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Speaker 1: of good stuff going on today. The usual life and
Speaker 1: death and deep dive Alliance Defending Freedom joined us at
Speaker 1: four thirty six. You might want to pick that off
Speaker 1: the pod if you didn't hear it. Hel framped and
Speaker 1: no relation was with us. He's lead attorney on this
Speaker 1: very important lawsuit, Winter Winter Chicken Dinner.
Speaker 2: Let's sue the state of Colorado for the.
Speaker 1: Obviously unconstitutional HB thirteen twelve, which is now law in
Speaker 1: your home state if you happen to live here. So
Speaker 1: most businesses at this point our subject to being prosecuted
Speaker 1: by the Civil Rights Division if they tell the truth.
Speaker 2: And if you've got a man standing there and you
Speaker 2: refer to him as a man or you do it
Speaker 2: and you're advertising.
Speaker 1: Whatever, you're in violation of Colorado law. So yeah, that
Speaker 1: they're going to win. The question is how quickly. And
Speaker 1: again the process is punishment, right, that's what the left does.
Speaker 1: This law will cause a lot of people to self censor,
Speaker 1: a lot of people to just be afraid of the fight,
Speaker 1: and then they'll punish as much as they can the
Speaker 1: brave people who stand up and fight him, until those
Speaker 1: brave people eventually win, which they will. So we did
Speaker 1: that deep dive at four thirty six and love to
Speaker 1: get your take on that. We've now kind of open
Speaker 1: it up to poetry. We're looking for people who can
Speaker 1: make a great political statement in a poetic way and
Speaker 1: so really anxious to see what you can come up
Speaker 1: with there. That's been kind of fun. We've got some
Speaker 1: fun sounded the day as well. Ryan at Scott Jennings
Speaker 1: on his show earlier today, Ryan is this great show
Speaker 1: two to four in the Denver market each day.
Speaker 2: Just before this show.
Speaker 1: Scott Jennings one of my favorite people in media all time.
Speaker 1: Really have not met him personally, but just admire the
Speaker 1: work he does. I think he's presidential material, but certain
Speaker 1: will be us Senator from Kentucky if he wants it.
Speaker 1: And then we have this list going of top ten
Speaker 1: heroes in Colorado history, because as we are talking to
Speaker 1: Alliance Defending Freedom about this x x X Y athletics
Speaker 1: case where they're CEO willing to take on this fight,
Speaker 1: and that brought you know, Jack Phillips up and Lauriat
Speaker 1: three or three creative, just all these brave people we've
Speaker 1: had in Colorado who've been willing to stand up to
Speaker 1: the left or in other formats. It doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be politics, right, I mean, obviously start with military, police fire.
Speaker 1: But this list of top ten heroes in Colorado history.
Speaker 1: Would love your take on that. Of course, we've got
Speaker 1: you've got to have Kendrick Castile way up near the top,
Speaker 1: if not at the top. You've got Dave Sanders as well.
Speaker 1: Both gave their lives to save the innocent in school
Speaker 1: shootings here in Colorado. But there are lots of different
Speaker 1: heroes in different categories. So submit your nomination please. Do
Speaker 1: we have a trophy or something? Ryan, Have we come
Speaker 1: up with anything there? Three or three someone three eight
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Speaker 1: seven seven three nine. I mean the critical mistake of
Speaker 1: thinking that Ryan was listening to this show.
Speaker 3: Oh no, I know that.
Speaker 2: Just you are the octopus. I have so much cool.
Speaker 3: He's going on behind the scenes here. They kind of
Speaker 3: caught me off.
Speaker 1: Anything you want to share, it makes you get caught
Speaker 1: in class, right, mister Kaplos, Anything you want to share
Speaker 1: with the class.
Speaker 3: It's something Kelly did. We were talking about this earlier
Speaker 3: an hour ago, and I pulled the Dan caps.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, wow, yeah, yeah yeah. Is it something you
Speaker 2: can share?
Speaker 4: Uh, now, it's something that you're going to be tackling
Speaker 4: during the breakout.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, well I look forward to tackling that. Well, yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Got a block and tackle, got a block and tackle
Speaker 1: r I want to get to some hot sound of
Speaker 1: the day as well. I will get to some Michael
Speaker 1: Bennett's sound. But I don't know why Ryan, because is
Speaker 1: it just me? Do you have this in your show?
Speaker 1: There is like no interest whatsoever in this Colorado governor's
Speaker 1: race or this Colorado Senate race. I mean, none of
Speaker 1: the Democrats are generating any excitement. Nobody thinks the Republican
Speaker 1: can win, so it's like a total non event.
Speaker 4: I think Senator Bennett would be wise to hire me,
Speaker 4: because it seems like when I do the impression, at
Speaker 4: least that gets a reaction in some cases.
