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<v Speaker 1>This podcast is intended for mature audiences. Listener discretion is advised.

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<v Speaker 1>On a dark winter night in nineteen ninety two, high

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<v Speaker 1>school senior Kelly day Wilson finished her shift at NTV

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<v Speaker 1>Northeast Texas Video, a movie rental store on the town

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<v Speaker 1>square in Gilmer, Texas. Kelly locked up the shop with

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<v Speaker 1>manager Joe Henry.

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<v Speaker 2>I say, you opened tomorrow and she says yes, and

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<v Speaker 2>I said, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>See that was the last time anyone is known to

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<v Speaker 1>have seen Kelly.

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<v Speaker 2>The mom called me about six the next morning and

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<v Speaker 2>asked me if she'd go anywhere sink. I said, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>you going with the girls house? And that's all I

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<v Speaker 2>knew at the time. It was a little bit disturbing

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<v Speaker 2>to me, but I mean's like much of.

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<v Speaker 1>A Kelly and one of her friends, a fellow student

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<v Speaker 1>at Gilmour High School, had made plans to attend a

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<v Speaker 1>party together, a party out of town. Kelly never showed.

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<v Speaker 1>At seven a m Kelly's mom, Kathy, called the police department.

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<v Speaker 1>She got on the phone with a veteran sergeant named

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<v Speaker 1>James York Brown. From the get go, Sergeant Brown wondered

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<v Speaker 1>if Kelly simply ran away from home he asked Kathy

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<v Speaker 1>and her husband Robert to come down to the station

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<v Speaker 1>to file a missing person's report. Then Sergeant Brown drove

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<v Speaker 1>over to look at Kelly's car. Her gold Dodge Charger

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<v Speaker 1>was still parked beside the video store. There was a

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<v Speaker 1>bottle of vodka inside the car. The keys were missing,

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<v Speaker 1>no signs of a struggle, but the left rear tire

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<v Speaker 1>had been slashed. The tire had even come off the rim.

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<v Speaker 1>That's an important detail. Obviously Kelly or someone had tried

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<v Speaker 1>to drive the car before realizing it was flat. After

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<v Speaker 1>closing up the video store with Joe Kelly's life, last

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<v Speaker 1>task of the night would have been to drop off

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<v Speaker 1>all the cash from that day's movie rentals. The bank

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<v Speaker 1>was just a couple of blocks northeast of the store,

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<v Speaker 1>and when Sergeant Brown checked with the bank, sure enough

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<v Speaker 1>the nightly deposit had been made.

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<v Speaker 2>Lati has probably been slash by this time. Is not

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<v Speaker 2>known if she backed out, started off in the tires

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<v Speaker 2>flat and cooled back in, or if she went all

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<v Speaker 2>the way around to the mine to do the deposit

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<v Speaker 2>and then come back in.

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly's parents were divorced, her dad and stepmom Robbie and

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<v Speaker 1>Waverlin lived in the town of Knaketish, Louisiana, which is

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<v Speaker 1>about two and a half hours southeast of Gilmour. That winter,

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly had been telling her friends that she was moving

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<v Speaker 1>back to Louisiana, where she'd spent most of her childhood.

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<v Speaker 1>Had she left Gilmour without saying goodbye, Kathy called Waverlin.

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<v Speaker 1>Waverland called Robbie.

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<v Speaker 3>Won't say. It was like eight or nine o'clock in

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<v Speaker 3>the morning.

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<v Speaker 4>Wavern called me at work, said, told me a little bit,

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<v Speaker 4>and you know, I told my people I had to

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<v Speaker 4>go sham home.

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<v Speaker 3>We got backed up, we went, we went to So

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<v Speaker 3>you were worried at that point.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Robbie had always felt that his daughter was just a

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<v Speaker 1>little too trusting.

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<v Speaker 3>Kearn never met a stranger. She was very, very outgoing,

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<v Speaker 3>probably to her own.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it concerned me a little bit because she again,

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<v Speaker 4>she never she could go up to a perfect stranger,

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<v Speaker 4>strike a conversation, just like she'd known them all her life.

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<v Speaker 4>Best I can remember, we went straight to the police

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<v Speaker 4>station and talked to.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, sorry Brown.

