WEBVTT 1 00:00:07.320 --> 00:00:13.640 Hello, Hello, Hey, Hey, that's my job. Hello, hey stealing? 2 00:00:15.800 --> 00:00:20.039 Who's a pervert? We're pointing fingers right here? All right, 3 00:00:20.120 --> 00:00:23.480 we all are. We're doing lacan again. The last time 4 00:00:23.519 --> 00:00:28.320 we were together it was lacan psychosis, and this is 5 00:00:28.359 --> 00:00:30.960 the other What do you call it abnormal? 6 00:00:31.160 --> 00:00:35.000 Without being Yeah, we could say that the reality it's 7 00:00:35.000 --> 00:00:37.399 not it's not it's probably not even I mean it's 8 00:00:37.479 --> 00:00:40.320 I would say I would guess that neurotics are not 9 00:00:40.359 --> 00:00:42.600 just a plurality, but they're probably the majority. 10 00:00:42.719 --> 00:00:45.399 Maybe I'm wrong, but I would imagine neurotics or the majority. 11 00:00:45.799 --> 00:00:49.600 To be a neurotic means you go through two steps. 12 00:00:50.079 --> 00:00:54.000 To be a psychotic means you don't come through steps, 13 00:00:54.320 --> 00:00:58.479 and the pervert goes through one step, stuck in the middle. 14 00:00:58.960 --> 00:01:01.399 Psychotics are a little bit alien. They're kind of like 15 00:01:01.719 --> 00:01:04.400 frightening because you don't really know what's going on there. 16 00:01:04.400 --> 00:01:07.599 But perverts are kind of fun. I feel like, I 17 00:01:07.640 --> 00:01:10.879 don't know that I know any Lacinian perverts, but this 18 00:01:10.959 --> 00:01:12.640 seems like they're kind of fun. 19 00:01:12.680 --> 00:01:14.400 People had to tell I feel like to know, maybe 20 00:01:14.400 --> 00:01:16.879 you'd have to know about I mean, I think there 21 00:01:16.879 --> 00:01:19.599 are obviously other sons, but I mean, if you know it, 22 00:01:19.640 --> 00:01:21.200 Like if you have a good friend and you know 23 00:01:21.239 --> 00:01:23.959 their sex lives in detail, maybe that would be a hint. 24 00:01:24.200 --> 00:01:27.319 I mean, at least for Freud, it's they're obvious things 25 00:01:27.359 --> 00:01:32.239 like fetishism, right, like people having foot fetishes or fetishes 26 00:01:32.280 --> 00:01:34.079 for berries and things. 27 00:01:34.560 --> 00:01:37.599 But although like sadomasochistic, like I think you can still 28 00:01:37.599 --> 00:01:39.920 be neurotic and be into those things. Also, that's the 29 00:01:39.920 --> 00:01:40.560 other thing. 30 00:01:40.719 --> 00:01:44.040 Yeah, you can do you can do perverted things while 31 00:01:44.079 --> 00:01:47.719 being neurotic. This is the structure and go again. The 32 00:01:47.760 --> 00:01:50.200 thing you're not supposed to do with psychoanalysis is point 33 00:01:50.239 --> 00:01:53.319 at people and say, oh, this guy's a pervert for sure, So. 34 00:01:53.319 --> 00:01:54.719 We're going to do that. But we are going to 35 00:01:54.719 --> 00:01:55.480 do that. 36 00:01:54.959 --> 00:01:58.400 I was not going to say, well, Steven Miller is 37 00:01:58.519 --> 00:01:59.519 for sure a pervert. 38 00:02:00.079 --> 00:02:01.560 Well, I mean I think we're gonna we're gonna do 39 00:02:01.599 --> 00:02:03.959 it by saying we're not doing it, being like, well, 40 00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:05.439 you know, we're not supposed to do this, but like, 41 00:02:05.519 --> 00:02:08.240 here's the here's maybe the evidence. At least I have, 42 00:02:08.360 --> 00:02:09.599 like a kid, like I have a bit of a 43 00:02:09.960 --> 00:02:11.879 case to make for like Trump, But we can do 44 00:02:11.919 --> 00:02:12.319 that later. 45 00:02:13.199 --> 00:02:14.719 There's the sense in which we're all I. 46 00:02:14.719 --> 00:02:16.400 Mean, I have a case. I know what the case is. 47 00:02:16.439 --> 00:02:18.280 I can give it. I can give an account for it. 48 00:02:18.400 --> 00:02:21.000 I don't actually necessarily think he is, but I can. 49 00:02:21.039 --> 00:02:23.520 I can certainly. I think I can give a like 50 00:02:23.560 --> 00:02:26.639 an account of why people could read him that way. 51 00:02:26.919 --> 00:02:29.080 Yeah, like the sexy things with Trump, or like the 52 00:02:29.159 --> 00:02:32.280 grab him by the pussy thing and the stormy Daniels thing, 53 00:02:32.400 --> 00:02:34.800 like there's not and and now the all the Epstein 54 00:02:34.960 --> 00:02:36.240 stuff too, like so. 55 00:02:36.240 --> 00:02:39.039 Let's save that though. Yeah, but we should get that, 56 00:02:39.080 --> 00:02:40.240 we should get the different. 