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<v Speaker 1>This is Dan Capless and welcome to today's online podcast

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<v Speaker 1>edition of The Dan Caplis Show. Please be sure to

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<v Speaker 2>Cap Show, Day two of three. The checking Out guest

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<v Speaker 2>host Steve Reims Well, can you sheriff filling in? It's

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<v Speaker 2>always a pleasure to fill in for Dan when he's

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<v Speaker 2>out doing his trial work or trial prep, as I

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<v Speaker 2>guess it is this week. But you know, it's an

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<v Speaker 2>interesting day when you get a chance to fill in

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<v Speaker 2>for one of the one of the guys that has

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<v Speaker 2>the biggest, one of the biggest talk shows in the

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<v Speaker 2>Denver metro area. And when you're doing that, sometimes you

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<v Speaker 2>get phone calls or text messages from people that say, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>we'd like to get a little bit of time on

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<v Speaker 2>your radio show. And that's exactly what happened. At the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the show yesterday. We've been talking about some

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<v Speaker 2>breaking news that had been announced by House Rep. Ryan

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<v Speaker 2>Armagoss from HD sixty four. He announced that he was

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<v Speaker 2>going to be stepping down and relocating to Arizona to

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<v Speaker 2>pursue greener pastures for himself, and of course that leaves

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<v Speaker 2>an open seat. So HD sixty four, for those of

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<v Speaker 2>you that don't know, kind of goes around the Birthed

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<v Speaker 2>area up into Weld County, across the county line Johnstown, Milliken,

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<v Speaker 2>and over to the west side of Greeley. Also encompasses

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of Mead again for those of you

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<v Speaker 2>that are familiar with northern Colorado. But it's a very

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<v Speaker 2>important seat because, as anyone that's been following the legislature knows,

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<v Speaker 2>every Republican seat matters at this point. So I believe

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to have a little bit of a duke

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<v Speaker 2>out for some folks trying to figure out how to

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<v Speaker 2>fill that seat or the remainder of Ryan Armagos's term.

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<v Speaker 2>And the first person that called and said, hey, I'd

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<v Speaker 2>like to throw my hat in the ring is the

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<v Speaker 2>mayor of Mead. Her name is Colleen Whitlow, and she's

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<v Speaker 2>with us on the line. Colleen, how are you doing

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<v Speaker 2>this afternoon.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm very good. Thank you Steve for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>You bet, it's a pleasure to have you on. And

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<v Speaker 2>I've known you for a while from your work down

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<v Speaker 2>in Mead. But today you're kind of, I guess, officially

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<v Speaker 2>announcing your canadacy to be a canon it for the

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<v Speaker 2>HD sixty four seat. Is that correct?

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<v Speaker 3>I am, and I would like to say thank you

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<v Speaker 3>to Representative Armor godsh for these years of service not

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<v Speaker 3>only for the country, but for this district and for

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<v Speaker 3>our state.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Ryan was a former law enforcement officer, a former

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<v Speaker 2>military officer or former military member. And of course, as

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<v Speaker 2>you said HD sixty four Rep. So, Colleen, I know

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<v Speaker 2>you're the mayor of Mead, but you've had an interest

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<v Speaker 2>in politics for quite some time. What makes you want

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<v Speaker 2>to jump in this HD sixty four race and exactly

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<v Speaker 2>what does it look like to jump in this seat

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<v Speaker 2>or to jump in the mix to run for this seat?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Steve, I want to contribute more and bring my

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<v Speaker 3>public service not only to this you know, this community,

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<v Speaker 3>but to all of the district. And then I think

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<v Speaker 3>I have a really good grasp of what's happening down

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<v Speaker 3>at the state Capitol and in our for our district.

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<v Speaker 3>So I really just want to expand my professional service

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<v Speaker 3>to those who and continue Representative Armags fight down at

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<v Speaker 3>the Capitol.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, and as I've introduced to you, the mayor of me,

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<v Speaker 2>but give the listeners just a little bit more of

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<v Speaker 2>your background so they kind of know how you got

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<v Speaker 2>to that position and kind of what guided you to

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<v Speaker 2>your pathway to the mayor of Mead, Colorado.

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<v Speaker 4>You bet.

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<v Speaker 3>I was in the military to Air Force Airman station

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<v Speaker 3>Langley Air Force Base. And after that I was a

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<v Speaker 3>project manager for IBM. I did federal proposals mostly in

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<v Speaker 3>DC back and forth, and then I decided I was

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<v Speaker 3>going to do more of a community base, and I

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<v Speaker 3>became a trustee in twenty fourteen and ran for the

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<v Speaker 3>mayor of twenty eighteen, and it's concentrating on more of

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<v Speaker 3>giving back to those who in my local area and

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<v Speaker 3>currently I'm doing that and also am the vice chair

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<v Speaker 3>of the Denver Regional Government of COGG, which is down

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<v Speaker 3>in Denver. And also I serve as the Colorado Immunia

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<v Speaker 3>League Public Policy for as a representative. So there's a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of different things that are I contribute to and

