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Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and Jillen, Welcome back to the gen V

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season two review series, Episode four. I am the low

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Speaker 2: The bloobender Taylor Field.

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Speaker 1: There you go, ladies, jillmen. Yeah, we are here, big

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It is like blame mister Taylor. You know, we're supposed

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Speaker 2: Too much, too much stuff going on, man, holy crap.

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Speaker 1: Luckily we're getting near the end of that. You know,

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Peacemaker only got three weeks left. This is really only

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like five four weeks after this, so not too much.

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So other than it, and even in and Dairy they

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kind of like start to pair off different times. But

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what did you think? Obviously last week we got the

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three episodes, we ended on a cliffhanger, So what do

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you think about the follow ut for episode four? Here?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's yeah, it's I mean it's it's picking up

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a little bit. We're getting a little bit more of

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our characters kind of cooperating and just kind of like

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the appropriate term. But uh yeah, there's just there's not

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a whole lot that they unveiled, but just the narrative

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is kind of slowly progressing forward a bit more. Still

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a mystery on Odessa. It's not a spoiler, No.

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Speaker 1: A bit that's gonna yeah, I canna take them in.

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interesting character. I'm really liking him and how he's just

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kind of playing the field. So sure did, Sure did,

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a good episode. And again, I really like Emma. I

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think she's a lot of fun and she's just got this.

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and I think that's just gonna grow and grow and grow,

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uh go in that regard, but uh yeah, I don't

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to add, so we'll be back next week. No, I thought,

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lot of discovering looking into the mystery. I think so overall,

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enjoy the episode like it. I think the two things

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far as how I feel about them. Feels very wishy washy,

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spoils for the first ray that oh, how they got

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this felt like maybe, especially now with Homeland or up Top,

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last week where it happens, I go, oh man, this

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is gonna be some really interesting stuff. What's gonna go down?

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like I'm going to now when we get these cliffhangers,

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they'll be out of the situation and it doesn't really

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impact them that much. So that'shere. I'm kind of disappointing

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interesting folks and with an interesting power set in this episode.

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some other franchis. I wish unfortunately for her, Like I

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know there is comedies out there, but she would have

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been perfect in that kind of appetite era if there

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was like a group of people that were just making

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comedies over and over. I'm not saying she can't go

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do another superhero thing or whatnot, and I don't even

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think she cannot do like a wrong con. I just

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where appetites always was recycling the same you know, ten

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to fifteen actors, and I feel like that's why I'd

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like this because she's a newer actress. But yeah, that

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love He's great in this episode, and I think that

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his character had the most progression, because I think the

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plot right now is just a lot of Okay, we're

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enforcing the mystery, but we found some things out about him,

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Dean there. So I last week had made the prediction.

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I thought he was not gonna have powers. So what

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they're doing is they're doing more of their training session.

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Speaker 1: I I forgot that last week. But so she's worked

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with Cipher and it's and it's interesting because this character,

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until I get this going. Can he he can control

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people's bodies and what they do? Can he read their minds?

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to go hand in hand. I mean, he knows everything right,

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so it just makes sense.

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you know, saying stuff like sor I sound too much

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like Yoda and saying stuff, oh you know, if you like,

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using your hands is gonna make no difference. So he's

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it is gaining I guess, not trust, but some sort

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of reseecont And he even says that, you know, even

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trying to train you to level up and be the

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next thing. And then in that same scene he goes, oh, well,

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said like we gotta train you so you can find

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what Odessa is, and she well, what do you mean, Well,

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was there with you as a baby, and Netta da

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da da, I guess it must be right, because even

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but he just looks down and he finds an angle

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right away. So that must be the case. And that's

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one step ahead another. But he must have a power.

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fact that he didn't have one was very interesting. I

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it seems like he's could be one of the more

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powerful humans if he can read your mind and also

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control your body by not even touching you and whatnot. So, yeah,

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what did you think about what the fake out of

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he was human? But now it seems like no, he uh,

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he's packing some powerful tools over there.

