WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:02.680 You'll be away five seventeen. Do you want to report 2 00:00:02.680 --> 00:00:08.039 a UFO hanging in? We don't want to report every 3 00:00:08.080 --> 00:00:09.480 thirty one. Do you wish to report a. 4 00:00:09.519 --> 00:00:12.960 UFO over hey, we want to one of those. 5 00:00:12.880 --> 00:00:15.439 Data areas thirty one. 6 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:17.160 Do you wish to find a report of any kind 7 00:00:17.160 --> 00:00:17.320 of it? 8 00:00:18.879 --> 00:00:21.039 I wouldn't know what kind of reports clouds. 9 00:00:20.800 --> 00:00:27.199 Time areas thirty one me neither there. See if it 10 00:00:27.280 --> 00:00:30.920 was actually uh above us to pass us, like thirty 11 00:00:30.920 --> 00:00:32.280 seconds ago, we. 12 00:00:32.280 --> 00:00:33.560 Were sending one of golf negative. 13 00:00:34.000 --> 00:00:39.719 Okay, OFFI the UFO. Yeah, it's murder two nine o'clock. 14 00:00:39.799 --> 00:00:42.640 Yes, I'll passed over, I go. 15 00:00:43.200 --> 00:00:45.119 I don't know what it was, but it's from at 16 00:00:45.200 --> 00:00:47.079 least to three thousand feet above us. 17 00:00:47.079 --> 00:00:48.359 See, I passed right over the top of. 18 00:00:48.439 --> 00:00:51.679 Us ninety one one. 19 00:00:52.039 --> 00:00:55.479 Guy, you just called both to be be four rest 20 00:00:56.600 --> 00:00:57.320 they're after. 21 00:00:57.759 --> 00:00:59.159 Staying the airplanes. 22 00:01:00.159 --> 00:01:07.159 Here to God on an unidentified object, every liberty or 23 00:01:07.319 --> 00:01:10.200 call or calm on an unidentified flying object. 24 00:01:15.959 --> 00:01:19.280 Welcome to UFO Chronicles, a place where people share their 25 00:01:19.319 --> 00:01:24.959 experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had an encounter, 26 00:01:25.319 --> 00:01:27.560 I would like to be on the show. You can 27 00:01:27.680 --> 00:01:32.519 email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com. 28 00:01:47.920 --> 00:01:50.560 Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. 29 00:01:50.799 --> 00:01:52.079 How are you all doing. 30 00:01:52.519 --> 00:01:55.640 I'm Nick Hunter and this is the UFO Chronicles podcast. 31 00:01:56.319 --> 00:01:59.920 This episode, we meet James Pike, a relaxed seven calor 32 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:04.000 Fournia surfer who experienced a life altering event on the 33 00:02:04.120 --> 00:02:08.280 night of July fifteenth, two thousand and six. While driving 34 00:02:08.319 --> 00:02:13.319 from Santa Biabra to Portland, Oregon, he encountered something extraordinary 35 00:02:13.680 --> 00:02:16.479 and as he navigated the highway at sixty five miles 36 00:02:16.520 --> 00:02:19.960 per hour, an object appeared, capturing his full attention. He 37 00:02:20.080 --> 00:02:23.439 found himself a lot in a surreal event at what 38 00:02:23.560 --> 00:02:28.319 he believed to be an unidentified flying object. James is 39 00:02:28.479 --> 00:02:31.319 up next, but first, if you enjoy the show and 40 00:02:31.439 --> 00:02:34.439 you'd like to help support the podcast on Patreon, you 41 00:02:34.520 --> 00:02:37.000 can do this for as little as one dollar a month. 42 00:02:37.120 --> 00:02:40.800 Head on over to patreon dot com forward slash UFO 43 00:02:40.919 --> 00:02:43.560 Chronicles podcast. You can also find a link in the 44 00:02:43.639 --> 00:02:47.280 description of this episode. Any help is very much appreciated. 45 00:02:47.639 --> 00:02:48.879 Now on with the show. 46 00:03:03.199 --> 00:03:08.240 Hello James, Welcome to the podcast. Hello, it's great to 47 00:03:08.360 --> 00:03:11.159 have you join us today, and you're calling from the 48 00:03:11.319 --> 00:03:12.599 state of California. 49 00:03:13.080 --> 00:03:16.199 Yeah, I'm here in Galda, California, that. 50 00:03:17.159 --> 00:03:19.159 Is close to Santa Barbara. 51 00:03:19.599 --> 00:03:20.840 Right next to Santa Barbara. 52 00:03:21.159 --> 00:03:26.039 My great aunt actually lived there. She married a gi 53 00:03:26.960 --> 00:03:30.120 just after the war, and yeah, that's where she lived. 54 00:03:30.639 --> 00:03:32.759 Oh wow, Yeah, it's a beautiful place. 55 00:03:32.960 --> 00:03:33.520 Great stuff. 56 00:03:33.520 --> 00:03:36.319 Okay, now, James, you have some experiences you're going to 57 00:03:36.360 --> 00:03:38.520 be sharing with us. Would you like to start at 58 00:03:38.520 --> 00:03:39.439 the beginning, please, sir? 59 00:03:39.759 --> 00:03:43.639 Sure. I would say that everything for me started in 60 00:03:45.120 --> 00:03:48.960 two thousand and six when I decided to move up 61 00:03:49.080 --> 00:03:55.280 to Portland, Oregon from Santa Barbara. At the time, I 62 00:03:55.479 --> 00:03:59.639 was dating a girl that was from Alaska, and we 63 00:04:00.080 --> 00:04:03.719 had fallen in love and had spent eight months talking 64 00:04:03.840 --> 00:04:06.639 on the phone with each other, and she even did 65 00:04:06.680 --> 00:04:09.719 her last year of high school so that we could 66 00:04:09.759 --> 00:04:14.080 be together. And she was such an amazing artist that 67 00:04:14.960 --> 00:04:19.959 we or she got a scholarship to a major art 68 00:04:20.240 --> 00:04:23.480 college in Portland, and so instead of breaking up, I 69 00:04:23.600 --> 00:04:25.399 decided that I wanted to go with her. 70 00:04:26.199 --> 00:04:26.720 And so. 71 00:04:28.279 --> 00:04:32.519 I was telling my stepfather on the phone about how 72 00:04:32.600 --> 00:04:35.920 I'd used his credit card to rent a U haul 73 00:04:36.519 --> 00:04:41.000 and I was going to drive through the night with 74 00:04:41.199 --> 00:04:44.680 the girl from Alaska, because when I was down in 75 00:04:44.879 --> 00:04:48.240 La one time my car was going to break down 76 00:04:48.439 --> 00:04:50.920 and I had to turn on the heater and she 77 00:04:51.199 --> 00:04:54.079 just had to strip off all of her clothes down 78 00:04:54.160 --> 00:04:57.040 to her bear underwear and sit in the backseat. And 79 00:04:57.199 --> 00:05:00.879 so for some reason that experience of her not being 80 00:05:00.920 --> 00:05:04.360 able to handle the heat, I told my stepfather that 81 00:05:04.519 --> 00:05:06.680 I was going to drive through the night, and he 82 00:05:07.160 --> 00:05:11.680 said most industrial accidents happened between two and three o'clock 83 00:05:11.720 --> 00:05:15.160 in the morning, and that's not actually true, but it 84 00:05:15.240 --> 00:05:17.720 doesn't matter. That's what he said, kind of in his 85 00:05:17.879 --> 00:05:20.759 New York accent. He's like a tax attorney and a 86 00:05:20.879 --> 00:05:23.560 lawyer and a master modelship guy, so he's a very 87 00:05:23.680 --> 00:05:27.480 detail oriented guy. And when he said that, right when 88 00:05:27.560 --> 00:05:32.160 he said three o'clock, I think I was in Montecito, California, 89 00:05:32.639 --> 00:05:34.680 at my home at the time on my cell phone. 90 00:05:34.839 --> 00:05:37.519 I was standing up with the phone up to my ear. 91 00:05:38.519 --> 00:05:43.120 I just spontaneously ended up in the U haul that 92 00:05:43.199 --> 00:05:46.480 I was about to rent at night, with my hands 93 00:05:46.560 --> 00:05:49.160 on the steering wheel, and I kind of had this 94 00:05:49.399 --> 00:05:53.199 view from above my head looking out, and I was 95 00:05:53.319 --> 00:05:57.839 on a lonely part of the five that I was 96 00:05:57.920 --> 00:06:01.680 going to drive up Interstate five. I saw these headlights 97 00:06:01.800 --> 00:06:05.120 coming at me, or at least I interpreted it as headlights, 98 00:06:05.519 --> 00:06:09.240 two lights that were white, but they were like right 99 00:06:09.360 --> 00:06:13.120 on my bumper of the car, and so I sort 100 00:06:13.160 --> 00:06:16.720 of interpreted that as I was going to die. And 101 00:06:16.839 --> 00:06:18.759 then right as the lights were going to hit me, 102 00:06:19.800 --> 00:06:23.519 I came back on the phone with Richard, and Richard 103 00:06:23.680 --> 00:06:26.839 was basically wondering what had happened. I'm not sure how 104 00:06:26.920 --> 00:06:30.600 much time had elapsed, maybe like forty seconds or something 105 00:06:30.759 --> 00:06:36.079 like that. He was saying hello, Hello, and I looked 106 00:06:36.160 --> 00:06:39.279 down at my arm, and I would never forget it. 107 00:06:39.600 --> 00:06:43.240 There were these goose bumps that were just huge, and 108 00:06:43.360 --> 00:06:46.399 it looked like moguls on a ski slope, and all 109 00:06:46.439 --> 00:06:49.879 of the air on my arm was standing straight up, 110 00:06:50.759 --> 00:06:53.439 and I just I couldn't stop looking at it. I 111 00:06:53.600 --> 00:06:56.800 was just baffled when my whole body kind of felt 112 00:06:57.360 --> 00:07:01.920 this like not so much like electric, but it just 113 00:07:02.079 --> 00:07:05.079 ended up that way. I don't know, And so I've 114 00:07:05.160 --> 00:07:09.120 never had anything like that happen where I've just spontaneously 115 00:07:11.040 --> 00:07:14.920 ended up somewhere and came back like an awaking dream. 116 00:07:14.959 --> 00:07:19.279 But it was some kind of spontaneous psychic flash. And 117 00:07:20.319 --> 00:07:22.720 I've always had a fear of dying, and so I 118 00:07:22.800 --> 00:07:25.240 sort of felt like it was my ninth life as 119 00:07:25.279 --> 00:07:28.240 a cat coming it was the last one because it 120 00:07:28.279 --> 00:07:31.079 was dragging through the night's pretty dangerous. I got really 121 00:07:31.199 --> 00:07:34.399 paranoid about it. I called the girl up from Alaska 122 00:07:35.160 --> 00:07:38.319 and said, hey, you know, this vision happened and I'm 123 00:07:38.360 --> 00:07:41.680 really scared and it was interesting. She said, well, I 124 00:07:41.720 --> 00:07:43.879 think we should just go anyways and see what happens. 125 00:07:44.399 --> 00:07:47.160 So that was a lot more anxiety on top of it. 126 00:07:48.160 --> 00:07:51.120 And at the place that I was living at, it 127 00:07:51.240 --> 00:07:54.920 was actually, for lack of a better word, haunted. It 128 00:07:55.120 --> 00:07:59.639 was in Montecito off of Chelham Way, and it was 129 00:07:59.720 --> 00:08:02.399 tuck next to a creek, and my mom had actually 130 00:08:02.519 --> 00:08:05.399 left it six months before and just paid the rent 131 00:08:05.480 --> 00:08:08.399 so I could live there. After half of a girl 132 00:08:08.560 --> 00:08:12.120 walked past her and gave her a snooty look. I 133 00:08:12.240 --> 00:08:13.959 woke up in the morning, my mom was just gone. 134 00:08:14.480 --> 00:08:18.120 She never came back. And I lived in that house 135 00:08:18.160 --> 00:08:20.199 where the light switches would go on and off and 136 00:08:20.279 --> 00:08:22.240 there was this cold breeze that would come down the 137 00:08:22.279 --> 00:08:24.879 way and all kind of culminated it. These chimes that 138 00:08:25.000 --> 00:08:27.199 I have that I still have to this day, and 139 00:08:27.319 --> 00:08:30.639 I put them on the top of the commode. At 140 00:08:30.839 --> 00:08:33.440 three o'clock in the morning or so, in the middle 141 00:08:33.480 --> 00:08:35.960 of the night, I went to use the bathroom, and 142 00:08:36.080 --> 00:08:38.840 when I walked out, I heard these footsteps and then 143 00:08:39.080 --> 00:08:41.600 the chimes got hit, and then I turned the lights on, 144 00:08:42.000 --> 00:08:44.639 and they were moving and there was nothing that could 145 00:08:44.679 --> 00:08:47.720 fall or hit it. And so has anybody that's lived 146 00:08:47.799 --> 00:08:49.879 in a place where there's all kinds of weird stuff 147 00:08:49.960 --> 00:08:51.720 that you can't explain, you just don't want it to 148 00:08:51.799 --> 00:08:55.159 happen again. So I took it the chimes and wrapped 149 00:08:55.159 --> 00:08:56.879 it in a bed sheet and put it under a 150 00:08:56.960 --> 00:09:00.639 pillow cushion and then went back to bed. And so 151 00:09:01.360 --> 00:09:04.200 she was aware of that as well. And the one 152 00:09:04.320 --> 00:09:07.320 room that my mom had seen the ghost in or 153 00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:09.720 whatever had these giant mirrors everywhere, like it was some 154 00:09:09.879 --> 00:09:13.279 kind of weird ballet studio, but in a tiny studio apartment. 155 00:09:13.960 --> 00:09:17.000 So there was that kind of weird vibe going on too, 156 00:09:17.559 --> 00:09:19.600 and so I was kind of happy to leave that place. 157 00:09:20.240 --> 00:09:23.279 And so when she finally showed up, nothing was packed. 158 00:09:23.919 --> 00:09:29.000 And I just had been paralyzed by just being overwhelmed 159 00:09:29.039 --> 00:09:31.919 with my ADHD and all of the weird ghost stuff 160 00:09:31.960 --> 00:09:34.799 at night and my mom was having to call me 161 00:09:34.960 --> 00:09:37.919 up and ask me why the power bell was so expensive, 162 00:09:38.000 --> 00:09:39.879 because the only way I could sleep was to keep 163 00:09:39.919 --> 00:09:42.919 all the lights on at night. And so we left 164 00:09:43.080 --> 00:09:47.480 on July fifteenth of two thousand and six and decided 165 00:09:47.639 --> 00:09:50.759 that I was going to leave around seven thirty pm. 166 00:09:51.360 --> 00:09:54.559 I took a nice power nap before that around noon 167 00:09:55.399 --> 00:09:59.399 after seeing some friends, and then woke up. I got 168 00:09:59.440 --> 00:10:01.720 in the U hall. I remember it was exactly seven 169 00:10:01.720 --> 00:10:06.000 point thirty. We were pulling my Honda Accord nineteen eighty 170 00:10:06.080 --> 00:10:10.080 seven that my grandmother had gotten from an old lady 171 00:10:10.159 --> 00:10:13.120 in Pacific Grove who I don't think ever drove it 172 00:10:13.240 --> 00:10:17.639 since nineteen eighty seven and was just cherry. So that 173 00:10:17.840 --> 00:10:20.759 was going to be our ride up there. And we 174 00:10:20.879 --> 00:10:24.840 got on the road and everything seemed okay, you know, 175 00:10:25.080 --> 00:10:27.360 and all of a sudden, we got to the grape 176 00:10:27.399 --> 00:10:31.440 Vine and we started heading down and I didn't know 177 00:10:31.519 --> 00:10:34.279 what I was doing. It was twenty one and I 178 00:10:34.360 --> 00:10:37.440 had never driven with the trailer behind me. And the 179 00:10:37.559 --> 00:10:40.720 next thing I know, we're flying down this last little 180 00:10:40.759 --> 00:10:44.879 strip before it goes straight forever. And it was just 181 00:10:45.039 --> 00:10:48.600 forty five minutes of how I mean, I just didn't 182 00:10:48.600 --> 00:10:49.639 know what I was doing. I should have put it 183 00:10:49.639 --> 00:10:52.720 in a lower gear, but instead I just smoked the brakes, 184 00:10:53.399 --> 00:10:57.159 and the rear view mirror was sort of this horrific 185 00:10:57.279 --> 00:10:59.399 thing I kept looking at because every time I looked 186 00:10:59.480 --> 00:11:02.519 back and see the little Honda whipping back and forth 187 00:11:02.600 --> 00:11:05.919 about the jackknife. And then the girl that I was 188 00:11:06.039 --> 00:11:09.000 with will Color Alaska, for lack of a better word, 189 00:11:10.360 --> 00:11:13.919 she was like, what's going on, Like it's fine, and 190 00:11:14.240 --> 00:11:17.240 it wasn't fine. And we finally got down to the 191 00:11:17.279 --> 00:11:19.360 bottom of the hill and there was like a stack 192 00:11:19.440 --> 00:11:22.720 of semis behind us, and I thought we were going 193 00:11:22.799 --> 00:11:26.080 to make the news. And even just thinking about it 194 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:28.440 right now, it gives me a lot of anxiety. I 195 00:11:28.600 --> 00:11:31.080 was just so happy to get to the bottom of 196 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:33.600 that hill. At the gas station, I was just shaking, 197 00:11:34.000 --> 00:11:36.519 and I thought, well, maybe that was it, you know, 198 00:11:36.799 --> 00:11:40.399 the vision that I had, and it was somehow correlated 199 00:11:40.480 --> 00:11:44.200 to this experience. And then I thought, you know, as 200 00:11:44.279 --> 00:11:46.399 I was getting gased, what's going to happen at three 201 00:11:46.440 --> 00:11:49.320 o'clock in the morning. Great, And I kind of was 202 00:11:49.440 --> 00:11:52.559 like thinking about this open road, and I knew that 203 00:11:52.679 --> 00:11:55.240 I didn't really have a destination of where I was 204 00:11:55.279 --> 00:11:57.159 going to end. I was just going to see how 205 00:11:57.279 --> 00:12:00.279 far I could go and just pass out some where. 206 00:12:00.720 --> 00:12:03.639 So I got a bunch of coffee and all of 207 00:12:03.720 --> 00:12:06.519 these things to stay constantly awake. I don't even think 208 00:12:06.559 --> 00:12:09.639 I drank any water whatsoever. I was just drinking coffee 209 00:12:09.720 --> 00:12:16.200 after coffee, and about three o'clock in the morning, nothing happened. 210 00:12:16.240 --> 00:12:20.279 And at that point Alaska was asleep and passed out, 211 00:12:21.039 --> 00:12:24.480 and there was nobody on the road. We were just 212 00:12:24.639 --> 00:12:30.320 south of crows Landing, and I decided that I would 213 00:12:30.360 --> 00:12:34.080 play with the radio. In around three zero eight, I 214 00:12:34.240 --> 00:12:38.720 saw three lights, just evenly distributed white lights, and at 215 00:12:38.759 --> 00:12:41.279 first they thought it was a radar tower. But I 216 00:12:41.480 --> 00:12:44.080 actually had my eyes focused on that part of the 217 00:12:44.120 --> 00:12:48.159 sky for some reason and watched it just come out 218 00:12:48.200 --> 00:12:52.559 of thin air. And so as the lights came out 219 00:12:52.720 --> 00:12:56.279 vertically about less than one hundred feet from the ground, 220 00:12:57.320 --> 00:13:01.519 I noticed that they flipped instantly only and then started 221 00:13:01.559 --> 00:13:04.600 to descend to the left side of the U haul. 222 00:13:05.559 --> 00:13:09.200 There was a full moon about like a week ago 223 00:13:09.639 --> 00:13:13.840 before that, so there was pretty good luminosity, so but I, 224 00:13:14.080 --> 00:13:15.759 for some reason I just couldn't see it. All I 225 00:13:15.759 --> 00:13:17.440 could see were the lights and so I was kind 226 00:13:17.440 --> 00:13:20.279 of irritated. I was looking at it, going, all right, 227 00:13:20.360 --> 00:13:23.360 what is it? Is it a helicopter? You know, they 228 00:13:23.720 --> 00:13:25.759 do all kinds of crop dusting in the middle of 229 00:13:25.840 --> 00:13:28.600 the night. I've done a lot of night driving, so 230 00:13:28.879 --> 00:13:33.919 I've seen that in agricultural areas, and so then I'm thinking, well, 231 00:13:34.639 --> 00:13:37.279 what's going on. It's going too slow, it would just 232 00:13:37.360 --> 00:13:40.000 fall out of the sky, and it's not making any noise, 233 00:13:40.559 --> 00:13:43.440 and I'm sort of getting to this point where i 234 00:13:43.960 --> 00:13:47.120 just want to know what it is. I'm so confused 235 00:13:47.360 --> 00:13:49.399 and I'm like almost kind of mad. 236 00:13:49.679 --> 00:13:50.720 Like what is it. 237 00:13:51.440 --> 00:13:54.879 I then watched it go over to a field and 238 00:13:55.000 --> 00:13:59.240 it was a horseshoe shaped kind of boomerang, but more 239 00:13:59.279 --> 00:14:02.440 of a horseshoe, and it had a little bubble in 240 00:14:02.480 --> 00:14:05.559 the middle and the three lights in the front of 241 00:14:05.600 --> 00:14:08.639 it combined to one spot, and it was looking at 242 00:14:08.679 --> 00:14:13.720 the dirt. It was just sort of a silver, gray metal, 243 00:14:14.519 --> 00:14:18.000 a little bit metallic looking, but it was probably about 244 00:14:19.320 --> 00:14:22.440 less than a thousand yards away or so in the field. 