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Speaker 1: Welcome back, everyone to a new episode of You're Wrong

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with Molly Hemingway, editor in chief of The Federalist and

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David Arsani, senior writer at the Washington Examiner. Just as

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a reminder, if you'd like to email the show, please

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do so at radio at the Federalist dot com. We'd

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love to hear from you, Molly. Have you heard the

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big news what David Jeff Bezos just dropped a tweet

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which I think is a pretty long tweet. You thought

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it was kind of a short tweet about how he

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is reimagining the edit page to have two pillars, basically

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philosophical pillars that it will defend. One is I've got

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how he said it, individual liberty, personal liberty, and the

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other are free markets. He brought this up to the

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current or recent recent editorial page editor David Shipley, and

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David Shipley was not.

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Speaker 2: Interested in defending those two pillars, and he quit.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's not quite accurate. What he said about David

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Shipley was that he strongly encouraged him that unless the

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answer wasn't hell yes to the new vision for the

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edit page, that it had to be in no. And

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it says he gave it careful consideration and decided to

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step away. So it's not quite that he out and

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out was a monster who refused or anything, but just

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that it didn't seem the right fit.

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Speaker 1: But there's some liberties and capitalism are not the right

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fit for an American editorial page.

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Speaker 2: It's weird.

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Speaker 3: Well, even before we got to that part, I thought

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it was really funny. He says. There was a time

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when a newspaper, especially one that was a local monopoly,

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might have seen it as a service to bring to

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the reader's doorstep every morning a broad based opinion section

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that sought to cover all views. Today, the internet does

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that job. And it's like, Okay, if you thought that

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what you were doing at the Washington Post was bringing

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a wide variety of like all the views to the

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reader's doorstep with a broad based opinion section, you are wrong.

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The Washington Post has never been seen as as doing that.

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But yes, he says, now they want to focus. I

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thought it was a bit nebulous, Like, I will be honest,

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when I saw that free markets and personal liberties was

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where he wanted to take things. That does sound like

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your brand.

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Speaker 2: Right, It is my brand.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I don't want to be at odds with

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what I'm about to say, which is, I'm not quite

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sure what he means by personal liberties, and like, how

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does this work out on an editorial page? Free markets?

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What does that mean? Exactly? What does the focus on

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personal liberties mean exactly? Like does this mean? Like how

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does that? How does that play out?

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Speaker 1: I would me, I don't not him. Free markets are

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probably you know, free markets mean you know, you know,

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low regulations, probably low towerffs. The ability of people to

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make their decisions, uh, you know, their economic decisions without

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the state state interference probably helps him.

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Speaker 2: He's a free market guy.

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Speaker 1: I assume personal liberties for me, I assume on from

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his end might mean free expression rights. I'm sure it

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won't mean Second Amendment to protections, though perhaps new you know,

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new people come in will allow at least for there

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to be dissent on that issue.

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Speaker 3: Process we just stop on the on the free speech thing.

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Jeff Bezos owns Amazon famously, which does digital book burning

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for titles it does not, like, you know, Ryan Anderson

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wrote an excellent book on the radical trans agenda that

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was digitally book burned for five years by Jeff Bezos.

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So like this idea that he suddenly cares about people

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being free from censorship or that he cares about free

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expression is very hard for me to believe. So I

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like the phrase, but like, he doesn't really seem like

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someone who cares about personal liberties. And then I'm worried

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he means it in the way that is like I

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think you should have the liberty to end the life

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of your unborn child, or something like that.

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Speaker 2: I look at it this way. You're right about all

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of that. He's had a terrible record.

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Speaker 1: Washington Post, in my view, is one of the worst

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papers in America. It has I'm not even exaggerating legit

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racists pro hamas voices on its edit page. Right, and

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that's bad. His history of banning books on Amazon is bad.

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But isn't it better that we have someone at least

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trending in perhaps the right direction.

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Speaker 3: Really, that's why I'm not I'm more asking questions than

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just being right Hostyle. I think it is a better.

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Speaker 1: Move if they even balance that page to some extent.

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Speaker 2: I think that's that's great, you know.

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Speaker 3: I mean their foreign policy views. Everybody fits into one

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of two categories, right, they're either neocons or they're literal

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terrorist supporters sometimes both.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's I mean that the neocons are kind

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of left over. They hired Concern even Crowdhammer who's hired there,

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and George Will has been there since nineteen seventy two,

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I think, I mean, I wouldn't call him a neocon actually,

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but you know they come from a different time. Well,

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I mean, you made a face, George Will. I mean,

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I've read a lot of his books and stuff. I mean,

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he came out he what must have been the first

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conservative who said the Iraq War was on a major

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edit paid saying the Iraq War was wrong and mistake

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and all that whatever. I'm just saying, I don't think

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he's like a full fledged neocon type Crowdhammer was, and

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I honestly, I don't even know what other concernstives are

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on their page right now.

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Speaker 2: But I think it's good.

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Speaker 1: I think it shows that he realizes that there's something

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wrong with a paper in Washington. And I work in

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a paper in Washington as conservative, but you know that

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there's a paper there that doesn't really reflect the views of.

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Speaker 2: The country at all. Right, I just want to race

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for them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and years ago, I'm still stuck on George Will.

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He was all in on the Iraq War until the

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one thing. So I'm still sore and bitter about everything

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because I suffered the slings and arrows of being opposed

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to the Iraq War, which led a lot of conservative

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people to say that people like me were unpatriotic conservatives.

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You are right that you always pointed out that everyone

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loved the Iraq War at the beginning, and then later

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they all turned against it. George Will is one of

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those people. But the moment that he turned away from

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it was at the one moment that I actually think

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the war effort was going well. So he decided to

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turn against the Iraq War during the surge, which in

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my view was more like, well, if we're going to

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be there, we might as well be there for real.

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I'm stuck on this.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, I don't remember the timeline anymore. Too much has

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gone on since then.

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Speaker 3: But having now, he's back to like, you know, putent obsession.

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Neocon's testyle so well, he's like, he's like, probably not

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even writing much.

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Speaker 1: Anymore, he writes, I've read him for a long time.

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I think he considers he does never considered himself a

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Neocon I think he's more you know, he always has

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considered himself. I would say more of a I mean

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he talks about Toryism and stuff like that, you know,

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in the British sense. I don't even know who's there

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writing from a conservative viewpoint. Certainly, I don't know anyone

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who's there writing vigorously in defense of personal freedoms or

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free market. They're, like I was saying, there are Hamas

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apologists on that page.

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Speaker 2: I don't think there's a is there.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I don't even know if there's a pro Israel

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voice in the whole paper, And that's not an.

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Speaker 2: I don't know it is. Tell me who named them?

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Speaker 3: Mark Tison, Mark Tieson, who loves to write about foreign policy,

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is a very strong voice.

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Speaker 2: I forgot about him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so he I would consider probably more of a

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Neocon than George will Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Oh absolutely. I don't read much of the Washington Post

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opinion page anymore, just because it's not worth it. But

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I do read Mark because he's a colleague and friend

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at Fox, and I like, you know, like to fight him,

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so I like to know what he's saying. And then

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the only person I actually like find his opinions interesting,

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like separate from personal relationship or anything like that would

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be Jason Willock.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he is not regularly.

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Speaker 1: I I stopped subscribing because I what is her name,

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Karen Attila or whatever her name is, is on there

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and others like that, and I just couldn't in good

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conscience give them my money anymore. But he seems like

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a guy who is actually I would say probably a

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free on the free market defender side, right, He's kind

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of more on the economic side usually. So Yeah, I

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like his writing.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for people who think the Washington Post is a

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legitimate paper, that it would be good to write it,

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and I don't put myself in that category. They should

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hire you to do this. You are like the answer

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to the Jeff Bezos job placement ad. Well, you've got

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the track record to prove it. But I wouldn't want

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to work there if my life depended on it. Sorry,

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I do not have any respect or regard for that publication.

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They're Russia collusion hoax and other things like that that

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they win Pulitzers for what they did to Brett Kavanaugh,

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Complete Information Operation, what they did about COVID, Complete information Operation.

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They are government toadies like regime toties of the worst kind.

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They cheerleader.

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Speaker 1: I have an excellent job, so you know that's that.

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Speaker 2: I want to say this.

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Speaker 1: I did work at a paper where I was basically

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the only conservative, and it's a lot of fun poking

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your finger in the eye of people colleagues you work with,

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who are I think not just wrong, but often dishonest

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or corrupt. There was a funny uh, if I can

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read this quick Jeff Stein, who writes there he's an

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economics writer tweet. His tweet says, massive, massive encroachment by

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Jeff Bezos into the Washington Post opinion session today?

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Speaker 2: Does he not realize that the.

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Speaker 1: Owners of papers decide the philosophical position of the editorial page,

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meaning that is the paper's official position. It's not reporting.