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<v Speaker 1>Sergeant Brown was lean and linky. He rocked a dark

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<v Speaker 1>brown mustache and aviator sunglasses. Picture a local cop from

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<v Speaker 1>like an eighties movie. That's James Brown.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, he's a fairly typical small town police officer from

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<v Speaker 4>what I could you know, be away describe it. He

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<v Speaker 4>kind of ran us through what they had had so far. Uh,

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<v Speaker 4>pretty much the basics of the story. She you know,

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<v Speaker 4>she had closed the stores, she'd she'd her car had

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<v Speaker 4>been moved from where it was originally parked, assuming that

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<v Speaker 4>she had taken a bank deposits to the bank which

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<v Speaker 4>they were made. Uh, and her car was back at

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<v Speaker 4>the store in it but in a different parking slot.

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<v Speaker 3>I think there was a I think her person.

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<v Speaker 4>Was still in the car. There was I think I

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<v Speaker 4>remember writing a vodka bottle in the car. There were uh,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, who knows how long that stuff, and her

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<v Speaker 4>purse probably was there.

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<v Speaker 3>But that, you know, and that's pretty much about it. Really.

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<v Speaker 4>Why why they didn't impound the car treated as a

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<v Speaker 4>crime scene, I mean they were treating everything as just

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<v Speaker 4>a common, ordinary, everyday missing person runaway type same rather

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<v Speaker 4>than a crime scene. So there was a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>probably potential evidence that could have been collected.

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<v Speaker 3>It wasn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Hard to imagine the teenage girl running away without her purse.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, or without her car. Why wouldn't she take a car? Uh,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, let's unless somebody you know abducted her. What

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<v Speaker 4>else do you hear she voluntarily left for somebody else,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, that would be the only two scenarios I

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<v Speaker 4>could come up with.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what a lot of people thought at first. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly couldn't decide which household to live in, so she

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<v Speaker 1>skipped down with a boyfriend.

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<v Speaker 7>I just remember in the beginning, it was a.

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<v Speaker 2>She ran off.

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<v Speaker 8>They just kept saying, Oh, she ran off with some boy.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Kelly's friend from high school.

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<v Speaker 6>Lee.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a lot of she's a wild child.

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<v Speaker 8>She definitely just ran off with some boy for the

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<v Speaker 8>first couple of days, I believe.

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<v Speaker 9>I feel like it took them a couple of days

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<v Speaker 9>before they took it seriously.

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<v Speaker 1>That mindset was about to shift. The bank where everybody

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<v Speaker 1>thought Kelly made the deposit right before she disappeared had

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<v Speaker 1>a security camera. Sergeant Brown got hold of the footage.

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<v Speaker 1>It showed three vehicles making deposits around the time that

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly would have left the video store. None of the

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<v Speaker 1>vehicles was an eighty five Dodge Charger, though, nor did

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<v Speaker 1>any of the drivers look like Kelly. Although the video

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<v Speaker 1>quality was so bad it was hard to know for sure.

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<v Speaker 10>I just had a feeling, ominous feeling that just did

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<v Speaker 10>not go to run well, and that I can't tell

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<v Speaker 10>you why I did fail, and I just had that

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<v Speaker 10>as Unfortunately it turned out to be pretty true.

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<v Speaker 1>Robbie had no idea how bad it was going to get.

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<v Speaker 6>It's the story of a missing teenage girl.

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<v Speaker 4>To find her would change the lines of just about

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<v Speaker 4>everyone she knew.

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<v Speaker 5>In this case of missing Gilmourtine Kelly Wilson.

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<v Speaker 11>She told be careful that I could end up like

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<v Speaker 11>Kelly Wilson. The strip put fear in me.

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<v Speaker 6>If there was devil worshiping back in the woods right

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<v Speaker 6>behind your.

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<v Speaker 5>House, Yeah, further back in the woods.

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<v Speaker 12>The details are sketchy, the trail goes cold, and Kelly

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<v Speaker 12>Wilson vanishes forever in the small town of Gilmour, everyone

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<v Speaker 12>wants to know what happened to Kelly Wilson.

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<v Speaker 1>From Imperative Entertainment. I'm West Ferguson. This is Deviltown. This

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<v Speaker 1>is chapter two, The Devil comes to town. It's been

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<v Speaker 1>thirty years since Kelly Wilson walked out of Northeast Texas.

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<v Speaker 1>Video and vanished into the night. I was a kid

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<v Speaker 1>back then. Now I'm trying to answer a question that

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<v Speaker 1>seems so simple, and yet it's been devil the town

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<v Speaker 1>of Gilmer for decades.

