1 00:00:04,879 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: What's going on. Thank you so much for listening to 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,640 this podcast. It is heard live every day from noon 3 00:00:09,679 --> 00:00:12,480 to three on WBT Radio in Charlotte. And if you 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,719 want exclusive content like invitations to events, the weekly live stream, 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,239 my daily Show prep with all the links, become a patron, 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,600 go to dpeakclendershow dot com. Make sure you hit the 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,160 subscribe button. Get every episode for free right to your 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,719 smartphone or tablet, And again, thank you so much for 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,679 your support. At the end of the last hour, I 10 00:00:30,679 --> 00:00:33,840 talked a little bit about some of the litigation going 11 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:37,600 on over Trump's executive orders. There is a piece at 12 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:41,240 The Daily Signal by Fred Lucas, who is the chief 13 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:45,439 news correspondent and manager of the investigative reporting project for 14 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,960 the Daily Signal. He is the author of the Myth 15 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:53,159 of Voter Suppression, the Left's assault on clean elections again. 16 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,280 His name is Fred Lucas, and he says law fair 17 00:00:56,439 --> 00:01:00,280 has not stopped since Donald Trump became president again, but 18 00:01:00,359 --> 00:01:04,239 has been repackaged into civil litigation to stop his second 19 00:01:04,359 --> 00:01:08,439 term agenda. And most of the civil lawfare can be 20 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:13,439 traced two groups affiliated with a coalition known as Civil 21 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:19,920 Service Strong. Civil Service Strong or CSS members of the 22 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:24,719 coalition scored federal court wins in recent days to temporarily 23 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:28,400 block Trump's executive order on birthright citizenship, to delay a 24 00:01:28,439 --> 00:01:31,560 federal employee buyout, and to halt the shuttering of the 25 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:36,680 USAID Civil Service. Strong. You may want to sit down 26 00:01:36,719 --> 00:01:45,480 for this. It is a project of Democracy Forward. So 27 00:01:45,519 --> 00:01:49,400 they've combined their two you know, there are two call 28 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:55,239 slogans there into one Democracy Forward. This is what do 29 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:57,239 you know who's involved? Again? Are you sitting down for this? 30 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:02,079 Do you know who's involved? Who's leading this? For Mark 31 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:08,599 Elias exactly the super lawyer for the Democrats, also the 32 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:14,439 middleman for the Steele dossier, right, part of the Hillary 33 00:02:14,439 --> 00:02:18,599 Clinton DNC operation to smear Donald Trump with the fake 34 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:24,879 intelligence report from Christopher Steele. Elias has been known primarily 35 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:28,840 for election related litigation, right because he's also sued North 36 00:02:28,879 --> 00:02:33,719 Carolina probably like a dozen times over redistricting. He works 37 00:02:33,719 --> 00:02:40,599 as the hatchetman's hatchetman, Eric Holder, Obama's hatchetman, and Holder 38 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:46,800 set up that redistricting political action group and so Elias 39 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:52,439 sues with them for them. And he has been known 40 00:02:52,479 --> 00:02:55,599 primarily for the election related litigation and for his role 41 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:59,719 in initiating the discredited Russia collusion investigation during President Donald 42 00:02:59,719 --> 00:03:05,120 trump first term. Democracy Forward posted on x formerly Twitter, 43 00:03:06,439 --> 00:03:10,360 boasting of filing nine lawsuits against the Trump administration and 44 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,280 winning four court orders. Well, because that's how you get 45 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:18,800 the money, obviously, right. This is this is Mark Elias's 46 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:23,840 brand and his mo. It's to file litigation in front 47 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:29,000 of activist judges that agree with him and they then 48 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,039 can claim a victory. Look at us. We got this 49 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:32,719 thing done now, by the way, as far as a 50 00:03:32,759 --> 00:03:36,560 strategy on all of this stuff goes, right now, Democrats 51 00:03:36,599 --> 00:03:41,560 are burning a lot of time and political capital and cash, 52 00:03:41,599 --> 00:03:45,319 you know, funding these lawsuits and litigation, trying to mobilize 53 00:03:45,319 --> 00:03:48,840 against these executive orders. But there is a thing coming 54 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,400 and it's coming very soon. And it was it was 55 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,800 the thing that got put off before the election, and 56 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:59,719 it was the spending. Right remember this fight. Oh my gosh, 57 00:03:59,719 --> 00:04:01,759 we're the government's gonna shut down. We're going to run 58 00:04:01,759 --> 00:04:04,560 out of spending. And then Mike Johnson, the Speaker of 59 00:04:04,599 --> 00:04:06,960 the House, did the kram the bus and then got 60 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,240 smacked around and then came back with a stripped down 61 00:04:10,319 --> 00:04:13,080 version and they pushed that thing through. But it wasn't 62 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:17,000 a long term fix because you know, God forbid, we 63 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:19,879 go back to regular order where you have the