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Speaker 2: now joining us, as you could expect, it isn't something
Speaker 2: that I wish we were discussing, but it is. You know,
Speaker 2: it's part of the job, and I gotta be real.
Speaker 2: I gotta be honest with you. Kentucky winning last night sucked.
Speaker 2: I give my son a lot of credit because he
Speaker 2: you know, he saw it coming. And I don't know
Speaker 2: if it really was due to him being that that
Speaker 2: upset that Kentucky was gonna win the boot Cats what
Speaker 2: he calls him, but once it kind of looked like
Speaker 2: they were in a good position and he was up
Speaker 2: already way past his bedtime watching with dad and we
Speaker 2: were big Duke Blue Devils last night. That's I mean,
Speaker 2: my son's going to be a hater just like me
Speaker 2: and hopefully make me proud. But we didn't even have
Speaker 2: to say anything. We could both kind of tell you, yeah,
Speaker 2: it looks like they're gonna win this thing. And he's
Speaker 2: sitting with me in the recliner. He looks up and says,
Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna go lay with mommy in bed.
Speaker 2: And I was like, all right, son, I get it
Speaker 2: might have been because he was tired, or maybe because
Speaker 2: like you know, he's smarter than me. I probably should
Speaker 2: have turned it off so I didn't have to see
Speaker 2: it finish. But you know, I knew going in that
Speaker 2: they could win, and I kind of felt like they
Speaker 2: would win. I talked about that a lot yesterday, just
Speaker 2: because early on in the year. The way Kentucky is
Speaker 2: built is more beneficial at this stage of the season
Speaker 2: than it is to be reliant on super young, talented freshmen. Now,
Speaker 2: I could have easily gone the other way, but that
Speaker 2: doesn't mean Kentucky doesn't deserve a lot of credit. Did
Speaker 2: Duke struggle because of their veteran Their veteran guard got
Speaker 2: hurt and didn't come back. Yeah, the giant that Duke
Speaker 2: has that I really don't know much about. I mean,
Speaker 2: I honestly I mean, I knew they had a loaded
Speaker 2: freshman class because John Shire has probably never had a
Speaker 2: freshman say no to him. I mean, has he ever
Speaker 2: missed on a recruit since he's been there. I'm sure
Speaker 2: he has. I say that sarcastically, but I feel like
Speaker 2: he gets anybody he wants. Just is effective or maybe
Speaker 2: even more effective than Coach k was doing it before
Speaker 2: he hung it up. But Ma Locke, I think that's
Speaker 2: how you say it. I mean he was, he was good,
Speaker 2: impacted the game in a major way. He was cramping up,
Speaker 2: couldn't play. So yeah, A lot of Louisville fans on
Speaker 2: the text line mentioning that as a factor, and you're
Speaker 2: not wrong, but it really doesn't. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 2: Kentucky can't control that. And even if those guys would
Speaker 2: have fout, would have been able to play without either
Speaker 2: being pulled in and out because of cramps like the
Speaker 2: Big Fella, or leaving and not coming back like James
Speaker 2: the transfer from Tulane. I mean, Kentucky still. I mean,
Speaker 2: it was a close game throughout. I think the lead
Speaker 2: got up to what twelve at one point, maybe, but
Speaker 2: not for long. It was a game throughout and Kentucky
Speaker 2: did exactly what Louisville fans wanted to see their team
Speaker 2: do on Saturday against Tennessee. And you know it, anytime
Speaker 2: Kentucky takes the floor of your Louisville fan, you'd prefer
Speaker 2: them to lose, because again, they're the rival It's how
Speaker 2: it works. Some people are way more into it than others,
Speaker 2: and I get that. But to know that you had
Speaker 2: a similar test just three days before they did and
Speaker 2: you didn't get a good grade, you didn't pass, and
Speaker 2: they did, I mean, it's it's it's tough because look,
Speaker 2: the rivalry resetting with two new coaches has made it
Speaker 2: to where you mean, again, Kentucky hopefully, I'm sure they're
Speaker 2: hopeful that the rivalry resetting with new eras taking place
Speaker 2: at the same time, it doesn't change the fact that
Speaker 2: they're they're gonna be on top. But for Louisville, it
Speaker 2: gives you a chance to say, hey, Caliperry. As much
Speaker 2: as he would lose in recent years to nobody's in
Speaker 2: the tournament, man, one thing he did pretty consistently.
Speaker 3: He beat Louisville. He was good at that.
Speaker 2: And I still feel like when it comes to the
Speaker 2: teams that are going to be put together by Pope
Speaker 2: and the teams that you saw put together by Calipari.