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have any compound V. So what exactly is he he's

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something old apparently, and again he was there when Marie

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his motivations seem to be very different from what to

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Vaught wants and Homelander wants. And I feel like, okay,

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and I like that he is this pushing Marie and

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trying to make Marie more than what she thinks she

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their heads, right, and their heads are their limitations, and

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their powers can be a lot better than what they're

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limiting themselves too. And so with the Dean with Cipher,

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why would you want someone more powerful than Homelander? Why

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would Vatt want that? And I think, okay, it makes

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sense why Vot wants someone more powerful than Homelander because

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Homelander anymore because he's controlling everything, right, So this Marie

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is definitely a counter to him. I mean, what's he

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Speaker 2: The the other girl, this president elect? I think she

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had the same power.

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Speaker 2: They had the same power.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she just had it because that she was in

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GENV season one, remember, and that was kind of the

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connection with Marie. So they did say that she had

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the same or very similar power. Where I wonder you

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could do that to him? But could he maybe block that?

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Speaker 2: He could block it, because yes, he can control your

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mind absolutely, just like he made uh Jordan wave up

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at the Dean's box and all that, and uh yeah,

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just brutal, brutal. I was for a second there, I

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thought Jordan was gonna pop me too.

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Speaker 1: I actually did. I thought it was over, and I

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thought that was gonna be a very interesting because to me,

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it's tough because I like the Jordan character and I

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like the Jordan character with Marie. But I I can't

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not lines I would have enjoyed the show more if

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they didn't get or if they did get killed, because

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to me, when this show opens up last week, Jordan

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gives the speech and it's just condemning everything, right, and

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then the next scene is just a bunch of people lying,

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like no starlighters and oh the you know Jordan is

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he's kind of a rattic or they're a erratic. They

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don't know what they're doing. It's because the they and

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them situation, and there's all this stuff going on. And

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when they're just back on campus and they did have

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a little speech, well, hey I didn't lie, and that's

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what happened. And then they just say, okay, you're other

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than your numbers. Tanking didn't look like much was happening

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to him, you know or them. You know, it just

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felt very easy. And I thought last week that was

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gonna be a real tipping point for that character. So

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if that character, if the Dean Cipher made Maria kill

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you know, or like accidentally so like resulted in the

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death of Jordan, to me, that would have helped my

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critiques because it would have been like, oh, that's why

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the stakes were so light at the beginning, because it

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was just like, oh, yeah, sure you got away at this,

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but really I'm gonna punish you. I'm gonna kill you know,

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this person in front of you that you love and

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now don't cross me again, right, So that didn't happen.

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So I again, I still feel like the stakes of

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them getting out of it it was very easy. But

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like you said, I just don't know where the Dean

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is yet because every I feel like, every conversation he's had,

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you could be looked at, oh, he is on the

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vaut Gen v Homelander side, and then he also signs

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that he's on their side. Right because last week or

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you know, most reepisodes when he threatened Kate of when

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she's like, let's go to Homelander, like, yeah, let's go

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to hol Amber and then find out that you don't

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have power and what's he gonna do now? You could

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look at that as him using it as an intimidation factor,

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try and scare. But you could also look at that

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as he's kind of covering for her that she doesn't

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even know it, right, She doesn't even know in her head,

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she just thinks he's the asshole, right, So we don't know.

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And the same thing he didn't kill Jordan, he got

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it far made it look like it was a fight

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because they were just making out in front of everybody,

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which the people were booing, so he made it look

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like a fight. So I really don't know, because I

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I don't want to assume he's good, but I just

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have to feel like with that scene hamboth and the

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way he was trainer by Luke and Ray's style, it's

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just it feels like, again, he could just be a

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trainer because that's what happens, but feels like there could

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be something more there. And do you have any theories

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of why the gen V was not showing up in

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his blood stream? Oh?

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Speaker 2: No, unless he's like an original or something like that.

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Speaker 1: That's what I was wondering, because did we ever get

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the We we got the origins of the soups that

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they were children that were pumped with gen V, But

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did they everize the origin where gen V came from,

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like the drug and everything.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm pretty sure they did. I just can't remember

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it because yeah, we got we got the regular V

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and then there's the temp V. Yes, yeah, I just

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can't recall that far back.

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Speaker 1: But so background compound view was originally created by a

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Nazi scientist name Frederick Vaud at some point during Second

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World War who experiment with a formula through the use

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of human prisoners in a concentration camp. So it just

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said that they just created a formula. So you could

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now I don't know if they're gonna, but you could

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say that for some reason, this guy's blood is the

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the origin of it, right he he is like a

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natural suit. But at the same time, do I think

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in gen v are they gonna give this just dean character?

