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Speaker 1: The pekan Yonashow dot com. Everything's there. I want to

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welcome everyone back to the Pekanyona Show, Jay Burdens back.

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Speaker 2: How you're doing, Jay?

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Speaker 3: Doing well? Pete? Thanks for having me back on.

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Speaker 2: Of course. Of course, so.

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Speaker 1: We've talked about I've covered this subject on the OGC

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live stream, but I thought you did a really good

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job talking about it in a post on the OGC

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sub stack. Basically the subject being that group chats are

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being leaked from young you know Republicans in this case,

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where they get in a group chat think that they're

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safe and they say stuff that you know, to be

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edgy and to be you know, to make everyone else

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laugh because it makes you laugh. And I think, as

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we've seen that a lot of times, we don't really

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have to worry about the Left because our enemy is

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standing right next to us until they're not until they

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punch us and run away. So the seed the subtec

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post is called Meditations on the Master's House Leaving the Plantation,

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and the subheading here is and Malcolm X is parable

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of the House Conservatives.

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Speaker 2: So why did you jump off on that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Sure thing. Look, the history of conservatives sort of

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betraying their own as a long one. Just as an anecdote,

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I was talking to my mother in law last night

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and she was saying like, oh, I don't like Densh Desuza,

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do you know anything about it? Which I mean she

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had no idea what she was in for, because not

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only do I not like den de Susa, I have

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quite a good reason. What is that reason? Well, he

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has done over the course of his career basically the

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same thing he got Sam Francis, whose beliefs are foundational

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to what you and I think Pete came up with

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the term in arco tyranny. He got him canceled or

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effectively the same sort of things. Now it wasn't a

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group chat, but it was the same mechanism, finding a

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guy who's radical, who's got interesting ideas, and throwing him out.

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So as regards this group chat, there are a couple

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of things that have happened after I wrote this that

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I think are worth mentioning before we dig into it. One,

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there have been more right, there have been some Trump

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nominees who've been implicated, and it seems as if there

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are a stockpile of these. There are more to come.

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They're coming out through Politico, the same place that this

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treasure trovee had actually been stored up for over a

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year it was pretty old, and it was deployed at

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kind of a unique moment. So in a bigger picture sense,

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why are they they doing this? Because you'd assume if

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you were playing a game with two sides, why would

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you bow to, you know, your enemies like that. Why

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would you voluntarily both like accept the terms of a

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scandal you bring that sort of negative attention upon yourself,

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but also go after one organization that is useful to you,

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sort of a the Young Republicans, which, by the way,

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in the Young Republicans. It's under forty, Like in my

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mind it was a college group. But you know, apparently

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Speaker 1: Well, when you consider the average age of an elected

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fair enough, pretty much.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the point is right. You would naturally say, well,

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we wouldn't want to draw negative attention if our enemies

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but very clearly there is a coordinated push to sort

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of connect our friends in the broadest possible sense, to

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jew hatred, the foreign influ and anything they can. So

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woke right, you know, saying that, oh, you know, the

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radical wing of the conservative movement quote unquote, they are

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just as bad as you know, the wokies that we've

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spent years demonizing. And very quickly we saw that that

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label grow and expand, and now you have this sort

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of confluence where not only is Tucker Carlson an evil Nazi,

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but he's gotten to your kids, Nick One, t has

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has gotten to your kids. Now you need to you know,

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root out the evil from you know, within your own ranks.

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group to sort of point out that, you know, there

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were parts of the Republican Coalition that we're moving in

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our direction, particularly young people, and it seems as if, finally,

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con inc the conservative establishment have realized that as well

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and are looking to clamp down. I think more of

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the these incidents are to come. So okay, let's examine this, right,

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what's put the connection to to Malcolm X. So I'll

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be honest. I was forced to read a lot of

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you know, black radicals and post structuralists, anti colonialists in

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college and still bouncing around in there, and I think

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it's funny right to use that.

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Speaker 1: As you get it. I've read a lot of Malcolm

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Speaker 2: It's not.

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Speaker 1: You agree with him a whole lot more than you

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agree with with Martin Luther King, that's for sure, one

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hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: And he's describing something very astute here. So for those

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who aren't familiar, right, Malcolm X is a you know,

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a radical figure, you know, kind of the counterpoint in

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court history to MLK because he viewed things in a

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radical sense. And obviously we understand that there's a difference

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between the man in the myth of MLK. They're sort

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of separate individuals. But Malcolm X viewed himself very much

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in opposition to the system as it were. He did

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not want to join it, he wanted to secede. There's

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a reason that a lot of his bodies after his

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assassination were part of the Back of Africa movement, part

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of black separatism, regardless of your opinions on that. He

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has this idea of the house slave, which is basically

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someone who is from a certain perspective in opposition to

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the master to the house, but is completely and totally

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devoted to it. So let me uh with slight edits,

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of course, because this will probably go up on YouTube.

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I'll read it the house slaves. They lived in his

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house with the master. They dressed pretty good, they ate

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good because they ate his food what he left. They

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lived in the attic or the basement, but they still

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lived near their master, and they loved their master more

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than the master loved himself. And really this is the

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dynamic we see with Khan inc the Conservative establishment. They're

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not a real party. Nick Land in Dark Enlightenment describes

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them as the designated whipping boy. And as we know, right,

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the whipping boy, he lived in the King's house, the castle,

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as it were. It's an embarrassing position, but nonetheless there

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are certain advantages to it. You're not out in the

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field either as a surfer as a slave. And so

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we have to understand that the Republican Party Conservative Incorporated,

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they're not a real political party. Their goal is not

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to win. What their goal is to maximize how much

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they get from you know, the master's table as it were.

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You see this in the deal that they are offered.

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in this conversation, he's described conservatives as the Washington generals

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of politics. Right that they're the guys who show up

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so that the Harlem globetrotters can do you know, dunks

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behind their back and wow the crowd. They are the

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beautiful or designated losers. However you'd like to frame it,

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be honest, using Malcolm X language, with table scraps, they

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get to collect money from flyover Country, from Red America.

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They get to be the princes of the hinterlands. And

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they don't actually care about winning. Right, that would be difficult,

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they have to do something dangerous, do something scary. And

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so the question is, right, well, why or how is

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this relevant to the dynamic we're seeing. Well, because they

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they are incredibly loyal to the masters. And you see

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that in the way that they enforce the sort of

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masters the left's moral standards in this case, certainly Politico

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broke the story. But who's wielding the hatchet. It's good conservatives,

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it's house conservatives, people who are well and truly owned

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by their you know, at least on paper adversaries. So,

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young Republicans. A great number of these people have lost jobs.

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The Trump nominee, whose name I can't remember, he has withdrawn.

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number of kind of beneficial arrangements. And yeah, it basically

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is that the sort of conservative right is aligned fully

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with their supposed enemies. Right, I pulled from another quote

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house conservative would fight harder to put the blade or

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to blaze out than the master would. Effectively, those who

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their privileged existence again kind of adopt leftist framework, is

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dependent on the status quo things existing, how they are

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we're very good at pointing this out when the left

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does this right, the Spanderal's concept of bioloninism, you know,

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those artificially being brought up the social hierarchy and paid

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in loyalty. We've got to understand this doesn't just work

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as well, that they are certainly the losers of politics.

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They're not the most capable players, but they get to

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play pretend. They get to make money from, you know,

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the sort of shenanigans that enable our you know, senators

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in congressmen to be worth hundreds of millions of dollars.

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They get to be invited to the parties, and that

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sort of relative position is contingent on their loyalty to

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the system. It is not contingent on their loyalty to

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their base. We understand those right, it's simple elite politics.

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relationship to the master or the master's house. We want

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to burn it down, we want to challenge it at

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a very fundamental level. We do not receive a benefit

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from this system as it were. I mean, look I'll

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throw this to you. But the government's been shut down

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for three or four weeks, now, how has this affected

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your life in any way?

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Speaker 1: The only way I can think is is that tomorrow

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the air traffic controllers may are going to get stopped

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getting paid, and I'm supposed to fly in a couple

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of weeks. It's the only way I can think that

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it possibly could affect my life.

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Speaker 3: Fair enough, right, And that's that's true, Right, That would

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affect me when I actually will be flying at the

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same time. So yeah, it will affect me. But look

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like that's something that could be done another way. Right,

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You and I don't depend for our existence on Gibbs,

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to be brutally honest, And this is where I pulled

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another quote from Audrey Lord. Right. I think she's self

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described as a black lesbian feminist scholar, mother warrior, and poet. Look,

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Speaker 3: Yes we was vikings, I believe, But anyway, she and

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particularly this concept of the master's tools and This is indirect,

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religious women. So I've sort of slightly changed the worrying.

