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True Murder with your 56 00:02:37.879 --> 00:02:40.439 host journalist and author Dan. 57 00:02:40.479 --> 00:02:51.400 Zupanski, Good Evening. 58 00:02:52.199 --> 00:02:57.120 On June first, nineteen eighty one, two young activists Silm 59 00:02:57.280 --> 00:03:01.879 Domingo and Jeane Verenz were murdered in Seattle and what 60 00:03:02.000 --> 00:03:06.000 was made to appear like a gang's slaying, but the victims, 61 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:09.360 families and friends suspected they were considered a threat to 62 00:03:09.400 --> 00:03:14.159 the dictatorship of Philippines dictator Ferdinand Marcos and his regime's 63 00:03:14.199 --> 00:03:18.240 relationship to the United States. But how could they prove 64 00:03:18.319 --> 00:03:24.599 it up against such powerful and ruthless adversaries. In Summary Execution, 65 00:03:24.800 --> 00:03:28.680 attorney and author Michael White describes his ten year battle 66 00:03:28.759 --> 00:03:32.800 for justice for Domingo and Veroness that he fought because 67 00:03:33.000 --> 00:03:36.599 they killed my friends. Fall along as he embarks on 68 00:03:36.680 --> 00:03:40.159 the long and dangerous investigation and into the court room 69 00:03:40.199 --> 00:03:44.280 to obtain convictions of three hitmen and then prove a 70 00:03:44.439 --> 00:03:48.879 U S. Federal court that Marcos was behind the assassinations. 71 00:03:49.560 --> 00:03:51.759 If so, it would be the first time in U 72 00:03:51.840 --> 00:03:54.240 S history that a foreign head of state would be 73 00:03:54.280 --> 00:03:57.680 held liable for the murder of American citizens on U 74 00:03:57.759 --> 00:04:01.479 S soil. However, to accomplish this, with the and his 75 00:04:01.599 --> 00:04:04.520 r legal team working with the victims, families and friends, 76 00:04:04.919 --> 00:04:08.599 would have to defeat concerted efforts by the murderers and 77 00:04:08.639 --> 00:04:11.800 those who hired them to cover up their crimes and 78 00:04:11.840 --> 00:04:16.959 obstruct justice. Then they'd have to overcome numerous obstacles, including 79 00:04:17.000 --> 00:04:21.879 exposing the perjured eyewitness testimony of an FBI informant, uncovering 80 00:04:21.879 --> 00:04:24.839 the brutal murder of an accomplice who was being sought 81 00:04:25.120 --> 00:04:28.560 to turn state's evidence, and working around the failure by 82 00:04:28.600 --> 00:04:33.680 local authorities to prosecute the Marcos operative who planned the murders. 83 00:04:34.480 --> 00:04:37.839 The book they were featuring this evening is Summary Execution 84 00:04:38.839 --> 00:04:44.480 the Seattle Assassinations of Silne Domingo and Jean Verenes, by 85 00:04:44.560 --> 00:04:49.680 my special guest attorney and author, Michael Withe. Welcome to 86 00:04:49.720 --> 00:04:51.759 the program, and thank you very much for agreeing to 87 00:04:51.800 --> 00:04:52.439 this interview. 88 00:04:53.160 --> 00:04:56.839 Michael Withe, Well, thanks so much for having me. Dan 89 00:04:56.920 --> 00:04:59.759 I'm looking forward to your questions and talking about this 90 00:04:59.839 --> 00:05:00.879 case in this book. 91 00:05:01.959 --> 00:05:06.680 Absolutely fascinating. I normally would ask your background how you 92 00:05:06.720 --> 00:05:09.360 came to come to this, but I think very very 93 00:05:09.480 --> 00:05:14.399 quickly we will find out your incredible involvement in this case, 94 00:05:15.000 --> 00:05:18.199 in this story. So let's start off as you do 95 00:05:18.279 --> 