Speaker 1: What's going on, Clippers fans? How is everybody doing? I
am Chuck Buckler, joined by Adam Oson and William of
Like we are Clips and Dippe. We have a weird
background situation. Sorry about that. We're in hell, everybody. We
are doing a live stream happy hour hang here at
YouTube dot com. Clip.
Speaker 2: I can't help that's hell, hell or Utah, but I
guess it's the same same thing.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: It could be the Beehive State, it could be whatever
we want it to be.
Speaker 2: No, we're in the redwoods in Yosemite.
Speaker 1: This is beautiful, this is gorgeous. We love it. People
are not People are not falling to their doom. This
is not what it feels like to watch the Clippers lately.
All right, let me get it. I'll get it back.
Thank you for adultging my bit. Okay, we got it back. Hi.
How Adam? How you doing?
Speaker 2: I don't know, man. People were upset. People were really
upset last night, getting mad at me for like, well
funding out how much we all love the off season.
Speaker 1: Adam and the team accountable that we haven't talked about
your your hand in this four and eleven record.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 2: People were saying, fire me, you know what, it'll turn
things around.
Speaker 3: Guys.
Speaker 2: I'm willing to sacrifice myself. I'll jump off that clip
we just saw.
Speaker 1: There we go. Alex Webb is confident that we're going
to get the brunch win tomorrow. Great.
Speaker 2: The Clippers love to do win those early games.
Speaker 1: We love winning those early games. Will How are you
feeling you in good spirits?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm great, I'm great, and this is acceptance I think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think.
Speaker 3: I'm at the acceptance stage.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think what helped me get to the acceptance
stage was this quote from a post game from Suggs
that said they played a little slower. Just knowing that.
James Harden that's part of their identity, it's playing slow.
Went on to say, I just think it's kind of
hard to maintain when you got older, guys, giving the
league is evolving at such a rapid pace. Kind of
what Adam to your point, you talked about the pace
a week or so ago feels like years ago.
Speaker 2: But yeah, pass them by.
Speaker 1: It's just literally and figuratively seemingly.
Speaker 2: Want transition points. That's a lot of getting passed by.
Speaker 1: Yes, they're one and three on the road trip. James
Harden continues, to just be the entire thing.
Speaker 3: Get him some.
Speaker 1: Help, get him some help. Yeah, we do, Ben, come on,
and that's the other part. I thought we had help.
Speaker 3: One would think it's all bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, nobody's playing well enough outside of James Harden. Really,
I can't.
Speaker 3: Believe brook Lopez has the second most main three is
on this team. That's fucking ridiculous.
Speaker 1: That made my head hurt when I saw that earlier.
But Toomb's third, which no disrespect to Batomb, but we
have got time right.
Speaker 2: He's not exactly a high volume with it, like Bogie
needs to be better. He was bad yesterday. Uh CP
three was bad yesterday. So many guys, John Collins A
get him into the starting line of I'll fix everything
making one night. It's just so much going wrong at once.
Speaker 1: It might be point nine.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I will give Orlando's gonna end up like a
top four in the Eastern Conference. Like they're they're a
good team. And coach lu said postgame, like, yeah, they're
better than us. It's no, no, no, I'm just saying
yesterday's game, it's like, yeah, I could see that one
getting out of hand. You get blown out by Charlotte, though, tomorrow. Now,
I like, is everybody okay or our jobs intact? I
don't know. That would be really really concerning.
Speaker 1: Whoever plays tomorrow gets their fifth win unless they go
to overtime and Adam Silver's like it doesn't know, No,
no one gets to win. How about that everyone gets
half a loss.
Speaker 2: Hey, they're four to eleven, just like Charlotte in the middle.
Speaker 1: Oh god, okay, So the LaMelo.
Speaker 2: Thing, that's exactly what you tweeted, Chuck.
Speaker 1: It's not too different. Also, if you're listening to this
pod and you missed this lively decompression session and you're
listening to the audio, subscribe and hang out with us.
It's a fun time. So it's very different from our
last pot that opened very positively, but things have changed.
The LaMelo thing, there was this report that he wants
to trade, but then he refuted it. He tweeted the
emoji with which is in his in his generation, is
the most vehement. Uh, the one emoji, the clown emoji. Oh,
he quoted the story with the clown emoji on Twitter, which.
Speaker 2: Is basically suing for defamation.
Speaker 1: Exactly that is, he was no, but I there's no
part of me that wants LaMelo Ball on this team
that involves trading James harden Away.
Speaker 3: No, what did you get Collins and some other junk,
some crap.
Speaker 2: I My only point would be with LaMelo, and I've
been talking about it all summer, is if you're not
getting Lamello or Kaminga or Trey Young or one of
these guys that have obvious flaws. I mean, you're really
crossing your fingers that Yannis is gonna come in twenty
twenty seven and won't already be on another team. Uh,
it could be slim Pickens. You might have all this
cap space and you're like, well, we're striking out now.
You may be okay with that. You'd rather strike out
than bring in Mellow. I don't have im there.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm interested to.
Speaker 2: Be twenty seven.
Speaker 5: Last episode, like last episode keeps out going, which could
change if they lose to the Hornets. But last episode
we talked about how like we feel confident in this
front office that they're not going to make rash moves
in this scenario. But looking ahead to twenty twenty seven,
now realizing how much the game has changed and how
far behind, how does that change your calculus Because you're like, okay,
so that's Yannis too years older. You see where the
league is at right now. You see teams like the Spurs.
You see these teams that.
Speaker 3: Are only getting younger, they're only getting faster.
Speaker 5: The Thunder might get another first round, will get another
first round, most.
Speaker 3: Likely this year. How does that change it?