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But the quote of self stance for the Master's tools

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will never dismantle the Master's House. They may allow us temporarily,

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temporarily to beat him at his own game, but they

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will never enable us to bring about genuine s change.

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And this fact is only threatened to those conservatives who

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still define the Master's House as their only source of support.

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So again we see that tension with those technically you know,

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on paper in opposition who nonetheless derive their identity, derive

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their status from the house. So the Master's tools, right,

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what do we mean there? We don't mean the literal stuff,

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of course, we mean the ideological framework. They're moral standards,

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the way in which they conceptualize the world effectively, their

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civic or state religion. Well, we see this all the time.

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are the real racist. Racism and allegations of racism are

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one of their tools, perhaps their famous tool. And now

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for generations, right, I mean longer than I've been alive,

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longer than you've been alive, Pete, that the nominal right

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wing in America has tried to use that will you're

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the real racist line? And you know it's sort of

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a rhetorical question, but you know, how has that worked

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out for you? Not? Well, it bounces off it's theirs.

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They would not they would not allow it to be

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used in such a way to harm them. Similarly, in

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this sort of cancel culture, it's not quite what I

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mean this incident with the young Republicans. The idea is, well,

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you know, if we set up this sort of you know,

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understanding that these are the standards, that you can't be

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too radical behind the scenes or else you'll get driven

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out of politics. Okay, well, how is that used? Is

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it ever used in such a way that damages the system?

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this bias is recently what we've seen after Charlie Kirk,

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where a few people have been fired. One it took

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a very dramatic event for that to be the case,

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a public assassination caught live in four k But also

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let's be honest. There's a world of difference between you know,

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a group chat behind the scenes and if someone who

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works for the government saying we should kill people who

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are like Charlie Kirk. Similarly, a lot of the kind

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of false nuanced bros compared and contrasted this incident to

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the Jay Jones case Virginia AG candidate who basically said

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I think Republicans should have their children killed and then

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doubled down by calling and texting the person he said

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this to and saying, no, I am morally justified in

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wishing that your children were killed. Obviously order of magnitude,

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people making those comparisons are doing them cynically. But also,

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let's be one hundred percent honest. When the left is

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freaking out about this, are they doing it honestly? No,

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they're clearly not. Right wingers Conservatives in particular do not

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understand how the left works in this way. They see

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a freak out and they assume that means we scored

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a point, we got them good. That's not how it works.

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some sort of response, either from their base or in

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this case, from their erstwhile opponents, and all by effectively

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some some moderate chimping on the internet, they were able

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to motivate the conservative movement, the GOP, to shoot themselves

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in the foot, to ban a bunch of their rising stars,

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you know, to get rid of, you know, a legacy institution,

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to do a ton of damage. And we're supposed to

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assume that they're scared. Of course not they're not. There's

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no way. And again I think that you know that

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this concept of being devoted to the master's house, right,

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they are genuinely more scared of us. When I say them,

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I mean, you know, the House Conservatives, and they are

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their enemies. Because if their enemies win, they still get

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to be the sort of butt boys of power, right,

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they still get to, you know, go to the same

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parties and collect the same nominal donations. But if we win,

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they don't. And that's why there's so much more concerned

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about a threat from the radical right. But look, leaving

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the plantation, right, leaving the moral framework of your enemies,

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discarding their tools is at best a defensive position. Right,

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You're insulating yourself from damage you do to yourself. That's

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not really enough. There's sort of this problem on the

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right in which we are entirely reactive to the left.

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And some of that's just by nature of the coalition.

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together by their hatred for progressive norms for any number

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of reasons. You know, you have you know, pagans, orthodox converts,

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and autistic libertarians sitting side by side, you know, pulling

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at least nominally against their enemies. So I get it right,

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that's the one thing that unifies us together. But and

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if you've ever been into you know, boxing or sports,

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you realize this. You know, a purely defensive style it

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does not work. You need to go on the offense.

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And in a war of ideas, a war of belief

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like ours, well, how do you do it? Well, the

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answer is you have to not only deny your enemy's

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moral authority, deny their ability to control you through that,

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but also you have to set the terms of engagement.

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You have to act as the first mover. The example

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Tucker Carlson, who, regardless of your opinion on Tucker Carlson,

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you have to admit that he dictates the course of

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the American political discourse. We are all in one way

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or another, talking about what Tucker is, you know, maybe

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a few weeks ahead of time, but nonetheless, right, it

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simply is the case. And I think that serves as

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a good model because ultimately when they're and we see

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this with actually the election of Trump as well, especially

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the first time around, when they're talking about you, you

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are winning because they are engaging with what you want

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to talk about. Similarly, right, I think that JD. Vance

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actually did a quite good job reacting to the enemy

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right in this case, because he was able to both

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deny their framing accomplish this sort of pery part, but

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also immediately, you know, fireback. And I don't say this

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as a ringing endorsement of JD. Vance and everything he thinks,

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but look, you know, when you're dealing with a story

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like this, when the vice president says something, you read it.

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So Vance reacted to reacted to this by posting the

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screenshots from Jay Jones, right, and he said, posting the screenshot,

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this is far worse than anything said in that college

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group chat. And the guy who said it could be

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the age of Virginia, I refuse to join the pearl

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clutching when powerful people call for political violence. So again

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we see a denial that this is anything to be

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worried about. Right, No, I refuse to accept your ability

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to criticize me, and in fact, now you need to answer.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: It's a basic thing. It's saying like, no, you. But nonetheless,

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the difference in tone, the difference in reaction to the

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kind of slavish deference we see from the sort of

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House conservatives, And I've got an example of that in

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a second is stark. So I found this one response

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to the story that I thought was perfect because it

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exactly you know, talked about are exactly sort of encapsulated

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what I'm talking about here. So this is from a

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Twitter account hand Shannity hah. But it's kind of the

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perfect encapsulation of this loser mindset we're talking about here.

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I'd rather lose than unite with the alt right. We

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barely have anything in common anyway. I'm a constitutional conservative,

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they're authoritarians and Islam simps. I will never be part

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of a coalition with them. They're antithetical to everything.

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Speaker 2: I believe in.

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Speaker 3: But that first part I'd rather lose is exactly the

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dynamic I'm talking about it is I would rather be

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a slave than violate.

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Speaker 1: He would have been in Spain in nineteen thirty six.

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He would have been machine gunned in the street rather

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than Franco who is a Catholic siding with the phalonga

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the Falangee who were fascists and leaning more towards atheism

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and Carlists. And yeah, he would have much rather have

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been machine gun I would rather lose. That's the problem.

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He doesn't fucking realize that we're in a war. He

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doesn't realize that these people get back in power, they'll

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want to fucking kill us because he's playing a game,

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or more likely he's of a certain tribe that's going

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to be protected because what he says when he says

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Islam simp what he's saying is people are against people

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who are speaking out against Israel or international Jewish power

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or APEC. That's exactly what he's saying. Because I know

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his account and I see what he put I see

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what he tweets all the time, and I think that that's.

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Speaker 3: The perfect example, right, you know, he is much more

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worried about the affront to the regime than winning right.

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The affront to the kind of pre existing I guess

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kind of you could say, like civic religion of post

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sixties America. Right, that's the real crime. And so when

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we look at this, right, it can be confusing sometimes

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for people to say, like, well, why are they doing this,

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Like why are they doing things which seemingly, you know,

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would would harm their chances at winning. And it's because

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they're not there to win, right, that is not their

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end goal. They have already won in their mind right

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there at their end state, which is, you know, I

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get to be in a in a relative sense, privileged, Right,

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I get things that normal people don't. And I don't

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really have to work very hard. I don't have to

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exert myself. I'm not exposed to anything you know, dangerous

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or unpleasant. So why would I put myself at risk?

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Why would I do anything difficult? You're gonna understand they've

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already won in their minds, right, you were threatening their

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desired end state. They don't view themselves as having really

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anything in common with you at all. They've already gotten

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exactly what they want. And so I really wrote this

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to to sort of provide a one analysis of you

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know that that sort of house conservative dynamic, right, those

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who are slavishly devoted to power as it exists. But

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also to say, like, okay, well, assuming we don't want

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that to continue, what's the what's the way to avoid it?

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And it's twofold. First is to leave the plantation, right,

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get out of their house, you know, and that may

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require you know, giving up certain privileges and benefits certainly,

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but also throw away their tools, right, attack them back,

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and do so in such a way that you were

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in your own moral framing. And so, yeah, that's sort

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of the summation of the article. Obviously we can discuss

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it more there, but yeah, thanks Pete, that's sort of

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I guess the summary of it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the whole idea of this group that is seeking

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to suck up to power. I mean, I even saw

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this in libertarianism, the Reason magazine and the Cato Institute.

