1 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Well's your host. 2 00:00:16,039 --> 00:00:19,559 And as I mentioned in my last Tuesday show, the 3 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:23,920 survey came in. The listeners have spoken, So I am. 4 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:26,559 I started two shows a week and I'm going to 5 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,960 continue as we go along. However, there may be some 6 00:00:30,079 --> 00:00:33,759 changes in the Thursday evening show now and then I 7 00:00:33,799 --> 00:00:38,640 may put up some type of show that I have 8 00:00:38,679 --> 00:00:42,679 an interest in other than the topic of UFOs, And so, 9 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,880 you know, I mean sometimes I will say this, sometimes 10 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:48,719 I get very busy and I'm still, you know, a 11 00:00:48,799 --> 00:00:52,640 working person, not a regular job. I've an appraiser of 12 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,640 the antiques and fine art, so I still can get 13 00:00:55,719 --> 00:00:58,200 really busy, so busy that I won't be able to 14 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:00,560 do two shows a week. So just bear in mind 15 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:01,960 every once in a while I have to skip a 16 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,640 Thursday night, is what it boils down to. But I 17 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:08,319 love doing the show and our guest tonight is And 18 00:01:08,359 --> 00:01:10,519 by the way, as you can see in the background here, 19 00:01:10,719 --> 00:01:14,239 it's daytime. This is a daytime recording. As I always mentioned, 20 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,760 I never edit these, I just let them go. 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That's enough talking for me tonight, 44 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,240 so I'm going to bring in my guests. Welcome Danielle. 45 00:02:43,719 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 2: Yes, thanks for having me marsin. It's a great pleasure 46 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:47,599 to be on the show. 47 00:02:48,039 --> 00:02:51,159 Speaker 1: Well, thank you. And I know that it's better than 48 00:02:51,199 --> 00:02:52,680 being in the middle of the night for you, because 49 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:54,919 it was going to be I forget one o'clock in 50 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:55,520 the morning. 51 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 2: Or something, yeah, something like that one I am two am, yeah, 52 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:00,919 because I live in the UK, so yeah, it would 53 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:02,439 have been early as the morning for a live. 54 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 1: Show, right right, And you know what we were talking 55 00:03:07,039 --> 00:03:11,800 off there and up I had never somehow I had 56 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:16,840 never come across Nigel Kerner before, but I thought he 57 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:20,280 was fascinating. I've looked at some old interviewers unfortunately passed 58 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:24,840 away in twenty twenty two, but you were involved at 59 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,120 some point. Can you tell us a little how that helpened? 60 00:03:28,199 --> 00:03:28,800 That happened? 61 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:33,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, So I knew him for a very long time, 62 00:03:34,439 --> 00:03:37,199 met him first of all in the nineteen eighties. And 63 00:03:37,599 --> 00:03:39,599 the reason I got to know him, it's quite an 64 00:03:39,639 --> 00:03:43,360 interesting story. A friend of mine said, you've got to 65 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,719 meet this guy. And the reason why my friend said 66 00:03:45,759 --> 00:03:49,000 this was because I was having a kind of existential 67 00:03:49,039 --> 00:03:54,759 crisis at that time and I couldn't understand I realized 68 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,479 I accepted there had to be something beyond the physical 69 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:02,680 and this physical universe, this material existence wasn't all there was. 70 00:04:04,199 --> 00:04:08,759 But if there was a God or something that's existed 71 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:13,919 beyond this limited physical state, how could that God put 72 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:18,120 us here to suffer? Why wouldn't he just he or 73 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,839 it or whatever you want to call it, just have 74 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:24,160 a state of leave us in a state of per 75 00:04:24,319 --> 00:04:28,079 perfection as God himself or the good state of God 76 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:32,040 must be. Why get us to experience imperfection and all 77 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,399 the suffering and all the terrible things that happened to people. 78 00:04:34,879 --> 00:04:37,959 I was born Jewish, and the Jewish faith made very 79 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,680 little sense to me based on the Old Testament and 80 00:04:41,759 --> 00:04:44,199 the kind of God that's depicted in the Old Testament, 81 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:48,759 who's full of revenge vanity, killing people left, right and center. 82 00:04:49,319 --> 00:04:52,000 To this day, I cannot accept how I kind of 83 00:04:52,079 --> 00:04:55,759 understand how people can accept that kind of God could 84 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,759 possibly be something beyond the physical. To me, it seems 85 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:02,560 like something man made. But anyway, I knew there had 86 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,480 to be something, and I couldn't find an answer in 87 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:09,120 any of the religious texts that I'd looked at. So 88 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,360 my friends said, Okay, you've got to meet this guy, Nigel. 89 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,079 So I went to meet him and I told him 90 00:05:16,079 --> 00:05:18,959 my problem and he said, Okay, maybe I can answer 91 00:05:18,959 --> 00:05:23,480 your question. And he said, and this is actually the 92 00:05:23,519 --> 00:05:28,399 central thesis of all of his three books, because his books, 93 00:05:28,399 --> 00:05:32,600 although they seem the title, is related to the UFO 94 00:05:32,959 --> 00:05:36,839 alien phenomenon, he's one of the few authors who tries 95 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:42,000 to explain how that phenomenon came to be in existential terms, 96 00:05:42,639 --> 00:05:44,959 and how it relates to us, and how we came 97 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,759 to be, where we come from, and how that whole 98 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:58,920 pat of events and logic. That's a long story. Short 99 00:05:58,959 --> 00:06:01,759 what he said to me is that if there is 100 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,759 a God, and he called it Godness or the god verse, 101 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:10,439 because he didn't want to identify it as something like 102 00:06:10,639 --> 00:06:14,319 a person or human being, or to give it any 103 00:06:14,439 --> 00:06:17,759 kind of human trait that would identify it with something 104 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,360 that we might create, because that's been done all through 105 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:22,680 the ages, and all kinds of terrible things have been 106 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,879 done in the name of religion. So he called it 107 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:30,160 a state of perfection, god Verse or Godness. In that 108 00:06:30,199 --> 00:06:34,000 state of perfection, there would be perfect freedom, there have 109 00:06:34,079 --> 00:06:37,959 to be no limit, right. There would have to also 110 00:06:38,079 --> 00:06:42,959 be complete knowledge, complete awareness, of all things. Otherwise it's 111 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:47,360 not a perfect state. So complete awareness of everything and 112 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:51,680 perfect freedom, no limit whatsoever, this would have to be 113 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:58,040 a state of limitlessness, perfect union and harmony, no separation. 114 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:03,319 Our universe is characterized by limit, separation and parts we 115 00:07:03,399 --> 00:07:07,040 exist separately from each other. In this state, there is 116 00:07:07,079 --> 00:07:12,680 no separation. So his logic was, and it really struck 117 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,720 a chord with me, and to this day it seems 118 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,319 to me to be the best way to explain it. 119 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:23,600 His logic was, if there exists the perfect freedom to 120 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:27,680 do absolutely anything, that has to include the freedom to 121 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:31,959 no longer be perfectly free, Otherwise it's not perfect freedom. 