Speaker 1: You'll be away five seventeen. Do you want to report
Speaker 1: a UFO hanging in? We don't want to report every
Speaker 1: thirty one. Do you wish to report a.
Speaker 2: UFO over hey, we want to one of those.
Speaker 1: Data areas thirty one.
Speaker 3: Do you wish to find a report of any kind
Speaker 3: of it?
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Speaker 1: Time areas thirty one me neither there. See if it
Speaker 1: was actually uh above us to pass us, like thirty
Speaker 1: seconds ago, we.
Speaker 3: Were sending one of golf negative.
Speaker 1: Okay, OFFI the UFO. Yeah, it's murder two nine o'clock.
Speaker 4: Yes, I'll passed over, I go.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it was, but it's from at
Speaker 1: least to three thousand feet above us.
Speaker 3: See, I passed right over the top of.
Speaker 5: Us ninety one one.
Speaker 2: Guy, you just called both to be be four rest
Speaker 2: they're after.
Speaker 1: Staying the airplanes.
Speaker 4: Here to God on an unidentified object, every liberty or
Speaker 4: call or calm on an unidentified flying object.
Speaker 6: Welcome to UFO Chronicles, a place where people share their
Speaker 6: experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had an encounter,
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Speaker 3: Hello everyone, and welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: How are you all doing.
Speaker 3: I'm Nick Hunter and this is the UFO Chronicles podcast.
Speaker 3: This episode, we meet James Pike, a relaxed seven calor
Speaker 3: Fournia surfer who experienced a life altering event on the
Speaker 3: night of July fifteenth, two thousand and six. While driving
Speaker 3: from Santa Biabra to Portland, Oregon, he encountered something extraordinary
Speaker 3: and as he navigated the highway at sixty five miles
Speaker 3: per hour, an object appeared, capturing his full attention. He
Speaker 3: found himself a lot in a surreal event at what
Speaker 3: he believed to be an unidentified flying object. James is
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Speaker 3: Hello James, Welcome to the podcast. Hello, it's great to
Speaker 3: have you join us today, and you're calling from the
Speaker 3: state of California.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm here in Galda, California, that.
Speaker 3: Is close to Santa Barbara.
Speaker 1: Right next to Santa Barbara.
Speaker 3: My great aunt actually lived there. She married a gi
Speaker 3: just after the war, and yeah, that's where she lived.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, Yeah, it's a beautiful place.
Speaker 7: Great stuff.
Speaker 3: Okay, now, James, you have some experiences you're going to
Speaker 3: be sharing with us. Would you like to start at
Speaker 3: the beginning, please, sir?
Speaker 1: Sure. I would say that everything for me started in
Speaker 1: two thousand and six when I decided to move up
Speaker 1: to Portland, Oregon from Santa Barbara. At the time, I
Speaker 1: was dating a girl that was from Alaska, and we
Speaker 1: had fallen in love and had spent eight months talking
Speaker 1: on the phone with each other, and she even did
Speaker 1: her last year of high school so that we could
Speaker 1: be together. And she was such an amazing artist that
Speaker 1: we or she got a scholarship to a major art
Speaker 1: college in Portland, and so instead of breaking up, I
Speaker 1: decided that I wanted to go with her.
Speaker 7: And so.
Speaker 1: I was telling my stepfather on the phone about how
Speaker 1: I'd used his credit card to rent a U haul
Speaker 1: and I was going to drive through the night with
Speaker 1: the girl from Alaska, because when I was down in
Speaker 1: La one time my car was going to break down
Speaker 1: and I had to turn on the heater and she
Speaker 1: just had to strip off all of her clothes down
Speaker 1: to her bear underwear and sit in the backseat. And
Speaker 1: so for some reason that experience of her not being
Speaker 1: able to handle the heat, I told my stepfather that
Speaker 1: I was going to drive through the night, and he
Speaker 1: said most industrial accidents happened between two and three o'clock
Speaker 1: in the morning, and that's not actually true, but it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. That's what he said, kind of in his
Speaker 1: New York accent. He's like a tax attorney and a
Speaker 1: lawyer and a master modelship guy, so he's a very
Speaker 1: detail oriented guy. And when he said that, right when
Speaker 1: he said three o'clock, I think I was in Montecito, California,
Speaker 1: at my home at the time on my cell phone.
Speaker 1: I was standing up with the phone up to my ear.
Speaker 1: I just spontaneously ended up in the U haul that
Speaker 1: I was about to rent at night, with my hands
Speaker 1: on the steering wheel, and I kind of had this
Speaker 1: view from above my head looking out, and I was
Speaker 1: on a lonely part of the five that I was
Speaker 1: going to drive up Interstate five. I saw these headlights
Speaker 1: coming at me, or at least I interpreted it as headlights,
Speaker 1: two lights that were white, but they were like right
Speaker 1: on my bumper of the car, and so I sort
Speaker 1: of interpreted that as I was going to die. And
Speaker 1: then right as the lights were going to hit me,
Speaker 1: I came back on the phone with Richard, and Richard
Speaker 1: was basically wondering what had happened. I'm not sure how
Speaker 1: much time had elapsed, maybe like forty seconds or something
Speaker 1: like that. He was saying hello, Hello, and I looked
Speaker 1: down at my arm, and I would never forget it.
Speaker 1: There were these goose bumps that were just huge, and
Speaker 1: it looked like moguls on a ski slope, and all
Speaker 1: of the air on my arm was standing straight up,
Speaker 1: and I just I couldn't stop looking at it. I
Speaker 1: was just baffled when my whole body kind of felt
Speaker 1: this like not so much like electric, but it just
Speaker 1: ended up that way. I don't know, And so I've
Speaker 1: never had anything like that happen where I've just spontaneously
Speaker 1: ended up somewhere and came back like an awaking dream.
Speaker 1: But it was some kind of spontaneous psychic flash. And
Speaker 1: I've always had a fear of dying, and so I
Speaker 1: sort of felt like it was my ninth life as
Speaker 1: a cat coming it was the last one because it
Speaker 1: was dragging through the night's pretty dangerous. I got really
Speaker 1: paranoid about it. I called the girl up from Alaska
Speaker 1: and said, hey, you know, this vision happened and I'm
Speaker 1: really scared and it was interesting. She said, well, I
Speaker 1: think we should just go anyways and see what happens.
Speaker 1: So that was a lot more anxiety on top of it.
Speaker 1: And at the place that I was living at, it
Speaker 1: was actually, for lack of a better word, haunted. It
Speaker 1: was in Montecito off of Chelham Way, and it was
Speaker 1: tuck next to a creek, and my mom had actually
Speaker 1: left it six months before and just paid the rent
Speaker 1: so I could live there. After half of a girl
Speaker 1: walked past her and gave her a snooty look. I
Speaker 1: woke up in the morning, my mom was just gone.
Speaker 1: She never came back. And I lived in that house
Speaker 1: where the light switches would go on and off and
Speaker 1: there was this cold breeze that would come down the
Speaker 1: way and all kind of culminated it. These chimes that
Speaker 1: I have that I still have to this day, and
Speaker 1: I put them on the top of the commode. At
Speaker 1: three o'clock in the morning or so, in the middle
Speaker 1: of the night, I went to use the bathroom, and
Speaker 1: when I walked out, I heard these footsteps and then
Speaker 1: the chimes got hit, and then I turned the lights on,
Speaker 1: and they were moving and there was nothing that could
Speaker 1: fall or hit it. And so has anybody that's lived
Speaker 1: in a place where there's all kinds of weird stuff
Speaker 1: that you can't explain, you just don't want it to
Speaker 1: happen again. So I took it the chimes and wrapped
Speaker 1: it in a bed sheet and put it under a
Speaker 1: pillow cushion and then went back to bed. And so
Speaker 1: she was aware of that as well. And the one
Speaker 1: room that my mom had seen the ghost in or
Speaker 1: whatever had these giant mirrors everywhere, like it was some
Speaker 1: kind of weird ballet studio, but in a tiny studio apartment.
Speaker 1: So there was that kind of weird vibe going on too,
Speaker 1: and so I was kind of happy to leave that place.
Speaker 1: And so when she finally showed up, nothing was packed.
Speaker 1: And I just had been paralyzed by just being overwhelmed
Speaker 1: with my ADHD and all of the weird ghost stuff
Speaker 1: at night and my mom was having to call me
Speaker 1: up and ask me why the power bell was so expensive,
Speaker 1: because the only way I could sleep was to keep
Speaker 1: all the lights on at night. And so we left
Speaker 1: on July fifteenth of two thousand and six and decided
Speaker 1: that I was going to leave around seven thirty pm.
Speaker 1: I took a nice power nap before that around noon
Speaker 1: after seeing some friends, and then woke up. I got
Speaker 1: in the U hall. I remember it was exactly seven
Speaker 1: point thirty. We were pulling my Honda Accord nineteen eighty
Speaker 1: seven that my grandmother had gotten from an old lady
Speaker 1: in Pacific Grove who I don't think ever drove it
Speaker 1: since nineteen eighty seven and was just cherry. So that
Speaker 1: was going to be our ride up there. And we
Speaker 1: got on the road and everything seemed okay, you know,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, we got to the grape
Speaker 1: Vine and we started heading down and I didn't know
Speaker 1: what I was doing. It was twenty one and I
Speaker 1: had never driven with the trailer behind me. And the
Speaker 1: next thing I know, we're flying down this last little
Speaker 1: strip before it goes straight forever. And it was just
Speaker 1: forty five minutes of how I mean, I just didn't
Speaker 1: know what I was doing. I should have put it
Speaker 1: in a lower gear, but instead I just smoked the brakes,
Speaker 1: and the rear view mirror was sort of this horrific
Speaker 1: thing I kept looking at because every time I looked
Speaker 1: back and see the little Honda whipping back and forth
Speaker 1: about the jackknife. And then the girl that I was
Speaker 1: with will Color Alaska, for lack of a better word,
Speaker 1: she was like, what's going on, Like it's fine, and
Speaker 1: it wasn't fine. And we finally got down to the
Speaker 1: bottom of the hill and there was like a stack
Speaker 1: of semis behind us, and I thought we were going
Speaker 1: to make the news. And even just thinking about it
Speaker 1: right now, it gives me a lot of anxiety. I
Speaker 1: was just so happy to get to the bottom of
Speaker 1: that hill. At the gas station, I was just shaking,
Speaker 1: and I thought, well, maybe that was it, you know,
Speaker 1: the vision that I had, and it was somehow correlated
Speaker 1: to this experience. And then I thought, you know, as
Speaker 1: I was getting gased, what's going to happen at three
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning. Great, And I kind of was
Speaker 1: like thinking about this open road, and I knew that
Speaker 1: I didn't really have a destination of where I was
Speaker 1: going to end. I was just going to see how
Speaker 1: far I could go and just pass out some where.
Speaker 1: So I got a bunch of coffee and all of
Speaker 1: these things to stay constantly awake. I don't even think
Speaker 1: I drank any water whatsoever. I was just drinking coffee
Speaker 1: after coffee, and about three o'clock in the morning, nothing happened.
Speaker 1: And at that point Alaska was asleep and passed out,
Speaker 1: and there was nobody on the road. We were just
Speaker 1: south of crows Landing, and I decided that I would
Speaker 1: play with the radio. In around three zero eight, I
Speaker 1: saw three lights, just evenly distributed white lights, and at
Speaker 1: first they thought it was a radar tower. But I
Speaker 1: actually had my eyes focused on that part of the
Speaker 1: sky for some reason and watched it just come out
Speaker 1: of thin air. And so as the lights came out
Speaker 1: vertically about less than one hundred feet from the ground,
Speaker 1: I noticed that they flipped instantly only and then started
Speaker 1: to descend to the left side of the U haul.
Speaker 1: There was a full moon about like a week ago
Speaker 1: before that, so there was pretty good luminosity, so but I,
Speaker 1: for some reason I just couldn't see it. All I
Speaker 1: could see were the lights and so I was kind
Speaker 1: of irritated. I was looking at it, going, all right,
Speaker 1: what is it? Is it a helicopter? You know, they
Speaker 1: do all kinds of crop dusting in the middle of
Speaker 1: the night. I've done a lot of night driving, so
Speaker 1: I've seen that in agricultural areas, and so then I'm thinking, well,
Speaker 1: what's going on. It's going too slow, it would just
Speaker 1: fall out of the sky, and it's not making any noise,
Speaker 1: and I'm sort of getting to this point where i
Speaker 1: just want to know what it is. I'm so confused
Speaker 1: and I'm like almost kind of mad.
Speaker 4: Like what is it.
Speaker 1: I then watched it go over to a field and
Speaker 1: it was a horseshoe shaped kind of boomerang, but more
Speaker 1: of a horseshoe, and it had a little bubble in
Speaker 1: the middle and the three lights in the front of
Speaker 1: it combined to one spot, and it was looking at
Speaker 1: the dirt. It was just sort of a silver, gray metal,
Speaker 1: a little bit metallic looking, but it was probably about
Speaker 1: less than a thousand yards away or so in the field.
Speaker 1: As I was driving, I just had this amazing view
Speaker 1: because it came down and came out of the sky
Speaker 1: and sort of placed itself over there to the left,
Speaker 1: at about you know, a thousand yards away, and so
Speaker 1: I was sort of vectoring with it. I was coming
Speaker 1: up into it and getting this amazing perspective, and I
Speaker 1: was looking right across at it, and finally I'm getting
Speaker 1: a great look at it, and the lights they combined
Speaker 1: into one spot, and I can see that it's a
Speaker 1: torn up field. And my next kind of adhd thought was,
Speaker 1: is you just came from all that way and you're
Speaker 1: not even gonna come over and say hi to me.
Speaker 1: You're more interested in dirt, which led to an obsession
Speaker 1: with dirt later on, wanting to know what the hell
Speaker 1: why it was so interested in that. But another thought was,
Speaker 1: this is sort of like the Holy Trinity. It is
Speaker 1: like Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit all in one spot,
Speaker 1: but they're in three different places in the universe. And
Speaker 1: I been going to church a lot, and so it's
Speaker 1: kind of kind of coming out of dating God and
Speaker 1: kind of becoming my own and finding truth on my own.
Speaker 1: But I had that image because I had never understood
Speaker 1: the tradedy or made sense, so that that was another
Speaker 1: awkward moment, and then all of a sudden it kind
Speaker 1: of hit me like a stack of bricks. Like all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, I kind of came out of the
Speaker 1: experience and kind of saw it and was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, that's a real UFO. I got I got
Speaker 1: really excited. All of a sudden, it turned into kind
Speaker 1: of like the sensation, and I think thought, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: I've got it to Alaska, and so I damn. I
Speaker 1: hit her right across the chest, just out of elation,
Speaker 1: and I said, take a look at that shit. And
Speaker 1: you know, not my most poetic moment, but that's just
Speaker 1: what I said to keep it just authentic.
Speaker 4: And I.
Speaker 1: Scared her right. And but when I said it, it
Speaker 1: was also like the UFO was Alaska, because it was
Speaker 1: the same reaction. It came right over like instantly, like
Speaker 1: it heard me, which blew my mind. And then the
Speaker 1: amount of time that it took to come over and
Speaker 1: cover a thousand yards was instantaneous, and I didn't realize
Speaker 1: that was going to happen. I sort of thought that
Speaker 1: I was removed from this experience. It's sort of thought
Speaker 1: as like, you know, somebody who serves a lot and
Speaker 1: have spent a lot of time in mother nature. I
Speaker 1: was sort of observing this thing and now here it
Speaker 1: heard me, and it was coming over like I threw
Speaker 1: a rock in a pond or something, and it came
Speaker 1: over and it made no noise whatsoever, and came right
Speaker 1: over at the left side of the door and was
Speaker 1: hovering about, I don't know, maybe three or six feet
Speaker 1: above the ground. It came really close to the driver's
Speaker 1: side door. I mean, if I was to every time
Speaker 1: I think about it, I feel like it hit me.
Speaker 1: It came within like three feet five feet and then
Speaker 1: sort of all of a sudden juxtaposed itself and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden was flying backwards in front of
Speaker 1: me at maybe about twenty feet or so. And at
Speaker 1: that point I wasn't going to stop. I was definitely
Speaker 1: going to keep going. It wasn't making any noise, and
Speaker 1: it was wobbling like it was sort of out of control.
Speaker 1: At four at nine o'clock, kind of osciolating, almost as
Speaker 1: though it looked like whoever was lying it didn't have
Speaker 1: control of it. And then the other really striking thing
Speaker 1: was is it had this fog around it that I
Speaker 1: just immediately became obsessed with. It was sort of like
Speaker 1: it it was just presented there and I was just
Speaker 1: thinking about being a boy scout and observation and really
Speaker 1: going into Okay, I got to look at all the
Speaker 1: different parts of this thing, like what is it? And
Speaker 1: I could see that they were stars that were perfectly
Speaker 1: clear outside of it, but then really close to it,
Speaker 1: they were fuzzy, like the TV fuzz on a screen
Speaker 1: where it's just static, and I just it just blew
Speaker 1: my mind. It was like a giant firefly and it
Speaker 1: was beautiful. It was created a halo and it was
Speaker 1: that kind of like golden color as well, and I
Speaker 1: just I looked at the whole thing, I mean, all
Speaker 1: four parts of it, and it was all congruent. There
Speaker 1: were stars you could and stars you couldn't see. And
Speaker 1: at that point I was looking at the wing as well,
Speaker 1: and it was like just the thinnest wing I've ever
Speaker 1: seen on an aircraft. I mean it was less than
Speaker 1: a quarter of an inch, maybe even half of that.
Speaker 1: And then the bubble itself had like the contours of
Speaker 1: like a Porsche or a batmanbile name. It was very
Speaker 1: very streamlined, very very simple, very clean. I mean I
Speaker 1: wanted to fly this thing and looked amazing, but the
Speaker 1: bubble itself was so small that I was trying to
Speaker 1: debate if there was actually something inside of it alive
Speaker 1: or not because it's such a small occupancy area. Later
Speaker 1: on would come to find those hot wheel cars that
Speaker 1: little kids drive around would be the perfect size seat
Speaker 1: to fit in something like this, so like about the
Speaker 1: size of a toddler could have fit in there. But
Speaker 1: the wings itself were probably about almost as wide as
Speaker 1: the road underneath me, so about over twenty feet and
Speaker 1: probably maybe another fifteen feet with the wings coming back,
Speaker 1: and there was this interesting etching into the metal where
Speaker 1: it was broken into four quadrants. So one wing was
Speaker 1: broken into two. One we're wing broken into two, and
Speaker 1: with that division in line at fifty to fifty right
Speaker 1: in the middle, there were eight circles that looked like
Speaker 1: they were etched into the metal in each of the
Speaker 1: corners on that border. And I was really fascinated with that.