Speaker 3: But other than that, when it's just him, then yeah,
Speaker 3: it's like paint drying.
Speaker 2: Would you work for him?
Speaker 3: I mean in what capacity? Like to make fun of
Speaker 3: him to his face?
Speaker 2: I thought would be a quick no, but maybe paid enough.
Speaker 3: I like the impersonation you do.
Speaker 4: If you could just do that, keep me humble and
Speaker 4: grounded and like on my game, then I'd.
Speaker 3: Be like, I don't know how much you're paying me?
Speaker 3: Can you what you know?
Speaker 2: Politics? Aside?
Speaker 1: Just what a waste it would be for Colorado if
Speaker 1: he ended up governor, right, because I know.
Speaker 3: He's just not.
Speaker 2: He's just not qualified.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he has skill sets in other areas, but
Speaker 1: he doesn't have the skill set to be that the
Speaker 1: chief executive of the state, to lead the state, to
Speaker 1: be governor. I mean, truly, can you think of anybody
Speaker 1: police is second but not by an inch, by a mile?
Speaker 1: Can you think of anybody an elective life from either
Speaker 1: party who has done less with more than Michael Bennett
Speaker 1: all these years in the Senate, et cetera. He doesn't
Speaker 1: have the skills to be effective, let alone as a
Speaker 1: CEO of a state.
Speaker 3: Does he even really want it?
Speaker 4: I don't know what he's kind of purposes, and that
Speaker 4: kind of goes to your point of he's just there.
Speaker 4: Kyle Clark made the humorous observation that he's like a cicada.
Speaker 3: Comes around every thirteen years and pops up.
Speaker 1: Isn't that the ultimate damnation? I mean, wait a second.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's a great father, he's a great dad,
Speaker 1: this and that. But when you are given when you
Speaker 1: are given the privilege of a US Senate seat and
Speaker 1: all the opportunity to do good that comes with that,
Speaker 1: and I understand our ideology is different, right, But you're
Speaker 1: given that, and then you essentially pull a weekend at
Speaker 1: Bernie's for how many years, ten or fifteen years?
Speaker 2: You're just a sleep at the wheel. They have to
Speaker 2: literally take your pulse and you accomplish nothing, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, what does the guy accomplish? That's my point.
Speaker 1: And listen, if a lefty's going to have the office,
Speaker 1: that's a good thing. You don't want him accomplishing anything
Speaker 1: but the state of Colorado. If you're running the state,
Speaker 1: that's a different deal. Because leadership is going to be required.
Speaker 1: They are going to be I'm not even getting into
Speaker 1: policy opportunities yet. I'm talking about crises. I'm talking about
Speaker 1: leading the people of the state through tough times.
Speaker 3: It's going to be required.
Speaker 1: He has shown none of those skills whatsoever. Now, Wiser,
Speaker 1: who's going to get beat by a drum, like a
Speaker 1: drum by this guy.
Speaker 2: He'll be forced out of the race. He'll leave the race.
Speaker 1: Hoping to get the Senate seat appointment. You know, Wiser
Speaker 1: at least has accomplished some things. I mean, you look
Speaker 1: at his life and I think Wiser would be a
Speaker 1: lousy governor. But more over ideology, because Wiser is accomplished
Speaker 1: some things. He worked hard. He became a US Supreme
Speaker 1: Court clerk, which is very hard to get. You know,
Speaker 1: He's accomplished some things in office. No, I don't agree
Speaker 1: with the things he's done in office. But Bennett is
Speaker 1: just I'd say a bump on a log, but it
Speaker 1: would be defamatory of every bump on a log out there.
Speaker 4: And that just goes to where's the drive, where's the passion,
Speaker 4: where's the fun himself?
Speaker 3: But for himself, that's the drive.
Speaker 4: Yes, But can you know the same about Polis right
Speaker 4: that he self aggrandizing, well, self indulgent.
Speaker 1: Listen it, hey, listen to any of us in media,
Speaker 1: anybody in politics. Right, these are people, you know, with
Speaker 1: strong egos, they like attention, et cetera. So I'm never
Speaker 1: going to criticize somebody for that. But what you would
Speaker 1: say with a Polish or a Bennett whatever, is there
Speaker 1: something more? Are they about something bigger than themselves? And
Speaker 1: do they have the skills to accomplish it? And when
Speaker 1: you look at Bennett, it can be nothing other than
Speaker 1: a resounding no. And then you match that right with
Speaker 1: the ultimate arrogance, the ultimate entitlement, unearned by the way,
Speaker 1: and where he's going to come in and say, this
Speaker 1: is my Senate seat, this is my Senate seat, and
Speaker 1: I'm going to decide who fills it next. So the
Speaker 1: Senate seat goes virtually ignored while he's here running for governor.
