Speaker 1: It's with Dan Ray. I'm telling you Boston.
Speaker 2: Radio, Welcome back, everybody. Thank you Dan Watkins. As we
Speaker 2: move into our eleventh and fourth hour here on a
Speaker 2: Monday night, a friend of mine calls Monday Moon to Day,
Speaker 2: m a n day and yeah, gotta wake up people.
Speaker 2: We got some good topics tonight. I'd like you to
Speaker 2: rise to the occasion. We have not talked about Ukraine
Speaker 2: here on Nightside in quite a while in any depth.
Speaker 2: And I must tell you that part of the reason
Speaker 2: we have not talked about it it has really not
Speaker 2: been in the news. The on again, off again peace
Speaker 2: talks have sputtered and stammered and stuttered and gone nowhere.
Speaker 2: It is clear to me that Putin is playing a
Speaker 2: delaying game here and hopes to deliver a knockout blow
Speaker 2: at some point to Lensky. The Ukrainian forces have withstood
Speaker 2: everything the Russians have been able to throw at them
Speaker 2: short of a nuclear weapon, and hopefully nobody engages in
Speaker 2: that sort of tom foolery. But I think we have
Speaker 2: reached a very critical point over the weekend. And if
Speaker 2: you haven't seen this story, I am I'm going to
Speaker 2: explain it. Ukraine did something incredibly creative this weekend, and
Speaker 2: it has been compared to today. I heard someone compare
Speaker 2: it to the work that Israel had done with the
Speaker 2: exploding cell phones and the exploding radios that had been
Speaker 2: distributed to Hesbela operatives in Lebanon earlier. I think it
Speaker 2: was either late last year or early this year. They
Speaker 2: were designed to explode literally in the pockets of the
Speaker 2: Hesbola operatives and a lot of the leadership, certainly the
Speaker 2: second level leadership of Hesbola was destroyed by a brilliant
Speaker 2: Israeli attack, which I mean, it's one of those things
Speaker 2: that the Israelis know how to outthink their opponents. Well,
Speaker 2: the Ukrainians over this weekend had put into place now
Speaker 2: paraphrasing or reading from a New York Times article, which
Speaker 2: will I think be in the Times tomorrow morning, Ukraine
Speaker 2: hit attack drones in Russia. These videos show what happened.
Speaker 2: I saw a couple of the videos tonight on the
Speaker 2: ABC World News Tonight. For months, even as forces were
Speaker 2: losing ground on the battlefield at home, the Ukrainian military
Speaker 2: was planning a stunning assault deep in Russian soil. So
Speaker 2: on Sunday, remotely operated Ukrainian drones emerged from hiding inside
Speaker 2: Russia and began wreaking damage. When they were done, at
Speaker 2: least a dozen military aircraft lay in ruins. I think
Speaker 2: it's more than a dozen. I think the Time is
Speaker 2: underestimating that. An analysis of videos and satellite imagery by
Speaker 2: The New York Times shows the extent of the attack.
Speaker 2: What apparently happened was these drones were hidden inside of trucks,
Speaker 2: and the trucks appeared to be transporting housing supplies, even
Speaker 2: modular homes, and somehow someway the top of the trucks
Speaker 2: recoiled and the drones were timed, and they were within
Speaker 2: a few miles of Russian airfields, and the drones took
Speaker 2: off and an a coordinated attack hit at least maybe
Speaker 2: as many as eight Russian airfields. Strategic bombers. These were
Speaker 2: bombers that could carry nuclear weapons. At at least two airfields.
Speaker 2: I don't know the names of these airfields, but I'll
Speaker 2: read them to you. Balaya and Olinya were destroyed. Total
Speaker 2: Ukraine targeted bases in five regions, according to Russia's Ministry
Speaker 2: of Defense, which set attacks on three other locations, had
Speaker 2: been repelled. Oh yes, if you believe that. Fine. The
Speaker 2: Times was not able to verify those claims, but satellite
Speaker 2: imagery captured on Monday, meaning today, indicates that no aircraft
Speaker 2: were damaged. As two of the other bases likely targeted,
Speaker 2: No clear satellite imagery footage existed for the third base,
Speaker 2: but a video shared widely online and verified by the
Speaker 2: Time shows a recording of the software responsible for piloting
Speaker 2: the Ukrainians drones as their assault on the Yaya Balaya
Speaker 2: airbase began. This online footage captures a dron's view as
Speaker 2: it flies over the base toward a line of at
Speaker 2: least six aircraft before descending toward a tupe Lev two
Speaker 2: ninety five bomber and I believe that's one of the
Speaker 2: bombers that can carry nuclear weapons. Shortly after, a video
Speaker 2: shows two drones launched from containers that appear to be
Speaker 2: disguised as modula holmes. Mounted on the back of a
Speaker 2: nearby semi truck. They fly towards smoke plumes billowing from
Speaker 2: the base less than four miles away. This is amazing video.