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<v Speaker 3>making sure that I have the time and focus to

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<v Speaker 3>do the things that I need to do for my

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<v Speaker 2>Well, God bless you for wanting to jump into one

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<v Speaker 2>of those House rep seats, because that is not something

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<v Speaker 2>that is very appealing to most, especially myself. But what

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<v Speaker 2>exactly does it look like when a vacancy occurs, because

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<v Speaker 2>it's not going to go back to an election of

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<v Speaker 2>the people. I know there's a vacancy committee, but what

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<v Speaker 2>is that constructed of, how does that what's the maneuvering

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<v Speaker 2>to even become a candidate and who do you got

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<v Speaker 2>to appeal to get that seat?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, thanks for the question. The vacancy committee select selects

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<v Speaker 3>actually the replacement, and it's comprised of the executive committee,

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<v Speaker 3>elected official, the state officials, community excuse me, the commissioners

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<v Speaker 3>of the county commissioners, all what's encompassed in the not

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<v Speaker 3>just Well county and so all the precinct community, the

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<v Speaker 3>committee persons and all of that within the same political party.

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<v Speaker 3>And they'd have to hear adhere to the House built

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<v Speaker 3>twenty five Dash thirteen fifteen that was just passed last year.

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<v Speaker 3>And so that's concerning the vacancies of the General Assembly

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<v Speaker 3>which was passed and signed last year.

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<v Speaker 4>But it is a very.

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<v Speaker 3>Interesting process and I've already reached out to the chair

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<v Speaker 3>to get information on how to contact these folks to

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<v Speaker 3>make sure that you know, I reach out to them

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<v Speaker 3>and let them know that I am of you know,

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<v Speaker 3>wanting to do this, and I think I I know

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<v Speaker 3>I will do a great job for this for this

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<v Speaker 3>district of sixty four well, and.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe there may be some competition in the works

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<v Speaker 2>for you. But without naming any names, obviously, what is

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<v Speaker 2>it that you bring to the table that maybe a

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<v Speaker 2>potential opponent wouldn't. What makes you the most qualified person

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<v Speaker 2>to fill in that seat, because you know the competentition

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<v Speaker 2>breeds excellence, But you know what makes you stronger than

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<v Speaker 2>any opponent you might face.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I've been following legislation ever since twenty fourteen. When

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<v Speaker 3>I became a I would say a civilian, I was,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, not doing project management for IBM. And I

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<v Speaker 3>believe that I with my background of military and project

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<v Speaker 3>management and legislative help and running and doing this job

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<v Speaker 3>as the mayor of the town of Meet and collaborating

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<v Speaker 3>with all elected officials and community members across this district,

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<v Speaker 3>I feel and I will do the job that is

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<v Speaker 3>adhere to this and I do believe that Representative Armagus

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<v Speaker 3>has set a high bar that I will continue to Foster.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I guess we'll just finish with this. I know

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the consternation about, you know, the General

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<v Speaker 2>Assembly has been that a lot of the people down

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<v Speaker 2>there are in appointed positions, you know, in other words,

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<v Speaker 2>they weren't elected through the normal process. If you do

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<v Speaker 2>seek the seat and win, will you will you are

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<v Speaker 2>you vowing to run to keep that seat or you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to run for reelection if you're if you're appointed

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<v Speaker 2>to it as an HD sixty four Rep.

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<v Speaker 3>I plan on running running a reelection to become you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the to fulfill everything that is in this seat for

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<v Speaker 3>years to come. So that's my plan. And in some

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<v Speaker 3>of these issues that are coming up that I would

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<v Speaker 3>like to bring in to prioritize is affordability, public safety,

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<v Speaker 3>protect tabor, and fight for our parents will rights.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's what I'll do.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, fair enough, well, Colleen, thanks for being on with us.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll go ahead and end it with that, but good

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<v Speaker 2>luck to you and keep us updated on how things

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<v Speaker 2>are going. And if if we need to get you

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<v Speaker 2>on again, just reach out to me. Obviously you know

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<v Speaker 2>how to get in contact with me. But thanks for

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<v Speaker 2>being on the show with us.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, Steve again for your time, and thank you

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<v Speaker 3>to the viewers for listening.

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<v Speaker 2>You bet so that was Colleen Whitlow, the mayor of Mead.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the HD sixty four race may not mean

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<v Speaker 2>a lot to everyone in the state, but quite honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>there's not a seat in this state that isn't important.