57 00:02:39.919 --> 00:02:44.240 Evidence the armchair psycho analyze with, well it's more than that. 58 00:02:44.360 --> 00:02:48.319 Yeah, yeah, that's that's the normal. We should make this distinction. Yes, 59 00:02:48.840 --> 00:02:54.960 the normal distinction of being a pervert means weird sex stuff. Yeah, 60 00:02:55.000 --> 00:02:59.280 and this includes weird sex stuff, but it doesn't necessarily 61 00:03:00.039 --> 00:03:03.319 include where it's sex. This is a symbolic arrangement to 62 00:03:03.400 --> 00:03:05.680 be a proper qui structural. 63 00:03:07.439 --> 00:03:10.840 I saw that Freud divides it. Freud's always so simple 64 00:03:10.919 --> 00:03:14.080 compared to Lacana, Like he divides it into there's like 65 00:03:14.120 --> 00:03:19.039 your sexual object, like what you the object of sexual desire, 66 00:03:19.120 --> 00:03:22.319 and then there's the sexual aim, so like the method 67 00:03:22.840 --> 00:03:26.719 about which you go to obtain gratification, and both of 68 00:03:26.759 --> 00:03:30.759 those can be I guess like those can diverge from 69 00:03:30.800 --> 00:03:33.800 the norm that's the language Freud would use, and they 70 00:03:33.800 --> 00:03:36.479 can also like not be aimed at the whole person. 71 00:03:36.599 --> 00:03:39.400 So like a sexual object could be like a part 72 00:03:39.599 --> 00:03:41.680 like a and and it could also be like a 73 00:03:41.840 --> 00:03:46.280 non human thing like buttons for example, or it could 74 00:03:46.319 --> 00:03:49.240 be a part of a person like feet or something 75 00:03:49.319 --> 00:03:52.199 like that too, So you have like the fetish for 76 00:03:52.639 --> 00:03:55.120 parts of people and like, yeah, so those would be 77 00:03:55.120 --> 00:03:58.919 sexual objects. And then I don't know about sexual aims. 78 00:03:58.960 --> 00:04:02.080 I guess that could be more are associated with sadism 79 00:04:02.120 --> 00:04:05.080 and masochism, because that's like you get the sexual pleasure 80 00:04:05.120 --> 00:04:09.560 from non sexual acts, acts that aren't focused on like 81 00:04:09.599 --> 00:04:10.960 the genitals and things. 82 00:04:11.439 --> 00:04:15.680 Yeah, there's the when you when you metaphorize perverts, it 83 00:04:15.680 --> 00:04:17.439 can be a lot of things. I was doing some 84 00:04:17.519 --> 00:04:21.040 back research for this on what like people say about perversion, 85 00:04:21.600 --> 00:04:25.399 and a lot go with what jik says. And I'm 86 00:04:25.439 --> 00:04:29.199 gonna I'm not I'm not the biggest Lacan guy that 87 00:04:29.240 --> 00:04:31.519 there ever was, but I'm gonna say I'm pretty sure 88 00:04:31.519 --> 00:04:36.639 that Jijak spreading misinformation on perverts, not least making those 89 00:04:36.680 --> 00:04:39.519 movies called perverts Guide. There's nothing to do. Yeah, there's 90 00:04:39.519 --> 00:04:42.759 nothing to do with Lacanian perversion that has to do 91 00:04:43.120 --> 00:04:45.000 with those I'm not sure why they're called that. 92 00:04:45.639 --> 00:04:48.519 Another thing that was wondering about that, Yeah, yeah, the 93 00:04:48.560 --> 00:04:49.639 perverts guide thing. 94 00:04:49.759 --> 00:04:52.279 Yeah, he was. He was talking about terrorism and there's 95 00:04:52.319 --> 00:04:56.720 like a Dutch filmmaker that got shot, not are stabbed. 96 00:04:57.720 --> 00:04:59.240 You remember it, we were like young. It was a 97 00:04:59.240 --> 00:04:59.839 long time ago. 98 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:00.399 Yeah. 99 00:05:01.879 --> 00:05:04.759 He commented on this and said, like there's a you 100 00:05:04.759 --> 00:05:07.120 could a terrorist has a perverted or may have a 101 00:05:07.160 --> 00:05:12.959 perverted structure because they become in their mind the instrument 102 00:05:13.480 --> 00:05:18.480 of the law like God or i'llah, whatever you're doing. Now, 103 00:05:18.480 --> 00:05:23.480 this this doesn't really actually fit because if you're if 104 00:05:23.480 --> 00:05:26.199 you're like if you're a religious nut, if you are 105 00:05:26.240 --> 00:05:29.680 a zealot willing to go out and commit an act 106 00:05:29.720 --> 00:05:33.439 of public violence, that's not actually being an object in 107 00:05:33.480 --> 00:05:36.360 this in this algebra, because you're going out and taking 108 00:05:36.399 --> 00:05:42.079 agency on yourself. Because the pervert being an object is 109 00:05:42.079 --> 00:05:44.800 not like I'm going to go I'm not going to 110 00:05:44.920 --> 00:05:46.959 go kill someone for God. It's more like I'm gonna 111 00:05:46.959 --> 00:05:51.639 be God's dildo, you know, like actually actually an object. 