Speaker 2: That's just the ultimate arrogance.
Speaker 1: All I'm saying is he is one of the last
Speaker 1: people on the face of the earth who should be
Speaker 1: governor of Colorado, regardless of politics.
Speaker 4: And not that he would get it, but it's the
Speaker 4: only explanation that makes sense as to why Phil Wiser,
Speaker 4: the primary opponent of Michael Bennett in the race on
Speaker 4: the Democratic side, wouldn't have just hammered Bennett over holding
Speaker 4: onto that Senate seat while also trying to run for governor.
Speaker 3: If he really wanted to be governor, Phil Wiser, he would.
Speaker 4: Have taken that political opportunity and seized upon it.
Speaker 3: But instead, the only thing that makes sense is what
Speaker 3: you said. He's going to stay quiet and he'll take.
Speaker 4: The Senate appointment from Bennett when Bennett wins the governor's race.
Speaker 3: That's lame.
Speaker 1: No, what's going on now, I believe right I don't
Speaker 1: have subpoena power. I can't prove it, but what I've
Speaker 1: believes going on is that Wiser is attempting to stay
Speaker 1: in the race long enough and build enough of a
Speaker 1: credible threat to Bennett that Wiser gets the Senate seat
Speaker 1: for getting out of the race. That's what I think
Speaker 1: is going on right now. I'm not suggesting illegality. I'm
Speaker 1: not suggesting that he's going to end up in Blagoyevich's
Speaker 1: old cell. I'm talking about just the unstated, implicit understanding.
Speaker 1: But right now, Wiser doesn't have the leverage because there's
Speaker 1: no reason to believe right now that Wiser could beat Bennett.
Speaker 1: So I think Wiser's trying to develop the leverage to
Speaker 1: be in position ay to get that Senate seat when
Speaker 1: Wiser does get out of the race. That's my own theory.
Speaker 1: I'm sticking to it, and Phil can come on and
Speaker 1: tell me I'm wrong. If you'd like to, like Prime says,
Speaker 1: ain't hard to find. You're on the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 3: You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 5: Of course we should be talking about how, yeah, if
Speaker 5: you know, Speaker Johnson got his way, it wouldn't be possible,
Speaker 5: not just for gay people to get married, but for
Speaker 5: straight people to get divorced, let alone like birth control.
Speaker 3: Or how he would want to regulate porn or whatever.
Speaker 5: People most people would have a problem with.
Speaker 2: These guys are so stupid. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I know they have technically, they have high intelligence levels
Speaker 1: a guy like buddhaj Edge, but they are so street stupid.
Speaker 1: They do not understand that most Americans across party lines
Speaker 1: have have what each of us consider to be a
Speaker 1: strong sense of truth and fairness and right and wrong.
Speaker 1: And so when you tell obvious whopper lies like that, Okay,
Speaker 1: Mike Johnston doesn't want you to be able to get divorced.
Speaker 1: Stuff like that. All the Democrats are doing is hurting themselves.
Speaker 1: But since their existence right now depends upon lying, because
Speaker 1: they know the truth will not win for them, they
Speaker 1: try to, I guess, earn their bones and get street
Speaker 1: cred within the party by proving they will tell the
Speaker 1: biggest whoppers. It's a remarkable thing, you know, But I
Speaker 1: hope they keep doing it because they just keep hurting themselves.
Speaker 1: And I know there are probably folks in this audience thinking,
Speaker 1: wait a second, Dan, you're wrong about Democrats. You know,
Speaker 1: the Democrats don't believe in truth, this and that. I
Speaker 1: really think you have to distinguish between the people who
Speaker 1: own and operate the Democratic Party and at least a
Speaker 1: decent swath of typical Democrats. And I put that decent
Speaker 1: swath part, what do you think the percentage on the
Speaker 1: decent swaths would be, Ryan, I'd say, depending on where
Speaker 1: you are, but at least half. And I know that
Speaker 1: because I was a Democrat for a long time. Virtually
Speaker 1: everybody in my family, in fact, everybody in my family
Speaker 1: outside of Colorado's Democrat. And these are good people. With
Speaker 1: their honest people with morals and principles, and they care
Speaker 1: about truth. Now they see things politically different, and I do.
Speaker 1: And a lot of that is just they could never
Speaker 1: imagine being a Republican. But yeah, so that they are
Speaker 1: not going to respect or take kindly to, or want
Speaker 1: to vote for people on their own side who just
Speaker 1: blatantly lie. Now in the end, they might go ahead
Speaker 1: and do it anyway just because they can't vote for
Speaker 1: the Republican in their mind.