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<v Speaker 7>STA Steel, no answers, and the disappearance of Kelly Wilson.

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<v Speaker 1>Leaving the city wondering well they ever know. That's all

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<v Speaker 1>anyone can say for certain.

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<v Speaker 13>Kelly Wilson has vanished.

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<v Speaker 1>From day one. Sergeant James York Brown led the investigation.

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<v Speaker 1>He probably knows more about Kelly's disappearance than anyone else,

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<v Speaker 1>but this case changed his life. It nearly broke him.

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<v Speaker 1>To this day. Some folks in Gilmer wonder if Sergeant

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<v Speaker 1>Brown knows more than he's letting on. I mailed Sergeant

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<v Speaker 1>Brown a letter and called a few times. Nothing. One day,

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<v Speaker 1>I even tried to drive by his house to knock

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<v Speaker 1>on his front door. He lives way out in the country. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the map on my phone sent me far off course

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<v Speaker 1>to a pine forest in the middle of nowhere, not

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<v Speaker 1>a house in sight. Kelly's mom, Kathy, had already decided

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<v Speaker 1>not to talk to me. Without Sergeant Brown, I'd probably

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<v Speaker 1>never find out what happened to Kelly. Then I dove

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<v Speaker 1>a little deeper into Facebook and Reddit comments about the case.

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<v Speaker 1>They were full of finger pointing and amateur investigators. James

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<v Speaker 1>York Brown was a prime suspect in the eyes of some.

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<v Speaker 1>Here are a few examples.

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<v Speaker 2>I still think it was the cop.

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<v Speaker 6>To me, he was so creepy.

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<v Speaker 2>It was in it up to his ears.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the commenters caught my attention. This guy was feisty.

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<v Speaker 1>Plenty of bad information here. I'd be proud to set

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<v Speaker 1>some things straight. I lost good years of my childhood

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<v Speaker 1>to this case. He is my father. I'd be happy

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<v Speaker 1>to answer any questions you have. Jan Brown has a son.

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<v Speaker 1>His name is Josh. I found a phone number.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh I've been mad. Yeah, I've been mad.

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<v Speaker 8>I've even questioned my own dad, just out of out

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<v Speaker 8>of fury, out of out of fucking lost time, and

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<v Speaker 8>just just being just flat out mad, you know, trying

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<v Speaker 8>to figure out why I've questioned dad, My brother's questioned dad.

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<v Speaker 8>My brother and I both questioned each other just you know,

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<v Speaker 8>we wanted to know what we were shielded from. But

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<v Speaker 8>I can guarantee you that I can guarantee you he

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<v Speaker 8>didn't do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Josh's mom and dad split up when he was a toddler.

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<v Speaker 1>He was eight when his dad took on Kelly's case.

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<v Speaker 8>They've been divorced. It's all I can remember, you know.

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<v Speaker 8>I just see dad on the weekends, first, third, and fifth.

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<v Speaker 1>Back then, Sergeant Brown was always on the job, whether

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<v Speaker 1>he was in uniform or not.

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<v Speaker 8>He had a Brown trans am and uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 8>we we would go ride the back roads on the weekend.

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<v Speaker 8>And uh, I didn't know this, but you know he

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<v Speaker 8>was he was looking. I remember he would talk to

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<v Speaker 8>people when we were just, you know, quote riding around

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<v Speaker 8>and he would ask him, hey, you know, you see anything?

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<v Speaker 8>You know, he was always asking questions. You know anybody

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<v Speaker 8>and everybody that you know, everybody. Gimmer's a small town.

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<v Speaker 1>Josh and I had been talking for a while. I

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<v Speaker 1>had to ask, do you think he'd want to talk

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<v Speaker 1>to me.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know that he would.

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<v Speaker 8>I think he's I think he's pretty well done with

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<v Speaker 8>that stage in his life that you know, he's moved

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<v Speaker 8>on from that really doesn't want anything to do with it.

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<v Speaker 8>I will call him and ask him and see if

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<v Speaker 8>he'll do one more interview. However, my request, if I'm

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<v Speaker 8>going to do that for you, give us the direction

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<v Speaker 8>that's going to be geared, because if you're going to

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<v Speaker 8>try to make him look like a criminal, yeah, we

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<v Speaker 8>ain't got much use for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Josh and I hung up. Minutes later, the phone buzzed

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<v Speaker 1>in my pocket Josh again. He had his dad on

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<v Speaker 1>the line. I scrambled to find my recorder. Mister Brown,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much for being willing to get on

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<v Speaker 1>the phone with me.

