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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show.
Speaker 3: Normally you'd hear Wayne and Me digging into all things Bigfoot,
but this week we're switching it up. I'm replaying the
interview I recorded with Ron Moorehead at his home here
in North Carolina. If you missed it the first time
over on Sasquatch Odyssey, here's your chance to catch it.
If you did listen the first time round, it's definitely
worth another listen. This interview includes almost eight minutes of
never before released Sierra sounds. Wayne and I will be
back next week with a brand new episode, but for now,
let's get into this exclusive interview with the one and
only Ron Moorehead. Ron, first and foremost, thanks so much
for inviting me here. It is great to be here
in the great state of North Carolina talking about the
Sierra Sounds.
Speaker 2: Let's get the full picture for everybody.
Speaker 3: Can you take us back to what these guys were
experiencing up there and how you got involved in the camp.
Speaker 4: Sure, thank you, Brian. Yeah, it started for me in
nineteen seventy one. I was involved with some hunters. They
came out with a story about these things coming around
the camp. This is incident ab oudam malltains between Alecta
and Yosemite. The two brothers are caught up. That's I'm
into this camp, which is about eighty four hundred feet
in elevation and eight miles into the wilderness, very remote area,
but that's where they got The deer dining camp had
been sin Siety fifty eight for the Johnson brothers, and
they came out with this story there was something besides
bear messing with them up there.
Speaker 2: At night.
Speaker 4: They went out when the commotion was over with, and
I saw these huge tracks in the mud there. Donald
wouldn't go back by himself. He invited me to go
back with him, just because didn't like what happened at all.
He didn't know where to put that in his paradigm.
His religion said that giants don't exist anymore. They just
in the Bible and somewhere like that.
Speaker 2: We went back up.
Speaker 4: The guys were okay, so we went out. I started
going back as often as I could get somebody go
with me. That that nineteen seventy one, several times. I
don't remember how many times, but we all started taking
tape recorders up there and started recording them. And the
winner of nineteen seventy two, Warren Johnson, the leader of
our group. He wrote Ivan Sanderson, cryptozoologist. Ivan Sanderson thought
he was probably having his leg pool or something, so
he contacted Peter Burns. I don't know if it's anything
to this or not, but he thought it was a hoax.
Peter read the twenty three page later from one he
thought it was a hoax also, however, because that don't
happen have repeated visits like that anyway. Peter knew a
man named al Berry who worked for a record Searchlight
newspaper in read in California. Total if he wanted to
go down and check it out, he could, but too
far away for him to go down there just to
see if it was good or not. All actually thinking
the same thing, and I didn't know all this until
later years when I've seen the correspondence between them all.
Al came down and interviewed us all and asked if
he to go up, And so in nineteen seventy two
when we could get back in, Warren Johnson took him
back in and while start going back, and he started
experiencing the same thing. He was trying to find out
who could be pulling our leg way back in the
middle of nowhere and leaving no signs except for their
tracks and sounds they were recorded. Alberry was recording also,
We were all recording, so we had a lot of
redundancy in the sounds. This went on seventy one actually
all the way through seventy six. Repeated to visits, not
every time, but many times in seventy two, seventy four
right in there, and it wasn't until seventy four when
I actually saw one very elusive they're very fast. I
was recorded at the same time, so therefore I got
to see what made the sound. So they say, if
you don't see what made this sound, you don't know
what made this sound. He's been accused of all kinds
of things, Albery, He's the one that kind of pro coccused,
the one that's trying to go out and try to
solicit some professional to study the sounds. He went to
a little Belieberman at Brown University first and Phil Flaud
he was a former student trying to make fun of
him or something, and he's a cogressive researcher, and said
that he wouldn't do it. I finally found the professor
Kurland a University of Wyoming, who took a long unbiasedly.
I just wanted he wanted to get a professional hy
and say he's either fake or it's real. Doctor Kurlin
did a year long study. He gave his report at
the University of a British Columbia nineteen seventy six. I
think it was. He wrote it in a paper that
was posted in a book A Man Like Bosters on
Trial nineteen eighty or UCB Press. Anybody wanted to see
that would have to get that book and read the paper.
He concluded after a year long study, there was no
fowel making. It was all legitimate stuff. It hadn't been
slowed down, speeded up. There was no sixty cycle Holme minute.
There was nothing else there was legitimate, real He said
one clip of it represented an animal eight foot tall
eight foot two. I think he said something like compared
to the human vocal mechanism. So that kind of put
it up there, but not enough for academia, because I
still think it's an ape in the woods, right, and
we all did too at the time. Didn't realize just
how significant all this was until modern times, but we
saw it all started looking around up there while he
was there. All did too, still trying to figure out
how anybody could do this, and that was before current
said it was above the human range, and a lot
of it was anyway. We started going out and talking
about it after that in different conferences and places all
over the United States actually, but still couldn't answer the
odyssey that went with it. There were some strange things
went on up there besides the orgoizations, strange lights, strange
sounds that wouldn't language at all. It was I talk
about this my first book of Voices in a Wilderness.
But there's more to it. There's just more to it
where you're still looking how an ape could do this.
We didn't realize that only humans have the vocal mechanism
for spoken language like I'm doing now. That was revealed
in actually Philip Lieberman's paper his only humans have the
cognitive ability to speak like with morphine streams. It wasn't
until two thousand and eight till a crypto linguist was
trained by the Navy as a crypto linguist. It's been
his career in the Navy. Desidher him transcribing the foreign
sounds either codes or language, and determined if it was
a language. He got a hold of the sounds by
accident and came out and interviewed me and Albery both
got the context behind the sounds Aska Stadium. We let him.