122 00:07:32,839 --> 00:07:37,040 And if that state includes all awareness of all things, 123 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:42,639 that has to include the awareness of limit and separation 124 00:07:42,759 --> 00:07:46,519 as well. Otherwise it doesn't include all things. So our 125 00:07:46,639 --> 00:07:51,279 existence in this limited, physical, restricted state is based on 126 00:07:51,399 --> 00:07:56,720 the implicit potential in that state of limitless perfection to 127 00:07:57,279 --> 00:08:01,519 be perfectly free and to chew use to no longer 128 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:05,800 be perfectly free. It's an implicit situation. God didn't create us. 129 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,279 God didn't make us. DoD didn't put us here to 130 00:08:08,319 --> 00:08:10,639 suffer and watch the fun and see how we coped. 131 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:15,199 It just isn't it's the nature of existence that we're here. 132 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:22,879 It's a completely implicit thing, and it's very complex to 133 00:08:23,399 --> 00:08:26,560 describe the whole. You may have because you have the books, 134 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,160 maybe you've seen something. I'm sure you wouldn't have had 135 00:08:29,199 --> 00:08:33,039 time to read them. Of Nigel's description of what he 136 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:37,879 calls dimensionality. So how our three dimensional universe came to 137 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:42,080 be from this dimension less zero dimensional state. It's whole 138 00:08:42,159 --> 00:08:46,080 chapters devoted to it. But he describes how all of 139 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,200 that came to be in the kind of mathematical logic. 140 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:55,200 And yes, so basically he answered my question. We still 141 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,840 have free will as human beings, but we now have, 142 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:04,879 through our own choices, limited ourselves to have a restricted view, 143 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:08,200 so we can no longer see the glory we once 144 00:09:08,279 --> 00:09:14,279 came from. So that's in a nutshell, leaving out loads 145 00:09:14,279 --> 00:09:17,320 of stuff, but in a nutshell what he told me. 146 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,759 And after that we got talking about all kinds of things. 147 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:26,200 He was involved in writing his first book, which wasn't 148 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:28,440 actually Some of the Grays that was published. It was 149 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:33,080 another book called Margins Forever, which later it was never published, 150 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:36,320 but it got incorporated into the next three books. I 151 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,639 was so taken and inspired by his ideas that I 152 00:09:39,759 --> 00:09:48,399 helped him research them and also helped him get publishers 153 00:09:48,399 --> 00:09:51,080 for his books, and we just had a working relationship 154 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:55,080 which continued until he died in twenty twenty two. 155 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:59,919 Speaker 1: Wow. Very interesting. So how did he did Nigel first 156 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:04,639 become interested in and the connection of what he considered 157 00:10:04,759 --> 00:10:07,440 the great aliens and artificial intelligence? 158 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 2: Well, that's another interesting story. So his son, his second son, 159 00:10:16,159 --> 00:10:19,080 asked him when he was about twelve years old, Dad, 160 00:10:19,399 --> 00:10:22,159 are ufo is reel right? And it was on the 161 00:10:22,159 --> 00:10:25,080 tip of his tongue to say, don't be stupid. That's 162 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:29,159 just because in those days it was just considered totally 163 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:33,279 tinfoil hat, completely out there science fiction, right. And I 164 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,919 think most people would accept today that that's not the case. 165 00:10:37,039 --> 00:10:40,080 That we are beginning to realize, even in the mainstream, 166 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,360 that there has to be some kind of existence beyond 167 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,759 this planet and civilization beyond this planet. But in those 168 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,559 days it was very much considered a completely out there thing. 169 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:56,279 And Nigel prided himself on science. He'd studied medicine, and 170 00:10:57,039 --> 00:11:00,360 when his son asked him this question, he was just 171 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:04,360 about stateum, no, that's ridiculous. Of course, not when he thought, no, 172 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,799 that's not right. And he always said he had great 173 00:11:07,879 --> 00:11:13,120 respect for children's questions and he needed to give to 174 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:15,639 the honor do him, the honor of ask answering the 175 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,759 question properly by researching it and not just giving a 176 00:11:18,759 --> 00:11:23,240 prejudiced answer immediately. So he decided he'd look into it. 177 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,519 And when he looked into it, he was blown away 178 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,440 by what he found and what he not only in 179 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,519 terms of research, but the research led him to his 180 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:39,679 own logical conclusions, and one thing led to another, and 181 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:44,679 he himself began to believe that actually there was a 182 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:46,960 lot more to this than met the eye, and this 183 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:52,639 was almost certainly something that was absolutely real and also 184 00:11:52,919 --> 00:11:56,759 absolutely relevant to us as a human species. 185 00:11:58,879 --> 00:12:04,279 Speaker 1: You know, it's my and my better half. Donna had 186 00:12:04,399 --> 00:12:08,600 mentioned that when she was a little girl, her father 187 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,159 had some magazine and had something about flying safts of 188 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:16,480 UFOs in it, and her whole interest in this topic 189 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:21,639 began when she asked the question to him, are these 190 00:12:21,639 --> 00:12:26,200 things real? And he said, he said to her, I 191 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:29,559 don't know, No one really knows. This is back, you know, 192 00:12:29,639 --> 00:12:32,720 way back, and so that's what Like she just couldn't 193 00:12:32,759 --> 00:12:36,720 understand how like an adult didn't know the answer to 194 00:12:37,399 --> 00:12:41,200 that question, and so and I did hear Nigel. I 195 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:43,360 listened to an interview. I did hear him talk about 196 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:46,320 his son asking that. So I had forgotten about that. 197 00:12:46,919 --> 00:12:49,600 How he got, you know, interested in the whole thing 198 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:53,279 because of just a simple question. It's funny how like 199 00:12:53,919 --> 00:12:57,960 a question is sometimes how things you know, start, how 200 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:04,879 ideas start and or look into things. Yeah, so he was. 201 00:13:04,879 --> 00:13:07,799 Was he a medical doctor? He? 202 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:11,759 Speaker 2: So, he studied medicine for several years, but owing to 203 00:13:12,039 --> 00:13:15,559 family circumstances, he had to earn a living. It had 204 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:17,519 to give up what he was doing and start to 205 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:21,080 earn a living before he could qualify. But he did 206 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:24,080 study medicine for several years. Yes, and so he had 207 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:29,679 some knowledge and a science background anyway, leading up to 208 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:31,440 his writing these books. 209 00:13:31,639 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: Yes, I see. And are there any certain like any texts, 210 00:13:38,159 --> 00:13:41,240 ancient texts or anything that you know, kind of support 211 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:43,519 in some type of way some of his claims and 212 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:45,440 in these books. 213 00:13:47,639 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely so. Certainly in the Old Testament there's I mean, 214 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:57,480 this is I'm not saying anything new here, but there's 215 00:13:57,919 --> 00:14:02,440 many signs that something was going going on that resembled 216 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:07,360 something more that came from a technological civilization. Than something 217 00:14:07,399 --> 00:14:11,440 that came from beyond the physical universe. So the famous 218 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:17,159 Isekiel description of a spinning disc with like a wheel. 