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He's the first he's like the glypse of the what if.

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Speaker 2: He's the son? What if his father is Vaught.

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Speaker 1: Not something like that, and they just have like a

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streamline of pure But but at the same time, are

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you gonna that feels like a pretty big character. I

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feel like in the Boy's history, if you were to

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introduce a character that's just pure superhero, no drugs whatsoever,

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I feel.

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Speaker 2: Like they do, then well I would say different, different

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type of drugs or whatnot. Because sure, let's say let's

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say that the guy in there, the old guy to

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Dad is the vat O g Vaught man, the Nazi,

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and let's say he experiments on his son. We already

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know he did some ship to the girl Nazi? Right, Uh,

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what's her name?

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Speaker 1: Stormfront?

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Speaker 2: Stormfront? Yeah, because she I'm pretty sure was like married

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to him or like with the guy, right, yeah, look

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at her like her old photos and she ages slowly too,

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So again maybe like she he could this little guy,

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this Dean, he could be the son of this little guy.

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He could be the son of Stormfront and mister Old VOTs.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, no, easily could be. And we are getting

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that Vault Rising whatever show, right, so you can easily

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have this character appear there. And that's the thing. So

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that's what's interesting that Marie couldn't sense it. They thought

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they had ever because Kate's powers so are seemingly back,

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but they are not working one hundred percent. They're a

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little wonky. They have the situation where they're trying to

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get in somewhere with Kate's help. She asked him to,

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you know, Jedi, drop the keys and fuck off, and

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then he's like, yeah, so he drops the keys, but

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then he walks over instead of you know, I guess

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because she said fuck off. That in the brain. Messing

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up with her powers made it that she made the

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guy fucking gnome and he said he was very dry

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for that, so he got that going on. So but

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they at least her powers are back somewhat, but that

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was their play where you're gonna pretend your powers are back,

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say you've read his mind, and I did like this,

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yeah you have to. I don't know how you figured

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out my secret. Like I like, they played along for

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the first three seconds. I actually the second the way

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he answered, that's when I knew, Okay, he is a superpower,

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has some sort of access to him, because he was

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just so nonchalant when she said you should stop this fight, say, oh, yeah,

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it could be a good idea, and then you talk

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about the camera. I actually thought he was gonna stop

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the fight, and I thought he's gonna play along with

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the mind control for a little bit. But he he

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only did just a patrol her. Really he had no

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plan or whatnot. But that's the other one where for me,

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we've talked about in season one and then we talked about

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this in the last three episodes where we start off

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with Kate seems okay last season, she's their friend. She's

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doing a lot of crazy shit because Vaught's there, right,

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And then I think near the end that season she

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kind of picks the side of Vaut where then when

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we pick up here it seems like she's missing her friend.

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She says, hey, I got you out. I was a

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big proponent of that, wants have some relationship with her

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friends again. They don't trust her. Yeah, But then at

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the end of episode one, when that information from Vaut,

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it's oh, turn yourself in, do this again. Granted that

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character did say I know what pain they put you

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through everything they do, so I'm trying to save you.

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But the way she was going about it, very shady,

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didn't seem very helpful. They started getting a fight, they

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leave her there for dead, and then after that episode

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two and three seems like she hates their guts right,

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like she's fully on. You know what, I tried to

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help them, even if that's a flawed character. I stuck

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out my hand, they push it away. Fuck these people,

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even though they sayd star liars attack me. Screw these people.

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But here we are in episode four where I'm not

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saying that her and Jordan got together swimming like Jordans

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seemed annoyed to be working with her, But the fact

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that they went with her was such big information and

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they the trust just happened right away. Maybe it's just

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because they I would like to think it's because we

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got the one to three all back to back, so

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it should be three weeks. But still, if you watch

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a show like when the season's end and you watch

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in a row, it should feel natural. And I feel

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now that Kate working with the heroes again our heroes

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doesn't really feel natural. It feels very force. And again,

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I'm all fine for a redemption arc, but I just

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feel like this character is they write it as wishy

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wash it, but not the way Cipher is, where it

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seems like, oh, this character's written well that it could

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be team Homelander, could be Team Starlighters, you don't know, right,

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could be a mad Eye Moody you know Snape situation

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that we've talked about, right, But with her, I think

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it's just poured writing. As far as they were trusting

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her a lot with this episode and just a few

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episodes ago, they were ready to choose Kate was gonna

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sell them out to Vaught and bad thing's gonna happen.