twelve 64 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,079 appropriations bills that actually get marked up in the committees 65 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:26,199 and debated and then go through that process through the 66 00:04:27,519 --> 00:04:30,199 regular order where then be voted on by the House 67 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,240 and then over to the Senate. They hammer out differences 68 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:35,199 in a conference committee and then they end up with 69 00:04:35,759 --> 00:04:38,240 a final budget. Right, they don't do that anymore. They 70 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:40,720 haven't done that in I don't even know how long 71 00:04:40,759 --> 00:04:45,360 it's been, like, it's been more than a decade. It's 72 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:50,319 just nuts. So they keep they keep governing by continuing 73 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:57,000 resolution and omnibus bills, which are basically massive bills with 74 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:01,920 all sorts of different funding priorities and programs and everything 75 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,319 else just like crammed into this one bill. And then 76 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:06,240 they're like, you got to vote on it by tomorrow. 77 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:08,360 I know it's seven thousand pages, but you gotta vote 78 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:10,600 by tomorrow or the government shuts down, right, and they 79 00:05:11,079 --> 00:05:14,279 put these deadlines on the lawmakers and then don't let 80 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:17,800 them actually go through these things. So it's a terrible 81 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:22,279 way of governing, terrible way of budgeting, and both parties 82 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,600 have been doing it. But the last time it got 83 00:05:25,639 --> 00:05:28,439 done before the election, they kicked the can down the road, 84 00:05:28,519 --> 00:05:32,879 as you always do with these continuing resolutions, and they're 85 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:39,920 going to now be taking up you know, another cr. Well, 86 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:45,959 you can actually do what the Democrats did when they 87 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:50,639 passed a lot of these spending bills. And what they did, 88 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,199 because they did not have large enough majorities to do so, 89 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:59,600 was they did reconciliation, which is a it's a move 90 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:05,319 in the in the Congress where if it's like a 91 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:10,279 budget related bill, you can do a reconciliation process and 92 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:14,279 that then allows you to just get a simple majority 93 00:06:14,319 --> 00:06:18,319 of the Senate vote. So fifty one votes, well fifty 94 00:06:18,399 --> 00:06:22,439 because jd. Vance would cast the deciding vote, but Republicans 95 00:06:22,439 --> 00:06:25,959 have a fifty three vote majority. So you could do 96 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:31,360 what Trump wants done in his executive orders. You can 97 00:06:31,399 --> 00:06:35,120 take all of those eos, put them into the omnibus, 98 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,120 put them into a bill, into the continuing resolution whatever, 99 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,720 and ram it through as part of a reconciliation process. 100 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,519 And so all this litigation doesn't even matter. It takes 101 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,160 it out of the courts because now Congress did it. 102 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,160 I'm not sure they're aware of that, right. Let me 103 00:06:53,199 --> 00:06:55,720 go over to the phones here and talk with Don. Hello, Don, 104 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,839 welcome to the show. How you doing, Hey, I'm good. 105 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:02,759 Speaker 2: I haven't I've been out of UH. I've been working 106 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:06,759 and I haven't heard of Trump has uh put forth 107 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:10,399 the information that his buddy must add about all the 108 00:07:10,439 --> 00:07:13,399 corruption and all the money and the people will kickbacks 109 00:07:13,399 --> 00:07:17,480 and all that stuff. Let me just ask this. The 110 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:22,360 first thing is Elon must has made absolute billions of 111 00:07:22,439 --> 00:07:28,759 dollars by getting credits to his Teesla company for not 112 00:07:28,959 --> 00:07:35,720 producing gases emissions here too, stuff like that, and he 113 00:07:35,839 --> 00:07:39,480 sells those to the companies who actually have some production 114 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:44,360 of fossil fuel engines and makes millions out of it. 115 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:50,399 Why is a firm that does not end the process 116 00:07:50,439 --> 00:07:56,319 of producing gas powered machines get credits to begin with? 117 00:07:56,639 --> 00:07:58,160 That's the first question I got it. 118 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:00,759 Speaker 1: I don't know the detail. I don't know the details 119 00:08:00,759 --> 00:08:04,199 of what you're describing. I'm not I've not followed Elon 120 00:08:04,319 --> 00:08:08,199 Musk's various business enterprises and how they all work. But 121 00:08:08,199 --> 00:08:12,720 it sounds like what you're describing is the carbon credits, 122 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:16,240 where you know, if you are a green company, then 123 00:08:16,279 --> 00:08:18,720 you get a certain amount of credits and then you 124 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,600 can sell them on this like carbon credit marketplace to 125 00:08:24,079 --> 00:08:27,079 entities that that emit more carbon emissions. 126 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:33,919 Speaker 2: But it makes no sense. That's like giving not drinking 127 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,639 bonuses to people in the Baptist Church. I mean that's 128 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,320 where they that's where they're not going to drink anyway. 