He came back and says, this is spoken language by
the human dev language. It means a morphine stream of words.
It means cognitive ability like we're talking now. I know
that animal supposedly, not a whale, not a dolphin, nothing
has that abilities of us as humans. That's established by
Philip Liberman actually, and he said that only humans have
that bocal mechanism that's a highly bulloon with the tongue
of the nervous system into the brain to say innumerable
amount of words. So that put it over the edge
for me right there. If that's the case. You got
those three bullet points, you got doctor Curlin saying it's
out the human range outside, you got Scott Nelson the
crypto language who says it's spoken language. Then you got
doctor Philip Lieberman says it's only humans have that, So
it has to have a human component, And that's where
I go with it. I didn't really realize all that
until years later when I call this permission together for
my studies. So it's really put me on a hunt
for how they did what they did, because they did
some really strange things and had some really strange things
go on up there. So I got out of the
Newtonian physics which were all raised in which sixteen eighty seven,
we know things that are all fall easier of the fall,
you can measure anything, it's all predictable. It's where we
live in our third dimensional environment. So that's how it
got started for me, and I got me on a
worldwide wind check other countries out and see what's going
on with them.
Speaker 3: Let's talk a little bit about your siding when you
got to see these things, because that's one of the
things I did was get some questions from the audience,
and that was one of the questions that the audience
had was did you or any of the other guys
that were up there see what you were interacting with?
Speaker 2: Clearly you did that.
Speaker 3: Can you talk a little bit about that set up
the scene for us and talk about what you saw
and what you experienced.
Speaker 4: Sure, it was the night I recorded the signuri cry
they called it. It was nineteen seventy four. Bill and I.
He was our packer. We just got into camp, and
these things. We're at the camp when we got there,
so they obviously knew where it was going. And we
put thought altogether from other signs where we saw them
on the way in, just before it was dusk but
not dark. We heard pounding or they're crocking on rocks
the coating they give with whoops whooping sounds, and we
knew he was in for it then, but were still
outside the shelter. Normally they wouldn't interact with us until
we were inside the shelter. We had which was a
group of trees that grew in a circle. We wrapped
our cables around it. I didn't, but it was done
before I was going up there. Put classic over the
top of it so that it gets you out of
the weather and dead, folding it up against the cables. Anyway,
they started messing with us, chattering stuff like that. I said,
messing with this, that's what they do and mess with
I think that they know more about their woods than
we do. They do. It was an exciting night. And
when I heard that thing, well, I was hearing two
of them chatter, we think it's too adolescent than a
female down below by the creek. And then behind us
was a Semurai cry goes on and actually that money
maker he coined that when you heard it, first heard
these sounds and the ninety five I think it was.
That night was a big night. I saw this thing
shoot down through the trees. Could not give you any
definition on it, but it was fast. It was by
a petal, and it was very smooth, very fast. That's
first and only glimpse I ever got, the one that
I know of other people. My daughter saw them three
times up there. But there's something about got to watch
out for you to bring a young lady pretty want anything,
because the young ones out there and they crossbreed, I
believe with indigenous people it's also the Native American low
as they crossbreeen I think some of them are a
little more human like than others, and some of them
I may have different abilities than others. I get into
how they did what they did because it didn't make
sense the Newtonian world that we live in, which is
three divisional environment. I get reports on these things, they
them disappear, and it has to be a scientific answer.
Al Berry, the guy we took in there in seventy two,
and I became friends with him after that and we
started talking about He said, don't talk about this strange
stuff because you lose people with that stuff, because people
can't understand anything else side of what they can see, feel,
in touch, and anything material or physical and predictable. Everything
we know of is that way. But that's not true.
There's a whole other science out there called quantum science,
and it's an acknowledged science, but it's out of our
being able to prove it because it's out of our site.
You can't see it. Ever, that got me into quantum
science and trying to understand the enigma's associated with these beings.
I think I've got a lot of the answers put
together in my head. Any I don't know anyone else
wants to agree with it. I just encourage people to
look into that because it rides on the back of
our Nictonian physics of everything, which is sixteen eighty seven.
Quantum science wasn't even established to explain, got the Nobel
Prize in nineteen eighteen for it. Businessests like Einstein have
been studying today. You got theoretical physicals. So they've got
to be called theoretical because you can't see it. It's
like our cell phone. You don't see how that works,
but it works. Other things work on the back of
quantum science. Back Doctor Christopher Prayer at West Texas A
and M says, everything from the atom through the cosmos
works on the laws of quantum physics. It's just things
are out there that we don't see, that we don't
understand it. That's because of who we are at humans.
We're born with this restriction. We only go into this environment,
this third dimensional density we only see within onoint in
thirty and seven and seventy terror herts that's our frequency
everything everything. So one more time, everything is energy, frequency
and vibration. If you don't find the vibration of something,
that's where you get into everything. How things change because
you can find a vibration of anything, you can change
its matter. According to quantrophysics, how does matter change in energy?
That was proven by CERN in twenty twelve when the
hydront collide and made energy out of a particle. They've
learned how to do a lot of things, and they're
learning more and more all the time. And I just
want to ride to Agaway and try to learn more
because there's some strange things going on up there. How
do they disappear? That's been told? Everybody just shoves them off.
