Speaker 1: Well that happened. We finally had a breakthrough. I should
Speaker 1: say I had a breakthrough with AI. For those of
Speaker 1: you who are working with AI, you know what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about. You question the intelligence of AI with prompts,
Speaker 1: and this is something I haven't been doing with any
Speaker 1: skill until recently.
Speaker 2: I'm getting better at it. And I would say two
Speaker 2: years ago I was introduced to check GPT and I
Speaker 2: didn't I wasn't impressed. It was kind of clunky, and
Speaker 2: the responses, the answers, the analysis was not good. It
Speaker 2: was it was like reading a history book. But something happened.
Speaker 2: There's been a quantum leap. There's been an exponential growth
Speaker 2: rate or something. And I download a new version of
Speaker 2: chat GBT and also a creative tool called Venice AI,
Speaker 2: which is used for writing and for composition in terms
Speaker 2: of you know, competitions like paintings or modified illustrations or analysis.
Speaker 2: And I mean, it's just it's very, very very cool. Hey,
Speaker 2: this is Cliff your host of Earth Ahs, And I'm
Speaker 2: really now excited about AI. And I'll tell you why
Speaker 2: I shouldn't be revealing this, but I have gotten to
Speaker 2: the point where I can write a prompt about what
Speaker 2: I consider an anomaly. And here's an example. I talk
Speaker 2: a lot about the Egyptian dynastics sculptures, these colossi. When
Speaker 2: I say colossi, some of them are twenty feet tall,
Speaker 2: some of them are thirty some of them are more
Speaker 2: than thirty feet. And one of my favorites is this
Speaker 2: sculpture of Ramses the second that is laying on its
Speaker 2: back because it's so damn big, and it is in Memphis,
Speaker 2: the town of Memphis, it's twin. Is that the entrance
Speaker 2: of the new one billion dollar Egyptian Grand Museum or
Speaker 2: a Grand Egyptian Museum. It's called Jim and I have
Speaker 2: been fascinated by this since I saw it a few
Speaker 2: years ago on tour, because it's so elegantly carved and
Speaker 2: the level of precision is off to charts. And when
Speaker 2: I say that, the eyes and nose, the face is
Speaker 2: rendered beautifully, the arms and legs, it's just mind blowing
Speaker 2: how they were able to carve such a huge statue
Speaker 2: you with with just beautiful proportion. Uh. And so I
Speaker 2: was questioning this from my vantage point, and what the
Speaker 2: vantage point means is photographs standing on the ground when
Speaker 2: you go to this museum it's an open air museum,
Speaker 2: but it's it's gotta it's got a roof on it.
Speaker 2: You can go up another level and look down, but
Speaker 2: you can get enough material to upload it into AI
Speaker 2: for an analysis. And to my surprise, they were the
Speaker 2: the prompt that I introduced agreed with me. It's a
Speaker 2: very very proportional sculpture. The level of carving, sandy polishing
Speaker 2: is of a high degree. But in fact it's not unknown.
Speaker 2: It's from a Middle Kingdom or early kingdom that it
Speaker 2: was created. And I was a little to point because
Speaker 2: I had always thought it was a pre dynastic sculpture.
Speaker 2: It was before the pharaohs, and and many of you
Speaker 2: already know this. Ramsey's the second was always had I mean,
Speaker 2: he had been known as an usurper. He's copying, putting
Speaker 2: his cartouche on temples, sculptures, obelisks, anything that is a
Speaker 2: public on the public display. He was telling the world
Speaker 2: that he was the big cheese during his reign, and
Speaker 2: he reigned for over I think it was fifty or
Speaker 2: sixty years, a very very long long time. So anyhow,
Speaker 2: that was a little bit of a letdown. But the
Speaker 2: other what I considered the great anomaly of Egypt is
Speaker 2: Abu Sabil and these are the four megaton colossi that
Speaker 2: are carved out of a single hillside. And I had
Speaker 2: been curious about this because how in the hell did
Speaker 2: they get up and carve these beautiful heads and bodies
Speaker 2: and extract it from the side of this hill. It's
Speaker 2: a sandstone carving. So the initial analysis, the initial reply
Speaker 2: following an early prompt was that yes, this is from Ramsey,
Speaker 2: so forth and so on, and that's the general response.
Speaker 2: But and this is what's happening right now, as you
Speaker 2: get more sophisticated in your prompts, more details. What was
Speaker 2: the cutting tool, how did they get up? How do
Speaker 2: they create a sculpture that is able to be seen
Speaker 2: at multiple distances including being close up. That is a
Speaker 2: work of mechanics to a degree and surveying. And this
Speaker 2: is what came back. And this is something I'm going
Speaker 2: to be writing about. And this is an anomaly that
Speaker 2: the AI, the machine learning clarified and confirmed, and that
Speaker 2: is cutting with the tools of the Middle Kingdom, which
Speaker 2: is where Ramsey's falls is not equipped to produce this sculpture.
Speaker 2: What they did, what Ramses did produce is the temples
Speaker 2: in the body of the of the of the mountain,
Speaker 2: and these were known to have been commissioned by Ramses.
Speaker 2: And so you see Ramses in the in his administration,
Speaker 2: you see the Queen Nefertari, you see the servants and
Speaker 2: so forth, beautifully carved at the base of this colossi.
Speaker 2: And when I say colossi, there are four figures. I
Speaker 2: think they stand about sixty feet or more or sit
Speaker 2: sixty feet more. This is the anomaly. So what that
Speaker 2: says is that it's likely pre Dynastic, pre it was
Speaker 2: done prior to the Rain of Ramseys. Now some people
Speaker 2: would say big deal, big deal if it's found before
Speaker 2: the Rain of Ramsey's. Well it is a big deal
Speaker 2: because if you listen to this show, you know that
Speaker 2: I have people on the program who and these some
Speaker 2: of them are classic Egyptologists. They've been trained in them,
Speaker 2: you know, in styles, in the in the history and
Speaker 2: in the artifacts. It's looking more and more like the
Speaker 2: Dynastics weren't the hot shots that we all think they were,
Speaker 2: you know. And and what it's showing is that they
Speaker 2: were having a hard time reusing funerary goods, reusing temples,
Speaker 2: reusing obelisks and statuary and putting their twosches on them.
Speaker 2: It really looks like there was a global disaster. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's kind of still, it's kind of guess work. It's
Speaker 2: it's it's a theoretical But these these signatures, and I
Speaker 2: call them signatures, and you can read that term signatures
Speaker 2: means that what is the cutting style? What is the
Speaker 2: composition style of these pre dynastic people? And it looks
Speaker 2: like the earlier you go, and we talk about this
Speaker 2: in the Old Kingdom temple work in the sculptures, the
Speaker 2: earlier you go, the more sophisticated the carving. So long
Speaker 2: story short, abusabil is the initial work the four Colossi
Speaker 2: looks to be pre dynastic. Now you're not going to
Speaker 2: get an Egyptologist to admit that unless this data is released,
Speaker 2: and so you have to begin releasing the data. And
Speaker 2: I'm very hesitant to do that. You know, I'm just
Speaker 2: a journalist. But these prompts are getting very sophisticated. And
Speaker 2: that's the key to unlock this data is writing a
Speaker 2: very sophisticated prompt. If you don't know what I'm talking about,
Speaker 2: go and do a search for sophisticated prompts on a
Speaker 2: topic like the Great Pyramids, or if you're in North America,
Speaker 2: the mound builders, the Kahokia or something, you know, and
Speaker 2: see what it says, and then you'll learn that the
Speaker 2: more detail you can get in your question in terms
Speaker 2: including technical data like houses carved, what was the original elevations?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, it's just kind of like
Speaker 2: dig down into it. If you can create a solid
Speaker 2: paragraph which is your prompt, watch out, watch out to
Speaker 2: get some amazing material. And I'm really excited about this
Speaker 2: because it's almost like before I go to Benverne and
Speaker 2: I kind of go through my book of anomalies, you know,
Speaker 2: and I've been disappointed, especially as a mayanist. I've been
Speaker 2: very disappointed because I've discovered that things that I thought
Speaker 2: were representations of technology are just shamanistic tools. Or you know.
Speaker 2: It's great because remember AI is taking every little bit
Speaker 2: of data, decades worth, centuries worth, one hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: plus years of my own data and dumping it into
Speaker 2: a system and analyzing it so you get the clear perception.
Speaker 2: But that shouldn't stop you. You keep working, you keep
Speaker 2: changing and refining your prompt asking additional questions you'll be surprised.
Speaker 2: You'll be surprised at what comes out. It's just fantastic.
