WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.480 --> 00:00:03.319 All right, let's get at drive time Tuesday afternoon, twelve 2 00:00:03.359 --> 00:00:06.160 minutes past the hour of two o'clock. It is a 3 00:00:06.280 --> 00:00:09.000 Chamber of Commerce Salt Lake City day. Outside it's about 4 00:00:09.039 --> 00:00:12.800 seventy five degrees clear and sunny here in downtown Salt 5 00:00:12.880 --> 00:00:15.759 Lake City, Utahs. We have turned our calendars to June, 6 00:00:15.759 --> 00:00:19.079 but it feels more springish outside. But as it is 7 00:00:19.120 --> 00:00:21.800 every single day, it's gonna have you along for the 8 00:00:21.879 --> 00:00:22.640 riots fence check. 9 00:00:22.640 --> 00:00:23.280 It's beyond the mic. 10 00:00:23.440 --> 00:00:27.839 Porter Larsen behind the glass, producing the program, booking the program. 11 00:00:27.879 --> 00:00:31.120 Today we are one day away from the battle for. 12 00:00:31.239 --> 00:00:32.320 Lord Stanley's Cup. 13 00:00:32.359 --> 00:00:36.679 The Stanley Cup Finals between Edmonton and Florida. Rematch gets 14 00:00:36.759 --> 00:00:40.159 rolling tomorrow. Then the NBA Finals will start on Thursday. 15 00:00:40.159 --> 00:00:43.479 Friendly reminder, we are your home of well not just 16 00:00:43.520 --> 00:00:45.759 the NBA and the Stanley Cup Finals, but all the 17 00:00:45.759 --> 00:00:49.920 biggest and best sporting events out there here on ESPN 18 00:00:49.960 --> 00:00:51.880 seven hundred. So if you're looking to listen to either 19 00:00:51.880 --> 00:00:54.520 it Stanley Cup Finals or the NBA Finals, we are 20 00:00:54.560 --> 00:00:57.119 your home for that. So we'll get you ready for 21 00:00:57.200 --> 00:01:01.000 both those series as we are the e of the 22 00:01:01.079 --> 00:01:03.920 night before Stanley Cup and then forty eight hours away 23 00:01:03.920 --> 00:01:07.239 from the NBA stuff breaking news right out of the gates. 24 00:01:07.319 --> 00:01:10.599 The New York Knicks have fired Tom Thibodeau after by 25 00:01:10.640 --> 00:01:12.640 far the best run that the team has had in 26 00:01:12.640 --> 00:01:13.719 twenty five years. 27 00:01:14.120 --> 00:01:15.719 I will get into that on the show today. 28 00:01:15.959 --> 00:01:17.879 Have some good NBA guests to talk about that on 29 00:01:17.920 --> 00:01:20.959 the show today, and the day after Austin Ainge was 30 00:01:21.000 --> 00:01:24.599 introduced as the new basketball excuse me, president of basketball 31 00:01:24.640 --> 00:01:27.560 operations for the Utah Jazz, will kind of react to 32 00:01:27.560 --> 00:01:30.439 some of the things Austin had to say yesterday, his 33 00:01:30.599 --> 00:01:33.400 response to a very very good question posed to him 34 00:01:33.439 --> 00:01:37.000 by our very own Shoan O'Connell about potentially tanking next year. 35 00:01:37.680 --> 00:01:41.120 Austin with a dynamite SoundBite, and no part of me 36 00:01:41.159 --> 00:01:44.480 believes he's telling the truth. We'll talk about why trying 37 00:01:44.519 --> 00:01:46.640 to win as mini games possible next year as an 38 00:01:46.640 --> 00:01:49.920 exercise and futility for a roster with not a lot 39 00:01:49.920 --> 00:01:52.519 of talent. It's great that you've locked in a front 40 00:01:52.519 --> 00:01:54.439 office you believe in. It's great that you've locked in 41 00:01:54.480 --> 00:01:56.799 a head coach that you believe in. If you don't 42 00:01:56.840 --> 00:01:58.879 have players, it doesn't matter who's coaching your team or 43 00:01:58.920 --> 00:02:01.120 who your general manager is, who your president is, who 44 00:02:01.159 --> 00:02:02.000 your CEO is. 45 00:02:01.959 --> 00:02:02.879 Who your owner is. 46 00:02:03.280 --> 00:02:05.280 If you do not have players, you are in trouble, 47 00:02:05.280 --> 00:02:07.799 and the Jazz just don't. So we'll get into a 48 00:02:07.799 --> 00:02:10.280 bunch of it on the show today Bobby Mark setting 49 00:02:10.280 --> 00:02:13.960 out his Jazz offseason spreadsheet. It will kind of dig 50 00:02:14.000 --> 00:02:16.000 into a little bit kind of understand what the Jazz 51 00:02:16.039 --> 00:02:19.800 can do this offseason and why next offseason is probably 52 00:02:19.879 --> 00:02:23.400 the more likely situation of when they can actually add 53 00:02:23.400 --> 00:02:25.560 talent that would make them a little bit more viable 54 00:02:26.080 --> 00:02:29.199 than clearly the fifteenth best roster in the West so 55 00:02:29.360 --> 00:02:30.759 far this year and. 56 00:02:30.919 --> 00:02:33.120 Entering next year. So we'll get into it on the 57 00:02:33.120 --> 00:02:33.719 show today. 58 00:02:33.800 --> 00:02:37.039 For Johnny Bryant is already being discussed as the next 59 00:02:37.080 --> 00:02:39.680 head coach of both the New York Knicks and the 60 00:02:39.680 --> 00:02:42.879 Phoenix Suns. Some other names are out there. I think 61 00:02:42.919 --> 00:02:44.960 you're gonna hear a lot of Jay Wright. I think 62 00:02:44.960 --> 00:02:46.759 you're gonna hear a lot of Michael Malone, who is 63 00:02:46.840 --> 00:02:51.520 a New Yorker by trade. Interesting news cycle this year 64 00:02:51.599 --> 00:02:54.800 as it pertains to coaching in pro basketball, where some 65 00:02:55.039 --> 00:02:57.919 really really good coaches who have done a really really 66 00:02:57.919 --> 00:03:01.719 good job lost their jobs. Most of the former coaches 67 00:03:01.719 --> 00:03:04.599 of the year are out out of work. Luckily, these 68 00:03:04.599 --> 00:03:07.960 guys signed contracts where Tom Thibodeau has an extension that 69 00:03:08.080 --> 00:03:10.080 goes through twenty twenty eight and the Knicks owe him 70 00:03:10.120 --> 00:03:14.759 thirty million dollars, so he'll receive thirty million bucks not 71 00:03:14.879 --> 00:03:17.080 to work, which must be nice. But a lot of 72 00:03:17.199 --> 00:03:18.800 NBA news to get to today, of course, with the 73 00:03:18.879 --> 00:03:22.840 NBA Finals, NBA Draft just over three weeks away now, 74 00:03:23.560 --> 00:03:25.719 and we have excellent coverage for you guys at both 75 00:03:25.719 --> 00:03:28.560 the first in the second round. Stay tuned as we're 76 00:03:28.639 --> 00:03:31.439 kind of locking in the details, but we'll both. We'll 77 00:03:31.439 --> 00:03:33.759 do both the first in the second round after our 78 00:03:33.879 --> 00:03:36.840 afternoon drive show, So starting at six o'clock you'll hear 79 00:03:36.879 --> 00:03:40.759 live coverage of the NBA Draft. Gordy Chaser, Richard Smith, 80 00:03:40.960 --> 00:03:43.080 two guys that are in draft rooms for decades and 81 00:03:43.120 --> 00:03:46.520 decades and decades, and we'll react to the picks the 82 00:03:46.599 --> 00:03:47.080 Jazz make. 83 00:03:47.159 --> 00:03:48.919 As of now, the Jazz have five and twenty one. 84 00:03:48.960 --> 00:03:51.800 They've got a couple of second rounders as well, so 85 00:03:51.800 --> 00:03:53.840 we'll dig into it. It's all the storylines on the 86 00:03:53.840 --> 00:04:00.560 program today. RSL has a seven match winless streak, Foresman's 87 00:04:00.560 --> 00:04:04.840 cannot be added until mid July, so RSL on a 88 00:04:04.840 --> 00:04:07.800 little bit of a break, will bring in Pablo Master, 89 00:04:07.919 --> 00:04:10.879 any RSL head coach today, see our guy's holding up 90 00:04:10.960 --> 00:04:14.080 and how the progress is kind of going, to see 91 00:04:14.120 --> 00:04:16.160 if they can get back off the snide. Diego Luna 92 00:04:16.199 --> 00:04:18.480 will be with the US men's national team playing in 93 00:04:18.519 --> 00:04:21.879 the World Cup. And as Christopher Camaraanie likes to say 94 00:04:21.879 --> 00:04:24.360 on the show, RSL this year does one thing pretty well, 95 00:04:24.399 --> 00:04:28.040 They Diego Luna well, and outside of that, they don't 96 00:04:28.040 --> 00:04:31.040 do much well. So Diego's gone for about a month, 97 00:04:31.079 --> 00:04:32.839 month and a half, we'll see what Pablo has to 98 00:04:32.839 --> 00:04:35.720 say about trying to replace his production. 99 00:04:36.040 --> 00:04:38.040 Tim McMahon NBA Daily Assess Style. 100 00:04:38.600 --> 00:04:41.000 Tim sent out a tweet of his suitcase where I 101 00:04:41.000 --> 00:04:43.120 believe he has ten pairs of shoes. 102 00:04:42.839 --> 00:04:44.160 Packed for the NBA Finals. 103 00:04:45.160 --> 00:04:46.800 We won't talk a lot about that, but I had 104 00:04:46.839 --> 00:04:47.920 that kind of copy off guard. 105 00:04:47.959 --> 00:04:50.560 I didn't take Tim to be a sneakerhead like that. 106 00:04:51.079 --> 00:04:55.120 But of course we'll talk about the Austin Range media availability, 107 00:04:55.160 --> 00:04:58.279 we'll talk about offseason for the Utah Jazz, and then 108 00:04:58.639 --> 00:05:00.839 we'll get into the stuff with Tom Thibodeaux and who 109 00:05:00.920 --> 00:05:03.000 Tim thinks is going to take that New York job. 110 00:05:03.040 --> 00:05:06.720 Then obviously preview the NBA Finals. Sarah Todd, guys, the 111 00:05:06.800 --> 00:05:09.480 Red News covers the Utah Jazz. She's had some interesting 112 00:05:09.519 --> 00:05:14.480 takeaways from ultimately what happened yesterday with Austin Ainge's media 113 00:05:14.480 --> 00:05:17.720 availability and what the Jazz could do this offseason. And 114 00:05:17.720 --> 00:05:21.240 then I'll be on TV tonight with Dave Fox. Begrudgingly, 115 00:05:21.360 --> 00:05:23.920 I have agreed to do it ten thirty five. We 116 00:05:24.000 --> 00:05:26.199 call it five Questions with Spence. So Dave will stop 117 00:05:26.240 --> 00:05:29.439 by today in the four o'clock hour to enlighten, to illuminate, 118 00:05:29.480 --> 00:05:33.920 and to entertain. Pablo Mashownnie, Tim mcmaon, Sarah Todd, Dave Fox, me, 119 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:35.839 Spence check. Its all of you, the great listeners. And 120 00:05:35.839 --> 00:05:42.680 that guy Porter Larson on a Tuesday afternoon, that kazoo blowing, 121 00:05:42.920 --> 00:05:45.160 fedora wearing idiot really did it? 122 00:05:45.560 --> 00:05:46.319 He fired. 123 00:05:46.360 --> 00:05:50.480 Tom Thibodeau. I am I'm honestly stunned, and maybe I 124 00:05:50.480 --> 00:05:54.519 shouldn't be. Taylor Jenkins, Michael Malone, Frank Vogel, I could 125 00:05:54.600 --> 00:05:55.079 keep going. 126 00:05:56.480 --> 00:05:57.839 What do you think? What are your thoughts? 127 00:05:58.160 --> 00:06:01.399 Yeah, obviously when you you look at it on its face. 128 00:06:01.480 --> 00:06:05.240 Tom Thibodeau gave the Knicks what their best couple of 129 00:06:05.279 --> 00:06:09.680 seasons since twenty thirteen or or before, and then an 130 00:06:09.720 --> 00:06:11.160 Eastern Conference Finals run. 131 00:06:11.199 --> 00:06:16.480 It's hard to argue with the results. For one. 132 00:06:16.560 --> 00:06:20.000 Tom Thibodeau, I've and listen, you know this just going 133 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:21.720 back and forth with me, I've always been kind of 134 00:06:21.800 --> 00:06:23.879 lukewarm on him. I always have felt like there is 135 00:06:24.680 --> 00:06:29.240 maybe that glass ceiling different term, but an actual ceiling 136 00:06:29.279 --> 00:06:32.399 there with Thibodeaux, just based on some of his coaching styles. 137 00:06:32.399 --> 00:06:36.560 But I don't know that it was firing time. The 138 00:06:36.639 --> 00:06:39.399 one thing I'll say, Spence is that if if there 139 00:06:39.519 --> 00:06:43.680 is a particular name that they already have connection with 140 00:06:44.120 --> 00:06:49.040 and he's ready to go, and they have someone, you know, 141 00:06:49.160 --> 00:06:53.240 kind of on deck, then maybe I'm okay with it, 142 00:06:53.439 --> 00:06:56.399 Especially if his name's Jay Wright or a real good 143 00:06:56.519 --> 00:06:59.040 name that you look at on the coaching market, then hey, 144 00:06:59.439 --> 00:07:03.560 let's let's try it out while while this corus together 145 00:07:03.800 --> 00:07:07.240 and while this roster is still good. But you know, 146 00:07:08.920 --> 00:07:11.759 I very much would have been fine running back with tips. 147 00:07:12.480 --> 00:07:14.160 So we'll get into it today. We have some good 148 00:07:14.240 --> 00:07:18.480 NBA guests. I'm stunned. As I've said before, and I 149 00:07:18.560 --> 00:07:20.639 will say it again and I'll say it probably until 150 00:07:20.680 --> 00:07:23.439 it changes. The Knicks will not win a championship when 151 00:07:23.439 --> 00:07:26.800 that while that clown owns the team. The clown is 152 00:07:26.839 --> 00:07:29.480 Jim Dolan. He really does play a kazoo in a 153 00:07:29.480 --> 00:07:32.399 band that he bank rolls and makes his employees go 154 00:07:32.439 --> 00:07:34.240 see at night in New York. It's a real thing, 155 00:07:35.079 --> 00:07:37.199 So we'll get into it. Pablo mash Joiny our first 156 00:07:37.199 --> 00:07:39.240 guest to do a little RSL. 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Prize 186 00:08:50.759 --> 00:08:54.320 Picks run your game all season long, all right. So 187 00:08:54.360 --> 00:08:57.360 some I'll call it shocking surprising news. I know that 188 00:08:57.960 --> 00:09:00.679 certain people on basketball social media who think they know 189 00:09:00.759 --> 00:09:03.080 more about basketball than a guy like Tom Thibodeaux, or 190 00:09:03.080 --> 00:09:04.799 trying to dig in as to why this makes sense. 191 00:09:04.879 --> 00:09:06.600 It doesn't. It's stupid. 192 00:09:06.960 --> 00:09:09.200 Fresh off the deepest playoff round the New York Knicks 193 00:09:09.240 --> 00:09:12.039 have had in twenty five years. They fired Tom Thibodeaux, 194 00:09:12.039 --> 00:09:14.960 who's made the playoffs for the past five seasons. Over 195 00:09:15.000 --> 00:09:18.399 the past three years playoff wins number one, Boston number two, 196 00:09:18.639 --> 00:09:22.000 Denver number three, New York back to back fifty win 197 00:09:22.120 --> 00:09:24.679 seasons for the first time since nineteen ninety four and 198 00:09:24.759 --> 00:09:27.919 nineteen ninety five. Prior to that, it was nineteen ninety 199 00:09:27.960 --> 00:09:30.759 one nineteen ninety two. It has been literally thirty years 200 00:09:30.759 --> 00:09:34.200 since this franchise has won fifty games and back to 201 00:09:34.240 --> 00:09:38.600 back years. Tom Thibodeaux brought them back to relevance. They 202 00:09:38.639 --> 00:09:41.519 were ahead of schedule, as we've discussed. No part of 203 00:09:41.559 --> 00:09:44.320 me thought they had even a chance to hang with Boston, 204 00:09:44.879 --> 00:09:46.360 and let me remind you they were up three to 205 00:09:46.399 --> 00:09:49.679 one on the Celtics before Tatum's injury. Okay, this team 206 00:09:49.799 --> 00:09:53.159 was built with the idea of Boston having to break 207 00:09:53.279 --> 00:09:56.480 down their team because of luxury tax and second apron 208 00:09:56.559 --> 00:09:59.799 implications as a result of the new CBA, where the 209 00:09:59.879 --> 00:10:03.360 new ownership group in Boston next year is set to 210 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:05.960 write a check for five hundred million dollars just for 211 00:10:06.000 --> 00:10:08.360 the right to have the roster. That's not even including 212 00:10:08.399 --> 00:10:11.639 what they're paying their players, and they've got Maxi money guys. 213 00:10:11.639 --> 00:10:15.240 They've got Jalen Brown, They've got Jason Tatum, they're paying Porzingis, 214 00:10:15.799 --> 00:10:18.440 they're paying Derek White, they're paying Drew Holliday. That's an 215 00:10:18.480 --> 00:10:22.200 expensive team. And so the Knicks were kind of built 216 00:10:22.240 --> 00:10:25.480 with the idea of, Okay, maybe we'll just concede that 217 00:10:25.519 --> 00:10:27.559 Boston's really good again this year, we don't really have 218 00:10:27.600 --> 00:10:29.759 a chance against them. But next year, if Boston breaks 219 00:10:29.759 --> 00:10:31.240 it down, then we're going to be right there with 220 00:10:31.320 --> 00:10:32.039 everybody else. 221 00:10:32.440 --> 00:10:34.399 Now the Pacer has spoiled everybody's party. 222 00:10:34.440 --> 00:10:36.639 Nobody thought the Pacers would be the Eastern Conference rep 223 00:10:36.639 --> 00:10:40.480 in the final, but they are so a seriously misguided, 224 00:10:40.519 --> 00:10:43.159 stupid decision today to fire Tom Thibodeau. There's no other 225 00:10:43.159 --> 00:10:45.159 way around it. He did a remarkable job. He was 226 00:10:45.159 --> 00:10:48.440 the coach of the year three years ago. Three years 227 00:10:48.480 --> 00:10:52.840 ago they beat Boston, he undressed Joe Missoula. Now he 228 00:10:53.080 --> 00:10:55.919 was out coached, in my opinion by Rick Carlisle, and 229 00:10:56.039 --> 00:10:57.559 I have been very honest about that. 230 00:10:57.960 --> 00:10:59.360 Now Tom gets a lot of heat. 231 00:11:00.039 --> 00:11:03.159 Before not digging into his bench very much and playing 232 00:11:03.159 --> 00:11:06.320 his starters a lot of minutes, did you notice who 233 00:11:06.399 --> 00:11:07.639 was on the Knicks bench. 234 00:11:08.799 --> 00:11:10.799 Really not a lot of great options. 235 00:11:11.120 --> 00:11:14.039 Okay, so we saw Tom dust Off, Landrew Shammitt and 236 00:11:14.159 --> 00:11:17.519 former Ute Delon Wright when it came to the Indiana 237 00:11:17.559 --> 00:11:20.000 series at that point it was probably too late, but 238 00:11:20.080 --> 00:11:22.639 they do not have a great bench. They're very top heavy. 239 00:11:23.080 --> 00:11:28.399 And Leon Rose was calculated about identifying Jalen Brunson, and 240 00:11:28.480 --> 00:11:30.519 really that was as a result of what the MAVs 241 00:11:30.559 --> 00:11:33.919 did to the Jazz when Luka Doncis was hurt and 242 00:11:34.039 --> 00:11:37.559 Jalen took over as the primary offensive initiator and everybody's like, 243 00:11:37.600 --> 00:11:40.080 oh dude, is this real? Well just turned out to 244 00:11:40.120 --> 00:11:43.279 be real, and then some and then some really good 245 00:11:43.320 --> 00:11:46.720 decisions bringing in Josh Art, bringing in Ogann and Obi 246 00:11:46.799 --> 00:11:50.279 when Toronto decided they were going to yard Sail. This 247 00:11:50.399 --> 00:11:52.480 really could come down to one thing, and that is 248 00:11:52.519 --> 00:11:57.720 the caa relationship depth between Karl Anthony Towns, Leon Rose, 249 00:11:57.759 --> 00:12:01.120 and Worldwide West because car Carl Anthony Towns has known 250 00:12:01.159 --> 00:12:03.360 these guys since he was a freshman at the University 251 00:12:03.399 --> 00:12:07.960 of Kentucky, and their speculation that Karl Anthony Towns actually 252 00:12:07.960 --> 00:12:10.559 didn't like playing for Tom and Minnesota. Remember this is 253 00:12:10.559 --> 00:12:14.120 their second stop together and their speculation the cat didn't 254 00:12:14.159 --> 00:12:16.919 love playing for Tom Thibodeau in New York and Karl 255 00:12:16.960 --> 00:12:19.519 Anthony Towns is under contract and is actually up for 256 00:12:19.519 --> 00:12:22.559 an extension, and the problem is the coach is the 257 00:12:22.559 --> 00:12:24.000 one that always falls on the sword. 258 00:12:25.120 --> 00:12:26.600 You can trade players, but. 259 00:12:26.600 --> 00:12:28.919 You're not gonna cut Cat, and you're not gonna trade 260 00:12:29.000 --> 00:12:31.240 Cat unless you get a lot in return. So if 261 00:12:31.240 --> 00:12:33.720 this was a power struggle between Karl Anthony Towns and 262 00:12:33.759 --> 00:12:38.000 Tom Thibodeau, maybe Leon Brose really had no choice. This 263 00:12:38.039 --> 00:12:41.279 does reakive another misguided decision from the worst owner in 264 00:12:41.320 --> 00:12:44.440 professional sports by far, and that's James Dolan. He was 265 00:12:44.519 --> 00:12:46.960 named by Sports Illustrated as the worst owner in pro 266 00:12:47.000 --> 00:12:50.799 sports twice for owning the Knicks and the Rangers. He 267 00:12:50.919 --> 00:12:53.879 is a guy that is more focused on truly playing 268 00:12:53.919 --> 00:12:56.960 the kazoo in a band which he bankrolls with some 269 00:12:57.039 --> 00:12:59.840 of the best musicians in New York and forces his 270 00:13:00.000 --> 00:13:04.639 employees to come watch his stupid band like this is 271 00:13:04.720 --> 00:13:08.720 why since he took over it has been more or 272 00:13:08.759 --> 00:13:11.080 less a bleep show, and as long as he owns 273 00:13:11.120 --> 00:13:13.600 the team, it will be more or less a bleep show. 274 00:13:14.200 --> 00:13:17.759 And finally, they actually had gone about their business the 275 00:13:17.840 --> 00:13:21.120 right way to build this thing slowly. Leon Rose came in, 276 00:13:21.440 --> 00:13:24.679 was a longtime agent and did a good job of 277 00:13:24.759 --> 00:13:29.120 making sure that they didn't make rash decisions, making sure 278 00:13:29.200 --> 00:13:32.399 that they weren't trying to sign some aged, overpriced superstar 279 00:13:32.519 --> 00:13:34.879 like Amari Stodemeyer to believe he could be what he 280 00:13:34.919 --> 00:13:37.799 was a decade ago. They did it slowly, They made 281 00:13:37.840 --> 00:13:40.960 right decisions. They were on the right track. But today 282 00:13:41.039 --> 00:13:44.159 is a step in the wrong direction. They have personnel 283 00:13:44.240 --> 00:13:46.039 issues if they want to take the next step from 284 00:13:46.039 --> 00:13:48.720 an Eastern Conference Finals team to an NBA Finals team. 285 00:13:48.759 --> 00:13:50.879 It wasn't because of the guy coaching the team. 286 00:13:51.159 --> 00:13:53.519 It was because of their lack of depth and the 287 00:13:53.559 --> 00:13:56.399 defensive issues that present themselves when you have Karl Anthony 288 00:13:56.440 --> 00:13:57.399 Towns on your roster. 289 00:13:57.919 --> 00:14:01.320 Minnesota fans know this, so it's done. It's a dumb move. 290 00:14:01.440 --> 00:14:04.480 Okay, now, before we catch a break, I think one 291 00:14:04.519 --> 00:14:07.720 of the things that we should point out here is, well, 292 00:14:07.840 --> 00:14:10.759 I still believe the Utah Jazz have a ton of 293 00:14:10.799 --> 00:14:14.919 work to do with roster construction to even be relevant 294 00:14:15.080 --> 00:14:18.679 and somewhat competitive. And I'm not talking about being in 295 00:14:18.840 --> 00:14:21.679 close games and winning thirty thirty five games. Who gives 296 00:14:21.679 --> 00:14:24.320 a rip about that. I'm talking about getting back to 297 00:14:24.360 --> 00:14:27.720 the postseason and advancing, competing for home court, giving this 298 00:14:27.799 --> 00:14:31.120 fan base something to actually latch onto. So while I 299 00:14:31.159 --> 00:14:34.399 think the rebuild and we're yes, we're entering year four 300 00:14:34.440 --> 00:14:37.879 of the rebuild, okay, don't listen to the propagated information 301 00:14:38.039 --> 00:14:42.080 or propagated information coming out of team owned media outlets like, yeah, 302 00:14:42.120 --> 00:14:44.639 we actually tore it down for three years and it's 303 00:14:44.639 --> 00:14:46.840 only one year of No, it's not. This is year four. 304 00:14:46.960 --> 00:14:50.399 You're on the clock and it's been bad. It's been clunky. 305 00:14:50.879 --> 00:14:53.120 The draft picks so far, for the most part, have 306 00:14:53.240 --> 00:14:55.399 not been great. Now they're so young, I'm not willing 307 00:14:55.440 --> 00:14:57.679 to anoint or dismiss. Will give them time to grow. 308 00:14:58.519 --> 00:15:00.519 But I think one of the things that could turn 309 00:15:00.559 --> 00:15:04.120 out to be a really smart move by Ryan is 310 00:15:04.240 --> 00:15:07.240 locking in a front office and a coaching staff that 311 00:15:07.279 --> 00:15:10.559 you do believe in and then riding with them. Will 312 00:15:10.600 --> 00:15:14.879 Hardy was rewarded with a five year extension for winning 313 00:15:15.000 --> 00:15:19.080 thirty percent of his basketball games. Tom Thibodeau just lost 314 00:15:19.120 --> 00:15:21.840 his job after going to the Eastern Conference Finals and 315 00:15:21.879 --> 00:15:24.919 winning fifty games in back to back years. Think about 316 00:15:24.919 --> 00:15:27.679 that for a second. Will Hardy is going to receive 317 00:15:27.720 --> 00:15:30.559 a nine year runway and he's won thirty percent of 318 00:15:30.559 --> 00:15:34.240 his games. Tom Thibodeaux just lost his job after the 319 00:15:34.240 --> 00:15:36.919 most successful five year stretch the Knicks have had since 320 00:15:37.720 --> 00:15:41.639 the late nineties. Okay, so what New York did today 321 00:15:42.480 --> 00:15:45.159 is exactly why they've been treading water and running in 322 00:15:45.240 --> 00:15:48.679 circles for twenty five years. So while the Jazz have 323 00:15:48.919 --> 00:15:52.080 a mile to go, excuse me, a marathon to go 324 00:15:52.159 --> 00:15:55.600 with actually finding talent to make this team relevant, what 325 00:15:55.799 --> 00:15:58.720 Ryan has done is decided to give these front office 326 00:15:58.720 --> 00:16:02.200 people and his coaching staff a ton of security and runway. Now, 327 00:16:02.279 --> 00:16:04.879 only time will tell as to whether or not that's 328 00:16:04.879 --> 00:16:08.799 the right move, but hypothetically, theoretically speaking, it is the 329 00:16:08.879 --> 00:16:10.559 right thing to do. If you believe in your people. 330 00:16:10.639 --> 00:16:12.320 Now you've got to go find players. 331 00:16:13.120 --> 00:16:17.399 Sean O'Connell ESPN seven hundred. As someone correctly stated, it 332 00:16:17.440 --> 00:16:20.240 seems like a team in a rebuild, and some things 333 00:16:20.279 --> 00:16:24.200 were done this past season to potentially manipulate where the 334 00:16:24.240 --> 00:16:26.120 team would end up in the draft. Lot ofy odds, 335 00:16:26.159 --> 00:16:29.000 and unfortunately some of that is dependent on luck and 336 00:16:29.360 --> 00:16:31.720 the team got a little bit unlucky. So do you 337 00:16:31.759 --> 00:16:34.840 have a philosophy what is your philosophy on, for lack 338 00:16:34.879 --> 00:16:38.080 of a better term, to be in delicate tanking or 339 00:16:39.399 --> 00:16:44.919 manipulating minutes and player performance in order to achieve better 340 00:16:44.960 --> 00:16:45.679 lot of re odds. 341 00:16:46.200 --> 00:16:47.320 I won't see that this year. 342 00:16:47.639 --> 00:16:51.639 Yesterday, during Austin Ange's media availability, our very own Sean 343 00:16:51.639 --> 00:16:54.480 O'Connell the question that has made the rounds. A lot 344 00:16:54.480 --> 00:16:57.919 of people have reacted to it. Our next guest was 345 00:16:57.960 --> 00:17:00.879 also present and certainly will have some thoughts on that 346 00:17:00.960 --> 00:17:04.599 and all things related to the Utah Jazz. Two time 347 00:17:04.720 --> 00:17:08.240 Utah Sports Writer of the Year, Sarah Todd des Red News, Sarah, 348 00:17:08.240 --> 00:17:08.880 Happy Tuesday. 349 00:17:08.880 --> 00:17:09.279 How are you? 350 00:17:10.400 --> 00:17:13.319 I'm doing great. I actually was not present, so I 351 00:17:13.359 --> 00:17:17.440 should I should say that I'm actually in San Diego. 352 00:17:17.160 --> 00:17:20.279 So, sir, literally nobody knew knew that you could have 353 00:17:20.359 --> 00:17:20.839 just faked it. 354 00:17:21.559 --> 00:17:24.480 I know, Honor System. I started to feel bad before 355 00:17:24.519 --> 00:17:25.119 I even talked. 356 00:17:25.319 --> 00:17:27.680 That says a lot about you. That's I'm jealous you're 357 00:17:27.720 --> 00:17:31.519 in San Diego. But let's get your reaction and also 358 00:17:31.640 --> 00:17:34.640 whether or not you believe what Austin had to say 359 00:17:34.759 --> 00:17:40.319 that this idea of making sure certain players are encouraged 360 00:17:40.359 --> 00:17:42.759 to not show up for work in order to have 361 00:17:42.799 --> 00:17:43.799 the best lottery odds. 362 00:17:43.880 --> 00:17:46.079 Is something we will not see from the Jazz next year. 363 00:17:47.640 --> 00:17:52.799 Yeah, I mean I was just as shocked as everyone else. 364 00:17:52.839 --> 00:17:56.160 I mean not just from that comment, but google whole 365 00:17:56.160 --> 00:17:59.240 press conference. I mean the way that it started right 366 00:17:59.240 --> 00:18:02.160 off the that like Ryan Smith had some comments, Austin 367 00:18:02.200 --> 00:18:04.359 said some comments, and then they opened up the questions. 