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Speaker 3: name is Josh and he's joining us from California. Josh,
Speaker 3: how are you today.
Speaker 4: Sir, Oh, I'm doing great, George, thanks for having me.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for coming on again. We had
Speaker 3: a little bit of a conversation beforehand, but before we
Speaker 3: dive into the topics at hand, please do take a
Speaker 3: few moments and introduce yourself to the audience.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so, as you said, my name is Josh. I
Speaker 4: live in Orange County, California. I didn't grow up here.
Speaker 4: I grew up in a small rural town in Indiana,
Speaker 4: so very conservative upbringing. Was raised Christian thankfully by my parents.
Speaker 4: But it's been a journey, you know, like a lot
Speaker 4: of people, for me to kind of iron my faith
Speaker 4: out over the years. And I really started when I
Speaker 4: was a young adult. My parents divorced kind of kind
Speaker 4: of suddenly, and long story short, I ended up in Hawaii,
Speaker 4: lived there for about ten years, and then made my
Speaker 4: way here to California. But along the way, it's, like
Speaker 4: I said, it's been a journey, and you know, it
Speaker 4: started with just discovering a lot of these truths along
Speaker 4: the way of the Bible, because I feel like just
Speaker 4: getting into the Bible and kind of comparing it and
Speaker 4: contrasting it to other religions is really important. And so
Speaker 4: you know, I can share more about that as we
Speaker 4: go on, but that's kind of the short end of
Speaker 4: my story. And here we are today.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And speaking of Hawaii, we were kind of reminiscing
Speaker 3: about our time there. You were then, you were there
Speaker 3: for ten years. I was there for three, and anyone
Speaker 3: who has been there before for especially if you're not
Speaker 3: used to the kind of a year round weather of
Speaker 3: that you know, near the equator, it is different. Like
Speaker 3: we were talking about having Christmas and shorts and a
Speaker 3: T shirt. But I would never trade that experience for
Speaker 3: the life of me, going on the north shore and
Speaker 3: seeing the waves, or even simple things like I think
Speaker 3: what was that mall called the Pearl Ridge Mall? And
Speaker 3: there was a little trolley that would take you from
Speaker 3: one side to the other and you could see the
Speaker 3: Arizona Memorial from there. It is just, you know, we
Speaker 3: talk about God's beauty and I'm so glad. I took
Speaker 3: so many pictures, not just on the ground. I was
Speaker 3: actually in an aviation unit on Wheeler Army Airfield, so
Speaker 3: I was able to get some pictures like above the
Speaker 3: Lowha Stadium and things like that. Just a diamond head,
Speaker 3: just amazing experience. But when the time was up, I
Speaker 3: was ready to go. What was your experience like there?
Speaker 4: Oh? Man, you know, it was great. I loved it.
Speaker 4: You know, the people especially were amazing. You know, they
Speaker 4: call it the spirit of Aloha.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: People really do value family and friendships out there.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's how deep it is into
Speaker 4: the culture, or if it's the fact that you're on
Speaker 4: a small little island and there's only so many people.
Speaker 4: But it had a lot of ups and downs. When
Speaker 4: my parents divorced, my dad moved out there and that
Speaker 4: was how I ended there. He had this idea to
Speaker 4: start a live streaming company way back in two thousand
Speaker 4: and two, two thousand and three, pre YouTube for weddings
Speaker 4: because he would notice that all these people would be
Speaker 4: getting married on the beach and you know, no one
Speaker 4: was there except maybe a photographer. And he kind of
Speaker 4: given me this idea to say, Hey, you know, I
Speaker 4: really what do you think about this idea of streaming
Speaker 4: weddings over the internet. I was like, a cool idea.
Speaker 4: But at the time, as I said, I was in
Speaker 4: Indiana and one morning I got on my knees and
Speaker 4: I prayed. I said, God, if you want me to
Speaker 4: do something different with my life, show me, just show me.
Speaker 4: Because I was working at kind of a dead end
Speaker 4: job and didn't really enjoy it. And that day at
Speaker 4: my job they told me that I was being let
Speaker 4: go and it was like, whoa, Okay, that's a sign
Speaker 4: from God. And funny enough, that afternoon I went and
Speaker 4: played some golf, played the best round of golf of
Speaker 4: my life before since, and I said, God, are you
Speaker 4: wanting me to be a professional golfer? Is that the
Speaker 4: sign you're showing me? Well, the next time I went golfing,
Speaker 4: it was clear that that wasn't the sign. It was
Speaker 4: just a one set of a million rounds of golf.
Speaker 4: But I ended up there and it was tough. We
Speaker 4: had this business together for five years and I had
Speaker 4: to work a part time job at a restaurant to
Speaker 4: make its meet. And you know, unfortunately my father passed
Speaker 4: away in two thousand and nine. But however, at that
Speaker 4: point I was ready to start on my own and
Speaker 4: so I started my own company, and you know, it
Speaker 4: was successful. It took off and kind of catapult to
Speaker 4: me to where I said, you know, I'm ready to
Speaker 4: move and to move to California. So, you know, a
Speaker 4: lot of memories in Hawaii, beautiful place, beautiful people that
Speaker 4: I still keep in touch with and still visit often.
Speaker 3: You know, Josh, this is maybe a different type of parallel,
Speaker 3: But I get so many emails from people from the
Speaker 3: from around the world who are maybe locked into a
Speaker 3: job that they're not happy with. But they've been there
Speaker 3: for a long time and they're in the matrix, but
Speaker 3: they're unhappy and they spend many of their years unhappy
Speaker 3: doing what they do. Right, what I've gotten letters from
Speaker 3: folks who are letter carriers, work for Amazon and it
Speaker 3: pays the bills, but they tell me that they're not happy.
Speaker 3: What would you say to folks for someone who sounds
Speaker 3: for you know, someone who sounds like you've been self
Speaker 3: and pla Lloyd for some time. What is it like
Speaker 3: to take a chance on yourself that they're you know,
Speaker 3: obviously everything depends on your actions, the negatives and the
Speaker 3: positives of just taking a risk, you know, placing a
Speaker 3: bet on yourself and going into business for yourself.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, like you said, it is tough. It
Speaker 4: has its ups and downs for me at least, But
Speaker 4: I always never felt like I wanted to be in
Speaker 4: a position where I spent my whole life doing something
Speaker 4: that I didn't enjoy, that I didn't love. You know,
Speaker 4: you spend at least a third of your life working,
Speaker 4: and so to me, it never made sense. And I
Speaker 4: have plenty of other failed ventures that I had attempted
Speaker 4: before this, So this wasn't my first foray into entrepreneurship,
Speaker 4: and so you know, there was a lot of self
Speaker 4: doubt at times. As I said, working at a restaurant
Speaker 4: for several years to just try to make it to
Speaker 4: this full time status. I honestly never knew that if
Speaker 4: I would even make it. And so, you know, I
Speaker 4: think for a lot of people, you know, a lot
Speaker 4: of people really enjoy that nine to five. They enjoy
Speaker 4: that security and they value that even if they don't
Speaker 4: necessarily love the job. So, you know, to each their
Speaker 4: own in that aspect, I suppose. But if you're somebody
Speaker 4: that you know you're you're really contemplating, you know, should
Speaker 4: I take that chance? You know, I don't enjoy this job.
Speaker 4: I don't feel the joy in my life that piece. Man,
Speaker 4: do it. Just do it, even if it means sacrificing,
Speaker 4: you know, the time off that you have away outside
Speaker 4: of your normal job to build it. You know, the
Speaker 4: life that I've been able to live up to this
Speaker 4: point has been amazing, you know, being able to travel
Speaker 4: a lot, being able to spend time with my family.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't trade that for the world.
Speaker 3: Hey man, thanks for sharing that, because I think that
Speaker 3: is important. There's a lot of people who are kind
Speaker 3: of stuck in the matrix, who have plans. I think
Speaker 3: they're just a little afraid to take that leap. And obviously,
Speaker 3: in the world we live in, that is all over
Speaker 3: the place. I mean, you look at the stock market,
Speaker 3: it's up a thousand today, down a thousand tomorrow. We
Speaker 3: were we went to Lowe's to pick up some lumber
Speaker 3: for the Homestead today and we passed to Dunkin Donuts
Speaker 3: and now starting at eighteen dollars an hour, I mean,
Speaker 3: tell me your economy's jacked up without telling me your
Speaker 3: economy's jacked up, I mean, that is just absurd. But
Speaker 3: let's kind of get into your road to the truth
Speaker 3: and we will get to flat earth. But you mentioned
Speaker 3: your email. High school really started your critical thinking and
Speaker 3: JFK and a certain film about the Federal Reserve. Why
Speaker 3: don't you tell us your journey to the truth.
Speaker 4: Yeah, when I was in high school, I saw the
Speaker 4: movie JFK. B Oliverstone, Kevin Costner in that, and I
Speaker 4: had to do a book report on it. I don't
Speaker 4: remember what year. It might have been a sophomore or
Speaker 4: but I ended up watching the film like five or
Speaker 4: six times, I remember, and you know, at the end
Speaker 4: of it, I still didn't quite fully believe what the
Speaker 4: movie was trying to tell me. You know that you know,
Speaker 4: obviously there was more than just one shooter, but exactly
Speaker 4: what was going on, you know, you never really knew.
Speaker 4: Even there was a seinfod episode, which I don't know
Speaker 4: if you're a sign if you watch Seinfeld, but the
Speaker 4: famous magic bullet, right, the Magic Blugie, the magic bullet.
Speaker 4: That even was something that was around the same time
Speaker 4: when I was in high school when that came out,
Speaker 4: and so that was just something. It didn't fully like
Speaker 4: awaken me or trigger anything in me as much as
Speaker 4: probably started that journey of wonder, that journey of question everything.
Speaker 4: I think. I like to describe myself as a nonconformist.
Speaker 4: I tend to see what everybody's doing and kind of think, Okay,
Speaker 4: if everyone's doing that, I'm probably gonna do something else.
Speaker 4: If everyone is following this, especially in the worldly sense,
Speaker 4: then that's probably not the right thing. So that was
Speaker 4: the beginning. And then when I was about twenty two
Speaker 4: to twenty three, my buddy Mike, my old roommate in Indianapolis.
Speaker 4: Shout out to Mike. He got me to watch this
Speaker 4: movie called The Money Masters, and that was the first
Speaker 4: mind blowing film I had ever seen, and for anyone
Speaker 4: who's never seen it, essentially it's the history of money
Speaker 4: and it talks about basically from the sixteen to seventeen
Speaker 4: hundreds to the Federal Reserve, talked about when the fall
Speaker 4: of Napoleon and how certain people were able to profit
Speaker 4: literally basically a third of the world's wealth, and one
Speaker 4: day by reporting false news that he had won the
Speaker 4: Battle of Waterloo, et cetera. And when I realized that
Speaker 4: the I Don't Reserve was not a federal institution but
Speaker 4: a private bank that prints money on interest to our
Speaker 4: own government, yep, I could not believe it. It just
Speaker 4: blew my mind and it really kind of angered me,
Speaker 4: to be honest, I was angry, and I ended up
Speaker 4: just sharing this with everybody, all my friends. People are like, Wow,
Speaker 4: what's gotten into you? Like this was a different side
Speaker 4: of me that people had never seen. But that was
Speaker 4: the first time that I'd really awoken to some of
Speaker 4: the things that were really going on in the world.