Speaker 2: They have literally rendered a body blow to the Russian
Speaker 2: military in the Russian Air Force, which is significant. Now
Speaker 2: I have no idea how Putin's going to respond. I
Speaker 2: have no idea if he's absolutely nuts. This is in
Speaker 2: the body there to assess the damage at the airbase,
Speaker 2: The Times obtained radar imagery from a space imaging company
Speaker 2: Umbra that can see through cloudy sky. Seven strategic bombers
Speaker 2: appear to be completely destroyed, very likely four Tu two
Speaker 2: m that means nothing to me, and three tu tu
Speaker 2: ninety five bombers also visible in the drone footage. A
Speaker 2: geo A Geospatial Analysts published the same findings previously that
Speaker 2: confirmed damage at Belaya signals a blow to Russia's campaign
Speaker 2: of using long range bombers to target Ukraine. So what
Speaker 2: Ukraine struck at with the very basis that we're bombing
Speaker 2: and sending missiles and ordinance into Ukraine. So I think
Speaker 2: it's great. And the Ukraine, which has turned out to
Speaker 2: be a feisty opponent for Russia, and Russia has now
Speaker 2: had to bring in Chinese strons, Iranian drones, North Korean
Speaker 2: foot soldiers. So here's my point. I'm getting excited. Here
Speaker 2: here's my point. It is now time for Donald Trump,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, has to walk a little bit of
Speaker 2: a fine line. We don't want nuclear war. But I
Speaker 2: think he has to say to Putin. He has to
Speaker 2: be a good cop in the back cop, and he
Speaker 2: has to say to Putin, look, you got to trust me.
Speaker 2: This is a losing battle for you. This is eventually
Speaker 2: going to potentially cause your people to rise up in
Speaker 2: your own leadership could be a jeopardy. You've picked a
Speaker 2: bad fight with Zelenski and his opponents. I know you
Speaker 2: don't like them. I know you would hope to accomplish
Speaker 2: much more. But at this time, it's time for you
Speaker 2: to cut your losses. And if you don't cut your losses,
Speaker 2: I'm going to impose greater and maybe even crippling sanctions.
Speaker 2: So I think Trump has to play both the good
Speaker 2: cop and the bad cop. He can't do good cop
Speaker 2: or bad cop only one. He has to play both.
Speaker 2: And he has to convince Putin. And if he's able
Speaker 2: to do this, okay, hats off to him. He has
Speaker 2: to convince Putin that it's in his country's best interest
Speaker 2: to end the war, to come to a ceasefire, to
Speaker 2: reassess where they are, what their losses are. In my opinion,
Speaker 2: whether Trump will do that, I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I do not believe that Trump is a toty of Putin's.
Speaker 2: I don't believe that. Okay, I know some of you
Speaker 2: believe that. If you believe that, that's fine. But now
Speaker 2: is the time for Trump to apply pressure on Putin,
Speaker 2: pressure economic pressure, which will force Putin to sit down
Speaker 2: and sue for an end to the hostilities. I think
Speaker 2: it is imperative, and I think this is the time
Speaker 2: that it has to happen. Now, you can tell me
Speaker 2: I'm crazy. I don't care. Six one, seven, two, five,
Speaker 2: four ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty.
Speaker 2: I would hope, I would hope that there are conversations
Speaker 2: underway even tonight, while these wounds are fresh in Russia,
Speaker 2: that it is time for them to end this war,
Speaker 2: just as they had to finally withdraw from Afghanistan. The
Speaker 2: analogy will not be lost on Putin. Join the conversation.
Speaker 2: Only one line open in six one, seven, nine, ten thirty.
Speaker 2: Let's get it going, coming back on Nightside right after
Speaker 2: this quick break.
Speaker 1: You're on night Side with Dan Ray on w BZ,
Speaker 1: Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's go to the phones. Gonna start it off
Speaker 2: with Bob and Rhode Island. Bob, you were next on Nightside. Welcome, Hello, Dan, Hey, Bob.
Speaker 3: Uh didn't Trump say that when he ran against Harris
Speaker 3: that he was going to stop the Ukraine War and
Speaker 3: Russia War the first day he was in office?
Speaker 2: Yep. Pop Political candidates, you correct. Political candidates say a
Speaker 2: lot of things. Absolutely, when Lyndon Johnson, I thought he
Speaker 2: was a little can I finish? Can I finish a comment? Bob?
Speaker 3: I meant, all right, I'm.
Speaker 2: Not going to cut you off. You don't have to apologize.
Speaker 2: I remember Lyndon Johnson in nineteen sixty four, when he's
Speaker 2: running against Barry Goldwater said I'm not going to send
Speaker 2: American boys to fight a war that the Vietnamese boys
Speaker 2: should be fighting. These politics, I should say a lot
Speaker 2: of stuff. You're right, you're right. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I thought it was a wheel of deal at Trump
Speaker 3: making the hot of a deal. I don't think the
Speaker 3: war stopped yet. It's June second, almost June third. Wonderd
Speaker 3: he get get in office January twentieth.
Speaker 2: That's when that's what he was inaugurated. You're correct on
Speaker 2: all of those points. It is indeed June second, it's
Speaker 2: almost January third. You're correct.