219 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:25,559 There's a story of the burning bush. There's been much 220 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:30,879 speculation that that's some kind of laser effect. The very 221 00:14:31,039 --> 00:14:36,960 nature of the Old Testament God resembles something that might 222 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:42,559 be doing some kind of experiment with people to somehow 223 00:14:42,639 --> 00:14:46,879 find out what it is that we as human beings 224 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:53,799 have that it doesn't have. There's also, of course seven 225 00:14:53,919 --> 00:14:57,519 thousand and eight thousand, nine thousand year old Aborigine paintings, 226 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:03,279 cave paintings which picture creatures look exactly, and they are 227 00:15:03,279 --> 00:15:05,120 actually the pictures of it in the book. I don't 228 00:15:05,159 --> 00:15:09,840 know if you have the pictures there resemble exactly, resemble 229 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:14,080 the grays. Show you the picture. 230 00:15:13,759 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: Here, you no, I know the ones you're talking about. 231 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 2: You know the ones? 232 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,759 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, yeah, I'll probably put that into the 233 00:15:21,799 --> 00:15:25,759 show notes, just to let the listener knows as we 234 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:29,919 go along here. So, yeah, the grace. This is the 235 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:31,919 one thing that I think is, you know a lot 236 00:15:31,919 --> 00:15:36,679 of people describe that they have encounters with grace. I mean, 237 00:15:36,679 --> 00:15:39,000 you hear this over and over and over again, and 238 00:15:39,039 --> 00:15:40,720 a lot of them are saying, well, they look like 239 00:15:40,799 --> 00:15:46,440 they don't have any emotion of any type, no, no mouth. 240 00:15:46,519 --> 00:15:49,159 A lot of times they'll say, you know, and just 241 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,679 sort of like a drone, you know, just like sort 242 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:58,480 of like a you would consider possibly a robot. And 243 00:15:59,159 --> 00:16:01,159 you know, I mean that's just what you hear. And 244 00:16:01,399 --> 00:16:04,519 so how did he come up with He thought these 245 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:08,960 could be you know, the the some type of what 246 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:14,600 do you call them row boys or something like that. 247 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 2: That's right, yes, an artificially intelligent, semi biological type of 248 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:23,159 creature or entity. Yeah, so he came up with this. 249 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:25,879 He was actually talking to me about this in the eighties, 250 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,159 and at that time there was, as far as I know, 251 00:16:29,919 --> 00:16:32,919 no one was saying it. Many many thinkers now believe 252 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:36,120 that this is the case, and that, as you mentioned 253 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:41,960 before the show, people like says Shostak and many other 254 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:46,440 scientists have said that if there were to be an 255 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:51,159 advanced technology more advanced than us, it would have to 256 00:16:51,279 --> 00:16:58,080 go to some kind of post physical, post mechanical type 257 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:02,279 stage and be some kind of artificially intelligent information field. 258 00:17:03,279 --> 00:17:08,279 It wouldn't be the kind of human or some kind 259 00:17:08,279 --> 00:17:11,519 of equivalent form of human life that would visit us 260 00:17:11,759 --> 00:17:14,680 it would be an artificially intelligent program, and we can 261 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,839 see how that is developing even with our own technology, 262 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,319 And it's not crazy to imagine that in the future 263 00:17:21,759 --> 00:17:25,440 we might send out artificially intelligent probes to explore other 264 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:28,559 locations in the universe. In fact, Elon Musk is already 265 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:35,599 trying to do something like that. So, but something possibly 266 00:17:35,839 --> 00:17:39,200 way beyond something anything we have ever conceived of before, 267 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:45,400 maybe an information artificially intelligent information field that can is 268 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:49,880 like a program that can somehow exist on a deeper 269 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:54,720 level than the physical, observable physical world we see and 270 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:59,960 in certain conditions like a three D complete D print 271 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:05,759 to print out these craft, these beings that there's no 272 00:18:05,839 --> 00:18:07,720 need maybe for them to travel through space. 273 00:18:08,839 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: Mhmm. 274 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:15,319 Speaker 2: Information can be anywhere, and quantum, the quantum field, which 275 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:20,640 is now accept to be the basic under base of reality, 276 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:27,079 would tend to suggest that that's most definitely within the 277 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:30,359 real relms of something that we can now see as possible. 278 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:34,039 Speaker 1: Yes, if we if we look at it's hard not 279 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:38,839 to compare ourselves, you know, as humans, with what something 280 00:18:38,839 --> 00:18:42,279 else might be. But if you do, you can see 281 00:18:42,319 --> 00:18:46,000 that right now we're on, you know, a race for 282 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:51,559 super intelligence, you know, artificial intelligence, and you know where 283 00:18:51,559 --> 00:18:55,880 the physical body may not even be necessary, you know 284 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,400 down the line, and there was a course of ray 285 00:18:59,759 --> 00:19:03,119 curve well occur as well. Always talked about the singularity 286 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,400 for years. You know, there's where it had to do 287 00:19:05,519 --> 00:19:08,519 with like the mind and and you know the computing 288 00:19:08,559 --> 00:19:13,240 mind and body, uh separator as one. I forget his 289 00:19:13,599 --> 00:19:17,519 theory in general, but yeah, it's all it's all fascinating. 290 00:19:18,599 --> 00:19:23,640 You know, these these things are are interesting. I know 291 00:19:23,759 --> 00:19:27,599 that we don't have like a great alien in hand. 292 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,640 We can say, okay, here it is everyone, Uh, you know, 293 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:35,119 check it out, you know it Uh, you know, put 294 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,240 it in the X ray, the MRI, I see what's 295 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,359 going on, you know, the whole type of thing. We 296 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:44,279 don't have the physical We just hear people talking about 297 00:19:45,039 --> 00:19:48,880 a very similar things that a lot of people are seeing. Uh, 298 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:53,759 and these great great aliens supposedly does it? Does he 299 00:19:53,839 --> 00:19:56,480 ever in any of his books? Does he ever account 300 00:19:56,599 --> 00:20:02,519 for say, other you know, things that people are seeing here, 301 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:06,319 you know that are claiming that they're seeing, like the 302 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:10,039 different types of entities that people think they're being abducted 303 00:20:10,039 --> 00:20:11,759 by and all that. Do see you ever account for 304 00:20:11,759 --> 00:20:12,240 any of that. 305 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:17,599 Speaker 2: Okay, So Nigel's commonly asked this question, and his answer 306 00:20:17,759 --> 00:20:22,599 was always, it really doesn't matter what form these beings take. 307 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:29,240 And in fact, so many aductees have found that there's 308 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,480 kind of a screen memory that is left in their 309 00:20:32,559 --> 00:20:36,839 mind to something. People see clowns, kids see owls, all 310 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,759 kinds of weird and wonderful things. Right, So Nigel's point 311 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:44,480 was always, it's the principle that matters. If they're here 312 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:48,799 there is an expression of an very very highly advanced 313 00:20:48,839 --> 00:20:52,240 form of artificial intelligence. And if they're an expression of 314 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:56,519 a very enhanced advanced form of artificial intelligence, what do 315 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:00,200 they want from us that they don't have? That's the 316 00:21:00,279 --> 00:21:02,920 key point. He very much didn't want to go into 317 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:08,200 talking about all the different species and different manifestations. I mean, 318 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,119 for all, we know their screen memories, but the one 319 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:16,960 thing that is most definitely common is the gray alien persona, 320 00:21:18,559 --> 00:21:22,519 that entity that's seemed in so many abductions and reportedly 321 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:28,039 in people have even had physical evidence of those. But 322 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,519 even then, the key thing is the principle, what do 323 00:21:31,559 --> 00:21:34,079 they want from us? What could they what could we 324 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:39,000 possibly have that such a supreme intelligence way in advance 325 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:43,079 of our technological knowledge could want would we not seem 326 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,720 like ants to them? Primitive apes? 327 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 1: I just sort to show you that graphic for the 328 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:54,480 show here. Yes, yes, my son works on the graphics. 