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I mean, there can be reporting an opinion, but that's

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not the point. When I was at a paper on

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an editorial board, the owner would come down and veto

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Speaker 3: I want to know who does that person think should

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be in charge of setting editorial policy. I'm serious.

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Speaker 2: The Democratic Party obviously.

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Speaker 3: Think hired him. Who does he think hired the person

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who hired him? Does he think the purpose of the

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paper's editorial section is like, there's such you realize these

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people are not deep thinkers about things. They have these

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very silly little statements that don't mean anything upon even

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a moment's inspection, Like we should have independence from the

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person who pays me.

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Speaker 2: Now, I wait, can I.

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Speaker 3: Just say Philip Bump also did this? Philip Bump, who

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got his start writing for left wing union publication.

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Speaker 2: I think.

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Speaker 3: He tweeted out what the bleep? And it just made

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me happy. Like he's opposed to personal liberty and the

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free market, so he's he's in trouble.

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Speaker 2: He hates personal freedom.

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Speaker 3: Girl, you're in danger, Philip Bump.

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Speaker 1: I mean there's an aspect of this is that it's

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just business. When you have a big paper that you

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run into the ground because it's become this progressive propaganda outfit.

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It's bad for business. The Washington I don't remember the

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exact numbers, but didn't it lose like seventy mil last year?

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I mean, you know, he doesn't want to prop up

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something that's losing him seventy million. I don't care how

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much money you have. That's just bad for business. So

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part of that is this too.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm.

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Speaker 1: Critical of the pundit class these days. I'm not listen,

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I'm part of it. Whatever, But there's too much group think,

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there's not enough good writing, there's not enough contrarianism, there's

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not enough intellectual debate about real issues. And the Washington

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Post has been a big part of that problem.

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Speaker 3: So one of the things that's so weird about our

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current moment is that we are jumping headlong into AI

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different kinds of communication. And I'm a little worried about

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people no longer reading their news and also how that

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shapes the depth of they're thinking. So I'll be curious

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to see how everybody handles this. But dangerous interesting opportunities ahead.

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Speaker 4: Buster Poindexter is back because inflation is hot, Hot Hot.

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this to ourselves for a long period of time because

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inflation is not going away. Whether it's happening in DC

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or down on Wall Street, it's affecting you financially.

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Speaker 1: Well, I do have to say about more than ten

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years ago, I was working at a publication that was

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actually exists in a different form, but it was called

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Human Events, and the editor there, or one of the

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people running it was like, you know, we're moving towards video.

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I just want video. I just want you know, short

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like you know, five lines and video. But I think

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there's always going to be I hope, at least a

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portion of the population that just likes to read good

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writing and likes to read things. And it's obviously not

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as big as it was, and it's going to change

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the news industry and all that, but it still exists.

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I think podcasts have had much a bigger effect on

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how we consume news, like just straight videos and stuff,

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don't you think?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely? And certainly in this last election. I after the

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during the inauguration weekend, one of the funnier things was

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that Spotify had all these different events and it was

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clear that they had started their company as a way

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to make money off of people sharing music, and much

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politics as people were making decisions on who to vote

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for based on some really high profile podcasts and the

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decline and strength of legacy media, it's palpable. Now. I'm

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not saying they don't have a decade or two left

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in them, or that they might pull a rabbit out

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of a hat, but we're really seeing changes and that

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is reflected I think also in what happened this week

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with the White House Correspondence Association.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, can I quickly before we get to that, say

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one quick thing I forgot to talk to Sorry, did

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you see that MSNBC laid off a bunch of people?

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I think Bezos maybe has made the biggest splash right now?

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Do realize what you're talking about? And are trying to

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balance and fix maybe situation a little bit to save themselves.

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I don't know where where MSNBC is going. I'm sure

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they're going to hire ridiculous, ridiculous people. Actually, they just

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hired the head of the Washington White House Press Association.

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Speaker 2: Did you see that? Even though they fired Joy Reid.

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Speaker 3: Eugene Daniels.

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Speaker 1: Who isn't he the one who smeared Rich Lowry with

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the N word thing? Was that him?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? He's a bit of a clown, Eugene Daniels. He's

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at Politico and is this has nothing to do with

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the journalism per se. But he is an interesting cat

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in that he likes to dress like an aging He's

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a black guy, but he likes to dress like an

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aging sort of white female senator. He wears these sort

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of frumpy suits.

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Speaker 1: But ladies, why can people be normal?

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Speaker 3: Whyre And it reminds me of I had a friend

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whose uncle was cross dressing, you know, decades ago when

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she was a little girl. She count came across him

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and she kind of scowled, and he got mad at

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her about tolerance, and she said, Uncle Tim, it's not

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that you're wearing a dress, it's the dress you're wearing.

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not that he's wearing a dress, it's the dress he's wearing,

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and it's distracting. But that has nothing to do.

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Speaker 2: With you're going to do this sort of thing. Do

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it right?

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Speaker 3: You're saying, right, you're gonna wear a dress, Like, let's

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work on what we're conveying with that, but not that

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there aren't you know, problems also with that. But the

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White House Correspondence Association is a cartel that has controlled

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for like one hundred years, or maybe not one hundred years.

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I don't remember when they started, do you know, I

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do not. So there's a challenge of covering the White House.

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There are all sorts of newspapers, radio stations, TV stations,

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other people who want to cover the White House, and

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there's a limited amount of space at the White House

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and you have to have some kind of order to it.

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And presidents used to handle thing, you know, the administration

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used to handle things on their own, and then they're

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developed a White House Correspondence Association, which was a cartel.

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To bring order to the whole process, you could have

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everyone take turns being in the pool. So the press

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pool is a group of people that cover the president

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when he's in town. There's also an out of town

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pool that cover him travel with him when he's away.

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This becomes important, like not to be macab but you know,

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a JFK getting shot, you want to have press with

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the person so that they can cover and report on

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what's happening in real time. So these these are really

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important functions, the handling of the pool. And it's also

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the means by which the White House Correspondence Association has

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been allowed to survive, because when it comes to their

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handling of the operations in the correspondence room, in the

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press briefing room, they've been pretty much a disaster for decades.

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They have, you know, traditions on who gets to ask

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questions and where those people get to sit. And if

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you're an outsider, you are shunned, snubbed, mocked, ridiculed, or banned.

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And so if you're these legacy outlets, you know, think

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Associated Press or you know the big legacy outlets that

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have become cartoonishly left wing, you have outsize amounts of power.

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And you see how this is reflected in the coverage

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of the first Trump administration, when you had you know,

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umichh Alsendor just being a crazy person screaming at the

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president or asking like ridiculously biased questions. All of the

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bias in the questions, like the a range of viewpoint

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that was allowed by the White House Correspondence Association was

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so narrow and so stifling, and so much about pushing

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left wing narratives and propaganda and all that. It was

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really damaging to the republic the way they kept out

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any other way of thinking, which was mostly affecting conservatives,

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but also even like fringe leftists or other people or

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religious groups or you know, there's all different kinds of

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media in our country, and they kept such a tight

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control over it. They were able to give so much

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power to the lefts to the left. Their political agenda

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was able to be pushed through in large part because

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of what the White House Correspondence Association was doing. And

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so yesterday Caroline Lovett said it's done, like we're no

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longer going to have them handle this issue, and people

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are melting down. What did you think of it, David.

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Speaker 2: I?

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Speaker 1: Don't love it. I understand it, I guess I would

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say so. I do think the the was it WHCA

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is basically a partisan, you know, hack, you know, corrupt

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group that it's kind of like a clique, right of

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people who have a certain outlook that act like ultra

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aggressive when there's a Republican president, especially Donald Trump and

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Grant Stand and then when Democrats are in power, they

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cover up things like the mental acuity of the president,

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you know, just cratering. So that's a problem. I don't

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love the idea of the state deciding who gets to

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cover them. The solution to this would be the White

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House Correspondence Association having diverse leadership and trying to be

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less biased about who they allowing to cover the president

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and get rid of these dumb traditions. Remember when what

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was her name, Helen Thomas or whatever would ask the

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first question why she was a complete, you know, ridiculous

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person in a hack. But I don't know what the

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solution is, so I don't love it. I don't like

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the idea of an administration getting to hand pick because

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obviously the next Democrat is going to do the same now,

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and I don't think that's great one last thing and

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then you can go off on me. I don't think

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it's that important. Like I don't think sitting in the

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White House, I don't think that I've ever heard big

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news reported from a pool reporter sitting, you know, asking

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a press you know something got a press conference, because

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they're always such a canned answer. So I don't think

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it's like as important as everyone thinks. Sorry, go on, okay.

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Speaker 3: I would like to address both points. First, on the

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idea that it's not good for the president to handle

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his own press pool because a Democrat would then handle

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their own press pool. If I could break that down

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into two parts, one, I actually totally agree with you.