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They're based out of Washington, DC, and they get invited

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to the parties, and that's why they don't say anything.

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That's why if somebody says anything slightly racial, or anybody

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says anything about Israel, they have to simp for them,

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because then they won't be invited to the parties. But

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it's not only that. Then I learned in twenty nineteen

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that they actually have expense accounts. The people who work

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there have cards that they're given so they can go

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to lunch every day, they can pay they have everything

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paid for on top of their salary. So why would

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they do anything to rock the boat? And that's what

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happens with these with these think tanks, with the Young Republicans,

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with all of these groups, is they're getting so much

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money that they they don't want to you know, they

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don't want to lose that there's a fear of loss there.

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Also for anybody who's like, well the Reason magazine and

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KTO Institute doesn't matter. KTO Institute matters a lot. When

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you see people saying, oh, open borders is good for

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the economy, that's they're quoting the Cato Institute. So don't

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dismiss the Cato Institute. I mean right and left quote

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the Cato Institute. So don't don't be like, well they

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don't matter, Well they do, Reason Magazine. I mean, give

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me a phone signal and a drone.

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Speaker 2: But the.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you said a lot there. And really

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what it comes down to is I don't think that

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they don't want to win. I think that they don't

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think they can win, and so I'm just going to

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be comfortable in what you talked about. What MASSA gives me,

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and if MASA allows me to have some table scraps

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and I'm living a better life than those people out

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there and flyover country, well, you know what's selling your

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soul a little bit when you don't even believe you

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have a soul.

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Speaker 3: Well, and I think that there is also a problem

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with a lack of a definite positive vision, because if

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you're issue with the Left is either one of management

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we're not headed towards this end goal in the most

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efficient way, or rapidity, we're just simply moving too fast.

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00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,759
Ultimately your end state is the same. It's a very

475
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:03,279
weak basis of opposition. You probably see this best in

476
00:29:03,319 --> 00:29:06,400
the UK Conservative Party, which is significantly to the left

477
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,880
of you, even the Republicans, where they very much have

478
00:29:11,079 --> 00:29:16,559
this that this objection on kind of a technical managerial level.

479
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,559
So the problem is not you know, immigration, it's that

480
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,119
immigration is causing.

481
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:22,839
Speaker 2: X y Z issue.

482
00:29:23,559 --> 00:29:26,839
Speaker 3: The problem is not you know x y Z social decay.

483
00:29:27,359 --> 00:29:30,519
And I think that that's another problem as well, is

484
00:29:30,519 --> 00:29:38,319
that ultimately their winning is not their version like ideal

485
00:29:38,359 --> 00:29:41,359
state is really not that different. Now, some of this

486
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,799
may be lacking conceptual framework. I think that is very true,

487
00:29:44,799 --> 00:29:48,440
and I've noticed this with the real world conservatives I

488
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,839
talk to that even if they do have deep in

489
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,759
their bones kind of a far right vision of the

490
00:29:54,799 --> 00:29:58,119
future or ideal they don't have a good way to

491
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:03,759
express that. So they reflexively express themselves in sort of

492
00:30:03,759 --> 00:30:06,880
the left of another era. So you'll hear things like,

493
00:30:07,519 --> 00:30:09,079
you know, well that's just what I think and you

494
00:30:09,079 --> 00:30:11,920
don't have to agree with me, or you know, again

495
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,200
the kind of comments about race we said earlier, and

496
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:15,799
if you dig a little bit deeper, they don't actually

497
00:30:15,839 --> 00:30:19,640
think that. But they're so used to, you know, being

498
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,440
attacked that they're sort of trying to express a very

499
00:30:22,599 --> 00:30:25,759
limited degree of resistance. They think they can get away

500
00:30:25,799 --> 00:30:29,200
with slight sidebar issue. I think this is how a

501
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,359
lot of people end up as libertarian, is that, you know,

502
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,960
it's a way to sort of side step uncomfortable, thorny

503
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,880
questions that can get you in trouble by saying, oh,

504
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,839
I'm neither right nor left, you know, by framing things

505
00:30:41,839 --> 00:30:44,839
purely in the terms of the market instead of saying

506
00:30:44,839 --> 00:30:47,920
something that could get you in trouble. So I think

507
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,599
that's part of it as well. And the problem is

508
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:56,000
that sort of weak, tactically allowable opposition, which I think

509
00:30:56,039 --> 00:31:00,319
is a very deliberate strategy, where you can quibble on implementation,

510
00:31:00,599 --> 00:31:04,000
you can quibble on speed, because given a long enough time,

511
00:31:04,039 --> 00:31:06,319
it doesn't matter if you're driving at thirty miles an

512
00:31:06,359 --> 00:31:09,559
hour sixty miles an hour. Eventually you will reach your destination.

513
00:31:10,599 --> 00:31:12,440
And I think that that is sort of a deliberate

514
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,599
pres like push pull up until relatively recently, and we

515
00:31:16,599 --> 00:31:20,519
could argue even now, the pressure release valve is towards

516
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,880
the kind of I guess you could say, you know,

517
00:31:23,599 --> 00:31:25,920
making the system more efficient at this is a point

518
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:30,200
you see in Ted Kaczinski's The System's Greatest Trick, right,

519
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:34,039
this sort of canned rebellion, the rebellion that offers you

520
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,279
nothing more than a way to make the system as

521
00:31:36,279 --> 00:31:39,160
it exists more efficient. And what's funny is, you know

522
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,279
he's writing from supermax at this point, and so you

523
00:31:41,359 --> 00:31:43,400
kind of have to read between the lines because he

524
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,359
realizes he can't really say a whole lot and get

525
00:31:45,359 --> 00:31:48,960
it past the sensors. But he's talking about you know,

526
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,839
obviously he was an I guess you could say eco

527
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,319
fascist is a term some of you used to describe him.

528
00:31:54,559 --> 00:31:57,880
But he talks about the distraction of you know, something

529
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:02,839
like racism, anti racist protesting. Now, look, Ted Kay is

530
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,920
kind of a boomer, so like, you know, taken for

531
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,119
what he's worth, but he says things like, even if

532
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,519
you get exactly what you want, you know, you get

533
00:32:09,599 --> 00:32:12,680
rid of racism, you get rid of racial oppression, all

534
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,079
you will have done is make the system marginally more

535
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,039
efficient at doing what it does. And so really the

536
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,640
version of the Republican Party, of the conservative movement that

537
00:32:21,799 --> 00:32:24,880
is ultimately obsessed with things like, you know, the budget

538
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,240
and the deficit, which, let's be honest, the deficit is

539
00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:29,880
a real issue. But the kind of like Paul Ryan

540
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:34,240
esque Tea Party conservatives, I mean, realistically, all they are

541
00:32:34,279 --> 00:32:38,960
doing is making the system oppressing their people better at

542
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,680
what it does. So I think that the basis of

543
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:46,400
opposition is an important thing to consider as well. Now,

544
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,079
one of the things that I think is interesting in

545
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:54,240
this is that, look, regardless of your opinion on Vamps

546
00:32:54,359 --> 00:32:58,640
or Tucker, there's a way in which and this is

547
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,519
something I think of nothing else. As we could take

548
00:33:00,519 --> 00:33:03,200
as a win from the Trump era is that by

549
00:33:04,079 --> 00:33:07,920
being shown something or something being put in words, suddenly

550
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,200
it becomes possible again. Right, you have a term for it,

551
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,559
you've seen that. As the meme goes, you just can

552
00:33:13,759 --> 00:33:17,519
do things. And so I think the fact that people realize, like,

553
00:33:17,559 --> 00:33:22,079
oh wait, you know the the leftist whig history, the

554
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,240
idea that things are constantly ever turning to the left,

555
00:33:25,279 --> 00:33:30,279
things are getting more progressive forever, is not necessary. It

556
00:33:30,279 --> 00:33:33,319
doesn't have to be that way. I think that's a

557
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,400
that's a positive thing, and maybe that's as part of

558
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,880
the generational divide we're seeing, is that younger people see

559
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,200
that there is a possibility for true rebellion on this front.