00:05:22.439 in this book. June first, nineteen eighty one. Just to 96 00:05:22.439 --> 00:05:25.839 set the stage here, you have a Local thirty seven 97 00:05:25.959 --> 00:05:33.000 union hall in Seattle, and you have the president, Tony Baruso, 98 00:05:33.759 --> 00:05:36.800 his real name is Constantine, and you open with a 99 00:05:36.800 --> 00:05:41.279 photo in his office of him shaking hands with Ferdinand 100 00:05:41.319 --> 00:05:47.000 marcos So. Then you introduce the secretary treasurer still May, 101 00:05:47.160 --> 00:05:52.040 Domingo Bacher, Jean Verness. So tell us what they were 102 00:05:52.079 --> 00:05:54.720 recently elected as, and tell us a little bit about 103 00:05:54.759 --> 00:05:59.319 the union that they work in and represent, and a 104 00:05:59.319 --> 00:06:03.199 little bit about you mentioned that they don't share Barrusso's politics. 105 00:06:03.560 --> 00:06:05.680 So tell us a little bit about as you do 106 00:06:05.720 --> 00:06:08.600 in the beginning, and set the stage for this incredible 107 00:06:08.680 --> 00:06:15.000 day where they're about to meet activists. Fellow activist David Della. 108 00:06:14.879 --> 00:06:18.279 Sure, Dan Yeajean, and Selmy were leaders of the reform 109 00:06:18.920 --> 00:06:22.279 movement within Local thirty seven. It's a Canary Workers local, 110 00:06:22.399 --> 00:06:28.439 largely Filipino workforce that dispatches at at that time about 111 00:06:28.519 --> 00:06:32.680 fourteen hundred canary workers out of Seattle to basically work 112 00:06:32.720 --> 00:06:36.279 the slimelines up in Alaska at the canneries. They were 113 00:06:36.480 --> 00:06:40.959 very popular. They had been doing union organizing for years, 114 00:06:41.160 --> 00:06:44.279 and they had also brought race discrimination suits against the 115 00:06:44.600 --> 00:06:49.199 Alaska seafood industry. And they had decided that they wanted 116 00:06:49.279 --> 00:06:54.160 to reform the dispatch out of Local thirty seven from 117 00:06:54.160 --> 00:06:58.439 one which is basically kind of based on bribes you 118 00:06:58.519 --> 00:07:01.519 have to pay to Tony Baruss or to the foreman, 119 00:07:02.519 --> 00:07:05.639 and and just not fair to carry workers who had 120 00:07:05.639 --> 00:07:08.480 worked the previous years. So Gene and sell Me and 121 00:07:08.480 --> 00:07:11.519 I came up with a reformed dispatch that based on 122 00:07:11.639 --> 00:07:15.600 the constitution. Well, both Gene and sell Me were aware 123 00:07:15.680 --> 00:07:18.360 that there were forces within the union that, you know, 124 00:07:19.040 --> 00:07:22.279 weren't going to be happy with this dispatch. But on 125 00:07:22.319 --> 00:07:24.439 the other hand, and there had been there had been 126 00:07:24.480 --> 00:07:31.560 a very kind of scary encounter with Tony Dictata, who 127 00:07:31.639 --> 00:07:34.879 was the head of the local Tulisan gang that was 128 00:07:34.920 --> 00:07:39.399 a Filipino gang in the International District. And Tony Dictato 129 00:07:39.439 --> 00:07:41.639 had wanted some of his boys to be dispatched up 130 00:07:41.680 --> 00:07:45.040 to the dilling and camerony at peter Pan in Alaska 131 00:07:45.360 --> 00:07:48.720 that weren't dispatched under the new dispatch, So there was 132 00:07:48.720 --> 00:07:54.120 some you know, angry words exchanged. In the meantime, both 133 00:07:54.199 --> 00:07:56.720 gene and sell Me, who had just recently been elected 134 00:07:56.720 --> 00:08:00.519 to the Union, were seen as kind of a threat 135 00:08:00.600 --> 00:08:03.680 to Tony