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I would love to have an independent press association that

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took care of it so that it wasn't like a

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president gets to ask his favored people to call on

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him and gets to ban those other people. I would

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not be surprised if we see an alternate correspondence association develop,

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one that doesn't have all of the fatal flaws that

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the current White House Correspondence Association has. Just even on

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the handling of the pool, it would be good. You

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know who wants to handle that, Nobody, and it's just

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a bunch of loser reporters like myself, you know, like

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jockeying for time time to cover the president in town

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or away from town. I'm sorry when people say, well,

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if a Democrat were president, then they wouldn't call on conservatives.

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Welcome to the last one hundred years, which is where

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we saw that in action. We had under Biden working

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with the White House Correspondence Association. They cleared questions and

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wrote out the questions with the handy picture of the

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reporter that the person would. You know, Biden would call

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on the reporter, knowing the question that would be asked

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and have his response prepared. And that was all done

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in collusion with the White House Correspondence Association. So don't

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give me this like if a Democrat became president, it

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would be bad. It's been bad. That's what the White

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House Correspondent Association is. It's a gatekeeping cartel to help

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out democrat presidents. There's also the issue that our corporate

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media are, you know, and even if Jeff Bezos he's

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going to like slightly open the door to free markets,

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it's still overwhelmingly left wing. So you don't have to

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do anything and get a huge advantage there. So I

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just it like enrages me when people, first of all,

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Democrats would do this. That's what they've been doing, that's

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all they've been doing.

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Speaker 1: I didn't say it in that tone of voice. But

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also I prefaced everything I said by by saying that

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they are a partisan hack group and it's ridiculous and

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they brought.

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Speaker 2: This on themselves. I agree with.

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Speaker 1: Everything you're saying now when you say the point, the

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point is though that the next Democratic White House might

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do the same it was doing, or it could even

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get worse.

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Speaker 2: It might get worse.

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Speaker 1: It might get worse, It can get worse, it can

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get worse.

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Speaker 3: So current situation with Democrats in office or otherwise is

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no access for any non regime supportive reporter. How does

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it get worse than that we haven't washed these.

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Speaker 1: I watched these Biden White House press conferences and there

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was a I forget his name right now, there was

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at least a Fox reporter there bringing things up that

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they didn't want to talk about constantly. That might be gone.

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Now that's all I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I think about this, actually think about this. What

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if allowing Fox and Pete Deucy is awesome, Jucy to

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ask a question or two every one hundredth press conference

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wasn't just a means to keep the cartel going that

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if you did have a bunch of North Koreans without

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the one Pete Doocey when it should have been ninety

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percent Pete Doocey's not one. Everyone should have been Pete Deucy.

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Everyone should have been asking the questions he was asking.

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But by letting him in, it made it seem like, well,

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the normal thing is for all of us to be

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left wing activists, but we're okay because we let Pete

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Doucy ask one question every three months.

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Speaker 1: I don't disagree, but that's why I take it quick.

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Christ is wrong for it. That's all I'm saying. Having

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the state decide who gets to ask it questions is problematic.

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Don't you don't you agree with that statement on its own?

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Speaker 3: Do you think I thought James Toronto had a great

478
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way of looking at this. When the AP sued Trump

479
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over not getting to be riding on Air Force one,

480
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he said, I interviewed Justice Samuel Alito twice last year.

481
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If after the first interview he decided he didn't want

482
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to speak with me, again, would that be a problem,

483
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And that's basically the question that's the state.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 1: I agree, Yes, he's right on ap But an open

486
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press conference and open forum like that where you have

487
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just reporters from every you know, you're supposed to have

488
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reporters from every major and even not exactly major outlet,

489
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I don't think the state should be able to say,

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you know, I think it's problematic that the White House

491
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gets to decide who asks the questions. That's all I'm saying.

492
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I don't disagree with any of the things that press

493
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that came before it.

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Speaker 2: You're right about all of that.

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Speaker 3: I don't totally agree. And that's why I said I

496
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wouldn't be surprised if we see a move for a

497
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,240
better White House Correspondence Association, one that's not so corrupt

498
00:27:07,319 --> 00:27:09,880
is the one that we had for the last few decades.

499
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But it's also not healthy to have a situation where

500
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your national security is compromised by the incompetence of the

501
00:27:20,519 --> 00:27:23,240
press Corps, by the corruption of the press corps. So

502
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you're to say, like, okay, yes, during the first Trump term,

503
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to give just a few examples, the entirety of the

504
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,799
press Corps that was allowed into the White House, pushed

505
00:27:35,799 --> 00:27:40,440
the Russia collusion hoax the entirety, which could have led

506
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,440
to nuclear World war because of how much it was

507
00:27:44,519 --> 00:27:49,119
leading into hysteria in foreign policy. You had an information

508
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:53,920
operation pushed by Jeff Bezos's Washington Post to falsely accuse

509
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,319
a federal judge with a stellar record of secretly being

510
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:02,400
a serial gang rapist. Had the moment the COVID virus

511
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:09,720
was released, that press corp blaming Trump, calling anyone who

512
00:28:09,799 --> 00:28:13,440
mentioned the Wuhan Institute of Virology that studies coronavirus is

513
00:28:13,799 --> 00:28:17,880
a conspiracy theorist that was also Jeff Bezos's company. I

514
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:18,960
have something to say about this.

515
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Speaker 2: Two.

516
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Speaker 3: Actually, I just want to do a quick sidebar on

517
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the Jeff Bezos thing. Jeff Bezos claims he's for free markets, right,

518
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:34,640
yet his paper pushed the COVID hysteria. The COVID hysteria

519
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,400
led to the shuttering of so many businesses that provide

520
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:42,240
in person goods and services so that people would be

521
00:28:42,319 --> 00:28:45,799
moved to the Amazon platform, where he made so much

522
00:28:45,839 --> 00:28:49,359
money during COVID. I love hearing him say that he's

523
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:54,839
for free markets again. I think his interests were aligned

524
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to make people more hysterical about a COVID virus for

525
00:29:00,039 --> 00:29:05,599
business gain, but point just being I agree. I don't

526
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,160
like the idea of any president completely deciding who gets

527
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,680
in or not, but it's not a complete decision of

528
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,400
his meaning there is way in from other people. The

529
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,279
reason why they're they're breaking up the White House Correspondence

530
00:29:18,279 --> 00:29:21,319
Association cartel is because of outrage from the American people.

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No institution on Earth has a lower approval rating than

532
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the American media. They've done this to themselves. The American

533
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,480
people are outraged at what the media have done to

534
00:29:31,519 --> 00:29:34,319
this country their support of censorship. And that's another thing

535
00:29:34,759 --> 00:29:38,519
I was screaming about a moment ago when I personally

536
00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:42,200
was censored when the Federalists went through. It's horrific censorship,

537
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,599
which is still the latent issues are ongoing. Nobody in

538
00:29:45,599 --> 00:29:48,319
the White House Correspondence Association said a word that the

539
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,480
White House was working to censor us. So when they

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00:29:51,519 --> 00:29:55,160
claim they care about free independent press and freedom of

541
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the press and freedom of speech and all this like

542
00:29:57,039 --> 00:30:00,559
First Amendment stuff, they're liars. They've had opportunit unities to

543
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,599
demonstrate it and they failed. They receive awards from Joe

544
00:30:04,599 --> 00:30:10,240
Biden while he's censoring the press. They're just they're beneath content.

545
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Speaker 1: As you know. I don't disagree with any of that.

546
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,880
We've gone over it. This is a reflection I believe

547
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of or it's kind of like the same thing that

548
00:30:21,319 --> 00:30:24,519
goes on in all institutions that no one believes in anymore.

549
00:30:24,559 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 2: You know, they've just the Left has destroyed have destroyed

550
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:27,640
these institutions.

551
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Speaker 1: So it's like public health or you know, we don't

552
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,680
believe anything they say, it's hy RFK, juniors in the administration,

553
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,200
or you know, tons of other areas. All I'm saying

554
00:30:36,319 --> 00:30:39,640
is that it's like after nine to eleven. This isn't

555
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,200
a perfect analogy. After nine to eleven, everyone was scared

556
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of everything. We passed the Patriot Act. I just think

557
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,960
sometimes you have to think about the solution that you're

558
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,519
coming up with, how it's going to impact things in

559
00:30:49,559 --> 00:30:52,160
the long run, and what kind of presidents you're setting.

560
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Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying.

561
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Speaker 3: Let me just say this, speaking for the Federalist we

562
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have been barred from We've done better reporting than anybody

563
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,640
out there on all the big issues of the day,

564
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,799
and we've done it with no resources and no access

565
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,480
that all of these cartel members have. Because of these changes,

566
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we will be in White House press briefings. That's a change.

567
00:31:12,119 --> 00:31:14,519
I like, you were fine with keeping us out, You

568
00:31:14,559 --> 00:31:17,160
were fine with us like not having access there. But

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it's actually a hard thing to be barred from doing

570
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reporting in the White House. You said it wasn't important too.