Speaker 3: So Trump is just as much of bs honist as anybody,
Speaker 3: maybe more so. Well, I hope, I hope the war ends. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I know, well.
Speaker 2: I do too, And let's see what happens. I was
Speaker 2: I wanted to to get people to focus on what
Speaker 2: Ukraine accomplished this weekend, which was brilliant. Did you get
Speaker 2: a chance to see any of that.
Speaker 3: No, I just heard you're talking about it. I'm happy
Speaker 3: about that. Yeah, I am sorry, he said, he said.
Speaker 3: Trump says, I'm I'm sorry about all them five thousand
Speaker 3: people the troops in a week or whatever it is
Speaker 3: that are being killed. Well, it's five months later, and
Speaker 3: as I read, I won't say it again, I don't
Speaker 3: see any results from Trump yet.
Speaker 2: Well, sometimes results take a little longer. Do I think
Speaker 2: that he thought that somehow, someway he had a magic formula.
Speaker 2: I don't know. That's what he said. The war has
Speaker 2: gone on. I never believed. I'm an intelligent person and
Speaker 2: you're an intelligent person. I don't think that unless literally
Speaker 2: he had putin in his back pocket that it's going
Speaker 2: to end. But that's okay. I want to see what
Speaker 2: happens in the next few weeks or maybe even in
Speaker 2: the next few days. I'd like to see some US
Speaker 2: put on Russia. Was time to put pressure on.
Speaker 3: Him, Yeah, whatever it takes. I don't get I don't
Speaker 3: like I don't like Putin. I do like Zuwinski, and
Speaker 3: I hope Zolenski and the Ukraine wins out in this deal.
Speaker 2: No. I mean, obviously Russia started the war. Russia Mount,
Speaker 2: you know, mass the troupe, There's no question about that.
Speaker 2: And it started not when Trump was in the White House.
Speaker 2: It started when Biden was in the White House.
Speaker 3: And here we go, here we go Biden again.
Speaker 2: No, but I'm just you would you cited some facts
Speaker 2: to me that I that I agreed with you on.
Speaker 2: You told me that Trump was inaugurated on January twentieth,
Speaker 2: which is true, and today's June second, it's almost June third,
Speaker 2: which is true. I just am giving you some context
Speaker 2: that the war started. Well, Biden, remember I remember talking
Speaker 2: about the Russian troops massing on the border, and Biden
Speaker 2: was saying I told him, don't don't. Well Putin didn't
Speaker 2: listen to him. That's all.
Speaker 3: That's all Trump any Is Trump any tougher than Biden?
Speaker 3: I don't think so. It was five months after get inaugurated.
Speaker 3: I don't see any results.
Speaker 2: How much landed Putin when Trump was in the White House?
Speaker 3: God, none, none, Okay, all right, So you think Putin's
Speaker 3: scared of Trump.
Speaker 2: I don't. I think Putin probably figures Trump is a
Speaker 2: is a wild card, and I think.
Speaker 3: The police wildcod all right, is a maniac.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, that's fine, that's a good analysis. I didn't
Speaker 2: realize you had a psychological degree. But Bob, your point
Speaker 2: of view is always welcome here. I hope you know that.
Speaker 2: And I appreciate you getting in.
Speaker 3: I appreciate it. I appreciate you to let me on
Speaker 3: the air. I appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Your gentlemen, thank you very much. Let me go to
Speaker 2: Jack and Newton. Hey, Jack, welcome back, Jack.
Speaker 4: Hi Jack Porter. Well, as you know, IM a Ukrainian
Speaker 4: woman and I have a I have a stepdaughter and
Speaker 4: the grandchildren, and yourkra This.
Speaker 2: Is personal to you. I know that. Jack, absolutely love
Speaker 2: to know. I thought what happened over the weekend was
Speaker 2: was really great.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know about that. I you can't, you
Speaker 4: can't cannot defeat Russia militarily. Russia could defeat. Ukraine could
Speaker 4: destroy Ukraine if it wants to with many, many bombs.
Speaker 4: So and I think it, you know, puts Ukraine, puts
Speaker 4: dominating in great danger. But you pointed out a lot
Speaker 4: of things that could be done. Whether it will be done,
Speaker 4: But the biggest thing is when you have two people
Speaker 4: that have called zero some game. You know, Ukraine doesn't
Speaker 4: want to give up Crimea and the NMS and Russia
Speaker 4: wants it so.
Speaker 2: Well Russia, Russia already has Crimea, they've had Crimea.
Speaker 4: Ukraine. But I just think you're not When you have
Speaker 4: that kind of conflict with one wanting this and the
Speaker 4: other one wanting that, and there's no means to discuss
Speaker 4: anything in between, then you know you'll have continual war.
Speaker 4: And I think Trump recognizes that and he'll probably walk
Speaker 4: away because he doesn't always listening to him. So I
Speaker 4: don't know. I don't know if there's a solution.