368 00:18:04.400 --> 00:18:07.559 But literally, like the first thing that Ryan said to 369 00:18:07.680 --> 00:18:10.640 reporters was, I know, everyone's going to probably have some 370 00:18:10.759 --> 00:18:14.799 questions about like organizational structure and hierarchy, and I'm going 371 00:18:14.839 --> 00:18:17.319 to clear that up right now. Like Austin is in charge, 372 00:18:17.480 --> 00:18:20.359 he has final say, he'll be giving the recommendations to me. 373 00:18:21.079 --> 00:18:24.000 And so what I would thought was going to end 374 00:18:24.079 --> 00:18:26.720 up being another confusing press conference like it was when 375 00:18:26.759 --> 00:18:29.079 Danny Age was hired, was not like that at all. 376 00:18:29.160 --> 00:18:33.519 It was very clear that they are making Austin Ange 377 00:18:34.319 --> 00:18:39.920 the most powerful decision maker in the front office, and 378 00:18:39.960 --> 00:18:45.319 so that was surprising. The second thing was that was 379 00:18:45.359 --> 00:18:52.519 surprising was that Danny Ainge by all accounts, did not 380 00:18:52.680 --> 00:18:55.400 know that this was happening. That they weren't like interviewing 381 00:18:55.839 --> 00:19:00.839 President of Basketball Operations candidates, and that it all happened 382 00:19:00.960 --> 00:19:05.240 what seemed very impulsively. So that was a second surprising thing. 383 00:19:05.279 --> 00:19:09.279 And then the final surprising thing was a very clear 384 00:19:09.359 --> 00:19:13.440 and concise you just play the audio. You won't see 385 00:19:13.440 --> 00:19:17.759 that next year as it pertains to tanking. And I 386 00:19:17.839 --> 00:19:21.680 reached out to different people within the organization and kind 387 00:19:21.720 --> 00:19:24.640 of pretty frankly like asked people like, is this real 388 00:19:24.799 --> 00:19:26.799 or we be just being told what needs to be told. 389 00:19:27.559 --> 00:19:30.160 And I was told pretty plainly, like, no, this is real. 390 00:19:31.000 --> 00:19:33.200 Now There's two ways that could go right, Like the 391 00:19:33.319 --> 00:19:37.920 Jazz could trade away enough players to wear tanking by 392 00:19:38.119 --> 00:19:42.079 manipulating injury reports and minutes and games played is not 393 00:19:42.160 --> 00:19:47.000 necessary in order for them to be bad mess or 394 00:19:47.079 --> 00:19:49.599 they will just play the roster they have and live 395 00:19:49.640 --> 00:19:53.680 with the results. But I've been told by a number 396 00:19:53.680 --> 00:19:57.000 of people that they do not plan to tank. 397 00:19:59.119 --> 00:20:03.799 All right, Well I don't believe, Okay, like I don't 398 00:20:03.799 --> 00:20:08.119 believe them. I don't believe what Austin said to be 399 00:20:08.400 --> 00:20:09.400 a truthful statement. 400 00:20:09.440 --> 00:20:10.839 I thought it was a great SoundBite. 401 00:20:11.279 --> 00:20:15.119 And respectfully, Sarah, if anybody out there is buying that, 402 00:20:15.200 --> 00:20:17.519 Danny didn't know Ryan was talking to his son about 403 00:20:17.519 --> 00:20:19.640 this job. I've got a great piece of property we 404 00:20:19.680 --> 00:20:21.920 can talk about like. There's no way that happened behind 405 00:20:21.920 --> 00:20:25.160 closed doors either. But let's operate because your sources are 406 00:20:25.160 --> 00:20:26.920 good as good as any beat writer we have in 407 00:20:26.960 --> 00:20:27.400 the market. 408 00:20:27.519 --> 00:20:28.200 You're connected. 409 00:20:28.799 --> 00:20:32.400 So if we operate off the assumption and take Austin 410 00:20:32.440 --> 00:20:35.480 at his word that next year they are going to 411 00:20:35.680 --> 00:20:39.119 put their best foot forward and not be unserious about competition, 412 00:20:39.960 --> 00:20:42.160 you tell me what that looks like in your opinion, 413 00:20:42.160 --> 00:20:45.160 because as we've talked about, and as you know, they 414 00:20:45.200 --> 00:20:48.400 have a top eight protected pick next year that if 415 00:20:48.400 --> 00:20:50.359 they don't finish in the top eight, that pick goes 416 00:20:50.400 --> 00:20:52.440 to the team that's about to win the World championship. 417 00:20:52.880 --> 00:20:55.000 But if they hold onto that pick next year, the 418 00:20:55.039 --> 00:20:58.160 first round convey turns into second rounders the year after. 419 00:20:58.839 --> 00:21:02.319 So it really makes zero sense to go all in 420 00:21:02.359 --> 00:21:04.240 on trying to win if there's a chance that you 421 00:21:04.279 --> 00:21:07.359 win thirty two games in Draft ninth and send that 422 00:21:07.400 --> 00:21:11.960 to OKAYC. In my opinion, the smart approach is doing 423 00:21:12.000 --> 00:21:15.279 everything you can to hold on to that asset, especially 424 00:21:15.319 --> 00:21:17.359 based off of where this team is in the process 425 00:21:17.359 --> 00:21:19.799 of trying to get back to relevance. So if he's 426 00:21:19.799 --> 00:21:21.960 telling the truth and they go all in and they 427 00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:23.880 try to win next year, what does that look like. 428 00:21:25.279 --> 00:21:27.319 Well, I think that's the difference is I don't believe 429 00:21:27.359 --> 00:21:29.039 that they're going to go all in and try to win. 430 00:21:29.200 --> 00:21:31.359 I think that that there is a difference between not 431 00:21:31.440 --> 00:21:34.119 tanking and trying to win, like there is a middle 432 00:21:34.119 --> 00:21:38.160 ground there, which is why I believe that if they're 433 00:21:38.200 --> 00:21:42.759 talking about, like if they're being serious about not manipulating 434 00:21:42.759 --> 00:21:46.640 the injury report in minutes, I think that you have 435 00:21:46.720 --> 00:21:49.759 to offload players from the roster in order to make 436 00:21:49.799 --> 00:21:51.680 it so that you can put your best foot forward 437 00:21:51.680 --> 00:21:54.200 and still keep that top eight pick. And so that's 438 00:21:54.200 --> 00:21:56.079 what I think it looks like. I think that it 439 00:21:56.119 --> 00:21:59.880 looks like you can't just hang on to these contracts. 440 00:21:59.880 --> 00:22:01.720 I think that the fact that you have quite a 441 00:22:01.759 --> 00:22:04.480 few expiring deals now means it's probably going to be 442 00:22:04.480 --> 00:22:08.119 easier to get rid of guys like John Collins, Jordan Clarkson. 443 00:22:08.720 --> 00:22:11.680 I think that it makes it interesting when you think 444 00:22:11.720 --> 00:22:15.079 about what kind of suitors may come calling for Walker 445 00:22:15.160 --> 00:22:18.759 Kessler or Lowry Markinen. I think that those are kind 446 00:22:18.799 --> 00:22:22.960 of more likely than they ever have been to be moved. 447 00:22:22.960 --> 00:22:26.000 That I don't mean that super likely, but more likely 448 00:22:26.039 --> 00:22:29.759 than they were previously. And so if you are going 449 00:22:29.839 --> 00:22:32.960 to make it to where the roster is bad enough 450 00:22:33.039 --> 00:22:35.960 that you don't have to manipulate it in order to 451 00:22:36.079 --> 00:22:39.000 keep that top eight pick, that feels like what is 452 00:22:39.000 --> 00:22:42.359 probably going to happen. And I agree with you, and 453 00:22:42.400 --> 00:22:45.079 I'm pretty sure at this point it doesn't even turn 454 00:22:45.079 --> 00:22:49.240 into seconds like after this year, if the Jazz don't 455 00:22:49.240 --> 00:22:52.319 convey the pick to Okay, see, the obligation extinguishes. And 456 00:22:52.400 --> 00:22:55.200 so that's even more of a reason, like don't give 457 00:22:55.279 --> 00:22:59.839 this finals team a lottery pick, because that would just 458 00:23:00.079 --> 00:23:02.839 make the Western Conference even more difficult, Like don't reward 459 00:23:02.920 --> 00:23:03.480 them when you. 460 00:23:03.400 --> 00:23:04.559 Could just keep the pick. 461 00:23:05.279 --> 00:23:08.640 And so, I mean, it just feels insane if they 462 00:23:08.640 --> 00:23:11.119 were to not go after that pick. And so if 463 00:23:11.119 --> 00:23:13.119 they're going to stand by the word that they're not 464 00:23:13.240 --> 00:23:16.160 going to manipulate things in order to get better lottery 465 00:23:16.200 --> 00:23:19.759 odds as it pertains to like performances and minutes, then 466 00:23:19.839 --> 00:23:22.079 I would expect a lot of trading to start happening. 467 00:23:22.480 --> 00:23:25.279 Yeah, well said, I do think there's a world because 468 00:23:25.880 --> 00:23:30.200 in my opinions, it's Lowry and it's Walker. Are the 469 00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:33.079 two players where you've got a little something there, Okay, 470 00:23:33.119 --> 00:23:36.079 I have questions about literally every other player on the roster. 471 00:23:36.960 --> 00:23:41.480 So if you wanted to tank and also meet the 472 00:23:41.519 --> 00:23:45.319 minimum salary floor requirements because you do have to pay players, 473 00:23:46.119 --> 00:23:49.559 then moving on from Marketing and Kessler and holding on 474 00:23:49.640 --> 00:23:52.559 to Collins, Clarkson and Sexton is something that you could 475 00:23:52.599 --> 00:23:55.799 probably look at because do respect to those three that 476 00:23:55.839 --> 00:23:59.319 are all good guys. That's the kind of situation like 477 00:23:59.400 --> 00:24:01.599 John Collins might be a perfect vet for a team 478 00:24:01.640 --> 00:24:04.519 that's not trying to win, even though you know they're 479 00:24:04.599 --> 00:24:07.480 claiming they're not going to manipulate minutes because he's making 480 00:24:07.480 --> 00:24:11.160 twenty six point five and while he's been good in spurts, 481 00:24:11.880 --> 00:24:13.880 he's fine to have on the roster because John Collins 482 00:24:13.960 --> 00:24:15.200 is not going to win you a bunch of games. 483 00:24:15.440 --> 00:24:18.519 Marketing and Kessler are good enough that if you play them, 484 00:24:18.920 --> 00:24:21.000 I don't know if they play sixty five to seventy games, 485 00:24:21.000 --> 00:24:22.839 they're good enough that you are going to win games. 486 00:24:22.839 --> 00:24:25.160 We've seen Lowry be able to do that. And Walker 487 00:24:25.240 --> 00:24:27.799 is an emerging player in this league. So what do 488 00:24:27.839 --> 00:24:29.880 you think of the potential of maybe moving on for 489 00:24:30.039 --> 00:24:33.640 market and Kessler holding on to the other veterans and 490 00:24:33.680 --> 00:24:36.119 then playing the young players a grip of minutes that 491 00:24:36.160 --> 00:24:38.319 could include four new rookies on the roster. 492 00:24:39.480 --> 00:24:42.039 Yeah, I mean, and it kind of depends on what 493 00:24:42.160 --> 00:24:44.759 kind of timeline that you're going to be looking at, right, Like, 494 00:24:44.799 --> 00:24:47.119 these are all discussions that are going to be happening 495 00:24:48.559 --> 00:24:52.880 in the very coming days and weeks with Austin Ainge 496 00:24:52.920 --> 00:24:55.759 and the rest of the front office. Like the idea 497 00:24:55.839 --> 00:24:59.079 of if you're moving on from Kessler, who is going 498 00:24:59.119 --> 00:25:03.839 into his fourth and market In, who is now kind 499 00:25:03.839 --> 00:25:08.160 of really entering the prime of his career in age, 500 00:25:08.559 --> 00:25:11.240 and you're thinking, Okay, we're just going to have like 501 00:25:11.319 --> 00:25:14.119 the contracts that you're talking about John Collins concepts and 502 00:25:14.200 --> 00:25:16.720 on the roster in order to take up money space, 503 00:25:17.079 --> 00:25:20.279 but banking on young players that we can get this 504 00:25:20.359 --> 00:25:22.400 year with the fifth pick and maybe next year with 505 00:25:22.480 --> 00:25:25.279 a top eight pick. Then you're talking about an even 506 00:25:25.319 --> 00:25:28.960 longer timeline. Obviously you'd be getting more picks if you 507 00:25:29.000 --> 00:25:32.000 were to unload Kessler and market In, and so what 508 00:25:32.079 --> 00:25:34.079 are you going to do with those? What do the 509 00:25:34.119 --> 00:25:38.000 trade and free agent markets look like down the road two, three, four, 510 00:25:38.160 --> 00:25:42.440 five years from now? And so if you were to 511 00:25:42.480 --> 00:25:45.839 move those guys, it feels like an even more elongated timeline. 512 00:25:45.880 --> 00:25:47.559 If that's what they want to do, and if that's 513 00:25:47.599 --> 00:25:49.240 that's what they feel comfortable with it, and we'll be 514 00:25:49.279 --> 00:25:51.039 more successful with the team. Like I'm not going to 515 00:25:51.079 --> 00:25:54.079 say that it's not, but just you know, it would 516 00:25:54.119 --> 00:25:58.720 be another reason to temper the expectations of fans who think, like, oh, 517 00:25:58.799 --> 00:26:00.640 he came in, he said that there's not going to 518 00:26:00.680 --> 00:26:03.359 be any tanking. This is it, We're going to go win. 519 00:26:03.440 --> 00:26:06.279 It's like, no, this actually could be a situation where 520 00:26:06.319 --> 00:26:08.599 things could take longer than expected. 521 00:26:10.799 --> 00:26:15.200 On the other side, Okay, on the other side, and 522 00:26:15.279 --> 00:26:17.799 we'll just kind of talk about possibilities, Sarah, because there's 523 00:26:17.839 --> 00:26:20.799 no way of knowing how this will go. But you know, 524 00:26:20.920 --> 00:26:24.720 even Ryan yesterday, when Austin alluded to the success that 525 00:26:24.799 --> 00:26:27.799 he and his dad had in Boston, Ryan said, I'd 526 00:26:27.839 --> 00:26:32.079 take some of that success right now. And Ryan oftentimes 527 00:26:32.119 --> 00:26:35.839 in the past, has you know, I heard Ryan talk 528 00:26:35.880 --> 00:26:38.799 about a potential Christaps Porzingis deal that he thought they 529 00:26:38.799 --> 00:26:39.440 had done. 530 00:26:39.839 --> 00:26:41.880 Bobby Mark's on my show said. 531 00:26:41.720 --> 00:26:44.079 He was told that the Jazz had a really nice 532 00:26:44.119 --> 00:26:47.039 offer for Drew Holliday Andrew wanted to go play in 533 00:26:47.039 --> 00:26:48.920 Boston because they thought they could win, and they did. 534 00:26:48.960 --> 00:26:52.039 He's an NBA champion now, so we know that Ryan. 535 00:26:51.960 --> 00:26:55.559 Has expressed in the past the desire to bring in 536 00:26:55.640 --> 00:26:58.640 really good players. I still don't know who the guy 537 00:26:58.720 --> 00:27:01.000 down there was that uttered the we are going to 538 00:27:01.160 --> 00:27:04.960 sign Paul George and trade for mckel bridges. But good luck. 539 00:27:05.119 --> 00:27:07.759 I mean, that would have been awesome. Obviously that was 540 00:27:07.799 --> 00:27:11.559 not steeped in reality. But those are the desires that 541 00:27:11.680 --> 00:27:14.559 certain people down there have. And we are entering Sarah 542 00:27:14.559 --> 00:27:18.680 and offseason where Kevin Durant and maybe Jannis and maybe 543 00:27:18.759 --> 00:27:21.720 Kat and I could keep going. I mean, I don't 544 00:27:21.720 --> 00:27:24.400 know what Phoenix does, but they've got a they've got 545 00:27:24.440 --> 00:27:26.680 a problem where they've got to try to find some answers. 546 00:27:26.680 --> 00:27:29.359 Boston has a really expensive roster. They'll probably jet in 547 00:27:29.400 --> 00:27:33.880 some players. The Jazz do not have cap space. John 548 00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:36.599 Collins is probably gonna pick up his player option. I'll 549 00:27:36.599 --> 00:27:38.240 go out on a limb there. If he doesn't, then 550 00:27:38.240 --> 00:27:41.640 we have a different conversation. Next year is the off 551 00:27:41.640 --> 00:27:43.519 season where the Jazz have very clean books. 552 00:27:44.079 --> 00:27:45.480 So next year is. 553 00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:47.680 The year that I think it's more realistic to talk 554 00:27:47.720 --> 00:27:51.319 about adding more viable pieces and talent to give them 555 00:27:51.359 --> 00:27:56.319 a better chance of competing. But is there are there 556 00:27:56.440 --> 00:28:00.839 avenues for the Jazz to add talent this offseason to 557 00:28:00.960 --> 00:28:04.799 make next year much more competitive? And if you're able 558 00:28:04.799 --> 00:28:07.279 to add a couple of really good veteran players, add 559 00:28:07.319 --> 00:28:10.839 them to these young pieces and maybe put a couple 560 00:28:10.839 --> 00:28:14.200 of players next to Larry and Walker. Is there is 561 00:28:14.240 --> 00:28:17.799 that a real scenario for the Jazz this offseason to 562 00:28:17.799 --> 00:28:20.680 add some really good veteran players and actually take a 563 00:28:20.680 --> 00:28:23.039 couple of tangible steps forward next year. 564 00:28:26.480 --> 00:28:31.400 It doesn't feel real. I agree, because even if we're 565 00:28:31.440 --> 00:28:33.799 talking about, like, you know, some of the guys that 566 00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:36.000 are on the table right now, like you're honest, right Like, 567 00:28:36.680 --> 00:28:41.559 why in any world or any scenario would Milwaukee. 568 00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:41.680 Talk to. 569 00:28:43.400 --> 00:28:46.480 Utah about the fifth pick and some of the young 570 00:28:46.519 --> 00:28:50.400 players that the Jazz have when clearly they could have 571 00:28:50.519 --> 00:28:54.880 the second pick from San Antonio and better young players. 572 00:28:55.200 --> 00:28:58.200 I just think that there are better deals and better 573 00:28:58.279 --> 00:29:02.559 situations that the Bucks would want to deal with, Like 574 00:29:02.599 --> 00:29:05.400 they're not looking to get rid of Yannis and be 575 00:29:05.559 --> 00:29:10.759 completely in the lurch with someone like Isaiah Collier who's 576 00:29:10.799 --> 00:29:13.200 not proven and probably is going to end up being 577 00:29:13.279 --> 00:29:15.640 like a backup point guard at best at this point, 578 00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:18.119 with what we know about him, Why would they do 579 00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:21.799 that if they could just get Dylan Harper and you know, 580 00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:25.960 Devin Befl or something like that. So it just doesn't 581 00:29:25.960 --> 00:29:29.000 feel like the Jazz have the players and picks that 582 00:29:29.400 --> 00:29:33.200 a lot of other teams could offer the Bucks right now. 583 00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:38.559 But I just can't get past the fact that the 584 00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:43.119 Jazz are just not in a position to be okay 585 00:29:43.160 --> 00:29:45.240 with giving up that top eight pick next year. It 586 00:29:46.000 --> 00:29:50.319 just feels irresponsible to do that, and so I don't 587 00:29:50.359 --> 00:29:53.079 see that happening. I don't see them wanting or willing 588 00:29:53.640 --> 00:29:55.680 to just give it up outright just to get a 589 00:29:55.720 --> 00:30:00.400 few more wins. But I think the biggest question is 590 00:30:00.920 --> 00:30:04.160 who is ultimately making that decision at the end, right 591 00:30:04.200 --> 00:30:06.640 Like we know that the front office hierarchy. What we've 592 00:30:06.640 --> 00:30:09.759 been told is that Austen Change is in charge. But 593 00:30:10.599 --> 00:30:14.720 like every other professional sports team, he will make a 594 00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:18.480 decision and take that decision to ownership, and that is 595 00:30:18.519 --> 00:30:21.000 where the true finals say happens. That is, with every 596 00:30:21.079 --> 00:30:26.000 professional sports organization, ownership signs off on decisions, and in 597 00:30:26.039 --> 00:30:27.880 this case it's Ryan Smith. 598 00:30:28.400 --> 00:30:30.559 And he is. 599 00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:36.640 He literally tweeted out that he was screaming outside the 600 00:30:36.920 --> 00:30:39.920 day after the lottery, Like he is emotional and he 601 00:30:40.039 --> 00:30:42.680 reacts to things as a fan. He is a fan 602 00:30:42.720 --> 00:30:47.240 of this team that he owns, and so if Ryan 603 00:30:47.400 --> 00:30:50.799 Smith wants to win, I think that that is what 604 00:30:50.920 --> 00:30:53.920 is going to push decisions. 605 00:30:54.240 --> 00:30:58.319 When it comes to the front office hierarchy. I guess 606 00:30:58.319 --> 00:31:00.720 we can only go off of what you've been told. 607 00:31:01.319 --> 00:31:05.279 Does it feel like Justin Zanik and Danny Ainge report 608 00:31:05.319 --> 00:31:08.480 to Austin Ange? Is that is that the gut the 609 00:31:08.519 --> 00:31:10.119 gut feel, is that kind of how this thing is 610 00:31:10.119 --> 00:31:11.160 going to play out? 611 00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:13.680 That's what I mean, That's what we're led to believe 612 00:31:13.759 --> 00:31:18.759 right now. Right And like if they if the president 613 00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:23.160 of basketball operations job has been open for three years 614 00:31:23.240 --> 00:31:26.759 and they haven't made any indication that they were going 615 00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:33.640 to promote Justin Zanik, and he has stayed and for 616 00:31:34.039 --> 00:31:37.079 by all accounts, happily been in the position of general manager. 617 00:31:37.119 --> 00:31:39.599 And if you're if you're there for three years while 618 00:31:39.640 --> 00:31:42.640 that job is open, I don't think that Zanik ever 619 00:31:42.759 --> 00:31:47.759 expected to have that job, you know, but it is 620 00:31:47.920 --> 00:31:50.599 it is a strange dynamic to have the new person 621 00:31:50.680 --> 00:31:54.160 come in and have everybody be reporting to them, including 622 00:31:54.240 --> 00:31:54.759 his father. 623 00:31:55.400 --> 00:31:58.880 Were you surprised that Danny was not quoted in any 624 00:31:58.960 --> 00:32:02.079 press releases nor was made available during the media stuff. 625 00:32:03.119 --> 00:32:08.240 I'm not surprised by that at all. I mean, number one, like, 626 00:32:08.599 --> 00:32:11.720 it's not shocking that they didn't make him available because 627 00:32:14.519 --> 00:32:17.480 probably posing some weird questions to him would be uncomfortable, 628 00:32:17.480 --> 00:32:19.359 So like why would they make him available for that? 629 00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:19.680 Right? 630 00:32:19.720 --> 00:32:25.799 But then also a little unfaired often, right, like if 631 00:32:26.119 --> 00:32:28.799 he just got hired at President of Basketball Operation, that's 632 00:32:28.839 --> 00:32:31.160 like the biggest job in the NBA that he's ever had, 633 00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:35.079 Like it would feel a little infantilizing to be like, Okay, 634 00:32:35.079 --> 00:32:36.240 now let's talk to your daddy. 635 00:32:38.920 --> 00:32:40.519 Okay, the way, if you put it like that, I 636 00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:44.559 guess I'm on board. What do you Okay, let's see 637 00:32:44.599 --> 00:32:48.119 how to pose this question if you got Zanik in 638 00:32:48.160 --> 00:32:51.240 an honest moment about this entire thing. And let me 639 00:32:51.279 --> 00:32:54.240 start with this. We all want to keep our jobs 640 00:32:54.400 --> 00:32:57.039 and there are not a lot of NBA general manager 641 00:32:57.119 --> 00:32:59.839 jobs out there now. Zanik at one point was to 642 00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:03.599 be the new GM in Milwaukee before that went to Horst, 643 00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:07.400 and then he was elevated after Dennis Lindsay decided he 644 00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:12.640 was not interested in working for this ownership group anymore. So, ultimately, 645 00:33:13.119 --> 00:33:16.160 I'm sure the bottom line for jay Z is I'm 646 00:33:16.200 --> 00:33:18.720 an NBA general manager and this is awesome and I 647 00:33:18.759 --> 00:33:24.279 love my job. But I wonder ultimately how he feels 648 00:33:24.279 --> 00:33:27.119 about this entire thing where it's clear that you know, 649 00:33:27.160 --> 00:33:30.039 he's part of the group but not running the show, 650 00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:32.440 maybe in a way that he thought maybe at some 651 00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:34.119 point he would be, If that makes sense. 652 00:33:34.960 --> 00:33:39.920 Yeah, I mean, like I said, he's known the score 653 00:33:40.039 --> 00:33:43.000 because he hasn't been given that promotion for three years, right, Like, 654 00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:46.559 if he thought that he was getting it then one year, 655 00:33:46.759 --> 00:33:49.480 two years ago, then it would have become clear, right 656 00:33:50.200 --> 00:33:55.839 and so, and I also think a lot about Justin's 657 00:33:55.920 --> 00:33:58.880 personal life when I think about his position. He's been 658 00:33:58.920 --> 00:34:02.839 in Utah for a long time, recently had a kidney transplant, 659 00:34:03.480 --> 00:34:07.160 learns that all of his children have the same genetic 660 00:34:09.079 --> 00:34:11.719 variant that he has that leads to the kidney disease 661 00:34:11.800 --> 00:34:15.480 that he has. So like, all of his doctors are 662 00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:19.800 in Utah, his children in high school, Like, there's not 663 00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:23.119 a lot of personal reason for him to want to leave. 664 00:34:23.639 --> 00:34:26.920 And if he's in a position where staying general manager 665 00:34:27.400 --> 00:34:31.599 and continuing to have a very lucrative and successful job 666 00:34:31.960 --> 00:34:33.960 keeps him in a place where him his family are 667 00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:34.639 not only. 668 00:34:34.440 --> 00:34:35.400 Happy, but healthy. 669 00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:38.840 I think that that plays a lot more into Justin's 670 00:34:38.960 --> 00:34:43.559 decisions and perception on his life then maybe it did 671 00:34:43.599 --> 00:34:46.840 even two or three years ago. And then in addition 672 00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:52.119 to that, there are a lot of owners in the 673 00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:59.280 NBA who are less willing to spend money and less 674 00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:03.679 willing to keep things to keep continent. I mean, look 675 00:35:03.679 --> 00:35:05.480 at what is happening in New York right now. Like 676 00:35:05.960 --> 00:35:08.159 you know, James Dolan is as sickle as they come, 677 00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:11.280 and is as horrible as they come, and they're firing 678 00:35:11.320 --> 00:35:13.159 TIBs after he just took the next to the furthest 679 00:35:13.159 --> 00:35:15.840 points they've been in over twenty years, and so like, 680 00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:17.800 things could be worse. And I think that, you know, 681 00:35:17.840 --> 00:35:20.199 if you're if you're a front office person in the 682 00:35:20.360 --> 00:35:22.760 NBA and you're serving the landscape, there are a lot 683 00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:25.239 worse places to be and where Justin Zanik is right now. 684 00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:27.519 Yeah, And you're good to bring up the personal side. 685 00:35:27.559 --> 00:35:30.440 That's something that we fail to do in this space often. 