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<v Speaker 1>Fifty five KERCD talk station, trying to make it a

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<v Speaker 1>happy Wednesday. It is happy because it's listener to lunch Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 1>Were going to be at Weedaman Brewery in Saint Bernard

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<v Speaker 1>if you can make that, but tempered happiness because we

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<v Speaker 1>need to talk about suicide Awareness month. September is suicide

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<v Speaker 1>Awareness Month. And joining me in studio Lisa Listen. She

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<v Speaker 1>is the suicide Prevention coordinator for the since ANYVA And

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<v Speaker 1>on the phone, I guess stuck in traffic, Steve Belso,

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<v Speaker 1>executive director at Clairemont County Veteran Services. Steve, can you

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<v Speaker 1>hear me?

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<v Speaker 2>I can, Bryan, good morning to you, Good.

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<v Speaker 1>Morning, wish you were here, and I'm sorry you're stuck

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<v Speaker 1>in traffic, but we will manage to muddle through. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>start with you, Steve. You spent three years on active duty.

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<v Speaker 1>How is it different for a veteran compared to active duty?

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<v Speaker 1>And one of the things we always point out when

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about suicide awareness, the veteran community is different

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<v Speaker 1>from the general population. I think a lot of it,

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<v Speaker 1>and you correct me if I'm wrong, because I didn't serve,

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<v Speaker 1>but from what I've learned over the years, it's you

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<v Speaker 1>have that camaraderie, you have that built in team that

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<v Speaker 1>you're working with. You're you're with them in the trenches,

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<v Speaker 1>you're with them day in and day out, you're with

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<v Speaker 1>them doing task. It's a very controlled environment. And to

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<v Speaker 1>leave that and to go out here in the world,

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<v Speaker 1>where you know, think life is different, that in and

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<v Speaker 1>of itself can be extraordinarily stressful. Mike, am I even

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<v Speaker 1>close on that.

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<v Speaker 2>No, you're you're absolutely right. Let me give your listeners

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<v Speaker 2>one correction, not three years, but almost three decades.

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<v Speaker 1>Decades, decades. I got notes in front of me, Stee.

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<v Speaker 1>I apologize, Steve, I know that three decades and.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been three at one point.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's great. You had three years, and then three years,

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<v Speaker 1>three years, and then twenty seven plus more after that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, but you know what it's like. You know

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<v Speaker 1>what my.

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<v Speaker 2>Shoes on so I can count. So let's yes, let's

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<v Speaker 2>let's talk about that. That veteran while on active duty,

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<v Speaker 2>amongst his his brothers and sisters, there is an intrinsic

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<v Speaker 2>relationship again to localized family. You have leadership above, you

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<v Speaker 2>have brothers and sisters to your left and right. There

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<v Speaker 2>is constant observant of one another, a recognition of attitude,

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<v Speaker 2>ways to call one another to task. Hey you're not

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<v Speaker 2>acting the same.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay? Right? There's ways to amplify help by taking it

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<v Speaker 2>up the chain of command. When when Johnny or Sally's

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<v Speaker 2>not acting the same, what was occurring? You know, we

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<v Speaker 2>went from twenty two a day for years a veteran suicide,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're down to somewhere and list it will correct

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<v Speaker 2>me with exact but somewhere around seventeen and a half

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<v Speaker 2>nows we've made some progress. But the unique thing is

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<v Speaker 2>on active duty, eyes are always on one another. It's

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<v Speaker 2>when we leave that unit and come back home, no

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<v Speaker 2>one's looking left and right, no one's looking out for

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<v Speaker 2>John or Janey, and it's easy for them to regress

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<v Speaker 2>back into a corner to become this stoic I guess

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<v Speaker 2>presence dealing with the monster of whatever the stressor was,

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<v Speaker 2>that's building inside of the individual, that's taking over the

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<v Speaker 2>desire to live. And so it's so important that we

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<v Speaker 2>are constantly talking about this though it's a drab subject,

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<v Speaker 2>we have to talk about this that we get veterans

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<v Speaker 2>to help that they need sooner rather than later.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and there's a proactive role family can take in

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<v Speaker 1>substituting for the team that isn't there anymore that would

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<v Speaker 1>recognize these things. But this also forces the veteran who's

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<v Speaker 1>struggling with this to have to be proactive on their

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<v Speaker 1>own behalf, to seek out the help that they might need.

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<v Speaker 1>And quite often I get the impression they're not quite

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<v Speaker 1>sure where to turn. But they're also you know, strong,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, humble, proud people who may reject the idea

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<v Speaker 1>of getting any assistance to start with, sure, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And we have to get rid of the tagline that

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<v Speaker 2>even thoughts of suicide is a weakness, and there's the

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<v Speaker 2>vibrado of military members to tell me I'm weak. Is

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<v Speaker 2>a is an attack against my armor. Suicide is against

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<v Speaker 2>the very design of nature and society that we see.

