Speaker 1: Welcome to spacing out with BB and Jason this week,
Speaker 1: covering Foundation season two, episode five decided in the scene.
Speaker 2: Yes, welcome to spacy Now.
Speaker 3: I'm BB and I'm Jason, and we are discussing the
Speaker 3: Apple TV sci fi series Foundation, one episode at a
Speaker 3: time and spoiler free. This is our first time watching
Speaker 3: the series, and we're not watching ahead, so we don't
Speaker 3: have our spoiler section or really any spoilers at all.
Speaker 3: In this episode, Harry experiences a vision of Rach before
Speaker 3: waking aboard the Beggar, which crash lands on Igness due
Speaker 3: to negative ions on Trentor. Sarah gains access to Cleon's chambers,
Speaker 3: argues with brother Day, and ultimately accepts his marriage proposal.
Speaker 3: Then Sarah and Rue discover Themrzil's robotic nature on Igness.
Speaker 3: Salver encounters are seemingly alive Hugo, but Harry grows suspicious,
Speaker 3: leading to the revelation that he and the others are
Speaker 3: telepaths who can after the trio they are brought before
Speaker 3: tell them Bond, the leader of the Mentallics, who already
Speaker 3: knows about their plans for a second Foundation, and says
Speaker 3: that is not going to happen.
Speaker 1: Vive check. Did we like the episode overall?
Speaker 2: Eh, it was all right. I got pissed off a
Speaker 2: couple of times, but it was fine.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I feel like it was a mix of some
Speaker 3: good and some bad. For me, it was some things
Speaker 3: I didn't like and then some things I was really into,
Speaker 3: So it averages out to be okay.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's like a great like marker
Speaker 2: of an episode. Let's say it was like, all right,
Speaker 2: it passed.
Speaker 3: Well, we'll get into it later, but there's just some
Speaker 3: aspects that I'm not vibing with.
Speaker 1: Trivia time, What facts for news could we uncover for
Speaker 1: The Sighted and the Scene?
Speaker 3: All right? This is Foundation season two, episode five, The
Speaker 3: Sighted and the Scene. This originally aired on August eleventh,
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three. Written by Joel Garfinkel and Jane Espinson
Speaker 3: and directed by Alex Graves. So we talked about Jane
Speaker 3: Espinson in the previous episode, So talk about the other writer,
Speaker 3: Joel Garfinkel, who has a handful of writing credits, including
Speaker 3: a show called Camgirls another one called Ordinary Joe. But
Speaker 3: she also worked on several shows as a script coordinator,
Speaker 3: including season one of Foundation. A script coordinator is someone
Speaker 3: who kind of manages the formatting, distribution of scripts and
Speaker 3: the continuity and all that stuff. So it's kind of
Speaker 3: cool that she moved up from that job into the
Speaker 3: writer's room and then director Alex Graves directing credits and
Speaker 3: include the West Wing, Game of Thrones, seven episodes of Foundation,
Speaker 3: and many more, and twelve of the fourteen pilot episodes
Speaker 3: he's directed were picked up for a series, Oh Wow,
Speaker 3: which is a lot because most pilots do not get
Speaker 3: picked up. And notable to us, he's from Kansas City,
Speaker 3: Missouri and intended to University of Kansas. A fellow Jayhawk.
Speaker 1: Deep Space Dive. Let's break down some of our thoughts
Speaker 1: on the episode. You can share your thoughts with us
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Speaker 2: Well, I vaguely remember anything about this show, and yeah,
Speaker 2: so upon a clarity, it's just with the way our
Speaker 2: schedules and lives have been.
Speaker 3: It's been several weeks since we last watched an episode
Speaker 3: of this. I think in terms of the episodes being released,
Speaker 3: they'll probably still be every week, but there was a
Speaker 3: big gap here for us in terms of watching, so
Speaker 3: it was kind of hard to remember exactly what was
Speaker 3: going on in every storyline, but feel pretty caught up
Speaker 3: on it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really hate this Harry Selden guy. I don't
Speaker 2: understand how he's like the basis of the foundation, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, because he turned himself into an idea,
Speaker 2: but now he's a real person.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: He's annoying, too condescending.
Speaker 3: He is, And the one silver lining of that is
Speaker 3: multiple times in the episode they kind of shut him
Speaker 3: down for the way he talks to them.
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's weird. He's weird. I don't like him.