686 00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:33.719 So I appreciate that perspective. I like Justin, I'm a 687 00:35:33.800 --> 00:35:35.880 Xanta guy, and so you know, I just kind of 688 00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:37.719 wonder how this is all landing with him, But yes, 689 00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:40.079 we all want to keep our jobs, and I'm sure 690 00:35:40.199 --> 00:35:42.800 Justin is in that that space as well. So you 691 00:35:42.880 --> 00:35:44.880 brought up where I wanted to go next, which is 692 00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:48.360 and I'll start here just to reduct, you know, to 693 00:35:48.440 --> 00:35:51.159 be reductive and reduce it to really what the bottom 694 00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:53.480 line is of pro basketball, and that is, if you 695 00:35:53.519 --> 00:35:56.639 don't have players, it doesn't matter who your coach is. 696 00:35:56.800 --> 00:35:59.039 If you don't have players, doesn't matter who your front 697 00:35:59.039 --> 00:36:01.159 office is, it doesn't matter who your owner is if 698 00:36:01.159 --> 00:36:03.840 you don't have players. And the Jazz don't have players, 699 00:36:03.880 --> 00:36:08.280 they don't the Knicks do. But what happened today is 700 00:36:08.639 --> 00:36:11.760 another example of why New York has been treading water 701 00:36:11.880 --> 00:36:14.519 for twenty five years. They have a petulant owner who's 702 00:36:14.559 --> 00:36:18.800 impatient and makes ration, you know, irrational decisions without thinking 703 00:36:18.840 --> 00:36:23.159 them through. And so where I will give the Jazz credit, 704 00:36:23.239 --> 00:36:25.760 and only time will tell if this is the right approach, 705 00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:28.960 because again, if you don't have players, it doesn't matter 706 00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:31.199 who your coach is or who your front office is. 707 00:36:31.239 --> 00:36:34.480 But what Ryan is elected to do will. 708 00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:36.880 Hardy received, he's going to receive a nine year runway 709 00:36:36.880 --> 00:36:39.119 and he's won thirty percent of his basketball games. Tom 710 00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:41.360 Tibdeau was just fired after going to the Eastern Conference 711 00:36:41.400 --> 00:36:43.639 Finals and winning fifty games in back to back years 712 00:36:43.639 --> 00:36:46.480 for the first time in twenty five thirty years. So 713 00:36:46.519 --> 00:36:48.760 what Ryan has elected to do is like the anti 714 00:36:48.800 --> 00:36:51.360 Dolein approach, and that is lock in a front office, 715 00:36:51.760 --> 00:36:54.800 lock in a coach, and let's go again. Bottom line, 716 00:36:54.920 --> 00:36:57.280 you have to have players and the Jazz don't. But 717 00:36:57.360 --> 00:37:00.000 what do you make of that dichotomy where I pus 718 00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:03.519 to be uh, you know, the wrong approach from James 719 00:37:03.519 --> 00:37:06.599 Dolan for years to bring in aged you know, aging 720 00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:09.760 overpriced players and aren't ready to win, to fire coaches 721 00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:12.360 left and right, and it clearly has not worked consistently 722 00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:14.440 in New York and Ryan is taking the opposite approach. 723 00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:15.480 What are your thoughts. 724 00:37:16.920 --> 00:37:21.239 I'm long been a believer that like consistency and continuity 725 00:37:21.320 --> 00:37:24.480 when it comes to coaching is really important. Like it 726 00:37:24.519 --> 00:37:27.440 is really hard to look at some of the teams 727 00:37:27.440 --> 00:37:30.519 in the NBA and think like, wow, that's not part 728 00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:33.320 of it, right, Like you look at the turnover and 729 00:37:33.400 --> 00:37:36.679 coaching in Phoenix, the turnover and coaching in Milwaukee, the 730 00:37:36.760 --> 00:37:39.880 turnover and coaching in Philadelphia, and like now New York 731 00:37:39.960 --> 00:37:40.440 is going to do it. 732 00:37:40.440 --> 00:37:41.679 It's like, what do they. 733 00:37:41.519 --> 00:37:43.719 Expect that someone else is going to think that just 734 00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:47.280 the biggest named coach, you know, budenholz Er, Doc Rivers, 735 00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:49.719 Nick Nurse, you just like rotate those guys in and 736 00:37:49.760 --> 00:37:51.360 it's going to fix all the problems. 737 00:37:51.400 --> 00:37:54.239 Like if we're looking at New York, I would say, 738 00:37:54.320 --> 00:37:57.280 like one of their biggest problems is that, like you know, 739 00:37:58.119 --> 00:38:00.960 the Andiana Pacers could have played thirteen guys and the 740 00:38:01.039 --> 00:38:04.920 Knicks were struggling to play seven, right, like your bench 741 00:38:05.960 --> 00:38:09.840 is Landry's chant. I like, I think that there are 742 00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:15.159 problems beyond TIBs. And you know, Jalen Brunson is the 743 00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:17.280 best player on that team, and he seems like he 744 00:38:17.360 --> 00:38:20.039 had all of the conference in TIBs. And so I 745 00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:24.000 just like don't understand why you would, you know, cut 746 00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:26.000 the legs off at coaching and say that that was 747 00:38:26.039 --> 00:38:28.719 the problem. That wasn't the problem. The players weren't good. 748 00:38:28.719 --> 00:38:31.199 Enough, all right, Sarah? 749 00:38:31.199 --> 00:38:32.840 Before I set you loose, so lets you get back 750 00:38:32.840 --> 00:38:36.880 to beautiful San Diego. Have you landed on UH and 751 00:38:36.920 --> 00:38:40.000 look at Of course it depends on who's drafted before five, 752 00:38:40.639 --> 00:38:42.960 But if the Jazz stay at five, who at this 753 00:38:43.079 --> 00:38:45.239 point do you believe is best case scenario for them 754 00:38:45.239 --> 00:38:45.880 to walk away with? 755 00:38:49.559 --> 00:38:53.559 Yeah, I mean I have gone through probably five guys 756 00:38:53.599 --> 00:38:57.880 and I am I reserve the right to change this 757 00:38:58.679 --> 00:39:02.360 in two minutes as well in ten days, because I 758 00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:04.599 feel like that's how often I'm changing my mind on this. 759 00:39:06.480 --> 00:39:07.000 Right now. 760 00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:07.679 If he was. 761 00:39:07.639 --> 00:39:13.239 Available, my top choice there would be VG Edgecombe. I 762 00:39:13.320 --> 00:39:18.360 do really like Trey Johnson. I think at this point, 763 00:39:18.400 --> 00:39:24.519 like I feel like I'm out on Ace Bailey. I 764 00:39:24.639 --> 00:39:27.199 just think that, like with the fifth pick, you need 765 00:39:27.239 --> 00:39:30.920 to have someone that is that is going to feel 766 00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:34.280 like they could be a star. But also if they 767 00:39:34.440 --> 00:39:39.480 just turn into like a really really reliable role player 768 00:39:39.639 --> 00:39:41.760 that then you're really happy with that. But they have 769 00:39:41.840 --> 00:39:46.800 to have like starter potential and a little glimmer of 770 00:39:46.840 --> 00:39:50.760 hope for them being a star. And if you're looking 771 00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:54.199 at someone who has like the best two way ability there, 772 00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:56.920 I think it's VJ. But I think that's what a 773 00:39:56.920 --> 00:39:58.719 lot of other people are thinking too, which makes me 774 00:39:58.760 --> 00:39:59.920 thinks he won't be there at five. 775 00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:03.840 Well, we are a few weeks away. We'll see what 776 00:40:03.880 --> 00:40:05.599 the jazz end up doing. Sarah, thank you so much 777 00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:09.000 for the time. And Joyce San Diego, chatsoon, All right, chatsoon. 778 00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:12.239 Sarah Todd covers Utah Jazz for the des Ret News. 779 00:40:12.280 --> 00:40:15.159 She's on social media at NBA Sarah is where you 780 00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:15.800 find her. 781 00:40:16.119 --> 00:40:17.119 I want to remind you guys. 782 00:40:17.119 --> 00:40:19.760 The Live Night Events presents the twenty twenty five Granary 783 00:40:19.840 --> 00:40:23.199 Live Concerts Series powered by Nightingale College in Murdoc, Conde, 784 00:40:23.320 --> 00:40:27.000 Utah's number one Hyundai dealer. 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NBA Finals week. 805 00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:47.960 Tim McMahon, Happy Tuesday, sir, how are. 806 00:41:47.880 --> 00:41:50.320 You, howdy, partner? How you doing? 807 00:41:50.639 --> 00:41:52.679 I'm good, I'm good. So I see let's see. I 808 00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:57.280 see two Jordan eleven's. I see two Jordan threes. I 809 00:41:57.320 --> 00:42:00.599 see a Jordan four. I think that's a sick. I 810 00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:02.239 see two Jordan ones. 811 00:42:02.320 --> 00:42:02.800 How many? 812 00:42:03.280 --> 00:42:05.760 How many pairs of shoes are you bringing for this 813 00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:07.519 NBA Finals trip of yours? 814 00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:10.679 Yeah, you are looking at ten pairs. There there will 815 00:42:10.719 --> 00:42:12.480 be a pair of my feet, then there'll be a 816 00:42:12.480 --> 00:42:17.679 pair of running shoes, and there will be some Sabrina one. 817 00:42:17.840 --> 00:42:20.400 That's what I'm hooping in these days. I can't wear 818 00:42:20.519 --> 00:42:25.119 I can't wear NBA signature shoes, So I got some Sabrinas. 819 00:42:25.199 --> 00:42:26.920 Fair enough, best Jordan's. 820 00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:28.679 I did not know you were a sneaker head, and 821 00:42:28.760 --> 00:42:31.360 I am a sneaker head in recovery. I have a decent, 822 00:42:31.400 --> 00:42:33.840 not great collection, but I don't like to spend six 823 00:42:33.880 --> 00:42:37.639 hundred dollars on shoes anymore. So best Jordan's in your opinion, Yeah, 824 00:42:37.880 --> 00:42:39.199 I don't spend six hundreds. 825 00:42:39.239 --> 00:42:40.400 I like the threes best. 826 00:42:40.599 --> 00:42:43.239 Yes, I am an old school guy. 827 00:42:43.599 --> 00:42:46.519 You know. You see a lot of one stories. I 828 00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:50.960 do have some twos lows in there. I like the 829 00:42:51.039 --> 00:42:54.280 fours five. Yeah, I'm old school. I'm like back to 830 00:42:54.320 --> 00:42:56.840 the childhood type stuff. The threeses are my favorites. 831 00:42:56.920 --> 00:42:59.039 Threes is the correct answer. All right. 832 00:42:59.079 --> 00:43:01.280 I already buried the lead, Tim, because we actually have 833 00:43:01.360 --> 00:43:04.599 a big piece of jazz news to talk about. Austin 834 00:43:04.760 --> 00:43:08.800 Inge was announced yesterday as the Jazz President of basketball Operations, 835 00:43:09.280 --> 00:43:13.119 and his father, Danny, the CEO of the Jazz, will 836 00:43:13.159 --> 00:43:16.800 report to him. Justin Zenich, the general manager of the 837 00:43:16.880 --> 00:43:20.880 Utah Jazz, will report to him. So there there was 838 00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:23.639 a lot of clarity in the presser yesterday in a 839 00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:26.599 way that, quite frankly, Tim, we have not heard even 840 00:43:26.639 --> 00:43:28.239 when Danny was hired. It was kind of like he 841 00:43:28.239 --> 00:43:30.360 doesn't want to do anything day to day, so he's 842 00:43:30.400 --> 00:43:32.239 just gonna kind of hang out. 843 00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:33.280 Xanik is going to do. 844 00:43:33.239 --> 00:43:35.760 Most of the groundwork, so we actually have a little 845 00:43:35.800 --> 00:43:38.000 bit more clarity with the hierarchy of this front office, 846 00:43:38.039 --> 00:43:39.480 more so than we've had in a few years. 847 00:43:39.480 --> 00:43:40.199 What's your reaction. 848 00:43:41.719 --> 00:43:44.239 I believe that Danny Ainge is reporting to his son 849 00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:49.079 when I see it. But listen, Danny, like, he's not 850 00:43:49.159 --> 00:43:50.679 like you said, he's not a day to day guy. 851 00:43:51.119 --> 00:43:55.719 He wasn't handling the trade calls and you know down 852 00:43:55.760 --> 00:43:58.360 in admitted gritty to deal with the agents and you 853 00:43:58.400 --> 00:44:02.119 know at a GMS and whatnots been justin Xana's job. 854 00:44:02.559 --> 00:44:06.199 I think Danny's more of kind of like the senior advisor, 855 00:44:06.679 --> 00:44:12.159 almost to Brian Smith. But you know, obviously people are 856 00:44:12.159 --> 00:44:13.840 going to look at this, and I think that there 857 00:44:13.880 --> 00:44:18.039 will obviously be the initial reaction of mechanism of work. 858 00:44:18.440 --> 00:44:20.840 The one thing I would say is there is not 859 00:44:20.920 --> 00:44:26.360 a single executive in the NBA who considers often Age 860 00:44:26.400 --> 00:44:30.039 anything but immensely qualified for a position like this, Like 861 00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:32.760 he was going to be a candidate for other teams. 862 00:44:32.800 --> 00:44:34.840 You know, he's obviously been in Boston for a while 863 00:44:35.239 --> 00:44:40.280 been a significant part of building that Celtics championship team. So, 864 00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:43.760 you know, I do think that this is the addition 865 00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:49.400 of a you know, strong executive mind to the Jazz's 866 00:44:49.400 --> 00:44:51.719 front office, and he will be leading the front office. 867 00:44:51.719 --> 00:44:56.079 He ultimately is going to be the top basketball uh 868 00:44:56.239 --> 00:44:59.960 you know, executive, you know, the probably the last boy. 869 00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:05.320 And Ryan Smith's here, So I don't know exactly how. 870 00:45:05.960 --> 00:45:08.760 I don't want to speculate on how Justin Zanik feels 871 00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:12.199 about this. This is the second time somebody's been hired 872 00:45:12.239 --> 00:45:16.840 over his head by Ryan Smith, but he dealt with 873 00:45:16.920 --> 00:45:20.199 it just fine under Danny Ainge. And you know, I 874 00:45:20.599 --> 00:45:22.760 don't know how they'll divvy things up in terms of 875 00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:26.159 like trade talks and dealings with agents, et cetera, et cetera. 876 00:45:27.199 --> 00:45:29.360 I thought the most interesting from the press conference was 877 00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:33.000 his answer on the tanking question, and I thought it 878 00:45:33.039 --> 00:45:35.639 was a pretty direct answer that still managed to leave 879 00:45:35.679 --> 00:45:40.159 some wiggle room, if that makes sense. But you know, 880 00:45:41.719 --> 00:45:45.679 there was, as you might expect, a lot of reaction 881 00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:48.840 within the Jazz organization when the worst case scenario and 882 00:45:48.920 --> 00:45:52.440 also the most likely scenario is what happened in the lottery, 883 00:45:52.880 --> 00:45:56.719 and it's not just about the lottery odds, discouraging tanking 884 00:45:56.800 --> 00:45:59.400 and those kind of coming into play and you know, 885 00:45:59.440 --> 00:46:04.840 getting after that reality, but the damage that you're doing 886 00:46:04.880 --> 00:46:07.360 to player development if you have another season where they 887 00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:08.960 take the approach that they did last year. 888 00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:13.079 Yeah, and your point about Danny is a really good one. 889 00:46:13.119 --> 00:46:15.400 And look, I've known the ages of my entire life, 890 00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:17.719 and you know, Danny doesn't need me to stand up 891 00:46:17.719 --> 00:46:20.360 for him, and quite frankly, neither does Austin. Austin does 892 00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:23.679 have a track record as a basketball decision maker for 893 00:46:23.719 --> 00:46:26.119 an organization that's really been the class of the league, 894 00:46:26.159 --> 00:46:28.000 among the class of the league for a long time, 895 00:46:28.480 --> 00:46:31.880 including the fourteen slash seventeen years he's been involved there. 896 00:46:31.920 --> 00:46:35.599 So their acumen and pedigree speaks for itself, it really does. 897 00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:36.960 But the Danny point is. 898 00:46:36.920 --> 00:46:41.880 Interesting, Tim, because I've honestly just wondered how invested he's 899 00:46:41.920 --> 00:46:45.360 been in this entire thing at all. And look, he's around, 900 00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:47.880 he's at games, and he's at workouts and such. But 901 00:46:47.920 --> 00:46:50.079 I also know he likes those riverside tea times, and 902 00:46:50.119 --> 00:46:53.239 I also know that he likes spending time with his grandkids. 903 00:46:53.280 --> 00:46:54.880 He's not one of those guys that just gives you 904 00:46:54.920 --> 00:46:57.239 a face value. Hey, I want to spend time with 905 00:46:57.320 --> 00:46:59.800 my family. Answer then goes and travels to Europe for 906 00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:01.960 six months out of the year. He's a father and 907 00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:05.960 a grandfather, and he is living his life in his 908 00:47:06.519 --> 00:47:08.880 later stages in the way that he wants to do it. 909 00:47:08.920 --> 00:47:12.639 I wonder if you think Austin's addition could indicate that 910 00:47:12.719 --> 00:47:15.039 Danny will even be a little bit more removed than 911 00:47:15.079 --> 00:47:17.159 he has been, you know. 912 00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:20.480 And look, it's not like Danny Ainge wanted to go 913 00:47:20.599 --> 00:47:23.760 work for the Utah Jazz exactly. He was recruited by 914 00:47:23.840 --> 00:47:27.119 Ryan Smith. And again, I don't necessarily know that this 915 00:47:27.199 --> 00:47:29.119 is going to change a lot for Danny because he 916 00:47:29.239 --> 00:47:31.960 wasn't doing the day to day stuff. You know, he 917 00:47:32.079 --> 00:47:35.119 wasn't grinding on the trade goals, and he wasn't you know, 918 00:47:35.159 --> 00:47:37.480 worrying about who they're going to sign to a two 919 00:47:37.519 --> 00:47:40.440 way contract. He wasn't dealing with the agents. That's all 920 00:47:40.519 --> 00:47:44.519 been Justin Zanik's job. So I don't I don't know 921 00:47:44.559 --> 00:47:48.400 that this changes a lot for Danny. Again, I'm more 922 00:47:48.480 --> 00:47:53.480 curious to know how much will it change for Justin Zannik. 923 00:47:55.199 --> 00:47:58.239 But you know, this is a by NBA standards, they've 924 00:47:58.239 --> 00:48:03.360 had a relatively lean funnel. You know that they've also 925 00:48:03.480 --> 00:48:05.679 let a couple other people in that front office go 926 00:48:07.159 --> 00:48:10.280 this off season, so you know, there still could be 927 00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:14.119 some hires to come well. You know, and the other 928 00:48:14.119 --> 00:48:17.760 thing I think that we should point out is, you know, 929 00:48:17.800 --> 00:48:20.920 while Will Hardy wasn't like part of the hiring process 930 00:48:21.000 --> 00:48:23.760 for ust the names, they do have a relationship. You know, 931 00:48:23.840 --> 00:48:26.920 they did work together for a year in Boston. You know, 932 00:48:26.960 --> 00:48:29.199 I do know there's a lot of mutual respect there 933 00:48:29.880 --> 00:48:32.480 and you know, I would certainly anticipate that it would 934 00:48:32.519 --> 00:48:38.039 be a productive, harmonious head coach lead executive relationship between 935 00:48:38.039 --> 00:48:38.440 those two. 936 00:48:38.760 --> 00:48:42.800 So the xantig portion tim Okay, so let's let's be 937 00:48:42.960 --> 00:48:46.840 very clear. If you are able to traverse your way 938 00:48:46.880 --> 00:48:49.800 into an NBA general manager job, you simply want to 939 00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:53.239 keep that job. And it is one of the best 940 00:48:53.320 --> 00:48:55.920 jobs that Justin probably ever thought he could get. H 941 00:48:56.000 --> 00:48:58.559 He was a finalist in Milwaukee, and the fact I 942 00:48:58.559 --> 00:49:00.719 think he actually on took the job. 943 00:49:01.679 --> 00:49:04.440 No, he was, and then they he was like next 944 00:49:04.440 --> 00:49:06.800 in line, and I forgot the exact circumstances, but he 945 00:49:06.880 --> 00:49:09.960 kind of got Shank and that deal. 946 00:49:09.960 --> 00:49:12.119 Right, and they gave it to Horst and then Dennis 947 00:49:12.159 --> 00:49:15.639 Lindsay moved on and jay Z was elevated to general manager. 948 00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:18.760 And Tim, I know that you said that you don't 949 00:49:18.800 --> 00:49:21.199 want to speculate on where his head is that with this, 950 00:49:21.719 --> 00:49:23.880 But where's his head out with this? 951 00:49:25.400 --> 00:49:27.079 I haven't talked to him, and I'm not going to 952 00:49:27.119 --> 00:49:30.559 put words in a guy's mouth, you know. I mean 953 00:49:31.239 --> 00:49:36.760 jay Z has always been a very faithful, hardworking employee 954 00:49:36.760 --> 00:49:41.000 of the Utah Jazz. I don't know anything that would 955 00:49:41.000 --> 00:49:43.840 indicate that that would change. Yeah. The other thing is 956 00:49:43.880 --> 00:49:50.039 he's he's had some extremely serious health issues, you know, 957 00:49:50.400 --> 00:49:54.159 how to get a life stating transplant. You know, maybe 958 00:49:54.199 --> 00:49:57.599 taking a little bit off his plate would be beneficial. 959 00:49:58.000 --> 00:50:01.800 Dam But again that's that's me getting into speculation that 960 00:50:01.840 --> 00:50:03.719 I really don't want to do because I have not 961 00:50:04.039 --> 00:50:05.159 had a discussion with him. 962 00:50:05.320 --> 00:50:07.119 So let's go back to what you reference. 963 00:50:07.159 --> 00:50:10.280 And that was Austin's answer as a result of the 964 00:50:10.360 --> 00:50:13.800 question asked by our very own Sean O'Connell about the 965 00:50:13.840 --> 00:50:17.119 philosophy on tanking, and it was a great SoundBite. I mean, 966 00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:18.840 I've had a lot of people send it to me like, oh, 967 00:50:18.880 --> 00:50:22.599 I guess things are changing, but I don't believe it 968 00:50:22.639 --> 00:50:26.039 to be true. And it's pretty simple, tim like, there 969 00:50:26.159 --> 00:50:28.880 is this top eight protected first round pick next year 970 00:50:29.400 --> 00:50:31.320 that if the Jazz aren't in the top eight, it 971 00:50:31.360 --> 00:50:33.039 goes to the team that's probably about to win the 972 00:50:33.039 --> 00:50:36.559 World championship, and then the year after I believe it 973 00:50:36.599 --> 00:50:38.159 conveys to two second rounders. 974 00:50:38.199 --> 00:50:39.599 I think something like that. 975 00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:43.599 So next okay, So next year is the final time 976 00:50:43.639 --> 00:50:45.880 that the bill could come do And when you are 977 00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:48.719 a team that is in such bad need of a 978 00:50:48.800 --> 00:50:52.760 talent infusion, you cannot afford to lose a first round 979 00:50:52.760 --> 00:50:56.239 pick that could be, you know, a player that ultimately 980 00:50:56.280 --> 00:50:58.480 does hit, because they need players that are going to hit. 981 00:50:59.000 --> 00:51:02.840 So I understand what Austin said. I don't believe that 982 00:51:02.840 --> 00:51:05.880 that's going to be the approach. How do you think 983 00:51:05.960 --> 00:51:08.760 they do approach this season based off of the need 984 00:51:08.800 --> 00:51:11.000 to hang on to an asset I believe they badly 985 00:51:11.039 --> 00:51:11.719 need to hang on to. 986 00:51:13.800 --> 00:51:15.719 Can you read the exact quote to me? Do you 987 00:51:15.719 --> 00:51:16.480 have that in front of you? 988 00:51:16.760 --> 00:51:19.760 It was simply if John asked him his philosophy on tanking, 989 00:51:19.920 --> 00:51:24.000 manipulating minutes, you know, in the name of better draft odds, 990 00:51:24.039 --> 00:51:26.679 and Austin simply said, you will not see that this year. 991 00:51:27.920 --> 00:51:33.159 So you might see and you don't have to call 992 00:51:33.199 --> 00:51:37.280 it tank, and you might see long term transactions that 993 00:51:38.159 --> 00:51:40.639 make it even more difficult for the Jazz to put 994 00:51:40.639 --> 00:51:43.360 a winning product on the floor next year. Is that 995 00:51:43.480 --> 00:51:45.679 tanking or is that doing what's in the best long 996 00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:49.360 term interest of your franchise. I think, you know, if 997 00:51:49.400 --> 00:51:53.639 you take his statement at face value, they're not going 998 00:51:53.679 --> 00:51:57.960 to tank by coming up with mythical injuries. Okay, they're 999 00:51:57.960 --> 00:52:01.760 not going to tank by sitting there better players during 1000 00:52:01.800 --> 00:52:05.719 the fourth quarters. They're not going to be you know, 1001 00:52:05.960 --> 00:52:09.280 I mean, I think a fair word is dishonest about 1002 00:52:09.639 --> 00:52:14.199 trying to on a night to night basis win basketball games. 1003 00:52:14.679 --> 00:52:16.360 That doesn't mean that they're going to win a lot 1004 00:52:16.360 --> 00:52:19.119 of games next year. Now, Will has proven that if 1005 00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:23.159 if you know, if you give him NBA caliber talent, 1006 00:52:23.239 --> 00:52:25.480 that he's probably gonna the Jazz will probably win more 1007 00:52:25.519 --> 00:52:29.360 games under his coaching. Then you would think just looking 1008 00:52:29.360 --> 00:52:31.800 at it on paper, Uh, you know, if they're if 1009 00:52:31.800 --> 00:52:36.559 they're not doing you know, egregious tanking measures, but like 1010 00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:41.920 look at the Western Conference, tell me which team you 1011 00:52:42.039 --> 00:52:44.320 realistically think the Jazz are going to be better than 1012 00:52:44.320 --> 00:52:44.800 next year. 1013 00:52:46.280 --> 00:52:46.920 There is a one. 1014 00:52:47.719 --> 00:52:53.119 Okay, I was gonna wait. So look, they they they 1015 00:52:53.199 --> 00:52:55.239 went all out to get the worst record in the 1016 00:52:55.280 --> 00:52:58.159 league last year. They ended up with the fifth pick, 1017 00:52:58.199 --> 00:53:01.760 which again was the worst scenario in that situation and 1018 00:53:01.800 --> 00:53:04.960 by far the most likely. It's like forty seven point 1019 00:53:05.039 --> 00:53:07.000 nine percent chance that if you have the worst record 1020 00:53:07.000 --> 00:53:09.480 the league, that's where you're gonna land. So it's not 1021 00:53:09.559 --> 00:53:13.000 a shock that's where they landed. Now, what did they 1022 00:53:13.079 --> 00:53:17.840 pay in terms of player development? Maybe bad habits kicking in, 1023 00:53:18.199 --> 00:53:20.760 you know that sort of thing. How much they did 1024 00:53:20.760 --> 00:53:24.440 they stunt the growth of you know, recent draft picks 1025 00:53:24.440 --> 00:53:26.440 that are on that roster that we're in that rotation. 1026 00:53:26.559 --> 00:53:28.760 You know, those are all questions that need to be 1027 00:53:28.800 --> 00:53:32.559 discussed internally much less you know, on radio. 