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<v Speaker 2>You cut down a tree, it wants to grow back.

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<v Speaker 2>You cut off a branch. Anyone wants to come out.

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<v Speaker 2>The animal wants to live. That's why I say escaping

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<v Speaker 2>It is intrinsic and even society that people want to live.

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<v Speaker 2>And when the monster inside is growing stronger than your

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<v Speaker 2>desire to live, it's it's a medical issue going on.

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<v Speaker 2>There's something that's not connecting well, that person needs to

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<v Speaker 2>find that release.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's pause for a moment. We'll bring back

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Bellsough and of course we'll hear from Lisa Liston,

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<v Speaker 1>who is the suicide prevention coordinator, gets some ideas about

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<v Speaker 1>how we can help and what we can do and

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<v Speaker 1>what to look for like by way of warning signs,

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<v Speaker 1>et cetera. Seven fifty one if you have KCD talk station.

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<v Speaker 1>September is Suicidal Awareness Month, and that's why we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>with Steve Bell's, executive director of Clima County Veteran Services.

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<v Speaker 1>But we're going to pivot over to Lisa Liston, who

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<v Speaker 1>is the suicide prevention coordinator with the cincinnt VA. Lisa,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a pleasure to have you in studio here today.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad you're able to make it suicide prevention coordinator.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me go directly to the point. How is the

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<v Speaker 1>Cincinnativa involved in helping to prevent veteran suicide? I mean

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<v Speaker 1>identifying it's an issue we talked about with Steve a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit about that, But how do you get in prevention.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, there's a couple of things to realize, and that

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<v Speaker 3>is yes, suicide can be a very glum topic to discuss. However,

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<v Speaker 3>what doesn't get discussed is how we can prevent suicide

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<v Speaker 3>and all of the people who actually recover from suicidal thoughts,

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<v Speaker 3>you can recover from it. There are many things that

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<v Speaker 3>can be done, and the things that we do at

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<v Speaker 3>the VA to prevent suicide would be we give out

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<v Speaker 3>free gunlocks to veterans and families and organizations that would

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<v Speaker 3>like to distribute them. So we want to make sure

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<v Speaker 3>that every person who owns a firearms securely manages those

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<v Speaker 3>firearms because what you have to remember in a time

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<v Speaker 3>of crisis, when a person is suicidal is when they

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<v Speaker 3>might be very impulsive.

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<v Speaker 1>Impulsive, that's the reason, yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Right there, and it's too easy to just pick that

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<v Speaker 3>weapon up and hold it to their head. So we

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<v Speaker 3>want to make sure that they're safely stored stored as

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<v Speaker 3>well as medications. Sometimes people forget about that. We want

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<v Speaker 3>to store medications safely or if they're not being used,

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<v Speaker 3>to get rid of them, because again, it would be

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<v Speaker 3>too easy to pick up a bottle of pills and

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<v Speaker 3>take it in a time of crisis.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, time of crisis, now, that's what we need to

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<v Speaker 1>know about what are the warning signs of suicide, because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we might not be thinking that we need

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<v Speaker 1>to lock up the meds or lock up the firearm,

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<v Speaker 1>but what are we looking for in terms of signs.

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<v Speaker 3>So you really want to be noticing when somebody starts

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<v Speaker 3>focusing on death, dying, suicide. They might be writing letters.

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<v Speaker 3>They might be I see this in teenagers.

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<v Speaker 1>Giving their personal property, giving.

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<v Speaker 3>Things away, sending long text about how they're not going

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<v Speaker 3>to be there. This is an interesting one holding unloaded

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<v Speaker 3>gun to their head. Because what you have to know

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<v Speaker 3>is sometimes people participate in what's called habituation, and habituation

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<v Speaker 3>is practicing for the event. So they will sometimes like

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<v Speaker 3>the Golden Gate Bridge people. They have them on video

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<v Speaker 3>where they will walk to the edge of the bridge

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<v Speaker 3>kind of look over, and then walk away, and then

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<v Speaker 3>come back a little bit later, and now they've looking

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<v Speaker 3>up over, pushing themselves up over the edge. Then may

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<v Speaker 3>walk away again, but then the next time, now they've

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<v Speaker 3>got their leg up over the bridge and ready to jump.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's getting used to the thought of actually ending

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<v Speaker 3>your life. So when even when you hear somebody say, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 3>I really wasn't going to do it, but they had

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<v Speaker 3>that gun to their head. First of all, we know

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<v Speaker 3>many people die with supposed unloaded guns. But secondly, they

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<v Speaker 3>could be practicing habituation.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So what what do you do or say

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<v Speaker 1>to a veteran if they say they actually are having

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<v Speaker 1>thoughts of suicide suicidal ideation, they just outright want to

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<v Speaker 1>kill themselves, right.