Speaker 2: They haven't reached that point yet. We need to change that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so stuff like that from Buddha Jeed, Yeah,
Speaker 1: keep it coming. That's that's good for our side. Three
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Speaker 1: And by our side, I don't mean Republicans. By our side,
Speaker 1: I mean the people who are right about things and
Speaker 1: want to save this place and the country. The country, Ryan,
Speaker 1: I think is in much better shape than the state
Speaker 1: right because don't you think the country right now is
Speaker 1: just tracking conservative?
Speaker 4: And I think the Democratic Party feels that way and
Speaker 4: they're scared by it, except for kind of a haven
Speaker 4: here in Colorado where they feel empowered and they feel
Speaker 4: bold and to pass these trands, the kids laws, and
Speaker 4: I've been talking about that on my program as well.
Speaker 4: And this is where there's a disconnect. I think the
Speaker 4: good Democrats you're describing, I remember them. I mean I
Speaker 4: used to be friends with a lot of them. I
Speaker 4: have voted in the past for Democrats.
Speaker 3: It's been a very long time.
Speaker 4: But I don't know how you can sit there and
Speaker 4: square transing the kids, allowing trans individuals who are biological
Speaker 4: males to rob girls and women sports and spaces, and
Speaker 4: keep voting Democrats.
Speaker 1: And it's nutty stuff, But yeah, you're right, they feel
Speaker 1: like toorly bulletproof in Colorado. I'm looking at this headline
Speaker 1: on CNN right now and it has video Putin war
Speaker 1: hero killed in mysterious explosion deep inside Russia.
Speaker 2: Now this goes back to what I was saying a
Speaker 2: little while ago.
Speaker 1: Putin and the Kremlin decide now they're going to umiliate
Speaker 1: Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: That's not going to end well for Putin.
Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about sanctions, and I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that Trump or US intelligence had anything to do with that.
Speaker 2: I know idea whether they did or not.
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you that he's not going to end
Speaker 1: well for Putin if he's decided the road he's going
Speaker 1: down is publicly humiliating Donald Trump, And if you're president
Speaker 1: of the United States, yeah, they'll be the sanctions talk.
Speaker 2: But that's nonsense.
Speaker 1: Everybody knows, even though it should happen that in the end,
Speaker 1: that's not going to change Putin's behavior. But I think Trump,
Speaker 1: if Trump's determined to change Putin's behavior, Trump will change
Speaker 1: Putin's behavior. And it will not be with US troops
Speaker 1: on the ground in Ukraine, which should not happen. And
Speaker 1: if US at this point, if Ukraine was allowed to
Speaker 1: join NATO, it would happen. And Trump is not going
Speaker 1: to allow US troops on the ground, and he should not.
Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean Putin's going to be safe. Three
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Speaker 1: ground we want to cover. Do we have any more
Speaker 1: good poetry? Before I get going on that in check,
Speaker 1: I got to refresh. The Republicans are read, Democrats are blue.
Speaker 1: They fight among each other, but not for me and
Speaker 1: you h oh, I like that one. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it's a rhymes at least. Yeah, But I because poetry
Speaker 1: has to rhyme or it's not poetry. It can be
Speaker 1: something else. It can be cool, but it's not poetry.
Speaker 3: What haiku?
Speaker 1: And even though this rhymes, I don't agree with the
Speaker 1: substance of it. I think there are a lot of
Speaker 1: Republicans who fight for me and you, not all of them.
Speaker 1: I can't think of a single Democrat right now. Maybe
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, Maybe I'm.
Speaker 3: Missing Kana California.
Speaker 1: I think he's okay, okay, okay, Well let's be a
Speaker 1: while we a'm on the show.
Speaker 3: I'll reach out. He goes on Fox News quite a
Speaker 3: bit for a Democrat.
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, No, I would love to do that.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: I want to get you some of the hot sound
Speaker 1: of the day as well. And as long as we
Speaker 1: are talking about as long as we're talking about Russia
Speaker 1: and Ukraine out right now, which we should be, by
Speaker 1: the way, because I think some things are about to
Speaker 1: happen there. Joe Scarborough must listen to this show, because
Speaker 1: he did a one to eighty in the last twenty
Speaker 1: four hours. I remember yesterday I was talking about how
Speaker 1: Scarborough these guys are nutty, thinking that that somehow Donald
Speaker 1: Trump's going to slink away. Now that Putin's not giving
Speaker 1: him what he wants quite the opposite. Then Scarborough magically
Speaker 1: now sees that.
Speaker 6: The mocking of Donald Trump repeatedly by the Kremlin that
Speaker 6: I don't know exactly how that helps some of the negotiations, but.
Speaker 3: We will see.