Brusso, who was the Union president, but also 136 00:08:03.759 --> 00:08:08.600 a very strong pro Marcos ally, and so Gena and 137 00:08:08.639 --> 00:08:11.319 tell Me have been very active in anti Marcos politics, 138 00:08:11.360 --> 00:08:15.000 both in the United States and internationally. And I can 139 00:08:15.040 --> 00:08:18.199 go into more detail what Gena tell Me had done 140 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:22.519 which threatened the relationship between Ferdinand Marcos and the labor 141 00:08:22.519 --> 00:08:26.399 movement in the Philippines and the opposition in the countryside. 142 00:08:26.800 --> 00:08:31.279 But needless to say, they were there on June first, 143 00:08:31.319 --> 00:08:36.360 in the context in a vortex of union reform, not 144 00:08:36.639 --> 00:08:39.960 you know, Tony Bruso not happy with them. And then 145 00:08:40.360 --> 00:08:43.399 they're anti Marcos politics, all of which came into play 146 00:08:43.879 --> 00:08:46.960 when the boats start flying in that Union hall. 147 00:08:49.440 --> 00:08:52.000 Now you also talk about them being this partners in 148 00:08:52.039 --> 00:08:54.759 this movement. So why don't you just go back, as 149 00:08:54.799 --> 00:08:59.600 you do quickly to a little bit about the backgrounds 150 00:08:59.639 --> 00:09:03.080 of so made dominion as opposed to his partner. They 151 00:09:03.159 --> 00:09:05.639 make great partners, but they are very, very different people. 152 00:09:06.159 --> 00:09:08.000 And so tell us a little bit of bit about 153 00:09:08.159 --> 00:09:11.679 Silmy Domingo. First, you talk about his father being the 154 00:09:11.799 --> 00:09:14.120 former vice president of Local thirty seven, so this is 155 00:09:14.159 --> 00:09:15.840 in his blood. So tell us a little bit about 156 00:09:16.039 --> 00:09:16.879 Silmy Domingo. 157 00:09:18.279 --> 00:09:20.279 Well, sell me, when he first went to the cannery, 158 00:09:20.440 --> 00:09:24.320 saw his father's name etched in a you know, kind 159 00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:29.279 of carved out Numisio Domingo Senior, and just realized the 160 00:09:29.320 --> 00:09:33.679 importance that this work held for Filipinos coming to the 161 00:09:33.840 --> 00:09:39.360 United States because his father's initials were engraved in the 162 00:09:39.440 --> 00:09:42.399 carry back in the you know, back in the in 163 00:09:42.440 --> 00:09:47.639 the nineteen fifties. But more importantly, you know, Selly was 164 00:09:48.159 --> 00:09:51.159 a strategist. He was one of the leaders of the 165 00:09:51.279 --> 00:09:55.720 Union of Democratic Filipinos as a national anti Marcos pro 166 00:09:55.840 --> 00:10:00.320 socialist organization in the US. He was the kind of 167 00:10:00.360 --> 00:10:03.519 the mastermind, I think of the strategist. He was a 168 00:10:03.559 --> 00:10:07.159 great union organizer. He knew how to talk you know, 169 00:10:07.639 --> 00:10:11.159 canary workers into joining the union in an unbelievably great way. 170 00:10:11.759 --> 00:10:15.279 And you know, he was a very formidable opponent. He 171 00:10:15.399 --> 00:10:18.399 was my best friend and tell me, you know, loan 172 00:10:18.519 --> 00:10:21.639 me his car if my family came to town. We 173 00:10:21.720 --> 00:10:25.440 shared a lot, and he was just an amazing, amazing, 174 00:10:25.519 --> 00:10:28.519 dynamic guy. 175 00:10:29.200 --> 00:10:33.120 Tell us a little bit about Jean Verness and sure 176 00:10:33.879 --> 00:10:35.159 the differences between the two. 177 00:10:36.240 --> 00:10:38.440 Well, Jane was the assault of the earth. He came 178 00:10:38.519 --> 00:10:43.000 from His dad was Filipino and his mom was Caucasian, 179 00:10:43.039 --> 00:10:45.639 and he grew up with eleven brothers and sisters out 180 00:10:45.679 --> 00:10:50.200 in Wapatoau, Washington, where there was seasonal work in farm working, 181 00:10:50.879 --> 00:10:54.639 but also cannary work, which is what Jane really took to. 182 00:10:56.039 --> 00:10:58.919 You know, he was he's always in his overalls and 183 00:10:58.919 --> 00:11:01.919 and he would come to the International District to help, 184 00:11:02.720 --> 00:11:05.519 you know, help with a community garden for instance. And 185 00:11:05.679 --> 00:11:08.159 Jean would be out there in his wheelbarrow whill bearing 186 00:11:08.200 --> 00:11:10.600 around doing all the work and sell me in his 187 00:11:10.679 --> 00:11:13.799 pump elevator's shoes would be standing on the rock looking 188 00:11:13.840 --> 00:11:17.360 like a million bucks kind of directing people. So, you know, 189 00:11:17.440 --> 00:11:21.679 Bob Santo's the unofficial mayor of the International District, kind 190 00:11:21.679 --> 00:11:24.720 of had that description of him selling the strategists. But 191 00:11:24.840 --> 00:11:28.840 Jean got the work done and they were totally inseparable. 192 00:11:28.879 --> 00:11:33.360 They were each other's best friends. And I just think that, 193 00:11:33.720 --> 00:11:36.039 you know, it was always Gene and sell Me. You know, 194 00:11:36.559 --> 00:11:38.440 it wasn't sell Me did this or Gene in that. 195 00:11:38.600 --> 00:11:43.240 It was Gene and sell Me. And unfortunately they died together, 196 00:11:43.320 --> 00:11:46.360 but they lived an amazing life. You know. Jane was 197 00:11:46.519 --> 00:11:49.000 worked at the canneries, and when I went up there 198 00:11:49.720 --> 00:11:52.639 to do organizing, you know, when sell Me walked in, 199 00:11:52.799 --> 00:11:55.080 everybody would stop working and they we'd all come up 200 00:11:55.080 --> 00:11:57.480 to it, and there would be Gene with his decibel 201 00:11:58.600 --> 00:12:01.399 reader to say, hey, this sees the desibel levels. We 202 00:12:01.480 --> 00:12:03.000 gotta you know, we got to get a hold of 203 00:12:03.039 --> 00:12:05.879 ocean and stuff. He was. He was just an unbelievably 204 00:12:05.919 --> 00:12:07.279 dedicated leader. 205 00:12:11.399 --> 00:12:15.279 Now you talk about Ben Galoy and Jimmy Rammel, and 206 00:12:15.360 --> 00:12:18.519 if I'm mispronounced his names, please correct me. And you 207 00:12:18.559 --> 00:12:22.639 explain that they are members of this aforementioned gang, the 208 00:12:22.720 --> 00:12:25.360 Tulisan gang, which is a Filipino gang. Tell us what 209 00:12:25.440 --> 00:12:30.080 the philip this Tulissan gang really specializes in, and tell 210 00:12:30.159 --> 00:12:32.120 us a little bit more a little bit more about 211 00:12:32.200 --> 00:12:33.759 Ben Galoy and Jimmy Rammel. 212 00:12:35.320 --> 00:12:39.279 Yeah, Uh, Dictato, Tony Dictato was the was the head 213 00:12:39.320 --> 00:12:43.480 of the gang, and basically they ran gambling operations in 214 00:12:43.519 --> 00:12:46.919 the International District at the five O nine and six 215 00:12:46.960 --> 00:12:50.159 O two clubs. These are two clubs that were run there. 