Speaker 1: I was like thinking, was this meme with the mold
Speaker 1: or you know what is that? And I felt like
Speaker 1: I was studying it for a reason. And that's when
Speaker 1: probably after maybe thirty seconds of this, I noticed that
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it just came in even closer
Speaker 1: and it cut the distance and now all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: it's like ten feet or closer. And when it did that,
Speaker 1: me and Alaska both kind of pushed back into our
Speaker 1: seat and was like, whoa. I remember sort of feeling
Speaker 1: like a like a rat in a rain storm, just
Speaker 1: holding onto a log, or that scene in Indiana Jones
Speaker 1: where he's walking underneath the cave with all the rats
Speaker 1: and just like just holding on for dear life. And
Speaker 1: that was the first time that I actually thought to myself,
Speaker 1: is this friendly?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: And I was trying to assess my own feelings about it.
Speaker 1: That's when I kind of had this image of like, well,
Speaker 1: where would a weapon even be on it? Okay, these
Speaker 1: wings are so thin, like you can't put a bomb
Speaker 1: in there. And then I had like this weird, adhd
Speaker 1: abstract thought of like a little laser beam, like coming
Speaker 1: out of a square hole and hitting us with this
Speaker 1: red beam. And then I was like, what's the purpose
Speaker 1: of that? And the whole time I was too afraid
Speaker 1: to look into the lights of the craft itself, and
Speaker 1: I at that point when it came in close, I
Speaker 1: finally surrendered and I looked right into the center light.
Speaker 1: That reminded me of a pool light, probably about nine
Speaker 1: or eleven inches across, and it was this really interesting
Speaker 1: white that was like kind of a soft white, but
Speaker 1: with like a little bit of brilliance to it. And
Speaker 1: when I looked right into it, I know, when I
Speaker 1: look into normal lights and I look away like I
Speaker 1: did right now, I see spots and I didn't have
Speaker 1: any of that whatsoever. It was almost like the light
Speaker 1: was made for my retina. And when I looked into it,
Speaker 1: that's when I looked down at the speedometer and kind
Speaker 1: of had this moment of shock where I thought to myself,
Speaker 1: Oh God, And the speedometer was stuck at sixty five
Speaker 1: like the U haul truck probably like about a fifteen
Speaker 1: foot long UULD track was off. And I had been
Speaker 1: playing a game with this pedometer before to try to
Speaker 1: keep it still, just as something to keep me awake
Speaker 1: at night. And I was like, oh my god, check me,
Speaker 1: how is that even possible? And the car must be off.
Speaker 1: But I knew we hadn't stopped because things were moving
Speaker 1: past us. And my hand was at about, I don't know,
Speaker 1: like twelve o'clock and my right hand in my left
Speaker 1: hand was at six o'clock, and I tried to move
Speaker 1: my right arm, and it was like concrete and it
Speaker 1: wouldn't move, and I kind of bounced my body back
Speaker 1: and forth a little bit. I realized at that moment
Speaker 1: that I was not driving the vehicle anymore, and it
Speaker 1: was sort of like the last surrender, and I just
Speaker 1: closed my eyes afterwards, like almost like the light made
Speaker 1: me close my eyes. But I thought that I closed
Speaker 1: my eyes. I sort of. I sort of just felt
Speaker 1: like everything was so out of control and I didn't
Speaker 1: have any control over my body at that point that
Speaker 1: I just needed to escape from this and that was
Speaker 1: the only thing I could do, And so I had
Speaker 1: control over that, I guess or I just thought I did.
Speaker 1: But then now I'm have my eyes closed, and I'm
Speaker 1: just completely aware that somebody's inside of my mind, and
Speaker 1: so I'm sort of like running around and scurring like
Speaker 1: a weasel over here and trying to trying to hide
Speaker 1: in my mind, and I'm thinking, don't don't think, and
Speaker 1: I thought, you dummy, that's a thought. And then I
Speaker 1: sort of had these images of thinking, maybe this is
Speaker 1: a telephone or something, and I thought to myself, well,
Speaker 1: maybe you can communicate if it's inside of your mind.
Speaker 1: Maybe you're inside of its mind, and I'm like, it's
Speaker 1: kind of like cellular phone, and you should ask it
Speaker 1: a question because you'll never get this audience again. It
Speaker 1: was like the exact words that that sort of came
Speaker 1: into my mind, like I was, I was rushing, and
Speaker 1: I was so worried about something. Then that's when I
Speaker 1: decided to sort of go deeper into my mind and
Speaker 1: try to hide even more, which be mentally hacked, you know,
Speaker 1: is impossible, I guess. But I was sitting on this
Speaker 1: red chair that somebody had given to me that was
Speaker 1: from a preschool that I would put in my shower
Speaker 1: and I would just sit on that chair and think
Speaker 1: in the shower and for long periods of time. And
Speaker 1: so I was sort of in that place and just
Speaker 1: kind of sitting there in fetal position, and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, I didn't think for a second, and
Speaker 1: it kind of like almost felt like this infinite void
Speaker 1: of like whoa. And then I looked above and it
Speaker 1: said all I asn E all as one in read letters.
Speaker 1: And I think my twenty one year old consciousness was
Speaker 1: like I could have told you that got to give
Speaker 1: me an equation or something. No one's ever gonna believe this.
Speaker 1: And at that moment, the wheels of the car sort
Speaker 1: of became apparent through my feet, and I remember that
Speaker 1: was the first actual coming back, and I opened my
Speaker 1: eyes and all of a sudden, the craft moved to
Speaker 1: the side of the vehicle. We're still going sixty five,
Speaker 1: and it kind of went over and its wings were
Speaker 1: down a little bit. But I was in the U hall,
Speaker 1: so I could I can only see it so much
Speaker 1: as it went kind of down into that position with
Speaker 1: its bleed edge up a little bit. And then Alaska
Speaker 1: looked over at me, and I was like, what's it doing?
Speaker 1: And she goes, it's right there. It's gone just instantaneous.
Speaker 1: I was whoa, And I just like pulled the vehicle
Speaker 1: over finally, and we both jumped out, and I was
Speaker 1: I was looking at it, and I was trying to
Speaker 1: get an eye on, like where did it go? It
Speaker 1: didn't make any noise, And there was this star that
Speaker 1: looked like the size of like three planets right over
Speaker 1: this southern Sierras, and there's a two large basin right
Speaker 1: above Fresno that's about fifty miles wide. And so I
Speaker 1: did the math later and distance equels eight times time,
Speaker 1: and so it went in one second across that whole
Speaker 1: way would take like eight or ten thousand miles an hour,
Speaker 1: so it should have broke like multiple sound barriers. And
Speaker 1: so I'm super baffled looking at it, and we're both
Speaker 1: hugging each other now and it's probably still eighty eighty
Speaker 1: five out and there's like a little rustle of the
Speaker 1: grass and we're kind of kind of sitting there silently.
Speaker 1: There's still nobody on the road. There wasn't anybody on
Speaker 1: the road for miles either, and I noticed it right
Speaker 1: before it it happened, when it before it hit three
Speaker 1: oh eight, I was like, whoa, there's nobody out here.
Speaker 1: This is creepy. Alaska kind of looked at me and
Speaker 1: her first words were, do you think it'll come back?
Speaker 1: And I sort of just felt like a little kid
Speaker 1: or something else. I hope, so, I mean, love to
Speaker 1: see that again, and she thought, she said, I don't
Speaker 1: ever want to see that again. That was terrifying, And
Speaker 1: just all of a sudden, I just went into adhd
Speaker 1: truth James and was just like, I think it was
Speaker 1: a space girl. I had like this like kind of
Speaker 1: like feminine energy, and I was still trying to telepathically
Speaker 1: feel the remnants, and I was I wasn't certain if
Speaker 1: that connection that I had with it on the freeway
Speaker 1: was still just as deep and connected as when it
Speaker 1: was the Little Star, because I seemed to like connect
Speaker 1: with the Star like instantly. And then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: she had this like crazy reaction that I just wasn't
Speaker 1: ready for, and she was like, oh great, now I
Speaker 1: got to worry about space girls. California was bad enough.
Speaker 1: I was like what, oh man, And we just got
Speaker 1: back in the truck and just decided that we were
Speaker 1: going to just keep going. And when we got back in,
Speaker 1: we sort of had this moment of we were totally elated,
Speaker 1: just what what was that? And then we were having
Speaker 1: these weird conversations like are we dreaming? Is this real?
Speaker 1: So we called up some people and we kept pinching
Speaker 1: ourselves and I was sort of like trying to get
Speaker 1: through that onto logical shock of seeing that, and I
Speaker 1: noticed that for me, I just kept ramping up, ramping up,
Speaker 1: and ramping up, and you know, she was really amped
Speaker 1: at first, but then I just started to obsess and
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, what was that disparity between our
Speaker 1: technology running around on dinosaur juice and these things just
Speaker 1: shooting around just like the Jetsons, Like, how come, how
Speaker 1: come we don't have that technology? How come we're you know,
Speaker 1: destroying the planet kind of going into these like tangents
Speaker 1: and so.
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Speaker 1: Later we moved to Portland and we sort of went
Speaker 1: two different directions. I decided that I was going to
Speaker 1: study everything that I could about UFOs, but not really
Speaker 1: like I didn't go I wasn't totally led to want
Speaker 1: to look at UFO stuff. All I was really interested
Speaker 1: in at first, which was like a searing coal in
Speaker 1: my head, was the universe and I needed to learn
Speaker 1: about cosmology, and I needed to learn about all of
Speaker 1: these things that for somebody like me with the level
Speaker 1: of ADHD, dyslexia, dysgraphia totally impossible and run away from
Speaker 1: my entire life, didn't want to deal with. And I
Speaker 1: was supposed to be going to college up there, to
Speaker 1: the community college, and I had no idea what I
Speaker 1: was going to be deener what I was going to do,
Speaker 1: And so when we got there, it was kind of rough.
Speaker 1: We didn't know where we were going to land, and
Speaker 1: we just happened to find a perfect place just out
Speaker 1: of nowhere. This guy came in right after we called
Speaker 1: him and said that everything was brand new, the carpets,
Speaker 1: the roof, and after he like described it, were like, guys,
Speaker 1: this guy even gonna rend us this place, like is
Speaker 1: he going to move in? And he had a daughter
Speaker 1: that was going to Lewis and Clark, and so I
Speaker 1: think Alaska kind of like was schmoozing him. And we
Speaker 1: did a great job. We thought the place was ours,
Speaker 1: and they didn't call us back for a while. But
Speaker 1: we got in there. But when we first looked at
Speaker 1: the place, I noticed that in one of the bedrooms
Speaker 1: there was a dark energy and I saw like a
Speaker 1: black rain cloud with white eyeballs looked back at me.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just was checking the place out,
Speaker 1: you know, and I opened the door and I thought
Speaker 1: to myself, well, if I move in this place, I
Speaker 1: will definitely not set my room up in there. It'll
Speaker 1: be over on this other side. And this was all
Speaker 1: for like seven point fifty So we were like all
Speaker 1: charged up, you know, two thousand and six Portland, and
Speaker 1: we were living in southern California before that. We're like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, it this even possible. And so we
Speaker 1: moved in all of our things, and then all the
Speaker 1: books started piling up in the house from the Portland Library,
Speaker 1: and you know, I started getting fees because I don't
Speaker 1: even read books. I've never read a book in my life. Really,
Speaker 1: it takes too much time and my eyes skip around.
Speaker 1: And so I was just like collecting these books with
Speaker 1: these beautiful covers, and then finally I got into Stephen
Speaker 1: Hawkins and Brian Green, and you know, I picked away
Speaker 1: and read those books over and over several times and
Speaker 1: just became infatuated with all of these things about the
Speaker 1: Big Bang and Alaska didn't want to hear any of it,
Speaker 1: and I was like trying to wrap my head around something,
Speaker 1: and I was just after a while, I was, you know,
Speaker 1: what this is going nowhere? And what am I doing?
Speaker 1: This went on for like three months, just straight obsession,
Speaker 1: just night after night, you know, smoking lots of lots
Speaker 1: of cannabis to sort of propel that energy to sit down,
Speaker 1: because with ADH I couldn't sit down. It's the only
Speaker 1: way I could sit down is if I found a
Speaker 1: bag of weed and had a ball, and then I'd
Speaker 1: actually sit down and actually read this stuff or at
Speaker 1: least try to absorb some of it. And then yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I need to give this up.
Speaker 1: This is stupid. I'm an idiot. I'll never understand this
Speaker 1: shit anyways, because you're wrong with me. Why don't I
Speaker 1: keep trying to do this? I ended up in a
Speaker 1: math one class and I'm there and the guy's going
Speaker 1: over arithmetic and all of this stuff, and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, what am I doing here? I've taken
Speaker 1: an algebra class. This is ridiculous and I'm sitting in
Speaker 1: the back and I was going to walk out, but
Speaker 1: he was so nice and he was like kind of funny.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this is cool. So I watched
Speaker 1: him and then eventually, you know, I decided I want
Speaker 1: to get out of there as quick as possible. So
Speaker 1: right as he finished, I walked right up in front
Speaker 1: of everybody who was going to ask questions. This is
Speaker 1: his first class at the semester in the fall, I said,
Speaker 1: I know. I said to him, hey, I don't need
Speaker 1: your class. This is amazing what you do. You you're
Speaker 1: obviously like very talented. Thank you so much. And he said,
Speaker 1: what's seven times aint? I said what? He goes, what's
Speaker 1: seven times eight? I'll never forget it. It's fifty six.
Speaker 1: It's always fifty six. And that was definitely my hardest
Speaker 1: math timestable. And he said, you're supposed to be here
Speaker 1: and you're going to take this class. This is where
Speaker 1: you're supposed to be and so that that was weird, right,
Speaker 1: I was like guided sort of into this place. Probably
Speaker 1: a couple months after that, the Chicago hera UFO incident happened,
Speaker 1: which flared me up hard again, thinking, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this is a sign. Finally this is proof. And I've
Speaker 1: been going around and telling my UFO story to every
Speaker 1: person that I saw, just annoyingly, just to see what
Speaker 1: their reactions were. Some kind of lost sociologists just out
Speaker 1: in bewilderness, just picking up data for no reason, and
Speaker 1: people just always have the same kind of thing, like
Speaker 1: I don't care, and you know, I don't believe in aliens.
Speaker 1: I'd get heckled a lot, so it's just kind of
Speaker 1: getting battered all the time. And then the Chicago Hera
Speaker 1: thing kind of got rolled off, at least at the
Speaker 1: time as a whole punch, a cloud hole punch, and
Speaker 1: I was like, what this is crazy? Was at the
Speaker 1: biggest airport in the world, Like, are these UFOs related
Speaker 1: to my UFOs? I was just I was tripping out
Speaker 1: so hard. My best friend that I actually drove up
Speaker 1: there with that called my mom at one point and
Speaker 1: was like, Hey, your son's smoking weed, just studying UFOs
Speaker 1: all day. Just want to let you know what he's
Speaker 1: up really up to. Called me up. I was like, hey,
Speaker 1: they saw your UFOs in Chicago, So that that got
Speaker 1: me really worked up. And not long after that there
Speaker 1: was a point where I was driving in Alaska to
Speaker 1: school every morning and dropping her off. And one morning
Speaker 1: woke up around seven point thirty and she got up
Speaker 1: and we're going to be late for school again, and
Speaker 1: she ran around the corner, which the bathroom was just
Speaker 1: on the other side of the wall of the bedroom,
Speaker 1: and went to use the bathroom. Well, I don't know
Speaker 1: what happened. I just I was sitting up in bed
Speaker 1: in the closest corner of the room to where the
Speaker 1: bed was kind of snuggled up against and I just
Speaker 1: fell back asleep. And the next thing I know, I'm
Speaker 1: just sitting in front of the bathroom door, and I
Speaker 1: looked down at my hand and I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 1: It looked just like the halo on that UFO and
Speaker 1: it was fuzziness and I could see through it and
Speaker 1: I could make out the palm prints. And then I
Speaker 1: flipped my hand over and I could see my knuckles.
Speaker 1: But it was weird. It was like when I was
Speaker 1: doing it, I was moving through molasses, like it happened
Speaker 1: so slow, and my head was kind of pointed down
Speaker 1: and I was, holy shit, am I of those? Like what?
Speaker 1: And the next thing I know, I look up Alaska's
Speaker 1: coming off of the toilet and she's wiping herself and
Speaker 1: there's a double of her right over the top of
Speaker 1: her in the shower curtain behind it, and it's her
Speaker 1: with plugs and everything, and she's got a black hoodie
Speaker 1: on and she's looking and staring at me, and her
Speaker 1: fingers are curled up in this weird kind of rigamortis
Speaker 1: like tiger palm thing where the top of the fingers
Speaker 1: really close to the palm, and she's looking at me
Speaker 1: and she's sort of getting closer to the top of
Speaker 1: her head, and then there's this thought, oh gosh, she
Speaker 1: got to bite their skull, and then it looks at
Speaker 1: me even more and twists its head and then goes
Speaker 1: down and bites her forehead. And I just woke up
Speaker 1: in a shriek. Alaska comes running around the corner. She
Speaker 1: jumps into bed, and she says, whoa, whoa, whoa. Bo
Speaker 1: Before you say anything, tell me what you saw. So
Speaker 1: you know, just as I described you, I was standing there,
Speaker 1: I was like translucent, I was like glowing, and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden I saw her and she was
Speaker 1: like whoa, because I felt like there was something over
Speaker 1: the top of me and I've never spontaneously just jumped
Speaker 1: out of my body. And so at that point the
Speaker 1: relationship kind of started turning sour. And I just wanted
Speaker 1: to talk about the UFO and I wanted to have
Speaker 1: her draw it constantly. And she was going to school
Speaker 1: for art and she was the most amazing artist I
Speaker 1: had ever met, and so she could just draw it
Speaker 1: with both hands as we were driving to school, and
Speaker 1: it was amazing. It's like she worked for NASA or something.