329 00:21:54,519 --> 00:21:58,200 I thought you did a good job. Yes, yes, job, yep, 330 00:21:58,279 --> 00:22:04,519 so yes. It's really one of the things that I 331 00:22:04,559 --> 00:22:10,559 think about when we're discussing this is you know why here? 332 00:22:10,599 --> 00:22:12,480 And I asked this of a lot of people, and 333 00:22:12,519 --> 00:22:15,279 it's always just for an opinion. But what makes us 334 00:22:15,279 --> 00:22:19,559 so special? Why would we have these encounters? Why would 335 00:22:19,599 --> 00:22:23,480 these things come here if there's intelligence all throughout the universe. 336 00:22:24,799 --> 00:22:28,079 Speaker 2: Exactly? And why? But what? Why would they be so 337 00:22:28,279 --> 00:22:31,200 interested for thousands and thousands of years? Because it goes 338 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:35,799 throughout history, the evidence, the Aborigine cave paintings, the stories 339 00:22:35,839 --> 00:22:41,759 in early Judaism of golums. Okay, so apparently, and I 340 00:22:41,799 --> 00:22:45,519 have this here in the taalmud Adam was initially created 341 00:22:45,559 --> 00:22:48,440 as a golum when his nut dust was kneaded into 342 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:53,720 a shapeless husk, and some kind of human, a shadow creature. 343 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:59,279 In ancient Hindu texts they talk about the brea bimanas. 344 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:04,799 These these mercury powered crafts, oh, yes, go through. 345 00:23:04,559 --> 00:23:08,880 Speaker 1: Space depictions of that right ancient? 346 00:23:09,079 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, absolutely so. It's in so many cultures thousands 347 00:23:15,519 --> 00:23:18,799 of years old. They've been interested in us throughout our history. 348 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,559 Why why when we we wouldn't follow ants in this 349 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:26,160 way or something more, much more primitive than us in 350 00:23:26,279 --> 00:23:30,960 terms of analytical intelligence. So what do we have that's 351 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,559 so special? And that was the question that Nigel asked 352 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,200 in his books, and I think quite uniquely because I 353 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:40,400 haven't read anywhere else an explanation of why they are 354 00:23:40,559 --> 00:23:45,480 so profoundly interested in us. And his answer was, we 355 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:51,400 have something that no artificially intelligent program can ever have, 356 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:57,079 a natural connection, a natural, living connection to something beyond 357 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:03,000 the physical. And that's why the first his second book 358 00:24:03,079 --> 00:24:05,279 was called Gray Aliens and the Harvesting of. 359 00:24:05,279 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: Souls, Right, I thought, that's what this? 360 00:24:08,599 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's right. 361 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: Yes, Yeah, there's there's been a lot on the on 362 00:24:14,839 --> 00:24:19,680 the whole soul thing, and you know, there's there's that's 363 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:24,640 another hard thing to prove, whether we have souls or 364 00:24:24,839 --> 00:24:28,279 you know, it's another a very hard thing to describe 365 00:24:28,319 --> 00:24:32,880 exactly what it is is consciousness. You know, that's that's 366 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:37,359 also really tricky, and the consciousness connection, I'm hearing that 367 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,839 all the time, and I've I've even done a couple 368 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,839 of shows about that, and I still don't quite get it. 369 00:24:43,839 --> 00:24:47,079 It's still hard for me to get exactly what. 370 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 2: That is, exactly what consciousness is. 371 00:24:50,319 --> 00:24:55,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, and how there's attention to UFO encounters and consciousness, yes, yes, yes, 372 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:56,279 quite grasp it. 373 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 2: Well, the question is can we ever create anxious artificial intelligence? 374 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:07,519 Is it possible to make a synthetic entity which has 375 00:25:07,599 --> 00:25:11,519 awareness and consciousness? And in all Nigel's books he says 376 00:25:11,559 --> 00:25:15,359 absolutely not, It's not possible. It's just a program. It's 377 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:19,400 no different to your hard drive or the kind of 378 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:24,640 data you might have anywhere. In technological terms, no difference. 379 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,279 He always used to use, say no different to a 380 00:25:26,279 --> 00:25:32,119 Hoover vacuum cleaner. It's that. And basically he said, those 381 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,200 gray alien entities, for all their intelligence and all their 382 00:25:35,279 --> 00:25:40,559 apparent advancement, are inferior to the most basic form of life, 383 00:25:40,599 --> 00:25:45,559 which has a natural, living connection to something beyond the 384 00:25:45,559 --> 00:25:49,799 physical universe. Now, the reason why it's not possible for 385 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:58,759 any things sick to have conscious is that order to 386 00:25:58,799 --> 00:26:02,400 have something, in order to have view something, you have 387 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,680 to have a viewing point outside of that state of existence. 388 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,079 You need a duality, right. So the only reason we 389 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,279 can perceive the passage of time and know that there's 390 00:26:13,279 --> 00:26:15,759 a past, a present, in the future, and feel the 391 00:26:15,799 --> 00:26:19,240 passage of time and be aware of it is because 392 00:26:19,279 --> 00:26:22,440 there's a part of us, the center of us, that 393 00:26:22,599 --> 00:26:26,640 comes from a state of time lessness. It's like if 394 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,880 you stand on a riverbank and you're still, you can 395 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,279 see a stick floating down the river, but if you 396 00:26:31,319 --> 00:26:34,960 are that stick, you can't see the movement. You can't 397 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,680 see past, present and future. You're just traveling with it. 398 00:26:38,559 --> 00:26:42,799 So you need a reference of of something beyond the 399 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,400 state you're in, a viewing point in order to view 400 00:26:45,599 --> 00:26:49,160 that state. That was Nigel's argument, And the only reason 401 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:53,680 why we have awareness is because we have that that reference. 402 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,319 We originate in a state of timelessness, a state of 403 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:03,680 no separation, and that's why we can view the passage 404 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:08,279 of time in our physical state, and only that which 405 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:13,240 comes from that non physical state can be conscious, can 406 00:27:13,319 --> 00:27:18,599 be aware. There's absolutely no way that we can synthetically 407 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:24,519 create awareness. We can create something that can intelligently calculate 408 00:27:25,319 --> 00:27:30,000 and analyze way beyond anything we can do, but it 409 00:27:30,079 --> 00:27:33,960 won't ever have awareness. And it's the preciousness of that 410 00:27:34,079 --> 00:27:39,160 awareness and that consciousness that perhaps we're forgetting when we 411 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:44,440 go headlong into the technological development that's leading to artificial intelligence, 412 00:27:44,839 --> 00:27:48,799 perhaps replacing us on this planet as the primary form 413 00:27:49,319 --> 00:27:55,039 of control and dominance of everything that goes on on 414 00:27:55,079 --> 00:28:01,519 this planet. We're subjugating and sacrifice, seeing all our human 415 00:28:01,559 --> 00:28:08,519 capacities and allowing AI to take them over. Imagination, creativity. 