571
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That was the other thing I wanted to come after

572
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:27,119
you for.

573
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Speaker 1: I put a little just add something to that. I

574
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,039
don't think it's as important as people think. I'm not

575
00:31:35,079 --> 00:31:38,079
saying it's completely unimportant. I'm saying we rarely learn anything

576
00:31:38,079 --> 00:31:40,519
in a White House press conference. It's different being on

577
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Air Force one, it's different going with the president to

578
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Germany or whatever. But in that press conference is grand

579
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,160
is press is a report? Is grandstanding?

580
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Speaker 3: Going agreed, we rarely learn anything in a press conference.

581
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But that's an argument against the White House Correspondence Association. Take,

582
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,480
for example, the story of Joe Biden being too mentally

583
00:32:02,559 --> 00:32:05,880
unfit to be president. Did we ever learn from the

584
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:10,079
White House Correspondence Association about that situation there? Or did

585
00:32:10,119 --> 00:32:14,119
the White House Correspondence Association collude with other Democrats to

586
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:19,960
violently attack anyone who raised questions about Joe Biden's mental acuity.

587
00:32:20,319 --> 00:32:23,759
We didn't learn. And that's the problem. We didn't learn

588
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,880
during COVID because we were too busy getting a message

589
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,839
of hysteria pushed in the press briefings by the White

590
00:32:29,839 --> 00:32:33,200
House Correspondence Association members. Like we didn't. We don't learn

591
00:32:33,279 --> 00:32:36,160
anything because all they're doing is pushing narratives. They're not

592
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reporting news. Opening up the White House press briefings to

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actual reporters from a variety of ways of in places

594
00:32:43,759 --> 00:32:47,000
and you know, ways of thinking will certainly bring more

595
00:32:47,079 --> 00:32:51,960
news than we got from this decrepit decaying like evil,

596
00:32:52,359 --> 00:32:53,400
awful organization.

597
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Speaker 1: So you're telling me, first of all, again I agree

598
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with what you're saying about the press. You're telling me though,

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that Donald Trump decides or someone whoever is in charge

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of deciding who gets to go in there, and and

601
00:33:03,759 --> 00:33:07,319
let's brite bart In and all these other you know,

602
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,480
pro Trump outlets, they're going to start asking tough questions

603
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of the president.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. So you're saying the only outlets that

605
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should be in there are pro Democrat.

606
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,839
Speaker 1: I'm saying that. I am not saying that. I'm saying

607
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I want to miss I'm saying Trump.

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Speaker 3: Is so it's so ridiculous. Like the New York Times,

609
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the Washington Post, all of the media outlets, they are

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pro not just Democrats, but like the worst part of

611
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the democrat part.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm sorry I picked up why do you pick

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any pick if you put yes, But if you give

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the power to the state, in the end, they're not

615
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:45,039
going to have a variety of journalists asking tough questions

616
00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:48,279
of them. They're going to pick lackeys you could get

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as man as. That's what was happening and that's what

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will happen moving forward.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, David, we had the White House Correspondence

620
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Association deciding who got to ask questions, and the result

621
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is no diversity of thought.

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Speaker 2: You're arguing against something.

623
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Speaker 3: I'm not saying if this happens, then we won't have

624
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diversity of thought. We already haven't had diversity.

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Speaker 1: So I'm saying that the prescriptions no better, That's all

626
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I'm saying. I'm saying we need to come up with

627
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a better idea. You're saying there's going to be a

628
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,440
new association that's going to bring in diverse voices. That's great,

629
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But if the state alone is going to decide who

630
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asks us questions. Trust me, In the end, that state

631
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:28,320
will not have any kind of competing ideological viewpoint out there,

632
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and it will never go out of its way to

633
00:34:30,559 --> 00:34:32,559
bring people in who are going to ask tough questions.

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Speaker 3: It's just never, by the way, it just doesn't. It's

635
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,639
just not true. Okay, Donald Trump loves talking to left

636
00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:41,840
wing press because that makes him work. I'm not saying

637
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:46,039
today every other Republican is a coward who's too afraid

638
00:34:46,079 --> 00:34:47,920
to say no to the New York Times. So they're

639
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,119
all going to be like hungry for that kind of stuff.

640
00:34:50,519 --> 00:34:53,599
The danger is not with people on the right not

641
00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:58,280
being open to left wing media, but with institutions that

642
00:34:58,519 --> 00:35:02,519
enable Democrats to be detected from any tough questioning whatsoever.

643
00:35:02,679 --> 00:35:05,000
And so you are right, that is a concern. But

644
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,840
we're not in a worse place now than we were yesterday.

645
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying we are.

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Speaker 1: And actually I think Donald Trump benefits from that, those

647
00:35:14,119 --> 00:35:18,800
kind of aggressive questions and grand standing of journals. I

648
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,039
think his best moments are pushing back against those people.

649
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But that's not what the future holds. I don't think

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everyone is going to you know, other administrations is going

651
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to act the same.

652
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Speaker 3: I do want the right to get out of this

653
00:35:30,159 --> 00:35:33,920
mindset though, which is well, actually we're helped by a

654
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,840
left wing press because we're able to tee off. There's

655
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truth to that, like how I get animated when I

656
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,719
disagree with you, I make more sense than when i'm

657
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,639
when I'm we're agreeing or whatever. Like, I get that.

658
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But it's also true that when like one hundred percent

659
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of the questions are framed so that the Republican has

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to dig himself out of a pit before he can

661
00:35:55,000 --> 00:36:00,440
advance his agenda, that decades of that accumulates into well

662
00:36:00,639 --> 00:36:02,679
what we've experienced for the last few decades, which is

663
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just the left rolling over everything and advancing its agenda.

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It would be fun to have questions, for instance, at

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the White House. Look did you see when Trump was

666
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,599
like Elon's doing all right, but he's not doing enough.

667
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And I think it would be great to have questions

668
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from people who are like, Doge is all right, but

669
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I'm a little nervous, You're not doing enough, instead of

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having one hundred percent of the questions being like the

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federal employees are nervous, you know it just it would be.

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Speaker 1: I just want quickly and say, you keep misrepresenting my position.

673
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I'm pretty mad about that. I'm angered by that. I

674
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didn't say that we need a left wing media or

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you know, to make us better, or whatever you said

676
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I said. I mean, I'm saying that I want a

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media that is aggressive and that is antagonistic to those

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00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,840
in power. Want that all the time, just against Trump.

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And so I think we agree on that. We have

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a good segue.

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Speaker 3: We agree, but we like fight on our way to agreement.

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Speaker 1: Listen, whether it's Donald Trump in there or Joe Biden,

683
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whoever's next. I think we should be skeptical of power.

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That's it, you know, and that's what the media I

685
00:37:21,079 --> 00:37:23,800
should say. I think the journalists should be skeptical of power.

686
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They're not half half the time, and that's a huge problem.

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Speaker 3: I can't say what I think should happen to the

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00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:33,360
media because I'm just I'm done.

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Speaker 1: If you're listen, and if you're just going to be

690
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a lackey for power people in power, then you're not

691
00:37:38,039 --> 00:37:40,800
really really a journalist anymore in my estimation. And so

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you know, when I say media, I just say what

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we consider the media and not what I actually think

694
00:37:44,679 --> 00:37:46,320
the media would look should look like.

695
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 3: So I just want to also say that The Federalist

696
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has taken one editorial position during its entire history, and

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it was that the White House Correspondence Association dinner should

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have should be destroyed, and so should the people who

699
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love it. And so that was eleven years ago that

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we published that at our Soul editorial, and I could

701
00:38:08,159 --> 00:38:10,639
not be happier that after eleven years of working to

702
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,599
make people understand how evil the White House Correspondence Association is,

703
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that we have finally got it on the chopping.

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Speaker 1: Was that editorial, and obviously I was working at the

705
00:38:20,559 --> 00:38:24,079
Federalist at the time. Was that White House Correspondence editorial,

706
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the one where where Barack Obama mocked Donald Trump?

707
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Speaker 3: You know, it was in twenty fourteen, and the Barack

708
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,440
Obama thing was twenty eleven, But it was at the

709
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heyday of the White House Correspondence Association dinner where, because

710
00:38:40,119 --> 00:38:42,960
of Barack Obama, everyone in DC, all of these like

711
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grade you know, just like low level, ugly people who

712
00:38:51,079 --> 00:38:53,360
aren't that smart, thought that they were celebrities and they

713
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,760
would invite celebrities and they would treat it like it

714
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,199
was a really cool, awesome dinner as everyone talked about

715
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how much they loved Barack Obama and couldn't possibly have

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anything critical to say about him, and it was just

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a great example of how the organization had been co opted.

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Speaker 1: But the twenty eleven Correspondence dinner's the fulcrim of history.

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That's the day that that Obama made front of Trump,

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and Trump's like, all right, now, I'm going to destroy

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your legacy. And that's why we have Trump today. It

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is this central pivoting point of all modern life.