129 00:08:40,399 --> 00:08:43,039 So why I give them something not to do something 130 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:45,360 they're not going to do anyway. That's the first thing. 131 00:08:45,399 --> 00:08:49,000 The second thing is I think Trump has been running 132 00:08:49,039 --> 00:08:53,039 for office now for you know, for years and years 133 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,399 until he put a tariff on South Africa. Have you 134 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:02,840 ever heard him speak the word South Africa? Uh? 135 00:09:03,279 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 1: Not that I can recall of off hand. 136 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 2: That's the first thing. 137 00:09:07,639 --> 00:09:10,559 Speaker 1: The second that's the second thing. So wait, wait, what 138 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:12,679 is what is the supposed importance of that? 139 00:09:13,919 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 2: Well, the points of that is that Trump is just 140 00:09:16,519 --> 00:09:19,320 weaning as it goes. He's what you talk a. 141 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: Don your phone? Don your phone signal has completely gone 142 00:09:28,759 --> 00:09:30,519 to garbage. I don't know what's going on. 143 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:32,639 Speaker 2: Can you hear me now? 144 00:09:32,879 --> 00:09:35,519 Speaker 1: Yeah? Hang on, Don, I'm gonna put John hold. I 145 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:37,519 got to take a break. I gotta take a break. 146 00:09:37,519 --> 00:09:39,960 I'm trying to process what the point of the South 147 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,440 African thing was. All Right, if you're listening to this show. 148 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:44,000 You know I try to keep up with all sorts 149 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,039 of current events, and I know you do too, And 150 00:09:46,159 --> 00:09:49,559 you've probably heard me say get your news from multiple sources. 151 00:09:50,039 --> 00:09:53,320 Why Well, because it's how you detect media bias, which 152 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,279 is why I've been so impressed with ground News. 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So you had asked something about South Africa, and 173 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,000 so I did during the break, I went and looked 174 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:04,240 up and apparently you're referring to comments that Donald Trump 175 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:09,120 made about funding that's going US, funding that is going 176 00:11:09,159 --> 00:11:14,240 to South Africa that he said he would suspend because 177 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:18,639 of what he calls a human rights violation, which is 178 00:11:18,799 --> 00:11:21,399 based on a new law that was passed that allows 179 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:26,360 the government to expropriate land, to take land from people, 180 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,840 and the South African government says, oh, Trump doesn't understand 181 00:11:31,879 --> 00:11:35,639 what this law does. And so because Elon Musk is 182 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:38,919 from South Africa originally, he's an American citizen now, but 183 00:11:39,639 --> 00:11:44,799 he has made claims that the government has been seizing 184 00:11:45,799 --> 00:11:49,639 white farmers lands, and so I guess is that what 185 00:11:49,639 --> 00:11:50,399 you're referencing. 186 00:11:51,639 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 2: Well, yes, the point I'm making here is that he's 187 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:59,559 doing things now in government. I don't think the American 188 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,799 people realized that he was going to do. It's one 189 00:12:02,799 --> 00:12:07,000 thing to say that certain agencies are doing it wrongly, 190 00:12:07,039 --> 00:12:10,240 but they have a general purpose that be good for America. 191 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:14,159 If you just come in and fire everybody, which is 192 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:17,399 what Trump, which with Musk, has done and every place 193 00:12:17,399 --> 00:12:17,919 he's ever. 194 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 1: Must can't fire anybody. Musk hasn't fired anybody. Musk has 195 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:23,080 no power to fire anybody. 196 00:12:23,759 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 2: Well he lays them off, then he doesn't know. 197 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: He's not laying anybody. Nobody, He's not elon. Musk has 198 00:12:30,039 --> 00:12:32,480 no power to do that. He hasn't done that. 199 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 2: Well he does if he tells Trump to do it, 200 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,879 and they've Okay, people are looking for jobs out of 201 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:39,559 the usaid. 202 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:41,159 Speaker 1: How many people are The point is? 203 00:12:41,919 --> 00:12:46,399 Speaker 2: The point is when Trump took over what was formerly 204 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,639 whatever it was with X, he fired everybody. 205 00:12:49,919 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, he fired eighty percent, fired. 206 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:57,159 Speaker 2: Without regard to whether they were good employees or did 207 00:12:57,159 --> 00:12:57,519 what they. 208 00:12:57,399 --> 00:12:59,519 Speaker 1: Were You don't know that he just fired. No, you 209 00:12:59,519 --> 00:12:59,960 don't know that. 210 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 2: How do you know? I bet he can't name anybody 211 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:05,480 that he fired. 