1028 00:53:32.239 --> 00:53:32.920 Shows, you what not. 1029 00:53:35.000 --> 00:53:39.280 But I think realistically, you know, they're not going to 1030 00:53:39.320 --> 00:53:41.320 make win now grades this summer. I mean that just 1031 00:53:41.320 --> 00:53:45.199 be silly. I think realistically, like we're looking at a 1032 00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:48.159 team that's probably going to still land pretty high in 1033 00:53:48.199 --> 00:53:51.519 the lottery. Now if you land fifth or sixth, you know, 1034 00:53:51.559 --> 00:53:54.239 I'm not looking at the table right in front of me. 1035 00:53:54.280 --> 00:53:58.840 But to get to your point, the fear isn't necessarily 1036 00:53:58.840 --> 00:54:01.440 oh my gosh, we might have fifth or six pick 1037 00:54:01.440 --> 00:54:03.840 in the drafting in it so we might get leapfrogged 1038 00:54:03.880 --> 00:54:05.920 a couple of times. And you know, if you're if 1039 00:54:05.960 --> 00:54:08.519 you're seventh especially, might get leap fogged a couple times. 1040 00:54:08.599 --> 00:54:12.360 Land ninth. That would be a disaster. It would be 1041 00:54:12.400 --> 00:54:14.880 a total disaster. Obviously, it's in the ninth overall pick 1042 00:54:14.920 --> 00:54:18.679 to the Oklahoma City Thunder, So there's a there's a 1043 00:54:18.800 --> 00:54:23.199 lot of gray here, a lot of nuance here. But 1044 00:54:23.719 --> 00:54:27.440 to just repeat the approach that they took last year, 1045 00:54:28.480 --> 00:54:31.239 I mean, I think you're kind of giving up on 1046 00:54:31.280 --> 00:54:32.920 the young guys on the roster if you want to 1047 00:54:32.960 --> 00:54:33.280 do that. 1048 00:54:35.079 --> 00:54:39.639 So if they if they, if they want to go 1049 00:54:39.760 --> 00:54:44.119 about their business of losing while being serious about trying 1050 00:54:44.159 --> 00:54:46.800 to compete, I feel like it means they have to 1051 00:54:46.800 --> 00:54:49.960 move off of marketing and probably Kessler, because if if 1052 00:54:50.039 --> 00:54:54.280 Lowry plays seventy five games, if Walker plays seventy seventy 1053 00:54:54.320 --> 00:54:58.039 five games, if Colin Sexton plays seventy seventy seventy five games, 1054 00:54:58.440 --> 00:55:01.119 and John Collins was best, your point about Will is 1055 00:55:01.400 --> 00:55:04.480 absolutely spot on. Okay, with a coach who has shown 1056 00:55:05.039 --> 00:55:07.960 that he can maximize whatever talent he has if you 1057 00:55:08.039 --> 00:55:11.880 allow him to maximize it. I see a team that 1058 00:55:12.000 --> 00:55:14.079 could win thirty thirty five games in the West. I 1059 00:55:14.079 --> 00:55:15.960 don't see a team that's making the playoffs or hanging 1060 00:55:16.000 --> 00:55:19.280 a banner. But I see a team as presley constituted, 1061 00:55:19.320 --> 00:55:21.039 and certainly if they draft a kid at five, they 1062 00:55:21.039 --> 00:55:23.960 can step in and play right away, and they play 1063 00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:26.159 all the vets and they do their best to win games. 1064 00:55:26.199 --> 00:55:27.960 I see a team that can win between thirty and 1065 00:55:28.000 --> 00:55:31.519 thirty five games, which puts you right in that area 1066 00:55:32.199 --> 00:55:34.840 of potentially not being in the top seven or top eight, 1067 00:55:35.079 --> 00:55:39.360 which is the worst possible outcome that we could actually 1068 00:55:39.360 --> 00:55:41.400 come up with. So if they are going to do 1069 00:55:41.440 --> 00:55:42.960 the thing where it's like, no, we are going to 1070 00:55:43.000 --> 00:55:45.320 put our best foot forward and try to compete, I 1071 00:55:45.320 --> 00:55:46.920 think it means they have to move off of Larry 1072 00:55:46.960 --> 00:55:47.719 and probably Walker. 1073 00:55:49.280 --> 00:55:55.159 I would agree that, you know, they if they reach 1074 00:55:55.239 --> 00:55:58.119 the conclusion that hey, we have got an a reasonable 1075 00:55:58.119 --> 00:56:02.159 conclusion we've got to at least be in the top eight, 1076 00:56:02.239 --> 00:56:06.079 that there's you know, they need to address some of 1077 00:56:06.079 --> 00:56:09.519 the uh win probability issues. I had to put it 1078 00:56:09.719 --> 00:56:14.000 lately via the trademarket, And I mean, do you think 1079 00:56:14.039 --> 00:56:18.519 anybody in that roster is untouchable. No, Lowry wasn't untouchable 1080 00:56:18.559 --> 00:56:23.079 last year. Now, their asking price for Lowry was I 1081 00:56:23.119 --> 00:56:26.360 think other teams would say way too high, you know. 1082 00:56:26.639 --> 00:56:29.280 Does that come down this year? I don't know. Again, 1083 00:56:29.360 --> 00:56:32.639 I think those are discussions that need to be had. 1084 00:56:33.119 --> 00:56:35.559 I don't think they asking price for for Sexton, or 1085 00:56:35.599 --> 00:56:39.440 for Collins, or for the Clarkston or is too high. 1086 00:56:40.320 --> 00:56:42.639 You know. Kessler, to me, that's a tough one though, 1087 00:56:42.679 --> 00:56:46.800 because he absolutely is a guy who you could envision 1088 00:56:47.480 --> 00:56:50.400 as the defensive backbone of a good team, you know, 1089 00:56:50.480 --> 00:56:54.719 four or five years down the road. He you know it, 1090 00:56:54.960 --> 00:56:58.199 It's not hard to look at Kessler, not not as 1091 00:56:58.280 --> 00:57:03.519 like your franchise player obviously, but as a piece of 1092 00:57:03.519 --> 00:57:07.559 a foundation that you can build upon. So that one's 1093 00:57:07.559 --> 00:57:08.159 tougher for me. 1094 00:57:09.199 --> 00:57:11.400 I agree with you. I love Walker, I love Larri, 1095 00:57:11.559 --> 00:57:14.840 Larry's good man. Like I'm just trying to understand how 1096 00:57:14.840 --> 00:57:17.199 this thing can work with the long term game in mind, 1097 00:57:17.280 --> 00:57:21.039 because to your earlier point him, they're a marathon away 1098 00:57:21.199 --> 00:57:23.320 from the better teams in the Western Conference. I mean, 1099 00:57:23.400 --> 00:57:25.920 Chris Finch after the Minnesota loss, He's like, hey, there 1100 00:57:25.920 --> 00:57:28.320 are thirteen teams in the West. They're going to be 1101 00:57:28.320 --> 00:57:30.599 trying to compete for home court. And it's like, oh, okay, 1102 00:57:30.639 --> 00:57:32.719 so it's probably the Jazz and the Blazers that aren't. 1103 00:57:33.519 --> 00:57:36.320 But because they're so far away, part of me believes 1104 00:57:36.320 --> 00:57:37.920 they're probably going to look at some of the stuff 1105 00:57:37.960 --> 00:57:41.519 and keep the you know, the mindset of we are three, 1106 00:57:41.639 --> 00:57:44.199 four or five years away from being able to compete 1107 00:57:44.239 --> 00:57:47.000 with the top teams, and maybe that does make Walker expendable, 1108 00:57:47.360 --> 00:57:49.400 even though I agree with you that's a tough, tough 1109 00:57:49.440 --> 00:57:51.320 decision to make because he's been so good. 1110 00:57:52.519 --> 00:57:56.000 Yeah, and again, like they would listen to him last year, 1111 00:57:56.039 --> 00:57:58.760 but they were asking for at least a couple of 1112 00:57:58.840 --> 00:58:03.360 first round picks, and you know, and and then if 1113 00:58:03.400 --> 00:58:06.000 you get into the discussions around now, what are the 1114 00:58:06.039 --> 00:58:09.719 quality it picks? Blah blah blah. You know, the lottery 1115 00:58:09.760 --> 00:58:13.320 things also interesting to me because honestly, if you're going 1116 00:58:13.360 --> 00:58:18.639 to trade him, was he more or less valuable in 1117 00:58:18.639 --> 00:58:21.280 the trade market before you gave him a full blown 1118 00:58:21.280 --> 00:58:26.320 max contract? You know? And I don't know, and I 1119 00:58:26.360 --> 00:58:30.119 don't know, I don't know what his value would be 1120 00:58:31.039 --> 00:58:31.880 in the trademarket. 1121 00:58:31.960 --> 00:58:32.119 Now. 1122 00:58:32.159 --> 00:58:34.920 I do think it's like Austin Ange has to find 1123 00:58:34.960 --> 00:58:36.760 out doesn't mean he has to trade him, but he 1124 00:58:36.800 --> 00:58:39.400 has to find out what the value is. And I'm 1125 00:58:39.400 --> 00:58:44.639 not sure, you know, And just like you can't really 1126 00:58:45.199 --> 00:58:50.599 evaluate Marketing's performance last year. I mean, it's such a 1127 00:58:50.639 --> 00:58:54.280 weird situation, or they had nothing to play for. They're 1128 00:58:54.320 --> 00:58:56.920 clearly tanking. You know, he's out of the line up 1129 00:58:56.960 --> 00:59:00.079 every couple of games just because they're like, hey, if 1130 00:59:00.119 --> 00:59:03.480 you play, we might actually actually win this one. But 1131 00:59:03.559 --> 00:59:06.519 he had a bad year. I don't know, man, I 1132 00:59:06.960 --> 00:59:12.559 think I think some teams might have trouble figuring out 1133 00:59:12.719 --> 00:59:14.719 what his value would be. 1134 00:59:16.840 --> 00:59:20.280 So with the news today that the New York Knicks 1135 00:59:20.320 --> 00:59:23.960 have moved off of Tom Thibodeau, you know, after going 1136 00:59:23.960 --> 00:59:26.840 to the Eastern Conference finals, after winning fifty games in 1137 00:59:26.920 --> 00:59:29.800 back to back years, making the playoffs for the last 1138 00:59:29.840 --> 00:59:32.559 five the last three years, the most playoff wins belong 1139 00:59:32.639 --> 00:59:36.039 to Boston, Denver, and New York is third. It's another 1140 00:59:36.079 --> 00:59:39.199 example of an impulsive owner who'd rather play the kazoo 1141 00:59:39.239 --> 00:59:41.639 for his dumb band that actually continue to build something 1142 00:59:41.800 --> 00:59:45.239 that means something, and so where where I think and 1143 00:59:45.639 --> 00:59:48.360 look to be fair. Only time will tell if this 1144 00:59:48.480 --> 00:59:51.840 is going to work. But bottom line is you need players. 1145 00:59:52.039 --> 00:59:55.280 Knicks app players. The Jazz don't. But what Ryan has 1146 00:59:55.280 --> 00:59:58.599 elected to do is kind of the anti Dolan approach. 1147 00:59:59.079 --> 01:00:01.199 And Will Hardy, who's he won thirty four percent of 1148 01:00:01.239 --> 01:00:04.639 his games, is under contract and forever and now he's 1149 01:00:04.679 --> 01:00:07.000 locked in his front office guys that you know, I 1150 01:00:07.039 --> 01:00:10.000 believe will be around for a long long time. Only 1151 01:00:10.079 --> 01:00:12.039 time will tell if this is the right approach. And 1152 01:00:12.079 --> 01:00:14.840 the bottom line is you do need players, But Ryan 1153 01:00:14.880 --> 01:00:18.159 has elected to believe in the people he's hired and 1154 01:00:18.199 --> 01:00:21.000 give them stability moving forward and playing the long game 1155 01:00:21.000 --> 01:00:21.960 to try to build this thing. 1156 01:00:22.000 --> 01:00:25.920 You know, I think good ownership is hiring good people 1157 01:00:25.920 --> 01:00:28.199 and trusting them to do their job and supporting them 1158 01:00:28.840 --> 01:00:34.039 without meddling. You know, Jim Dolan is not a good owner. 1159 01:00:34.639 --> 01:00:37.280 It's just not. The next have been good the last 1160 01:00:37.320 --> 01:00:40.679 four years, you know, Leonne Rose, I would say done 1161 01:00:41.000 --> 01:00:45.960 a good job all things considered, But I mean, I 1162 01:00:46.320 --> 01:00:49.239 just I don't understand firing tips here, and there'd been 1163 01:00:49.280 --> 01:00:53.119 noise about his job maybe being in jeopardy for really 1164 01:00:53.119 --> 01:00:55.480 going back months now for a lot of the season, 1165 01:00:55.559 --> 01:01:00.719 but after an Eastern Conference Finals birth and though maybe 1166 01:01:00.760 --> 01:01:04.320 they I would hope they know who their next hire 1167 01:01:04.360 --> 01:01:07.199 is going to be, I don't know that. I've not 1168 01:01:07.320 --> 01:01:12.559 even heard like really informed speculation on that yet. But 1169 01:01:12.760 --> 01:01:15.239 just firing TIBs and then by figuring it out on 1170 01:01:15.320 --> 01:01:18.079 the fly that doesn't seem to be a good plan. Now, 1171 01:01:18.599 --> 01:01:22.239 good luck getting any idea of what their actual plan 1172 01:01:22.800 --> 01:01:25.039 might be, because you know what. You know what the 1173 01:01:25.119 --> 01:01:28.159 Jazz do, and almost every team in the league does it, 1174 01:01:28.199 --> 01:01:32.039 with the exceptional one. When they make a major decision, 1175 01:01:32.519 --> 01:01:35.280 they have the people who made the decision, or a 1176 01:01:35.320 --> 01:01:38.320 press conference where they can be asked about things, where 1177 01:01:38.320 --> 01:01:41.960 they can explain why, where they can explain their vision. 1178 01:01:42.760 --> 01:01:45.400 The Knicks don't do that at all. And I don't 1179 01:01:45.440 --> 01:01:47.400 understand that either. There's a lot of things that don't 1180 01:01:47.440 --> 01:01:51.039 understand about the Knicks, but you just you're in the 1181 01:01:51.079 --> 01:01:54.320 midst of your most successful run in at least a 1182 01:01:54.400 --> 01:01:57.519 quarter of a century, and then you say you need 1183 01:01:57.559 --> 01:02:02.400 to get a new voice. Okay, And honestly, I really 1184 01:02:02.440 --> 01:02:05.960 don't even want to hear from Leon Rose or Jim Dolan. 1185 01:02:06.039 --> 01:02:08.400 What I really want to get is Jalen Bruns's honest 1186 01:02:08.400 --> 01:02:08.960 thoughts on this. 1187 01:02:11.159 --> 01:02:12.079 Yeah, no, for sure. 1188 01:02:12.119 --> 01:02:16.039 He was asked about coach coach Tibbeau after Game six, 1189 01:02:16.079 --> 01:02:19.239 and I thought he gave a really supportive, salient answer. 1190 01:02:19.239 --> 01:02:21.639 I wonder how much of this and this is I 1191 01:02:21.639 --> 01:02:22.000 guess it was. 1192 01:02:22.079 --> 01:02:24.920 Haberstrow hopped on yesterday and pointed out because I asked him. 1193 01:02:25.360 --> 01:02:28.039 I asked Tommy yesterday, what does the offseason look like 1194 01:02:28.119 --> 01:02:31.320 in New York? Because I think they've got a cat problem. 1195 01:02:31.440 --> 01:02:33.840 And the cat conundrum is interesting because there's so much 1196 01:02:33.880 --> 01:02:36.280 to like about his game and then he just he 1197 01:02:36.280 --> 01:02:38.239 doesn't close out, doesn't guard. You can put him in 1198 01:02:38.280 --> 01:02:39.760 pick and roll and he looks like he's never done 1199 01:02:39.800 --> 01:02:42.920 it before. And Tom brought up this whole Leon Rose 1200 01:02:42.960 --> 01:02:46.840 worldwide West Karl Anthony toown CAAA relationship that had gone 1201 01:02:46.880 --> 01:02:49.599 back to Kentucky basically, and there's a case to be 1202 01:02:49.639 --> 01:02:51.840 made that this is the second time. Maybe Kat wasn't 1203 01:02:51.880 --> 01:02:55.880 thrilled we're playing playing for Tom. He played for him 1204 01:02:55.920 --> 01:02:58.360 in Minnesota too. Is there anything there? I mean, you 1205 01:02:58.400 --> 01:03:01.000 bring up the Jalen portion and Jaen is more important 1206 01:03:01.000 --> 01:03:03.079 than Cat is he just is to the Knicks. But 1207 01:03:03.119 --> 01:03:05.280 do you think there's anything with this Cat thing that 1208 01:03:05.559 --> 01:03:07.400 you know, was a theory that's being thrown around. 1209 01:03:08.599 --> 01:03:12.239 The thought cross my mind. Definitely cross my mind. And 1210 01:03:12.320 --> 01:03:15.400 I'll be honest with you. When they traded for Cat, 1211 01:03:15.480 --> 01:03:17.679 one of the first things that I wondered was how 1212 01:03:17.840 --> 01:03:20.280 is that going to work with Tibbs? Because it was 1213 01:03:20.400 --> 01:03:25.840 not pretty in Minnesota. You know, I've reached out to 1214 01:03:25.880 --> 01:03:28.239 some people to try to get some clarity there. I 1215 01:03:28.639 --> 01:03:31.280 don't have that right now, so I don't want to 1216 01:03:31.280 --> 01:03:34.760 get too far out, you know, kind of over my skis. 1217 01:03:35.480 --> 01:03:37.800 But yeah, definitely the thought cross my mind. You know, 1218 01:03:38.360 --> 01:03:42.039 I'll also say this, there are people in Minnesota who 1219 01:03:42.119 --> 01:03:45.159 think that the Knicks traded for Cat is a stepping 1220 01:03:45.159 --> 01:03:48.519 stone to make another trade. So, you know, it'll be 1221 01:03:48.559 --> 01:03:51.280 interesting to see. There's gonna be a whole lot of 1222 01:03:51.440 --> 01:03:54.559 big splashes made this summer. It'll be interesting to see 1223 01:03:54.599 --> 01:03:56.599 if Cat's part of another one or if he's back 1224 01:03:56.639 --> 01:03:57.599 in New York next year. 1225 01:03:57.679 --> 01:04:00.480 Yeah. I mean, look, I think they we're ahead of 1226 01:04:00.519 --> 01:04:03.360 schedule by making to the Eastern Conference finals, but I 1227 01:04:03.400 --> 01:04:05.719 think if they have premonitions of going beyond it, they've 1228 01:04:05.760 --> 01:04:08.559 got serious, you know, issues with their roster. 1229 01:04:08.639 --> 01:04:09.599 They don't have depth either. 1230 01:04:09.840 --> 01:04:12.039 I mean a lot of people are saying, you know, 1231 01:04:12.119 --> 01:04:14.800 and I said this too, because Kat and Jalen and 1232 01:04:14.800 --> 01:04:17.119 everybody they just look gassed in the fourth. So I 1233 01:04:17.199 --> 01:04:19.119 talked to you about can you find ten minutes for 1234 01:04:19.239 --> 01:04:20.760 Delon right or Precious Achuwa? 1235 01:04:20.840 --> 01:04:22.719 But like their bench is bad. 1236 01:04:22.960 --> 01:04:25.159 I understand what Tom looks down his bench and is like, 1237 01:04:25.199 --> 01:04:26.199 I've got to play these guys. 1238 01:04:26.239 --> 01:04:28.880 They're so much better. Do you think they move off 1239 01:04:28.920 --> 01:04:29.320 of Kat? 1240 01:04:29.400 --> 01:04:31.400 I mean, you think that's a realistic thing and try 1241 01:04:31.400 --> 01:04:32.800 to reformulate something different. 1242 01:04:34.159 --> 01:04:36.760 I think he would have to be an awfully big splash, 1243 01:04:37.159 --> 01:04:40.480 an awfully big splash for that to happen. But we 1244 01:04:40.599 --> 01:04:43.519 will see, you know, I will say this. I've talked 1245 01:04:43.519 --> 01:04:47.320 to people in the NIXT front office and kind of 1246 01:04:48.000 --> 01:04:49.880 the joke there is why do we go through all 1247 01:04:49.880 --> 01:04:52.000 this trouble looking for players knowing the TIBs isn't going 1248 01:04:52.039 --> 01:04:54.639 to play but seven anyway? So that's fair, you know, 1249 01:04:54.880 --> 01:04:56.840 you can kind of chicken an egg that all you want. 1250 01:04:57.000 --> 01:05:01.760 But their depth was not have quality depth. And listen, 1251 01:05:02.960 --> 01:05:06.079 I think macal Bridges is a very good player. Certainly 1252 01:05:06.079 --> 01:05:09.480 giving up five picks for him was a questionable move 1253 01:05:10.559 --> 01:05:11.400 what stood. 1254 01:05:11.079 --> 01:05:13.639 Out most and maybe we need to talk about well, 1255 01:05:13.719 --> 01:05:15.440 you know this because you covered him. I mean, Rick 1256 01:05:15.519 --> 01:05:19.440 Carlisle is he's so good, you know, and it's been 1257 01:05:19.480 --> 01:05:22.559 interesting listening to him after both the Knixt series and 1258 01:05:22.599 --> 01:05:25.119 the Cavs series just kind of say we're flying right now, 1259 01:05:25.239 --> 01:05:27.360 Like these teams just ran into a group. That's what 1260 01:05:27.480 --> 01:05:29.960 stood what stood out most about the way the Pacers 1261 01:05:29.960 --> 01:05:32.320 were able to figure it out they started ten and fifteen. 1262 01:05:33.039 --> 01:05:35.559 And your thoughts on the fact that Rick Carlile once 1263 01:05:35.599 --> 01:05:37.760 again is back in the NBA Finals with a roster 1264 01:05:37.840 --> 01:05:39.360 that nobody thought had a chance. 1265 01:05:40.400 --> 01:05:42.760 Yeah, I think just what stands out the most to 1266 01:05:42.840 --> 01:05:47.679 me is just how unique their style of play is 1267 01:05:47.719 --> 01:05:50.199 and how good they are at it and how well 1268 01:05:50.280 --> 01:05:54.920 suited their personnel is for it. Like they play fast 1269 01:05:55.000 --> 01:05:59.320 and they it's wide open spaces and it's perfectly tailored 1270 01:05:59.800 --> 01:06:04.519 to Tyrese Halliburton. And you know, I see the roots 1271 01:06:04.519 --> 01:06:07.679 of this whole thing in the Mavericks twenty eleven championship 1272 01:06:07.760 --> 01:06:11.280 season when Kid handed the keys over to Jason Kidd 1273 01:06:11.280 --> 01:06:15.480 and kind of really adapted and changed his offensive philosophy. 1274 01:06:16.679 --> 01:06:20.320 And this is like an extreme version of that where 1275 01:06:20.480 --> 01:06:25.559 it's Rick's not calling plays. He has created a system 1276 01:06:26.159 --> 01:06:30.079 and a scheme and he's trusting a brilliant offensive playmaker 1277 01:06:30.119 --> 01:06:36.079 to run it at extraordinarily fast paced and it's working, wonders. 1278 01:06:36.119 --> 01:06:40.320 And I tell you what, man, You know, I scratched 1279 01:06:40.360 --> 01:06:42.679 my head about Tims getting fired, but it was a 1280 01:06:43.320 --> 01:06:48.360 just appalling how horrible the next transition defense was in 1281 01:06:48.440 --> 01:06:52.239 that series? How many times did the Knicks score and 1282 01:06:52.320 --> 01:06:54.880 three or four seconds later Pascal Siaka just ran a 1283 01:06:54.920 --> 01:06:56.599 go route. He's laying it up on the other end 1284 01:06:57.039 --> 01:07:00.119 for sure, Like how many fast breaks were there? And 1285 01:07:00.159 --> 01:07:02.519 give the Pacers a lot of credit for that too, 1286 01:07:02.559 --> 01:07:05.840 but like, my goodness, how many fast breaks can the 1287 01:07:05.840 --> 01:07:09.960 team have off of a may bucket? But again, that's 1288 01:07:10.119 --> 01:07:15.400 just like the Pacers are relentless and very well constructed 1289 01:07:15.440 --> 01:07:20.559 to run that style of offense from the quarterback you know, 1290 01:07:20.639 --> 01:07:24.039 to all the other guys you know, sack them in particular, 1291 01:07:24.039 --> 01:07:26.639 but the other guys as well, who were spaced in 1292 01:07:26.639 --> 01:07:28.239 the floor and finishing plays. 1293 01:07:28.719 --> 01:07:30.840 All right, Tim, Before I set you loose, there is 1294 01:07:30.880 --> 01:07:33.360 the finals that's last to be played. We've already launched 1295 01:07:33.360 --> 01:07:37.320 into so many dramatic offseason storylines that we forget. Starting Thursday, 1296 01:07:38.039 --> 01:07:41.599 Oklahoma City and Indianapolis will do battle for the right 1297 01:07:41.679 --> 01:07:47.239 to be the NBA champ. It feels hard, almost impossible 1298 01:07:47.320 --> 01:07:50.920 for anybody to slow down this OKC train based off 1299 01:07:50.920 --> 01:07:53.199 of what they've done all year. Quite frankly, twenty nine 1300 01:07:53.239 --> 01:07:57.639 to one against the East. Can Indiana make it interesting? 1301 01:07:57.800 --> 01:07:58.480 Do you think. 1302 01:08:00.199 --> 01:08:01.719 I would have to pull the kind of miracle that 1303 01:08:01.760 --> 01:08:04.840 he did in twenty eleven when he out coached Eric Spolstrom, 1304 01:08:04.840 --> 01:08:06.440 not saying he can't do it, but saying it's going 1305 01:08:06.519 --> 01:08:06.960 to be tough. 1306 01:08:08.480 --> 01:08:11.519 All right, man, Well enjoy the trip. I'm glad you 1307 01:08:11.559 --> 01:08:14.719 have accurate and enough footwear, and I'm glad I've learned 1308 01:08:14.719 --> 01:08:17.359 this information about you today. Good insight on the show 1309 01:08:17.399 --> 01:08:18.079 and we'll chat soon. 1310 01:08:18.119 --> 01:08:21.159 Thanks, Tim, appreciate it, Ada, All right. 1311 01:08:21.199 --> 01:08:25.039 Tim McMahon covers the covers the NBA, for ESPN covers 1312 01:08:25.079 --> 01:08:28.000 the jazz. He's the jazz guy for the Worldwide Leader 1313 01:08:28.399 --> 01:08:31.479 at ESPN Underscore at McMahon is where you find him 1314 01:08:31.520 --> 01:08:33.520 on Twitter. He did write a book about Luka Dotcic 1315 01:08:33.640 --> 01:08:36.520 called Luka Dotcic in the Curse of Greatness, and the 1316 01:08:36.560 --> 01:08:40.159 links are up on his Twitter page at ESPN. Underscore 1317 01:08:40.319 --> 01:08:43.399 McMahon tim stops by today courtesy of our good friends 1318 01:08:43.399 --> 01:08:46.399 at IFA Country Stores. Summer vacations in warmer weather are 1319 01:08:46.479 --> 01:08:49.119 just beyond the horizon. As the days grow longer and 1320 01:08:49.119 --> 01:08:51.680 brightly colored flowers begin making their appearance, It's time to 1321 01:08:51.720 --> 01:08:54.319 start planning and applying Step two of I Phase four 1322 01:08:54.359 --> 01:08:57.880 plus annual long care program designed with a vital blend 1323 01:08:58.079 --> 01:09:01.039 of macro and micro nutrient so IFA is Step two 1324 01:09:01.079 --> 01:09:05.159 fertilizer promotes strong roots and vibrant colors in your yard. 1325 01:09:05.199 --> 01:09:08.600 At IFA and IFA Dot co Op. Big news of 1326 01:09:08.640 --> 01:09:10.279 the day today is the New York Knicks have fired 1327 01:09:10.319 --> 01:09:13.279 Tom Thibodeau after the best run the team has had 1328 01:09:13.279 --> 01:09:14.760 in literally twenty five years. 1329 01:09:15.520 --> 01:09:16.800 So a lot of NBA news. 1330 01:09:17.239 --> 01:09:21.479 Austin Ange's press conference yesterday has been a big topic 1331 01:09:21.560 --> 01:09:24.359 of conversation throughout the course of the news cycle in 1332 01:09:24.399 --> 01:09:27.279 the market. And we have the NBA Finals beginning on 1333 01:09:27.359 --> 01:09:31.319 Thursday night between Oklahoma City and Indiana. Stanley Cup Finals 1334 01:09:31.359 --> 01:09:35.760 tomorrow Edmonton, Florida, a rematch of a barn burner for 1335 01:09:35.880 --> 01:09:38.479 series last year for the right to lift Lord Stanley's Cup. 1336 01:09:39.079 --> 01:09:41.199 Just a few weeks away from the NBA Draft and 1337 01:09:41.239 --> 01:09:44.000 also the NHL draft. Of course, the Utah Hockey Club 1338 01:09:44.880 --> 01:09:50.039 Utah Mammoth, I'll get there receiving better luck in year 1339 01:09:50.079 --> 01:09:52.960 one of their existence in our market than the Utah 1340 01:09:53.079 --> 01:09:55.720 Jazz have in basically fifty years. So we'll have some 1341 01:09:55.760 --> 01:09:58.439 good draft coverage for you guys, both NHL and NBA 1342 01:09:58.560 --> 01:10:01.560 style as we kind of wait to see what the 1343 01:10:01.600 --> 01:10:03.479 soft season is going to look like. Some good stuff 1344 01:10:03.479 --> 01:10:07.399 from Sarah Todd today who stopped by earlier. Tim McMahon 1345 01:10:07.439 --> 01:10:11.039 from ESPN was our guest as well as the conversation 1346 01:10:11.159 --> 01:10:15.560 surrounding the Utah Jazz now turns to the offseason. Porter, 1347 01:10:15.640 --> 01:10:18.920 I've not heard from you on this, so I'm gonna 1348 01:10:18.920 --> 01:10:19.840 pose this to you the. 1349 01:10:19.760 --> 01:10:21.319 Way I posed it to Tim. Okay. 1350 01:10:22.479 --> 01:10:27.800 So if we operate off the premise, then what Austin 1351 01:10:27.840 --> 01:10:32.399 Ams said yesterday in response to Sean's question about his 1352 01:10:32.399 --> 01:10:34.880 philosophy on tanking, when he said that you will not 1353 01:10:34.960 --> 01:10:37.800 see that this year. If that's going to be the approach, 1354 01:10:39.720 --> 01:10:42.800 what do they need to do in order to make 1355 01:10:42.840 --> 01:10:46.760 sure this roster is simply comprised of players that you 1356 01:10:47.399 --> 01:10:51.319 are willing to play when they're healthy. Every night at 1357 01:10:51.359 --> 01:10:54.359 the same time understanding the dynamic and play that if 1358 01:10:54.399 --> 01:10:58.560 you do win thirty to thirty five basketball games and 1359 01:10:58.600 --> 01:11:01.840 coming up next May, We're all in front of our 1360 01:11:01.840 --> 01:11:05.560 couches watching Mark Tatum pull out lottery picks again, and 1361 01:11:05.600 --> 01:11:08.439 he says, with the ninth pick in the twenty twenty 1362 01:11:08.479 --> 01:11:12.079 six NBA draft, the selection goes to the Utah Jazz, 1363 01:11:12.199 --> 01:11:14.640 which means it actually goes to the Oklahoma City Thunder. 