Speaker 3: You know, you just mentioned everything so good. I saw
Speaker 3: that movie The Money Masters about four or five years ago,
Speaker 3: and I think it was right after I read.
Speaker 4: G.
Speaker 3: Edward Griffin's The Jacky Lyland Book. And then most people,
Speaker 3: truly to this day, have no idea how fiat currency works.
Speaker 3: That the Federal Reserve is neither federal or a reserve
Speaker 3: federal express exactly. And one of the funniest things always
Speaker 3: laughed at because we're taught to believe that some of
Speaker 3: the greatest people in our history are the presidents. And
Speaker 3: then you get into freemasonry and you say, wow, all
Speaker 3: these people were freemasons, so could they really be good presidents?
Speaker 3: And yeah, you were told. Lincoln said that, you know,
Speaker 3: the birth of freedom is for the people, by the people,
Speaker 3: for the people. And you know, and we're literally the
Speaker 3: last in line when it comes to the prosperity of
Speaker 3: this country. And I'm taking this full backs to the
Speaker 3: point that the bankers are the one who prosper off
Speaker 3: are suffering when we have a tough day. We don't
Speaker 3: get bailed out when the banks collapse because they made
Speaker 3: all these horrible By the way, go watch that movie
Speaker 3: The Big Short. It'll explain that perfectly to you. And
Speaker 3: how these corrupt people they were given anyone mortgages back then,
Speaker 3: and then the adjustable the arm mortgages, and just how
Speaker 3: irresponsible they are because they know, just like the auto industry,
Speaker 3: they're too big to be allowed to collapse. Did certain
Speaker 3: entities kind of yeah sure, and the dot com bubbles
Speaker 3: did certain entities, yeah sure, But it's a small part
Speaker 3: of it. And they know that we the people are
Speaker 3: going to bail them out. And in a country that
Speaker 3: is supposed to be based on a government of the people,
Speaker 3: by the people, for the people, the exact opposite would happen.
Speaker 3: That's my thinking.
Speaker 4: What do you think, absolutely absolutely? I mean the phrase
Speaker 4: taxation is theft, right, It really is illegal, yep. And
Speaker 4: it was told to be that it was going to
Speaker 4: be a temporary tax in the early nineteen hundreds, and
Speaker 4: here we are today still paying it. I think it's
Speaker 4: I think it's here to stay, right. I don't think
Speaker 4: it's temporary. And if you really think about it, you know,
Speaker 4: all it is is us give us the people, giving
Speaker 4: money to people who spend our own money on things
Speaker 4: that they shouldn't be spending it on, you know. And
Speaker 4: I think if I was a loan or give my
Speaker 4: money to my neighbor and then I saw him spending
Speaker 4: on extravagance or spending on any you know, what would
Speaker 4: be considered a waste, I would be very upset. But
Speaker 4: because we sort of give it almost into the ether
Speaker 4: where we don't really see where it goes. We just
Speaker 4: give it and then it's thrown into the pile, I
Speaker 4: think we sort of dismiss it and don't really value
Speaker 4: it as much as we should, as if it was
Speaker 4: our own money, and so you know, I think it's
Speaker 4: something we really got to fight for. Hold our government
Speaker 4: accountable for as much as we can. You know, I'm
Speaker 4: here in California and the amount of money that's wasted
Speaker 4: on the state level is so ridiculu us every single year.
Speaker 4: But because you have a super majority, there's nothing ever
Speaker 4: gets done, and so you know, it gets depressing at times,
Speaker 4: but I think to do nothing is worse, and so
Speaker 4: we just continue to bring awareness to it as much
Speaker 4: as we can.
Speaker 3: You know, And that's something I talk about often as accountability,
Speaker 3: and it shocks me sometimes how we just accept these things.
Speaker 3: And you know, people say, well, you know, I went that.
Speaker 3: They'll go and tweet something or they'll go post something
Speaker 3: on Facebook, and that's considered you know, rising up, and
Speaker 3: that's that's not rising up at all. And that's why
Speaker 3: always say you have to start local. You have to
Speaker 3: find like minded people in your neighborhood. I think these
Speaker 3: type of conversations that we're having. We have our little
Speaker 3: uh you know, town hall every week here on this
Speaker 3: podcast with different folks from around the world. But it's
Speaker 3: very important that you make changes locally, and that is
Speaker 3: putting your feet on the ground and talking to your
Speaker 3: local elected officials, because you're not going to have a
Speaker 3: sit down with Donald Trump. You're not going to have
Speaker 3: a sit down with the chairman of the Federal Reserve.
Speaker 3: The true escape is to find like minded people, and
Speaker 3: that includes, you know, people with morals, people who fear God,
Speaker 3: people who follow Christ, who want to make changes, who
Speaker 3: understand that we are told for thirteen years that this
Speaker 3: is always a tough thing for me to broach. But
Speaker 3: and I always tread carefully when I say this. I'm
Speaker 3: not saying that we aren't the greatest nation on the world. However,
Speaker 3: we are probably the most man. I want to say
Speaker 3: this correctly because I don't want to turn people off,
Speaker 3: but the truth about our country is not true. What
Speaker 3: they tell us about this country is not true. We're
Speaker 3: not always the good guys. And when I say us,
Speaker 3: I'm not talking about the people of this country. I'm
Speaker 3: talking about this the small group of people who control
Speaker 3: the government of this country. Do you understand what I'm
Speaker 3: trying to say?
Speaker 4: Absolutely?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think that's that's the right way to say it.
Speaker 4: It's the same with any country. When you talk about them, right,
Speaker 4: you don't support the I don't personally support certain governments.
Speaker 4: I'll support the people who are just like me, who
Speaker 4: seek freedom, who seek peace and prosperity, et cetera. But yeah,
Speaker 4: the United States, and honestly, like my perspective has changed
Speaker 4: so much over the years. You know, I was raised Republican,
Speaker 4: and Republicans were the good guys and Democrats were evil.
Speaker 4: That's but now, you know, I like to say I'm
Speaker 4: conservative by nature in terms of the political spectrum, but
Speaker 4: I am by no means a Republican, you know, especially
Speaker 4: because I know many of these Republicans are you know,
Speaker 4: what you want to call rhinos or whatever you want
Speaker 4: to call them. They don't, you know, actually represent me
Speaker 4: in their actions, and so, you know, being a Christian,
Speaker 4: I think that's the greatest thing is you don't have
Speaker 4: to feel like you have to identify as a Republican.
Speaker 4: Right you may vote Republican because you know, Democrats the
Speaker 4: way that they as a whole govern and their morals
Speaker 4: and principles are way different than mine. So I understand
Speaker 4: why Christians vote Republican. But you know, you know, I
Speaker 4: think that's something that you'll see a lot of is
Speaker 4: where people kind of identify more as like I'm a Republican,
Speaker 4: I'm American versus even if they are Christian as identifying
Speaker 4: as a Christian. And so you know, I think, I
Speaker 4: think in some ways I do have hope for a
Speaker 4: country where I see a lot of people are like, wow,
Speaker 4: the left is so far crazy this direction with a
Speaker 4: lot of their agendas that a lot of people that
Speaker 4: are younger are kind of going back to the other direction.
Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, without Christ, you know,
Speaker 4: none of them.
Speaker 3: And that's that's what we have to be careful. If
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter if it's got an R, if they
Speaker 3: have an R or a D or an I next
Speaker 3: to their name, if they're not based in the morals
Speaker 3: of Christ, then I get tired of here. And well,
Speaker 3: it could have been this person, right, it could have
Speaker 3: been Kamala, It could have been this God doesn't settle
Speaker 3: for anything. There is good and there's evil, and you
Speaker 3: have to choose. And I know people get swept up.
Speaker 3: And you know, we're taught that from a very young age.
Speaker 3: You're either A or B. And me and a friend
Speaker 3: we're having just this conversation. The other day. It was
Speaker 3: my brother in law actually at brunch and he's saying,
Speaker 3: you know, he's complaining about the financial decisions that Trump
Speaker 3: has been making. And his buddy's like, oh, so you're
Speaker 3: a lip tard and he's like no. And that is
Speaker 3: exactly how they have people brainwash you're either team AY
Speaker 3: or team B and that intentionally causes the riff among us,
Speaker 3: and that takes the attention off the Federal Reserve and
Speaker 3: the powers that be right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and don't you feel like that's intentional?
Speaker 3: Oh one hundred.
Speaker 4: It's created to keep people at each other in the
Speaker 4: name calling the loved even like me. I'm like, I
Speaker 4: hate when I hear people call other people, you know, names,
Speaker 4: or they say they hate liberals. Ye, no, you don't
Speaker 4: hate people. You're Christian man, Like, you don't hate anybody. Now,
Speaker 4: maybe they do. They might hate you, but that doesn't
Speaker 4: mean you have to hate them, you know. And I've
Speaker 4: even challenged people who are on the left. I remember
Speaker 4: plenty of conversations with people who understand the Federal Reserve.
Speaker 4: They understand what it is, and I'm like, that's who
Speaker 4: that's who we should be going after. That's who we
Speaker 4: should we should really focus on. As these elite people
Speaker 4: up at the top, but it seems like it just
Speaker 4: skims their head for like a half second, and then
Speaker 4: it's right back to all Republicans.
Speaker 3: I don't know what to say, right back and again
Speaker 3: it's it's the system, it's it's the matrix, it's it's
Speaker 3: what they have created. So you know, you go from
Speaker 3: JFK to money Masters, to the FED and the sixteenth Amendment,
Speaker 3: taxes and then the moon landing, right And I'm sure
Speaker 3: at the time you didn't connect day with B but
Speaker 3: what was your reasoning, you know, at this younger age,
Speaker 3: what was your idea of why they faked the moon landing?
Speaker 4: Well, in the moon landing, I have to say that
Speaker 4: I didn't really think that was fake until recently. And
Speaker 4: I should mention one more thing. I don't know if
Speaker 4: I sent this in my email, but this I'll give
Speaker 4: you a good context of my conspiracy thoughts. Was growing
Speaker 4: up in a church, we were shown this movie. I
Speaker 4: must have been ten or eleven, so pretty young, and
Speaker 4: it was about the Rapture. But one of the things
Speaker 4: I talked about was the Mark of the Beast, and
Speaker 4: it talked about one day they're gonna they're gonna make
Speaker 4: everybody take this mark you know, and they had basically
Speaker 4: said it's going to be like a microchip that's going
Speaker 4: to be implanted into your hand or to your forehead.
Speaker 4: So I was ten or eleven. This is thirty something
Speaker 4: years ago. So my whole life I've known and believed
Speaker 4: this was something that was going to happen. And so,
Speaker 4: you know, even after nine to eleven they were putting
Speaker 4: microchips into people. A company called Vera Chip shortly after
Speaker 4: nine to eleven was doing this. So I've always been
Speaker 4: able to point to that as something to people who
Speaker 4: didn't have any idea of conspiracies or any of this
Speaker 4: market of the b stuff, and be like, look at this,
Speaker 4: watch this, this is going to happen. And so that
Speaker 4: was another thing for me that sort of allowed me
Speaker 4: to think. I would say a little differently than most people.