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So how do you feel about Kate right now? I

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was seemingly trying to redeem again, I guess for like

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the third time.

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Speaker 2: Maybe here I think you got the pressure from Cypher

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saying like I could kill you kind of a thing

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and just that mysterious component. I also think too that

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the coming out with the whole andree information, I think

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that has a lot of kind of push for her

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too to kind of like miss her friends and kind

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of like reach out to them. But I think we're

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gonna get a complete like I don't think she's gonna

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get killed or heard or anything like that. I think

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it's going to be like complete out of fear. She's

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just going to turn against her friends again and just

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go back. I think she's gonna go back and forth

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because now that she's seen what Cipher can do, like

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she was already afraid of him, and now she's going

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to be ten times that, you know, with what he

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can do, which is fucked like he can do. They

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have the same powers, except he doesn't have to touch anyone, right,

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And maybe that's something he was trying to get her

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to hit that point. But she said that you know,

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she could read minds, she could make people do what

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she wanted them to do, and all that kind of stuff.

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Well we know she could read minds because she was like,

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what's Odessa and all this kind of stuff. So I

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think that again reaffirms him like the Dean, like he

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can read minds, all that kind of jazz. So, uh,

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he's just he's a lot more stronger version of what

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she is.

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Speaker 1: I will say, then, if that's the situation where if

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whether it's well, I guess because it's pressure, I just

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I need. I'm not saying you can't have characters that

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are in the ray and characters that go back and

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forth and disagree. I just don't. There's only so much

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I can take if Kate goes back to the bad

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guy side again, kind of like screw Gers. For me,

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this was like she's on the side, especially now that

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she's been caught with them. I feel that the cipher

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would be, hey, you know, I know you're up to

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no good. You know, can't trust you again. I don't

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think the stakes are gonna be that much for Kate.

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They're just gonna maybe kick her out of the class

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or be like, oh, we took your social media away. Like,

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I don't think it's gonna be a big deal because

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and that's why maybe you could argue that, hey, he's

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on their side, right because he could make these punishments

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a bigger deal, but he is kind of protecting them.

471
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So I am leaning that way that he is on

472
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,960
their side right now. Also, we can see what happens

473
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,559
down the road. But I don't want Kate to be

474
00:21:46,599 --> 00:21:49,039
too wishy washer. I really don't like if she one

475
00:21:49,079 --> 00:21:51,319
more time goes against our heroes in a natural way,

476
00:21:51,759 --> 00:21:53,720
I want that to be pretty much it. I want

477
00:21:53,759 --> 00:21:55,720
that to be done. She's on the bad guy side now,

478
00:21:55,839 --> 00:21:58,160
just flesh that out. I wouldn't mind if she's on

479
00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,440
the hero side because I'm always down for them, and

480
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,720
also she did a lot of bad shit. But yeah,

481
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:05,680
I just I don't know. I feel like every week

482
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,319
I don't know what I'm getting with this Kate character,

483
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,039
and I think I don't exactly get a different character

484
00:22:10,079 --> 00:22:13,480
each week, but not the quite the exact same one,

485
00:22:13,559 --> 00:22:15,119
and in the sense I don't feel like I've seen

486
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:16,480
it grow, And I just feel like, what Kate, we're

487
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,519
gonna get this week? You know? And this week he was, Oh,

488
00:22:18,519 --> 00:22:20,960
we're with the heroes and we're telling you our complete

489
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:26,480
master plan. Yet who knows. So yeah, let's see what

490
00:22:26,519 --> 00:22:29,079
else we didn't get Sam in this episode. So he's

491
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,960
just still off somewhere losing his mind, I guess talking

492
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:32,559
to puppets.

493
00:22:32,599 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 2: So yes, yeah, because he can't rely on Kate to

494
00:22:36,799 --> 00:22:40,079
kind of like help relieve his mind anymore, which maybe,

495
00:22:40,079 --> 00:22:42,640
you know, the Dean maybe could do uh, could help

496
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:43,720
him with that, who knows.