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<v Speaker 2>Given the makeup of the general legislature. I think HD

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<v Speaker 2>sixty four is a pretty safe seat for Republicans, but

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<v Speaker 2>if you don't get the right candidate in there, then

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<v Speaker 2>it becomes a target for the Democrats to try to

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<v Speaker 2>take over. And I think that's kind of what Representative

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<v Speaker 2>armagust is probably trying to ensure doesn't occur with him exiting.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know's if he's necessarily supporting one candidate or another,

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<v Speaker 2>but maybe we'll find that out if we get another

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<v Speaker 2>candidate on. And I think we're going to have a

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<v Speaker 2>potential opponent for Mayor Whitlow on tomorrow tomorrow at the

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<v Speaker 2>start of the show, so we'll get a little back

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<v Speaker 2>and forth and see if we can't make some difference

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<v Speaker 2>in that HD sixty four race. While we're sitting in

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<v Speaker 2>here covering Dan's show, but before we go to break

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to tease something that I saw this

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<v Speaker 2>morning on the news, and I think it probably matters

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<v Speaker 2>to a lot of you guys, and it definitely matters

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<v Speaker 2>to me as a person in law enforcement. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>we just talked about this HD sixty four race and

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<v Speaker 2>how important it is, and we definitely need to the

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<v Speaker 2>state of Colorado, whether you're a Democrat or a Republican,

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<v Speaker 2>needs to see some balance at the state House because

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<v Speaker 2>the laws in this state have gone to the way

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<v Speaker 2>of the criminals. In other words, the punishments are very low.

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<v Speaker 2>We have no death penalty on the table anymore. Capital

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<v Speaker 2>crime is kind of unchecked in this state. You're not

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<v Speaker 2>going to be sentenced to death even if you do

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<v Speaker 2>the most heinous acts. And that comes to mind because

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<v Speaker 2>of what we heard this morning coming out of Idaho

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<v Speaker 2>with the Brian Coberger incident where he murdered the four

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<v Speaker 2>teams at the University of Idaho. As a law enforcement officer,

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<v Speaker 2>I find it just stunning to me that you can

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<v Speaker 2>have a state like Colorado with the population we have

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<v Speaker 2>and say, no, we have no death penalty on the

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<v Speaker 2>table in Idaho. They're arguing right now, there's some survivors

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<v Speaker 2>of the victims, I guess that are upset that that

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<v Speaker 2>death penalty has been removed in lieu of getting a

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<v Speaker 2>plea agreement with Brian Koberger for our life in prison sentence.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not even an option in the state of Colorado.

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<v Speaker 2>So I just want you to think about that a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit as we go to break. If that same

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<v Speaker 2>kind of incident, take the Boulder fire bombing, word it happen,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't even use the threat of a death penalty

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<v Speaker 2>to try to make sure that you incarcerate someone for

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of their life because it's not even a

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<v Speaker 2>that and a lot more when we come back from break.

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<v Speaker 2>But again you're listening to Steve Riams while Kenny Sheriff

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<v Speaker 2>here on the Dan Kapla Show six point thirty k how.

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<v Speaker 5>And now back to the Dan Kaplass Show podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Steve Riams filling in as Dan does some trial work today.

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<v Speaker 2>And when we went to break, I was talking a

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<v Speaker 2>of you have that same frustration, and it's that the

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<v Speaker 2>criminal justice system in this state has become quite the joke.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you can commit the most heinous crimes in

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<v Speaker 2>And well, I know that's a that's an issue in

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<v Speaker 2>many states across across the nation. In the western state

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<v Speaker 2>of Colorado, it seems almost sacrilegious that the death penalty

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<v Speaker 2>would be removed from penalty penalty options for the worst

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<v Speaker 2>criminals out there. I'd kind of like to know what

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<v Speaker 2>you guys think. As the law enforcement officer. Maybe I'm

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<v Speaker 2>but text Dan. You can text Dan at five seven

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<v Speaker 2>seventy three nine, or you can call in three o

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<v Speaker 2>three seven one three eight two five five. I'd love

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<v Speaker 2>you the lessening of penalties in the state of Colorado

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<v Speaker 2>has become maddening. I mean, we see guys just going

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<v Speaker 2>You know, they get they get picked up for some

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<v Speaker 2>pretty pretty terrible crimes. They face a judge the next morning,

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<v Speaker 2>get a pr bond, and they're right back out on

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<v Speaker 2>the street. For things that before would have been a

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<v Speaker 2>no bond charge. We're gonna have George Brockler on towards

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the show to talk about a case

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<v Speaker 2>he recently he recently had some success on and and

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<v Speaker 2>that this individual got for possession of child pornography. While

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<v Speaker 2>it's a great it's a great win for George Brockler

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the at the end of all this,

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to go, that's that's the that's the penalty

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<v Speaker 2>this guy gets. And I don't want to ruin the

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<v Speaker 2>interview because George is a great storyteller, but it's just

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<v Speaker 2>so frustrating in the world of law enforcement right now

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<v Speaker 2>to know that people can go out and do an

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<v Speaker 2>Mall and Boulder, and the worst thing that's going to

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<v Speaker 2>happen is they're going to get three hots and a

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<v Speaker 2>cot the rest of their life while they're sitting in

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<v Speaker 2>an air conditioned jail or prison somewhere in the state,

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<v Speaker 2>probably watching cable TV and being fat, dumb and happy.