Speaker 2: So I am loving AI. In fact, I love it
Speaker 2: so much that we're going to to do a special
Speaker 2: program on AI in Ancient History with the top experts,
Speaker 2: including my guests today, doctor Heather Lynn, who is writing
Speaker 2: a book that's coming out on artificial intelligence. So look
Speaker 2: forward to that. We'll have four experts, two of them
Speaker 2: filed archaeologists. One a geologist, could be Randal Carlson. I
Speaker 2: don't know. He said he's interested. We'll have to find
Speaker 2: out anyhow. Look forward to that and I'll announce it
Speaker 2: in the future. So fun, very very fun. Hey, the
Speaker 2: guest today is doctor Heather Lynn. She has written a
Speaker 2: new book called Ananachi Revelation, and this is a brilliant
Speaker 2: piece of work. If you have any interest in the
Speaker 2: Ananaki whatsoever, you got to get this book. It just
Speaker 2: came out. You can get it on Amazon. And we're
Speaker 2: going to learn some of the new data that she
Speaker 2: has uncovered using AI, but also some really sharp research
Speaker 2: tools that have become available. So I think you're going
Speaker 2: to enjoy the show an Anachi Revelation with Heatherlin. This
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Speaker 2: Forward slash Ancients. There's a new Anonochi book out there,
Speaker 2: and we've had a lot of discussion. We've had Michael
Speaker 2: Tellinger on the show, and we've had the people who
Speaker 2: are holding up the Anonachi banner, and I've mentioned many
Speaker 2: times that I knew and worked with and traveled with
Speaker 2: Zacharaizh Sichen, who is noted as the expert on the Anonachi,
Speaker 2: which turned out to be not quite true. But we
Speaker 2: have Heather alone with us today introducing a new book
Speaker 2: called Anonachi Revelation, and it's excellent. Not only is it
Speaker 2: detailed and we're gonna learn more about today she gets
Speaker 2: into the fundamentals of Anonachi, the history of it, and
Speaker 2: the Sumerians, which are just this amazing civilization. But there's
Speaker 2: some twists here that I think you're gonna find quite interesting.
Speaker 2: So Heather, welcome to Earth the Ancients. Good to see you.
Speaker 2: You have a happy smile.
Speaker 3: How you been, I've been great. Thank you so much
Speaker 3: for having me. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: This is wonderful what you've written in this book on
Speaker 2: so many different levels, and we're going to get into
Speaker 2: what were the what inspired you, But there's a lot
Speaker 2: to cover. Does this take off from the last book
Speaker 2: or is this kind of a would you say, a
Speaker 2: fresh start?
Speaker 3: A little bit of both. I think it's standalone, so
Speaker 3: it would seem like a fresh start, but it definitely
Speaker 3: did come as a result of the work that I
Speaker 3: did with the Onanaki connection for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then in the beginning, let's talk a little
Speaker 2: bit about the beginning, because we're talking about Sumerians and
Speaker 2: Sumerian mythology, and they're quite a unique race because they
Speaker 2: brought through writing. Talk a little bit about that, would you.
Speaker 3: Well, many people are familiar with the Sumerians as being
Speaker 3: the civilization and that's where we get this on your
Speaker 3: Noki lore. And in a lot of ways, they're the
Speaker 3: first pantheon that we even know the names of. Because
Speaker 3: these Samerians were prolific writers. They kept track of everything,
Speaker 3: very bureaucratic, very mythical, and so they wrote on cuneiform
Speaker 3: tablets made of clay, which is a large reason we
Speaker 3: still have so many of those tablets and to reference,
Speaker 3: and so many we don't even have them all translated.
Speaker 3: There's the last estimate was about half a million Samerian
Speaker 3: tablets currently in museums and in universities, with many more
Speaker 3: to be discovered, and so the translations on those have
Speaker 3: not been completed. Only a fraction of them have. So
Speaker 3: it's a very interesting and dynamic field and so many
Speaker 3: people have been excited about it over the years, and
Speaker 3: as you can imagine, both mainstream and alternative so to speak,
Speaker 3: individuals have done that research and started trying to put
Speaker 3: out there their ideas and translations and interpretations.
Speaker 2: It's funny we were just talking about AI. Do we
Speaker 2: know if they have a cuneiform AI book or system
Speaker 2: or something that they're working on, because as you say,
Speaker 2: they keep finding libraries or stockpiles of these cuneiforms in Iraqi,
Speaker 2: not only ruin sites but other areas too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they are, they're currently working on that. There was
Speaker 3: a press release but sometime last year announcing that they
Speaker 3: had translated successfully to in their opinion, it was cross
Speaker 3: validated by humans, and so they were experimenting with that
Speaker 3: ability to translate cuneiform specifically and then eventually hopefully other texts.
Speaker 3: It's fascinating because it's estimated that if you had a
Speaker 3: full time staff working round the clock, it would take
Speaker 3: forty plus years or more to just start to translate
Speaker 3: all of the tablets that are in possession. So there's
Speaker 3: just no way that we're going to be able to
Speaker 3: get to that. So what you have is a scarcity
Speaker 3: of individuals who can actually do the work, a scarcity
Speaker 3: of money too, because those people do have to be paid,
Speaker 3: and there have to be programs. And so what you're
Speaker 3: looking at here with artificial intelligence is the potential to
Speaker 3: ramp that up, to speed it up quite significantly. But
Speaker 3: also with those strengths come weaknesses, some of which include
Speaker 3: the question of who owns the data, who's funding the data,
Speaker 3: what happens to that data when it comes out, how
Speaker 3: has it been trained, what sort of ethics are at
Speaker 3: play there. And one bit of information when I was
Speaker 3: looking into this initially was well, we have one university
Speaker 3: doing this and then a few others, but the funding
Speaker 3: was coming from a central location. So they were getting
Speaker 3: grants to their universities from say an endowment for the
Speaker 3: Humanities or something to that effect in each country, and
Speaker 3: each of those endowments were donated by one global organization
Speaker 3: called the Transatlantic Platform. So at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: that's something concerning because you have who knows how many
Speaker 3: people who'd like to go in and tamper with what
Speaker 3: those tablets actually say.
Speaker 2: Now, I have discovered in recent years that those tablets
Speaker 2: would cover daily activities. They're not just you know, mythology
Speaker 2: and history. They covered a huge variety of topics did.
Speaker 3: They everything everything from spells and incantations to actual day
Speaker 3: to day dinner recipes, and some of the more famous ones,
Speaker 3: or one in particular is usually referred to as the
Speaker 3: first customer complaint, So that's a funny one. So a
Speaker 3: lot of them, as you could imagine, have to do
Speaker 3: with genealogies or land ownership or trade or that sort
Speaker 3: of thing. But then of course there's school books too,
Speaker 3: there's medical texts, there's everything you could imagine coming from
Speaker 3: a civilization, and it was all recorded, from the mundane
Speaker 3: to the extraordinary.
Speaker 2: Do you think Sitchin took artistic license in his interpretations
Speaker 2: of the cuneiforms?
Speaker 3: Absolutely?
Speaker 2: And I think, but how what how much do you
Speaker 2: think it was he rewrote the book or did he
Speaker 2: just like, well, you know, he was a god and
Speaker 2: he flew in a ship.
Speaker 3: I think. I think what he did is I think
Speaker 3: some of the translations are malleable, and so I think
Speaker 3: that he was able to push those to their limits.
Speaker 3: But I often when I talk about Sitchen refer to
Speaker 3: the difference between translation and interpretation and so while he
Speaker 3: did get some translations wrong, as we know now in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty six, some of them were correct because he
Speaker 3: was mostly citing some previous work, but then also the translation.
Speaker 3: So even if you were to or the interpretation, even
Speaker 3: if you were to translate everything word for word, the
Speaker 3: interpretation is something that is equally as important, and so
Speaker 3: I think it was a little bit of both. But
Speaker 3: mostly the interpretation is where we may have flaws. And
Speaker 3: so for instance, if you have like the word rouge,
Speaker 3: I like this is one example, the word rouge. It's
Speaker 3: French for red, but it's also known as like if
Speaker 3: you're putting on blush, you know, a women's blush or
Speaker 3: makeup would be like rouge. Well you would think maybe
Speaker 3: that's because it's red, but it actually because it's powder.
Speaker 3: So if you buy a chocolate and you know that's
Speaker 3: a chocolate powder, cocoa powder, it will be called cocoa rouge.
Speaker 3: So if you don't know what you're looking at or
Speaker 3: how it's interpreted, you might look at that cocoa powder
Speaker 3: and say it's it's red chocolate. Is that red? Or
Speaker 3: is it you know it's powder. So there's a lot
Speaker 3: of inferences that could be made. It's like if we
Speaker 3: went back and somebody you know, was in the future
Speaker 3: and they looked back at our language and said, you know,
Speaker 3: what's this. They're saying that this album was cool? Does
Speaker 3: it mean it was like temperature wise, it was actually
Speaker 3: cool to the touch versus what's the metric? You know,
Speaker 3: totally off base, right, There's a lot more that goes
Speaker 3: into understanding texts like this than simply translation, and so
Speaker 3: I think because of the complexity of it Sichen was
Speaker 3: able to get a lot of things correct and then
Speaker 3: get a lot of things maybe in a world in
Speaker 3: a realm that he put his own interpretations and spins
Speaker 3: on it. A big notable way you can pull that
Speaker 3: out is thinking about his points of reference, and we
Speaker 3: all bring bias into the equation. It's a good researcher
Speaker 3: that can admit that and then clarify so that other
Speaker 3: people can go through and acknowledge that bias as well.
Speaker 3: So he didn't necessarily acknowledge that bias, and that bias
Speaker 3: would have been when he wrote those books. At around
Speaker 3: that time, the culture was very excited about new space
Speaker 3: exploration and technology, and so it makes a lot of
Speaker 3: sense that when he writes about these gods coming from
Speaker 3: extraterrestrial places that they weren't coming in via some new
Speaker 3: idea that we may see and say a modern film
Speaker 3: like a Rival or Contact even, but rather nuts and bolt,
Speaker 3: spaceships made of metal, things that are very, very iconic
Speaker 3: to the nineteen sixties. And so when you consider when
Speaker 3: he was writing this the popularity of that material, those
Speaker 3: are the things that shine through. And so it's important
Speaker 3: to look at all authors with that bit of not
Speaker 3: skepticism in that negative way, but just you know, with
Speaker 3: your eyes open and understanding people's biases. So, yes, he
Speaker 3: did take a lot and interpret them in a lot
Speaker 3: of different ways, but a lot of the texts were
Speaker 3: actually lending themselves to that story altogether. It's just that's
Speaker 3: that's one of the things that I think is also important.