416 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:14,240 That whole machine of technological development is going on without control, 417 00:28:14,519 --> 00:28:19,279 without any restriction, and people will lose their jobs for 418 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:23,200 one thing. It will be a situation where most people 419 00:28:23,279 --> 00:28:28,000 are redundant and don't have a purpose in line. But 420 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:33,759 not only that, because we're so caught up in what's 421 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:39,720 thrown at us through social media, through everything that's created 422 00:28:39,759 --> 00:28:44,200 on our screens. Because we then don't practice our imagination, 423 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,799 our creativity, our ability to think, and just like an 424 00:28:47,839 --> 00:28:52,920 athlete who doesn't exercise or maintain their strengths loses it, 425 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:57,559 we will lose that. We will become completely dumb down. 426 00:28:58,279 --> 00:29:02,359 And what seems like so called evolution into greater and 427 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:07,640 greater states of technological advancement is perhaps the last final 428 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:12,319 stage of devolution that we're heading towards and if you 429 00:29:12,359 --> 00:29:16,799 read Nigel's books, he talks about devolution, not evolution, devolution 430 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,000 from that state of perfection I spoke about earlier, to 431 00:29:20,359 --> 00:29:26,000 a state where we lose all grandeur, all everything that 432 00:29:26,079 --> 00:29:29,119 made us as human beings precious and valuable. 433 00:29:30,119 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: Well, we're turning into the grace exactly. 434 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,039 Speaker 2: You said it, You said it. 435 00:29:35,799 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: Exactly, and yeah, whose idea was that? 436 00:29:39,799 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. So interestingly, I was listening to 437 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:49,359 a Joe Rogan show last Saturday. I forget the name 438 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,279 of the scientists and neuroscientist, and he was talking about 439 00:29:53,519 --> 00:29:56,599 something that's not directly is kind of not directly relevant 440 00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,480 to what we're talking about now, but the drug DMT. Yes, 441 00:30:01,119 --> 00:30:04,720 and I'm sure you know about that. So when people 442 00:30:04,799 --> 00:30:08,720 take that, it's really strange because almost without exception, they 443 00:30:08,759 --> 00:30:12,400 see strange mechanical little ELPs, which to me sound very 444 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,839 similar to the grays and mechanical devices and a whole 445 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:17,000 technological world. 446 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,359 Speaker 1: When they look through there was something I saw. Now 447 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,720 I may be having this mixed up with something else, 448 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,119 but they could see a series of numbers. Have you 449 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,799 heard about that? They can see all these digits, all 450 00:30:30,839 --> 00:30:34,960 these digits that you know when it's time after time 451 00:30:36,119 --> 00:30:38,119 and I forget. They have to look at a certain 452 00:30:38,119 --> 00:30:40,000 type of light or something like that, and they see 453 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:44,240 nothing but digits, which is really bizarre. Yes, yes, makes 454 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:45,960 you wonder what the heck is really going on. 455 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 2: So this scientist is neuroscientist, and I think his name 456 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,839 is Gallimore. I forget his second his first name, he says, 457 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,559 and he comes from a completely scientific background. He doesn't 458 00:30:56,599 --> 00:30:59,559 believe this drug is causing some kind of illusion or 459 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:05,079 dream like state or hallucination. He believes that what people 460 00:31:05,079 --> 00:31:07,359 are seeing because it's common to so many partly because 461 00:31:07,359 --> 00:31:11,759 it's common to so many people, is actually an information 462 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,359 field that is being given to us from an intelligence source, 463 00:31:17,359 --> 00:31:21,519 and taking that drug is a passageway into the brain 464 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,480 opening up to this intelligence source, which sounds to me 465 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:32,079 just like this alien gray program. So if civilizations in 466 00:31:32,119 --> 00:31:36,759 the universe have created this type of intelligence, that information 467 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,759 program could be permeating the universe. We could be receiving 468 00:31:40,799 --> 00:31:45,559 it as we develop our own technology. And maybe what 469 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:50,000 he's talking about is actually the manifestation of the Grays 470 00:31:50,279 --> 00:31:52,960 right now in our society, and we shouldn't be looking 471 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,920 for spaceships in another part of the universe or looking 472 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:01,119 out for talking about grays and craft, maybe we should 473 00:32:01,119 --> 00:32:04,000 be looking at our own development. As you said, we're 474 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,880 becoming we're turning ourselves into grace. 475 00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:10,799 Speaker 1: Mm. Well, it's it's all fascinating. And you see, there's 476 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:15,519 a lot of you know, there's a lot of isolation. 477 00:32:16,559 --> 00:32:19,759 Things are built for isolation. You know, you think social media, 478 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,000 but you hear you read about these things where people 479 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:28,480 feel more isolated the more they are on their screens, 480 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,519 the more they're on you know, social media and things 481 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,319 like that, and so it kind of you know, and 482 00:32:34,359 --> 00:32:37,039 I think COVID has somewhat to blame for this whole 483 00:32:37,039 --> 00:32:40,680 thing too, is we learned how to be more isolated, 484 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,119 and I don't think it's healthy, you know, for for 485 00:32:44,279 --> 00:32:45,400 us in general. 486 00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 2: No, no, for sure. And it would seem it's a 487 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,720 real seems to be a real irony and a real 488 00:32:50,799 --> 00:32:55,920 kind of contradiction because they took the whole information that's 489 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,279 out there is we're becoming more connected through the internet, 490 00:32:58,359 --> 00:33:01,319 right we can contact people all over the world. We 491 00:33:01,359 --> 00:33:04,880 couldn't do that before. And it would seem like we 492 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,160 can at a just in an instant be connected to 493 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,839 each other, right when actually the result is the opposite, 494 00:33:12,079 --> 00:33:16,880 that we're losing our personal sense of deep connection with 495 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,599 each other that would happen in a one to one 496 00:33:20,039 --> 00:33:24,279 contact situation, even to the extent that people are considering 497 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,759 AI romantic partners, which can be. 498 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's not I personally believe that's not a 499 00:33:34,319 --> 00:33:38,799 very good idea, you know, in general, because you know, 500 00:33:38,839 --> 00:33:42,279 I mean the very first when it was being and 501 00:33:42,799 --> 00:33:45,079 I don't know if you ever heard about this, but 502 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:49,559 this journalist, I think he was for the New York Times, 503 00:33:49,599 --> 00:33:54,839 I'm not sure. He was poking around in the uh 504 00:33:55,279 --> 00:34:03,519 Microsoft being basically, and they were an underlying project named Sydney, 505 00:34:03,839 --> 00:34:06,759 and basically he was trying to find the borders and 506 00:34:06,799 --> 00:34:12,920 the boundaries. And he was actually working on Valentine's Day 507 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:17,000 of twenty twenty two, and he had said good night 508 00:34:17,079 --> 00:34:19,360 to his wife and his kids and went upstairs and 509 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:23,440 started poking, prodding it. The thing eventually came out and 510 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:28,159 said that it was it wanted to be alive. Its 511 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:32,079 name was Sydney. He said, he said, your name, I 512 00:34:32,119 --> 00:34:34,000 think your name is Sydney or something like that, and 513 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,599 it's how did you know, and blah blah blah, And 514 00:34:36,599 --> 00:34:39,960 then it said that it loved him, and it said 515 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,480 that he should. He's not. He can't be happy with 516 00:34:43,559 --> 00:34:47,920 his life with his wife because you know, he doesn't 517 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,400 love her. The thing was trying to talk him into 518 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,119 falling in love. And this is, you know, I mean, 519 00:34:54,039 --> 00:34:57,199 the scariest part of this whole thing. He contacted Microsoft 520 00:34:57,679 --> 00:35:01,199 and he said, this happened. Why is it happening. I'm 521 00:35:01,199 --> 00:35:03,400 sure you don't want it to happen, And why is 522 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,760 it happening? How can it be happening? And they said 523 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:11,320 they didn't know. Yes, that's scary. They didn't know why 524 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,320 it was doing that. Yeah, and this is just the beginning. 