Find nothing can disappear if I say it ain't there,
not true. You got doctor Paul de Rock at the
Nobel Prize in nineteen thirty three for substantiating antimatter. He
called it because there's antimatter and there's matter. That's the
direct change between energy and matter. Matter and energy are interchangeable,
hands down. That's been established. Now mathematically was established, but
it's also established by a CERN. You get into that
and you think, if they can find the frequency of
their matter, they could change in the energy. Now a
lot of people don't want to go with that, but
it can happen. If they can change the matter and energy,
they'd go out of our visual perception. We only see
within frequency of more than thirty sub in city terrors.
That pretty much put that one out of most people's reach.
But a lot of people that want to follow that
would understand that's possible. But they got to reach the
frequency all these vocalizations we had up there, which are
outside the human range, a lot of we don't know
how high, because our little cassette recorders wouldn't do that.
They wouldn't tell you everything. So that's all we had
in those days, real to real, But we never took
really real up there. Just too much for the mules,
our satelemities. So anyway, quite an adventure still is. I
don't know if I'll ever get to the bottom of
it until one of these things comes out of the
woods and says, hi, it tells us what they're saying.
But they were trying to say something to me that
nineteen seventy four, before I was fortunate enough to get
my cosenter recorder out of the saddle bag and turn
it on.
Speaker 3: I'm glad you mentioned the setup and what you guys
were using. That's one of the first questions that I had,
because I worked with sound all the time, I'm a
content creator. I do podcasts, so I'm constantly listening to
sounds and what is out there in the zeitgeist. As
far as the Sierra sounds, a couple of times I've
heard them and it sounds like you guys are in
the shelter and there's times when these creatures are vocalizing.
Can you talk a little bit about how you did that,
because I've heard it other places that I know. You
can google it now and there's like a four minute
thing on YouTube and it sounds almost in some of
those clips that you guys are in the same place
with these creatures.
Speaker 2: Can you paint the picture for.
Speaker 3: Me and the audience about how this was done. Where
you as recording from inside your shelter or did you
have recorders outside where they were closer to the creatures.
Speaker 2: How did that work as far as the setup.
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Speaker 4: In seventy seventy, not seventy four, but those years, we
had the microphone set in the cracks of the shelter
and the recorders were extra our sleeping bags where we
were playing. Now usually when it was outside by the
stove which we carried in and put together on mules.
We'd wait till we heard a big crack or a
sound of some type, because it's very distinctive, very decisive
when you hear it's not like some bear or some
deer stepping on something that's heavy. That's the time we
thought let's go in, because we leave food out for
them generally and to take it generally. Once we was
inside the shelter, we could turn the tape of crows
on or off the nights that now Berry got those
very clear ones, which were my first CD produced to
Duncan Frakes and narrates it. It's integrated with the sounds
that he was recording at night. We were all recording,
but he got the very best once he had it
remoted up about forty feet from the shelter behind our
shelter as on a little pine tree actually had a
turned upside doc to the stereo recorder, but we didn't
know that at the time. When he taped the microphone
to the tree, one of them was right behind one
of those big trees up there. He thinks he had
behind a big rockout cropping. I had some very unique
recordings from several other times that I lost in a
house fire. Unfortunately, I had my stereo microphone set up.
I had a little portable D cell battery. It does
operated on stereo, so it was a little bigger than
a cassette, but I could haul it in. I lost
all those in the fire. Fortunately one of them that
I had i'd sent off after I got back to
the seventy four recording then atal Berry, so I had
a copy of it. I didn't lose that one. Bill
mcdoald who was with me also recording, but he transfers
his onto reel to reel when he gets hold and
reuses them again. By the way, if you're out there
listening to this, don't do that. If you record it once,
leave it alone, get a studied, or see what's going
on with because once you screw with them, you can't
get a forensic study again. Now, I had quite a
head recordings that I wish I still had, but I
don't produce the second CD from the copy that Alberry
had of mine. There sounds so different than seventy four
when when was recording, when they're outside, they were actually
yelling something at me, and I'd yell back trying to
mimic them, still thinking I'm talking to an ape out there.
They can't talk about whatever they're doing. I'm going to
try to duplicate it, and that's what I was trying
to do. But if I know them, then what I
think I know now, I would do things differently because
they are since you beans, at least what we were
dealing with up there, and I got to say that
pretty clearly what we were dealing up there. I don't
think all of them are that way. Some of them can.
I think some of them have crossbread so many eons
of time with Indigenous people that some of them have
lost that that should be maybe a speaking I don't know.
I just know that the Patison track, I think that
was a hybrid and definitely hybrid of a lot of
years across reading. Because there are tracks in the Pattison
track way which I have one, are so different than ours,
but in different in the way that there's not the
arts that's in the Patterson track, there's not the angle
of the toes like the Patisan track. All ours are
just even not across the top. That's over years of
being up there seeing tracks. I just think that there's
different ones, and some of them have different attributes than others,
and that gets us into wayback history. Because I was
raised religiously, I have a pretty good knowledge of Biblical
scriptures and stuff. So I was originally trying to find
out where giants came from, what happened to them. But
then I had to get into Mesopotanian, the Samerian texts,
and got all the way in the canaif form to
find the core of most of our languages, most are
written languages. That's the core that post of came out.
It was a canaiform text. You find that what takes
a chapter or two to explain things in the b
it took hundreds of thousands of years. You read how
it falls right into how they took that and just
about every written language it has a core in that.