Speaker 2: I'm not convinced it's a solution either. But I'll tell
Speaker 2: you this, in my opinion, Ukraine did the right thing
Speaker 2: this weekend. They took out some very significant parts of
Speaker 2: the Russian Air Force and it's it was good for
Speaker 2: Ukraine and it was good for the world.
Speaker 4: Now I would disagree. You can't destroy Russia. The south
Speaker 4: military powers in the world. You know, they destroy a
Speaker 4: few plays. If Russia wants to drop the bounds and
Speaker 4: destroy you think it could do so. It could have happened.
Speaker 4: So and that's what I really worry about. I worry
Speaker 4: about the new to your right, Well, here's the thing, if.
Speaker 2: Jack, Jack, I do anything, I don't. I have kids,
Speaker 2: I have grand kids. I worry about the nuclear situation
Speaker 2: as well. But but but my question to you is
Speaker 2: what is the alternative? Is the alternative to watch Russia
Speaker 2: just pound this this small country into into oblivion? Is
Speaker 2: that the answer?
Speaker 4: No, No, that they're not pounding into either into oblivion.
Speaker 4: Now there is there's no military solution to this thing.
Speaker 4: It has to be diplomatic.
Speaker 2: But show there's a military solution. Russia could go in
Speaker 2: and and drop nuclear weapons and they could wipe out.
Speaker 4: The Ukraine at the end of the world. Then okay.
Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is, and I think that I
Speaker 2: think that I don't think even Putin is nuts enough
Speaker 2: to do that.
Speaker 4: I don't think that up as you say, that's the
Speaker 4: military I don't think you know, there's no military solution.
Speaker 4: There's got to be a diplomatic solution. But it takes
Speaker 4: two people to give in. And if you decide it's
Speaker 4: not going to give in, then you have just you know,
Speaker 4: it's like Iraq, you know, just or Syria just goes
Speaker 4: on and I'll even Vietnam. It just keeps going on
Speaker 4: and on and on until you totally get exhausted, and
Speaker 4: then who knows, you know, maybe just the the cessation
Speaker 4: of war is the solution. You know, a cold work.
Speaker 2: Well wait, wait a second. We had we had World
Speaker 2: War two and you know, the United States, with some
Speaker 2: help from Russia, took took on Germany. And you know
Speaker 2: what are we supposed to do? Sit back and say, oh,
Speaker 2: let's let you know, there comes a point in time
Speaker 2: where a great power has to stand up, and I
Speaker 2: think that Donald Trump. This is a moment in time
Speaker 2: where Trump has to show his metal and Trump has
Speaker 2: to sit down and if necessary, meet with putin face
Speaker 2: to face and say, look, you've had three and a
Speaker 2: half years, this is not working out the way you
Speaker 2: wanted it. It's time to stop.
Speaker 4: And if you don't stop, if you don't say no,
Speaker 4: I don't want to stop, Okay, then we.
Speaker 2: Have some economic sanctions that are going to cripple your economy.
Speaker 2: And we do have economic.
Speaker 4: Sanctions, he'll have Shia, there's nothing. That's why Trump is
Speaker 4: going to walk away though with this, because he sees
Speaker 4: it's kind of like a realistic I don't think.
Speaker 2: I don't think you can afford to walk away from this. Jack.
Speaker 4: In my opinion, he's walking away on the life of
Speaker 4: what is he doing. He doesn't have a solution because
Speaker 4: nobody's listening. He's like, he's a negotiator. If neither side
Speaker 4: wants to give in nothing to negotiat.
Speaker 2: Well, we'll see, Jack, let's see what let's see let's
Speaker 2: talk six months from now, and let's read.
Speaker 4: So we're talking about my children, you know, my grandchildren.
Speaker 4: You know, human liars are at stake there.
Speaker 2: Do you have children and grandchildren over there?
Speaker 4: I have children. I have a step daughter in Ukraine.
Speaker 2: In Ukraine. Well, you should be praying every night for
Speaker 2: Donald Trump to be able to convince Putin to stop this. Jack,
Speaker 2: I gotta run, Thank.
Speaker 4: You, mom.
Speaker 2: All right, thank you, my friend. We'll take a quick break.
Speaker 2: You know, all we're doing is we're talking here.
Speaker 5: Folks.
Speaker 2: Don't take it personal. Okay, don't take it personally. The
Speaker 2: only line that's open right now is six one seven, nine, three,
Speaker 2: one ten thirty. We're going to get everybody in. And
Speaker 2: this is a I think it's a moment in time.
Speaker 2: It's funny when wed when this first started, I was
Speaker 2: very disappointed in my audience. They didn't seem to understand
Speaker 2: what's at stake.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 2: And I think that this is a moment in time
Speaker 2: where where a great superpower, the United States, may be
Speaker 2: able to convince Putin to do the right thing. Because
Speaker 2: even though Putin is probably a little nuts himself, I
Speaker 2: think he might actually be a little fearful of Trump,
Speaker 2: which might at the end of the day be a
Speaker 2: good thing. We'll be back at Nightside. Feel free. The
Speaker 2: only line six one seven, nine three, one ten thirty.