Speaker 2: If you're a Louisville and you're wondering, Okay, what gives
Speaker 2: us the best chance to win, I'd still say that
Speaker 2: it is Pope because there were times during the Cali
Speaker 2: era where you just knew, if they're on and those
Speaker 2: guys are playing well, you know, the four or five
Speaker 2: draft picks they've got on their team annually, it's gonna
Speaker 2: be tough to beat them because they're just loaded. Like
Speaker 2: people can act like at times, Here's the truth. Louisville
Speaker 2: has had games where they just were they were tight,
Speaker 2: and they were not ready for the moment. They were
Speaker 2: aware of how big it would be to the fans
Speaker 2: and their coach, and they didn't play well. Patino, I
Speaker 2: think he was too tight at times, he overthought the matchup.
Speaker 2: But the reality is this the biggest factor in why
Speaker 2: Kentucky and the Caliperi era really owned the rivalry is
Speaker 2: because they just had better players, more talented players.
Speaker 3: Not every year.
Speaker 2: I mean Louisville did win some, but not not nearly
Speaker 2: as much as they did. So you know, maybe in
Speaker 2: a month when these two teams do play, Louisville does
Speaker 2: beat them. I mean, it could happen, but given what
Speaker 2: we've seen from both sides this early on in the season,
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't need to say it. We all
Speaker 2: know the way it looked. And Kentucky I said it yesterday.
Speaker 2: If they won, they were going to be really obnoxious
Speaker 2: in a way that you know, we haven't heard them
Speaker 2: in a long time. And I'm sure if you work
Speaker 2: with them, and maybe you're going back and forth every
Speaker 2: day at your job, or maybe it's a family member,
Speaker 2: it's an in law, you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: I'm sure there are many people listening right now that
Speaker 2: are on one side of the rivalry or the other side.
Speaker 2: And when you think of the rival you probably have
Speaker 2: somebody in your life. Maybe it's a close for and
Speaker 2: maybe it's a loved one, or maybe it's somebody you hate.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but like you know, you want to
Speaker 2: avoid them when it doesn't go your way in the rivalry,
Speaker 2: and you can't wait to see them if if it
Speaker 2: does go your way.
Speaker 3: It's just how it works and I wouldn't have it
Speaker 3: any other way.
Speaker 2: So you know they're they're they're probably on a new
Speaker 2: level of obnoxiousness. But I'd say part of that obnoxiousness
Speaker 2: is because they're winning the breakup.
Speaker 3: They are.
Speaker 2: It was a breakup, it was mutually beneficial for both sides.
Speaker 2: But I would say, and like a lot of breakups,
Speaker 2: you're gonna be keeping tabs on the how the ax
Speaker 2: is doing in their new life and their new pursuit.
Speaker 2: And you know, Cal is, no, he's not doing terrible.
Speaker 2: Maybe they end up being really good this year. But
Speaker 2: in the very early stages of this season, Kentucky has
Speaker 2: made a statement. And Cal had one game against a
Speaker 2: good team and lost in that team that you know,
Speaker 2: I think is good. Baylor's a good team, but they
Speaker 2: were coming off a fifty point beat down Tiggnzaga earlier
Speaker 2: in the week. So so far, Kentucky's got the lead
Speaker 2: in the breakup and I really don't see that changing.
Speaker 2: I wish I could say otherwise, because I'm not like
Speaker 2: a Caliperry fan, but like now that he's not coaching Kentucky,
Speaker 2: like I don't care. If Arkansas is good and in
Speaker 2: fact it ribs Kentucky fans, then hell yeah, let's go Cal.
Speaker 3: Like I don't care. I'm Petty. That's what this is.
Speaker 2: Let's not act holier than now. But I don't believe
Speaker 2: Cow's gonna do well there. He's not going to be terrible,
Speaker 2: But like I think he'll probably have, you know, top
Speaker 2: six seven type teams at Arkansas in the SEC. He'll
Speaker 2: have some years where maybe he's better than that, or
Speaker 2: maybe eleve a year where they're like a bubble team,
Speaker 2: because the ceiling in Arkansas is not as high for
Speaker 2: him as it was in Kentucky, and the floor is
Speaker 2: lower there than it was at Kentucky.
Speaker 3: Now again, I mean.