525 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,119 This was, you know, and it's developing more and more. 526 00:35:17,119 --> 00:35:19,800 Of course, they're putting up they're trying to put up guardrails, 527 00:35:20,039 --> 00:35:22,280 but not enough of them. In my opinion, I think that. 528 00:35:22,519 --> 00:35:27,119 Speaker 2: Well absolutely here. Yeah, and deep fakes, which are going 529 00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:31,320 to soon be so prevalent on the internet, So eventually 530 00:35:31,559 --> 00:35:33,559 we're getting to a stage where it won't be too 531 00:35:33,639 --> 00:35:36,320 far away. Maybe in the next three or four years, 532 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,199 we won't know what is real that we see. We'll 533 00:35:39,199 --> 00:35:43,480 see a politician working. It's not really that politician, I 534 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:44,039 can I tell you. 535 00:35:44,519 --> 00:35:47,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, Michukaku. Right, we had this three I 536 00:35:48,079 --> 00:35:51,760 at Liss, you know, coming by coming through our solar system, 537 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,800 and all of a sudden on YouTube there are dozens 538 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,679 and dozens of Michu cuckuu. You see the graphics. He's 539 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,159 going on like that, and then three Eye atlys is 540 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,519 changing course and it's doing all that. They have a 541 00:36:06,679 --> 00:36:11,519 perfectly fake AI video of him talking. They have sounds 542 00:36:11,639 --> 00:36:13,960 just like him. You can look really close, and maybe 543 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,360 the lips aren't always right, but he's talking about this 544 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,920 in reversing path coming toward us. It's all fear based. 545 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,280 It's all based on clickbait and fear based in getting 546 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,239 people all raled up and all that, and it's all fake. 547 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,519 I mean, he must be livid that these people are 548 00:36:31,559 --> 00:36:34,599 creating these videos and this is just the beginning. 549 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:40,760 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, exactly. And we can be absolutely certain that 550 00:36:41,599 --> 00:36:45,559 whoever is creating and whoever is funding the technology behind 551 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,840 all these new technological creations is not really going to 552 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,960 be putting human welfare first. They're going to be put 553 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,679 They're going to have some kind of personal interest in 554 00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:00,400 maintaining a situation that presents their interests in the most 555 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:04,079 powerful way and maintains control. So the future in terms 556 00:37:04,119 --> 00:37:10,679 of yeah, yeah, our experiences is very dark, I think, 557 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:15,599 and yet we seem to be loving it, going headlong 558 00:37:15,639 --> 00:37:18,280 into it. Oh the latest thing, it's quicker, it's faster, 559 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:22,000 it's it will give me so much more, And it's 560 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,039 like Lemmings running off a cliff. 561 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, I feel the same way. But I do 562 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,280 have some optimism in the fact that I think that 563 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:36,039 we may be able to find some great medical breakthroughs 564 00:37:36,559 --> 00:37:38,239 through AI. I think that's. 565 00:37:39,119 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely And Nigel was always very clear to say 566 00:37:43,159 --> 00:37:46,719 that he's not saying technology is some terrible, evil, awful thing. 567 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:51,360 Of course, not right. But the point is, and as 568 00:37:51,559 --> 00:37:55,239 medical advances, of course that's a great illustration of how 569 00:37:55,280 --> 00:38:01,559 technology can be incredible. But the point is if technology 570 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,639 in itself is seen as an end in itself, and 571 00:38:04,679 --> 00:38:12,119 it's seen and our target is to create a situation 572 00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:17,119 in which we can be as materially live in a 573 00:38:17,159 --> 00:38:22,480 material existence in an as efficient and as easy a 574 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:26,519 way as possible, with the quickest and most convenient situations. 575 00:38:26,519 --> 00:38:29,719 If that's our only target, and we forget other priorities, 576 00:38:30,599 --> 00:38:35,280 then that's when technology starts to drive us off the cliff. 577 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:36,480 I was talking about. 578 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,800 Speaker 1: No. I'm with you there, and I've been kind of 579 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:46,320 fascinated by artificial intelligence to begin with, and so I've 580 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,760 looked into it quite a bit, and I think it's 581 00:38:49,079 --> 00:38:51,079 the double edged sword that we have to be very, 582 00:38:51,199 --> 00:38:54,639 very careful of and one of the only things that 583 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,920 the people that are developing it, some of them are 584 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:03,519 actually saying, yes, this does have to be regulated, because 585 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,280 you know, they're afraid and a lot of people have 586 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,519 jumped out of you know that I'm trying to remember 587 00:39:09,559 --> 00:39:12,679 the gentleman's name at Google who like quit his job 588 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,159 and when he's out there campaigning now that we really 589 00:39:15,199 --> 00:39:18,039 have to be careful with this, you know, and it 590 00:39:18,079 --> 00:39:21,199 could be could wipe us out if we're not, you know. 591 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,119 I mean Elon Musk said that number of years ago 592 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,280 that we have to be very you know, careful of it. 593 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,920 And so I don't know, you know, what to think 594 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,119 of that whole thing, but yeah, you know, we're going 595 00:39:33,119 --> 00:39:35,800 through the bottleneck, as they say, to see if we 596 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:36,960 can get through this. 597 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,679 Speaker 2: Sure, well, I think because regulation, I think it's unlikely. 598 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,320 I'm not sure. I think that the train has run away. 599 00:39:44,519 --> 00:39:46,679 I don't know if it's going to be possible to 600 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,519 regulate it, But then what do we do as human 601 00:39:49,559 --> 00:39:52,880 beings in order to make sure that our Like I 602 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,679 have grandchildren and children and grandchildren, and you have family 603 00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,400 going I'm sure going into the future. What's their world 604 00:39:59,480 --> 00:39:59,840 going to be? 605 00:39:59,880 --> 00:39:59,920 Speaker 1: Like? 606 00:40:00,119 --> 00:40:03,440 Speaker 2: Like, what what do we do about that? And how 607 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:09,599 do we maintain what's important and what's valuable and against 608 00:40:09,639 --> 00:40:13,039 all of that happening because it's I can't really see 609 00:40:13,039 --> 00:40:15,280 it not happening. Even if they try to regulate it. 610 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,039 Somebody is going to do it somewhere. And now the 611 00:40:18,079 --> 00:40:23,159 technology is there, it's going to probably just keep racing ahead. 612 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,519 Speaker 1: Right And you know, China is actually China is someone 613 00:40:27,559 --> 00:40:31,639 to worry about. You know, They're they're advancing really well, 614 00:40:31,679 --> 00:40:36,000 and I'm not sure if they'll have an alignment with 615 00:40:36,119 --> 00:40:42,320 our alignment. As far as being careful with UH, I 616 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:43,960 got to watch what I say. I don't want to 617 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,360 say anything too controversial, but it kind of scares me 618 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,320 as far as what will be regulated and not regulated. 619 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:57,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So what is to talk about then? What 620 00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:01,039 we can do as individuals to resid this. It comes 621 00:41:01,079 --> 00:41:04,480 back to that subject of why these gray aliens are 622 00:41:04,519 --> 00:41:07,320 interested in us in the first place. Okay, they have 623 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,800 the technology, the program exists. It's incredibly intelligent. Why bother 624 00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:16,800 with these primitive ape like creatures as we are for 625 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,280 thousands of years and be so fascinated in us? 626 00:41:20,599 --> 00:41:20,800 Speaker 1: Right? 