Speaker 2: Everybody's getting in tonight. Whatever your point of view.
Speaker 1: You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's
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Speaker 2: Kay, we're talking about Ukraine Russia. I think that this
Speaker 2: counter attack by Ukraine might lead to peace. It's not
Speaker 2: a piece that Putin wants, but it's a piece that
Speaker 2: he might have to accept. In my opinion. You can
Speaker 2: agree or disagree. Most of the callers so far disagree,
Speaker 2: which is fine. We got two open lines at six, one, seven, nine, three, one,
Speaker 2: ten thirty. If you want to get in. Let me
Speaker 2: go to Will and Long Island. Hey, Will, welcome, How are.
Speaker 6: You, Hey, Dan? How are you?
Speaker 4: So?
Speaker 6: It certainly exploited some abilities. It also proved that you
Speaker 6: could have this asymmetrical type of warfare, that is smaller
Speaker 6: military could exploit.
Speaker 2: Oh we just lost Will. Will you got a call back.
Speaker 2: We didn't cut you off. But that's the shortest phone
Speaker 2: call I've ever had from Will. Will will get you
Speaker 2: back if you'd like, Cohen. Let's go to that. We
Speaker 2: did not cut you off. Will. I was just listening
Speaker 2: when he calls back, let me know, Rob, Will put
Speaker 2: him back up, and I go to Patrick and Charlestown.
Speaker 2: Patrick next on nightside.
Speaker 7: Welcome, Hey, how you doing.
Speaker 2: I'm doing fine? So far? Everybody has very well. Everybody's
Speaker 2: kind of disagreed with me so far. I didn't hear
Speaker 2: enough from Will to know what his position was. Go
Speaker 2: right ahead, Patrick, listen.
Speaker 7: So, I frankly don't care what the President of Ukraine
Speaker 7: does for his country. What I care about is us
Speaker 7: saying out of it, and what this guy did today
Speaker 7: was an escalation and the backdrop of ongoing efforts to
Speaker 7: settle this war. This was an effort by the president
Speaker 7: of the Ukraine to make sure that he could cripple
Speaker 7: any negotiations to resolve this thing peaceably. I think that
Speaker 7: his position in his survival in that position of presidency,
Speaker 7: I think is is aided by the continuance of the war.
Speaker 7: And I don't think that we should look upon this
Speaker 7: as something that is beneficial to the United States, and
Speaker 7: that if if we're going to support that country at all,
Speaker 7: they need to cooperate with us and on our national
Speaker 7: interest to seeing a peaceable resolution, not an escalation which
Speaker 7: could potentially lead to World War three.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I I take your points. Let me let
Speaker 2: me count a couple of them, and that is this
Speaker 2: whenever Russia loses a few supersonic bombers, and that's a
Speaker 2: good day for the United States in my opinion. And
Speaker 2: I'm not being a wise guy when I say that
Speaker 2: it would be interesting, interesting to see how Trump, how
Speaker 2: President Trump handles this. I think now is the time
Speaker 2: to put some pressure on Putin to end this. And
Speaker 2: I think that Donald Trump has the ability to play
Speaker 2: both good cop, bad cop, as they said at the
Speaker 2: beginning of the hour, and basically stay to putin. Look,
Speaker 2: I'm giving you the best advice I can give you.
Speaker 2: This is not worth it. You've got too much at stake.
Speaker 2: This could go this could turn around in backfire and
Speaker 2: really hurt you.
Speaker 7: Now and I actulutely agree with you. However, I think
Speaker 7: that only tells half of the story. I think at
Speaker 7: the same time, he should go to this moron running
Speaker 7: a Ukraine, this dictator, effectively tell him that that's the
Speaker 7: end of the spigot. If you do anything without our
Speaker 7: permission ever again, you'll never see another dollar of American aid.
Speaker 2: How do you know how you know we didn't have
Speaker 2: he didn't have our permission.
Speaker 7: I don't know that. I don't I don't know what.
Speaker 2: We're playing with this. I mean again, I think that Look,
Speaker 2: I don't think the continuation of this is in anyone's
Speaker 2: interest at this point.
Speaker 7: How about our interests? All about the United States? What's
Speaker 7: what's I think.
Speaker 2: Anything that we get Russia helps us. I think that
Speaker 2: that that that I'm more worried about Russia than I
Speaker 2: am of China. I know China is an economic power,
Speaker 2: is a big concern, but in terms of a military power,
Speaker 2: I'm concerned about Russia because of this.
Speaker 7: Always love that I always love that police song, uh,
Speaker 7: staying police.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 7: I hope the Russians love their children too, you know.
Speaker 7: And I've always yeah, I've always felt my entire life
Speaker 7: like we've we've created this caricature of the Russians that
Speaker 7: they're there's horrible people. Every Russian person I've ever met
Speaker 7: has been awesome. They've been hardworking, brilliant people, lots of scientists,
Speaker 7: lots of They're amazing people. Man, Like, what were you.
Speaker 2: I'm not talking about the people. I'm talking about the lead.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about the polit bureau.