Speaker 4: And I think when you look at things differently or
Speaker 4: with sort of one eye opener, you know, you're sort
Speaker 4: of questioning everything. So but with the moon landing, that
Speaker 4: wasn't something I had honestly really gotten into. I had
Speaker 4: heard that it was possibly fake, but it wasn't until
Speaker 4: I actually studied flat Earth that I was able to
Speaker 4: watch a bunch of stuff including a documentary called American Moon,
Speaker 4: which is kind of hard to find on YouTube that
Speaker 4: you can find it that just goes through all the
Speaker 4: different reasonings why the landing was fake. So that kind
Speaker 4: of was set me up for flat Earth.
Speaker 3: And what was that documentary you saw on YouTube? Again?
Speaker 3: What did you say?
Speaker 4: So it's actually called American Moon and it is hard
Speaker 4: to find because you can imagine YouTube has it buried.
Speaker 4: Interestingly enough, that documentary doesn't believe in the flat Earth.
Speaker 4: So it's actually kind of good in a way. They're
Speaker 4: just using their showing you all the lighting and how
Speaker 4: the lighting doesn't work, and just all the sort of
Speaker 4: the science behind why the moon landing is fake.
Speaker 3: I might have to share this on my Rumble channel.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I've seen this.
Speaker 4: Documentary you maybe you can find it on rumble.
Speaker 3: If it's not, No, I found it on YouTube. It's
Speaker 3: geez almost four hours long.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh you know what's interesting. The very first frame of
Speaker 3: the film says, uh in particular, the so called flat
Speaker 3: earthers are warned against using any of this material in
Speaker 3: their own videos. Any violation will be promptly reported to YouTube. Wow,
Speaker 3: that is interesting to be that you know, passionate about
Speaker 3: the moon landing being fake. At the same time, there's
Speaker 3: absolutely no way any flat Earth is going to use
Speaker 3: one second of my three and a half hour documentary
Speaker 3: to I'm a.
Speaker 4: Venture to guess that that person is not a believer.
Speaker 4: That would be my, my, my. Uh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a that's a great point. That's a great point.
Speaker 3: You know, he's got his contact information here. His name
Speaker 3: is Massamino Mazuko. That name is very familiar. I may
Speaker 3: have seen this before. That name has come up in
Speaker 3: the past before. But that's interesting they'd be so passionate
Speaker 3: about don't use that for a second. So now in retrospect,
Speaker 3: obviously you are aware why they do that, But in
Speaker 3: thinking back, what do you think would like to be
Speaker 3: Neil Armstrong or buzz Aldrin, these guys carrying the weight. Obviously,
Speaker 3: to me from the outside, it seemed that Neil bore
Speaker 3: the most weight of the lie. What are your thoughts
Speaker 3: about that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sure you know. Can you imagine having a
Speaker 4: lie like that for decades on end? You know, I've
Speaker 4: seen clips of him where people have asked him about
Speaker 4: it or asked him to put his hand on the
Speaker 4: Bible and swear that he actually went to the moon,
Speaker 4: and he's actually admitted, quote unquote, oh well we never
Speaker 4: went to the moon. And people are like, ah, but
Speaker 4: I know he's not joking. And I think the reason
Speaker 4: he's saying that is because he wants to unburden himself.
Speaker 4: He wants to be able to confess it. And I
Speaker 4: think in those moments where he does that, he's probably
Speaker 4: getting a little bit of the load off of his chest.
Speaker 4: I don't know if he's gotten all of it off,
Speaker 4: because most people just think he's joking or whatever. But
Speaker 4: you know, I'm sure these people are promised a lot
Speaker 4: when they're told to go through with the lie. The
Speaker 4: probably give him a lot of money. I would guess
Speaker 4: they're given fame, right, I mean imagine being him and
Speaker 4: he everywhere he goes that he's just you know, pretty
Speaker 4: much I idol uh. I can't even say the word. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he's idolized everywhere he goes. And you know, for a
Speaker 4: lot of people and for the enemy Satan. You know,
Speaker 4: idolatry is like something he really wants people that are
Speaker 4: not of Christ to have. And and you see it
Speaker 4: with celebrities everywhere, athletes, actors, so you know, uh, I
Speaker 4: feel bad for him. You know, I think a lot
Speaker 4: of people would would be like, I want to trade
Speaker 4: places with him because of what they think he's done. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but the reality is you wouldn't want that because he's
Speaker 4: been harboring something in his heart his whole life. You know.
Speaker 3: I feel bad for them, But I think my level
Speaker 3: of a feeling badness would depend on at what point
Speaker 3: was he told about the lie? Like if if if
Speaker 3: they made Capricorn one as a disclosure and they literally
Speaker 3: got in that capsule on you know, July of nineteen
Speaker 3: sixty nine, thinking they were going to the moon and
Speaker 3: then they were. They went down a slide into this
Speaker 3: car and disappeared off and we're told, hey, we you know,
Speaker 3: blah blah blah, but if you don't do this, we're
Speaker 3: going to whack your families, but we'll take care of
Speaker 3: you know. If that type of thing, then I mean,
Speaker 3: what are you going to do? But being a Freemason,
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think that they were probably in
Speaker 3: on it prior to so, so he was a Freemason, Yes,
Speaker 3: Neil was, I think Buzz was, and I'm not sure
Speaker 3: if the third guy was. I can never remember his name,
Speaker 3: but yeah, there you can find the halls that they're
Speaker 3: actually the ones that they belonged to. But you could
Speaker 3: just tell he was miserable. He didn't talk much about it.
Speaker 3: And again, if you were one of three people in
Speaker 3: history at that point to have walked on the moon
Speaker 3: air quotes, you'd be on every talk show, you'd be
Speaker 3: on Gatorade commercials, you know, weed these commercials, like all
Speaker 3: the athletes. And he just disappeared. And Clinton asked, quote,
Speaker 3: asked him to speak the twenty fifth and ninety four,
Speaker 3: and you know, it was like he was speaking at
Speaker 3: a funeral, and those type of things.
Speaker 4: Just don't I think I confused the two. I think
Speaker 4: it's the buzz Aldron, the one that's.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's the one that was kind of trying to
Speaker 3: disclose when the little girl asked him the question, right, yeah,
Speaker 3: but Neil, Yeah, he barely spoke, and when he did,
Speaker 3: it was like when he was at a funeral.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, Well so he must have had the bigger conscience,
Speaker 4: I guess, of the three.
Speaker 3: I agree. And it is weird his name backward a
Speaker 3: is alien. I'm sure that's just a coincidence.
Speaker 4: Too, Always a coincidence, right when when is it not
Speaker 4: a coincidence?
Speaker 3: At what point for sure? And then you know from
Speaker 3: the moon landing too. I guess the question is how
Speaker 3: did you come upon the topic of flat earth and
Speaker 3: what led you to look further into it.
Speaker 4: So I saw a documentary called What on Earth Happened.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you've seen that or not. It's
Speaker 4: it's an eight hour documentary, And like you, COVID was
Speaker 4: my tipping point. That was the thing that woke me
Speaker 4: up to a lot of things, you know, starting off
Speaker 4: with vaccines, you know, I actually it was not against
Speaker 4: vaccines up until up until COVID. I never took a
Speaker 4: flu shot. I never took vaccines because I was healthy
Speaker 4: and I was kind of lazy, I guess. You know.
Speaker 4: When I lived in Hawaii, I would say I was
Speaker 4: pretty disconnected from politics in general. It was like ten
Speaker 4: years of just building my business, living the good life,
Speaker 4: you know, single, So I was just doing my own
Speaker 4: thing for this long period of time. Of course, that
Speaker 4: would have been during the Iraq War and then into
Speaker 4: the Obama presidency. So it wasn't until really COVID happened
Speaker 4: that I that I started having some time because I
Speaker 4: wasn't working anymore to look into these things. And one
Speaker 4: thing that I never had put together was that my
Speaker 4: wife had suffered a vaccine injury. She had taken two
Speaker 4: vaccines from in twenty seven and then twenty nineteen, and
Speaker 4: she was also just like, whatever chare, I'll take it.
Speaker 4: The doctor said you should take this vaccine. Okay, I'll
Speaker 4: take it, and had some pretty bad, severe reactions. But
Speaker 4: we didn't know what it came, you know, we didn't
Speaker 4: put two and two together. So when COVID started, and
Speaker 4: we all remember when it started, right in the middle
Speaker 4: of March, when they canceled the NBA games and it
Speaker 4: was like, oh, we need two weeks to slow the
Speaker 4: spread and all this stuff. I told her, I said,
Speaker 4: this is going to be something they're going to make
Speaker 4: people do. They're gonna make people take these vaccines. Of course,
Speaker 4: vaccines weren't even being talked about, but I knew. I
Speaker 4: knew at that moment that's what was going on. And
Speaker 4: by the way, I told my wife on our second
Speaker 4: date about the micro chips, and I told her about
Speaker 4: all these crazy other conspiracies that I had had learned about,
Speaker 4: because I was like, this is who I am, this
Speaker 4: is what I believe, and so she was at the time.
Speaker 4: She was just she would tell me later she thought
Speaker 4: I was crazy, but I was kind enough and cute
Speaker 4: enough that she would keep dating me. So so anyways,
Speaker 4: you know, just during that time, it was when I,
Speaker 4: you know, was waking up to the vaccines and then
Speaker 4: stumbled across this documentary and man, is it. It's the
Speaker 4: most eye opening documentary I've ever seen because it covers everything.
Speaker 4: It doesn't just cover flat Earth. It covers you know,
Speaker 4: all the other stuff we know and kind of been
Speaker 4: talking about, you know, with with politicians and kind of
Speaker 4: how evil they are. And I won't get into all
Speaker 4: the evil aspects, but you know, it talks about free energy,
Speaker 4: it talks about Tesla, it talks about all these things,
Speaker 4: and it all just made sense to me from the
Speaker 4: moment I saw it, and I'm like, oh wow, you know,
Speaker 4: and I knew that the government, the media, that they
Speaker 4: lie about everything pretty much, so I already had an
Speaker 4: inherent distrust, but when I saw this, it was it
Speaker 4: was just like everything clicked for me. And there was
Speaker 4: another doctor, another video that I saw. It's on Rumble.
Speaker 4: It's a I think it's called Pastor Teaches the flat
Speaker 4: Earth truth from the Bible. It's it's Roca Baptist, I
Speaker 4: think is the church. It's a younger guy, but it's
Speaker 4: real biblically based. Because you know, who has time to
Speaker 4: watch an eight hour documentary, right? You know? I feel
Speaker 4: like every morning I'm getting sent you know, thirty reels,
Speaker 4: five YouTube videos, three Facebook videos every morning and it
Speaker 4: gets fatiguing, right, And I know that's that's probably a
Speaker 4: lot of people. And you're getting all these stuff sent
Speaker 4: you don't really have time to watch everything. So, you know,
Speaker 4: I wanted to show this to my Christian brothers and
Speaker 4: in my group chat sent this to them, And I've
Speaker 4: sent it to a bunch of people and I've yet
Speaker 4: to have anybody come back to me and say, oh,
Speaker 4: you're crazy. This doesn't make any sense. This is this
Speaker 4: is this is ridiculous. Even the ones that are very
Speaker 4: traditionally kind of science based, they're like, wow, this is
Speaker 4: actually pretty good. This is from the Bible, this is
Speaker 4: using data science, it's using you know, just basic biblical
Speaker 4: principles from the from the Bible versus and so. But yeah,
Speaker 4: it was it was really the what on Earth Happened?