Speaker 2: The early upsets were exactly what you don't want, losing
Speaker 2: to Saint Peter's in Oakland. But in those years, you
Speaker 2: were playing those teams in the first round because you
Speaker 2: had really good regular seasons, and that's part of the
Speaker 2: story obviously, but you know, it makes it even worse
Speaker 2: when you lose to those teams. So again I think
Speaker 2: I stand by that. Maybe I'm wrong and Tom will
Speaker 2: tell if I'm right or wrong here, but I think
Speaker 2: the ceiling is not as high and the floor is
Speaker 2: a lot lower actually at Arkansas, and the chances of
Speaker 2: him really going down to Fayetteville and just you know,
Speaker 2: being the guy he was in his first five years
Speaker 2: in Lexington. The only scenario that was going to happen
Speaker 2: would be if he reinvented himself. He no longer was
Speaker 2: the stubborn guy who just wanted to, you know, do
Speaker 2: it his way so he could ultimately have the I
Speaker 2: told you so, how you like me?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: You said I couldn't win this way. You said we
Speaker 2: needed to recruit more Kentucky kids. You wanted me to
Speaker 2: get more shooters. You know, we did it my way,
Speaker 2: dribble drive like he wanted, he wanted, and he was
Speaker 2: going to die trying to prove you all wrong. I
Speaker 2: thought maybe he'd go to go to Arkansas and that
Speaker 2: would give him the ability to reinvent himself and finally
Speaker 2: make those changes. And because he's at a new place,
Speaker 2: it wouldn't be him saying he was wrong.
Speaker 3: They were right.
Speaker 2: But he's given us many examples in his early tenure
Speaker 2: there at Arkansas. He's the same dude. He's going to
Speaker 2: play the same style. He's going to be stubborn, and
Speaker 2: he's not going to have great strategy out there at times,
Speaker 2: he's just going to rely on talent to win out
Speaker 2: and sometimes that works. But sometimes it doesn't. And sometimes
Speaker 2: when you're relying on just a lot of young talent,
Speaker 2: you can lose to Saint Peter's and Oakland because talent
Speaker 2: doesn't always matter. And like last night, Duke had more
Speaker 2: talent to Kentucky. Even they would acknowledge that if they're
Speaker 2: being real, but that doesn't always matter. And Kentucky used
Speaker 2: to have to resort to playing the talent game, right, like,
Speaker 2: look at all these draft picks we got, look at
Speaker 2: these five stars we got, and I think they could
Speaker 2: slowly start to see that, Yeah, it's actually a self
Speaker 2: owned not a cell phone you know that you use
Speaker 2: to call somebody, but a self owned If you don't
Speaker 2: know what I mean, like that is you not realizing
Speaker 2: you're actually leading people to to to a joke at
Speaker 2: your expense, Like cal bragging about all these NBA guys
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four is just an invitation for people
Speaker 2: to realize, Wait a second, he's had that many guys
Speaker 2: in the NBA, Well damn, why a Final four in
Speaker 2: a decade?
Speaker 3: Geez?
Speaker 2: So Kentucky could kind of see that playing out, but
Speaker 2: that's their guy. They were gonna support him, and now
Speaker 2: you know he's gone. He left and Pope's doing it
Speaker 2: completely different. And as of now, in the early stages
Speaker 2: of these two new eras, Pope's got it working. I mean,
Speaker 2: he's only been tested by one team and they passed.
Speaker 2: So I'm jealous if you can't tell.
Speaker 3: But on the.
Speaker 2: Louisville side, I do believe that Louisville will be much
Speaker 2: better than what we saw against Tennessee when they play
Speaker 2: other good teams. I mean, I don't know that for certain,
Speaker 2: but I believe they will. And that's when we're really
Speaker 2: gonna that's when we're gonna get a better idea of
Speaker 2: what expectations should be in year one. I will stand
Speaker 2: by what I said, since the roster has put together
Speaker 2: before we saw anybody in action, before we poor these
Speaker 2: guys got the campus. I still think you have the
Speaker 2: pieces to be a good team, good enough team to
Speaker 2: make the tournament. Now will it happen, I don't know,
Speaker 2: but Tennessee loss didn't change that for me as far
Speaker 2: as that being kind of the bar as far as
Speaker 2: where I'm at make the tournament. If you go to
Speaker 2: the Bahamas and it's a bunch of butt whoopings, then
Speaker 2: we got to then we'll probably have to reset that.
Speaker 2: But the next two games for Louisville, they're probably going
Speaker 2: to be able to do what they want to do
Speaker 2: and do it well and win by a lot against
Speaker 2: Bellerman and Winthrop next week. But when they get to
Speaker 2: the Bahamas and you get Indiana, who does have a
Speaker 2: big physical presence, bollow just like Tennessee did in their
Speaker 2: front court, and clearly Indiana can look at what Tennessee
Speaker 2: did and say, Okay, we're not going to reinvent ourselves,
Speaker 2: We're not going to change our identity, but man, we
Speaker 2: got something we can work with here that we know
Speaker 2: will work to kind of stop Louisville from being effective offensively.