Speaker 7: I understand now this has been going on for a
Speaker 7: long time, and you know, it's funny that people criticize
Speaker 7: Trump for not being able to resolve this war when
Speaker 7: you know, in twenty fourteen, under the Obama administration, the
Speaker 7: CIA fostered the revolution that overthrew an elected president of
Speaker 7: Ukraine who was more thought of as being so more
Speaker 7: friendly to Russia, who at least out Sevastopol's naval base
Speaker 7: to the Russian fleet and so on. The CIA overthrew
Speaker 7: d were on the ground in the Ukraine, fostering revolution
Speaker 7: that led to the overthrow the democratically elected present.
Speaker 2: Let me just say, Patrick, you're not wrong there. I'm
Speaker 2: you're absolutely I believe from what I've read that you're
Speaker 2: absolutely correct. But it is not twenty fourteen anymore. And
Speaker 2: we got to deal with the cards that are on
Speaker 2: the table.
Speaker 7: How do we get this thing closed up?
Speaker 5: Dan?
Speaker 2: I just curiosity at eleven when I opened up all
Speaker 2: I wasn't basically said, I think this is an opportunity
Speaker 2: for Donald Trump to play good cop bad cop cops.
Speaker 2: Simultaneously sit down with Putin, get him on the phone,
Speaker 2: sit down, have a face to face meeting, and say, look,
Speaker 2: you know you were You were running the risk of
Speaker 2: losing control of this situation. And this has gone on
Speaker 2: way too long. You've paid too big a price. Now
Speaker 2: is the time to settle it.
Speaker 7: Here's the thing.
Speaker 2: And he could say that. He could say that Putin,
Speaker 2: you asked me how to settle it. He could say
Speaker 2: to Putin, looked, I have the ability to put some
Speaker 2: pressure on Zolynsky that maybe you don't have diplomatically, And
Speaker 2: if you're willing to work with me and be honest,
Speaker 2: I can bring I can bring Zelinsky to heal, and
Speaker 2: that might be the way to solve it, in my opinion.
Speaker 7: And I think the one thing I'd like to add
Speaker 7: to that is You've known a lot of tough, nasty
Speaker 7: guys in your life, and when one of them get
Speaker 7: knocked down Dan, talking to them and telling them, hey,
Speaker 7: you shouldn't retaliate is a difficult thing to do. Their
Speaker 7: pride is involved, yes, and so in this in this situation,
Speaker 7: I think what he has to do is something like
Speaker 7: what he did with that in Yahoo, and he's going
Speaker 7: to have to say, hey, listen, hold off from retaliating
Speaker 7: like you're going to. They're going to retaliate in some
Speaker 7: amazing way within the next few days that you're not
Speaker 7: even gonna believe, and we're going to see an escalation
Speaker 7: that's gonna spend this out of control.
Speaker 2: Hope you I hope you're wrong.
Speaker 7: You have to take care of his wounded ego, Dan,
Speaker 7: and we have to. He's not gonna back down out
Speaker 7: of fear. We need to try to.
Speaker 2: I agree with that. I'm agreeing with that. I'm not
Speaker 2: saying he's gonna He's got to go to He's got
Speaker 2: to basically play the role of being a friend and
Speaker 2: also an analyst. That's all I'm trying to say. He's
Speaker 2: he's not, he's got he has a delegate, uh needle
Speaker 2: to thread here, and I hope you can do it.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about Trump not putin. All right, gotta run, Patrick,
Speaker 2: Thank you much.
Speaker 3: Thanks, Dan?
Speaker 2: Do you soon? All right? Let me keep rolling here.
Speaker 2: I guess we're not gonna get my pell Will from
Speaker 2: Long Island back, but that's okay. Let me go to
Speaker 2: Rick in Dover, New Hampshire. Rick love to know what
Speaker 2: you're thinking about this, and where are the ladies on
Speaker 2: this one? This is only got Irene coming up. That's good. Hey, Rick, welcome, Hey,
Speaker 2: we're hi. Dan.
Speaker 8: I don't know. I think the KGV spymaster is playing chess.
Speaker 6: Well.
Speaker 8: Trump can't even set up the checkerboard. I mean, nobody
Speaker 8: respects this guy. He's not Henry Kissinger, the guy had
Speaker 8: to get a male order bride from Russia. Come on, man,
Speaker 8: nobody respects him.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think Rick, you're engaging in some uh some
Speaker 2: rhetoric that I don't think Millennia is a male order
Speaker 2: bride in the classic sense of a male order bride.
Speaker 2: But again, I just think that's beneath you. If you
Speaker 2: want to make that guy.
Speaker 8: The guy's a failed, washed up businessman, a game show host.
Speaker 2: Right, he's also and he's also the president, and he's
Speaker 2: also he's also the president of the United States who
Speaker 2: was elected in twenty sixteen, left in disgrace and was
Speaker 2: able to resurrect himself. Kill that, Rob, to kill that, please?
