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Pete Mundo college football Insider, Big twelve Insider representing a

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number of things KCMO, Kansas City's Sports Talk, Kansas City

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Talk as well as your home for everything Big twelve football.

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We have Heartland Heartland college sports as well. What he runs, Pete,

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How the heck are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing well, guys, I'm doing really well.

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Speaker 6: Ben.

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Speaker 2: It's good to be back on the show with you

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and never adult moment in this sport these days.

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Speaker 4: Huh, no doubt about it. Your thoughts, your commentary. The

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recap of the college football playoff Week one weekend numero uno.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean it feels like it went basically the

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way that we all expected. I mean, maybe Alabama Oklahoma

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was a bit of a surprise to some people.

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Speaker 1: But I'm sitting here watching.

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Speaker 2: These games and saying, Okay, Tulane went the way we expected,

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James Madison the way we expected. So now we're just

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kind of sitting here and waiting for these quarterfinals. I mean,

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the sport has screwed itself so many which ways, on

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the scheduling, on the playoff format, on the handling of

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the playoff teams.

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Speaker 1: I love college football.

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Speaker 2: I know you do as well, then, and everybody involved

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listening right now does. But boy does it have a

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lot of problems. And sadly those problems were in many

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respects on display this weekend with the way these games

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played out, the teams involved, and the fact that there

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really wasn't a lot of juice to what we saw

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over the weekend.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's Look, my biggest issue with this whole thing

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is people forget that there's contracts that required that JMU

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and Tulane get in. Six highest rated conference champions get in.

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That's contractual. So you don't want to you don't want

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to get into a legal battle here, and that's what

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could have happened if you didn't pick, if you did

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not put Jamu and Tulane into this.

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Speaker 5: College football playoff. Furthermore, this you had.

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Speaker 1: You, you had to put them in.

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Speaker 2: I don't deny it, but but once again, how we

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got here like this is march madness. I mean, that's

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not what football is. It's not basketball and the sport

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this is. This is not a commentary on they shouldn't

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have been in. They should have been based on the rules.

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It's just how this sport has set up this postseason

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that's made the Bulls irrelevant and really only given us

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a handful of good games after conference championship weekend, while

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also watering those down in the process as well.

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Speaker 4: I totally get where both sides of the table are

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coming from in this conversation. This is not the first time,

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nor will be the last time that blowouts happen in

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this first weekend. There's plenty of P four versus P

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four blowouts, right, We've seen that time and time again.

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It's not just P four versus G six blowouts. Correct, correct, absolutely,

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And so what do we do to remedy the situation?

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I think that still, do you want Cinderella's stories or

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Speaker 5: Pete? Where do you stand in that?

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Speaker 4: Do you want a Cinderella story or no.

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Speaker 2: No, I mean, there's no evidence to suggest that Cinderella's

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work in football in this environment that we've created with

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nil and everything else. I mean, we even saw this

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trend last year of March Madness. We had more power

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for teams than we had ever had because you're seeing

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these major college sports become the haves and the have

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nots with the money involved. So the days of Davidson

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making a Sweet Sixteen run with Steph Curry or Loyola

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by the wayside. In basketball, it can still happen in basketball.

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big upset. In football, it is so much more difficult

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for that Cinderella story to exist. We're all longing for

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the days of Boise State and Oklahoma in that Fiesta

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bal that was over twenty years ago. Now at this point, right,

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time to acknowledge where the sport is and these games

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with G five schools, yeah, I mean they're nice, but

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they don't do anything for the viewer. And that's supposedly

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what the sport is supposed to be about. Now the

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viewer first, and the viewer is not being handled at

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a good product with the way it's currently set up.

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Speaker 4: Georgia destroyed TCU sixty five to seven. Once upon a

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time in the college football playoff, Oregon destroyed Florida State

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fifty nine to twenty. Alabama destroyed Michigan State thirty eight

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to zero, LSU sixty three to twenty eight. Versus Oklahoma,

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within the power force structure, is what I'm getting at.

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given year, it seems like there's maybe five six elite teams,

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essentially a tiered system. But we do have some parody.

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team this year. They have not been relevant for the

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last twenty years. So I think, I mean, I think

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we're making more progress than a lot of people are

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are are talking. They're not talking about the progress that

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has been made in the parody of college football world,

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and why aren't we talking about that? I do think

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there is more parody, and we're seeing other teams get

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into the They used to be good now they're great teams,

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and they're getting into at least the conversation, do you

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want to see an expanded playoff?

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Speaker 5: Is the question? In your opinion? Do you need it?

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Do you need sixteen, do you need twenty? Do you

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Speaker 4: So you don't have Notre Dame, you don't have BYU,

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you don't have maybe you know the Vanderbilt you had

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Diego Pavia sitting there. He's a good story he's an

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SEC team that he leads an SEC team. You could

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have expanded to at least sixteen to make it most

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of the teams happy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, But I think then to your point,

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do we have sixteen teams that can win a national

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championship and based on you know, the results that you

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rightfully noted, the answer is no. I mean, heck, I'm

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at the point man where I would just I'd be

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open to going back to a BCS style system. I mean,

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it might bring some relevancy back to the balls. We

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know that there are usually two, three, maybe four elite

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teams every year that can win a national championship. Does

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that save the bulls? I don't know that shit may

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have sailed. But I mean we're talking about how, hey,

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there aren't a lot of great college football playoff games

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over the last going back even ten years now, since

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Speaker 1: On the other hand, I'm just I'm not there. As

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Speaker 2: I was a big proponent of BYU getting into the

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college Football Playoff, I don't want to solve it by

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expanding it because then we get to the same debate

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on Team seventeen and eighteen and on and on we go.