245 00:14:22.639 --> 00:14:26.240 As I was driving, I just had this amazing view 246 00:14:26.559 --> 00:14:29.399 because it came down and came out of the sky 247 00:14:30.399 --> 00:14:32.759 and sort of placed itself over there to the left, 248 00:14:33.120 --> 00:14:35.639 at about you know, a thousand yards away, and so 249 00:14:35.799 --> 00:14:38.840 I was sort of vectoring with it. I was coming 250 00:14:38.960 --> 00:14:41.840 up into it and getting this amazing perspective, and I 251 00:14:41.960 --> 00:14:46.799 was looking right across at it, and finally I'm getting 252 00:14:46.840 --> 00:14:49.200 a great look at it, and the lights they combined 253 00:14:49.240 --> 00:14:51.799 into one spot, and I can see that it's a 254 00:14:51.919 --> 00:14:55.960 torn up field. And my next kind of adhd thought was, 255 00:14:56.120 --> 00:14:58.759 is you just came from all that way and you're 256 00:14:58.960 --> 00:15:00.720 not even gonna come over and say hi to me. 257 00:15:00.840 --> 00:15:04.799 You're more interested in dirt, which led to an obsession 258 00:15:04.879 --> 00:15:08.200 with dirt later on, wanting to know what the hell 259 00:15:08.840 --> 00:15:13.039 why it was so interested in that. But another thought was, 260 00:15:13.759 --> 00:15:16.360 this is sort of like the Holy Trinity. It is 261 00:15:16.600 --> 00:15:21.240 like Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit all in one spot, 262 00:15:21.360 --> 00:15:23.720 but they're in three different places in the universe. And 263 00:15:23.799 --> 00:15:26.759 I been going to church a lot, and so it's 264 00:15:26.840 --> 00:15:30.720 kind of kind of coming out of dating God and 265 00:15:31.279 --> 00:15:35.799 kind of becoming my own and finding truth on my own. 266 00:15:36.000 --> 00:15:38.399 But I had that image because I had never understood 267 00:15:38.440 --> 00:15:40.559 the tradedy or made sense, so that that was another 268 00:15:40.759 --> 00:15:43.679 awkward moment, and then all of a sudden it kind 269 00:15:43.720 --> 00:15:47.320 of hit me like a stack of bricks. Like all 270 00:15:47.360 --> 00:15:49.720 of a sudden, I kind of came out of the 271 00:15:49.840 --> 00:15:52.879 experience and kind of saw it and was like, oh 272 00:15:52.960 --> 00:15:55.200 my god, that's a real UFO. I got I got 273 00:15:55.279 --> 00:15:58.600 really excited. All of a sudden, it turned into kind 274 00:15:58.639 --> 00:16:01.600 of like the sensation, and I think thought, oh my gosh, 275 00:16:01.679 --> 00:16:05.399 I've got it to Alaska, and so I damn. I 276 00:16:05.519 --> 00:16:08.279 hit her right across the chest, just out of elation, 277 00:16:08.799 --> 00:16:11.279 and I said, take a look at that shit. And 278 00:16:11.639 --> 00:16:15.039 you know, not my most poetic moment, but that's just 279 00:16:15.159 --> 00:16:17.600 what I said to keep it just authentic. 280 00:16:17.720 --> 00:16:18.000 And I. 281 00:16:19.600 --> 00:16:22.559 Scared her right. And but when I said it, it 282 00:16:22.720 --> 00:16:27.360 was also like the UFO was Alaska, because it was 283 00:16:27.440 --> 00:16:31.200 the same reaction. It came right over like instantly, like 284 00:16:31.320 --> 00:16:36.240 it heard me, which blew my mind. And then the 285 00:16:36.320 --> 00:16:38.480 amount of time that it took to come over and 286 00:16:38.600 --> 00:16:44.879 cover a thousand yards was instantaneous, and I didn't realize 287 00:16:44.919 --> 00:16:46.720 that was going to happen. I sort of thought that 288 00:16:46.840 --> 00:16:49.399 I was removed from this experience. It's sort of thought 289 00:16:49.480 --> 00:16:52.240 as like, you know, somebody who serves a lot and 290 00:16:52.320 --> 00:16:53.799 have spent a lot of time in mother nature. I 291 00:16:53.919 --> 00:16:56.240 was sort of observing this thing and now here it 292 00:16:56.399 --> 00:16:59.519 heard me, and it was coming over like I threw 293 00:16:59.600 --> 00:17:02.759 a rock in a pond or something, and it came 294 00:17:02.879 --> 00:17:06.200 over and it made no noise whatsoever, and came right 295 00:17:06.279 --> 00:17:09.200 over at the left side of the door and was 296 00:17:09.279 --> 00:17:14.160 hovering about, I don't know, maybe three or six feet 297 00:17:14.200 --> 00:17:18.559 above the ground. It came really close to the driver's 298 00:17:18.599 --> 00:17:22.279 side door. I mean, if I was to every time 299 00:17:22.359 --> 00:17:24.359 I think about it, I feel like it hit me. 300 00:17:25.000 --> 00:17:28.839 It came within like three feet five feet and then 301 00:17:29.000 --> 00:17:33.240 sort of all of a sudden juxtaposed itself and then 302 00:17:33.359 --> 00:17:37.079 all of a sudden was flying backwards in front of 303 00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:42.680 me at maybe about twenty feet or so. And at 304 00:17:42.759 --> 00:17:46.519 that point I wasn't going to stop. I was definitely 305 00:17:46.559 --> 00:17:50.480 going to keep going. It wasn't making any noise, and 306 00:17:50.759 --> 00:17:53.400 it was wobbling like it was sort of out of control. 307 00:17:54.079 --> 00:17:58.559 At four at nine o'clock, kind of osciolating, almost as 308 00:17:58.640 --> 00:18:01.319 though it looked like whoever was lying it didn't have 309 00:18:01.519 --> 00:18:05.920 control of it. And then the other really striking thing 310 00:18:06.119 --> 00:18:10.319 was is it had this fog around it that I 311 00:18:10.559 --> 00:18:14.319 just immediately became obsessed with. It was sort of like 312 00:18:14.480 --> 00:18:17.720 it it was just presented there and I was just 313 00:18:17.920 --> 00:18:23.920 thinking about being a boy scout and observation and really 314 00:18:24.119 --> 00:18:26.240 going into Okay, I got to look at all the 315 00:18:26.319 --> 00:18:28.559 different parts of this thing, like what is it? And 316 00:18:28.799 --> 00:18:31.119 I could see that they were stars that were perfectly 317 00:18:31.240 --> 00:18:34.079 clear outside of it, but then really close to it, 318 00:18:35.079 --> 00:18:39.000 they were fuzzy, like the TV fuzz on a screen 319 00:18:39.319 --> 00:18:43.519 where it's just static, and I just it just blew 320 00:18:43.640 --> 00:18:46.279 my mind. It was like a giant firefly and it 321 00:18:46.440 --> 00:18:49.720 was beautiful. It was created a halo and it was 322 00:18:49.799 --> 00:18:53.960 that kind of like golden color as well, and I 323 00:18:54.160 --> 00:18:56.720 just I looked at the whole thing, I mean, all 324 00:18:56.799 --> 00:18:59.240 four parts of it, and it was all congruent. There 325 00:18:59.279 --> 00:19:02.039 were stars you could and stars you couldn't see. And 326 00:19:02.200 --> 00:19:05.039 at that point I was looking at the wing as well, 327 00:19:05.119 --> 00:19:08.079 and it was like just the thinnest wing I've ever 328 00:19:08.240 --> 00:19:11.000 seen on an aircraft. I mean it was less than 329 00:19:11.200 --> 00:19:13.759 a quarter of an inch, maybe even half of that. 330 00:19:14.440 --> 00:19:17.319 And then the bubble itself had like the contours of 331 00:19:17.480 --> 00:19:20.559 like a Porsche or a batmanbile name. It was very 332 00:19:20.720 --> 00:19:26.039 very streamlined, very very simple, very clean. I mean I 333 00:19:26.160 --> 00:19:28.559 wanted to fly this thing and looked amazing, but the 334 00:19:28.640 --> 00:19:32.720 bubble itself was so small that I was trying to 335 00:19:32.839 --> 00:19:36.559 debate if there was actually something inside of it alive 336 00:19:36.680 --> 00:19:40.640 or not because it's such a small occupancy area. Later 337 00:19:40.759 --> 00:19:44.599 on would come to find those hot wheel cars that 338 00:19:44.720 --> 00:19:47.880 little kids drive around would be the perfect size seat 339 00:19:47.960 --> 00:19:50.799 to fit in something like this, so like about the 340 00:19:50.880 --> 00:19:53.319 size of a toddler could have fit in there. But 341 00:19:53.480 --> 00:19:57.480 the wings itself were probably about almost as wide as 342 00:19:57.599 --> 00:20:02.119 the road underneath me, so about over twenty feet and 343 00:20:03.200 --> 00:20:08.160 probably maybe another fifteen feet with the wings coming back, 344 00:20:08.839 --> 00:20:12.680 and there was this interesting etching into the metal where 345 00:20:13.079 --> 00:20:16.519 it was broken into four quadrants. So one wing was 346 00:20:16.599 --> 00:20:20.319 broken into two. One we're wing broken into two, and 347 00:20:20.480 --> 00:20:24.200 with that division in line at fifty to fifty right 348 00:20:24.279 --> 00:20:28.599 in the middle, there were eight circles that looked like 349 00:20:28.720 --> 00:20:31.519 they were etched into the metal in each of the 350 00:20:31.640 --> 00:20:36.519 corners on that border. And I was really fascinated with that. 351 00:20:36.880 --> 00:20:40.160 I was like thinking, was this meme with the mold 352 00:20:40.480 --> 00:20:44.079 or you know what is that? And I felt like 353 00:20:44.160 --> 00:20:48.599 I was studying it for a reason. And that's when 354 00:20:49.200 --> 00:20:53.839 probably after maybe thirty seconds of this, I noticed that 355 00:20:54.400 --> 00:20:56.799 all of a sudden, it just came in even closer 356 00:20:56.839 --> 00:20:59.640 and it cut the distance and now all of a sudden, 357 00:20:59.640 --> 00:21:04.160 it's like ten feet or closer. And when it did that, 358 00:21:05.039 --> 00:21:07.759 me and Alaska both kind of pushed back into our 359 00:21:07.880 --> 00:21:11.480 seat and was like, whoa. I remember sort of feeling 360 00:21:11.599 --> 00:21:14.960 like a like a rat in a rain storm, just 361 00:21:15.039 --> 00:21:18.519 holding onto a log, or that scene in Indiana Jones 362 00:21:18.559 --> 00:21:21.559 where he's walking underneath the cave with all the rats 363 00:21:21.599 --> 00:21:25.279 and just like just holding on for dear life. And 364 00:21:26.200 --> 00:21:29.000 that was the first time that I actually thought to myself, 365 00:21:29.200 --> 00:21:30.839 is this friendly? 366 00:21:31.240 --> 00:21:31.400 You know? 367 00:21:32.079 --> 00:21:35.400 And I was trying to assess my own feelings about it. 368 00:21:36.240 --> 00:21:39.119 That's when I kind of had this image of like, well, 369 00:21:39.160 --> 00:21:41.160 where would a weapon even be on it? Okay, these 370 00:21:41.200 --> 00:21:43.240 wings are so thin, like you can't put a bomb 371 00:21:43.319 --> 00:21:46.640 in there. And then I had like this weird, adhd 372 00:21:46.799 --> 00:21:50.440 abstract thought of like a little laser beam, like coming 373 00:21:50.519 --> 00:21:52.839 out of a square hole and hitting us with this 374 00:21:53.039 --> 00:21:55.920 red beam. And then I was like, what's the purpose 375 00:21:56.000 --> 00:21:59.039 of that? And the whole time I was too afraid 376 00:21:59.119 --> 00:22:03.559 to look into the lights of the craft itself, and 377 00:22:03.960 --> 00:22:07.400 I at that point when it came in close, I 378 00:22:07.599 --> 00:22:10.880 finally surrendered and I looked right into the center light. 379 00:22:11.319 --> 00:22:15.440 That reminded me of a pool light, probably about nine 380 00:22:15.559 --> 00:22:18.920 or eleven inches across, and it was this really interesting 381 00:22:19.160 --> 00:22:22.799 white that was like kind of a soft white, but 382 00:22:22.960 --> 00:22:26.039 with like a little bit of brilliance to it. And 383 00:22:26.119 --> 00:22:29.000 when I looked right into it, I know, when I 384 00:22:29.119 --> 00:22:32.519 look into normal lights and I look away like I 385 00:22:32.640 --> 00:22:36.680 did right now, I see spots and I didn't have 386 00:22:37.039 --> 00:22:39.359 any of that whatsoever. It was almost like the light 387 00:22:39.680 --> 00:22:43.160 was made for my retina. And when I looked into it, 388 00:22:43.640 --> 00:22:46.920 that's when I looked down at the speedometer and kind 389 00:22:46.960 --> 00:22:50.519 of had this moment of shock where I thought to myself, 390 00:22:50.880 --> 00:22:54.799 Oh God, And the speedometer was stuck at sixty five 391 00:22:55.240 --> 00:22:58.799 like the U haul truck probably like about a fifteen 392 00:22:58.880 --> 00:23:03.000 foot long UULD track was off. And I had been 393 00:23:03.039 --> 00:23:05.400 playing a game with this pedometer before to try to 394 00:23:05.480 --> 00:23:07.880 keep it still, just as something to keep me awake 395 00:23:07.920 --> 00:23:11.640 at night. And I was like, oh my god, check me, 396 00:23:12.039 --> 00:23:14.839 how is that even possible? And the car must be off. 397 00:23:14.920 --> 00:23:18.519 But I knew we hadn't stopped because things were moving 398 00:23:18.640 --> 00:23:23.279 past us. And my hand was at about, I don't know, 399 00:23:23.519 --> 00:23:28.599 like twelve o'clock and my right hand in my left 400 00:23:28.640 --> 00:23:33.319 hand was at six o'clock, and I tried to move 401 00:23:33.759 --> 00:23:37.880 my right arm, and it was like concrete and it 402 00:23:38.000 --> 00:23:41.119 wouldn't move, and I kind of bounced my body back 403 00:23:41.200 --> 00:23:44.440 and forth a little bit. I realized at that moment 404 00:23:44.599 --> 00:23:48.240 that I was not driving the vehicle anymore, and it 405 00:23:48.359 --> 00:23:51.519 was sort of like the last surrender, and I just 406 00:23:52.319 --> 00:23:56.519 closed my eyes afterwards, like almost like the light made 407 00:23:56.559 --> 00:23:59.279 me close my eyes. But I thought that I closed 408 00:23:59.359 --> 00:24:02.160 my eyes. I sort of. I sort of just felt 409 00:24:02.240 --> 00:24:04.680 like everything was so out of control and I didn't 410 00:24:04.720 --> 00:24:07.079 have any control over my body at that point that 411 00:24:07.720 --> 00:24:10.559 I just needed to escape from this and that was 412 00:24:10.559 --> 00:24:12.759 the only thing I could do, And so I had 413 00:24:12.839 --> 00:24:15.599 control over that, I guess or I just thought I did. 414 00:24:16.279 --> 00:24:19.960 But then now I'm have my eyes closed, and I'm 415 00:24:20.119 --> 00:24:24.599 just completely aware that somebody's inside of my mind, and 416 00:24:24.720 --> 00:24:27.799 so I'm sort of like running around and scurring like 417 00:24:27.880 --> 00:24:30.920 a weasel over here and trying to trying to hide 418 00:24:31.039 --> 00:24:33.920 in my mind, and I'm thinking, don't don't think, and 419 00:24:34.039 --> 00:24:36.720 I thought, you dummy, that's a thought. And then I 420 00:24:36.880 --> 00:24:39.680 sort of had these images of thinking, maybe this is 421 00:24:39.720 --> 00:24:43.160 a telephone or something, and I thought to myself, well, 422 00:24:43.240 --> 00:24:46.160 maybe you can communicate if it's inside of your mind. 423 00:24:46.240 --> 00:24:48.640 Maybe you're inside of its mind, and I'm like, it's 424 00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:51.759 kind of like cellular phone, and you should ask it 425 00:24:51.799 --> 00:24:55.000 a question because you'll never get this audience again. It 426 00:24:55.160 --> 00:24:57.319 was like the exact words that that sort of came 427 00:24:57.359 --> 00:25:00.240 into my mind, like I was, I was rushing, and 428 00:25:00.359 --> 00:25:04.720 I was so worried about something. Then that's when I 429 00:25:05.400 --> 00:25:08.440 decided to sort of go deeper into my mind and 430 00:25:08.599 --> 00:25:12.880 try to hide even more, which be mentally hacked, you know, 431 00:25:13.279 --> 00:25:16.400 is impossible, I guess. But I was sitting on this 432 00:25:16.640 --> 00:25:19.920 red chair that somebody had given to me that was 433 00:25:20.960 --> 00:25:23.200 from a preschool that I would put in my shower 434 00:25:23.640 --> 00:25:25.799 and I would just sit on that chair and think 435 00:25:26.240 --> 00:25:30.200 in the shower and for long periods of time. And 436 00:25:30.279 --> 00:25:33.079 so I was sort of in that place and just 437 00:25:33.200 --> 00:25:37.000 kind of sitting there in fetal position, and then all 438 00:25:37.039 --> 00:25:39.279 of a sudden, I didn't think for a second, and 439 00:25:39.359 --> 00:25:42.640 it kind of like almost felt like this infinite void 440 00:25:42.720 --> 00:25:46.279 of like whoa. And then I looked above and it 441 00:25:46.400 --> 00:25:54.039 said all I asn E all as one in read letters. 442 00:25:55.079 --> 00:25:58.000 And I think my twenty one year old consciousness was 443 00:25:58.079 --> 00:26:01.440 like I could have told you that got to give 444 00:26:01.440 --> 00:26:03.799 me an equation or something. No one's ever gonna believe this. 445 00:26:04.000 --> 00:26:09.359 And at that moment, the wheels of the car sort 446 00:26:09.400 --> 00:26:13.000 of became apparent through my feet, and I remember that 447 00:26:13.160 --> 00:26:17.440 was the first actual coming back, and I opened my 448 00:26:17.559 --> 00:26:21.799 eyes and all of a sudden, the craft moved to 449 00:26:21.960 --> 00:26:24.880 the side of the vehicle. We're still going sixty five, 450 00:26:25.960 --> 00:26:30.000 and it kind of went over and its wings were 451 00:26:30.119 --> 00:26:32.519 down a little bit. But I was in the U hall, 452 00:26:32.640 --> 00:26:35.079 so I could I can only see it so much 453 00:26:35.119 --> 00:26:38.200 as it went kind of down into that position with 454 00:26:39.079 --> 00:26:42.839 its bleed edge up a little bit. And then Alaska 455 00:26:43.599 --> 00:26:45.519 looked over at me, and I was like, what's it doing? 456 00:26:45.599 --> 00:26:49.200 And she goes, it's right there. It's gone just instantaneous. 457 00:26:49.319 --> 00:26:51.880 I was whoa, And I just like pulled the vehicle 458 00:26:51.960 --> 00:26:56.480 over finally, and we both jumped out, and I was 459 00:26:56.640 --> 00:26:58.119 I was looking at it, and I was trying to 460 00:26:58.160 --> 00:27:01.519 get an eye on, like where did it go? It 461 00:27:01.519 --> 00:27:04.759 didn't make any noise, And there was this star that 462 00:27:04.880 --> 00:27:08.279 looked like the size of like three planets right over 463 00:27:08.440 --> 00:27:13.640 this southern Sierras, and there's a two large basin right 464 00:27:13.720 --> 00:27:17.839 above Fresno that's about fifty miles wide. And so I 465 00:27:18.039 --> 00:27:20.839 did the math later and distance equels eight times time, 466 00:27:20.960 --> 00:27:23.960 and so it went in one second across that whole 467 00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:26.359 way would take like eight or ten thousand miles an hour, 468 00:27:26.440 --> 00:27:29.599 so it should have broke like multiple sound barriers. And 469 00:27:29.720 --> 00:27:32.200 so I'm super baffled looking at it, and we're both 470 00:27:32.279 --> 00:27:36.559 hugging each other now and it's probably still eighty eighty 471 00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:39.200 five out and there's like a little rustle of the 472 00:27:39.359 --> 00:27:43.480 grass and we're kind of kind of sitting there silently. 473 00:27:43.519 --> 00:27:45.680 There's still nobody on the road. There wasn't anybody on 474 00:27:45.799 --> 00:27:48.319 the road for miles either, and I noticed it right 475 00:27:48.359 --> 00:27:51.119 before it it happened, when it before it hit three 476 00:27:51.200 --> 00:27:53.279 oh eight, I was like, whoa, there's nobody out here. 477 00:27:53.319 --> 00:27:56.440 This is creepy. Alaska kind of looked at me and 478 00:27:56.759 --> 00:27:59.400 her first words were, do you think it'll come back? 479 00:28:00.640 --> 00:28:03.119 And I sort of just felt like a little kid 480 00:28:03.240 --> 00:28:06.079 or something else. I hope, so, I mean, love to 481 00:28:06.119 --> 00:28:09.319 see that again, and she thought, she said, I don't 482 00:28:09.480 --> 00:28:12.839 ever want to see that again. That was terrifying, And 483 00:28:13.599 --> 00:28:17.599 just all of a sudden, I just went into adhd 484 00:28:17.799 --> 00:28:20.119 truth James and was just like, I think it was 485 00:28:20.200 --> 00:28:22.640 a space girl. I had like this like kind of 486 00:28:22.720 --> 00:28:27.240 like feminine energy, and I was still trying to telepathically 487 00:28:27.799 --> 00:28:30.559 feel the remnants, and I was I wasn't certain if 488 00:28:31.519 --> 00:28:34.559 that connection that I had with it on the freeway 489 00:28:35.119 --> 00:28:39.599 was still just as deep and connected as when it 490 00:28:39.759 --> 00:28:42.759 was the Little Star, because I seemed to like connect 491 00:28:42.799 --> 00:28:46.640 with the Star like instantly. And then all of a sudden, 492 00:28:46.720 --> 00:28:49.279 she had this like crazy reaction that I just wasn't 493 00:28:49.319 --> 00:28:52.119 ready for, and she was like, oh great, now I 494 00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:56.119 got to worry about space girls. California was bad enough. 495 00:28:56.599 --> 00:29:01.640 I was like what, oh man, And we just got 496 00:29:01.720 --> 00:29:04.480 back in the truck and just decided that we were 497 00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:08.319 going to just keep going. And when we got back in, 498 00:29:09.000 --> 00:29:13.279 we sort of had this moment of we were totally elated, 499 00:29:13.680 --> 00:29:17.079 just what what was that? And then we were having 500 00:29:17.200 --> 00:29:20.559 these weird conversations like are we dreaming? Is this real? 501 00:29:21.160 --> 00:29:23.480 So we called up some people and we kept pinching 502 00:29:23.559 --> 00:29:26.799 ourselves and I was sort of like trying to get 503 00:29:26.880 --> 00:29:31.359 through that onto logical shock of seeing that, and I 504 00:29:31.519 --> 00:29:36.319 noticed that for me, I just kept ramping up, ramping up, 505 00:29:36.440 --> 00:29:41.359 and ramping up, and you know, she was really amped 506 00:29:41.359 --> 00:29:44.640 at first, but then I just started to obsess and 507 00:29:44.680 --> 00:29:47.720 I was like, wow, what was that disparity between our 508 00:29:47.799 --> 00:29:50.920 technology running around on dinosaur juice and these things just 509 00:29:51.319 --> 00:29:55.039 shooting around just like the Jetsons, Like, how come, how 510 00:29:55.119 --> 00:29:57.759 come we don't have that technology? 