212 00:13:05,279 --> 00:13:09,279 Speaker 1: Most, most, most presidents of companies that large can't. Do 213 00:13:09,279 --> 00:13:12,639 you think the people that own that own corporate radio 214 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:14,200 stations do you think they know? Do you think that 215 00:13:14,799 --> 00:13:16,960 the people at the top of my radio company know 216 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:20,080 my name? No, they don't know my name like nobody does. 217 00:13:20,919 --> 00:13:23,279 I bet they don't. I can guarantee you they don't. 218 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:27,639 Speaker 2: Okay, there's no What I'm saying is nothing that I've 219 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:31,679 seen so far the kinds of people that Trump has 220 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:35,519 appointed to run these agencies. Do you really believe that 221 00:13:35,639 --> 00:13:39,679 all these people are confident to run their agencies? And 222 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,240 don't tell me Congress is approve because the Republicans would 223 00:13:42,279 --> 00:13:44,320 have approve of you, or if. 224 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: He was in comparison, in comparison to what and to 225 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,320 whom see because you can't just. 226 00:13:51,639 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 2: Look at look at that, look at our secretary of Defense. 227 00:13:54,759 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 1: Okay, well you're all over down, You're all over the place. 228 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,000 So this call is becoming very a very little value 229 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:04,039 because you're all over the place because you throw out 230 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,600 don Now hang on a second, don What you're doing 231 00:14:06,879 --> 00:14:10,879 is you're throwing out little chunks of information and accusations 232 00:14:10,879 --> 00:14:14,759 about various people and agencies, and then you're not allowing 233 00:14:14,879 --> 00:14:18,360 any kind of an actual discourse to occur on that 234 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:22,600 particular accusation. So as I'm trying to address that, now 235 00:14:22,639 --> 00:14:25,080 you want to shift over to DoD. I have spent 236 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:31,399 to almost two weeks doing deep dives on the USAID expenditures. 237 00:14:31,639 --> 00:14:34,919 I'm perfectly comfortable talking to you about what's going on there. 238 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,080 I've outlined this very clearly. It's very clear what's been 239 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,240 going on at USAID. What may have started off with 240 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:46,240 good intentions and what may also include good programs that 241 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:50,960 are being funded in USAID has been corrupted. It is 242 00:14:51,039 --> 00:14:54,399 no longer serving solely that role. It is now doing 243 00:14:54,399 --> 00:14:58,600 a lot of other things. That's the problem. 244 00:14:58,799 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 2: Well, I think agree with you. Well they all do 245 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:04,799 what the problems. But what I'm saying is I don't 246 00:15:04,799 --> 00:15:07,480 have any say that Elon Musk is going to do 247 00:15:07,559 --> 00:15:09,399 anything it doesn't benefit him. 248 00:15:09,879 --> 00:15:13,279 Speaker 1: That's fine. So who are who are these angels among 249 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,440 us that do all of these things that just benefit 250 00:15:15,559 --> 00:15:18,799 somebody other than themselves. Who are these people? 251 00:15:18,919 --> 00:15:20,759 Speaker 2: You're in the public when you're in the government at 252 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:25,399 public trust, nobody's elected him, his popularity're. 253 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: Rating, nobody's elected. The bureaucrats that nobody's elected, the bureaucrats 254 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,000 that have been running these agencies for decades eve Congress. 255 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 2: Congress has approved them. 256 00:15:33,039 --> 00:15:35,679 Speaker 1: That doesn't but they those people have not. The president 257 00:15:35,799 --> 00:15:39,840 hired him, right, So that doesn't matter. Being unelected doesn't 258 00:15:39,879 --> 00:15:43,679 automatically make somebody deficient, because if that's the case, then 259 00:15:43,679 --> 00:15:46,440 every single person that works for the government is deficient. 260 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 2: He doesn't answer to anybody. 261 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: He answers to the president electorate. He answers to the president. 262 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 2: The president does what he says, I guarantee you. 263 00:15:55,679 --> 00:15:57,679 Speaker 1: So, wait, who's pulling the shots? Is it? Is it 264 00:15:57,720 --> 00:15:58,519 Trump or Musk? 265 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:00,519 Speaker 2: Much so? 266 00:16:00,879 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: So Donald Trump is answering to Elon Musk. 267 00:16:04,879 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 2: Well, he gave him a quarter of a billion dollars 268 00:16:06,879 --> 00:16:07,600 to get elected. 269 00:16:07,679 --> 00:16:10,799 Speaker 1: What do you think he doesn't need him anymore? Trump 270 00:16:10,919 --> 00:16:16,159 is he's he doesn't need anymore. So he got the money. 271 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:19,639 So why why why bother paying him off? Now? Right? 272 00:16:19,639 --> 00:16:19,679 Speaker 3: What? 273 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 4: Why? 274 00:16:21,519 --> 00:16:24,159 Speaker 1: So you think Donald Trump's ego would allow him to 275 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,279 be to be subservient to Elon Musk? You think Trump's 276 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:28,120 ego would allow that? 277 00:16:29,879 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 2: Well, see Trump always said he was the smartest and 278 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:35,919 the richest man there he's not when he deals with Musk. 279 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:42,159 Speaker 1: So, I mean so he so so Trump now knows 280 00:16:42,159 --> 00:16:44,200 that he's not the smartest and the richest. So he's 281 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:45,639 deferring to Elon Musk. 282 00:16:46,519 --> 00:16:50,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, he has just like he. I don't know why 283 00:16:50,639 --> 00:16:53,320 