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Pete Mundo college football Insider, Big twelve Insider representing a
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Talk as well as your home for everything Big twelve football.
We have Heartland Heartland college sports as well. What he runs, Pete,
How the heck are you?
Speaker 1: I'm doing well, guys, I'm doing really well.
Speaker 6: Ben.
Speaker 2: It's good to be back on the show with you
and never adult moment in this sport these days.
Speaker 4: Huh, no doubt about it. Your thoughts, your commentary. The
recap of the college football playoff Week one weekend numero uno.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean it feels like it went basically the
way that we all expected. I mean, maybe Alabama Oklahoma
was a bit of a surprise to some people.
Speaker 1: But I'm sitting here watching.
Speaker 2: These games and saying, Okay, Tulane went the way we expected,
James Madison the way we expected. So now we're just
kind of sitting here and waiting for these quarterfinals. I mean,
the sport has screwed itself so many which ways, on
the scheduling, on the playoff format, on the handling of
the playoff teams.
Speaker 1: I love college football.
Speaker 2: I know you do as well, then, and everybody involved
listening right now does. But boy does it have a
lot of problems. And sadly those problems were in many
respects on display this weekend with the way these games
played out, the teams involved, and the fact that there
really wasn't a lot of juice to what we saw
over the weekend.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's Look, my biggest issue with this whole thing
is people forget that there's contracts that required that JMU
and Tulane get in. Six highest rated conference champions get in.
That's contractual. So you don't want to you don't want
to get into a legal battle here, and that's what
could have happened if you didn't pick, if you did
not put Jamu and Tulane into this.
Speaker 5: College football playoff. Furthermore, this you had.
Speaker 1: You, you had to put them in.
Speaker 2: I don't deny it, but but once again, how we
got here like this is march madness. I mean, that's
not what football is. It's not basketball and the sport
this is. This is not a commentary on they shouldn't
have been in. They should have been based on the rules.
It's just how this sport has set up this postseason
that's made the Bulls irrelevant and really only given us
a handful of good games after conference championship weekend, while
also watering those down in the process as well.
Speaker 4: I totally get where both sides of the table are
coming from in this conversation. This is not the first time,
nor will be the last time that blowouts happen in
this first weekend. There's plenty of P four versus P
four blowouts, right, We've seen that time and time again.
It's not just P four versus G six blowouts. Correct, correct, absolutely,
And so what do we do to remedy the situation?
I think that still, do you want Cinderella's stories or
do you not?
Speaker 5: Pete? Where do you stand in that?
Speaker 4: Do you want a Cinderella story or no.
Speaker 2: No, I mean, there's no evidence to suggest that Cinderella's
work in football in this environment that we've created with
nil and everything else. I mean, we even saw this
trend last year of March Madness. We had more power
for teams than we had ever had because you're seeing
these major college sports become the haves and the have
nots with the money involved. So the days of Davidson
making a Sweet Sixteen run with Steph Curry or Loyola
Chicago getting to a Final four, those days are falling
by the wayside. In basketball, it can still happen in basketball.
You get one guy who gets hot from three point range,
you can win a game, you can pull off a
big upset. In football, it is so much more difficult
for that Cinderella story to exist. We're all longing for
the days of Boise State and Oklahoma in that Fiesta
bal that was over twenty years ago. Now at this point, right,
I mean, what are we hanging on to here? It's
time to acknowledge where the sport is and these games
with G five schools, yeah, I mean they're nice, but
they don't do anything for the viewer. And that's supposedly
what the sport is supposed to be about. Now the
viewer first, and the viewer is not being handled at
a good product with the way it's currently set up.
Speaker 4: Georgia destroyed TCU sixty five to seven. Once upon a
time in the college football playoff, Oregon destroyed Florida State
fifty nine to twenty. Alabama destroyed Michigan State thirty eight
to zero, LSU sixty three to twenty eight. Versus Oklahoma,
Clemson thirty one to zero, versus the Ohio State Alabama.
These are all college football playoff games. Alabama fifty two,
Ohio State twenty four, Clemson forty four, Alabama sixteen, Penn
State thirty eight, SMU ten, Clemson thirty, Notre Dame three,
Ohio State forty two, Tennessee seventeen. This is still happening
within the power force structure, is what I'm getting at.