Speaker 5: Because I think, you know, I think that that might
be a faulty that that might be a faulty point
to build around now. And that's nothing against Giannis or anything,
but I think maybe the model of like hoping to
bring in the thirty plus year old star and build
your team around that, it's not enough. It's not gonna
be enough to be competitive in this league.
Speaker 1: And at this time is not enough.
Speaker 2: I think it's fair, But I think teams will still
take that chance to get what could very likely end
up being a top fifteen player. Ever, like if he
wins another ring, Like yeah, these guys work to do.
But I think you have to consider things like this
and not just outright be like no way, no way,
we can't do it, because what are you?
Speaker 1: I considered? So I do want to point out this
is the this is the best reason I've heard for
the Clippers to trade for Melow from Ali and the Comments,
which is used to play with Mellow at twenty four
hour fitness in Chino Hills when he was twelve. Love it,
totally understand what you wanted them on. I he's from Calie,
get him on the team. That's where I'm at right now.
Let's just get guys. So my thing with Lamello, my
thing with LaMelo is it's just it's the ankle stuff. Dude,
He's had two surgeries on the same ankle. He's already
had to sit out five games this season due to
ankle soreness on that same ankle, and like that, and
like it's I know the Young, but it also feels
like we're we're in this again, the hellscape that I
had earlier, where it's like Trey Young or LaMelo, Like
it feels like we're looking at this this fork in
the road and we're getting a flat tire on both
on whichever one we pick. But it's just like a
different or we're getting some kind of car issue. Whichever
we choose.
Speaker 2: You're getting a flawed player. Because that's why they're available
to begin with. People are like, well, I don't want
him he's doing this wrong and that wrong. It's like, yeah,
that's why he's available. Yeah, it would never be that issue.
What you're hoping for is in Lamello's case, he's twenty four, right,
he can get a change of scenery. Charlotte has been
bad for a while and poorly run. You dip him
in Clippers culture, you hope get him.
Speaker 3: The drivers in super cannot driving in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: But how about this? What if and maybe this is
too dubree, which check me if it is, what if
by the time he gets here, the Clippers culture needs
some kind of hard reset. I don't think he's got
a culture.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just.
Speaker 1: It's a really fun culture with tattoos.
Speaker 3: No, we keep Nico forever.
Speaker 1: Nico's I mean, Nico is his vet.
Speaker 2: Sure. Culture is often often can be built though with
role players with steady vets. It's like you can bring
in that your system. That's not it's I know, there's
nothing to dumor right now, to tumor to not be
able to bring up I think it's warranted. I think
there's there's tons of questions about LaMelo.
Speaker 1: So since LaMelo does not he put the kebash on
the trade ideas. Do we think, yeah, A, we'll see,
but do we think this front off it? Like I
have gone from thinking a that maybe they I don't
think they'll make a move to save the season, because
I don't think that move exists.
Speaker 3: It doesn't exist.
Speaker 1: There's not there, our seats getting a little warm somewhere.
We've seen no improvement.
Speaker 3: So I'll say it, I don't think that they Like, I.
Speaker 1: Don't think they fire anyone mid season because that would
not make things any better. I don't think as much
as you hate TYLERU getting in not you too obviously.
Speaker 5: Yea, but like when does when you like underachieve to
this extent though, Like the easiest move to make it
look like you're doing something is always going to be
firing the coach. So like, from that perspective, I think
it's possible. Do I see this four and eleven as
being like, like I can point to Tylos that's the
reason for this not in my opinion.
Speaker 3: Do I think that there are issues? Yeah, but it's
also so personnel driven.
Speaker 1: They are short horribly this.
Speaker 3: Script.
Speaker 5: Every single year you see a team far underperforms expectations.
They can't trade their way out of it. Like there
you know, there's no way to make it, so they
fire the coach like that's that's what you do.
Speaker 2: You see it often though with more unstable organizations. Typically.
The Denver Nuggets move was a big one late last season,
and the difference there was I think they felt like
Mike Malone had lost the locker room. He was airing
guys out, and it was what is he really doing?
Because we're still really bad every time Niko jokicch is
off the floor, and it has been like this for years,
like they are historically going through these huge swings. Whenever
jokicch is off the floor, they're twenty points worse per
one hundred possessions and stuff like that. Now, part of
that was on the GM too, But until the team
I think clearly tunes out coach lou and he loses
the locker room, I would not make a move like
that because they aren't. It's this is less about not
being able to coach guys up. It's the guys that
are out there just aren't as talented right now.
Speaker 1: And to your point of guys like rejecting Tyler or
something like that, we would be able to tell that.
Speaker 3: Some fans think we're there to be fair.
Speaker 5: So I'm seeing that on Twitter all the time, like
that this guy has lost the lot.
Speaker 2: That's not what I'm here years ago. Jack, Sorry, My point.
Speaker 1: Is James Harden, of all players, if he is done
with a coach, you will know if James Harden is
done with a coach. You know what I'm saying. The
way that he responds to things that like you've we've
all seen the get like, he's an expressive guy. If
he were to be done or not feeling.
Speaker 2: Great his last days in Houston, we would know.
Speaker 1: I think I think we would know. I will say
Tyler had that little laugh to the law Murray question
about like trying to keep the guys like how do
you keep it from falling together? And ty kind of
put his head down and like chuckled, and I that
that to me is the first kind of like, oh,
he's obviously we know he's frustrated. But it felt of course,
of course he's frustrated. That to me felt like, uh,
maybe something to keep an eye on because he's obviously trying.
I didn't know if that was an I'm exhausted from
trying so much or these guys aren't necessarily getting it
type thing. I just didn't know, I think, and.