560
00:33:43,319 --> 00:33:49,359
There's a possibility to do something actually revolutionary and right

561
00:33:49,359 --> 00:33:52,079
wing for as much as those terms mean in this context,

562
00:33:52,319 --> 00:33:55,039
whereas those a little bit older are still living in

563
00:33:55,079 --> 00:33:59,599
the world where we are negotiating the terms of left

564
00:33:59,599 --> 00:34:03,079
word trippy, that is simply the allowable, I guess basis

565
00:34:03,079 --> 00:34:06,480
of discussion. Maybe that's part of it from we consider

566
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,599
they're kind of the normal people. I view those you know,

567
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:10,360
at the top of this kind of coordinating. It is

568
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,639
completely bought and sold. But I guess I'll carve out

569
00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:15,760
a possibility that someone could you be kind of genuine

570
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,280
in this just a sidebar issue. One of the things

571
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,559
reading through this that I thought was really stupid, is

572
00:34:21,599 --> 00:34:25,679
it it's incredibly clear that most of these texts are jokes.

573
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,960
Like you have the chair of some committee basically saying, yeah,

574
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:31,239
if you don't vote for me, I'll put you in

575
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,800
the gas chamber. Like, clearly he's joking. He's talking to

576
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,960
like a group of twelve people. Is he going to

577
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,599
build a gas chamber? Like, of course not, it's ridiculous. Similarly,

578
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,039
I think there's another element to it as well. Fraternities

579
00:34:43,079 --> 00:34:44,760
do this, you know, other kind of groups where they

580
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,000
sort of make you do something minorly illegal together so

581
00:34:48,039 --> 00:34:50,039
that you can see one who chickens out, and also

582
00:34:50,079 --> 00:34:52,440
you're kind of bound together by that act. You know,

583
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,639
a lot of times it's like stealing signs or stealing

584
00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:58,480
from other fraternities, like stuff that's not like no one's dying,

585
00:34:58,559 --> 00:35:00,239
you know, but it's again like a way to sort

586
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,599
of bind an in group and an outgroup, And that

587
00:35:02,679 --> 00:35:05,440
sort of minor transgression is something you see all the time.

588
00:35:06,599 --> 00:35:11,119
But yeah, I think that, let's be honest, the criticisms

589
00:35:11,119 --> 00:35:14,800
of these people is by and large, in my mind,

590
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,480
complete and total cynical opportunism. Right, It is a way

591
00:35:18,559 --> 00:35:22,559
to purge a genuine threat to your position. Is kind

592
00:35:22,559 --> 00:35:25,360
of a you know, a privileged slave in Washington.

593
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:32,280
Speaker 1: Well, I think one of the things that when you

594
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:37,400
see somebody a populist get elected and they talk about

595
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:42,159
reforming the system, and those of us who know that

596
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:46,000
the system is a managerial system and that it's basically

597
00:35:46,119 --> 00:35:53,320
designed to fight off any kind of foreign element that

598
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,920
threatens it, the only other way that you could possibly

599
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:02,119
work that system is you have to take your people,

600
00:36:02,159 --> 00:36:04,519
have to take over. Your people have to take control,

601
00:36:05,079 --> 00:36:08,199
and that basically calls for purges, and you have to

602
00:36:08,199 --> 00:36:10,000
purge you. And I'm not talking about killing people. I

603
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,159
mean you just gotta fire everyone. You got to put

604
00:36:12,199 --> 00:36:16,360
your own people in there. At some point, you're going

605
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,199
to run out of competent people, so you're going to

606
00:36:19,199 --> 00:36:23,519
be guilty of bioleninism. And the system is going to

607
00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:27,199
continue to do what it does, except now you're running it.

608
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,519
And then you know, I always think about conquest second law.

609
00:36:31,559 --> 00:36:34,880
I think it's also called those Sullivan's law about any

610
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,159
any organization that's not expelicitly right wing will always turn

611
00:36:39,199 --> 00:36:43,800
to the left. And the problem I see is that

612
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,880
even for those who think that Trump has come to

613
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:51,320
save the day, I mean I don't. I always said

614
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:55,239
that he it's funny. For a year, I said he's

615
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:59,159
a stop gap, and now people are saying that. I like,

616
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,599
I see people like posting my name. Of course they

617
00:37:02,599 --> 00:37:05,320
don't tag me and saying that I said that Trump

618
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,719
came to save to save them. Show me where I said,

619
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,239
Please give me some receipts on that. But the problem

620
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:17,599
is is that when you have when it's infested with

621
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,239
your own people. Look, if you're going to take over

622
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:25,000
managerial system and you're going to be explicitly right wing,

623
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,840
you're going to need explicitly you're gonna be able. You're

624
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,519
gonna have to hire millions of people who are explicitly

625
00:37:31,599 --> 00:37:36,679
right wing. That's not possible. It's it's just it's not

626
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,119
possible at all. Sure, all of us know people who

627
00:37:40,119 --> 00:37:42,800
are explicitly right wing, but I mean that's anecdotal at

628
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,079
this point. There are people who, you know, it's like

629
00:37:46,119 --> 00:37:52,159
the whole remigration thing, mass deportations, I'm like, that's never

630
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:56,400
going to happen. You're you're gonna have I'm not even boomers.

631
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:01,519
You're just gonna have people who've bought into like constantitutional politics,

632
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,039
who are going to see their neighbor who's been living

633
00:38:04,079 --> 00:38:07,039
next to them forever getting pulled out of their house

634
00:38:07,119 --> 00:38:09,440
and they're going to fight you. And these are going

635
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,679
to be people who voted for Trump. These are going

636
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,760
to be people who can consider themselves to be right wing.

637
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:19,920
You're there is no right wing. I mean there is

638
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,679
a right wing, but it's a remnant. I mean it's

639
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,840
a small group. Right now, what does Thomas call it?

640
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,960
He says it's a vanguard. There's nobody. And if you

641
00:38:29,039 --> 00:38:30,880
think that this is going to be, you know, you

642
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:32,920
can populate this with right wingers.

643
00:38:33,119 --> 00:38:34,280
Speaker 2: I mean, you're out of your mind.

644
00:38:34,519 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: In the first place, you'd have to get it down

645
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:40,639
to its smallest to its smallest components. And then when

646
00:38:40,639 --> 00:38:43,360
you're talking about that, you're just in libertarian land. Now, Oh,

647
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,000
we just got to get it down to you know,

648
00:38:45,159 --> 00:38:47,840
just the Constitution and it's five pages and you can

649
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,920
read it in twenty minutes. As not happening, there's too

650
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,719
many when you take into consideration that you need the

651
00:38:54,800 --> 00:39:00,840
system to defeat however that looks your enemies. You know,

652
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,199
the regime right now, you're going to need that system.

653
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:08,280
You're propagating the system, you're keeping it going. The problem

654
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,880
isn't like the people in the system. Sure they're a problem,

655
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,800
but the real problem is just the system. It's how

656
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:21,760
this system is run and the fact that you can

657
00:39:22,639 --> 00:39:26,360
you can get seventy percent people on your side in

658
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,320
that system, but if you have thirty percent of people

659
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:34,280
who are just managerial by nature, they've been doing this

660
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,159
job for twenty years, you're never going to be able

661
00:39:37,199 --> 00:39:38,519
to take it over. You're never going to be able

662
00:39:38,559 --> 00:39:41,880
to stop it. You're always going to have somebody who's sticking,

663
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,039
you know, sticking a pipe in the spokes to stop you.

664
00:39:45,519 --> 00:39:51,320
And so it's at this point it's like, Okay, we

665
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:57,320
see quote unquote right wingers, young Republicans getting canceled by

666
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:01,199
their own side. Because when it's right winger, it's always

667
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,119
our own people who are doing the doc saying or

668
00:40:04,159 --> 00:40:06,599
doing all this stuff. It's always on your own side

669
00:40:06,639 --> 00:40:11,920
who's doing it. And so how do you how do

670
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:16,199
you think you're going to put together a coalition until

671
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,159
I mean, I think the only chance you have.

672
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 2: And then at this point I.

673
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: Even question it is until left to start pulling people

674
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:27,119
out in the streets and start executing them. I mean,

675
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,119
at this point, I don't I'm looking at people who

676
00:40:31,199 --> 00:40:35,360
are like arguing about how, oh Besson, what Besson's doing. Yeah,

677
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:39,920
what Besson's doing at Treasury could be great for the

678
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,320
next three years, and it may we may be able

679
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,000
to benefit for it by it for three years, but

680
00:40:45,039 --> 00:40:47,559
who the hell knows what happens after the next three years.

681
00:40:48,119 --> 00:40:51,599
Who knows what happens after the midterms. Yeah, I mean,

682
00:40:51,599 --> 00:40:55,199
we're you're talking about what a year maybe if the

683
00:40:55,199 --> 00:40:58,719
midterms go the wrong way. You're talking about a year

684
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:00,760
where everything's going to grind to a halt. Not only

685
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,400
is everything go to grind to a halt, but you're

686
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,599
gonna be looking at impeachment again. You're gonna be looking

687
00:41:04,639 --> 00:41:06,480
at all the same stuff that we saw the first time.