Speaker 2: He's not my favorite character right now, and I'm just like,
Speaker 2: what's the point of him? I don't know. I was
Speaker 2: really interested in this like group of people they ran
Speaker 2: into though.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, and then we kind of bring up some
Speaker 3: old characters. We saw a vision of Rach and of
Speaker 3: Salbar's boyfriend. I don't remember his name, so I don't
Speaker 3: think he's going to come up again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like he's a goner.
Speaker 3: That scene with Rach. I'm not sure if that was
Speaker 3: like any new information for us, or if we already
Speaker 3: kind of understood all that about how he wasn't supposed
Speaker 3: to involve Gail in any of this.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he was. I mean, that wasn't
Speaker 2: even him right, like.
Speaker 3: No, but it was a a memory of what happened.
Speaker 2: I thought it was interesting to meet people that are
Speaker 2: on the same wavelength as you, like that call you
Speaker 2: and like lure you in. That's so interesting. And then
Speaker 2: to use a child as a deity and they're like, actually,
Speaker 2: don't worship children, it's not good for them. That was
Speaker 2: really good. And it also kind of like juxtaposition to
Speaker 2: the ideology of Empire and how you are worshiping this
Speaker 2: like entity from childhood all the way up to adulthood,
Speaker 2: and that whole storyline was super interesting in this one.
Speaker 2: I think that's where the meat of the episode was
Speaker 2: this season, for this particular episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I like how they're showing that there's more
Speaker 3: I think they phrased there's more like competition out there.
Speaker 3: Because first, so we know that Harry was cloned. That's
Speaker 3: how he has a body. Now I don't know exactly
Speaker 3: the details of how that came to be, but so
Speaker 3: the Empire is not the only one who can do cloning.
Speaker 3: And then we have this group with these mental powers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's very interesting.
Speaker 3: And they seem to be a step ahead of Harry
Speaker 3: and Gale and salvoor So.
Speaker 2: And they want to destroy the Foundation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, or at least they don't want to be part
Speaker 3: of the second Foundation.
Speaker 2: Whatever that means. I still don't get it. I still
Speaker 2: don't get it. What the fuck is a foundation? It's
Speaker 2: a it's like a collection of knowledge for when the
Speaker 2: world ends somewhat.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's confusing. I don't get it. I'm just like, I
Speaker 2: don't know. I like the Empire storyline because he's like
Speaker 2: creepy KORALI like the whole interaction with his step mom
Speaker 2: robot was fucking awful and it made me cringe so bad.
Speaker 3: It's super cringe. It was awful. That whole section. Just
Speaker 3: it's like it was written by a It's like a
Speaker 3: teen boys fantasy.
Speaker 2: Me and my hot mom gonna hold your dick and
Speaker 2: say you feel ready.
Speaker 3: And then there's also there's like one like him expecting
Speaker 3: Sarah to be a virgin. He has an idea in
Speaker 3: his head or somehow, and then there's also the scene
Speaker 3: of the brother Dusk well I guess when he was
Speaker 3: brother day. It's so confusing, but when he's like walking
Speaker 3: to that garden, like going to pick out a woman
Speaker 3: from like he's shopping.
Speaker 2: Are you like not familiar with the common stereotype of
Speaker 2: women being like virtuous and men being like disgustingly like
Speaker 2: filled with just semen in such excess that they must
Speaker 2: expel it with any woman that's willing and able and
Speaker 2: sometimes unwilling, and it's totally fine. Do you not understand
Speaker 2: the double standard that women live with every day with
Speaker 2: the Madonna horr complex.
Speaker 3: No, it's the first I'm hearing.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yeah. No, every fucking romance novel, every
Speaker 2: fucking romance novel, every book written for women by women,
Speaker 2: in most cases is a man who has a laundry
Speaker 2: list of ladies that he's conquered, and the woman has
Speaker 2: only been touched by maybe like a fun horse ride.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe one day she was churning butter a little
Speaker 2: too hard and got excited. But her first experience in
Speaker 2: a dalliance with a man is this very rough, knowing
Speaker 2: hand that's gonna guide her into womanhood. And that's the romance, which,
Speaker 2: to me, I could take it or leave it, Like
Speaker 2: I understand what fantasy is, but I think it's harmful
Speaker 2: when you talk about women's body counts or women's values.
Speaker 2: When it comes to their experience, I don't think a
Speaker 2: woman having any quote unquote mind eyelage on her makes
Speaker 2: her less of a woman or more of a woman.