112 00:05:51.759 --> 00:05:54.480 But we're going to get into this structure. Maybe we 113 00:05:54.560 --> 00:05:56.839 can figure out what this means. Maybe we can get 114 00:05:56.839 --> 00:06:01.519 into some case studies because those are why. But yeah, 115 00:06:01.560 --> 00:06:03.000 what do you think we should start with here? 116 00:06:03.240 --> 00:06:06.040 We should probably describe the structure of the underlying structure 117 00:06:06.360 --> 00:06:09.279 and formation of the pervert and then kind of talk 118 00:06:09.319 --> 00:06:11.240 about how it applies, because I think if we start 119 00:06:11.319 --> 00:06:14.319 I think it can be very confusing if we start 120 00:06:14.360 --> 00:06:17.240 saying like, oh, this fetish or this whatever, because it's 121 00:06:17.240 --> 00:06:20.040 like unless you understand the underlying structure, Because like I 122 00:06:20.040 --> 00:06:23.560 said before, you can definitely be a neurotic and have 123 00:06:23.720 --> 00:06:26.240 those kinds of perversions. Right, It's really more the structure 124 00:06:26.439 --> 00:06:30.079 like then than like just being really into like a 125 00:06:30.079 --> 00:06:33.040 foot fetish or something like that, right, or a button fetish. 126 00:06:33.240 --> 00:06:36.519 Yeah, and you can have also fetishes and not necessarily 127 00:06:36.560 --> 00:06:40.399 be a pervert. This is like a truly compulsive fetish, 128 00:06:40.519 --> 00:06:43.079 not like you know, I like fucking around with ropes. 129 00:06:43.120 --> 00:06:45.399 It's like I need I need a rope around my 130 00:06:45.480 --> 00:06:47.199 neck to come that kind of thing. 131 00:06:47.279 --> 00:06:51.519 Yeah, exactly exactly, So maybe we should start with the 132 00:06:51.600 --> 00:06:53.560 underlying structure. And I was also going to say, I did, 133 00:06:53.600 --> 00:06:57.199 like just quickly when you were when you were talking there, 134 00:06:57.199 --> 00:06:59.120 I was like, maybe, well we can talk about this afterwards, 135 00:06:59.120 --> 00:07:01.480 but I think there might actually your reason that fits 136 00:07:01.480 --> 00:07:03.759 for why you should have caused his movies a perverts guide. 137 00:07:03.759 --> 00:07:05.279 But anyway, well we can save that. 138 00:07:05.399 --> 00:07:07.920 Maybe it wasn't him who called them that it could. 139 00:07:07.639 --> 00:07:10.279 Be could have been an editorial decision to. 140 00:07:10.319 --> 00:07:13.680 Be the director. Can I actually just start with an example. 141 00:07:14.240 --> 00:07:16.279 I know you guys didn't read this, so I'm really sorry, 142 00:07:16.279 --> 00:07:19.040 but if I can tell you the story of one 143 00:07:19.079 --> 00:07:21.839 particular pervert, then maybe we can relate back to it. 144 00:07:21.920 --> 00:07:24.000 And that's a structure. The structure will make more sense 145 00:07:24.040 --> 00:07:27.920 than saying a over barred, a over disavowal and d 146 00:07:28.199 --> 00:07:32.079 that comes in. Yeah, but it's a true case done 147 00:07:32.079 --> 00:07:34.560 by a psychoanalyst. And if you want the source, i'll 148 00:07:35.240 --> 00:07:37.560 send it to you later. But this is the description 149 00:07:37.720 --> 00:07:43.040 of the perversion. This is a Lacanian analyst and a 150 00:07:43.079 --> 00:07:45.480 Lacanian version of the perverts. So we're not dealing with 151 00:07:46.120 --> 00:07:49.240 Freudian or Klein or whoever else deals with perverts. Right, 152 00:07:50.000 --> 00:07:53.079 So the subject is a guy who's working at his 153 00:07:53.199 --> 00:07:57.519 job and he does this frequently. Okay, he has to 154 00:07:57.560 --> 00:07:59.959 do this, so it's a compulsion. He leaves the store 155 00:08:00.199 --> 00:08:03.480 where he's the manager, as though he's going on a 156 00:08:03.480 --> 00:08:06.800 business errand in his car and I'm going to be quoting. 