688
00:41:07,679 --> 00:41:12,039
And people are like leaking texts and talking about how

689
00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:14,320
we have to you know, one hundred percent support Trump

690
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:20,639
because Trump's are Okay, sure, counter anything I just said,

691
00:41:20,679 --> 00:41:23,599
Say anything I just said was a lie, Say I'm

692
00:41:23,639 --> 00:41:24,840
wrong about anything I.

693
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,280
Speaker 2: Just said, I'll wait here.

694
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 1: I'll wait for someone to say that I'm wrong about

695
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,559
all of that, because if you've opened your eyes and

696
00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:35,159
you've watched this thing happen, I'm not even talking about

697
00:41:35,199 --> 00:41:38,360
the the fact that basically what I was talking about

698
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,519
for a year about how there were factions vying for Trump,

699
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:45,199
vying to control Trump, and it's completely obvious that the

700
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:49,000
Zionist faction has won so far. I mean, I'll give

701
00:41:49,039 --> 00:41:50,039
the benefit of the doubt.

702
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 2: So far. What am I?

703
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: What am I supposed to be? How am I supposed

704
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:56,760
to feel?

705
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 2: You know?

706
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,679
Speaker 1: How's my white pill about nash politics. I could be

707
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,280
white pilled about what the Old Glory Club is doing.

708
00:42:04,599 --> 00:42:06,280
I could be white pilled about what I do in

709
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,280
my own community. I could be white pilled about what

710
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,800
we can do local politics, because I can somewhat, I

711
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,280
somewhat have my hands in that. But thinking that anything's

712
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,920
going to get solved from up there in the system

713
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,320
that has been going for one hundred years and is like,

714
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,400
I mean, the breaks are off the train and it's

715
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,960
just hurtling down the track. Well, who's going to be

716
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,400
able to get a hold of that train? I mean,

717
00:42:31,559 --> 00:42:36,079
this isn't a freaking Denzel Washington movie. You're not going

718
00:42:36,159 --> 00:42:38,519
to get that train. How do you get that train?

719
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,599
Other than you have to figure out exactly who is

720
00:42:42,639 --> 00:42:47,079
in control of that train? And it's this gigantic system,

721
00:42:47,199 --> 00:42:50,599
this octopus, this Leviathan, and then what do you how

722
00:42:50,599 --> 00:42:56,000
do you infect the Leviathan and kill it? Yeah, I'm sorry,

723
00:42:56,039 --> 00:43:00,239
I'm just asking questions here. But if someone if someone

724
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,880
wants to like tell me where I'm wrong, I'll listen

725
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:04,960
to it. If someone wants to just be mad at me,

726
00:43:05,559 --> 00:43:07,519
I'm you know, I don't have time for it, but

727
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:08,679
I don't think I'm wrong.

728
00:43:10,519 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 3: So there are a couple of things there, which is

729
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,920
one uh, and there are receipts on this. I've been

730
00:43:16,159 --> 00:43:18,480
you know, doing the Current Event show with Thomas, I

731
00:43:18,519 --> 00:43:21,519
mean for almost a year now, actually probably more than that.

732
00:43:22,119 --> 00:43:22,639
Speaker 2: Uh.

733
00:43:22,679 --> 00:43:26,519
Speaker 3: And throughout the whole sort of Trump two point zero,

734
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,039
I've had effectively the same point, which is, look like

735
00:43:30,079 --> 00:43:33,760
Trump isn't gonna get us there, but you're dumb if

736
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,039
you think we'd be better off under Kamala Harris.

737
00:43:36,559 --> 00:43:39,519
Speaker 1: And yeah, that's the argument I've been making to people

738
00:43:39,559 --> 00:43:42,320
who are like you supported Trump. You told us to

739
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,880
vote for Trump. Even if I did, even if I

740
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,119
did convince you to vote for Trump and you voted

741
00:43:48,119 --> 00:43:54,000
for Trump, what's your complaint. You're embarrassed. Grow the fuck up,

742
00:43:54,559 --> 00:43:58,440
Grow the fuck up, your little kid, your little bitch. Okay,

743
00:43:59,199 --> 00:44:00,880
I told you to vote for Trump because I I

744
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,119
thought I knew it was gonna Look, I'd rather have

745
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,280
leftist come for me in three years when I could be,

746
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,280
when I could plan for that and you know, and

747
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:10,840
you know, worry about that down the line, and plan

748
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,079
for it now that it's starting a year ago.

749
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 3: And I think it's also relevant to say that, even

750
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:23,519
as someone who is relatively pessimistic about uh, you know,

751
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:27,639
party politics in America. Uh, from a certain perspective, we've

752
00:44:27,639 --> 00:44:30,800
gotten more than we could have reasonably expected to. Like. Okay,

753
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,639
let's take dhs at their word. I don't know how

754
00:44:33,639 --> 00:44:36,440
many people they say they've they've gotten out, but all right,

755
00:44:36,639 --> 00:44:41,800
it's something, you know, like fair enough. H But I

756
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:48,039
think that there is this recurring meme online whereas the

757
00:44:48,119 --> 00:44:53,599
two acceptable camps are either one you support Trump or

758
00:44:53,599 --> 00:44:57,360
your black pilling, and the other side says, oh, you

759
00:44:57,519 --> 00:45:03,840
either effectively freak out about everything he's doing and talk

760
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,880
about he's zion down like those are your only two

761
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:11,360
available positions and look man like again, I maintain that

762
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,519
we've we've gotten more from Trump over the course of

763
00:45:13,519 --> 00:45:16,280
his career than we reasonably could have expected to from

764
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:20,280
any other politician on both a practical political and also

765
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,880
like a I guess we could say, like a spiritual

766
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,400
or like dialectic level right where the conversation has gone.

767
00:45:27,039 --> 00:45:30,159
And I view that as a definite win. And when

768
00:45:30,199 --> 00:45:34,000
we talk about factions, uh, I think your analysis of

769
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,000
the Trump administration, which is that the you know, the

770
00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:40,079
Zionist neocon and heavy scare quotes faction has has been

771
00:45:40,079 --> 00:45:45,480
winning clearly within the administration and in the immediate term

772
00:45:45,679 --> 00:45:49,599
that is what matters. But to me, on I guess

773
00:45:49,679 --> 00:45:55,760
population level, the fact that that support base, right, that

774
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,480
the kind of good normal conservatives who have lent a

775
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:03,840
lot of weight to American support for Zionism, that base

776
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,840
is decaying. A lot of them are aging out right

777
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,119
reaching you know the point at which you know, Boomers,

778
00:46:11,119 --> 00:46:13,199
who are the most kind of inundated in the post

779
00:46:13,199 --> 00:46:17,559
war consensus, are that generation is declining, you know, sadly enough,

780
00:46:18,079 --> 00:46:20,320
and you know, I mentioned you know someone like Tucker.

781
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,880
But also I mean, look at you know, Jimmy Door

782
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,639
on the left. That cultural narrative is falling apart, and

783
00:46:26,679 --> 00:46:30,920
so to me, I'm incredibly optimistic while still not expecting

784
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:35,000
Donald Trump to you know, sort of function as the

785
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:39,079
you know, the reincarnated version of in Q thought, is

786
00:46:39,079 --> 00:46:42,440
he JFK reincarnated? I can't remember whatever the Q cards

787
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,800
think about him, you know, this sort of mythical figure

788
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,639
designed to restore the republic. And so look like, does

789
00:46:48,639 --> 00:46:52,079
that get us to our desired end state? Right whatever

790
00:46:52,119 --> 00:46:56,360
we all individually want. No. But I love talking to

791
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,360
guys who've been in this fight for a long time,

792
00:46:59,079 --> 00:47:02,039
because over and again they say, like, why are you upset?

793
00:47:02,039 --> 00:47:07,360
Why are you black pilling? Because yeah, Donald Trump loves Israel.

794
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,920
Donald Trump seems to be an israel first president. Okay, yeah,

795
00:47:12,679 --> 00:47:16,440
but then again, what president in my lifetime hasn't That's

796
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,440
sort of a given. That's just how it works. So

797
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,840
you can almost take that away as a determinate factor

798
00:47:22,039 --> 00:47:25,119
because every president likely to get to that point has

799
00:47:25,159 --> 00:47:27,760
that same thing. So if you're you're making a comparative,

800
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,480
you know, judgment, which one is better one over the other,

801
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,119
if all of them have that thing in common. I mean, honestly, man,

802
00:47:34,159 --> 00:47:36,199
what's the point of talking about it past a certain point.