216 00:12:50.240 --> 00:12:53.240 They were involved with They were suspected of being involved 217 00:12:53.240 --> 00:13:00.279 in murders of prior cannery worker dispatchers. Rameil hadd to 218 00:13:00.320 --> 00:13:03.080 the Canaries but was kicked out because he was he 219 00:13:03.159 --> 00:13:05.240 was a tough He was basically he had eyes of 220 00:13:05.519 --> 00:13:09.320 cold steel. Terry Mass, the widow of sell Me to 221 00:13:09.399 --> 00:13:13.960 Mingo and a Canary worker herself, recalls that Selmy said, 222 00:13:14.000 --> 00:13:17.600 the guy is just a cold blooded murder. Bengaloya, on 223 00:13:17.639 --> 00:13:21.360 the other hand, was kind of a novice in the gang. 224 00:13:21.639 --> 00:13:24.960 I think he was sent as a kind of a 225 00:13:25.000 --> 00:13:27.799 decoy because he had been close to sell Me. Sell 226 00:13:27.879 --> 00:13:30.759 Me had loaned him money in his youth, and he 227 00:13:30.879 --> 00:13:33.799 was recently kind of being recruited into the Tuisson gang. 228 00:13:34.600 --> 00:13:36.919 So if you want me to describe the murders and 229 00:13:36.960 --> 00:13:40.399 how they happened, I'd be happy to. But it was 230 00:13:40.519 --> 00:13:45.399 Ramil was selected by Dictato to be the gunman and 231 00:13:45.519 --> 00:13:50.080 Galoy was the decoy. And then there was another Tulisan 232 00:13:50.159 --> 00:13:53.159 gang member named boy Peelai short for Taio Dernico's the 233 00:13:53.279 --> 00:13:57.440 mingas and he was the lookout and the also a decoy. 234 00:13:58.240 --> 00:14:00.840 And I'll describe how the murders happened, you know, when 235 00:14:00.919 --> 00:14:01.559 you want me to. 236 00:14:04.080 --> 00:14:09.240 Before you describe this June first murder assassination as you 237 00:14:09.320 --> 00:14:12.320 describe them. And now we set up who the perpetrators are, 238 00:14:12.879 --> 00:14:16.720 Galoy and rammel So and this is a Tulissan gang, 239 00:14:17.840 --> 00:14:20.399 and of course we will talk about the incredible motive 240 00:14:20.440 --> 00:14:23.200 and what it looks like rather than what it really is. 241 00:14:24.399 --> 00:14:27.240 You have alluded to, did you? This is your friends 242 00:14:27.559 --> 00:14:31.000 and you've been involved. But in a few pages you 243 00:14:31.120 --> 00:14:34.360 talk about and explain that you were just about to 244 00:14:34.360 --> 00:14:38.600 address a large May Day demonstration and militant march of 245 00:14:38.600 --> 00:14:42.639 ten thousand people on the streets of Seattle, protesting Ronald 246 00:14:42.720 --> 00:14:49.200 Reagan's administration's welfare cutbacks on and their ongoing union bashing. 247 00:14:50.639 --> 00:14:53.480 Now and as you explained, you were a private attorney 248 00:14:53.480 --> 00:14:56.600 with a small solo practice. You help fund the Seattle 249 00:14:56.679 --> 00:15:00.799 Law Collective with then your then brother in law, Dan Smith, 250 00:15:01.279 --> 00:15:04.519 and together you represented protesters, union members, and minorities in 251 00:15:04.559 --> 00:15:08.039 a series of controversial cases. And you moved back to 252 00:15:08.080 --> 00:15:11.120 Seattle spending about a year in Puerto Rico fighting for 253 00:15:11.159 --> 00:15:15.679 the independence movement there. So now tell us just a 254 00:15:15.679 --> 00:15:18.639 little bit more about the KDP in the Union of 255 00:15:18.679 --> 00:15:23.720 Democratic Filipinos and your relationship in that organization, and again 256 00:15:24.440 --> 00:15:28.799 why these people were your friends but much more your comrades. 