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Be sure to 520 00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:40.759 follow us on Twitter for updates at k u NXDB, 521 00:30:41.079 --> 00:30:44.880 follow our Facebook group ONEX network, by the podcast on 522 00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:50.480 a Spotify, iHeart Audible and Apple podcast It's Time, It's New. 523 00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:53.599 It's the x x X. 524 00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:03.640 Later we moved to Portland and we sort of went 525 00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:06.599 two different directions. I decided that I was going to 526 00:31:06.640 --> 00:31:10.640 study everything that I could about UFOs, but not really 527 00:31:10.880 --> 00:31:16.720 like I didn't go I wasn't totally led to want 528 00:31:16.759 --> 00:31:20.160 to look at UFO stuff. All I was really interested 529 00:31:20.200 --> 00:31:23.079 in at first, which was like a searing coal in 530 00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:26.279 my head, was the universe and I needed to learn 531 00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:29.279 about cosmology, and I needed to learn about all of 532 00:31:29.400 --> 00:31:33.240 these things that for somebody like me with the level 533 00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:39.240 of ADHD, dyslexia, dysgraphia totally impossible and run away from 534 00:31:39.279 --> 00:31:42.039 my entire life, didn't want to deal with. And I 535 00:31:42.119 --> 00:31:44.240 was supposed to be going to college up there, to 536 00:31:44.359 --> 00:31:46.440 the community college, and I had no idea what I 537 00:31:46.599 --> 00:31:48.319 was going to be deener what I was going to do, 538 00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:51.519 And so when we got there, it was kind of rough. 539 00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:54.440 We didn't know where we were going to land, and 540 00:31:54.519 --> 00:31:58.160 we just happened to find a perfect place just out 541 00:31:58.200 --> 00:32:01.440 of nowhere. This guy came in right after we called 542 00:32:01.519 --> 00:32:04.759 him and said that everything was brand new, the carpets, 543 00:32:04.839 --> 00:32:07.680 the roof, and after he like described it, were like, guys, 544 00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:09.720 this guy even gonna rend us this place, like is 545 00:32:09.759 --> 00:32:11.839 he going to move in? And he had a daughter 546 00:32:11.920 --> 00:32:13.880 that was going to Lewis and Clark, and so I 547 00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:18.279 think Alaska kind of like was schmoozing him. And we 548 00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:20.039 did a great job. We thought the place was ours, 549 00:32:20.039 --> 00:32:21.839 and they didn't call us back for a while. But 550 00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:24.960 we got in there. But when we first looked at 551 00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:27.599 the place, I noticed that in one of the bedrooms 552 00:32:27.640 --> 00:32:30.400 there was a dark energy and I saw like a 553 00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:33.599 black rain cloud with white eyeballs looked back at me. 554 00:32:34.279 --> 00:32:36.519 I don't know, I just was checking the place out, 555 00:32:36.559 --> 00:32:38.319 you know, and I opened the door and I thought 556 00:32:38.359 --> 00:32:40.400 to myself, well, if I move in this place, I 557 00:32:40.440 --> 00:32:43.359 will definitely not set my room up in there. It'll 558 00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:45.920 be over on this other side. And this was all 559 00:32:46.000 --> 00:32:48.599 for like seven point fifty So we were like all 560 00:32:48.799 --> 00:32:51.480 charged up, you know, two thousand and six Portland, and 561 00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:53.880 we were living in southern California before that. We're like, 562 00:32:53.960 --> 00:32:57.160 oh my god, it this even possible. And so we 563 00:32:57.279 --> 00:32:59.599 moved in all of our things, and then all the 564 00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:03.200 books started piling up in the house from the Portland Library, 565 00:33:03.599 --> 00:33:07.319 and you know, I started getting fees because I don't 566 00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:11.079 even read books. I've never read a book in my life. Really, 567 00:33:11.160 --> 00:33:13.559 it takes too much time and my eyes skip around. 568 00:33:13.640 --> 00:33:15.640 And so I was just like collecting these books with 569 00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:21.000 these beautiful covers, and then finally I got into Stephen 570 00:33:21.079 --> 00:33:24.640 Hawkins and Brian Green, and you know, I picked away 571 00:33:24.680 --> 00:33:27.880 and read those books over and over several times and 572 00:33:28.680 --> 00:33:33.079 just became infatuated with all of these things about the 573 00:33:33.119 --> 00:33:36.160 Big Bang and Alaska didn't want to hear any of it, 574 00:33:36.319 --> 00:33:39.200 and I was like trying to wrap my head around something, 575 00:33:40.240 --> 00:33:43.279 and I was just after a while, I was, you know, 576 00:33:43.400 --> 00:33:46.240 what this is going nowhere? And what am I doing? 577 00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:49.839 This went on for like three months, just straight obsession, 578 00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:54.039 just night after night, you know, smoking lots of lots 579 00:33:54.079 --> 00:33:58.680 of cannabis to sort of propel that energy to sit down, 580 00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:02.000 because with ADH I couldn't sit down. It's the only 581 00:34:02.039 --> 00:34:04.200 way I could sit down is if I found a 582 00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:06.279 bag of weed and had a ball, and then I'd 583 00:34:06.319 --> 00:34:09.719 actually sit down and actually read this stuff or at 584 00:34:09.800 --> 00:34:13.079 least try to absorb some of it. And then yeah, 585 00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:14.360 I was like, oh, I need to give this up. 586 00:34:14.480 --> 00:34:17.280 This is stupid. I'm an idiot. I'll never understand this 587 00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:19.840 shit anyways, because you're wrong with me. Why don't I 588 00:34:19.960 --> 00:34:22.519 keep trying to do this? I ended up in a 589 00:34:22.599 --> 00:34:25.400 math one class and I'm there and the guy's going 590 00:34:25.480 --> 00:34:29.199 over arithmetic and all of this stuff, and I was like, 591 00:34:29.320 --> 00:34:31.280 oh my god, what am I doing here? I've taken 592 00:34:31.360 --> 00:34:35.440 an algebra class. This is ridiculous and I'm sitting in 593 00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:37.559 the back and I was going to walk out, but 594 00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:39.840 he was so nice and he was like kind of funny. 595 00:34:39.880 --> 00:34:41.559 I was like, oh, this is cool. So I watched 596 00:34:41.599 --> 00:34:45.559 him and then eventually, you know, I decided I want 597 00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:47.440 to get out of there as quick as possible. So 598 00:34:47.840 --> 00:34:49.960 right as he finished, I walked right up in front 599 00:34:49.960 --> 00:34:52.320 of everybody who was going to ask questions. This is 600 00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:55.119 his first class at the semester in the fall, I said, 601 00:34:55.159 --> 00:34:58.000 I know. I said to him, hey, I don't need 602 00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:00.719 your class. This is amazing what you do. You you're 603 00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:04.079 obviously like very talented. Thank you so much. And he said, 604 00:35:04.119 --> 00:35:06.800 what's seven times aint? I said what? He goes, what's 605 00:35:06.800 --> 00:35:09.639 seven times eight? I'll never forget it. It's fifty six. 606 00:35:10.039 --> 00:35:12.599 It's always fifty six. And that was definitely my hardest 607 00:35:12.679 --> 00:35:16.440 math timestable. And he said, you're supposed to be here 608 00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:19.880 and you're going to take this class. This is where 609 00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:22.960 you're supposed to be and so that that was weird, right, 610 00:35:23.159 --> 00:35:26.719 I was like guided sort of into this place. Probably 611 00:35:27.239 --> 00:35:33.000 a couple months after that, the Chicago hera UFO incident happened, 612 00:35:33.039 --> 00:35:36.119 which flared me up hard again, thinking, oh my god, 613 00:35:36.199 --> 00:35:39.599 this is a sign. Finally this is proof. And I've 614 00:35:39.679 --> 00:35:43.440 been going around and telling my UFO story to every 615 00:35:43.559 --> 00:35:47.440 person that I saw, just annoyingly, just to see what 616 00:35:47.519 --> 00:35:51.760 their reactions were. Some kind of lost sociologists just out 617 00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:55.519 in bewilderness, just picking up data for no reason, and 618 00:35:55.599 --> 00:35:57.960 people just always have the same kind of thing, like 619 00:35:58.039 --> 00:36:01.559 I don't care, and you know, I don't believe in aliens. 620 00:36:01.599 --> 00:36:04.320 I'd get heckled a lot, so it's just kind of 621 00:36:04.360 --> 00:36:07.840 getting battered all the time. And then the Chicago Hera 622 00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:09.639 thing kind of got rolled off, at least at the 623 00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:12.639 time as a whole punch, a cloud hole punch, and 624 00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:15.039 I was like, what this is crazy? Was at the 625 00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:18.440 biggest airport in the world, Like, are these UFOs related 626 00:36:18.480 --> 00:36:22.440 to my UFOs? I was just I was tripping out 627 00:36:22.599 --> 00:36:25.039 so hard. My best friend that I actually drove up 628 00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:27.119 there with that called my mom at one point and 629 00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:30.840 was like, Hey, your son's smoking weed, just studying UFOs 630 00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:33.119 all day. Just want to let you know what he's 631 00:36:33.239 --> 00:36:35.239 up really up to. Called me up. I was like, hey, 632 00:36:35.320 --> 00:36:39.159 they saw your UFOs in Chicago, So that that got 633 00:36:39.239 --> 00:36:42.719 me really worked up. And not long after that there 634 00:36:42.840 --> 00:36:46.039 was a point where I was driving in Alaska to 635 00:36:46.239 --> 00:36:49.480 school every morning and dropping her off. And one morning 636 00:36:50.960 --> 00:36:54.760 woke up around seven point thirty and she got up 637 00:36:54.840 --> 00:36:56.679 and we're going to be late for school again, and 638 00:36:56.800 --> 00:36:59.280 she ran around the corner, which the bathroom was just 639 00:36:59.400 --> 00:37:01.360 on the other side of the wall of the bedroom, 640 00:37:01.760 --> 00:37:04.920 and went to use the bathroom. Well, I don't know 641 00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:07.519 what happened. I just I was sitting up in bed 642 00:37:08.199 --> 00:37:10.719 in the closest corner of the room to where the 643 00:37:10.760 --> 00:37:13.199 bed was kind of snuggled up against and I just 644 00:37:13.440 --> 00:37:16.760 fell back asleep. And the next thing I know, I'm 645 00:37:16.880 --> 00:37:20.519 just sitting in front of the bathroom door, and I 646 00:37:20.639 --> 00:37:24.679 looked down at my hand and I couldn't believe it. 647 00:37:24.719 --> 00:37:27.719 It looked just like the halo on that UFO and 648 00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:30.440 it was fuzziness and I could see through it and 649 00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:32.639 I could make out the palm prints. And then I 650 00:37:32.719 --> 00:37:35.360 flipped my hand over and I could see my knuckles. 651 00:37:36.039 --> 00:37:37.639 But it was weird. It was like when I was 652 00:37:37.719 --> 00:37:41.000 doing it, I was moving through molasses, like it happened 653 00:37:41.079 --> 00:37:43.440 so slow, and my head was kind of pointed down 654 00:37:43.559 --> 00:37:46.039 and I was, holy shit, am I of those? Like what? 655 00:37:46.920 --> 00:37:50.920 And the next thing I know, I look up Alaska's 656 00:37:50.960 --> 00:37:54.719 coming off of the toilet and she's wiping herself and 657 00:37:54.840 --> 00:37:57.360 there's a double of her right over the top of 658 00:37:57.480 --> 00:38:00.760 her in the shower curtain behind it, and it's her 659 00:38:01.519 --> 00:38:05.480 with plugs and everything, and she's got a black hoodie 660 00:38:05.519 --> 00:38:09.320 on and she's looking and staring at me, and her 661 00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:13.440 fingers are curled up in this weird kind of rigamortis 662 00:38:13.639 --> 00:38:16.920 like tiger palm thing where the top of the fingers 663 00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:19.880 really close to the palm, and she's looking at me 664 00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:22.119 and she's sort of getting closer to the top of 665 00:38:22.199 --> 00:38:24.880 her head, and then there's this thought, oh gosh, she 666 00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:27.599 got to bite their skull, and then it looks at 667 00:38:27.679 --> 00:38:30.679 me even more and twists its head and then goes 668 00:38:30.800 --> 00:38:34.039 down and bites her forehead. And I just woke up 669 00:38:34.119 --> 00:38:37.960 in a shriek. Alaska comes running around the corner. She 670 00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:40.480 jumps into bed, and she says, whoa, whoa, whoa. Bo 671 00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:44.119 Before you say anything, tell me what you saw. So 672 00:38:44.360 --> 00:38:46.519 you know, just as I described you, I was standing there, 673 00:38:46.719 --> 00:38:50.320 I was like translucent, I was like glowing, and then 674 00:38:50.360 --> 00:38:52.519 all of a sudden I saw her and she was 675 00:38:52.679 --> 00:38:57.599 like whoa, because I felt like there was something over 676 00:38:57.679 --> 00:39:02.000 the top of me and I've never spontaneously just jumped 677 00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:05.679 out of my body. And so at that point the 678 00:39:05.800 --> 00:39:09.920 relationship kind of started turning sour. And I just wanted 679 00:39:09.960 --> 00:39:12.400 to talk about the UFO and I wanted to have 680 00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:15.639 her draw it constantly. And she was going to school 681 00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:18.400 for art and she was the most amazing artist I 682 00:39:18.480 --> 00:39:20.880 had ever met, and so she could just draw it 683 00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:23.880 with both hands as we were driving to school, and 684 00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:26.320 it was amazing. It's like she worked for NASA or something. 685 00:39:26.360 --> 00:39:28.360 And I would give these things away as gifts to 686 00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:30.440 people I'd tell the story who didn't care in the 687 00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:33.639 first place, and probably just threw them away, and I 688 00:39:33.840 --> 00:39:36.880 only can just remember them in my mind now. But 689 00:39:37.039 --> 00:39:39.679 there was this thing where it was I wasn't allowed 690 00:39:39.719 --> 00:39:42.360 to make art about it because I wasn't as good 691 00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:45.000 as her. I wasn't like, you know, I didn't work 692 00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:49.639 for skunk Works or something as a as a engineer. 693 00:39:49.760 --> 00:39:52.920 I mean, that was just how amazing she was at 694 00:39:53.000 --> 00:39:55.719 drawing this thing. It was four or five lines, and 695 00:39:55.840 --> 00:39:58.440 she had just nailed it. It was so simple and perfect. 696 00:39:59.360 --> 00:40:02.440 And my whole life I'd always struggled with art. My 697 00:40:02.599 --> 00:40:06.679 father was really big into art, and my mom and 698 00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:11.039 him got divorced when I was probably four or five 699 00:40:11.159 --> 00:40:14.639 years old, and so I spent a lot of time 700 00:40:14.920 --> 00:40:17.639 by myself. I would spend summers with him and we'd 701 00:40:17.719 --> 00:40:20.599 go out into the Southwest and look for patrick cliffs 702 00:40:20.639 --> 00:40:24.360 of actually aliens, which is really weird. Later on that 703 00:40:24.519 --> 00:40:28.400 this lined up to happen to me, But when we 704 00:40:28.519 --> 00:40:32.800 found one with a little alien inside of it, with 705 00:40:33.760 --> 00:40:36.599 a bubble over it with antennas coming off, and we're 706 00:40:36.639 --> 00:40:39.960 really jazzed about it. But I never really felt like 707 00:40:40.039 --> 00:40:42.079 I was able to connect with my father. He never 708 00:40:42.760 --> 00:40:44.960 was able to say I love you. He's not that 709 00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:48.480 kind of affectionate guy. He was a Vietnam that did 710 00:40:48.559 --> 00:40:51.960 three tours, lieutenant colonel. He had a child when he 711 00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:55.639 was forty nine, and so I was sort of this 712 00:40:55.800 --> 00:40:59.679 second family that had failed for him. And here he 713 00:40:59.880 --> 00:41:02.920 was picking up the pieces after raising four kids before me, 714 00:41:03.800 --> 00:41:07.719 and art was his thing, and he was an amazing ceramicist, 715 00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:11.559 and you know, and there's no way that I could 716 00:41:11.599 --> 00:41:16.280 live up to these gods, right, And so after basically 717 00:41:16.400 --> 00:41:20.360 lurking around Portland at the Burnside under the Burnside Bridge 718 00:41:21.320 --> 00:41:24.639 at the skate park, which is more like a black 719 00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:28.880 hole vortex clubhouse for skaters. I sort of ran into 720 00:41:28.960 --> 00:41:33.480 this guy no style, Kyle, who was a trust fund baby, 721 00:41:33.719 --> 00:41:37.920 and we took an existential class together that spring, and 722 00:41:38.920 --> 00:41:42.360 Kyle was like a very dark, very interesting guy, and 723 00:41:42.360 --> 00:41:45.360 it was very deep and so like he was always 724 00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:48.599 pushing me to do things. I think we got in 725 00:41:48.639 --> 00:41:50.519 a fight or something one day and he said to me, 726 00:41:51.079 --> 00:41:53.000 why do you just can draw your big picture? 727 00:41:53.320 --> 00:41:53.880 What is it? 728 00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:56.880 Anyways? Can you even do it? And I remember just 729 00:41:57.039 --> 00:42:00.519 the challenge, and I got a piece of nope paper 730 00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:04.800 and started drawing these cling bottles, which was something that 731 00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:08.199 was being talked about in my anthropology class. I was 732 00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:11.840 taking history of Northwest Native Americans, and they were talking 733 00:42:11.880 --> 00:42:14.719 about this Native American conception of the client bottle, where 734 00:42:14.760 --> 00:42:16.400 the inside of the bottle is the outside of the 735 00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:18.360 bottle and the outside of the bottle is the inside 736 00:42:18.400 --> 00:42:20.400 of the bottle. And so I was sort of making 737 00:42:20.480 --> 00:42:24.320 these lines and dots and sort of things and just 738 00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:28.159 really like trying to explore philosophy through my art. And 739 00:42:28.519 --> 00:42:31.079 the colors were really important to me. But I never 740 00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:33.880 planned on like sharing it with anybody. I never planned 741 00:42:33.920 --> 00:42:36.559 on I think the first doodle I did I just 742 00:42:36.639 --> 00:42:39.159 found in a storage unit recently, and it was just 743 00:42:39.360 --> 00:42:42.400 thrown somewhere and has been living there ever since. And 744 00:42:42.480 --> 00:42:44.519 it was in perfect condition when I found it, these 745 00:42:44.559 --> 00:42:47.480 beautiful blues and greens and clime bottles and little dots 746 00:42:47.960 --> 00:42:52.840 that represented universes. And so I eventually broke up with Alaska, 747 00:42:53.320 --> 00:42:59.880 and I believe our last conversation was super weird. Was 748 00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:02.480 going surfing, and she had sort of found that I 749 00:43:02.559 --> 00:43:04.159 was dating the girl down the street that I was 750 00:43:04.199 --> 00:43:07.280 getting weed from, or sort of having this like dramatic 751 00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:10.480 affair sort of thing, even though we didn't hook up 752 00:43:10.559 --> 00:43:13.440 until our significant others were out of the picture. But 753 00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:17.119 I just got this weird feeling and I just went 754 00:43:17.239 --> 00:43:20.400 with it. And I told her, Look, if you don't 755 00:43:20.400 --> 00:43:23.360 ever want to see those things again, don't ever contact 756 00:43:23.440 --> 00:43:26.840 me again. I've been taken. They've taken me. I've been 757 00:43:26.960 --> 00:43:30.280 up in the ship, and eventually they will erase my 758 00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:33.679 memory and in the future I will try to contact 759 00:43:33.800 --> 00:43:38.119 you and I will not know any of this even happened. 