803
00:47:37,039 --> 00:47:40,159
But when I see the growth of you know, a

804
00:47:40,199 --> 00:47:45,880
real resistance, a growth of people who have firmly decided

805
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,920
to walk off the plantation, discard the master's tools, and

806
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,800
give it a go, I'm really excited by that, genuinely,

807
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:56,800
very excited. And this is another thing you hear from

808
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,280
from Thomas. But also, you know, any number of the

809
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:04,960
kind of oldersance guys, the ability to insulate yourself from

810
00:48:06,159 --> 00:48:09,639
the kind of social pressure and you know, social consequences

811
00:48:09,639 --> 00:48:12,119
of defying the regime have never been higher. If part

812
00:48:12,159 --> 00:48:14,159
of this is the Internet, which admittedly could be shut

813
00:48:14,159 --> 00:48:15,960
off tomorrow and you and I PTE would have to

814
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,880
get real jobs, but that's probably relatively unlikely. But even

815
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,719
the fact that you can coordinate, you can find people

816
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,800
who share your values, and you'll ameliorate the kind of

817
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:30,159
isolation that comes with you know, opposing the predominant you know,

818
00:48:30,199 --> 00:48:33,639
social beliefs of your day. So I mean, yeah, look, man,

819
00:48:33,679 --> 00:48:36,639
I completely share your opinions on Trump, Like I don't

820
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:41,519
really like a lot of what he's doing, but it

821
00:48:41,599 --> 00:48:44,480
kind of depends on your one your expectations of Trump

822
00:48:44,559 --> 00:48:48,000
or any politician. I never really expected him to do

823
00:48:48,079 --> 00:48:50,599
anything I liked. So when you get one or two,

824
00:48:50,639 --> 00:48:53,519
you're like, oh, hey, you know it's not ideal, but

825
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:55,679
you know it's better than what I thought. You know,

826
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:57,119
It's like when you go to the mechanic and you're

827
00:48:57,119 --> 00:48:59,079
expecting to spend a couple grand and it's only five

828
00:48:59,119 --> 00:49:01,360
hundred bucks, and you're like, hey, if you feel like

829
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,960
you're winning, it's sort of I guess by reaction to

830
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,519
the whole thing. And additionally, you know, as regards the

831
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:12,000
way people talk about this, I think that the short

832
00:49:12,039 --> 00:49:14,719
attention span of on the internet right, the way in

833
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,400
which everything is cyclical, and X has made this worse

834
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:21,000
through its you know, monetization features which kind of prioritize

835
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:27,559
these these highly highly controversial engagement based posts. So you

836
00:49:27,599 --> 00:49:29,360
start to see the same thing cycle through over and

837
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:35,119
over again. It dilutes the actual arc of a movement

838
00:49:35,199 --> 00:49:38,480
or a narrative. And Stormy talks about this quite a lot,

839
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,159
and I have no reason to think that he's wrong.

840
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,039
But even in my own life, I have seen beliefs

841
00:49:44,079 --> 00:49:48,039
that five or ten yet alone, even two or three

842
00:49:48,119 --> 00:49:50,519
years ago, would have been the most radical thing you

843
00:49:50,639 --> 00:49:52,440
possibly you can imagine, right, you have to go to

844
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,599
the deep dark corners of the Internet expressed by very

845
00:49:56,039 --> 00:49:59,159
normal people. And does that mean that woke is dead?

846
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,599
Does that mean that, you know, our relationship with Israel

847
00:50:01,679 --> 00:50:06,239
is over? No, because we understand right that the organized

848
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:11,239
minority will defeat a disorganized majority. One hundred percent. I

849
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:15,880
agree with that premise. But at the same time, any

850
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:21,280
regime ours included, requires a certain amount of moral buy in, right,

851
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:25,719
they require sort of, they require a moral unity between

852
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,000
the ruler and the ruld. And in a way, right,

853
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,800
the House Conservatives functioned to make sure that the loyal

854
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:37,039
opposition right, the oppositional party, were still on side ultimately,

855
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,320
and they made sure that they didn't get too far

856
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,280
out so that the moral unity would be broken in

857
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,559
a time when you know, the nominal right was no

858
00:50:45,639 --> 00:50:49,280
longer in power. Now this started to break down, not

859
00:50:49,599 --> 00:50:51,679
you know, sort of before my time, right, but in

860
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:53,719
the kind of post Could War era you see the

861
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:57,920
rise of every election being declared illegitimate. But that crack

862
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,840
right in the in the moral foundation of society has

863
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:06,519
has massively widened, especially you know, in the post COVID years, especially,

864
00:51:07,039 --> 00:51:09,119
you know in the post, you know kind of you know,

865
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:13,039
Israel hamas era, and so to me, you know, I'm

866
00:51:13,079 --> 00:51:17,000
primarily concerned with trend lines. That doesn't necessarily mean that

867
00:51:17,039 --> 00:51:21,000
things will get better you know, today, tomorrow, three weeks

868
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:25,360
from now. But ultimately I look at you know, the

869
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:29,920
things is being relatively rosy for us. We have a chance.

870
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,559
And during the Biden years, you know, during the time

871
00:51:33,599 --> 00:51:36,159
when I was sincerely worried about ever being able to

872
00:51:36,159 --> 00:51:38,719
have a job because I didn't get the JAB and

873
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:42,480
there didn't seem to be any hope at all. So again, comparatively,

874
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,960
things are going quite well. And I think also we

875
00:51:46,039 --> 00:51:51,239
have to understand that that that relationship of the sort

876
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:56,719
of privileged few in Washington, the rhino class, well I

877
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,880
don't think that's ever going away. What we have seen

878
00:52:00,199 --> 00:52:03,440
is that in the same way that Trump shaped the

879
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:08,360
conceptual landscape of what is possible, he has also shown

880
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:13,760
Republican voters what is possible, they expect more of their

881
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,719
elected officials. And that does that mean that Trump is

882
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:18,320
like a god king? Does that mean that he's my

883
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:23,360
favorite politician ever? No, But it's much harder to slide.

884
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:27,119
It's much harder to you know, get along with the

885
00:52:27,199 --> 00:52:30,360
kind of like bare minimum, you know, in a in

886
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:34,360
a world in which there is an alternative. And also

887
00:52:34,519 --> 00:52:37,320
I think that in reaction to Trump, and I think

888
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:40,559
it was Catgirl Koolock wrote this essay comparing Trump to

889
00:52:41,519 --> 00:52:45,079
like an anaphylactic reaction, where it's basically like Trump is

890
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,760
the system of power eating a peanut butter sandwich. Right,

891
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,679
It's he's completely and totally harmless. But if your body

892
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,800
thinks that a peanut butter is contains a deadly toxin,

893
00:52:55,159 --> 00:52:58,559
it will produce a reaction, right, an allergic reaction which

894
00:52:58,639 --> 00:53:02,360
could kill you. Even the since is, you know, it's

895
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,639
fair relatively innocuous. I think that that is something Trump

896
00:53:05,679 --> 00:53:08,440
has created as well, which is that he is super

897
00:53:08,599 --> 00:53:13,960
charged the hatred for the conservative, for the nominal right

898
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,920
wing in America. Obviously we see this in the assassination

899
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,679
of Charlie Kirk, if we discussed last time, which has

900
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:25,960
made the position of House Conservatives even less tenable, because

901
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,599
that depended on there being a relationship where the master

902
00:53:28,679 --> 00:53:31,840
would give you table scraps. And if the master looks

903
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:33,840
at his you know, his his whipping boy and says,

904
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:37,039
wait a minute you know you're a Nazi, you get

905
00:53:37,039 --> 00:53:40,559
the bullet too, just out of simple self preservation. Either

906
00:53:40,599 --> 00:53:43,880
those people will be forced to abandon their previous position

907
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,440
or they won't be around for long as not a

908
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,840
threat and elected official at all. I'm just saying, you know,

909
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,639
given current trends of you know, left wing political violence.

910
00:53:52,079 --> 00:53:54,760
So anyway, it's probably a little bit unorganized way to

911
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:56,760
wrap that up. Peat But do you see what I'm getting at? There?

912
00:53:58,360 --> 00:53:59,760
Speaker 2: I see what you're getting at. I got a couple

913
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:00,000
of things.