Speaker 5: I think too, like if we had stayed healthy and
we were seeing what like the on court product that
we saw on the floor early, then I would think, yeah,
Tylu should be in the hot seat because that did
not look like a team that was like on the
same page.
Speaker 3: That did not look like a team that was together.
Speaker 2: If he had all his pieces and they were four
and eleven, I'd be like, Okay, then it's probably other guys.
They were three and three with Kawhi. That's not good,
but it's not one in five and it's not that
out of the ordinary to get off to a slow
start like that and then for them to figure it out.
If they had Kawhi this entire time and they were
still four on eleven, that's where I'd really be like,
this guy is following something doesn't smell right here, and
the guy.
Speaker 1: Who was supposed to be the starting shooting guard.
Speaker 2: And the starting shooting guard like like they have had
to adjust in a major way. I think Coach Lou
is really frustrated because once again he doesn't have his
guys and he's being judged so harshly when he doesn't
have his guys, and he said, this.
Speaker 1: Is the other part. So if you're him, you're like,
there's some shit. You guys could also do a little
better individually. That's making things.
Speaker 2: Harder, the turnovers, And he is stressed that this has
been an.
Speaker 1: Issue like defensive communication.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like, honestly, I think he's right. Coach Lou
has said that, you know, we just can't turn the
ball over, like we can't have these live ball turnovers
because the idea of us being a good transition defense
just isn't there. It's not built into this team because
they're older. It's just not going to happen. So you
can't have twenty one turnovers like they did again Orlando,
leading to forty one past breakpoints. But for anybody that's
saying like they tuned out, Oh I've seen them tune out,
I would call bullshit on that to this point, to
this point, I would call it could change, it could change,
We'll see. I would call bullshit because I can bring evidence.
They were down twenty four in Boston. They were down
twenty four in Boston, and they battled back. They had
every reason to pack it in and say we got
a game tomorrow, forget it. We're not gonna We're not
gonna fight here, and they did. Now you could say
the game yesterday, was that a lack of fight or
a lack of effort or they just get out talented
and it just the Orlando Magic were top five and
transition points going into that game. The Clippers turn it
over a bunch. It's a recipe for disaster. That's what
I'm seeing. But if things change, because I thought I
found that postgame interview, in that question from law also
to be an eyebrow changer. Let me see if things change,
that is something to monitor. I would say this. The
other thing that was a piece of evidence to me
was this was on the day that Lawrence Frank had
the presser regarding Bradley Beal, and then Lawrence Frank speaks
pregame two and they're asking him about the team and
he's like, guys, we've been here before, We've turned it around.
And he was just asked, yeah, and like, basically, you're
somewhat a victim of your own success for getting by
without your star players for so long as the Clippers
have that, we have this standard, Like I don't care
if you don't have Kauai I figure it out like
you have in the past. It's like, this is typically
what happens when you don't have your best player for
long stretches. That's what's happening right now. But the one
thing he said to me that was concerning was I
think it was Justin Russo who asked him about do
you have a vote of confidence right now from Steve
Baum and from Lawrence Frank what if they said to you?
And he said, like they told me I'm the right
guy for this, and he started talking about how yes,
they do have confidence in him, We've been here before.
And at the very end of that statement, coach Lou said,
but we'll see, that's what he said. But we'll see
with the very last thing he said there.
Speaker 1: That might be a press tick too, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2: From media training stuff.
Speaker 1: The butt We'll see, Hey, it's realistic.
Speaker 2: That was the first time I was like, huh, pragmatic,
and then yesterday was another one.
Speaker 1: I found it will is back.
Speaker 2: See then people just say that comeback was nothing. Boston
let off the gas. It's like that's bs, Boston not
let off the gas. They almost lost that game. The
Clippers had a wide open three pointer at the end
of it, like those are just people who have agendas
against coach lou All right.
Speaker 1: Let me, we're gonna play this.
Speaker 3: New do it every single time?
Speaker 1: How you need to be doing that? The question a
lot for.
Speaker 3: This team right now.
Speaker 4: Like you said, often playing and getting good for good
quarters seems to be challenging, getting the attention to detail.
Speaker 3: And having a stick. It's not like.
Speaker 4: You're coaching a rookies team, you know, Like how how
does how does that kind of stabilize in the short term?
Speaker 1: We gotta be better.
Speaker 2: I think part of that, I interpret that part of
that is like we don't have our guys right now.
It is not an easy fixed I don't have the
ball handlers. We can't do what we want to do.
Speaker 1: Right Like the frustration that is the most frustrated I
think you will see TYLERU And I don't mean that
as a knock. He's a very like you know what
I mean, Like he cracks jokes him doing that frustrated laugh.
We've all kind of known people like that. I think
that's as frustrated as we'll see him.
Speaker 2: People judge him too much on and it's because it's
what you only see postgame. You don't know what's going
on behind the scenes. I would tell people, first of all,
watch him on the sidelines and the way he coaches.
He doesn't just sit there or sit down like Phil
Jackson the entire game or anything like that. He's up,
he is animated. He is arguing with the officials. And
you may remember a game, was it last season or
the season before where he got kicked out before the
All Star break against the Golden State Warriors. Yeah, and
there is a postgame video of Coach Lou saying like
and he apologized for being too heated afterwards, but he
said something like I'd kicked that referee or something like that.
It got caught on camera.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fine, yeah.
Speaker 2: Right, and he was heat of battle all that. Like
if if you think Coach Lou was always that guy
at the podium post game, that is all common cool
and he's never firing brimstone with his guys behind the scenes,
I got news for you, it is not always like that.
I don't I know. DeMarcus Cousins was on the team
for twenty five games or whatever it was, and he
was like, there needs to be more percents of b he.
