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your support. At the end of the last hour, I
talked a little bit about some of the litigation going
on over Trump's executive orders. There is a piece at
The Daily Signal by Fred Lucas, who is the chief
news correspondent and manager of the investigative reporting project for
the Daily Signal. He is the author of the Myth
of Voter Suppression, the Left's assault on clean elections again.
His name is Fred Lucas, and he says law fair
has not stopped since Donald Trump became president again, but
has been repackaged into civil litigation to stop his second
term agenda. And most of the civil lawfare can be
traced two groups affiliated with a coalition known as Civil
Service Strong. Civil Service Strong or CSS members of the
coalition scored federal court wins in recent days to temporarily
block Trump's executive order on birthright citizenship, to delay a
federal employee buyout, and to halt the shuttering of the
USAID Civil Service. Strong. You may want to sit down
for this. It is a project of Democracy Forward. So
they've combined their two you know, there are two call
slogans there into one Democracy Forward. This is what do
you know who's involved? Again? Are you sitting down for this?
Do you know who's involved? Who's leading this? For Mark
Elias exactly the super lawyer for the Democrats, also the
middleman for the Steele dossier, right, part of the Hillary
Clinton DNC operation to smear Donald Trump with the fake
intelligence report from Christopher Steele. Elias has been known primarily
for election related litigation, right because he's also sued North
Carolina probably like a dozen times over redistricting. He works
as the hatchetman's hatchetman, Eric Holder, Obama's hatchetman, and Holder
set up that redistricting political action group and so Elias
sues with them for them. And he has been known
primarily for the election related litigation and for his role
in initiating the discredited Russia collusion investigation during President Donald
trump first term. Democracy Forward posted on x formerly Twitter,
boasting of filing nine lawsuits against the Trump administration and
winning four court orders. Well, because that's how you get
the money, obviously, right. This is this is Mark Elias's
brand and his mo. It's to file litigation in front
of activist judges that agree with him and they then
can claim a victory. Look at us. We got this
thing done now, by the way, as far as a
strategy on all of this stuff goes, right now, Democrats
are burning a lot of time and political capital and cash,
you know, funding these lawsuits and litigation, trying to mobilize
against these executive orders. But there is a thing coming
and it's coming very soon. And it was it was
the thing that got put off before the election, and
it was the spending. Right remember this fight. Oh my gosh,
we're the government's gonna shut down. We're going to run
out of spending. And then Mike Johnson, the Speaker of
the House, did the kram the bus and then got
smacked around and then came back with a stripped down
version and they pushed that thing through. But it wasn't
a long term fix because you know, God forbid, we
go back to regular order where you have the twelve
appropriations bills that actually get marked up in the committees
and debated and then go through that process through the
regular order where then be voted on by the House
and then over to the Senate. They hammer out differences
in a conference committee and then they end up with
a final budget. Right, they don't do that anymore. They
haven't done that in I don't even know how long
it's been, like, it's been more than a decade. It's
just nuts. So they keep they keep governing by continuing
resolution and omnibus bills, which are basically massive bills with
all sorts of different funding priorities and programs and everything
else just like crammed into this one bill. And then
they're like, you got to vote on it by tomorrow.
I know it's seven thousand pages, but you gotta vote
by tomorrow or the government shuts down, right, and they
put these deadlines on the lawmakers and then don't let
them actually go through these things. So it's a terrible
way of governing, terrible way of budgeting, and both parties
have been doing it. But the last time it got
done before the election, they kicked the can down the road,
as you always do with these continuing resolutions, and they're
going to now be taking up you know, another cr. Well,
you can actually do what the Democrats did when they
passed a lot of these spending bills. And what they did,
because they did not have large enough majorities to do so,
was they did reconciliation, which is a it's a move
in the in the Congress where if it's like a
budget related bill, you can do a reconciliation process and
that then allows you to just get a simple majority
of the Senate vote. So fifty one votes, well fifty
because jd. Vance would cast the deciding vote, but Republicans
have a fifty three vote majority. So you could do
what Trump wants done in his executive orders. You can
take all of those eos, put them into the omnibus,
put them into a bill, into the continuing resolution whatever,
and ram it through as part of a reconciliation process.
And so all this litigation doesn't even matter. It takes
it out of the courts because now Congress did it.