I think there's a The reason why I'm bringing this
up is because I think there are probably in any
given year, it seems like there's maybe five six elite teams,
and then you have like great teams in that like
seven to maybe maybe twenty, you know, twenty range, and
then you have the very good teams from twenty one
to maybe forty that can compete with those those great teams,
and you maybe see some some wins and losses between
between those two groups. I think that's where we have
essentially a tiered system. But we do have some parody.
That's that's occurring right now. Texas Tech is an elite
team this year. They have not been relevant for the
last twenty years. So I think, I mean, I think
we're making more progress than a lot of people are
are are talking. They're not talking about the progress that
has been made in the parody of college football world,
and why aren't we talking about that? I do think
there is more parody, and we're seeing other teams get
into the They used to be good now they're great teams,
and they're getting into at least the conversation, do you
want to see an expanded playoff?
Speaker 5: Is the question? In your opinion? Do you need it?
Do you need sixteen, do you need twenty? Do you
need twenty four?
Speaker 4: So you don't have Notre Dame, you don't have BYU,
you don't have maybe you know the Vanderbilt you had
Diego Pavia sitting there. He's a good story he's an
SEC team that he leads an SEC team. You could
have expanded to at least sixteen to make it most
of the teams happy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, But I think then to your point,
do we have sixteen teams that can win a national
championship and based on you know, the results that you
rightfully noted, the answer is no. I mean, heck, I'm
at the point man where I would just I'd be
open to going back to a BCS style system. I mean,
it might bring some relevancy back to the balls. We
know that there are usually two, three, maybe four elite
teams every year that can win a national championship. Does
that save the bulls? I don't know that shit may
have sailed. But I mean we're talking about how, hey,
there aren't a lot of great college football playoff games
over the last going back even ten years now, since
this thing went to four and then went to twelve,
So should we be talking about expanding it.
Speaker 1: On the other hand, I'm just I'm not there. As
much as.
Speaker 2: I was a big proponent of BYU getting into the
college Football Playoff, I don't want to solve it by
expanding it because then we get to the same debate
on Team seventeen and eighteen and on and on we go.
Speaker 4: There's a certain amount of like brand equity that we're
I think there's like a threshold or a cutoff where
these legacy brands like the Notre Dames, they can't piss
and moan there if they're out right. So, if you
want to go, and I'm with you, I want to
see data. I want to see objective metrics. If you
want a human subjective lie, you have to wait it appropriately.
You can't just lean heavy to the human subjective corruptible
human element, right You just want to at least have
some sort of balance in that.
Speaker 5: I actually chat with Brett Yormick about that. I'm like, hey, whatever, we're.
Speaker 4: Going to see maybe a combo of Council and BCS
algorithm driven metric to balance out the corruptible human element.
Speaker 5: And I don't know if you really had an answer.
He's just been pining.
Speaker 1: For, you know.
Speaker 2: I think we're all looking for something like that, but
unfortunately there's no evidence to suggest it's changing anytime soon,
which is a shame because we all know how broken
this thing is right now, and the sport is by
and large and it's something that we all love and
we want to see fixed and corrected. But you know,
the playoff really the committee really embarrassed itself this year
with the Miami Notre Dame thing and the way that
they really just flip flop them at the end for
no apparent reason, even though Miami deserved to be ahead
of them due to the head to head and the
that BYU was really an afterthought. It just seemed like
all the talking points were coming out of the ESPN
talking heads, and ESPN in general has really become, in
some respects the de facto college football commissioner, and you
saw that play out with the narratives over the last
several weeks throughout this process. So I don't think it's
been good for the Big twelve. I don't think it's
been good for anybody outside of maybe the elites and
the big ten in the SEC. And that's how we've
seen this thing play out through through two years of
having twelve teams.
Speaker 4: In it is college football more broken than it has
been in the last fifty years? You think it's more
broken now than it has been in prior eras well.
Speaker 2: I mean, the fans side of me says yes, But
the business side would suggest that's not the case, because
they're doing great numbers in the regular season, they're doing
very solid numbers in these playoff games as well, and
there's more of them. So I know ESPN's probably happy
about out that, but it does feel like we're just
trending in an unsustainable direction when it comes to devaluing
the Bowl games that are in playoff games, you've got
guys opting out left and right, you have teams now
opting out left and right, and then we haven't even
scratched the surface of the NIL, which is just a
model that can't maintain itself. I know we're talking about
how the House v NCAA settlement will give this twenty
point five million dollar quasi salary cap to the athletic
departments for athletes, but NIL is still going to be there.