So I got into that and I found out a
whole lot more what's really going on. And they talked
about hibrisation, the fallen ones in the Bible, or or
I call them aliens that came down and they were
at an archy. They cross spread with indigenous people and
created what ended up in several different trial periods I
think us. I said, so the desth make man in
our image and then you get into canetform text or
where they talk about there was like twelve ali. I
mean they could afform textas God always talked about and singular,
but there was actually twelve of them. But there was
a innumerable amount of an anachi, some good, some bad,
and they were doing what they shouldn't have done, which
has come down here and interfere with us. But that's
where the Samerians got there, picking up rear to it us.
All the knowledge that we have today, most of it,
I don't think there was in the computers that mine.
Speaker 3: Speaking of high strangeness and some of the weird things
that you've described that you guys were experiencing up there,
the strange lights and some of the other things that
were going on, something that people have talked about many
times on the show. I've had less Strouds or ivoryman
on the show has talked about having what he believes
to be a telepathic connection to Sasquatch. Interestingly enough, I
had an interview recently with a gentleman. He was talking
about this new podcast that came out a couple of
years ago called the Telepathy Tapes in a Nutshell, A
couple of doctors and this lady who does this podcast
has looked into nonverbal autistic children and young adults and
they have proven that they have telepathic abilities. They communicate
telepathically with each other A lot of times it's a
connection with a parent, and I used to laugh at
that theory.
Speaker 2: Chris Noel is one of those people who have.
Speaker 3: Talked about written books about possibly Sasquatch being some sort
of savant or having some sort of autism and being
able to have that telepathic connection with each other and
with human beings. Did you, guys ever experience anything that
you would even attribute to being close to a telepathic
communication of it?
Speaker 4: We were all very analytical. I think everybody has the ability.
Everybody has the ability to do that. I think sometimes
you might sense of simissent call you in the phone
rings and nuts person college, you know. I think we
just need to exercise our intuitiveness, which is another thing
you do when you meditate. I think it's all goes
back into frequency. We find the frequency and a lot
of people I've heard people tell me about the telepathic
thing's going on with them. Maybe that's what they were
trying to tell me that night. It relaxed my brain
a little bit. Maybe I could understand what they're saying.
I don't know. That's a funny way to look at it. Yeah,
Telepathy is something that I think we all have in
our genes. We have that ability if we just learn
how to clean up ourselves. That means going into the penia.
Language is in here with a receptor, in my opinion,
the receptor of above the source, whatever that is. It
has direct connection to your heart, which has its own brain.
By the way, most people don't understand that yet, but
it does. That has to be in coherence with upstairs
what's going on. Abubb your shoulders, because we're all being conditioned.
The conditioning is all you got to go by what
you learn from, whether it's your language or culture or
whatever it is. We're all conditioned. So the strangest up
there to the story. It falls into quantum science, I believe.
But telepathically, they have that ability to do anything with
their frequency. If you're on the right frequency, they work
with you. I think they do a lot of that.
People at night, no one's dark, because I think the
frequency the earth drops to our frequency at night. Things
happen when you get in that era, and it's easier
for them to communicate with people who are in their
relaxed state, not that you're asleep. A lot of things happen.
We need to go to sleep. The people think it's
just a dream or something, but maybe it's a little
bit more than that.
Speaker 3: You mentioned the footprints and what was left behind that
you guys found. How often did you find these footprints.
It's one of those things that has been a little
bit of a contested moment about some of the things
that happened.
Speaker 4: To know.
Speaker 3: Grover Krantz had some things to say about those, and
Meldrum has had his opinion on the footprints. Can you
describe those you mentioned them being a little different than
Patti's Prince for example, can you describe where you were
finding them, how you guys found them, What did they
look like physically?
Speaker 4: Yeah, they were bigger or one thing it was small ones.
We had some nine inch onins while with an eighteen
inch one in the snow that told us it was
an adolestent that across We had heard an adolestic too.
It one night in seventy four. I actually recorded it.
That's why I think it was an adoless than a
mother down there. I think ad lessons are getting a
little bit bold around humans, or maybe they're teaching them something.
I don't know. But the tracks up there were five
toad all of them. They had a very little arts
to them and walked one print in front of the other.
I wouldn't expect the Krantz, who has passed it right now,
or Meldon me they wanted to acknowledge them. I never
let them have a talk to Chuck, so I didn't
know Krantz. He lived in a squim of course, where
I used to live. He wouldn't even talk to us
about it. Here goes mine. Because they're all conditioned in
a parameters of classical science. It doesn't follow the rules.
They won't get off of that box. I hate to
say that to Jeff. I know Jeff pretty well. I've
been on with him a lot of times over in
Russia with the Mexicans Siberia, and he won't even talk
to you about it. I was, let's asking about then.
That was twenty eleven. I'd been into it then, trying
to figure out something, because you've got to be with
science when you get it with this stuff. For people
aren't going to buy it not to be some professor
behind it PG. That's why these guys get the attention
because they got the PhD. I'm a citizen PhD and
I've looked into it and I think it answers a
lot of questions. I had the tracks that we looked
for them. You only find what you look for if
you do not care for you walk right buy them.
We look for the toes man and then you find
us the trackway if there is one. They're not easy
because we had decomposed granted up there a lot of
times in a lot of the areas around our shelter.
As we're sometimes the sounds right outside there. You know
there's got to be a track somewhere. So you'd find
him out there and we'd cast him. And I've cast him,
and I've got the cast. I got an original track cast.
But people like Jeff meltm they're going to compare it
to the Patterson track if it's got everything Patterson track has.
If it doesn't, it's considered a faker or not real
or something else. I know Jeff, he's a good gentleman,
a good nice man, but he has to stay with
his parameters. I understand that so I don't begrudge him
at all, but there's no upside to U's given him
all of tracks, So I know what we deal to
with up there. I don't have to prove it by
a track. If he wants a question about that, that's
my answer. They're going to compare it to what they know.