760 00:43:38.440 --> 00:43:40.920 So whatever you do, if you don't ever want to 761 00:43:40.960 --> 00:43:45.360 see those again, don't ever contact me again. And she said, 762 00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:48.239 I don't ever want to see that again. And I 763 00:43:48.360 --> 00:43:50.119 hung up on her, and it was the last time 764 00:43:50.159 --> 00:43:53.360 I ever talked to Alaska. And I remember getting my 765 00:43:53.480 --> 00:43:56.599 wet suit on and my surfboard, and then there was 766 00:43:56.639 --> 00:43:58.599 a friend in the parking lot and I was trying 767 00:43:58.639 --> 00:44:01.559 to explain the experience of what just happened. And I 768 00:44:01.679 --> 00:44:06.679 was like, Barren, I just told Alaska all this crazy 769 00:44:06.760 --> 00:44:08.960 shit and like, I don't know if that even happened 770 00:44:09.079 --> 00:44:10.760 or not. I was like, why did you do that? 771 00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:13.519 I was like, I don't know, I just I just 772 00:44:13.679 --> 00:44:16.199 did what. It's just weird. 773 00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:18.199 And so me and. 774 00:44:19.679 --> 00:44:23.079 The new girl will call her the Deadly Diamond. She's 775 00:44:23.119 --> 00:44:29.559 a beautiful half Portuguese half Russian girl who smoked weed 776 00:44:29.679 --> 00:44:32.079 like a chimney, smoked weed ten times more than me. 777 00:44:32.440 --> 00:44:34.440 So I was always trying to find her weed as 778 00:44:34.519 --> 00:44:36.760 we were. And then she had no problem talking about 779 00:44:36.880 --> 00:44:41.039 UFOs and so like sort of clicked instantly. We moved 780 00:44:41.079 --> 00:44:45.159 around for a while. We moved back to Portland. We 781 00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:50.159 rented an apartment that was in downtown in an area 782 00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:53.559 called the Pearl District, on a street which is seven 783 00:44:53.679 --> 00:44:57.719 thirty five Saint Clair Avenue. I realized after living with 784 00:44:57.840 --> 00:45:01.920 Alaska in the suburb outside of Portland, that that was stupid. 785 00:45:01.960 --> 00:45:04.039 We were just spending all of our time in traffic, 786 00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:06.639 and so I wanted to live in Portland. So I 787 00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:09.840 found this amazing apartment building. I just seemed to have 788 00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:13.199 this knack for just finding amazing places and just always 789 00:45:13.280 --> 00:45:16.960 getting right in with the right people. And after moving 790 00:45:17.079 --> 00:45:21.760 around a couple times throughout the twenty three story building, 791 00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:24.320 we finally ended up on the twentieth floor in a 792 00:45:24.400 --> 00:45:27.400 corner apartment. As every day I'd go down and have 793 00:45:27.519 --> 00:45:30.400 coffee in the morning and talk to the people in 794 00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:33.800 the front and so I knew everyone by first name 795 00:45:33.840 --> 00:45:37.159 and that whole building almost At one point, and my 796 00:45:37.239 --> 00:45:40.480 grandmother was starting to pass away, and I kind of 797 00:45:40.519 --> 00:45:42.559 had a feeling she was going to die, and so 798 00:45:42.760 --> 00:45:44.599 all of a sudden, you know, I'm on the phone 799 00:45:44.639 --> 00:45:48.840 with her and I just went on UFO blast for 800 00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:52.639 some reason, like it was some sort of like spiritual annoying, 801 00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:55.719 and I just went into this conversation. I'm like, this 802 00:45:55.960 --> 00:46:00.400 is the third Copernicus Revolution. I figured it out, We're 803 00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:03.039 not the center of the universe. Da da Da da da, 804 00:46:03.199 --> 00:46:05.239 and just going on and on, and she was just 805 00:46:06.199 --> 00:46:08.559 you know, listening to the experience of the U haul 806 00:46:08.679 --> 00:46:11.800 and the freeway and just trying to absorb it. And 807 00:46:11.880 --> 00:46:15.119 then she finally asked, like my mom does, after listening 808 00:46:15.159 --> 00:46:17.360 to me talk for a long time, where are you? 809 00:46:18.079 --> 00:46:20.360 And I said, I'm in Portland. She goes, oh, you're 810 00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:23.119 so far away. And for me, I just kind of 811 00:46:23.199 --> 00:46:25.519 felt my soul crush and I thought, you know what, 812 00:46:25.639 --> 00:46:27.440 she's going to pass away tonight. I just I can 813 00:46:27.599 --> 00:46:30.519 feel it intuitively, and so I got off the phone 814 00:46:30.519 --> 00:46:32.559 with her, told my mom I want her to come down. 815 00:46:33.480 --> 00:46:37.199 And so that night, this is probably about three years later, 816 00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:40.480 on two thousand and nine or so, I went to 817 00:46:40.599 --> 00:46:45.239 bed and all of a sudden, I just woke up, 818 00:46:46.119 --> 00:46:49.800 and I didn't wake up and my physical body and 819 00:46:49.840 --> 00:46:53.760 the dream, I just woke up and saw myself watching 820 00:46:53.880 --> 00:46:57.400 myself come and lift out of bed next to the 821 00:46:57.480 --> 00:47:00.719 deadly diamond, and then all of a sudden and levitate 822 00:47:01.480 --> 00:47:05.159 and then just go right through the window. But when 823 00:47:05.199 --> 00:47:07.480 I went through the window, it was like I was 824 00:47:07.599 --> 00:47:11.440 going through like hot ice, and as I went through it, 825 00:47:11.719 --> 00:47:15.719 my head was faced up. I remember seeing through the glass, 826 00:47:16.280 --> 00:47:20.360 which just absolutely blew my mind, as it was just 827 00:47:20.559 --> 00:47:25.760 this universe of congruent bubbles, almost like I was an 828 00:47:25.840 --> 00:47:28.960 atom that went through it, and I was just tripped 829 00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:31.119 out at how much space there was. It was just 830 00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:35.960 this endless amounts of voluminous and all of these bubbles 831 00:47:36.239 --> 00:47:39.679 almost like a clear white color. And then we went. 832 00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:43.360 I went through the other side, kind of like going 833 00:47:44.079 --> 00:47:48.000 through like a waterfall, rippling down, and then I'm outside, 834 00:47:48.360 --> 00:47:50.880 and then all of a sudden, I'm observing myself floating 835 00:47:50.960 --> 00:47:54.840 there kind of in this coffin, very straight back, and 836 00:47:54.960 --> 00:47:57.280 then I just wake up. And now I'm in that 837 00:47:57.559 --> 00:48:01.000 perspective and I'm looking down and I can hear the 838 00:48:01.119 --> 00:48:05.760 trees rustling, and i'd smell the garbage can from around 839 00:48:05.840 --> 00:48:08.880 the corner or whatever, and you know, the city sounds 840 00:48:08.960 --> 00:48:12.320 of people walking around and stuff crickets at the same time, 841 00:48:12.360 --> 00:48:14.880 because it's the Northwest, and I'm just all what And 842 00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:16.280 I woke up, and then all of a sudden, I 843 00:48:16.400 --> 00:48:19.519 was just back in bed and I just woke up, 844 00:48:19.800 --> 00:48:23.079 called my mom, asked her, you know what had happened, 845 00:48:24.119 --> 00:48:26.039 And at the same time, I was tapping my finger 846 00:48:26.159 --> 00:48:28.280 on the window, trying to push my hand through the window, 847 00:48:28.840 --> 00:48:31.480 and then found out that my grandmother had died. And 848 00:48:31.559 --> 00:48:34.239 then I thought to myself, man, maybe this uf ocean 849 00:48:34.360 --> 00:48:36.639 and being obsessed for the last three years and just 850 00:48:36.760 --> 00:48:39.880 studying all of this cosmology and all of this EU 851 00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:42.760 ofphology and stuff like where is it led me? 852 00:48:42.920 --> 00:48:43.039 You know? 853 00:48:43.400 --> 00:48:45.599 I was really interested in balb Bazaar and how he 854 00:48:45.760 --> 00:48:48.239 was talking about the craft being on its side and 855 00:48:48.360 --> 00:48:51.199 doing things. And now I'd said previously I'd seen the 856 00:48:51.280 --> 00:48:53.679 craft on its side, and so I thought that was 857 00:48:53.760 --> 00:48:57.760 probably the only inkling of truth maybe out there that 858 00:48:57.920 --> 00:49:00.239 I could even like wrap my head around, like, Wow, 859 00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:02.840 someone's actually talking about UFOs on their side, Like I 860 00:49:02.960 --> 00:49:06.639 want to know everything about that, and old Bobby is 861 00:49:06.679 --> 00:49:08.519 the only one I could find to really talk about it. 862 00:49:08.760 --> 00:49:11.679 But yeah, I thought, maybe this is bad, you know, 863 00:49:11.920 --> 00:49:15.960 and they're obviously following me because that wasn't a dream. 864 00:49:16.199 --> 00:49:18.360 That was I don't wake up from dreams and try 865 00:49:18.400 --> 00:49:20.800 to smash my hand through a window or like put 866 00:49:20.880 --> 00:49:23.480 my finger up to it and like want to push 867 00:49:23.559 --> 00:49:26.000 it through. And so I thought, maybe this is bad. 868 00:49:26.199 --> 00:49:26.360 You know. 869 00:49:26.519 --> 00:49:29.119 I messed up my last time talking to my grandmother 870 00:49:29.320 --> 00:49:31.880 and I'm really blowing it, and what am I even 871 00:49:32.000 --> 00:49:34.840 doing here in Portland? I went to a job where 872 00:49:35.559 --> 00:49:37.960 it was a call center because I was just dying 873 00:49:38.079 --> 00:49:40.840 for money and didn't know anyone in town to sell 874 00:49:40.920 --> 00:49:43.599 weed to. As previously I went in the Santa Barbara 875 00:49:43.719 --> 00:49:45.679 sold weed my whole life as a surfer, just to 876 00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:47.880 my surfer friends. And now I didn't know anyone. And 877 00:49:47.920 --> 00:49:50.920 I'm at this call center and it's for gutter put 878 00:49:51.000 --> 00:49:53.159 gutters on your house. And I'm at the call center. 879 00:49:53.199 --> 00:49:55.400 I'm all, well, would you like got a removal? And 880 00:49:55.559 --> 00:49:58.280 like somebody heard that, and then they all started like, going, 881 00:49:58.360 --> 00:50:00.920 did you just say cut a removal? All started laughing. 882 00:50:00.960 --> 00:50:02.440 I was like, I'm gonna get the hell out of here. 883 00:50:03.000 --> 00:50:04.920 And then selling meat out of a truck at a 884 00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:07.360 gas station and people are like, I won't buy meat 885 00:50:07.360 --> 00:50:09.440 out of a truck, and the guy'd come out and 886 00:50:09.559 --> 00:50:12.599 pretend to have a lisp and go, well, what do 887 00:50:12.639 --> 00:50:16.679 you think it comes from? A ha haaa helicopter. Kid's 888 00:50:16.719 --> 00:50:20.239 hilarious and so like I made a hundred bucks that day. 889 00:50:20.280 --> 00:50:22.679 I was like this is And so finally I'm like, 890 00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:24.400 let's get go out of here. Let's just go back 891 00:50:24.400 --> 00:50:26.719 to the beach town that it came from. And uh, 892 00:50:26.960 --> 00:50:29.400 you know, I started teaching surf lessons and then all 893 00:50:29.400 --> 00:50:31.400 of a sudden I was just like flush with cash, 894 00:50:31.519 --> 00:50:35.239 hanging out the beach all day, just being James, the 895 00:50:35.320 --> 00:50:38.639 you know, the ultimate giver and telling everybody everything they 896 00:50:38.679 --> 00:50:41.679 could possibly know about surfing until they're like standing in 897 00:50:41.760 --> 00:50:44.239 the parking lot and it's dark and it's two hours 898 00:50:44.320 --> 00:50:47.239 later and still talking about surfing. And so there's a 899 00:50:47.280 --> 00:50:51.920 perfect place for an overgiver. And started my surf school 900 00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:54.760 and was super stoked on that. And I was a 901 00:50:55.239 --> 00:50:58.159 super into teaching skate lessons and and did that for 902 00:50:58.280 --> 00:51:00.400 parks and rec and Santa Barbara for a while at 903 00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:03.880 the skate park as well, and yeah, I just kind 904 00:51:03.920 --> 00:51:05.480 of just wanted to let it go. It was just 905 00:51:05.639 --> 00:51:08.039 like so sick of being obsessed with the you ofos, 906 00:51:08.320 --> 00:51:11.039 just wanted to go surfing and just have a good time. 907 00:51:11.199 --> 00:51:13.599 And so me and the Deadly Diving we found this 908 00:51:13.719 --> 00:51:16.199 awesome little ranch house and we were pumped on it. 909 00:51:16.360 --> 00:51:19.880 Another perfect place. Oh what a surprise. And it had 910 00:51:19.920 --> 00:51:22.920 these little orange trees and it was on Romero Canyon 911 00:51:23.440 --> 00:51:26.199 and Montecito just sort of at the bottom and was 912 00:51:26.360 --> 00:51:29.800 just right around in our affordability, which is still was 913 00:51:29.880 --> 00:51:33.159 too much. And it was a really nice little cottage 914 00:51:33.199 --> 00:51:35.599 with three other little cottages on it, and it was 915 00:51:35.639 --> 00:51:38.400 almost an acre itself, but it was all just bare 916 00:51:38.519 --> 00:51:42.119 grass with some fruit trees. The landlord was an eccentric 917 00:51:42.199 --> 00:51:44.559 guy from Bakersfield, and then the lease it said he 918 00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:47.039 got to come once a month and pick fruit, which 919 00:51:47.199 --> 00:51:49.880 he always did at exactly noon, which was also in 920 00:51:49.960 --> 00:51:52.039 the lease. So it's kind of an interesting little spot 921 00:51:52.400 --> 00:51:55.360 with all these little avocado trees on the outside of it, 922 00:51:55.760 --> 00:51:59.480 and the Romero saddle and the bluffs in the background, 923 00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:02.159 and all my surfboards and stuff for my surf squad. 924 00:52:02.159 --> 00:52:04.639 I was like, this is great. We got two healer 925 00:52:04.760 --> 00:52:08.079 puppies and just you know, felt like we were just 926 00:52:08.519 --> 00:52:10.960 starting this amazing life. I mean, it was probably one 927 00:52:10.960 --> 00:52:13.639 of the most exciting times of my whole life, really, probably, 928 00:52:14.239 --> 00:52:16.800 I don't know. A couple months after being there, I 929 00:52:16.920 --> 00:52:20.239 was hanging out with a surf photographer who was from 930 00:52:20.320 --> 00:52:23.840 New York and we were shooting bb guns over at 931 00:52:23.920 --> 00:52:26.199 my property, and then we went over to his house 932 00:52:26.519 --> 00:52:29.840 and we were in the chacuzzie talking in summerland and 933 00:52:29.960 --> 00:52:32.480 he said, hey, man, tell me that UFO story again, 934 00:52:33.400 --> 00:52:35.960 you know, kind of in his New York accent, And 935 00:52:36.679 --> 00:52:38.800 you know, I'm there with the Deadly Diamond and his 936 00:52:39.039 --> 00:52:42.280 lady and a couple other really you know, well known surfers, 937 00:52:42.360 --> 00:52:45.280 and so I'm kind of like okay, and so I 938 00:52:45.480 --> 00:52:47.480 tell a story and at the end he kind of 939 00:52:47.519 --> 00:52:50.039 interrupted me, and he goes, hey, you know, you shouldn't 940 00:52:50.079 --> 00:52:53.159 tell people that was UFO. You don't know it was UFO. 941 00:52:53.440 --> 00:52:56.760 That could have been military, Like, you just don't know, man, 942 00:52:56.800 --> 00:52:59.599 you shouldn't go around telling people stuff like that you 943 00:52:59.679 --> 00:53:04.719 don't really know what it was. And after so much 944 00:53:04.840 --> 00:53:08.480 research rapture for such a long time, and after being 945 00:53:08.599 --> 00:53:11.639 such a big advocate of going around thinking I had 946 00:53:11.679 --> 00:53:15.800 a galactic responsibility to tell people this, to up the 947 00:53:16.079 --> 00:53:20.159 consciousness of humanity, just like throwing mud, you know, at 948 00:53:20.199 --> 00:53:22.639 the swamp. I said, you know what, man, I'm out here. 949 00:53:23.039 --> 00:53:25.000 I don't really want to hear it. I'm not even 950 00:53:25.039 --> 00:53:26.480 going to go there with you, you know what I mean. 951 00:53:26.480 --> 00:53:28.840 I respect your respect, your home, but I'm done any good. 952 00:53:28.920 --> 00:53:30.679 And so he changed this too, and he's like, oh, 953 00:53:30.760 --> 00:53:33.480 come on, comar, it's just busting your chops. Da da da, 954 00:53:33.639 --> 00:53:36.400 And I was like, no, you don't understand that. Hit 955 00:53:36.480 --> 00:53:38.960 the tender button. We're out of here. So we jump 956 00:53:39.039 --> 00:53:42.280 in my black Dodge truck at the time, and we 957 00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:46.280 headed down Ortega Hill, which where we lived was just 958 00:53:46.400 --> 00:53:50.199 like less than a mile away. And as we're driving down, I'm, 959 00:53:50.320 --> 00:53:52.480 you know, talking to the Deadly Diamond. I'm going into 960 00:53:52.519 --> 00:53:55.280 one of my adhd rants, and I'm like, he doesn't 961 00:53:55.320 --> 00:53:59.679 know what he's talking about. Aliens this, and you know, 962 00:53:59.840 --> 00:54:02.840 I know what happened, and I may telepath. I mean, 963 00:54:02.920 --> 00:54:04.840 how could you know? And no one's ever going to 964 00:54:04.960 --> 00:54:07.320 understand my experience. And then we get down to the 965 00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:12.159 bottom and there's this giant white owl that at the time, 966 00:54:12.239 --> 00:54:14.039 I want to say was four feet tall and it 967 00:54:14.199 --> 00:54:17.039 just sounds ridiculous, and it was just sitting there in 968 00:54:17.159 --> 00:54:20.599 this one really awesome branch that centered it right in 969 00:54:20.639 --> 00:54:23.679 the middle of this fat coastal oak, and it was 970 00:54:23.840 --> 00:54:26.679 just dead still, like it was almost a mannequin or something. 