Speaker 1: On top of all that.
Speaker 2: So really nothing's changed, and that's where the sport does
continue to have a slew of issues going forward.
Speaker 4: We got Pete Mundo here on your Utah ESPN Radio network.
Pete is a big twelve insider. Tell us, Pete, give
me all the things that you're involved in on the daily.
Just real quick to level set for us, for all
of our listeners.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, I do a four hour morning show in Kansas
City on KCMO Talk Radio that is a news, politics, culture, sports.
We do it all covering Kansas City and the national
news of the day. And then I own Heartland College
Sports dot com and that's where I really get my
sports itch. I've owned it for ten years. I worked
in Oklahoma, covered Oklahoma State and Oklahoma when they were
still in the Big Twelve, going back fifteen years ago. Now,
I spent a few years in New York at Fox
News and CBS Sports Radio and some other places, and
then came out to Kansas City eight years ago. But
the Big twelve outlet, Heartland College Sports has really been
my baby now for over a decade. And we've got
the YouTube channel up the podcast. Just search Heartland College Sports.
You can subscribe there. But really I started it because
I saw the SEC bias coming into the sport going
back twenty eleven, twelve thirteen, and I didn't feel like
the Big Twelve had a voice, And boy, if I
only knew what was coming, I was right about that.
I'll say that I'm wrong about plenty, but I was
right about that.
Speaker 4: Well, it brings me kind of to my next point.
BYU was left out. The Big Twelve's kind of left
out outside of Texas Tech, and even Texas Tech somewhat
underrated in my opinion in the poll in the com
Football Playoff poll. Where does the Big twelve bias stem from?
Why was BYU left out? In your opinion? What objective
data points get you lean too, and what conspiratorial points
can you point to?
Speaker 1: Well objectively, you know, we are.
Speaker 2: Twelve years into the College Football Playoff and the Big
twelve has one win as a conference and that's TCU
beating Michigan and then they got crushed by Georgia. So
that's the objective side. That's why it's critical that Texas
Tech has a run here to prove that the Big
Twelve this year was really good, especially at the top
with Tech, and that would actually help the case for
BYU and what they accomplished this year and what they
may accomplish in future seasons. So we need Texas Tech,
if you're a Big twelve fan, to put together a
run because it's hard to see how the Big Twelve
ever gets two teams into this format. If they can't
get two teams in this year. When BYU I mean yes,
they were not close games. Although the Big Twelve championship
game was a one score game late in the third quarter,
they were not close final scores. But they have two
losses to a team that I believe is the top
two or three team in the country. I know they
were ranked fourth, but I think this is a top
two or three team in the country. So if the
Big Twelve can't get two teams in this year, how
are they going to do it. They've got to get
credibility in this tournament, and that starts with Texas Tech.
So that's where I believe it is. Objectively, if you
want to look at it that way, the Big Twelve
just has not been good as a conference in the
College Football Playoff going back to the early days. Oklahoma
was just a nightmare in this thing. And then you
look at the conspiratorial side of it. You've got ESPN
partners with the SEC most notably, and they're trying to
jam as many of their teams in to help their
guys as much as they can, and they're the de
fact bolt college Football commissioners. Well that's my conspiratorial side.
The objective side is probably somewhere in the middle on
all of those things. But it has not been good
for the Big twelve.
Speaker 4: So let me post something to you, right, like we
all feel that obviously Big twelve needs a voice. You
saw that it was being underserved, undervalued all those things
over the last fifty years. I would make the argument
that the SEC and the Big ten have built their
brands the equity that we lean into, the modern day
equity that they that they automatically get right because they
were the SEC And how many NFL guys are producing
the championships. It has been bought and paid for by
liquid cash. You can combine maybe you know, with improper
payments at Ordron hopped onto a podcast Busting with the
Boy said he was asked the question about nil and
and how that could change the way that he would
how he would approach coaching. He's like, well, they come
through the front door rather than the back door. They've
been paying them forever, right, Like, we can we agree
on that premise that they've been paying improperly these student
athletes in these leagues over the last fifty years with
bag men. Absolutely, Okay, So you've built equity and you've
attracted the best players through cash funds, and maybe the
schools themselves have the TV money that it correlates to
some sort of population density right to build up their infrastructure.