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<v Speaker 2>For those of you that love your your freedom. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's a little bit of a shock to not

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<v Speaker 2>be able to go out and walk around and do

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<v Speaker 2>things outside. But quite frankly, you shouldn't walk on the

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<v Speaker 2>face of the earth when you do something like what

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<v Speaker 2>happened down in Boulder or at many of the other

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<v Speaker 2>incidents we've seen across the state of Colorado. Again, text in,

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<v Speaker 2>call in. You can text start to text with Dan

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<v Speaker 2>at five seven, seven, three nine or call in three

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<v Speaker 2>oh three seven one three eight two five five. I

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<v Speaker 2>know this is a touchy topic, but you have to

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<v Speaker 2>have an opinion on it, and I'd love to hear

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<v Speaker 2>you here what you guys have to say and have

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<v Speaker 2>a little back and forth. But when we talk about

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<v Speaker 2>these House seats and these Senate seats, just remember it

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<v Speaker 2>was when we started losing that majority down to the

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<v Speaker 2>State House and at the end the Senate that we

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<v Speaker 2>can no longer block bills that would remove the death penalty.

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<v Speaker 2>And Ronde Fields herself, Senator Ronde Fields, if you'll remember

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<v Speaker 2>this story, her son, Javon Marshall Fields, was killed by

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<v Speaker 2>he was murdered and Sir Mario Owens was basically trying

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<v Speaker 2>anyone from from UH, basically diming him out for some

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<v Speaker 2>other crimes. Long story short, he was sentenced to death

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<v Speaker 2>for his crimes against Senator Fields, his son, and while

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<v Speaker 2>Senator Fields was still an active senator, she actually had

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<v Speaker 2>her arm twisted enough to remove the option of death

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<v Speaker 2>penalty in the state of Colorado for UH, for crimes,

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<v Speaker 2>even for the one, even for the person that had

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<v Speaker 2>killed her own son. To me, that's just it's outrageous

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<v Speaker 2>that that even even someone who's been in that situation

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<v Speaker 2>can say, you know, I'm gonna I'm going to follow

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<v Speaker 2>the tide of the Democrats. We're going to remove this

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<v Speaker 2>because that's what's the best for you know, for my party.

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<v Speaker 2>It just it flies in the face of all logic,

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<v Speaker 2>the line. Well, give him just a second to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of get programmed here. In the meantime, I read a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of these texts. One of our best texters, Steve

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<v Speaker 2>says Stephen Littleton says it seems everything the Colorado dims

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<v Speaker 2>have done to punish criminals has been done begrudgingly and

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<v Speaker 2>with the least amount of inconvenience to those criminals. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't agree more. I don't think they try to

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<v Speaker 2>there's not much there's not much desire to keep folks

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<v Speaker 2>in jail. And if you're a retired law enforcement like

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<v Speaker 2>Steve is, you know, you deal with the same two

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<v Speaker 2>percent of the population over and over and over again

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<v Speaker 2>until finally they tip to a point where yep, they've

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<v Speaker 2>committed the worst of the worst. Maybe we get life

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<v Speaker 2>in prison, but life in prison doesn't even mean life

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<v Speaker 2>in prison in the state of Colorado. Then we have

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<v Speaker 2>another texture that's a holdover from well, I guess not

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<v Speaker 2>a holdover, but an early texture. As a response from yesterday,

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<v Speaker 2>some of you guys that were listening yesterday, you'll know

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<v Speaker 2>that I had Dick Wadhams on and he's always a

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<v Speaker 2>text here says Steve, I enjoyed your interview with Dick

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<v Speaker 2>Watdams yesterday. I know many have problems with him. But

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<v Speaker 2>in the words of the NATO Chief Mark rut, Daddy

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<v Speaker 2>has to sometimes use strong language. And that's from again

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<v Speaker 2>a loyal listener, Patty. You know, I find it interesting

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<v Speaker 2>whenever we have Dick Watams on the show, because he

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<v Speaker 2>is a controversial figure. But having said all that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't you rather have that guy helping you get in

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<v Speaker 2>not having Republicans at all. A few more text rollings

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<v Speaker 2>rolling in and says Dan, I'm in favor of the

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<v Speaker 2>death penalty. Well good, that's at least two of us.

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<v Speaker 2>Another one here says, I say lock up all the criminals,

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<v Speaker 2>not laundry, detergent max penalties for all crime, including jaywalking,

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<v Speaker 2>scare the baddies into being lawful. That's Joseph down in Pueblo.

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<v Speaker 2>know they're not really disincentivized from committing those high level crimes.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes you just flat out have to make an example

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<v Speaker 2>in this state where we've truly gone after someone and

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'll give George Brockler a lot of credit

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<v Speaker 2>for what he's done with the Aurora Theater suspect, But

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<v Speaker 2>removed by the time that case went to trial. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just frustrating. And then you see what's going on up

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<v Speaker 2>in Idaho. They do have the death penalty available and

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<v Speaker 2>it's by firing squad, which if the death penalty ever

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<v Speaker 2>comes back to the state of Colorado, I hope it's

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<v Speaker 2>in that version. All that being said, you've got a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of families up there that are arguing over whether

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<v Speaker 2>and killed. Today, I can't think of a more counterintuitive

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<v Speaker 2>thing than what we're seeing here in Colorado. We'll go