Speaker 1: Cooked Dario Sarich in that series again, h never forget.
Speaker 2: It's like, so you're criticizing him for being calm and
cool on your way to the Western Conference Finals without Kawhi,
where we all think they probably win the championship that season.
It's like they got by pretty well with that common cool,
no urgency head coach, wou seem like like, if that's
what you're criticizing, I don't know. I like Doug Christie
had said this last night, Doug Christie, did you guys
see that a week ago, the way he lit up
the King's post game?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: You know what's happened since then, five more losses and
getting smoked. His team hasn't responded at all. They've If anything,
they look like a team that's giving up right now.
That's what that looks like. So just having a guy
that has more fire, I don't think that's the cure. All.
It's a cure because there is none, because there's too
many issues going on. And if you want to simplify
it to just being coach.
Speaker 1: Lou, I wish it were just coach. How about that
hot take? I wish the one problem. I wish there
was one problem and it could be any I wish
there was one problem to fix, clue. But if it
was like we just, we'd be great if we didn't
have this guy, but great easy.
Speaker 3: Like look, dude, the roster is so broken.
Speaker 1: Thank you Michael Scott in the comments. I just which
is also a bit of a surprise. We knew coming
into the season that transition, defense and turnovers were going
to be an issue. But now it's like, oh, every
single person I think, Adam you said this last week,
every single persons taking a step back or is playing poorly.
At the exact same time, you could.
Speaker 5: Get Time Machine taking mushrooms, Phil Jackson in here. It
wouldn't change anything, dude, we'd.
Speaker 1: Be four to eleven. Wait a second, that's a good idea.
He lives in Montana. We've known someone who knows him.
Speaker 2: Probably I think, well, he's in a TP. The thing is,
I said it last week. I think the expression the
hole is greater than the some of its parts. It's
it's lesser with this team right now.
Speaker 1: We were on fire with the metaphors.
Speaker 2: They're hurting each other, like every guy's weakness is compounding
by the guy next to them. You know, nobody's covering
for one another. I do think still you get Kawhi back,
and like he did earlier in the season, they were
three and three. That's not great. But we've also seen
them get off the slow starts before. And I'm not
judging everything like they're a five hundred team with Kawhi
because they played six games with him so far.
Speaker 1: What is up with Kawhi? For those who missed it,
no contact in practice. He remains limited. Law Murray doesn't
think he plays this weekend. Tyler said he did a
few things. He's definitely gotten better. I don't know how
long it's gonna be, but he's definitely gotten better. Just
seeing him on before yesterday was really good to see
that last sentence. I have heard one hundred and fifty
times in my life as a Clippers fan. When is it?
When's he coming back?
Speaker 2: Laurence Lawrence said it to that press conference. I'm not
sure if you said significant foot sprain, but there was
something like it was more severe the ankle led to
spraying the foot, and that's the real issue. And now
people are showing a lot of Theapruder film pictures and
it's like, damn, that looks bad.
Speaker 1: They missed our seeks.
Speaker 2: There's like real grainy, up close four K phantom cam
photos or whatever, and you can see the eyes in
pain when he rolled that thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Bad, it looked like it went upside down, Like it's bad.
Speaker 1: So like we're not gonna get any Also, there's this
thing that's been happening with Clippers fans where they're like,
when are we gonna get a real update from the
medical team, my my brotherdom and Clippers fandom never? I know,
it's frustrating. Throw that belief out the window. You're not
gonna get.
Speaker 2: And they don't have it, And I would advise them
go ass Laker fans, how forthright their medical team is
or anybody else's like this is sports, Like this is
what it is in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: It sucks ass everybody.
Speaker 3: And I agree that.
Speaker 5: You know, you're a little bit more salty about it
as a Clippers fan, I mean.
Speaker 1: Because it happens constantly.
Speaker 5: Well why and Kawhi just being listened as questionable when
we all knew he was never gonna play another game
in that postseason? Uh, but like this is one of
those situations where you just never know. We started as
an ankle sprain, but it was bad enough that it
became like a foot injury.
Speaker 2: Look at that.
Speaker 1: It looks horrible, dude, Like we.
Speaker 2: Might be lucky he didn't break his ankle.
Speaker 1: He looks so bad.
Speaker 2: That's about as unnatural as he can get.
Speaker 1: So brutal. I'm not laughing at I'm just laughing at
how my foot so in this situation, for my foot,
it would it would have popped up and then kicked
me in the chin. My foot would have come off
and then kicked me in the chin. We cannot enhance
the twitter. Twitter sucks. Yeah, so we don't know how
long he's going to be out.
Speaker 2: He's on the trip. As you mentioned, non contact practice
for him lost that he'd be surprised if he played
this weekend. We know he's out for tomorrow's game, so
maybe at best we're looking at the Laker game.
Speaker 1: Well, that's the most important one because it's the only
thing we can win this year in the NBA Cup.
Speaker 2: Do see it that way?
Speaker 1: Okay? What else could we in this year? I guess
this is my follow up question.
Speaker 2: The.
Speaker 3: Fellas get a new Toyoda?
Speaker 2: Dude?
Speaker 1: Do that'd be fun? Only if l O L W
T F Eric paints a sweet mural on the hood
of mine. It literally went back into the left. Speaking
of Zapruter, Yeah, it went back into the left.
Speaker 2: It actually looks more gruesome to me. That's terrible.
Speaker 1: Miles Johnson saying the idea that Kawhi is saving this
team is laughable. He should get healthy and come back
when he's right.
Speaker 2: Uh sure, yeah, I don't know about.
Speaker 3: Us.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, no, no, no no, just don't play back
to backs when he comes back.