I'm not sure they're aware of that, right. Let me
go over to the phones here and talk with Don. Hello, Don,
welcome to the show. How you doing, Hey, I'm good.
Speaker 2: I haven't I've been out of UH. I've been working
and I haven't heard of Trump has uh put forth
the information that his buddy must add about all the
corruption and all the money and the people will kickbacks
and all that stuff. Let me just ask this. The
first thing is Elon must has made absolute billions of
dollars by getting credits to his Teesla company for not
producing gases emissions here too, stuff like that, and he
sells those to the companies who actually have some production
of fossil fuel engines and makes millions out of it.
Why is a firm that does not end the process
of producing gas powered machines get credits to begin with?
That's the first question I got it.
Speaker 1: I don't know the detail. I don't know the details
of what you're describing. I'm not I've not followed Elon
Musk's various business enterprises and how they all work. But
it sounds like what you're describing is the carbon credits,
where you know, if you are a green company, then
you get a certain amount of credits and then you
can sell them on this like carbon credit marketplace to
entities that that emit more carbon emissions.
Speaker 2: But it makes no sense. That's like giving not drinking
bonuses to people in the Baptist Church. I mean that's
where they that's where they're not going to drink anyway.
So why I give them something not to do something
they're not going to do anyway. That's the first thing.
The second thing is I think Trump has been running
for office now for you know, for years and years
until he put a tariff on South Africa. Have you
ever heard him speak the word South Africa? Uh?
Speaker 1: Not that I can recall of off hand.
Speaker 2: That's the first thing.
Speaker 1: The second that's the second thing. So wait, wait, what
is what is the supposed importance of that?
Speaker 2: Well, the points of that is that Trump is just
weaning as it goes. He's what you talk a.
Speaker 1: Don your phone? Don your phone signal has completely gone
to garbage. I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 2: Can you hear me now?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Hang on, Don, I'm gonna put John hold. I
got to take a break. I gotta take a break.
I'm trying to process what the point of the South
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talking with Don. We'll see if he's still there. Hello,
don are you still there?
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm still here.
Speaker 1: Okay. So you had asked something about South Africa, and
so I did during the break, I went and looked
up and apparently you're referring to comments that Donald Trump
made about funding that's going US, funding that is going
to South Africa that he said he would suspend because
of what he calls a human rights violation, which is
based on a new law that was passed that allows
the government to expropriate land, to take land from people,
and the South African government says, oh, Trump doesn't understand
what this law does. And so because Elon Musk is
from South Africa originally, he's an American citizen now, but
he has made claims that the government has been seizing
white farmers lands, and so I guess is that what
you're referencing.
Speaker 2: Well, yes, the point I'm making here is that he's
doing things now in government. I don't think the American
people realized that he was going to do. It's one
thing to say that certain agencies are doing it wrongly,
but they have a general purpose that be good for America.
If you just come in and fire everybody, which is
what Trump, which with Musk, has done and every place
he's ever.
Speaker 1: Must can't fire anybody. Musk hasn't fired anybody. Musk has
no power to fire anybody.
Speaker 2: Well he lays them off, then he doesn't know.
Speaker 1: He's not laying anybody. Nobody, He's not elon. Musk has
no power to do that. He hasn't done that.
Speaker 2: Well he does if he tells Trump to do it,
and they've Okay, people are looking for jobs out of
the usaid.
Speaker 1: How many people are The point is?
Speaker 2: The point is when Trump took over what was formerly
whatever it was with X, he fired everybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he fired eighty percent, fired.
Speaker 2: Without regard to whether they were good employees or did
what they.
Speaker 1: Were You don't know that he just fired. No, you
don't know that.
Speaker 2: How do you know? I bet he can't name anybody
that he fired.
Speaker 1: Most, most, most presidents of companies that large can't. Do
you think the people that own that own corporate radio
stations do you think they know? Do you think that
the people at the top of my radio company know
my name? No, they don't know my name like nobody does.
I bet they don't. I can guarantee you they don't.
Speaker 2: Okay, there's no What I'm saying is nothing that I've
seen so far the kinds of people that Trump has
appointed to run these agencies. Do you really believe that
all these people are confident to run their agencies? And
don't tell me Congress is approve because the Republicans would
have approve of you, or if.
Speaker 1: He was in comparison, in comparison to what and to
whom see because you can't just.
Speaker 2: Look at look at that, look at our secretary of Defense.