257 00:15:30.559 --> 00:15:34.960 Right. Well, first of all, I was part of that 258 00:15:35.639 --> 00:15:38.879 the leadership of that large march that took on Reaganomics 259 00:15:38.879 --> 00:15:42.320 and the new Reagan administration. But that was as part 260 00:15:42.360 --> 00:15:45.440 of a movement in Seattle called No Separate Peace that 261 00:15:45.559 --> 00:15:48.960 Gena and sell Mey were also leaders of. And what 262 00:15:49.080 --> 00:15:51.919 was unique about the Seattle politics was the fact that 263 00:15:53.279 --> 00:15:56.679 you know, I went to to Beacon Hill School when 264 00:15:56.720 --> 00:16:00.519 we occupied it to create Alcinto Dayla Lasa. Well, were 265 00:16:00.519 --> 00:16:04.600 there if we went down to the picket lines surrounding 266 00:16:05.320 --> 00:16:07.759 a construction site, there were no people of color on 267 00:16:07.960 --> 00:16:11.639 that were building the buildings. People would occupy those spaces, 268 00:16:11.919 --> 00:16:16.360 and the African American construction crews were there. So everybody 269 00:16:16.399 --> 00:16:19.559 worked with one another. And the Union of Democratic Filipinos 270 00:16:20.480 --> 00:16:23.879 was a leading organization in the entire United States. Formed 271 00:16:23.919 --> 00:16:27.200 after Marshall Law was declared in the Philippines in nineteen 272 00:16:27.240 --> 00:16:31.600 seventy two, very dynamic leadership, very effective. They helped establish 273 00:16:31.639 --> 00:16:35.960 the coalition against the Marcus dictatorship. They were seen is 274 00:16:36.039 --> 00:16:41.840 kind of the leftist, more revolutionary elements within the anti 275 00:16:41.879 --> 00:16:45.279 Marcos opposition. They sought the overthrow of the Marcos regime. 276 00:16:45.679 --> 00:16:50.519 There's also moderate politicians like the Senator Bnino Okino, who 277 00:16:50.559 --> 00:16:54.240 were wanted to pursue the electoral path of going back 278 00:16:54.279 --> 00:16:59.879 to the Philippines when democracy eventually was brought back. But 279 00:17:00.600 --> 00:17:03.080 genens sell Me where labor leaders within the Union of 280 00:17:03.120 --> 00:17:07.480 Democratic Filipinos. The KDP wasn't a union itself, it was 281 00:17:07.519 --> 00:17:13.079 a political organization, but they also had members in various unions. Well. 282 00:17:13.079 --> 00:17:16.519 The International Longshore and Warehouseman's Union was a very important 283 00:17:16.599 --> 00:17:19.880 union on the West Coast. They loaded and unloaded all 284 00:17:19.920 --> 00:17:22.880 the commodities that went to and from the Philippines and 285 00:17:23.000 --> 00:17:27.119 Hawaii and the US. So to be officers within the 286 00:17:27.160 --> 00:17:30.680 isle WU Local thirty seven gave gene sell Me a 287 00:17:30.720 --> 00:17:33.960 lot of cachet and the ability then to go to 288 00:17:34.000 --> 00:17:38.920 the Philippines and you know, and meet with the organizations 289 00:17:38.960 --> 00:17:43.559 there that were opposed to Marcos. Right, So that's some 290 00:17:43.680 --> 00:17:48.960 of the background that comes together here. Dave Della was 291 00:17:49.039 --> 00:17:51.799 also a member of the Union of Democratic Filipinos. He 292 00:17:52.000 --> 00:17:55.920 was late for the meeting that afternoon because if he 293 00:17:55.960 --> 00:17:58.400 had been on time, he probably would have been assassinated 294 00:17:58.440 --> 00:18:01.240 as well. 295 00:18:01.319 --> 00:18:04.039 Let's talk about you. You mentioned that they're supposed to 296 00:18:04.039 --> 00:18:06.720 meet Dave Della there at the local thirty seven Union Hall. 297 00:18:07.319 --> 00:18:12.799 What was it the meeting was about? Was it anything untypical? 