Speaker 2: Well, the NBA is about to change that as soon
as the Kawhi Leonard era has done.
Speaker 1: Apparently the real issue is AAU basketball and how many
miles these kids have on them before they get to college.
Speaker 2: This fucking ESPN article has been out since twenty nineteen
with doctors talking about this stuff, and now everybody's like,
what's going on. I don't get it. It's like what
they're playing year round at a young age specialized sports.
Speaker 1: Now the Netflix doc on AAU will make you want
to like burn like it's the worst thing in the world, dude, Like.
Speaker 2: Like, listen to Kobe Bryant talk about it, like he's
like unsure what I've been able to play twenty years
if I had to do this. Kobe said that, right,
the ultimate competitor wants to play every practice like it's
game seven.
Speaker 1: Six foot eight Kobe.
Speaker 2: He was six to seven at least.
Speaker 1: Six seven on that one card.
Speaker 2: It's on video on NBC. The inter game introductions, what
what are we doing if they lose tomorrow?
Speaker 1: What's like, does anything change?
Speaker 3: Does?
Speaker 1: And I mean this is I.
Speaker 2: Would be concerned if they lost tomorrow, if they got
smoked tomorrow by Charlotte, by bad Charlotte. I would be
concerned for people. When you brought up hot seed earlier, like,
that's what it's like.
Speaker 1: Well, we don't we usually, we don't usually win the
audition game.
Speaker 3: That's true, and right, something to it.
Speaker 1: That's something to it. Isn't someone coming back for the
Hornets too?
Speaker 2: Brandon Miller?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Awesome, So we have gotten Brandon Miller, Chet Holme, Grin,
Paul George, get the fuck out of here, Balloons. Don't
patronize me. We're the team that you come back against
because we're slow. It's my new bit, not gonna be
a lot of running. We're slow.
Speaker 2: What is the horn I don't know teams. Also, there's
an innate part to basketball, where so the Hornets. They
are nineteenth and pace tomorrow they'll be number one. But
there is basketball, and like its purest form. And I
remember this one Dan Tony bringing seven seconds or less
in that European style and all these things. Basketball is
purest form. Guys want to play fast like it is
fun to play fast.
Speaker 1: It's like a sled dog thing. They want to run.
Speaker 2: Yeah, nothing runs like a deer. NBA players not anymore if.
Speaker 1: You know anything about tractors. But that's a different pod.
That's a Patreon, that's Patreon content.
Speaker 2: I know they have an earnings report.
Speaker 1: Next week, but those are canceled.
Speaker 2: If you're saying, hey, let's play fast and let's run
these guys out of the gym. They're old and slow
to a team that is red meat like. So the
Clippers are old and slow at the wrong time in
the league to be that too. Now, I still think
there's gonna be some regression with pace, Like I don't
think the Miami Heat are gonna end up at a
one o six per one hundred posession or they get
one hundred and six possessions per game by the end
of the season. There will be some Maybe Clippers feel
like we could wait it out a little bit and
just hang around five hundred.
Speaker 1: But do we think there's more teams Like obviously like
the one oh six or whatever is not gonna hold over,
But do we think there's gonna be more teams over
one oh one or something this year than yeah, you
know what I'm saying, Like.
Speaker 2: And that's sure half because last year there were three
teams that ended at one o three Right now this
year there's one, two, three, four, five, So there's only
five right now. Actually I thought it was it was more.
I think we looked at this like a week ago
and it.
Speaker 1: Goes on, it has.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a touch were counting on that about that.
Speaker 1: What if the Clippers slow down as the season goes on?
Speaker 2: Is that?
Speaker 1: Yes? I think so. Harden's having to carry his usage.
The other night was like his usage keeps going up
every game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me tell you something. Harden is not finishing
the year with the numbers that he has right now.
It's not going to happen at the age of thirty six.
Speaker 1: And again, we should just take a check because Will
made us do this last episode, and I think it
was right. We do just gotta He's doing so much
for this shut out chips.
Speaker 3: I know everything is craft.
Speaker 1: Right now, I know everything is literal garbage.
Speaker 3: But he's really he's really giving us all.
Speaker 1: He's making it nice garbage. Yeah, he's making it that
kind of garbage you take out and you don't get
anything anywhere.
Speaker 3: It's like you said, just doesn't even stink crazy.
Speaker 2: He said Paul's game regarding the losing kind of matter
of factly, like, well, yeah, we're missing. We're trying to
kind of figure this thing out on the fly right now.
I don't think there is shocked that they're losing games,
as most of the fans are considering just availability issues.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Zoo sounded pretty dejective the other night talking about.
Speaker 2: The defense Zoo always does. Now he wears his heart
on his sleeve. Yeah, he's one.
Speaker 3: He's always spinning defense on the court.
Speaker 1: So the quote that I was I think we were
talking about from about Harden. Justin Rousseau put out a
great article again, the Clippers might be bad on the court,
but the reporters off the quarter Fantastic Present Company included, uh,
James Harden's career best efficiency is being wasted on a
team going nowhere fast. Clippers not named Harden are shooting
thirty five percent on threes. Harden represents thirty three percent
of the team's total free throws, too.
Speaker 3: Sounds about right who else he's getting there.
Speaker 1: He's averaging twenty six and a half points, eight point
six assists, six point two rebounds, and he has a
sixty three percent true shooting percentage that would mark would
be the highest of his career as a starter.
Speaker 2: If you want to dumb everything down to the One
of the biggest reasons that they're four and eleven. So
the Clippers are shooting thirty six percent from the field,
which is like around twentieth and teams against them are
shooting thirty nine point two percent. That went up almost
a full percent after yesterday's game against the Magic, it
was at thirty eight point three percent. The Magic went
like sixteen of thirty four from the or eighteen of
thirty four from the outside and had their best shooting game.