Speaker 6: The President has talked about two weeks before he makes
Speaker 6: any decisions on sanctions. Obviously, in your fusion, in the
Speaker 6: middle of negotiations, good faith negotiations, which needs to not
Speaker 6: appear to be you don't slap sanctions on anybody in
Speaker 6: the middle of negotiations.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, yeah, no, this will not end well for Putin.
Speaker 2: Why do you think Putin did this?
Speaker 4: I don't know the calculation there, because he has to understand,
Speaker 4: especially with the public nature. And I think Scarborough touched
Speaker 4: on that if he's going to start kind of barking
Speaker 4: up the wrong tree, so to speak, Trump's not going
Speaker 4: to shy away from sanctions or other types of bolstering
Speaker 4: of Ukraine. You know, the minerals deal that he made.
Speaker 2: But sanctions. Everybody knows sanctions won't get it done.
Speaker 4: Well, throttling the oil production and if in Trump is
Speaker 4: threaton to do this to blacklist countries that are willing
Speaker 4: to buy Russian oil, and they won't do The United
Speaker 4: States will not do business if you buy Russian oil.
Speaker 3: He did that to Ihran, and he could do that
Speaker 3: to Russia too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I think one of the possibilities here
Speaker 1: is when you talk about evil, right, like you and
Speaker 1: I people listening to this show, we can't I'm sure,
Speaker 1: even begin to understand that the depths of like satanic evil, right,
Speaker 1: because we're not We're good people. But with Putin, you
Speaker 1: step back and you look at it you're talking about,
Speaker 1: I mean, what he does, there's no difference in what
Speaker 1: Satan would do, right, It's just Satan in.
Speaker 2: A suit, and so that kind of evil.
Speaker 1: Yet at a certain point, rationality probably departs, and he
Speaker 1: probably looked at Trump's overtures, his willingness to, you know,
Speaker 1: just stand up to Zelensky with Zelensky's horrible oval office performance,
Speaker 1: and he probably misread that and just believe that he
Speaker 1: could go get whatever he wanted. And I think he's
Speaker 1: about to learn the very hard way it does not
Speaker 1: work that way with Donald J.
Speaker 2: Trump.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and it's not going to be by Trump's
Speaker 1: sending Americans to fight in Ukraine. He should not need
Speaker 1: will not. I think he's got other ways to teach.
Speaker 2: Putin a lesson here and then hopefully bring peace.
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Speaker 1: A lot to do when we come back, including another
Speaker 1: doctor to talk about the medical.
Speaker 2: Reality of abortion.
Speaker 1: We're not going to be talking ideology or anything, just
Speaker 1: the medical reality, which would cause a lot of people
Speaker 1: to believe.
Speaker 2: We have to end that now.
Speaker 3: And now back to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast That
Speaker 3: could be awkward, very difficult. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is where you say, did.
Speaker 3: You ever want to pay doctor Caplis? Was that ever
Speaker 3: a possibility?
Speaker 2: I am one, Come on, I am serious.
Speaker 3: No, No, it's not a technicality.
Speaker 2: This is a problem in society right now because no,
Speaker 2: we are doctors, but nobody ever calls us that.
Speaker 4: You are more of a doctor, in my mind than
Speaker 4: doctor Jill Biden.
Speaker 2: Well wow, what I praise?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, but I mean literally literally, and I'm
Speaker 1: a little disappointed in that because we are, in fact doctor.
Speaker 4: Well, if you were a professor and wouldn't taught law,
Speaker 4: let's see it, see you.
Speaker 3: Boulder, wouldn't call me doctor. They wouldn't.
Speaker 4: No, No, our broadcasting professors are really a stranger.
Speaker 1: Got order to get something out of a Whedy's box,
Speaker 1: called me doctor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I go, So I do all this and
Speaker 2: that do it for forty years, it says, juris doctor.
Speaker 2: But nobody's calling me doctor.
Speaker 3: That's unfortunate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, except my wife.
Speaker 3: Now we go.
Speaker 1: This is all a build up to going to our
Speaker 1: special guests, doctor Tom Prell, who is president of Democrats
Speaker 1: for Life in Colorado and is kind enough to step
Speaker 1: in today for doctor Catherine Wheeler, who is We're doing
Speaker 1: this regular segment where we just talk about the medical
Speaker 1: facts pertaining to abortion because there's a guy who wants
Speaker 1: to save all of these innocent babies. I'm a firm
Speaker 1: believer after decades on air that the best way to
Speaker 1: get there is just to keep getting people the true
Speaker 1: medical facts about babies and human development and abortion. And
Speaker 1: that's the best chance to persuade. And so doctor Tom
Speaker 1: Prall kind enough to join us read the buyo off
Speaker 1: The Colorado Sun of Inglewood, Colorado is a retired internal
Speaker 1: medicine and hospital medicine physician and president of Democrats for
Speaker 1: Life of Colorado. He is a Fellow of the American
Speaker 1: College of Physicians and Society of Hospital Medicine, a fellow doctor.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Dan Caplis Shall, Thanks Dan for having me, Well.