Speaker 4: Documentary that was my Star, and then these other ones
Speaker 4: kind of came along, and you know, it's just something
Speaker 4: I'm passionate about because you know, I have a two
Speaker 4: year old daughter, and you know, all these YouTube videos
Speaker 4: that we show are these kind of kids stuff. It's
Speaker 4: zoom zoom, zoom, We're going to the moon, you know,
Speaker 4: And I'm just like, we're not really going.
Speaker 3: To go to the moon.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And I kind of say it to her.
Speaker 4: She has no idea what I'm saying, you know. So
Speaker 4: I don't want to teach my child something that to lie,
Speaker 4: and so I'm always in search of truth wherever that
Speaker 4: leads me. And that's where this it's led me to.
Speaker 3: And I know this is far reaching possibly, and I
Speaker 3: know many of us are very much. I actually had
Speaker 3: this conversation the other day with a friend as well,
Speaker 3: talking about how entrenched we are over tradition. We're people
Speaker 3: love tradition, especially Americans. Right, certain dates we do certain things.
Speaker 3: July fourth we barbecue, you know, and December twenty fifth
Speaker 3: is Christmas, and you know all of the things. I
Speaker 3: kind of forget where I was going with this as
Speaker 3: far as tradition.
Speaker 4: Ah, well, you have a globe everywhere. One thing I heard,
Speaker 4: is you go to any not any church, but a
Speaker 4: lot of church as you see a globe. Yes, so
Speaker 4: you're sort of given this idea from the moment you're born.
Speaker 3: Right, And what I was getting to was, I remember
Speaker 3: now because you said you don't want to teach your
Speaker 3: children a lie. And that comes to a discussion I
Speaker 3: have with many people about is it cool or is
Speaker 3: it innocent to teach your children about Santa Claus? And again,
Speaker 3: we're steeped in tradition, That's where I was going with that,
Speaker 3: and sometimes we're we will we care more about our
Speaker 3: traditions than we do the truth. And is it just
Speaker 3: a little innocent white lie or are we setting up
Speaker 3: our children to this type of propaganda where they're not
Speaker 3: able to discern things because we're intentionally And for some
Speaker 3: people they rolled their eyes when you hear that. But
Speaker 3: the order I get, the more I think about it,
Speaker 3: is this an intentional diversion to bring out any You know,
Speaker 3: if a guy can go around the globe in twenty
Speaker 3: four hours, then maybe they can get these children to
Speaker 3: believe that we're on a spinny ball and everything else.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you, if you were walking through the Middle East,
Speaker 3: in the twelve hundreds or in Europe in the twelve hundreds,
Speaker 3: and you try to tell somebody that the Earth was
Speaker 3: spinning and we were on a ball, you probably get
Speaker 3: laughed out of town. So you know, what are your
Speaker 3: thoughts on that as far as Santa and those type
Speaker 3: of things.
Speaker 4: So, yes, Santa is an anagram for Satan. You know,
Speaker 4: that's that's right off the bat. And what do they
Speaker 4: say about Santa? He sees you when you're sleeping, he
Speaker 4: knows if you've been bad or good? Yep, you know,
Speaker 4: so I think you know, Satan twists and destroys everything
Speaker 4: you know to be to to what is true. And
Speaker 4: you know, we talk about you know, if you believe
Speaker 4: in a flat earth or I call it true Earth
Speaker 4: because I feel like flat earths it's while it's more recognizable,
Speaker 4: it's it definitely is a negative connotation for a lot
Speaker 4: of people. But just like anti vaxxer or whatever, it's
Speaker 4: it's kind of how Satan tries to demonize people. But
Speaker 4: you know, if you look at the ancient maps of
Speaker 4: the world, like you talk about from the twelve hundred,
Speaker 4: do you look at the new standard map of the
Speaker 4: world or you look at somebody actually older maps there
Speaker 4: was something called Rupus Negress in the middle and it
Speaker 4: was a black rock with four rivers flowing from it.
Speaker 4: That's right, and this is well documented by plenty of
Speaker 4: explorers who went to the center of the Earth or
Speaker 4: tried to. And and you think, like, you know, we're
Speaker 4: told that the North Pole, it's it's it's that's where
Speaker 4: the ores moralist comes from. But you know, my thoughts
Speaker 4: and I don't know this for sure, but my my
Speaker 4: suspicion is it's not what they're telling us, that those
Speaker 4: green lights are something different.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: Something that I don't know if you've talked about this
Speaker 4: on your show is Tartaria and kind of the thought
Speaker 4: of perhaps we're not in the right timeline that you know,
Speaker 4: all these pyramids and all these ancient cathedrals and buildings
Speaker 4: could not have been built by people with just chisels
Speaker 4: and chisels and a hammer and a horse and buggy.
Speaker 4: And something that I've just recently discovered is what a
Speaker 4: theory that's being posed that were actually in the short
Speaker 4: season of Satan right now that actually the one thousand
Speaker 4: year millennium has already occurred, and that was when Christ
Speaker 4: came back, like you said, in a short amount of time,
Speaker 4: and he established his kingdom on earth, and that that
Speaker 4: thousand year reign took place because you can see these
Speaker 4: old buildings where they there are photos where the m
Speaker 4: was not in front of the building, and they added
Speaker 4: it on later, they added another thousand years, and it
Speaker 4: kind of makes sense if you think about it, because
Speaker 4: these buildings could not have been built as we've been told.
Speaker 4: We know there's some sort of lie that's taking place,
Speaker 4: and then we just you know, the theory that's been
Speaker 4: posed understanding conspiracies. The YouTube channel, I highly recommend anybody
Speaker 4: check it out. He really does a great job of
Speaker 4: explaining it that perhaps the timeline that we're on now
Speaker 4: started right around the time we're told the revolutionary war started.
Speaker 4: And if you look at the Statue of Liberty, it's
Speaker 4: she's got the chains that are broken off at the
Speaker 4: bottom of her feet. And you know, I just don't
Speaker 4: believe what we're told, and you know it does you know,
Speaker 4: people think that Satan is not still active today. Oh,
Speaker 4: Satan is still active. He's still lying, he's still manipulating.
Speaker 4: But what I've always come back to is that is
Speaker 4: that the Bible is true and that Christ is true
Speaker 4: because you know, for the people, for people who are
Speaker 4: celebrities or politicians or whatever, they may not say they
Speaker 4: believe in Christ, but they certainly act like they believe
Speaker 4: in Satan. You know, the people who party with Marina
Speaker 4: Abramanovic and participating in all these crazy he you know,
Speaker 4: ritual's man, you know, it always comes back to Christ.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope that means I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: I said, I hope all that made sense.
Speaker 3: I'm kind of one hundred percent know that that made
Speaker 3: complete sense. The last interview I did, young man named Austin.
Speaker 3: We were talking about Robert Johnson I think his name was.
Speaker 3: He was the first guy who went to the Crossroad
Speaker 3: and sold his soul to the devil. He was the
Speaker 3: first guy in the twenty seven Club. But then there's
Speaker 3: the famous Bob Dylan interview in sixty minutes where he
Speaker 3: comes out and says he he sold his soul to
Speaker 3: the devil. And many of them have. And by the way,
Speaker 3: I'll put the link in the show notes Understanding Conspiracy.
Speaker 3: I had Paul I think his name is Paul Stobbs.
Speaker 3: He was We were on each other's podcast about two
Speaker 3: years ago. He's he does a lot of stuff with
Speaker 3: the Nephelim and how they look like clowns and things
Speaker 3: of that nature. Very good, very good YouTube channel.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, the Nephelim and the clowns, that's something I
Speaker 4: haven't gotten into. But what does it surprise anyone that
Speaker 4: that something like that would be used today as a
Speaker 4: replacement for the Nephlom. You know, clowns can be creepy, right,
Speaker 4: We're always told, oh, clowns are creepy or scary and weird.
Speaker 4: That makes sense now.
Speaker 3: It does, and I think that may be one of
Speaker 3: the keys to the answers of the pyramids, right, it
Speaker 3: doesn't make sense that giants would be able to build
Speaker 3: the pyramids versus you know, just a bunch of you
Speaker 3: know humans, you know, thousands of years ago, and do
Speaker 3: they continue today? They're bloodlines? Are they the ones who
Speaker 3: are in these positions? You know, if you read Fritz
Speaker 3: spring Myers thirteen Bloodlines of the Illuminati, jeh, that the
Speaker 3: Kennedy family was one of them. So things really, the
Speaker 3: Onnasas family is one of them. The Orsini family, that
Speaker 3: is a big one that nobody if you guys are
Speaker 3: bored looking for rabbit holes go down. The Orsini family,
Speaker 3: they're one of the families. Everybody's heard the Rockefellers, the Rothchilds,
Speaker 3: but the Orsines go under the bell tower very much.
Speaker 3: But yeah, Paul and his YouTube channel go check that out.
Speaker 3: And there are lots of evidences around the world showing
Speaker 3: that we're not in that timeline. It's interesting they started
Speaker 3: to use the word founded right in seventeen fifty Was
Speaker 3: it founded or did they find it? And then like
Speaker 3: you mentioned that first digit, was it really a one
Speaker 3: or was it something else?
Speaker 4: And the word freemason they found free masonry that was there?
Speaker 3: Oh, great point. It was already the bricks and blocks
Speaker 3: were already laid, so it's a freemasonry to them. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's a great point. And then of course we always
Speaker 3: point to the Great Wall of China. Why are the
Speaker 3: defensive positions facing the other way? And that's that, I
Speaker 3: think is one of the biggest pieces of evidence that
Speaker 3: people use. You know, we're the sections of the Great
Speaker 3: Wall built by Tartaria and if you look at the
Speaker 3: old maps, it's right on there. So very interesting. I'm
Speaker 3: not sure what timeline were and if they're being honest
Speaker 3: about that.
Speaker 4: Or not, I would have to say no at the
Speaker 4: very least, you know, whether or not Christ's millennium Kingdom
Speaker 4: has happened or not. It doesn't feel like something's you know,
Speaker 4: everything feels off, you know, and I think, you know,
Speaker 4: the whole idea of the rapture occurring kind of this
Speaker 4: futurist that's what I was raised in, and that's honestly
Speaker 4: what I believed up until you know, the last year
Speaker 4: or two when I started, you know, learning more about
Speaker 4: this stuff where I even just questioned it. So, you know,
Speaker 4: the thing is a lot of us believers, we all
Speaker 4: have different eschatologies, and I think, you know, I try
Speaker 4: to balance it where I'm always seeking the truth, but
Speaker 4: also just making sure i'm you know, spending time with God,
Speaker 4: listening to him, being in his word, acting with people
Speaker 4: where they are, because you know, if I'm just now
Speaker 4: kind of having these revelations, who was I just a
Speaker 4: few years ago, right, I was somebody who believes something else,
Speaker 4: And so you have to always have compassion and empathy
Speaker 4: with people who are, you know, maybe not as informed,
Speaker 4: I guess would be the best way to say it,
Speaker 4: or have never considered, you know, different ways of thinking
Speaker 4: and you know, I remember as a kid going to
Speaker 4: a revival with a bunch of different denominations, you know, Methodists, Episcopalians, Baptists,
Speaker 4: like I was raised Baptist, and there was a preacher
Speaker 4: who got up on stage and he says, okay, who's Episcopalian,
Speaker 4: who's Methodist, who's Baptist? And he said, okay, well, somebody's wrong, right.