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Speaker 4: There's a certain amount of like brand equity that we're

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I think there's like a threshold or a cutoff where

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these legacy brands like the Notre Dames, they can't piss

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and moan there if they're out right. So, if you

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want to go, and I'm with you, I want to

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see data. I want to see objective metrics. If you

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want a human subjective lie, you have to wait it appropriately.

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human element, right You just want to at least have

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Speaker 5: I actually chat with Brett Yormick about that. I'm like, hey, whatever, we're.

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Speaker 4: Going to see maybe a combo of Council and BCS

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algorithm driven metric to balance out the corruptible human element.

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Speaker 5: And I don't know if you really had an answer.

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He's just been pining.

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Speaker 1: For, you know.

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Speaker 2: I think we're all looking for something like that, but

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unfortunately there's no evidence to suggest it's changing anytime soon,

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which is a shame because we all know how broken

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this thing is right now, and the sport is by

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and large and it's something that we all love and

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we want to see fixed and corrected. But you know,

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the playoff really the committee really embarrassed itself this year

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with the Miami Notre Dame thing and the way that

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no apparent reason, even though Miami deserved to be ahead

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of them due to the head to head and the

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that BYU was really an afterthought. It just seemed like

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all the talking points were coming out of the ESPN

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talking heads, and ESPN in general has really become, in

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saw that play out with the narratives over the last

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several weeks throughout this process. So I don't think it's

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been good for the Big twelve. I don't think it's

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been good for anybody outside of maybe the elites and

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the big ten in the SEC. And that's how we've

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having twelve teams.

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Speaker 4: In it is college football more broken than it has

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been in the last fifty years? You think it's more

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broken now than it has been in prior eras well.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the fans side of me says yes, But

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the business side would suggest that's not the case, because

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they're doing great numbers in the regular season, they're doing

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very solid numbers in these playoff games as well, and

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there's more of them. So I know ESPN's probably happy

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about out that, but it does feel like we're just

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trending in an unsustainable direction when it comes to devaluing

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the Bowl games that are in playoff games, you've got

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opting out left and right, and then we haven't even

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scratched the surface of the NIL, which is just a

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model that can't maintain itself. I know we're talking about

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how the House v NCAA settlement will give this twenty

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point five million dollar quasi salary cap to the athletic

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departments for athletes, but NIL is still going to be there.

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Speaker 1: On top of all that.

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Speaker 2: So really nothing's changed, and that's where the sport does

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continue to have a slew of issues going forward.

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Speaker 4: We got Pete Mundo here on your Utah ESPN Radio network.

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Pete is a big twelve insider. Tell us, Pete, give

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me all the things that you're involved in on the daily.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, I do a four hour morning show in Kansas

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Sports dot com and that's where I really get my

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sports itch. I've owned it for ten years. I worked

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in Oklahoma, covered Oklahoma State and Oklahoma when they were

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still in the Big Twelve, going back fifteen years ago. Now,

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I spent a few years in New York at Fox

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then came out to Kansas City eight years ago. But

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the Big twelve outlet, Heartland College Sports has really been

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my baby now for over a decade. And we've got

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the YouTube channel up the podcast. Just search Heartland College Sports.

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You can subscribe there. But really I started it because

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I saw the SEC bias coming into the sport going

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back twenty eleven, twelve thirteen, and I didn't feel like

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the Big Twelve had a voice, And boy, if I

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only knew what was coming, I was right about that.

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I'll say that I'm wrong about plenty, but I was

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right about that.

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Speaker 4: Well, it brings me kind of to my next point.

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BYU was left out. The Big Twelve's kind of left

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out outside of Texas Tech, and even Texas Tech somewhat

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underrated in my opinion in the poll in the com

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Football Playoff poll. Where does the Big twelve bias stem from?

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Why was BYU left out? In your opinion? What objective

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data points get you lean too, and what conspiratorial points

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can you point to?

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Speaker 1: Well objectively, you know, we are.

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Speaker 2: Twelve years into the College Football Playoff and the Big

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twelve has one win as a conference and that's TCU

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beating Michigan and then they got crushed by Georgia. So

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that's the objective side. That's why it's critical that Texas

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Tech has a run here to prove that the Big

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Twelve this year was really good, especially at the top

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with Tech, and that would actually help the case for

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BYU and what they accomplished this year and what they

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may accomplish in future seasons. So we need Texas Tech,

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if you're a Big twelve fan, to put together a

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run because it's hard to see how the Big Twelve

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ever gets two teams into this format. If they can't

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get two teams in this year. When BYU I mean yes,

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they were not close games. Although the Big Twelve championship

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game was a one score game late in the third quarter,

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they were not close final scores. But they have two

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losses to a team that I believe is the top

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two or three team in the country. I know they

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were ranked fourth, but I think this is a top

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two or three team in the country. So if the

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Big Twelve can't get two teams in this year, how

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are they going to do it. They've got to get

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credibility in this tournament, and that starts with Texas Tech.