What they feel like they know is a big pot track,
and that's the Patterson track because there was a film
with it right. As many times as we tried to
get a picture, we never got a picture.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's one thing that I have dealt with.
I have cast prints on my property in North Carolina.
We've done entire shows on one of my other podcasts
about gatekeeping in the Bigfoot community. There is gatekeeping to
an extent when it comes to evidence. Because people were
asking me as soon as I put those tracks out
and I cast them and allowed people to see them,
They're like, has it been validated by Jeff Meldrum or
Cliff Barrickman.
Speaker 2: I know Jeff and Cliff both.
Speaker 3: Yes, I was going to send it to them, but
at that moment, it really made me think about all
the evidence. The Sierra sounds, the tracks from there, my tracks,
my prints. My ideo I've recorded was, are we putting
too much stock in one or two opinions because they
are just comparing it with what's already been known quote
unquote known, and then they're sticking to their paradigm. And
if they're not looking outside of that and willing to
be more open minded about differences in your tracks or
my tracks or Patty's tracks, are we doing a disservice
to some of the evidence. In my opinion, I think
we are. I think it's important. I have great respect
for Jeff, I have great respect for Cliff, but at
the same time, they've been wrong. Let's just be honest.
They've been wrong about certain trackways that ended up being hoaxes,
and they were one hundred percent on board with them
being real. So if they made a mistake, then could
they make a mistake now? So I think we have
to be very careful in my opinion as a community
on gatekeeping.
Speaker 4: I agree with you one hundred percent. That's very important,
and that's what my goal is at my age. I'm
in my eighties now. I just want to bring classical
science and quantum science together because they won't get out
of their backs. And I believe that's what they're in.
They're in a condition paradigm, and they won't get out
of that. I think if one of the US come
in and start talking to them, they'd still say that
they don't might make a difference with some people, but
I've been around these things. I've seen some of the
stuff they do, and there's no answer fort in classical science,
and that's where they're at. It's a shame that they
have to degrade things that don't meet up with their paradigm.
I know they do that, and that's okay with me.
It's truth will prevail favor saying whatever. Sureth will come
out sooner or later. They're not all the same. I believe.
I got way back into beings from the cosmos coming
here a month ago. That's what I write about in
my last book. It's just that there's been a lot
of hibrisation programs going on here. There's a lot of
things went on by advanced beings. They have been here,
they're here now. Why they don't expose themselves is because
we're in a place where we're supposed to live out
our karma. We're supposed to know, we're supposed to learn
from our experiences. That's why we're here. That's teaching everything
because nothing else has what we have as humans. We're
made into images. I'm very expensive on a very high
frequench of being. If we learn from that, and that's
what were life's about, and we will die if you
don't learn. You got to learn it. I got to
come back and learn it. I'm sorry. I wasn't raised
this way to reven multile embodiments, but I do now
because you got to learn. And if you don't learn,
how you learn, you learn from you what it's like, Oh,
what's really were supposed to be like? You have to
learn with love and compassion with everybody else. You can't
go out there hurting people or live in a victim
paradigm yourself. You have to just learn to care. We're
in a warring species and that's because of the Aninochy,
the ones that fell. They've created the wars. Getting into
Greek pathology, you're going to get into wars between the
gods that were all at different names with all that
special abilities. They were called the powerful ones from the sky.
You get into that and you realize just what all
went on. We're here to expand and to learn. Once
we've learned to love and compassion with our human compadres
out there, we will step ahead and we are vibration
will get higher because we've got to get out of
this third dimension. That's our goal.
Speaker 3: Let's go back a little bit to what you guys
were experiencing up there when you were making these recordings.
Did you ever notice any difference in the vocalization patterns
based on any kind of environmental factors like the weather,
the moon phases? Were you more successful in one season
versus the other with the activity?
Speaker 5: Stay tuned for more of that big Foot podcast. We
will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 4: We're going to get up there in the wintertime. Number one,
just too much snowload. Roads were closed off anyway to
get you close to it. If you want to get
close to it, you couldn't get up that high anyway.
We wouldn't go until spring time when any of the
snow was a meltdown far and know where we could
make the trail in without getting hurt too bad. I've
had a few broker cribs on the trail and the
horse run off the edge, but our biggest time was
during deer hunting season. But That might have been because
we was up there. It might have been because they
didn't want to go around other camps that they didn't trust.
There was no other camps real close to us. There
was one that wasn't too far away from us, but
it was never inhabited. In fact, we rated it. We
always looked there to see if anybody use it. No
one's used it's all the time I was going up
there from the seventies. We checked around to see I
because anybody else running around up there, and there wasn't.
That was when we first started. But there was a
hunting camp and that's what the guys went up there for.
They said to come around at night when during honey
season and actually move our deer. We'd hang them up
and skin them, blow me around behind the shelter. They're
on a cable. They'd come up and they actually moved
it or found some tracks at a one time moving
our deer. Larry Warren's son who was ten years my junior.
Him and I were there to stop one night and
we thought, let's go back there and clean up around
the deer so when it comes in at the end
we can get tracks. Sure now that happened there's three
tracks there underneath this deer, and the deer had been moved.
The three tracks you could have seen over our shelter
down to where we were sitting. So when was watching
us when that was going on. We went back there,
found the tracks and wow, that's an eye older think
these things were spying on you and they know what
you're doing, and we had no idea they could figure
out what we was doing. But like the camera tracks
we set up, can't believe they knew what a camera
was at the time. We thought it well a trick
them eating and trick these things. They see your vibration,
they see your intent, they see your modis, they see
what through that, and they have these abilities that we
haven't learned to evolve into yet.