1364 01:11:16.199 --> 01:11:20.680 That is worst case scenario with where the Jazz are 1365 01:11:20.720 --> 01:11:25.000 at right now in this project, in this long game rebuild, 1366 01:11:25.800 --> 01:11:28.520 losing a top ten pick to the team in the 1367 01:11:28.600 --> 01:11:32.279 West you are already looking up to on every single 1368 01:11:32.359 --> 01:11:35.880 level would be a catastrophic misstep. 1369 01:11:35.960 --> 01:11:36.840 It just would. 1370 01:11:37.159 --> 01:11:38.560 I'm gonna pose it to you the way I post 1371 01:11:38.560 --> 01:11:41.279 it to Tim. If you want to hold onto your 1372 01:11:41.359 --> 01:11:45.640 draft pick and also approach the season with integrity and 1373 01:11:45.680 --> 01:11:48.119 not be unseerious about winning, I think you have to 1374 01:11:48.159 --> 01:11:49.359 move on from Larry and Walker. 1375 01:11:49.399 --> 01:11:49.880 I really do. 1376 01:11:50.680 --> 01:11:54.680 You have to move on from a good share of 1377 01:11:54.720 --> 01:11:58.720 your remaining roster. Now you could talk me into holding 1378 01:11:58.720 --> 01:12:02.399 onto one of those pieces and frankly, Spence moving on 1379 01:12:02.640 --> 01:12:05.640 from some of the younger pieces that you're maybe not 1380 01:12:05.800 --> 01:12:10.560 entirely sold on. You could obviously move on from expiring 1381 01:12:10.640 --> 01:12:16.079 contracts and and uh, the John Collins situation, that's one 1382 01:12:16.079 --> 01:12:21.079 where you got to assume he's gonna he's gonna take 1383 01:12:21.119 --> 01:12:24.560 that player option. So it leaves the Jazz with, you know, 1384 01:12:25.279 --> 01:12:29.439 not all that many options. But yeah, they you know, 1385 01:12:30.760 --> 01:12:34.640 they would have to move on from a good share 1386 01:12:35.159 --> 01:12:38.760 of their rotation players in order to kind of toe 1387 01:12:38.800 --> 01:12:44.199 that line and still avoid the situation that you just 1388 01:12:44.279 --> 01:12:47.560 laid out Spence, which which is worst case scenario there is. 1389 01:12:47.600 --> 01:12:53.439 There is really no circumstance where you can, you know, 1390 01:12:53.560 --> 01:12:56.640 in good faith, give Will Hardy this roster and say hey, 1391 01:12:56.840 --> 01:13:00.000 go do your thing and then win thirty three games 1392 01:13:00.000 --> 01:13:03.000 teams and lose your top ten pick. That's something you 1393 01:13:03.119 --> 01:13:09.760 just you can't let happen. And I don't think the 1394 01:13:09.840 --> 01:13:12.760 Jazz are going to allow that to happen. But you know, 1395 01:13:14.199 --> 01:13:17.479 there does seem to be an mo in the front 1396 01:13:17.479 --> 01:13:21.680 office that changed yesterday. If you take them for what 1397 01:13:21.720 --> 01:13:22.560 they say, face vote. 1398 01:13:23.239 --> 01:13:25.640 So one of the interesting things to watch out for, 1399 01:13:26.319 --> 01:13:30.399 based off of the conversations we've been having is Walker 1400 01:13:30.479 --> 01:13:35.359 Kesseler is extension eligible. Okay, so I keep pointing to 1401 01:13:36.000 --> 01:13:40.159 the summer of twenty twenty six as opposed to this offseason, 1402 01:13:40.279 --> 01:13:45.039 because the Jazz could protection potentially have over seventy million 1403 01:13:45.079 --> 01:13:48.359 dollars in cap space in twenty twenty six. Okay, so 1404 01:13:48.600 --> 01:13:52.119 there's a fourteen point six million dollar free agent cap 1405 01:13:52.119 --> 01:13:58.479 hold for Walker next season, but they could extend him 1406 01:13:59.439 --> 01:14:04.159 this off season. However, do you want to extend him 1407 01:14:04.319 --> 01:14:06.720 if you plan on moving him? It would be a 1408 01:14:06.760 --> 01:14:08.920 lot easier to trade him if you didn't extend him. 1409 01:14:08.960 --> 01:14:11.880 And also, how does that land with Walker? 1410 01:14:12.000 --> 01:14:12.159 Now? 1411 01:14:12.199 --> 01:14:15.039 Remember, and by the way, I want to be clear, 1412 01:14:15.439 --> 01:14:18.680 I've never received information to coroborate what I'm about to say, 1413 01:14:19.640 --> 01:14:21.640 but it is a narrative that's been out there ever 1414 01:14:21.680 --> 01:14:25.079 since Hayward left for Boston that when the Jazz told 1415 01:14:25.119 --> 01:14:28.279 Gordon we are not extending you, you're going to play 1416 01:14:28.279 --> 01:14:30.119 out the final year of your rookie deal and then 1417 01:14:30.159 --> 01:14:33.039 you go bet on yourself and if you can go 1418 01:14:33.079 --> 01:14:34.920 get a max deal, then we'll decide if we want 1419 01:14:34.920 --> 01:14:36.640 to match it, which by the way, is completely within 1420 01:14:36.640 --> 01:14:39.399 the rights of the organization. It's just not really a 1421 01:14:39.439 --> 01:14:42.079 gesture of goodwill for a player that you really want around. 1422 01:14:43.199 --> 01:14:44.520 And there are a lot of people that believe. 1423 01:14:44.560 --> 01:14:47.760 When the Jazz elected not to sign Hayward to the 1424 01:14:47.840 --> 01:14:51.920 extension when he was eligible, that was the beginning of 1425 01:14:51.960 --> 01:14:52.359 the end. 1426 01:14:53.079 --> 01:14:54.560 That was the beginning of. 1427 01:14:54.479 --> 01:14:58.000 The wheels going down the road where Gordon didn't feel appreciated, 1428 01:14:58.039 --> 01:15:00.840 didn't feel like the Jazz wanted him. So he goes 1429 01:15:00.840 --> 01:15:03.359 and gets his offer sheet from Charlotte. The Jazz max 1430 01:15:03.600 --> 01:15:06.760 matched it, which meant Gordon was here for another four years. 1431 01:15:07.520 --> 01:15:09.560 And then, of course Gordon Stay turned into a really 1432 01:15:09.600 --> 01:15:11.600 good player. He was an All Star. I think a 1433 01:15:11.600 --> 01:15:14.640 lot of people forget how good Gordon was here during 1434 01:15:14.680 --> 01:15:19.199 his last season playing for Quinn. So the Jazz elect 1435 01:15:19.279 --> 01:15:23.720 not to extend Hayward plays for the team, gets the 1436 01:15:23.760 --> 01:15:26.720 max offer sheet from Charlotte, the Jazz match that offer sheet. 1437 01:15:27.119 --> 01:15:28.920 Gordon is here for another four years. 1438 01:15:29.319 --> 01:15:31.039 There are a lot of people that draw straight line 1439 01:15:31.039 --> 01:15:34.000 between the decision not to extend him and Gordon's decision 1440 01:15:34.039 --> 01:15:34.399 to leave. 1441 01:15:34.720 --> 01:15:36.760 I don't know if I believe that, but a lot 1442 01:15:36.760 --> 01:15:37.239 of people do. 1443 01:15:38.039 --> 01:15:40.319 My whole thing with that has always been he wanted 1444 01:15:40.359 --> 01:15:42.199 to go play for his college coach, and he wanted 1445 01:15:42.239 --> 01:15:44.840 to sit at a different lunch table, and he wanted 1446 01:15:44.840 --> 01:15:46.439 to play in a bigger market. He wanted to be 1447 01:15:46.439 --> 01:15:48.760 a guy that was known as a star for a 1448 01:15:48.800 --> 01:15:51.000 team like the Celtics instead of a team like the Jazz. 1449 01:15:51.079 --> 01:15:53.039 I don't know how much of his decision to leave 1450 01:15:53.079 --> 01:15:55.119 had to do with the Jazz decision not to extend them, 1451 01:15:55.159 --> 01:15:56.600 but there are people that believe that to be true. 1452 01:15:57.159 --> 01:15:59.439 So this Walker thing is interesting, and I think it 1453 01:15:59.439 --> 01:16:03.720 becomes more interesting based off of Austin Ange's comments yesterday, 1454 01:16:04.399 --> 01:16:07.039 because if you're going to hold on to your draft pick, 1455 01:16:07.119 --> 01:16:10.039 which you have to do in my opinion, as you're 1456 01:16:10.039 --> 01:16:12.520 trying to piece together a team and build a team, 1457 01:16:12.800 --> 01:16:15.680 certainly in a city like Salt Lake, it does have complications. 1458 01:16:15.720 --> 01:16:17.840 No matter what the spin is from the team, it 1459 01:16:17.880 --> 01:16:21.920 does have complications. We have several example of players that 1460 01:16:21.960 --> 01:16:25.399 the Jazz have literally acquired that have been like, I'm 1461 01:16:25.439 --> 01:16:27.920 not going to live there, I don't want to play there. 1462 01:16:27.960 --> 01:16:29.800 Like It's happened multiple times over the years. 1463 01:16:29.800 --> 01:16:30.279 It just has. 1464 01:16:30.640 --> 01:16:32.479 The Jazz have been able to bring in free agents 1465 01:16:32.479 --> 01:16:34.039 in the past that have worked out, so it's not 1466 01:16:34.079 --> 01:16:35.159 like it's never worked. 1467 01:16:35.239 --> 01:16:37.479 Okay, But if the. 1468 01:16:37.520 --> 01:16:40.399 Jazz want to hold on to their pick, a top 1469 01:16:40.479 --> 01:16:43.720 eight protected pick that goes to Oklahoma City. So it's 1470 01:16:43.840 --> 01:16:46.079 very simple if you're listening, like, what is he talking about. 1471 01:16:46.279 --> 01:16:49.479 If the Jazz are not in the top eight next year, 1472 01:16:50.359 --> 01:16:53.439 their draft pick conveys to Oklahoma City. It's the Derek 1473 01:16:53.479 --> 01:16:56.479 Favors trade. It is this build that's always become due. 1474 01:16:57.399 --> 01:17:02.119 But after next year it goes to a situation where 1475 01:17:02.159 --> 01:17:05.199 it would be two second round picks that are conveyed 1476 01:17:05.199 --> 01:17:08.680 to Oklahoma City. And you can stomach that. I mean, 1477 01:17:09.800 --> 01:17:13.399 certainly there are several examples, both locally and around the 1478 01:17:13.520 --> 01:17:16.399 NBA of plenty of second round picks that have been awesome. 1479 01:17:16.439 --> 01:17:18.199 The best player in the world right now was a 1480 01:17:18.239 --> 01:17:21.039 second round pick in Nicola Jokic. You would prefer to 1481 01:17:21.119 --> 01:17:24.840 keep your capital, but you certainly could stomach sending a 1482 01:17:24.840 --> 01:17:27.600 couple of second round picks to Oklahoma City as opposed 1483 01:17:27.640 --> 01:17:29.439 to like the ninth or the tenth pick in the 1484 01:17:29.479 --> 01:17:34.560 draft where they took Taylor, where they took Cody. So, 1485 01:17:34.720 --> 01:17:38.399 in my opinion, in this process of trying to build 1486 01:17:38.439 --> 01:17:41.680 a team, you have to do it through the draft, 1487 01:17:41.840 --> 01:17:43.399 and then once you've been able to do it through 1488 01:17:43.399 --> 01:17:47.039 the draft, you can attract other players that might want 1489 01:17:47.079 --> 01:17:49.720 to come play with some of the good young players 1490 01:17:49.760 --> 01:17:52.359 you have. It's why the Cooper flags things does sting 1491 01:17:53.399 --> 01:17:56.920 San Antonio, which is not an appealing market in the NBA. 1492 01:17:57.880 --> 01:18:00.600 Chris Paul signs to play with one but Yamaaron Fox 1493 01:18:00.840 --> 01:18:02.119 the green light to trade. 1494 01:18:02.159 --> 01:18:03.680 You play with Victor Wembanyama. 1495 01:18:04.039 --> 01:18:07.199 Like you get a Victor Wembanyama, you get a Cooper Flag. 1496 01:18:07.359 --> 01:18:10.159 You start to build, and people around the league see 1497 01:18:10.199 --> 01:18:14.199 what you're building, and then agents are more inclined to 1498 01:18:14.680 --> 01:18:18.479 talk about their clients playing for you because you have something. 1499 01:18:18.600 --> 01:18:21.960 Right now, the Jazz have nothing. Nobody's watching Isaiah call. 1500 01:18:22.000 --> 01:18:23.479 You're in calling their agent be like, dude, I want 1501 01:18:23.479 --> 01:18:27.680 to go play with that kid. So, in this process 1502 01:18:28.680 --> 01:18:31.359 where even though the Jazz have a really good head 1503 01:18:31.359 --> 01:18:34.199 coach signed for a long time at a front office 1504 01:18:34.239 --> 01:18:36.399 with a pedigree that speaks for itself, locked in for 1505 01:18:36.439 --> 01:18:39.800 a long time, you gotta have players. You have to 1506 01:18:39.840 --> 01:18:42.520 have horses. It doesn't matter who your coach is if 1507 01:18:42.520 --> 01:18:44.760 you don't have horses. It doesn't matter who your front 1508 01:18:44.800 --> 01:18:47.399 office is. If you don't have players. It doesn't matter 1509 01:18:47.439 --> 01:18:51.399 who your owner is if your roster is void of talent. So, 1510 01:18:51.800 --> 01:18:54.399 in order to continue to build, the draft pick next 1511 01:18:54.479 --> 01:18:57.159 year to me, has to be basically your first priority. 1512 01:18:58.359 --> 01:19:00.680 So if you're going to dance this dance where Austin 1513 01:19:00.720 --> 01:19:03.039 Ainge says we're no longer tanking, that's off the table. 1514 01:19:03.880 --> 01:19:07.760 And you're going to stay away from holding players out 1515 01:19:07.760 --> 01:19:10.600 when they're healthy, which the Jazz were literally fine for 1516 01:19:10.680 --> 01:19:13.600 last year one hundred grand. And if you're going if 1517 01:19:13.600 --> 01:19:15.319 you're going to stay away from okay, you want us 1518 01:19:15.319 --> 01:19:18.079 to play our guys Will Walker Kessler shooting seven threes 1519 01:19:18.079 --> 01:19:21.840 a night. Now, if you're going to no longer be 1520 01:19:22.159 --> 01:19:25.840 unseerious about competing and actually approach the thing with some 1521 01:19:25.880 --> 01:19:31.119 integrity and hold on your pick. Walker might have to 1522 01:19:31.159 --> 01:19:35.079 go because he's that good, and Lowry might have to 1523 01:19:35.079 --> 01:19:37.600 go because he's that good. Like I see a roster 1524 01:19:37.720 --> 01:19:41.399 right now that you know, and we'll see what happens 1525 01:19:41.439 --> 01:19:43.399 with the draft picks. They have the potential of adding 1526 01:19:43.439 --> 01:19:46.039 four draft picks to the team. They're gonna have some 1527 01:19:46.079 --> 01:19:48.159 decisions to make on some of these players if they're 1528 01:19:48.159 --> 01:19:51.359 going to add four new rookies to the team, and 1529 01:19:51.439 --> 01:19:53.640 we'll get to an interesting dynamic involving some of the 1530 01:19:53.680 --> 01:19:57.760 young players in just a minute. But if if essentially 1531 01:19:58.399 --> 01:20:02.199 you run it back with a top five pick. Maybe 1532 01:20:02.199 --> 01:20:05.880 it's vg Edgecomb, maybe it's tre Johnson and twenty first 1533 01:20:05.920 --> 01:20:08.840 overall pick. And again, first round picks are guaranteed they're 1534 01:20:08.880 --> 01:20:11.039 gonna be on your team. They're already cappled in place 1535 01:20:11.640 --> 01:20:13.520 with the Bobby Marks breakdowns, and then we'll see what 1536 01:20:13.560 --> 01:20:17.920 happens with the second rounders are undrafted guys. And Walker 1537 01:20:18.000 --> 01:20:22.560 Kessler plays seventy seventy five games, and Larry Markinen plays 1538 01:20:22.560 --> 01:20:26.079 seventy seventy five games, and Colin Sexton is playing every night, 1539 01:20:27.000 --> 01:20:29.800 I think it's probably time to say thank you Jordan Clarkson, 1540 01:20:30.000 --> 01:20:32.640 but his best years quite frankly, have been over for 1541 01:20:32.680 --> 01:20:36.560 a while. I'll throw John Collins, who, in stretches, was 1542 01:20:36.600 --> 01:20:39.199 actually the best player on the team last year, who 1543 01:20:39.279 --> 01:20:42.880 had so If Walker Kessler, Larry Markin and John Collins, 1544 01:20:42.920 --> 01:20:47.319 Colin Sexton, if those four will say those four vets. 1545 01:20:48.359 --> 01:20:52.079 If they play seventy to seventy five games, and Isaiah 1546 01:20:52.119 --> 01:20:56.880 builds on a solid rookie campaign, and Keyante decides he 1547 01:20:56.920 --> 01:20:59.039 wants to watch tape and learn how to play defense, 1548 01:21:00.079 --> 01:21:03.359 and Taylor comes back and he's healthy, and Cody, I 1549 01:21:03.399 --> 01:21:06.920 don't know, shows a Polse and Philipowski shows that last 1550 01:21:07.000 --> 01:21:09.960 year was not an aberration. I see a team that 1551 01:21:09.960 --> 01:21:12.079 can win thirty five games in the NBA next year, 1552 01:21:13.039 --> 01:21:16.520 and that puts you directly in peril of losing your pick. 1553 01:21:17.560 --> 01:21:20.359 What I'm saying is it's not possible for them to 1554 01:21:20.359 --> 01:21:23.199 do both with the way the team is constructed now. 1555 01:21:23.840 --> 01:21:27.439 So based off of what Austin said yesterday, I've got 1556 01:21:27.479 --> 01:21:29.920 to imagine they're making phone calls about Larry. I've got 1557 01:21:29.920 --> 01:21:32.640 to imagine they're willing to take phone calls on Walker. 1558 01:21:33.359 --> 01:21:37.079 Walker's a tough one to let go because honestly, between 1559 01:21:37.079 --> 01:21:38.920 the Rudy and Donovan trades, they have. 1560 01:21:39.039 --> 01:21:41.359 Not aged as well as people thought that they would. 1561 01:21:41.399 --> 01:21:44.159 Now, the jury is still out because there are plenty 1562 01:21:44.199 --> 01:21:47.039 of picks that have to convey. The best player you 1563 01:21:47.079 --> 01:21:49.640 got for Donovan Mitchell, who at the time was a 1564 01:21:49.680 --> 01:21:52.319 twenty five year old superstar player just entering his prime, 1565 01:21:52.399 --> 01:21:56.439 was Larry is very good. Obaji played pretty well for Toronto, 1566 01:21:56.800 --> 01:21:58.960 didn't really work here for whatever reason. 1567 01:21:59.600 --> 01:22:01.520 Colin has been solid. 1568 01:22:01.600 --> 01:22:01.800 Right. 1569 01:22:01.920 --> 01:22:03.840 He's a guy that at least brings energy and plays 1570 01:22:03.840 --> 01:22:06.199 hard every night, and when he gets going offensively, he 1571 01:22:06.239 --> 01:22:08.319 can get some things happening. He's not a great defensive 1572 01:22:08.319 --> 01:22:11.520 player either. The Jazz are so small with the guards 1573 01:22:11.560 --> 01:22:14.560 they elect to play. Like when you watch the finals, 1574 01:22:15.119 --> 01:22:18.640 watch the wing players from Indiana and Oklahoma City. They're 1575 01:22:18.680 --> 01:22:20.720 all like three or four inches taller than any of 1576 01:22:20.720 --> 01:22:23.079 the wing players on the Jazz roster. They need length 1577 01:22:23.880 --> 01:22:28.760 and athleticism on the perimeter to provide some defensive pushback. Remember, 1578 01:22:28.880 --> 01:22:30.960 the Jazz have not just been the worst defensive team 1579 01:22:31.000 --> 01:22:32.960 in pro basketball for the past two years, they've been 1580 01:22:33.000 --> 01:22:36.760 like historically bad, and they've got a great rim protector. 1581 01:22:36.800 --> 01:22:40.079 What does that tell you the guards, it's the perimeter players. 1582 01:22:40.119 --> 01:22:42.520 It's the guys on the wings that are bad at 1583 01:22:42.560 --> 01:22:45.239 point of attack. They're not big enough to bother other 1584 01:22:45.279 --> 01:22:51.880 opposing players. That's got to change. So the Walker thing 1585 01:22:51.960 --> 01:22:55.760 is tough. But again, he's too good, and so is 1586 01:22:55.920 --> 01:22:59.960 Marketing and Collins at times and Sexton at times. These 1587 01:23:00.119 --> 01:23:03.319 guys are good NBA veteran players that if you let 1588 01:23:03.399 --> 01:23:05.920 them play seventy to seventy five games, you will not 1589 01:23:06.000 --> 01:23:08.000 be in a position to have a top eight draft pick, 1590 01:23:08.000 --> 01:23:11.600 which you badly need next year. More so than anything else, 1591 01:23:11.640 --> 01:23:16.079 that has to be your priority because if you give 1592 01:23:16.119 --> 01:23:18.960 yourself another bite of the apple. Maybe the Dallas Maverick 1593 01:23:19.159 --> 01:23:22.079 luck or the San Antonio Spurs luck finally shines on 1594 01:23:22.119 --> 01:23:24.079 you and the aj Debanci kid. 1595 01:23:24.079 --> 01:23:24.880 You guys are gonna watch a. 1596 01:23:24.920 --> 01:23:29.840 BYU is generationally special, and if the Jazz are able 1597 01:23:29.920 --> 01:23:32.720 to make that happen, then we have a different conversation 1598 01:23:32.800 --> 01:23:34.720 about all of it. If they were able to move 1599 01:23:34.760 --> 01:23:36.640 up to one this year, we have a different conversation 1600 01:23:36.680 --> 01:23:37.399 about all of it. 1601 01:23:38.039 --> 01:23:38.920 That's all. You need. 1602 01:23:39.079 --> 01:23:43.239 One bolt of lightning, one ping pong ball bouncing your 1603 01:23:43.279 --> 01:23:49.680 way changes the entire direction of your project. So you 1604 01:23:49.760 --> 01:23:55.239 have to put yourself in a position to capitalize on 1605 01:23:55.760 --> 01:23:58.119 where you are in the process to make sure you 1606 01:23:58.239 --> 01:24:01.560 keep the assets you need to keep building. And that 1607 01:24:01.680 --> 01:24:03.359 has to mean marketing is on the table. It has 1608 01:24:03.399 --> 01:24:04.920 to mean Walker's on the table. It has to mean, 1609 01:24:05.000 --> 01:24:08.680 quite frankly, everyone's on the table. And then you kind 1610 01:24:08.680 --> 01:24:10.199 of see where you go. One more thing before we 1611 01:24:10.239 --> 01:24:12.359 catch a break, because this is interesting. Bobby Mark sent 1612 01:24:12.399 --> 01:24:17.279 out his offseason guide today for the Jazz, and he 1613 01:24:17.640 --> 01:24:20.840 outlined where the Jazz are at with their economic model 1614 01:24:20.880 --> 01:24:22.439 currently in a spreadsheet. 1615 01:24:23.880 --> 01:24:24.840 Next year. 1616 01:24:26.039 --> 01:24:29.800 Could be I'm not saying it is, but next year 1617 01:24:29.840 --> 01:24:34.319 the Jazz have So next year the following players technically 1618 01:24:34.439 --> 01:24:37.479 are on the clock, and I'll tell you why. So 1619 01:24:37.640 --> 01:24:41.600 next year, Taylor Hendrix has a six point one million 1620 01:24:41.640 --> 01:24:44.520 dollar number. He's that's his money, and it's guaranteed. It's 1621 01:24:44.560 --> 01:24:48.399 fully guaranteed all year. The year after next, So twenty 1622 01:24:48.439 --> 01:24:51.279 twenty six, twenty twenty seven, the Jazz have a team 1623 01:24:51.359 --> 01:24:55.840 option on Taylor for seven point eight million dollars. Next year, 1624 01:24:55.880 --> 01:24:58.520 Cody Williams five point seven million dollars, the Jazz have 1625 01:24:58.520 --> 01:25:01.159 a team option the year after that Cody for six million. 1626 01:25:02.199 --> 01:25:05.560 Walker is under contract with a guarantee. I've referenced his 1627 01:25:05.640 --> 01:25:08.640 cap hold earlier, so is cap hold in twenty twenty six. 1628 01:25:08.720 --> 01:25:12.479 Twenty twenty seven is fourteen point six. As I referenced earlier. 1629 01:25:12.520 --> 01:25:15.760 They could extend him this offseason, but part of me 1630 01:25:15.760 --> 01:25:17.840 feels like they're not going to do that because if 1631 01:25:17.880 --> 01:25:20.359 you extend him and pay him what he deserves, quite frankly, 1632 01:25:20.399 --> 01:25:22.000 it'll make him harder to trade. 1633 01:25:22.479 --> 01:25:23.680 It'll make him harder to move. 1634 01:25:23.760 --> 01:25:26.000 They might just do what they did with Heyward and 1635 01:25:26.039 --> 01:25:27.680 say you're playing out the final year of the deal 1636 01:25:27.720 --> 01:25:31.000 and then take calls to try to move him. Heyantay 1637 01:25:31.000 --> 01:25:33.279 George on the books for four point two mill next 1638 01:25:33.319 --> 01:25:36.920 year the year after you guessed it, team option six 1639 01:25:36.960 --> 01:25:40.319 point four mil. Bryce Sensiba on the books two point 1640 01:25:40.399 --> 01:25:43.239 six mil. Next year, team option year after four point eight, 1641 01:25:43.960 --> 01:25:47.600 Isaiah Callier on the books two point six team option 1642 01:25:47.720 --> 01:25:52.840 two point seven the year after that, meaning this Taylor, Cody, Keyante, Bryce, 1643 01:25:52.880 --> 01:25:56.840 and Isaiah are on the clock. Next year's the massive 1644 01:25:56.920 --> 01:25:59.720 year for all five of those players. Because the year 1645 01:25:59.760 --> 01:26:02.079 after or if the Jazz have team options and they 1646 01:26:02.279 --> 01:26:05.159 own the decision as to whether or not these guys 1647 01:26:05.199 --> 01:26:09.560 continue to develop in this ecosystem or they go play 1648 01:26:09.560 --> 01:26:11.640 somewhere else, some of them might not not even the 1649 01:26:11.760 --> 01:26:14.399 NBA guys. Some of them might be G League guys 1650 01:26:14.439 --> 01:26:19.600 or overseekers. These guys, honestly, there's a world that exists 1651 01:26:19.640 --> 01:26:22.680 where Isaiah Collier and Keyante George, the two young guards 1652 01:26:22.720 --> 01:26:25.560 that Jazz fans seem to be somewhat excited about, do 1653 01:26:25.680 --> 01:26:29.119 not even make Oklahoma Cities roster. I'm serious, go look 1654 01:26:29.159 --> 01:26:31.399 at it. First of all, tell me who they play 1655 01:26:31.399 --> 01:26:34.680 in front of. Cason Wallace is like the eighth man 1656 01:26:34.760 --> 01:26:39.039 on okc's roster. He's light years ahead of both those players. 1657 01:26:39.880 --> 01:26:43.600 So bottom line is this, there are miles to go 1658 01:26:44.560 --> 01:26:48.000 with talent additions on the roster that are badly. 1659 01:26:47.720 --> 01:26:49.119 Needed to make this thing relevant. 1660 01:26:49.960 --> 01:26:51.760 And if you're going to go all in on being 1661 01:26:51.800 --> 01:26:56.840 serious about competition next year and maintain the ability to 1662 01:26:56.880 --> 01:27:00.239 keep your draft capital, we could see a roster sure 1663 01:27:00.239 --> 01:27:04.319 that is stripped down by Austin Ainge this offseason. Vegas 1664 01:27:04.319 --> 01:27:07.199 has already released odds for the next head coach of 1665 01:27:07.239 --> 01:27:11.840 the New York Knicks. This is so wild, it says 1666 01:27:11.880 --> 01:27:13.840 Mike Malone. It's supposed to be Michael Malone. We're not 1667 01:27:13.840 --> 01:27:16.279 supposed to call him Mike Malone. Michael Malone your favorite. 1668 01:27:16.319 --> 01:27:20.159 One to one, then it's Jay Wright, Jeff Van Gundhy. 1669 01:27:20.279 --> 01:27:23.279 I wonder if Jeff would even take that phone call. Uh, 1670 01:27:23.399 --> 01:27:26.479 then some others including Rick bruntson Jalen's dad. I wonder 1671 01:27:26.520 --> 01:27:28.560 if he's gonna be able to hang on to that 1672 01:27:28.680 --> 01:27:29.399 job he got. 1673 01:27:30.159 --> 01:27:30.760 So there you go. 1674 01:27:30.800 --> 01:27:32.560 We'll get back to some NBA. But time now for 1675 01:27:32.600 --> 01:27:34.880 some soccer. Been excited for this all day when I 1676 01:27:34.880 --> 01:27:36.600 saw his name on the rundown. Let's welcome in the 1677 01:27:36.640 --> 01:27:40.119 head coach over Al Salt Lake Pablo Mastruetti on a 1678 01:27:40.119 --> 01:27:42.600 Tuesday afternoon. Pob's my guy, so good to talk to you. 1679 01:27:42.680 --> 01:27:52.079 Happy tuesdaypoint. Oh no, oh no, is it? 1680 01:27:52.159 --> 01:27:54.640 Is it Trey? We got traded at it? Oh? 1681 01:27:54.680 --> 01:27:58.600 Yeah, sorry, Pablo sends his regrets. 1682 01:27:59.319 --> 01:27:59.960 Is he dodging me? 1683 01:28:01.159 --> 01:28:03.279 No, he says he'd be He'd be happy to get 1684 01:28:03.279 --> 01:28:05.399 on with you another time this week. But he's a 1685 01:28:06.439 --> 01:28:08.920 he's literally been in a three hour meeting trying to 1686 01:28:09.680 --> 01:28:13.880 obviously get some things moving ahead, moving forward, getting things done. 1687 01:28:14.000 --> 01:28:16.600 Yeah, and some things have to move forward real quick. 1688 01:28:16.680 --> 01:28:19.920 Do you feel better about your Denver Nuggets since it's 1689 01:28:19.960 --> 01:28:21.680 been the only team in the West that made okay 1690 01:28:21.720 --> 01:28:23.039 see even kind of uncomfortable. 1691 01:28:25.279 --> 01:28:28.800 No moral victories? I mean, am I proud of how 1692 01:28:28.840 --> 01:28:33.880 they withstood the onslaught that is, the OKAC Thunder and 1693 01:28:34.039 --> 01:28:40.800 Shay Gilles Alexander sometimes known as Shameless Grifter Alexander. Yeah, 1694 01:28:40.800 --> 01:28:43.399 but the Nuggets just have so many problems and issues 1695 01:28:43.399 --> 01:28:46.039 of their own. It's kind of a hollow victory. 1696 01:28:46.079 --> 01:28:46.399 I guess. 