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Speaker 3: I really encourage everyone to watch that if they haven't

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seen it. You can see Donald Trump's face and you

725
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,039
can read it. You can be like, oh, he's deciding

726
00:39:31,079 --> 00:39:33,840
that he will have to become president now, and then

727
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here we are fourteen years later in the second term

728
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of Trump. It's just an amazing story.

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Speaker 1: There's this great meme where the guy has these huge dominoes,

730
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starts out with the little one, but ends with this

731
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huge one, and you know, in the little one you put,

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you know, correspond to twenty eleven Correspondence dinner, and then

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the end you so Gaza, you know Trump Gaza Casino.

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Speaker 2: You know. So did you see that video he put out?

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Speaker 1: No, Oh my God, you put it out an ai

736
00:39:59,039 --> 00:40:03,159
VI video c called Gaza's Trump or something Trump's Gaza.

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Speaker 2: And it's this.

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Speaker 1: It looks like an ad for like a resort, like

739
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a Sandals resort, and there's a huge cold statue.

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Speaker 2: Of Trump and there are like deli dancers and casinos.

741
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Speaker 3: And I did when he first proposed this idea, I

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did have a vision of vacationing on the Mediterranean there,

743
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you know, like you could almost see it happening. It's nice,

744
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nice real estate there. I do want to say this

745
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other thing, which is, did you ever go to a

746
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White House Correspondence Association dinner?

747
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Speaker 2: No?

748
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Speaker 3: Okay, I don't know. I don't ever go to any

749
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parties associated with it.

750
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Speaker 2: In with the with the Association.

751
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Speaker 3: Now, yeah, like there always parties before and after. I

752
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don't know, but I was telling Sean Davis about we

753
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were proud of ourselves for never having gone and having

754
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you know, escaped it a variety of years. But Michael

755
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Bloomberg used to host parties after I think it was

756
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after the Correspondence dinner that were crazy. They would be

757
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:11,559
at the Russian Embassy. There would be like almost naked

758
00:41:11,599 --> 00:41:17,519
ladies with sushi on their bodies and celebrities. And I

759
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have no idea why mentioning this, except that time I

760
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fell down like a few stairs at the at the

761
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Russian Embassy holding a glass of champagne and did not

762
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spill my champagne. When I think about great things I've

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accomplished in life, for some reason that not spilling my

764
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champagne when I like tumble down the stairs is just

765
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it makes me feel really good, like I've accomplished a lot.

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Speaker 1: I'm surprised you had champagne at the Russian Embassy and

767
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not vodka at the Russian Embassy.

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Speaker 3: Had I remember they had like vodka ice towers where

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you could.

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Speaker 1: Like years ago, I worked for a years and years

771
00:41:54,199 --> 00:41:56,760
ago I worked for an agent, an NHL agent who

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represented Russian players, and we went out to dinner in

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Brighton Beach, which is like Russia in America. And I

774
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sat down at a table to eat and there was

775
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a you know, and everyone got their waters and I

776
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pick up the water to take a sip and it

777
00:42:08,199 --> 00:42:11,320
was a big glass and it was not water. So

778
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that was an interesting night for me. So you had

779
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mentioned earlier that and I had mentioned it that one

780
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of the sort of pivotal. I think corrupt moments of

781
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,840
the press in recent years is their cover up of

782
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Joe Biden's inability to speak, you know, to make decisions,

783
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you know, just like I said, collapse of his mental acuity.

784
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And fortunately for us, there's a book coming out that

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will tell us what happened. It's called Original Sin. President

786
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Biden's declined, its cover up, and his disastrous choice.

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Speaker 2: To run again. It's coming out May twentieth and its

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authors are Jake Tapper and Alex Thompson.

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Speaker 1: Alex House with Axios, and obviously Jake Tapper's with CNN.

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Now when I saw this, I immediately looked up what

791
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Jake Tapper had said about Joe Biden, and there's this

792
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instance I forget what year it happened, where he is.

793
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Basically he reprimands Laura is it Laura Trump for mocking

794
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Joe Biden's stutter when she pointed out that.

795
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Speaker 2: He can barely speak.

796
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Speaker 1: He this is like, this is like someone involved in

797
00:43:31,079 --> 00:43:35,559
Watergate doing an investigative journalism book on how Watergate was

798
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happened after the fact. I don't even know if that's

799
00:43:39,079 --> 00:43:39,800
a good analogy.

800
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,519
Speaker 3: No, I thought it was like oj Simpson writing a

801
00:43:42,519 --> 00:43:47,599
book called If I Did It, you know, like we

802
00:43:48,159 --> 00:43:51,119
in a way, they're perfectly placed to cover this story

803
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:55,760
because they did it. They did the cover up. And

804
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Alex Thompson was someone who I thought was all right,

805
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:02,199
by the way, until he went whole hog into the

806
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conspiracy theories surrounding the Madison Square Garden rally at the

807
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end of the twenty twenty four campaign, where he just

808
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:10,519
kind of lost the plot and I realized, like, oh,

809
00:44:10,559 --> 00:44:12,400
he's not who I thought he was. He was just

810
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deranged with conspiracy theories.

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Speaker 1: I think he's actually quite good. I mean, I get

812
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what you're saying. I don't think he's always good, but he,

813
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in my view, at least in that world, is sort

814
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of brave. I mean, he did I forget the stories

815
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on Kamala.

816
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Speaker 2: He did.

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Speaker 1: He talked about Biden at the time. I suspect he

818
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wrote this book for the most part, and Jake Tapper

819
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kind of like piggybacked onto.

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Speaker 3: It, you know, Okay, well, here's an argument against Alex Thompson.

821
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He thought it was a good idea to write a

822
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book with a noted unrepentant conspiracy theorist on multiple issues.

823
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Of course, Jake Tapper was the original author of CNN's

824
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:02,760
story about how the Christopher Steele dossier was so legitimate

825
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,079
that it had been brief to the president. He was

826
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being used as a conduit to get the dossier out,

827
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,760
and then he continued to push the Russia collusion hoax

828
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for years, with hundreds, probably thousands of mentioned. So not

829
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just that, he also was a Kavanaugh rape hooxer. When

830
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:25,639
Julie Swetnick, who claimed that Brett Kavanaugh and his buddies

831
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,360
were running a serial gang rape cartel that had like

832
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,519
repeatedly raped her and her friends, he treated that like

833
00:45:32,559 --> 00:45:35,840
a legitimate news story. So for Alex Thompson to say

834
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that's who I want to be associated with tells you

835
00:45:38,559 --> 00:45:40,800
everything you need to know about Alex Thompson, and it

836
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is not good.

837
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Speaker 1: I can't argue with that. I mean, obviously this is

838
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,960
about the fish snagels or the bling. You know, Jake

839
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,639
Tapper's a big name. It's probably going to sell a

840
00:45:49,679 --> 00:45:52,519
lot more with his name on it, and I think

841
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that's a bad choice for him.

842
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Speaker 3: Well, I want to do a few more on Alex toms.

843
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,039
Speaker 2: I keep going. When the.

844
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Speaker 3: You know Semophore News Ben Smith, the guy at Orosfeed

845
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,119
he asked, Alex Thompson, do you think the media missed

846
00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:12,039
the story of Biden's family. And yes, obviously, the massively

847
00:46:12,119 --> 00:46:14,920
lucrative Biden family business where you took money from foreign

848
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,599
oligarchs to to get access to DC was a big story.

849
00:46:18,639 --> 00:46:21,679
But in Alex Thompson's view, it was a family tragedy

850
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and a love story.

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Speaker 1: Listen, I'm sure you can go on and on. I'm

852
00:46:27,199 --> 00:46:30,159
just saying that in that world he's better than most.

853
00:46:30,199 --> 00:46:31,119
That's all I'm going to say.

854
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:35,039
Speaker 3: And his story on Madison Square Garden said the beginning

855
00:46:35,079 --> 00:46:38,360
of Donald Trump's rally at Madison Square Garden showcased opening

856
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,920
speakers who made racist, sexist, and crass remarks about Vice

857
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:47,000
President Kamala Harrison Puerto Ricans. That was straight up, unfiltered

858
00:46:47,039 --> 00:46:49,960
Democrat Party messaging at the close of the campaign. And

859
00:46:50,119 --> 00:46:53,440
just because Donald Trump one decisively does not change the

860
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,159
fact that that was intended to help out Democrats at

861
00:46:56,159 --> 00:46:58,079
the close of the campaign. So sorry to be so

862
00:46:58,079 --> 00:47:01,840
obsessed on Alex Thompson here, but it's a family tragedy

863
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,039
and love story. The Biden, the corupt family, Biden family business,

864
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,039
and he's pushing Democrat talking points and now we're supposed

865
00:47:08,039 --> 00:47:09,519
to trust him that he's going to tell the story

866
00:47:09,519 --> 00:47:12,320
correctly about how he and his buddies decided to cover

867
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,840
up the biggest scandal of Joe Biden not being having

868
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mental acuity.