914
00:54:00,159 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 1: Is there one? Populism isn't going to change anything. We

915
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,760
need elites, We need people who are powerful, who are

916
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:12,880
adopting those those opinions. I think it is great that

917
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,960
people are starting to open their eyes to you know,

918
00:54:16,039 --> 00:54:21,000
America's greatest ally and seeing that conservatives are. I think

919
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,840
that can help them in their personal life to be

920
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:27,000
able to avoid traps and know what you know, know

921
00:54:27,039 --> 00:54:30,039
what not to say and what to say, and you know,

922
00:54:30,159 --> 00:54:32,679
to just be able to navigate the reality that we

923
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:36,639
live in. But also, everything that you've said there is

924
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:46,000
really only it is only useful by an organized group,

925
00:54:46,599 --> 00:54:48,800
and that organized group is not going to be political.

926
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,880
It's not going to be in Washington, d C. Not

927
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,800
at least not in our lifetimes. It's we're looking at

928
00:54:55,840 --> 00:55:00,679
something much longer here. So while people are abandoning can servatism,

929
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:04,400
and while people are seeing our greatest ally as the

930
00:55:05,199 --> 00:55:09,400
maniac and psychopaths that they are, there is nothing that

931
00:55:09,559 --> 00:55:12,880
we can do. There's nothing that d C is going

932
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,320
to do about it. There's no there's no action that's

933
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:16,079
going to be taken.

934
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:16,639
Speaker 2: Now.

935
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:20,280
Speaker 1: If it is and I'm proven wrong, I will do

936
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,480
my meculpis and I will say that I was wrong,

937
00:55:23,559 --> 00:55:28,800
but understanding everything that you said there and not disagreeing

938
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:34,119
with any of it. It's just knowing how to take

939
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:38,559
that that energy, that forward movement and use it. And

940
00:55:38,639 --> 00:55:40,519
really at this point the only way to use it

941
00:55:40,639 --> 00:55:45,480
is is privately and locally or maybe possibly statewide if

942
00:55:45,519 --> 00:55:48,559
it's small enough state, if you're you know, depending on

943
00:55:48,639 --> 00:55:53,280
populations and stuff like that. So you know, my argument

944
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:57,800
was never that people aren't waking up to these realities

945
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:03,199
and people aren't abandoning conservatism. My my argument, and you know,

946
00:56:03,559 --> 00:56:05,760
the standard that I will you know, stay on is

947
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,800
the fact that nothing is going to change d see

948
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:12,840
unless there is a a root and branch branched tear out.

949
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,320
So I think that's where I hung from.

950
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Speaker 3: Well, and I think that that goes back to and

951
00:56:18,599 --> 00:56:20,360
this is one of those quotes that you know, if

952
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:22,559
you if you look on Google, you'll find like thirty

953
00:56:22,599 --> 00:56:25,039
different famous people who are all alleged to have said it.

954
00:56:25,599 --> 00:56:28,280
The idea that your politics fundamentally is the art of

955
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,920
the possible. Right, you're taking what is within your reach.

956
00:56:32,559 --> 00:56:35,000
And if we look at ours, right, the people listening

957
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,559
to this podcast, who for the most part are sort

958
00:56:37,559 --> 00:56:40,599
of coulos right, people who are you know, it might

959
00:56:40,639 --> 00:56:43,559
be small businessmen there, you know, they have some level

960
00:56:43,639 --> 00:56:48,079
of agency, but they are not by and large cultural elite.

961
00:56:48,599 --> 00:56:52,880
There are some exceptions, of course, but if our entire

962
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:57,760
listener base was powerful and deeply entrenched in Washington, we

963
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,000
would live in a very different world. It's fun to

964
00:57:00,079 --> 00:57:03,440
mentally if we do these sort of grand exercises, and

965
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,039
many of them are these kind of hypotheticals, you know,

966
00:57:06,199 --> 00:57:08,119
what would I do if I were in charge? And

967
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:10,639
fair enough? Of course it's useful, right, you can sort

968
00:57:10,639 --> 00:57:13,719
of war game it out, but that's not really a

969
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:16,599
great first start, you know, it's it's the underpants gnomes,

970
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,360
you know, or it's that meme from Despicable Me. You know,

971
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:23,119
Step one, you know, talk about it on a podcast,

972
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:25,679
Step two, question mark, step three, rule of the world.

973
00:57:26,199 --> 00:57:29,679
It turns out that intermediate step is incredibly important. And

974
00:57:29,719 --> 00:57:32,199
so when we talk about, you know, a localized strategy,

975
00:57:32,239 --> 00:57:34,880
it's like, well, a localized strategy does not in and

976
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:38,079
of itself immediately fix all of our issues. But what

977
00:57:38,079 --> 00:57:41,639
it is is it a logical next step? Right, You're like, okay,

978
00:57:41,639 --> 00:57:45,400
well here's what we have, here's the next thing up,

979
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:47,880
the sort of tech tree. Right, if you're the kind

980
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,119
of person who plays map video games, right, then the

981
00:57:50,159 --> 00:57:53,360
next logical step. And I think, again, this is a

982
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:57,440
problem of the gap between what is fun to talk

983
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:59,960
about and what is useful to do, which are so

984
00:58:00,119 --> 00:58:01,360
of two separate buckets.

985
00:58:02,239 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 2: You know.

986
00:58:02,599 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 3: Again, to some a guy with a podcast, I realize

987
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:08,840
I'm guilty of this as well. But the idea is

988
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:12,000
not simply to say, you know, forever, focus only on

989
00:58:12,039 --> 00:58:15,400
the local, but it's to say, like, you have personal agency.

990
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,719
No one denies that, but there's a relative there's a

991
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:21,679
limited scope to that, and so effectively, what can we

992
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:25,679
affect right now? What can we do to build power

993
00:58:26,599 --> 00:58:29,920
This is something that the neo reactionaries accurately saw as

994
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:34,960
a problem with right wing Americans conservatives is that they

995
00:58:35,119 --> 00:58:38,199
they love to sort of celebrate and spike the football

996
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:40,360
the moment they get a win. They're like, all right,

997
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:42,920
we showed them, we got it, and yeah, sure that

998
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:46,039
makes you feel good. And sometimes you need a psychological win,

999
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:50,000
you know, you need the blue haired professor from whatever

1000
00:58:50,039 --> 00:58:52,880
some university in Tennessee getting fired for you know, making

1001
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,480
a Charlie Kirk joke, like that's good for a number

1002
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,360
of reasons, you know, not necessarily in scope of this conversation.

1003
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:01,320
But the way that you win, and we see this

1004
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:06,320
with the cultural left is that you never stop fighting, right.

1005
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:10,960
It's sort of the slow gradual process. Uh. You know,

1006
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:13,280
anyone who's done grappling will get this, you know that

1007
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:16,000
the kind of like dragging someone into deep water, you know,

1008
00:59:16,119 --> 00:59:18,760
slowly taking an inch, taking an inch, taking an inch,

1009
00:59:19,079 --> 00:59:21,199
until you've you know, you've got their back and you

1010
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:24,039
got the choke wrapped in deep And that's not fun,

1011
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,039
you know, it's not as cool as you know, the

1012
00:59:27,039 --> 00:59:32,119
the thirty second knockout, right, but fundamentally right, like, we

1013
00:59:32,119 --> 00:59:35,199
we want to win because as you said earlier, like

1014
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,679
the consequences of losing are no longer what they once were.

1015
00:59:39,039 --> 00:59:41,519
It is no longer that you know, you don't get

1016
00:59:41,519 --> 00:59:43,440
what you want, but you get to you know, take

1017
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:46,480
your ball and go home. This has genuinely become and

1018
00:59:46,519 --> 00:59:48,639
you see this in the example of you know, Kirk

1019
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:51,119
let alone, you know many others that the fact that

1020
00:59:51,159 --> 00:59:53,719
you could just be canceled right from within your own ranks,

1021
00:59:54,039 --> 00:59:57,559
it has become existential. And so that requires a certain

1022
00:59:57,599 --> 00:59:59,440
amount of discipline, right to do the things that aren't

1023
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:02,559
necessarily fun to do, that aren't necessarily to kind of

1024
01:00:02,599 --> 01:00:06,320
like highlight real stuff, but are very necessary to actually

1025
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:09,719
win it. And uh yeah, I think that that's uh

1026
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:12,119
probably pretty much my uh my thoughts on the subject.

1027
01:00:12,159 --> 01:00:16,719
Speaker 1: Beat No, I get it. I mean, I think we agree,

1028
01:00:17,039 --> 01:00:21,679
and I think that's why we, you know, chase the

1029
01:00:21,719 --> 01:00:26,599
same goals and everything. It's just that you know, really

1030
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:30,119
having a realistic you know, you can have nuance to

1031
01:00:30,239 --> 01:00:32,920
use on things. One of the problems that we have

1032
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:37,400
in today and especially it's very uh rampant on the internet,

1033
01:00:37,559 --> 01:00:39,760
is everybody sees things.