Speaker 3: Like an example would be when he talks about how
Speaker 3: they came and enslaved people, right, Well, that's actually pretty
Speaker 3: true if you look at the accounts of what the
Speaker 3: Sumerians did, what they had to do, and what they
Speaker 3: were compelled to do and what happened. So how that
Speaker 3: came about and all of those things are another detail.
Speaker 3: But so I think the big away when it comes
Speaker 3: to Sitchen and has realized that there were biases. There's
Speaker 3: a lot going on there. And then we have years past,
Speaker 3: so again it's twenty twenty six now, so a lot
Speaker 3: has changed. He wasn't the only one, and he's not
Speaker 3: been the only one in the field has grown, and
Speaker 3: people still go to school and try to learn this
Speaker 3: and research it, and other authors who perhaps didn't go
Speaker 3: to school for it specifically have weighed in and through
Speaker 3: all of that activity. Partially because of him being able
Speaker 3: to put it out into the public and make it
Speaker 3: something interesting to people, more information has come about and
Speaker 3: more learning has happened. So it's a mistake to trap
Speaker 3: your points of reference in the Sitchen camp, so to speak.
Speaker 2: He's not a reference point, I think, is what you're saying.
Speaker 3: He's just a reference point absolutely on the basic historiography
Speaker 3: of the Onanaki.
Speaker 2: If you will, yeah, before we leave Sitchin, do you
Speaker 2: think that the Ananaki word geneticis like he I mean,
Speaker 2: this is a huge point for him. He wrote a
Speaker 2: whole book gone it manipulating DNA and we are hybrids
Speaker 2: from them and from early ape like creatures.
Speaker 3: I asked, absolutely believe that. However, This is where we
Speaker 3: have that difference in interpretation. If you are interested in
Speaker 3: that material, you may immediately think a geneticist is somebody
Speaker 3: like one of the upclu or on a Naki guys
Speaker 3: wearing a lab suit and he has a beaker and
Speaker 3: he's pouring stuff through and what have you. But let's
Speaker 3: use Occam's raiser there. So the text does talk about
Speaker 3: regulations on breeding and a whole host of other things.
Speaker 3: But what could they have done? Something probably a lot
Speaker 3: more simple, which is my point, which is they brought
Speaker 3: in technologies like agriculture. Part of agriculture too is animal husbandry.
Speaker 3: If they subjugated the hunter semi settled hunter gatherers that
Speaker 3: were in the region, forced them to work for them
Speaker 3: aka worship, then they had all of these different rules
Speaker 3: and regulations, including that their kind wouldn't be able to
Speaker 3: mingle with the semi settled hundred gathers in the region.
Speaker 3: So in that sense, you have a particular cast of people,
Speaker 3: the honor Naki, if you will, and they are selectively breeding.
Speaker 3: They're controlling the native population through what they understood their technology,
Speaker 3: which is animal husbandry. So if you wanted to breed
Speaker 3: some dogs and make you a labordoodle. You don't need
Speaker 3: a lab code of beaker and a whole lot of technology.
Speaker 3: You know what to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you get into some Indiana Jones in the early
Speaker 2: part of your book, which I really like. We're talking
Speaker 2: about historians, and according to your research, the Nazis had
Speaker 2: a great deal of interest in Iraq, and talk about
Speaker 2: that because I found it interesting. I thought it was
Speaker 2: a kind of a joke because you think of it
Speaker 2: as a movie and you're saying, no, the Nazis actually
Speaker 2: were serious about it and spent considerable amount of resources
Speaker 2: having people go and dig. They did.
Speaker 3: They did. They were actually concerned with a lot of
Speaker 3: that region, Iran in particular, and in fact, that's where
Speaker 3: we get the term Aryan. It comes from the Ariana
Speaker 3: and their name and so that meant noble blood. So
Speaker 3: a lot of this research is you know, a controversial
Speaker 3: if you will, because the Nazis were very much interested
Speaker 3: in locating these particular bloodlines, and so they didn't make
Speaker 3: up the science and technology. The science and technology to
Speaker 3: understand anthropology at the time already existed and it was
Speaker 3: sort of a racial science and it was doing something
Speaker 3: completely different, but it fit the narrative of the Nazi regime,
Speaker 3: and so they went and looked into that, funded it greatly,
Speaker 3: made it nationalized, and then sent people in all sorts
Speaker 3: of groups to try to find evidence for this particular idea. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and now what's a big problem with it, among other things,
Speaker 3: is that some of the research that was heading into
Speaker 3: anthropology and through anthropology at the time, things about say
Speaker 3: like the proto Indo European people, or human migration patterns,
Speaker 3: the transfer of technologies and this sort of thing. They
Speaker 3: were on one track. But then because of the Nazi regime,
Speaker 3: because of what they did to weaponize everything, it was
Speaker 3: like thrown out completely. And so any anthropologist post the Nazi,
Speaker 3: the World War two and like into especially postmodernists in
Speaker 3: the nineteen sixties, they were encouraged to do some completely
Speaker 3: different almost to make up for the fact that Hitler
Speaker 3: sort of took this notion and ran with it. But
Speaker 3: if you back it up to that time, he had
Speaker 3: the onerbe and yes, it is very much Indiana Jones ish.
Speaker 3: They were looking for these particular artifacts and evidence of
Speaker 3: this bloodline that they thought was a noble bloodline. So
Speaker 3: I used to ask my students this very thing you know,
Speaker 3: if you hear like Hitler wanted a bunch of Aryans,
Speaker 3: you know what did that mean? And most people will
Speaker 3: say tall, blonde haired individuals, and to which I would
Speaker 3: say no, because you know, because then the question is, well,
Speaker 3: why was he into that? And he was shortened, didn't
Speaker 3: have blonde hair. It's like because here misunderstanding what the
Speaker 3: Aryan idea was for them, and it was this idea
Speaker 3: of the seed sort of of population coming out of Iran,
Speaker 3: and that he viewed that the Iranians and people in
Speaker 3: that Mesopotamian area more broadly were of the noblest and
Speaker 3: purest bloodline of these individuals, and so he thought they
Speaker 3: were officially, like you know, part of the Nazi regime
Speaker 3: and gave them all kinds of special preferred nation status
Speaker 3: in this And so as he starts going in and
Speaker 3: looking for artifacts to link the German people to this
Speaker 3: so called race as well, you know, he he, he
Speaker 3: was already in occult to people around him were occultist.
Speaker 3: And it just so happens that leading up to that
Speaker 3: was this big view of Atlantis and theosophy and the
Speaker 3: notion of root races, and that was informing that as well.
Speaker 3: And so in addition to them maybe being like some
Speaker 3: superior maybe an appearance or something, you know what we're
Speaker 3: usually led to believe, he thought they were also had
Speaker 3: like magical powers and all of these different abilities, and
Speaker 3: so he thought this was important to find these bloodlines.
Speaker 3: And whether or not it was him personally or if
Speaker 3: it was Himmler and these types, doesn't really matter. A
Speaker 3: lot of money went to searching for artifacts that would
Speaker 3: legitimize their racial beliefs and paint a broader picture of
Speaker 3: the history of the German people. And so he was
Speaker 3: leveraging a lot of existing science at the time and
Speaker 3: then pumped a bunch of money into it, which led
Speaker 3: to some innovations, but also, as you could imagine, unregulated inquiry.
Speaker 3: And so he gave people lots of money, almost like
Speaker 3: the Epstein situation, where it's like, go do science, here's
Speaker 3: all the money, corruption, whatever, and then as you see it,
Speaker 3: it didn't. It didn't go so well.
Speaker 2: Is there a sense that the Innanaki were an aryan
Speaker 2: type of race or was that just their hope? The
Speaker 2: Nazis hoped that they would find evidence that in these
Speaker 2: cuneiforms that these were you know, white, tall alien races
Speaker 2: that wanted to make more white, tall aliens.
Speaker 3: You're right. I think that they were heavily influenced by Wells. Firstly,
Speaker 3: that they weren't even extraterrestrial, but rather from hollow Earth,
Speaker 3: because they were into the idea of the real or
Speaker 3: the vrialia. So they had the real society, and that
Speaker 3: actually came that idea came from a novel that had
Speaker 3: been written at the time, but that really dealt with
Speaker 3: the idea of entities coming from hollow Earth, and so
Speaker 3: a lot of weird stuff going on to inform their thinking.
Speaker 3: So whether or not they thought of them as real
Speaker 3: or tall, or white or however, it's unclear because so
Speaker 3: many people were in that mix with their own agendas.
Speaker 3: The only thing that we know for sure is that
Speaker 3: they spent a lot of money and a lot of
Speaker 3: effort looking for particular artifacts.
Speaker 2: And this brings me forward and you've written some fabulous research,
Speaker 2: and this is that. Also the Americans are looting the
Speaker 2: Iraqi museums during the Gulf War. What was that all about?