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<v Speaker 3>My name is he.

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<v Speaker 6>Before you get started, lest I want you understand.

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<v Speaker 3>You've I've talked to Dad and h You've got a

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<v Speaker 1>Sergeant Brown. James had been a cop for several years

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<v Speaker 11>And that was the whole region of being in law

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<v Speaker 11>enforcement anyway, or in my opinion, it is is to

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<v Speaker 11>to shootings and bandage people up until they get the ambulance.

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<v Speaker 6>The whole hopefully they subviigned it.

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<v Speaker 11>You know, it didn't matter if they were the bad

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<v Speaker 6>It was just your job was to take it.

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't take him long to realize that Kelly's situation was

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<v Speaker 1>more dire than a case of a teenage runaway.

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<v Speaker 11>Usually if somebody runs from their home or was a

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<v Speaker 11>But then from what I understood, she was supposed to

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<v Speaker 6>And when he told me that, I said, just don't.

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<v Speaker 11>Look good at all, because usually a person don't maybe

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<v Speaker 6>They want to go.

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<v Speaker 11>They could have run away, or anything could have happened.

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<v Speaker 11>But you start at that point and then you.

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<v Speaker 6>Go from where the last place was.

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<v Speaker 11>And you know, even in this case, there was problems

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<v Speaker 11>with that because the vehicle was tampered with by this

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly's stepdad, Robert, not to be confused with Kelly's dad, Robbie,

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<v Speaker 1>probably didn't give a second thought to grabbing the purse

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<v Speaker 1>when he found Kelly's unlocked car beside the video store.

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<v Speaker 1>But in Sergeant Brown's opinion, Robert had had already compromised

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<v Speaker 11>With thetization of another They had already went.

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<v Speaker 6>Through that car before we got that.

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<v Speaker 11>You had to start at zero because you don't know

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<v Speaker 11>what was removed from the vega or anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Sergeant Brown didn't really think the car held any clues,

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<v Speaker 1>so he turned his search elsewhere. That meant interviewing everyone

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<v Speaker 6>You talked to the people that were there at the story,

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<v Speaker 11>I mean, there's a lot of interviews that were done

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<v Speaker 11>with the last people that had contact, and from there

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<v Speaker 11>you start nearing your focus. And of course I was

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<v Speaker 11>and a loan in the investigation.

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<v Speaker 1>Enter Philip Williams.

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<v Speaker 7>About two or three days that you disa feared, he

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<v Speaker 7>called me in said I need some help. Distinct remember

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<v Speaker 7>saying that.

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<v Speaker 1>Philip Williams was and is a newspaper reporter in Gilmer.

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<v Speaker 1>You heard from him in the first episode.

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<v Speaker 7>And then he told me we got this missing girl.

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<v Speaker 1>To spread the word, Philip wrote a news article that

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<v Speaker 1>described Kelly blue eyes, sandy, blonde hair, five foot seven,

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and twenty pounds. She was last seen wearing

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<v Speaker 1>blue jean cut off shorts and a purple rugby shirt

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<v Speaker 1>with a white collar and white sleeve bands. Sergeant Brown

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<v Speaker 1>also called the Texas Rangers, Louisiana Police, and the FBI,

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<v Speaker 1>looking for help anywhere he could find it.

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<v Speaker 11>The FBI help when Danley's and interview people.

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<v Speaker 1>There had been a few skateboarders out that night on

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<v Speaker 1>the town square. According to at least one news report,

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<v Speaker 1>A handful of people told police they saw Kelly go

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<v Speaker 1>back into the video store after she discovered her flat tire,

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<v Speaker 1>but apparently no one saw what happened after that. Asking around,

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<v Speaker 1>Sergeant Brown found out that one of Kelly's tires also

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<v Speaker 1>had been slashed that Friday, two nights before she vanished.

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<v Speaker 1>Another girl who worked with Kelly at the video store

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<v Speaker 1>also had one of her tires slashed on Saturday, just

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<v Speaker 1>one night before. Maybe this this last tire was related,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe not. Another baffling detail has to do with that

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<v Speaker 1>bank deposit. For some reason, Sergeant Brown told the news

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<v Speaker 1>media that Kelly was shown on the security camera making

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<v Speaker 1>the deposit, even though the camera didn't really show that.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it's possible she walked two blocks to make

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<v Speaker 1>the deposit off camera, but that seems unlikely given that

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<v Speaker 1>it was dark and pretty cold in Gilmer that night.