Speaker 2: So I'm sure they're going to implement some of that,
Speaker 2: and I hope at that point Louisville has an answer
Speaker 2: and they don't find themselves in the position that they
Speaker 2: were in on Saturday, where you've got a bunch of
Speaker 2: guys out there realizing, oh, this is the first time
Speaker 2: we're not able to really dictate this thing as far
Speaker 2: as style pace. They're back in half court, eliminating anything
Speaker 2: for any eliminating any opportunity for us to get something
Speaker 2: quick or and train position even and now we got
Speaker 2: to just go beat our guys one on one, and
Speaker 2: you didn't have the guys that could do that. Now again, Tennessee,
Speaker 2: I'm hoping they were a bigger factor in that than Louisville,
Speaker 2: but only time will tell. And I'm glad two people
Speaker 2: mentioned this on the text line when we were talking
Speaker 2: hoops earlier in the.
Speaker 3: Four o'clock hour.
Speaker 2: Tennessee made a lot of really tough shots that I
Speaker 2: feel like Louisville defended pretty well. That's not to say
Speaker 2: every shot they made or every bucket they got was
Speaker 2: hard earned, but some of them were, like especially the
Speaker 2: ones that killed any chance of Louisville gaining momentum and
Speaker 2: potentially going on a big run to get back in
Speaker 2: the game. I mean that dagger from Ziggler when the
Speaker 2: shot clock ran out when Louisville I think it just
Speaker 2: cut it to single digits early on in the second half.
Speaker 2: That was a killer, and they did that multiple times.
Speaker 2: But that's the one that stood out to me more
Speaker 2: than anything. So look with Pat Kelcey, and it makes
Speaker 2: total sense when you're at the level mid major, right,
Speaker 2: Winthrop and Charleston, the majority of the teams, not all
Speaker 2: of them, but the majority of the teams are working
Speaker 2: with the similar level of talent, right, A lot of
Speaker 2: three stars and two stars. There's a lot more of
Speaker 2: those guys than there are high majors, four stars, five stars.
Speaker 2: And that's why you know, what ninety percent of the
Speaker 2: division IE level of college basketball maybe maybe closer to
Speaker 2: eighty I guess that's mid major or lower. So when
Speaker 2: you have, you know, kind of an even level as
Speaker 2: far as talent for the most part, I mean, clearly,
Speaker 2: there's gonna be some guys that you can tell are
Speaker 2: better than most in your conference and even on your team.
Speaker 2: But it's not just you're not going to be able
Speaker 2: to just say, Okay, we've got substantially better players one
Speaker 2: through five than everybody in the Colonial Athletic Association then
Speaker 2: everybody in the Sun Belt Conference. So you can put
Speaker 2: a system in place and know that if I continue
Speaker 2: to bring in this level of a player that maybe
Speaker 2: isn't a four star, maybe doesn't have you know, McDonald's
Speaker 2: all American athleticism, but hey, he can do this, and
Speaker 2: he can do that. I can plug him in and
Speaker 2: he can execute what we need to do at that role,
Speaker 2: and we'll and we'll make it work. That makes sense
Speaker 2: to do it at that level you're at Louisville. There's
Speaker 2: gonna be teams that have talent they can just simply
Speaker 2: dictate if you're gonna be able to get into what
Speaker 2: you want.
Speaker 3: To get into.
Speaker 2: So what Pat Kelsey I'm hoping right now in practice
Speaker 2: is trying to figure out what does he have to
Speaker 2: work with offensively? What ingredients can he put out there
Speaker 2: as far as a lineup to where you can run
Speaker 2: some stuff in the half court to really get a
Speaker 2: high percentage. Look right, something that's gonna get you consistently
Speaker 2: at the free throw line, or something that you're gonna
Speaker 2: run to get somebody coming off. And look, they run
Speaker 2: action for some guys in the half court. Trust me,
Speaker 2: they do that. But you know, I don't think they
Speaker 2: need to reinvent themselves or change their identity or start
Speaker 2: over and you know, start from scratch, not at all.
Speaker 2: And they would never do that, Nobody would expect him to.