298 00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:14.599 It was? It was about the. 299 00:18:16.720 --> 00:18:18.839 Hello it is Ryan and I was on a flight 300 00:18:18.880 --> 00:18:21.079 the other day playing one of my favorite social spin 301 00:18:21.160 --> 00:18:23.759 slot games on chumbacasino dot com. 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What's different about this meeting? 323 00:19:49.559 --> 00:19:52.359 Well, it was typical. It was about some of their 324 00:19:52.400 --> 00:19:57.519 work in the anti Marcus opposition. Jene had just returned 325 00:19:57.559 --> 00:20:00.480 from the Philippines and Gene and sell Me had return 326 00:20:00.559 --> 00:20:04.400 from the International Lunture Warehouseman's Union. There was some great 327 00:20:04.440 --> 00:20:10.640 progress made in both of those trips, and they were 328 00:20:10.680 --> 00:20:12.480 also talking about some of the work going on in 329 00:20:12.519 --> 00:20:15.640 the local community where they were fighting for the rights 330 00:20:15.640 --> 00:20:21.039 of the dispossessed and disenfranchised, particularly over housing issues, trying 331 00:20:21.079 --> 00:20:24.640 to maintain the character of the international district. So that 332 00:20:24.799 --> 00:20:25.400 was their meeting. 333 00:20:28.839 --> 00:20:33.640 Now what happens and where is Gene and where is 334 00:20:34.160 --> 00:20:38.519 Silmy and what do they see and what do they encounter? 335 00:20:40.720 --> 00:20:43.720 Well, it was four twenty. They were with the exception 336 00:20:43.839 --> 00:20:46.079 of Johnny Theodore, who was the janitor, they were the 337 00:20:46.119 --> 00:20:48.680 only two people in the union hall. In the outer office. 338 00:20:49.680 --> 00:20:53.400 Jean had received the phone call from Ben Beloy because 339 00:20:53.440 --> 00:20:57.160 Ben wanted to know whether he could be dispatched to 340 00:20:57.240 --> 00:21:03.440 Alaska to work. Was at a filing cabinet. Selmy was 341 00:21:03.480 --> 00:21:06.519 in the swivel chair at his desk which is next 342 00:21:06.559 --> 00:21:08.720 to the file cabinet, so the two of them were 343 00:21:08.839 --> 00:21:11.720 within three or four feet of each other. So at 344 00:21:11.720 --> 00:21:18.559 that time, Jimmy Rameil had a brown paper bag. Ben 345 00:21:18.599 --> 00:21:21.519 Galoy enters the union hall first, which would kind of 346 00:21:21.559 --> 00:21:23.920 put Geene and sell Me off because if Vermeil had 347 00:21:23.920 --> 00:21:26.079 walked in, sell Me would have known something was up. 348 00:21:27.039 --> 00:21:31.160 So Ben comes in first. Rameal then comes in afterwards. 349 00:21:31.799 --> 00:21:34.400 Out of the brown paper bag, pulls out a Mac 350 00:21:34.519 --> 00:21:40.559 ten forty five caliber execution piece with a suppressor, points 351 00:21:40.559 --> 00:21:43.680 it at Jane, fires twice. Jean sees him, dies for 352 00:21:43.839 --> 00:21:48.119 the floor, and Gene is struck with two bullets tearing 353 00:21:48.119 --> 00:21:50.960 into his back and into his heart, killing him instantly. 