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<v Speaker 1>If not Kelly, then who dropped off the money?

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<v Speaker 2>I'll let them carry my truck through to eliminate it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Joe Henry again, the store manager.

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<v Speaker 3>We went drove through. Do that twice. Let's screw it.

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<v Speaker 2>Did that to us? Eliminated my truck.

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<v Speaker 1>Sergeant Brown, the FBI and Texas Rangers all interviewed Joe.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe was a bachelor in his mid thirties. He and

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly had been alone on her last night at the

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<v Speaker 1>video store. Was he hiding something? Did you get the

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<v Speaker 1>impression that they were asking some certain questions because they

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<v Speaker 1>were trying to decide if you were.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, but they were very very nice. I mean yes,

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<v Speaker 2>because I mean you start, I'm the proverbial last person.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's you know. I wasn't but whatever happened was

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<v Speaker 2>the last person. But I'm the proverbial last person to

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<v Speaker 2>see her. So we started with me and you worked

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<v Speaker 2>We went through all this stuff, and it was very hard,

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<v Speaker 2>very difficult, because I'd gone home that night. My mom

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<v Speaker 2>was home the next door navy and that saw me

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<v Speaker 2>come home. A guy at the grocery store. I bet

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<v Speaker 2>and bought some stuff from my mom and group the

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<v Speaker 2>frozen and stuff. Went home, took shower, eight and supper.

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<v Speaker 2>Call my girlfriend and talked to her. She got me

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<v Speaker 2>back in a little bit and this was crazy and

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<v Speaker 2>asked me, he says, your dog in the yard.

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<v Speaker 1>And I said, yeah, I think so, kind of random.

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<v Speaker 2>So I got up and looked out the one and

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<v Speaker 2>there he was, you know, and her name was Angela.

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<v Speaker 2>She since passed away. But but all these people, now,

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<v Speaker 2>I tried to think, y'all, go comp.

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<v Speaker 3>Of these people. We don't need to.

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<v Speaker 15>It's hard.

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<v Speaker 2>So okay, I mean I had never ready here, interesting,

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<v Speaker 2>anything like this before, and this is just terrifying, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, but they were very courteous and I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>want They told me too and all that, and we

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<v Speaker 6>To talk, we talked.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody in town knew Joe, and not just from the

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<v Speaker 1>video store or his burger joined around the block. Joe

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<v Speaker 1>was from a good family with deep ties in Gilmer.

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<v Speaker 1>He also had a solid alibi. Pretty soon he was

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<v Speaker 1>more or less eliminated from the list of suspects, at

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<v Speaker 1>least in the eyes of law. Enforcement, although Joe says

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<v Speaker 1>he remained in touch with Sergeant Brown and the FBI

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<v Speaker 1>and goa Jane to tell me something.

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<v Speaker 2>We were kind of confident with each other. After a time,

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<v Speaker 2>we got over the hurdle of me and I mine. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>they ever quit looking at me in that respect. But

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<v Speaker 2>after a while it changed and they would come over

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<v Speaker 2>and eat lunch. We would talk and I told the

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<v Speaker 2>guy I felt bad about that, about not staying an

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<v Speaker 2>extra ten minutes or whatever. He said, you cannot lay yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, that is not your problem. He said, I

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<v Speaker 2>know it's a bad situation, but he said you can't.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't put yourself in that situation that if you

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<v Speaker 2>had been then this wouldn't have happened. I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 2>just that you just can't speculate on my kind stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Winding through the woods northwest of Gilmour is a narrow,

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<v Speaker 1>and some would say mysterious road named the Cherokee Trace.

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<v Speaker 1>It's much older than all the other roads in the area.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, Cherokee Indians blazed the trail more than two

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<v Speaker 1>centuries ago, supposedly by dragging buffalo skins through the brush.

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<v Speaker 1>To this day, it remains a lonely out of the

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<v Speaker 1>way black Top Lane meandering out of town for several miles.

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<v Speaker 1>In this story, the Cherokee Trace will come up again

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<v Speaker 1>and again. One month after Kelly disappeared, three hundred volunteers

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<v Speaker 1>and a pack of search dogs combed the woods near

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<v Speaker 1>Cherokee Trace. The spot was a popular hangout for local teens.