Speaker 2: You know you use your big words next time, Rick, Okay,
Speaker 2: thanks very much. I don't need that. I hope you
Speaker 2: got that, Rob. I don't want to. I don't want
Speaker 2: an f bomb out in the air on my Sure,
Speaker 2: we'll take a break, have another drink, Rick, and call
Speaker 2: us back next week. We'll take a quick break here
Speaker 2: on Nightside. Irene is going to be next, and I know,
Speaker 2: I Reen, what's that. I'm gonna get to Will after Irene.
Speaker 2: Irene is next, and then we get to Will. Don't worry.
Speaker 2: We're coming back on night.
Speaker 1: Side, Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio car.
Speaker 2: Let's get a roll in this promised Irene in Rhode Island. Hey, Irene,
Speaker 2: welcome next on Nightside.
Speaker 9: Hi, Hi, taking my call, Will Ray?
Speaker 2: Dan, you call me Dan.
Speaker 9: It's okay, I'm a ninety nine year old woman.
Speaker 10: That is.
Speaker 9: Or foul politics for a long long time. And I
Speaker 9: can remember years ago reading Patrick Patrick bucannons otcles and
Speaker 9: he said at that time that pouted and wanted a
Speaker 9: warm water port for his navy, and he would go
Speaker 9: after the Black Sea so he could have his warm
Speaker 9: water port in the Black Sea. And that, wow, the
Speaker 9: Black Sea is shallow.
Speaker 2: Well, it must be. It must be deep enough if
Speaker 2: it's a sea. I read. I don't know, Hey, I read.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you. I got to ask you this.
Speaker 2: When do you celebrate the century mark?
Speaker 9: December twenty seventh, nineteen twenty five.
Speaker 2: Wow, December twenty seventh, Irene, I want to gonna write
Speaker 2: this down, and I hope you would you call us
Speaker 2: back that week so week and wish you a really
Speaker 2: happy birthday. I really would like to do that.
Speaker 11: If you don't mind, well I will.
Speaker 9: I will.
Speaker 2: Have you called me before, because I don't remember ever
Speaker 2: having spoken with you.
Speaker 9: No, but I've been a faithful listener and I don't
Speaker 9: fight them.
Speaker 2: First time call a gets a big round of applause.
Speaker 2: You go right ahead, thanks, Irene.
Speaker 9: Well, I'm disappointed when I hear people criticizing Trump. That
Speaker 9: man eMate it to our assassination attempts. He's a businessman,
Speaker 9: and America's business is business. That's why.
Speaker 2: That's a great saying. And I forget who said that,
Speaker 2: but that is so true, so.
Speaker 9: True, totly that that's a business man. He's running this
Speaker 9: country like a business, which should be not some somebody's hobby.
Speaker 2: All Right, Ireen, I'm gonna let you go because I
Speaker 2: got full lines. But I hope to hear from you
Speaker 2: often between now and next December, and I want to
Speaker 2: be able to wish you personally happy birthday on December
Speaker 2: twenty seventh.
Speaker 6: Okay, thanks, thank you, Dan, Thanks Ireen.
Speaker 2: We'll talk again, thanks so much.
Speaker 9: All right here, happy, okay, all.
Speaker 2: Right, will will normally I gave you a whole bunch
Speaker 2: of time, but I got people lined up behind you.
Speaker 2: But I'm bumping me up here, buddy, give it to
Speaker 2: me quick.
Speaker 6: I love Irene, number one, number two. You're much more
Speaker 6: insightful than you know Bob and Rick over there before.
Speaker 6: But I will say this this, obviously the exploited some
Speaker 6: vulnerabilities in Russia right, and certainly exposed some of the
Speaker 6: asymmetrical warfare that can be done by a smaller military
Speaker 6: versus a much larger one. Right. But you know, when
Speaker 6: I first spoke to you about this a long time ago,
Speaker 6: I said, I don't think they'll go win, but if
Speaker 6: they do, it a last forever, and they won't win
Speaker 6: because number one, they are a regional power at best.
Speaker 6: Number two, they've never won anything ever world War two.
Speaker 6: Even when they took one side of Berlin, they lost
Speaker 6: nine million soldiers. They were literally the worst fighting force
Speaker 6: out there. They couldn't take Afghanistan. They can't even take this.
Speaker 6: It's on their doorstep. It's literally on their doorstep.
Speaker 2: It's all we couldn't.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but that's no.
Speaker 1: We did.
Speaker 6: We copied Afghanistan and we gave it over to and elected.
Speaker 6: We gave it back, but we finished Afghanistan. We took Iraq,
Speaker 6: and we were trying to hold places that were thousands
Speaker 6: of miles away. This is literally on their front steps
Speaker 6: and they can't do anything. And if they were on
Speaker 6: are with the Ukrainian soldiers, they wouldn't be asking North
Speaker 6: Koreans that know nothing about the area to come over
Speaker 6: there and fight with them.
Speaker 2: All right, thanks, I'm gonna let you go. Thank you much.
Speaker 2: What happened? Your phone just drop out on us before.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I no, no, I was still on hold with
Speaker 6: you guys, So I think there was a cross up
Speaker 6: on the line. I thought I was talking to you,
Speaker 6: and I thought I made some great points, but I.