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So that's where I believe it is. Objectively, if you

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want to look at it that way, the Big Twelve

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just has not been good as a conference in the

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College Football Playoff going back to the early days. Oklahoma

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was just a nightmare in this thing. And then you

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look at the conspiratorial side of it. You've got ESPN

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partners with the SEC most notably, and they're trying to

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jam as many of their teams in to help their

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guys as much as they can, and they're the de

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fact bolt college Football commissioners. Well that's my conspiratorial side.

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The objective side is probably somewhere in the middle on

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all of those things. But it has not been good

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for the Big twelve.

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Speaker 4: So let me post something to you, right, like we

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all feel that obviously Big twelve needs a voice. You

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saw that it was being underserved, undervalued all those things

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over the last fifty years. I would make the argument

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that the SEC and the Big ten have built their

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brands the equity that we lean into, the modern day

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equity that they that they automatically get right because they

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were the SEC And how many NFL guys are producing

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the championships. It has been bought and paid for by

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liquid cash. You can combine maybe you know, with improper

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payments at Ordron hopped onto a podcast Busting with the

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Boy said he was asked the question about nil and

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and how that could change the way that he would

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how he would approach coaching. He's like, well, they come

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through the front door rather than the back door. They've

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been paying them forever, right, Like, we can we agree

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on that premise that they've been paying improperly these student

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athletes in these leagues over the last fifty years with

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bag men. Absolutely, Okay, So you've built equity and you've

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attracted the best players through cash funds, and maybe the

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schools themselves have the TV money that it correlates to

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some sort of population density right to build up their infrastructure.

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But those donors have been paying players forever, and now

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that everything's changing, what are they doing? You see the

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actions more in conference games. They're leveraging that equity that's

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been built off of cheating over the last fifty years.

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And now we're like, oh, we're just going to play ourselves, right,

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And you look at the paper tiger that is Texas

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A and m as a perfect study. They just lost

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to Miami, who lost to Louisville, who lost SMU you

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know who are barely you know who beat Notre Dame. Yes,

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but you can see the SEC they don't want those

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things occurring. So I guess what what I'm getting at

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here is the system is obviously a cartel in essence

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a cabal, and the only way to expose it is

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through I think expansion, and Texas Tech has to win,

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Like you're right, Texas Tech has to find a way

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to beat Oregon. I just have a I take issue

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with this circling of the wagons that the SEC in

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Big ten is executing right now. Because they've been cheating

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for fifty years. You know.

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Speaker 2: Here's the thing though, and this is this is I

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saw the ed oorzer On stuff. There's no doubt the

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SEC was playing paying under the table for years. That's undeniable.

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We all know the game that was being played. But

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now that it's out in the open, it's like, Okay,

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so the SEC, a couple of SEC teams are doing it,

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you know, a couple of Big twelve teams are doing it.

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But is that a model that works for the long term?

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I just I don't think it is. So I'm I'm

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struggling to do you know how any of this beneficial.

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Speaker 4: Do you trust that the SEC and Big ten are

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not going to try to continue to cheat just because

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there's some rules in place from the NCAA.

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Speaker 5: Are they going to find a way around it?

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Speaker 1: You mean if there was a true salary cap.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, even if they say, oh, yeah, this is the

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salary cap, it's not legal to set a salary cap

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because there's no players union, there's no The federal government

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has not allowed college athletics to be a monopoly like

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the NFL, which is the only professional American football league.

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Does that make sense? You don't have a players. Yeah,

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so you can't. You can't put a salary cap on it.

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They're going to find a way to cheat. They're going

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to find a way to circumvent whatever by laws you've

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put in place.

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Speaker 5: That's what they've done forever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, So what's what's then your point from there?

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Speaker 4: What I'm saying is even if you set up by

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laws to try to try to govern it, they're gonna

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cheat anyways because they had by laws in place that

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they circumvented for the last fifty years.

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Speaker 5: So the only way at the free market.

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Speaker 4: Has to has to determine it, and the pendulum have

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to swing hard this way, in my opinion, and hopefully

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the free market swings to towards Texas Tech at least

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this go around. Is it sustainable? Probably not, because eventually

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you're gonna get donor fatigue, So it'll be it'll be

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interesting to see what happens. But I do think the

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pendulum needed to swing this direction. Do you want the

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federal government involved now? Is the question to to govern it?

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And they will they allow it not to be corrupted

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in any way?

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean that's you know, that's that's I

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You're laughing about it, but you're right. I mean, the

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government can't do anything. Right. That being said, do we

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need some type of union element to this? I mean yeah,

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and basically when to treat it like a professional sport,

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you know, I mean where you have salary caps and

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all these different rules and regulations. It's the only way

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to make it work for I think everybody, and you

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know I'm a capitalist at heart. The only time some

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form of socialism actually works is in sports, because that's

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what you want.

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Speaker 1: And there's no better brand than.