Speaker 2: Experience makes a person experienced, and I think that can
Speaker 2: be intimidating to a lot of men, especially because it
Speaker 2: is harder for men to gain experience compared to women.
Speaker 2: I think a woman might have an easier time finding
Speaker 2: men to conquer versus a man. And if a man
Speaker 2: does do this, it's usually nothing of significance in terms
Speaker 2: of a relationship. It's just an interaction. So very interesting
Speaker 2: conversation about that, and also the age difference disgusting, gross vile,
Speaker 2: And she like getting on top and being in a
Speaker 2: position of power, and he's like, actually, well, actually I
Speaker 2: know more about sex, so the right way to do
Speaker 2: it is me on top. That was so ick like
Speaker 2: right then, and there Sahara desert in the pussy. It's
Speaker 2: the Sahara desert like that, right there was the line
Speaker 2: that literally killed the vibe for me, like no, sir no.
Speaker 2: But it also shows how he refuses to be conquered
Speaker 2: by this strange woman. Because if we remember back to
Speaker 2: the scene where he was getting fucked by his robot mom,
Speaker 2: she was on top. That's how she got the knife
Speaker 2: in the head. Yeah, so does her pleasure not count?
Speaker 2: Like it's very interesting, very nuanced. I would love to
Speaker 2: like for that interaction to have been more. I think
Speaker 2: it was very abrupt and very rough, and I was
Speaker 2: worried for a minute that he was gonna rape her.
Speaker 2: But thankfully he has a rectile dysfunction at the correct
Speaker 2: time and she doesn't have to fuck him. But somehow
Speaker 2: they're engaged. Hooray, what an engagement. Not only are you
Speaker 2: getting mansplained how to have pleasure, brole in a course,
Speaker 2: but also your family is like being investigated, and the
Speaker 2: fucking robot lady tells on her and says, don't worry,
Speaker 2: it will never lead back to you, And it's like,
Speaker 2: what the fuck is happening?
Speaker 3: Bro Yeah, so I think that's the first confirmation that
Speaker 3: he did kill her family.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had something to do with it, for sure.
Speaker 2: But the fucking revelation of the fucking episode was when
Speaker 2: they find the memories of the person who worked on
Speaker 2: him the day he was dying, and they find out
Speaker 2: that the bitch is a robot. H fucking and that
Speaker 2: moment that should have been more explosive, that should have
Speaker 2: been like like, I think they did really good, but
Speaker 2: I wish we would have lingered there more, like I
Speaker 2: wish they would have been able to put together like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, how long has she been here? Oh
Speaker 2: my god? You know what does she know? Like can
Speaker 2: we access her memories? Because apparently her memories are like
Speaker 2: double downloaded. And that whole mess with the memories was
Speaker 2: very interesting when they talked to the original Homeboy. I
Speaker 2: didn't know they could do that. Yeah, either, I didn't
Speaker 2: know they could do that. I wish they would have
Speaker 2: explored that in earlier seasons because I would be there
Speaker 2: every day trying to trick it, trying to figure out
Speaker 2: like the algorithm, you know, because there's something happening, there's
Speaker 2: something amiss, and I think Brother don No, Brother Dusk
Speaker 2: is like uncovering it. When he looked at the memories
Speaker 2: from the original to them, He's like, he has two
Speaker 2: hundred memories and I only have eighty seven? Tops, How
Speaker 2: is where is the discrepancy? What is going on here?
Speaker 2: What are we not knowing? And we don't know how
Speaker 2: to ask the question of what is missing because you
Speaker 2: don't know what's missing.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think once we got past all their sexcapades,
Speaker 3: I think the cleon stuff was actually really interesting and
Speaker 3: how there's so much division between them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and how the og was like to be divided
Speaker 2: is to not be and it does not you, brother,
Speaker 2: It is totally not you.
Speaker 3: They're like, yeah, but okay, we still have this problem
Speaker 3: with brother day.
Speaker 2: Can you help us resolve it? No, He's like, don't
Speaker 2: worry about it. This has nothing to do with you
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Peace and love.
Speaker 2: Peace and love very interesting. I love. I did like
Speaker 2: that part. And I also enjoyed the older couple kind
Speaker 2: of watching themselves as the younger couple watching the memory
Speaker 2: of their interaction.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and.