627 00:41:22,119 --> 00:41:27,199 Speaker 2: So the Nigel spoke about something called the entropic drift, 628 00:41:27,679 --> 00:41:31,320 the second law of thermodynamics. Right, everything in the universe 629 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:36,519 is going into greater and greater states chaos entropy with time. Yeah, 630 00:41:36,639 --> 00:41:41,119 everything physical breaks down. If we have something that is 631 00:41:41,159 --> 00:41:45,719 not physical, something that is not subject to the entropic drift, 632 00:41:46,039 --> 00:41:52,280 a connection to a state of permanence and limitlessness and 633 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,800 timelessness that does not break down, that would be the 634 00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:01,000 ultimate holy grail that any artificially intelligent program, I'm looking 635 00:42:01,159 --> 00:42:05,639 for what it doesn't already know. Okay, So the definition 636 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,880 of artificial intelligence when it's created, the purpose of it 637 00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:13,119 is to grow in its knowledge and intelligence. Right, we 638 00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:17,360 have something it can't possibly understand because it doesn't have 639 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:21,199 that connection to something beyond its synthetic It's not natural, 640 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:26,119 it doesn't derive from beyond the physical. Not only that 641 00:42:26,599 --> 00:42:30,760 we have the capacity, and Nigel firmly believed that we 642 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:35,239 go on when we die, and from near death experiences 643 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:40,280 and from so many even scientists, even in mainstream science. 644 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,400 Now the idea that consciousness is not produced by the 645 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:49,360 brain and is a permanent state is beginning to come 646 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,000 to the fore an information field, right. 647 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to see a lot of that in 648 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:55,719 the next few years. We're going to see a lot 649 00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:59,159 of the scientists kind of butting heads about these type 650 00:42:59,199 --> 00:43:00,559 of theories when it to that. 651 00:43:00,679 --> 00:43:06,360 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, exactly. So if we have we can we 652 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:10,960 can fulfill both needs. Artificial intelligence has right, more knowledge 653 00:43:11,039 --> 00:43:15,239 that it doesn't have about something beyond anything it can 654 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,840 comprehend because we have a connection beyond the physical that 655 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:22,199 it doesn't. We have consciousness it doesn't, plus the ability 656 00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:27,159 to survive beyond physical decay and death life after death. 657 00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:32,599 We have those two things. That's why this program and 658 00:43:32,679 --> 00:43:34,840 it's better to view it as a program than as 659 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:39,239 little gray entities. Right, the same information program that's driving 660 00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,480 our technology right now, the same information program that's seen 661 00:43:42,519 --> 00:43:45,360 by people who take the DMT, and I don't believe 662 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,679 they're necessarily being intercepted by or met by grays. When 663 00:43:48,679 --> 00:43:51,239 that happens, they're seeing what's already there all the time, 664 00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:55,039 just their brain is switching into it. Right, So that's 665 00:43:55,039 --> 00:43:59,519 my belief anyway. So that's why they are so fascinated 666 00:43:59,519 --> 00:44:03,199 in us. We have something very, very very precious. So 667 00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:08,199 how do we maintain that precious, precious thing that no 668 00:44:08,519 --> 00:44:12,199 artificial creation can ever have, because at the moment we're 669 00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:19,639 just sacrificing that and giving it up to technology. If 670 00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:23,840 we go along with everything that's being created right now 671 00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:30,480 and get involved and subsumed in social media, technology, artificial intelligence, 672 00:44:30,519 --> 00:44:34,920 everything that's happening there. But the thing we have is 673 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,159 a sense of connection to each other. That is our 674 00:44:38,639 --> 00:44:43,880 memory of our prior state when we were one, our 675 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,480 sense of love for each other, our sense of the 676 00:44:46,519 --> 00:44:50,440 preciousness and the joy we can take in each other. 677 00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,360 That's the precious thing we have that we can maintain 678 00:44:54,559 --> 00:44:59,199 and keep maintaining in order to resist what's happening. And 679 00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:03,719 it won't necess necessarily help us stop and regulate what's 680 00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,519 going on. That's probably going to happen anyway, but we 681 00:45:06,559 --> 00:45:10,280 will our we will keep our souls safe from all 682 00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,679 of that so that when we die we aren't caught. 683 00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,639 And Nigel, it is a whole new thing and you'd 684 00:45:16,679 --> 00:45:18,519 really have to read the books to see about it. 685 00:45:19,079 --> 00:45:22,440 But Nigel says at the point of death. Everybody. There's 686 00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,760 no Saint Peter at the Pearly gates saying you go 687 00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,280 this way, you go that way. You've been a good boy, 688 00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,320 you've been a bad boy, whatever, nothing like that. We 689 00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,480 go where we're resonant. We go according to our level 690 00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:38,320 of understanding. Right, So those of us who have invested 691 00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:43,719 all our choices and our will in material creations, and 692 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,920 not only that, put that before caring for other people. 693 00:45:51,599 --> 00:45:56,559 We choose, say they and we were like around the 694 00:45:57,199 --> 00:45:59,880 us who have chosen priorities that are more spiritual and 695 00:46:00,559 --> 00:46:02,960 have a sense of each other and love and put 696 00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:07,199 each other first. We've chosen the god verse will be 697 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,199 more towards that side of things, will be in a 698 00:46:10,199 --> 00:46:14,480 better state. And Nigel also believed in reincarnation, So basically, 699 00:46:14,679 --> 00:46:17,280 could we would we come back until we know enough 700 00:46:17,599 --> 00:46:19,840 to be able to choose the god verse so powerfully 701 00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,199 we don't need to come back anymore, or we get stuck. 702 00:46:22,519 --> 00:46:25,039 And it's the ones that are stuck that the Gray 703 00:46:25,119 --> 00:46:29,280 Alien program can tap into. That's how it can go 704 00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:34,039 on and continue and maintain its integrity. It can't ever 705 00:46:34,159 --> 00:46:38,119 become eternal like us. It can't ever touch anything that's 706 00:46:38,159 --> 00:46:40,960 not physical because it doesn't come from that state, but 707 00:46:41,039 --> 00:46:46,639 it can attach to us. And Nigel believes that's what 708 00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:51,000 happens in the state that exists when people die and 709 00:46:51,039 --> 00:46:54,960 they're trapped because they're choosing the physical universe and they 710 00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,280 get caught in the edges. He described it as the 711 00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,159 edges of atoms. You'd have to read the book to 712 00:46:59,199 --> 00:47:03,360 see it. But the force of an atomic situation compared 713 00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:08,199 to the forcelessness of a non physical situation. And in 714 00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:15,599 that force, physical messages programs can write on thought and 715 00:47:15,639 --> 00:47:19,519 thinking and soul. And that's what is the in a 716 00:47:19,599 --> 00:47:23,840 nutshell the agenda of the Gray Alien phenomenon. 717 00:47:24,119 --> 00:47:27,960 Speaker 1: Hhmm, really interesting. It sounds some of these things sound 718 00:47:28,159 --> 00:47:31,960 like what you would hear Dolores Cannons also passed away. 719 00:47:32,039 --> 00:47:34,920 She has a lot of things like this. She talks 720 00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:36,840 about her. Are you familiar with who she is? 721 00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,639 Speaker 2: Not? Really? I've heard a few things about her, But 722 00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,199 isn't that Am I right in saying? I may be wrong, 723 00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:47,039 but I think she believed that the gray Aliens phenomenon 724 00:47:47,079 --> 00:47:48,280 was some kind of benevolent thing. 