Speaker 1: And I would give these things away as gifts to
Speaker 1: people I'd tell the story who didn't care in the
Speaker 1: first place, and probably just threw them away, and I
Speaker 1: only can just remember them in my mind now. But
Speaker 1: there was this thing where it was I wasn't allowed
Speaker 1: to make art about it because I wasn't as good
Speaker 1: as her. I wasn't like, you know, I didn't work
Speaker 1: for skunk Works or something as a as a engineer.
Speaker 1: I mean, that was just how amazing she was at
Speaker 1: drawing this thing. It was four or five lines, and
Speaker 1: she had just nailed it. It was so simple and perfect.
Speaker 1: And my whole life I'd always struggled with art. My
Speaker 1: father was really big into art, and my mom and
Speaker 1: him got divorced when I was probably four or five
Speaker 1: years old, and so I spent a lot of time
Speaker 1: by myself. I would spend summers with him and we'd
Speaker 1: go out into the Southwest and look for patrick cliffs
Speaker 1: of actually aliens, which is really weird. Later on that
Speaker 1: this lined up to happen to me, But when we
Speaker 1: found one with a little alien inside of it, with
Speaker 1: a bubble over it with antennas coming off, and we're
Speaker 1: really jazzed about it. But I never really felt like
Speaker 1: I was able to connect with my father. He never
Speaker 1: was able to say I love you. He's not that
Speaker 1: kind of affectionate guy. He was a Vietnam that did
Speaker 1: three tours, lieutenant colonel. He had a child when he
Speaker 1: was forty nine, and so I was sort of this
Speaker 1: second family that had failed for him. And here he
Speaker 1: was picking up the pieces after raising four kids before me,
Speaker 1: and art was his thing, and he was an amazing ceramicist,
Speaker 1: and you know, and there's no way that I could
Speaker 1: live up to these gods, right, And so after basically
Speaker 1: lurking around Portland at the Burnside under the Burnside Bridge
Speaker 1: at the skate park, which is more like a black
Speaker 1: hole vortex clubhouse for skaters. I sort of ran into
Speaker 1: this guy no style, Kyle, who was a trust fund baby,
Speaker 1: and we took an existential class together that spring, and
Speaker 1: Kyle was like a very dark, very interesting guy, and
Speaker 1: it was very deep and so like he was always
Speaker 1: pushing me to do things. I think we got in
Speaker 1: a fight or something one day and he said to me,
Speaker 1: why do you just can draw your big picture?
Speaker 2: What is it?
Speaker 1: Anyways? Can you even do it? And I remember just
Speaker 1: the challenge, and I got a piece of nope paper
Speaker 1: and started drawing these cling bottles, which was something that
Speaker 1: was being talked about in my anthropology class. I was
Speaker 1: taking history of Northwest Native Americans, and they were talking
Speaker 1: about this Native American conception of the client bottle, where
Speaker 1: the inside of the bottle is the outside of the
Speaker 1: bottle and the outside of the bottle is the inside
Speaker 1: of the bottle. And so I was sort of making
Speaker 1: these lines and dots and sort of things and just
Speaker 1: really like trying to explore philosophy through my art. And
Speaker 1: the colors were really important to me. But I never
Speaker 1: planned on like sharing it with anybody. I never planned
Speaker 1: on I think the first doodle I did I just
Speaker 1: found in a storage unit recently, and it was just
Speaker 1: thrown somewhere and has been living there ever since. And
Speaker 1: it was in perfect condition when I found it, these
Speaker 1: beautiful blues and greens and clime bottles and little dots
Speaker 1: that represented universes. And so I eventually broke up with Alaska,
Speaker 1: and I believe our last conversation was super weird. Was
Speaker 1: going surfing, and she had sort of found that I
Speaker 1: was dating the girl down the street that I was
Speaker 1: getting weed from, or sort of having this like dramatic
Speaker 1: affair sort of thing, even though we didn't hook up
Speaker 1: until our significant others were out of the picture. But
Speaker 1: I just got this weird feeling and I just went
Speaker 1: with it. And I told her, Look, if you don't
Speaker 1: ever want to see those things again, don't ever contact
Speaker 1: me again. I've been taken. They've taken me. I've been
Speaker 1: up in the ship, and eventually they will erase my
Speaker 1: memory and in the future I will try to contact
Speaker 1: you and I will not know any of this even happened.
Speaker 1: So whatever you do, if you don't ever want to
Speaker 1: see those again, don't ever contact me again. And she said,
Speaker 1: I don't ever want to see that again. And I
Speaker 1: hung up on her, and it was the last time
Speaker 1: I ever talked to Alaska. And I remember getting my
Speaker 1: wet suit on and my surfboard, and then there was
Speaker 1: a friend in the parking lot and I was trying
Speaker 1: to explain the experience of what just happened. And I
Speaker 1: was like, Barren, I just told Alaska all this crazy
Speaker 1: shit and like, I don't know if that even happened
Speaker 1: or not. I was like, why did you do that?
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know, I just I just
Speaker 1: did what. It's just weird.
Speaker 2: And so me and.
Speaker 1: The new girl will call her the Deadly Diamond. She's
Speaker 1: a beautiful half Portuguese half Russian girl who smoked weed
Speaker 1: like a chimney, smoked weed ten times more than me.
Speaker 1: So I was always trying to find her weed as
Speaker 1: we were. And then she had no problem talking about
Speaker 1: UFOs and so like sort of clicked instantly. We moved
Speaker 1: around for a while. We moved back to Portland. We
Speaker 1: rented an apartment that was in downtown in an area
Speaker 1: called the Pearl District, on a street which is seven
Speaker 1: thirty five Saint Clair Avenue. I realized after living with
Speaker 1: Alaska in the suburb outside of Portland, that that was stupid.
Speaker 1: We were just spending all of our time in traffic,
Speaker 1: and so I wanted to live in Portland. So I
Speaker 1: found this amazing apartment building. I just seemed to have
Speaker 1: this knack for just finding amazing places and just always
Speaker 1: getting right in with the right people. And after moving
Speaker 1: around a couple times throughout the twenty three story building,
Speaker 1: we finally ended up on the twentieth floor in a
Speaker 1: corner apartment. As every day I'd go down and have
Speaker 1: coffee in the morning and talk to the people in
Speaker 1: the front and so I knew everyone by first name
Speaker 1: and that whole building almost At one point, and my
Speaker 1: grandmother was starting to pass away, and I kind of
Speaker 1: had a feeling she was going to die, and so
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you know, I'm on the phone
Speaker 1: with her and I just went on UFO blast for
Speaker 1: some reason, like it was some sort of like spiritual annoying,
Speaker 1: and I just went into this conversation. I'm like, this
Speaker 1: is the third Copernicus Revolution. I figured it out, We're
Speaker 1: not the center of the universe. Da da Da da da,
Speaker 1: and just going on and on, and she was just
Speaker 1: you know, listening to the experience of the U haul
Speaker 1: and the freeway and just trying to absorb it. And
Speaker 1: then she finally asked, like my mom does, after listening
Speaker 1: to me talk for a long time, where are you?
Speaker 1: And I said, I'm in Portland. She goes, oh, you're
Speaker 1: so far away. And for me, I just kind of
Speaker 1: felt my soul crush and I thought, you know what,
Speaker 1: she's going to pass away tonight. I just I can
Speaker 1: feel it intuitively, and so I got off the phone
Speaker 1: with her, told my mom I want her to come down.
Speaker 1: And so that night, this is probably about three years later,
Speaker 1: on two thousand and nine or so, I went to
Speaker 1: bed and all of a sudden, I just woke up,
Speaker 1: and I didn't wake up and my physical body and
Speaker 1: the dream, I just woke up and saw myself watching
Speaker 1: myself come and lift out of bed next to the
Speaker 1: deadly diamond, and then all of a sudden and levitate
Speaker 1: and then just go right through the window. But when
Speaker 1: I went through the window, it was like I was
Speaker 1: going through like hot ice, and as I went through it,
Speaker 1: my head was faced up. I remember seeing through the glass,
Speaker 1: which just absolutely blew my mind, as it was just
Speaker 1: this universe of congruent bubbles, almost like I was an
Speaker 1: atom that went through it, and I was just tripped
Speaker 1: out at how much space there was. It was just
Speaker 1: this endless amounts of voluminous and all of these bubbles
Speaker 1: almost like a clear white color. And then we went.
Speaker 1: I went through the other side, kind of like going
Speaker 1: through like a waterfall, rippling down, and then I'm outside,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, I'm observing myself floating
Speaker 1: there kind of in this coffin, very straight back, and
Speaker 1: then I just wake up. And now I'm in that
Speaker 1: perspective and I'm looking down and I can hear the
Speaker 1: trees rustling, and i'd smell the garbage can from around
Speaker 1: the corner or whatever, and you know, the city sounds
Speaker 1: of people walking around and stuff crickets at the same time,
Speaker 1: because it's the Northwest, and I'm just all what And
Speaker 1: I woke up, and then all of a sudden, I
Speaker 1: was just back in bed and I just woke up,
Speaker 1: called my mom, asked her, you know what had happened,
Speaker 1: And at the same time, I was tapping my finger
Speaker 1: on the window, trying to push my hand through the window,
Speaker 1: and then found out that my grandmother had died. And
Speaker 1: then I thought to myself, man, maybe this uf ocean
Speaker 1: and being obsessed for the last three years and just
Speaker 1: studying all of this cosmology and all of this EU
Speaker 1: ofphology and stuff like where is it led me?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: I was really interested in balb Bazaar and how he
Speaker 1: was talking about the craft being on its side and
Speaker 1: doing things. And now I'd said previously I'd seen the
Speaker 1: craft on its side, and so I thought that was
Speaker 1: probably the only inkling of truth maybe out there that
Speaker 1: I could even like wrap my head around, like, Wow,
Speaker 1: someone's actually talking about UFOs on their side, Like I
Speaker 1: want to know everything about that, and old Bobby is
Speaker 1: the only one I could find to really talk about it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I thought, maybe this is bad, you know,
Speaker 1: and they're obviously following me because that wasn't a dream.
Speaker 1: That was I don't wake up from dreams and try
Speaker 1: to smash my hand through a window or like put
Speaker 1: my finger up to it and like want to push
Speaker 1: it through. And so I thought, maybe this is bad.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: I messed up my last time talking to my grandmother
Speaker 1: and I'm really blowing it, and what am I even
Speaker 1: doing here in Portland? I went to a job where
Speaker 1: it was a call center because I was just dying
Speaker 1: for money and didn't know anyone in town to sell
Speaker 1: weed to. As previously I went in the Santa Barbara
Speaker 1: sold weed my whole life as a surfer, just to
Speaker 1: my surfer friends. And now I didn't know anyone. And
Speaker 1: I'm at this call center and it's for gutter put
Speaker 1: gutters on your house. And I'm at the call center.
Speaker 1: I'm all, well, would you like got a removal? And
Speaker 1: like somebody heard that, and then they all started like, going,
Speaker 1: did you just say cut a removal? All started laughing.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna get the hell out of here.
Speaker 1: And then selling meat out of a truck at a
Speaker 1: gas station and people are like, I won't buy meat
Speaker 1: out of a truck, and the guy'd come out and
Speaker 1: pretend to have a lisp and go, well, what do
Speaker 1: you think it comes from? A ha haaa helicopter. Kid's
Speaker 1: hilarious and so like I made a hundred bucks that day.
Speaker 1: I was like this is And so finally I'm like,
Speaker 1: let's get go out of here. Let's just go back
Speaker 1: to the beach town that it came from. And uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I started teaching surf lessons and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden I was just like flush with cash,
Speaker 1: hanging out the beach all day, just being James, the
Speaker 1: you know, the ultimate giver and telling everybody everything they
Speaker 1: could possibly know about surfing until they're like standing in
Speaker 1: the parking lot and it's dark and it's two hours
Speaker 1: later and still talking about surfing. And so there's a
Speaker 1: perfect place for an overgiver. And started my surf school
Speaker 1: and was super stoked on that. And I was a
Speaker 1: super into teaching skate lessons and and did that for
Speaker 1: parks and rec and Santa Barbara for a while at
Speaker 1: the skate park as well, and yeah, I just kind
Speaker 1: of just wanted to let it go. It was just
Speaker 1: like so sick of being obsessed with the you ofos,
Speaker 1: just wanted to go surfing and just have a good time.
Speaker 1: And so me and the Deadly Diving we found this
Speaker 1: awesome little ranch house and we were pumped on it.
Speaker 1: Another perfect place. Oh what a surprise. And it had
Speaker 1: these little orange trees and it was on Romero Canyon
Speaker 1: and Montecito just sort of at the bottom and was
Speaker 1: just right around in our affordability, which is still was
Speaker 1: too much. And it was a really nice little cottage
Speaker 1: with three other little cottages on it, and it was
Speaker 1: almost an acre itself, but it was all just bare
Speaker 1: grass with some fruit trees. The landlord was an eccentric
Speaker 1: guy from Bakersfield, and then the lease it said he
Speaker 1: got to come once a month and pick fruit, which
Speaker 1: he always did at exactly noon, which was also in
Speaker 1: the lease. So it's kind of an interesting little spot
Speaker 1: with all these little avocado trees on the outside of it,
Speaker 1: and the Romero saddle and the bluffs in the background,
Speaker 1: and all my surfboards and stuff for my surf squad.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is great. We got two healer
Speaker 1: puppies and just you know, felt like we were just
Speaker 1: starting this amazing life. I mean, it was probably one
Speaker 1: of the most exciting times of my whole life, really, probably,
Speaker 1: I don't know. A couple months after being there, I
Speaker 1: was hanging out with a surf photographer who was from
Speaker 1: New York and we were shooting bb guns over at
Speaker 1: my property, and then we went over to his house
Speaker 1: and we were in the chacuzzie talking in summerland and
Speaker 1: he said, hey, man, tell me that UFO story again,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of in his New York accent, And
Speaker 1: you know, I'm there with the Deadly Diamond and his
Speaker 1: lady and a couple other really you know, well known surfers,
Speaker 1: and so I'm kind of like okay, and so I
Speaker 1: tell a story and at the end he kind of
Speaker 1: interrupted me, and he goes, hey, you know, you shouldn't
Speaker 1: tell people that was UFO. You don't know it was UFO.
Speaker 1: That could have been military, Like, you just don't know, man,
Speaker 1: you shouldn't go around telling people stuff like that you
Speaker 1: don't really know what it was. And after so much
Speaker 1: research rapture for such a long time, and after being
Speaker 1: such a big advocate of going around thinking I had
Speaker 1: a galactic responsibility to tell people this, to up the
Speaker 1: consciousness of humanity, just like throwing mud, you know, at
Speaker 1: the swamp. I said, you know what, man, I'm out here.
Speaker 1: I don't really want to hear it. I'm not even
Speaker 1: going to go there with you, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I respect your respect, your home, but I'm done any good.
Speaker 1: And so he changed this too, and he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: come on, comar, it's just busting your chops. Da da da,
Speaker 1: And I was like, no, you don't understand that. Hit
Speaker 1: the tender button. We're out of here. So we jump
Speaker 1: in my black Dodge truck at the time, and we
Speaker 1: headed down Ortega Hill, which where we lived was just
Speaker 1: like less than a mile away. And as we're driving down, I'm,
Speaker 1: you know, talking to the Deadly Diamond. I'm going into
Speaker 1: one of my adhd rants, and I'm like, he doesn't
Speaker 1: know what he's talking about. Aliens this, and you know,
Speaker 1: I know what happened, and I may telepath. I mean,
Speaker 1: how could you know? And no one's ever going to
Speaker 1: understand my experience. And then we get down to the
Speaker 1: bottom and there's this giant white owl that at the time,
Speaker 1: I want to say was four feet tall and it
Speaker 1: just sounds ridiculous, and it was just sitting there in
Speaker 1: this one really awesome branch that centered it right in
Speaker 1: the middle of this fat coastal oak, and it was
Speaker 1: just dead still, like it was almost a mannequin or something.
Speaker 1: And my reaction was one of just all of the
Speaker 1: paranoia and then all of the research, and then also
Speaker 1: feeling tracked. And I almost felt, oh, no, damn, Aliens,
Speaker 1: they found me. And I didn't say that, but I
Speaker 1: just yelled out gay little finger, and all of a
Speaker 1: sudden I peeled out around it because I wanted to
Speaker 1: scare it, but it didn't even move. It didn't even flinch,
Speaker 1: didn't even blink. And so I fly down and there's
Speaker 1: this little bridge that has a little hump in it
Speaker 1: or whatever, and I got a little air on that
Speaker 1: because I'd like to do that sometimes, because I've driven
Speaker 1: those road since high school. Pop around the corner, get
Speaker 1: out of the car, just totally forgot about it and
Speaker 1: go to bed. Well, it was probably midnight at this
Speaker 1: point and we were in the jacuzzi, so I drank
Speaker 1: a ton of water and went to bit naked, and
Speaker 1: I woke up at two or three o'clock in the morning,
Speaker 1: and that's when I went over outside to my little
Speaker 1: peepe rock. I had a spot way out on the
Speaker 1: fence where I would just, you know, just do some
Speaker 1: some mild nudity and just kind of go over there
Speaker 1: and stand in the moonlight and just kind of enjoy
Speaker 1: the rustle of the avocado trees and peel on this
Speaker 1: little rocks neck to the fence where nobody could really
Speaker 1: see me over there, just but it's all bare, so
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, if you're walking around, you can
Speaker 1: see me. So I was trying to conceal myself a
Speaker 1: little bit, but it's the middle of the night, and
Speaker 1: I've been doing it for a while, it didn't matter
Speaker 1: to me. And I'm sitting there peeing and I'm looking
Speaker 1: and look up and there's like these two stars and
Speaker 1: they were twinkling really really bright. Remember this weird feeling
Speaker 1: of they were friendly stars. It was just like this
Speaker 1: abstract thought of like friendly stars. What the hell does
Speaker 1: not even meet friendly stars? And then you know, the
Speaker 1: time of me a lapsed peeing was I don't know,
Speaker 1: a minute, not even that. And so I turned around,
Speaker 1: I'm barefoot, you know, obviously, to walk back, and I
Speaker 1: see that all the lights are on in the house
Speaker 1: and the doors wide open to her bedroom and there's
Speaker 1: somebody standing in there, and I can almost see the
Speaker 1: deadly Diamond on the end of the bed. I'm just
Speaker 1: like what And the dogs come rush out to me,
Speaker 1: and I walk over and cover my Pepe, and I'm
Speaker 1: looking and there's Kenny, one of the tenants, and he
Speaker 1: goes James. We were just about to call the police
Speaker 1: right before he walked up. It was literally about to
Speaker 1: dial the number. The Deadly Diamond was inconsolable. She was
Speaker 1: just crying and crying, and Kenny just had to actually
Speaker 1: talk for her, and he was saying, you know, hey,
Speaker 1: we looked this whole property and we couldn't find you anywhere.