Speaker 2: But there's just gonna be times where you're in a
Speaker 2: similar situation to where you weren't able to dictate it,
Speaker 2: and you've got to figure out, you know, what you're
Speaker 2: gonna do to counter what the other teams doing defensively,
Speaker 2: and I think that there's enough when it comes to
Speaker 2: peace and you know, talent, there's some guys that have
Speaker 2: some legitimate strengths and skills that you can exploit on
Speaker 2: the other end. But figuring it out individually and then
Speaker 2: figuring out how it all comes together, that's that's a
Speaker 2: process that you know, I would hope that they're trying
Speaker 2: to figure out, but you really won't know what's going
Speaker 2: to work and what's not until you find yourself against
Speaker 2: a really good team and unfortunately, or maybe you can
Speaker 2: say fortunately, if you want to quickly see if they're
Speaker 2: getting better. They play a lot of really good teams
Speaker 2: from now until the end of this year. And I
Speaker 2: don't mean the season, I mean the calendar year. So
Speaker 2: we'll find out when they get to the Bahamas. And
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Speaker 2: The two teams are similar as far as how they
Speaker 2: want to play. But man, I feel like Kentucky's players
Speaker 2: just have better talent. Yeah, I mean I can't really
Speaker 2: say that I disagree at this point. Now, I don't
Speaker 2: think it's a mungous gap. But two things. One, we
Speaker 2: have an extremely limited amount of data to really assess
Speaker 2: that right now, because what was done against Bucknell and
Speaker 2: Wright State and Morehead State. I mean, those those were
Speaker 2: impressive performances a boy, both teams in those blowouts. But
Speaker 2: you're not really learning a whole lot. So we really
Speaker 2: just have one game where you saw two teams. You
Speaker 2: saw the two local teams here play good teams, and
Speaker 2: clearly Kentucky looked like they had better talent than Louis
Speaker 2: and they probably do deep down. But as far as
Speaker 2: how big that gap is, we'll find out soon enough.
Speaker 2: Like Andrew Carr, you know, he's a really good back
Speaker 2: to the basket player for Kentucky that that you know,
Speaker 2: was a good ACC player.
Speaker 3: What I put.
Speaker 2: Him ahead of case in pryor Night in and Night Out,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think actually, despite being similar in
Speaker 2: size and position, they're they their strengths are totally different.
Speaker 2: You know, I thought Jackson Robinson was a guy that
Speaker 2: might have maybe the most NBA talent NBA upside between
Speaker 2: the two rosters Louisll and Kentucky. Last night, he looked like,
Speaker 2: you know, he was just out there hiding. I mean,
Speaker 2: he didn't do with anything. He played twenty seven minutes
Speaker 2: and did not produce anything at all, just taking up
Speaker 2: one of the five spots that you have to have
Speaker 2: filled on the floor. So again, we're going to continue
Speaker 2: to probably assess it every day, and that's what we
Speaker 2: do around here. But when we really get a feel
Speaker 2: for that loss to Tennessee, was it more about Tennessee
Speaker 2: or more about Louisville. The next chance to kind of
Speaker 2: you know, reset that and see how we feel will
Speaker 2: be when they play Indiana in the Battle for Atlantis,
Speaker 2: which again is not too far from now. All right,
Speaker 2: quick break, we'll come back on the other side. The committee,
Speaker 2: they made it clear that one loss big ten teams
Speaker 2: with you know, no resume to speak of, they're getting
Speaker 2: the benefit of the doubt over SEC teams that have
Speaker 2: two losses. But outside of those two losses, they also
Speaker 2: have really good wins that some of these Big ten
Speaker 2: teams don't have. So I don't know, hard for me
Speaker 2: to say the committee got it wrong or right, because
Speaker 2: again it's you really know that at the end, but
Speaker 2: a lot of question marks surrounding some of these rankings
Speaker 2: as far as where teams came in, So we'll talk
Speaker 2: about that next.
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Speaker 2: It's one of those instances where I'm actually happy we
Speaker 2: don't have a live video stream simulcast of the show.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'd like to do that, but I heart
Speaker 2: won't let me, and I understand why. But if I
Speaker 2: was on video there, it would have been really embarrassing
Speaker 2: because I don't know what you would call what I
Speaker 2: was just doing there. In my mind, I was dancing.
Speaker 2: I was, you know, trying to find some rhythm that
Speaker 2: doesn't exist within this frame of on. But if people
Speaker 2: just turned on, you know, maybe we were on a
Speaker 2: television station, or maybe we were just on a stream
Speaker 2: on YouTube or Facebook or whatever, people just like tuned
Speaker 2: in and saw what I was doing, they probably would
Speaker 2: think I was having a medical emergency, because that wasn't
Speaker 2: that wasn't dancing. But you know, sometimes the sometimes the
Speaker 2: you know, you just can't help it. Music will bring
Speaker 2: certain things out of you. Yeah, and I don't know
Speaker 2: what you just play, but those were good vibes, something
Speaker 2: about like early mid two thousands dance music. It's just
Speaker 2: always gets me kind of hype, you know.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, good era, no doubt. Yeah absolutely. I'm not
Speaker 3: a dancer either.
Speaker 4: It's it's always when I see people actually like that
Speaker 4: have rhythm and like know what they're doing. I can,
Speaker 4: I can jiggy a little bit, you know, I can
Speaker 4: run back and forth.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: It's like Fat Joe said, we we don't need to
Speaker 4: just pull up our pants the rock away.
Speaker 2: You know, is that Fed Joe who has the line
Speaker 2: about gangs just don't dance with boogie or is that
Speaker 2: a different song.