Speaker 1: Okay, well you're all over down, You're all over the place.
So this call is becoming very a very little value
because you're all over the place because you throw out
don Now hang on a second, don What you're doing
is you're throwing out little chunks of information and accusations
about various people and agencies, and then you're not allowing
any kind of an actual discourse to occur on that
particular accusation. So as I'm trying to address that, now
you want to shift over to DoD. I have spent
to almost two weeks doing deep dives on the USAID expenditures.
I'm perfectly comfortable talking to you about what's going on there.
I've outlined this very clearly. It's very clear what's been
going on at USAID. What may have started off with
good intentions and what may also include good programs that
are being funded in USAID has been corrupted. It is
no longer serving solely that role. It is now doing
a lot of other things. That's the problem.
Speaker 2: Well, I think agree with you. Well they all do
what the problems. But what I'm saying is I don't
have any say that Elon Musk is going to do
anything it doesn't benefit him.
Speaker 1: That's fine. So who are who are these angels among
us that do all of these things that just benefit
somebody other than themselves. Who are these people?
Speaker 2: You're in the public when you're in the government at
public trust, nobody's elected him, his popularity're.
Speaker 1: Rating, nobody's elected. The bureaucrats that nobody's elected, the bureaucrats
that have been running these agencies for decades eve Congress.
Speaker 2: Congress has approved them.
Speaker 1: That doesn't but they those people have not. The president
hired him, right, So that doesn't matter. Being unelected doesn't
automatically make somebody deficient, because if that's the case, then
every single person that works for the government is deficient.
Speaker 2: He doesn't answer to anybody.
Speaker 1: He answers to the president electorate. He answers to the president.
Speaker 2: The president does what he says, I guarantee you.
Speaker 1: So, wait, who's pulling the shots? Is it? Is it
Trump or Musk?
Speaker 2: Much so?
Speaker 1: So Donald Trump is answering to Elon Musk.
Speaker 2: Well, he gave him a quarter of a billion dollars
to get elected.
Speaker 1: What do you think he doesn't need him anymore? Trump
is he's he doesn't need anymore. So he got the money.
So why why why bother paying him off? Now? Right?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 4: Why?
Speaker 1: So you think Donald Trump's ego would allow him to
be to be subservient to Elon Musk? You think Trump's
ego would allow that?
Speaker 2: Well, see Trump always said he was the smartest and
the richest man there he's not when he deals with Musk.
Speaker 1: So, I mean so he so so Trump now knows
that he's not the smartest and the richest. So he's
deferring to Elon Musk.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he has just like he. I don't know why
he defers to he just Oh.
Speaker 1: Don, Don, you're not living done, Don, You're you're making
up stuff. I don't know if you're aware of this.
Oh yeah, oh no, you absolutely are. Don You have it.
Don You have somehow or another gotten it into your
head that you also know how and what other people
are thinking at all times. That is not saying no, Don,
I have as well. Don, I have as well. I
have as well. And what you're outlining is what you're
outlining is the way. All right, Don, we're done. We're
done because I'm way late for news, but I appreciate
the call, Don, But like what you have constructed, these tales,
these fables in your mind, right, they're not true in
all cases. Now. You can have theories and hypotheses and stuff,
but you speak as if you know something is true,
and you do not. You do not know that to
be true. And your logic is also completely irrepairably faulty.
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and talk to Lloyd. Hello, Lloyd, Hey there, how are you?
Speaker 2: Hey?
Speaker 1: I'm good? What's going on?
Speaker 4: I wanted to share your frustration with that last caller
and tell you that, I mean, it points out dramatically
again the opportunity that we have in this country to
start teaching debate again.
Speaker 3: We need to, I mean, people need.
Speaker 4: To understand that facts still matter. Opinions are wonderful, but
facts still matter. And so many conversations that I get
involved in are like these with this gentleman you were
speaking to, where it's just this hyperbole in these broad
statements that really have no there's no gravity to them.
They're simply being stated in a way that they look
to be facts, but there's no facts involved.
Speaker 1: Right. I became aware of this when I was up
in Asheville. We had a sister station that was a
progressive talk station, which, by the way, made no money.
We actually supported them, so like the money we made
actually kept them on the air, which is very much
on brand for a progress of outfit. But anyway, so
I would hear in certain debates with the host, the
afternoon host over there, and he would do what Don did.