Speaker 2: Thanks for being here. Why don't people call lawyers doctors?
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's a good question.
Speaker 2: Yeah, easy answer.
Speaker 1: They don't like us, right, they like you, and everybody
Speaker 1: likes doctor Tom.
Speaker 2: Nobody likes doctor Dan, not as a doctor.
Speaker 7: That yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But thanks for being here, Tom, because it has
Speaker 1: been so valuable to have Catherine with us each week.
Speaker 1: And we don't do the normal, uh you know, ideological
Speaker 1: discussions of abortion or policy issues. We just have real
Speaker 1: doctors talking real medicine.
Speaker 2: And so today.
Speaker 1: We're just going to go back to the basics and
Speaker 1: talk about human development from a strictly factual medical standpoint.
Speaker 2: So doctor take the floor. Just picture the auditorium filled
Speaker 2: with eager medical students and tell it like it is.
Speaker 7: Yeah. I mean, it's because the arguments that are put
Speaker 7: forward by Bush advocates stress woman's choice about but only
Speaker 7: appealing if you totally.
Speaker 1: We've got a little challenge with technology here because we're
Speaker 1: getting about every other word, and they're good words, but
Speaker 1: we're getting about every other word, can we get a
Speaker 1: little better connection?
Speaker 7: Uh? Can you hear me? Now?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Hey, I'd trademark that. Yeah, now that's that's better duck.
Speaker 1: Can you can you start over?
Speaker 7: Yeah? I was just saying that WASH advocates that's the
Speaker 7: important woman's choice in BODI autonomy, which is appealing only
Speaker 7: if you know the fact that terminating a pregnancy means
Speaker 7: killing another human being, and that of a human being
Speaker 7: has their own value, dignity and right to on leo autonomy.
Speaker 7: And you know, from a medical perspective, the abortion industry
Speaker 7: frequently tries to guess light us by suggesting that nobody
Speaker 7: really knows when a human life begins, you know, which
Speaker 7: is really a very crazy notion, since established the fact
Speaker 7: that human life begins at fertilization in the late nineteenth century,
Speaker 7: and so it's not a new In fact, the Human
Speaker 7: Embryology book that is the standard textbook in all medical
Speaker 7: schools across the country, you know in the first paragraph
Speaker 7: that a new human being is formed by the unit,
Speaker 7: the union of the sperm and the ovum, and that's
Speaker 7: the start of human development and the human human being.
Speaker 7: And it emphasize the fact that this is fal Jacobs
Speaker 7: from the University of Chicago during his PhD dissertation, conducted
Speaker 7: a survey of biologists over fifty five hundred who the
Speaker 7: public was the most a sort of profession to make
Speaker 7: established when human life begins at Ninety percent of those
Speaker 7: biologists said that, you know, affirm the biological view that
Speaker 7: human life begins at fertilization.
Speaker 1: Can I stop you there for a second, doctor Tom Prologuess,
Speaker 1: Let me stop you there for a second and thank
Speaker 1: you for that.
Speaker 2: How could anybody disagree with that? Right?
Speaker 1: I mean, isn't that ideology a side? Isn't that like
Speaker 1: disagreeing with the sun rising in the east? Because what
Speaker 1: is that proof? I know, you know, but what is
Speaker 1: that proof that human life is in fact does in
Speaker 1: fact begin at fertilization? And how do we know that medically?
Speaker 1: Aside from safe philosophical beliefs.
Speaker 7: Well, the definition of an organism means that it's a
Speaker 7: able to direct its own development and on physiology and
Speaker 7: the human zygo, which is the you know, the cell
Speaker 7: that results in the union of the sperm and the ovum,
Speaker 7: that's exactly that it directs its own development. It's not
Speaker 7: dependent on the mother to direct it. It is self
Speaker 7: directing and that's the definition of an organism or human being.
Speaker 7: And you know, the notion that human life begins some
Speaker 7: other time is really archaic notion. You know, back in
Speaker 7: the you know, the Middle Ages, you know, when you
Speaker 7: had quickening, which is when the mother felt that maybe
Speaker 7: they assumed that's the life began. But that's because they
Speaker 7: didn't have a view, right, the right of embryology. So
Speaker 7: you know, it's pretty clear. And to suggest the wise.