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<v Speaker 1>What's more, a new reservoir, Gilmour Lake, was being planned

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<v Speaker 1>for the area. The searchers found some mounds of recently

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<v Speaker 1>turned earth, but it turned out that a team of

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<v Speaker 1>archaeologists had been digging for Indian relics. There were no

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<v Speaker 1>signs of Kelly. Sergeant Brown kept up the search on

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<v Speaker 1>his own time. Meanwhile, Kelly's dad and stepmom practically moved

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<v Speaker 1>to Gilmour.

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<v Speaker 4>It seemed like every weekend there for quite a few months, we.

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<v Speaker 6>Were over there.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, we would follow a lead or just find

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<v Speaker 3>a place in search. I mean, it was just, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>he felt like he had to do some.

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<v Speaker 1>Finally, in late April, Sergeant Brown seemed to get his

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<v Speaker 1>first real break. A high school dropout named Michael Biby

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<v Speaker 1>confessed to slashing Kelly's car tire on the night she vanished. Biby,

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<v Speaker 1>who was seventeen years old at the time, was arrested

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<v Speaker 1>on a misdemeanor charge of criminal mischief.

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<v Speaker 7>The guy that's last retire He was brought in the court,

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<v Speaker 7>played guilty and to a missdemainor, and I was there

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<v Speaker 7>when he was sentenced. But apparently, through a remarkable coincidence,

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<v Speaker 7>he had nothing to do with her disappearance. He's last retired,

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<v Speaker 7>she disappears, but he didn't have thing to do with

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<v Speaker 7>the disappearance.

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<v Speaker 3>Or as a law was concerned. That's quite the coincidence.

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Biby moved out of state a long time ago.

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<v Speaker 1>I've tried really hard to reach him, phone calls, emails,

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<v Speaker 1>he blocked me on Facebook. Ultimately police decided his tire

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<v Speaker 1>slashing was just a random act of vandalism. Police were

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<v Speaker 1>back to square one. That spring high school graduation came

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<v Speaker 1>and went with no sign of Kelly. The Gilmer class

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<v Speaker 1>of ninety two dedicated this ceremony to their missing classmate.

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<v Speaker 1>In the news, Sergeant Brown maintained that he was still

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<v Speaker 1>interviewing people and pursuing leads, but reading between the lines,

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<v Speaker 1>it seemed like the case.

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<v Speaker 6>Had gone.

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<v Speaker 1>Desperate for clues. Sergeant Brown was about to take a

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<v Speaker 1>trip to the spirit world.

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<v Speaker 16>Hi, Sergeant Brown, is it?

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<v Speaker 5>Hi? Sergeant Brown?

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<v Speaker 16>Just fine? Well, James, have you ever worked with the

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<v Speaker 16>psychic before?

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<v Speaker 1>No, ma'am James Brown dial to psychic. With the search

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<v Speaker 1>for their daughter seeming to stall out, Kelly's parents had

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<v Speaker 1>asked Sergeant James York Brown of the Gilmert Police Department

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<v Speaker 1>to seek help from none other than Narene Rainier, a

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<v Speaker 1>psychic detective in Florida. Here's Miss Renier being interviewed for

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<v Speaker 1>a YouTube show just last year.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome to Paranormal Yaker.

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<v Speaker 2>My guest today is psychic detective Noreen Rainier.

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<v Speaker 11>She is the only psychic ever to lecture at the

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<v Speaker 11>FBI Academy and has assisted.

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<v Speaker 2>Law enforcement officials all over the world.

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<v Speaker 9>I've been shot with a shotgun, and I've been a

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<v Speaker 9>male in male parts. I've had my throat slit many times,

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<v Speaker 9>stammed in the head, and for some reason, while I'm

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<v Speaker 9>in this sort of trance state, I don't get upset.

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<v Speaker 1>Ranier is famous for her paranormal services. She's worked on

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<v Speaker 1>more than six hundred unsolved cases and even lectured at

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI Academy in nineteen eighty one. Believe it or not,

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<v Speaker 1>Using psychics on missing persons cases at that time was

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<v Speaker 1>a thing. The Atlanta child murders, where many young black

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<v Speaker 1>boys went missing at the hands of a mysterious killer,

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<v Speaker 1>most famously used psychics to help scour the woods for

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<v Speaker 1>bodies around the Atlanta area. In the early nineteen eighties.