Speaker 1: I mean, we look up and down the streets. I
Speaker 1: looked every single corner, yelling out James, James. He even
Speaker 1: like did a couple of those calls in the room,
Speaker 1: which was really WHOA was it ready for that? So
Speaker 1: I finally got some clothes on. I told Kenny to
Speaker 1: go home. I told him that they were crazy, that
Speaker 1: there was no way that I had gone for forty
Speaker 1: five minutes. It was gone for maybe three minutes tops,
Speaker 1: and I was over there in the corner, and you
Speaker 1: know what, I was so tired at that point. I
Speaker 1: was sick of arguing with him about it. There was
Speaker 1: no way that I was gone for forty five minutes.
Speaker 1: It's just impossible that I just went back to bed.
Speaker 1: And so the Deadly Diamond said that right before she
Speaker 1: went back to bed, she looked and there was a
Speaker 1: white Labrador with big black eyes looking back up at
Speaker 1: her from the center of the bottom of the bed,
Speaker 1: and that she knew it wasn't one of our healer puppies,
Speaker 1: but I didn't find that out until the morning. So
Speaker 1: I wake up in the morning, she tells me this
Speaker 1: crazy story like as soon as she wakes up about
Speaker 1: this white lab with big black eyes. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: like imagine Snoopy or something, you know, giant fly glasses
Speaker 1: from Bernie Man or something like what the what did
Speaker 1: she see? And so I start kind of investigating the
Speaker 1: property and I looked at all of the doorknobs on
Speaker 1: the house and all of them were on their last thread.
Speaker 1: And it was so fascinating because I spent like two
Speaker 1: hours before I actually did any work and just had
Speaker 1: a flashlight and had a little measuring tape and I
Speaker 1: was like, wow, this one. And I went over to
Speaker 1: the next one. I was like, what this one. There
Speaker 1: was like four door knobs on that house, and some
Speaker 1: of them were loose when we moved in, and I
Speaker 1: did tighten them up, but the fact that they were
Speaker 1: all the way out and on the very last thread
Speaker 1: made me think that the house was vibrated in the
Speaker 1: middle of the night. And I was just really trying
Speaker 1: to wrap my head around that whole experience. Just even
Speaker 1: years later, I called up The Deadly Diamond. I was like, Hey,
Speaker 1: can you explain what happened that night, and I had
Speaker 1: forgotten about the AWL, just a conversation with the photographer.
Speaker 1: All I really remembered was just the friendly stars.
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Speaker 1: So some time goes by me and the Deadly Diamond
Speaker 1: sort of dissolve, end up in this place of kind
Speaker 1: of went into this dark place of just dating lots
Speaker 1: of women and not letting them know and sort of
Speaker 1: being in a you know, perpetual revolving door at that point,
Speaker 1: and I felt like a lot of my sexuality had
Speaker 1: sort of been like heightened. But I had always been
Speaker 1: that way since a kid, and my parents didn't know
Speaker 1: what to do with me in middle school. They're afraid
Speaker 1: I was going to get some girl pregnant. When I
Speaker 1: was living in Virginia, So they sort of kept being
Speaker 1: locked away all the time. You're grounded why because I
Speaker 1: said so? And so I ended up dating a girl
Speaker 1: from Santa Cruz that we call the Mermaid, and those
Speaker 1: two relationships sort of intersected themselves. It just all that
Speaker 1: just kind of blew up in my face like shit.
Speaker 1: Eventually the Mermaid caught onto what was going on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: At one point, I remember I went and told my
Speaker 1: UFO story at a bar with some girl and one
Speaker 1: that I knew one that I didn't know, and I
Speaker 1: was with a friend and I was trying to help
Speaker 1: him find somebody, and that's it was. Sort of it
Speaker 1: was a blind date. And then the next thing I knew,
Speaker 1: we had some drinks and I started getting into my
Speaker 1: uhle story and I was wearing her pants as we
Speaker 1: had changed pants, and then we were hanging out on
Speaker 1: the beach, we were jumping in the water. It just
Speaker 1: it just turned into this crazy night where I ended
Speaker 1: up in bed with two girls and I made one
Speaker 1: hundred pounds of sand, and the Mermaid had come looking,
Speaker 1: and the girl that had set up the blind date
Speaker 1: that I knew locked the door because she had a
Speaker 1: feeling that that girl the Mermaid might show up, and
Speaker 1: it just it just turned into this horrific thing. And
Speaker 1: then I had to leave Santa Cruz and I just
Speaker 1: got really morbid, and then I got kind of suicidal
Speaker 1: about it and started kind of planning my suicide and
Speaker 1: then try to go through with it, and then failing
Speaker 1: at that, and then feeling like somebody with ADHD is
Speaker 1: constantly feeling and everything. Oh, here's just one more thing
Speaker 1: you can add to your list that you're not good at. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it just kind of put me in a dark place.
Speaker 1: My stepfather had a last conversation with me too, as
Speaker 1: he ended up drinking himself to death and dying of
Speaker 1: a heart attack and saying wanted to go hunting one
Speaker 1: more time. And so yeah, I was just in this
Speaker 1: dark place for a long time. And then I left
Speaker 1: Santa Cruz and started living in my pop up camper
Speaker 1: and it was sort of haunted by owls for a
Speaker 1: long time. I thought it had something to do with
Speaker 1: the spiritual karma of infidelity, that the owl was a
Speaker 1: representation of self deception. So I would be on the
Speaker 1: freeway and then now would hit me or I would
Speaker 1: you know, just they just kept being around me all
Speaker 1: the time, driving me absolutely crazy, thinking that it was
Speaker 1: a Native American kind of like spiritual medicine. And I
Speaker 1: just hadn't learned my lesson, and here I was deceiving
Speaker 1: people and I wasn't being honest with them about a
Speaker 1: certain part of my life. And so yeah, it was
Speaker 1: just really depressed. I was living behind Ringcon Point in
Speaker 1: my pop up camper. I had gotten a German shepherd
Speaker 1: at that point off of Craigslist named Sage and as
Speaker 1: a suicide prevention, because I felt like Jesus, I need
Speaker 1: some eyeballs on me. I grew up with dogs in
Speaker 1: Virginia and had to leave them after my stepfather sort
Speaker 1: of threatened to kill us if we left, and so
Speaker 1: I never got to see my border collies again. And
Speaker 1: so I needed to get back on that train and
Speaker 1: get back being connected. And so one night after surfing
Speaker 1: ring Con waves are really good. It was like double
Speaker 1: overhead pumping the waves. When you're out there, it feels
Speaker 1: like you're in a river. You're just trying to stay
Speaker 1: in one spot. So I was exhausted, and I had
Speaker 1: surfed into the dark for almost two hours at that point,
Speaker 1: and so I was in my wet suit. I got
Speaker 1: in my Toyota Tundra at the time with a pop
Speaker 1: up camper on the back, and so in the wet suit,
Speaker 1: drove around, got in the pop up camper with my
Speaker 1: wet suit, peeled out, went to bed. This is around
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. At this point, I just woke up in
Speaker 1: the dream and all of a sudden, I was just
Speaker 1: standing in this huge, huge industrial building where everything was circular.
Speaker 1: There are no flat lines, and so it was like
Speaker 1: this big two It was like the size of the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. I mean, these ceilings were huge. It was
Speaker 1: almost like a purplish pastel color, and it was damp.
Speaker 1: Wasn't dark, but it was this weird kind of twilight.
Speaker 1: And when I looked down, I was naked, and I
Speaker 1: could see that there was this rolling fog that was
Speaker 1: on the ground, and I remember my first impression was
Speaker 1: it looks like hamburger meat, you know, like red hamburger meat,
Speaker 1: where it's all kind of air laid together. It had
Speaker 1: this perfect symmetrical pattern. I remember raising my head up
Speaker 1: and looking forward and I saw this kind of oval
Speaker 1: door with a blue pastel color, and I was really
Speaker 1: drawn to it, and so I sort of just kind
Speaker 1: of like glided along. I also had this feeling of
Speaker 1: like where is everybody? Like why is this such a
Speaker 1: like strange space, Like there should be lots of people here,
Speaker 1: you know. It was almost like I felt like people
Speaker 1: were hiding from me. Well, I finally made it up
Speaker 1: into the room, and when I went through the circle
Speaker 1: door or whatever, I got in and everything was round.
Speaker 1: The floor was round, and it was kind of like
Speaker 1: this kind of doughnut shaped room with the risen top.
Speaker 1: And then I'm standing in the center of the room
Speaker 1: and everything's just this blue color, and my feet all
Speaker 1: of a sudden just rise up without me doing anything,
Speaker 1: and I'm horizontal, and then I flowed up into the
Speaker 1: middle of the room and then I just felt these hot,
Speaker 1: invisible hot water mattresses. I don't know how to explain it,
Speaker 1: just smash me into what felt like a mold. And
Speaker 1: then I remember thinking I need to scream, and I
Speaker 1: couldn't use my voice box, and I almost felt like
Speaker 1: I was being suffocated. I've done a little bit of
Speaker 1: caverning and being in really small spaces and I like
Speaker 1: it because it freaks me out so bad, and so
Speaker 1: I just kept trying to scream over and over and over,
Speaker 1: and finally I woke up in my RV or my
Speaker 1: pop up camper and at the top bunk and with
Speaker 1: my German shepherd right next to me and a grain
Speaker 1: sleeping bag, and I just screamed, and I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just trying to use that part of
Speaker 1: my throat, as it had not had any use in
Speaker 1: the dream. And so the German shepherd looked at me,
Speaker 1: and she came over and gave me a kiss kind
Speaker 1: of you know, did little circle and sat back down.
Speaker 1: And then I took my flashlight and I had it
Speaker 1: sort of playing with it, and I look over it
Speaker 1: without turning it on. There's just this man in the
Speaker 1: car with me, and he has this gray head, and
Speaker 1: he's got these veins and sparse bits of hair, almost
Speaker 1: like he's balding. And his head's down and his hands
Speaker 1: are on top of his head, so he can't make
Speaker 1: out his eyes or anything, and he's just sitting there
Speaker 1: with this gray skin, and I'm worried for him, and
Speaker 1: I'm upset, and I'm almost wondering if he's me, and
Speaker 1: I'm having all these weird thoughts, and so I get
Speaker 1: the flashlight and I turn it on and he disappears.
Speaker 1: I turned the flashlight off and it reappears. And I
Speaker 1: did that seven times. Finally, I just took my flashlight
Speaker 1: and just threw it and I just looked at him
Speaker 1: for a while and just tried to just comfort him.
Speaker 1: I was so worried about him, and I was just going, Wow,
Speaker 1: these great aliens, they do have characteristics to them. Look
Speaker 1: at this shit. There's veins and stuff. This isn't just opaque,
Speaker 1: you know. And so anyways, that was a weird moment.
Speaker 1: And then I go back to sleep because I was like,
Speaker 1: what am I gonna do about this thing in the car?
Speaker 1: And the thing that was so freaky is that the
Speaker 1: dog didn't even notice. And it was just clear as
Speaker 1: day to me. I mean, it was just it was
Speaker 1: right there, and somehow or night, somehow or another light
Speaker 1: just made it disappear as soon as I turned the
Speaker 1: switch on the flashlight, like I was switching the image
Speaker 1: off and on in my mind with the flashlight. So
Speaker 1: at this point I just kind of freaked out by
Speaker 1: aliens and UFOs and not really doing very much art,
Speaker 1: and I'm sort of just feeling like this whole thing
Speaker 1: is pretty dark and hard to follow. I finally end
Speaker 1: up in a place in Santa Barbara where I rented
Speaker 1: a room that was a hundred square feet that was
Speaker 1: already furnished. Because I've been living on the road for years.
Speaker 1: At that point, my mom was begging me to not
Speaker 1: be quote unquote homeless anymore, even though a house with
Speaker 1: wheels is the happiest I've ever been in my life,
Speaker 1: as I would just go from surf spot to skatespot
Speaker 1: to Whole Foods and sort of had a gym membership
Speaker 1: and everything sort of figured out, or at least it
Speaker 1: felt like it until it got really cold out. I
Speaker 1: ended up having this dream probably two years later, where
Speaker 1: I was driving my van that I bought. I traded
Speaker 1: in the Tundra for a nineteen eighty three G twenty
Speaker 1: Chevy van just like the A Team, and I was
Speaker 1: in the dream and I took the van and I
Speaker 1: just drove it up onto some grass in front of
Speaker 1: this weird hotel that I felt like i'd been to,
Speaker 1: and my dad was in the car, and I'm just
Speaker 1: like wow. I guess for me, I've never had my
Speaker 1: dad actually come into my environment. It's always been the opposite.
Speaker 1: Where I go into his and so I was just laborgastic,
Speaker 1: you know, and this is an opportunity, you know, to
Speaker 1: connect with him. And I said, I'm going to tell
Speaker 1: you the most amazing science fiction movie you've ever heard,
Speaker 1: And in my brain, I was, what's that? And so
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's just this series of images
Speaker 1: as I wasn't really telling the story, but I was
Speaker 1: being like sort of pulled through it. And one of
Speaker 1: the things that was fascinating about is it started out
Speaker 1: with me and being sort of in this blue light
Speaker 1: outside of the Earth, probably one hundred miles away or so,
Speaker 1: and I could see the whole Earth and the whole
Speaker 1: thing was on fire, and that there were actually flames
Speaker 1: that were actually coming into outer space, that the Earth
Speaker 1: actually looked an entire cinder. And I just kept commenting
Speaker 1: to myself and just crying at the same time and
Speaker 1: just being like, I can't believe there could be that
Speaker 1: much fire. I mean, it's just what, you know, and
Speaker 1: just thinking about the surface of the Earth and what's there,
Speaker 1: everything being scorched. And then the next kind of images
Speaker 1: that came to me were I'm on the surface and
Speaker 1: it's all bear everything's brown, the sky's brown. The ocean's brown,
Speaker 1: all the rivers are black. There's just these trash heaps everywhere,
Speaker 1: just dotted everywhere, just on fire. There's these cruise ships
Speaker 1: that are just crashed. And there are people longboarding at
Speaker 1: Malibu in Los Angeles in spacesuits that the water is
Speaker 1: just so toxic and they're like hanging ten and like
Speaker 1: moving around and they have these packs on their backs
Speaker 1: and stuff, these like little internal survival suits or whatever,
Speaker 1: and they can't touch the water. And then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, I kind of went into the story of
Speaker 1: one of these people in the spacesuits, and they live underground,
Speaker 1: and they've been separated from the rich, who somehow or
Speaker 1: another are invertedly responsible for this, or at least the
Speaker 1: two parties believe so. And so all of the super
Speaker 1: rich live in this giant ship that goes around. Sounds
Speaker 1: like Wally from Disney or whatever, right, but it's different.
Speaker 1: It's it's like a human paradise utopia. But they have
Speaker 1: these satellites and stuff that go down and capture people,
Speaker 1: send into dimensions to find other planets and stuff to
Speaker 1: steal those resources to then rebuild Earth, which sounds stupid.
Speaker 1: And so in the dream. The guy gets recruited one
Speaker 1: of these you know, astronaut surfers, goes to some kind
Speaker 1: of flight academy and these are us happening as like
Speaker 1: a quick montage of things, falls in love with the
Speaker 1: girl who's totally out of his league, and his royalty
Speaker 1: who comes from the ship out in orbit, and then
Speaker 1: they get sent on this mission to go to another Earth.
Speaker 1: And when they get there, they show up with this
Speaker 1: giant fleet and it's just like Earth, but it's the
Speaker 1: nineteen nineties and it's pre dial up, and then just
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, there's just sort of this massacre
Speaker 1: and this weird alien invasion, but it's the humans invading humans,
Speaker 1: and it's just really hard to comprehend, and then everyone's
Speaker 1: getting enslaved and there's just all of these really horrible
Speaker 1: feelings of dread, and so the main character, which feels
Speaker 1: like me at this point, just sort of jerks out
Speaker 1: of the situation and tries to leave with the girl,
Speaker 1: but in their machine trying to go back gets broken
Speaker 1: and they're in between time and then they're gonna lose oxygen,
Speaker 1: and then there's this weird gray alien falling around as
Speaker 1: there's this beeping noise, you know, sort of this clock
Speaker 1: as they're gonna die, and they decide to have intercourse,
Speaker 1: and you know, she just sits on top of him,
Speaker 1: and then that's it. Boom, that's the last bit of oxygen.
Speaker 1: And then they both naked because they knew they were
Speaker 1: gonna die and they've been planning it this way. And
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden they're on this mega mothership
Speaker 1: and there's this council of eight praying mantises that are
Speaker 1: like eight feet tall, kind of a greenish pale complexion.
Speaker 1: They have these kind of vampire robes that have these
Speaker 1: little flaps that come out from the top and then
Speaker 1: these little capes. They're all sitting in this cute little
Speaker 1: circle of eight, and there's this metal ball in the
Speaker 1: middle of the room that's huge, but it opens up
Speaker 1: like an eyeball and you can sort of see past,
Speaker 1: present in future, and it's sort of showing the whole
Speaker 1: story of humanity and sort of saying, hey, you know,
Speaker 1: don't go out and mess with life elsewhere in the
Speaker 1: universe that was planted there. There are things that are
Speaker 1: unseen that you don't realize. In order for things to
Speaker 1: be a certain way, and sort of this like really
Speaker 1: strange warning. And so the characters, I don't know if
Speaker 1: they disagree or agree, but they just they get sent back.
