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<v Speaker 1>Another Roberty Callahan's story of historic Indian trails told the

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<v Speaker 1>old copper. Yeah, this is the old trapper saying, how

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<v Speaker 1>cold are way down in the river bottoms near the

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<v Speaker 1>coast of South Carolina. You know, me and Nancy had

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<v Speaker 1>been invited to make camp down here in one of.

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<v Speaker 2>The old Indian vales of this state.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, you know, folks forest Sumpters, where the forest shot

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<v Speaker 1>of the Civil War was fired. And a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>folks don't think so well of that part of the country.

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<v Speaker 1>But a lot of things have happened in South Carolina

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<v Speaker 1>since that day. A lot of fine people down here.

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<v Speaker 1>Cotton mills and baked Bagnoldia tree, he's covered with silver mars. God,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a great country to be And you know we

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<v Speaker 1>like it down here, don't we, Nancy? Yeah, And we're

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<v Speaker 1>out in the heat of a big man to treat

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<v Speaker 1>right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Uncle Luke, one of your fans is a little

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<v Speaker 3>boy who lives near Charleston, South Carolina, and he's written

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<v Speaker 3>two letters. You wanted to know if there's any difference

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<v Speaker 3>between a Hogan, teepee or wigwam.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know why I thought most of the boys

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<v Speaker 1>and girls knew that.

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<v Speaker 4>But this little fellow says his eyes were bad. For

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<v Speaker 4>four years he wasn't allowed to read, but read better

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<v Speaker 4>now he said, he's studying about Indians.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, now, in that case, Nancy, I guess better tell

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<v Speaker 1>the story. Now, how about your broadcast connections? You got

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<v Speaker 1>all things fixed up around there?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, yes, you're already on the air. Well, that's fine, now,

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<v Speaker 4>Uncle Luke. What is meant by wigwam?

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<v Speaker 2>Will?

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<v Speaker 1>A wigwam is a home such as the Indians of

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<v Speaker 1>the Atlantic Coast live.

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<v Speaker 5>Then about two three hundred years ago, how did they

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<v Speaker 5>build a wig brama those things?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, they made the framework with upright poles and then

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<v Speaker 1>then twining them with the bark and skin, and then

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<v Speaker 1>they covered the outside walls with sheets of bark or

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<v Speaker 1>thick brusher leaves. The roof, of course, was made in

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<v Speaker 1>the same manner.

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<v Speaker 5>What tip of Indians used wig wama, Well, the Delaware

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<v Speaker 5>Iroquois and the Mohawks.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, many tribes used the wigwam.

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<v Speaker 1>Suppose we have no kona do a mohawk chant for

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<v Speaker 1>that little boy who is reading about Indians.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, that would be fine. I hope he's listen.

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<v Speaker 2>No more kayakanah.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, that was a good chance. Now to look what

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<v Speaker 4>about the tp How was it made? How big, how little?

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<v Speaker 3>How long? Round or square? How?

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<v Speaker 4>You know everything?

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<v Speaker 1>Way, Nancy, the tpee is quite different to the wigwam.

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<v Speaker 1>The tepee was made with about sixteen upright poles forming

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen to twenty foot base, and they came to a

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<v Speaker 1>point about fifteen to thirty feet high, depending on the

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<v Speaker 1>course of the size of the tepee. Now, the outside

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<v Speaker 1>walls were made out of buffalo deer of baskin in hereadays.

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<v Speaker 1>But when white settlers fighting the wild game away, tepees

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<v Speaker 1>were made out of army cloth.

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<v Speaker 2>Are heavy brown duck what Indians?

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<v Speaker 4>Who's the tepees?

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<v Speaker 3>Uncle up?

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<v Speaker 2>Why?

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<v Speaker 1>Those living on the western plains mostly Omaha Parker black

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<v Speaker 1>Feet to Sioux Cheyenne and Walla Walla.

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<v Speaker 4>Would the Indians leave the village from going on a

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<v Speaker 4>long hunt?

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<v Speaker 2>No, not at all.

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<v Speaker 1>The walls of the teepee were taken down and rolled

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<v Speaker 1>into a bunnel. The poles were put into two bunnels.

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<v Speaker 1>One bunnle stepped to each side of a pony, and

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<v Speaker 1>the skin covering rolled up and put astride the ponies

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<v Speaker 1>back like a shadow. Now, in this way the Western

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<v Speaker 1>Indian could move from place to place and set up

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<v Speaker 1>his house wherever might might find him.

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<v Speaker 4>Could nakonadi was too chance for the children.

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<v Speaker 1>Listening in Why of course, sir Waste Lila Kaste no

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<v Speaker 1>called carsinella like kapa.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh I like that champ.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, how about the.

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<v Speaker 1>Many of a pueblo well piare Blow were constructed about

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<v Speaker 1>four hundred years ago in what is now New Mexico

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<v Speaker 1>and Arizona. Matter of fact, go back longer than that.

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<v Speaker 1>The buildings are two, three, four, and some five stories high.

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<v Speaker 1>The roof of the first floor provides a port for

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<v Speaker 1>the second floor, the roof of the second piare Blow

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<v Speaker 1>forms a sleeping port for the third floor, and likewise clearing.