Speaker 1: Doctor's so sorry, public, so sorry to interrupt, because I
Speaker 1: just love of the wisdom you're dropping directing its own development, right, Obviously,
Speaker 1: this human life, it's dependent upon the mother for certain
Speaker 1: forms of support, but it's directing its own development. And
Speaker 1: that there's nobody, right, I assume within the medical community
Speaker 1: who doubts that this is in fact a human organism
Speaker 1: that's growing. So it's human, it's alive, it's directing its
Speaker 1: own development.
Speaker 2: What more do they want?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean there should I mean there should be nothing.
Speaker 7: It's not a human being. That that's a bargment. But
Speaker 7: people try to suggest that it being until it's born,
Speaker 7: which is which is right, scientifically ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Right, that's such a key point. And again I'm so
Speaker 1: sorry that we have this bad phone connection, doctor, and
Speaker 1: because we are getting about every other word, but that's
Speaker 1: such a key point, right, So if you're just looking
Speaker 1: at the medicine for the reasons that you laid out,
Speaker 1: which are in arguable, then clearly, as a matter of science,
Speaker 1: you have a human life. When when people want to say,
Speaker 1: oh no, we're not going to call it human until
Speaker 1: it's born, that's not science base.
Speaker 2: That's just their own political ideology or wish or philosophy.
Speaker 2: But it ain't science, right.
Speaker 7: And and you know, there's some people saying that their
Speaker 7: religion says it begins at birth, but again that's that's
Speaker 7: not a scientific view, and it's certainly a marginal view
Speaker 7: even if it's held by a religious you know established.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And the purpose of these segments is, okay,
Speaker 1: let's just start with science because I'm a firm believer
Speaker 1: that that that's our best way to persuade. And doctor again,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry we have this bad phone connection. But my
Speaker 1: last question for you today, and I hope we have
Speaker 1: you back again soon, is I know you've been a
Speaker 1: real hero in the pro life movements, as you know,
Speaker 1: head of Democrats for Life, but am I right in
Speaker 1: leaving that the tremendous strides that have been made by
Speaker 1: the pro life movement. A big part of that has
Speaker 1: been ultrasounds, because people could see for themselves that they'd
Speaker 1: been lied to. When people say it's a blob of tissue,
Speaker 1: I mean, whoever, all the all the patients you ever had,
Speaker 1: whoever went and showed their ultrasound picture and said, hey,
Speaker 1: look at the picture of my fetus.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, that's exactly right. We now have a
Speaker 7: window into the life of the embryo and fetus. But
Speaker 7: by the time a woman even recognizes she's pregnant, the
Speaker 7: brain and heart are already developing. And you know, by
Speaker 7: the sixth week, the heart is being as moving by
Speaker 7: the nine fetus is ye preferences by swallowing the amnatic fluid.
Speaker 7: I mean, it even develops acoustical memories in utero. So
Speaker 7: this is a very sophisticated human being.
Speaker 1: And the doctor thank you for all of that. I
Speaker 1: am so sorry we have this bad phone connection, and
Speaker 1: we'll look forward to having you back soon. Doctor Tomprell
Speaker 1: also writes in The Colorado Sun, you're on the Dan
Speaker 1: Kapler Show.
Speaker 3: You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast Okay, summarizes
Speaker 3: what we experienced over the two hours.
Speaker 2: Yea, all that, I would say, time of our lives.
Speaker 3: Yeah right now, right here, right now.
Speaker 1: Sad to think about, but yeah, no lives. But what
Speaker 1: a great song. That is just a great song. Some
Speaker 1: songs instantly create good feeling. That is a great song.
Speaker 4: I gotta imagine it's from one of Amy's all time
Speaker 4: favorite movies. I'm just guessing here, total lark shot in
Speaker 4: the dark type thing. What movie dirty dancing?
Speaker 2: H I'll ask her. I bet she is a great dancer.
Speaker 2: I will ask her that.
Speaker 4: And I'm betting again a fan of Swayze, I will
Speaker 4: ask you that is what Patrick swayzey, I will ask
Speaker 4: you that as well.
Speaker 1: I could see the resemblance Dansey, Yeah, I could see
Speaker 1: that absolutely. But yeah, no, what a great dancer and
Speaker 1: that that was probably one of the biggest challenges in
Speaker 1: our relationship because you know, not to be self serving,
Speaker 1: but I consider myself a really good athlete, real good rhythm,
Speaker 1: all this and that. But the whole dancing thing, not
Speaker 1: my sing, just like getting out in public and dancing.
Speaker 2: And she's a great dancer.
Speaker 1: So we're dating or you know, we're newlyweds, we go
Speaker 1: to these charity things, we're dancing. Everybody's watching her because
Speaker 1: she's beautiful and a great dancer, and if they're watching her,
Speaker 1: it means they're.
Speaker 2: Seeing me, and that ain't good.
Speaker 4: But didn't you work very hard for your wedding reception
Speaker 4: to be months?