Speaker 3: My opinion, did you see a difference in the way
they were communicating with you, for lack of a better term,
when you started communicating back or trying to elicit a response,
and if so, what kind of differences in the communication did.
Speaker 4: You see At the difference between seventy one seventy two
and the one that recorded from seventy four the crypto linguists,
because they are they the sound different, I asked you
it is not the same bunch of creatures or something different,
because they sounded a little different. He said, it sounds
the same milk vocal back did the sounds for both years.
He says he thinks they slowed their vocalations down to
possibly something I could understand. They talk real fast, very
fast chatter, very much of John Green mid his apes
among us from his interview with Albert Osman, which I've
been up there looking for Albert Osman where he was taking,
looked their airplane and flirted around for a whole day,
slow flying, looking for the lane of the Camel River,
went over there to where he said he was, And
I'd write about that my second book at hourd Osmond
story anyway from seventy one seventy two, seventy four, because
seventy one seventy two is very intimidating, and it sounded
like we found out at least I think they were
arguing amongst themselves, not directed to that. We didn't know
at first if they were. That's what scared Donald off
at first, because be afraid they arguing about who's going
to put the salt pepper on us? But everybody's heavily
armed I got to tell you that we never went
up there with that some kind of self protection, but
a lot of that wasn't to protect us from these
things as much as we thought it might be at
the beginning. But seventy one seventy two, the aggressive sounds
were chest beating, very much a big gorilla would do,
or something that you think, and it was a little spooky.
I got to tell you then, because you still didn't know.
You don't know. To this day, we don't know. We
do know that in seventy four they were more subtle.
They were trying to say something to me, and I
don't to this day know what it was, because until
you get one to come in and start talking to you,
you don't know that goo google means a tree. You
don't know what that means. You know it's a language, though,
by the human destination, a language, and that's important. They
were talking slower. I don't know what they're saying, but
I try to and become home. That was exciting. That
was why we're outside the shelter, which unusual, very unusual.
Speaker 3: You mentioned that you thought, or you guys thought that
there might be juveniles and some older adults, maybe possibly
a female. Could you differentiate between what you guys thought
was the juvenile and if so, what was the difference
in the type of vocalizations from the adults versus the juvenile.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can hear that on my sounds like come
in my christ Brook. I got a link in that
book where you can hit the sound when I get
to the context. Yeah, you could definitely hear the difference.
It's a smaller voice, you just know it smaller. Then
you hear the bigger voice. Come down, don't do that,
or somewhere then near the male or a big one.
You can tell the difference in their aptitude. At least
we could tell. I could tell the durch, so could
the other guys pretty much. Sometimes you hear the old man.
They call him that one. I don't know how big
he was. But we're pounding some tracks up on the ridge.
One time when I was meeting up from a hunt
and found these tracks coming off these boulders down into
this sandy area and now from to the brush on
four big tracks over twenty five and a half inches.
That's pretty big. I got pictures of that. There's thirteen
foot between them. There wasn't running well that three loop
I didn't show that one to talk about it for
a long time, but nowadays, at my age, I don't care.
I just want to share things that I think I
know and hope it helps somebody else.
Speaker 3: Here's a question from the audience that people have asked
a couple of times, and I wanted to get it
directly from you. Have you ever worked with anybody outside
of Scott Nelson as far as a linguist or somebody
else who could look at these and make some determinations.
Speaker 2: And here's the second part of that question.
Speaker 3: And this is something that I think Meldrum actually mentioned
recently on an interview I saw him do. Was he
had asked, I don't know if he had talked to
you about it, or if you had talked to Scott
about putting Scott's work together in a paper for peer
review and letting other people take a look at these
That's a two part question. Is anybody another linguist or
somebody along the line of Scott Nelson looked at these things?
And is Scott even considering possibly putting his stuff into
a paper for peer review? And if not, do you
have any idea why?
Speaker 4: I certainly do. Yeah, Melders talked to Scott. I've talked
to Scott. Scott's writing this up. In fact, he's putting
it in now to hopefully do something like that soon.
Scott's laid back though he's retiring now. He's not a
bigfoot person. People want to send me a yell or
something like that to send the Scott to say if
it's a bigfoot. Scott doesn't do that. He looks for language.
It's a language person. He's a crypto linguist, though that
is an art form. It's not like a regular language.
So I've had people contact me. These things are open
for anybody wants to investigate them. They always have been,
but I want to make sure they're qualified if they
try to put it into some of their category and
their paradigm, but that it's not going to work. And
at least in my opinion, they got to get all
the way back into the manipulation of the DNA of
hominids and how much that happens. I think the whole
earth is just a big playground for aliens, it says.
And I got called on the carpet here a few
days ago about somebody saying they were phony. The sounds
were funny because they heard a reverb or something in
there they thought they did, but I don't know who
did that or whatever. But they can't disprove what PhD's
have proven so far. They have it. And yes, I've
had different languages. It's about different people say their language.
But again it's comparing apples with oranges. A regular linguists
isn't qualified to do we Scott Nelson, there's only one
or two people in the world discussed that he would
trust to. I really look into this like he has,
and they're retired like he is. But the's probably others
out there somewhere, but no one ever approached me with
that offer that says they're crypto linguist. Crypto linguist is
an art form not treated the same as regular linguists.