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Speaker 2: The NFL on the entire planet right now, and it's

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basically run through a socialistic model. So you know what,

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that's the one time where I say to myself, socialism

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can work when you're trying to create a level playing

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field in sports to generate excitement around a team. Look

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at what the Chiefs are going through right now. All

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these Super Bowls in a row are.

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Speaker 1: Catching up with them.

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Speaker 2: Guys are tired, they're picking last every round of the

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NFL draft. Their CAP's a disaster. And now you've got

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these new teams. The Patriots are back in the mix,

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the Chargers, the Broncos. I mean, that's what they want.

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And if college football wants to basically be the NFL light,

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they would be wise to have a similar model instead

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of just saying, like Kenny Dillingham said the other day,

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do we have a twenty million dollar dollar out there

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who wants to stroke me with check?

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Speaker 1: Because I mean, that's no way to run a sport.

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It's a joke.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's just asking for donor fatigue right there. Right,

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you have to have some sort of sustainable or the

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universities can cease to take advantage of their student athletes

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and actually treat them as employees. But heaven forbid they

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have to pay out on workmen's comp or provide any

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sort of insurance, or provide any sort of like long

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term advocacy for those student athletes.

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Speaker 5: Right. They just want to be able to make the

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money off.

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Speaker 4: They want a TV, right, So they're not going to

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employ that.

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Speaker 1: They don't.

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Speaker 4: They don't want anything like that because that that that

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exposed them too much. So all this altruistic student athlete

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talk goes out the window as soon as they have

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to employ them. So evil nature, in my opinion, Pete

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always appreciate our time final thing before we let you

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go BYU Notre dame. They just they just stroked a

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home and home rather than the pop tart ball. The

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quitting Irish said, hey, we'll just give you a home

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a home. We'll do it on our own terms rather

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than pay. You know, one of the TV TV, I

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don't know, powerbrokers in college football.

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Speaker 2: Your reaction, well, you know, I'm glad Notre Dame put

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on its big boy pints. They should have been playing

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in the pop tards fold, but they were too cowardly

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to do it. You know, it's too bad, because when

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you want to prove that you are the team that

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got hosed, you go out there and do it.

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Speaker 1: Notre Dame did not want to.

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Speaker 2: I remember the first year of the playoff, TCU got

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bumped down from number three to number six the final

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weekend after blasting Iowa State fifty five to three in

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their final game of the regular season. What did they do?

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They went out there. They crushed Old Miss in the

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Sugar Bowl. I believe it was Gary Patterson. Didn't cry,

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didn't complain, He went out there and he proved that

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that team was worthy of being in the playoff, and

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they were worthy of being in the playoff. Instead, Notre

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Dame takes its ball and goes home. It's nice they've

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scheduled a home and home In part that's because USC

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said they're done going to South Bend in November with

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their grueling nine game Big ten schedule.

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Speaker 1: I don't blame them one bit, and you know, not

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that I needed another reason to be.

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Speaker 2: On BYU bandwagon, but I'm definitely going to be on

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it for those games.

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Speaker 1: Actually, all Big twelve fans.

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Speaker 4: Pete Mundo, ladies and gentlemen, Pete, we appreciate you joining us.

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Great content, great commentary. We invite everyone to follow you

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and check out your podcast as well as your platform.

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Speaker 5: Thanks so much, Pete.

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Speaker 1: All right, we appreciate it. See you guys. Here you go.

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get out to the hot line. Welcome in former BA

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great Super Bowl champion. We got Brady Papinga on the line.

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Speaker 5: Be Pop. How you living?

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Speaker 3: Good morning, fellas, how you doing.

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Speaker 4: Doing fantastic man, appreciate you hopping on to discuss the

511
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college football world. What did you make of the first

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weekend of the college football Playoff?

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Speaker 5: What stood out to you?

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Speaker 3: Well, we obviously need a bigger field. I think that's

515
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the biggest thing, because as it continues to evolve, my

516
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mind in my back of my head is always like, well,

517
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you know, Miami did a good job. Obviously they beat

518
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Texas A and m Notre Dame played Miami pretty tough,

519
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you know. Notre Dame was kind of hitting this shot

520
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at the end of the year. Who knows, you just

521
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you know, also as BYU other teams that were on

522
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the bubble there that you think, man, if they get hot,

523
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play the right teams, matchups or everything we know about that,

524
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you just never know. You just never know. And so

525
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it just to me it's if we want to really

526
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they have a system that can determine an undisputed champion,

527
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you have to make it to where it's've got more

528
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teams in there. So you get to a point when

529
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you get to probably say twenty teams, to where it's like,

530
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you know, if you're twenty one twenty two, you're probably

531
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so far out of it that'll win it, you know

532
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what I'm saying. But you've got a big enough net

533
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there where you catch the teams from probably that twelve

534
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to a twenty mark that they probably could depending on health,

535
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depending on matchups, and it makes it more exciting. And

536
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then you can still include, you know, the G five

537
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teams because they're obviously out matched. The G five division

538
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itself is by nature becoming more and more of its

539
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own division outside of P four, just because if you

540
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have any really good G five players the most likely

541
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gone the next year. So the talent discrepancy is huge. Obviously,