And I think it was because he was actually like
a He was a playwright. He wrote plays as his
main job, and then he just did this, you know, this,
this show for giggles or whatever. But that that was
the way he constructed his show and his line of
thinking on things, which was to fill in gaps of
unknowns with his biases with what he thinks is actually happening.
Behind the scenes, and he's like pretending that he knows
the thoughts of these strangers to him, which is a
bizarre thing, and I don't understand why people do that.
It's like this projection. I guess, I don't know, but
it doesn't comport with what they've been saying about Donald
Trump and what we know about Donald Trump. Do you
think like he's answering, do you think Donald Trump would
act in a subservient way to anybody, let alone Elon Musk. No,
like that's a they recognize it as a partnership, it
seems like, but Trump is still in charge.
Speaker 4: I agree. And the point though, is that regardless of
what your position, you still should be able to state
it in a factual matter where you can actually have
a conversation so that maybe your opinion might be changed,
and that would be okay. But we no longer hold
debate in any high regard, and we need to be
teaching it, and I'm talking about at the elementary level,
straight through school, where people are understanding that you need
to be able to have a rational decision with logic
and facts involved, rather than these broad, all encompassing statements
that are based on literally nothing and there's no even
truth in them. You know.
Speaker 3: The beautiful thing.
Speaker 4: About truth is the truth will stand and it ultimately
does not need your permission, right, and.
Speaker 1: You can make your Yeah, you can make your argument, like,
if you want to assert a premise, then okay, what's
the evidence to support the premise, and then we can
we can weigh that against any you know, counter evidence
and try to come to a conclusion about what we
believe may be true. But this, but the the tactic
that I identified with Don is you know, this this scattershot
approach of bouncing between different assertions in order to never
get to a substantive discussion about the assertion. And that's
what I get frustrated on if you and also he
never talked about the thing that he actually told my
call screen er he wanted to talk about. He went
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Got a message from Russ who says the dawn like
arguments take broad assumptions like the wealthy, especially Trump and Elon.
The wealthy are bad and have selfish motives. Whenever pushed
for facts and examples, they fill in the gaps with
their own personal fantasy opinions. Yeah, they inject their bust
into the argument that they're trying to craft. So like
this argument that you know Elon Musk is doing this
for himself, Okay, is that a net positive or net negative?
Because if he's doing it for himself, but he finds
a trillion dollars in savings to me and America tax
the American taxpayers, and that helps to reduce the deficit.
Would that be a net benefit to all of us
as well? And also always think in terms of in
comparison to what because are there are there other billionaires
that are out there that are not doing things in
their own interest? Right? This is the entire premise of
you know, a free market, that people do things in
their own self interest because that is our human nature.
And when you try to go against human nature a
lah Marxism, you end up having to kill a whole
bunch of people, which is, by the way, in the
interest of the ruling elite that do all the murdering
under Marxism, because that's in their interest. See, you cannot,
you cannot get around human nature. All right, So let's
see what Tony has to say about all of this. Hello, Tony,
welcome to the show.
Speaker 3: Hey, what's going on?
Speaker 2: Pete?
Speaker 1: Oh you said you tell me?
Speaker 3: Yeah, poor Lloyd, Lloyd, the college that you just had.
Lloyd wants rationality, rational man. You know, to me, when
you voted for a felling, who'd ever thought America would
voted falling into office. That's not rational. Rationality in America
is done. That's over with. And and Donald Trump, if
you've seen a news conference with him and that other dude,
that Eli Musk with his child in there with him,
the way that was man Elon just kind.
Speaker 4: Of took over.
Speaker 3: It just kind of like Donald Trump just shut his mouth,
you know. When Elon started talking about some he was like,
excuse me, and the reporter went right to him. That's
on YouTube. You can look at it. I have.
Speaker 1: I've watched it twice. As a matter of fact, have
you watched the entire thing?
Speaker 3: But Donald Trump?
Speaker 1: Have you, Tony, Tony? Have you watched the entire.
Speaker 3: Thing as far as the news conference?
Speaker 1: Yeah? No, So you didn't watch the entire thing. So
you're basing so you're basing your opinion on right, all right,
So you're basing your opinion on having seen a clip
or a portion of a roughly thirty to forty minute
press availability.
Speaker 3: No, I didn't. I didn't base that on that at all.