Speaker 4: We all think we're right, but it can't We all
Speaker 4: can't be right. So I think understanding that at least
Speaker 4: allows you to be open minded in terms of, you know,
Speaker 4: different interpretations of this type of theology.
Speaker 3: That's such a good point that we don't talk about enough.
Speaker 3: And this is something I did think about when I
Speaker 3: was a young man. Was you know it does your
Speaker 3: chance of being saved depend on the part of the
Speaker 3: world that you're born in? Just that simple thrain, you know,
Speaker 3: phrase alone could get you thinking for hours. I mean,
Speaker 3: if you just were born in Saudi Arabia, the chances
Speaker 3: of you becoming a Christian are probably one or two percent.
Speaker 3: And that's why, you know, everybody all around the world regardless,
Speaker 3: you have to be a truth seeker and you have
Speaker 3: to do research. But again, it goes I think this
Speaker 3: goes all the way back to what we were talking
Speaker 3: about five minutes ago. With tradition. If something is traditional
Speaker 3: in our ways, we don't question it in other ways.
Speaker 3: Is that fair to say?
Speaker 4: Absolutely?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean I've wrestled with with what you just talked
Speaker 4: about as well. You know, and that's kind of a
Speaker 4: question you hear a lot is what about the kid
Speaker 4: in the jungles of Brazil? Is he going to God
Speaker 4: going to send him to Hell? Well, the Bible is
Speaker 4: very clear it's not about those who don't accept Christ,
Speaker 4: but it's those who reject Christ exactly. And you know,
Speaker 4: if you are given the opportunity to accept Christ and
Speaker 4: you see, no, I don't, I don't believe I reject
Speaker 4: then that's something that you know is between you and God.
Speaker 4: You know, my pastor in Hawaii would always say God's God,
Speaker 4: You're not deal with it. And it sounds harsh, but
Speaker 4: it's true. We're just all little, tiny creatures here Roman
Speaker 4: the Roman Earth. You know, you might God differently than
Speaker 4: I might God. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 4: doesn't matter how we would quote unquote God because we're
Speaker 4: not and so we kind of have to play within
Speaker 4: the rules or within the parameters we're given and humble
Speaker 4: ourselves and realize that we are just you know, dust
Speaker 4: in the wind.
Speaker 3: And that's what I try to remember when I'm having
Speaker 3: these conversations with friends and extended family. I say, don't
Speaker 3: get mad at me. It's in the Bible. This is
Speaker 3: between you and God. This isn't between you and me.
Speaker 3: I'm showing you, I'm citing this information. Don't get mad
Speaker 3: at me, you know, just because and listen, there are
Speaker 3: many verses in the Bible that probably you know, challenge
Speaker 3: things that we were taught or again something that is
Speaker 3: stapled in our tradition, but you just have to understand,
Speaker 3: if it's in black and white, you have to accept it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, tradition. You look at the Catholic Church. What
Speaker 4: has tradition done for the Catholic Church.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Bible is very specific called no man father
Speaker 3: except God exactly. And then again I bring that up
Speaker 3: and I get I'm just saying, Look, I'm just telling
Speaker 3: you what the Bible says. And I'll ask you this
Speaker 3: as well, since we're on this topic, what are your
Speaker 3: thoughts of the apocrypha and the extended books of Enoch
Speaker 3: and josh Ure things that maybe really dive deeper into
Speaker 3: you know, Genesis and give us a little more of
Speaker 3: the stories. That's something you subscribe to. Is that something
Speaker 3: you've looked into?
Speaker 4: Yes, the Book of enoch Is is definitely fascinating. Have
Speaker 4: been kind of looking at the book the Ethiopian Bible,
Speaker 4: which is eighty eight books. By the way, the pope
Speaker 4: died at eighty eight yesterday. I'm sure a coincidence, you know,
Speaker 4: I know there's a NaSTA Gospels which are considered to
Speaker 4: be you know, fraudulent. You know, I think God allowed
Speaker 4: the Bible to exist as it exists that we have today.
Speaker 4: It doesn't change anything as far as what salvation is'
Speaker 4: but I'm sure you know you think about God allows
Speaker 4: Satan to do things. He allowed Satan to take away
Speaker 4: you know, job's health, his family, his farm. So for
Speaker 4: whatever reason, God is a god that allows certain things
Speaker 4: to happen seemingly kind of a kind of fluid, kind
Speaker 4: of fluid right where he's like okay, yeah, and he
Speaker 4: kind of negotiates with with people and negotiates with Satan
Speaker 4: or whatever. So is it possible that he allowed Satan
Speaker 4: to take away books of the Bible that might empower
Speaker 4: humans more or to have a greater understanding of him.
Speaker 4: It's possible. I mean, we know the Catholic Church has
Speaker 4: tons of books, tons of canons in the Vatican stored away,
Speaker 4: So you know, it's something that I really kind of
Speaker 4: want to look more into. As far as the Ethiopian Bible,
Speaker 4: I've read the Book of Enoch, you know, I think
Speaker 4: anything that's going to clue humans into the true Earth,
Speaker 4: certainly that's something that you know, Satan and the powers
Speaker 4: that be are not going to want because people will
Speaker 4: say this to say, well, what does it matter that
Speaker 4: we live on a flat earth? Who cares? What does
Speaker 4: it matter? Well? I think it matters because if you're
Speaker 4: just if you're just a monkey evolving from from from
Speaker 4: gu to you by way of the zoo, if you're
Speaker 4: just a floating on a marble flying through space that
Speaker 4: just came from a big well, there is no creator,
Speaker 4: there is no God, You're you're basically life is meaningless.
Speaker 4: You can live as you want, right because you only
Speaker 4: live once, do as you please. But if you live
Speaker 4: in a self contained earth where God is literally above me,
Speaker 4: and I believe this God is literally above us when
Speaker 4: the sky opens He's right there, and I truly believe
Speaker 4: below us is where she Ola is, where Hell is.
Speaker 4: Then there is a purpose to life. Then there is accountability.
Speaker 4: You can't just do whatever you want. So I think
Speaker 4: that's why that we're fed this lie that we're spinning
Speaker 4: on a on a on a blue marble, floating through
Speaker 4: space or whatever miles per hour versus we are in
Speaker 4: a self contained earth. And so I think it does
Speaker 4: matter because I think it's it actually makes God more
Speaker 4: personable if I know he's right above me, even as
Speaker 4: a Christian, Because you know, up until the point that
Speaker 4: I thought that I felt like God was a little
Speaker 4: more dissa that he wasn't, you know, close he was
Speaker 4: wherever he was, beyond the universe or whatever. I couldn't
Speaker 4: even really honestly fathom where he was. I just knew
Speaker 4: he existed in heaven. But I believe Heaven is right
Speaker 4: above us, and for me, it makes God more intimate.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you put that perfectly. By the way, the
Speaker 3: people who are in true power of this world, there's
Speaker 3: a lot of people who believed that they are atheist,
Speaker 3: and I tell him they're not atheist, that they believe
Speaker 3: that that Satan is the hero in this story. And
Speaker 3: the sad thing is that these people I don't think
Speaker 3: it's as much. I think this plays a part of it.
Speaker 3: You know, this worldly riches and having whatever, basically the
Speaker 3: same way Satan tempted Jesus. I'm going to give you
Speaker 3: all of this right, and that's that's what. Whether you know,
Speaker 3: name the elitist, whether whatever family, that plays a part
Speaker 3: of it. But I truly think that these people believe
Speaker 3: that Satan is the good guy. And it's kind of
Speaker 3: funny for people who have it all that they are
Speaker 3: the ones who have been completely fooled.
Speaker 4: Wow. You know, I haven't honestly heard a lot of
Speaker 4: people say they believe that, But you know, I saw
Speaker 4: a soccer match in Germany recently where they had this
Speaker 4: Lucifer sign in the crowd or they had all like
Speaker 4: I saw that sort of Did you see that? Yeah,
Speaker 4: you don't see it very often that overt right, You'll
Speaker 4: see some of the symbolism like in the Olympic Games
Speaker 4: and things like that, where it's like a little more
Speaker 4: under cover, but you know what it is. I think
Speaker 4: as we continue along this path, it's probably going to
Speaker 4: become more prominent and more people like what you're saying
Speaker 4: are going to be like, Oh, actually, I think Satan's
Speaker 4: a good guy and God's the bad guy.
Speaker 3: One hundred percent. And it's, you know, interesting that when
Speaker 3: this millennium started just nine months in. And here's the
Speaker 3: interesting thing. If you can find a lot lot of
Speaker 3: articles on the internet, there's a lot of people who
Speaker 3: believe September eleventh was actually Jesus' birthday and you have
Speaker 3: the turn of the millennium and the first year of
Speaker 3: the new true millennium in two thousand and one is
Speaker 3: when nine to eleven happens. And there's a lot of
Speaker 3: people out there who believe that that was a ritual
Speaker 3: like that is when the little season started. A lot
Speaker 3: of people that is like a hot topic. I've had
Speaker 3: two or three emails just today about that. By the way,
Speaker 3: you want to talk about something interesting, I got an
Speaker 3: email like right before we started this interview somebody saying
Speaker 3: that we should we should call this true Earth and
Speaker 3: not flat Earth. Exactly what you said. So right, let's
Speaker 3: take it for hours. Let's not run with what they
Speaker 3: call it, because I do believe that flat Earth has
Speaker 3: been hijacked. But there's a lot of people who believe
Speaker 3: that the little season started with nine to eleven, because
Speaker 3: I believe before that they kind of hid the evil
Speaker 3: in this world. And I'm hitting at what you just
Speaker 3: mentioned that they're not hiding this stuff anymore. And it
Speaker 3: seems like after nine to eleven, with war Iraq and
Speaker 3: Afghanistan and the culture, the collapse of culture, and the
Speaker 3: spike in vaccines and medicines and another autism report came
Speaker 3: out yesterday, continues to spike what we've seen over the
Speaker 3: last five years with COVID. It's just a different world.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the perversion, right, I mean, a Democrat twenty years
Speaker 4: ago is like a conservative.
Speaker 3: Today, exactly like Jimmy Door is the classic liberal. Like
Speaker 3: if you've never watched him, go watch him. He was
Speaker 3: considered just a classic liberal. He didn't want war, he
Speaker 3: didn't like big corporations, right, And these are all things
Speaker 3: we can talk about now post COVID, even the most
Speaker 3: republican Republican if you don't see how big corporations have
Speaker 3: destroyed the backbone of our country, which back in the
Speaker 3: day was at ninety five percent of the companies in
Speaker 3: America were small businesses. And then in just six months
Speaker 3: from March to September of twenty twenty, over one hundred
Speaker 3: thousand small businesses went bankrupt, collapsed, closed their doors for good.
Speaker 3: If you don't understand the dangers of this shift of
Speaker 3: wealth giving a few people the piece of the pie,
Speaker 3: and you don't understand what's coming down the road, then
Speaker 3: I can't help you. But I know most of our
Speaker 3: audience does recognize what's coming.