971 00:54:27.480 --> 00:54:30.559 And my reaction was one of just all of the 972 00:54:30.719 --> 00:54:34.079 paranoia and then all of the research, and then also 973 00:54:34.199 --> 00:54:38.920 feeling tracked. And I almost felt, oh, no, damn, Aliens, 974 00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:41.400 they found me. And I didn't say that, but I 975 00:54:41.599 --> 00:54:44.719 just yelled out gay little finger, and all of a 976 00:54:44.800 --> 00:54:47.079 sudden I peeled out around it because I wanted to 977 00:54:47.119 --> 00:54:50.239 scare it, but it didn't even move. It didn't even flinch, 978 00:54:50.360 --> 00:54:53.639 didn't even blink. And so I fly down and there's 979 00:54:53.719 --> 00:54:55.639 this little bridge that has a little hump in it 980 00:54:55.800 --> 00:54:57.440 or whatever, and I got a little air on that 981 00:54:57.559 --> 00:54:59.800 because I'd like to do that sometimes, because I've driven 982 00:54:59.800 --> 00:55:02.559 those road since high school. Pop around the corner, get 983 00:55:02.599 --> 00:55:05.280 out of the car, just totally forgot about it and 984 00:55:05.559 --> 00:55:08.880 go to bed. Well, it was probably midnight at this 985 00:55:09.000 --> 00:55:10.960 point and we were in the jacuzzi, so I drank 986 00:55:11.000 --> 00:55:13.679 a ton of water and went to bit naked, and 987 00:55:14.159 --> 00:55:17.199 I woke up at two or three o'clock in the morning, 988 00:55:17.639 --> 00:55:23.000 and that's when I went over outside to my little 989 00:55:23.039 --> 00:55:25.320 peepe rock. I had a spot way out on the 990 00:55:25.400 --> 00:55:27.840 fence where I would just, you know, just do some 991 00:55:28.360 --> 00:55:31.360 some mild nudity and just kind of go over there 992 00:55:31.719 --> 00:55:34.719 and stand in the moonlight and just kind of enjoy 993 00:55:34.840 --> 00:55:37.559 the rustle of the avocado trees and peel on this 994 00:55:37.599 --> 00:55:40.840 little rocks neck to the fence where nobody could really 995 00:55:40.880 --> 00:55:43.519 see me over there, just but it's all bare, so 996 00:55:43.639 --> 00:55:45.559 it's like, you know, if you're walking around, you can 997 00:55:45.639 --> 00:55:47.480 see me. So I was trying to conceal myself a 998 00:55:47.480 --> 00:55:48.800 little bit, but it's the middle of the night, and 999 00:55:48.800 --> 00:55:50.440 I've been doing it for a while, it didn't matter 1000 00:55:50.519 --> 00:55:52.519 to me. And I'm sitting there peeing and I'm looking 1001 00:55:52.719 --> 00:55:56.599 and look up and there's like these two stars and 1002 00:55:56.679 --> 00:56:01.719 they were twinkling really really bright. Remember this weird feeling 1003 00:56:02.079 --> 00:56:06.000 of they were friendly stars. It was just like this 1004 00:56:06.239 --> 00:56:09.280 abstract thought of like friendly stars. What the hell does 1005 00:56:09.320 --> 00:56:12.400 not even meet friendly stars? And then you know, the 1006 00:56:12.519 --> 00:56:15.280 time of me a lapsed peeing was I don't know, 1007 00:56:16.519 --> 00:56:20.239 a minute, not even that. And so I turned around, 1008 00:56:20.840 --> 00:56:23.880 I'm barefoot, you know, obviously, to walk back, and I 1009 00:56:23.960 --> 00:56:25.960 see that all the lights are on in the house 1010 00:56:26.159 --> 00:56:28.800 and the doors wide open to her bedroom and there's 1011 00:56:28.800 --> 00:56:31.559 somebody standing in there, and I can almost see the 1012 00:56:31.639 --> 00:56:33.800 deadly Diamond on the end of the bed. I'm just 1013 00:56:33.920 --> 00:56:36.199 like what And the dogs come rush out to me, 1014 00:56:37.159 --> 00:56:41.079 and I walk over and cover my Pepe, and I'm 1015 00:56:41.159 --> 00:56:43.880 looking and there's Kenny, one of the tenants, and he 1016 00:56:43.960 --> 00:56:47.400 goes James. We were just about to call the police 1017 00:56:47.760 --> 00:56:50.199 right before he walked up. It was literally about to 1018 00:56:50.280 --> 00:56:54.480 dial the number. The Deadly Diamond was inconsolable. She was 1019 00:56:54.760 --> 00:56:59.280 just crying and crying, and Kenny just had to actually 1020 00:56:59.400 --> 00:57:02.880 talk for her, and he was saying, you know, hey, 1021 00:57:03.239 --> 00:57:06.639 we looked this whole property and we couldn't find you anywhere. 1022 00:57:07.000 --> 00:57:08.920 I mean, we look up and down the streets. I 1023 00:57:09.039 --> 00:57:12.760 looked every single corner, yelling out James, James. He even 1024 00:57:12.880 --> 00:57:14.920 like did a couple of those calls in the room, 1025 00:57:14.920 --> 00:57:18.519 which was really WHOA was it ready for that? So 1026 00:57:18.639 --> 00:57:21.559 I finally got some clothes on. I told Kenny to 1027 00:57:21.639 --> 00:57:23.920 go home. I told him that they were crazy, that 1028 00:57:24.039 --> 00:57:25.960 there was no way that I had gone for forty 1029 00:57:26.039 --> 00:57:28.679 five minutes. It was gone for maybe three minutes tops, 1030 00:57:28.760 --> 00:57:30.599 and I was over there in the corner, and you 1031 00:57:30.679 --> 00:57:32.719 know what, I was so tired at that point. I 1032 00:57:32.880 --> 00:57:35.280 was sick of arguing with him about it. There was 1033 00:57:35.440 --> 00:57:38.480 no way that I was gone for forty five minutes. 1034 00:57:38.559 --> 00:57:41.960 It's just impossible that I just went back to bed. 1035 00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:45.000 And so the Deadly Diamond said that right before she 1036 00:57:45.119 --> 00:57:47.679 went back to bed, she looked and there was a 1037 00:57:47.760 --> 00:57:51.719 white Labrador with big black eyes looking back up at 1038 00:57:51.760 --> 00:57:53.880 her from the center of the bottom of the bed, 1039 00:57:54.599 --> 00:57:56.880 and that she knew it wasn't one of our healer puppies, 1040 00:57:57.400 --> 00:57:59.480 but I didn't find that out until the morning. So 1041 00:57:59.599 --> 00:58:01.440 I wake up in the morning, she tells me this 1042 00:58:01.599 --> 00:58:03.960 crazy story like as soon as she wakes up about 1043 00:58:04.039 --> 00:58:07.719 this white lab with big black eyes. I'm trying to 1044 00:58:07.800 --> 00:58:11.920 like imagine Snoopy or something, you know, giant fly glasses 1045 00:58:11.960 --> 00:58:14.280 from Bernie Man or something like what the what did 1046 00:58:14.400 --> 00:58:17.039 she see? And so I start kind of investigating the 1047 00:58:17.079 --> 00:58:20.159 property and I looked at all of the doorknobs on 1048 00:58:20.239 --> 00:58:23.400 the house and all of them were on their last thread. 1049 00:58:24.239 --> 00:58:26.559 And it was so fascinating because I spent like two 1050 00:58:26.679 --> 00:58:30.000 hours before I actually did any work and just had 1051 00:58:30.039 --> 00:58:32.880 a flashlight and had a little measuring tape and I 1052 00:58:33.000 --> 00:58:35.519 was like, wow, this one. And I went over to 1053 00:58:35.599 --> 00:58:38.079 the next one. I was like, what this one. There 1054 00:58:38.199 --> 00:58:41.320 was like four door knobs on that house, and some 1055 00:58:41.440 --> 00:58:43.280 of them were loose when we moved in, and I 1056 00:58:43.400 --> 00:58:45.039 did tighten them up, but the fact that they were 1057 00:58:45.079 --> 00:58:48.159 all the way out and on the very last thread 1058 00:58:49.519 --> 00:58:52.119 made me think that the house was vibrated in the 1059 00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:54.400 middle of the night. And I was just really trying 1060 00:58:54.440 --> 00:58:57.960 to wrap my head around that whole experience. Just even 1061 00:58:58.079 --> 00:59:00.400 years later, I called up The Deadly Diamond. I was like, Hey, 1062 00:59:00.440 --> 00:59:02.880 can you explain what happened that night, and I had 1063 00:59:03.039 --> 00:59:07.400 forgotten about the AWL, just a conversation with the photographer. 1064 00:59:08.000 --> 00:59:10.880 All I really remembered was just the friendly stars. 1065 00:59:18.960 --> 00:59:22.440 Are you intrigued by paranormal talk radio? You love the 1066 00:59:22.519 --> 00:59:27.199 new Paranormal Radio app from talkstream Live. You'll find a 1067 00:59:27.239 --> 00:59:31.760 great selection of talk shows covering UFOs, ghosts, strange phenomena, 1068 00:59:32.159 --> 00:59:35.719 and much more. Download the Paranormal Radio app now and 1069 00:59:35.840 --> 00:59:39.000 start listening to the very best in paranormal talk entertainment, 1070 00:59:39.400 --> 00:59:42.719 including the network you're listening to right now. The Paranormal 1071 00:59:42.840 --> 00:59:46.920 Radio app free in Google Play and the iOS app Store. 1072 00:59:52.760 --> 00:59:57.000 So some time goes by me and the Deadly Diamond 1073 00:59:57.320 --> 01:00:03.000 sort of dissolve, end up in this place of kind 1074 01:00:03.000 --> 01:00:07.199 of went into this dark place of just dating lots 1075 01:00:07.239 --> 01:00:10.360 of women and not letting them know and sort of 1076 01:00:10.480 --> 01:00:15.559 being in a you know, perpetual revolving door at that point, 1077 01:00:16.360 --> 01:00:19.599 and I felt like a lot of my sexuality had 1078 01:00:19.639 --> 01:00:22.159 sort of been like heightened. But I had always been 1079 01:00:22.239 --> 01:00:24.760 that way since a kid, and my parents didn't know 1080 01:00:24.800 --> 01:00:26.639 what to do with me in middle school. They're afraid 1081 01:00:26.639 --> 01:00:28.440 I was going to get some girl pregnant. When I 1082 01:00:28.559 --> 01:00:31.039 was living in Virginia, So they sort of kept being 1083 01:00:31.119 --> 01:00:35.519 locked away all the time. You're grounded why because I 1084 01:00:35.599 --> 01:00:39.480 said so? And so I ended up dating a girl 1085 01:00:39.559 --> 01:00:43.320 from Santa Cruz that we call the Mermaid, and those 1086 01:00:43.400 --> 01:00:47.719 two relationships sort of intersected themselves. It just all that 1087 01:00:47.920 --> 01:00:49.639 just kind of blew up in my face like shit. 1088 01:00:49.719 --> 01:00:52.880 Eventually the Mermaid caught onto what was going on. Yeah, 1089 01:00:52.880 --> 01:00:56.960 At one point, I remember I went and told my 1090 01:00:57.159 --> 01:01:01.039 UFO story at a bar with some girl and one 1091 01:01:01.119 --> 01:01:03.760 that I knew one that I didn't know, and I 1092 01:01:03.880 --> 01:01:05.760 was with a friend and I was trying to help 1093 01:01:05.840 --> 01:01:08.480 him find somebody, and that's it was. Sort of it 1094 01:01:08.599 --> 01:01:11.480 was a blind date. And then the next thing I knew, 1095 01:01:11.480 --> 01:01:13.480 we had some drinks and I started getting into my 1096 01:01:13.639 --> 01:01:17.239 uhle story and I was wearing her pants as we 1097 01:01:17.360 --> 01:01:23.239 had changed pants, and then we were hanging out on 1098 01:01:23.320 --> 01:01:26.000 the beach, we were jumping in the water. It just 1099 01:01:26.199 --> 01:01:29.119 it just turned into this crazy night where I ended 1100 01:01:29.239 --> 01:01:31.360 up in bed with two girls and I made one 1101 01:01:31.440 --> 01:01:34.559 hundred pounds of sand, and the Mermaid had come looking, 1102 01:01:34.800 --> 01:01:38.159 and the girl that had set up the blind date 1103 01:01:38.239 --> 01:01:40.519 that I knew locked the door because she had a 1104 01:01:40.559 --> 01:01:43.320 feeling that that girl the Mermaid might show up, and 1105 01:01:44.000 --> 01:01:46.880 it just it just turned into this horrific thing. And 1106 01:01:46.960 --> 01:01:49.480 then I had to leave Santa Cruz and I just 1107 01:01:49.599 --> 01:01:52.760 got really morbid, and then I got kind of suicidal 1108 01:01:52.880 --> 01:01:56.400 about it and started kind of planning my suicide and 1109 01:01:57.480 --> 01:01:59.519 then try to go through with it, and then failing 1110 01:01:59.599 --> 01:02:02.599 at that, and then feeling like somebody with ADHD is 1111 01:02:02.719 --> 01:02:05.599 constantly feeling and everything. Oh, here's just one more thing 1112 01:02:05.679 --> 01:02:08.280 you can add to your list that you're not good at. Yeah, 1113 01:02:08.320 --> 01:02:10.400 it just kind of put me in a dark place. 1114 01:02:10.519 --> 01:02:13.760 My stepfather had a last conversation with me too, as 1115 01:02:13.760 --> 01:02:16.119 he ended up drinking himself to death and dying of 1116 01:02:16.199 --> 01:02:18.639 a heart attack and saying wanted to go hunting one 1117 01:02:18.679 --> 01:02:22.440 more time. And so yeah, I was just in this 1118 01:02:22.599 --> 01:02:24.960 dark place for a long time. And then I left 1119 01:02:25.000 --> 01:02:27.679 Santa Cruz and started living in my pop up camper 1120 01:02:28.519 --> 01:02:30.840 and it was sort of haunted by owls for a 1121 01:02:30.920 --> 01:02:34.119 long time. I thought it had something to do with 1122 01:02:34.400 --> 01:02:38.719 the spiritual karma of infidelity, that the owl was a 1123 01:02:38.800 --> 01:02:42.800 representation of self deception. So I would be on the 1124 01:02:42.880 --> 01:02:45.239 freeway and then now would hit me or I would 1125 01:02:45.320 --> 01:02:48.519 you know, just they just kept being around me all 1126 01:02:48.679 --> 01:02:51.880 the time, driving me absolutely crazy, thinking that it was 1127 01:02:52.000 --> 01:02:56.199 a Native American kind of like spiritual medicine. And I 1128 01:02:56.320 --> 01:02:59.519 just hadn't learned my lesson, and here I was deceiving 1129 01:02:59.639 --> 01:03:03.280 people and I wasn't being honest with them about a 1130 01:03:03.400 --> 01:03:07.360 certain part of my life. And so yeah, it was 1131 01:03:07.440 --> 01:03:11.199 just really depressed. I was living behind Ringcon Point in 1132 01:03:11.280 --> 01:03:13.800 my pop up camper. I had gotten a German shepherd 1133 01:03:13.880 --> 01:03:19.480 at that point off of Craigslist named Sage and as 1134 01:03:19.519 --> 01:03:23.000 a suicide prevention, because I felt like Jesus, I need 1135 01:03:23.119 --> 01:03:25.400 some eyeballs on me. I grew up with dogs in 1136 01:03:25.519 --> 01:03:29.079 Virginia and had to leave them after my stepfather sort 1137 01:03:29.119 --> 01:03:31.480 of threatened to kill us if we left, and so 1138 01:03:31.599 --> 01:03:34.159 I never got to see my border collies again. And 1139 01:03:34.360 --> 01:03:36.559 so I needed to get back on that train and 1140 01:03:36.679 --> 01:03:42.159 get back being connected. And so one night after surfing 1141 01:03:42.239 --> 01:03:45.039 ring Con waves are really good. It was like double 1142 01:03:45.119 --> 01:03:49.280 overhead pumping the waves. When you're out there, it feels 1143 01:03:49.320 --> 01:03:50.960 like you're in a river. You're just trying to stay 1144 01:03:51.000 --> 01:03:53.960 in one spot. So I was exhausted, and I had 1145 01:03:54.039 --> 01:03:57.039 surfed into the dark for almost two hours at that point, 1146 01:03:57.320 --> 01:03:59.360 and so I was in my wet suit. I got 1147 01:03:59.400 --> 01:04:03.199 in my Toyota Tundra at the time with a pop 1148 01:04:03.280 --> 01:04:06.159 up camper on the back, and so in the wet suit, 1149 01:04:06.320 --> 01:04:09.599 drove around, got in the pop up camper with my 1150 01:04:09.679 --> 01:04:13.079 wet suit, peeled out, went to bed. This is around 1151 01:04:13.119 --> 01:04:16.960 twenty sixteen. At this point, I just woke up in 1152 01:04:17.039 --> 01:04:20.159 the dream and all of a sudden, I was just 1153 01:04:20.519 --> 01:04:26.840 standing in this huge, huge industrial building where everything was circular. 1154 01:04:26.880 --> 01:04:28.800 There are no flat lines, and so it was like 1155 01:04:28.880 --> 01:04:31.639 this big two It was like the size of the 1156 01:04:31.719 --> 01:04:34.320 Super Bowl. I mean, these ceilings were huge. It was 1157 01:04:34.320 --> 01:04:38.360 almost like a purplish pastel color, and it was damp. 1158 01:04:38.960 --> 01:04:41.599 Wasn't dark, but it was this weird kind of twilight. 1159 01:04:42.440 --> 01:04:44.880 And when I looked down, I was naked, and I 1160 01:04:44.920 --> 01:04:47.960 could see that there was this rolling fog that was 1161 01:04:48.039 --> 01:04:50.920 on the ground, and I remember my first impression was 1162 01:04:51.119 --> 01:04:54.119 it looks like hamburger meat, you know, like red hamburger meat, 1163 01:04:54.119 --> 01:04:56.880 where it's all kind of air laid together. It had 1164 01:04:56.920 --> 01:05:01.639 this perfect symmetrical pattern. I remember raising my head up 1165 01:05:01.679 --> 01:05:05.280 and looking forward and I saw this kind of oval 1166 01:05:05.639 --> 01:05:09.760 door with a blue pastel color, and I was really 1167 01:05:09.920 --> 01:05:12.199 drawn to it, and so I sort of just kind 1168 01:05:12.239 --> 01:05:15.719 of like glided along. I also had this feeling of 1169 01:05:15.840 --> 01:05:19.239 like where is everybody? Like why is this such a 1170 01:05:19.440 --> 01:05:22.880 like strange space, Like there should be lots of people here, 1171 01:05:23.159 --> 01:05:24.800 you know. It was almost like I felt like people 1172 01:05:24.840 --> 01:05:27.519 were hiding from me. Well, I finally made it up 1173 01:05:27.599 --> 01:05:31.760 into the room, and when I went through the circle 1174 01:05:32.480 --> 01:05:35.599 door or whatever, I got in and everything was round. 1175 01:05:35.960 --> 01:05:38.400 The floor was round, and it was kind of like 1176 01:05:38.519 --> 01:05:42.840 this kind of doughnut shaped room with the risen top. 1177 01:05:43.320 --> 01:05:45.599 And then I'm standing in the center of the room 1178 01:05:45.719 --> 01:05:49.840 and everything's just this blue color, and my feet all 1179 01:05:49.880 --> 01:05:53.440 of a sudden just rise up without me doing anything, 1180 01:05:54.320 --> 01:05:57.119 and I'm horizontal, and then I flowed up into the 1181 01:05:57.199 --> 01:06:00.639 middle of the room and then I just felt these hot, 1182 01:06:00.920 --> 01:06:05.639 invisible hot water mattresses. I don't know how to explain it, 1183 01:06:06.199 --> 01:06:09.880 just smash me into what felt like a mold. And 1184 01:06:10.000 --> 01:06:14.280 then I remember thinking I need to scream, and I 1185 01:06:14.400 --> 01:06:17.119 couldn't use my voice box, and I almost felt like 1186 01:06:17.280 --> 01:06:20.960 I was being suffocated. I've done a little bit of 1187 01:06:21.360 --> 01:06:25.360 caverning and being in really small spaces and I like 1188 01:06:25.480 --> 01:06:28.920 it because it freaks me out so bad, and so 1189 01:06:29.639 --> 01:06:32.760 I just kept trying to scream over and over and over, 1190 01:06:33.119 --> 01:06:37.639 and finally I woke up in my RV or my 1191 01:06:37.719 --> 01:06:40.880 pop up camper and at the top bunk and with 1192 01:06:41.079 --> 01:06:43.719 my German shepherd right next to me and a grain 1193 01:06:43.840 --> 01:06:47.840 sleeping bag, and I just screamed, and I was like, 1194 01:06:48.480 --> 01:06:50.320 you know, it's just trying to use that part of 1195 01:06:50.440 --> 01:06:52.800 my throat, as it had not had any use in 1196 01:06:52.880 --> 01:06:56.360 the dream. And so the German shepherd looked at me, 1197 01:06:56.400 --> 01:06:58.559 and she came over and gave me a kiss kind 1198 01:06:58.599 --> 01:07:01.519 of you know, did little circle and sat back down. 1199 01:07:02.239 --> 01:07:05.800 And then I took my flashlight and I had it 1200 01:07:06.159 --> 01:07:07.840 sort of playing with it, and I look over it 1201 01:07:08.000 --> 01:07:12.320 without turning it on. There's just this man in the 1202 01:07:12.440 --> 01:07:15.280 car with me, and he has this gray head, and 1203 01:07:15.400 --> 01:07:20.000 he's got these veins and sparse bits of hair, almost 1204 01:07:20.119 --> 01:07:24.079 like he's balding. And his head's down and his hands 1205 01:07:24.119 --> 01:07:26.239 are on top of his head, so he can't make 1206 01:07:26.320 --> 01:07:29.360 out his eyes or anything, and he's just sitting there 1207 01:07:29.920 --> 01:07:34.079 with this gray skin, and I'm worried for him, and 1208 01:07:34.159 --> 01:07:36.599 I'm upset, and I'm almost wondering if he's me, and 1209 01:07:36.639 --> 01:07:38.599 I'm having all these weird thoughts, and so I get 1210 01:07:38.639 --> 01:07:41.280 the flashlight and I turn it on and he disappears. 1211 01:07:42.199 --> 01:07:46.000 I turned the flashlight off and it reappears. And I 1212 01:07:46.079 --> 01:07:49.679 did that seven times. Finally, I just took my flashlight 1213 01:07:49.719 --> 01:07:52.840 and just threw it and I just looked at him 1214 01:07:52.880 --> 01:07:56.519 for a while and just tried to just comfort him. 1215 01:07:56.880 --> 01:08:00.440 I was so worried about him, and I was just going, Wow, 1216 01:08:01.039 --> 01:08:05.000 these great aliens, they do have characteristics to them. Look 1217 01:08:05.039 --> 01:08:08.440 at this shit. There's veins and stuff. This isn't just opaque, 1218 01:08:08.599 --> 01:08:10.840 you know. And so anyways, that was a weird moment. 1219 01:08:11.039 --> 01:08:13.800 And then I go back to sleep because I was like, 1220 01:08:13.840 --> 01:08:15.639 what am I gonna do about this thing in the car? 1221 01:08:15.719 --> 01:08:17.760 And the thing that was so freaky is that the 1222 01:08:17.840 --> 01:08:20.399 dog didn't even notice. And it was just clear as 1223 01:08:20.479 --> 01:08:21.960 day to me. I mean, it was just it was 1224 01:08:22.119 --> 01:08:25.479 right there, and somehow or night, somehow or another light 1225 01:08:25.840 --> 01:08:29.199 just made it disappear as soon as I turned the 1226 01:08:29.239 --> 01:08:32.720 switch on the flashlight, like I was switching the image 1227 01:08:32.800 --> 01:08:35.720 off and on in my mind with the flashlight. So 1228 01:08:36.039 --> 01:08:39.199 at this point I just kind of freaked out by 1229 01:08:39.880 --> 01:08:44.079 aliens and UFOs and not really doing very much art, 1230 01:08:44.359 --> 01:08:46.840 and I'm sort of just feeling like this whole thing 1231 01:08:47.039 --> 01:08:51.760 is pretty dark and hard to follow. I finally end 1232 01:08:51.880 --> 01:08:54.760 up in a place in Santa Barbara where I rented 1233 01:08:54.800 --> 01:08:57.359 a room that was a hundred square feet that was 1234 01:08:57.399 --> 01:08:59.880 already furnished. Because I've been living on the road for years. 