Speaker 2: Do we have evidence of exactly what they took or
Speaker 2: is it just like they were in the basement of
Speaker 2: the museum and pillaging and taking unique documents.
Speaker 3: That's a really good question because initially you would think, well,
Speaker 3: they're looting it so they can take valuable things, and
Speaker 3: so that was not necessarily the case. And what you
Speaker 3: find was there's a list of items that they came
Speaker 3: up with that would have made more sense for them
Speaker 3: to take, so things that would have been very valuable
Speaker 3: to sell on the black market, and those were left
Speaker 3: behind most of them. The other things that they took
Speaker 3: were just strange, didn't seem to have much value. Some
Speaker 3: of them did have obvious value. But when it was asked,
Speaker 3: you know, why why did they leave these items, there
Speaker 3: wasn't a clear idea as to why. The theories have
Speaker 3: been that well, perhaps it's because if they bought them,
Speaker 3: or if they if they stole them and then tried
Speaker 3: to sell them, the people who'd buy them might have
Speaker 3: been intel, they might have been found out and it
Speaker 3: could have linked them to that. And so that's the
Speaker 3: only explanation we're given. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: the one thing that is known for sure, and this
Speaker 3: came out in court because there was a trial for this.
Speaker 3: This isn't conspiracy theory speculation of oh I think they
Speaker 3: went in and looted, and it was probably us. It
Speaker 3: was an inside job. No, it definitely was, and that
Speaker 3: was cited in the court hearing. So this is a
Speaker 3: settled case already. We did go loot the museum, and
Speaker 3: what was taken, though, is believed to have been something
Speaker 3: that they knew what they were going for. There was
Speaker 3: a list, there was, you know, go here, turn left, here,
Speaker 3: take this. It was a very calculated thing. And to
Speaker 3: what it is that they have, it's hard to tell,
Speaker 3: but it wouldn't be the first time that that museum
Speaker 3: or museums like this have been outright looted. In fact,
Speaker 3: I write about it in the book. The biggest case
Speaker 3: that is just really devastating in a lot of ways
Speaker 3: happened in the Baghdad Museum. You have in nineteen eighty
Speaker 3: nine a professor who was local there, Professor Muzahim Mahmoud Hussein.
Speaker 2: You just spit that one out, almost didn't, almost like
Speaker 2: it's the tip of Mike tug. I don't worry about it.
Speaker 2: I just say a guy from Iraq.
Speaker 3: Well say, professor Hussein.
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Speaker 3: And so that's an easy one. So Professor Hussein, he
Speaker 3: was you know, obviously local to the region, and he
Speaker 3: was doing some research with his team and discovered after
Speaker 3: the Westerners had left and done their excavations, of course,
Speaker 3: or in otherwise, they were finally able to do some
Speaker 3: of their own work, and he stumbled upon the site
Speaker 3: of Nimrod that had the queen's tombs, and they went
Speaker 3: in and excavated and found, get this the largest discovery
Speaker 3: of gold since King Tut and so Tut's tomb.
Speaker 2: Well like a treasury, or like treasury.
Speaker 3: It was the treasury two queen's tombs and many different
Speaker 3: gold had dresses in gold. It was beautiful, almost undisturbed,
Speaker 3: loads of gold, tons of gold, artifacts and everything you
Speaker 3: could imagine. And it's funny how you don't really hear
Speaker 3: a lot about that, right, It's like all the gold
Speaker 3: that could ever be found, aside from all the treasures
Speaker 3: in king text to him, there is this. And so
Speaker 3: what happened, Well, what they did, It was nineteen eighty nine,
Speaker 3: and this professor, he and his team did due diligence
Speaker 3: and exactly what you're supposed to do as a museum professional,
Speaker 3: and he photographed and cataloged every single item. And the
Speaker 3: next year then there was war. The next year they
Speaker 3: had to take everything from their newly acquired collection that
Speaker 3: they were working through and they put it in bank
Speaker 3: vaults and at the treasury in Iran. Yes, and then
Speaker 3: of course, as you could imagine, that's it. They were looted.
Speaker 3: They've lost every everything. Now what's even worse in a
Speaker 3: lot of ways was Professor Hussein was also missing. He
Speaker 3: was last seen in Mosul under duress, and you know,
Speaker 3: writing about his family too, and a lot of the
Speaker 3: individuals in the individuals over and over again through these
Speaker 3: lootings and the bombings. The individuals at the museum are
Speaker 3: just some of the biggest heroes, you know, men and
Speaker 3: women that stand by these artifacts and even when they're
Speaker 3: advised to leave, they stay with them. So we have
Speaker 3: people who really cared and tried their very best, but
Speaker 3: put their lives on the line. Yet the artifacts were
Speaker 3: still stolen. So in that loot Now there's a book.
Speaker 3: It was usually it was really expensive until so it's
Speaker 3: still not too long ago. There's a PDF version available online.
Speaker 3: It's published by the University of Chicago and they published
Speaker 3: his work and so you can see pictures. There used
Speaker 3: to be pictures in circulation of some of these items.
Speaker 3: Many of them are not digitized because it came out
Speaker 3: in like the nineties in print and later, and so
Speaker 3: many of these things aren't digitized. And it in that
Speaker 3: discovery is where I located the so called wristwatches.
Speaker 2: Of the Gods of Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so I got my hands on the picture
Speaker 3: and I put it in the book that Unfortunately the
Speaker 3: book didn't have color plates, so it's it's a little underwhelming.
Speaker 3: But you can go my substack and look for it
Speaker 3: and the pictures there because they're beautiful. They're beautiful and
Speaker 3: important too, because in a way, maybe those conspiracy theorists
Speaker 3: were right that they were like teleportation devices or something
Speaker 3: to that effect. But that's uh.
Speaker 2: A little bit because you bring those appears worried, yeah, devices.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So basically all of these artifacts were just gone.
Speaker 3: Some of them came back. We don't know where others
Speaker 3: have gone. It's just a whole mess. But they lost
Speaker 3: a ton and because of the war and as you
Speaker 3: as you can imagine. And so, but there is there
Speaker 3: is research that is very valuable. And when I dug
Speaker 3: into that and new upon intended the words of the
Speaker 3: professor himself. Remember he wrote this in both English and Arabic,
Speaker 3: and so he wrote this in English, so there's no
Speaker 3: you know, it's his words, and it's stunning. Then some
Speaker 3: of the discoveries and his interpretations and analysis that come
Speaker 3: about that you don't really hear in the West or
Speaker 3: even now, and especially when you consider what I call
Speaker 3: on Naki Inc. Which is like a whole industry spreading
Speaker 3: on a Naki stories and so a lot of it's
Speaker 3: even covered up by that. So my goal was to
Speaker 3: literally uncover the truth behind what happened in Sumer in
Speaker 3: Iraq later of course, and the story of the Anaki altogether.
Speaker 2: Wow, you know, bringing it forward. Those items, those artifacts
Speaker 2: were probably gone forever, you know. Yeah, and because I
Speaker 2: don't see unless you know something about a commission that's
Speaker 2: been put together to try to reacquire the looting, but
Speaker 2: that's gone, you know. I mean, look today you go
Speaker 2: to the British Museum, you go to the Louver and
Speaker 2: you see Egyptian artifacts that they're desperate to get back,
Speaker 2: but they're not giving them up. That's a weird one.
Speaker 3: I was just at the Cleveland Museum of Art and
Speaker 3: the Boston Museum of Fine Arts, and in both places
Speaker 3: they had a lot of exhibits that were either missing
Speaker 3: items because of those arguments, or in some cases I
Speaker 3: thought this was kind of funny really they had at
Speaker 3: Boston they put blankets over some of the displays like
Speaker 3: these are contested, so you can't see them. You know,
Speaker 3: I thought that was a little corny, but like we
Speaker 3: have them, we're investigating their origins. There's court cases, so
Speaker 3: you can't lay your eyes on them. Okay, funny too.
Speaker 2: I want to get into the cuneiform interpretations because and
Speaker 2: this is going to lead us into the next section
Speaker 2: of your wonderful book on cognition. And I wonder if
Speaker 2: the interpretations that consumers were putting down on these tablets
Speaker 2: were of cognitive enhancements and evolutionary type of thing. And
Speaker 2: we're going to get into the role of psychedelics here
Speaker 2: in a second, but do you get a sense of
Speaker 2: that in the cuneiforms that they're actually describing states of consciousness?