Speaker 4: When that happens, we talk about you know, I talked
Speaker 4: a little bit earlier about Rupus nigas the black rock
Speaker 4: in the middle who owns everything black rock again not
Speaker 4: a coincidence. Let me ask you this question, George, because
Speaker 4: I wanted to make sure we hit on this, because
Speaker 4: this is something that me for tradition and something I've
Speaker 4: always been taught as a Christian. Support Israel, right, support
Speaker 4: Israel no matter what. And I've been doing a lot
Speaker 4: of research on this because I come from a church
Speaker 4: that believes that, and you know, I've been kind of
Speaker 4: digging into it, and you know, my thoughts are kind
Speaker 4: of evolving on that to the point where I question
Speaker 4: if what the belief of the church is is correct.
Speaker 4: You know, are we as Christians the Israel of God?
Speaker 4: We are we the nation of Israel as Christians right
Speaker 4: versus the modern Israel which the Jews quote unquote are
Speaker 4: not actually Jewish by you know, they're not descendants of Judea.
Speaker 4: MANYI are Kazarians who were war Mongols that bred with
Speaker 4: what is today Ukrainian cultures. What are your thoughts? I
Speaker 4: just wanted to kind of see what you think about that.
Speaker 3: There was a great article that I have somewhere, and
Speaker 3: if I find it, I'll put it in the show notes.
Speaker 3: But what it basically says, and I agree with it,
Speaker 3: was the entitlement of Israel ended after seventy a d.
Speaker 3: The only is the only way to heaven is through
Speaker 3: the blood of Christ. Period. We are all of the
Speaker 3: abraham E seed, if you can put it that way.
Speaker 3: And the creation of the current state of Israel. Whether
Speaker 3: people believe it's referenced in the letters to Smyrna in
Speaker 3: Philadelphia and Revelations two nine and three nine, some people agree,
Speaker 3: some people say that's something different. But if you believe
Speaker 3: with all the verses, I'm not saying you directly, Josh,
Speaker 3: but I'm saying if the listener, Josh, sorry, if the
Speaker 3: listener believes that a rich family, one of the wealthiest
Speaker 3: families in the world. You think God reached out to
Speaker 3: them to create the new Israel when the Bible repeatedly
Speaker 3: says it's easier for a camel to go through the
Speaker 3: eye of a needle than for a rich man to
Speaker 3: get into heaven. That's why. Also the Bible also says,
Speaker 3: you know, sell all your worldly goods if you want
Speaker 3: to follow Jesus Christ. It's the Bible often tells us
Speaker 3: that money, it's not the root of all evil, but
Speaker 3: the love of money is the root of all evil.
Speaker 3: And these people love money because money brings power. The
Speaker 3: current state of Israel was something that was cleverly crafted.
Speaker 3: It goes back longer than way before nineteen forty eight.
Speaker 3: It was part of the reason the Civil War happened. Reconstruction,
Speaker 3: than the World Zionist Organization, than the Federal Reserve. Then
Speaker 3: the Balfour Declaration, which was addressed to the Rothchilds, and
Speaker 3: that is the reason. And listen, I'm just going to
Speaker 3: tell each and every listener the truth about World War
Speaker 3: Two was like everything else, it was a lie. What
Speaker 3: was was Hitler a hero and a good guy?
Speaker 5: I'm not.
Speaker 3: I'm never I've never said that what I am saying.
Speaker 6: Is that.
Speaker 3: There was a lot of lies that went down in history.
Speaker 3: Right FDR new in November about the attack on Pearl Harbor.
Speaker 3: Read you folks can't listen, but that book that They
Speaker 3: of Deceit by Robert Stinnett, one of the best books
Speaker 3: about that. The entire year leading up they forced Japan's hand,
Speaker 3: they had a blockade, and they knew it was coming.
Speaker 3: They put all their old warships together on a Sunday morning, Like,
Speaker 3: you know, we could get into all of that. But
Speaker 3: like everything else, the Lusitania was a lie, The Gulf
Speaker 3: of Tonkin was a lie, Pearl Harbor was a lie,
Speaker 3: and it was problem reaction, you know, the whole Hegelian dialect.
Speaker 3: They our goal was to get into World War two
Speaker 3: because of the ultimate goal of bringing the false state
Speaker 3: of Israel. And I know, for a lot of people,
Speaker 3: if this is like the very first podcast you've ever
Speaker 3: listened to, I know that's like, what what is it?
Speaker 3: Anti Semitic and all these things that you're programmed to think,
Speaker 3: it's not it is not. Please understand, in my opinion,
Speaker 3: this is George's opinion, no one else is that this
Speaker 3: city when the city of Jerusalem was destroyed in seventy
Speaker 3: a d. That was the end of Israel. The current
Speaker 3: state of Israel was created by billionaires, who are trillionaires
Speaker 3: who want to deceive people, and our government is run
Speaker 3: by Israel. Kennedy was killed because he wanted APAK to
Speaker 3: be classified as a government, as a nonprofit whatever the
Speaker 3: word is I'm looking for. And he wanted to Mona
Speaker 3: closed the nuclear plant, and they killed him for it.
Speaker 3: Everybody thinks it was this, that and the other thing.
Speaker 3: I've done pretty in depth research, and all of that
Speaker 3: is my opinion and my opinion alone. And I know
Speaker 3: a lot of that challenges the narrative. But if you
Speaker 3: understand they're lying about the globe, you can trust me.
Speaker 3: They're they're lying about just about everything. Sorry that so.
Speaker 4: Instead that opposed the FED were A Jackson, Abraham Lincoln,
Speaker 4: and John F. Kennedy. And what happened to all three
Speaker 4: of those And then shortly after the war, what was
Speaker 4: aside from Israel, the state of Israel, what was created
Speaker 4: the United Nations. We can't have we can never have
Speaker 4: this happen again. And it's always been my belief that
Speaker 4: the ultimate goal is a one world government, yes, rule, fine,
Speaker 4: Antichrist and so all these things sort of had to happen.
Speaker 4: And you know, as the saying goes, history is written
Speaker 4: by the victors, right. I mean, we can look back
Speaker 4: just a couple of years with COVID, how people are
Speaker 4: trying to manipulate you know, what was said and what
Speaker 4: was done. You know, I have a friend of mine
Speaker 4: who's a Christian. He's always posting stuff on Facebook about
Speaker 4: how Republicans are evil and all this kind of stuff,
Speaker 4: and you know, vaccines, this and that, and I said, well,
Speaker 4: I thought the vaccine was one hundred percent it was
Speaker 4: one hundred percent effective. It was going to you get it,
Speaker 4: you won't get COVID, right, Oh, no one ever said that.
Speaker 4: No one ever said that. And then I literally post,
Speaker 4: you know Alfred Borla or I'm sorry, Albert Borla, the
Speaker 4: Sfizer CEO saying, oh, it's a one hundred percent effect,
Speaker 4: we tested one hundred percent effective. Or you know Joe
Speaker 4: Biden saying if you get it the vaccine, wont get COVID.
Speaker 4: And yet he denies this, like right in front of him,
Speaker 4: I'm showing him this, right. So the point being, if
Speaker 4: people can't accept history from just a couple of years ago.
Speaker 4: What are we being told from forty to fifty eighty
Speaker 4: years ago that's not true, that we just believe. And
Speaker 4: you know, this thing with Israel is just something recently
Speaker 4: that I've really sort of discovered. I was always about
Speaker 4: support Israel because in my mind I believe was a Christian,
Speaker 4: you know, Israel is the chosen land of God. Jews
Speaker 4: are the chosen people. And it was just something I
Speaker 4: was brought up with and just never looked into.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and if you ask anybody what they were taught
Speaker 3: in high school about World War Two, you'll get very
Speaker 3: few narratives that, you know, the Third Reich was eaten
Speaker 3: evil and this happened in six million, et cetera. And listen,
Speaker 3: I never want to say only numbers. Only this ma
Speaker 3: people every single life. And there's atrocities, whether it's Russia, Ukraine,
Speaker 3: whatever war's going on. There's propaganda on both sides, yes,
Speaker 3: and normally it's the innocent people that who were forced
Speaker 3: into who were conscripted into war to have to fight
Speaker 3: against each other and kill each other, and many in
Speaker 3: many cases it's Christians versus Christians. We're decimating ourselves. But
Speaker 3: going back to high school. You're not taught about Dresden.
Speaker 3: You're not taught about the Caton massacre, You're not taught
Speaker 3: about the Armenian genocide, you're not taught about the Kulox
Speaker 3: that was Stalin, all the millions that he killed during
Speaker 3: his time. It's just that the narrative.
Speaker 4: Fact that we never hear about that, no War War two.
Speaker 4: It was only the Jews there were, you know, we
Speaker 4: sort of go back and talk about, but not the
Speaker 4: ten to twenty million Christians. So that's interesting, it is.
Speaker 3: And again everybody research for yourself and come to your
Speaker 3: own conclusions. But again, if you think obviously everything is
Speaker 3: a lie and if it goes against the agenda, then
Speaker 3: you're you're going to be labeled as something everything from
Speaker 3: conspiracy theorists to you name it. But it is it's
Speaker 3: a deep subject. And again the more touchy it is,
Speaker 3: the more of a reaction you get. There's there's a
Speaker 3: certain reason why you're built to accept it that way,
Speaker 3: and that's that's why it's so hard to have a
Speaker 3: conversation without, you know, with without being labeled as crazy
Speaker 3: when you discuss flat earth or true Earth. And I'll
Speaker 3: toss this to you Have you had any success sharing
Speaker 3: this with whether it be family or friends.
Speaker 4: Yeah, friends have been pretty open. Even my mom. I
Speaker 4: showed her the wat on Earth happened doc and she
Speaker 4: was just like wow, blown away. You know, my sister,
Speaker 4: who I love so much, is not a believer, and
Speaker 4: you know, there's a lot of reasons I think why.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I don't know if she would be as open.
Speaker 4: And you know, I pray for her, you know, every day,
Speaker 4: for her, for her to come to Christ and to
Speaker 4: not have any resentment or guards up. But there's a
Speaker 4: saying that I've even said to her that she resonated with.
Speaker 4: That I say to everybody is that the truth doesn't
Speaker 4: mind being questioned, but the lie hates to be challenged.
Speaker 4: And I can tell you even in my own life, right,
Speaker 4: even if it's something with my wife where I'm clearly
Speaker 4: in the wrong and I try to hold on to well, no, no,
Speaker 4: I'm right, you know, I get maybe a little defensive.
Speaker 4: It's like, oh, maybe maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm believing
Speaker 4: in the lie that I'm not wrong here. And so
Speaker 4: you know, I think, with anything, if you're confident enough
Speaker 4: in what you believe, why why be afraid to have
Speaker 4: a conversation. Why get defensive? Right? You know people say,
Speaker 4: oh that offends me. We should never be offended, right,
Speaker 4: because if somebody is right about what they're telling you what,
Speaker 4: you should be offended. And if they're wrong, well gently
Speaker 4: tell them why they're wrong. There's another never a reason
Speaker 4: to have a posture of defensiveness and offensive offensiveness. You know,
Speaker 4: just be open and and what you believe. And if
Speaker 4: not gave us two years in one mouth, right, he
Speaker 4: wants us to listen more than we speak.