1235 01:09:00.000 --> 01:09:02.720 At that point, my mom was begging me to not 1236 01:09:02.840 --> 01:09:06.119 be quote unquote homeless anymore, even though a house with 1237 01:09:06.159 --> 01:09:08.359 wheels is the happiest I've ever been in my life, 1238 01:09:08.399 --> 01:09:10.720 as I would just go from surf spot to skatespot 1239 01:09:10.840 --> 01:09:13.359 to Whole Foods and sort of had a gym membership 1240 01:09:13.439 --> 01:09:15.560 and everything sort of figured out, or at least it 1241 01:09:15.600 --> 01:09:18.159 felt like it until it got really cold out. I 1242 01:09:18.399 --> 01:09:23.319 ended up having this dream probably two years later, where 1243 01:09:24.319 --> 01:09:28.520 I was driving my van that I bought. I traded 1244 01:09:28.560 --> 01:09:33.199 in the Tundra for a nineteen eighty three G twenty 1245 01:09:33.560 --> 01:09:37.960 Chevy van just like the A Team, and I was 1246 01:09:38.000 --> 01:09:40.039 in the dream and I took the van and I 1247 01:09:40.279 --> 01:09:42.920 just drove it up onto some grass in front of 1248 01:09:43.039 --> 01:09:45.680 this weird hotel that I felt like i'd been to, 1249 01:09:46.439 --> 01:09:48.640 and my dad was in the car, and I'm just 1250 01:09:48.760 --> 01:09:52.600 like wow. I guess for me, I've never had my 1251 01:09:52.840 --> 01:09:56.880 dad actually come into my environment. It's always been the opposite. 1252 01:09:57.000 --> 01:10:00.760 Where I go into his and so I was just laborgastic, 1253 01:10:00.840 --> 01:10:02.880 you know, and this is an opportunity, you know, to 1254 01:10:02.960 --> 01:10:05.560 connect with him. And I said, I'm going to tell 1255 01:10:05.560 --> 01:10:08.960 you the most amazing science fiction movie you've ever heard, 1256 01:10:09.560 --> 01:10:12.640 And in my brain, I was, what's that? And so 1257 01:10:12.960 --> 01:10:15.560 all of a sudden, it's just this series of images 1258 01:10:15.640 --> 01:10:18.520 as I wasn't really telling the story, but I was 1259 01:10:18.560 --> 01:10:22.359 being like sort of pulled through it. And one of 1260 01:10:22.439 --> 01:10:25.159 the things that was fascinating about is it started out 1261 01:10:25.359 --> 01:10:27.680 with me and being sort of in this blue light 1262 01:10:27.920 --> 01:10:31.840 outside of the Earth, probably one hundred miles away or so, 1263 01:10:32.760 --> 01:10:35.159 and I could see the whole Earth and the whole 1264 01:10:35.319 --> 01:10:38.399 thing was on fire, and that there were actually flames 1265 01:10:38.520 --> 01:10:42.159 that were actually coming into outer space, that the Earth 1266 01:10:42.199 --> 01:10:47.279 actually looked an entire cinder. And I just kept commenting 1267 01:10:47.359 --> 01:10:50.399 to myself and just crying at the same time and 1268 01:10:50.600 --> 01:10:53.119 just being like, I can't believe there could be that 1269 01:10:53.279 --> 01:10:56.760 much fire. I mean, it's just what, you know, and 1270 01:10:56.920 --> 01:10:59.600 just thinking about the surface of the Earth and what's there, 1271 01:11:00.000 --> 01:11:05.159 everything being scorched. And then the next kind of images 1272 01:11:05.279 --> 01:11:08.279 that came to me were I'm on the surface and 1273 01:11:10.000 --> 01:11:15.159 it's all bear everything's brown, the sky's brown. The ocean's brown, 1274 01:11:15.600 --> 01:11:19.399 all the rivers are black. There's just these trash heaps everywhere, 1275 01:11:19.680 --> 01:11:23.760 just dotted everywhere, just on fire. There's these cruise ships 1276 01:11:23.800 --> 01:11:27.359 that are just crashed. And there are people longboarding at 1277 01:11:27.520 --> 01:11:33.199 Malibu in Los Angeles in spacesuits that the water is 1278 01:11:33.359 --> 01:11:36.760 just so toxic and they're like hanging ten and like 1279 01:11:36.880 --> 01:11:39.720 moving around and they have these packs on their backs 1280 01:11:39.760 --> 01:11:43.920 and stuff, these like little internal survival suits or whatever, 1281 01:11:44.479 --> 01:11:47.119 and they can't touch the water. And then all of 1282 01:11:47.159 --> 01:11:49.600 a sudden, I kind of went into the story of 1283 01:11:49.880 --> 01:11:53.359 one of these people in the spacesuits, and they live underground, 1284 01:11:53.680 --> 01:11:56.880 and they've been separated from the rich, who somehow or 1285 01:11:56.960 --> 01:12:01.279 another are invertedly responsible for this, or at least the 1286 01:12:01.359 --> 01:12:05.640 two parties believe so. And so all of the super 1287 01:12:05.800 --> 01:12:10.119 rich live in this giant ship that goes around. Sounds 1288 01:12:10.199 --> 01:12:13.600 like Wally from Disney or whatever, right, but it's different. 1289 01:12:13.680 --> 01:12:17.319 It's it's like a human paradise utopia. But they have 1290 01:12:17.560 --> 01:12:20.920 these satellites and stuff that go down and capture people, 1291 01:12:21.279 --> 01:12:25.000 send into dimensions to find other planets and stuff to 1292 01:12:25.479 --> 01:12:29.880 steal those resources to then rebuild Earth, which sounds stupid. 1293 01:12:30.600 --> 01:12:34.720 And so in the dream. The guy gets recruited one 1294 01:12:34.760 --> 01:12:38.199 of these you know, astronaut surfers, goes to some kind 1295 01:12:38.239 --> 01:12:40.279 of flight academy and these are us happening as like 1296 01:12:40.319 --> 01:12:43.079 a quick montage of things, falls in love with the 1297 01:12:43.119 --> 01:12:46.680 girl who's totally out of his league, and his royalty 1298 01:12:47.000 --> 01:12:50.680 who comes from the ship out in orbit, and then 1299 01:12:50.960 --> 01:12:53.880 they get sent on this mission to go to another Earth. 1300 01:12:54.560 --> 01:12:56.920 And when they get there, they show up with this 1301 01:12:57.119 --> 01:13:00.079 giant fleet and it's just like Earth, but it's the 1302 01:13:00.199 --> 01:13:03.399 nineteen nineties and it's pre dial up, and then just 1303 01:13:03.600 --> 01:13:05.720 all of a sudden, there's just sort of this massacre 1304 01:13:05.880 --> 01:13:10.199 and this weird alien invasion, but it's the humans invading humans, 1305 01:13:10.279 --> 01:13:13.000 and it's just really hard to comprehend, and then everyone's 1306 01:13:13.039 --> 01:13:15.920 getting enslaved and there's just all of these really horrible 1307 01:13:15.960 --> 01:13:19.840 feelings of dread, and so the main character, which feels 1308 01:13:19.880 --> 01:13:21.960 like me at this point, just sort of jerks out 1309 01:13:22.000 --> 01:13:24.199 of the situation and tries to leave with the girl, 1310 01:13:25.159 --> 01:13:28.840 but in their machine trying to go back gets broken 1311 01:13:28.960 --> 01:13:32.039 and they're in between time and then they're gonna lose oxygen, 1312 01:13:32.199 --> 01:13:35.319 and then there's this weird gray alien falling around as 1313 01:13:35.359 --> 01:13:38.319 there's this beeping noise, you know, sort of this clock 1314 01:13:38.399 --> 01:13:42.000 as they're gonna die, and they decide to have intercourse, 1315 01:13:42.159 --> 01:13:44.560 and you know, she just sits on top of him, 1316 01:13:44.880 --> 01:13:48.079 and then that's it. Boom, that's the last bit of oxygen. 1317 01:13:48.279 --> 01:13:50.239 And then they both naked because they knew they were 1318 01:13:50.279 --> 01:13:52.560 gonna die and they've been planning it this way. And 1319 01:13:52.640 --> 01:13:57.439 then all of a sudden they're on this mega mothership 1320 01:13:57.920 --> 01:14:01.359 and there's this council of eight praying mantises that are 1321 01:14:01.479 --> 01:14:05.479 like eight feet tall, kind of a greenish pale complexion. 1322 01:14:06.279 --> 01:14:08.840 They have these kind of vampire robes that have these 1323 01:14:08.880 --> 01:14:11.800 little flaps that come out from the top and then 1324 01:14:11.840 --> 01:14:15.319 these little capes. They're all sitting in this cute little 1325 01:14:15.399 --> 01:14:18.840 circle of eight, and there's this metal ball in the 1326 01:14:18.920 --> 01:14:23.079 middle of the room that's huge, but it opens up 1327 01:14:23.199 --> 01:14:25.960 like an eyeball and you can sort of see past, 1328 01:14:26.079 --> 01:14:29.279 present in future, and it's sort of showing the whole 1329 01:14:29.640 --> 01:14:34.159 story of humanity and sort of saying, hey, you know, 1330 01:14:34.399 --> 01:14:37.279 don't go out and mess with life elsewhere in the 1331 01:14:37.439 --> 01:14:41.199 universe that was planted there. There are things that are 1332 01:14:41.319 --> 01:14:44.479 unseen that you don't realize. In order for things to 1333 01:14:44.560 --> 01:14:46.640 be a certain way, and sort of this like really 1334 01:14:46.680 --> 01:14:50.359 strange warning. And so the characters, I don't know if 1335 01:14:50.399 --> 01:14:53.760 they disagree or agree, but they just they get sent back. 1336 01:14:54.079 --> 01:14:56.199 And then the end of the dream, which is even stranger, 1337 01:14:56.600 --> 01:14:59.359 is that the general that sent them out, who is 1338 01:14:59.399 --> 01:15:03.159 a human on the mission to begin with, they're now back, 1339 01:15:03.439 --> 01:15:05.960 but it's been ten thousand years, has turned into an 1340 01:15:06.000 --> 01:15:10.239 AI and has replicated himself and has figured out some 1341 01:15:10.479 --> 01:15:14.680 kind of highway through all of the galaxies in the 1342 01:15:14.800 --> 01:15:18.439 nearby region and is going to continue to keep finding 1343 01:15:18.520 --> 01:15:21.680 all of the Earth in order to steal the resources. 1344 01:15:22.000 --> 01:15:24.760 And so I woke up from that dream and I 1345 01:15:24.920 --> 01:15:28.039 was just did I just witness the apocalypse? What's going 1346 01:15:28.119 --> 01:15:28.520 to happen? 1347 01:15:28.680 --> 01:15:28.720 Like? 1348 01:15:28.840 --> 01:15:31.439 Am I being told of the future? And so that's 1349 01:15:31.479 --> 01:15:33.880 when I decided that I needed to find someoney to 1350 01:15:34.000 --> 01:15:37.239 do some hypnosis with that what in the what the 1351 01:15:37.319 --> 01:15:40.199 heck is locked in my mind? These dreams are just 1352 01:15:40.720 --> 01:15:44.359 so vivid and they're so wild, and they're so colorful, 1353 01:15:45.119 --> 01:15:49.560 and I feel I'm watching a TV. I'm just outside 1354 01:15:49.560 --> 01:15:52.319 of the perspective of the dream. So it's I know 1355 01:15:52.479 --> 01:15:55.239 that I'm dreaming while I'm watching, which is even stranger. 1356 01:15:55.960 --> 01:15:59.840 So I end up just on the Internet browsing around. 1357 01:16:00.119 --> 01:16:03.479 Couple couple weeks later, Lo and behold, I see a 1358 01:16:03.560 --> 01:16:09.520 Vice TV thing about alien abduction hypnosis with Laurie MacDonald 1359 01:16:09.640 --> 01:16:12.920 in Sacramento. And she's got this blonde hair and seems 1360 01:16:13.000 --> 01:16:15.520 like this really nice lady with this soft smile, and 1361 01:16:15.640 --> 01:16:18.720 she's doing this hypnosis with this dude with the mustache, 1362 01:16:18.880 --> 01:16:22.920 older guy, and he has these really really special tears 1363 01:16:23.039 --> 01:16:25.039 at the end and kind of gives her a hug 1364 01:16:25.199 --> 01:16:27.640 and like, actually looks like he's been through something, right, 1365 01:16:28.000 --> 01:16:30.960 And so I started diving into hypnosis, and the more 1366 01:16:31.000 --> 01:16:32.960 I learned about it, the more I got turned off. 1367 01:16:33.039 --> 01:16:36.319 I was like, Okay, most people that do hypnosis or amateurs, 1368 01:16:36.479 --> 01:16:40.279 Oh crap, Okay, most people that do hypnosis you know 1369 01:16:40.600 --> 01:16:43.079 this and that, and people that are more creative are 1370 01:16:43.119 --> 01:16:46.399 more likely to be more hypnotized. And so, you know, 1371 01:16:46.439 --> 01:16:49.439 I was looking up the history of hypnosis and just 1372 01:16:49.520 --> 01:16:53.000 sort of what is this. Is this a pseudoscience or 1373 01:16:53.159 --> 01:16:56.880 is this like actually like a scholarly pursuit that's going on. 1374 01:16:57.600 --> 01:16:59.520 So I sort of stayed on the fence on it, 1375 01:17:00.000 --> 01:17:01.199 and even in this day, it was sort of on 1376 01:17:01.279 --> 01:17:03.439 the fence on it. But decided that just at of 1377 01:17:03.560 --> 01:17:07.000 pure unknowing this, I just I just had to know. 1378 01:17:07.159 --> 01:17:10.319 And after you know, constantly going over Betty and Barney 1379 01:17:10.399 --> 01:17:14.600 Hill's hypnosis stuff, just so fascinated to see what I 1380 01:17:14.680 --> 01:17:17.399 could unlock out of my mind. So I think it 1381 01:17:17.560 --> 01:17:21.119 was probably twenty nineteen or something at this point, and 1382 01:17:21.520 --> 01:17:24.920 I went to Bernie Man. I met a girl and 1383 01:17:25.680 --> 01:17:28.600 told her, Hey, we've got to drive to Sacramento so 1384 01:17:28.720 --> 01:17:31.840 I can do this in person. And so we're going 1385 01:17:31.920 --> 01:17:34.000 to go check out some skate parks and we went 1386 01:17:34.079 --> 01:17:36.479 to go do this. And so when we showed up, 1387 01:17:36.600 --> 01:17:38.600 all right, will you watch sage and I'll be back 1388 01:17:38.640 --> 01:17:41.640 in an hour. So I walked into this office kind 1389 01:17:41.680 --> 01:17:44.640 of down by the river, and you know, I was 1390 01:17:44.680 --> 01:17:46.720 sort of expecting what I was going to see on TV, 1391 01:17:47.119 --> 01:17:49.159 and you know, my thing was going to be recorded, 1392 01:17:49.479 --> 01:17:51.680 and there was going to be somebody drawing, you know, 1393 01:17:51.840 --> 01:17:54.000 my thing. I was paying like two hundred and fifty bucks. 1394 01:17:54.039 --> 01:17:55.439 I was like, Oh, this is a big deal. But 1395 01:17:55.600 --> 01:17:57.960 it was just her, which was fine, and she's having 1396 01:17:57.960 --> 01:17:59.920 a little bit of a coffee fit, and she's a 1397 01:18:00.079 --> 01:18:03.600 normal human being and she was really sweet and she 1398 01:18:03.760 --> 01:18:06.399 had her own owl stories telling me that she'd been 1399 01:18:06.479 --> 01:18:09.880 followed by an owl in Sacramento for for years and 1400 01:18:09.960 --> 01:18:12.199 that the day that she moved out of town, the 1401 01:18:12.359 --> 01:18:16.479 renter that she had gotten in the place afterwards or 1402 01:18:16.520 --> 01:18:19.840 whatever told her that the owl just died instantly. And 1403 01:18:19.920 --> 01:18:21.640 so when she told me her owl story, I just 1404 01:18:21.760 --> 01:18:25.520 immediately had a kinship. I was like, Okay, this is 1405 01:18:25.720 --> 01:18:28.279 this is good. This I can relate to. This that 1406 01:18:28.359 --> 01:18:30.399 makes sense to me. Like I'm having a lot of 1407 01:18:30.439 --> 01:18:32.760 weird owl stuff as well. And you know, she she 1408 01:18:32.880 --> 01:18:35.239 had these really interesting convictions. It was the first person 1409 01:18:35.319 --> 01:18:38.560 I met in the UFO community, like a real investigator. 1410 01:18:38.640 --> 01:18:40.880 And she's like, you got to tell them what the 1411 01:18:41.000 --> 01:18:43.920 rules are. They're not allowed to break the rules. They're 1412 01:18:44.000 --> 01:18:46.960 not allowed to do sexual misconduct, they're not allowed to 1413 01:18:47.039 --> 01:18:50.560 take you without your permission. And I'm starting to think, man, 1414 01:18:51.279 --> 01:18:53.800 I thought I was somebody that knew a lot about UFOs. 1415 01:18:53.840 --> 01:18:57.800 I don't know shit. This This lady is gnarly. I mean, wow, 1416 01:18:58.760 --> 01:19:02.319 you know so much. I know so little. How can 1417 01:19:02.359 --> 01:19:05.039 I start to, you know, get into this learn more? 1418 01:19:05.319 --> 01:19:09.279 And so when we finally did the hypnosis, I was said, 1419 01:19:09.439 --> 01:19:11.920 laid down, and I was She'll never get me to 1420 01:19:12.000 --> 01:19:14.439 go out completely, you know, I just I just don't 1421 01:19:14.439 --> 01:19:16.720 believe that I can really be hypnotized with sort of 1422 01:19:16.760 --> 01:19:18.680 how I went into it. And I think for about 1423 01:19:18.680 --> 01:19:20.840 an hour and a half, I sort of just went 1424 01:19:20.920 --> 01:19:25.000 along with it. I sort of hoping that something would happen, 1425 01:19:25.960 --> 01:19:28.159 and I was kind of at the point where I was, Oh, man, 1426 01:19:28.479 --> 01:19:31.079 how long am I gonna let a girl from burning 1427 01:19:31.159 --> 01:19:34.359 man and the dog outside in the heat? Oh No. 1428 01:19:34.920 --> 01:19:39.760 So that's just when I felt something come right off. 1429 01:19:40.279 --> 01:19:42.840 I think it's my cerebellum, the little bump on the 1430 01:19:42.920 --> 01:19:46.399 back of your head. I felt a spinal cord just 1431 01:19:46.640 --> 01:19:49.359 dangle right off of it, and it kind of felt 1432 01:19:49.479 --> 01:19:51.920 like almost a tird about to fall out of my 1433 01:19:52.000 --> 01:19:55.920 butt or something. It was just this horrible sensation of, uh, 1434 01:19:57.039 --> 01:19:59.279 is it gonna come off? What is it? And these 1435 01:19:59.640 --> 01:20:03.720 three vertebrate I could feel it in My first inclination 1436 01:20:04.359 --> 01:20:08.399 was almost in the matrix when Neo right goes and 1437 01:20:08.720 --> 01:20:10.920 clips into the matrix. It was it was sort of 1438 01:20:11.079 --> 01:20:14.000 like that more grotesque. I could actually see the vertebrae 1439 01:20:14.000 --> 01:20:17.399 and I pushed back into it. And that's immediately when 1440 01:20:17.720 --> 01:20:20.560 I just saw myself in outer space and I just 1441 01:20:20.720 --> 01:20:25.680 saw this huge silver football and had this beautiful blue 1442 01:20:25.800 --> 01:20:28.119 line going right through the middle of it, sort of 1443 01:20:28.199 --> 01:20:31.600 this Elvis blue, and it was huge. It was way 1444 01:20:32.159 --> 01:20:34.520 way big. I mean, I was out in between the 1445 01:20:34.600 --> 01:20:37.319 planets or something in Mars in the background, and this 1446 01:20:37.520 --> 01:20:41.279 thing was eighth the size of Mars or something. It 1447 01:20:41.359 --> 01:20:45.800 was huge, and it was this beautiful silver metal that 1448 01:20:46.039 --> 01:20:49.680 was shining, and it was almost if a football was 1449 01:20:49.800 --> 01:20:52.960 covered in chrome. And then you just broke the middle 1450 01:20:53.039 --> 01:20:56.319 out and then I looked deeper and I could see 1451 01:20:56.399 --> 01:21:00.000 these little silhouettes inside of the blue, like my eye 1452 01:21:00.159 --> 01:21:02.439 turned into binoculars for a second, and they were like 1453 01:21:02.520 --> 01:21:05.560 these little grays almost looking back at me, but have 1454 01:21:05.680 --> 01:21:08.960 different heights, and kind of grouped together in this funny 1455 01:21:09.000 --> 01:21:13.880 little grouping, like they were looking out windows. And I 1456 01:21:14.039 --> 01:21:18.880 all of a sudden sort of got trans muted onto 1457 01:21:19.039 --> 01:21:22.359 a stage at the Emmys, and I was receiving an 1458 01:21:22.399 --> 01:21:25.600 Academy Award, and I was in front of this huge 1459 01:21:25.760 --> 01:21:28.359 audience and all of these people were clapping, and I 1460 01:21:29.520 --> 01:21:33.399 just could not stop convulsively crying, and I was so 1461 01:21:33.640 --> 01:21:36.600 a part of the crowd. I was just delighted. I 1462 01:21:37.239 --> 01:21:41.720 could even feel Laura's feeling of that sensation. Almost this 1463 01:21:42.079 --> 01:21:44.560 light was being lit inside of me and it was 1464 01:21:44.680 --> 01:21:47.439 turning into an inferno, and like we both knew it 1465 01:21:47.560 --> 01:21:50.159 was kind of like go out like a comment. And 1466 01:21:50.680 --> 01:21:53.119 then I like came out of it, and I sort 1467 01:21:53.159 --> 01:21:56.319 of looked at her and I thought to myself, supposed 1468 01:21:56.359 --> 01:21:59.479 to make a movie? What? And then I talked to 1469 01:21:59.520 --> 01:22:02.600 her and what do you think the Academy Award things about? 1470 01:22:02.800 --> 01:22:04.680 And she's like, I don't know, what do you think 1471 01:22:04.720 --> 01:22:05.079 about it? 1472 01:22:05.239 --> 01:22:05.359 You know? 1473 01:22:05.680 --> 01:22:07.399 How can we make this reality? 1474 01:22:07.520 --> 01:22:07.680 You know? 1475 01:22:07.800 --> 01:22:10.279 And she was already manifesting it. Now, It's just like 1476 01:22:10.359 --> 01:22:13.039 that is so bizarre. Am I supposed to be like 1477 01:22:13.159 --> 01:22:16.720 a producer or agent for these things? Is this? Do 1478 01:22:16.840 --> 01:22:18.680 I have like a mission or something? 