497
00:22:43,599 --> 00:22:45,839
Speaker 1: Maybe unless the Dean doesn't want that, you know, want

498
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,839
yuh wants him to be losing his mind and everything.

499
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,480
So let's see here. So then we got Emma, so

500
00:22:53,519 --> 00:22:55,880
she was still just her mission was to get that

501
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:57,839
camera in there. She's working with those two girls we

502
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,319
met last week that we're seemingly anti star Lighters but

503
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:07,000
really are Starlighters. One power though, it's gonna go there. Yeah,

504
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,519
I got a power where oh you know, I'm like,

505
00:23:09,599 --> 00:23:12,039
I'm a doucecond control my hair and say, oh that's awesome,

506
00:23:12,079 --> 00:23:14,759
that's really cool. Showed me, well it's not that hair,

507
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:16,359
and like, oh then you want to see Well, no,

508
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,680
that's for a different time. I thought I was gonna

509
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,960
pay off later. Nope, we got to see this episode

510
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,599
where she grew her pubes out and used them, so, uh,

511
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:28,240
there you go. And then I don't know what's going

512
00:23:28,279 --> 00:23:30,960
on with the the Emma character because I felt like

513
00:23:31,039 --> 00:23:36,799
last week with the with the human Barisa, it felt

514
00:23:36,799 --> 00:23:39,920
like they were maybe setting some romantic vibes there but

515
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,480
maybe those were just friends. I felt like, not Pube girl,

516
00:23:42,519 --> 00:23:45,000
but the other girl. They were maybe setting some sort.

517
00:23:44,759 --> 00:23:49,640
Speaker 2: Of purely platonic that felt completely platonic. Who her and

518
00:23:50,079 --> 00:23:50,960
the tail girl?

519
00:23:51,799 --> 00:23:53,559
Speaker 1: Oh see, I didn't get that. I got she was

520
00:23:53,559 --> 00:23:55,680
almost like a little jealous at times. And then that

521
00:23:55,799 --> 00:23:57,519
was her brother, right tail girls brother.

522
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, now that's where the chemistry is they're going for.

523
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,640
Speaker 1: Uh, just put a pin in that, you'll see. I

524
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,319
think there was some face unless if that, if there's nothing,

525
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,559
then they had the actress acting, whether it's her choice,

526
00:24:11,559 --> 00:24:13,400
are directing acting like the way that she was almost

527
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,960
upset that her and her brother were closing up. Now,

528
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:17,240
I guess you could go to the route that she's

529
00:24:17,319 --> 00:24:19,759
just like, don't be with my brother, But I don't know,

530
00:24:19,839 --> 00:24:20,359
that's just kind.

531
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 2: Of didn't get that at all. It just felt like

532
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,119
she was just being like a really good friend and

533
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,279
like emmament a lot in like a platonic way.

534
00:24:28,079 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 1: I'll find like a screenshot next week if that happens again.

535
00:24:30,839 --> 00:24:32,920
But yeah, I guess they're sitting out with his brother thing.

536
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,440
And then yeah, we got the situation where Emma had

537
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,240
to crawl up through the toilet. Uh, and then we

538
00:24:38,279 --> 00:24:43,559
had the the cipher Dean almost uh unload on her,

539
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,039
not in a good way to sitting down. We get

540
00:24:45,039 --> 00:24:48,119
this such a such a shaw angle, it's like the

541
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:49,799
POV for the toilet.

542
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:51,400
Speaker 2: And do you think that was the same actor. Do

543
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:52,680
you think they did a body double?

544
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,039
Speaker 1: It's a body devil, not even because like I guess

545
00:24:56,079 --> 00:24:58,880
you could be, but like not even because it's you

546
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,240
being nude. That probably has to be one of those

547
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,960
unflattering angles all the time. It's just like we had one.

548
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 2: Of those in one of our movies.

549
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:12,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I need a body double double. Our bunny is

550
00:25:12,799 --> 00:25:15,400
not tied up and like getting naked body doubles, you know.

551
00:25:15,559 --> 00:25:18,880
But yeah, he just pulls down troll and he just

552
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:23,359
sits down with asshole taint balls, everything just out. And

553
00:25:23,759 --> 00:25:27,400
I actually did think Emma was gonna get She's.