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<v Speaker 1>The Gilmer Police sent Lorene a tennis shoe, scarf, belt, necklace,

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<v Speaker 1>and watch, all items that had belonged to Kelly. This

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<v Speaker 1>is an actual recording from the psychic session with Sergeant Brown.

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<v Speaker 16>Now, I'm gonna ask Nouren to relax, be with Kelly.

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<v Speaker 16>See Kelly. What just describe Kelly for.

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<v Speaker 15>More short than pause, more short around your pretty prettiness

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<v Speaker 15>in her face.

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<v Speaker 1>Sergeant Brown was on the other end of the line.

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<v Speaker 1>It went on like that for a while.

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<v Speaker 5>Tell us what you're feeling seeing this killer. Want to

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<v Speaker 5>know only about the killer, Kelly. Relax, tell us what

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<v Speaker 5>you feel. Tell us what you feel.

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<v Speaker 2>Stunning is cousingly pain.

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<v Speaker 15>You know to tell you the murderers, but I'm having

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<v Speaker 15>an the stomach.

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<v Speaker 5>Go beyond the pain. Now, you want to go beyond the.

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<v Speaker 15>Pains were pushed up me.

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<v Speaker 5>Go beyond the pain.

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<v Speaker 14>Relax, relax, come back to Noreene. To come back to Noreene,

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<v Speaker 14>be relaxed, James. We want Nourene to take just a

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<v Speaker 14>little break from being psychic at this point. When we

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<v Speaker 14>hit upon something that's stressful or painful, sometimes we have

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<v Speaker 14>to do this so we don't lose very completely.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to ask her to take in her trance

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<v Speaker 1>like state, Noreene envision two possible suspects. She described their

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<v Speaker 1>facial appearances, a big man with thin hair, small eyes,

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<v Speaker 1>round narrow shoulders, and baggy jeans, and a smaller man

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<v Speaker 1>with curly hair and a broad note listening along. A

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<v Speaker 1>police sketch artist drew their composite pictures that winner nearly

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<v Speaker 1>to the day since Kelly was last seen. Gilmur Police

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<v Speaker 1>Chief al McAllister unveiled the drawings and asked for the

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<v Speaker 1>public's help finding the two men, while noting that information

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<v Speaker 1>from psychics is not admissible in court. This really was

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<v Speaker 1>presented to the town to try to find who might

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<v Speaker 1>have been behind Kelly's disappearance.

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<v Speaker 7>They had at the end of that year where us

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<v Speaker 7>the girl disappeared On January fifth of ninety two, on

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<v Speaker 7>New Year's Eve, they had a press conference where the

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<v Speaker 7>police station was then, and they got so desperate that

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<v Speaker 7>they had looked up a psyche out of Florida and

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<v Speaker 7>this woman from this psyching in Florida. Based on her description,

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<v Speaker 7>they had drawings there two men, and they said, if

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<v Speaker 7>anybody knows these people, the police you said, we'd like

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<v Speaker 7>to hear from our words to that effect. So the

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<v Speaker 7>case was not just put in a drawer and showed

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<v Speaker 7>to the back. This was nearly a year later to

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<v Speaker 7>the day. In fact, it lacked five days being here

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<v Speaker 7>to the day, and they were still trying to solve it.

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<v Speaker 1>Phone calls flooded in from people who thought they recognized

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<v Speaker 1>the police sketches. They didn't lead to any arrest, though

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<v Speaker 1>none of us knew it at the time, but Sergeant

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<v Speaker 1>Brown did have a different lead, or maybe a hunch.

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<v Speaker 1>He zeroed in on the guys Kelly had been dating

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<v Speaker 1>prior to her disappearance. Of particular interest was Chris Denton,

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<v Speaker 1>a fellow senior at Gilmer High School. But neither Chris

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<v Speaker 1>nor any of Kelly's other exes looked like the suspects

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<v Speaker 1>in the police sketch. We'll go deeper into Chris Denton's

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<v Speaker 1>story later in the series.

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<v Speaker 7>He was once named publicly as the chief suspect, but

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<v Speaker 7>they never could apparently get the.

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<v Speaker 3>Goods of them and even never charged.

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<v Speaker 1>By this point, as far as most of us knew,

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<v Speaker 1>James Brown was still a trusted member of law enforcement,

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<v Speaker 1>but he also had a life outside of work, and

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<v Speaker 1>Sergeant Brown had met someone.