It went up almost a full percent. So they're not
hitting threes, teams are hitting everything against them like it's
a recipe for disaster.
Speaker 1: The three thing is crazy. Someone I think Lot Murray
talked about guards getting really comfortable around the Clippers defense
and everything like that, Like it just what is it?
We got done out there, we got Zoo out there.
We should be able to cobble together. Not a bottom
ten defense, tjj whentheld.
Speaker 2: It tells you how connected you have to be. It
tells you how connected you have to be. But even
when DJ was there, they were still bottom five. Like,
I'm not saying that that's not his fault. I'm saying
they are not working together as a cohesive unit.
Speaker 1: People are in the chat talking about uh, Zoo has
been entitled this season crying for fouls. I think that
is a sign. I think that is one of Zoo's
frustration ticks and a tired tick and a fatigue tick. Yeah,
like he argues when he's tired and when things aren't
going well, and things have not been going well for
most He's also like people Twitter, Clippers, Twitter is inherently
negative and they're like, he's been garbage this season. He
hasn't been garbage this season, but he hasn't been the Zoo.
He took such a good leap last year. He's getting
BBoy votes and chatter and it's just like, damn you
would you want the assertion to be a little he's
more there.
Speaker 2: Wild.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we want the assertiveness to be back a little bit.
I think is what like if if, Because if if
he was playing at a level as he was last year,
this team just does look better.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 5: Look, the thing is is he's the second best player
on the team right now, and I think I think
that he could be showing that a little bit more.
Speaker 3: On the court.
Speaker 1: Well, tied with Kobe Sanders. Of course, Uh, Clippers just
need to use the power of friendship and they will
be fine. Alex Web says that is actually a good call,
that's a great idea. Arth wants to know if Adam
would try in zoobots for KAMINGA.
Speaker 2: No, no, that's what the fuck.
Speaker 1: You get out of this chat. And I think I
talked about this a little bit the last time a
couple episodes ago. They've all run together. Because the results
continue to be the same, what are we looking for
to improve on?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: What is the first thing? I guess we want to
see for things to let us know that maybe it's good.
Speaker 2: They have no shot a winning if they don't take
care of the basketball, they don't have a shot. And
they have been better before yesterday, they had been better.
I think they only had ten turnovers against Philly. The
game before that, turnovers were close to ten against Boston.
The recipe for getting blown out for this Clippers team
is to turn the basketball over. Because I still felt
like at times in that game against Orlando yesterday, I
was like them, they're playing great half court defense. Like
there were some possessions they were so good defense.
Speaker 1: A little bit the Clippers were just not able to
take advantage of. Like the Clippers started, they were shooting
so bad, but they were it wasn't out of reach.
Speaker 2: No, it was the turnovers. They had eight in the
second quarter, leading the thirteen points, and they got down
by twelve at the half when it was a one
point game midway through the second.
Speaker 1: Well, the offense can't go on runs. What's the longer?
Speaker 3: Well, how can you go on a run if you're
turning the ball over right? Third possession?
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I'm trying to pull up half court defense and
see where they ranked there, because I'm pretty sure it's
probably top ten maybe better. But that's like their half
cour defense. Well, I'll just say, like you uh, I
mean maybe like you know, six or seventh thre a's.
Speaker 1: Ten to five. Yeah, yeah, turnovers. Let's fix that someone
else hitting a shot. Yeah, is one that I'm like,
and I know that like losing Derek J. Junior's brutal.
He was on such a good start to the year.
I would love for Collins to shoot a little bit better.
I would love for.
Speaker 2: Collins needs to play better. Forget shooting better, Like just
play better.
Speaker 1: Just play better at Will's bugaboo not very good for
John Collins too much well, And I think Tyler's drawing
up some like La Clippers soon brought it up. He's
like he's kind of trying to put like the ball
in his hands a little bit, and it's like, don't
do that.
Speaker 3: Like, No, I think we've moved past that.
Speaker 1: I would hope. Okay, we have to talk about this
a little bit, the trade stuff. J T seven oh
four nine. I'm not coming at you specifically about this,
but this has been a thing where it's it's this
sentiment that, like the Clippers can get a haul for Harden.
Speaker 5: Ay, not before the trade deadline. That's when these big
deals happen.
Speaker 1: Right, you can't be traded until December fifteenth either, So
if you want to trade hard and you gotta wait
a little bit. I just don't think there's a haul there.
We've talked about this, like there's not. There's one first
round pick waiting for James Harden from a good team,
from a good team, and then we're getting filler a
lot to fill the salary. Right, Oh, a thing we overlooked.
This was actually I think this is why every single
person tuned in. The Clippers applied for a disabled player
exception for Bradley Beal.
Speaker 3: Which is only like it's two point seven million dollars
or something, right, it's like half his salary.
Speaker 1: Yes, two point six seven seven it's available until March ten.
The Clippers are currently only one point three million under
the first Apron hardcap. A hard cap can't be exceeded
for any reason, even by using a disabled player exception. Great,
so fuck yeah, Oh nothing good's happening this season. We're
getting the disabled player exception for Bradley Beal.
Speaker 3: Does that make you think they.
Speaker 2: Say that again?
Speaker 3: Does that make you think they've got their eyes on
a potential trade?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: The fact that they're asking for that, I think it's
just due diligence. I wouldn't look to I think.
Speaker 1: It's I think it's Mark Will's like, let me rotate
my camera and show you my poster board string and
some and some photographs I've gonnage.