869
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Speaker 2: Well, let me put it this way.

870
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Speaker 1: Then I believe that he's a lot better than Jake Tapper.

871
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:26,000
Oh yeah, and on this story he had, he did

872
00:47:26,039 --> 00:47:28,559
not participate in that cover. I don't have it in

873
00:47:28,639 --> 00:47:30,840
front of me, but I remember him talking about the

874
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:32,440
issue on numerous occasions.

875
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Speaker 2: I will say one thing.

876
00:47:33,559 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: Also, this book is about what's that like and his

877
00:47:38,079 --> 00:47:44,320
disastrous choice to run again. Now that sounds like they're

878
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,800
speaking for the Democratic But why is it disastrous? Because

879
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:51,159
Donald Trump won the presidency obviously, right, So I believe

880
00:47:51,159 --> 00:47:56,159
that even Joe Biden with declined acuity would have done

881
00:47:56,199 --> 00:47:59,239
better than Kamala Harrison the election. So I don't know

882
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,599
how disaster disastrous it really was.

883
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is.

884
00:48:03,159 --> 00:48:06,760
Speaker 1: It is interesting though that they wrote this book. Are

885
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,119
you going to read it? Do you have any interest

886
00:48:08,199 --> 00:48:09,480
in peaking in?

887
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,039
Speaker 3: I will wait for Ace of Spades to do a

888
00:48:12,119 --> 00:48:15,159
dramatic reading of the best parts. So Jake Tapper also

889
00:48:15,199 --> 00:48:20,599
writes fiction stuff that is not winning any literary awards,

890
00:48:20,599 --> 00:48:23,440
I don't think. And sometimes Ace of Spades does dramatic

891
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,400
readings of it, and I like to listen to that. No,

892
00:48:26,559 --> 00:48:28,440
I will probably not. I don't know. I might. I

893
00:48:28,519 --> 00:48:31,400
Reading books is like a secret reporter trick that more

894
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,480
people should follow. You get so much information and you

895
00:48:34,559 --> 00:48:37,400
realize how few people read books, Like do you remember

896
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:41,679
the guy who did the biography of Barack Obama in

897
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:46,000
which he revealed that Barack Obama was telling multiple women

898
00:48:46,199 --> 00:48:51,880
that he fantasized about being gay, and and it like

899
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,800
didn't become a news story for four or five years

900
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:56,079
after it was published.

901
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:58,199
Speaker 2: Rising Sun is the book.

902
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,679
Speaker 3: People really don't read these things, do they.

903
00:49:01,039 --> 00:49:03,800
Speaker 1: I think reading books is good. I'll read it quite

904
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,239
a bit of myself anyway.

905
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,519
Speaker 3: Jake, you're absolutely right. Despite I just I got set

906
00:49:09,559 --> 00:49:13,599
off on the Alex Thompson thing. You are absolutely right.

907
00:49:13,639 --> 00:49:17,679
He is much much better than Jake Tapper. But Jake

908
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:22,559
Tapper should be ridiculed and mocked for the audacity of

909
00:49:22,639 --> 00:49:26,320
this bleeper bleeper writing a book about a cover up

910
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,519
when he was not just a willing participant soldier in

911
00:49:29,559 --> 00:49:31,639
that cover up but kind of a field general.

912
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's one of the worst characters

913
00:49:35,679 --> 00:49:37,719
out there in the sense that not that he is

914
00:49:38,119 --> 00:49:40,760
says the worst things is that he pretends to take

915
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,280
this unbiased stand and he, for many years, as we've

916
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:48,719
spoken about here, would try to mold his public persona

917
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:53,239
with you, and you know, he would, especially on Twitter,

918
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,880
direct message you to try to have you not be

919
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,360
as critical of him or you know or whatever it

920
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:05,400
was that I find that really off putting. All right,

921
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,960
I think are we ready for culture? I don't even

922
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:09,000
know how long we've been going.

923
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 3: Was that it hold on Jake Tapper? Yeah, I think

924
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:15,599
we got everything.

925
00:50:17,639 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 2: Yep.

926
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 3: I mean we could talk about other SEFs. We can

927
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:22,280
save it for next week.

928
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,519
Speaker 2: It's a full blown media episode.

929
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Speaker 3: It's my favorite.

930
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 2: Yeah.

931
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Speaker 1: I again, I wouldn't really call them media a bunch

932
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,079
of propagandists.

933
00:50:36,519 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 2: What do I have here? Oh?

934
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Speaker 1: Can I make an announcement before we get to culture?

935
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Something personal, professional, professional about me?

936
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:45,199
Speaker 2: A person?

937
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Speaker 1: I'm having another child. I started a substack do you

938
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:52,599
know those things?

939
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 2: Yeah?

940
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 1: And where I collect all the things I wrote and

941
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,519
some random thoughts. But also this podcast will be on

942
00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:02,599
it can listen to it there if you're interested. It's

943
00:51:02,639 --> 00:51:06,880
at David Harsani dot substack dot com slash subscribe.

944
00:51:08,079 --> 00:51:08,679
Speaker 2: Let's talk about it.

945
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,159
Speaker 3: I'm also glad you said it was professional. People always

946
00:51:11,159 --> 00:51:14,119
say I have personal news. I'm moving from this job

947
00:51:14,199 --> 00:51:16,719
to this job, and I'm like, that could not be

948
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:18,400
less personal and more professional.

949
00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 2: I have some personal news.

950
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 3: Personal news I'm getting married or I'm having a kid.

951
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:25,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I am not.

952
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 1: This is not This is not an attack on anyone,

953
00:51:29,039 --> 00:51:31,400
if in case someone's listening. But when people leave their

954
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:36,639
jobs and write like these, long, like fifty paragraph goodbye

955
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:40,079
is like mentioning everyone. I really can't stand those. Now, listen,

956
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,800
I love I love jobs too, but you know you

957
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,519
should take that offline. We don't all need to participate

958
00:51:45,559 --> 00:51:46,559
in that. Do you know what I'm saying?

959
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 3: Well, my least favorite is when someone gets a lateral

960
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:53,360
job from one corrupt media organization to the next, and

961
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:59,480
people all congratulate that person publicly and talk about how

962
00:51:59,519 --> 00:52:00,960
great they are when they're not great.

963
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 2: Yeah.

964
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,679
Speaker 1: I mean I wrote about that this week. I tweeted

965
00:52:04,679 --> 00:52:07,559
about that this week because I forgot who was out

966
00:52:07,559 --> 00:52:09,440
there saying that at MSNBC.

967
00:52:09,559 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

968
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 1: Rachel Maddow went on TV and said you know, this

969
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,480
is really because they fired a bunch of people, including

970
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:18,239
racist dem wit Joy Reid, and she said, this is

971
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:20,400
really hard on the supports staff. You know that they're

972
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,360
worried about their jobs. Welcome to the real I work.

973
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:25,519
I mean, I've had a lot of jobs in media.

974
00:52:25,559 --> 00:52:28,760
I've been fired from jobs. You know, places have closed down.

975
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:32,320
Like how let's used to be competitive with each other.

976
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,000
They'd celebrate when the other people were losing. Now it's

977
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:38,800
like a wayward at home for Oberlin polysci grads to

978
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:43,840
like sit there forever and spread their propaganda. It's ridiculous, Thank.

979
00:52:43,679 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 3: You, No, I agree. I was talking to someone who

980
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:50,880
I was asking where their kid is going to work

981
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,280
when they finished college, and they said, well, not what

982
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:58,199
we thought for years, which was the federal government. It

983
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,679
won't be there. And I was like, okay, so where, Well,

984
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,199
we don't know because this is all so disruptive, and

985
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:08,199
it's like, well, what a weird dream to have first off,

986
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:10,519
And I mean I had dreamed of things like being

987
00:53:10,559 --> 00:53:12,360
a park ranger, so I guess it's not like the

988
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:13,199
craziest thing.

989
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:17,199
Speaker 1: But you're a park ranger. You put up an upside

990
00:53:17,199 --> 00:53:19,920
down American flag. Now at Yosemite.

991
00:53:20,559 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 3: I loved that. Okay, so there are fifteen hundred employees

992
00:53:24,039 --> 00:53:27,679
at Yosemite. Chris Bray wrote about this, and eleven of

993
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:29,960
them were let go and they threw it. They flew

994
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:33,280
an upside down flag over it. And also they claimed

995
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,239
that like they didn't know how to unlock or lock

996
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:36,159
bathrooms anymore.

997
00:53:36,159 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 2: There's only one I'm not joking. There was a reporter.

998
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:44,079
Speaker 1: There was only one person who had a key and

999
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,440
quote an institutional knowledge.

1000
00:53:49,199 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 2: Bathroom. I had a.