Speaker 1: And then the end of the dream, which is even stranger,
Speaker 1: is that the general that sent them out, who is
Speaker 1: a human on the mission to begin with, they're now back,
Speaker 1: but it's been ten thousand years, has turned into an
Speaker 1: AI and has replicated himself and has figured out some
Speaker 1: kind of highway through all of the galaxies in the
Speaker 1: nearby region and is going to continue to keep finding
Speaker 1: all of the Earth in order to steal the resources.
Speaker 1: And so I woke up from that dream and I
Speaker 1: was just did I just witness the apocalypse? What's going
Speaker 1: to happen?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 1: Am I being told of the future? And so that's
Speaker 1: when I decided that I needed to find someoney to
Speaker 1: do some hypnosis with that what in the what the
Speaker 1: heck is locked in my mind? These dreams are just
Speaker 1: so vivid and they're so wild, and they're so colorful,
Speaker 1: and I feel I'm watching a TV. I'm just outside
Speaker 1: of the perspective of the dream. So it's I know
Speaker 1: that I'm dreaming while I'm watching, which is even stranger.
Speaker 1: So I end up just on the Internet browsing around.
Speaker 1: Couple couple weeks later, Lo and behold, I see a
Speaker 1: Vice TV thing about alien abduction hypnosis with Laurie MacDonald
Speaker 1: in Sacramento. And she's got this blonde hair and seems
Speaker 1: like this really nice lady with this soft smile, and
Speaker 1: she's doing this hypnosis with this dude with the mustache,
Speaker 1: older guy, and he has these really really special tears
Speaker 1: at the end and kind of gives her a hug
Speaker 1: and like, actually looks like he's been through something, right,
Speaker 1: And so I started diving into hypnosis, and the more
Speaker 1: I learned about it, the more I got turned off.
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, most people that do hypnosis or amateurs,
Speaker 1: Oh crap, Okay, most people that do hypnosis you know
Speaker 1: this and that, and people that are more creative are
Speaker 1: more likely to be more hypnotized. And so, you know,
Speaker 1: I was looking up the history of hypnosis and just
Speaker 1: sort of what is this. Is this a pseudoscience or
Speaker 1: is this like actually like a scholarly pursuit that's going on.
Speaker 1: So I sort of stayed on the fence on it,
Speaker 1: and even in this day, it was sort of on
Speaker 1: the fence on it. But decided that just at of
Speaker 1: pure unknowing this, I just I just had to know.
Speaker 1: And after you know, constantly going over Betty and Barney
Speaker 1: Hill's hypnosis stuff, just so fascinated to see what I
Speaker 1: could unlock out of my mind. So I think it
Speaker 1: was probably twenty nineteen or something at this point, and
Speaker 1: I went to Bernie Man. I met a girl and
Speaker 1: told her, Hey, we've got to drive to Sacramento so
Speaker 1: I can do this in person. And so we're going
Speaker 1: to go check out some skate parks and we went
Speaker 1: to go do this. And so when we showed up,
Speaker 1: all right, will you watch sage and I'll be back
Speaker 1: in an hour. So I walked into this office kind
Speaker 1: of down by the river, and you know, I was
Speaker 1: sort of expecting what I was going to see on TV,
Speaker 1: and you know, my thing was going to be recorded,
Speaker 1: and there was going to be somebody drawing, you know,
Speaker 1: my thing. I was paying like two hundred and fifty bucks.
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, this is a big deal. But
Speaker 1: it was just her, which was fine, and she's having
Speaker 1: a little bit of a coffee fit, and she's a
Speaker 1: normal human being and she was really sweet and she
Speaker 1: had her own owl stories telling me that she'd been
Speaker 1: followed by an owl in Sacramento for for years and
Speaker 1: that the day that she moved out of town, the
Speaker 1: renter that she had gotten in the place afterwards or
Speaker 1: whatever told her that the owl just died instantly. And
Speaker 1: so when she told me her owl story, I just
Speaker 1: immediately had a kinship. I was like, Okay, this is
Speaker 1: this is good. This I can relate to. This that
Speaker 1: makes sense to me. Like I'm having a lot of
Speaker 1: weird owl stuff as well. And you know, she she
Speaker 1: had these really interesting convictions. It was the first person
Speaker 1: I met in the UFO community, like a real investigator.
Speaker 1: And she's like, you got to tell them what the
Speaker 1: rules are. They're not allowed to break the rules. They're
Speaker 1: not allowed to do sexual misconduct, they're not allowed to
Speaker 1: take you without your permission. And I'm starting to think, man,
Speaker 1: I thought I was somebody that knew a lot about UFOs.
Speaker 1: I don't know shit. This This lady is gnarly. I mean, wow,
Speaker 1: you know so much. I know so little. How can
Speaker 1: I start to, you know, get into this learn more?
Speaker 1: And so when we finally did the hypnosis, I was said,
Speaker 1: laid down, and I was She'll never get me to
Speaker 1: go out completely, you know, I just I just don't
Speaker 1: believe that I can really be hypnotized with sort of
Speaker 1: how I went into it. And I think for about
Speaker 1: an hour and a half, I sort of just went
Speaker 1: along with it. I sort of hoping that something would happen,
Speaker 1: and I was kind of at the point where I was, Oh, man,
Speaker 1: how long am I gonna let a girl from burning
Speaker 1: man and the dog outside in the heat? Oh No.
Speaker 1: So that's just when I felt something come right off.
Speaker 1: I think it's my cerebellum, the little bump on the
Speaker 1: back of your head. I felt a spinal cord just
Speaker 1: dangle right off of it, and it kind of felt
Speaker 1: like almost a tird about to fall out of my
Speaker 1: butt or something. It was just this horrible sensation of, uh,
Speaker 1: is it gonna come off? What is it? And these
Speaker 1: three vertebrate I could feel it in My first inclination
Speaker 1: was almost in the matrix when Neo right goes and
Speaker 1: clips into the matrix. It was it was sort of
Speaker 1: like that more grotesque. I could actually see the vertebrae
Speaker 1: and I pushed back into it. And that's immediately when
Speaker 1: I just saw myself in outer space and I just
Speaker 1: saw this huge silver football and had this beautiful blue
Speaker 1: line going right through the middle of it, sort of
Speaker 1: this Elvis blue, and it was huge. It was way
Speaker 1: way big. I mean, I was out in between the
Speaker 1: planets or something in Mars in the background, and this
Speaker 1: thing was eighth the size of Mars or something. It
Speaker 1: was huge, and it was this beautiful silver metal that
Speaker 1: was shining, and it was almost if a football was
Speaker 1: covered in chrome. And then you just broke the middle
Speaker 1: out and then I looked deeper and I could see
Speaker 1: these little silhouettes inside of the blue, like my eye
Speaker 1: turned into binoculars for a second, and they were like
Speaker 1: these little grays almost looking back at me, but have
Speaker 1: different heights, and kind of grouped together in this funny
Speaker 1: little grouping, like they were looking out windows. And I
Speaker 1: all of a sudden sort of got trans muted onto
Speaker 1: a stage at the Emmys, and I was receiving an
Speaker 1: Academy Award, and I was in front of this huge
Speaker 1: audience and all of these people were clapping, and I
Speaker 1: just could not stop convulsively crying, and I was so
Speaker 1: a part of the crowd. I was just delighted. I
Speaker 1: could even feel Laura's feeling of that sensation. Almost this
Speaker 1: light was being lit inside of me and it was
Speaker 1: turning into an inferno, and like we both knew it
Speaker 1: was kind of like go out like a comment. And
Speaker 1: then I like came out of it, and I sort
Speaker 1: of looked at her and I thought to myself, supposed
Speaker 1: to make a movie? What? And then I talked to
Speaker 1: her and what do you think the Academy Award things about?
Speaker 1: And she's like, I don't know, what do you think
Speaker 1: about it?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: How can we make this reality?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: And she was already manifesting it. Now, It's just like
Speaker 1: that is so bizarre. Am I supposed to be like
Speaker 1: a producer or agent for these things? Is this? Do
Speaker 1: I have like a mission or something?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 1: What is this about? And so I started to then
Speaker 1: have these thoughts and inclinations that yes, not only that,
Speaker 1: but you need to become a screenplay writer, and you're
Speaker 1: gonna come up with this screenplay. And so I came
Speaker 1: up with this idea for Close Encounters of the Bill
Speaker 1: Murray kind, and that Bill Murray would come down as
Speaker 1: an extraterrestrial going to Bernie Man to get to all
Speaker 1: of the billionaires to turn them into funny animals or something,
Speaker 1: and then to just split and then to come back
Speaker 1: years later and give everybody free technology and free energy
Speaker 1: and watch all of the nationalities and all of that
Speaker 1: just completely dissolved instantly as everyone's immediately equal. But when
Speaker 1: he gives the technology to people, he does it when
Speaker 1: they're taking a shit, while people are having sex, while
Speaker 1: people are in a car crash, like just instantaneouly see
Speaker 1: everywhere at all points, giving this free technology, and how
Speaker 1: that just changes humanity and turns it into a human
Speaker 1: paradise versus a big bowl of suffering and only good
Speaker 1: for the few that rise to the top through privilege.
Speaker 1: And so that took me to want to go to school,
Speaker 1: and I took screenplay writing classes, and then I'm working
Speaker 1: with this screenplay writing guy and I'm just trying to
Speaker 1: tell him I'm not dyslexic, but it's seeming pretty obvious,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, hey, man, how come every time I
Speaker 1: do this shit, I suck at everything. None of my
Speaker 1: screenplays work. They all suck. And he's like, well, maybe
Speaker 1: you should be a director. That's it. I'll be a directory. Result. Well,
Speaker 1: if you're going to be a director, you're going to
Speaker 1: learn how to write a screenplay first, and so you know,
Speaker 1: I just kept working on Close Encounters of the Bill
Speaker 1: Murray Kind and I shared it with him, and I
Speaker 1: was just working on it, and I was working on it,
Speaker 1: and I was working on it, and I sort of
Speaker 1: got to this place where I was, Okay, well, if
Speaker 1: I'm going to be a director, then I need to
Speaker 1: go to the Santa Barbara International Film Festival. And I'm
Speaker 1: right here in the middle of town. I can go
Speaker 1: to all of these things. And I went, well, how
Speaker 1: am I going to pay for one of those golden passes?
Speaker 1: I can't afford that shit. That's expensive. And I just
Speaker 1: thought popped in my head, going Craigslist. It's on there
Speaker 1: right now for you, if you're willing to look. And
Speaker 1: I went on there and there was a ticket with
Speaker 1: Brad Pitt's face on it and it was half off
Speaker 1: five hundred bucks or something. I'm like, what, man, I
Speaker 1: got just enough for that, and so I thought maybe
Speaker 1: it was fake. And then all of a sudden, I
Speaker 1: show up at this Starbucks and this lady had this
Speaker 1: medical complication and she couldn't go, and her daughters were
Speaker 1: there and they were really sad. It was like a funeral.
Speaker 1: She was so sad that she wasn't going to be
Speaker 1: able to see it, and sort of like pumped me up.
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, I go to the
Speaker 1: film festival and I go see sixty movies. I went
Speaker 1: to absolutely everything, and I was searching for somebody, and
Speaker 1: I had no idea who it was or why. I
Speaker 1: was just gonna wake up at seven o'clock in the
Speaker 1: morning and go to movies and do it all the
Speaker 1: way until ten o'clock at night, and go to all
Speaker 1: the cocktail parties. And it was just really lonely. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, cool, I couldn't figure out anyone to
Speaker 1: hang out with with, you know, go to a social place,
Speaker 1: remove myself and stand in the corner and just observe.
Speaker 1: And so I was, I don't know what I'm even
Speaker 1: doing here. And then that's when I met a producer
Speaker 1: who had an amazing documentary that year. And I'm standing
Speaker 1: in line and I'm just looking at this dude with
Speaker 1: a bald head and a long beard, his z eazy
Speaker 1: top or something, and he just turns around and he
Speaker 1: just starts staring at me, not like he's flirting with
Speaker 1: me or something, but just really looking deep and I'm
Speaker 1: looking back at him, and then comes in really close
Speaker 1: and he starts siinfelding me where there's that episode of
Speaker 1: where the guy stands too close to everybody. I'm taking
Speaker 1: little steps back. He introduces himself and his director and
Speaker 1: we hit it off super hard, and they invited me
Speaker 1: to their hotel room when they were leaving so that
Speaker 1: I could tell them my UFO story. I wanted to
Speaker 1: tell it to the producer and he seems sort of interested,
Speaker 1: but I wasn't really there to pitch my UFO story.
Speaker 1: I was there to make I was there to make
Speaker 1: the movie for Close Encounters of the Third Time with Bill,
Speaker 1: and I was going to figure out some way of
Speaker 1: getting his one eight hundred number, and I was going
Speaker 1: to make this come into fruition. And so I pitched
Speaker 1: all of my documentary ideas in my UFO documentary to them.
Speaker 1: A couple weeks later, he calls me back and he goes,
Speaker 1: you know what, we want to make a documentary on you.
Speaker 1: We're going to start researching, We're going to break down
Speaker 1: your life, and so all of a sudden, COVID hits.
Speaker 1: Everything gets shut down and we just have this whole
Speaker 1: year or nine months to just completely dive into this.
Speaker 1: And he's a Christian and he's a skeptic. He's not
Speaker 1: really a UFO, but I wouldn't call him a debunker either,
Speaker 1: And so it was a really interesting relationship. And told
Speaker 1: him all about my stepdad and how I'd lived in
Speaker 1: Virginia for seven years and my mom and met this
Speaker 1: guy at a karate studio. Taught me about hunting and
Speaker 1: fishing and never had a job because he had to
Speaker 1: deal with my crazy EIGHTYHD and energy. And they were
Speaker 1: worried that I was going to get hurt all the
Speaker 1: time or something was going to happen to me and
Speaker 1: I was going to get in a fight. And so
Speaker 1: he would take me hunting and fishing constantly all the time,
Speaker 1: all over Virginia and we were just stomping up and
Speaker 1: down the mountains all day long, and you know, it
Speaker 1: was it was it was gnarly. It was like it's
Speaker 1: just like a really gnarly redneck. And you know, maybe
Speaker 1: one time, eat a bowl of mushrooms and tomatoes to
Speaker 1: go night ski. I was like, bro, are we going
Speaker 1: to get in the car and go And he goes, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: You're gonna eat that bowl first of mushrooms and tomatoes.
Speaker 1: And I was, no way, I'm going to do that.
Speaker 1: And then the next thing, I know, I want to
Speaker 1: go skiing, and so I started to do it, and
Speaker 1: then I threw up, and he goes, You're going to
Speaker 1: still eat that, because that was the kind of militant
Speaker 1: he was. You know, if I was washing dishes, he'd
Speaker 1: be over my shoulder and if one dish had any
Speaker 1: dirt on it, I'd have to wash all of the
Speaker 1: dishes again, you know, and then he put ranch on it,
Speaker 1: and then I had to eat that. And it was
Speaker 1: just a series of just traumatic experiences with him. And
Speaker 1: you know, the first night that I met him, he
Speaker 1: hung me up by my neck and told me that
Speaker 1: he was a man of the house and was choking
Speaker 1: me out, you know, by my shirt, lifting me up,
Speaker 1: and it just that whole thing, you know, with him,
Speaker 1: was just something I'd been running away from my entire life,
Speaker 1: and you know, never really told people about this whole
Speaker 1: other life I'd had, as had been trained as a
Speaker 1: marksman and an archer and a fisherman and all this
Speaker 1: stuff that people on the West Coast. When I moved
Speaker 1: here didn't understand at least in southern California. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I just went on and on about my life and
Speaker 1: this and I thought, you know, this documentary was going
Speaker 1: to change the world. And then we had these conversations
Speaker 1: where it would be pushing him and being like, you know,
Speaker 1: what do you really think? And he'd be like, well,
Speaker 1: if Alias wanted to just wipe us out, they would,
Speaker 1: and I well, if they could, then do you really
Speaker 1: think it's our planet? What's your thoughts on that? And
Speaker 1: sort of like trying to do this yoga dance with
Speaker 1: him of philosophy and cosmology, and so he ended up
Speaker 1: finding different people to interview and we tried to make
Speaker 1: a sizzle, and so his director came out and we
Speaker 1: decided that we were going to find some obscure spot somewhere.
Speaker 1: We were going to shoot this sizzle with my really
Speaker 1: cool van. And I was really tired at the time.
Speaker 1: My wife was pregnant. I met a girl through surf
Speaker 1: lessons who was pretty much pure Scottish and she was,
Speaker 1: you know, living at this house on an avocado ranch
Speaker 1: that was all moldy, and we had nowhere to go,
Speaker 1: and so we were just we're in a really tough time.
Speaker 1: But I did this thing and I went out there
Speaker 1: with my three dogs that were living in my van
Speaker 1: at the time and brought them with me, and you know,
Speaker 1: we're trying to shoot and I was like talking to
Speaker 1: the director. I was like, you think I should wear
Speaker 1: this hat? He's all loose the hat. It was all, oh,
Speaker 1: he goes, you can wear the hat if you want.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, no, that's all right. I was like,
Speaker 1: you want to get any shots with my dogs? He's like, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: just these weird drone shots. And so I decided to
Speaker 1: smoke weed while I was doing that, and I was
Speaker 1: like driving and you know, took a bong load driving
Speaker 1: with my knees. And I didn't tell any of that
Speaker 1: to the producer, who found out later and was just
Speaker 1: crushed because he felt like I didn't give my best
Speaker 1: performance or whatever. But I just I was hoping that
Speaker 1: he was going to show up, and I had given
Speaker 1: him money, and I became very obsessed about the whole thing,
Speaker 1: calling him way too many times, as he didn't call
Speaker 1: me back whatsoever. In our documentary to Change the World
Speaker 1: just abruptly ended.