Speaker 3: Will that's great? Yeah, that is spot on. You know,
Speaker 3: we saw a lot of tyranny and the attack on
Speaker 3: our supposed Bill of rights during twenty twenty. Whenever the
Speaker 3: next thing happens, do you think that's going to be
Speaker 3: the final act? Do you think it's going to be
Speaker 3: a permanent type of implementation now that because you know,
Speaker 3: the current president is very excited about AI to the
Speaker 3: effect that he's you know, promised half of a trillion
Speaker 3: dollars to expand AI. And now you have the guy
Speaker 3: who owns Meta, Zuckerberg, who is building this entire what
Speaker 3: do you call the things that the server farm in Georgia,
Speaker 3: and it's so big that the people who live around
Speaker 3: this place they're building, they don't have any running water.
Speaker 3: It's just what's going on down there in Georgia. It's
Speaker 3: just hitting the news within the last twenty four hours.
Speaker 3: The server farm is so big, but they're tapping instead
Speaker 3: of using their own resources, they're tapping into city resources.
Speaker 3: And the people like they're getting dirt and they're drinking water,
Speaker 3: they're not getting any water pressure. They're having all kinds
Speaker 3: of issues, and I think they're starting one in Idaho
Speaker 3: as well. But this whole thing with Ai and so
Speaker 3: excited about it. And when people call Ai God, I mean,
Speaker 3: is Ai the Antichrist?
Speaker 4: I've heard that, you know, perhaps because you know you're
Speaker 4: gonna have these Elon robots perhaps in the future, you know,
Speaker 4: perhaps you'll see them going around. They're programmed with AI,
Speaker 4: which is the truth, right, AI is the answer for everything,
Speaker 4: So you know, maybe he's gonna that'll be the replacement
Speaker 4: for police officers, you know, the go around and hey,
Speaker 4: you know, you you had that brain ship in your
Speaker 4: head and you had a pre crime like a minority
Speaker 4: report where you thought of something violent and you know,
Speaker 4: we detected that. So we're going to need to take
Speaker 4: you in. Yeah, you know, I think that's the one
Speaker 4: thing that I kind of I kind of have contests
Speaker 4: with a lot of people who are very pro Trump,
Speaker 4: you know, the very first day of his presidency, like
Speaker 4: you said, he promised five hundred billion to Oracle and
Speaker 4: all this AI stuff. You know, you know, he calls
Speaker 4: himself to the back the vaccine godfather or whatever, and uh,
Speaker 4: you know, Elon has the Satan's Champion, you know, outfit
Speaker 4: on in his Twitter profile or whatever. Yeah, that's that's
Speaker 4: pretty concerning to me. I think, you know, we literally
Speaker 4: got a guy that says he wants to put a
Speaker 4: chip in your in your head, and you support him.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: I think that's what you call a honeypot, you know,
Speaker 4: somebody that you know, the conservatives on their own most
Speaker 4: likely are not going to take a chip. But if
Speaker 4: they had the same conservative principles as you and they're
Speaker 4: doing all these other things that seem good. Oh, now
Speaker 4: I support Elon or now I support the president, even
Speaker 4: if they're doing is terrible agendas at the same time,
Speaker 4: even if they're supporting war here or war there. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I am kind of with you on that that those
Speaker 4: are concerning to me.
Speaker 3: The future is kind of concerning because you know, I
Speaker 3: was told in all the years that I was in
Speaker 3: the military that you know, we were defending the Constitution
Speaker 3: and if you don't have that first Amendment. And we
Speaker 3: saw during COVID, especially with the churches being closed down
Speaker 3: for our safety. And now fast forward five years later,
Speaker 3: I hear people telling me firsthand that quote people were
Speaker 3: steering clear of church because COVID numbers were up this
Speaker 3: past week or two. I'm talking from today, April twenty second. Yes,
Speaker 3: like here we are in twenty twenty five and people
Speaker 3: are telling me that they are hearing from people that
Speaker 3: they weren't going to you know, Easter Sunday because people
Speaker 3: were sick or they that were told COVID. I guess
Speaker 3: they're still I look, they're still counting COVID in all
Speaker 3: these states, like I had no idea.
Speaker 4: And permanent advantlenged camp.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's like, my goodness, gracious, you know, we
Speaker 3: talk about the greatest lie on Earth that there's quite
Speaker 3: a competition for that for that title.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's it's really sad. I still you know, see
Speaker 4: people wearing face diapers and you know, thinking that that's
Speaker 4: going to be you know, the healthiest choice, you know.
Speaker 4: And you know, Hawaii actually put this thing out maybe
Speaker 4: twenty twenty one, twenty two New Year's resolution they put
Speaker 4: out of Department of Health for kids. I think you
Speaker 4: might have been adults too, but I think it was
Speaker 4: kids that said, trying to get probably don't trying to
Speaker 4: get in shape this year, have a resolution to die
Speaker 4: and exercise. No, that's impossible, Go get a COVID shot. Instead.
Speaker 4: They were literally saying, the key to health was to
Speaker 4: get a shot. And you know, I've learned a lot
Speaker 4: about the medical industry how been hijacked by the Rockefeller
Speaker 4: petroleum based chemical medicines that you know, took away the
Speaker 4: homeopathic cures that have been around forever that work, and
Speaker 4: people somehow equate, you know, all these vaccines that got
Speaker 4: rid of polio and got rid of all these things.
Speaker 4: It's like, no, actually it wasn't that. It was the
Speaker 4: It was the the water being dirty, the food being rancid,
Speaker 4: the working conditions were contributing to people being sick. And
Speaker 4: polio was misdiagnosed left and right, for arsenic poison, all
Speaker 4: these other things. You know, there's a great book I
Speaker 4: recommend to your to your listeners called by Suzanne Humphries. Ah,
Speaker 4: it's uh, it's called Dissolving Illusions. It's a great book
Speaker 4: about the history of vaccines and about how health was hijacked.
Speaker 4: You know, you read this book, you cannot help but
Speaker 4: walk away understanding what vaccines really have done and what
Speaker 4: they do. You know. I have family members who are
Speaker 4: very healthy as far as their diet. They don't smoke,
Speaker 4: they don't drink, and they have all kinds of weird
Speaker 4: health problems, weird sicknesses, you know, and they I truly
Speaker 4: believe it's because they're taking vaccines and flu shots year round.
Speaker 4: You know, they're putting mercury and they're putting aluminum into
Speaker 4: their bodies, you know, And a lot of it I
Speaker 4: think is just political. You know. They subscribe to this
Speaker 4: political party who's all about the science, and to them,
Speaker 4: this is the science, this is this is truth, and
Speaker 4: they're poisoning themselves. And it's just so sad to see
Speaker 4: that still this year, in twenty twenty five, so many
Speaker 4: people are still not awake. But we have podcasts like this,
Speaker 4: and we have other resources out there that I'm thankful
Speaker 4: for that people can actually are waking up to and
Speaker 4: they're hearing about. So you know, on one hand it's depressing,
Speaker 4: but on the other hand, we have our hope. We
Speaker 4: have hope and ultimately our hope in Christ. Right, So
Speaker 4: no matter what does happen to us in this world,
Speaker 4: we're not of the world. And I think that's the
Speaker 4: difference between us and other people who they don't really
Speaker 4: have hope. They don't know like when they die, that's it.
Speaker 4: So obviously they put their hope in the world. Obviously
Speaker 4: they put their hope in science, but it's misplaced, and
Speaker 4: so you know, it's up to us to provide them
Speaker 4: with that true hope. You know.
Speaker 3: Amen to that and talking about the vaccines and the
Speaker 3: things that are really I think affecting our children, because
Speaker 3: do vaccines play a large part of it? Yes, I
Speaker 3: think vitamin K. Giving a newborn vitamin K is a
Speaker 3: huge air because your body's not ready for it. It
Speaker 3: doesn't start making it until day eight. So you're forcing
Speaker 3: my belief as you're forcing an infant to take something
Speaker 3: in that it's not prepared for. I'm not like, again,
Speaker 3: I'm not a huge If somebody's on the world stage,
Speaker 3: they're probably there for reason. But I'm glad to see
Speaker 3: that these artificial food dies within the last hour or
Speaker 3: two since we started this interview. They're getting banned. But
Speaker 3: the thing that he mentioned was last week before my
Speaker 3: radio show, he had announced that it was kind of
Speaker 3: an all encompassing thing. I forget the exact phrase he used,
Speaker 3: and people were upset that he didn't say vaccines directly.
Speaker 3: I forget the phrase he used, kind of like it
Speaker 3: was a toxic atmosphere, I think, is what he said.
Speaker 3: And people say, oh, you didn't say vaccines, but he
Speaker 3: wasn't wrong. Do vaccines play a big part of our illnesses. Yes,
Speaker 3: but it's also the aluminum and barium that's being sprayed.
Speaker 3: It's also the GMOs being used in our plants, you know,
Speaker 3: our seeds. It's also monsanto and round up and the
Speaker 3: spray that they use of our products. It's a lot
Speaker 3: of things. It's the plas That's why you saw me
Speaker 3: draining my water out of a glass. We stop using
Speaker 3: We don't use paper products. Yet, there you go, we
Speaker 3: don't use plastic products anymore. Now listen, I'm surrounded by
Speaker 3: a plastic phone, a plastic mixer, and you can't get
Speaker 3: it completely out of your life. But I think, you
Speaker 3: know what, if you're going to take something into your body,
Speaker 3: keep it far away as possible, because again, it's petroleum
Speaker 3: waste is what this stuff is. So he wasn't wrong
Speaker 3: in saying that we live in a toxic atmosphere because
Speaker 3: we are surrounded by it and they you know, vaccines
Speaker 3: do play a harsh part of it. But man, it's
Speaker 3: it's it's just one part of fluoride, and man, it's
Speaker 3: just one thing after another. You're you're the mercury in
Speaker 3: your fillings in your teeth. You know, when they take
Speaker 3: your the a filling out, they have to go through
Speaker 3: a whole hasmat disposal situation. I mean this, and you're
Speaker 3: putting we're putting this in our mouth.
Speaker 4: My gosh, Yeah, I got to get my fillings checked,
Speaker 4: maybe removed. I don't even I don't even know what's
Speaker 4: in my I know I have one billing, so yeah,
Speaker 4: it's in everything. And I'm you know, I kind of
Speaker 4: agree with you with the RFK thing, where you know,
Speaker 4: it's hard to trust anybody that's in a position like
Speaker 4: that because I know he was also saying that the
Speaker 4: MMR vaccine prevents measles outbreaks, which is that is the
Speaker 4: worst of all of the vaccines. It's you know, terrible.
Speaker 4: And by the way, what happens if you get measles,
Speaker 4: you get over it and.
Speaker 3: Then you have natural immunity for the rest of your life, for.
Speaker 4: The rest of your life. And you know, people are
Speaker 4: pointing out to two kids that died, well, obviously two
Speaker 4: kids died. That's sad. They have underlying conditions, right, probably
Speaker 4: if I had to guess, and I don't know, but regardless,
Speaker 4: people die have other things on a much greater scale, yes,
Speaker 4: But we're highlighting this one specific thing. Why Well, because
Speaker 4: MMR shots profit Mark, which is the biggest vaccine maker
Speaker 4: for the MMR shot, and the pharmaceuticals control the media industry.