157 00:08:07.279 --> 00:08:09.560 He changes his route so that it takes him through 158 00:08:09.600 --> 00:08:12.680 a residential neighborhood and looks for a barber shop in 159 00:08:12.720 --> 00:08:15.560 which there is only one barber. The barber has to 160 00:08:15.600 --> 00:08:18.759 conform to a certain pre selected type. He must not 161 00:08:18.839 --> 00:08:22.560 be lean, must not have long hair, etc. When the 162 00:08:22.600 --> 00:08:26.120 patient finds this shop, he returns there a couple of times, 163 00:08:26.439 --> 00:08:30.519 unless he becomes afraid that the barber suspects something. In 164 00:08:30.600 --> 00:08:34.600 a state of anxiety, there's a key term, so he's 165 00:08:34.600 --> 00:08:37.320 in a state of anxiety. He enters the barber shop, 166 00:08:37.519 --> 00:08:41.279 sits in the chair, and asks to be shaved. He 167 00:08:41.399 --> 00:08:45.720 sensed pleasurable excitement and anticipated relief as the barber draped 168 00:08:45.759 --> 00:08:49.440 the sheet around him, adjusted the towels, and arranged the 169 00:08:49.440 --> 00:08:52.840 position of the chair. When the barber was almost finished 170 00:08:52.840 --> 00:08:55.240 shaving him, he would rub his hand over his face 171 00:08:55.279 --> 00:08:59.039 and complain that it was not smooth enough. The barber 172 00:08:59.080 --> 00:09:04.279 would then relather and reshave him again. This continues. He 173 00:09:04.320 --> 00:09:08.240 continues again, says it's not smooth enough. This happens more 174 00:09:08.279 --> 00:09:10.840 than once several times. He would then notice that the 175 00:09:10.879 --> 00:09:15.320 barber was becoming annoyed and started breathing heavily with the 176 00:09:15.360 --> 00:09:19.399 barber's increasing annoyance. This is this is key. With the 177 00:09:19.399 --> 00:09:23.200 barber's increasing annoyance and his heavy breathing as he repeatedly 178 00:09:23.240 --> 00:09:26.480 had to draw his razor over his neck again and 179 00:09:26.559 --> 00:09:30.200 again and again, he would have an erection and ejaculate 180 00:09:30.240 --> 00:09:33.480 in his clothes under the barber sheet. Then he would 181 00:09:33.480 --> 00:09:40.840 pay the barber and leave. So, yeah, he's pestering poor barbers, 182 00:09:41.360 --> 00:09:45.879 roams the neighborhood stocks looking for one barber who's a target, 183 00:09:46.279 --> 00:09:50.159 makes him shave him four or five times, then comes 184 00:09:50.159 --> 00:09:52.679 in his jeans and goes back to work. And again 185 00:09:53.039 --> 00:09:55.039 he asked, he has to do it this way. This 186 00:09:55.159 --> 00:09:56.759 is this is the way that he's going to come 187 00:09:56.840 --> 00:09:58.960 if he's going to right. 188 00:09:59.039 --> 00:10:03.279 So that definitely fits what we would think of as perversion, 189 00:10:03.480 --> 00:10:06.399 is like, that's a weird way to get off. 190 00:10:07.080 --> 00:10:11.080 Yeah, and interestingly it may not be a parent on 191 00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:16.279 the surface, but this is actually a sadist. So there 192 00:10:16.279 --> 00:10:20.000 are masochists, there are sadists what we call in our 193 00:10:20.000 --> 00:10:24.039 culture sado masochism, but joining them together that is impossible. 194 00:10:24.519 --> 00:10:27.600 In the Lacinian formula, you're either a sadist or a 195 00:10:27.639 --> 00:10:30.399 masochist and also a fetishist. 196 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:34.000 But they're also not opposites. They're not like inversions of 197 00:10:34.000 --> 00:10:35.080 one another. They're both. 198 00:10:35.279 --> 00:10:38.840 They're both perverse structures. They can't they can't actually go together. 199 00:10:39.600 --> 00:10:43.799 What is that stupid show Fifty Shades of Gray? Is 200 00:10:43.840 --> 00:10:46.559 that a Is that like a masochist with a sadist? 201 00:10:47.679 --> 00:10:50.399 I forgot, I'm asking the wrong people, But I think 202 00:10:51.120 --> 00:10:54.519 if I recall correctly, that's a masochist and a sadist, 203 00:10:54.519 --> 00:10:56.720 and they go well together because they complement each other. 204 00:10:56.759 --> 00:11:00.799 That's not in That's not how it goes in real life, because. 