1479 01:22:18.800 --> 01:22:18.840 Like? 1480 01:22:18.920 --> 01:22:23.720 What is this about? And so I started to then 1481 01:22:24.279 --> 01:22:28.920 have these thoughts and inclinations that yes, not only that, 1482 01:22:29.159 --> 01:22:31.279 but you need to become a screenplay writer, and you're 1483 01:22:31.319 --> 01:22:33.520 gonna come up with this screenplay. And so I came 1484 01:22:33.600 --> 01:22:36.640 up with this idea for Close Encounters of the Bill 1485 01:22:36.760 --> 01:22:39.960 Murray kind, and that Bill Murray would come down as 1486 01:22:40.000 --> 01:22:43.199 an extraterrestrial going to Bernie Man to get to all 1487 01:22:43.239 --> 01:22:47.439 of the billionaires to turn them into funny animals or something, 1488 01:22:47.560 --> 01:22:49.920 and then to just split and then to come back 1489 01:22:50.039 --> 01:22:53.880 years later and give everybody free technology and free energy 1490 01:22:53.960 --> 01:22:56.800 and watch all of the nationalities and all of that 1491 01:22:57.079 --> 01:23:01.680 just completely dissolved instantly as everyone's immediately equal. But when 1492 01:23:01.720 --> 01:23:03.920 he gives the technology to people, he does it when 1493 01:23:04.039 --> 01:23:07.279 they're taking a shit, while people are having sex, while 1494 01:23:07.319 --> 01:23:11.359 people are in a car crash, like just instantaneouly see 1495 01:23:11.479 --> 01:23:15.079 everywhere at all points, giving this free technology, and how 1496 01:23:15.199 --> 01:23:19.760 that just changes humanity and turns it into a human 1497 01:23:19.880 --> 01:23:24.039 paradise versus a big bowl of suffering and only good 1498 01:23:24.119 --> 01:23:26.800 for the few that rise to the top through privilege. 1499 01:23:26.800 --> 01:23:29.640 And so that took me to want to go to school, 1500 01:23:29.720 --> 01:23:32.680 and I took screenplay writing classes, and then I'm working 1501 01:23:32.720 --> 01:23:35.399 with this screenplay writing guy and I'm just trying to 1502 01:23:35.399 --> 01:23:38.159 tell him I'm not dyslexic, but it's seeming pretty obvious, 1503 01:23:38.920 --> 01:23:40.600 and I'm like, hey, man, how come every time I 1504 01:23:40.720 --> 01:23:43.479 do this shit, I suck at everything. None of my 1505 01:23:43.560 --> 01:23:47.439 screenplays work. They all suck. And he's like, well, maybe 1506 01:23:47.479 --> 01:23:50.640 you should be a director. That's it. I'll be a directory. Result. Well, 1507 01:23:50.680 --> 01:23:51.840 if you're going to be a director, you're going to 1508 01:23:51.920 --> 01:23:54.560 learn how to write a screenplay first, and so you know, 1509 01:23:54.640 --> 01:23:57.239 I just kept working on Close Encounters of the Bill 1510 01:23:57.319 --> 01:23:59.319 Murray Kind and I shared it with him, and I 1511 01:23:59.479 --> 01:24:01.279 was just working on it, and I was working on it, 1512 01:24:01.279 --> 01:24:03.199 and I was working on it, and I sort of 1513 01:24:03.239 --> 01:24:05.119 got to this place where I was, Okay, well, if 1514 01:24:05.119 --> 01:24:07.039 I'm going to be a director, then I need to 1515 01:24:07.079 --> 01:24:10.600 go to the Santa Barbara International Film Festival. And I'm 1516 01:24:10.720 --> 01:24:12.760 right here in the middle of town. I can go 1517 01:24:12.840 --> 01:24:14.680 to all of these things. And I went, well, how 1518 01:24:14.680 --> 01:24:17.199 am I going to pay for one of those golden passes? 1519 01:24:17.199 --> 01:24:20.359 I can't afford that shit. That's expensive. And I just 1520 01:24:20.439 --> 01:24:22.720 thought popped in my head, going Craigslist. It's on there 1521 01:24:22.800 --> 01:24:25.079 right now for you, if you're willing to look. And 1522 01:24:25.159 --> 01:24:26.840 I went on there and there was a ticket with 1523 01:24:26.960 --> 01:24:29.399 Brad Pitt's face on it and it was half off 1524 01:24:29.640 --> 01:24:32.840 five hundred bucks or something. I'm like, what, man, I 1525 01:24:32.920 --> 01:24:35.279 got just enough for that, and so I thought maybe 1526 01:24:35.319 --> 01:24:36.720 it was fake. And then all of a sudden, I 1527 01:24:36.760 --> 01:24:39.159 show up at this Starbucks and this lady had this 1528 01:24:39.359 --> 01:24:43.159 medical complication and she couldn't go, and her daughters were 1529 01:24:43.199 --> 01:24:45.439 there and they were really sad. It was like a funeral. 1530 01:24:45.560 --> 01:24:47.119 She was so sad that she wasn't going to be 1531 01:24:47.159 --> 01:24:49.680 able to see it, and sort of like pumped me up. 1532 01:24:50.319 --> 01:24:52.119 And then all of a sudden, I go to the 1533 01:24:52.159 --> 01:24:55.399 film festival and I go see sixty movies. I went 1534 01:24:55.520 --> 01:24:59.159 to absolutely everything, and I was searching for somebody, and 1535 01:24:59.239 --> 01:25:02.760 I had no idea who it was or why. I 1536 01:25:02.920 --> 01:25:05.399 was just gonna wake up at seven o'clock in the 1537 01:25:05.479 --> 01:25:08.840 morning and go to movies and do it all the 1538 01:25:08.920 --> 01:25:10.960 way until ten o'clock at night, and go to all 1539 01:25:11.039 --> 01:25:14.640 the cocktail parties. And it was just really lonely. You know, 1540 01:25:14.760 --> 01:25:17.119 it's like, okay, cool, I couldn't figure out anyone to 1541 01:25:17.159 --> 01:25:19.520 hang out with with, you know, go to a social place, 1542 01:25:19.800 --> 01:25:22.640 remove myself and stand in the corner and just observe. 1543 01:25:23.359 --> 01:25:25.039 And so I was, I don't know what I'm even 1544 01:25:25.119 --> 01:25:27.640 doing here. And then that's when I met a producer 1545 01:25:27.960 --> 01:25:31.960 who had an amazing documentary that year. And I'm standing 1546 01:25:32.079 --> 01:25:35.319 in line and I'm just looking at this dude with 1547 01:25:35.439 --> 01:25:37.800 a bald head and a long beard, his z eazy 1548 01:25:37.920 --> 01:25:40.600 top or something, and he just turns around and he 1549 01:25:40.720 --> 01:25:43.640 just starts staring at me, not like he's flirting with 1550 01:25:43.720 --> 01:25:47.319 me or something, but just really looking deep and I'm 1551 01:25:47.359 --> 01:25:50.840 looking back at him, and then comes in really close 1552 01:25:50.880 --> 01:25:54.239 and he starts siinfelding me where there's that episode of 1553 01:25:54.600 --> 01:25:56.960 where the guy stands too close to everybody. I'm taking 1554 01:25:57.039 --> 01:26:00.960 little steps back. He introduces himself and his director and 1555 01:26:01.039 --> 01:26:04.119 we hit it off super hard, and they invited me 1556 01:26:04.560 --> 01:26:07.920 to their hotel room when they were leaving so that 1557 01:26:08.079 --> 01:26:10.439 I could tell them my UFO story. I wanted to 1558 01:26:10.520 --> 01:26:12.920 tell it to the producer and he seems sort of interested, 1559 01:26:13.279 --> 01:26:16.560 but I wasn't really there to pitch my UFO story. 1560 01:26:17.199 --> 01:26:19.479 I was there to make I was there to make 1561 01:26:19.520 --> 01:26:23.520 the movie for Close Encounters of the Third Time with Bill, 1562 01:26:24.199 --> 01:26:25.720 and I was going to figure out some way of 1563 01:26:25.800 --> 01:26:27.680 getting his one eight hundred number, and I was going 1564 01:26:27.760 --> 01:26:30.239 to make this come into fruition. And so I pitched 1565 01:26:30.279 --> 01:26:34.520 all of my documentary ideas in my UFO documentary to them. 1566 01:26:35.560 --> 01:26:38.199 A couple weeks later, he calls me back and he goes, 1567 01:26:38.279 --> 01:26:40.960 you know what, we want to make a documentary on you. 1568 01:26:41.439 --> 01:26:43.760 We're going to start researching, We're going to break down 1569 01:26:43.800 --> 01:26:47.840 your life, and so all of a sudden, COVID hits. 1570 01:26:47.960 --> 01:26:51.359 Everything gets shut down and we just have this whole 1571 01:26:51.800 --> 01:26:55.479 year or nine months to just completely dive into this. 1572 01:26:55.640 --> 01:26:58.159 And he's a Christian and he's a skeptic. He's not 1573 01:26:58.439 --> 01:27:02.840 really a UFO, but I wouldn't call him a debunker either, 1574 01:27:03.279 --> 01:27:06.920 And so it was a really interesting relationship. And told 1575 01:27:06.960 --> 01:27:09.319 him all about my stepdad and how I'd lived in 1576 01:27:09.439 --> 01:27:11.560 Virginia for seven years and my mom and met this 1577 01:27:11.640 --> 01:27:14.520 guy at a karate studio. Taught me about hunting and 1578 01:27:14.600 --> 01:27:17.600 fishing and never had a job because he had to 1579 01:27:17.640 --> 01:27:20.439 deal with my crazy EIGHTYHD and energy. And they were 1580 01:27:20.520 --> 01:27:22.119 worried that I was going to get hurt all the 1581 01:27:22.199 --> 01:27:23.960 time or something was going to happen to me and 1582 01:27:24.000 --> 01:27:25.880 I was going to get in a fight. And so 1583 01:27:26.000 --> 01:27:28.640 he would take me hunting and fishing constantly all the time, 1584 01:27:28.720 --> 01:27:31.279 all over Virginia and we were just stomping up and 1585 01:27:31.319 --> 01:27:34.159 down the mountains all day long, and you know, it 1586 01:27:34.279 --> 01:27:36.520 was it was it was gnarly. It was like it's 1587 01:27:36.720 --> 01:27:39.399 just like a really gnarly redneck. And you know, maybe 1588 01:27:39.479 --> 01:27:43.560 one time, eat a bowl of mushrooms and tomatoes to 1589 01:27:43.640 --> 01:27:46.039 go night ski. I was like, bro, are we going 1590 01:27:46.079 --> 01:27:47.760 to get in the car and go And he goes, no, no, no, no, 1591 01:27:47.760 --> 01:27:51.840 You're gonna eat that bowl first of mushrooms and tomatoes. 1592 01:27:51.880 --> 01:27:53.479 And I was, no way, I'm going to do that. 1593 01:27:53.880 --> 01:27:55.960 And then the next thing, I know, I want to 1594 01:27:56.000 --> 01:27:57.960 go skiing, and so I started to do it, and 1595 01:27:58.039 --> 01:28:00.399 then I threw up, and he goes, You're going to 1596 01:28:00.479 --> 01:28:03.359 still eat that, because that was the kind of militant 1597 01:28:03.640 --> 01:28:05.920 he was. You know, if I was washing dishes, he'd 1598 01:28:05.960 --> 01:28:08.479 be over my shoulder and if one dish had any 1599 01:28:08.520 --> 01:28:10.159 dirt on it, I'd have to wash all of the 1600 01:28:10.239 --> 01:28:14.079 dishes again, you know, and then he put ranch on it, 1601 01:28:14.159 --> 01:28:16.000 and then I had to eat that. And it was 1602 01:28:16.159 --> 01:28:19.680 just a series of just traumatic experiences with him. And 1603 01:28:20.439 --> 01:28:22.399 you know, the first night that I met him, he 1604 01:28:22.520 --> 01:28:24.279 hung me up by my neck and told me that 1605 01:28:24.399 --> 01:28:26.680 he was a man of the house and was choking 1606 01:28:26.760 --> 01:28:29.000 me out, you know, by my shirt, lifting me up, 1607 01:28:29.399 --> 01:28:32.880 and it just that whole thing, you know, with him, 1608 01:28:33.319 --> 01:28:36.600 was just something I'd been running away from my entire life, 1609 01:28:36.680 --> 01:28:40.880 and you know, never really told people about this whole 1610 01:28:41.039 --> 01:28:43.520 other life I'd had, as had been trained as a 1611 01:28:43.640 --> 01:28:47.520 marksman and an archer and a fisherman and all this 1612 01:28:47.640 --> 01:28:50.479 stuff that people on the West Coast. When I moved 1613 01:28:50.520 --> 01:28:54.640 here didn't understand at least in southern California. And yeah, 1614 01:28:54.680 --> 01:28:56.800 I just went on and on about my life and 1615 01:28:57.199 --> 01:28:59.800 this and I thought, you know, this documentary was going 1616 01:28:59.840 --> 01:29:02.359 to change the world. And then we had these conversations 1617 01:29:02.399 --> 01:29:05.319 where it would be pushing him and being like, you know, 1618 01:29:05.760 --> 01:29:07.279 what do you really think? And he'd be like, well, 1619 01:29:07.319 --> 01:29:09.359 if Alias wanted to just wipe us out, they would, 1620 01:29:09.439 --> 01:29:12.359 and I well, if they could, then do you really 1621 01:29:12.439 --> 01:29:15.239 think it's our planet? What's your thoughts on that? And 1622 01:29:15.560 --> 01:29:18.079 sort of like trying to do this yoga dance with 1623 01:29:18.199 --> 01:29:24.439 him of philosophy and cosmology, and so he ended up 1624 01:29:25.840 --> 01:29:28.159 finding different people to interview and we tried to make 1625 01:29:28.199 --> 01:29:32.079 a sizzle, and so his director came out and we 1626 01:29:32.720 --> 01:29:35.680 decided that we were going to find some obscure spot somewhere. 1627 01:29:35.840 --> 01:29:37.800 We were going to shoot this sizzle with my really 1628 01:29:37.840 --> 01:29:41.399 cool van. And I was really tired at the time. 1629 01:29:41.640 --> 01:29:44.600 My wife was pregnant. I met a girl through surf 1630 01:29:44.760 --> 01:29:50.199 lessons who was pretty much pure Scottish and she was, 1631 01:29:50.399 --> 01:29:53.439 you know, living at this house on an avocado ranch 1632 01:29:53.600 --> 01:29:55.960 that was all moldy, and we had nowhere to go, 1633 01:29:56.640 --> 01:29:59.039 and so we were just we're in a really tough time. 1634 01:29:59.079 --> 01:30:01.239 But I did this thing and I went out there 1635 01:30:02.119 --> 01:30:04.199 with my three dogs that were living in my van 1636 01:30:04.359 --> 01:30:07.319 at the time and brought them with me, and you know, 1637 01:30:07.439 --> 01:30:09.479 we're trying to shoot and I was like talking to 1638 01:30:09.560 --> 01:30:10.840 the director. I was like, you think I should wear 1639 01:30:10.880 --> 01:30:13.600 this hat? He's all loose the hat. It was all, oh, 1640 01:30:13.880 --> 01:30:15.319 he goes, you can wear the hat if you want. 1641 01:30:15.439 --> 01:30:17.159 I was like, oh, no, that's all right. I was like, 1642 01:30:17.159 --> 01:30:19.479 you want to get any shots with my dogs? He's like, no, no, no, no, 1643 01:30:19.800 --> 01:30:23.039 just these weird drone shots. And so I decided to 1644 01:30:23.079 --> 01:30:26.520 smoke weed while I was doing that, and I was 1645 01:30:26.600 --> 01:30:28.960 like driving and you know, took a bong load driving 1646 01:30:29.039 --> 01:30:31.680 with my knees. And I didn't tell any of that 1647 01:30:31.960 --> 01:30:34.760 to the producer, who found out later and was just 1648 01:30:34.920 --> 01:30:38.039 crushed because he felt like I didn't give my best 1649 01:30:38.159 --> 01:30:41.159 performance or whatever. But I just I was hoping that 1650 01:30:41.199 --> 01:30:43.159 he was going to show up, and I had given 1651 01:30:43.239 --> 01:30:45.680 him money, and I became very obsessed about the whole thing, 1652 01:30:45.760 --> 01:30:47.800 calling him way too many times, as he didn't call 1653 01:30:47.880 --> 01:30:51.800 me back whatsoever. In our documentary to Change the World 1654 01:30:52.039 --> 01:30:53.159 just abruptly ended. 1655 01:31:00.600 --> 01:31:04.199 Telepath is a weekly digital newsletter filled with the latest 1656 01:31:04.239 --> 01:31:07.960 paranormal news, trending topics, and fresh articles from some of 1657 01:31:08.039 --> 01:31:11.800 the most popular critical thinkers in the community today. 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But I told the producer 1668 01:31:52.079 --> 01:31:54.720 there at the end he still hadn't given me Chris's number, 1669 01:31:54.760 --> 01:31:56.199 and I said, dude, you have to give me that 1670 01:31:56.319 --> 01:31:59.079 number because this is a part of my personal journey 1671 01:31:59.479 --> 01:32:02.760 and that to clue. And so a week or two 1672 01:32:02.880 --> 01:32:07.000 later he did, and I finally called up Chris and 1673 01:32:07.079 --> 01:32:09.119 then sort of opened up a whole other can of 1674 01:32:09.199 --> 01:32:11.880 worms and sort of at that point, I was living 1675 01:32:11.960 --> 01:32:15.119 with my wife on the MESA and we I don't 1676 01:32:15.119 --> 01:32:17.159 think we I don't think we've been quite kicked out 1677 01:32:17.199 --> 01:32:20.039 of our place, yet this sort of sort of happened. 1678 01:32:20.079 --> 01:32:22.159 I sort of just jumped into her spot, and then 1679 01:32:22.159 --> 01:32:23.800 all of a sudden, landlord, it was like, whoa, whoa, 1680 01:32:23.960 --> 01:32:26.039 you got two dogs. Now you got three dogs over there. 1681 01:32:26.119 --> 01:32:28.359 Get out of here, guys, and you're pregnant. But when 1682 01:32:28.399 --> 01:32:30.399 I met my wife, I didn't want to tell her 1683 01:32:30.439 --> 01:32:32.520 about UFOs and stuff, And it was around the same 1684 01:32:32.600 --> 01:32:35.159 time as the documentary and stuff, so I told her 1685 01:32:35.199 --> 01:32:38.920 about that, and then she started having some experiences where 1686 01:32:38.960 --> 01:32:41.279 she had a twisted wet suit where the logo was 1687 01:32:41.319 --> 01:32:43.439 one way, and then we went surfing one day and 1688 01:32:43.560 --> 01:32:46.000 the whole thing was twisted around with the knee patches 1689 01:32:46.079 --> 01:32:48.560 on the wrong side. And I run a service school, 1690 01:32:48.600 --> 01:32:50.920 so I'm pretty pretty aware of how wet suits work. 1691 01:32:51.560 --> 01:32:53.399 And then a couple of days later, it twisted back 1692 01:32:53.920 --> 01:32:56.279 right on the same shower hanger that it was at 1693 01:32:56.479 --> 01:33:01.560 At the place. She had a experience where she was 1694 01:33:01.640 --> 01:33:03.720 going to bed and she saw a bright light and 1695 01:33:03.760 --> 01:33:05.479 then she thought, what is that? And then the bright 1696 01:33:05.560 --> 01:33:09.800 light went away. She had another experience where there was 1697 01:33:09.880 --> 01:33:11.680 a sunset at the end of the bed. All times, 1698 01:33:11.720 --> 01:33:13.880 I was completely passed out. By the way, I passed 1699 01:33:13.880 --> 01:33:16.119 out really hard, but there was a sunset where the 1700 01:33:16.239 --> 01:33:18.479 top of it was like an orange and then down 1701 01:33:18.520 --> 01:33:22.720 at the bottom was like a purple. And so yeah, 1702 01:33:22.920 --> 01:33:24.600 I sort of when I got on the phone with Chris, 1703 01:33:25.279 --> 01:33:28.479 told him about my uhul story stuff. I told him 1704 01:33:28.479 --> 01:33:31.920 about all the other abductions that had happened and the 1705 01:33:32.000 --> 01:33:35.079 weird things, and told him about what was going on 1706 01:33:35.199 --> 01:33:37.359 at the house with my wife. And I was also 1707 01:33:37.439 --> 01:33:41.520 feeling like I was led to my wife the ets 1708 01:33:41.680 --> 01:33:44.520 or whatever that this surf lesson had just randomly come 1709 01:33:44.640 --> 01:33:47.079 to me through my surf school, which was one of 1710 01:33:47.199 --> 01:33:49.600 the only COVID surf lessons I did. Because it was 1711 01:33:49.640 --> 01:33:52.319 so parad annoying about COVID, I was out of my mind, 1712 01:33:52.600 --> 01:33:54.920 which is okay, because at the time, everybody was that 1713 01:33:55.039 --> 01:33:57.840 we were supposed to actually have a kid, and then 1714 01:33:57.880 --> 01:34:01.319 it was the second child that they would want. And 1715 01:34:01.399 --> 01:34:03.960 I actually sort of implied that at some point to 1716 01:34:04.039 --> 01:34:06.119 her and brought her into all of this, and somehow 1717 01:34:06.159 --> 01:34:09.640 or other she signed up and not even knowing each 1718 01:34:09.680 --> 01:34:13.880 other for six months, you know, immediately knocked her up. 1719 01:34:14.199 --> 01:34:16.520 And so when I got on the phone with Chris, 1720 01:34:17.199 --> 01:34:20.800 I just kept going on about experiences, and then he said, 1721 01:34:20.960 --> 01:34:24.359 tell me about your childhood trauma. Well, I played dodgeball 1722 01:34:24.479 --> 01:34:26.760 for a while, and I wasn't. I didn't really want 1723 01:34:26.800 --> 01:34:29.439 to mention Ben, and I didn't really want to mention 1724 01:34:29.600 --> 01:34:33.239 my mom's divorce or the fact that I was alone 1725 01:34:33.399 --> 01:34:35.159 for like a year and a half while my mom 1726 01:34:35.279 --> 01:34:39.720 was on double prescription of xan X, and I just 1727 01:34:39.840 --> 01:34:45.640 wasn't being watched the nineteen eighty seven earthquake in the 1728 01:34:45.720 --> 01:34:48.640 Bay Area, I think it was like October seventeenth or whatever, 1729 01:34:49.359 --> 01:34:54.640 during the World Series versus the A's versus the Giants. 