Speaker 3: We know that.
Speaker 4: We've seen and we've seen the sponsored by Pfizer video
Speaker 4: with the compilation of all the different news programs that
Speaker 4: are sponsored by Pfizer. We know that the pharmaceutical industry
Speaker 4: is corrupt. We've known this but since COVID. But yet
Speaker 4: somehow we forgot about that when COVID started. And you know,
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's as being Christian, you just
Speaker 4: had better discernment or something with this stuff. I mean,
Speaker 4: I know a lot of non Christians who have discernment
Speaker 4: on this stuff. I think it's a little bit of both,
Speaker 4: you know. I think it's a little bit of you know,
Speaker 4: your spirit when you're saved is changed and you have
Speaker 4: better discernment. But yeah, it's in everything. There was that
Speaker 4: report where recently you probably saw where men like ninety
Speaker 4: nine percent of men have I think it was one
Speaker 4: hundred percent have microplastics in their testicles.
Speaker 3: Oh, anybody does it. You know, everybody has some type
Speaker 3: of microplastic in their in their bodies. But microplastics that
Speaker 3: is something I covered on the radio show last week too.
Speaker 3: That is something that falls into the whole uh toxic environment.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, so it's you know, you can't escape it.
Speaker 4: You know. I think the vaccines are are the trigger
Speaker 4: yeah for autism. Yeah, you know, And they tried when
Speaker 4: they tried to disprove autism when they said, oh, there's
Speaker 4: this big state. This is back in two thousand and two,
Speaker 4: two thousand and three, and they said, oh, this major
Speaker 4: study has came out. I forget who it was. It
Speaker 4: was like Boston University or Oxford, some big university. They
Speaker 4: they've disproven it. Well, when they looked at the study
Speaker 4: they actually they actually were taking out people that were
Speaker 4: showing signs of autism by stratifying the data so that
Speaker 4: if you were born in a certain state or you
Speaker 4: were of a certain ethnicity, they just decided that they
Speaker 4: weren't going to use your data. And that was how
Speaker 4: they got rid of autism in the reports. And there's
Speaker 4: a great documentary called Vaxed that talks about this as
Speaker 4: well as Trace Amounts I think it's called. But they
Speaker 4: did show that there was a high case point for
Speaker 4: exze month. They did show there was a high case
Speaker 4: point for ADHD, right, And so they're admitting to the
Speaker 4: fact that it does cause these things higher than if
Speaker 4: you're not And they never have done placebo studies, right,
Speaker 4: They've never done long term, fifteen twenty year studies of
Speaker 4: people who've been vaccinated versus those who have not been vaccinated.
Speaker 4: And you know, you can look at the your listeners
Speaker 4: can look up the almost anomaly. This guy did a report,
Speaker 4: it was an accidental report basically where he was like,
Speaker 4: you know, I noticed the almost don't have autism, they
Speaker 4: don't have cancers, and yeah, it's not just because of
Speaker 4: the VACT they don't get vaccinated, but it's their foods,
Speaker 4: it's everything else. It's a combination of a lot of things.
Speaker 4: And there's a book called The Age of Autism that
Speaker 4: talks about how vaccines are sort of the catapult to autism. Right,
Speaker 4: you're sort of given Like I was vaccinated as a kid,
Speaker 4: but I didn't get seventy of them. I got seven.
Speaker 4: But I was given these vaccines and no doubt had
Speaker 4: metals and things in my body from that I was
Speaker 4: carrying over all of these years, and I guess transferred
Speaker 4: from the mother to the daughter to the son, and
Speaker 4: then you know, that's why you're seeing this high spike,
Speaker 4: partially because of the rise of vaccinations, but also the
Speaker 4: result of all these other chemicals and metals that we're
Speaker 4: putting into our bodies.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great point. The King family is a
Speaker 3: very prominent Amish family here in Dover, Delaware, and we
Speaker 3: there are butcher that's where we get our feet from
Speaker 3: and even our dog food. And we talk often and
Speaker 3: they'll tell you, you know, much of the stuff that
Speaker 3: we're taught that. You know, it's funny because you ask
Speaker 3: the average America and look at those weird Amish people, right,
Speaker 3: they're on scooters like they're these bicycles with the little
Speaker 3: they just take their feet and pedal down the street.
Speaker 3: They're on horse and buggies, and they look at us
Speaker 3: the same way. You know, look at these people injecting
Speaker 3: all this mercury and poison their bodies. And he'll even
Speaker 3: tell you it's like we've never seen because he says,
Speaker 3: we got family in Ohio, Pennsylvania. Nobody's we don't have
Speaker 3: anybody in a family. It's autism or and the.
Speaker 4: Cancer just outscouted cancer is actually rising childhood cancer. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that doesn't make sense. Well, how could that be?
Speaker 3: No, it's it again. It goes back to accountability. If
Speaker 3: people would be held accountable for their actions, this type
Speaker 3: of thing wouldn't happen as often. But everybody's favorite President Reagan,
Speaker 3: he let the He let the vaccine industry off the
Speaker 3: hook in nineteen eighty six with the National Childhood Vaccine Act,
Speaker 3: and that's really when the schedule took off and we
Speaker 3: started to see these problems into the nineties. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, for anybody who's a Reagan and that alone should
Speaker 4: temper your enthusiasm for him, because it's caused a lot
Speaker 4: of harm.
Speaker 3: Agreed, I still contest the fact that he was ever shot.
Speaker 3: I think he faked it.
Speaker 4: I got to look into that one. I would not
Speaker 4: be surprised.
Speaker 3: It was. It's up there with the magic loogie theory.
Speaker 3: They say the bullet ricocheted off the limousine and hit
Speaker 3: him in the ribs. And because he said, I didn't
Speaker 3: even know I was hit. And you have to remember,
Speaker 3: this was March thirtieth, which is thirty three. There's your
Speaker 3: three to three. And it was when the the October
Speaker 3: surprise was still kind of big in the news because
Speaker 3: if you remember the hostages and Iran there four hundred
Speaker 3: and some days and an hour. Within the hour he
Speaker 3: was sworn in. All the Iranian all the US hostages
Speaker 3: and Iran were released. That was getting volume in the newspaper.
Speaker 3: After that incident, he was Ronnie. He's everybody's favorite boy,
Speaker 3: and he won the eighty four election. It was a blowout.
Speaker 3: So it's interesting you go back, you look at the numerology,
Speaker 3: the thirty three and the story of it all and
Speaker 3: the Brady Bill, right, more gun control happened out of
Speaker 3: that incident. It's an interesting dive.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I remember after nine eleven. I don't
Speaker 4: know how you how you were. But I was like,
Speaker 4: you know, oh, George Bush, he's a great president.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we got.
Speaker 4: Health these terrorists past that Patriot Act, you know. And
Speaker 4: and now you look back and you're like, oh, that's.
Speaker 3: Why we were ready to get on the plane and
Speaker 3: go over there and just kill everybody. That sounds harsh
Speaker 3: twenty three four years later, but that's what George Bush
Speaker 3: came to Fort Drum, New York a few months before
Speaker 3: we'd apply it, deployed to OIF one, and it was
Speaker 3: it was a rally, We're going to kill Saddam kills.
Speaker 3: It was when you think about it, it was just.
Speaker 4: Know. There was a couple of reasons why we went there.
Speaker 4: The Patriot Act or as far as why that all happened,
Speaker 4: the Patriot Act, and then why we went there right
Speaker 4: the oil Dick Cheney's company, and then apparently the gold.
Speaker 4: Apparently there was a lot of gold.
Speaker 3: A lot of gold, a lot of gold. People claim
Speaker 3: that we also got the body of Nimrod there out
Speaker 3: of one of the tombs.
Speaker 4: And there was some Afghanists, some big some Nephelin in Afghanistan.
Speaker 4: Apparently there was shot by some marines or something like
Speaker 4: that too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the story we heard back then in the
Speaker 3: chow halls too. The Giant there's something giant. I can't
Speaker 3: remember what he was called, but yeah, he was supposedly anenophlum.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, you know, hindsight's twenty twenty, and you know,
Speaker 4: thank God that the Internet exists. Right. It's like a
Speaker 4: lot of things. The tool can be used good for
Speaker 4: or can be used for bad, and the Internet has
Speaker 4: been I think the biggest blessing for a lot of
Speaker 4: us to wake us up.
Speaker 3: Indeed, I wouldn't be where I am today without some
Speaker 3: of the knowledge I've been able to pull from the
Speaker 3: depths of the net. We're just about out of time,
Speaker 3: so I wanted to make sure was was there anything
Speaker 3: else that you wanted to cover before we said goodbye?
Speaker 4: Well, I mean we could probably talk for about another
Speaker 4: two or three hours, I think, so, you know I did.
Speaker 4: I was going to mention this at the beginning, and
Speaker 4: I forgot a Happy Earth Day?
Speaker 3: Oh was that today?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Happy Earth Day?
Speaker 4: Happy Earth Day? Yeah?
Speaker 3: So happy true Earth Day, True Earth.
Speaker 4: Day, Yes, exactly. You know, God created the heavens and
Speaker 4: the Earth. He didn't create the solar system and the planets.
Speaker 4: Created the hens in the earth. And you know, I
Speaker 4: think for a lot of people, this this podcast is
Speaker 4: going to really, you know, install a lot of truth
Speaker 4: in their lives. It's going to wake people up. And
Speaker 4: I think it does matter. I think it matters that
Speaker 4: God's creation is what it is. It's not the lie
Speaker 4: that we've been told. And to not believe in that
Speaker 4: lie because if we're believing in that lie, what other
Speaker 4: lies are we believing in? That's right, and we have
Speaker 4: to test and prove our beliefs with everything, challenge it,
Speaker 4: and it's only going to make you stronger in the end.
Speaker 3: Amen. And one thing I failed to mention in your
Speaker 3: email was in your proofs you had mentioned the stars
Speaker 3: are exactly the same in the sky as they were
Speaker 3: five thousand years ago when the Egyptians mapped the constellations,
Speaker 3: or even bigger, the fact that we see the same
Speaker 3: stars in the winter as the summer, when they should
Speaker 3: be on the other side of the suns seeing a
Speaker 3: whole new set. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Eddie Bravo, if you look up Eddie Bravo does
Speaker 4: a funny little rant about that ladder one there about
Speaker 4: the stars being the same in the summer.
Speaker 3: The summer in the winter, it's.
Speaker 4: Like, is there really a solar system out there or not? Like,
Speaker 4: what are we talking about here? It's really just common sense.
Speaker 3: I think at the end of the day, it really is.
Speaker 3: And hopefully we can get more people to wake up,
Speaker 3: because if we break the glass on this, so to speak,
Speaker 3: I think we can make headway with everything else. Brother
Speaker 3: hy Man, God bless you. Thank you so much for
Speaker 3: your time, and did you have any closing words?
Speaker 4: A man, just again, thank you so much for having
Speaker 4: me keep doing what you're doing. George really love your podcast,
Speaker 4: and yeah, man, God bless.
Speaker 3: God bless you. And again, Josh's email will be in
Speaker 3: the show notes if you wanted to reach out and
Speaker 3: touch base with him. And thank you all so much
Speaker 3: for your continued support. God bless you all. Keep your
Speaker 3: head on a swivel and until we meet again, my friends,
Speaker 3: we will see you.
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