Speaker 3: Now, how much do you know about Terrence Howard math?
You understand a little bit of that heard of math.
Speaker 1: But Terrence Howard has some great ideas about math. Oh yeah,
I don't know. How do they get It's so frustrating
because it's that problem of how do they get better?
They simply play better. You hit more shots, you stop
turning the ball over, you communicate a little more on
the transition defense, and someone other than Brook Lopez makes threes.
I also think when we discuss this team that James
Harden should be removed kind of you know what I'm saying,
Like it's like he is carrying the offense right now.
There are some flaws. There are some lazy turnovers, but
I don't lazy is not the right word. There are
some exhausted turnovers, yeah, from James Harden. So at this
point it's like that you have to live with you
have to. We have to live with it. Let me
change the bat best option, it's our best option, and
there's no one else who can help it.
Speaker 2: Evidently, Bogey has got to be better more consistently.
Speaker 1: Can JVG suit up, take a charge? Fire the guys up,
just take one. Do you think his body would explode
if he took a charge from an NBA player in
a game?
Speaker 5: Do you think he's made the guys give their shirts
back because they haven't been following it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, they had a shirt burning.
Speaker 1: He goes, here's a seam ripper. Everyone go ahead and
take the last name off your jersey.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a dishonorable general and they just rip
it off.
Speaker 1: Do they even.
Speaker 2: What if instead of a cherry picker on offense, we
always have a guy back for defense.
Speaker 1: Dude, I'm in because honestly, the offense has already one
verse five anyway, right, Like, the offense is already hardened.
Speaker 3: So let's just why let's has anyone the reverse?
Speaker 1: The reverse Jerry pick is so good. Yeah, let's have
let's put so who who's are we putting Collins back there?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Sanders rookie Duty's rookie duty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got it. He's got plenty Mary pick.
Speaker 3: You're picking it out of the box. It's coming out
of the bottom. It's opposite.
Speaker 1: Cry pick. Oh all right, we should actually do that, though,
I think, Adam, I think we should that. You proposed.
Speaker 2: You get the f back, You get the f back.
You just stay back, all right?
Speaker 1: Hey, ty, Adam oslin uhy in five seventy, have you
guys considered maybe just putting like Kobe Sanders behind the
half court line on offense? Okay? So, Jimmy Chong of
twenty three, I think it's kind of new to the streams.
Thanks for hanging out said. Is that even illegal? It's
a it's one hundred percent legal.
Speaker 2: I mean, there are slow centers that just run up
in that spot sometimes, but they're like a half court
I'm saying, you just stay back.
Speaker 1: You're in the door, you're on the key, you're yeah, wait,
could you wait? How about this? Could they get a
defensive three seconds if you're down there?
Speaker 2: I have bad news. Oh no, I have have real
bad news. This is shocking to me.
Speaker 1: Is it illegal?
Speaker 2: No? But for what I can tell, it looks like
they're twenty sixth in half court defense. Man, I told
you it.
Speaker 1: Wasn't good, dude. I don't know why you think it was.
Speaker 2: I don't know what happened.
Speaker 1: Did you have it set to twenty twenty four to
twenty five. Uh maybe, Hey, I've been there filters man.
Speaker 2: Oh oh no, this is just oh it's from October.
I got it from October first to October twenty fifth.
Why why does it automatically go there? It's not to
do it and give me the full season that day?
Is it today?
Speaker 1: It's even engineered to make the Clippers look bad. Bro,
It's like a whole systematic thing.
Speaker 2: Okay, hold on, I got I got an updated. I
got an update here? And do I want to go
October first? Is that going to give me preseason games? Like?
Speaker 1: Come on, uh, it's still preseason though, Like we got
time to figure it out before the before the real
shit starts.
Speaker 3: I mean, the NBA doesn't start until after Christmas.
Speaker 1: Everybody knows that win should only count when a certain percentage,
when the NBA gets a certain percentage of Nielsen ratings. Yeah,
because the Clippers are as we go off, That's what
I'm worried about.
Speaker 3: What about the viewership numbers?
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what fucking good luck to anyone
playing us in March, bro eighteen of zero. We're gonna
shock the world.
Speaker 3: The teams are going to be too tired to run
against us.
Speaker 1: What the hell? What the hell is going on? Kobe
Sanders putting up sixteen and six? Okay, what are they? Adams?
Speaker 2: I don't know. Still, it's like I can't.
Speaker 1: I don't think the numbers are good, is what I'm
thinking here.
Speaker 2: They may not be. Coach Loos still thought they were
good last night. They look at the numbers.
Speaker 1: Okay, someone's trying to send us a three team trade
via chat. We're not We're not tired about that. Send
us the screenshot of the trade failing?
Speaker 2: Is it Joseph?
Speaker 1: It is not Joseph.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: It doesn't feel great right now.
Speaker 2: No, but they better win tomorrow, dude.
Speaker 1: If they lose tomorrow. Also full disclosure, just so listeners
and in viewer see it's grizz Cat. Tomorrow it's the
one hundred and twenty fourth meeting of um Verse Montana State.
I will be watching grizz Cat at eleven. Justin Russeau
just texted me he's watching the program. He's a freak.
I have a stat for the podcast if you guys
want it right now. Sure of course we do.
Speaker 2: I haven't got a text back from him since twenty
twenty four.
Speaker 1: Okay, here we go, the best team in the NBA
on catch and shoot threes is the Houston Rockets, and
they are shooting forty two point two percent. The Clippers
are allowing teams to shoot forty two point two percent
on catch and shoot threes. So the Clippers are allowing
teams to be the best catch and shoot three team
in the league.
Speaker 2: That's gotta be Now, how many of those are open threes? Like,
I'm trying to think of shot variance here.