But those donors have been paying players forever, and now
that everything's changing, what are they doing? You see the
actions more in conference games. They're leveraging that equity that's
been built off of cheating over the last fifty years.
And now we're like, oh, we're just going to play ourselves, right,
And you look at the paper tiger that is Texas
A and m as a perfect study. They just lost
to Miami, who lost to Louisville, who lost SMU you
know who are barely you know who beat Notre Dame. Yes,
but you can see the SEC they don't want those
things occurring. So I guess what what I'm getting at
here is the system is obviously a cartel in essence
a cabal, and the only way to expose it is
through I think expansion, and Texas Tech has to win,
Like you're right, Texas Tech has to find a way
to beat Oregon. I just have a I take issue
with this circling of the wagons that the SEC in
Big ten is executing right now. Because they've been cheating
for fifty years. You know.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing though, and this is this is I
saw the ed oorzer On stuff. There's no doubt the
SEC was playing paying under the table for years. That's undeniable.
We all know the game that was being played. But
now that it's out in the open, it's like, Okay,
so the SEC, a couple of SEC teams are doing it,
you know, a couple of Big twelve teams are doing it.
But is that a model that works for the long term?
I just I don't think it is. So I'm I'm
struggling to do you know how any of this beneficial.
Speaker 4: Do you trust that the SEC and Big ten are
not going to try to continue to cheat just because
there's some rules in place from the NCAA.
Speaker 5: Are they going to find a way around it?
Speaker 1: You mean if there was a true salary cap.
Speaker 4: Yeah, even if they say, oh, yeah, this is the
salary cap, it's not legal to set a salary cap
because there's no players union, there's no The federal government
has not allowed college athletics to be a monopoly like
the NFL, which is the only professional American football league.
Does that make sense? You don't have a players. Yeah,
so you can't. You can't put a salary cap on it.
They're going to find a way to cheat. They're going
to find a way to circumvent whatever by laws you've
put in place.
Speaker 5: That's what they've done forever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, So what's what's then your point from there?
Speaker 4: What I'm saying is even if you set up by
laws to try to try to govern it, they're gonna
cheat anyways because they had by laws in place that
they circumvented for the last fifty years.
Speaker 5: So the only way at the free market.
Speaker 4: Has to has to determine it, and the pendulum have
to swing hard this way, in my opinion, and hopefully
the free market swings to towards Texas Tech at least
this go around. Is it sustainable? Probably not, because eventually
you're gonna get donor fatigue, So it'll be it'll be
interesting to see what happens. But I do think the
pendulum needed to swing this direction. Do you want the
federal government involved now? Is the question to to govern it?
And they will they allow it not to be corrupted
in any way?
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean that's you know, that's that's I
You're laughing about it, but you're right. I mean, the
government can't do anything. Right. That being said, do we
need some type of union element to this? I mean yeah,
and basically when to treat it like a professional sport,
you know, I mean where you have salary caps and
all these different rules and regulations. It's the only way
to make it work for I think everybody, and you
know I'm a capitalist at heart. The only time some
form of socialism actually works is in sports, because that's
what you want.
Speaker 1: And there's no better brand than.
Speaker 2: The NFL on the entire planet right now, and it's
basically run through a socialistic model. So you know what,
that's the one time where I say to myself, socialism
can work when you're trying to create a level playing
field in sports to generate excitement around a team. Look
at what the Chiefs are going through right now. All
these Super Bowls in a row are.
Speaker 1: Catching up with them.
Speaker 2: Guys are tired, they're picking last every round of the
NFL draft. Their CAP's a disaster. And now you've got
these new teams. The Patriots are back in the mix,
the Chargers, the Broncos. I mean, that's what they want.
And if college football wants to basically be the NFL light,
they would be wise to have a similar model instead
of just saying, like Kenny Dillingham said the other day,
do we have a twenty million dollar dollar out there
who wants to stroke me with check?
Speaker 1: Because I mean, that's no way to run a sport.
It's a joke.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's just asking for donor fatigue right there. Right,
you have to have some sort of sustainable or the
universities can cease to take advantage of their student athletes
and actually treat them as employees. But heaven forbid they
have to pay out on workmen's comp or provide any
sort of insurance, or provide any sort of like long
term advocacy for those student athletes.