205 00:11:00.519 --> 00:11:04.240 The sadist wants to cause anxiety and like someone else. 206 00:11:04.399 --> 00:11:09.320 I think maybe maybe that like repetition of the shave, but. 207 00:11:09.279 --> 00:11:11.159 I think so does the masochist. Like that's why they're 208 00:11:11.200 --> 00:11:14.159 actually similar, because I think the masochist also wants to 209 00:11:14.240 --> 00:11:17.440 like make like because the mascist is kind of like 210 00:11:17.480 --> 00:11:20.759 demanding that the other person kind of impose some kind 211 00:11:20.799 --> 00:11:24.159 of law on them. Yeah, right, Like they both actually 212 00:11:24.159 --> 00:11:26.840 weirdly want That's why they're not opposites, right, because I 213 00:11:26.840 --> 00:11:30.519 think they like Weirdly both have a similar like, well 214 00:11:30.559 --> 00:11:32.559 I know that that for the for the masochists, right, 215 00:11:32.639 --> 00:11:34.759 like they kind of act like, oh, they're doing it 216 00:11:34.879 --> 00:11:37.360 for the other person's pleasure, right, They're like, oh, I 217 00:11:37.399 --> 00:11:39.720 want you to like do something to me, and I 218 00:11:39.799 --> 00:11:42.840 want to be this object for you. But that's actually 219 00:11:42.840 --> 00:11:45.759 like kind of a phony impulse. It's really about their 220 00:11:45.799 --> 00:11:49.360 own enjoyment. Uh, it's not really about the others. 221 00:11:49.600 --> 00:11:52.919 Yeah, there's like the fantasy part, Like so Lacan's like 222 00:11:53.039 --> 00:11:58.399 three registers helps, right, like imaginary symbolic real and and 223 00:11:58.519 --> 00:12:01.480 for and so this symbolic is the thing that the 224 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:04.720 pervert has trouble getting to. Like the symbolic is when 225 00:12:04.759 --> 00:12:09.480 you fully go through separation like the neurotic, then you 226 00:12:09.519 --> 00:12:14.320 get to this symbolic, that symbolic castration. The pervert doesn't 227 00:12:14.320 --> 00:12:17.200 go through that. So in yeah, in the imaginary they're like, yes, 228 00:12:17.279 --> 00:12:21.240 I'm all for the other person, but in reality they 229 00:12:21.320 --> 00:12:26.080 want to like make the law real, and so they're 230 00:12:26.840 --> 00:12:30.240 I guess the limits of their tolerance becomes like the 231 00:12:30.320 --> 00:12:35.399 real limit, and then the fantasy that supports it is 232 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:38.080 like no, I'm giving myself to this person, like I'm 233 00:12:38.360 --> 00:12:42.320 I'm totally trying to give this person like the pleasure 234 00:12:42.399 --> 00:12:47.399 of whatever watching my pain. So there's that that the 235 00:12:47.480 --> 00:12:50.279 registers comes into play. Yeah, I think you're describing it 236 00:12:50.320 --> 00:12:51.200 pretty much right there. 237 00:12:51.279 --> 00:12:54.679 Yeah, the guy in the barber chair who comes under 238 00:12:54.720 --> 00:12:58.120 the under the barber beb his limit like you just said, 239 00:12:58.240 --> 00:13:00.519 you said the words, the limit is the real. The 240 00:13:00.559 --> 00:13:04.840 limit is the real because he eventually just really ejaculates. Yeah, 241 00:13:05.080 --> 00:13:08.159 the symbolic, but he has to. This is another interesting 242 00:13:08.200 --> 00:13:10.240 thing about the pervert is they have to set up 243 00:13:10.240 --> 00:13:15.320 this whole scenario and repeat the scenario, so you have 244 00:13:16.039 --> 00:13:18.360 different different fantasies in this. In this case of the 245 00:13:18.399 --> 00:13:22.279 barber one, the analyst went back to childhood and it 246 00:13:22.320 --> 00:13:25.120 goes back to like seeing pigs be slaughtered by getting 247 00:13:25.159 --> 00:13:30.600 their throats cut at at the same time as he 248 00:13:30.679 --> 00:13:34.720 was being forced in private school to learn how to 249 00:13:34.759 --> 00:13:38.679 speak like a like a native pole instead of speak 250 00:13:38.799 --> 00:13:42.159 with a Jewish accent. So there's that all the stealing 251 00:13:42.200 --> 00:13:44.679 of the voice, which is the agency of the subject, 252 00:13:45.159 --> 00:13:48.000 and then that being displaced onto the pigs getting their 253 00:13:48.039 --> 00:13:52.600 throat cut and the sadistic element. I know we think 254 00:13:52.639 --> 00:13:55.960 of sadistic like oh yeah, you're burning people