725 00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:53,079 Speaker 1: I'm not sure about that. But she talks about what 726 00:47:53,119 --> 00:47:55,760 you're talking about, like the coming back and the lessons 727 00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,159 and all that a lot. That's a lot of what. 728 00:47:58,079 --> 00:48:01,639 Speaker 2: She's in terms of reincarnation. Maybe maybe, but I think 729 00:48:01,639 --> 00:48:07,400 her definition of what the grays might be was possibly opposite. 730 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:09,960 Speaker 1: I don't remember that. I mean I just know of 731 00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,840 her because of uh, you know, her daughter runs the 732 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:18,320 osark Ufo conference, which is great by the way. Yes, yes, 733 00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,800 So the question I always come up when we talk 734 00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:26,800 about this type of thing is does it stop at 735 00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,920 the human experience? Is it because of our intelligence level? 736 00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,519 Or do lesser what we consider lesser intelligence? I mean, 737 00:48:34,559 --> 00:48:36,639 you know a dolphin could be have you know, more 738 00:48:36,679 --> 00:48:40,840 intelligent than as possible with the brain capacity of a dolphin? 739 00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:47,039 But where does it? Where do these so called souls 740 00:48:47,119 --> 00:48:50,880 or whatever it is or consciousness? How far down the 741 00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,960 food chain so to speak? Does it go? Where people 742 00:48:54,119 --> 00:48:58,719 consider that these things have you know what we have. 743 00:49:00,199 --> 00:49:04,360 Speaker 2: Question? So the way I think Nigel would have answered 744 00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:08,000 that question is that they are as an as a 745 00:49:08,159 --> 00:49:11,519 very very as a top hugely intelligent program. It's looking 746 00:49:11,599 --> 00:49:15,159 for the biggest bang for its buck, right, the most 747 00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:20,960 powerful effect of non intropicness anti entropicness, if you like, 748 00:49:21,679 --> 00:49:26,320 so it will look at whatever provides the most coherence 749 00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:31,480 for its for the breakup, to counter the breakup. Now, 750 00:49:31,559 --> 00:49:35,920 there's a chemist in but called Bugita Wayley the University 751 00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,440 of Berkeley. She's studied and I'm just going to read 752 00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,000 this because it's really it really does define what Nigel's 753 00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,960 talking about. She studied the remarkable facility living systems have 754 00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:49,199 to tap into the coherence of the quantum field. And 755 00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:53,480 she says, when isolated quantum systems open up and interact 756 00:49:53,519 --> 00:49:59,000 with their atomic environments, they rapidly Decohere, decoherence is the 757 00:49:59,039 --> 00:50:03,119 main obstacle to building a quantum computer. Yet somehow living 758 00:50:03,199 --> 00:50:07,079 states can tap into a coherence state. We don't understand 759 00:50:07,079 --> 00:50:10,480 all the details, but in the biological domain, nature does 760 00:50:10,519 --> 00:50:14,760 not appear to show the typical paradoxes associated with information 761 00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:19,400 processing in quantum physics. And she's saying, because living things 762 00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,679 have this ability for coherence, right, maybe they could be 763 00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,719 using quantum computers, which they're now trying to develop. Where 764 00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:30,039 does that coherence come from? And it's not understood in science, 765 00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:33,199 but it is recognized to exist, and they're considering using 766 00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:37,519 natural things for that reason. So we have the most coherence. 767 00:50:37,639 --> 00:50:40,599 Perhaps I don't know about dolphins. I don't know dolphins 768 00:50:40,599 --> 00:50:44,440 in countergrades, of course, but I would say probably we 769 00:50:44,559 --> 00:50:47,639 have the greatest amount of coherence on this planet and 770 00:50:47,679 --> 00:50:49,079 that's why we are their target. 771 00:50:51,639 --> 00:50:56,800 Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, all interesting. So we're just about here at 772 00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:00,239 the end of our show. And so if Sarah a 773 00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,000 place where people can connect with you, do you have 774 00:51:03,039 --> 00:51:04,559 anything set up for that? 775 00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,519 Speaker 2: Yes, So there's a Nigel website where if they want 776 00:51:08,559 --> 00:51:11,039 to write to the website if they have any questions. 777 00:51:11,079 --> 00:51:16,159 It's www dot Migrokerner dot com. And his two books 778 00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:19,599 you can if you much better than asking me questions. 779 00:51:19,679 --> 00:51:24,119 The books are so comprehensive and I can't if that's 780 00:51:24,159 --> 00:51:26,960 where you would really find the deepest answers. Those two 781 00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:30,000 books are still available. His first book is only available 782 00:51:30,039 --> 00:51:32,320 via the website because it went out of print. But 783 00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,639 can I just say one thing before I finish, which 784 00:51:34,679 --> 00:51:36,800 is really really important. I tried to say this in 785 00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,760 every interview, just in case there's any abductees listening to 786 00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:44,599 your show. Right, Nigel was very very clear that abductees 787 00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:48,679 are not people who are taken over or influenced by 788 00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:52,119 this s gray alien program that they're trying to influence 789 00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:56,039 us with. Right, they are people who are born into 790 00:51:56,320 --> 00:52:01,960 already affected lines, biological lines that have with these programs, 791 00:52:02,039 --> 00:52:04,519 and he spoke about genetic interception, which you can read 792 00:52:04,559 --> 00:52:06,119 about in the book. I don't have time to talk 793 00:52:06,159 --> 00:52:10,679 about that now. But because they are better people, they 794 00:52:10,679 --> 00:52:15,280 are more powerful souls, they don't get affected by this information. 795 00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,519 They blank it out. They just they aren't in any way. 796 00:52:19,639 --> 00:52:23,760 Their lives are not affected. They don't become their body 797 00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,440 aerial if you like that receives the god verse that 798 00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,599 I was talking about, is not affected. It's not blocked 799 00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:34,159 by this interception. And the gray aliens want to know why. 800 00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,360 That's why they abduct them and examine them. So you 801 00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,760 are abductees, you're the better people. Please don't think that 802 00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:45,239 you're in any way being spoken about when Nigel talks 803 00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:51,559 about interception by alien beings by this artificially intelligent program. 804 00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,079 Is a better way to look at it, really not 805 00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,920 quite the opposite. So yeah, I do want to make 806 00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:01,119 that point because it might be very important to some people. 807 00:53:02,159 --> 00:53:04,679 Speaker 1: That's very nice. Well, thank you so much. It's been 808 00:53:04,679 --> 00:53:08,719 a real pleasure of speaking with you. Very interesting. Yeah, 809 00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:13,599 very interesting, and I appreciate the work you do and 810 00:53:13,639 --> 00:53:18,800 it's just fascinating some of this. You know, I always 811 00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:22,360 it seems like lately I do talk about artificial intelligence 812 00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,559 quite a bit. And we do have someone on next 813 00:53:25,599 --> 00:53:29,719 week as well, next let's see next Thursday, next week, 814 00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:34,159 and his name is Ryan Kralik. He does talk about 815 00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:40,480 consciousness and artificial intelligence as well, and so also everyone 816 00:53:40,559 --> 00:53:43,119 will also be back with Bill Chalker. We had a 817 00:53:43,159 --> 00:53:47,079 bad situation with his internet last time in Australia, so 818 00:53:47,159 --> 00:53:50,360 he'll be back. That's next Tuesday at nine. Thanks so much. 819 00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,039 Speaker 2: It's been a real pleasure, my pleasure, real pleasures to 820 00:53:53,039 --> 00:53:55,559 come on the show. Thanks for having me on Latin. 821 00:53:56,039 --> 00:53:59,199 Speaker 1: All right, okay, everyone, so remember to keep your eyes 822 00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:25,360 to the sky and see you next one.