Speaker 2: Guess thanks good night. All right, let me get real quickly,
Speaker 2: gonna try to get three in here. It's gonna be tough.
Speaker 2: Frank in Boston, Frank next on nightside.
Speaker 5: Go ahead, whoa bill. That was some great stuff. But
Speaker 5: I think that Ukraine had did some double o seven
Speaker 5: stuff here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a great move.
Speaker 5: And yeah, and also I don't think this thing is
Speaker 5: gonna get resolved until the Europeans step up, because one
Speaker 5: thing that all this situation has done the last few
Speaker 5: days is just like the so so said about America
Speaker 5: in World War Two, we have awoken a sleeping giant.
Speaker 5: Europe is gonna end up dominating this world. And unless
Speaker 5: we get you, unless we have a whole bunch of
Speaker 5: nations that get together, we're gonna be weak. The rest
Speaker 5: of the world is gonna be weak compared to Europe.
Speaker 5: America and Canada and Mexico should become one union, which
Speaker 5: is one thing that I agree with Trump. But like
Speaker 5: I said, this we have a woke on a sleeping giant.
Speaker 5: And the only way this is gonna get resolved is
Speaker 5: that Europe steps up and starts saying screw you Trump.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, fair enough, Frank, I got you in.
Speaker 2: I got two more. We'll talk again. Thank you for you, gentlemen,
Speaker 2: Thank you, appreciate. Stu Is in Pennsylvania. Stew I only
Speaker 2: got about a minute for you. I want to get
Speaker 2: you and I want to get John in from Boston.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, ste.
Speaker 10: How you knowing the night?
Speaker 2: Dan put your take on this?
Speaker 10: Well, uh boy, that older lady, God, it's amazing.
Speaker 2: And then that's so great. She was the sharpest, sharpest
Speaker 2: tool in the draw tonight.
Speaker 10: Let me tell you, well, she had a little bit
Speaker 10: more time, she would have been really on the mark.
Speaker 10: And she's It's just thank god the elderly are still
Speaker 10: thinking it and running on twelve olders, because I see
Speaker 10: people a third of her age and they must have
Speaker 10: just stepped out of the bar. Anyway, the good movie
Speaker 10: to look at is Thirteen Days.
Speaker 2: This is the real deal with sixty two missile crisis.
Speaker 2: I'm familiar with it. Yep.
Speaker 10: Okay, well, I've watched that movie. I can't tell you
Speaker 10: how many times because I study it and every sixty just.
Speaker 2: You know what, I'm sure you know. October sixteenth, nineteen
Speaker 2: sixty two to October twenty ninth.
Speaker 10: Well, Kennedy, the Kennedy's and O'Donnell stopped the military industrial
Speaker 10: complex from getting US into another war that would have
Speaker 10: finished us. And here's the quote from Kennedy where he says,
Speaker 10: we have to put us in to war before end
Speaker 10: war puts an end to us. And what I see
Speaker 10: are globalists that are still out to covet other geographies,
Speaker 10: other people's lands, and they'll do anything to do it.
Speaker 10: We got to put a stop to these globalists and
Speaker 10: these people that are just dying to create another war.
Speaker 2: Well, I think Trump is your guy.
Speaker 10: That's that. Diplomatic is a way to go. We don't
Speaker 10: need wars, We don't need these globalists trying to control.
Speaker 11: Do.
Speaker 2: I gave you a minute and a half, and I
Speaker 2: got to give John thirty seconds. Okay, man, we'll talk again.
Speaker 10: Thanks guy, keep.
Speaker 2: Calling good night. I saved literally thirty seconds for you. John.
Speaker 11: Go okay, I'm gonna probably be real breathe. A couple
Speaker 11: of months ago, The New York Times did a great
Speaker 11: story on how the United States is helping Ukraine, but
Speaker 11: I made it called up and your chief edits to
Speaker 11: please tell us why Why is the United States helping
Speaker 11: Ukraine on a NATO country and they've given them billions
Speaker 11: of dollars? And who helped Ukraine this weekend pulled us off?
Speaker 11: So it's the war between.
Speaker 5: The United States, I Russia and of the same.
Speaker 11: You have a lot of goodies over in Ukraine, and
Speaker 11: the United States doesn't want rush to have them. So
Speaker 11: please call us, get some one in your show, tell
Speaker 11: us why the United States is helping Ukraine?
Speaker 2: All right, Thanks John, appreciate your call.
Speaker 1: Car I don't know why.
Speaker 2: I'll give you much more time, but I'm done. I'm
Speaker 2: done for the night. Thanks John, have a great night.
Speaker 2: Done for the night. Want to thank Rob, want to
Speaker 2: thank Marita. Want to thank all the callers and all
Speaker 2: the listeners. All dogs, all cats, all pets go to heaven.
Speaker 2: That's Mi pell Charlie ray Is, who passed fifteen years ago.
Speaker 2: That's where all your pets are who passed. They loved
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