Speaker 3: Yea months?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know how deep into the first dance
Speaker 1: I messed it up? First step it had to be. Oh,
Speaker 1: here's a great text.
Speaker 3: Dan.
Speaker 1: Brigadier General Maurice Rose was a Colorado Jewish Man killed
Speaker 1: in direct contact with the Germans and World War Two
Speaker 1: when his jeep ran into a German tank and he
Speaker 1: was shot and killed by the Germans. Rose hospital, right,
Speaker 1: I'll double check that where our kids were born. So yeah,
Speaker 1: we're just talking about top ten Colorado heroes and taking
Speaker 1: some nominations. Not that we get to decide anything, but
Speaker 1: it's fun to talk about, inspiring to talk about. Obviously
Speaker 1: we're talking about Kendrick Castillo, Dave Sanders, Jack Phillips. It
Speaker 1: came up in connection with another brave Colorado, another brave
Speaker 1: person standing up the CEO of xaxx Y Athletics Alliance
Speaker 1: Defending Freedom standing up against the obviously facially unconstitutional hospital
Speaker 1: thirteen twelve, and that lawsuit was just filed. So we
Speaker 1: had Hal Frampton the attorney on the show. We've had
Speaker 1: Jennifer Say on our show before, founder and CEO of
Speaker 1: xaxx y Levi.
Speaker 2: What didn't she used to be president? She used to
Speaker 2: be president of.
Speaker 3: Strauss Levi, Straussen Francisco President.
Speaker 4: Then she spoke out against the COVID lockdowns for kids
Speaker 4: and that led to a downward spiral that contributed to
Speaker 4: her exodus from there. And then she moved her her operations,
Speaker 4: her idea for XXXY Athletics right here to Colorado.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm just looking at Maurice Rose right now.
Speaker 1: Career officer United States Army turned the attained the rank
Speaker 1: of major general, veteran of World War One and two,
Speaker 1: commanding the third Armored Division when he was killed in
Speaker 1: action in Germany during the closing days of the Second
Speaker 1: World War, becoming the highest ranking American killed by enemy
Speaker 1: fire during the war in Europe and died this very
Speaker 1: heroic death. Yeah, now, very inspiring.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So who are the top ten heroes in Colorado? I
Speaker 1: think it can come from all walks alive.
Speaker 4: Somebody I think had suggested an earlier text when we
Speaker 4: had this conversation, Kit Carson would be one, k K.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, I'm just not sure the Coatail. Sorry, I'm
Speaker 2: just not sure.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm kind of a wild West guy and
Speaker 4: I admire a lot of those guys from back then. Yeah, wider,
Speaker 4: Doc Holliday's buried here in Colorado.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and yeah, yeah, I just I'm not up
Speaker 1: on all that. So you are the resident expert than that,
Speaker 1: my friend. I did want to get to this sound
Speaker 1: before the end of the show. Let me get to
Speaker 1: this because it's.
Speaker 2: Just so rich.
Speaker 1: Here is Jake Teppero, I assume is going to be
Speaker 1: running for the GOP nomination for something.
Speaker 8: I look at the way I covered, you know, the president,
Speaker 8: some of the trials of the President, I thought were
Speaker 8: you know, I think it's I think it is problematic
Speaker 8: when people run for prosecutor and promise to go after
Speaker 8: a specific politician. And both Letitia James, Attorney General of
Speaker 8: New York, and Alvin Bragg, the District Attorney New York,
Speaker 8: both of them did that, and that to me is
Speaker 8: problematic because you're not saying this is the offense, and
Speaker 8: we need to bring justice to this perpetrator. You're saying,
Speaker 8: I'm going to go after him. And I think that
Speaker 8: there was a degree to which that was tolerated by
Speaker 8: the media at large.
Speaker 3: I mean, I did note it at.
Speaker 8: The time, but like and in the bathroom, the same
Speaker 8: thing talking to the president. So it's also a different degree.
Speaker 8: People perceive it as more problematic.
Speaker 3: But look at what he's talking about.
Speaker 1: He's not talking about the underlying corrupt act of wrongfully
Speaker 1: pursuing this prosecution. He's talking about how it was messaged, right,
Speaker 1: And I said it at the time. I said it
Speaker 1: at the time he did it. You know, Alvin Bragg
Speaker 1: will end up being one of the biggest gifts ever
Speaker 1: to the GOP, and and I'll be roundly despised on
Speaker 1: the left because you just knew, you just knew that
Speaker 1: corrupt prosecution was going to backfire him and help Trump.
Speaker 1: And because of Trump's strength and courage, it did, and
Speaker 1: the wisdom of the American people have voted for him.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Ryan, Thank you Kelly Jonas. To morrow, Pleas