with cigarettes like, 255 00:13:56.039 --> 00:13:59.399 that's not the guy the forcing the barber to continue 256 00:13:59.399 --> 00:14:03.200 to shave you. You until the barber gets upset and 257 00:14:03.240 --> 00:14:05.679 it starts getting annoyed and starts getting like, come come on, 258 00:14:05.919 --> 00:14:08.159 what the fuck are you doing? That's pushing up against 259 00:14:08.200 --> 00:14:12.320 the limit, and that limit pushing is what perverts do 260 00:14:12.440 --> 00:14:16.840 to get pleasure. Yeah, the neurotics, basically, we're obsessed with 261 00:14:17.399 --> 00:14:19.919 the limits. We know where they are, where we push 262 00:14:20.039 --> 00:14:22.480 them as kids. Then we find out where they are, 263 00:14:22.519 --> 00:14:26.039 and then we're horrified when other people push them, push 264 00:14:26.080 --> 00:14:27.679 the limits when they're around us. 265 00:14:28.120 --> 00:14:31.759 Yeah, yeah, what you said there. Yeah. The massachist wants 266 00:14:31.799 --> 00:14:36.519 to make this other person this, this person involved in 267 00:14:36.559 --> 00:14:39.799 their masochism, this says, bring them to the point of 268 00:14:40.000 --> 00:14:45.639 enunciating a law, pronouncing a sentence, sometimes by generating anxiety 269 00:14:45.679 --> 00:14:48.360 in them. And yeah, so maybe like the barber just 270 00:14:48.360 --> 00:14:50.679 saying okay, like that's enough. What the hell is going 271 00:14:50.720 --> 00:14:57.480 on here? You're crazy? Yeah, exactly, exactly, exactly, so achieved. 272 00:14:57.559 --> 00:15:00.240 They want to hear that that's enough, because they don't 273 00:15:00.279 --> 00:15:03.039 hear inside their own head, right, Neurotics always hear Okay, 274 00:15:03.080 --> 00:15:07.600 that's enough. We tell ourselves that's enough. They don't hear that. 275 00:15:07.559 --> 00:15:12.759 Part because the neurotic can channel it into language, right, 276 00:15:12.840 --> 00:15:18.240 and Leacn says juwiysance is prohibited to whom whoever speaks, 277 00:15:18.600 --> 00:15:24.360 So that that would suggest like symbolic castration. You know 278 00:15:24.440 --> 00:15:29.480 you you've you've gone from you've gone from alienation through separation, 279 00:15:30.200 --> 00:15:35.480 symbolic castration. Now desire has been given a name and 280 00:15:35.559 --> 00:15:40.080 is fully integrated into the symbolic, which can be you know, 281 00:15:40.440 --> 00:15:44.960 manipulated through speech. You have the object of desire can 282 00:15:45.000 --> 00:15:47.960 now be displaced from signify or to signify. You have 283 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:51.120 the chain of signification in play. For the pervert, they're 284 00:15:51.240 --> 00:15:55.440 they're not really there. They're like sort of staging that transition, 285 00:15:56.320 --> 00:16:00.000 but yeah, they can't do it in the symbolic like yeah, 286 00:16:00.159 --> 00:16:01.360 prohibited to speech. 287 00:16:01.799 --> 00:16:04.000 Well, I think an important concept that comes up here 288 00:16:04.039 --> 00:16:09.240 is disavowal. Freud discussing how boys who sometimes when they 289 00:16:09.279 --> 00:16:13.000 perceive a girl's genitals they like deny the absence of 290 00:16:13.039 --> 00:16:16.919 a penis while simultaneously registering it, so like it's it's 291 00:16:16.919 --> 00:16:19.159 like a weird pair. That's this is where that paradoxical 292 00:16:19.200 --> 00:16:21.240 stance comes in of like I know very well but 293 00:16:21.720 --> 00:16:25.039 all the same. So it's like both denying and registering 294 00:16:25.039 --> 00:16:27.879 it at some level. And whereas like in repression, which 295 00:16:27.879 --> 00:16:29.879 is I think what happens to the to the neurotic 296 00:16:31.120 --> 00:16:33.519 an impulse or thought, it's a kind of like pushed 297 00:16:33.720 --> 00:16:38.240 into the unconscious and then returns like it kind of distorted, 298 00:16:39.360 --> 00:16:44.559 but like disavowal, it's like something is both acknowledged and denied. 