Speaker 5: Too many the percentages got a balance out there, right.
Speaker 2: I was trying to look at open threes and wide
open threes and I didn't see anything that was a
major outlier. The other day like thinking, oh, the Clippers
are just getting you know, tough luck because they're hitting
everything on open threes against them versus other teams, I'm
not seeing that right now. Yeah, but that's still catch
and shoot. They're getting the worst luck there. But how
many of them are open?
Speaker 1: I'm telling Rissa that you said it's luck, It just
like doesn't. Wait, Alex Webb, where did you go to schools?
Speaker 3: Hopped in here and fixed the Clippers?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Should we say, is anyone in here? Wait? So do
you guys really not know about the Brawl of the wild.
Do you guys want to take an or hour talking
about griz cat Montana versus Montana State? Montana has what
is evil? Yeah? One is a piece of ship who
had a coaching traffic math on their plane, and one
is the University of Montana, the greatest schools. No scandal,
famously no scandals. Everything's great. Yeah. So what do because
they play the Calves on Sunday, do we think they
get the dub and clean. I just, dude, I think
maybe the rest of the season all just become like
lunatic like radio guy or like like like Cleveland Brown's
hyper local radio guy who just like doesn't remember what's
happened the day before. And I'm just like, how do we.
Speaker 5: Think that's the way to treat the rest of the
season for everyone?
Speaker 3: Just pretend you have a head injury every day, brand
new day.
Speaker 1: I think the Clippers are playing bad enough that we
should make them wear those gray Pleasantville jerseys they had
to wear that one season.
Speaker 3: No, I don't want that.
Speaker 1: I don't want it either.
Speaker 3: It hurts my eyes.
Speaker 1: Play better. Sorry, go ahead, Adam, you look like you
wanted to say something.
Speaker 2: No, man, I really don't.
Speaker 1: I really don't.
Speaker 2: I look like I don't want to say anything more
about this. Airs. I'll say win tomorrow when tomorrow against
Charlotte because the next two games are gonna be tough.
They better get this victory. Yeah, Charlotte's gonna be tough everything.
Speaker 5: This was the last time we were one and nine
in a ten game stretch.
Speaker 2: Twenty I'm guessing twenty seventeen to twenty eighteen because they
had a nine game losing streak, that's right, and they
still won forty two games. Yeah, sweet lou.
Speaker 1: God dude, sweet lose triple double off the bench. Chicago
is one of the greatest days of my life.
Speaker 2: I don't have a theory. No read this? Yeah no,
oh wait.
Speaker 1: Hold okay, Alex said Clippers will lose the weekend and
smoke the Lakers. NBA cut baby.
Speaker 3: We'll see you with the party.
Speaker 1: We'll see you with the party. Adam's not invited because
he think he says it doesn't count.
Speaker 3: Stupid.
Speaker 2: It's sup sorry me or Adam Silver.
Speaker 1: Now, Adam Silver thinks that counts all.
Speaker 3: And the oldest team should play an extra game.
Speaker 1: It doesn't count for it doesn't count towards anything. That
is useless.
Speaker 2: I do think it was a detriment to not have
the Lakers earlier in the schedule, considering the Clippers always
get up for the Lakers, like we needed them in
the first five games, Like that's the one team that
they typically would always get up for.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, do you want to say anything else
before we this old bad larrea up? What Adam?
Speaker 3: What's what's possible?
Speaker 1: I don't think we're not gonna make out him do that.
Speaker 2: It's alive. We don't do that a lot. And i'd
so much positive stuff already, there's been.
Speaker 1: A positive pod. I think maybe go ahead will.
Speaker 3: Could this season go so awride though that I don't know.
Kobe Sanders gets enough minutes to put up a forty
ball at some.
Speaker 1: Point, Yeah, I think it could go that arry we lose,
we lose by twelve, and Kobe Sanders has like forty four.
Speaker 2: And Bone should have a forty ball.
Speaker 1: Bone should have had a lot. Bone should have had
a lot more than what I think Bone's gonna end
up with, which is sad. All right, Well, maybe we'll
do a podcast on Monday. If they lose tomorrow, I
might hop on the Live Drunk from watching Griz Cat
life will be pain if they because they're gonna lose
at least one of these games. They're splitting this back
to back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's hope.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I should say at the very least they're splitting
this back to back? All right? They have they have
to see That's why I think do they?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean that in the most nihilistic way? Do they?
Speaker 2: When you're four and eleven? I don't know if you
can have any guaranteed wins?
Speaker 1: Do they have to split it? Has the team ever
traded the whole roster? We could have like thirty six
second round picks. You package twelve of those? All right,
everything's all to say, everything's on the table. We're gonna
do anything. We're gonna go on Patreon talking about John
Deere being not what it used to be. Thank you
for hanging out on the live If you're listening to this.
We're not gonna put an ad break in it, because
who cares at this point? Well, can people review this
podcast anywhere?
Speaker 3: Yeah? You know where to do it.
Speaker 1: Everyone knows. We all know what to do, and hopefully
the Clippers know what to do. Stop turning the ball over.
Make a damn shot.
Speaker 3: You know what to do, now do it.
Speaker 1: Now do it. It's the best advice of parents ever given.
Speaker 2: You.
Speaker 1: Thank you everyone to hung out in the chat. We
appreciate everybody. It was very fun. We will be back
at some point. We're gonna be a little spotty. Next
week there's a dinner oriented holiday that we have to
all prepare for. Hope everyone has a great weekend. Keep
it fun, keep it safe, and I have a great holiday.
Have more fun than the clippers. Just do that and
you will feel better. Thank you everybody. Bye.