1034
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:41,119
Speaker 2: Black or white.

1035
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 1: You know, it's you if you support this person for

1036
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:48,480
any reason. If you say this person is doing anything

1037
01:00:48,519 --> 01:00:51,519
for any reason, you're totally in that person's camp. You

1038
01:00:51,559 --> 01:00:54,280
agree with everything they're doing. You think that they're you know,

1039
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:56,320
you think that they're Jesus Christ incarnate.

1040
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 2: You know.

1041
01:00:57,199 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 1: And it's like, well, no, I can have a new

1042
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:03,480
onance view on any on pretty much anyone. You know,

1043
01:01:03,679 --> 01:01:07,000
there's I think Tucker is doing amazing work, and there's

1044
01:01:07,039 --> 01:01:10,480
some episodes I just completely skip because it's like, I mean,

1045
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:12,920
there's nothing. I don't think there's anything there for me.

1046
01:01:14,039 --> 01:01:15,760
He says some things every once in a while that

1047
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:19,400
make me cringe. Oh well, everyone says something every once

1048
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:21,400
in a while that makes me cringe. I mean, and

1049
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:24,360
I'm literally talking about everyone that I know, people I

1050
01:01:24,519 --> 01:01:29,840
record podcasts with, you know, come on, stop. And I

1051
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:33,440
don't think that they're they're bad people because I disagree

1052
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:37,719
with them on a couple things or you know, whatever

1053
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,400
their dad used to do or something, or even what

1054
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,760
they might have used to do or something like that.

1055
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:45,400
That's why it's important to get to know people in

1056
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:47,760
real life. I think I think you've you've come to

1057
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:50,360
realize that too. As somebody who was hanging out with

1058
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:58,559
people this past weekend. Yeah, it's it's much more. Things

1059
01:01:58,559 --> 01:02:00,719
are much more complicated. People but want to make it

1060
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:05,920
very easy. People see their solutions as being very easy,

1061
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:10,239
but they don't really. I think a lot of people

1062
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:15,840
just don't understand that if you focus in on one thing, like, oh,

1063
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:19,119
if we can just get our greatest ally, you know,

1064
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:24,519
in check, everything will get better. Well if that's if

1065
01:02:24,519 --> 01:02:27,920
you actually believe that you're wrong, if we can just

1066
01:02:28,679 --> 01:02:32,320
you know, Islam, Islam is such a problem, and it's

1067
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:36,079
like okay, well really really wasn't a problem from the

1068
01:02:36,159 --> 01:02:39,920
last crusade until about the late eighteen hundreds. So what happened?

1069
01:02:40,159 --> 01:02:41,719
What happened to the late eighteen hundreds?

1070
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:46,599
Speaker 2: You know? Yeah, So I.

1071
01:02:46,519 --> 01:02:50,199
Speaker 1: Mean, I just think I think people really need to

1072
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:53,719
I ask people to. I'm not saying you really need

1073
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:55,440
to because that makes me, it makes it look like

1074
01:02:55,719 --> 01:02:58,800
I'm telling you something to do. Please consider looking at

1075
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:04,559
things in a more nuanced way. Please consider taking taking

1076
01:03:04,599 --> 01:03:08,199
the time to understand exactly what we're where we're at,

1077
01:03:08,239 --> 01:03:12,039
what we're going through, and what tools we have to

1078
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:18,199
achieve what you know, the goals that you have. And also,

1079
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:22,320
once you accept the fact that most of the goals

1080
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:24,880
you have for if you're one of these people who

1081
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:28,440
cares about society, who cares about the about America, let's

1082
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:31,119
just put let's go, let's just go with America and

1083
01:03:31,199 --> 01:03:37,280
Americans and heritage Americans. If you care about them, everything

1084
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:41,039
that you're doing right now, you're doing for a future

1085
01:03:41,159 --> 01:03:45,719
generation to benefit from, because it's not going to happen now.

1086
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:49,800
It's not that easy. This is a this is a

1087
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:55,639
multi there's a possibility. But really, anyone who has anyone

1088
01:03:55,639 --> 01:03:58,039
who knows anything about history and reads anything about history

1089
01:03:58,559 --> 01:04:01,639
knows that Rome pretty much started to fall about three

1090
01:04:01,679 --> 01:04:05,280
hundred years before it fell. So you know, and you

1091
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:08,760
could say, oh, well, technology and the Internet, sure that

1092
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:11,239
may cut it in half, that may even cut it

1093
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:15,880
seventy five percent. It's still not your lifetime. So you know,

1094
01:04:16,239 --> 01:04:20,039
work towards be realistic, and work towards what you can

1095
01:04:20,559 --> 01:04:24,360
what you can do, and try not to make in

1096
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:27,920
the process, try not to make it your identity because

1097
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:29,440
that's a that's a dangerous thing.

1098
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's sort of. And we we love to

1099
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:38,039
make fun of the libs for Harry Potter Brain, but

1100
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:40,400
you know a lot of people do really operate off

1101
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:43,239
of We can consider it like Star Wars brain you know,

1102
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:45,400
the idea that you blow up the Death Star and

1103
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:47,679
that's it. You know, you just do you do the

1104
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:51,079
thing as millennials are want to say, you throw the

1105
01:04:51,079 --> 01:04:53,400
emperor down a pit. And now we did it. You know,

1106
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:57,360
we solved the problem. And well there are certain instances

1107
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:00,440
where you know, there was just one piece and everything

1108
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:05,840
fell into place. That's incredibly rare circumstances and what makes

1109
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:09,000
this system difficult. And this is something that even if

1110
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:11,719
he's not so fashionable to talk about now, Moldbug was

1111
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:15,199
quite good at pointing out that there's really no one guy.

1112
01:05:16,119 --> 01:05:19,840
There's no one like you know, mister democrat, you know

1113
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:23,039
sitting at the top, you know, twirling kind of Caesar's mustache,

1114
01:05:23,519 --> 01:05:27,360
you know, kind of issuing orders. This is a decentralized system.

1115
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:31,679
Burnham talking about, you know, managerialism, understood that this is

1116
01:05:31,679 --> 01:05:37,880
a complicated, intertwined network of people pulling the same direction

1117
01:05:38,679 --> 01:05:41,360
and things can be changed, of course, like that's the

1118
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:44,440
project we were engaged in. But you know, if you're

1119
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:47,360
waiting for, you know, the one time where you just

1120
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:49,639
have to, you know, do something dramatic like the j

1121
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:53,280
Sixers thought that you get it all done. I'm sorry,

1122
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:56,119
it's not how it works. And do I think that

1123
01:05:56,159 --> 01:05:58,639
the JA sixers should have been imprisoned? No, I don't,

1124
01:05:59,199 --> 01:06:03,719
but that same foolish I guess you could say inclination

1125
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:08,360
is all too common, even among people who consider themselves

1126
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:12,239
like better than or superior to, you know, the JA sixers.

1127
01:06:12,639 --> 01:06:15,840
And yeah, I think that that's a it's another form

1128
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:19,559
of kind of loser's mentality. So we've been discussing, all.

1129
01:06:19,519 --> 01:06:21,239
Speaker 2: Right, Jay, tell everybody where they can find you.

1130
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:25,199
Speaker 3: Yeah. So my normal output is the Jay Burden Show.

1131
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:28,840
You can find that Apple, Spotify, YouTube, anywhere you listen

1132
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:33,800
to podcasts. Format is get an hour long interview five

1133
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:37,000
days a week, a lot of content, a lot of

1134
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:39,719
the same guys you'll be familiar with from Pete's show.

1135
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:42,800
Uh just recently had Jeff dist on episode should be

1136
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:45,159
out about the same time this is. So if you're interested,

1137
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:49,920
check it out wherever you listen to podcasts, and make.

1138
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:53,119
Speaker 1: Sure to go over and support Jay's work. He's done

1139
01:06:53,119 --> 01:06:56,599
amazing work. I I jump, I support Jay, and I

1140
01:06:56,679 --> 01:06:59,159
jump all over a new episode when it comes out.

1141
01:06:59,199 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 2: I was halfway through the Jeff Dice.

1142
01:07:00,719 --> 01:07:04,519
Speaker 1: Episode when uh, when we right as we were starting

1143
01:07:04,519 --> 01:07:05,079
to connect.

1144
01:07:05,159 --> 01:07:08,519
Speaker 2: So yeah, no, I appreciate it. Jane, thank you very much,

1145
01:07:08,559 --> 01:07:09,800
and uh, we'll talk against

1146
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:13,440
Speaker 3: H.