Speaker 5: Right. They just want to be able to make the
money off.
Speaker 4: They want a TV, right, So they're not going to
employ that.
Speaker 1: They don't.
Speaker 4: They don't want anything like that because that that that
exposed them too much. So all this altruistic student athlete
talk goes out the window as soon as they have
to employ them. So evil nature, in my opinion, Pete
always appreciate our time final thing before we let you
go BYU Notre dame. They just they just stroked a
home and home rather than the pop tart ball. The
quitting Irish said, hey, we'll just give you a home
a home. We'll do it on our own terms rather
than pay. You know, one of the TV TV, I
don't know, powerbrokers in college football.
Speaker 2: Your reaction, well, you know, I'm glad Notre Dame put
on its big boy pints. They should have been playing
in the pop tards fold, but they were too cowardly
to do it. You know, it's too bad, because when
you want to prove that you are the team that
got hosed, you go out there and do it.
Speaker 1: Notre Dame did not want to.
Speaker 2: I remember the first year of the playoff, TCU got
bumped down from number three to number six the final
weekend after blasting Iowa State fifty five to three in
their final game of the regular season. What did they do?
They went out there. They crushed Old Miss in the
Sugar Bowl. I believe it was Gary Patterson. Didn't cry,
didn't complain, He went out there and he proved that
that team was worthy of being in the playoff, and
they were worthy of being in the playoff. Instead, Notre
Dame takes its ball and goes home. It's nice they've
scheduled a home and home In part that's because USC
said they're done going to South Bend in November with
their grueling nine game Big ten schedule.
Speaker 1: I don't blame them one bit, and you know, not
that I needed another reason to be.
Speaker 2: On BYU bandwagon, but I'm definitely going to be on
it for those games.
Speaker 1: Actually, all Big twelve fans.
Speaker 4: Pete Mundo, ladies and gentlemen, Pete, we appreciate you joining us.
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Speaker 5: Thanks so much, Pete.
Speaker 1: All right, we appreciate it. See you guys. Here you go.
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Speaker 5: Be Pop. How you living?
Speaker 3: Good morning, fellas, how you doing.
Speaker 4: Doing fantastic man, appreciate you hopping on to discuss the
college football world. What did you make of the first
weekend of the college football Playoff?
Speaker 5: What stood out to you?
Speaker 3: Well, we obviously need a bigger field. I think that's
the biggest thing, because as it continues to evolve, my
mind in my back of my head is always like, well,
you know, Miami did a good job. Obviously they beat
Texas A and m Notre Dame played Miami pretty tough,
you know. Notre Dame was kind of hitting this shot
at the end of the year. Who knows, you just
you know, also as BYU other teams that were on
the bubble there that you think, man, if they get hot,
play the right teams, matchups or everything we know about that,
you just never know. You just never know. And so
it just to me it's if we want to really
they have a system that can determine an undisputed champion,
you have to make it to where it's've got more
teams in there. So you get to a point when
you get to probably say twenty teams, to where it's like,
you know, if you're twenty one twenty two, you're probably
so far out of it that'll win it, you know
what I'm saying. But you've got a big enough net
there where you catch the teams from probably that twelve
to a twenty mark that they probably could depending on health,
depending on matchups, and it makes it more exciting. And
then you can still include, you know, the G five
teams because they're obviously out matched. The G five division
itself is by nature becoming more and more of its
own division outside of P four, just because if you
have any really good G five players the most likely
gone the next year. So the talent discrepancy is huge. Obviously,
they don't have the resources to get the kind of
coaching that the P four levels do. So you see
all these coaches stepping up to the P four level
most ca and so the reality is is it's it's
its on league. And so I would probably say, hey,
maybe have their own tournament with the G five leagues,
you know, and can it incorporate with the P four
tournament Maybe, but most likely not, you know, And I'm including,
you know, into this P four thinking the team like
Boise State and some other these borderline G five teams
are right there to becoming P four's, but it's it's
to me, it's creating a natural divide to where we
are just going to see I believe it, you know,
twenty team field at least, and the field would be
amongst the P four teams. Also, you know, additional G
four teams that are are pretty much there anyway, like
Boise State, and then you know you'll have your G
five kind of like an FCS, you know. So I
think I think it's already kind of happening, you know,
where we're seeing this divide and things evolved, but it's
it shows that there is a lot yet to still
be changed.