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Speaker 1: The only thing that came out of it for me
Speaker 1: was I got Chris Bletso's number. And this is probably
Speaker 1: three years ago before Chris was as big of a
Speaker 1: name as he is now, and he's an amazing guy,
Speaker 1: and we've gotten the bond. But I told the producer
Speaker 1: there at the end he still hadn't given me Chris's number,
Speaker 1: and I said, dude, you have to give me that
Speaker 1: number because this is a part of my personal journey
Speaker 1: and that to clue. And so a week or two
Speaker 1: later he did, and I finally called up Chris and
Speaker 1: then sort of opened up a whole other can of
Speaker 1: worms and sort of at that point, I was living
Speaker 1: with my wife on the MESA and we I don't
Speaker 1: think we I don't think we've been quite kicked out
Speaker 1: of our place, yet this sort of sort of happened.
Speaker 1: I sort of just jumped into her spot, and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, landlord, it was like, whoa, whoa,
Speaker 1: you got two dogs. Now you got three dogs over there.
Speaker 1: Get out of here, guys, and you're pregnant. But when
Speaker 1: I met my wife, I didn't want to tell her
Speaker 1: about UFOs and stuff, And it was around the same
Speaker 1: time as the documentary and stuff, so I told her
Speaker 1: about that, and then she started having some experiences where
Speaker 1: she had a twisted wet suit where the logo was
Speaker 1: one way, and then we went surfing one day and
Speaker 1: the whole thing was twisted around with the knee patches
Speaker 1: on the wrong side. And I run a service school,
Speaker 1: so I'm pretty pretty aware of how wet suits work.
Speaker 1: And then a couple of days later, it twisted back
Speaker 1: right on the same shower hanger that it was at
Speaker 1: At the place. She had a experience where she was
Speaker 1: going to bed and she saw a bright light and
Speaker 1: then she thought, what is that? And then the bright
Speaker 1: light went away. She had another experience where there was
Speaker 1: a sunset at the end of the bed. All times,
Speaker 1: I was completely passed out. By the way, I passed
Speaker 1: out really hard, but there was a sunset where the
Speaker 1: top of it was like an orange and then down
Speaker 1: at the bottom was like a purple. And so yeah,
Speaker 1: I sort of when I got on the phone with Chris,
Speaker 1: told him about my uhul story stuff. I told him
Speaker 1: about all the other abductions that had happened and the
Speaker 1: weird things, and told him about what was going on
Speaker 1: at the house with my wife. And I was also
Speaker 1: feeling like I was led to my wife the ets
Speaker 1: or whatever that this surf lesson had just randomly come
Speaker 1: to me through my surf school, which was one of
Speaker 1: the only COVID surf lessons I did. Because it was
Speaker 1: so parad annoying about COVID, I was out of my mind,
Speaker 1: which is okay, because at the time, everybody was that
Speaker 1: we were supposed to actually have a kid, and then
Speaker 1: it was the second child that they would want. And
Speaker 1: I actually sort of implied that at some point to
Speaker 1: her and brought her into all of this, and somehow
Speaker 1: or other she signed up and not even knowing each
Speaker 1: other for six months, you know, immediately knocked her up.
Speaker 1: And so when I got on the phone with Chris,
Speaker 1: I just kept going on about experiences, and then he said,
Speaker 1: tell me about your childhood trauma. Well, I played dodgeball
Speaker 1: for a while, and I wasn't. I didn't really want
Speaker 1: to mention Ben, and I didn't really want to mention
Speaker 1: my mom's divorce or the fact that I was alone
Speaker 1: for like a year and a half while my mom
Speaker 1: was on double prescription of xan X, and I just
Speaker 1: wasn't being watched the nineteen eighty seven earthquake in the
Speaker 1: Bay Area, I think it was like October seventeenth or whatever,
Speaker 1: during the World Series versus the A's versus the Giants.
Speaker 1: I was actually on the roof of my house right
Speaker 1: before that and had a premonition of something happening in
Speaker 1: randomn and then the earthquake happened. So, just just to
Speaker 1: give you an understand just the lack of supervision, I
Speaker 1: was playing on the roof every day for months before that.
Speaker 1: You know, my mom had gotten their tubes tied and
Speaker 1: almost died in surgery. And then we went to Virginia
Speaker 1: and I had all these teachers that hated kids that
Speaker 1: couldn't read, particularly one names Freeland, and made my life
Speaker 1: a living hell and made me a dunce cap. I
Speaker 1: actually made my own dunce cap and separated me from
Speaker 1: the children. But like, I actually had a physical dunce
Speaker 1: cap in this little trailer we were in, and yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, it was suicidal in fifth grade, you know,
Speaker 1: and was on riddlin and all that shit. And so
Speaker 1: he said, that's exactly it. That's what I was looking for.
Speaker 1: And so we got into this whole conversation about how
Speaker 1: these UFOs are sort of lured to people who have
Speaker 1: high levels of trauma. So with the high level of ADHD,
Speaker 1: you know, I've been making friends is like impossible, and
Speaker 1: even in this daily have so few friends, probably just
Speaker 1: because I'm so much to handle. But I ended up
Speaker 1: listening to the man and he explained that they weren't aliens,
Speaker 1: that they were angels from his perspective, and that they
Speaker 1: weren't visitors from some far out place, but they were
Speaker 1: actually coming here because of our suffering and had a
Speaker 1: spiritual message and wanted to help us out. And so
Speaker 1: that was kind of the first time of actually being
Speaker 1: injected with like some nice energy and sort of thinking
Speaker 1: about this in a positive perspective. And then he said,
Speaker 1: you know, after thirteen years or twelve years, the gifts
Speaker 1: start coming to you, and he was really referring to
Speaker 1: the whole thing more as the gin or a genie,
Speaker 1: And so I started to try to clear my thoughts
Speaker 1: and start thinking in those types of ways. And he
Speaker 1: told me there was a study done where one hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty people with high amounts of close encounter experiences
Speaker 1: all had only one thing in common, which was early
Speaker 1: childhood suffering. So I really started diving into that and
Speaker 1: talking to my mother and sort of realizing that my
Speaker 1: mom didn't want to be framed as a bad mother
Speaker 1: and so didn't want to talk about those things. But
Speaker 1: the more that I went into it, it seemed that
Speaker 1: I would instantly have a bad story to tell for
Speaker 1: the rest of my life if I continued down the path.
Speaker 1: So I decided, after talking to Chris, that I should
Speaker 1: maybe open up. And that's when I decided to file
Speaker 1: a move on report. And I'd looked into it before
Speaker 1: in two thousand and six, but I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't even know what the hell is moved on, you know,
Speaker 1: I just people weren't even wanting to talk about aliens.
Speaker 1: But ever since everything happened in twenty seventeen, with all
Speaker 1: of the tic Tac footage and Louelsandre, I felt more
Speaker 1: comfortable really kind of putting my foot out there. And
Speaker 1: I got a phone call from Earl gray Anderson who
Speaker 1: listened to my story for probably two hours and just
Speaker 1: went on about his experiences as well, and about his
Speaker 1: mother being a headhunter for some of the top secret
Speaker 1: departments in the government, and Vernon Broon Brown had a
Speaker 1: crush on his mother and her whole house burned instantaneous,
Speaker 1: and his story about talking about Star Wars and Show
Speaker 1: and Tell, and then his mother had to come and
Speaker 1: say that he was lying and that there's some kind
Speaker 1: of official report. I mean, I just immediately just fell
Speaker 1: in love with Earle in his voice and his ability
Speaker 1: to listen is just such a great listener. And he said,
Speaker 1: you know, I had already started doing some UFO art
Speaker 1: at this point, but he really implored me to really
Speaker 1: draw it out and sort of take like a great bishop,
Speaker 1: who's another really great guy's philosophy, and you know, don't
Speaker 1: tell me about your UFO. Draw out all your feelings,
Speaker 1: you know, get it on paper, and let's look at
Speaker 1: it as data. And so that's when he started really
Speaker 1: going hard at my UFO art if you will, And
Speaker 1: I started thinking about all the different conceptions, and it
Speaker 1: came up with one idea to put all of my
Speaker 1: UFO stories in a seven layer head of a gray
Speaker 1: alien on a piece of paper about seventeen by twenty
Speaker 1: two marker paper, and just buy five hundred dollars worth
Speaker 1: of markers and sharpie's and just go to town at it.
Speaker 1: A lot of the art projects I would start, I
Speaker 1: would trace them out and then sort of look at
Speaker 1: it as like this ultimate coloring book that I would
Speaker 1: never finish. But then I would become really obsessent and
Speaker 1: play loud music and smoke lots of weed and just
Speaker 1: draw all the way through the night into the next day,
Speaker 1: into the next day, and just have these big pushes
Speaker 1: to just get it done. I did another amazing piece
Speaker 1: with purples and blacks. Is like a linear background through
Speaker 1: stars and the cross section of the mother ship with
Speaker 1: myself in the middle crucified on some surfboards and hoose
Speaker 1: attached to my ppe spreading sperm throughout the whole ship
Speaker 1: that was full of alien embryos that are hybrids overlooking
Speaker 1: Earth in the same shape as that UFO that I
Speaker 1: saw in the channeling with Lori. So I went to
Speaker 1: alien Gon and I met Chris in person. I didn't
Speaker 1: know he was going to be there, and he implored
Speaker 1: me to go more into my childhood suffering and really
Speaker 1: learn exactly what happened, which couldn't believe there was even more,
Speaker 1: Just so much adversity and so many challenges. I'm wondering
Speaker 1: how I'm even alive.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I got to look at the UFO community sort of right,
Speaker 1: and there's these different sort of things going on. There
Speaker 1: was all these people with ancient aliens and then there
Speaker 1: are you know, people they're saying aliens are really evil.
Speaker 1: And I actually brought my art with me and I
Speaker 1: didn't know why. And I just had this big portfolio
Speaker 1: and I would just go around and if you talk
Speaker 1: to me, and I was brave enough to stop and
Speaker 1: talk to you, I would show you my art. And
Speaker 1: a couple of times I started taking it out, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden in a crowd would sort of
Speaker 1: develop around me, and people would go, well, shouldn't that
Speaker 1: be hung up somewhere. Shouldn't that be like you know,
Speaker 1: in a museum, look at all the work, look at
Speaker 1: all that detail and stuff, and you know, he could
Speaker 1: take a magnifying glass and still see stuff, you know,
Speaker 1: just because I'm working at some of the pen tips
Speaker 1: are like point three, you know, to get some of
Speaker 1: the detail in that I want, because that's why I
Speaker 1: don't like working with paint, because I can't control it
Speaker 1: the way that I want. And just having this mission,
Speaker 1: you know, the documentary had failed, and I told the
Speaker 1: producer the last time I talked to him that I
Speaker 1: wasn't going to give up, and Earl Gray Anderson started
Speaker 1: inviting me to movie premieres and I went to go
Speaker 1: see James Fox and his Virginia premiere about UFOs in Brazil,
Speaker 1: and then I was on a mission to meet him,
Speaker 1: and I was just I kind of felt like it
Speaker 1: was lurking, you know. And I went to the after
Speaker 1: party and I was trying to talk to him, but
Speaker 1: he was there with his daughter, and I was staring
Speaker 1: at his daughter, and I was like, why are you
Speaker 1: staring at his daughter? So I went outside and smoked
Speaker 1: a joint and I was, Okay, none of that energy's working,
Speaker 1: Like I'm going to give up. And I talked to
Speaker 1: the bouncer and he's like, hey, man, don't give up.
Speaker 1: Just just keep trying. And so I went in a
Speaker 1: couple of more times and finally everything closed up. He
Speaker 1: was with one of these alien bunnies that was with
Speaker 1: him for the premiere, this beautiful woman, and they were
Speaker 1: going to walk to a CVS with some guy had
Speaker 1: flown in from France or something, and they're like, this
Speaker 1: guy gets to stay at my house because he came
Speaker 1: the furthest for this premiere. And I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't want to hang out, and so I followed him
Speaker 1: some more, and then finally I had a moment and
Speaker 1: I was like hey, and I told him a little
Speaker 1: bit about myself and I but I tried to keep
Speaker 1: myself mysterious. And I said, do you think that you're
Speaker 1: being led to make movies because of, you know, for
Speaker 1: the ets? And he like paused for a minute and
Speaker 1: kind of went tight lived and he went I think,
Speaker 1: so I really do. I really do feel like I led.
Speaker 1: And then I asked him, well, what do you what's
Speaker 1: your recommendation for people making, you know, UFO documentaries, and
Speaker 1: he said, oh, work ten times harder. I went ten
Speaker 1: times harder. Man. I put my whole I put everything
Speaker 1: into this. He's yeah, you know, and had this amazing
Speaker 1: moment with him, and then yeah, just continued to meet
Speaker 1: more and more people in the UFO community and to
Speaker 1: get a deeper perspective of what all of these people thought.
Speaker 1: It seemed like each person I talked to almost had
Speaker 1: their own unique perspective, that there were similarities and differences.
Speaker 1: But some people, you know, I would get a relationship
Speaker 1: with and I'd get their phone number, and I even
Speaker 1: still talk to some of these people to this day.
Speaker 1: Through that first year of kind of going out and
Speaker 1: so I kind of just kept making the art, but
Speaker 1: then I wasn't sure if I was going to sell
Speaker 1: it or what I was going to do with it.
Speaker 1: Then I made another art piece where I did a
Speaker 1: million little gray aliens. It was sort of all as
Speaker 1: one piece. I wanted to show the different colors of
Speaker 1: aliens skin. Everybody always thinks aliens are always gray, but
Speaker 1: they've been reported as brown and all these different colors,
Speaker 1: and sometimes they change from what they eat, you know,
Speaker 1: all the anecdotal stuff you hear in euphology. So I
Speaker 1: wanted to kind of do that, and then I just
Speaker 1: obsessed out to the point where I was trying to
Speaker 1: fill up spaces and do little faces on dots, and
Speaker 1: I did this amazing color scheme that almost kind of
Speaker 1: looks like a person's aura, with like a greens and
Speaker 1: then purples, and then pinks and yellows, and then into
Speaker 1: grays and browns and purples again. You know, I just
Speaker 1: was trying to figure out what all of it meant.
Speaker 1: You know, I was just confused. And then there was
Speaker 1: a moment where I was down at ringcom Point and
Speaker 1: it was around four twenty and I was surfing and
Speaker 1: I came in after it was pretty dark, and then
Speaker 1: all all of a sudden, I just saw this light
Speaker 1: come screaming down the Santa Barbara channel. I thought it
Speaker 1: was somebody with the drone, but the sun had already set,
Speaker 1: so there's no reason for a drone to be out there.
Speaker 1: And it was moving, it was hustling down, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, I turned around and it stopped when
Speaker 1: I looked at it, and I took out my cell
Speaker 1: phone and I got fifty three seconds of this thing
Speaker 1: right in front of me. And the reason that they
Speaker 1: showed up, or at least I think they did, was
Speaker 1: is because I was taunting them, and I was saying, man,
Speaker 1: you're going to show up for Chris Blutzel all the time.
Speaker 1: How are you not going to show up for me?
Speaker 1: You need to show up for me. I'm doing all
Speaker 1: this shit for you. You need to I need at
Speaker 1: least something so I can prove what's going on. And
Speaker 1: for fifty three seconds, this object just sat there and
Speaker 1: then it just instantly disappears, and you can see it
Speaker 1: on camera. It just disappears, you know. So I showed
Speaker 1: this video to people and they're like, James, it's a
Speaker 1: light in the sky. And I'm like, are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: You know, out of all my earthly abilities, this is
Speaker 1: the best that I can do. I even asked for this,
Speaker 1: and here it showed up. And I've had a couple
Speaker 1: other incidences actually at ringcom Point, where I've been out
Speaker 1: at night surfing after dark and seeing that light and
Speaker 1: at one point even told me which wave to catch.
Speaker 1: There was a set coming in of three waves and
Speaker 1: I really wanted to go in and it was dark,
Speaker 1: and they were like, yeah, catch the third one, that's
Speaker 1: the best one. And ended up riding that wave all
Speaker 1: the way through the COVID Ringcon and never even saw it.
Speaker 1: I was just moving and just the air going past me,
Speaker 1: and it was just an incredible feeling. And then also
Speaker 1: having that guidance, and so I, you know, asked Chris
Speaker 1: a couple more times, you know, about this, these experiences
Speaker 1: and about the hitchhikers effect and sort of what this
Speaker 1: meant and meeting, and every time I talked to him,
Speaker 1: I'd get like a deeper meaning on things. And just
Speaker 1: recently with contact in the desert before I went out,
Speaker 1: Eye contacted Chris probably two weeks before, and I got
Speaker 1: a message in my head that said, hey, we want
Speaker 1: you to just send him a message and say you're
Speaker 1: thinking about him. It was very like abstract thought, and
Speaker 1: I thought, that's going to make me sound kind of gay,
Speaker 1: even though I'm not like homophobic. That's just perbadim of
Speaker 1: what I thought. I was like, that's gay. No, No,
Speaker 1: I don't want to think some UFO guy on the
Speaker 1: West Coast is thinking about him. And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you're not homophobic, And what do you have to
Speaker 1: lose if you heard this, and you know, just test
Speaker 1: it out. And so he sent back right after that
Speaker 1: same to you. So I didn't think too much of it.
Speaker 1: And then a night later, I'm on my cell phone
Speaker 1: and I'm talking to a friend and she's telling me
Speaker 1: this terrible story about our mother used to beat her,
Speaker 1: and then she's never told anybody of this story. And
Speaker 1: I'm sitting in my laundry room looking out and there's
Speaker 1: this amazing little circle in the trees looking over at
Speaker 1: construction site about two hundred yards away, and I just
Speaker 1: see this big wing and it's got these lights on
Speaker 1: the bottom and it's as thin as possible. It's silver,
Speaker 1: and the lights on the bottom look like suns. It's
Speaker 1: like an orange sun. And I'm like, what kind of
Speaker 1: freaking wing doesn't have you know, a passenger selage or whatever,
Speaker 1: you know, no fuel selage, And it's just sitting there
Speaker 1: and I'm like oh, and I just kind of hold
Speaker 1: my breath and then it just moves through and goes
Speaker 1: out of you and then back in view again and
Speaker 1: then just disappears, like a CD going into a CD player,
Speaker 1: like the end of the front end of it went
Speaker 1: in and it just disappeared. And I was on the
Speaker 1: phone with my friend Sarah, and I was like, Sarah,
Speaker 1: I just saw UFO, and like she knows about some
Speaker 1: of my UFO stuff, and she's like, I bet you did.
