Speaker 1: Another Roberty Callahan's story of historic Indian trails told the
Speaker 1: old copper. Yeah, this is the old trapper saying, how
Speaker 1: cold are way down in the river bottoms near the
Speaker 1: coast of South Carolina. You know, me and Nancy had
Speaker 1: been invited to make camp down here in one of.
Speaker 2: The old Indian vales of this state.
Speaker 1: Now, you know, folks forest Sumpters, where the forest shot
Speaker 1: of the Civil War was fired. And a lot of
Speaker 1: folks don't think so well of that part of the country.
Speaker 1: But a lot of things have happened in South Carolina
Speaker 1: since that day. A lot of fine people down here.
Speaker 1: Cotton mills and baked Bagnoldia tree, he's covered with silver mars. God,
Speaker 1: it's a great country to be And you know we
Speaker 1: like it down here, don't we, Nancy? Yeah, And we're
Speaker 1: out in the heat of a big man to treat
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 3: Well, Uncle Luke, one of your fans is a little
Speaker 3: boy who lives near Charleston, South Carolina, and he's written
Speaker 3: two letters. You wanted to know if there's any difference
Speaker 3: between a Hogan, teepee or wigwam.
Speaker 1: Well, you know why I thought most of the boys
Speaker 1: and girls knew that.
Speaker 4: But this little fellow says his eyes were bad. For
Speaker 4: four years he wasn't allowed to read, but read better
Speaker 4: now he said, he's studying about Indians.
Speaker 1: Well, now, in that case, Nancy, I guess better tell
Speaker 1: the story. Now, how about your broadcast connections? You got
Speaker 1: all things fixed up around there?
Speaker 4: Oh, yes, you're already on the air. Well, that's fine, now,
Speaker 4: Uncle Luke. What is meant by wigwam?
Speaker 2: Will?
Speaker 1: A wigwam is a home such as the Indians of
Speaker 1: the Atlantic Coast live.
Speaker 5: Then about two three hundred years ago, how did they
Speaker 5: build a wig brama those things?
Speaker 1: Well, they made the framework with upright poles and then
Speaker 1: then twining them with the bark and skin, and then
Speaker 1: they covered the outside walls with sheets of bark or
Speaker 1: thick brusher leaves. The roof, of course, was made in
Speaker 1: the same manner.
Speaker 5: What tip of Indians used wig wama, Well, the Delaware
Speaker 5: Iroquois and the Mohawks.
Speaker 2: In fact, many tribes used the wigwam.
Speaker 1: Suppose we have no kona do a mohawk chant for
Speaker 1: that little boy who is reading about Indians.
Speaker 4: Oh, that would be fine. I hope he's listen.
Speaker 2: No more kayakanah.
Speaker 4: Oh, that was a good chance. Now to look what
Speaker 4: about the tp How was it made? How big, how little?
Speaker 3: How long? Round or square? How?
Speaker 4: You know everything?
Speaker 1: Way, Nancy, the tpee is quite different to the wigwam.
Speaker 1: The tepee was made with about sixteen upright poles forming
Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty foot base, and they came to a
Speaker 1: point about fifteen to thirty feet high, depending on the
Speaker 1: course of the size of the tepee. Now, the outside
Speaker 1: walls were made out of buffalo deer of baskin in hereadays.
Speaker 1: But when white settlers fighting the wild game away, tepees
Speaker 1: were made out of army cloth.
Speaker 2: Are heavy brown duck what Indians?
Speaker 4: Who's the tepees?
Speaker 3: Uncle up?
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 1: Those living on the western plains mostly Omaha Parker black
Speaker 1: Feet to Sioux Cheyenne and Walla Walla.
Speaker 4: Would the Indians leave the village from going on a
Speaker 4: long hunt?
Speaker 2: No, not at all.
Speaker 1: The walls of the teepee were taken down and rolled
Speaker 1: into a bunnel. The poles were put into two bunnels.
Speaker 1: One bunnle stepped to each side of a pony, and
Speaker 1: the skin covering rolled up and put astride the ponies
Speaker 1: back like a shadow. Now, in this way the Western
Speaker 1: Indian could move from place to place and set up
Speaker 1: his house wherever might might find him.
Speaker 4: Could nakonadi was too chance for the children.
Speaker 1: Listening in Why of course, sir Waste Lila Kaste no
Speaker 1: called carsinella like kapa.
Speaker 3: Oh I like that champ.
Speaker 4: Now, how about the.
Speaker 1: Many of a pueblo well piare Blow were constructed about
Speaker 1: four hundred years ago in what is now New Mexico
Speaker 1: and Arizona. Matter of fact, go back longer than that.
Speaker 1: The buildings are two, three, four, and some five stories high.
Speaker 1: The roof of the first floor provides a port for
Speaker 1: the second floor, the roof of the second piare Blow
Speaker 1: forms a sleeping port for the third floor, and likewise clearing.