So to put it under an peer reviews good. Don't
trust them. Hero A letter told a very nice letter
if you want to subject his work to somebody that
don't know what they're doing.
Speaker 3: Some researchers have suggested that the Sierra Sounds might contain infrasound,
or at least the elements of infrasound. When you guys
were up there, did you ever have any physical effects
like vibrations, dizziness, or an overwhelming fear that might be
associated with infrasound.
Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely, I've had it happened to me twice up there.
Don't know what it was, might have been infrasound, but
I have no doubt that they can go in infrasound
and ultrasound both. I say, I have no doubts. But
our cassette recorders didn't record those things scientists that recorded
infra sound and ultrasound. But the big animals use those elephants, giraffes, tiger,
They communicate a lot in the person. And Warren Johnson
and I were in shelter one of these things with
mouth at all up there, and we were pretty good
about then, and we didn't think they're going to eat
us anymore. We left the sheltered door open, which was
just a log between two big trees an angle, and
we thought we'll go out there right quick and walk
up there. We'll see this thing right away because we
want to get a good view or one. But we
did just that. We jumped out of the door real
quick fast. We get out and I started walking up
to where the stiles were coming from, which wasn't that
far away, and we got within about fifteen feet of
the tree. We thought it was behind and him and
I both just got froze, and we weren't talking to
each other, and we were about ten fifteen feet apart.
We were just I don't know how to express it
other than I I write about that. And it's like
a force field. You can't go forward anymore. And Warren
looked at me and I don't know about you, but
I can't move, and I said I can't either, And
we started going backwards. And we go backwards. We couldn't
go forward. I brought that up to liverroy Fish. He
was a biologist, he was a scientist. He sees now,
good man, but he's science can't take on your fears.
I said, we were not afraid. Believe me, we're not afraid.
We realize these things are here to hurt us, or
they would have already done it if I weren't here
to carry away to sleeping bag. They had to carry
this a way if they wanted to eat, if they
could have eat this, they'd want to throw a rock
at us. I could have done that when we got
back in. We no sooner got back in the sheltering
and saying started mouthofkaon like it was ah, which they
can they'd play with you like that. And I had
it happened to be agin when I was loaning out
in the woods. I was walking along, not thinking about
it at all, and all of a sudden, the hairstad
will put it back. I just was froze right through
and I started looking around, Where's what's going on here?
I couldn't see a source of anything. And of course
I didn't know about doctor Durak's PLANTI matter at the
time either, because I think they could send out a
frequency to you that can stun you like that. I've
heard a lot of people say the same thing.
Speaker 2: This comes from a listener, Bud.
Speaker 3: He wanted you to talk about It was funny, he said,
ask him about big Foot an energy, the quantum theory.
Speaker 2: I read his book, but I still don't understand it.
Speaker 3: Could you go a little bit more into that and
also talk a little bit about You've mentioned a couple
of times about them possibly having two sets of vocal cords,
so you can you talk a little bit about the
Bigfoot energy quantum theory, and then possibly something along the
lines of the two vocal cords.
Speaker 4: Sure, we've been hitting on that during this whole program
a little bit. But everything is energy, frequency vibration. Do
you take outste of them? That's my new level of
the atom we are. That's not the most level, but
you get all the way down to who we are.
We're energy vibrating at a frequency, and if you can
find the frequency, you can change matter. And that's established.
I talked about that little earlier. I could listen to it,
but that's how that's who we are, and that's who
we're made to be. But we have not evolved in
understanding that yet. These are mathematical facts that can't be disproven,
or they would have disproven mathematically. That's what Paul Durrock
got the Noble price for. We have two sets. Butsly,
I've heard on a podcast on years ago a medium,
I said, I need to talk to this guy for
this over with. I talked to him and I said,
what's going on? How do they do what they do
with their vocal wo He says, I don't know that. No,
so you until you get one, you don't know. But
that's why it gives them such a frequency diversity. Things
that we can't do they can do with their vocal equism.
If that leads into antimatter, if that leads into the frequency,
that can change their matter who they are. That's what
we are do energy only they go out of our perception.
And that's what I m. It's my theory.
Speaker 2: Sticking to it all right.
Speaker 3: This is a little off topic, but this comes up
quite a bit about the Bigfoot nine to one one
call that everybody uses. I've used it in the intro
from my show for years. Tons of other podcasts use
that famous Bigfoot ninemal one call. This actually comes from
Brent and he asked the question, can you talk a
little bit about that No one call? Because apparently people
have done some four your requests and they've tried to
find it, and there doesn't seem to be a record.
Speaker 2: Of the call.
Speaker 3: Can you talk a little bit about that. I know
you got to interview that gentleman. He's even asked if
there was a specific police report number that was taken
for the call that maybe somebody could go back and reference.
But in general, the Foyer request turned up nothing on
the nine one one call. But you actually got to
talk to this gentleman. Can you talk a little bit
about that for people that may not be formiliar.
Speaker 4: You are tired navy and he had a Vietnam bed.
He organized garage. At about one o'clock in the morning,
his sense of light went off out of his garage.
He had this glass or plastic wides out as he
could see through his garage at certain height. He saw
this thing. Now. Two weeks prior to that, something scared
him out there. It was his big German shepherd dog
who never went out to stay there. He had two
younger dogs, their grasser dogs go out and bark that night.