Speaker 4: I have Gangsters don't dance, We just pus And that's
Speaker 4: a good song by the way, too, it's great stuff.
Speaker 3: I can't make you play that next.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we could possibly do that. That's a good one.
Speaker 4: Probably see me Dan listen. I couldn't cut a rug
Speaker 4: even if I had a giant pair of scissors, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Do you know who I could see being like just
Speaker 2: with and I know a lot of people listening don't
Speaker 2: don't know the company man personally, and a lot of
Speaker 2: people listening don't know any of us personally. But you know,
Speaker 2: you probably don't know what John looks like unless you're
Speaker 2: a stalker and went and looked him up on Twitter
Speaker 2: or Facebook. And if so, I'm sure you like what
Speaker 2: you saw. He's a handsome young man. Sure, and that's right,
Speaker 2: And congrats on the sex.
Speaker 3: John.
Speaker 2: He just announced that he's having a baby. He's I mean,
Speaker 2: he's not having the baby. His wife is you know
Speaker 2: what works four? Yeah, so it's true.
Speaker 3: You never know.
Speaker 2: But John, the company man himself, I could just see
Speaker 2: like if this scenario played out, I wouldn't be as
Speaker 2: shocked as some of you might think.
Speaker 3: Who know John?
Speaker 2: And what I'm going to say is this, Let's just
Speaker 2: say we're at a company function. Let's say they bring
Speaker 2: the Christmas party back here to iHeart. Oh they took
Speaker 2: it away a long time ago. But let's say they
Speaker 2: brought it back and we're at you know, some some
Speaker 2: establishment where we've we've rented it out. We got a
Speaker 2: DJ in there, our own DJ, of course, because that's
Speaker 2: what we do. We bring the vibes with music and
Speaker 2: of course spoken word like our talk station here. But
Speaker 2: and you know, you're seeing people out there dance and maybe,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe Tony Venetti's showing us what it looked
Speaker 2: like when he was at Toy Tiger in the nineties.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe Terry's he's more of a ballroom dancer. I
Speaker 2: don't know, Like, ma, I don't are you never like
Speaker 2: things that wouldn't really shock you. But I could see,
Speaker 2: you know, going in like now, there's no way John
Speaker 2: is out there dancing. That's just not really his bag.
Speaker 2: It's not really his personality. But what if he went
Speaker 2: out there and he was the best dancer on the
Speaker 2: team in our company, no doubt. Like again, the initial
Speaker 2: shock would be there, but then you're like, you know what,
Speaker 2: he's a sneaky son of but you know what, like
Speaker 2: he of course he's had that in his bag the
Speaker 2: whole time and didn't tell us. Of course he's a
Speaker 2: phenomenal dancer. I could be wrong, but you know.
Speaker 4: You're just looking like Fred Astaire and Slash Chris Brown
Speaker 4: out there.
Speaker 2: That's quite the mix there, Like, I don't know if
Speaker 2: he'd live up to that, but again, maybe he's a
Speaker 2: special guy.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 2: So college football playoff rankings came out last night and
Speaker 2: the updated top five Oregon number one, undefeated of course,
Speaker 2: Ohio State number two at eight and one, Texas at
Speaker 2: eight and one at number three, Penn State at eight
Speaker 2: and one, number four. Five is Indiana coming in in
Speaker 2: the top five for the first time. They were undefeated
Speaker 2: at ten and oh After them, it's byu at nine
Speaker 2: and zero, and then rounding out the top ten, you've
Speaker 2: got eight and one, Tennessee at number seven, Notre Dame
Speaker 2: eight and one at number eight. Miami falls of course,
Speaker 2: they took their first loss of the season against Georgia Tech.
Speaker 2: They're now nine to one. They fall from number four
Speaker 2: to number nine, and then Alabama comes in at number ten.
Speaker 2: Your first two loss team ranked is the Alabama Crimson Tide.
Speaker 2: So I don't really like looking at that and seeing
Speaker 2: how it's laid out. Nothing jumps out at me as
Speaker 2: far as like wow, can you believe they did this
Speaker 2: or did that? But if you really consider just the
Speaker 2: facts here, this is where I feel like the benefit
Speaker 2: of the doubt because when I you know, the reason
Speaker 2: I keep bringing up benefit of the doubt is because
Speaker 2: you have to decide based off of just your opinion
Speaker 2: and what you think knowing you can't prove it, Knowing
Speaker 2: you can't pull a metric or a fact that that
Speaker 2: justifies it where everybody understands and agrees. It's just that's
Speaker 2: not possible. So one of the things that the committee
Speaker 2: can do that I think would actually, you know, it wouldn't.