Speaker 3: I do. And because they were priests and physicians, that
Speaker 3: wasn't a separate category. So for them, healing and medicine
Speaker 3: involved the spiritual world. And so as I wrote about
Speaker 3: years ago in Evil Archaeology talking about some of the
Speaker 3: exorcism rights, that had to do with basically things that
Speaker 3: we would see in pop culture where it was you know,
Speaker 3: the patient is it would be the patient or the
Speaker 3: afflicted person. It would be maybe writhing and having all
Speaker 3: these things, and then the priests would say you know
Speaker 3: what it is, your name demon, and you'd have to
Speaker 3: know the name. But the name it wasn't just some
Speaker 3: sort of spiritual warfare thing. It was an early diagnostic
Speaker 3: tool because if you knew which demon it was that
Speaker 3: this person was afflicted with, then you knew the different
Speaker 3: potions and pills and processes that you could use to
Speaker 3: heal that person. And so the medicine and the mind
Speaker 3: it wasn't separate at the time. And so there's many
Speaker 3: different medical end exorcism textbooks that go through this line
Speaker 3: by line and discuss formulas for literally pills, because they
Speaker 3: made pills and salves and different medicines like that. So definitely,
Speaker 3: without a doubt, they had so much writing and so
Speaker 3: much instruction, and in that though is included things that
Speaker 3: were known to elevate the person's psyche in some way,
Speaker 3: shape or form. And that was one that I found
Speaker 3: out about in my own research and that I put
Speaker 3: in the book. And that's the whole gill which was
Speaker 3: known as the joy plant, which was poppy, So we
Speaker 3: know that that's an opioid and they were using opium
Speaker 3: and they thought very highly of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Sumerians really appear as a highly educated society
Speaker 2: with all these cuteiforms. You have to wonder if you
Speaker 2: you go down a street block and there's like a
Speaker 2: rack of cuneiforms. You're reading the daily mail, you know,
Speaker 2: the daily news, but there's there's so small, you know,
Speaker 2: like but some of them are big, some of are
Speaker 2: as big as your hands. So you got to wonder
Speaker 2: how how they utilize, uh, the cuneiforms other than as
Speaker 2: a resource. You know, it's kind of funny.
Speaker 3: Well, it's really cool that the cylinder seals themselves, or
Speaker 3: I have one that I usually take and show people
Speaker 3: that's they're sort of small, maybe like like about that big,
Speaker 3: and they have a hole drilled in them, so they
Speaker 3: almost are like beads. And that was by design because
Speaker 3: they would use a lot of those and string them
Speaker 3: and carry them with them so that they could like print.
Speaker 3: It's sort of like a very ancient flash drive. So
Speaker 3: on the cuneiform you would have the information you're trying
Speaker 3: to share with somebody else or take with you, and
Speaker 3: you could replicate that. Then if somebody had clay, you
Speaker 3: would just roll that out. And so it'd be easy
Speaker 3: to not just take the tablets with you, but instead
Speaker 3: you could take the source material with you. You took
Speaker 3: the cylinder seals, and because they were like beads and
Speaker 3: you could wear them or have them, and then you
Speaker 3: needed to communicate, you could roll it right out.
Speaker 2: Wow. I love that idea. I don't want to give
Speaker 2: them too much of the bookway, but I'm going to
Speaker 2: drop this one bomb which blows me away, which is
Speaker 2: I want you to describe what an ultra terrestrial is,
Speaker 2: and then we're going to get into details. Because most
Speaker 2: people think of the ananaki as Ets extraterrestrial be who
Speaker 2: came to Earth enslaved humans, made highbrids that would work
Speaker 2: for them, dug deep tunnels, and you know, took gold
Speaker 2: and other precious metals, and you know that's the typical story.
Speaker 2: But you have a completely different take on it, which
Speaker 2: I think is pretty significant. And I want you to
Speaker 2: describe the ultra terrestrial.
Speaker 3: Well, it does sort of go to my core thesis
Speaker 3: overall that has come about after writing The Unannachy Connection,
Speaker 3: where initially I was just looking into the phenomenon itself,
Speaker 3: and people would email me and ask me questions and
Speaker 3: what do I think of stargates and this sort of thing,
Speaker 3: and I'd say, like stargate SG one. I'm not really
Speaker 3: I don't know. I didn't take it here and I
Speaker 3: wasn't even I didn't even read sitchens work. I didn't
Speaker 3: really know what was going on there, and so I
Speaker 3: came from a more traditional view of it. But I
Speaker 3: did notice, though, in following the money and all of that,
Speaker 3: the tons of corruption and interest that were involved, and
Speaker 3: that was what pulled me in to the point where eventually,
Speaker 3: instead of trying to answer the question of are there stargates,
Speaker 3: it's hold on what is a stargate? What is it actually?
Speaker 3: And so I started asking different questions and I shared
Speaker 3: those things and those lines of thoughts in my initial book.
Speaker 3: But as frustrating as it maybe for a reader, you
Speaker 3: can imagine myself at the end of the book, I
Speaker 3: had more questions than I had answers, and I started
Speaker 3: to think about things in a different way. And over
Speaker 3: the years then I started more and more research and
Speaker 3: interviewing people talking about it and everything you could imagine,
Speaker 3: and I have developed I suppose I hate to be
Speaker 3: one of those people too, because I was like, I'm
Speaker 3: just going to do a historiography, look at what other
Speaker 3: people have to say. But then I became a person
Speaker 3: that I do have my own pet theory, and that's
Speaker 3: sort of what this book goes into, and that is
Speaker 3: because I just couldn't not at this point. I started
Speaker 3: seeing all these connections and I saw that what looks
Speaker 3: to me like when you as opposed to looking at
Speaker 3: the tertiary sources, try to go right to the primary sources.
Speaker 3: So you don't have to read Samaran either to be
Speaker 3: able to do that, although we can. We have a
Speaker 3: lot of resources online available to start to understand their language.
Speaker 3: So it's not as esoteric as it would seem. So
Speaker 3: we have a lot of tools, but just to go
Speaker 3: back to some of the primary sources and what they
Speaker 3: had to say about their own experiences when reading it
Speaker 3: through that lens and trusting them too, not saying, well,
Speaker 3: you know, these are primitive people and they were just
Speaker 3: superstitious and they're talking all kinds of nonsense, and say,
Speaker 3: you know what, it's my job to understand what it
Speaker 3: is they're saying. They weren't communicating with me, they were
Speaker 3: communicating with each other, and so I have to be
Speaker 3: the one to go that mile to break through that barrier.
Speaker 3: And in doing so, I saw what started to emerge
Speaker 3: to be almost a very human story. So when you
Speaker 3: take the Onanaki and you consider what was said about
Speaker 3: them and their experience, it looks to me, and again
Speaker 3: I have lots of what I would consider evidence or
Speaker 3: support in the book that what we're looking at is
Speaker 3: essentially the meeting of two different peoples. So you have,
Speaker 3: as I've mentioned, the semi subtled hunter gatherers that were
Speaker 3: known to be in Mesopotamia at the time, and then
Speaker 3: you have these invaders that come in and they have
Speaker 3: been said to been having their own royal blood, princely seed.
Speaker 3: They came from above to below. All of those interpretations
Speaker 3: of what the Onanaki means in terms of etymology, But
Speaker 3: when you look at how they refer to themselves and
Speaker 3: comparing themselves to the Anonachi, they called themselves the black
Speaker 3: headed ones, which is notable because if these individuals had
Speaker 3: dark hair, then why would you have to say that
Speaker 3: you were the ones that dark hair? Thus they aren't,
Speaker 3: so that's a notable thing. They were also described as
Speaker 3: the atoma, like where we get the idea of Adam
Speaker 3: or Adam and Eve. The atoma is usually interpreted as
Speaker 3: meaning like clay or earth because in the Abrahamic tradition,
Speaker 3: mostly Judaism and Islam. You hear that emphasis of God
Speaker 3: making Adam the first man out of the clay of
Speaker 3: the earth, sort of forming him almost like a statue
Speaker 3: or something. So that's where that word comes from. But
Speaker 3: if you really look at what it's talking about, it's
Speaker 3: not just any clay. It's specifically the red clay of
Speaker 3: that particular soil in that region, and that particular clay
Speaker 3: that Atoma, is very red, so much so that the
Speaker 3: word then for red lader is associated with that word.
Speaker 3: And what you find with the hunter gatherers from the
Speaker 3: culture before that they have burials of them. Their funerary
Speaker 3: rites involved rubbing down the entire body with this red ochre,
Speaker 3: which is not a typical human behavior. So if you
Speaker 3: consider that these were the red people red because they
Speaker 3: were rubbing themselves down with this very specific color of
Speaker 3: red clay from the region. They may have had dark hair.
Speaker 3: We know from their remains that they reached about five
Speaker 3: foot tall, so as one would expect from hunter gatherers.
Speaker 3: And if they came encounter with who they called the
Speaker 3: Shining ones and who were larger, you know, we say giants,
Speaker 3: but you know, we don't have to go to jolly
Speaker 3: green giant. We can say, well, if you're five foot
Speaker 3: tall and maybe there's a six foot person that could
Speaker 3: be giant. But we have to look at as in
Speaker 3: the stories, what's happening to them? They are made to
Speaker 3: work for these on Anaki And it's almost like in
Speaker 3: my view the Cargo cult, that these weren't necessarily gods,
Speaker 3: these were deified humans. Where did they come from and
Speaker 3: why were they there? How are they shining? Then then
Speaker 3: I have to consider the impact of the Younger Dryest
Speaker 3: period and what may have and then when you have
Speaker 3: essentially climate refugees looking back at those key dates and
Speaker 3: considering all of the different ways that individuals could have
Speaker 3: been traveling. And again now it's not just through artifacts,
Speaker 3: it's through DNA evidence coming out of Harvard that shows
Speaker 3: something very similar was happening after the Younger Dryas. So,
Speaker 3: for instance, when we think of Sumer being the land
Speaker 3: of all the firsts, and I've even put that in
Speaker 3: my previous book, and I used to teach that in
Speaker 3: my class. Unfortunately I have to step back and say, no,
Speaker 3: that's not true. They weren't the land of first They
Speaker 3: were the land of many firsts, but mostly a confluence.