Speaker 1: I was like, no, no, you don't understand. And so
Speaker 1: that's sort of the blessing and the curse of being
Speaker 1: the single, the only witness, and so I was blown away.
Speaker 1: I come inside and I draw like, wow, I think
Speaker 1: it had nine lights. I mean, it was huge, at
Speaker 1: least one hundred yards wide or long, I mean, and
Speaker 1: just the wing it was so thin, and there was
Speaker 1: no like front to it. There was no nothing. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just flat bizarre. And so I'm all jazzed up.
Speaker 1: I call my friends in the move on community and
Speaker 1: this is it, you know, finally, James Pike, it happened.
Speaker 1: They're here at my house. They're showing up. You guys
Speaker 1: should get up here. Unfortunately, you know, I think one
Speaker 1: of the issues of being a UFO investigator is always
Speaker 1: another case to investigate, and everyone kind of seemed to
Speaker 1: got sick and had reasons not to come up. And
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just like really emotional about it at
Speaker 1: this point, and I'm like I can't believe it, you know,
Speaker 1: So I file a report, sort of thinking that's it.
Speaker 1: A couple of days go by and it's late at night,
Speaker 1: around ten thirty, and I'm in my driveway locking my
Speaker 1: doors because I'm worried that, you know, maybe some random
Speaker 1: person's gonna come by and break into my car. Living
Speaker 1: kind of a weird little area where there's some homeless encampment,
Speaker 1: so I'm always kind of paranoid about my stuff getting
Speaker 1: broken into. And I hear this little whisper in my
Speaker 1: head and it said walk back here, and it was
Speaker 1: I laughed, and I was like, what maybe that was
Speaker 1: you dude? Well again, what do you have to lose?
Speaker 1: Obviously it's ten steps over there, just go look. And
Speaker 1: so I walked to the back part of this property
Speaker 1: where I live, where it's actually like an abandoned property
Speaker 1: where it's everything's still wild, and there's these two huge
Speaker 1: eucalyptus trees, and there's forty owls just having like a
Speaker 1: full on owl party, and they're like cooting, and there's
Speaker 1: eighteen or twenty in one and another eighteen or twenty
Speaker 1: in the other, and they're both just directed at each other,
Speaker 1: and I can just hear all this communication and stuff,
Speaker 1: and I'm looking right at the eucalyptus tree, and right
Speaker 1: about midway up sixty feet up or whatever, there's these
Speaker 1: three owls and they just kind of swooping in evenly distributed,
Speaker 1: and I was like, wow. And the thing that's so
Speaker 1: cool about seeing it out is they're silent, right, and
Speaker 1: so I was just, oh, man, that's so cool. And
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, another two went right into
Speaker 1: that same spot, wrapping around the tree, going kind of
Speaker 1: in a downward spiral, and then one and then another three,
Speaker 1: just like the ones that I saw firsthand. And then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the chevron V that's black with
Speaker 1: five lights just blends itself in with the owls like
Speaker 1: a comet. And I saw it and I just lost
Speaker 1: my mind. I just I remember, just started skipping and
Speaker 1: jumping up and down and just being like, oh my,
Speaker 1: I mean, I've seen some amazing comments. I was in
Speaker 1: Santa Cruz one time and saw a comment that was
Speaker 1: like fifty yards wide that looked like Independence date that
Speaker 1: blew across the sky less than fifty feet sixty feet
Speaker 1: above my head. I saw a girl across the way
Speaker 1: at a canal ap toss and she saw it too.
Speaker 1: We ran over and just started making out. It was
Speaker 1: just the most insane thing. This was like on a
Speaker 1: whole other level though, this blended itself in and I
Speaker 1: was just I went and I got my wife out
Speaker 1: of bed, and she's, you know, holding the kid, and
Speaker 1: we're out there and I'm pointing at this tree and
Speaker 1: there's no owls at this point, they're all gone. And
Speaker 1: she's like, what am I looking for? And I'm just,
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm pointing. And I did see like
Speaker 1: these little orbs that were kind of coming in and out,
Speaker 1: but they were kind of hiding behind the tree line,
Speaker 1: and so I was like, look at that, and she's what,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't. And it's just so hard that
Speaker 1: if you're the most tedious observer of all time, you
Speaker 1: might not even notice. And so I'm just freaked out.
Speaker 1: I call up everybody again and I go, where is
Speaker 1: everyone that's going on? It's come up here? This is it,
Speaker 1: this is It's happened. This is Pike Spawn and you
Speaker 1: know Pike Pike, Skinwalker Ranch. It's going on. And a
Speaker 1: night late the next night, I'm just upset nobody showed up.
Speaker 1: They're just there's like, that's great, James, you know the
Speaker 1: best you can't see if you can get it on film.
Speaker 1: And I always say that what the does that matter?
Speaker 1: This is my personal journey. Get it on film this
Speaker 1: shit's been happening, and calling up my mom, She's like,
Speaker 1: we should get canvas on your house, Like what the fuck?
Speaker 1: I know, right, like, what's going on? You know? Around
Speaker 1: this time too, I've been talking to my mom a lot,
Speaker 1: and I told her, you know, that I had been
Speaker 1: taken and she says, well, how many times have you
Speaker 1: been taken? And I said, I don't know, maybe a
Speaker 1: couple hundred times. Through hypnosis has said that I was
Speaker 1: taken every time, and I don't know if I believe that.
Speaker 1: And she's like, well, I don't want them to take you.
Speaker 1: A couple of days later, she saw white owl in
Speaker 1: her backyard that had a bird in its talons and
Speaker 1: it went straight up into the side. And then she
Speaker 1: saw a bumper sticker that said We're Always with you
Speaker 1: that had an alien on it. And so, you know,
Speaker 1: my mom is we're talking and we're both sort of
Speaker 1: psychically on the same par and so like that whole
Speaker 1: day I was just talking to her and talking to her,
Speaker 1: and then we were having those conversations about her owl
Speaker 1: experience and what that. Man, yeah, they're taking my soul
Speaker 1: or something. I'm not sure what it means. And so
Speaker 1: I'm frustrated. It was a really long day and I
Speaker 1: took a shower. It's about the same time of days
Speaker 1: the night before, probably around ten thirty, and I decided,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not leaving the shower. And then my
Speaker 1: German shepherd, you know, say she's outside and she's just
Speaker 1: barking away. Oh bah bah bah, you know, going, going, going,
Speaker 1: and you know the homeless encampments and everything going around here.
Speaker 1: We have like random people running through the bushes and stuff.
Speaker 1: I sort of have to be on guard. And there's
Speaker 1: a high bum factor for sure, And you know, I
Speaker 1: give food to certain people, and I know what's going
Speaker 1: on with the little social orders and stuff. So I'm
Speaker 1: always curious, right and so sage though, she just won't
Speaker 1: shut up, and I'm so tired. I just let this
Speaker 1: go on for ten minutes and it's a very alert bark,
Speaker 1: and she's barking at the shower, so she's barking at me.
Speaker 1: So after ten minutes of this, she's gonna wake up.
Speaker 2: My kid.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, I can't take it, and I'm just
Speaker 1: completely wet. Don't even grab a towel. I just stomp out,
Speaker 1: stomp outside and look at her, and then she just
Speaker 1: sort of gives me this weird Kermit the frog face,
Speaker 1: and she's looking at me but up and I went, oh, now,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna bark now that I'm outside. Great, And
Speaker 1: I immediately just felt something above me and I looked
Speaker 1: and it was an owl and was silent, and I
Speaker 1: can see his ears and the tops of its wings,
Speaker 1: and it was flying right directly over my head, perfectly
Speaker 1: fifty to fifty, like across my skull, at probably less
Speaker 1: than thirty feet up, just right in a perfect little
Speaker 1: nook at the tree line, and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: it turned into that chevron V that I saw the
Speaker 1: night before and flew right over my freaking head. And
Speaker 1: it's flying over my head and it's going one mile
Speaker 1: an hour and I'm looking at it and I could
Speaker 1: make out the five lights, but every time I look
Speaker 1: at it, it was like I was looking at something
Speaker 1: when I'm really drunk and I'm right on the verge
Speaker 1: of passing now and everything's just really blurry, like I
Speaker 1: can see. But if I was to try to go somewhere,
Speaker 1: I know I'm going to run into something, or like
Speaker 1: the heat on a street when you're looking from far away,
Speaker 1: and there's that distortion, and it was just driving me nuts.
Speaker 1: I was trying so hard to get that detail like
Speaker 1: I did that first encounter. I just wasn't able to
Speaker 1: get it. But I did see lines in between the lights,
Speaker 1: directly in the center in between where the lights were,
Speaker 1: and I had five lights, and it was a perfect chevron,
Speaker 1: a beautiful chevron vie that was black. And then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, the tree that's just right over here
Speaker 1: across the creek and went right into the tree, just
Speaker 1: like the one the first time over in the construction site,
Speaker 1: but this time I got to see it from the back,
Speaker 1: and so when it went in, it looked like it
Speaker 1: went into a pool of quicksand like there were no
Speaker 1: ripples or anything. But I was just shocked that it
Speaker 1: went into the tree, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: so now I on this property, I just stand here
Speaker 1: all the time and just look at this stupid tree
Speaker 1: and just go, what in the hell, how is that
Speaker 1: even possible? So again I called up all of these
Speaker 1: people on move On and told them about it, and
Speaker 1: then they were like, well, did you get footage of it?
Speaker 1: And said no, but it flew over and was an
Speaker 1: owl and I wrote down the time and drew out
Speaker 1: what happened, and then I talked to Chris at Contact
Speaker 1: in the desert and then he said, well, I saw
Speaker 1: the same thing two different craft two weeks before you.
Speaker 1: So at first I was I don't even know, I
Speaker 1: can't even handle that wrapped my mind around it, and
Speaker 1: I said, well, Chris, how were they able to know
Speaker 1: where I was looking that first time through the tree
Speaker 1: when I was on the cell phone. I mean, that
Speaker 1: was just so perfect And he said, well, it's because
Speaker 1: they can move back and forth in time, and they
Speaker 1: knew exactly where James was going to be looking when
Speaker 1: he was looking. So that really freaked me out. I
Speaker 1: told my wife about it, and then she had a
Speaker 1: dream about time, which she didn't see time, but she
Speaker 1: felt it. She said that time was happening spontaneously everywhere always,
Speaker 1: and we had gotten in an argument, so you shouldn't
Speaker 1: tell me for a couple of days. And I then
Speaker 1: looked up this thing about block theory and how in
Speaker 1: the fourth dimension you can kind of see everything. You're
Speaker 1: always being bor and you're always dying, and you know,
Speaker 1: just sort of almost built more into my paranoia, like, well,
Speaker 1: shit does that mean that there's just slides in this
Speaker 1: slide show I just can't avoid and eventually going to
Speaker 1: have to go through them. Like there's no way that
Speaker 1: I can plan for these things to come back. It's
Speaker 1: just gonna happen to me. And so, yeah, I decided
Speaker 1: to start working on a memoir to talk about all
Speaker 1: these things. But unfortunately, through the process of writing the
Speaker 1: memoir has been so torturous, like I'll be writing it
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, I'll just decide that
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start gardening into the wilderness, and I'll take
Speaker 1: all of my tools and I'll just start going out
Speaker 1: there and have these grand ideas of how I'm going
Speaker 1: to manicure this huge property here that I won't get
Speaker 1: paid for and no one will ever appreciate, and think
Speaker 1: somebody the landlord paid for anyways, and just these big distractions,
Speaker 1: and then you know, getting to to fight fights with
Speaker 1: my wife because I you know, it's just too much
Speaker 1: and I can't stop talking about it.
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Speaker 1: And so yeah, I've kind of come to a place
Speaker 1: now where I understand that there's a fine line between
Speaker 1: madness and genius and that my art is sort of
Speaker 1: a place for me to play in that court that
Speaker 1: over overboard and making beautiful things. And I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm led to do these things, and that I've kept
Speaker 1: my story secret really for so long because in not
Speaker 1: wanting to be ridiculed and talk about these things that
Speaker 1: sort of just kind of like a sleeper cell. And
Speaker 1: when I talk about UFOs and when I go out
Speaker 1: and do these things, I really feel like I'm being watched,
Speaker 1: and maybe not even by aliens, but also maybe by
Speaker 1: the government. We've had weird drones here on the property.
Speaker 1: I had a drone sit down that was almost eight
Speaker 1: feet tall. I've never seen a drone that big. It
Speaker 1: had big spider legs. I've seen some of the fire
Speaker 1: department drones and stuff, but I still they don't They're
Speaker 1: not as big as the one that came down and
Speaker 1: sat next to me. We've had black helicopters fly really
Speaker 1: low at night. We had a helicopter almost land on
Speaker 1: the house one time. Will try to put the baby
Speaker 1: to sleep, and so I really feel I'm at a
Speaker 1: point where this is not an abduction anymore but an induction,
Speaker 1: and that the abduction thing is really it really is
Speaker 1: being miscon strewed, and that for me, there's there's a
Speaker 1: point where there that I feel like, you know, if
Speaker 1: these UFOs are real, they have to show up, and
Speaker 1: that we all have to become aware of it. And
Speaker 1: so I guess that's that's why I'm doing this, because
Speaker 1: I feel like it's my responsibility to share my art
Speaker 1: and to share all the things I'm doing, because you know,
Speaker 1: that's I spent such a long time being a hermit
Speaker 1: and being afraid of myself, and you know, being afraid
Speaker 1: of ADHD and not wanting to take medication even though
Speaker 1: I'm not on it, but you know, not finding coaching
Speaker 1: or ways to work with it, and everything through this
Speaker 1: experience has made me work on all the things that
Speaker 1: I procrastinated and did not want to do and rather
Speaker 1: just go surfing. As for most of high school, I
Speaker 1: just didn't go to school. But I still kept a
Speaker 1: three point zero average. So I would say that's my story.
Speaker 3: Fascinating stuff.
Speaker 6: James.
Speaker 3: It's been quite a journey you've been on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a it's a personal journey. And yeah, to
Speaker 1: all of a sudden be seen as an artist and
Speaker 1: you know, and everyone appreciating it. I mean, it just
Speaker 1: it's just such a weird feeling. I remember being at
Speaker 1: an art show with my father and he was showing
Speaker 1: his stuff and I was sitting right next to him,
Speaker 1: and a woman came up and said to me, are
Speaker 1: you the artist? And he just got you got so shocked,
Speaker 1: and he was upset. He well, no, I am. But
Speaker 1: you know, I've spent years and years with ceramics, and
Speaker 1: I can throw a pot, you know, just like a
Speaker 1: professional ceramicist. Just the feeling of accomplishment from having something
Speaker 1: like ADHD that where you can't have a feeling of accomplishment.
Speaker 1: Is pretty pretty life shattering for me. You know, it's
Speaker 1: really something I never thought that I would do. And
Speaker 1: when I went to contact in the Desert, I didn't
Speaker 1: even put any price tags on any of my art.
Speaker 1: It was the last afterthought I had a friend show.
Speaker 1: But say, James, there's no price tags on your art
Speaker 1: and crap, I didn't even think about it.
Speaker 3: It's good that you ought your art because that's your anchor.
Speaker 3: You can funnel all this onto paper.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then my surfing is really the only place
Speaker 1: where I can meditate. And you know, I've caught in
Speaker 1: lots of waves with dolphins and and I've spent a
Speaker 1: lot of time with sharks, and I feel like surfing
Speaker 1: is that beautiful compliment to wondering about the UFO mystery,
Speaker 1: because you know, you're sitting on your surfboard, you don't
Speaker 1: know what's underneath you, and you're sort of waiting for
Speaker 1: something that you don't know really when it's going to come,
Speaker 1: and you're out there interacting with you know, these intelligence
Speaker 1: that are from a world that's you know, right next
Speaker 1: to you, but you'd never know it unless you actually
Speaker 1: got out there, you know, and so yeah, I think
Speaker 1: I think it's the surfing ring con such a perfect
Speaker 1: wave and got to live there through high school and
Speaker 1: the art really going out and telling the story and
Speaker 1: trying to get more people to talk about their experiences
Speaker 1: and make art. I think for me that that would
Speaker 1: be the greatest gift is not selling my art, but
Speaker 1: getting more people like myself who've been hidden to come
Speaker 1: out and say, hey, this is what I saw and
Speaker 1: these are my drawings, and you know, take it for
Speaker 1: what it is, but this is my personal journey.
Speaker 3: And this is important to me absolutely because you know,
Speaker 3: you've got some experiences which they write their lives and
Speaker 3: their experiences down on paper and then people will read
Speaker 3: it and then they will connect with it and then
Speaker 3: share about their experiences, you know, with you and your art.
Speaker 3: You know, they will connect with it and you know,
Speaker 3: look back on what has been happening to them over
Speaker 3: the years.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, one of the things about this is
Speaker 1: the stigma, and it's a double whemmy to have the
Speaker 1: ontological shock and then also have to continue to live
Speaker 1: in this earthly realm and sort of know that there's
Speaker 1: like better technology out there and that you know, all
Speaker 1: of the things that we're doing are sort of I mean,
Speaker 1: the only people in society that we put up with
Speaker 1: this kind of shit is babies great, and we have
Speaker 1: to in order for them to learn. And so it
Speaker 1: sort of feels a planet of the babies where we
Speaker 1: could have this you know, human utopia or paradise, but
Speaker 1: we're all like sort of choosing to take an inut
Speaker 1: of an object and worship it. And then and then
Speaker 1: that's where like it gets weird for me, and so
Speaker 1: I have to kind of like smoke a little bit
Speaker 1: of weed, I take a deep breath, kind of realize, Okay,
Speaker 1: I can't change the world by just being irritated with it.
Speaker 1: I need to just work on myself. And that's how
Speaker 1: the change will happen is through silence.