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<v Speaker 2>to break when we come back. We're gonna have another

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<v Speaker 2>law and Order guy on with Justin Smith, the new

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<v Speaker 2>NSA executive director. If you listened to the Dan Capless

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<v Speaker 2>Show here on six point thirty k High with will

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<v Speaker 5>Rings you're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>There's Steve Rams setting in in the driver's seat today,

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<v Speaker 2>And it's with great pleasure I get to introduce this

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<v Speaker 2>to the west of mine, in the Larimer County. Up

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<v Speaker 2>until just a couple of years ago, Justin Smith was

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<v Speaker 2>couple of years in the sheriff's seat before I did,

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<v Speaker 2>and he has now moved on to the National Sheriff's

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<v Speaker 2>Association as the executive director, which is a pretty big gig.

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<v Speaker 2>And on the line with us is Justin Smith. Justin,

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<v Speaker 2>how you doing.

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<v Speaker 4>Gee, Great to hear from you, Great to be on

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<v Speaker 2>It's great to have you Justin. You know, we've always

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<v Speaker 2>And I know that I can't have you on the

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<v Speaker 2>time to talk about some of the frustrations you felt

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<v Speaker 2>during your time as as sheriff over in Larmer County.

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<v Speaker 2>I know one of your big issues was the legalization

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<v Speaker 2>of marijuana, but you were also a big force in

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<v Speaker 2>magazine capacity ban went in. How do you feel now,

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<v Speaker 2>since you've kind of walked away from the from the

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<v Speaker 2>actual role of sheriff, what's crime in Colorado feel like

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<v Speaker 2>to you now?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, see, you know, I don't have the day to

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<v Speaker 6>that level of activity. But certainly it is continued to

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<v Speaker 6>nineteen ninety one in Colorado and watched the crime drop

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<v Speaker 6>in half across the country, decreased dramatically in Colorado, and

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<v Speaker 6>you know that last few years I was in office,

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<v Speaker 6>from law enforcement, and that has certainly been frustrating. I know,

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<v Speaker 6>there's thankfully been some advancements. We've regained some ground in

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<v Speaker 4>But well, I just.

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<v Speaker 6>It's frustrating to watch peace officers out there having to

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<v Speaker 6>So there's definitely been some concerning things at the state

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<v Speaker 6>level in recent years, you know, but again it hasn't

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<v Speaker 6>it hasn't brought down the willingness of those of you

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think with the passage of Centate Bill two seventeen,

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<v Speaker 2>the Law Enforcement you know, the Law Enforcement Accountability Act,

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<v Speaker 2>That's a one off bill. You don't see it anywhere

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<v Speaker 2>else in the country, although there's several that have tried

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<v Speaker 2>to replicate it, even at the federal level. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>that's set Colorado on a path that is unlike any

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<v Speaker 2>other state. Having said that you're going to be come

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<v Speaker 2>executive director for the National Sheriff's Association, which does some

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<v Speaker 2>stuff obviously nationwide and advocacy for the sheriffs. How did

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<v Speaker 6>Asking me that, you know, for me what I was

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<v Speaker 6>elected sheriff by the citizens.

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<v Speaker 4>Of my county.

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<v Speaker 6>I stepped in, you know, as you had with the

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<v Speaker 6>County Sheriffs of Colorado, our state association, we got active,

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<v Speaker 6>took apart in recognizing that, and then in the years

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<v Speaker 6>after I just I got involved with the National Sheriff's Association,

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<v Speaker 6>which really kind of collaborates what all the states are

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<v Speaker 6>doing at that state level.

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<v Speaker 4>It becomes that that.

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<v Speaker 6>National voice and deals with federal issues. But I got

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<v Speaker 6>involved there, was was selected by my fellow sheriffs to

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<v Speaker 6>serve on their board of directors and eventually on the

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<v Speaker 6>executive board. By the time that I was term limited

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<v Speaker 6>out back in twenty twenty two, I stepped away a bit,

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<v Speaker 6>but I did really active from the side. I hung

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<v Speaker 6>out a shamble as it were, and got involved in

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<v Speaker 6>consulting in public safety, stayed involved with National Sheriffs on

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<v Speaker 6>a variety of issues, and was aware that the longtime

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<v Speaker 6>executive director was retiring, you know, sometime in the future.

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<v Speaker 6>That came around this year, and you know, for me,

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<v Speaker 6>obviously it just simply comes down to this. There obviously

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<v Speaker 6>has never been a better job than serving the citizens

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<v Speaker 6>in a county as their elected sheriff and having the

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<v Speaker 6>ability to do what.

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<v Speaker 4>You need to do. Once that ends, you know, the.

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<v Speaker 6>Next step for me was what else would be next

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<v Speaker 6>most satisfying, and that was to serve America's three thousand

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<v Speaker 6>and eighty one elected sheriffs because around the country they're all.

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<v Speaker 4>Facing different challenges.