Speaker 2: Up to the top.
Speaker 4: What were the preblos constructed of.
Speaker 2: Adobe and framework.
Speaker 1: Sometimes they all were two feet thick, Nancy, And you know,
Speaker 1: ladders led from short doors and up beside odd windows
Speaker 1: in every story, and the top story was always set
Speaker 1: back to form a wide, open hard clothes porch for
Speaker 1: the house below. And you know, Nancy, some of the
Speaker 1: piablos were around one hundred and fifty to two hundred
Speaker 1: feet wide, and some of them a hundred feet and
Speaker 1: death but what are the principal.
Speaker 4: Tribes living in Pueblo, Well, coach.
Speaker 1: The Tea, Santa Clara, Santo Mingo, Taos Zuni, and San Juan.
Speaker 1: Most important paces, of course the saner Fonso and good
Speaker 1: many other little towns over there, but they all are
Speaker 1: associated with the Piablo tribe. Would you like to have
Speaker 1: no kna do a Piablo chant for the children?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 4: I feel sure the listeners would enjoy.
Speaker 1: One walk imyko cosnake o'connee f k four.
Speaker 6: Stop?
Speaker 3: That would love?
Speaker 4: Now we explained the holk on uncle.
Speaker 2: Well, and then the hogan was the original home of
Speaker 2: the Navajole.
Speaker 1: It was made like a large vhire, the frame being
Speaker 1: made of upright poles and trying for the grass and mark.
Speaker 1: The roof was a framework covered with grass and a clay.
Speaker 2: About the foot thick.
Speaker 1: It always shed rings, and the floors were very hard
Speaker 1: out of clay, and it made the Navajos house very
Speaker 1: cool in summer and of course very warm in winter.
Speaker 2: The Navajos are still about the most.
Speaker 1: Evasive Indians in the large existing tribe.
Speaker 4: Does na coon and have to sing a Navajo chant?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, sir.
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, I think he might sing
Speaker 1: the ybachi for you you are to hey fock sneel apart.
Speaker 6: Yes, pers purson.
Speaker 3: Oh ooh, why that's the most unusual Indian shanna I've
Speaker 3: ever heard.
Speaker 4: I imagine it would be spiteful at night, especially with
Speaker 4: no one around.
Speaker 2: Oh that was a v chin and say a very
Speaker 2: sacred song of the Navajos.
Speaker 4: Tell me, Uncle Luke. Did any of the old Indians
Speaker 4: ever live.
Speaker 3: In grass houses?
Speaker 2: Yep?
Speaker 1: The early Indians is what is now on the state
Speaker 1: of Kansas and our way made grasshouses that looked like
Speaker 1: a modern haystack. The thick wall was made out of
Speaker 1: grass and dirt, and the wall and roof were so
Speaker 1: closely woven together that the house made a perfect water share.
Speaker 4: What kind of Indians were in old California?
Speaker 1: Well, there were several tribes and turlock, Modoch, Merced, Santa
Speaker 1: Clara mission, and Mohoves.
Speaker 4: What kind of houses did they build?
Speaker 1: A large bee heave tie made out of mud and
Speaker 1: grass are wild keene?
Speaker 2: The only opening was at the top of the building.
Speaker 4: Oh well, how did they get in and out of
Speaker 4: the house?
Speaker 1: Well, they made ladders out of dead limbs and slung
Speaker 1: them from the base to the opening and the roof,
Speaker 1: and each night lifted the letters up so no one
Speaker 1: could get out.
Speaker 4: Well, I guess our little boyfriend who wrote that letter
Speaker 4: can now understand there's quite a difference in the TP Pueblo, Poka,
Speaker 4: nor wig bon yep.
Speaker 1: And he ought to know that the Indians was their
Speaker 1: first architect of American Nancy, first to design the apartment house.
Speaker 4: Why the young the Indians didn't have apartment houses in
Speaker 4: those days? Did the uncle up?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yes, All you've got to do is visit Twas, New Mexico.
Speaker 1: There you will see a six story building about two
Speaker 1: hundred feet long. And if you go back into those
Speaker 1: ancient villages like Twas, you'll soon find that the history
Speaker 1: of those Indians go way back beyond American civilization.
Speaker 4: Well, what will your next joy be about, Uncle Luke?
Speaker 1: Well, I just about to say our camp for I
Speaker 1: was going damn Nancy, And you know we got to
Speaker 1: have a meeting over there pretty soon, they expecting us
Speaker 1: to be their guests. But one of these days I
Speaker 1: will talk about the Pocahontas, the Indian canoe, cheap black Hawk.
Speaker 2: And Oceola. But now it's about time.
Speaker 1: For the old Trapper to offer you a pipe of
Speaker 1: peace and say Yoho, how cooler?
Speaker 2: Yo ho yo ho,