1697 01:28:46.479 --> 01:28:49.039 Let me follow up real quick. You said no moral victories, right, 1698 01:28:49.880 --> 01:28:51.800 I did say that, all right? Moving over to our 1699 01:28:51.920 --> 01:28:56.239 local soccer club that has gone seven matches. 1700 01:28:55.920 --> 01:28:59.000 Now, without a win. Look, man, you know I love 1701 01:28:59.039 --> 01:28:59.479 you guys. 1702 01:28:59.600 --> 01:29:01.159 You know I want to give you space here and 1703 01:29:01.239 --> 01:29:04.359 try to support the endeavor and try to spin things 1704 01:29:04.359 --> 01:29:07.520 as positive as possibly can. Trey, I think this is 1705 01:29:07.560 --> 01:29:09.680 as bad as it's been in a number of years. 1706 01:29:10.000 --> 01:29:11.920 Is that kind of a sentiment over there with the club? 1707 01:29:13.560 --> 01:29:16.880 Certainly from a results perspective. Yeah, the last seven game 1708 01:29:16.920 --> 01:29:21.439 winless run was in twenty sixteen, at the tail end 1709 01:29:21.439 --> 01:29:26.319 of the Jeff Gasar era. For those who participated in 1710 01:29:26.439 --> 01:29:31.880 Pablo's postgame media zoom on Saturday, you could sense the frustration. 1711 01:29:32.159 --> 01:29:34.600 But you know, Pablo has been very consistent for the 1712 01:29:34.680 --> 01:29:40.039 last I don't know, man, a couple months, and I 1713 01:29:40.079 --> 01:29:45.039 think he does, honestly feel like the performances have been there, 1714 01:29:45.119 --> 01:29:48.880 But it is moments, like he always says, and whether 1715 01:29:48.880 --> 01:29:52.000 it's a mistake in the back, an unlucky bounce, a 1716 01:29:52.039 --> 01:29:55.520 bad refereeing decision, or just a lack of quality in 1717 01:29:55.560 --> 01:30:00.560 the attacking third where you know, box the box, He's please. 1718 01:30:00.640 --> 01:30:03.119 But that game the other night, I know it was 1719 01:30:03.720 --> 01:30:06.039 a rough watch and there's no glad and no a 1720 01:30:06.119 --> 01:30:09.800 Mecca and no Diogo, and you can make excuses and 1721 01:30:09.840 --> 01:30:12.520 you got a lot of kids out there, and you know, 1722 01:30:12.720 --> 01:30:15.159 Noel Kaliskin had been left on an island with Joseph 1723 01:30:15.199 --> 01:30:19.479 Painhill all night, and you know, on one particular occurrence, 1724 01:30:19.479 --> 01:30:21.239 he makes a play on the ball and the ball 1725 01:30:21.279 --> 01:30:25.199 scorts back to Joseph's feet and he's a world class 1726 01:30:25.199 --> 01:30:27.800 player and he gets the goal. So it's frustrating, but 1727 01:30:28.399 --> 01:30:31.880 I think the encouraging thing for somebody like me that's 1728 01:30:31.920 --> 01:30:35.359 been through this a million times it feels like, is 1729 01:30:35.399 --> 01:30:39.319 that we have seventeen games left. You have twenty games 1730 01:30:39.399 --> 01:30:41.600 left if you count League's Cup, maybe a few more, 1731 01:30:42.319 --> 01:30:46.239 and the guys are still together. But clearly the summer 1732 01:30:46.279 --> 01:30:49.439 window that opens July twenty fourth, and you know, we 1733 01:30:49.479 --> 01:30:52.479 don't have a lot of games in June, so there 1734 01:30:52.560 --> 01:30:55.640 is some time that LAFC game on June twenty fifth 1735 01:30:55.680 --> 01:30:58.800 is going to get moved, likely to September because of 1736 01:30:58.840 --> 01:31:03.199 their participation World Cup. So things are kind of going 1737 01:31:03.279 --> 01:31:06.640 to be backloaded, and they're going to be homeloaded basically 1738 01:31:06.680 --> 01:31:10.640 from July first on. So I think there's an opportunity, 1739 01:31:10.680 --> 01:31:13.000 but there's just no margin for error either. 1740 01:31:13.319 --> 01:31:16.039 Does that mean you guys will have two games in 1741 01:31:16.079 --> 01:31:17.319 the month of June. 1742 01:31:19.680 --> 01:31:22.359 That is correct June fourteenth at home, when we honor 1743 01:31:22.439 --> 01:31:25.880 Nick Romondo in June twenty eighth in Kansas City, and 1744 01:31:25.880 --> 01:31:30.359 that is because the league is taking some international breaks 1745 01:31:30.359 --> 01:31:31.880 for both the Club World Cup and. 1746 01:31:31.800 --> 01:31:32.399 The Gold Cup. 1747 01:31:33.920 --> 01:31:37.399 Jeez, well, that gives you a lot of time to reflect, 1748 01:31:37.439 --> 01:31:38.479 a lot of time to train. 1749 01:31:39.720 --> 01:31:39.920 You know. 1750 01:31:40.000 --> 01:31:43.840 Bill Simmons has this theory that started in nineteen ninety nine. 1751 01:31:43.880 --> 01:31:47.439 He calls it the Patrick Ewing theory and it's predicated 1752 01:31:47.479 --> 01:31:49.880 on the nineteen ninety nine New York Knicks where Patrick 1753 01:31:49.920 --> 01:31:53.479 Ewing got hurt and then somehow, some way Marcus can 1754 01:31:53.560 --> 01:31:55.560 be figured out how to play center at a high level. 1755 01:31:56.239 --> 01:31:59.560 Larry Johnson, Spree, Allen Houston. That group went to the 1756 01:31:59.640 --> 01:32:02.199 NBA Finals even though Ewing was hurt. So he has 1757 01:32:02.199 --> 01:32:05.800 this Patrick Ewing theory where at times your best player 1758 01:32:05.880 --> 01:32:08.880 gets hurt or is unavailable and the group just finds 1759 01:32:08.920 --> 01:32:13.680 a way to kind of come together, and the collective 1760 01:32:13.680 --> 01:32:15.960 effort of the group without the star player is something 1761 01:32:16.000 --> 01:32:18.880 at times that can manifest results that nobody sees coming. 1762 01:32:19.760 --> 01:32:20.560 Our guy ZK. 1763 01:32:20.840 --> 01:32:23.439 Chris Camaronnie on the program has had this walking line 1764 01:32:23.439 --> 01:32:26.239 this year when I ask him, what does RSL do well, 1765 01:32:26.800 --> 01:32:30.159 he says, they Diego Luna well, and that's about it. 1766 01:32:30.680 --> 01:32:33.640 So Diego makes his way to the US men's national 1767 01:32:33.680 --> 01:32:35.239 team for the World Cup. How long is he going 1768 01:32:35.279 --> 01:32:37.880 to be gone, Trey, He's. 1769 01:32:37.720 --> 01:32:40.279 Going to be gone, depending how the US does. I 1770 01:32:40.279 --> 01:32:44.279 could see him being gone until June or sorry, July tenth. 1771 01:32:44.399 --> 01:32:45.039 Let's say, all. 1772 01:32:45.079 --> 01:32:47.520 Right, so you're going to play at least four maybe 1773 01:32:47.600 --> 01:32:52.119 five matches without Diego, and even if it's not Diego scoring, 1774 01:32:52.359 --> 01:32:54.079 he creates most of the chances. 1775 01:32:54.359 --> 01:32:55.680 Our guy, Big Willie goals. 1776 01:32:55.720 --> 01:32:57.920 Shout out to Big Willie got his first goal, but 1777 01:32:57.960 --> 01:33:00.199 it was due to the service of da Go. 1778 01:33:00.840 --> 01:33:01.159 Uh. 1779 01:33:01.199 --> 01:33:04.640 He has been everything and sometimes the only thing in 1780 01:33:04.680 --> 01:33:05.720 the attack for this club. 1781 01:33:05.720 --> 01:33:07.399 How do you make up for his absence. 1782 01:33:09.239 --> 01:33:12.640 It's gonna be hard. Obviously, you're gonna be missing Dominic 1783 01:33:12.720 --> 01:33:16.960 Martuk during this month of June, as well as Diego, Luna, 1784 01:33:18.119 --> 01:33:22.560 Gozo and Ripel. They are in international duty right now, 1785 01:33:22.960 --> 01:33:28.800 but they'll be back for the fourteenth. Diogo Gonsalvez, who 1786 01:33:29.279 --> 01:33:32.560 you know has been hurt and out, he will be 1787 01:33:32.600 --> 01:33:35.560 back on the fourteenth. So you're gonna have to find 1788 01:33:35.560 --> 01:33:39.159 a way to do something without the gravity and quality 1789 01:33:39.319 --> 01:33:43.520 that Diego Luna provides and could it be Willie, could 1790 01:33:43.560 --> 01:33:47.720 it be Ari? Could it be young Aiden has Arkani 1791 01:33:47.880 --> 01:33:52.640 who made his debut seventeen year old, Like, you know, 1792 01:33:52.760 --> 01:33:55.119 our best three, our best two players this year have 1793 01:33:55.199 --> 01:33:59.359 been probably Gozo and Luna and you know, eighteen and 1794 01:33:59.439 --> 01:34:01.720 a twenty one year old. So you do need some 1795 01:34:01.840 --> 01:34:06.479 veterans to step up. Johnny Russell presumably will be fit 1796 01:34:06.680 --> 01:34:09.199 and able to contribute more minutes. He and his longest 1797 01:34:09.279 --> 01:34:13.039 hint of his brief tenures so far on Saturday night 1798 01:34:13.039 --> 01:34:15.560 in La. So it is going to take a committee 1799 01:34:15.560 --> 01:34:19.319 because you know, nobody's walking through that door for at 1800 01:34:19.399 --> 01:34:21.920 least another, you know, six weeks. 1801 01:34:22.079 --> 01:34:25.479 I'm down, Rick Patino, all right, let me because your 1802 01:34:25.520 --> 01:34:30.560 reference Diogo and Jason on the show last week broke 1803 01:34:30.640 --> 01:34:33.600 the news that Diogo was left off the road trip 1804 01:34:33.640 --> 01:34:37.000 that included Austin in LA. But it was not because 1805 01:34:37.039 --> 01:34:40.079 of health, it was because of disciplinary reasons. You guys 1806 01:34:40.159 --> 01:34:42.199 don't think of announced anything official. Can you shed some 1807 01:34:42.279 --> 01:34:43.079 light on what happened? 1808 01:34:43.800 --> 01:34:47.239 Yeah, Basically, in his first training session back, I think 1809 01:34:47.279 --> 01:34:51.399 Pablo was kind of disappointed with how let's say, maybe 1810 01:34:51.439 --> 01:34:55.079 a lack of vigor that Diogo was taking his rehab 1811 01:34:55.159 --> 01:34:59.960 and his approach to healing and getting back into the mix, 1812 01:35:00.119 --> 01:35:03.119 and Pablo made the decision to leave them home. So 1813 01:35:03.960 --> 01:35:06.479 disciplinary may have been a strong word. It was kind 1814 01:35:06.479 --> 01:35:10.119 of internal, I guess, if you want to look at 1815 01:35:10.119 --> 01:35:13.359 it that way, And it was really just Pablo's disappointment. 1816 01:35:13.479 --> 01:35:17.359 And Diego trained last week with the Monarchs. By all accounts, 1817 01:35:17.399 --> 01:35:20.800 he had a great attitude and he fought through it well, 1818 01:35:20.960 --> 01:35:24.720 and he was back with RSL today and he'll train 1819 01:35:24.800 --> 01:35:29.119 with RSL obviously like the next two weeks and get 1820 01:35:29.159 --> 01:35:30.000 ready for the fourteen. 1821 01:35:31.079 --> 01:35:34.479 Well, I mean, let's stay in this space for a moment, 1822 01:35:34.560 --> 01:35:40.319 because to me, in my opinion, track the next few matches, 1823 01:35:40.560 --> 01:35:43.600 we'll say a lot about Diogo, and my hope is 1824 01:35:44.520 --> 01:35:48.479 he looks at the current situation, understands that he is 1825 01:35:48.760 --> 01:35:53.239 literally the only designated player on the roster, and realizes 1826 01:35:53.279 --> 01:35:55.640 that Diego's gone for a minute and the other pieces 1827 01:35:55.680 --> 01:35:58.000 you reference are gone for a minute. This could be 1828 01:35:58.119 --> 01:36:00.680 his time to actually finally step up and say, no, 1829 01:36:00.840 --> 01:36:03.680 I am not this disappointment that everybody believes that I 1830 01:36:03.720 --> 01:36:06.680 am right now, And let's be clear, everybody believes that 1831 01:36:06.720 --> 01:36:09.119 he is right now I mean, I'm sure there's quote 1832 01:36:09.199 --> 01:36:12.479 unquote internal belief in what he could be. But at 1833 01:36:12.479 --> 01:36:14.319 some point, man, you just roll your eyes at that 1834 01:36:14.359 --> 01:36:18.039 stuff and say, show me during a game, please, that 1835 01:36:18.119 --> 01:36:21.199 you want to earn your paycheck, like this could be 1836 01:36:21.239 --> 01:36:22.199 an opportunity for. 1837 01:36:22.199 --> 01:36:23.119 Him, you know what I mean? 1838 01:36:23.960 --> 01:36:27.039 Yep, I think you're absolutely right, Spence, and I think 1839 01:36:28.399 --> 01:36:29.960 you know we're gonna find out what he's made of, 1840 01:36:30.119 --> 01:36:32.159 right is he does he want to come back with 1841 01:36:32.199 --> 01:36:35.439 a chip on his shoulder and diego gone like you said, 1842 01:36:35.520 --> 01:36:38.640 and be like, hey, guys, I'm the man, I'm the 1843 01:36:38.720 --> 01:36:42.239 number ten, follow me, And that's what I think everybody 1844 01:36:42.279 --> 01:36:47.600 wants to see. I do think the locker room still 1845 01:36:47.640 --> 01:36:53.399 believes in him as a human and as a well 1846 01:36:53.840 --> 01:36:58.439 abandoned him in that locker room. So hopefully, hopefully we 1847 01:36:58.520 --> 01:37:02.319 see the man infestation of that obviously on the fourteenth 1848 01:37:03.640 --> 01:37:04.199 right beyond. 1849 01:37:04.640 --> 01:37:06.520 Yeah, no, for sure, for sure. 1850 01:37:06.640 --> 01:37:10.279 And look, if he is as bright as Pablo says 1851 01:37:10.319 --> 01:37:12.359 he is, and as you say he is, and Kurt 1852 01:37:12.399 --> 01:37:15.399 and everybody else, if he really has that that that 1853 01:37:15.439 --> 01:37:18.880 skill set, maybe it just maybe it does just take 1854 01:37:18.920 --> 01:37:21.880 one or two matches where finally something clicks and he's 1855 01:37:21.920 --> 01:37:24.760 been over in MLS for over a year now, and 1856 01:37:24.800 --> 01:37:26.680 he gets what it's like to play in this league. 1857 01:37:26.680 --> 01:37:29.039 Like if he does have the skill set you guys 1858 01:37:29.039 --> 01:37:32.159 claim that he has, maybe it is a scenario where 1859 01:37:32.159 --> 01:37:34.520 one or two games where things are going through him 1860 01:37:34.520 --> 01:37:37.359 and it actually works, could be a conduit to the 1861 01:37:37.399 --> 01:37:39.279 rest of the year. I guess that's an optimistic way 1862 01:37:39.279 --> 01:37:41.600 of looking at it. But it's not nothing. 1863 01:37:42.840 --> 01:37:45.880 Yeah, I think you're right, and I think everybody from Pablo, 1864 01:37:45.960 --> 01:37:50.800 Kurt Jason, you know, the assistant coaches, the staff in 1865 01:37:50.840 --> 01:37:52.720 the locker room, I think everybody does have that belief. 1866 01:37:52.760 --> 01:37:57.239 Clearly nobody is more disappointed. And maybe let's call it 1867 01:37:57.279 --> 01:37:59.720 a lack of production. What is he He's probably played 1868 01:38:00.039 --> 01:38:05.159 twenty four games since arriving. I think he scored three goals, 1869 01:38:05.800 --> 01:38:09.199 and it's been it's been a tough go and not 1870 01:38:09.399 --> 01:38:11.800 just for him, for the whole club. And you know, 1871 01:38:11.840 --> 01:38:14.640 I think the great thing about the culture under Pablo 1872 01:38:15.039 --> 01:38:21.319 is the lack of internal finger pointing. Right, people don't 1873 01:38:21.359 --> 01:38:24.760 blame each other. And this was the discussion inside the 1874 01:38:24.760 --> 01:38:28.960 locker room Saturday night after a very disappointing loss to 1875 01:38:29.039 --> 01:38:32.880 the Galaxy, and it started with Pablo delivering the message, 1876 01:38:32.880 --> 01:38:36.319 and it was other guys stepping up and talking, but 1877 01:38:36.560 --> 01:38:38.479 everybody was like, look, we just got to look in 1878 01:38:38.520 --> 01:38:41.720 the mirror and figure out how to give one percent 1879 01:38:41.840 --> 01:38:45.279 more because I think, you know, Saturday was maybe a 1880 01:38:45.319 --> 01:38:48.000 drop off in quality as a viewer and as a 1881 01:38:48.039 --> 01:38:51.840 fan from the Wednesday game against Austin, which clearly ended 1882 01:38:51.840 --> 01:38:54.520 with a little bit of a ninetieth minute heartbreak with 1883 01:38:54.560 --> 01:38:59.920 that goal conceded, but Saturday's Galaxy game as probably a 1884 01:39:00.159 --> 01:39:02.600 rough watch that it was for the for the fans. 1885 01:39:04.359 --> 01:39:07.479 The sports performance coach or whatever, he put out a 1886 01:39:07.520 --> 01:39:12.199 note to the group yesterday saying that the outputs so 1887 01:39:12.319 --> 01:39:16.920 the brown covered, the sprints, just the physical exertion was 1888 01:39:16.960 --> 01:39:21.239 the highest of the year, and I think there's positives 1889 01:39:21.239 --> 01:39:23.840 in that. It's not the be all end all, obviously, 1890 01:39:24.520 --> 01:39:27.920 but you know, we had guys come in and fill 1891 01:39:27.920 --> 01:39:30.680 in for Glad and a Mecca and other guys that 1892 01:39:30.720 --> 01:39:34.600 were missing, and they work their pales off, and so 1893 01:39:35.239 --> 01:39:37.359 that's got to be, I guess, the foundation to kind 1894 01:39:37.359 --> 01:39:39.760 of build on as you you turn the page into 1895 01:39:39.760 --> 01:39:42.840 the second half of the MLS season, and even though 1896 01:39:42.880 --> 01:39:46.119 it's been ugly, there's a glut of teams in the 1897 01:39:46.199 --> 01:39:48.479 in the Western Conference that are all right there within 1898 01:39:48.520 --> 01:39:51.199 a couple of games, and if we can put a 1899 01:39:51.279 --> 01:39:54.600 run together eight out of ten at home. I understand 1900 01:39:54.600 --> 01:39:57.760 we've not been great at home previously this year, but 1901 01:39:58.359 --> 01:40:02.119 you know, over the long haul has been home cooking 1902 01:40:02.199 --> 01:40:04.840 has been healing for us. And so I think that's 1903 01:40:04.920 --> 01:40:06.760 really going to be the focus for the group as 1904 01:40:06.800 --> 01:40:11.520 we go from June fourteenth to August sixth, playing eight 1905 01:40:11.520 --> 01:40:13.600 out of game, eight out of ten games at home, 1906 01:40:14.680 --> 01:40:19.840 adding hopefully another DP and maybe another high level player 1907 01:40:19.920 --> 01:40:24.720 depending on how the roster construct goes during the summer window. 1908 01:40:25.079 --> 01:40:29.479 And yeah, I think there's a lot of I don't 1909 01:40:29.479 --> 01:40:32.159 think the optimism or the hope is false, I guess, 1910 01:40:32.279 --> 01:40:34.680 is what I'm trying to say. I mean, everybody's dealing 1911 01:40:34.680 --> 01:40:38.600 in reality. Everybody understands that the results have not been 1912 01:40:38.640 --> 01:40:42.720 good enough. But I think Pablo is very good about 1913 01:40:43.239 --> 01:40:45.039 trying to figure out how to not throw the baby 1914 01:40:45.039 --> 01:40:46.680 out with the bathwater, if you. 1915 01:40:46.640 --> 01:40:51.439 Will, All right, So I've asked Pablo, Jason, and Kurt 1916 01:40:51.960 --> 01:40:54.439 the following question, and I'm going to pose it to you. 1917 01:40:55.880 --> 01:40:59.680 Chicho Wrongo seventeen goals, twelve assists, last year, Andres Gooms 1918 01:40:59.720 --> 01:41:02.960 thirty goals, nine assists, and Oh Anderson Julio nine goals, 1919 01:41:02.960 --> 01:41:05.479 three assists, Matt Crooks three goals, five assists. 1920 01:41:06.159 --> 01:41:08.399 So what is fair? 1921 01:41:08.479 --> 01:41:12.119 Because you've heard the criticism yours online as anybody, including 1922 01:41:12.159 --> 01:41:16.279 my fourteen year old teenage nephew. You know, you hear 1923 01:41:16.399 --> 01:41:19.279 from fans, you probably hear from media, you probably hear 1924 01:41:19.479 --> 01:41:22.800 on this show that I view it as a failure 1925 01:41:23.000 --> 01:41:24.119 of whatever. 1926 01:41:24.439 --> 01:41:26.520 I don't know exactly where to aim here. 1927 01:41:26.560 --> 01:41:28.239 I'm not going to put out an instaple on my 1928 01:41:28.319 --> 01:41:31.720 Twitter to have people vote on whose fault this is. 1929 01:41:32.640 --> 01:41:35.119 But it has been a failure to not bring in 1930 01:41:35.199 --> 01:41:39.880 reinforcements juxtaposed to all of the talented attacking players. You 1931 01:41:39.920 --> 01:41:44.640 guys either sold or traded. Why what happened? Who's I'm 1932 01:41:44.680 --> 01:41:45.520 not a who's to blame? 1933 01:41:45.560 --> 01:41:45.720 Guy? 1934 01:41:46.039 --> 01:41:47.840 So I'll ask you the same way I asked Jason. 1935 01:41:47.880 --> 01:41:52.079 What's fair to say about the inability of ownership the 1936 01:41:52.119 --> 01:41:56.079 front office talent evaluators? What have you to replace potentially 1937 01:41:56.079 --> 01:41:58.640 the most exciting attacking group, honestly, that we may have 1938 01:41:58.680 --> 01:41:59.680 ever had here last year? 1939 01:42:01.520 --> 01:42:05.520 Yeah? No, Look, it's a fair question, right, And I 1940 01:42:05.560 --> 01:42:10.640 think you start by saying for the eighty eighth time 1941 01:42:10.840 --> 01:42:14.239 right like, there was no way to not do the 1942 01:42:14.279 --> 01:42:21.079 Andres Gomez deal. Clearly, the chiecho situation, nobody anticipated the 1943 01:42:21.199 --> 01:42:24.199 lack of production in the second half last season. I 1944 01:42:24.239 --> 01:42:31.600 think you can say that when the reinforcements were brought 1945 01:42:31.600 --> 01:42:36.319 in last August, and that's Dominic Marchuk, Lachlan Brook, Diogo, 1946 01:42:36.319 --> 01:42:40.600 Gonsolvis and Javane Brown. And Javane clearly not an attacker, 1947 01:42:40.640 --> 01:42:46.479 but the other three are that the anticipated assimilation and 1948 01:42:46.840 --> 01:42:51.119 goal and assist production from those players in place of 1949 01:42:51.239 --> 01:42:56.760 Andres that did not have not come to fruition. I 1950 01:42:56.800 --> 01:43:02.000 think there's other you know, Gozo might be a bonus, 1951 01:43:02.039 --> 01:43:05.199 but there were people that wanted Pablo to play Gozo 1952 01:43:05.239 --> 01:43:08.279 a year ago, and Gozo wasn't ready. Gozo was running 1953 01:43:08.319 --> 01:43:13.640 between Academy Monarchs US youth national team, so he had 1954 01:43:13.640 --> 01:43:17.000 a very frazzled kind of twenty twenty four. But clearly 1955 01:43:17.039 --> 01:43:18.479 we're seeing the benefit. 1956 01:43:18.079 --> 01:43:19.520 Of that now. 1957 01:43:19.600 --> 01:43:22.960 I think, you know, there's no one silver bullet that 1958 01:43:23.000 --> 01:43:27.119 could have fixed all that goal production and all that 1959 01:43:28.359 --> 01:43:31.960 productivity that you just outlined, not just Chico and Andres, 1960 01:43:32.000 --> 01:43:38.680 but Crooks for sure. Anderson Julio. Clearly the Elias Manuel 1961 01:43:39.199 --> 01:43:42.640 trade with New York did not work out as anticipated, 1962 01:43:43.039 --> 01:43:46.840 the timing of Elias saying I object to being traded 1963 01:43:47.279 --> 01:43:50.439 from New York to anywhere else in MLS. You know, 1964 01:43:50.560 --> 01:43:53.079 that came at a time that was very difficult for 1965 01:43:53.159 --> 01:43:57.359 us to find suitable replacement to go into Conca Calf. 1966 01:43:58.239 --> 01:44:01.000 Then you had the Bosonic deal, thal Are on deadline 1967 01:44:01.079 --> 01:44:04.720 day and you end up with Williegatta and Johnny Russell 1968 01:44:05.239 --> 01:44:08.439 that week. So again I don't know that Kurt or 1969 01:44:08.520 --> 01:44:12.399 Jason or Pablo, and they've talked about this publicly where 1970 01:44:12.479 --> 01:44:14.760 the guys that have come in none of them are 1971 01:44:14.800 --> 01:44:19.159 a like for like chi Cho replacement. Many of them 1972 01:44:20.039 --> 01:44:23.640 and still be very much a Julio replacement. And so 1973 01:44:24.359 --> 01:44:28.399 that really pushes our chips towards the summer window which 1974 01:44:28.439 --> 01:44:32.000 opens July twenty fourth. Hopefully some guys get done and 1975 01:44:32.039 --> 01:44:35.880 they're here and they're training for a full month before 1976 01:44:35.920 --> 01:44:38.800 they are eligible to play on the twenty sixth, I think, 1977 01:44:38.840 --> 01:44:43.079 which is Chicho's homecoming to America, first field in Sandy, 1978 01:44:43.640 --> 01:44:47.319 and they're ready to hit the ground running. That I 1979 01:44:47.359 --> 01:44:51.039 think is what Kurt and Pablo and Jason and Tony 1980 01:44:51.159 --> 01:44:53.560 and the group are trying to get done right now 1981 01:44:53.600 --> 01:44:54.159 for the summer. 1982 01:44:55.600 --> 01:44:58.680 So if and I've talked about this on a couple 1983 01:44:58.720 --> 01:45:03.079 of different occasions, So if the information that was out 1984 01:45:03.119 --> 01:45:05.159 there as you guys were close to getting other players 1985 01:45:05.159 --> 01:45:08.640 across the line during the primary transfer window. So if 1986 01:45:08.640 --> 01:45:14.319 that's the case, it should be realistic to expect players 1987 01:45:14.359 --> 01:45:18.319 across the line quickly when the summer window opens. And 1988 01:45:18.359 --> 01:45:21.640 I believe that gives you thirteen matches, and some of 1989 01:45:21.640 --> 01:45:25.439 that is League's Cup, right, So that's enough time to 1990 01:45:25.479 --> 01:45:30.000 salvage something. But in the meantime you've got to tread 1991 01:45:30.039 --> 01:45:33.840 water and start getting some points so you don't have 1992 01:45:33.880 --> 01:45:37.439 to win your final seven matches, which you won't do anyway. 1993 01:45:38.279 --> 01:45:40.439 Does it feel like this season has already lost, Tray, 1994 01:45:40.560 --> 01:45:42.439 Does it feel like this season is already lost? 1995 01:45:45.359 --> 01:45:47.600 I've heard you say that, I've heard Cameronie say that. 1996 01:45:48.439 --> 01:45:52.159 I disagree with you, guys. I mean, there's seventeen regular 1997 01:45:52.199 --> 01:45:57.119 season games left in a row. 1998 01:45:57.239 --> 01:45:58.079 You shoot right up. 1999 01:45:58.079 --> 01:46:04.000 The standings, so well, I look again, not lost a 2000 01:46:04.039 --> 01:46:07.560 ton of margin for errors. I guess how I would 2001 01:46:07.600 --> 01:46:11.560 put it. I'm very optimistic in the talent in the 2002 01:46:11.600 --> 01:46:15.000 locker room the cohesion and maybe adding a couple of 2003 01:46:15.039 --> 01:46:18.960 difference makers, you know, hopefully a Mechaanelli is back in 2004 01:46:19.159 --> 01:46:25.840 four weeks and twelve, which is kind of prest reaction 2005 01:46:26.000 --> 01:46:31.119 and trying to avoid a stress fracture back there, you know, 2006 01:46:31.279 --> 01:46:34.239 in his fifth metatarsal on his right foot. So look, 2007 01:46:34.279 --> 01:46:37.239 I'm not going to say it's lost. I think there's 2008 01:46:37.279 --> 01:46:41.359 a lot of motivation in that group to try to 2009 01:46:41.359 --> 01:46:48.039 try to reclaim some consistency and and not just be 2010 01:46:48.239 --> 01:46:52.279 quality box to box, but be quality on the defensive end. 2011 01:46:52.399 --> 01:46:55.760 In front of Cabral who's been amazing this year. Brian 2012 01:46:55.880 --> 01:46:58.840 Vera is back, he looks to be full strength again. 2013 01:46:59.640 --> 01:47:02.800 And then in the attacking end, we got to score goals. 2014 01:47:02.840 --> 01:47:06.439 We've been shut out too many times, and that's where 2015 01:47:06.479 --> 01:47:11.800 the frustration clearly has a contrast to where we were 2016 01:47:11.840 --> 01:47:15.439 a year ago through seventeen games with Chico on fire 2017 01:47:15.520 --> 01:47:18.800 and andres earning the transfer to France. 2018 01:47:19.760 --> 01:47:21.159 All right, before I set you loose. 2019 01:47:22.119 --> 01:47:27.239 Another interesting dynamic of multiple, multiple different interviews I've done 2020 01:47:28.560 --> 01:47:31.479 is Pablo joining the show and saying that he's been 2021 01:47:31.520 --> 01:47:35.279 informed by ownership that this whole ethos of developing and 2022 01:47:35.319 --> 01:47:38.720 selling players is no longer the thing. They do not 2023 01:47:39.000 --> 01:47:42.560 want to necessarily sell a young player who has a 2024 01:47:42.560 --> 01:47:46.159 bright future that could make a difference here, and namely 2025 01:47:46.159 --> 01:47:47.319 I'm talking about Diego. 2026 01:47:47.479 --> 01:47:47.680 Right. 