299 00:16:45.200 --> 00:16:47.240 And I think like that that then like kind of 300 00:16:47.279 --> 00:16:51.480 sets the stage that has to do with like how 301 00:16:51.559 --> 00:16:54.960 the the like paternal metaphor is is like is like 302 00:16:56.000 --> 00:16:59.639 kind of not not absorbed in the same way as 303 00:16:59.759 --> 00:17:03.120 as in as in as in neurosis. But I feel 304 00:17:03.120 --> 00:17:04.599 like I lost my train of thought there, so let me. 305 00:17:04.720 --> 00:17:07.440 Yeah, the example here is the little boy sees the 306 00:17:07.920 --> 00:17:10.680 sees his sister naked and says, oh, she has a 307 00:17:10.759 --> 00:17:15.799 small we wi and like, yeah, he's because that's what disavowal. Yeah, 308 00:17:15.880 --> 00:17:21.039 Fink says, like disavowal or Freud's word for for llougnung, 309 00:17:21.559 --> 00:17:25.400 would actually be better translated as as denial, and it's 310 00:17:25.400 --> 00:17:29.720 actually in French it's translated as denis, which is close 311 00:17:29.759 --> 00:17:33.279 to denial. So we say disavowal. It's this fancy word 312 00:17:33.480 --> 00:17:37.160 like to avow something is to swear swear it like 313 00:17:37.279 --> 00:17:40.559 I vow you know, I avow this, you know you 314 00:17:40.640 --> 00:17:44.480 acknowledge it in a strong sense. But to disavow as 315 00:17:44.519 --> 00:17:47.599 to yeah, like unswear to say i'd swear I didn't 316 00:17:47.640 --> 00:17:51.880 see it. Yeah, And the funny thing is to say 317 00:17:52.519 --> 00:17:56.440 I swear that it's not there is a weird thing 318 00:17:56.599 --> 00:18:00.000 because something can't be absent unless there's already a symbol 319 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:04.119 all like grid that prepares it, like the example of 320 00:18:04.200 --> 00:18:06.200 like you can't just walk into a library point in 321 00:18:06.200 --> 00:18:08.079 an empty space and be like a book is missing. 322 00:18:08.440 --> 00:18:09.920 You have to there has to be like a Dewey 323 00:18:10.000 --> 00:18:13.200 decimal system indicating that there should be a book there. 324 00:18:13.839 --> 00:18:16.519 Yeah, and this and then this way. Like so there 325 00:18:16.559 --> 00:18:19.440 is alienation that occurs right in language because there's still 326 00:18:19.480 --> 00:18:22.079 like some partial naming. But I think it's like the 327 00:18:22.599 --> 00:18:24.799 thing that doesn't happen is like separation. And I think 328 00:18:24.839 --> 00:18:27.680 this is where he talks about like how the father's 329 00:18:27.759 --> 00:18:31.440 law is acknowledged only partially, right, So it's like the 330 00:18:31.480 --> 00:18:35.559 pervert knows the father has not imposed full castration, but 331 00:18:35.759 --> 00:18:39.319 stages it through others. So like that's where like the 332 00:18:39.400 --> 00:18:43.000 staging comes in. So it's like because whereas obviously in 333 00:18:43.039 --> 00:18:45.480 the in the neurotic both things happen, and then obviously 334 00:18:45.519 --> 00:18:47.960 in the psychotic like not basically none of it happens. 335 00:18:47.960 --> 00:18:51.640 Although some alienation happens, but like it's not really it's 336 00:18:51.720 --> 00:18:54.839 it's it doesn't really like fully happen. So then this 337 00:18:54.920 --> 00:18:58.079 is where like I guess the the the desire or 338 00:18:58.079 --> 00:19:01.319 the need to like stage things age law because it's 339 00:19:01.359 --> 00:19:03.920 like the full castration of the of the name of 340 00:19:03.920 --> 00:19:07.400 the father hasn't occurred, So like there's some kind of 341 00:19:07.400 --> 00:19:12.599 a drive towards like staging something that is imposing law. 342 00:19:13.160 --> 00:19:17.799 Yeah, we are, I keep saying we neurotics. Neurotics kind 343 00:19:17.799 --> 00:19:21.000 of understand this stuff metaphorically, but the perverts have to 344 00:19:21.039 --> 00:19:24.759 do it with like physical scenarios almost. That's why you 345 00:19:24.799 --> 00:19:29.400 get That's why you get leather and whipped in chains 346 00:19:29.440 --> 00:19:33.799 and buttons and whatever the whatever the displacement comes onto 347 00:19:33.920 --> 00:19:37.039 or I have to go around and find a find 348 00:19:37.079 --> 00:19:38.799 a poor barber to pester. 349 00:19:39.640 --> 00:19:42.559 Yeah, they have to force a limit somehow, they have 350 00:19:42.640 --> 00:19:45.079 to force a limit to emerge. 