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<v Speaker 13>He was just a real outgoing kind person. He was tall,

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<v Speaker 13>in good shape, He was handsome to me, and his personality,

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<v Speaker 13>you know, has really what won me over, because he

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<v Speaker 13>was just a real kind individual.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Penny. She was soon to be Penny Brown.

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<v Speaker 13>He was working on that case when I met him.

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<v Speaker 13>I wasn't familiar with that case at all. He didn't

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<v Speaker 13>share cases Case Stiles with me. I'd say maybe about

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<v Speaker 13>a month after I met him, we started dating and

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<v Speaker 13>we really enjoyed each other's company. Real happy, outgoing, hard

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<v Speaker 13>working person.

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<v Speaker 1>By this time, and the search for Kelly was entering

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<v Speaker 1>its second year and it really seemed to be going nowhere.

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<v Speaker 1>But James and Penny were in love. In November nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety three, just ten months after the couple met, they

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<v Speaker 1>got married at the local Methodist church.

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<v Speaker 14>Oh.

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<v Speaker 13>I was ecstatic I was really happy, very happy. We

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<v Speaker 13>returned from our honeymoon and I we both went back

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<v Speaker 13>to work and just trying to think. I don't know

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<v Speaker 13>if it was a month later or a month and

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<v Speaker 13>a half later that I was at home with my

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<v Speaker 13>daughter and he had gone out of town to a school.

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<v Speaker 13>What it had to do with law enforcement.

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<v Speaker 1>James Brown had been at law enforcement training in College Station,

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<v Speaker 1>three and a half hours south of Gilmour when a

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<v Speaker 1>SWAT team descended on the training facility and took him

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<v Speaker 1>into custody. Penny was back home in Gilmer when she

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<v Speaker 1>heard a knock.

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<v Speaker 6>On the door.

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<v Speaker 13>The chaplain came by my house and told me that

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<v Speaker 13>he was either arrested or was going to be arrested

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<v Speaker 13>for the kidnapping, rape, and murder of Kellen Wilson. And

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<v Speaker 13>I was dumbfounded. I was just blown away. It was

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<v Speaker 13>very shocking.

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<v Speaker 1>The sensational news of James Brown's arrest tore through East

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<v Speaker 1>Texas and beyond. Everybody was stunned. It turns out there

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<v Speaker 1>was another investigation going on at the same time as

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<v Speaker 1>the search for Kelly, an investigation that led not just

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<v Speaker 1>to Sergeant Brown, but to seven other men and women

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<v Speaker 1>who were already in jail on other terrible charges. Almost

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<v Speaker 1>two years to the day after Kelly disappeared from the

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<v Speaker 1>Downtown Square in Gilmer, Texas, the police sergeant who was

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be leading the search was instead thrown in

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<v Speaker 1>jail indicted in the kidnapping, sexual assault, and death of

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly Day Wilson. Brown showed no emotion and made no

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<v Speaker 1>comment as he passed through the hallway leading to the jail.

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<v Speaker 1>Brown's bond is six hundred and fifty thousand.

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<v Speaker 4>Dollars the murder, kidnapping, and rape of seventeen year old

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<v Speaker 4>Kelly Wilson.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm innocent.

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<v Speaker 11>I'm looking forward to a coordinated as soon as possible

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<v Speaker 11>so that the truth can come out and.

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<v Speaker 3>I can be acquitted.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe even more shocking, if that's possible, was how and

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<v Speaker 1>why Brown and these other folks had supposedly pulled off

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<v Speaker 1>a crime more heinous than any of us could have imagined.

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<v Speaker 12>It's feared she was kidnapped, raped and murdered by a

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<v Speaker 12>group locals are calling a satanic cult, and that Kelly

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<v Speaker 12>may have actually been eaten in a ritualistic killing.

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<v Speaker 11>For the past two years, Sergeant James Brown has been

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<v Speaker 11>the only investigator on the Wilson case.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a j he volunteered for.

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<v Speaker 11>Now he's a suspect in her disappearance.

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<v Speaker 1>Deviltown is a production of Imperative Entertainment. It was written

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<v Speaker 1>and created by me Wes Ferguson. Executive producer is Jason Hoak.

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<v Speaker 1>Audio engineering and editing by Shane Freeman and Jason Hoak.

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<v Speaker 1>Original score is by Robert Ellis, recording by Austin Sissler

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<v Speaker 1>at Eastside Studios. If you like the show, leave a

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