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<v Speaker 6>So the opportunity to serve those sheriffs on that national level,

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<v Speaker 6>to help collaborate on role issues and the things that

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<v Speaker 6>are going on, just seem like a natural fit. And

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<v Speaker 6>you know, lo and behold, things worked out the way

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<v Speaker 6>they did. And I was just recently selected and I'll

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<v Speaker 6>take that position officially at.

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<v Speaker 4>The beginning of the year.

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<v Speaker 6>I'll be transitioning later in the fall at National Sheriff

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<v Speaker 6>which you know, the flip side means a time within

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<v Speaker 6>the Beltway, which is a change certainly for us. But

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<v Speaker 6>sometimes you sometimes you do what you have to do

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<v Speaker 6>because that's where you need to be to stand with

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<v Speaker 6>and stand for America's sheriffs.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know, for the listeners, you know, they're

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<v Speaker 2>not going to interact with the National Sheriff's Associate Association

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<v Speaker 2>every day, but they do most most listeners are pretty

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<v Speaker 2>familiar with who their local sheriff is. So how does

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<v Speaker 2>the National Sheriff's Association kind of support those local sheriffs?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, on a more direct basis, like, what is

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<v Speaker 2>your role there end upholding those those three thousand plus

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<v Speaker 2>sheriffs across the nation.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, there's there's a variety of ways we do that.

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<v Speaker 6>A primary one is being that connection one with federal agencies.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, as county sheriffs.

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<v Speaker 6>So we were from our counties, but we were chartered

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<v Speaker 6>essentially under our state constitution and state statutes be carried

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<v Speaker 6>those out. However, in doing that, we all know that

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<v Speaker 6>the ability to work with our federal partners in a

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<v Speaker 6>positive way is critical.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 6>The reality is, no matter how powerful the county sheriffs

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<v Speaker 6>of Colorado are collectively, they.

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<v Speaker 4>Don't have a voice to be able to really get

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<v Speaker 4>the ear of the FDI, the DEA on.

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<v Speaker 6>Land security, et cetera. But where national sheriffs comes in again,

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<v Speaker 6>they're in Washington.

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<v Speaker 2>D c.

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<v Speaker 6>Which is where you have to be daily interactions at

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<v Speaker 6>that level with those federal agencies.

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<v Speaker 4>And then really it's.

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<v Speaker 6>Their role to bring those issues and concerns of the

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<v Speaker 6>states sheriffs around the country. Do those federal officials voice

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<v Speaker 6>those speak collectively? That's one part and the other is

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<v Speaker 6>while sheriffs don't enforce federal law, we are impacted certainly,

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<v Speaker 6>as you know, Steve, by federal law and some of

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<v Speaker 6>the challenges to come through. So National Sheriffs is a

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<v Speaker 6>voice in that way with Congress to lobby Congress, and

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<v Speaker 6>certainly I would say Congress comes to the sheriffs, and

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<v Speaker 6>we're getting back in that role a little bit more

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<v Speaker 6>finding out what things can they do to be helpful

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<v Speaker 6>to local communities when it comes to safety. And then

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<v Speaker 6>there's the issues of training that goes along. Certainly there's

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of training that goes to the state level,

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<v Speaker 6>but collectively we can come together. It brings sheriffs together

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<v Speaker 6>on those variety of issues just to promote public safety

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<v Speaker 6>and best practices. We're able to go to the different states,

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<v Speaker 6>find out who's got some things that are working that

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<v Speaker 6>are helpful and share the share the things that Colorado

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<v Speaker 6>is successful at and bring things to Colorado that some

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<v Speaker 6>of our other states. Florida has a very very powerful

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<v Speaker 6>and active State Sheriff's Association and we certainly pick up

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<v Speaker 6>a lot from them.

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<v Speaker 4>So National Sheriffs really just kind.

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<v Speaker 6>Of becomes the hub of that to help each of

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<v Speaker 6>the states sheriffs.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know, when you're talking about trying to

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<v Speaker 2>figure out how to work with your federal partners. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>there's the best example I can think of right here

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<v Speaker 2>in the state of Colorado is I think most of

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<v Speaker 2>your sheriffs, if not the majority of sheriffs in the state,

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<v Speaker 2>want to have a relationship with ICE. But we've had

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of state legislators who have said, we really

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<v Speaker 2>don't think that's a great idea. You know, they're not

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<v Speaker 2>out interacting with criminals, they're not out interacting with the

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<v Speaker 2>bad guy on the street. As the NSA executive director,

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<v Speaker 2>do you see yourself kind of advocating for that relationship

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<v Speaker 2>to be rebuilt, not just for the sheriffs here in

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<v Speaker 2>Colorado with ICE, but the sheriffs across the nation, because

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's the way that this issue get gets corrected.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought you're absolutely right, Steve.

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<v Speaker 6>I think that the challenge there is our federal partners

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<v Speaker 6>don't necessarily always understand the conditions on the ground, and

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<v Speaker 6>you certainly speak to that of Colorado.

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<v Speaker 4>Sheriffs are put between.