2027 01:47:48.479 --> 01:47:51.399 Then Kurt joins the show the next week, and he 2028 01:47:51.520 --> 01:47:54.279 was a little bit more noncommittal. Hey, look, this is 2029 01:47:54.319 --> 01:47:58.840 a contextualized conversation where if you get the right nobody 2030 01:47:59.039 --> 01:48:02.439 is untradeable, Babe, Ruth Will Chamberlain. We could keep going 2031 01:48:02.520 --> 01:48:07.079 like nobody's untouchable, that doesn't exist, and if the rite 2032 01:48:07.079 --> 01:48:09.119 offer comes along that makes sense for the club, I'd 2033 01:48:09.159 --> 01:48:12.279 imagine you'd still do it. And then Jason joined the 2034 01:48:12.319 --> 01:48:16.960 show and basically says what Pablo was alluding to was a. 2035 01:48:16.920 --> 01:48:22.680 Little bit overstated, is how I'll put that. She had 2036 01:48:22.720 --> 01:48:23.880 some light here on. 2037 01:48:24.079 --> 01:48:26.640 What some people believe as a new approach and other 2038 01:48:26.680 --> 01:48:28.880 people believe is not necessarily the deal. 2039 01:48:31.319 --> 01:48:35.199 Yeah, I think both are right, right, Like I think 2040 01:48:35.239 --> 01:48:39.119 Pablo has been communicated to that, Hey, we're not just 2041 01:48:39.199 --> 01:48:42.560 going to keep running young guys out there and try 2042 01:48:42.560 --> 01:48:44.880 to flip them. Obviously we did well last year with 2043 01:48:44.960 --> 01:48:52.680 Barajas and then Andre Spilmes, Right, but particular to Diego, Luna, 2044 01:48:52.760 --> 01:48:55.560 it's it's you have it right, Like. 2045 01:48:55.560 --> 01:48:56.359 There's a number. 2046 01:48:56.399 --> 01:48:58.720 I don't know what the number is, but at some 2047 01:48:58.840 --> 01:49:01.760 point somebody's an to us with a number that's going 2048 01:49:01.840 --> 01:49:05.640 to make us think long and hard. Now that being said, 2049 01:49:05.840 --> 01:49:09.880 I do believe that these Starts and others at the 2050 01:49:09.920 --> 01:49:13.159 Miller Group are like, Okay, as we're learning how this 2051 01:49:13.319 --> 01:49:15.920 league works and how this sport works around the world, 2052 01:49:16.520 --> 01:49:19.359 what needs to happen for us to keep Diego Luna 2053 01:49:19.399 --> 01:49:21.960 here for a long time and a Mecca and Nelly 2054 01:49:22.199 --> 01:49:25.439 and Justin Glad And how do we build a core 2055 01:49:25.920 --> 01:49:29.279 that we can then add around that will compete for 2056 01:49:29.359 --> 01:49:33.319 trophies and win titles or win championships. That's their stated desire. 2057 01:49:34.119 --> 01:49:37.520 So does it mean that we won't sell young players, No, 2058 01:49:37.640 --> 01:49:39.880 of course, not like we cannot participate in the world 2059 01:49:39.880 --> 01:49:44.840 marketplace if we don't eventually sell I don't know man 2060 01:49:45.079 --> 01:49:51.560 Down or Gozo or Aiden or Owen Anderson or you know, 2061 01:49:51.560 --> 01:49:54.560 we've got a million great young goalkeepers like those guys 2062 01:49:54.600 --> 01:49:57.720 are going to kind of dictate their path. Not everybody 2063 01:49:58.159 --> 01:49:59.479 is going to want to stay in Salt Lake for 2064 01:49:59.520 --> 01:50:02.760 another fi fifteen years or ten years even, but there 2065 01:50:02.800 --> 01:50:05.119 may be some guys that really do say you know what, 2066 01:50:05.199 --> 01:50:07.279 I want you to build this club around me. I 2067 01:50:07.319 --> 01:50:10.079 want to be the leader, and I want to bring 2068 01:50:10.159 --> 01:50:13.000 hardware back to Salt Lake City, which clearly hasn't happened 2069 01:50:14.039 --> 01:50:16.760 in fifteen years. So I think it's going to be 2070 01:50:16.800 --> 01:50:19.920 maybe a little more of a hybrid approach than than 2071 01:50:20.039 --> 01:50:23.359 what Kurt and Jason and Pablo were kind of tasked 2072 01:50:23.359 --> 01:50:26.960 with over the last three years. We're clearly having the 2073 01:50:27.000 --> 01:50:31.000 Blitzer relationship and the family of clubs that they either 2074 01:50:31.039 --> 01:50:36.039 have majority or minority interest in, where there may be 2075 01:50:36.840 --> 01:50:40.640 is more of an opportunity for volatile, more volatile roster 2076 01:50:40.720 --> 01:50:43.840 construction and having players go in and out. But we're 2077 01:50:43.840 --> 01:50:46.560 not going to sell Diego just to sell them like 2078 01:50:46.600 --> 01:50:50.359 it's got to hit a number that makes sense. And 2079 01:50:50.399 --> 01:50:53.640 again that's something Diego and his agent will very much 2080 01:50:53.680 --> 01:50:59.039 participate in that conversation as well as Andres and his did, 2081 01:50:59.560 --> 01:51:03.800 as Gavin Beavers and his did, as Fidel Barajas and 2082 01:51:03.840 --> 01:51:07.760 his did. So it's a collaborative process still. So that 2083 01:51:07.920 --> 01:51:10.960 is very much the consistent factor going forward in the 2084 01:51:10.960 --> 01:51:16.000 world marketplace for what we believe will be several emerging 2085 01:51:16.079 --> 01:51:20.279 classes that are fifteen years old, seventeen year old now 2086 01:51:21.079 --> 01:51:24.520 that will have an opportunity to either play long term 2087 01:51:24.520 --> 01:51:27.840 in MLS or maybe go chase a dream in South 2088 01:51:27.840 --> 01:51:32.039 America or Europe or somewhere else overseas. It's very much 2089 01:51:32.039 --> 01:51:37.840 a customized, I think, opportunity for each player at different stages. 2090 01:51:38.720 --> 01:51:41.439 Sound grumpy man, all right, Well. 2091 01:51:41.399 --> 01:51:43.680 Nikola Jokic is untradable. 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It 2133 01:53:21.680 --> 01:53:23.880 was John Cena hosting wipe Out a minute ago. 2134 01:53:24.199 --> 01:53:26.399 Which was no better than what we're watching now. It's 2135 01:53:26.399 --> 01:53:31.319 some TNT movie. Dave Fox, you okay with headphones. With 2136 01:53:31.399 --> 01:53:33.760 the headphones, but I'm making it work. You think this 2137 01:53:33.840 --> 01:53:34.760 place could afford? 2138 01:53:35.560 --> 01:53:37.399 Okay, did you say I got half an ear in 2139 01:53:37.560 --> 01:53:39.159 Madison beer? Madison Beer. 2140 01:53:39.239 --> 01:53:42.279 Yeah, fifteen minutes was the name of that song, all right, 2141 01:53:42.439 --> 01:53:44.079 which is about how long I'm Gonna lie? 2142 01:53:44.319 --> 01:53:47.479 That sounded like, uh like Sabrina Carpenter like pop? 2143 01:53:47.800 --> 01:53:48.560 What is that? 2144 01:53:48.640 --> 01:53:50.680 Well, it's I mean, it's it's basically E d M. 2145 01:53:50.840 --> 01:53:55.039 But she's yeah, she's a pop artist. It's still got 2146 01:53:55.319 --> 01:53:56.359 a couple of really good songs. 2147 01:53:56.399 --> 01:53:57.960 When did you get into EDM music? 2148 01:53:58.039 --> 01:54:00.880 I've been in my entire life really, it's so weird. 2149 01:54:03.000 --> 01:54:04.720 Was new it was called new wave. 2150 01:54:04.840 --> 01:54:07.319 They didn't have d M. Well, but it was disguise 2151 01:54:07.359 --> 01:54:08.159 as a different name. 2152 01:54:08.520 --> 01:54:10.720 Okay, that's funny. That's that's a good point. Now, so 2153 01:54:10.840 --> 01:54:12.720 you've you've always been in like house music? 2154 01:54:12.840 --> 01:54:15.199 Yeah, I like house music when you were DJ Dave Fox, 2155 01:54:15.439 --> 01:54:19.279 and I also like, like, you know, eclectic, like ny. 2156 01:54:20.640 --> 01:54:23.199 That kind of thing. Let's rock a little before you 2157 01:54:23.199 --> 01:54:23.600 get out of it. 2158 01:54:23.800 --> 01:54:26.039 I don't ever give you that you know, or or 2159 01:54:27.800 --> 01:54:30.560 I'm a big enigma. Yeah, I'm a big enigma guy too. 2160 01:54:31.159 --> 01:54:34.840 Okay, so you just run the spectrum. Yeah, Moby Moby. 2161 01:54:35.319 --> 01:54:36.359 He does a little bit of everything. 2162 01:54:36.439 --> 01:54:39.359 And and to be clear, you're not constantly taking molly 2163 01:54:39.439 --> 01:54:41.119 and listening to d M house music. 2164 01:54:41.199 --> 01:54:42.800 You are drug free? 2165 01:54:42.960 --> 01:54:45.399 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, I'm just making sure because 2166 01:54:45.399 --> 01:54:47.840 most people love DM they like the glow sticks and 2167 01:54:47.880 --> 01:54:48.640 you know all that stuff. 2168 01:54:48.680 --> 01:54:50.239 I just like I like the beat. I like the 2169 01:54:50.279 --> 01:54:52.159 sound of it. You know, That's what I'm rocking when 2170 01:54:52.159 --> 01:54:53.119 I'm driving down the screen. 2171 01:54:53.159 --> 01:54:54.840 Well, you're an upbeat, positive guy. 2172 01:54:56.279 --> 01:55:00.720 I've always been a glass half full always have you? 2173 01:55:00.800 --> 01:55:03.560 Sure? All right? So are you? I'm always looking forward? 2174 01:55:04.119 --> 01:55:08.840 Are you full about the Utah Jazz offseason project with 2175 01:55:08.880 --> 01:55:11.159 a new basketball decision maker in charge? 2176 01:55:11.239 --> 01:55:13.279 Well, if you're asking me about the higher I think 2177 01:55:13.319 --> 01:55:15.239 it's good. I think it's too You know what, We 2178 01:55:15.319 --> 01:55:18.279 spent hours after this announcement trying to figure out exactly 2179 01:55:18.319 --> 01:55:21.399 what the hierarchy was, and Ryan Smith made it very 2180 01:55:21.399 --> 01:55:26.319 clear that Austin Ange is the guy. He an Ange 2181 01:55:26.319 --> 01:55:29.159 even you know, mentions that he did, you know, wisely 2182 01:55:29.199 --> 01:55:32.760 mention that everything runs through Ryan. Ultimately he is, you know, 2183 01:55:32.800 --> 01:55:37.279 after all, the governor of the team. So I and 2184 01:55:37.720 --> 01:55:40.159 you know, it's not like anybody wants to throw out 2185 01:55:40.199 --> 01:55:43.279 the old nepotism thing. Maybe he got a little help 2186 01:55:43.359 --> 01:55:45.760 to this kicking off his career, but he's made a 2187 01:55:45.840 --> 01:55:47.960 name for himself. We know that, and he's done a 2188 01:55:48.039 --> 01:55:50.279 very good job of that. And if he hadn't gotten 2189 01:55:50.279 --> 01:55:52.239 this job, he was sooner or later he's going to 2190 01:55:52.319 --> 01:55:54.279 be a team president somewhere. 2191 01:55:54.439 --> 01:55:56.680 It was just going to happen. That's the trajectory he's on. 2192 01:55:57.359 --> 01:55:59.600 And I think Ryan even mentioned that that he thought 2193 01:55:59.680 --> 01:56:02.119 that might have happened last year and that he missed 2194 01:56:02.119 --> 01:56:03.000 his opportunities. 2195 01:56:03.000 --> 01:56:04.479 So I think it's a good hire. 2196 01:56:04.800 --> 01:56:09.359 It gives the organization even more voices, which they probably need. 2197 01:56:09.399 --> 01:56:10.119 I don't know how much. 2198 01:56:10.199 --> 01:56:12.079 I think we all know Danny doesn't want to, you know, 2199 01:56:12.199 --> 01:56:15.520 kill himself working, and he shouldn't. He's earned, you know, 2200 01:56:15.640 --> 01:56:19.319 whatever semi retirement you want to call it. Xani's been 2201 01:56:19.319 --> 01:56:21.720 through some health things, so there's a lot of I mean, 2202 01:56:22.000 --> 01:56:23.880 this is good, this is really good. 2203 01:56:23.960 --> 01:56:25.159 Yeah, I mean the nepotism thing. 2204 01:56:25.199 --> 01:56:27.520 In fact, Porter, since Dave brought it up, I want 2205 01:56:27.520 --> 01:56:30.239 you to take the opportunity to remind Dave and our 2206 01:56:30.439 --> 01:56:33.279 audience what the official stance is of the drive as 2207 01:56:33.279 --> 01:56:34.520 it pertains to nepotism. 2208 01:56:34.800 --> 01:56:41.920 Yeah, officially from this show. They tell your sounden this too, Dave. No, 2209 01:56:41.960 --> 01:56:44.399 nepotism can't win with him. Don't like it? 2210 01:56:45.159 --> 01:56:47.159 Are we are anti nepotism on the show? 2211 01:56:47.199 --> 01:56:50.079 Okay, but that's fine. But that's what I just said. 2212 01:56:50.199 --> 01:56:52.039 By the way, my son's an attorney. He's not even 2213 01:56:52.119 --> 01:56:54.079 in the media, so that's never. 2214 01:56:53.960 --> 01:56:56.039 Going to choosing you of nepotism. 2215 01:56:56.119 --> 01:56:58.439 I don't think your son's Walton in here anytime. So No, 2216 01:56:58.760 --> 01:57:00.800 I've seen Andrew on the sideline before. 2217 01:57:01.439 --> 01:57:03.920 With some Sibeliers, Fox not a box. 2218 01:57:05.079 --> 01:57:07.680 I just want to be clear that the audience knows 2219 01:57:07.680 --> 01:57:10.600 the official stance of the drive as we are anti neputible. 2220 01:57:10.600 --> 01:57:12.359 Well, then I'm guessing you agree with me that there 2221 01:57:12.399 --> 01:57:16.520 isn't a blatant piece of nepotism on this or do 2222 01:57:16.560 --> 01:57:17.239 you not agree with me? 2223 01:57:17.319 --> 01:57:18.199 No, Dave, it's a bit. 2224 01:57:18.760 --> 01:57:21.159 It's a bit because our textures don't really understand that 2225 01:57:21.199 --> 01:57:23.279 I'm being facetious because I have a famous father. 2226 01:57:23.439 --> 01:57:24.880 It's a bit that we do on the show. 2227 01:57:25.279 --> 01:57:27.039 But no, here's the deal, like in my case I 2228 01:57:27.079 --> 01:57:29.920 am the famous, you are, No, here's the deal, like 2229 01:57:30.760 --> 01:57:33.239 Danny's pedigree speaks for itself. He doesn't need me to 2230 01:57:33.239 --> 01:57:35.640 stand up for him, And Austin's pedigree speaks for itself. 2231 01:57:35.640 --> 01:57:38.680 He worked for the Boston Celtics for seventeen years. The 2232 01:57:38.720 --> 01:57:41.720 Boston Celtics have been the pre eminent franchise in pro basketball, 2233 01:57:41.720 --> 01:57:44.319 along with the Lakers, well really forever, but certainly the 2234 01:57:44.359 --> 01:57:47.920 modern day edition of the Boston Celtics. After they made 2235 01:57:47.960 --> 01:57:50.479 it out of that weird like an Swan Walker phase 2236 01:57:50.640 --> 01:57:53.920 and started winning championships, Austin's had a front row seat 2237 01:57:53.920 --> 01:57:55.359 for all of it. Brad Stevens is one of the 2238 01:57:55.439 --> 01:58:00.960 most respected basketball people period, and Danny's been out of 2239 01:58:01.000 --> 01:58:03.319 Boston now for I think four and a half almost 2240 01:58:03.359 --> 01:58:06.079 five years. If Austin wasn't good at his job, they 2241 01:58:06.079 --> 01:58:08.359 wouldn't have let him stick around just because he was 2242 01:58:08.439 --> 01:58:09.039 Danny's kidd. 2243 01:58:09.039 --> 01:58:10.000 He left. 2244 01:58:10.640 --> 01:58:14.880 He he has a resume that indicates he has qualified 2245 01:58:14.920 --> 01:58:17.560 for the job he's been hired for. I find it 2246 01:58:17.600 --> 01:58:21.920 interesting that apparently Danny and Justin are reporting to Austin. 2247 01:58:22.000 --> 01:58:24.319 Yeah, that part's interesting. What if he just fires his 2248 01:58:24.399 --> 01:58:26.600 dad that dad, you're playing too much golf. 2249 01:58:26.800 --> 01:58:28.800 Here's the part I don't get is how And I 2250 01:58:28.840 --> 01:58:32.600 don't know that much about how companies, you know, break 2251 01:58:32.680 --> 01:58:35.800 down their levels of leadership. But is it the CEO 2252 01:58:36.039 --> 01:58:39.000 generally the top guy? Yeah, I ahead of the president. 2253 01:58:39.119 --> 01:58:41.359 Yeah. But look, here's here's the deal. Like get that. 2254 01:58:41.399 --> 01:58:42.800 And Porter brought this up earlier. 2255 01:58:43.000 --> 01:58:46.279 You know, Danny technically retired when he left the Celtics. 2256 01:58:46.279 --> 01:58:47.000 That's true, he did. 2257 01:58:47.079 --> 01:58:50.000 He wanted to move out here. So I've known the 2258 01:58:50.000 --> 01:58:52.159 ages of my entire life. Okay, So the deal with 2259 01:58:52.239 --> 01:58:56.359 Danny is he's not one of these guys that just says, 2260 01:58:56.600 --> 01:58:58.000 you know, I I want time to spend with my 2261 01:58:58.079 --> 01:59:00.640 family and then goes and travels to Eup for six 2262 01:59:00.640 --> 01:59:03.520 months out of the year. Danny is a committed father 2263 01:59:03.760 --> 01:59:07.039 and grandfather and wanted to move out to Utah because 2264 01:59:07.039 --> 01:59:08.359 the majority of his kids are here. 2265 01:59:09.000 --> 01:59:10.439 So he retires from Boston. 2266 01:59:10.479 --> 01:59:14.119 And also remember he definitely had one heart attack, and 2267 01:59:14.159 --> 01:59:17.119 I think he may have had two. He had heart 2268 01:59:17.119 --> 01:59:19.840 issues at the end of his time with Boston, so 2269 01:59:20.199 --> 01:59:23.560 he left to retire to take care of himself, to 2270 01:59:23.640 --> 01:59:26.960 move out here to be with his family. And he 2271 01:59:27.039 --> 01:59:29.560 did not move out here with a plan of working 2272 01:59:29.560 --> 01:59:37.199 for Ryan. Ryan recruited Danny for months before this transaction 2273 01:59:37.279 --> 01:59:40.560 actually became official, because Danny made it very clear. I 2274 01:59:40.600 --> 01:59:43.319 want freedom to see my grandkids. I like my tea 2275 01:59:43.359 --> 01:59:46.159 times at Riverside. I'm going to play golf, Okay, so 2276 01:59:46.239 --> 01:59:47.319 if you want me involved. 2277 01:59:47.880 --> 01:59:48.920 It really has. 2278 01:59:48.840 --> 01:59:55.640 Been more or less a quasi senior advisor role. The 2279 01:59:55.680 --> 01:59:59.600 title is CEO, but Danny's not a Desions Bank basketball 2280 01:59:59.640 --> 02:00:03.640 center your day at seven am. No, he's present for games. 2281 02:00:04.000 --> 02:00:06.399 I'm sure he's present for these workouts. I'm sure he's 2282 02:00:06.399 --> 02:00:10.439 present in draft rooms. But I think this is even 2283 02:00:10.479 --> 02:00:13.760 a further indication that Danny might take another step in 2284 02:00:13.840 --> 02:00:15.800 the direction of just living the rest of his life 2285 02:00:15.800 --> 02:00:18.000 the way he wants to live his life. And I 2286 02:00:18.119 --> 02:00:21.479 don't begrudge anybody for paving a pat like if you 2287 02:00:21.560 --> 02:00:25.039 don't know what it's like to be a parent and 2288 02:00:25.119 --> 02:00:27.640 how badly you would do anything to make sure your 2289 02:00:27.720 --> 02:00:30.560 children have a good path in life, I don't know 2290 02:00:30.560 --> 02:00:32.640 what to tell you. I don't have an issue like 2291 02:00:33.279 --> 02:00:37.159 so Ryan said. I didn't tell Danny that I was 2292 02:00:37.239 --> 02:00:39.800 hiring Austin. No part of me believes that. No part 2293 02:00:39.840 --> 02:00:41.399 of me believes that for a second. We'll get to 2294 02:00:41.439 --> 02:00:43.199 the other parts of the stuff I don't believe either. 2295 02:00:44.000 --> 02:00:46.399 But if Danny even had a small part to play 2296 02:00:46.479 --> 02:00:48.239 in this decision, I don't have an issue with it 2297 02:00:48.239 --> 02:00:51.680 at all, because he is going to potentially step away 2298 02:00:51.920 --> 02:00:55.079 at some point entirely, and he knows that his kid's 2299 02:00:55.119 --> 02:00:58.199 got a great opportunity to build a team with a 2300 02:00:58.319 --> 02:01:00.479 job that will take care of he and his family forever. 2301 02:01:00.720 --> 02:01:02.439 It's it's it's a great thing altogether. 2302 02:01:02.479 --> 02:01:04.479 But again, the bottom line is Austin has a resume 2303 02:01:04.600 --> 02:01:06.359 that indicates he has qualified for the job. 2304 02:01:06.479 --> 02:01:09.159 Yes, and maybe in Danny's case, we're reading too much 2305 02:01:09.159 --> 02:01:11.880 into the title of CEO. Now They'll take, for instance, 2306 02:01:12.039 --> 02:01:14.399 a lot of guys who owned big companies, big corporations, 2307 02:01:14.560 --> 02:01:15.159 The first thing they. 2308 02:01:15.119 --> 02:01:17.039 Do when they retire is they become what the chairman 2309 02:01:17.079 --> 02:01:17.560 of the board. 2310 02:01:18.079 --> 02:01:20.079 Maybe, well, there isn't a chairman of the board for 2311 02:01:20.119 --> 02:01:24.439 the Jazz, so maybe CEO is that version of chairman 2312 02:01:24.520 --> 02:01:26.920 of the board in the case of you know how 2313 02:01:27.039 --> 02:01:29.920 Ryan sets everything up. But again, getting back to your point, 2314 02:01:30.279 --> 02:01:34.800 Austin's proven himself, and he's proven himself repeatedly this year. 2315 02:01:34.840 --> 02:01:38.239 They stumbled towards the end, but they didn't panic like, oh, 2316 02:01:38.279 --> 02:01:40.880 a certain team in New York did uh? 2317 02:01:41.680 --> 02:01:44.600 Did they did? The Knicks? Did they fire their coach? 2318 02:01:44.960 --> 02:01:47.520 The Knicks and the Jets? They fired my guy? They 2319 02:01:47.560 --> 02:01:50.239 fired my guy? How much did you really like that guy? Though? Tom? 2320 02:01:50.760 --> 02:01:53.239 I love them? Okay? Oh yeah, Tom forever? He was 2321 02:01:53.399 --> 02:01:56.239 just assistant. Why don't they bring back Van Gundy? 2322 02:01:56.279 --> 02:01:59.279 He's on the Vegas list of the Vegas released the 2323 02:01:59.279 --> 02:02:02.800 list I saw, and Jeff is like, but Malone's the highest. 2324 02:02:02.880 --> 02:02:04.800 Malone is one to one. He's a New York guy too. 2325 02:02:05.880 --> 02:02:07.359 I didn't mean to turn right there on that. 2326 02:02:07.479 --> 02:02:10.800 No, no, but but ultimately I just think it was 2327 02:02:10.800 --> 02:02:13.800 a scenario where Danny didn't agree to come work for 2328 02:02:13.880 --> 02:02:16.199 Ryan unless Ryan agreed that Danny was gonna be able 2329 02:02:16.239 --> 02:02:19.119 to have freedom, and and I think that that kind 2330 02:02:19.119 --> 02:02:21.680 of remains in place, and I think Austin's hiring indicates 2331 02:02:21.720 --> 02:02:24.560 that freedom might be something Danny wants. Even more so, 2332 02:02:24.800 --> 02:02:27.439 Austin has a reputation in pro basketball is somebody that 2333 02:02:27.520 --> 02:02:31.119 understands a cap, somebody that's drafted well, somebody that's conducted 2334 02:02:31.119 --> 02:02:33.319 workouts and has been able to find bit pieces to 2335 02:02:33.359 --> 02:02:36.600 surround the star players that Boston had won and won championships. 2336 02:02:36.760 --> 02:02:40.239 Austin Ainge has the championship bring okay, so like his 2337 02:02:40.239 --> 02:02:43.680 pedigree speaks for itself. I do wonder where Xanak is 2338 02:02:44.640 --> 02:02:46.600 with this entire thing, and honestly don't. 2339 02:02:46.399 --> 02:02:48.600 Know, but I think I feel like Xanik after his 2340 02:02:48.720 --> 02:02:54.000 last medical situation kind of referred to well, I didn't 2341 02:02:54.039 --> 02:02:56.600 say he wanted to step back, but he's he's been 2342 02:02:56.640 --> 02:02:58.800 through a lot as well, and maybe maybe this will 2343 02:02:58.840 --> 02:02:59.399 help him. 2344 02:02:59.560 --> 02:03:03.399 Maybe it's such a bad thing too. You know, there's 2345 02:03:03.479 --> 02:03:04.159 a lot that. 2346 02:03:04.119 --> 02:03:08.279 Goes into this when you're looking for players and you're scouting, 2347 02:03:08.319 --> 02:03:10.520 and you're in you're in Europe, and you're all over 2348 02:03:10.560 --> 02:03:13.520 the world, and hey, the more eyeballs you have, the better. 2349 02:03:13.800 --> 02:03:15.159 So but I can't. 2350 02:03:15.239 --> 02:03:15.520 I don't know. 2351 02:03:15.600 --> 02:03:17.600 I've never neither of us have had a conversation with 2352 02:03:17.760 --> 02:03:19.479 Justin to ask him exactly what he feels about that. 2353 02:03:19.520 --> 02:03:21.760 I thought it was interesting that, well, Danny Ainge was 2354 02:03:22.319 --> 02:03:24.640 at the press conference yesterday, but he was kind of 2355 02:03:24.680 --> 02:03:27.399 just in the back. He wasn't up on the podium, 2356 02:03:27.720 --> 02:03:29.359 and that's the way it should have been. I mean, 2357 02:03:29.359 --> 02:03:31.720 it was, you know, the guy that hired Austin and 2358 02:03:31.840 --> 02:03:34.560 Austin but that's a good question. But I'm not as 2359 02:03:35.039 --> 02:03:38.520 cynical as you to believe that. Maybe Ryan didn't tell 2360 02:03:38.600 --> 02:03:40.560 Danny he had hired his son. Maybe no, wait, wait 2361 02:03:40.640 --> 02:03:42.880 a second, maybe he told him, I'm hey, I'm having 2362 02:03:42.960 --> 02:03:45.800 some conversations with your son, but didn't flat out tell him, 2363 02:03:46.039 --> 02:03:48.720 oh I hired him until after he had hired it, 2364 02:03:49.279 --> 02:03:50.399 or I'm going to hire him. 2365 02:03:50.439 --> 02:03:53.399 Yeah, But again it gets back to the glass half full. 2366 02:03:53.439 --> 02:03:53.760 That's me. 2367 02:03:54.359 --> 02:04:00.119 I'm you know, you're more America's guests, and it's you know, 2368 02:04:00.119 --> 02:04:01.760 there's nothing wrong with that. We all have our I 2369 02:04:01.800 --> 02:04:04.399 wish I believe, we all have our suspicion that Disneyland 2370 02:04:04.479 --> 02:04:06.399 was a real place and not a theme park. Dave, 2371 02:04:06.800 --> 02:04:09.159 I wish I believed in children's fairy tales too. I 2372 02:04:09.239 --> 02:04:10.800 just what do you mean it's not a real place. 2373 02:04:11.000 --> 02:04:12.760 I've been going there my whole life. It is a 2374 02:04:12.800 --> 02:04:15.560 real place, and it's a lot of fun. I live 2375 02:04:15.560 --> 02:04:16.359 in the real world. 2376 02:04:16.479 --> 02:04:19.760 Okay, so the other part of me will exist where 2377 02:04:19.840 --> 02:04:21.680 I'm a cynic and you're a glass at full. 2378 02:04:21.840 --> 02:04:23.680 Yeah, you think they're not gonna tank next year? 2379 02:04:25.239 --> 02:04:28.319 You know, your buddy asked that question and the answer, 2380 02:04:29.279 --> 02:04:33.640 let me ye, I think Austin's answer was like three words. 2381 02:04:33.680 --> 02:04:35.079 You know, it said, you want to see that, you 2382 02:04:35.119 --> 02:04:37.479 want to see this here? What's he supposed to say? 2383 02:04:37.640 --> 02:04:40.359 He can't literally answer a question that's phrased that way 2384 02:04:40.359 --> 02:04:41.960 with yeah, we're gonna tank again. 2385 02:04:42.079 --> 02:04:45.119 Let's go. They got fined for taking they're not. 2386 02:04:46.399 --> 02:04:49.359 The question that was asked was asked in such a 2387 02:04:49.399 --> 02:04:52.880 way that that's the only possible response he could have gotten. 2388 02:04:52.960 --> 02:04:54.640 Well, I'm not as cynical as you to believe that 2389 02:04:54.680 --> 02:04:56.439 he had to say what he had to say. He 2390 02:04:56.479 --> 02:04:57.720 can't say yeah, we're tanking. 2391 02:04:57.920 --> 02:05:01.319 So so, ultimately, just no part of me believes that 2392 02:05:01.560 --> 02:05:03.720 they are going to put their best foot forward to 2393 02:05:03.720 --> 02:05:05.560 try to win as many games as they can next year. 2394 02:05:06.079 --> 02:05:10.399 It would actually be the direct wrong line to take. 2395 02:05:10.520 --> 02:05:13.039 Hey, that part, I agree with you, But I don't 2396 02:05:13.119 --> 02:05:14.760 begrudge Austin's answer. 2397 02:05:15.119 --> 02:05:15.199 No. 2398 02:05:15.279 --> 02:05:17.039 First of all, I thought it was an awesome SoundBite. 2399 02:05:17.039 --> 02:05:18.600 I thought it was great. It was like I dropped 2400 02:05:18.640 --> 02:05:20.279 them like you're not going to see that next year, 2401 02:05:20.359 --> 02:05:21.279 and then boom silence. 2402 02:05:21.319 --> 02:05:23.319 Everybody's like, Okay, good a new direction. 2403 02:05:23.479 --> 02:05:25.720 But the fact that he invoked the word tanking into 2404 02:05:25.720 --> 02:05:29.600 the question that made that answer perfectly honest in a way, 2405 02:05:29.680 --> 02:05:32.680 because there are so many different ways to manipulate your record. 2406 02:05:32.840 --> 02:05:34.279 And by the way, didn't we learn this year you 2407 02:05:34.279 --> 02:05:36.720 don't have to finish dead last. Let's be honest. They 2408 02:05:36.760 --> 02:05:38.479 just need to be in the bottom eight, right, Yeah, 2409 02:05:38.479 --> 02:05:39.439 to preserve well. 2410 02:05:39.479 --> 02:05:43.199 And that's the issue, I mean, as much as anything 2411 02:05:43.199 --> 02:05:46.399 else this year, based off of where they're at, based 2412 02:05:46.439 --> 02:05:48.920 off of what they need, and based off of how 2413 02:05:48.960 --> 02:05:52.680 far away they are from not just the top teams 2414 02:05:52.680 --> 02:05:54.840 in the West. I mean, there's not a move they 2415 02:05:54.840 --> 02:05:58.600 could make to move them from like fifteen to eleven, 2416 02:05:58.920 --> 02:05:59.720 let alone fifteen. 2417 02:06:00.359 --> 02:06:01.239 It doesn't exist. 