Speaker 4: If it was a twenty team playoff, the first team
out or that the team out would be Virginia. It
looks like it would have been if we if we
allowed the top six.
Speaker 5: Right conference champions, they're they're the out of it.
Speaker 4: So let's say GMU and Tulane both get in, the
first team out would have been Virginia. Virginia wouldn't have
got in, and then you know, obviously Houston, Georgia, Tech, Iowa,
North Texas, those guys are all out.
Speaker 5: But that's a good feel. Yeah, Michigan get yeah.
Speaker 3: But you're you're right, you know, we're not We're not complaining.
I wouldn't think anybody would bil like, oh wow, Virginia
is you know there, they could maybe win the whole thing.
You know, they lost obviously their championship games. So that's
what solves it. Because to me, I always go back
to two thousand and four Ben where we played usc
who's supposedly voted as like one of the greatest college
football teams ever, and then we followed up you know,
that year we played Utah and I left the game
against Utah fan like Utah would absolutely own USC, you
know what I mean. And now whether that happens or not,
whether that's true or not, we'll never know. But the
problem is is that I had that thought and it
never had any time to be put them out, you know,
put it to the test on the field. And that's
the whole point of a playoff, is that you wanted
to spit out or produce an undisputed champion. And so
you go back two thousand and four, that to me
is not you know, whoever won. I don't even think.
I think USC you might even have split it.
Speaker 1: But but I do.
Speaker 3: Look, there's even you know, an undisputed champion, and they
sayd of the best team ever, we don't know they
didn't play the best teams, you know, because you tell
they never had a chance to face. And so that's
what we're trying to avoid here, and we're getting closer
to it, and I believe there's some more tweaks that's
eventually gonna make that tournament like a legit tournament. But
you know what, we're we're still ways away. And but
the fact that YU, for example, was a game or
a win away for being there I think right there,
you're you're you're excited if you're you're BYU because you're
right in the thick of it. You just got to
go out and win the games in front of you
and and you're gonna be in that tournament. And then
when you're in the tournament, you just never know.
Speaker 4: Was Texas A and M the most overrated team in
college football this year?
Speaker 3: I don't know about that. I believe every week every
team is different. There's dynamics of injuries and player improvement
and development that take place, some digress because the progression
is ever linear. And we can say that also about
head coaches and offensive coordinators and defensive coordinators. They're they're
also on this, you know, trajectory, whether they're improving or
getting worse or evolving or not. And so there was
a time where, for sure, I believe Texas A and
M was playing at a very high level. They re
deserve to kind of hype they were getting, and then
they just fell off for whatever reason, and they just
have locked the consistency. They've locked the ability to play
well against good teams. They obviously locked the ability in
the playoff to really stand up against the Miami team
that came in hungry and they just didn't get it done.
So I don't think there's an issue of a hype there.
I just look at it as an issue of where's
your team at week after week, and they kind of
peaked at the beginning in the middle of the season
and then just teled off.
Speaker 5: As far as the other games.
Speaker 4: Right, everyone's talking about how tou Lane in JM you
didn't deserve to be in No Cinderella is everyone wants
to get rid of Cinderella's now, But there's plenty of
data points to show that there's been blowouts, like ten
blowouts P four versus P four.
Speaker 5: You can go down the list of.
Speaker 4: Teams I think I was Ohio State was skunked once.
I mean, Tennessee lost big last year. What's your retort
to that? Do you agree or disagree with the No
Cinderella movement.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure that's what they mean. What I mean,
what I think their meaning is there is a distinct,
like when you look at Tulane James Madison. When I'm
watching them, there's an absolute difference in the level of
football being played. And you know, like for example, when
you go to the NFL there's the Jets is one
of the worst team I actually think of, well, who's
got the first pick? I think maybe it's the rag Giants.
I don't know. But let's say, like you look at
the Jets when the Jets come walking out and you
see the raw ability versus the Eagles, Let's say, who's
probably the top team. Sure, the Eagles are going to
have some more between quotations raw talent, but that's because
they've developed that talent. They have a good teams around
that talent. That's a good organization, but it's really not
raw talent wise, there's not a difference. And you can
almost say that about every NFL team raw talent, if
you just broke down you know their speed and movement skills.