he defers to he just Oh. 284 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:58,639 Speaker 1: Don, Don, you're not living done, Don, You're you're making 285 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:00,879 up stuff. I don't know if you're aware of this. 286 00:17:01,559 --> 00:17:03,879 Oh yeah, oh no, you absolutely are. Don You have it. 287 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:06,440 Don You have somehow or another gotten it into your 288 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:10,440 head that you also know how and what other people 289 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:15,759 are thinking at all times. That is not saying no, Don, 290 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,759 I have as well. Don, I have as well. I 291 00:17:18,799 --> 00:17:21,720 have as well. And what you're outlining is what you're 292 00:17:21,759 --> 00:17:23,680 outlining is the way. All right, Don, we're done. We're 293 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:25,839 done because I'm way late for news, but I appreciate 294 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:29,799 the call, Don, But like what you have constructed, these tales, 295 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:33,279 these fables in your mind, right, they're not true in 296 00:17:33,319 --> 00:17:36,839 all cases. Now. You can have theories and hypotheses and stuff, 297 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:39,720 but you speak as if you know something is true, 298 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,480 and you do not. You do not know that to 299 00:17:42,559 --> 00:17:46,480 be true. And your logic is also completely irrepairably faulty. 300 00:17:47,079 --> 00:17:49,799 All right, I hope you had a happy holiday season. 301 00:17:49,839 --> 00:17:52,359 But tell me if something like this happened at your house. 302 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:55,240 Your family and friends are gathered around, maybe y'all are 303 00:17:55,279 --> 00:17:58,839 in the living room, You're laughing, swapping stories, reminiscing, and 304 00:17:58,839 --> 00:18:02,680 then somebody says, hey, Dad, remember those old VHS tapes? 305 00:18:02,799 --> 00:18:05,359 Did you ever get them transferred? And then the room 306 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:09,160 gets all quiet. All eyes are on Dad, who says, oh, 307 00:18:09,279 --> 00:18:11,319 you know, well, I've been meaning to, but I just 308 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:14,319 having gotten around to it. Look, don't let those priceless 309 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:17,279 memories sit in a box for another year. All right. 310 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,240 Create a Video has been helping families in the Charlotte 311 00:18:20,279 --> 00:18:24,079 area preserve their history since nineteen ninety seven. Simply bring 312 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:27,559 in your old camquarder tapes and Creative Video will transfer 313 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,759 them to a USB flash drive for just fourteen ninety 314 00:18:30,799 --> 00:18:33,119 five per tape. You have a big collection, they've got 315 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,279 a discount for you. And next year, instead of talking 316 00:18:36,319 --> 00:18:41,119 about those memories, imagine gathering the family to watch them together. 317 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:44,000 Talk about a memorable gift. So do what I did. 318 00:18:44,039 --> 00:18:47,880 Trust the experts at Creative Video, conveniently located in mint 319 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,759 Hill right off I four eighty five and online at 320 00:18:50,839 --> 00:18:54,519 create avideo dot com. And let me jump over here 321 00:18:54,519 --> 00:18:58,160 and talk to Lloyd. Hello, Lloyd, Hey there, how are you? 322 00:18:58,240 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 2: Hey? 323 00:18:58,480 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 1: I'm good? What's going on? 324 00:19:00,759 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 4: I wanted to share your frustration with that last caller 325 00:19:03,759 --> 00:19:07,160 and tell you that, I mean, it points out dramatically 326 00:19:07,319 --> 00:19:10,759 again the opportunity that we have in this country to 327 00:19:10,799 --> 00:19:12,920 start teaching debate again. 328 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:15,559 Speaker 3: We need to, I mean, people need. 329 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:19,519 Speaker 4: To understand that facts still matter. Opinions are wonderful, but 330 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:24,039 facts still matter. And so many conversations that I get 331 00:19:24,079 --> 00:19:27,359 involved in are like these with this gentleman you were 332 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:31,240 speaking to, where it's just this hyperbole in these broad 333 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:36,000 statements that really have no there's no gravity to them. 334 00:19:36,279 --> 00:19:39,720 They're simply being stated in a way that they look 335 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,839 to be facts, but there's no facts involved. 336 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 1: Right. I became aware of this when I was up 337 00:19:47,279 --> 00:19:50,359 in Asheville. We had a sister station that was a 338 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,880 progressive talk station, which, by the way, made no money. 339 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:56,359 We actually supported them, so like the money we made 340 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,400 actually kept them on the air, which is very much 341 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:03,519 on brand for a progress of outfit. But anyway, so 342 00:20:03,599 --> 00:20:07,440 I would hear in certain debates with the host, the 343 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:12,160 afternoon host over there, and he would do what Don did. 344 00:20:12,799 --> 00:20:16,079 And I think it was because he was actually like 345 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:19,799 a He was a playwright. He wrote plays as his 346 00:20:19,839 --> 00:20:22,880 main job, and then he just did this, you know, this, 347 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:28,039 this show for giggles or whatever. But that that was 348 00:20:28,079 --> 00:20:32,640 the way he constructed his show and his line of 349 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:36,000 thinking on things, which was to fill in gaps of 350 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:42,119 unknowns with his biases with what he thinks is actually happening. 