2418 02:06:01.840 --> 02:06:04.560 So based off of how far away they are and 2419 02:06:04.560 --> 02:06:08.239 how much they need, keeping that draft capital for next 2420 02:06:08.319 --> 02:06:11.119 year's draft cycle is as big of a priority as 2421 02:06:11.319 --> 02:06:13.359 anything else that they do this year. 2422 02:06:13.439 --> 02:06:15.359 It just is, I agree, But there's other ways to 2423 02:06:15.439 --> 02:06:15.600 do it. 2424 02:06:15.600 --> 02:06:17.479 First of all, you play every single one of your 2425 02:06:17.520 --> 02:06:21.439 young guys like they have been the one caveat in 2426 02:06:21.479 --> 02:06:24.479 all this is what do you do with market Because 2427 02:06:24.600 --> 02:06:28.000 if marketing is playing every game and these veterans are 2428 02:06:28.039 --> 02:06:29.800 playing every game, it's going to be really hard to 2429 02:06:29.840 --> 02:06:32.399 stay below eight. I'm not saying that they're going to 2430 02:06:32.399 --> 02:06:34.279 be a playoff team, but that's going to be more difficult. 2431 02:06:34.319 --> 02:06:35.880 So they're going to have to kind of massage that 2432 02:06:35.920 --> 02:06:36.319 a little bit. 2433 02:06:36.399 --> 02:06:40.600 Well, that's manipulating minutes, or trade them. That's the only 2434 02:06:41.079 --> 02:06:44.239 So if we're going to say that what Austin Ainge 2435 02:06:44.279 --> 02:06:48.079 said yesterday was truthful and he meant it. And the 2436 02:06:48.159 --> 02:06:50.960 approach now that there's a new boss, okay, because Ryan 2437 02:06:51.000 --> 02:06:53.880 told us all he's the boss, and the edict from 2438 02:06:53.880 --> 02:06:57.520 the boss is we are no longer unseious about competition. 2439 02:06:57.640 --> 02:06:59.800 We are going to approach this with integrity. We're going 2440 02:06:59.800 --> 02:07:04.680 to try our best. This roster is too good to 2441 02:07:04.760 --> 02:07:07.239 be one of the bottom four or five teams. Now, 2442 02:07:07.720 --> 02:07:10.319 if you move off of marketing and you can get 2443 02:07:10.319 --> 02:07:11.439 a lot for Lowry, you can't. 2444 02:07:11.479 --> 02:07:14.119 You can't get you know, a Paul. 2445 02:07:13.960 --> 02:07:17.119 George Donovan Mitchell type hall, but you can get probably 2446 02:07:17.239 --> 02:07:20.159 three to four picks, maybe a couple of young players. 2447 02:07:20.359 --> 02:07:21.720 I don't even know if you want players, you just 2448 02:07:21.760 --> 02:07:24.239 want picks really well, you have to really young players. 2449 02:07:24.279 --> 02:07:25.720 You're right, you have to get you have to acquire 2450 02:07:25.720 --> 02:07:27.119 players because you have to match salaries. 2451 02:07:27.199 --> 02:07:32.319 But it also wave them. They're good at that wave Lowry. No, no, no, no. 2452 02:07:32.359 --> 02:07:36.840 The players that you bring in a giant package of things, players, 2453 02:07:37.079 --> 02:07:39.560 draft picks, other assets, and then you wave the player 2454 02:07:39.600 --> 02:07:40.279 you don't want. 2455 02:07:40.159 --> 02:07:42.920 Well, okay, but he's he's good enough that you can 2456 02:07:42.920 --> 02:07:44.960 get three to four picks and probably two to three 2457 02:07:45.000 --> 02:07:48.640 young players you want to learn about perfect and who 2458 02:07:48.640 --> 02:07:51.119 knows who the young players are. But if the NBA 2459 02:07:51.239 --> 02:07:53.000 finds out that the Jazz are willing to move off 2460 02:07:53.039 --> 02:07:56.279 of lowry marketing, Austin Ainge will receive multiple phone calls 2461 02:07:56.319 --> 02:07:58.840 from other general managers saying, okay, what do you want? 2462 02:07:59.079 --> 02:08:03.279 And if Austin and says okay, let's we'll do four picks, 2463 02:08:03.359 --> 02:08:05.960 we'll do three unprotected in one swhile, and then we 2464 02:08:06.000 --> 02:08:08.880 want these three young players. And all these players are 2465 02:08:08.880 --> 02:08:11.000 between eighteen and twenty two, and they're a lot like 2466 02:08:11.039 --> 02:08:13.680 the other young players the Jazz have. You might have 2467 02:08:13.720 --> 02:08:16.199 to do something with Walker as wow. 2468 02:08:16.119 --> 02:08:18.359 I don't think there's any chance they do that. Well. 2469 02:08:18.800 --> 02:08:22.479 Walker's good, Walker's really good. He impacts winning. So if 2470 02:08:22.560 --> 02:08:24.960 you're going to do the thing where we are playing 2471 02:08:25.000 --> 02:08:27.680 our best players every night and we're not making up injuries, 2472 02:08:28.079 --> 02:08:30.479 and we're not after we get fine, we're not saying okay, 2473 02:08:30.520 --> 02:08:32.920 watch this Walker Kesseler shooting ten threes a night. If 2474 02:08:32.920 --> 02:08:35.560 we're not doing any of those corny things anymore and 2475 02:08:35.680 --> 02:08:38.520 you're trying your best to win games based off the 2476 02:08:38.520 --> 02:08:41.159 personnel you have, you have to change your personnel. 2477 02:08:41.199 --> 02:08:41.880 You're too good. 2478 02:08:42.119 --> 02:08:45.079 Because if we are sitting here, Dave, next year at 2479 02:08:45.079 --> 02:08:48.399 this time and the Jazz have won thirty four games, 2480 02:08:48.479 --> 02:08:50.760 they're in trouble. And Mark Tatum gets up to the 2481 02:08:50.760 --> 02:08:53.560 podium and says, and the ninth pick in the NBA 2482 02:08:53.680 --> 02:08:56.279 draft goes to the Utah Jazz, and that goes to 2483 02:08:56.319 --> 02:08:58.479 the team that's about to win the title. Because the 2484 02:08:58.560 --> 02:09:00.760 Jazz decided they wanted to try r I really hard 2485 02:09:00.800 --> 02:09:03.520 this year. It will step, It will take the Jazz 2486 02:09:03.600 --> 02:09:05.279 a couple of steps in the wrong direction. 2487 02:09:05.680 --> 02:09:08.319 That is worst case scenario is what it is. I 2488 02:09:08.399 --> 02:09:09.600 completely agree with you on that. 2489 02:09:09.680 --> 02:09:12.039 And it's and whether we want to call it tanking 2490 02:09:12.119 --> 02:09:15.239 or roster manipulation, that's going to be have to be 2491 02:09:15.319 --> 02:09:17.039 the way they do this because they do not want 2492 02:09:17.079 --> 02:09:19.479 to go through what they had to do last year, 2493 02:09:19.479 --> 02:09:22.199 where we all sat there and looked at Larry Mark 2494 02:09:22.279 --> 02:09:27.680 and looking perfectly healthy and not playing. They have to 2495 02:09:27.720 --> 02:09:30.840 approach this a completely different way. And one way would 2496 02:09:30.880 --> 02:09:34.000 be your right to move him. But it's not just him, 2497 02:09:34.039 --> 02:09:36.399 by the way, I mean, John Collins helps you win games. 2498 02:09:36.520 --> 02:09:38.119 Colin Sexton helps you win games. 2499 02:09:38.159 --> 02:09:38.760 That's my point. 2500 02:09:38.840 --> 02:09:42.239 All these veterans, honestly, they in some respects, a lot 2501 02:09:42.279 --> 02:09:43.199 of these guys got to go. 2502 02:09:43.399 --> 02:09:46.720 I think finally you can move off of Collins and Sexton. 2503 02:09:47.840 --> 02:09:50.239 I don't know about Clarkson just because he's not good anymore. 2504 02:09:50.279 --> 02:09:53.159 I know everyone loves him, show love nice guy painted 2505 02:09:53.239 --> 02:09:55.039 on the locker, throw him in, or just keep him 2506 02:09:55.079 --> 02:09:56.920 on the team for fun. But his best years are 2507 02:09:56.960 --> 02:09:59.680 behind him. But what changes this year? And that's why 2508 02:09:59.720 --> 02:10:03.520 I can continue to look at the summer of twenty 2509 02:10:03.560 --> 02:10:05.520 twenty six as far as the off season that makes 2510 02:10:05.520 --> 02:10:11.239 sense for them to actually get in play is this year. Collins, 2511 02:10:11.279 --> 02:10:14.960 Sexton Clarkson are on expiring deals. 2512 02:10:15.439 --> 02:10:17.039 It's the final year their deal. 2513 02:10:17.319 --> 02:10:19.399 So instead like a GM last year is like, wait, 2514 02:10:19.479 --> 02:10:21.439 you want me to trade for John Collins, I have 2515 02:10:21.439 --> 02:10:23.680 to pay him twenty five mil this year and twenty 2516 02:10:23.680 --> 02:10:24.279 five mil next. 2517 02:10:24.520 --> 02:10:25.960 Now they'll pick up an expiring car. 2518 02:10:26.119 --> 02:10:29.680 Now his contract expired, so it actually helps you next 2519 02:10:29.760 --> 02:10:31.319 offseason if you want cap space. 2520 02:10:31.920 --> 02:10:34.279 Same thing with Sexton. Same thing with Clarkson. 2521 02:10:34.359 --> 02:10:37.399 Clarkson's on the books for fourteen point two, Collins on 2522 02:10:37.439 --> 02:10:40.680 the books for nineteen point one. So you can move 2523 02:10:40.680 --> 02:10:43.600 off of those contracts even if the players aren't necessarily 2524 02:10:44.399 --> 02:10:47.479 highly sought after, simply because their money expires. 2525 02:10:47.079 --> 02:10:49.720 And teams love those kind of deals where they're acquiring 2526 02:10:49.880 --> 02:10:53.920 expired contracts. The Lowry's isn't I mean, they just gave 2527 02:10:54.000 --> 02:10:54.800 him a max deal. 2528 02:10:54.880 --> 02:10:57.680 Yeah, he's good enough because you can find a home 2529 02:10:57.720 --> 02:10:59.760 for him. I mean, he's good enough. You can find 2530 02:10:59.760 --> 02:11:02.520 a home for him. So that's that's kind of got 2531 02:11:02.560 --> 02:11:06.079 to be the play, you know. And then next off 2532 02:11:06.119 --> 02:11:09.720 season is when they could have potentially seventy million dollars 2533 02:11:09.720 --> 02:11:14.000 in cap space unless they decide to do this extend Walker. 2534 02:11:14.520 --> 02:11:17.680 So they have the ability to extend Walker this off season. Now, 2535 02:11:18.920 --> 02:11:21.159 if you want to move off of Walker, which is 2536 02:11:21.199 --> 02:11:23.199 a tough ask because he's good and he's still young, 2537 02:11:23.880 --> 02:11:24.800 they won't extend him. 2538 02:11:24.800 --> 02:11:26.199 That makes him harder to trade. 2539 02:11:26.359 --> 02:11:29.520 So they would do what they did with Hayward and say, oh, 2540 02:11:29.560 --> 02:11:31.119 you think you've earned a deal, huh, well, you're going 2541 02:11:31.159 --> 02:11:32.640 to play the last year of your rookie deal. Then 2542 02:11:32.680 --> 02:11:35.319 you have to go bet on yourself, and that's what 2543 02:11:35.399 --> 02:11:37.640 Gordon did. He had a really good year, then got 2544 02:11:37.640 --> 02:11:39.319 a max offer sheet from Charlotte. 2545 02:11:39.399 --> 02:11:41.119 Then they matched the offer sheet. 2546 02:11:41.640 --> 02:11:43.720 Gordon played here for four more years before he gave 2547 02:11:43.760 --> 02:11:46.760 everyone the middle finger and went to Boston so they 2548 02:11:46.800 --> 02:11:50.439 could extend Walker unless they've done their calculation, believing we're 2549 02:11:50.479 --> 02:11:52.840 too good with this group if we want to hold 2550 02:11:52.840 --> 02:11:55.920 onto our draft pick. And also back up what Austin said, 2551 02:11:55.920 --> 02:11:57.479 mean we're going to try hard this year. 2552 02:11:58.000 --> 02:11:59.359 They've got to change their person. I don't know that 2553 02:11:59.439 --> 02:12:02.199 he actually used the phrase try hard this year. But 2554 02:12:02.239 --> 02:12:06.479 if yes, but again circling all the way back to 2555 02:12:06.520 --> 02:12:09.520 where this started. If if the question had been phrased 2556 02:12:09.520 --> 02:12:11.600 in such way that the word tanking wasn't in it, 2557 02:12:11.640 --> 02:12:14.399 maybe he gets a little bit different answer. You can't 2558 02:12:14.439 --> 02:12:17.319 even say roster manipulation because everyone knows that's tanking. 2559 02:12:17.439 --> 02:12:19.119 It was the way yeah ask the question. It was 2560 02:12:19.159 --> 02:12:20.279 the right way to ask the question. 2561 02:12:20.399 --> 02:12:22.520 Well maybe, but you weren't going to get an answer 2562 02:12:22.520 --> 02:12:24.000 with that, So that's just the way he. 2563 02:12:24.039 --> 02:12:27.079 Got an answer. Well, and so if he's telling the truth. 2564 02:12:26.800 --> 02:12:29.000 If you or you weren't going to get a well, 2565 02:12:29.039 --> 02:12:30.720 I don't want to say honest answer because I'm not 2566 02:12:30.760 --> 02:12:33.800 putting words in Austin's mouth, but he he doesn't have 2567 02:12:34.000 --> 02:12:36.720 any other choice to answer that question any other way. 2568 02:12:36.840 --> 02:12:37.920 That's That's what I'm. 2569 02:12:37.720 --> 02:12:39.920 Saying, And what I'm saying is if he's telling the truth, 2570 02:12:39.960 --> 02:12:42.399 they need to change their personnel. Yeah, because right if 2571 02:12:42.439 --> 02:12:45.720 market In, Kessler, Sexton, and Collins all play seventy and 2572 02:12:45.760 --> 02:12:48.039 seventy five games, they win thirty to thirty five games 2573 02:12:48.039 --> 02:12:48.600 this year, I. 2574 02:12:48.640 --> 02:12:51.560 Completely agree with the worst place to be and if 2575 02:12:51.560 --> 02:12:53.439 they had, if they had played them all last year, 2576 02:12:53.720 --> 02:12:55.760 they they probably would have won upwards of thirty. I 2577 02:12:55.800 --> 02:12:58.399 would think the year before they won nearly that they did. 2578 02:12:58.399 --> 02:13:01.560 They went over that. So yeah, I'm one hundred. 2579 02:13:02.319 --> 02:13:03.920 And then you know where they drafted the year before 2580 02:13:04.000 --> 02:13:05.560 tenth Yeah, and you know where that would go this 2581 02:13:05.640 --> 02:13:07.239 year Oklahoma City, who's about to win. 2582 02:13:07.239 --> 02:13:09.880 The championship, and that tenth pick hasn't worked out so well, 2583 02:13:10.000 --> 02:13:13.239 we'll see where that goes. But I mean, frankly, their 2584 02:13:13.359 --> 02:13:15.960 next two picks worked out better. Uh, We're going to 2585 02:13:16.039 --> 02:13:17.920 find out in the next thirty to forty five days. 2586 02:13:17.920 --> 02:13:21.720 We'll see exactly what the new president is made of. 2587 02:13:22.479 --> 02:13:25.079 When he starts shaking things up, it's gonna be a 2588 02:13:25.119 --> 02:13:28.319 lot of fun. I guarantee three words you will not 2589 02:13:28.439 --> 02:13:31.079 hear at his mouth big game hunting. 2590 02:13:31.880 --> 02:13:33.520 No, I think I'll steer clear of that. 2591 02:13:33.760 --> 02:13:36.880 No way, Austin, if you're listening, you should fire your dad. 2592 02:13:36.680 --> 02:13:40.479 Do not say that, all right? You reference the. 2593 02:13:42.760 --> 02:13:52.239 You reference the overly irrational, emotional, ridiculously uh misguided decision 2594 02:13:53.079 --> 02:13:55.319 of the worst owner in pro sports to fire Tom 2595 02:13:55.359 --> 02:13:59.640 Thibbeteau today. It's an example of why the Knicks have 2596 02:13:59.720 --> 02:14:02.680 been irrelevant for twenty five years because they make these 2597 02:14:03.319 --> 02:14:07.720 in the moment, irrational decisions based off of emotion that 2598 02:14:07.800 --> 02:14:09.920 you're feeling right now, instead of having a big picture 2599 02:14:09.960 --> 02:14:14.039 point of view. So juxtapose that to what Ryan's decided 2600 02:14:14.079 --> 02:14:17.079 to do with the current iteration of the Jazz. The 2601 02:14:17.079 --> 02:14:19.920 bottom line is this, Dave, you have to have players, 2602 02:14:20.239 --> 02:14:21.239 you have to have horses. 2603 02:14:21.560 --> 02:14:23.159 Knicks have players the jazz tone. 2604 02:14:24.279 --> 02:14:27.000 But what Ryan has done is locked in a head 2605 02:14:27.039 --> 02:14:30.640 coach through twenty thirty a front office that now is 2606 02:14:30.680 --> 02:14:34.800 locked in as well, and it takes away the ambiguity 2607 02:14:35.159 --> 02:14:38.680 and the unknown nature of who's calling the shots in 2608 02:14:38.680 --> 02:14:41.840 the way that the Knicks have simply just allowed the 2609 02:14:41.880 --> 02:14:44.560 decisions to be to and fro from the win, firing 2610 02:14:44.600 --> 02:14:48.159 good coaches all the time. So there is that while 2611 02:14:48.199 --> 02:14:50.800 you need players, at least the Jazz have a coaching 2612 02:14:50.800 --> 02:14:52.960 staff and a front office that is locked in like that. 2613 02:14:53.600 --> 02:14:57.640 That is a pragmatic, prudent approach that I think, given time, 2614 02:14:57.720 --> 02:14:59.760 will pay dividends. But it's going to take a lot 2615 02:14:59.760 --> 02:15:01.760 of you to understand whether or not it's. 2616 02:15:01.600 --> 02:15:02.000 The right way. 2617 02:15:02.000 --> 02:15:04.600 Well answered, you answered your own question perfectly right there, 2618 02:15:04.640 --> 02:15:07.479 because you look at what here's the difference. You got 2619 02:15:07.479 --> 02:15:11.199 the Knicks in the Eastern Conference Finals with an opportunity 2620 02:15:11.199 --> 02:15:13.600 to go to the NBA Championship Series, firing a coach, 2621 02:15:13.920 --> 02:15:16.000 and then a team with the absolute worst record in 2622 02:15:16.039 --> 02:15:19.760 the NBA re signing their coach to an extension, and 2623 02:15:19.800 --> 02:15:22.479 it just you're right. It goes to show which organization 2624 02:15:22.600 --> 02:15:26.039 is locked in and which isn't think about Washington Football 2625 02:15:26.079 --> 02:15:29.439 for all those years the commanders, how horrible, I mean, 2626 02:15:29.439 --> 02:15:31.359 what an awful job they did of running that thing. 2627 02:15:31.920 --> 02:15:33.720 So and it also tells you. 2628 02:15:33.680 --> 02:15:36.439 That Ryan is confident in his front office and what 2629 02:15:36.479 --> 02:15:38.159 they're going to do, and that he knows within a 2630 02:15:38.159 --> 02:15:41.159 few years they'll be competitive. They'll start being competitive, and 2631 02:15:41.199 --> 02:15:44.239 he wants to make sure that guy is there running it. 2632 02:15:44.880 --> 02:15:46.439 I don't know what the world the Knicks are doing, 2633 02:15:46.479 --> 02:15:48.359 other than you may end up with an even better coach. 2634 02:15:48.960 --> 02:15:52.600 Well, it's it's just it's an example of a of 2635 02:15:52.640 --> 02:15:54.880 an owner that's an idiot, and that's who Jim Dolan 2636 02:15:54.960 --> 02:15:57.239 is and hopefully Ryan's decision. 2637 02:15:57.840 --> 02:16:00.319 Will Hardy's won thirty four percent of his games. He 2638 02:16:00.359 --> 02:16:01.920 has a nine year runway. 2639 02:16:02.840 --> 02:16:05.000 Tom Thibodeau just won fifty games back to back and 2640 02:16:05.039 --> 02:16:07.000 went to the Eastern Conference finals of the playoffs four 2641 02:16:07.079 --> 02:16:08.439 or five years one coach of the year and he 2642 02:16:08.479 --> 02:16:09.159 got fired. 2643 02:16:09.279 --> 02:16:12.880 Can you imagine if, I mean, if Will Hardy wasn't retained, 2644 02:16:13.359 --> 02:16:16.399 he'd be instantly highable. Yeah, because people understand what he 2645 02:16:16.479 --> 02:16:18.960 really is about. But the Jazz are smarter than that. Yeah, 2646 02:16:18.960 --> 02:16:20.279 they are all right. 2647 02:16:20.359 --> 02:16:23.600 David, are you wearing that on TV tonight? You look change? 2648 02:16:23.920 --> 02:16:26.000 I'll change. I know you should wear that. I mean 2649 02:16:26.119 --> 02:16:28.079 sometimes I can't get away with that like you can. 2650 02:16:28.479 --> 02:16:30.800 I have to look more respectable. It's a little stuffy 2651 02:16:30.840 --> 02:16:32.520 in there with the suits of times, but I'm. 2652 02:16:32.319 --> 02:16:34.719 More a hoodie. A couple months ago in the winter. 2653 02:16:34.840 --> 02:16:36.360 I should have saved that for a night you were 2654 02:16:36.360 --> 02:16:38.239 on with me. Are we hoody with a sport code? 2655 02:16:38.280 --> 02:16:41.040 Are we warm enough to enter the Dave Fox in 2656 02:16:41.159 --> 02:16:42.000 shorts phase on? 2657 02:16:42.159 --> 02:16:42.360 Yeah? 2658 02:16:42.399 --> 02:16:43.799 I do that quite a bit, but I don't do 2659 02:16:43.840 --> 02:16:45.440 it if it's a show like what you and I 2660 02:16:45.440 --> 02:16:47.040 are doing tonight where you can see my leg. 2661 02:16:47.120 --> 02:16:49.000 Nobody wants to see that. Nobody wants to see that. 2662 02:16:49.079 --> 02:16:50.600 What's coming up? On five questions? 2663 02:16:50.920 --> 02:16:52.719 I don't want to reveal all the five questions, but 2664 02:16:52.760 --> 02:16:55.399 I will say we have discussed at least two of them. 2665 02:16:55.399 --> 02:16:55.680 Here. 2666 02:16:56.040 --> 02:16:57.799 We're going to throw in an r SO question, a 2667 02:16:57.879 --> 02:17:00.319 golf question. We had a couple of locals. By the way, 2668 02:17:00.440 --> 02:17:02.680 Zach Blair impressed the summer. He's both qualified for the 2669 02:17:02.760 --> 02:17:04.280 US Open. What about doctor Freestone? 2670 02:17:04.360 --> 02:17:06.280 Congrats? Doctor Freestone's doing good. 2671 02:17:06.280 --> 02:17:08.159 I texted him the other day on an issue and 2672 02:17:08.200 --> 02:17:09.120 he got right back. 2673 02:17:09.440 --> 02:17:11.159 Do you want to share what the issue was on air? 2674 02:17:11.239 --> 02:17:13.040 Or but you're you're healthier? 2675 02:17:13.079 --> 02:17:13.840 Good to go? Yeah? 2676 02:17:14.399 --> 02:17:16.280 All right, Dave, I'll see it a little bit. Okay, 2677 02:17:16.360 --> 02:17:18.719 Steve Buddy the Great Day Fox. I'll be on TV 2678 02:17:18.799 --> 02:17:21.040 with Dave tonight at ten thirty five km why you 2679 02:17:21.159 --> 02:17:24.760 five Questions with Spence shout out Dave Fox little Enya. 2680 02:17:25.840 --> 02:17:27.680 On the way out of the show today, I got 2681 02:17:27.680 --> 02:17:30.920 to I'll admit I was not anticipating Dave as he 2682 02:17:31.000 --> 02:17:33.000 was going on his diet tribe about how much he 2683 02:17:33.079 --> 02:17:36.000 loves house music and DM to drop a I also 2684 02:17:36.159 --> 02:17:37.600 like a Enya. 2685 02:17:37.200 --> 02:17:38.120 And I didn't. 2686 02:17:38.159 --> 02:17:40.280 I didn't expect that from Dave today. Not that a 2687 02:17:40.479 --> 02:17:42.639 little and you have nice and relaxing on a Tuesday. 2688 02:17:42.879 --> 02:17:48.120 Yeah, Dave's Dave Fox's music taste is very interesting to me. 2689 02:17:48.799 --> 02:17:51.399 That's uh. That guy's one of one. That's for sure. 2690 02:17:51.520 --> 02:17:52.440 He is one of one. 2691 02:17:52.440 --> 02:17:54.799 I'll be on television with Dave tonight at ten thirty 2692 02:17:54.840 --> 02:17:58.120 five on km Y. You we call it five Questions 2693 02:17:58.120 --> 02:18:00.159 with Spence. Of course, the big news of the day 2694 02:18:00.159 --> 02:18:02.920 today Tom Thibodau has been fired by the New York Knicks, 2695 02:18:03.879 --> 02:18:07.079 which has driven a lot of our conversation today Juxtaposed 2696 02:18:07.079 --> 02:18:09.719 to what the Jazz have elected to do while locking 2697 02:18:09.799 --> 02:18:11.879 in their coach in their front office while trying to 2698 02:18:11.879 --> 02:18:15.000 find good players in order to win basketball games. Do 2699 02:18:15.040 --> 02:18:18.280 you have a preference onn who replaced his tips if 2700 02:18:18.319 --> 02:18:20.079 you had to pick as far as the names that 2701 02:18:20.079 --> 02:18:20.520 you've seen. 2702 02:18:22.920 --> 02:18:25.959 It's so hard because, and I mentioned this before, I 2703 02:18:25.959 --> 02:18:28.760 would like you to only make that move if you've 2704 02:18:28.760 --> 02:18:31.840 already got the guy there, right, And the name that 2705 02:18:31.879 --> 02:18:34.159 makes sense is Jay Wright. He's the biggest name in 2706 02:18:34.239 --> 02:18:36.799 coaching that doesn't have a job at the moment. He 2707 02:18:37.079 --> 02:18:40.760 coached like your entire roster to a national championship at 2708 02:18:40.760 --> 02:18:44.040 the college level. But everyone that I know of that 2709 02:18:44.120 --> 02:18:46.840 has been around Jay Wright in the last two years 2710 02:18:47.200 --> 02:18:51.000 says that he's not coming back to coaching, and they 2711 02:18:51.120 --> 02:18:54.440 seem pretty pretty adamant about that fact. So, you know, 2712 02:18:55.120 --> 02:18:59.719 while that's the name that stands out to me, I 2713 02:18:59.719 --> 02:19:02.120 don't know. I don't know how likely it is, because 2714 02:19:02.319 --> 02:19:06.159 it does seem like we're moving into the direction where 2715 02:19:06.440 --> 02:19:09.840 it's like a regurgitation of the ten names that you 2716 02:19:09.920 --> 02:19:15.319 hear every NBA coaching search. No shade to your guy 2717 02:19:15.399 --> 02:19:18.079 Van Gundy, right, but it just seems like there is 2718 02:19:18.120 --> 02:19:21.159 such a kind of a cycle of the same five, six, 2719 02:19:21.280 --> 02:19:22.719 seven names that you hear every time. 2720 02:19:22.959 --> 02:19:26.920 I don't think Jeff would want. Well, see, here's the 2721 02:19:26.959 --> 02:19:29.639 hard thing. Like we've been talking the past couple of days, 2722 02:19:29.799 --> 02:19:34.239 I and I do genuinely wonder how Justin Zanik feels 2723 02:19:34.239 --> 02:19:37.760 about everything that's happened, But he's an NBA general manager 2724 02:19:37.799 --> 02:19:40.000 and you want to hold onto that job. So if 2725 02:19:40.000 --> 02:19:43.840 the Knicks called Jeff and they inquired about whether or 2726 02:19:43.879 --> 02:19:46.520 not he'd want to coach, that's you're the head coach 2727 02:19:46.520 --> 02:19:49.879 of the Knicks. But I don't think he's Tom Tibbadauz, 2728 02:19:49.920 --> 02:19:52.959 one of his best friends, was one of Jeff's assistants 2729 02:19:52.959 --> 02:19:55.479 in New York for years, and I just don't think 2730 02:19:55.479 --> 02:19:56.879 he'll ever work for Jim Doling again. 2731 02:19:56.920 --> 02:19:58.600 That's the thing. He's worked for that guy before. 2732 02:19:59.200 --> 02:20:01.399 That's the one where it's it's like, you know, it 2733 02:20:01.399 --> 02:20:06.639 looks good on paper, but he's tried that and you 2734 02:20:06.760 --> 02:20:10.360 probably know as good as anyone. Folks that work with 2735 02:20:10.440 --> 02:20:15.360 James Dolan don't usually leave that building feeling great about 2736 02:20:15.399 --> 02:20:20.319 James Dolan. So the odds of him, you know, being 2737 02:20:20.360 --> 02:20:24.079 stoked to come back to New York is not great. 2738 02:20:24.120 --> 02:20:26.520 And you know, maybe that gives him leverage on the 2739 02:20:26.559 --> 02:20:27.159 other side. 2740 02:20:27.879 --> 02:20:31.120 So we'll see. Michael Malone is the favorite in Vegas 2741 02:20:31.159 --> 02:20:34.319 to get that job. We'll see how this plays out, 2742 02:20:34.520 --> 02:20:34.840 all right. 2743 02:20:34.879 --> 02:20:39.239 The Stanley Cup Finals begin tomorrow. You can hear the 2744 02:20:39.280 --> 02:20:42.000 Stanley Cup Finals and the NBA Finals on our radio 2745 02:20:42.040 --> 02:20:46.079 station Edmonton, Florida, a rematch of what was just a 2746 02:20:46.280 --> 02:20:50.559 barn Burner seven game series last year. And then of course, okay, 2747 02:20:50.719 --> 02:20:53.360 see an Indiana start on Thursday. 2748 02:20:53.479 --> 02:20:55.639 So there you go. Not a lot of local stuff 2749 02:20:55.680 --> 02:20:56.360 going on right now. 2750 02:20:56.399 --> 02:20:58.879 We're kind of entering that dead period with the summer calendar, 2751 02:20:58.920 --> 02:21:01.319 but we'll do our best account to keep you in 2752 02:21:01.360 --> 02:21:03.040 the loop with everything that we have going on. Porter 2753 02:21:03.159 --> 02:21:05.520 what comes our way on a Wednesday edition of the 2754 02:21:05.600 --> 02:21:06.079 radio show. 2755 02:21:06.159 --> 02:21:09.879 Halfway through the work week. We'll get you ready for 2756 02:21:09.920 --> 02:21:12.879 the rest of the week. Josh Furlong talking some Utah football, 2757 02:21:12.920 --> 02:21:16.719 some college football at large, Neil Smith, the latest on 2758 02:21:16.760 --> 02:21:20.280 the NHL, maybe some Utah Hockey Club as well, and 2759 02:21:20.360 --> 02:21:22.680 then NBA action for the final hour. 2760 02:21:22.760 --> 02:21:25.639 First the NBA Daily Assist with our guys Zach. 2761 02:21:25.520 --> 02:21:28.399 Harper of the Athletic and then we'll go more jazz 2762 02:21:28.440 --> 02:21:31.559 centric with Andy Larson of the Solid Tribute. 2763 02:21:31.559 --> 02:21:33.680 All right, there you go. That'll be a fun Wednesday show. 2764 02:21:33.799 --> 02:21:36.079 Join us for that. We will say good night. Special 2765 02:21:36.120 --> 02:21:39.520 thank you to Sarah Todd, Tim McMahon, Trey Fitzgerald and 2766 02:21:39.639 --> 02:21:41.319 Dave Fox for any of the sound you may miss 2767 02:21:41.360 --> 02:21:45.159 from the show. 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