542
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they don't have the resources to get the kind of

543
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coaching that the P four levels do. So you see

544
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all these coaches stepping up to the P four level

545
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most ca and so the reality is is it's it's

546
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its on league. And so I would probably say, hey,

547
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maybe have their own tournament with the G five leagues,

548
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you know, and can it incorporate with the P four

549
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tournament Maybe, but most likely not, you know, And I'm including,

550
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you know, into this P four thinking the team like

551
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Boise State and some other these borderline G five teams

552
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are right there to becoming P four's, but it's it's

553
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to me, it's creating a natural divide to where we

554
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are just going to see I believe it, you know,

555
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twenty team field at least, and the field would be

556
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amongst the P four teams. Also, you know, additional G

557
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four teams that are are pretty much there anyway, like

558
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Boise State, and then you know you'll have your G

559
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five kind of like an FCS, you know. So I

560
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think I think it's already kind of happening, you know,

561
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where we're seeing this divide and things evolved, but it's

562
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it shows that there is a lot yet to still

563
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be changed.

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Speaker 4: If it was a twenty team playoff, the first team

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out or that the team out would be Virginia. It

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looks like it would have been if we if we

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allowed the top six.

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Speaker 5: Right conference champions, they're they're the out of it.

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Speaker 4: So let's say GMU and Tulane both get in, the

570
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first team out would have been Virginia. Virginia wouldn't have

571
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got in, and then you know, obviously Houston, Georgia, Tech, Iowa,

572
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North Texas, those guys are all out.

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Speaker 5: But that's a good feel. Yeah, Michigan get yeah.

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Speaker 3: But you're you're right, you know, we're not We're not complaining.

575
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I wouldn't think anybody would bil like, oh wow, Virginia

576
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is you know there, they could maybe win the whole thing.

577
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You know, they lost obviously their championship games. So that's

578
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what solves it. Because to me, I always go back

579
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to two thousand and four Ben where we played usc

580
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who's supposedly voted as like one of the greatest college

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football teams ever, and then we followed up you know,

582
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that year we played Utah and I left the game

583
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against Utah fan like Utah would absolutely own USC, you

584
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know what I mean. And now whether that happens or not,

585
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whether that's true or not, we'll never know. But the

586
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problem is is that I had that thought and it

587
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never had any time to be put them out, you know,

588
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put it to the test on the field. And that's

589
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the whole point of a playoff, is that you wanted

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to spit out or produce an undisputed champion. And so

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you go back two thousand and four, that to me

592
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is not you know, whoever won. I don't even think.

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I think USC you might even have split it.

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Speaker 1: But but I do.

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Speaker 3: Look, there's even you know, an undisputed champion, and they

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sayd of the best team ever, we don't know they

597
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didn't play the best teams, you know, because you tell

598
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they never had a chance to face. And so that's

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what we're trying to avoid here, and we're getting closer

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to it, and I believe there's some more tweaks that's

601
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eventually gonna make that tournament like a legit tournament. But

602
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you know what, we're we're still ways away. And but

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the fact that YU, for example, was a game or

604
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a win away for being there I think right there,

605
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you're you're you're excited if you're you're BYU because you're

606
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right in the thick of it. You just got to

607
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go out and win the games in front of you

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and and you're gonna be in that tournament. And then

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when you're in the tournament, you just never know.

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Speaker 4: Was Texas A and M the most overrated team in

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college football this year?

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Speaker 3: I don't know about that. I believe every week every

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team is different. There's dynamics of injuries and player improvement

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and development that take place, some digress because the progression

615
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is ever linear. And we can say that also about

616
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head coaches and offensive coordinators and defensive coordinators. They're they're

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also on this, you know, trajectory, whether they're improving or

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getting worse or evolving or not. And so there was

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a time where, for sure, I believe Texas A and

620
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M was playing at a very high level. They re

621
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deserve to kind of hype they were getting, and then

622
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they just fell off for whatever reason, and they just

623
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have locked the consistency. They've locked the ability to play

624
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well against good teams. They obviously locked the ability in

625
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the playoff to really stand up against the Miami team

626
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that came in hungry and they just didn't get it done.

627
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So I don't think there's an issue of a hype there.

628
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I just look at it as an issue of where's

629
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your team at week after week, and they kind of

630
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peaked at the beginning in the middle of the season

631
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and then just teled off.

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Speaker 5: As far as the other games.

633
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Speaker 4: Right, everyone's talking about how tou Lane in JM you

634
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didn't deserve to be in No Cinderella is everyone wants

635
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to get rid of Cinderella's now, But there's plenty of

636
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data points to show that there's been blowouts, like ten

637
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blowouts P four versus P four.

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Speaker 5: You can go down the list of.

639
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Speaker 4: Teams I think I was Ohio State was skunked once.

640
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I mean, Tennessee lost big last year. What's your retort

641
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to that? Do you agree or disagree with the No

642
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Cinderella movement.

643
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Speaker 3: I'm not sure that's what they mean. What I mean,

644
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what I think their meaning is there is a distinct,

645
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like when you look at Tulane James Madison. When I'm

646
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watching them, there's an absolute difference in the level of

647
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,720
football being played. And you know, like for example, when

648
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you go to the NFL there's the Jets is one

649
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,519
of the worst team I actually think of, well, who's

650
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got the first pick? I think maybe it's the rag Giants.