351 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,920 Behind the scenes, and he's like pretending that he knows 352 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:49,000 the thoughts of these strangers to him, which is a 353 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:53,039 bizarre thing, and I don't understand why people do that. 354 00:20:53,599 --> 00:20:57,680 It's like this projection. I guess, I don't know, but 355 00:20:57,720 --> 00:20:59,960 it doesn't comport with what they've been saying about Donald 356 00:21:00,079 --> 00:21:02,599 Trump and what we know about Donald Trump. Do you 357 00:21:02,599 --> 00:21:05,559 think like he's answering, do you think Donald Trump would 358 00:21:06,279 --> 00:21:10,359 act in a subservient way to anybody, let alone Elon Musk. No, 359 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,920 like that's a they recognize it as a partnership, it 360 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,039 seems like, but Trump is still in charge. 361 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:21,039 Speaker 4: I agree. And the point though, is that regardless of 362 00:21:21,079 --> 00:21:24,839 what your position, you still should be able to state 363 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:28,200 it in a factual matter where you can actually have 364 00:21:28,559 --> 00:21:32,519 a conversation so that maybe your opinion might be changed, 365 00:21:33,079 --> 00:21:36,440 and that would be okay. But we no longer hold 366 00:21:36,519 --> 00:21:40,039 debate in any high regard, and we need to be 367 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,799 teaching it, and I'm talking about at the elementary level, 368 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:47,519 straight through school, where people are understanding that you need 369 00:21:47,559 --> 00:21:50,920 to be able to have a rational decision with logic 370 00:21:51,079 --> 00:21:56,680 and facts involved, rather than these broad, all encompassing statements 371 00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:01,599 that are based on literally nothing and there's no even 372 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:02,640 truth in them. You know. 373 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:04,079 Speaker 3: The beautiful thing. 374 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 4: About truth is the truth will stand and it ultimately 375 00:22:07,519 --> 00:22:10,319 does not need your permission, right, and. 376 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 1: You can make your Yeah, you can make your argument, like, 377 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,799 if you want to assert a premise, then okay, what's 378 00:22:15,839 --> 00:22:18,799 the evidence to support the premise, and then we can 379 00:22:19,079 --> 00:22:22,680 we can weigh that against any you know, counter evidence 380 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:27,200 and try to come to a conclusion about what we 381 00:22:27,319 --> 00:22:31,960 believe may be true. But this, but the the tactic 382 00:22:32,519 --> 00:22:35,960 that I identified with Don is you know, this this scattershot 383 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:41,200 approach of bouncing between different assertions in order to never 384 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:45,839 get to a substantive discussion about the assertion. And that's 385 00:22:45,839 --> 00:22:48,519 what I get frustrated on if you and also he 386 00:22:48,559 --> 00:22:50,519 never talked about the thing that he actually told my 387 00:22:50,559 --> 00:22:52,599 call screen er he wanted to talk about. He went 388 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,519 off on all these other things first, and that kind 389 00:22:54,559 --> 00:22:56,720 of that ticks me off a little bit because you're 390 00:22:56,759 --> 00:22:59,480 lying to my call screener. Now. People sometimes just you know, 391 00:22:59,519 --> 00:23:01,720 they get they get nervous, and then they don't get 392 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,200 to what they want to talk about. So I give 393 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,599 people leeway on that sort of stuff. But if you 394 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,720 want to call in and have a discussion about you know, 395 00:23:08,759 --> 00:23:12,599 whether USAID funds were appropriately spent, then I'm happy to 396 00:23:12,599 --> 00:23:15,039 have that discussion. But as soon as you start talking 397 00:23:15,079 --> 00:23:17,279 about that, and then I respond, and then you're talking 398 00:23:17,279 --> 00:23:19,960 about Pete Hegseth, Like, Okay, this is not a good 399 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,839 faith argument. Lloyd, I appreciate the call, buddy, Yes, all right, 400 00:23:24,799 --> 00:23:27,480 all right man, thanks, I appreciate it. That's Lloyd. Here's 401 00:23:27,519 --> 00:23:30,079 a great idea. How about making an escape to a 402 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,640 really special and secluded getaway in western North Carolina. 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So like 429 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,279 this argument that you know Elon Musk is doing this 430 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:15,160 for himself, Okay, is that a net positive or net negative? 431 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,920 Because if he's doing it for himself, but he finds 432 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,759 a trillion dollars in savings to me and America tax 433 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,279 the American taxpayers, and that helps to reduce the deficit. 434 00:25:25,759 --> 00:25:28,000 Would that be a net benefit to all of us 435 00:25:28,039 --> 00:25:32,119 as well? And also always think in terms of in 436 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:38,160 comparison to what because are there are there other billionaires 437 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,640 that are out there that are not doing things in 438 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:45,680 their own interest? Right? This is the entire premise of 439 00:25:46,799 --> 00:25:49,480 you know, a free market, that people do things in 440 00:25:49,519 --> 00:25:51,839 their own self interest because that is our human nature. 