It's all pretty much the same across the board. Now,
when you look at Tulane versus Oh Miss James Madison
versus Oregon, there's a discrepancy, and it's like and so
there's already this inherent disadvantage because you just don't have
the inherent physical talent. You know, if you're these G
five teams I explained already wise because when you get
guys you developed at that level because everybody's on a
different director, everybody's on a kind of a different growth curve.
Those guys leave and they go to P fours. So
it's just the system now where you just don't have
the talent level and I'm talking physical, raw talent, I'm
not talking football talent that now has made these two
leagues very different. And that's the discrepancy I think everybody's seeing.
And that's what's kind of annoying because it's like unless
Tulane just either played out of their minor James Madison
or the opposite was either one of those teams acts
you know, Will's fell off, they get cocky and they
just you know, completely disaster. There's really not a good
game now if it's P four versus P four and
it's a blowout, well heck, now we're talking about scheme discrepancy,
strategy discrepancy. You know, we're talking about other things than
just the inherent ability to show up to be part
of the table. Is the is the big I think
problem and people see that. It's not hard to see
when you when you see teams go against each other
where one team just by far has more speed, more strength,
more power than the other. Team, and it's like it's
like it is literally watching two different levels. And that's
I think the problem.
Speaker 4: So the top twenty five rankings, I mean JMU would
be out two lane was I think right there in
the top twenty per the College Football Playoff. Maybe just
one of those teams gets in. Maybe one type of
Cinderellas story could maybe get into the playoff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because if you put it into twenty. But
like I said, I don't even know as we continue
forward through this this era where now, I mean, there's
more of a priority now and a an emphasis a
necessity would even be a good word of running in
a for profit operation, a football or even an athletic
department that makes a profit than there's ever been. I mean,
that's why you have dealing ham in Arizona's soliciting for
twenty million dollars, you know publicly is because they can't
run a profitable operation unless somebody floats them and lends
the money. You tall, you know, they're getting the private
equity money a five hundred million dollars, which is not bad.
These aren't bad things. But the point I'm bringing up
is this not like it used to be, where the
money was at a point where, yeah, you could have
a donor come in and write a check. It would
be a probably a million dollar check and okay, that
covered your your expenses, and that covered your loss because
you went over your budget. Now you have to operate
with profit in mind. You have to at least spend
what you make. You know, if you're spending more than
you may, okay, then you got a goo debt. And
now if you get debt, now I got to pay
off their debt plus interest. Okay. That makes even more
incumbent that you find and made it way to make revenue.
And if the money is so big now you don't
have the ability to go to most donors, probably ninety
five percent of them now, especially if you're talking you know,
and some places in the country that used to really
you know, have these donors and say hey, we need
your help, because not these donors don't have enough money
to do that. That's how big the money's getting. And
so my point is is that is exponentially growing, and
these G fives are exponentially leaving the other way. The
natural happening here is the super conference. Well, we're going
to have G five pretty much be FCS, it'll be
you know, P four G five Division one double AFC.
I think the FCS and Division one Double A are
the same. They becomes its own division. And I already
see that right now. It's very clear that, just like
I said, based off of raw talent, is its own division.
And it's very easy to see that. And again it's
it's very easy to see that because any player that
develops to be really good at that level is gone
the next year because these P four teams are offering
them bigger money.
Speaker 4: Britdympinger here on ESPN and the frame b Baby Brady,
excuse me, we want to talk BYU Notre Dame. Now
they didn't play in the pop dars ball Notre Dame.
He's no longer the fighting ares of their quitting Irish.
But they they try to redeem themselves. They schedule a
home at home with BYU and USC. The USC game
essential is essentially canceled. The lunch standing Notre Dame USC
game is canceled BYU Notre Dame.
Speaker 5: Your reaction to the news.
Speaker 3: Love it like like you just use the word redemption.
I lost a lot of respect for Notre Dame for
their unwillingness to want to play. I thought that was
not good for the younger guys that need that extra time,
want that extra time. I mean, you only get to
play football once and when it's over, it's over. But
one thing that you can do to kind of redeem
yourself is, yeah, a schedule, good team, you know. And
I think that's a heck of a heck of a
deal for us, you know, to get Notre Dame, because
it shows also where Notre Dame sees us. You know,
years past, Notre Dame would not have taken an equal
home and home. They would have said, Okay, if we're
going to you, then you got to come to us twice, right,
And then they didn't even want to come to us,
and they had a neutral sidea in Vegas where they
were allowing seventy five percent of the tickets to the
fans of Notre Dame. But so yeah, I mean the
fact that they were willing to come and they know
that that's going to help their resume and ability to
rank where they need to rank to qualify for the playoffs.