Speaker 3: So for instance, the wheel. We see evidence for things
Speaker 3: like the wheel, the horse, and chariot, even gold metallurgy
Speaker 3: farther into Eastern Europe in different cultures going back thousands
Speaker 3: of years previous. So they've been misattributed. Even Samuel nah
Speaker 3: Kramer walked back a lot of his statements about that.
Speaker 3: That's not to say that the Sumerians weren't absolutely amazing
Speaker 3: and did all the things they did. It's just to say,
Speaker 3: wait a minute, what are we really looking at here?
Speaker 3: Are we looking at the beginning of a civilization or
Speaker 3: are we looking at the remembrance of civilization? And so
Speaker 3: I argue that the Onnaki, as they were understood, were
Speaker 3: the survivors of a cataclysm that came through and maybe,
Speaker 3: as Graham Hancock would have called it, civilization X. But
Speaker 3: now you get this weird question of what are all
Speaker 3: these things though they're like gods? And you know if
Speaker 3: you google Anonaki you're going to find these images of
Speaker 3: bird men. Well, firstly, it's important to know that those
Speaker 3: aren't the Ananaki, those are the app Kalu. And this
Speaker 3: is where it gets interesting, because every piece of evidence
Speaker 3: that I could find really just showed that the Annaki
Speaker 3: were much more human like. But the app Callu were
Speaker 3: explicitly thought to be semi biological entities, and they play
Speaker 3: a huge role in the belief system of not only
Speaker 3: the Anaki, whose names sort of means lord at least
Speaker 3: later developed to mean lord, the oup Collu were very different.
Speaker 3: They were said to have come out of the ocean.
Speaker 3: They were said to have come out of the sky.
Speaker 3: They were light beings, they were fish men, very much
Speaker 3: like the One's and they were associated with that. They
Speaker 3: were compared to the seven Pleiadi and star system the
Speaker 3: number seven. They were known as the seven Sages and
Speaker 3: so on. Each of the on naki had one of
Speaker 3: these sages designated to them. And so when you look
Speaker 3: at the motifs, then you start to see something different.
Speaker 3: You see on Naki which looks very human. Yes, they
Speaker 3: may have been larger in status, but you know that
Speaker 3: is what it is. But then you see these up Kallu,
Speaker 3: and they're usually the ones that are holding those those handbags.
Speaker 3: They have the pine cone and often they're doing something
Speaker 3: with that pine cone. What it looks like they're doing
Speaker 3: is something ritualistic or some to write, and they're doing it,
Speaker 3: usually to the king or the Ananaki in this case,
Speaker 3: and then you have to say, well, wait a minute,
Speaker 3: and then go through the entire text again and understand that,
Speaker 3: in addition to possibly being the survivors of a cataclysm
Speaker 3: of a breakaway civilization, as their earliest Noah's Ark story
Speaker 3: actually tells us. In the Sumerian account of their Noah's Arc,
Speaker 3: the Noah character doesn't take his family. He goes and
Speaker 3: finds each scientist and some person who represents the highest
Speaker 3: accomplishments in the arts and sciences, gathers them and quote,
Speaker 3: the animals of the Step, not all the animals of
Speaker 3: the world, the animals of the Step. So these were
Speaker 3: Step people, and what they were doing was creating a
Speaker 3: nomadic group who would be able to survive displacement. And
Speaker 3: that would be important because we see that with nomadic
Speaker 3: people what they've been able to do with those animals.
Speaker 3: They're a food source. You would unfortunately say in our minds,
Speaker 3: you would be able to bleed those animals to get
Speaker 3: the nutrition. Those animals then don't die, you can keep
Speaker 3: them going. Of course, that's where we get cheese. The
Speaker 3: invention of discovery of cheese through the rennet and the
Speaker 3: enzymes and the stomach as it's being stored, which is
Speaker 3: a huge protein source, you know. So this is an
Speaker 3: established thing of people in the Eurasian step, is that
Speaker 3: they were robust and healthy and larger in stature, and
Speaker 3: had dairy and meat and animal products, and they were nomadic.
Speaker 3: So in the story that the Sumerians account for, which
Speaker 3: is like a Noah's art predecessor, they discussed the animals
Speaker 3: of the step being taken, and all of these individuals
Speaker 3: who saw the signs in the sky were gathering up
Speaker 3: and walking away and trying to find new ground, and
Speaker 3: they settled on a mountaintop and then came down. Of course,
Speaker 3: the gods settle in mountaintops, right, So, but with them
Speaker 3: came their knowledge of science, their knowledge of culture, their
Speaker 3: knowledge of civilization, which would include religion or their spiritual beliefs.
Speaker 3: And it is my belief that that is what we
Speaker 3: see poking out of all of these Sumerian myths is
Speaker 3: the fastigial tale, if you will, of the lost Antediluvian
Speaker 3: religious or spiritual belief m.
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Speaker 2: my guests today, Heatherland discussing her new release, Anunaki Revelation,
Speaker 2: will be right back with you. My guest today is
Speaker 2: doctor Heather Lynn, who has written a new book on
Speaker 2: the Anonachi called Anonachi Revelation. This is a new look
Speaker 2: at how the Sumerian culture was inspired and likely educated
Speaker 2: by these extraterrestrial beings. That's great because that's that's the
Speaker 2: whole pre flood story, you know, before the flood and
Speaker 2: then after the flood. I love that. I want to
Speaker 2: talk about what you call the psychedelic gateway, which is
Speaker 2: this is a huge, huge jump that Hugh discovered, I think,
Speaker 2: which is an important part of your research, and that
Speaker 2: is through psychedelic travel using mushrooms, they're connecting with this
Speaker 2: higher level of consciousness and this is the transmission of information.
Speaker 2: So give us a kind of an understanding of your
Speaker 2: research and why your belief isn't it it's not so
Speaker 2: much physical contact but consciousness, consciousness or a link that is.
Speaker 2: And I'm guessing that you found some of this in
Speaker 2: cuneiform basis, and I don't know how you would read
Speaker 2: that if they were saying I was in a ceremony
Speaker 2: and this is what came through or something like that.
Speaker 2: But I'm just curious about how that was discovered because
Speaker 2: it's a huge that's a huge one, Heather. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: not like, Hey, I was dancing to the tulips and
Speaker 2: this is what came up. Oh, this is a big deal.
Speaker 3: Well, doing across cultural analysis of what they saw, what
Speaker 3: their gods were, like, how there's seemingly a golden thread
Speaker 3: for all of these different belief sets, things like serpent
Speaker 3: worship and all of the art motifs. That's one. I mean,
Speaker 3: even going back as far as quebecley Tepe, you start
Speaker 3: to see similar motifs ring out. But one thing in
Speaker 3: particular that stood out, and again having to do with
Speaker 3: this maybe ultra terrestrial hypothesis, ultra meaning they're not from
Speaker 3: space per se, they're here, they've been here at some
Speaker 3: sort of a consciousness type energy that can be accessed,
Speaker 3: and that the Onunaki were essentially magicians or shamans or
Speaker 3: the magi of that time, and they were dealing with
Speaker 3: these other forces and we could call them, I suppose, aliens.
Speaker 3: We could call them demons, we could call them angels,
Speaker 3: we don't know what to call them, really, because even
Speaker 3: in our contemporary culture, we don't have a name for them.
Speaker 3: Some people will call an alien a demon. Some people
Speaker 3: are summoning the aliens because there are brothers and they're
Speaker 3: trying to do good for us in light working. And
Speaker 3: some maybe they're angels. But at the end of the
Speaker 3: day too, even angel didn't mean that they couldn't be
Speaker 3: not good because you have fallen angels or what have you.
Speaker 3: So we're injecting a lot of like moral relativism and
Speaker 3: you know, cross cultural analysis into this. So if you
Speaker 3: break it down altogether and say we have the biological entities,
Speaker 3: and then we have ambercarnate entities, So those are entities
Speaker 3: that can be both incarnate or out of car you know,
Speaker 3: their carnal state. It's something a little more vague, something
Speaker 3: that's very similar to what people describe being in contact
Speaker 3: with when they have a DMT experience or psilocybin. And
Speaker 3: what's interesting is you have artifacts that are found all
Speaker 3: over the place, but particularly some of them in the
Speaker 3: in Berlin, I believe it is their museum has some
Speaker 3: of these mushroom tablets, and these mush.
Speaker 2: Talk about those because that blew me completely out of
Speaker 2: the water. The tablets are shaped like mushrooms.
Speaker 3: There you go, that's so wild. But yeah, because you know,
Speaker 3: we talked about the tablets. They're only so big or
Speaker 3: they're you know, and we think of them like maybe
Speaker 3: Moses holding the tablets. I mean that's wrong because those
Speaker 3: are huge, but their tablet shape right, well, not these
Speaker 3: these so called mushroom tablets were literally shaped like mushrooms,
Speaker 3: and they had cuneiformritten all around them, and they were
Speaker 3: incantations and wishes and messages to the gods. And where
Speaker 3: they were planted though, was specifically in the walls of
Speaker 3: the temple as though to be a conduit to have
Speaker 3: that message to the gods, maybe similar to the the
Speaker 3: whaling wall and whatever that is going on there. You know,
Speaker 3: you have the little papers and the prayers, and that's
Speaker 3: what we're told that's happening with that. So you have
Speaker 3: these ideas resonate still in the old world that you're
Speaker 3: putting into the temple wall, your prayer that's going to
Speaker 3: be heard. So it's a ceremonial rite. It's something very
Speaker 3: symbolic and significant. But here you have, rather than a
Speaker 3: folded up piece of paper, you have a tablet, because
Speaker 3: that was their technology. But most importantly, they didn't just
Speaker 3: have a little rectangular tablet, which would have been quite
Speaker 3: easy to kind of put in little crevices. No, this
Speaker 3: was these were all mushroom shaped and we we and
Speaker 3: knowing the work of a Legro and the sacred mushroom
Speaker 3: in the Cross, he did some of that preliminary work
Speaker 3: looking into different mushrooms that would have been consumed, and
Speaker 3: some of the different words and texts and psalms and
Speaker 3: hymns in Sumerian that correspond with what he believed was
Speaker 3: a mushroom cult that was coming out of the Levant.