441 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,039 And when you try to go against human nature a 442 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,920 lah Marxism, you end up having to kill a whole 443 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,160 bunch of people, which is, by the way, in the 444 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,599 interest of the ruling elite that do all the murdering 445 00:26:04,759 --> 00:26:09,400 under Marxism, because that's in their interest. See, you cannot, 446 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:14,920 you cannot get around human nature. All right, So let's 447 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,319 see what Tony has to say about all of this. Hello, Tony, 448 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:18,240 welcome to the show. 449 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 3: Hey, what's going on? 450 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:20,640 Speaker 2: Pete? 451 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,319 Speaker 1: Oh you said you tell me? 452 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:27,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, poor Lloyd, Lloyd, the college that you just had. 453 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:34,359 Lloyd wants rationality, rational man. You know, to me, when 454 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:38,319 you voted for a felling, who'd ever thought America would 455 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:42,279 voted falling into office. That's not rational. Rationality in America 456 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:46,559 is done. That's over with. And and Donald Trump, if 457 00:26:46,559 --> 00:26:50,160 you've seen a news conference with him and that other dude, 458 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,920 that Eli Musk with his child in there with him, 459 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,359 the way that was man Elon just kind. 460 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 4: Of took over. 461 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 3: It just kind of like Donald Trump just shut his mouth, 462 00:26:59,559 --> 00:27:02,920 you know. When Elon started talking about some he was like, 463 00:27:03,079 --> 00:27:05,640 excuse me, and the reporter went right to him. That's 464 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,640 on YouTube. You can look at it. I have. 465 00:27:07,759 --> 00:27:09,519 Speaker 1: I've watched it twice. As a matter of fact, have 466 00:27:09,559 --> 00:27:10,599 you watched the entire thing? 467 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:12,279 Speaker 3: But Donald Trump? 468 00:27:12,319 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 1: Have you, Tony, Tony? Have you watched the entire. 469 00:27:14,759 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 3: Thing as far as the news conference? 470 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: Yeah? No, So you didn't watch the entire thing. So 471 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,440 you're basing so you're basing your opinion on right, all right, 472 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,240 So you're basing your opinion on having seen a clip 473 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:35,880 or a portion of a roughly thirty to forty minute 474 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,039 press availability. 475 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,400 Speaker 3: No, I didn't. I didn't base that on that at all. 476 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,559 I'm just giving an example of Donald Trump bowing down 477 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:44,480 to Elon Musk. 478 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,519 Speaker 1: Donald Trump was sitting at the resolute desk. He opened 479 00:27:47,599 --> 00:27:50,359 up the news conference. He tossed it over to Elon Musk. 480 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,400 Elon Musk made a statement and then said, anybody have 481 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,400 any questions, And people then asked Elon Musk questions about 482 00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,480 the work that he was doing, which he would know 483 00:27:59,559 --> 00:28:03,240 first hand. So Donald Trump obviously defers to Musk on that. 484 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,920 But then Donald Trump would come in and he would 485 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,920 add his comments to what Elon would say, and then 486 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,079 they would both go back and forth. There wasn't any 487 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,319 kind of bowing down. You're like that, dude, You're projecting 488 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:15,960 something into this, into that. 489 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 3: Listen, listen, Pepe, listen. I know you don't want to 490 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:19,799 I know you don't want to believe that. 491 00:28:20,039 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 1: I get it, man, you don't want to see there 492 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,200 again you're doing Tony, You're doing You're doing the exact 493 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,359 same thing again. Now with me. You're projecting knowledge of 494 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,599 my thoughts and you have no freaking idea what I'm 495 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,480 thinking and why I think the way I think. If 496 00:28:32,519 --> 00:28:33,680 you want to know, I can. 497 00:28:33,519 --> 00:28:36,599 Speaker 3: Tell you, Okay, can I tell you? Can tell you. 498 00:28:36,599 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: You cannot tell me anything that I'm thinking. No, stop 499 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,319 doing that. Stop projecting other people's brain waves. 500 00:28:44,039 --> 00:28:46,119 Speaker 3: I'm gonna do. This is not something that's that's that's 501 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:47,200 that's that's incredible. 502 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 4: Pepe. 503 00:28:47,559 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 3: Let me just school you on something again. 