Speaker 2: I'm glad it wasn't negative for her because it could
Speaker 2: have been. It could have been something that she didn't
Speaker 2: want to do.
Speaker 3: So that's good, Yeah, because that could very easily be
Speaker 3: uncomfortable to watch yourself doing something you have no memory of. Yeah, Like, oh,
Speaker 3: anyone ever showed you a video of like when you
Speaker 3: were drunk or something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or when you were really young and you don't
Speaker 2: have a memory of it, Like being that young so
Speaker 2: very interesting, and I'm glad they kind of made it
Speaker 2: kind of a romantic moment for them. Very interesting that
Speaker 2: Dusk has a romance. When Dawn had a romance, it
Speaker 2: was very volatile and very scary and undercover. But now
Speaker 2: that as Dusk, it's more free, relaxed. It's very it's
Speaker 2: not we don't know yet if there's any manipulation, because
Speaker 2: there could be that and we don't know yet. She's
Speaker 2: like learning about like, oh, this is where they store
Speaker 2: the memories, so there is some intel that's being drawn
Speaker 2: from that experience.
Speaker 3: But yeah, like, is she also like sincere in this
Speaker 3: relationship at the same.
Speaker 2: Time, We don't know. But I appreciate her being present
Speaker 2: and her having like this history because I think in
Speaker 2: a show where we do so much jumping in time
Speaker 2: with like millennia or like decades or centuries or whatever,
Speaker 2: it's nice to just go back, like a couple years back,
Speaker 2: like when I was young. To play with time is
Speaker 2: interesting in that way because we keep jumping forward, but
Speaker 2: I like to go back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what else? That was really our two storylines, right was?
Speaker 2: Yeah? That was it?
Speaker 3: Two groups?
Speaker 2: Yeah, very simple?
Speaker 3: All right, Well, then let's do our Astral queen.
Speaker 1: Astral queen, who was the standout character in the episode.
Speaker 3: Who was the best character in this episode? We had
Speaker 3: Salvar kind of being a badass.
Speaker 2: Oh, she was so good when she when they landed,
Speaker 2: Like the first thing she did was like, I saw
Speaker 2: people out there, we need to go. But then she
Speaker 2: got fucking got man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she saw those eyes.
Speaker 2: And those unrealistically blue eyes. Yeah, white people, man.
Speaker 3: When I did like her her attitude when they met
Speaker 3: the religious cult. Yeah, we're like, sorry, we use your
Speaker 3: memories against you. So yeah, fuck you for that. And
Speaker 3: then so our other options would probably be the Queen.
Speaker 2: Say, doing her sleuthing, doing.
Speaker 3: Her investigation, which was successful in learning.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give it to that evil bitch that wants
Speaker 2: to destroy the thing that's the show's about.
Speaker 3: What's her name? Tell them bonds, that's hers. There will
Speaker 3: be no second foundation.
Speaker 2: That's what I say. Fuck this show. No, I didn't
Speaker 2: mean it like that, but I like that she was
Speaker 2: ready for them, She lured them in, she tricked them,
Speaker 2: and then she made them feel safe, and she's infiltrating
Speaker 2: their minds and she wants to destroy everything they stand for. Yeah,
Speaker 2: all in like fucking what like five minutes, three minutes
Speaker 2: of airtime screen time, and.
Speaker 3: She called out Harry on his misogyny when.
Speaker 2: He's like, do they not speak for themselves? And then
Speaker 2: the line you should not worship children, it's not good
Speaker 2: for them iconic. I want that on a T shirt
Speaker 2: because you know some parents like literally like it's like
Speaker 2: idle worship, like they're little kings and queens. They're people,
Speaker 2: freedom like people. It's yours.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with I'm just gonna go with Salve War.
Speaker 3: I feel like she was the one really fighting to
Speaker 3: keep the energy up in this episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was doing a lot. Oh. I really hated
Speaker 2: when Harry was like, don't think about salt War, don't
Speaker 2: think about that, Like, bitch, get away for me.
Speaker 3: Like she's like, then stop bringing it.
Speaker 2: Up for real. God, what an annoying bastard.
Speaker 3: Ah. Okay, So I think that wraps up our coverage
Speaker 3: of the sighted and the scene. The next episode will
Speaker 3: be episode six, Why the Gods made Wine answers to drinking,
Speaker 3: So thank you for spacing out with us. And remember,
Speaker 3: don't worship a child as a god. It's not good
Speaker 3: for them.
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