651
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I don't know. But let's say, like you look at

652
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,240
the Jets when the Jets come walking out and you

653
00:31:49,279 --> 00:31:52,319
see the raw ability versus the Eagles, Let's say, who's

654
00:31:52,319 --> 00:31:54,839
probably the top team. Sure, the Eagles are going to

655
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have some more between quotations raw talent, but that's because

656
00:31:58,279 --> 00:32:00,559
they've developed that talent. They have a good teams around

657
00:32:00,559 --> 00:32:03,720
that talent. That's a good organization, but it's really not

658
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raw talent wise, there's not a difference. And you can

659
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almost say that about every NFL team raw talent, if

660
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,160
you just broke down you know their speed and movement skills.

661
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,759
It's all pretty much the same across the board. Now,

662
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when you look at Tulane versus Oh Miss James Madison

663
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versus Oregon, there's a discrepancy, and it's like and so

664
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there's already this inherent disadvantage because you just don't have

665
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the inherent physical talent. You know, if you're these G

666
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five teams I explained already wise because when you get

667
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guys you developed at that level because everybody's on a

668
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different director, everybody's on a kind of a different growth curve.

669
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Those guys leave and they go to P fours. So

670
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it's just the system now where you just don't have

671
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the talent level and I'm talking physical, raw talent, I'm

672
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not talking football talent that now has made these two

673
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leagues very different. And that's the discrepancy I think everybody's seeing.

674
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And that's what's kind of annoying because it's like unless

675
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Tulane just either played out of their minor James Madison

676
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or the opposite was either one of those teams acts

677
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you know, Will's fell off, they get cocky and they

678
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,519
just you know, completely disaster. There's really not a good

679
00:33:05,559 --> 00:33:07,759
game now if it's P four versus P four and

680
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it's a blowout, well heck, now we're talking about scheme discrepancy,

681
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strategy discrepancy. You know, we're talking about other things than

682
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just the inherent ability to show up to be part

683
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of the table. Is the is the big I think

684
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problem and people see that. It's not hard to see

685
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when you when you see teams go against each other

686
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where one team just by far has more speed, more strength,

687
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more power than the other. Team, and it's like it's

688
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like it is literally watching two different levels. And that's

689
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I think the problem.

690
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Speaker 4: So the top twenty five rankings, I mean JMU would

691
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be out two lane was I think right there in

692
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the top twenty per the College Football Playoff. Maybe just

693
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one of those teams gets in. Maybe one type of

694
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Cinderellas story could maybe get into the playoff.

695
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because if you put it into twenty. But

696
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like I said, I don't even know as we continue

697
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forward through this this era where now, I mean, there's

698
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more of a priority now and a an emphasis a

699
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,360
necessity would even be a good word of running in

700
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a for profit operation, a football or even an athletic

701
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department that makes a profit than there's ever been. I mean,

702
00:34:23,079 --> 00:34:26,239
that's why you have dealing ham in Arizona's soliciting for

703
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,679
twenty million dollars, you know publicly is because they can't

704
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,000
run a profitable operation unless somebody floats them and lends

705
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,079
the money. You tall, you know, they're getting the private

706
00:34:35,119 --> 00:34:37,920
equity money a five hundred million dollars, which is not bad.

707
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,880
These aren't bad things. But the point I'm bringing up

708
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is this not like it used to be, where the

709
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money was at a point where, yeah, you could have

710
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a donor come in and write a check. It would

711
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,159
be a probably a million dollar check and okay, that

712
00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:49,920
covered your your expenses, and that covered your loss because

713
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,920
you went over your budget. Now you have to operate

714
00:34:53,519 --> 00:34:56,840
with profit in mind. You have to at least spend

715
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:58,880
what you make. You know, if you're spending more than

716
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:00,519
you may, okay, then you got a goo debt. And

717
00:35:00,559 --> 00:35:02,000
now if you get debt, now I got to pay

718
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,199
off their debt plus interest. Okay. That makes even more

719
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,639
incumbent that you find and made it way to make revenue.

720
00:35:06,679 --> 00:35:08,079
And if the money is so big now you don't

721
00:35:08,079 --> 00:35:10,880
have the ability to go to most donors, probably ninety

722
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,199
five percent of them now, especially if you're talking you know,

723
00:35:13,639 --> 00:35:16,280
and some places in the country that used to really

724
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,719
you know, have these donors and say hey, we need

725
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,320
your help, because not these donors don't have enough money

726
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,639
to do that. That's how big the money's getting. And

727
00:35:23,679 --> 00:35:26,599
so my point is is that is exponentially growing, and

728
00:35:26,599 --> 00:35:29,760
these G fives are exponentially leaving the other way. The

729
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,840
natural happening here is the super conference. Well, we're going

730
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,519
to have G five pretty much be FCS, it'll be

731
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,239
you know, P four G five Division one double AFC.

732
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,119
I think the FCS and Division one Double A are

733
00:35:41,119 --> 00:35:43,159
the same. They becomes its own division. And I already

734
00:35:43,199 --> 00:35:45,519
see that right now. It's very clear that, just like

735
00:35:45,559 --> 00:35:48,760
I said, based off of raw talent, is its own division.