504 00:28:49,759 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: How do you know that I don't know the thing 505 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,640 you're about to say. You're doing it again, Tony. Are 506 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,680 you able to have a discussion without projecting some some 507 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:04,440 into somebody else's head. Why don't you start from upset? Well, 508 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,279 I'm not. You're once again, Tony does it again. You 509 00:29:08,359 --> 00:29:12,519 literally cannot form an argument unless you're projecting some thought 510 00:29:12,559 --> 00:29:14,240 process into your opponent. 511 00:29:15,079 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 3: You keep interrupting me because. 512 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,799 Speaker 1: You're full of crap, Tony, Tony, because you're full of 513 00:29:19,799 --> 00:29:22,440 crap and you're you're making up stuff and you're using 514 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,759 it to straw man. And I'm not going to let 515 00:29:24,799 --> 00:29:28,480 you do it. I'm not. I'm not on riddle and Tony, 516 00:29:28,519 --> 00:29:32,880 there again, there's another one. Once again, you're projecting onto 517 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,079 me something that you don't know to be true. 518 00:29:35,839 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 3: I'm only going by your action fee. 519 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: You're not, Tony, You're not. You're a liar as well. Tony. 520 00:29:42,319 --> 00:29:44,799 You are now lying, you are now lying. 521 00:29:45,599 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 3: You're out of control. 522 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 1: I am completely within my control. 523 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 3: Listen, listen, calm down for you. 524 00:29:51,319 --> 00:29:54,359 Speaker 1: Calm down, Tony. You seem very upset. You should take 525 00:29:54,359 --> 00:29:55,119 some riddle. 526 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 3: In listen just kind of hilarious to me. 527 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 1: But I agree you are not for the reason you think. 528 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 3: Okay, let me just tell you. Let me just tell 529 00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:08,160 you why. I say, Man, he's bowling down to Elil Musk. 530 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:13,559 Speaker 1: I mean that's not telling me. You're asking me. No, no, 531 00:30:14,119 --> 00:30:17,200 start stated as a statement. Don't ask me what? Don't 532 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,880 ask me? Why don't ask me a question? You said 533 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,519 you were going to tell me? Why tell me? Why 534 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,400 don't ask me something? Tell me that. 535 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 3: Press conference was a third world press conference. It would 536 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:30,960 have no dignity, had. 537 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 1: Nothing to do with You didn't even see it. 538 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,319 Speaker 3: All about it? No, No, what I seen was enough. 539 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 1: I don't have this, and you know that because you 540 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:39,480 didn't see it. 541 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 3: Listen, I already know you. We have a liar in 542 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,440 the White House. What am I gonna sit there and 543 00:30:44,519 --> 00:30:45,559 listen to a liar for. 544 00:30:45,799 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: In comp in comparison to who. 545 00:30:49,119 --> 00:30:52,799 Speaker 3: In comparison to what we have? Now, what do you mean? 546 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: So Donald Trump is a liar? Fine? So fine, I 547 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,680 seed that point in comparison in comparison now to who, 548 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,799 can you name another president that has not lied? 549 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, no, no, I didn't say they didn't lie. 550 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:07,480 I said, he's a liar. 551 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, So what's the difference between say, Joe Biden lying, 552 00:31:10,839 --> 00:31:11,359 Is he a liar? 553 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 3: Biden? Joe Biden is not in office. 554 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, but when he was in office, was he a liar? 555 00:31:16,079 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 3: Obama is not? 556 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: I said Joe Biden. I didn't say Obama. I asked whether, 557 00:31:20,759 --> 00:31:25,200 I asked whether, I asked whether I know you don't see? Now, See, 558 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,400 this is the problem when you make assertions rather than 559 00:31:27,519 --> 00:31:29,759 pose your arguments in the form of a question in 560 00:31:29,839 --> 00:31:32,359 order to try to dodge any kind of responsibility for 561 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,559 saying stupid stuff. But Tony, Joe Biden was a liar 562 00:31:36,599 --> 00:31:39,839 to Barack Obama, was a liar to everybody that has 563 00:31:39,839 --> 00:31:43,720 occupied that office. I am sure at some point lied. See. 564 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,440 So you trying to make an argument that all these 565 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,079 things are true because Donald Trump's a liar. Well, if 566 00:31:49,119 --> 00:31:52,599 that's the if that's the consistent standard, then the same 567 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,559 standard would be applied to all other presidents. And I 568 00:31:55,559 --> 00:31:59,400 can name several Biden lies. Hell, Obama won the Lie 569 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,640 of the Year from the Washington Post. All right, that'll 570 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,279 do it for this episode. Thank you so much for listening. 571 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,519 I could not do the show without your support. And 572 00:32:08,599 --> 00:32:11,279 the support of the businesses that advertise on the podcast, 573 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,720 so if you'd like, please support them too and tell 574 00:32:13,759 --> 00:32:15,480 them you heard it here. 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