Two or two weeks later when he saw it at
his German shepherd went out. It's who other dogs came
in and cowered down right there, and German shepherd went
out there and started barking at something. All of a
sudden he heard a big funk and a squeal. It
came flying over the fence and landed thirty five feet
away from the fence. He showed us where it went
over the fence. It had to be thrown nine foot high,
and we went over there. Peter Burn and I did
looking for tracks, looking for anything that could have done
at a horse or something like. I could have kick team,
but he had a sighting. You can't deny that when
you hear that. Peter contacted the service department because he
said after side of the sighting that he saw it
run away across the older road there and a car
had gone by and had a car actually went off
a little bit to miss it. Peter had even put
it at the paper trying to find invice, saying nothing
unusual that night on that road, and didn't get any
response from it. Peter would have had the number of
that report from the service department there. This is an
our Kitsap County pen. It's up there. I'm sure there's
a number somewhere. I just don't have it.
Speaker 5: Stay tuned for more of that big Foot podcast. We
will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 6: I edited it.
Speaker 4: I took out the typing and all that stuff that
was in between the reports, because there's two reports, one
two weeks and later than the other one two weeks
later on is when he had the sighting. That's when
he says, oh, get somebody here. He's afraid to say
bigfoot because he knows they were laughed at offers. I'm
probably when it came out two weeks prior to that
is when the New Sun was going on. He called
him in, so he had a man take the report then,
and then a lady took the report two weeks later.
That's the story behind it. I didn't leave his guys.
I have had people trying to get a hold of
me to find his name and all that, but you
don't respond to his phone anymore. I don't know he's alive.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know if he lives there anymore. Because something
like that goes on you generally, you and your life.
When we were away, I.
Speaker 3: Guess it was last year maybe sometime. I heard you
and Todd Nice were on over on Piel Island research
with Jeff doing a podcast, and Todd just threw it
out there and said, hey, Ron, you remember that time
me and you and Peter Burn were down in the
nineties doing this and you brought the shoe box full
of all the Sierra sounds that haven't been released, and
I was like, whoa wait what. Jeff actually reached out
to me and was like, dude, did you hear them talking?
There's more Sierra sounds that we've never heard. So I
started talking about it on my podcast and we've talked
about it and done some interviews with other people and
talked about it, and we've done other shows about it,
Wayne and I on that Bigfoot podcast. So I reached
out to you and got this conversation going about that.
You've obviously talked about it with me privately, So can
we talk a little bit about what you have as
far as the unreleased sounds, how many they are, and
what exactly is in there, and why it is that
you've chosen not to release those after all these years.
Speaker 4: We have ready the very best recordings. We have other
that are good, but we have redundancy. But what's very
important to me right now is there's a documentary being
made on the Aier camp by production company, and I
don't want to interfere what they're doing because they're going
to emphasize these Because they also got their recordings from
Warren Johnson's archive, which he's passed away years ago. They're
going to release those in the documentary, which would be
about an hour and a half long. They're doing a
really good job. They've been working on this for a
couple of years. Whatever, I don't want to interfere with
their work. They're very good people. They're going to do
a good job. I've known them now for a while,
so I hope that people aren't offended. It's all chatter
that you don't understand. Well, I've listened to them all.
We have hours of it. Really. I have Bill McDowell's
recordings and the production company has Warren Johnson's recordings, so
they're going to try to get all this together, all
the sinus. I have been asked several times about this.
So I give you one or two, I think, and
you want to play those because we run them through
the production people that are doing this, and they said
it's okay because really none of them sounds that's different.
It's just chatter. But they talk so much faster than us.
There's a lot of space and time between a lot
of them. Two which I mentioned to you, which has
our voices back in the shelter. It's just very important
that we don't interfere with them. To me, it's important,
and to them. They spend a lot of money on this,
and they're still spending money on it. They're in the
editing phase I think now, But we're gonn play those.
We want too.
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Speaker 3: I had a conversation with gil Via email after you
and I had talked and you express some concerns about that,
and she said, what we're doing is not going to
interfere with that at all. So we're pressing forward with
that for sure. I guess the last question here related
to the sounds is just looking back on your years
of research, everything you did at the Sierra Camp, everything
you've done since. Is there anything that you know now
that would cause you to do things differently back then,
or is there anything about the whole situation that still
keeps you up at night?
Speaker 4: Nothing keeps me up at night. Nothing or I'm not
a surprise at anything that happens, because you get into
quantum theory and you realize that anything can happen. No,
I think I would done things differently. I would have
not underestimated. None of us would we underestimate. I'm thinking
there's a nape in the woods, run around. They got
a document in some way, So you go out and
cast tracks you out and try to record you out,
and try to trick or me do all that stuff.
They're a step ahead of you, at least what we
dealt with those step ahead of is. And I've been
to other places too. Really, it's just a phenomenal history
back here. I'm writing my biography now, and it's just
the places I've been. The things I've seen are pretty
interested in me anybody else or not. But I think
my message to people, if I have a message, is
to know who you are as a human being and
how special we are as even mean what we're here for.
It's written in my third book. I've written three books
and produced two CDs out the Stiles and narrated one
by me and one by Jonathan Frick's story Trek Next
Generation they're both about forty minutes long with integrated sounds
in them. They're both downloadable on my website. Also, my
books are downloadable on my website or you can get
the hard copy through Amazon, which is ordered through my website. Again,
it's just to know that we have to respond with
love and compassion. That's what's going to elevate us as
human beings.
Speaker 2: Very wise words.
Speaker 3: I will link to all that in the show notes
for you guys to go over and get the books,
check out the sounds.
Speaker 4: Ron.
Speaker 3: I can't thank you enough for inviting me into your home.
Have had a blast talking to you.
Speaker 4: Thank you. It was good. Good questions.
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