554
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,319
Speaker 2: So lucky, she's so lucky she got out of there. Jesus.

555
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, but she she survives, so there you go. So

556
00:25:34,599 --> 00:25:38,319
but yeah, anything say about these uh, these heroes right now,

557
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,400
this little team that Emma's found herself. I like it.

558
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 2: I'm curiously what the guy's powers are, but so far,

559
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:46,880
like I'm getting a kick out of it and it's

560
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:53,319
becus Scott te humble kind of yeah, humble, kind of

561
00:25:54,519 --> 00:25:58,920
what's the word I'm trying to think of, camaraderie maybe,

562
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,200
I guess, yeah, just kind of that kind of mentality

563
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:02,960
to it. So I like it.

564
00:26:03,039 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 1: I like when she was just super vocal.

565
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 2: Like I gotta, I gotta team, leave it to me

566
00:26:08,279 --> 00:26:10,759
kind of a thing. She's just becoming a very confident person.

567
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,799
And like I was saying before, where her powers where

568
00:26:13,799 --> 00:26:16,079
she's trying to hone them in and train them, I'll

569
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:20,799
bee it apprehensively, but just control where she can shrink

570
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,880
and get bigger without having to rely on her insecurities.

571
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,559
The same as Marie going through this vigorous training to

572
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:33,720
basically levitate, you know, people and move blood and all

573
00:26:33,759 --> 00:26:36,880
that kind of stuff. They're both training to enhance their powers.

574
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:38,440
And I feel like, Okay, by the time we get

575
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,319
to the end of the season, I think we're gonna

576
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:45,680
see Jordan with some form of new Maybe Jordan doesn't

577
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:50,720
have to gender switch to activate the opposite power. Maybe

578
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,519
it'll just be whatever gender Jordan chooses to switch to

579
00:26:54,079 --> 00:26:57,440
both powers like strength and the like photon blast will

580
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,839
be available. And then I think the same thing will

581
00:26:59,839 --> 00:27:01,880
p LI with Kate, where I think Kate's going to

582
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,440
be able to without touching people be able to like

583
00:27:05,519 --> 00:27:07,680
control them and whatnot. I think all these I think

584
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,240
that's the theme so far, is that we're going to

585
00:27:09,279 --> 00:27:13,480
be getting like these these familiar faces getting upgrades to

586
00:27:13,559 --> 00:27:14,279
their powers.

587
00:27:14,599 --> 00:27:17,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could see that. I only worry, so I

588
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,839
like all what you laid out there, especially if they

589
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,880
are if the cipher somehow it reveals to be on

590
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,079
the good guy's side, I could see that. My only

591
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,799
worry for Emma and Cruise. I wonder where that brother's

592
00:27:28,839 --> 00:27:31,480
loyalty is gonna lie, right because on the outside, his

593
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:36,000
sister and bush girl are anti Starlighters, right, Like that's

594
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,599
what they put out there, So I wonder.

595
00:27:38,799 --> 00:27:41,519
Speaker 2: You think he could be the speedster that was zipping

596
00:27:41,559 --> 00:27:43,000
around up.

597
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 1: And yeah, Like that's my worry, is that Emma's gonna

598
00:27:45,519 --> 00:27:47,839
like this guy or whatever's gonna happen, or even if

599
00:27:47,839 --> 00:27:50,440
it's just their brother or that girl's brother. And that's

600
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:54,400
a situation right of if he's and very much like

601
00:27:54,759 --> 00:27:57,319
in real life, right if people dating and whatnot, Like you,

602
00:27:58,160 --> 00:27:59,960
I think that's up to everybody else, but for me,

603
00:28:00,319 --> 00:28:02,039
I was somebody like most of the time, I think

604
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,359
my life partner I had to be pretty politically aligned

605
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,880
with and like religiously aligned, which for me, I'm agnostic.