Speaker 3: He later then in that book went on to discuss
Speaker 3: throwing Christianity and never really fully developed or revisited the
Speaker 3: Sumerian angle. And so I tried to follow in his
Speaker 3: footsteps a little bit and look into those texts. And
Speaker 3: that's where I came across a lot of different words
Speaker 3: for a lot of these different substances, and then coming
Speaker 3: across the mushroom tablets themselves. It's you know, there is
Speaker 3: obviously an interpretive value here. You could say, well, maybe
Speaker 3: they weren't putting those in the walls to speak to
Speaker 3: the gods, that's fair. But based on what humans are
Speaker 3: known to do now, and based on what the tablets
Speaker 3: were actually saying and where they were placed, it looked
Speaker 3: like a common practice and they saw them clearly. In
Speaker 3: my view, the mushroom itself was the communication channel that
Speaker 3: would be able to bring them closer to God in
Speaker 3: that way. So you have that, and I have pictures
Speaker 3: of that in the book. There are other sort of
Speaker 3: peg type mushroom looking tablets as well, and those are
Speaker 3: not to be confused. They are sometimes confused with the
Speaker 3: mushroom tablets, but those are a little bit different. They're
Speaker 3: a little more conical, and they have different writings on
Speaker 3: them altogether, and they were used for practical purposes and
Speaker 3: actually building these, by contrast, are actually little prayers and
Speaker 3: they're on the mushrooms.
Speaker 2: We've had a neurobiologist, Andrew Gillimore on the program who's
Speaker 2: doing DMT experiments right now, and I mentioned to you
Speaker 2: at the very beginning of his work, and what he's
Speaker 2: trying to do is bring in new machines from a
Speaker 2: higher source aliens who are communicating. It's a very short
Speaker 2: timeframe that they're having these interactions, but the problems are
Speaker 2: that the recipient of the DMT is unable to type
Speaker 2: anything or write it down because he's altered physically, and
Speaker 2: so this is the great problem. But it's looking like
Speaker 2: you really found something. This is a historic way to
Speaker 2: evolve humanity through higher realms and bring through new data
Speaker 2: like writing like how to animal husbandry, agriculture, so forth
Speaker 2: and so on. And I'm just curious, did you find
Speaker 2: any reference or any artifacts that actually have bits and
Speaker 2: pieces of mushroom crushed into a lixor or something that
Speaker 2: was used ceremonially or what was I mean, what do
Speaker 2: you show as a reference point for this type of
Speaker 2: ceremony that would lead to connecting with the gods.
Speaker 3: So there's not really evidence in that way with regard
Speaker 3: to mushroom. There is with regard to the opium and
Speaker 3: the archaeobotany of how that's actually been cultivated. It was
Speaker 3: cultivated even you know, many years before the Sumerians, in
Speaker 3: in a domestic way, before the agricultural revolution. Even so,
Speaker 3: there was something very important about the opium poppy, and
Speaker 3: it was very much revered by the Sumerians. And that
Speaker 3: is something that when you look into their motifs and
Speaker 3: you see the Onanaki or apcollu, who are whomever holding
Speaker 3: the these branches that look like maybe flowers. They've been
Speaker 3: often referred to as date palms. Sometimes they're referred to
Speaker 3: as just little flower bunches. They've also been called pomegranates.
Speaker 3: But the actual professor who understood the era, who was
Speaker 3: already in that culture, and looked at these artifacts and
Speaker 3: many of them that were included in the queen's tomb,
Speaker 3: he said they were poppies. They were the poppy flower,
Speaker 3: and then they represented the poppy pod as well. And
Speaker 3: when you look at the motif, and I have this
Speaker 3: illustrated in the book too, when you look at the
Speaker 3: motif of the poppy in its pod form where you
Speaker 3: would be cultivating the latex that would make the opium
Speaker 3: on the very top of it is the kind of
Speaker 3: a rosette. And that rosette is very very similar and
Speaker 3: in some forms identical to the rosettes that are used
Speaker 3: throughout that era's art. And so it would be surprising
Speaker 3: to us, maybe because we've been told those are just
Speaker 3: little flowers, it's just because it's pretty whatever. But in
Speaker 3: their own culture they understood know these represented the poppy
Speaker 3: and the poppy flower and the pod et cetera, and
Speaker 3: so there would be evidence to suggest that they were
Speaker 3: using that in tandem with other substances. And so the
Speaker 3: key will be getting to go through all of these
Speaker 3: medical texts and trying to find out, you know, which which,
Speaker 3: what is the what's the recipe here? And and and
Speaker 3: and because in some cases, and this is what's interesting
Speaker 3: about those, in some cases they haven't been able to
Speaker 3: fully understand which ones were being referred to. There's been
Speaker 3: names of plants that they haven't identified, and so it's
Speaker 3: just incomplete. And so over time, though, I think we're
Speaker 3: going to be able to get the answers to that,
Speaker 3: especially with regard to some of the ones used in
Speaker 3: spiritual practices.
Speaker 2: It sounds very logical, but I'm wondering if you've written
Speaker 2: any white papers that have been peer reviewed to see
Speaker 2: what they're because I have a feeling to be like,
Speaker 2: what is she talking about? But because so many other
Speaker 2: cultures are using shamanistic technique to bring in the God's information,
Speaker 2: and of course it depends on how you interpret what
Speaker 2: they use the information for.
Speaker 3: But yeah, well, I mean I think that in generally speaking,
Speaker 3: in through anthropology it's it's understood that that what we
Speaker 3: call shamanism, it is a newer, relatively new term actually
Speaker 3: that we apply to things in retrospect to this like
Speaker 3: ancient or primitive as they say, spirituality, which is using
Speaker 3: it's defined in a lot of ways. There's a shaman,
Speaker 3: and they generally go into an altered state, and that
Speaker 3: altered state they go through something that seems dimensional spiritual,
Speaker 3: and they can take others through that state. But some
Speaker 3: of the key factors are that their substances used there
Speaker 3: are what's called orgiastic behavior. So sometimes literally orgies, sometimes figuratively,
Speaker 3: just like drum circles or dancing or things that get
Speaker 3: a group involved rhythmically and then in tune sort of vibrationally.
Speaker 3: So you have that, and then the drugs, and then
Speaker 3: you have and you know, in theogen's plant medicine, drugs
Speaker 3: however you feel like calling you. You have the substances.
Speaker 3: Then you have things like practices like meditation, holotropic breathing.
Speaker 3: You have various methods to get people to these altered states.
Speaker 3: And you can see even as far far back as
Speaker 3: we can in caves, they were trepending. They're drilling holes
Speaker 3: in people's heads, and even now there's research made. A
Speaker 3: Fielding kind of started this whole thing, I think, but
Speaker 3: she and others have looked into the idea of drilling
Speaker 3: a hole in your head to release intracranial pressure and
Speaker 3: how it could be related to psychedelics and all of that.
Speaker 3: So it sounds strange that they're be a relationship, but
Speaker 3: there is, and there's been a long standing relationship that way.
Speaker 3: So you have this group of methods that we can
Speaker 3: generically call shamanism, and we see those methods though, being
Speaker 3: all over all over shared cultures. And you know, people
Speaker 3: when they go into those altered states, they see similar things,
Speaker 3: they see similar entities, they see the rainbow serpent, they
Speaker 3: see little elves or trickster beings or what have you.
Speaker 3: And often the account has a very interesting theme, which
Speaker 3: is that they are given some form of knowledge, usually
Speaker 3: technological advancement. Yeah, so it's like, come see, now, when
Speaker 3: you compare those things to what the psychonauts now say
Speaker 3: that they see when they're under whether it's DMT or otherwise,
Speaker 3: they'll have similar explanations. And so of course we could
Speaker 3: say that, well, that's just an epiphenomena of the brain,
Speaker 3: and it's just, you know, going to be informed by
Speaker 3: that person's culture. Two things though, that stand out to
Speaker 3: me about that and why I started looking in this
Speaker 3: direction to begin with, because in full disclosure, I'm a teetotler.
Speaker 3: I drink tepid water and decalf like I.
Speaker 2: You're supposed to say, Cliff, I drop LSD every other
Speaker 2: day and I go on I watch the Journeys once
Speaker 2: a month.
Speaker 3: I don't. And and so some people may just say, well,
Speaker 3: you don't know you're talking about until you've done it.
Speaker 3: I've had that said. I always say I have too
Speaker 3: much anxiety for that.
Speaker 2: I'll do.