I'm just giving an example of Donald Trump bowing down
to Elon Musk.
Speaker 1: Donald Trump was sitting at the resolute desk. He opened
up the news conference. He tossed it over to Elon Musk.
Elon Musk made a statement and then said, anybody have
any questions, And people then asked Elon Musk questions about
the work that he was doing, which he would know
first hand. So Donald Trump obviously defers to Musk on that.
But then Donald Trump would come in and he would
add his comments to what Elon would say, and then
they would both go back and forth. There wasn't any
kind of bowing down. You're like that, dude, You're projecting
something into this, into that.
Speaker 3: Listen, listen, Pepe, listen. I know you don't want to
I know you don't want to believe that.
Speaker 1: I get it, man, you don't want to see there
again you're doing Tony, You're doing You're doing the exact
same thing again. Now with me. You're projecting knowledge of
my thoughts and you have no freaking idea what I'm
thinking and why I think the way I think. If
you want to know, I can.
Speaker 3: Tell you, Okay, can I tell you? Can tell you.
Speaker 1: You cannot tell me anything that I'm thinking. No, stop
doing that. Stop projecting other people's brain waves.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do. This is not something that's that's that's
that's that's incredible.
Speaker 4: Pepe.
Speaker 3: Let me just school you on something again.
Speaker 1: How do you know that I don't know the thing
you're about to say. You're doing it again, Tony. Are
you able to have a discussion without projecting some some
into somebody else's head. Why don't you start from upset? Well,
I'm not. You're once again, Tony does it again. You
literally cannot form an argument unless you're projecting some thought
process into your opponent.
Speaker 3: You keep interrupting me because.
Speaker 1: You're full of crap, Tony, Tony, because you're full of
crap and you're you're making up stuff and you're using
it to straw man. And I'm not going to let
you do it. I'm not. I'm not on riddle and Tony,
there again, there's another one. Once again, you're projecting onto
me something that you don't know to be true.
Speaker 3: I'm only going by your action fee.
Speaker 1: You're not, Tony, You're not. You're a liar as well. Tony.
You are now lying, you are now lying.
Speaker 3: You're out of control.
Speaker 1: I am completely within my control.
Speaker 3: Listen, listen, calm down for you.
Speaker 1: Calm down, Tony. You seem very upset. You should take
some riddle.
Speaker 3: In listen just kind of hilarious to me.
Speaker 1: But I agree you are not for the reason you think.
Speaker 3: Okay, let me just tell you. Let me just tell
you why. I say, Man, he's bowling down to Elil Musk.
Speaker 1: I mean that's not telling me. You're asking me. No, no,
start stated as a statement. Don't ask me what? Don't
ask me? Why don't ask me a question? You said
you were going to tell me? Why tell me? Why
don't ask me something? Tell me that.
Speaker 3: Press conference was a third world press conference. It would
have no dignity, had.
Speaker 1: Nothing to do with You didn't even see it.
Speaker 3: All about it? No, No, what I seen was enough.
Speaker 1: I don't have this, and you know that because you
didn't see it.
Speaker 3: Listen, I already know you. We have a liar in
the White House. What am I gonna sit there and
listen to a liar for.
Speaker 1: In comp in comparison to who.
Speaker 3: In comparison to what we have? Now, what do you mean?
Speaker 1: So Donald Trump is a liar? Fine? So fine, I
seed that point in comparison in comparison now to who,
can you name another president that has not lied?
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, no, no, I didn't say they didn't lie.
I said, he's a liar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So what's the difference between say, Joe Biden lying,
Is he a liar?
Speaker 3: Biden? Joe Biden is not in office.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but when he was in office, was he a liar?
Speaker 3: Obama is not?
Speaker 1: I said Joe Biden. I didn't say Obama. I asked whether,
I asked whether, I asked whether I know you don't see? Now, See,
this is the problem when you make assertions rather than
pose your arguments in the form of a question in
order to try to dodge any kind of responsibility for
saying stupid stuff. But Tony, Joe Biden was a liar
to Barack Obama, was a liar to everybody that has
occupied that office. I am sure at some point lied. See.
So you trying to make an argument that all these
things are true because Donald Trump's a liar. Well, if
that's the if that's the consistent standard, then the same
standard would be applied to all other presidents. And I
can name several Biden lies. Hell, Obama won the Lie
of the Year from the Washington Post. All right, that'll
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