That shows we're at with the whole landscape of P
four and power football. We're one of them. Right now,
you know, so that that Notre Dame sees that. So
I look at that and say thank you for the
respect and the opportunity, and then at the same time, yeah,
I mean it goes to show you. I think there's
you know, I know Marcus Freeman, I know I don't
know him directly, but I know guys around him, like
James Laarnidis, a j Hawk, who are good buddies of
mine that I played in the NFL with. One was
aj was my roommate who had played with Marcus Freeman
Ohio State. And I know how those guys think, and
I know based off that it looked like they were
running from us for BYU, So it makes sense that
they want to show no, we weren't running away from you.
We're trying to prove a point boom so much so
we're going to put you on the schedule and we'll
come to you next year to start us off. So
great thing to happen twenty two years later, finally come
aback to Provo. Sure it's going to be an electric,
great game, great opponent. And yeah, I kind of redeemed themselves,
although again, like I said, I really still fell back
for those younger guys on Notre Dame that don't have
extra practices, don't have anupper extra game to show themselves.
Speaker 4: The college football cabal, the cartel that I how I
deem it. They're trying to pressure Notre Dame into joining
a conference. Joey McGuire, Big twelve Texas tech head coach said, Hey,
if you're in a conference Notre Dame, he said that today,
then you're in the playoff. Do you think Notre Dame
acquiesces and follows suit and falls in line with the
college football cabal and joins a conference eventually, if.
Speaker 3: They're smart, they would. Now here's the big nuance that
I think we have to understand a lot of times.
When you say independence Notre Dame, what that means is
is they control all their revenue income. They don't share
it because they don't have to. And that is a fact.
The Notre Dame brand, the following their cachet is enough
to where they don't need a conference to try to profit.
They don't need a conference to generate hundreds of millions
of dollars billions of dollars in revenue. They don't need that.
And so a lot of people I think you know,
from the Notre Dame side, when people are telling them,
like you said, Coach Griver, say hey, you need to
during a conference, they look at like, well, hey, we
don't need to join your conference to get these revenue streams. Sure,
and that's not what we're saying. What we're saying is
is you need to join a conference to clarify where
you sit in terms of the rankings, either qualify for
the playoffs or not. And the best way to do
that is, yeah, go and play a P four conference
schedule with similar opponents than your other teams that you're facing.
Because he's right, I mean, and if you would have
had them in the ACC this last year, it's probably
you know, they're in the championship game at the very least, right,
and then then they probably went in them and they're
they're better than both Virginia and Duke. I mean, I
don't know what happened to the tie breakers where Miami
couldn't get in there, but but yeah, I mean, it's
it creates a very clear path. Like I said, with
here we are here, we are BYU kind of the
same thing happened to us as Notre Dame. But I
don't feel like Notre Dame. I don't feel like we
got yanked at all. I felt like we had our chance.
We put it in the lap of the the you know,
the committee, and that's on us. You know, we shouldn't
be putting it in their lab. We had every every
opportunity by just winning games and especially the championship game
to get in and we didn't do it. So, hey,
that's just how it goes. You gotta win the games
in front of you to qualify for whatever you got
to get done. We didn't do that, and so it
actually helps s to day. That's I think the thing
that they need to realize it help. They're helping themselves
by getting in a conference, But you're going to have
to get into a conference and negotiate it. Do when
you basically tell every other member of that conference, like, hey,
we're going to be a part of your conference, but
we're not going to share revenue. And that might be
the sticking point and if im them they don't need
a conference to make money. But then at the same time,
that conference just by having Notre Dame in there without
any revenue share, without Notre Dame, you know, funneling any
dollars into the conference. That is a huge asset and
a huge value add So I can even see if
you have a smart you know, some smart business people
working together and finding that middle ground to where it
will make sense for everybody. So I hope it works
out that way. Uh, but we'll see if you know,
and things kind of move slowly, but we'll see if
you know, all these good minds can get together and
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