351 00:19:45.480 --> 00:19:50.599 Instead of the symbolism and the metaphoric turn happening inside 352 00:19:50.599 --> 00:19:53.440 your head, it kind of happens in real life. 353 00:19:53.839 --> 00:19:56.079 Yeah, And also it's interesting because I think this also 354 00:19:56.119 --> 00:19:58.799 has to do with like kind of the relationship to 355 00:19:58.799 --> 00:20:02.720 tow juissance to like an imaginary and the imaginary fallus, 356 00:20:02.759 --> 00:20:05.480 meaning like the penis as pleasure or something like that, 357 00:20:05.519 --> 00:20:09.279 like as versus like symbolic fallus, and like I think 358 00:20:09.319 --> 00:20:14.920 in the neurotic the like there's an exchange where like 359 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:19.640 the neurotic renounces this kind of pleasure, like this material 360 00:20:20.200 --> 00:20:24.279 like or rather imaginary pleasure, like so the imaginary fallus 361 00:20:24.640 --> 00:20:28.480 and exchanges it for the symbolic fallus. So neurotics are 362 00:20:28.559 --> 00:20:31.240 much more interested. And by when I say symbolic fallus, 363 00:20:31.319 --> 00:20:35.960 I mean like social recognition, self esteem, like being seen 364 00:20:36.000 --> 00:20:39.079 by others is having value, so you're kind of exchanging 365 00:20:39.079 --> 00:20:41.640 it and you're like, okay, well, like I will repress 366 00:20:41.759 --> 00:20:44.799 my like embodied pleasures in a way because I want 367 00:20:44.839 --> 00:20:48.160 to participate in this society where like other people are 368 00:20:48.160 --> 00:20:51.119 going to see me as like valuable and contributing to 369 00:20:51.200 --> 00:20:55.680 this society. But the pervert like refuses basically that sacrifice, 370 00:20:55.920 --> 00:21:00.640 won't hand over their imaginary juissance. They're like imaginary fallis, 371 00:21:01.240 --> 00:21:05.559 And I think, like that's that's like where there's like 372 00:21:05.680 --> 00:21:08.119 as as pills was just saying, like, we can think 373 00:21:08.160 --> 00:21:10.799 about it, but it's like we can kind of imagine 374 00:21:10.799 --> 00:21:14.839 that sort of, but it's like the urge, the drive 375 00:21:14.960 --> 00:21:17.359 to just like enact these scenarios is very much like 376 00:21:17.400 --> 00:21:19.759 at the level like I guess of like the image 377 00:21:19.880 --> 00:21:22.359 like imaginary like trying to achieve this kind of pleasure 378 00:21:22.759 --> 00:21:24.119 sort of the way that I understood it. 379 00:21:24.440 --> 00:21:27.440 Yeah, so the neurotic, if the neurotics walking down the street, 380 00:21:27.839 --> 00:21:31.480 it's a hot day and there's a there's this there's 381 00:21:31.480 --> 00:21:35.240 a fine just a dime walking towards him, and she 382 00:21:35.240 --> 00:21:38.440 she's curvy, she's got one of those dresses, you know, 383 00:21:38.519 --> 00:21:41.480 the dresses that are made from that like the sweater material, 384 00:21:41.599 --> 00:21:46.519 so they're really there, form fitting, they're elasticky. It's hugging 385 00:21:46.519 --> 00:21:49.640 her curves. And if she's she's walking towards you, and 386 00:21:49.720 --> 00:21:52.240 you know, you know that on the other side of that, 387 00:21:52.319 --> 00:21:56.559 there's an ass to match just rolling around rolling around 388 00:21:56.599 --> 00:21:59.839 in that dress. But as a neurotic, you know that 389 00:21:59.880 --> 00:22:05.400 you can't turn to look because there are other people around. Yes, yes, 390 00:22:05.480 --> 00:22:08.079 this did have a point. There's other people around, and 391 00:22:08.119 --> 00:22:10.079 if they see that, your head's on a swivel. As 392 00:22:10.119 --> 00:22:13.319 soon as she walks past, then they're gonna they're gonna 393 00:22:13.359 --> 00:22:16.680 judge you, So you're gonna look like a creep. Your 394 00:22:17.000 --> 00:22:22.640 esteem comes from repressing swiveling around and checking out those 395 00:22:22.640 --> 00:22:25.799 beach balls that are bouncing around in there. And you're 396 00:22:25.799 --> 00:22:29.079 gonna keep your head forward, or you're gonna try to 397 00:22:29.119 --> 00:22:32.359 try to look in the reflection of a store window 398 00:22:32.480 --> 00:22:34.240 or something like that. You're gonna try to not get 399 00:22:34.279 --> 00:22:37.799 caught because you know that this is that the the 400 00:22:37.960 --> 00:22:43.440 law is worth following here. But the the pervert, this 401 00:22:43.559 --> 00:22:45.400