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<v Speaker 2>Up to the top.

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<v Speaker 4>What were the preblos constructed of.

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<v Speaker 2>Adobe and framework.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes they all were two feet thick, Nancy, And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>ladders led from short doors and up beside odd windows

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<v Speaker 1>in every story, and the top story was always set

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<v Speaker 1>back to form a wide, open hard clothes porch for

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<v Speaker 1>the house below. And you know, Nancy, some of the

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<v Speaker 1>piablos were around one hundred and fifty to two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>feet wide, and some of them a hundred feet and

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<v Speaker 1>death but what are the principal.

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<v Speaker 4>Tribes living in Pueblo, Well, coach.

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<v Speaker 1>The Tea, Santa Clara, Santo Mingo, Taos Zuni, and San Juan.

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<v Speaker 1>Most important paces, of course the saner Fonso and good

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<v Speaker 1>many other little towns over there, but they all are

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<v Speaker 1>associated with the Piablo tribe. Would you like to have

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<v Speaker 1>no kna do a Piablo chant for the children?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 4>I feel sure the listeners would enjoy.

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<v Speaker 1>One walk imyko cosnake o'connee f k four.

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<v Speaker 6>Stop?

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<v Speaker 3>That would love?

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<v Speaker 4>Now we explained the holk on uncle.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and then the hogan was the original home of

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<v Speaker 2>the Navajole.

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<v Speaker 1>It was made like a large vhire, the frame being

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<v Speaker 1>made of upright poles and trying for the grass and mark.

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<v Speaker 1>The roof was a framework covered with grass and a clay.

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<v Speaker 2>About the foot thick.

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<v Speaker 1>It always shed rings, and the floors were very hard

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<v Speaker 1>out of clay, and it made the Navajos house very

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<v Speaker 1>cool in summer and of course very warm in winter.

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<v Speaker 2>The Navajos are still about the most.

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<v Speaker 1>Evasive Indians in the large existing tribe.

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<v Speaker 4>Does na coon and have to sing a Navajo chant?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Yes, sir.

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<v Speaker 1>As a matter of fact, I think he might sing

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<v Speaker 1>the ybachi for you you are to hey fock sneel apart.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, pers purson.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh ooh, why that's the most unusual Indian shanna I've

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<v Speaker 3>ever heard.

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<v Speaker 4>I imagine it would be spiteful at night, especially with

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<v Speaker 4>no one around.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that was a v chin and say a very

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<v Speaker 2>sacred song of the Navajos.

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<v Speaker 4>Tell me, Uncle Luke. Did any of the old Indians

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<v Speaker 4>ever live.

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<v Speaker 3>In grass houses?

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<v Speaker 2>Yep?

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<v Speaker 1>The early Indians is what is now on the state

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<v Speaker 1>of Kansas and our way made grasshouses that looked like

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<v Speaker 1>a modern haystack. The thick wall was made out of

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<v Speaker 1>grass and dirt, and the wall and roof were so

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<v Speaker 1>closely woven together that the house made a perfect water share.

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<v Speaker 4>What kind of Indians were in old California?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, there were several tribes and turlock, Modoch, Merced, Santa

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<v Speaker 1>Clara mission, and Mohoves.

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<v Speaker 4>What kind of houses did they build?

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<v Speaker 1>A large bee heave tie made out of mud and

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<v Speaker 1>grass are wild keene?

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<v Speaker 2>The only opening was at the top of the building.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh well, how did they get in and out of

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<v Speaker 4>the house?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, they made ladders out of dead limbs and slung

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<v Speaker 1>them from the base to the opening and the roof,

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<v Speaker 1>and each night lifted the letters up so no one

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<v Speaker 1>could get out.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I guess our little boyfriend who wrote that letter

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<v Speaker 4>can now understand there's quite a difference in the TP Pueblo, Poka,

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<v Speaker 4>nor wig bon yep.

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<v Speaker 1>And he ought to know that the Indians was their

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<v Speaker 1>first architect of American Nancy, first to design the apartment house.

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<v Speaker 4>Why the young the Indians didn't have apartment houses in

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<v Speaker 4>those days? Did the uncle up?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, All you've got to do is visit Twas, New Mexico.

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<v Speaker 1>There you will see a six story building about two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred feet long. And if you go back into those

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<v Speaker 1>ancient villages like Twas, you'll soon find that the history

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<v Speaker 1>of those Indians go way back beyond American civilization.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, what will your next joy be about, Uncle Luke?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I just about to say our camp for I

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<v Speaker 1>was going damn Nancy, And you know we got to

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<v Speaker 1>have a meeting over there pretty soon, they expecting us

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<v Speaker 1>to be their guests. But one of these days I

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<v Speaker 1>will talk about the Pocahontas, the Indian canoe, cheap black Hawk.

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<v Speaker 2>And Oceola. But now it's about time.

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<v Speaker 1>For the old Trapper to offer you a pipe of

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<v Speaker 1>peace and say Yoho, how cooler?

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<v Speaker 2>Yo ho yo ho,