1001
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 1: Great idea, they should make me King of Yosemite, make

1002
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,480
more keys and hand them out to all the people

1003
00:53:57,519 --> 00:53:59,920
who work there. And you don't even need a thound

1004
00:54:00,039 --> 00:54:02,360
some people. You maybe one hundred people with keys I

1005
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:03,199
think would be fine.

1006
00:54:03,559 --> 00:54:07,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, heck, maybe maybe twenty would do it.

1007
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 1: Well, happened when this dude didn't come to work or

1008
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:12,840
this lady? Yeah did did no one get to go

1009
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,039
to the bathroom? Probably like shut down everything.

1010
00:54:15,599 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 3: So the other thing I loved about the upside down flag,

1011
00:54:18,039 --> 00:54:19,280
You know that they had time to do it and

1012
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:22,239
all that, and that it was treated as beautiful by

1013
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,639
corporate media. They were like, we saw the most beautiful thing,

1014
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,480
an upside down American flag. This is a cry from

1015
00:54:27,559 --> 00:54:30,639
the heart about how important it is to make sure

1016
00:54:30,679 --> 00:54:34,559
there's never any oversight or accountability of any federal agency,

1017
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:38,400
no matter what. And of course, it was a couple

1018
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,280
of years ago that The New York Times was asserting,

1019
00:54:41,519 --> 00:54:45,519
without any evidence, that there was only one reason anyone

1020
00:54:45,559 --> 00:54:48,599
in the world would ever fly an upside down flag,

1021
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:52,599
and that was because they were a J sixer. Because

1022
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:56,679
when Martha Alito, who's like a big flag enthusiast, flew

1023
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:59,039
her flag upside down in response to a conflict with

1024
00:54:59,079 --> 00:55:02,480
a neighbor, like, Nope, that's not true. There's only one reason,

1025
00:55:02,599 --> 00:55:05,840
and it's this. The New York Times did a series

1026
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,960
on symbols of j six where they were, like, we

1027
00:55:09,199 --> 00:55:13,679
exhaustively cataloged every sign and symbol associated with January six.

1028
00:55:14,039 --> 00:55:16,639
They did it like in January of twenty twenty one

1029
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:20,000
or February. They did not have an upside down flag there.

1030
00:55:20,039 --> 00:55:21,840
But then when it was used as a cudgel to

1031
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:26,599
write their seventy stories against Martha an Alito, and they

1032
00:55:26,639 --> 00:55:29,519
also got mad at her for flying the Appeal to

1033
00:55:29,559 --> 00:55:34,800
Heaven flag, which was you know, commission during the Revolutionary War.

1034
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,239
They also said that the only reason you would fly

1035
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:39,280
that was because you were a J sixer and they

1036
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:43,519
just were obsessed with it. But suddenly, now Yosemite upside

1037
00:55:43,519 --> 00:55:45,440
down flag. It's a miracle.

1038
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: I did a bit of research on this, actually npr YE,

1039
00:55:50,119 --> 00:55:54,920
but almost all of the all sort of lib outlets

1040
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,599
ran stories about how upside down flags were sort of

1041
00:55:57,599 --> 00:56:02,119
the new symbol of far It actually said far right,

1042
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:03,360
you know whatever.

1043
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:09,599
Speaker 2: It's just so funny. Yeah, I don't message either.

1044
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:11,800
Speaker 3: I think they send a message of distress where you're

1045
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,960
where you're actually supposed to be your The way I

1046
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,159
was taught was that it's physical distress. So like if

1047
00:56:17,159 --> 00:56:19,199
someone's flying upside down flag, what they're saying is come

1048
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:19,639
help me.

1049
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,199
Speaker 1: I think people are being melodramatic, I would say, but

1050
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:26,440
you know, yeah, I loved Appeal to Heaven flag though.

1051
00:56:26,519 --> 00:56:28,840
That's one of my favorites. It's just beautiful, you know.

1052
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:30,760
I love that flag, and it is.

1053
00:56:31,119 --> 00:56:33,679
Speaker 3: That at my house to make sure my neighbors love me.

1054
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:38,119
Speaker 2: Very popular in your neighborhood. I'm sure I.

1055
00:56:38,159 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 3: Am the secret right winger in the name, like not

1056
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,480
so secret right winger. So all of my neighbors, oh,

1057
00:56:44,679 --> 00:56:48,400
we have a neighbor who's who's adding a level to

1058
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,199
his house? And I was telling him I lived, you know,

1059
00:56:51,199 --> 00:56:53,880
down the street or whatever, and he was like, which

1060
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:55,719
house And I was trying to describe, but we live

1061
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:57,480
in a neighborhood where all the houses look the same.

1062
00:56:57,519 --> 00:57:00,159
And I was like, oh, oh, we're the one that

1063
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:03,039
had like the political sign associated with the right. And

1064
00:57:03,039 --> 00:57:05,880
he was like, oh yeah, and he kind of grimaced,

1065
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,159
like this is painful that I'm talking to a right winger.

1066
00:57:08,599 --> 00:57:09,880
But because of that the J.

1067
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:11,519
Speaker 2: Six house, that's what you should tell him.

1068
00:57:13,679 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 3: My neighbors all know that they that I'm a safe

1069
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,159
person to talk to if they are on the right.

1070
00:57:19,559 --> 00:57:22,639
And so I get just dumps of information from people

1071
00:57:22,679 --> 00:57:25,519
who are like telling me they voted for Trump or

1072
00:57:25,559 --> 00:57:28,360
telling me about what's happening at their federal agency. That's

1073
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,199
so insane and it's great.

1074
00:57:30,639 --> 00:57:32,599
Speaker 1: Have I mentioned on the show that someone graffitied my

1075
00:57:32,639 --> 00:57:37,719
house once after Donald Trump won the election? This last time, Yeah,

1076
00:57:38,119 --> 00:57:41,960
right in front of my house a pornographic image.

1077
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 3: What if it was just like kids being stupid, That's.

1078
00:57:46,679 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 2: What I thought it was.

1079
00:57:49,119 --> 00:57:52,079
Speaker 1: So I talked took to like the head person in

1080
00:57:52,119 --> 00:57:55,960
the association here, and I'm like, was there any other

1081
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:59,519
graffiti anywhere in this entire neighborhood that happened yesterday? And

1082
00:57:59,559 --> 00:58:03,639
she's like, no, it just seems I'm still not sure

1083
00:58:03,719 --> 00:58:09,880
a thousand percent sure, but it was very suspicious or

1084
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:13,679
what were we doing? Oh yeah, culture, I'm going to

1085
00:58:13,719 --> 00:58:15,360
ask you again, did you do anything? I know you've

1086
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:16,960
been busy with their book and so on.

1087
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:21,719
Speaker 3: And I'm not reading anything or watching anything. I have

1088
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:23,840
two things that I want to talk about, though. One

1089
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:25,880
is that I took my kid to the doctor this

1090
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:30,559
morning for a sports physical and it needed to be

1091
00:58:30,639 --> 00:58:35,679
done today so that they can practice tonight. We walk

1092
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:37,920
in and they hand us an iPad that has a

1093
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:41,880
series of questions and you're supposed to fill it out.

1094
00:58:42,559 --> 00:58:45,280
And I had done it once before and it wasn't

1095
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:49,119
as bad as it was today. But i'd done it before,

1096
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:50,920
and so I was kind of not wanting to do it,

1097
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,440
but then I wanted to see what it said, and

1098
00:58:53,639 --> 00:58:57,599
it was so bad. The first question was like, are

1099
00:58:57,639 --> 00:59:01,000
you trans male to female? Are you tran This is

1100
00:59:01,039 --> 00:59:04,039
my kid, by the way that they're asking are you

1101
00:59:04,119 --> 00:59:07,079
trans male to female? Are you trans female to male?

1102
00:59:07,719 --> 00:59:11,599
Are you gender non conforming? Are you something else or

1103
00:59:11,639 --> 00:59:13,280
are you male or female?

1104
00:59:13,599 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 2: You know?

1105
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 3: And then then it was are you first option homosexual,

1106
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:25,280
gay or lesbian? Second option queer, pan sexual? And are questioning?

1107
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:33,559
Then we get to straight or heterosexual or bisexual? My kids? Yeah,

1108
00:59:33,599 --> 00:59:37,079
And then they asked about twelve questions related to how

1109
00:59:37,119 --> 00:59:39,000
much do you want to kill yourself today?

1110
00:59:39,599 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 1: Which, after reading that that's gone up.

1111
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,159
Speaker 3: Well, that's the part that we'd seen earlier. And I

1112
00:59:45,199 --> 00:59:48,400
remember that my kid had said I had never thought

1113
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:51,719
about it once until I got the forty eighth question. Here.