Speaker 2: It wouldn't minimize the complaining and the griping, but it
Speaker 2: would just be people realize, like when they come on
Speaker 2: and I say they because it's not the same person
Speaker 2: every year. This year, I think it's Ward Manual, who's
Speaker 2: the ad of Michigan. He's the he's the spokesperson for
Speaker 2: the committee. He talks after each of these rankings are
Speaker 2: unveiled every Tuesday and tries in his best way to
Speaker 2: justify what they're deciding to do. But if he just
Speaker 2: you know, mentioned he can continue to mention what he mentions,
Speaker 2: but always emphasize after you say how you got there, emphasize,
Speaker 2: this is what we believe, this is what we think.
Speaker 2: Because it's gonna come down too strictly you using your
Speaker 2: eyeballs and just assuming that this team is better than
Speaker 2: that team. There's no way of knowing, Like there's no
Speaker 2: perfect science to it, and that's not I don't say
Speaker 2: that to defend the committee because I still think at
Speaker 2: times they make decisions that are kind of, you know,
Speaker 2: a head scratcher. But if they just tell us, among
Speaker 2: the many factors they take into consideration, one of the
Speaker 2: factors is just simply their opinion, and their opinion matters
Speaker 2: when nobody else does. That's just how it works. Like
Speaker 2: everybody wants justification based off of some flawless process that
Speaker 2: doesn't exist. They just collectively have to decide where to
Speaker 2: slot certain teams and it's based off of their opinion,
Speaker 2: not any proof. Another thing that they could do that
Speaker 2: I don't think they're doing, is they could they like
Speaker 2: I don't maybe they don't realize this or maybe they're
Speaker 2: just you know, trying to do it more so, you know,
Speaker 2: ethically and not because they can rank whoever they want
Speaker 2: wherever they want, from you know, one through I don't know, twelve,
Speaker 2: Like you can give us the top twelve, maybe the
Speaker 2: top fifteen, and then you can rank everybody else in
Speaker 2: whatever order. Justifies why teams one through twelve or fifteen
Speaker 2: rank where they are. And they don't do that, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like you can justify, well, we
Speaker 2: have this team here because they beat number nine. Well
Speaker 2: they're number nine only because you say so, Like you
Speaker 2: have the ability to put the puzzle together to an
Speaker 2: extent and then piece it together the rest of the
Speaker 2: way to where people are still going to complain about it.
Speaker 2: But like, you know, I just I don't think that
Speaker 2: they There's no perfect way to do it. You could
Speaker 2: put the most respected college football minds on a committee.
Speaker 2: You know, they aren't ads and principles and chancellors at schools,
Speaker 2: and they'd still get criticized for what they're doing. There's
Speaker 2: no perfect way to do it. But the committee I
Speaker 2: think at times doesn't help themselves as far as as
Speaker 2: far as you know, make it clear that like maybe
Speaker 2: these aren't the best people to make this decision. Like
Speaker 2: the fact that they're all sent iPads to watch compressed
Speaker 2: and condensed versions of games gives you the indication that
Speaker 2: they're not even watching college football other than their team
Speaker 2: in the school they work for, which I feel like
Speaker 2: that shouldn't be somebody that's on a committee. But you
Speaker 2: know what, they have really important jobs. We're talking about
Speaker 2: presidents and athletic directors at big time universities. They don't
Speaker 2: have time to sit on their couch and watch football
Speaker 2: all hours of the.
Speaker 3: Day like some of us do.
Speaker 2: So again, they're in position within college sports to where
Speaker 2: it makes sense that they're there, but also, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe put somebody in that spot that you do trust
Speaker 2: is truly objective that that's the only thing they're doing.
Speaker 2: The only thing they're doing is watching college football to
Speaker 2: get a better feel for who's good, who's not, who
Speaker 2: belongs to where. It's just like the NAA tournament. I
Speaker 2: rag on Joelnardi all the time because you know, one,
Speaker 2: he's wrong a lot. However, he's been pretty good in
Speaker 2: recent years. I'll give him that. Also though ESPA and
Speaker 2: makes you think that he has a factor and who
Speaker 2: gets in the tournament when he doesn't. I mean, the
Speaker 2: ACC had Joelnardi come and talk to the basketball coaches
Speaker 2: in the league at the spring meetings to give them
Speaker 2: a better understanding of how they can get more teams
Speaker 2: in the tournament, which is so stupid. Joelnardi does not
Speaker 2: decide he does have any involvement in he say so
Speaker 2: at all and who makes the tournament. But because he's
Speaker 2: in your face every night on ESPN, people think that
Speaker 2: it's really insane to me that like nobody ever just thinks, well, okay, cool,
Speaker 2: that he's got a bracket, but it's not the real
Speaker 2: one and he doesn't have any say so. So again,
Speaker 2: as much as it sounds like I just crapped on Lonardi,
Speaker 2: he's probably a better guided to give us a bracket
Speaker 2: then you know, the dean of admissions at Rutgers, And
Speaker 2: I'm sure that's not somebody that's actually on the But again,
Speaker 2: we're talking about people who not to say that they
Speaker 2: don't have the mental capacity and they're not smart enough,
Speaker 2: but they're doing a lot of other stuff. How about
Speaker 2: somebody who literally that's their only job is to continuously
Speaker 2: assess the field and determine who gets in. But anyways,
Speaker 2: that that's my rant for the day. But here are
Speaker 2: some things that just, you know, I understand why there's
Speaker 2: a lot of criticism for when it comes to these
Speaker 2: updated rankings. One lost Penn State is ranked number four
Speaker 2: ahead of number five Indiana.