606
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,519
So I just if someone would I could have dated

607
00:28:11,519 --> 00:28:14,240
someone that believed in God, but someone that would be like,

608
00:28:14,279 --> 00:28:16,240
we're going to church every Sunday, Like, well, that's not

609
00:28:16,279 --> 00:28:18,000
for me. So it's the same thing of this situation

610
00:28:18,039 --> 00:28:21,119
of even if he's in the dark about all the

611
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,440
stuff Vaught and homelanders doing, can Emma be with somebody

612
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,839
if he's like super like yeah, Like I could see

613
00:28:27,839 --> 00:28:30,200
a scene where I'd say they are dating and they

614
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,000
go visit that barista human where she is friends with them,

615
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,039
and he acts really shitty towards her, right, or like

616
00:28:35,039 --> 00:28:37,000
he said, it is a speedster. Then what do you

617
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,720
do with your Emma? Right, if there's this guy, I

618
00:28:38,759 --> 00:28:42,720
know what she'll do. She'll choose the starlighter, you know,

619
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,519
soup side. But that's good drama for that character, right

620
00:28:45,599 --> 00:28:48,119
as far as you may meet this guy that's good,

621
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,319
not seeing puppets, not fucking crazy, but now he's all

622
00:28:51,319 --> 00:28:53,640
down for like just branding humans and whatnot. Right, So

623
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,400
it's a tough world to be dating as a soup,

624
00:28:56,519 --> 00:28:59,359
you know. So let me look at my notes. Is

625
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,720
there anything that we haven't hit on that.

626
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 2: You I can't think of anything else.

627
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,319
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think. We got the fight like you said,

628
00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:11,039
uh yeah, the fight I almost thought was gonna pop Jordan,

629
00:29:11,119 --> 00:29:14,599
but it ended with Jordan passing out and then coming alive.

630
00:29:14,759 --> 00:29:17,920
I really hope that Marie just says, hey, I got

631
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,480
taken over. That wasn't me or whatever, like you were

632
00:29:20,519 --> 00:29:22,880
taken over and they just believe it. I really don't

633
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,599
want like a whole episode arc of Drum like you

634
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,240
almost killed me, Like I don't know if I can

635
00:29:26,279 --> 00:29:28,000
be with you. I really don't want that. I don't

636
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:28,400
want that.

637
00:29:28,519 --> 00:29:31,119
Speaker 2: I just I think Jordan will Jordan will know that

638
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,720
someone took over. I have a hunch.

639
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 1: I hope. I hope. It's just one of my least

640
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,359
favorite Like are you talking about some the gimmick all

641
00:29:37,359 --> 00:29:39,880
the time when in a wrestling match when two partners

642
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,799
are team together and one guy actually hits the other

643
00:29:41,799 --> 00:29:43,279
one and they're like, hey, what'd you do? But there's

644
00:29:43,319 --> 00:29:44,759
like you could just go back and watch the show

645
00:29:44,799 --> 00:29:47,240
and see what was an accident? Right, there's really like

646
00:29:47,319 --> 00:29:49,400
you could feel like you got taken over in your body.

647
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,960
That wasn't you right, So we'll see what happens there.

648
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,759
Let's see what else. Anything else we talked about. No

649
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,480
Andre Dad in this episode, so I guess he's just teaching, right, Yeah,

650
00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:05,559
no Stam in this episode, No cameos. Yeah, I think

651
00:30:06,799 --> 00:30:09,839
I think we covered it all. So yeah, I think

652
00:30:09,519 --> 00:30:13,440
I think said overall, good episode. Nothing, it's definitely progressing

653
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,119
the plot. I think the show has done a good

654
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,599
job each episode of ending in a big way. Even

655
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,640
though I said the fall up isn't is good? The

656
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,920
fight and then almost blowing up, that was ending in

657
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,200
a good way. We also learned the Dean has powers now,

658
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,680
so that's in a good way. So yeah, anything else

659
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,799
we haven't touch upon, Nope, I think that's it. Well,

660
00:30:30,799 --> 00:30:32,440
there you go. We will be back next week to

661
00:30:32,519 --> 00:30:36,720
talk about gen V episode five, you know, the episode

662
00:30:36,799 --> 00:30:39,640
V for gen V. See what happens and we'll be

663
00:30:39,799 --> 00:30:41,720
Now we're at it's crazy, We're all we're at half

664
00:30:41,759 --> 00:30:42,640
way mark Taylor.

665
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,119
Speaker 2: For season beautiful. I love to hear that.

666
00:30:47,079 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: So there you go, al Asia, and we'll be back

667
00:30:48,759 --> 00:30:50,200
next week. And I promise you and a lot of

668
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:51,599
people boring, by bye,