736
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,960
And it's very easy to see that. And again it's

737
00:35:51,199 --> 00:35:53,519
it's very easy to see that because any player that

738
00:35:53,559 --> 00:35:55,840
develops to be really good at that level is gone

739
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,119
the next year because these P four teams are offering

740
00:35:59,119 --> 00:35:59,880
them bigger money.

741
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,159
Speaker 4: Britdympinger here on ESPN and the frame b Baby Brady,

742
00:36:04,159 --> 00:36:07,360
excuse me, we want to talk BYU Notre Dame. Now

743
00:36:07,639 --> 00:36:10,159
they didn't play in the pop dars ball Notre Dame.

744
00:36:10,559 --> 00:36:12,639
He's no longer the fighting ares of their quitting Irish.

745
00:36:12,679 --> 00:36:16,199
But they they try to redeem themselves. They schedule a

746
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:22,360
home at home with BYU and USC. The USC game

747
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,679
essential is essentially canceled. The lunch standing Notre Dame USC

748
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,039
game is canceled BYU Notre Dame.

749
00:36:28,039 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 5: Your reaction to the news.

750
00:36:30,519 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 3: Love it like like you just use the word redemption.

751
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,800
I lost a lot of respect for Notre Dame for

752
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,599
their unwillingness to want to play. I thought that was

753
00:36:40,639 --> 00:36:44,119
not good for the younger guys that need that extra time,

754
00:36:44,199 --> 00:36:46,559
want that extra time. I mean, you only get to

755
00:36:46,559 --> 00:36:50,440
play football once and when it's over, it's over. But

756
00:36:51,039 --> 00:36:52,800
one thing that you can do to kind of redeem

757
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:57,039
yourself is, yeah, a schedule, good team, you know. And

758
00:36:57,079 --> 00:36:59,199
I think that's a heck of a heck of a

759
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,360
deal for us, you know, to get Notre Dame, because

760
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,159
it shows also where Notre Dame sees us. You know,

761
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,719
years past, Notre Dame would not have taken an equal

762
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,480
home and home. They would have said, Okay, if we're

763
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,400
going to you, then you got to come to us twice, right,

764
00:37:11,679 --> 00:37:13,119
And then they didn't even want to come to us,

765
00:37:13,159 --> 00:37:15,280
and they had a neutral sidea in Vegas where they

766
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,519
were allowing seventy five percent of the tickets to the

767
00:37:17,559 --> 00:37:20,079
fans of Notre Dame. But so yeah, I mean the

768
00:37:20,119 --> 00:37:21,840
fact that they were willing to come and they know

769
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,239
that that's going to help their resume and ability to

770
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,480
rank where they need to rank to qualify for the playoffs.

771
00:37:27,519 --> 00:37:31,800
That shows we're at with the whole landscape of P

772
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,480
four and power football. We're one of them. Right now,

773
00:37:34,559 --> 00:37:36,159
you know, so that that Notre Dame sees that. So

774
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,480
I look at that and say thank you for the

775
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,000
respect and the opportunity, and then at the same time, yeah,

776
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,480
I mean it goes to show you. I think there's

777
00:37:43,599 --> 00:37:45,880
you know, I know Marcus Freeman, I know I don't

778
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,800
know him directly, but I know guys around him, like

779
00:37:48,639 --> 00:37:50,840
James Laarnidis, a j Hawk, who are good buddies of

780
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,599
mine that I played in the NFL with. One was

781
00:37:52,679 --> 00:37:55,599
aj was my roommate who had played with Marcus Freeman

782
00:37:55,639 --> 00:37:57,760
Ohio State. And I know how those guys think, and

783
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,920
I know based off that it looked like they were

784
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,119
running from us for BYU, So it makes sense that

785
00:38:05,159 --> 00:38:07,239
they want to show no, we weren't running away from you.

786
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,880
We're trying to prove a point boom so much so

787
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:11,880
we're going to put you on the schedule and we'll

788
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:13,599
come to you next year to start us off. So

789
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,920
great thing to happen twenty two years later, finally come

790
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,239
aback to Provo. Sure it's going to be an electric,

791
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,519
great game, great opponent. And yeah, I kind of redeemed themselves,

792
00:38:22,519 --> 00:38:24,440
although again, like I said, I really still fell back

793
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,599
for those younger guys on Notre Dame that don't have

794
00:38:27,639 --> 00:38:30,639
extra practices, don't have anupper extra game to show themselves.

795
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 4: The college football cabal, the cartel that I how I

796
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,960
deem it. They're trying to pressure Notre Dame into joining

797
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:43,400
a conference. Joey McGuire, Big twelve Texas tech head coach said, Hey,

798
00:38:43,559 --> 00:38:46,079
if you're in a conference Notre Dame, he said that today,

799
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:50,039
then you're in the playoff. Do you think Notre Dame

800
00:38:51,519 --> 00:38:55,480
acquiesces and follows suit and falls in line with the

801
00:38:55,480 --> 00:39:00,199
college football cabal and joins a conference eventually, if.