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<v Speaker 6>The proverbial rock and a hard place in that we

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<v Speaker 6>have to comply with state law. But at the same time,

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<v Speaker 6>when when legislators and other folks in the state passed

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<v Speaker 6>and put things into effect that essentially can maybe not

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<v Speaker 6>just put the sheriff in. I mean, granted we're not

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<v Speaker 6>enforcing federal law. However to in some form obstruct federal officials,

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<v Speaker 6>and you know what, I know that's not a role

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<v Speaker 6>that the law law enforcements can get any more than

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<v Speaker 6>we would tolerate federal officials obstructing Colorado law.

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<v Speaker 4>So I think that's a piece.

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<v Speaker 6>And certainly there was that question that came out recently

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<v Speaker 6>of you know what they called on the side the

547
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<v Speaker 6>nasty list from from ICE in DHS on you know,

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<v Speaker 6>sheriffs that were you know, under sanctuary counties or CenTra.

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<v Speaker 4>Non complied and.

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<v Speaker 6>And NSA worked with the states and we pushed back

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<v Speaker 6>and said what came out from DHS was not after it,

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<v Speaker 6>it was not appropriate, it didn't help, and we got

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<v Speaker 6>that list pulled down and we simply went back with

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<v Speaker 6>let's have a conversation.

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<v Speaker 4>We're not against the issue.

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<v Speaker 6>Of calling out those who are not cooperating, but you happy,

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<v Speaker 6>but you know, in our business, facts are facts, and

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<v Speaker 6>you have to have your facts lined up. And National

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<v Speaker 6>Sheriff did speak up for the States on that issue.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, justin I can't be more proud to have someone

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<v Speaker 2>from Colorado representing the National Sheriff's Association. I can't be

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<v Speaker 2>more proud to have my former colleague from a neighboring county,

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<v Speaker 2>Larimer County, in that same seat. And Justin, I'm proud

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<v Speaker 2>to see you out there. I'll the luck to you

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<v Speaker 2>to do the best work out there. And remember, don't

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<v Speaker 2>forget us little guys here in the state of Colorado.

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<v Speaker 6>I keep up the fight here, Steve, proud to work

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<v Speaker 6>for you in this new role.

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<v Speaker 2>You bet, thanks for coming on with This's Justin. So

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<v Speaker 2>that was Justin Smith, former Larmer County sheriff, now the

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<v Speaker 2>executive director incoming executive director for National Sheriff's Association. And

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<v Speaker 2>while that may not seem like much to the day

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<v Speaker 2>to day listener, that's a big win for the state

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<v Speaker 2>of Colorado, and I half believe that's some of the

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<v Speaker 2>reason that he got that position. In essay, is focusing

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<v Speaker 2>on those states where they need to make the biggest

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<v Speaker 2>push and try to get sheriffs back in control of

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<v Speaker 2>kind of law and order in an individual state. So

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<v Speaker 2>with that, we'll go to break. When we come back,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll do a little bit of clean up before we

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<v Speaker 2>go to a second hour. But keep tuning in, keep listening,

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<v Speaker 2>and throw those texts in if you'd like. Text Dan

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<v Speaker 2>at five seven, seven, three nine. We're talking about death penalty,

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking about sheriff's roles. Text in with whatever you'd like.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll go to break. You're listening to Steve Raims here

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<v Speaker 2>on the Dankaples Show as your guest host.

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<v Speaker 5>And now back to the Dan Tapless Show podcast Driver's

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<v Speaker 5>seat today.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I said earlier in the show, it's always a

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<v Speaker 2>good time to drive the get behind the wheel of

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<v Speaker 2>the big the big machine here that Dan normally pilots

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<v Speaker 2>on a daily basis, But I've kind of challenged you

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<v Speaker 2>guys a little bit to text in tell me what

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<v Speaker 2>you think about Colorado's removal of the death penalty option

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<v Speaker 2>based on the case we've been watching out of Idaho

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<v Speaker 2>with Brian Coberger as the suspect. In addition, call in

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<v Speaker 2>three o three seven one, three eight two five five.

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<v Speaker 2>I love having those conversations with you. I know a

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<v Speaker 2>few of you are a little bit shy and you

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<v Speaker 2>don't necessarily want to get on the radio, but that's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll go to a couple of texts here. I got

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<v Speaker 2>one to say, Sheriff, when are you going to hear

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<v Speaker 2>our When are we going to hear a statement from

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<v Speaker 2>you similar to one that we hear from Grady Polk

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<v Speaker 2>down in Florida. Uh, the one that tells people to

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<v Speaker 2>go ahead and shoot the bad guy if they break

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<v Speaker 2>into your house, because law enforcements going to stand behind

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<v Speaker 2>them and not be at odds with the citizens. We

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<v Speaker 2>sure love to hear something from our chief law enforcement officers.

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<v Speaker 2>So you stand saying that you stand with armed citizens. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not a guy that likes to get on social

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<v Speaker 2>media and make platitudes, but I've made it very clear

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<v Speaker 2>to the citizens of Welld County and to my constituents

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<v Speaker 2>that I believe they have to have a personal investment

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<v Speaker 2>in their own public safety or their own personal safety.