Speaker 3: And you know, we do live in two different worlds.
Speaker 3: You know, We've got lives where you know, we work
Speaker 3: every day, we have relationships, we have families, do our
Speaker 3: best to support them. And then so many people have
Speaker 3: this other side, this strange occurrences that have happened to them.
Speaker 3: Because it is possible to lose it because so many
Speaker 3: of these people have these experiences. Excuse the pun it
Speaker 3: is clearly alien to them bacially if they've have no
Speaker 3: interest in the subject, but for their lives they've had
Speaker 3: these strange occurrences, these strange visitations.
Speaker 1: Well, and it's so strange too to get a group
Speaker 1: of people who've had strange encounters and stuff. And I'm
Speaker 1: just a really competitive person, mostly against myself. I'm very competitive.
Speaker 1: I'm always forcing myself to be competitive against myself, and
Speaker 1: so I'm competitive against other people, but not in a
Speaker 1: way where I make it obvious. I just observe them
Speaker 1: and if there's certain things about them that I like,
Speaker 1: those are the things that I want to get better at,
Speaker 1: you know, so like it. It's not a competitive way
Speaker 1: where it's a it's a bummer or anything, but it's
Speaker 1: just there's this mentality that happens within groups where my
Speaker 1: friend Danny, he's so funny, he was saying at work,
Speaker 1: they had this funny joke where they would I'm a
Speaker 1: bigger something than you are. I'm a bigger something than
Speaker 1: you are, and so we were playing opinion. So I'm
Speaker 1: a bigger experiencer than you are. I'm a better experiencer
Speaker 1: than you are. And I feel like when I go
Speaker 1: to the abduction Anonymous meetings and stuff that with all
Speaker 1: of the encounters that I've had and everything that I'm
Speaker 1: sort of got a home run hitter, right Like I'm
Speaker 1: an called grand slam hitter, and they all everyone kind
Speaker 1: of knows it, and they kind of poke at me
Speaker 1: to finally like come out and and you know, and
Speaker 1: and then I'm sort of in this weird place. God
Speaker 1: is my story and all my intensity cutting down the
Speaker 1: opportunity for other people to talk and and things, and
Speaker 1: so like at Contact in the Desert, I was at
Speaker 1: the Abduction Anonymous meeting and Whitley Schreiber was in there,
Speaker 1: and it was a whole packed group and it started
Speaker 1: out with somebody actually quoting a book, which I thought
Speaker 1: was really interesting. I was like, okay, And then and
Speaker 1: then you know, there were a couple of stories in there,
Speaker 1: but they were all just like people sort of saw
Speaker 1: something and their interpretations of it and then how they
Speaker 1: kind of you know, blended that into their life. And
Speaker 1: then finally I got my opportunity to talk, and I
Speaker 1: really just let loose and told this story and no
Speaker 1: hold bars, and when I got finished, everybody jumped up
Speaker 1: and started applauding me and somebody yelled in the back
Speaker 1: of the room, you just one contact in the desert,
Speaker 1: and I was just like, what now everyone with, you know?
Speaker 1: And I had these people come around me, but Whitley
Speaker 1: Striiber didn't come over and talk to me, and so
Speaker 1: I was like, I was so and that was the
Speaker 1: only person that I wanted to talk to. And I
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, this w finally be opportunity for being like, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm an experiencer, you're an experiencer. And so I was like,
Speaker 1: is there like a competitiveness there, you know? And like
Speaker 1: what the hell is that? Even? About?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 1: That has nothing to do with any of this shit,
Speaker 1: Like that's so blatantly weird. It's interesting. It's almost like
Speaker 1: I'd almost rather go to some of these things and
Speaker 1: not tell my story and just listen to other people
Speaker 1: so that I don't steal the show or whatever, because
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want people to have this thought
Speaker 1: of why haven't aliens come to me? Well, why is
Speaker 1: he so special?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: And well, gosh, you know, they don't come to everybody
Speaker 1: for a reason. Maybe it's because of DNA, maybe it's
Speaker 1: because of consciousness, Maybe it's because they're trying to find
Speaker 1: souls for the soul recycling centers on the Mothership. I
Speaker 1: don't know, but yeah, the ego that gets involved with
Speaker 1: it is really fascinating, and I've I've tried really hard
Speaker 1: to put my ego in check and sort of see
Speaker 1: it when it comes out. And I keep shaving my
Speaker 1: head to try to like just find these moments of
Speaker 1: being very humble and letting go of any kind of ego.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a mixed bag. And unfortunately that you know
Speaker 3: this subject, it does have that, it does have the
Speaker 3: ego side of it, and it's borderline hero worship, you know,
Speaker 3: to a degree. And what we want is for people
Speaker 3: to not recoil about their own experiences, no matter how small,
Speaker 3: because I've always said people are welcome on the show.
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter if they've just in lights in the
Speaker 3: sky or they've been you know, they've been missing for
Speaker 3: five days. It's all important. So we you know, we
Speaker 3: want people to share share their experiences. And yeah, I
Speaker 3: get emails from people who they want to meet aliens.
Speaker 3: You know, they want to have these experiences, but they
Speaker 3: you know, they haven't. But you know, I always say
Speaker 3: at the end of the show, keep watching the skies,
Speaker 3: you know, keep living your life and keep doing what
Speaker 3: you're doing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And my advice is is that, well, if you
Speaker 1: want to see extraterrestrials so bad, then why don't you
Speaker 1: just start working on yourself and find that spiritual evolution
Speaker 1: that puts you out in the wilderness, that puts you
Speaker 1: in a place of either isolation or into a category
Speaker 1: of pre abductee. But like you know, from all the
Speaker 1: research that I've done, you know, it's a lot of
Speaker 1: really strange things going on with each person that has
Speaker 1: this happened to them. You know, a lot of them
Speaker 1: have the family that are in the military. You know,
Speaker 1: that's that's a given where their parents are in the military.
Speaker 1: Green eyes, hazel eyes, Cherokee blood, chalk top blo Scottish bloodlines.
Speaker 1: And Chris has talked to me about that as well.
Speaker 6: And a lot of.
Speaker 1: People, you know, when you say that kind of stuff,
Speaker 1: they go, oh great, here we go to woo woo
Speaker 1: oo land. But I mean, there's got to be something,
Speaker 1: you know, in each piece of DNA is just as
Speaker 1: many numbers in there as there are stars in the galaxy.
Speaker 1: And so for a long time that's what I thought.
Speaker 1: I thought that these things were DNA hunters and that
Speaker 1: that's what they were doing, and they were hybridizing. And
Speaker 1: then if you really want to understand aliens, you really
Speaker 1: need to get a degree in genetics and understand you know,
Speaker 1: the Crispers and you know what's going on today currently
Speaker 1: in genetics. What have we cloned lately? Right, we've already
Speaker 1: cloned humans, if that's possible, And these hybrid stories of
Speaker 1: all these people that are talking, you know, but then
Speaker 1: there's other component of souls and that there's only a
Speaker 1: fine amount of those in the universe and that they're
Speaker 1: sort of here harvesting us. And then that led me
Speaker 1: into an even deeper thought of Okay, well maybe all
Speaker 1: humans are trying to find meaning, but since we're like,
Speaker 1: you know, freaks of nature in a way, and if
Speaker 1: there was anyone that came and played with this laboratory,
Speaker 1: because I mean, people always talk to me and they're like, well,
Speaker 1: if aliens wanted to wipe us out, why wouldn't they
Speaker 1: just do it? And I'm like, those things can fly
Speaker 1: at thirteen thousand miles an hour. You really think that
Speaker 1: this is our planet? There's no way we could even
Speaker 1: defend ourselves. So when you know once people kind of
Speaker 1: take a step back and be like, oh, yeah, that's true,
Speaker 1: and then they probably wouldn't fight us on that level,
Speaker 1: that they would rather integrate and that we could be
Speaker 1: a possibly potential spawn or children of the alien races
Speaker 1: that came and went. You know, it makes me go
Speaker 1: to the story of Angus beef and how there was
Speaker 1: a Scottish guy who was living in the plains and
Speaker 1: it was in the eighteen seventies, I believe, and he
Speaker 1: brought over cows from Scotland and had them breed with
Speaker 1: the native cows that were all skinny, and I think
Speaker 1: it was the eighteen seventy three auction. He brought in
Speaker 1: those cows and they were freaks. Nobody had ever seen
Speaker 1: that much meat on a cow. Ever, And now there's
Speaker 1: twenty five thousand Ingus bee farms, and you look at
Speaker 1: how they do their programs. The best Angus bee farms
Speaker 1: are the ones that do not have a plan for
Speaker 1: their genetics program. They do it different every single time.
Speaker 1: And then you listen to David Jacobs and he saying, well,
Speaker 1: you know, these aliens or whatever, if they're real, the
Speaker 1: mistakes that they're making are the same mistakes that they've
Speaker 1: been making for as long as we've been recording them,
Speaker 1: and they make small mistakes, not big mistakes, so they
Speaker 1: must have practiced and done this somewhere else. So yeah,
Speaker 1: just just sort of like lead you into this really
Speaker 1: impractical place of being an angus cow and wondering why
Speaker 1: you even exist, you know what I mean, And you
Speaker 1: can get really caught up in all those different.
Speaker 3: Layers, one hundred percent, you can. Yeah, I mean, at
Speaker 3: the end of the day, we are just lifeforms grazing
Speaker 3: and living our lives. You've definitely been nippolating. I don't
Speaker 3: think we're that unique to the universe.
Speaker 1: Well, and I don't think that the UFO phenomenon is
Speaker 1: a special thing. I think that it's a natural thing
Speaker 1: that occurs in the universe, and that if you're around
Speaker 1: long enough and you're able to spend enough time, you
Speaker 1: will see one of these things go around and do
Speaker 1: its business and move along. And maybe that's just how
Speaker 1: certain things happen. I mean, we're so far from having
Speaker 1: an understanding of even how the universe started that we
Speaker 1: need a telescope that's you know, out in the orbit
Speaker 1: of Mars and is you know, the size of Pluto
Speaker 1: to be able to really see in great detail all
Speaker 1: the things that we need to see to actually have
Speaker 1: an open eye to the universe. I mean, they're still
Speaker 1: looking at stuff that Hubble's already looked at. And you know,
Speaker 1: we have the eight impossible galaxies or the six impossible
Speaker 1: galaxies that should not exist, that should be primordial galaxies
Speaker 1: that are rough and rugged, that are smooth, and not
Speaker 1: only that, they're bigger than the Milky Way galaxy. There's
Speaker 1: obviously something going on here, and that humanity has such
Speaker 1: a high level of amnesia that how could anybody even
Speaker 1: figure out this enigma on their own? Anyways? You know
Speaker 1: what I mean, you'd have to have so many different
Speaker 1: puzzle pieces, you'd have to have so many different experiences,
Speaker 1: and then you have all that information, what do you
Speaker 1: even do with it? If nobody even cares? And that's
Speaker 1: my thing. It's just like smoke some weed, chill out,
Speaker 1: go serve, be real nice to every person you meet,
Speaker 1: and just do the best you can. Maybe not do drugs,
Speaker 1: but you know, just whatever you need to do to, like,
Speaker 1: you know, find your place and find that happy place.
Speaker 1: Because even if aliens do come down and try to
Speaker 1: help us and instill all of those things. None of
Speaker 1: it's gonna work if nobody cares.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's a slow process. You know, the
Speaker 3: more people come out and talk about it, you know,
Speaker 3: the less ridicule that be less skepticism. You know, it'd
Speaker 3: be something which we could understand. And if more people
Speaker 3: are on board, and it is people that are slowly,
Speaker 3: slowly turning, you know, more people that talking about these days,
Speaker 3: wanting to look into it and understand that there is
Speaker 3: there is something bigger out there than us. Wonderful stuff, James,
Speaker 3: Now to our listeners. James has referred to his artwork
Speaker 3: quite a lot during this recording. He has done several
Speaker 3: drawings of his experiences. I will make all the links
Speaker 3: available to James, and I do believe as of today
Speaker 3: he does have a website available. Can you give us
Speaker 3: the web address please, James?
Speaker 1: Yes, I actually did it right before this podcast because
Speaker 1: it's been such an endeavor and a challenge for me.
Speaker 1: It's ufosurfer dot.
Speaker 3: Art wonderful stuff. I will naturally put the links below
Speaker 3: so people can go follow you, you know, and look
Speaker 3: at your art. I'd also make it available on what
Speaker 3: UFO chronicles website and on x as well, because that's
Speaker 3: pretty much where I frequent these days when it comes
Speaker 3: to social media. Great stuff, James, You're a natural.
Speaker 1: Oh, I really appreciate this, you know. It's it's weird,
Speaker 1: like when the if the UFO stuff does come out
Speaker 1: and disclosure and all of this, it's almost sort of
Speaker 1: sad for me in a way. It's people are going
Speaker 1: to find out about this beautiful like secret or this
Speaker 1: amazing whale or something that I knew about in this
Speaker 1: code that I was visiting this whole time, and and
Speaker 1: and so there's this weird, weird disparity between wanting everyone
Speaker 1: to have that conversation at dinner parties and then also
Speaker 1: just enjoying that intimate connection that I have. And so yeah,
Speaker 1: I just I really appreciate this, and I love what
Speaker 1: you do. And I am that guy that's out there
Speaker 1: that had all this stuff happen to them, that just
Speaker 1: kept it to themselves for such a long time that
Speaker 1: to do a podcast like this and to have my
Speaker 1: art out there like this, this is this is a miracle.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: I think when it does come out, I don't think
Speaker 3: that would ever be taken away from you because it's
Speaker 3: something obviously which should be shared with everyone. And I
Speaker 3: think a lot of those feelings that you have is
Speaker 3: something which goes back to childhood, is believing in there's
Speaker 3: always there's something out there that magical us, something unexplained
Speaker 3: and mysterious, and I think we always we always want that,
Speaker 3: you know, we always like that from our childhood, there's wondering,
Speaker 3: amazement out there. Ever did come out, you will still
Speaker 3: have that way out in that cod I agree.
Speaker 1: And it's kind of like a lifetime of just not
Speaker 1: having a lot of friends and you know, people who
Speaker 1: have this severity of ADHD, you know, it's just really
Speaker 1: hard to have friends and you know, we're calling you
Speaker 1: up at seven o'clock in the morning and sending you
Speaker 1: a text at three o'clock and just really have a
Speaker 1: hard time keeping the excitement down. And so it's just
Speaker 1: about belonging. I've always just wanted to belong to something.
Speaker 1: It was surfing and that that helped me to get
Speaker 1: through my mom's second divorce. But this belonging to the
Speaker 1: UFO community has been really fascinating too. I mean there's
Speaker 1: just some seriously g and nice, like incredibly nice, sweet
Speaker 1: people involved with this that blow me away that I've
Speaker 1: had these surfing friends for twenty years and I've only
Speaker 1: known a couple of people in the UFO community, but
Speaker 1: they're already out doing all of these other friends that
Speaker 1: I had by just being there. Yeah, just I just
Speaker 1: want to belong to something, and that's what the sharing
Speaker 1: is about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know what you're saying, and you know you're
Speaker 3: not alone because obviously I've done hundreds of guests over
Speaker 3: the years. I'm still in contact with a lot of
Speaker 3: the guests, and i still get daily messages from people, videos, images,
Speaker 3: people which are having feelings, emotions, and it's not always
Speaker 3: about the paranormal or UFO. Sometimes it's the family life.
Speaker 3: They sometimes feel a disconnect from their partner or this
Speaker 3: does something going on life, so they just like to talk.
Speaker 3: So I know what you're saying, and you're not anyone
Speaker 3: out there. You're not the only one he feels that way,
Speaker 3: And yeah, of course Adhd is a bit of a
Speaker 3: fawn in the side sometimes, but yeah, you're not alone,
Speaker 3: and I think you do belong I completely understand and
Speaker 3: what you're saying. So what's next for James, what's in
Speaker 3: the future.
Speaker 1: I'm just focusing on trying to make as much alien
Speaker 1: UFO art as possible and trying to get into some galleries.
Speaker 1: I'm working on my memoir. I'm working with an editor
Speaker 1: that will be really helpful and cover artist as well.
Speaker 1: Since I've been waited on this story for such a
Speaker 1: long time, i wanted to spend some money and actually
Speaker 1: do it right instead of just self publishing it and
Speaker 1: throwing it out there. And so I'm taking the time
Speaker 1: and doing that. Yeah, I'm also just for fun recreation wise,
Speaker 1: I'm part of the Whope Brands Surf Club, which is
Speaker 1: one of the biggest surf clubs in California. I like
Speaker 1: to do competitions and so I would like to start
Speaker 1: doing more longboard competitions and see if I could get
Speaker 1: into the Olympics in twenty twenty eight. But that seems outrageous,
Speaker 1: especially considering how insanely the competitors are and I'm nowhere
Speaker 1: near as good as them. So just you know, some
Speaker 1: goals stuff like that.
Speaker 3: If I wish you the best, James, I really appreciate
Speaker 3: you coming on sharing it all for our listeners.
Speaker 1: Oh well, thank you so much. I really appreciate you
Speaker 1: and everything that you do. And yeah, I love your
Speaker 1: logo and just it's really cool, just your philosophy behind
Speaker 1: finding people like myself that are sort of just sitting
Speaker 1: around sort of holding in all of these experiences, and
Speaker 1: how cathartic it is to actually talk and have somebody listen.
Speaker 3: Now, you're more than welcome. Take care of yourself, James. Okay,
Speaker 3: keep in contact and we will speak soon.
Speaker 1: All right, thank you very much.
Speaker 3: Okay, take care brother you too. That's all for this episode.
Speaker 3: Keep updated and connect with the show on x Facebook
Speaker 3: and Instagram. And if you have an encounter that you'd
Speaker 3: like to share on the podcast, you can email me
Speaker 3: at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com, or you can
Speaker 3: reach out to me via the contact page on my
Speaker 3: website ufo Chronicles podcast dot com. A big fanger to
Speaker 3: James for sharing tonight, and thank you all for listening.
Speaker 3: I will be back next week. Till then, stay safe
Speaker 3: and keep watching the skies. Goodbye,