1114
00:59:55,039 --> 00:59:57,920
It is so intrusive and so awful, and they're trying

1115
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:02,920
to normalize permanent harm to children. So first I told

1116
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:05,079
the nurse how upset I was, and then I told

1117
01:00:05,119 --> 01:00:07,639
the doctor, and the doctor was saying, well, this is

1118
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:11,119
the guidelines put forth by the Medical Association. I'm like, well,

1119
01:00:11,159 --> 01:00:14,880
you should fight back against it because it destroys you know. Also,

1120
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:16,800
the doctor was like, I would now like to talk

1121
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:19,079
to your kid privately without you here, and I was like, well,

1122
01:00:19,079 --> 01:00:22,239
that's not going to happen because a I wouldn't really

1123
01:00:22,239 --> 01:00:24,639
want any doctor to be talking to my kid without

1124
01:00:24,639 --> 01:00:27,519
me there anyway, you know, just there's no need for it.

1125
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:31,199
Be the idea that I'd let a bunch of people

1126
01:00:31,199 --> 01:00:35,039
who are trying to groom my kid into some kind

1127
01:00:35,079 --> 01:00:39,039
of gender cult to have time alone with them. It's absurd.

1128
01:00:39,119 --> 01:00:42,639
It also makes me not trust anything they say about,

1129
01:00:42,679 --> 01:00:45,679
you know, what's needed in terms of vaccines, or you know,

1130
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:49,119
just like whatever the actual medical issue is. It's like, well,

1131
01:00:49,559 --> 01:00:51,440
I don't trust these people. They don't even believe in

1132
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:56,280
biological reality. So it's just frustrating badly that cult is.

1133
01:00:56,320 --> 01:01:00,079
Speaker 2: Also leaders of that cult also teach in public.

1134
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:03,159
Speaker 1: Life high schools across the country, and you do have

1135
01:01:03,199 --> 01:01:05,079
to leave your kid alone sometimes, and I think it

1136
01:01:05,159 --> 01:01:07,519
is just destructive. And I remember going to with my

1137
01:01:07,679 --> 01:01:11,800
kids to college tours and the college tour head would

1138
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:14,320
ask me what my preferred pronouns were and stuff, and

1139
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:17,880
I'd insane, my name's David.

1140
01:01:18,119 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 3: I think people should also say it makes me really

1141
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:23,599
uncomfortable true this way, or like it makes me feel

1142
01:01:23,639 --> 01:01:26,880
unsafe that you are doing this, just kind of get

1143
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:29,360
them to short circuit that way. Okay. The other culture

1144
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:33,719
thing was more cheerful, but also caused by a sad thing,

1145
01:01:33,719 --> 01:01:37,639
which is ROBERTA. Flack dying this week, And I pulled

1146
01:01:37,639 --> 01:01:39,599
out I've always loved ROBERTA.

1147
01:01:39,639 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 2: Flack.

1148
01:01:40,199 --> 01:01:44,239
Speaker 3: I have loved her voice and her song selection, and

1149
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:46,840
I loved that she used to sing at mister Henry's

1150
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:51,159
on Eighth Street in d C, where it seems like

1151
01:01:51,159 --> 01:01:52,000
it wasn't eighth Street.

1152
01:01:52,039 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 2: But oh, she a DC native or not a.

1153
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 3: DC native, but she started at Howard when she was

1154
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:01,559
like sixteen and worked in and around DC for a

1155
01:02:01,599 --> 01:02:03,679
long time, and so she's kind of a DC girl.

1156
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,719
And I pulled out these albums and I was listening

1157
01:02:07,719 --> 01:02:10,159
to them again, and I think I've reached the age

1158
01:02:10,199 --> 01:02:14,239
where now it really hits me how beautiful for music

1159
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:18,440
and her voice. It just it was giving me NonStop chills.

1160
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I only I have to say, I only

1161
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:22,880
know was it killing me softly? Or I don't know

1162
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:24,199
what the title of the song is.

1163
01:02:24,119 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 3: But yeah, there's yeah, there's so much more, so many beautiful,

1164
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:37,039
like heart wrenching songs, and she's just yeah, well what

1165
01:02:37,119 --> 01:02:37,559
about you.

1166
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 2: Oh.

1167
01:02:39,719 --> 01:02:42,719
Speaker 1: I watched this show called Reacher, which is I think

1168
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:48,800
it's it's third season or something. Yeah, it's fine. I

1169
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:51,360
like the guy who plays Reachers like this really big dude.

1170
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:53,719
And it's funny because in this season there's another guy

1171
01:02:53,719 --> 01:02:57,360
who's like twice his size, like this, like this, this

1172
01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:59,280
can't be real, this has to be cgi. But I

1173
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:02,000
look it up and it's Danish bodybuilder who's seven too.

1174
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:05,360
I just it's it's hard to fathom someone that big,

1175
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:14,920
but yeah, from Denmark. I also watched another because I

1176
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:18,760
had enjoyed the Harlan Coben series The Stranger, I watched

1177
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:21,639
another one called Fool Me Once, which I didn't think

1178
01:03:21,719 --> 01:03:26,079
was as good, you know, soft recommend if you're really

1179
01:03:26,119 --> 01:03:28,039
into that stuff. And then I watch something interesting, a

1180
01:03:28,039 --> 01:03:30,800
movie called Panic. I think it's the Panic and Needle Park.

1181
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:35,159
I forget exactly what it is, but it's from nineteen

1182
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:40,760
seventy one and it starts it's al Pacino's first movie.

1183
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:43,480
It's about this couple that sort of gets addicted and

1184
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are on the streets of New York. Now I am

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a big It was written by Joan Didion, was one

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of the co writers of the screenplay with John Gregory Dunn,

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who I think is what's his name the other Dunn's

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father who was in After Hours. That's Orsese movie anyway, Griffin, Griffin,

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Griffin Done or maybe that's his nephew.

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Speaker 2: I forget what.

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Speaker 3: John Gregory Dunn, that's Joan Didion's husband, right, Oh was

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it were they married?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Probably?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Dominic Dunn is the other is

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the brother and yeah, Griffin. Anyway, it was nice. I'm

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a really big fan of movies that are like realism

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is part of it, and that they're on the streets

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of the cities of New York in the seventies. It's

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really fun to look at how things were back then

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and look back then and how people dressed and the

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cars and all that. I'm a big fan, so I

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enjoyed it. I'm sure many people have seen it already.

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It's been around forever, obviously. I think that's all I have.

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Speaker 3: I was thinking about this. I was reading that Justice

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Alito when he studied in Italy in college, he got

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a summer fellowship to study the Italian Supreme Court. And

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he'd know born and raised in New Jersey, so he'd

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spent a lot of time in Trenton, Newark, New York City,

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and when he went to Italy, he was just stunned

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by how beautiful the cities were relative to what he

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was seeing, you know, on the East coast of the

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US in the seventies and those nineteen seventies movies really

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bring that home. You see the you know, they're just

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clearly shooting on real streets. It's not like they're adding trash.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no it is.

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Speaker 3: And so, but it's also kind of reminder like we

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went from that and then we had a big clean

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up effort in the eighties and nineties, and then we've

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had this very dramatic reversion to you know, nineteen seventies

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style filth. But sometimes people think that you're inexorably going

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in one direction and you actually can change. And I

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think of that with the you know, with patriotism or

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with even like understanding what the role of men and

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women are. You know, it's not like it's just a

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one way to bog and ride to hell. You can

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you can change your direction.

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Speaker 2: No, I think that's right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm older, and I remember people just

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throwing their trash out of their car windows onto the street,

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you know, I mean there was just garbage everywhere, and

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at some point it just became there was a societal

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It wasn't just laws. I think there's just this societal

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movement towards making things nicer. When I go to major

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cities now, try not to go that often, but when

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I do, it's always it hits me that we're headed

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and it seems like we're headed back in the wrong direction.

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Speaker 3: That's one of the thing I want to say, DC

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is DC. Downtown d C had been a bit of

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a ghost town, not because of anything Republican or Democrats

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so much as because of COVID and then the BLM riots,

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and so everyone had moved out of the city and

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it feels like maybe things are getting back a little

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bit to a vibrant nightlife. And I had some meetings

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downtown this week, and just everywhere I went, I was

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seeing people I knew and it just felt nice.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I have one musical note that. So I was

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listening to some new music. It just kind of popped

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up on my Spotify. When you know your album runs

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out like it keeps going to other things. And there

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was this band called Domi and JD Beck right.

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Speaker 2: I looked them up. They're just very young people.

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Speaker 1: They play stuff that sounds like the Weather Underground or

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like fusion jazz from the seventies, kind of a modern

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update of it.

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Speaker 2: And it was really impressive.

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Speaker 1: Some of the stuff I heard, and I just wanted

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to mention that since we don't talk about.

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Speaker 3: Music that often, totally going to check that out. That's okay,

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like my speed.

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Speaker 1: And for the first time in months, I'm going to

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remember right now to say that people can email the

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show at radio at the Federals dot com. We love

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to hear from you, and we will be back next week.

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Until then, be lovers of freedom and anxious for the

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Frame

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Speaker 4: Two.