Speaker 3: I'll do d MT, but I need someone there who's
Speaker 3: a professional. I need like EKG going. I would need
Speaker 3: a whole like medical lab before I do it. But
Speaker 3: I'm open to it. I know, I'm totally open. But
Speaker 3: but because of that, I've been very interested in hearing
Speaker 3: the accounts of others. And the thing that stands out
Speaker 3: to me is Strausman's work. We're having multiple people go
Speaker 3: under somehow at the same time and emerge having seen
Speaker 3: the exact same thing, having a shared experience. That's interesting
Speaker 3: to me, and so it makes me I wonder about
Speaker 3: the locality of consciousness if it's perhaps non local and
Speaker 3: we're tapping into something different. And so of course that
Speaker 3: put my research in a whole woo woo area, but
Speaker 3: it was kind of necessary because I just was like,
Speaker 3: this is wild and then relating it to the Onanaki.
Speaker 3: And then of course I do a lot of work
Speaker 3: and understanding Western so terrorism and in cult and practices
Speaker 3: like that. And contrary to what people think, I'm not
Speaker 3: a witch. I don't practice. This is all just research.
Speaker 3: And some people will say, well, how is it that
Speaker 3: you've researched the occult and on a Naki. This doesn't
Speaker 3: seem to have a through line, but it does because
Speaker 3: it has to do with consciousness, people having these altered
Speaker 3: states and trying to whether it be have a religious
Speaker 3: type experience or sometimes weaponize those experiences or that knowledge
Speaker 3: against people in different ways. And so just kind of
Speaker 3: an understanding of it from a phenomenological point of view,
Speaker 3: and you start to see that you really can't just
Speaker 3: start doing a full scientific materialism on that when there
Speaker 3: are so many strange and unseen forces that you got
Speaker 3: to kind of consider all the things that we haven't
Speaker 3: been able to measure yet, but I think we're on
Speaker 3: our way, and I think there's a lot of pioneers
Speaker 3: in that realm that are doing some great work.
Speaker 2: If you're an Ananachi person, Heather's work is a must.
Speaker 2: You guys listening, you got to get this book Ananochy Revelation,
Speaker 2: Hidden History, Altered States, and the Mystery of Humanity. We
Speaker 2: didn't even get halfway through this thing, and there's so
Speaker 2: much good material. I would love to talk about the handbags,
Speaker 2: but you've got to have to read it. You're gonna
Speaker 2: have to read about the handbags. Heather. Talk about your
Speaker 2: podcast and how people can learn more about you.
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I want to say thank you
Speaker 3: so much again for having me on and thank you
Speaker 3: for your kind words. It's really sweet.
Speaker 2: But you're a blast girl. You're a find to hang with,
Speaker 2: so I'm always gonna.
Speaker 3: Have Likewise Likewise, well, my podcast it's called The Midnight Academy,
Speaker 3: and I try to have some interesting guests on some
Speaker 3: of the people I've talked about, whether they be psychonauts
Speaker 3: or you know, fellow people from maybe Ancient Aliens, the
Speaker 3: television show, or anybody really that has some interesting thoughts.
Speaker 3: I had Marcelf fhoteon I've had tonight, I'm going to
Speaker 3: be talking to Bernie Taylor. That's gonna be fun. So
Speaker 3: I do everything from just uh you know, archaeology, strange.
Speaker 2: Youok, YouTube channel. Let people know that's YouTube. What's the
Speaker 2: name it is Midnight.
Speaker 3: Academy, the Midnight Academy.
Speaker 2: That's where you punch and you get to the page.
Speaker 3: Yep, So the Midnight Academy. It's video, but it's also
Speaker 3: a podcast. And then we also go live on Saturday nights.
Speaker 3: I've been doing that more frequently and that's a good time.
Speaker 3: So fun stuff there. But yeah, that's what I'm working
Speaker 3: on now. And uh yeah, I have the new book out.
Speaker 3: So but anywhere you can find me, the best place
Speaker 3: is the website. That's www dot doctor heatherland dot com.
Speaker 2: And I'll be oh yeah, right, yeah, shoot articles on
Speaker 2: there too. You you actually post your work there, which
Speaker 2: is good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that if you want to find me, just
Speaker 3: go there and you'll you'll see everything that I'm doing.
Speaker 3: And uh yeah, but very happy for the podcast. It's
Speaker 3: been a lot of fun because uh it's it's an
Speaker 3: extension of my research. It's a little it's a little
Speaker 3: selfish because I'm not just like trying to have people
Speaker 3: for the show. It's I look out for who do
Speaker 3: I need to talk to about this for my research?
Speaker 3: And then I find them and then I get them
Speaker 3: on the show, and then I'm just like, Okay, it's on.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: So I've been learning by the show and I'm thinking, God,
Speaker 2: where are all the books that should be coming out
Speaker 2: of that? Like I had to back up scratch, Hey,
Speaker 2: well you should be wearing the big Ananaki necklace of
Speaker 2: esteem because you're really you're really picking it up. I
Speaker 2: don't see it coming from Mike Tellinger out in South Africa,
Speaker 2: although his material is good. This this new look. And again,
Speaker 2: those of you listening, you got to get this book
Speaker 2: because I just scratched the service. She's got so much
Speaker 2: cool stuff in her book. But this new look of
Speaker 2: bringing through information has been a theme for new research
Speaker 2: and recent research and is is And I know you're
Speaker 2: hit for time how to bring through complex technology? And
Speaker 2: I mentioned ahead of time, but when you're altered your
Speaker 2: your physicality is not necessarily functioning with your brain because
Speaker 2: your brain's experiencing this interaction. How the hell do you
Speaker 2: bring through machines? You know, as what did Terrence would
Speaker 2: cand of call him he had he would deal with
Speaker 2: the machine ls, you.
Speaker 3: Know, yeah, So that that's uh, that's it really, I
Speaker 3: mean that that's really the crux of it. I think
Speaker 3: that these self replicating machine ls, or the clockwork elves
Speaker 3: or all of these, this is a phenomenon that that
Speaker 3: I think the ancients knew very well, and I think
Speaker 3: that's what separated the so called regular people from the
Speaker 3: on rnaki, the ones that were able to harness this.
Speaker 3: And so if somebody says, well, how did they build this?
Speaker 3: How do they have this technology, it's like, well, even
Speaker 3: Nikola Tesla claimed that his inspiration came from other sources
Speaker 3: that way. And even the word to be inspired comes
Speaker 3: from in spirari in Latin, meaning when a god or
Speaker 3: an unseen supernatural force would just blow an idea into you.
Speaker 3: So it's an understanding that, you know, we don't know
Speaker 3: where these ideas come from, but sometimes in some ways
Speaker 3: people can get these wild ideas and then transform themselves
Speaker 3: into what we call civilization.
Speaker 2: Fantastic, Heather continues, success and thank you for joining me.
Speaker 2: I really really appreciate it anytime.
Speaker 3: Thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 2: I didn't mention that Heather has I think she had
Speaker 2: somebody narrate the book. I don't think it's her, but
Speaker 2: you can get it on audible if you don't have
Speaker 2: time to read, you know, and every week we have
Speaker 2: a new author, so you got to keep up with
Speaker 2: your reading. I'm not one to keep up with my reading,
Speaker 2: so I'm the worst at this. But Audible has narrated books.
Speaker 2: And what better time to cut to the chase when
Speaker 2: you're driving in commute traffic, you're taking a long weekend
Speaker 2: and driving into the country or visiting somebody, and you've
Speaker 2: got an hour to spare. Get on Audible and download
Speaker 2: these books. They are well worth your time. This is
Speaker 2: a very very good book to have if you're into
Speaker 2: the ancient alien side of things, you know how you
Speaker 2: feel about it. But this is, you know, a validation
Speaker 2: for et contact through psychedelics, you know, mushrooms. And we've
Speaker 2: had Graham Hancock on here, We've had We've had the
Speaker 2: A Listers, We've had Straussman, Andrew Gillimore, many many more
Speaker 2: people on the topic of psychedelics in communication with the
Speaker 2: different realities. I don't know if Andrew's going to pull
Speaker 2: it off though, because when you're on DMT and we've
Speaker 2: had Andrew on a couple of times, doctor Gillimore, when
Speaker 2: you're altered and you're you know, communicating with some form
Speaker 2: of consciousness and they give you some data, how do
Speaker 2: you bring it back? The only way to bring it
Speaker 2: back would be to be able to type it on
Speaker 2: a keyboard or you know, draw it out or something
Speaker 2: like that. It's it's it's impossible. This is a question
Speaker 2: for AI. There might be way to do it where
Speaker 2: you narrate what you're seeing. But still, if you have
Speaker 2: an equation, I guess you could do it equation. I
Speaker 2: don't know. It's we have we have, you know, to
Speaker 2: figure this out in the same manner that our ancestors
Speaker 2: figured it out, you know, because they were getting data
Speaker 2: from higher realms and bringing it through. We've had other
Speaker 2: people talk about it, in fact, in fact, Graham Hancock
Speaker 2: talks about it quite a bit in his world. So anyhow,
Speaker 2: Heather is always a pleasure to have on the program.
Speaker 2: And I want to mention this that I brought this
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Speaker 2: I think it's going to have a Marie machine consciousness,
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Speaker 2: All right, that's it for the today's program. I want
Speaker 2: to thank my guest today, Heather Lin, coming to us
Speaker 2: from Ohio. As always, the team of Geltour, Mark Foster
Speaker 2: and Feya Pavar. You guys rock all right, take care
Speaker 2: of every well and we will talk to you next time.