802
00:39:00,119 --> 00:39:03,760
Speaker 3: They're smart, they would. Now here's the big nuance that

803
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,559
I think we have to understand a lot of times.

804
00:39:06,639 --> 00:39:10,079
When you say independence Notre Dame, what that means is

805
00:39:10,079 --> 00:39:13,079
is they control all their revenue income. They don't share

806
00:39:13,079 --> 00:39:15,360
it because they don't have to. And that is a fact.

807
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:20,119
The Notre Dame brand, the following their cachet is enough

808
00:39:20,159 --> 00:39:24,480
to where they don't need a conference to try to profit.

809
00:39:24,519 --> 00:39:27,039
They don't need a conference to generate hundreds of millions

810
00:39:27,039 --> 00:39:29,280
of dollars billions of dollars in revenue. They don't need that.

811
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,360
And so a lot of people I think you know,

812
00:39:32,639 --> 00:39:34,840
from the Notre Dame side, when people are telling them,

813
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:36,360
like you said, Coach Griver, say hey, you need to

814
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:37,880
during a conference, they look at like, well, hey, we

815
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,800
don't need to join your conference to get these revenue streams. Sure,

816
00:39:42,039 --> 00:39:44,519
and that's not what we're saying. What we're saying is

817
00:39:44,519 --> 00:39:47,400
is you need to join a conference to clarify where

818
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,719
you sit in terms of the rankings, either qualify for

819
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,280
the playoffs or not. And the best way to do

820
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,559
that is, yeah, go and play a P four conference

821
00:39:55,599 --> 00:39:59,039
schedule with similar opponents than your other teams that you're facing.

822
00:39:59,079 --> 00:40:01,559
Because he's right, I mean, and if you would have

823
00:40:01,559 --> 00:40:05,039
had them in the ACC this last year, it's probably

824
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,199
you know, they're in the championship game at the very least, right,

825
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,039
and then then they probably went in them and they're

826
00:40:11,039 --> 00:40:12,840
they're better than both Virginia and Duke. I mean, I

827
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:14,639
don't know what happened to the tie breakers where Miami

828
00:40:14,679 --> 00:40:17,519
couldn't get in there, but but yeah, I mean, it's

829
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,519
it creates a very clear path. Like I said, with

830
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:22,880
here we are here, we are BYU kind of the

831
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:24,719
same thing happened to us as Notre Dame. But I

832
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,320
don't feel like Notre Dame. I don't feel like we

833
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,679
got yanked at all. I felt like we had our chance.

834
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,599
We put it in the lap of the the you know,

835
00:40:31,679 --> 00:40:34,239
the committee, and that's on us. You know, we shouldn't

836
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,199
be putting it in their lab. We had every every

837
00:40:36,199 --> 00:40:39,360
opportunity by just winning games and especially the championship game

838
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,400
to get in and we didn't do it. So, hey,

839
00:40:41,519 --> 00:40:43,400
that's just how it goes. You gotta win the games

840
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,360
in front of you to qualify for whatever you got

841
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,320
to get done. We didn't do that, and so it

842
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,519
actually helps s to day. That's I think the thing

843
00:40:50,559 --> 00:40:52,960
that they need to realize it help. They're helping themselves

844
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,400
by getting in a conference, But you're going to have

845
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,239
to get into a conference and negotiate it. Do when

846
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,760
you basically tell every other member of that conference, like, hey,

847
00:41:00,159 --> 00:41:02,079
we're going to be a part of your conference, but

848
00:41:02,119 --> 00:41:04,280
we're not going to share revenue. And that might be

849
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:08,159
the sticking point and if im them they don't need

850
00:41:08,159 --> 00:41:10,880
a conference to make money. But then at the same time,

851
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,320
that conference just by having Notre Dame in there without

852
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,360
any revenue share, without Notre Dame, you know, funneling any

853
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,800
dollars into the conference. That is a huge asset and

854
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,480
a huge value add So I can even see if

855
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,559
you have a smart you know, some smart business people

856
00:41:25,559 --> 00:41:28,000
working together and finding that middle ground to where it

857
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,719
will make sense for everybody. So I hope it works

858
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,440
out that way. Uh, but we'll see if you know,

859
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,400
and things kind of move slowly, but we'll see if

860
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,320
you know, all these good minds can get together and

861
00:41:38,639 --> 00:41:40,159
make everything work for everybody.

862
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,960
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Speaker 5: We appreciate it when you do.

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Speaker 4: Big Cougar Wart, everyone that joined us, Ronald the three Man,

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we were, Brett always bringing the hammer, Brady papinga great

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segment with him, Pete Mundo in a little bit of

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a Cougar Beat college football conversation. Jonathan Tabernari joined us

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to talk some BYU basketball brand and Gurney the g Man.

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Love and appreciate him. We had colonies, so tak shown.

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We recapped the college football playoff and talk to BYU

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and Notre Dame. So download the podcast and consume it

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a la carte kugarnation.

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Speaker 5: We appreciate you, We love you. Thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 4: From all of us here at ESPN the Fan, we

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wish you a very good night, have a wonderful and

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safe night with your friends and family members. We'll be

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back Tomorrow's always here on your Utah ESPN radio network,

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