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<v Speaker 3>So the first thing you want to do is not

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<v Speaker 3>become so alarmed that you scare the person, like, oh

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<v Speaker 3>you know, well, you got to have the police out here.

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<v Speaker 3>What you want to do is offer support and assistance.

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<v Speaker 3>So if it's safe, you could offer, hey, how about

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<v Speaker 3>you and I both go to the er where you

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<v Speaker 3>can t talk to a licensed physician or clinician who

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<v Speaker 3>can help you with those suicidal thoughts. Or you might say, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>how about if I call the veteran's crisis line. I'll

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<v Speaker 3>tell them what's going on, and then the responder will

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<v Speaker 3>talk to the veteran and can help them that way,

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<v Speaker 3>also encouraging them to get treatment. You know, not everybody.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd like to dispel this myth, and that is not

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<v Speaker 3>everyone who has suicidal thoughts automatically gets admitted to the hospital.

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<v Speaker 3>Sometimes we can start them on medication, or we can

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<v Speaker 3>get them into therapy and they'll be okay and we'll

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<v Speaker 3>work with them. Now. Sometimes it's even more severe where

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<v Speaker 3>they really can't keep themselves safe and so we might

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<v Speaker 3>have to have them admitted. But there's several options that

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<v Speaker 3>are available.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I would think, and you know you're the expert,

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<v Speaker 1>but I would think if someone actually tells you out

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<v Speaker 1>loud that they're having these thoughts, that might be a

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<v Speaker 1>cry for help. They are wanting to get that assistance.

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<v Speaker 1>They're saying it out loud. They're not trying to catch

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<v Speaker 1>somebody off guard, like, Okay, have fun at the movie

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<v Speaker 1>and they come back home and they have committed suicide

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<v Speaker 1>and they say it out loud, and maybe that they're

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<v Speaker 1>looking for your help and finding help, right.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, sometime times people get caught up into well,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, do they mean it, do they not mean it?

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<v Speaker 3>Are they just saying this because they want attention? And

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<v Speaker 3>I always say, you don't have to make yourself the evaluator.

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<v Speaker 3>We just want you to get them to a place

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<v Speaker 3>someone who is a licensed that could help them and

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<v Speaker 3>figure out what really is going on, So calling the

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<v Speaker 3>Veterans Crisis Line, which you know is the nine eight

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I was just gonna ask you today. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's really excellent because you don't have to make

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<v Speaker 3>a decision is this serious? Is this not serious? Or

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<v Speaker 3>maybe they're kind of vague, you're not really sure. Again,

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<v Speaker 3>you don't have to be the evaluator. Just get them

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<v Speaker 3>to someone who can talk to them, who will know

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<v Speaker 3>what to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Nine eight eight, Then hit one after the phone picks

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<v Speaker 1>up and you're right there with the Veterans Crisis Line. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I tell you what, I can't thank you enough for

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<v Speaker 1>Lisa for what you're doing every day to help veterans

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with suicidal ideation families as well. And Steve, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>you know you're always welcome on the Morning show with

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<v Speaker 1>the Claimont Kennedy Vetteran and Services Commission. All the services

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<v Speaker 1>you offer, it's an amazing thing. What you've got in

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<v Speaker 1>Claremont County with the Claremont County Veteran Services it's uh,

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<v Speaker 1>can you give me the website again, Steve for we

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<v Speaker 1>part company for the Clamart County Veteran Services.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Absolutely, Brian it's www. Claremont County Veterans.

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<v Speaker 1>Dot com Claremont County Veterans dot com for all the

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<v Speaker 1>services they offer, and it is an amazing assortment of services. Veterans.

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<v Speaker 1>You're in all this assistance. Please take advantage of it

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<v Speaker 1>and help yourself out and family members. It's nine eight

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<v Speaker 1>eight and then the number one for the Veterans Crisis Line.

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<v Speaker 1>Keep your eyes peeled and your ears open. You may

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<v Speaker 1>save a life. Absolutely, it's been a pleasure having you

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<v Speaker 1>both on. Keep up the great work on behalf of

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<v Speaker 1>the American Veterans. And Steve, thanks again for your three

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<v Speaker 1>decades plus of active duty service. We'll see each other.

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<v Speaker 1>Get real suit, Steve ca thank you, sir. Stick around

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<v Speaker 1>Helen County, plot prosecute a list of powers after the

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<v Speaker 1>top of the hour, News plus Judge to Paultono at

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<v Speaker 1>eight thirty. I'll be right back.