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<v Speaker 2>And I encourage people to be armed. I encourage people

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<v Speaker 2>to protect themselves, and I encourage people to know the

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<v Speaker 2>law around doing so. Making a video about it.

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<v Speaker 7>You're not giving yourself due diligence.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, Why is that.

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<v Speaker 7>Because you texted Ryan the other day because he texted

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<v Speaker 7>you about what you would do.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh if someone tried to take over the zoo. They're

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<v Speaker 2>not taking over the zoo.

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<v Speaker 7>It ain't happening, not in Weld County.

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<v Speaker 2>No. You know, we stand pretty firm against crime in

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<v Speaker 2>Weld County. And that takes me to another text here

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<v Speaker 2>somebody being a little snarky, I think it says, with

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<v Speaker 2>Colorado being the number two most violent state in the nation,

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<v Speaker 2>how is it the sheriff can host this show. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>it's because we uphold the rule of law in Weld County,

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<v Speaker 2>and believe it or not, I don't work twenty four

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<v Speaker 2>hours a day at the Sheriff's office, so I can

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<v Speaker 2>go in early. I can leave a little early, come

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<v Speaker 2>down to the show, I can catch things later on

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<v Speaker 2>once I get home. I can come in on the weekends.

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<v Speaker 2>And I have this cool thing called a cell phone,

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<v Speaker 2>although I hate it, but I can be in contact

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<v Speaker 2>with my folks pretty much twenty four hours a day,

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<v Speaker 2>and oftentimes I am. So that's what happens when you

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<v Speaker 2>have good staff, and you have good people that work

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<v Speaker 2>for you, and they're all rowing in the same direction.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have to micromanage them. I believe that they

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<v Speaker 2>can be adults and police the county while I'm not there.

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<v Speaker 7>So one of the funniest things you missed on. I

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<v Speaker 7>believe it was Friday. I could be wrong, could have

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<v Speaker 7>been Thursday, might have been Friday. Still have Metallica brain.

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<v Speaker 7>But Dan ended the show by saying, why don't we

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<v Speaker 7>just let all of the animals out of the cages

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<v Speaker 7>to zoo.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm telling you that would.

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<v Speaker 7>Fight the teens who are trying to take it over.

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<v Speaker 7>And I said, hey, that would be our own alligator Alcatraz.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>The funny thing is all they had to hear was

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of threat that someone was ready for them,

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<v Speaker 2>and they didn't even show up. I mean, it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like, man, it's the thing that you do

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<v Speaker 2>when you're raising kids, and don't make me get involved, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And for the zoo to shut down, and for Denver

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<v Speaker 2>ped to not take a little different stance or I

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<v Speaker 2>shouldn't even say Denver PEDI who knows the Denver administration.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just frustrating because it Embolden's lawlessness. And I'm glad

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<v Speaker 2>it didn't happen. I hope it doesn't happen somewhere else.

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<v Speaker 2>But this is what happens when you handcuff law enforcement.

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<v Speaker 2>Going back to what Justin Smith said, when you.

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<v Speaker 7>Play they only they actually attacked one of my favorite places,

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<v Speaker 7>the shops at Northfield, because one of my favorite restaurants

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<v Speaker 7>there is Texas Day Brazil.

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<v Speaker 2>And so you I assume it's back open, but you

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't eat there that night.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean it's a tourist scaria. Have you never been

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<v Speaker 7>to a curiscaria?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, I don't even know what that is.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh my gosh. It's a Brazilian steakhouse where you have

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<v Speaker 7>a token kind of thing and you flip it over

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<v Speaker 7>red or green. Green means you get a lot of meat. Okay,

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<v Speaker 7>red means you got to stop. Well, I guess, so good.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it back open? Did they destroy the place?

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<v Speaker 7>No, they didn't. They just fought and it was like

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<v Speaker 7>in like an open area or something.

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<v Speaker 2>The disrupted the operation.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>So here's the thing. You live in a crappy area.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't live down here in the metro area. Move to

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<v Speaker 2>Weld County. We don't have those restaurants you're talking about, though.

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<v Speaker 2>We have things like Texas Roadhouse and other things up

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. We have just traditional steak in Weld County.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, steak and taters like like you do in

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<v Speaker 2>the South. So going back to the text line, here

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<v Speaker 2>quite a few of you, Dan, I'm in favor of

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<v Speaker 2>the death penalty. Dan, I'm in favor of the death penalty.

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<v Speaker 2>One person here says, I couldn't take someone's life, but

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<v Speaker 2>I understand the need for it. We're gonna take this

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<v Speaker 2>last break of the hour. When we come back, we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to have another governor candidate names Jason Clark. You're

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<v Speaker 2>definitely going to want to tune in. This guy is

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<v Speaker 2>not a traditional candidate, and I think you may really

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<v Speaker 2>enjoy the interview. You're listening to the Dan Cafleis Show

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<v Speaker 2>out here on six point thirty KHA with Will Kenny,

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<v Speaker 2>Sheriff Steve Rings