Speaker 3: Who's undefeated.
Speaker 2: Those two Big ten teams have let's see, they have
Speaker 2: as many top twenty five wins. Indiana and Penn State
Speaker 2: have as many top twenty five wins as I do,
Speaker 2: and I don't play football. I'm not a football team.
Speaker 2: Now that's not their fault, but like you're giving them
Speaker 2: the benefit of the doubt. There's nothing on your resume,
Speaker 2: Penn State or Indiana that says they are worthy of
Speaker 2: being where they are, So again, you're just having that
Speaker 2: you're guessing. I mean, there are let's see here three
Speaker 2: two loss SEC teams Alabama, Georgia, and Ole Miss And
Speaker 2: there's several spots behind those teams that just mentioned, and
Speaker 2: I mean, let's see trying to pull up the actual
Speaker 2: number here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so.
Speaker 2: Against current top twenty five teams, Alabama is four and one,
Speaker 2: George's two and two, Ole Misses two and one. So
Speaker 2: all those teams, again, they have either a loss or
Speaker 2: two losses, which is either one or two more than
Speaker 2: Indiana and Penn State. But they also have wins that
Speaker 2: prove something that have real value. And I'm not saying
Speaker 2: that the committee should should take Penn State in Indiana
Speaker 2: and put them outside the top ten and just you know,
Speaker 2: pimp out the SEC. But I'd be a liar also
Speaker 2: if I told you that I feel like those wins
Speaker 2: that Alabama has again, Alabama's four and one, against the
Speaker 2: top twenty five. George is two and two. Like again,
Speaker 2: losses are a factor, but you can't have no losses
Speaker 2: or one loss and no wins to speak of and
Speaker 2: be sitting comfortable in the top five.
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess you can. Again, the committee did it,
Speaker 3: but I again I don't. I'm not. I don't want to.
Speaker 2: Advocate for the SEC because you know the hell of them.
Speaker 2: But I'm not going to lie to you and act
Speaker 2: like I think Penn State and Indiana are definitively better
Speaker 2: five spots better than some of these. You know, some
Speaker 2: of these SEC teams. And here's where the here's where
Speaker 2: the committee is inconsistent. And I'm just giving you some
Speaker 2: things that you know. Some would say it's nitpicking, but
Speaker 2: if you really think about it, I don't think it's nippicking.
Speaker 2: It's legitimately a question like how did you come up
Speaker 2: with this? Texas they're ranked number three and they have
Speaker 2: one loss. By the way, they're not undefeated. Texas is
Speaker 2: number three with one loss to Georgia, which is not
Speaker 2: a bad loss, but you did lose at home. But
Speaker 2: you know how many victories against the top twenty five.
Speaker 2: Texas has.
Speaker 3: None?
Speaker 2: None Texas. Their best win is among these teams five
Speaker 2: and five, Michigan, six and four, Vandy six and three,
Speaker 2: Colorado State, five and four Louisiana Monroe. So why did
Speaker 2: Texas get the benefit of the day with one loss
Speaker 2: and no wins to speak of? But you know Ole
Speaker 2: Miss didn't, Alabama really didn't. And I know they have
Speaker 2: two losses, but like a two loss Bama has a
Speaker 2: much better resume than a one loss Texas. So again,
Speaker 2: there's no perfect way to do it. Sometimes you're just
Speaker 2: gonna have to acknowledge this is what we feel, but
Speaker 2: be ready to try to justify that when asked. And
Speaker 2: I don't know how you can justify why Texas got
Speaker 2: the benefit of the doubt at this point and the
Speaker 2: others didn't. So again, I know it'll all work itself out,
Speaker 2: and at that point, you know it's gonna be quite
Speaker 2: clear who belonged in and who didn't. There probably will
Speaker 2: be a couple teams left out that feel like they
Speaker 2: got screwed, but one that probably won't be the reality
Speaker 2: of the situation. And either way, you know it's there's
Speaker 2: always gonna be some teams left out that just don't
Speaker 2: make it. They don't put everybody in. They only put
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