354 00:21:51.759 --> 00:21:56.200 He Rameil then swivels the gun toward sell Me, who's 355 00:21:56.240 --> 00:21:59.400 getting starting to get up from his chair, and puts 356 00:21:59.440 --> 00:22:01.920 four or four five caliber bullet holes and sell me, 357 00:22:02.519 --> 00:22:07.039 believing him dead. Ramil and Gloy then exit the Union hall, 358 00:22:07.160 --> 00:22:10.839 put the mac ten back into the paper bag and 359 00:22:10.920 --> 00:22:14.599 walk down the alley, which is you know, has walls 360 00:22:14.599 --> 00:22:18.680 on either side at that time. Boy Peli, the third hitman, 361 00:22:19.400 --> 00:22:25.079 then is the lookout. He then walked, runs across the street, 362 00:22:25.440 --> 00:22:28.319 gets into a black trans dam driven by Tony Dictato 363 00:22:28.400 --> 00:22:30.759 and drive off. Now that we didn't know any of 364 00:22:30.799 --> 00:22:34.000 this at the time, but that's that's who the hit 365 00:22:34.079 --> 00:22:37.400 team was. Four members of the tulis Un gang. Sell Me, 366 00:22:37.640 --> 00:22:42.000 with unbelievable courage and bravery, gets out of his chair 367 00:22:42.039 --> 00:22:45.640 with forty five caliber bullet holes in him. Believe you know, 368 00:22:45.759 --> 00:22:49.319 drop it, drops of blood across the union floor, goes 369 00:22:49.480 --> 00:22:54.240 out into the outside of the Union Hall and collapses 370 00:22:54.279 --> 00:22:57.960 on the on the sidewalk, screaming and yelling you know, 371 00:22:58.480 --> 00:23:01.720 help me, help me. Believe it or not. There was 372 00:23:01.759 --> 00:23:06.759 a fire station a block away and two first responders 373 00:23:06.799 --> 00:23:10.119 hear the cries of help. Someone said, hey, someone's been shot, 374 00:23:10.480 --> 00:23:14.680 So they went out and sell me was able to. 375 00:23:14.839 --> 00:23:17.920 Then the fireman say, what happened? I've been shot? Who 376 00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:22.359 shot you? Rameil and gooy? And so they write the 377 00:23:22.480 --> 00:23:24.920 names down, and one of them misspelled the name, said 378 00:23:25.000 --> 00:23:27.400 Ramo R A M M O, and sell Me corrected 379 00:23:27.480 --> 00:23:33.440 him to R A M I L So boom right 380 00:23:33.440 --> 00:23:35.880 then and there sell Me was able to live long 381 00:23:36.000 --> 00:23:40.000 enough to name the two people that shot him. So 382 00:23:40.119 --> 00:23:45.079 then the fire trucks came, and the meta came, and 383 00:23:45.200 --> 00:23:49.880 sell me it was hustled off to the Harbor View 384 00:23:49.920 --> 00:23:53.119 Hospital in a vain attempt to save his life. And then, 385 00:23:53.160 --> 00:23:56.319 if I could excuse me, if I could read from 386 00:23:56.319 --> 00:24:00.279 the just a real quick passage from the book, here's 387 00:24:00.279 --> 00:24:03.480 what else happened, so says the ambulance ward off to 388 00:24:03.519 --> 00:24:07.359 Harvardview Medical Center, sirens blaring across the street from the 389 00:24:07.440 --> 00:24:10.240 Union Hall. A middle aged man in a gray suit 390 00:24:10.240 --> 00:24:14.000 and dark glasses emerged from a telephone booth, looked at 391 00:24:14.000 --> 00:24:16.079 the scene in front of the Union and slipped into 392 00:24:16.119 --> 00:24:19.240 his car. As he pulled away from the curb, heading 393 00:24:19.319 --> 00:24:22.440 south on Second Avenue, he lifted a Cbee radio to 394 00:24:22.519 --> 00:24:27.119 his lips and started to speak, So what I do 395 00:24:27.240 --> 00:24:29.759 In the first, very first chapter, of the book introduced 396 00:24:29.759 --> 00:24:32.640 the fact that there was someone we didn't know who 397 00:24:32.640 --> 00:24:35.880 it was at the time across the street watching all 398 00:24:35.960 --> 00:24:41.960 this come down. And I'll explain later how this person's 399 00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:44.240 surfaced and how we found out who he was. 400 00:24:45.799 --> 00:24:53.359 Yes, it's incredible. Now, obviously, Silmy Domingo's partners Terry mast 401 00:24:53.440 --> 00:24:58.720