1730 01:34:54.720 --> 01:34:56.319 I was actually on the roof of my house right 1731 01:34:56.399 --> 01:34:59.439 before that and had a premonition of something happening in 1732 01:34:59.600 --> 01:35:02.920 randomn and then the earthquake happened. So, just just to 1733 01:35:03.000 --> 01:35:06.039 give you an understand just the lack of supervision, I 1734 01:35:06.159 --> 01:35:08.520 was playing on the roof every day for months before that. 1735 01:35:08.920 --> 01:35:10.720 You know, my mom had gotten their tubes tied and 1736 01:35:10.760 --> 01:35:13.399 almost died in surgery. And then we went to Virginia 1737 01:35:13.560 --> 01:35:15.920 and I had all these teachers that hated kids that 1738 01:35:16.079 --> 01:35:20.199 couldn't read, particularly one names Freeland, and made my life 1739 01:35:20.239 --> 01:35:23.119 a living hell and made me a dunce cap. I 1740 01:35:23.159 --> 01:35:26.079 actually made my own dunce cap and separated me from 1741 01:35:26.119 --> 01:35:28.880 the children. But like, I actually had a physical dunce 1742 01:35:28.920 --> 01:35:33.399 cap in this little trailer we were in, and yeah, 1743 01:35:33.600 --> 01:35:36.239 you know, it was suicidal in fifth grade, you know, 1744 01:35:36.680 --> 01:35:39.920 and was on riddlin and all that shit. And so 1745 01:35:40.439 --> 01:35:43.359 he said, that's exactly it. That's what I was looking for. 1746 01:35:44.640 --> 01:35:47.319 And so we got into this whole conversation about how 1747 01:35:47.439 --> 01:35:50.119 these UFOs are sort of lured to people who have 1748 01:35:50.319 --> 01:35:54.600 high levels of trauma. So with the high level of ADHD, 1749 01:35:55.079 --> 01:35:58.680 you know, I've been making friends is like impossible, and 1750 01:35:59.119 --> 01:36:01.840 even in this daily have so few friends, probably just 1751 01:36:01.880 --> 01:36:05.399 because I'm so much to handle. But I ended up 1752 01:36:05.720 --> 01:36:09.520 listening to the man and he explained that they weren't aliens, 1753 01:36:09.640 --> 01:36:12.720 that they were angels from his perspective, and that they 1754 01:36:12.800 --> 01:36:16.479 weren't visitors from some far out place, but they were 1755 01:36:16.560 --> 01:36:19.760 actually coming here because of our suffering and had a 1756 01:36:19.800 --> 01:36:24.199 spiritual message and wanted to help us out. And so 1757 01:36:24.319 --> 01:36:26.279 that was kind of the first time of actually being 1758 01:36:26.439 --> 01:36:31.239 injected with like some nice energy and sort of thinking 1759 01:36:31.279 --> 01:36:33.840 about this in a positive perspective. And then he said, 1760 01:36:33.880 --> 01:36:36.760 you know, after thirteen years or twelve years, the gifts 1761 01:36:36.800 --> 01:36:39.560 start coming to you, and he was really referring to 1762 01:36:40.640 --> 01:36:43.079 the whole thing more as the gin or a genie, 1763 01:36:44.239 --> 01:36:47.560 And so I started to try to clear my thoughts 1764 01:36:47.600 --> 01:36:51.000 and start thinking in those types of ways. And he 1765 01:36:51.119 --> 01:36:53.479 told me there was a study done where one hundred 1766 01:36:53.479 --> 01:36:57.720 and sixty people with high amounts of close encounter experiences 1767 01:36:58.520 --> 01:37:01.600 all had only one thing in common, which was early 1768 01:37:01.760 --> 01:37:06.039 childhood suffering. So I really started diving into that and 1769 01:37:06.479 --> 01:37:09.720 talking to my mother and sort of realizing that my 1770 01:37:09.840 --> 01:37:12.560 mom didn't want to be framed as a bad mother 1771 01:37:13.039 --> 01:37:14.800 and so didn't want to talk about those things. But 1772 01:37:14.920 --> 01:37:17.439 the more that I went into it, it seemed that 1773 01:37:17.560 --> 01:37:19.880 I would instantly have a bad story to tell for 1774 01:37:19.920 --> 01:37:22.159 the rest of my life if I continued down the path. 1775 01:37:22.880 --> 01:37:26.359 So I decided, after talking to Chris, that I should 1776 01:37:26.399 --> 01:37:29.560 maybe open up. And that's when I decided to file 1777 01:37:29.760 --> 01:37:32.960 a move on report. And I'd looked into it before 1778 01:37:33.000 --> 01:37:35.680 in two thousand and six, but I was like, I 1779 01:37:36.199 --> 01:37:38.640 don't even know what the hell is moved on, you know, 1780 01:37:38.720 --> 01:37:42.119 I just people weren't even wanting to talk about aliens. 1781 01:37:42.479 --> 01:37:48.239 But ever since everything happened in twenty seventeen, with all 1782 01:37:48.279 --> 01:37:51.159 of the tic Tac footage and Louelsandre, I felt more 1783 01:37:51.199 --> 01:37:54.279 comfortable really kind of putting my foot out there. And 1784 01:37:54.399 --> 01:37:57.079 I got a phone call from Earl gray Anderson who 1785 01:37:57.520 --> 01:38:01.479 listened to my story for probably two hours and just 1786 01:38:01.680 --> 01:38:05.479 went on about his experiences as well, and about his 1787 01:38:05.680 --> 01:38:10.760 mother being a headhunter for some of the top secret 1788 01:38:10.960 --> 01:38:14.439 departments in the government, and Vernon Broon Brown had a 1789 01:38:14.479 --> 01:38:18.359 crush on his mother and her whole house burned instantaneous, 1790 01:38:18.520 --> 01:38:22.039 and his story about talking about Star Wars and Show 1791 01:38:22.119 --> 01:38:24.159 and Tell, and then his mother had to come and 1792 01:38:24.239 --> 01:38:26.279 say that he was lying and that there's some kind 1793 01:38:26.319 --> 01:38:29.720 of official report. I mean, I just immediately just fell 1794 01:38:29.760 --> 01:38:32.600 in love with Earle in his voice and his ability 1795 01:38:32.680 --> 01:38:37.840 to listen is just such a great listener. And he said, 1796 01:38:37.920 --> 01:38:40.800 you know, I had already started doing some UFO art 1797 01:38:40.880 --> 01:38:43.880 at this point, but he really implored me to really 1798 01:38:44.039 --> 01:38:47.079 draw it out and sort of take like a great bishop, 1799 01:38:47.439 --> 01:38:51.079 who's another really great guy's philosophy, and you know, don't 1800 01:38:51.159 --> 01:38:54.439 tell me about your UFO. Draw out all your feelings, 1801 01:38:54.520 --> 01:38:56.800 you know, get it on paper, and let's look at 1802 01:38:56.840 --> 01:38:59.720 it as data. And so that's when he started really 1803 01:38:59.800 --> 01:39:03.399 going hard at my UFO art if you will, And 1804 01:39:04.199 --> 01:39:07.760 I started thinking about all the different conceptions, and it 1805 01:39:07.920 --> 01:39:09.880 came up with one idea to put all of my 1806 01:39:10.079 --> 01:39:13.960 UFO stories in a seven layer head of a gray 1807 01:39:14.079 --> 01:39:18.600 alien on a piece of paper about seventeen by twenty 1808 01:39:18.680 --> 01:39:23.079 two marker paper, and just buy five hundred dollars worth 1809 01:39:23.119 --> 01:39:25.840 of markers and sharpie's and just go to town at it. 1810 01:39:26.680 --> 01:39:28.399 A lot of the art projects I would start, I 1811 01:39:28.399 --> 01:39:31.600 would trace them out and then sort of look at 1812 01:39:31.640 --> 01:39:34.439 it as like this ultimate coloring book that I would 1813 01:39:34.479 --> 01:39:38.600 never finish. But then I would become really obsessent and 1814 01:39:38.920 --> 01:39:42.159 play loud music and smoke lots of weed and just 1815 01:39:42.880 --> 01:39:45.880 draw all the way through the night into the next day, 1816 01:39:46.239 --> 01:39:49.880 into the next day, and just have these big pushes 1817 01:39:49.960 --> 01:39:53.720 to just get it done. I did another amazing piece 1818 01:39:54.000 --> 01:39:57.439 with purples and blacks. Is like a linear background through 1819 01:39:57.520 --> 01:40:00.800 stars and the cross section of the mother ship with 1820 01:40:00.960 --> 01:40:06.359 myself in the middle crucified on some surfboards and hoose 1821 01:40:06.359 --> 01:40:10.560 attached to my ppe spreading sperm throughout the whole ship 1822 01:40:11.159 --> 01:40:16.840 that was full of alien embryos that are hybrids overlooking 1823 01:40:16.960 --> 01:40:20.000 Earth in the same shape as that UFO that I 1824 01:40:20.199 --> 01:40:25.720 saw in the channeling with Lori. So I went to 1825 01:40:26.399 --> 01:40:29.960 alien Gon and I met Chris in person. I didn't 1826 01:40:30.000 --> 01:40:33.439 know he was going to be there, and he implored 1827 01:40:33.520 --> 01:40:36.119 me to go more into my childhood suffering and really 1828 01:40:36.239 --> 01:40:39.880 learn exactly what happened, which couldn't believe there was even more, 1829 01:40:41.039 --> 01:40:44.640 Just so much adversity and so many challenges. I'm wondering 1830 01:40:44.680 --> 01:40:45.640 how I'm even alive. 1831 01:40:46.479 --> 01:40:46.680 Yeah. 1832 01:40:46.720 --> 01:40:49.159 I got to look at the UFO community sort of right, 1833 01:40:49.239 --> 01:40:51.760 and there's these different sort of things going on. There 1834 01:40:51.880 --> 01:40:54.039 was all these people with ancient aliens and then there 1835 01:40:54.079 --> 01:40:56.439 are you know, people they're saying aliens are really evil. 1836 01:40:56.520 --> 01:40:58.800 And I actually brought my art with me and I 1837 01:40:58.880 --> 01:41:02.399 didn't know why. And I just had this big portfolio 1838 01:41:02.680 --> 01:41:04.880 and I would just go around and if you talk 1839 01:41:04.960 --> 01:41:07.319 to me, and I was brave enough to stop and 1840 01:41:07.399 --> 01:41:10.079 talk to you, I would show you my art. And 1841 01:41:10.159 --> 01:41:12.600 a couple of times I started taking it out, and 1842 01:41:12.800 --> 01:41:14.560 all of a sudden in a crowd would sort of 1843 01:41:15.159 --> 01:41:17.960 develop around me, and people would go, well, shouldn't that 1844 01:41:18.039 --> 01:41:20.399 be hung up somewhere. Shouldn't that be like you know, 1845 01:41:20.560 --> 01:41:22.680 in a museum, look at all the work, look at 1846 01:41:22.680 --> 01:41:25.000 all that detail and stuff, and you know, he could 1847 01:41:25.039 --> 01:41:28.319 take a magnifying glass and still see stuff, you know, 1848 01:41:28.640 --> 01:41:31.479 just because I'm working at some of the pen tips 1849 01:41:31.520 --> 01:41:33.479 are like point three, you know, to get some of 1850 01:41:33.560 --> 01:41:35.640 the detail in that I want, because that's why I 1851 01:41:35.680 --> 01:41:37.680 don't like working with paint, because I can't control it 1852 01:41:37.720 --> 01:41:40.720 the way that I want. And just having this mission, 1853 01:41:40.800 --> 01:41:43.359 you know, the documentary had failed, and I told the 1854 01:41:43.439 --> 01:41:46.279 producer the last time I talked to him that I 1855 01:41:46.439 --> 01:41:50.720 wasn't going to give up, and Earl Gray Anderson started 1856 01:41:50.800 --> 01:41:53.239 inviting me to movie premieres and I went to go 1857 01:41:53.399 --> 01:41:57.560 see James Fox and his Virginia premiere about UFOs in Brazil, 1858 01:41:58.119 --> 01:41:59.600 and then I was on a mission to meet him, 1859 01:42:00.199 --> 01:42:01.760 and I was just I kind of felt like it 1860 01:42:01.880 --> 01:42:03.760 was lurking, you know. And I went to the after 1861 01:42:03.920 --> 01:42:06.359 party and I was trying to talk to him, but 1862 01:42:06.439 --> 01:42:08.520 he was there with his daughter, and I was staring 1863 01:42:08.560 --> 01:42:10.000 at his daughter, and I was like, why are you 1864 01:42:10.039 --> 01:42:12.000 staring at his daughter? So I went outside and smoked 1865 01:42:12.000 --> 01:42:15.880 a joint and I was, Okay, none of that energy's working, 1866 01:42:16.039 --> 01:42:18.199 Like I'm going to give up. And I talked to 1867 01:42:18.279 --> 01:42:20.079 the bouncer and he's like, hey, man, don't give up. 1868 01:42:20.640 --> 01:42:22.560 Just just keep trying. And so I went in a 1869 01:42:22.600 --> 01:42:25.840 couple of more times and finally everything closed up. He 1870 01:42:26.119 --> 01:42:28.439 was with one of these alien bunnies that was with 1871 01:42:28.600 --> 01:42:31.039 him for the premiere, this beautiful woman, and they were 1872 01:42:31.079 --> 01:42:33.239 going to walk to a CVS with some guy had 1873 01:42:33.279 --> 01:42:35.520 flown in from France or something, and they're like, this 1874 01:42:35.640 --> 01:42:37.560 guy gets to stay at my house because he came 1875 01:42:37.600 --> 01:42:39.359 the furthest for this premiere. And I was like, I 1876 01:42:39.359 --> 01:42:41.960 don't want to hang out, and so I followed him 1877 01:42:42.000 --> 01:42:44.239 some more, and then finally I had a moment and 1878 01:42:44.359 --> 01:42:47.199 I was like hey, and I told him a little 1879 01:42:47.199 --> 01:42:50.359 bit about myself and I but I tried to keep 1880 01:42:50.399 --> 01:42:53.159 myself mysterious. And I said, do you think that you're 1881 01:42:53.239 --> 01:42:56.560 being led to make movies because of, you know, for 1882 01:42:56.720 --> 01:42:59.079 the ets? And he like paused for a minute and 1883 01:42:59.239 --> 01:43:02.439 kind of went tight lived and he went I think, 1884 01:43:02.560 --> 01:43:05.800 so I really do. I really do feel like I led. 1885 01:43:06.239 --> 01:43:08.239 And then I asked him, well, what do you what's 1886 01:43:08.279 --> 01:43:12.279 your recommendation for people making, you know, UFO documentaries, and 1887 01:43:12.399 --> 01:43:15.520 he said, oh, work ten times harder. I went ten 1888 01:43:15.600 --> 01:43:18.239 times harder. Man. I put my whole I put everything 1889 01:43:18.319 --> 01:43:21.359 into this. He's yeah, you know, and had this amazing 1890 01:43:21.479 --> 01:43:25.479 moment with him, and then yeah, just continued to meet 1891 01:43:25.600 --> 01:43:28.359 more and more people in the UFO community and to 1892 01:43:28.520 --> 01:43:32.760 get a deeper perspective of what all of these people thought. 1893 01:43:32.760 --> 01:43:34.840 It seemed like each person I talked to almost had 1894 01:43:34.840 --> 01:43:38.640 their own unique perspective, that there were similarities and differences. 1895 01:43:38.840 --> 01:43:42.279 But some people, you know, I would get a relationship 1896 01:43:42.399 --> 01:43:44.399 with and I'd get their phone number, and I even 1897 01:43:44.479 --> 01:43:46.600 still talk to some of these people to this day. 1898 01:43:47.079 --> 01:43:49.079 Through that first year of kind of going out and 1899 01:43:49.439 --> 01:43:53.520 so I kind of just kept making the art, but 1900 01:43:53.600 --> 01:43:55.119 then I wasn't sure if I was going to sell 1901 01:43:55.199 --> 01:43:56.640 it or what I was going to do with it. 1902 01:43:57.359 --> 01:44:00.039 Then I made another art piece where I did a 1903 01:44:00.399 --> 01:44:03.199 million little gray aliens. It was sort of all as 1904 01:44:03.239 --> 01:44:05.920 one piece. I wanted to show the different colors of 1905 01:44:06.079 --> 01:44:09.279 aliens skin. Everybody always thinks aliens are always gray, but 1906 01:44:09.359 --> 01:44:12.079 they've been reported as brown and all these different colors, 1907 01:44:12.159 --> 01:44:14.399 and sometimes they change from what they eat, you know, 1908 01:44:14.479 --> 01:44:17.279 all the anecdotal stuff you hear in euphology. So I 1909 01:44:17.359 --> 01:44:19.279 wanted to kind of do that, and then I just 1910 01:44:19.880 --> 01:44:22.279 obsessed out to the point where I was trying to 1911 01:44:22.359 --> 01:44:26.720 fill up spaces and do little faces on dots, and 1912 01:44:27.000 --> 01:44:29.720 I did this amazing color scheme that almost kind of 1913 01:44:29.760 --> 01:44:32.560 looks like a person's aura, with like a greens and 1914 01:44:32.640 --> 01:44:35.680 then purples, and then pinks and yellows, and then into 1915 01:44:35.760 --> 01:44:40.600 grays and browns and purples again. You know, I just 1916 01:44:41.279 --> 01:44:44.079 was trying to figure out what all of it meant. 1917 01:44:44.920 --> 01:44:49.319 You know, I was just confused. And then there was 1918 01:44:49.399 --> 01:44:52.279 a moment where I was down at ringcom Point and 1919 01:44:53.079 --> 01:44:55.760 it was around four twenty and I was surfing and 1920 01:44:55.920 --> 01:44:59.840 I came in after it was pretty dark, and then 1921 01:44:59.880 --> 01:45:02.479 all all of a sudden, I just saw this light 1922 01:45:02.880 --> 01:45:05.600 come screaming down the Santa Barbara channel. I thought it 1923 01:45:05.720 --> 01:45:08.199 was somebody with the drone, but the sun had already set, 1924 01:45:08.399 --> 01:45:10.279 so there's no reason for a drone to be out there. 1925 01:45:11.039 --> 01:45:14.119 And it was moving, it was hustling down, and all 1926 01:45:14.159 --> 01:45:17.119 of a sudden, I turned around and it stopped when 1927 01:45:17.159 --> 01:45:20.000 I looked at it, and I took out my cell 1928 01:45:20.079 --> 01:45:23.199 phone and I got fifty three seconds of this thing 1929 01:45:23.520 --> 01:45:26.279 right in front of me. And the reason that they 1930 01:45:26.359 --> 01:45:28.319 showed up, or at least I think they did, was 1931 01:45:28.439 --> 01:45:30.600 is because I was taunting them, and I was saying, man, 1932 01:45:30.640 --> 01:45:32.760 you're going to show up for Chris Blutzel all the time. 1933 01:45:33.439 --> 01:45:35.000 How are you not going to show up for me? 1934 01:45:35.479 --> 01:45:37.039 You need to show up for me. I'm doing all 1935 01:45:37.119 --> 01:45:39.199 this shit for you. You need to I need at 1936 01:45:39.279 --> 01:45:42.640 least something so I can prove what's going on. And 1937 01:45:42.920 --> 01:45:45.760 for fifty three seconds, this object just sat there and 1938 01:45:45.880 --> 01:45:48.960 then it just instantly disappears, and you can see it 1939 01:45:49.039 --> 01:45:52.159 on camera. It just disappears, you know. So I showed 1940 01:45:52.199 --> 01:45:54.399 this video to people and they're like, James, it's a 1941 01:45:54.479 --> 01:45:57.000 light in the sky. And I'm like, are you kidding me? 1942 01:45:57.640 --> 01:45:59.600 You know, out of all my earthly abilities, this is 1943 01:45:59.640 --> 01:46:01.640 the best that I can do. I even asked for this, 1944 01:46:01.960 --> 01:46:04.239 and here it showed up. And I've had a couple 1945 01:46:04.319 --> 01:46:07.760 other incidences actually at ringcom Point, where I've been out 1946 01:46:08.000 --> 01:46:12.319 at night surfing after dark and seeing that light and 1947 01:46:12.600 --> 01:46:15.439 at one point even told me which wave to catch. 1948 01:46:16.039 --> 01:46:18.159 There was a set coming in of three waves and 1949 01:46:18.239 --> 01:46:20.119 I really wanted to go in and it was dark, 1950 01:46:20.239 --> 01:46:22.359 and they were like, yeah, catch the third one, that's 1951 01:46:22.399 --> 01:46:25.119 the best one. And ended up riding that wave all 1952 01:46:25.159 --> 01:46:27.840 the way through the COVID Ringcon and never even saw it. 1953 01:46:28.279 --> 01:46:31.039 I was just moving and just the air going past me, 1954 01:46:31.920 --> 01:46:34.760 and it was just an incredible feeling. And then also 1955 01:46:34.960 --> 01:46:39.760 having that guidance, and so I, you know, asked Chris 1956 01:46:40.239 --> 01:46:43.560 a couple more times, you know, about this, these experiences 1957 01:46:43.680 --> 01:46:46.720 and about the hitchhikers effect and sort of what this 1958 01:46:47.000 --> 01:46:50.000 meant and meeting, and every time I talked to him, 1959 01:46:50.000 --> 01:46:54.159 I'd get like a deeper meaning on things. And just 1960 01:46:54.359 --> 01:46:58.960 recently with contact in the desert before I went out, 1961 01:47:00.159 --> 01:47:05.159 Eye contacted Chris probably two weeks before, and I got 1962 01:47:05.199 --> 01:47:07.359 a message in my head that said, hey, we want 1963 01:47:07.399 --> 01:47:10.479 you to just send him a message and say you're 1964 01:47:10.600 --> 01:47:13.920 thinking about him. It was very like abstract thought, and 1965 01:47:14.039 --> 01:47:16.600 I thought, that's going to make me sound kind of gay, 1966 01:47:16.960 --> 01:47:20.079 even though I'm not like homophobic. That's just perbadim of 1967 01:47:20.119 --> 01:47:22.920 what I thought. I was like, that's gay. No, No, 1968 01:47:23.039 --> 01:47:25.520 I don't want to think some UFO guy on the 1969 01:47:25.560 --> 01:47:27.760 West Coast is thinking about him. And I was like, yeah, 1970 01:47:27.800 --> 01:47:30.479 but you're not homophobic, And what do you have to 1971 01:47:30.560 --> 01:47:33.159 lose if you heard this, and you know, just test 1972 01:47:33.199 --> 01:47:35.119 it out. And so he sent back right after that 1973 01:47:35.319 --> 01:47:37.680 same to you. So I didn't think too much of it. 1974 01:47:38.000 --> 01:47:41.239 And then a night later, I'm on my cell phone 1975 01:47:41.279 --> 01:47:43.399 and I'm talking to a friend and she's telling me 1976 01:47:43.560 --> 01:47:46.359 this terrible story about our mother used to beat her, 1977 01:47:46.479 --> 01:47:49.439 and then she's never told anybody of this story. And 1978 01:47:49.600 --> 01:47:52.600 I'm sitting in my laundry room looking out and there's 1979 01:47:52.680 --> 01:47:56.119 this amazing little circle in the trees looking over at 1980 01:47:56.159 --> 01:48:00.399 construction site about two hundred yards away, and I just 1981 01:48:00.479 --> 01:48:04.039 see this big wing and it's got these lights on 1982 01:48:04.159 --> 01:48:07.800 the bottom and it's as thin as possible. It's silver, 1983 01:48:08.439 --> 01:48:10.800 and the lights on the bottom look like suns. It's 1984 01:48:10.840 --> 01:48:12.800 like an orange sun. And I'm like, what kind of 1985 01:48:12.960 --> 01:48:19.279 freaking wing doesn't have you know, a passenger selage or whatever, 1986 01:48:19.479 --> 01:48:22.000 you know, no fuel selage, And it's just sitting there 1987 01:48:22.000 --> 01:48:23.760 and I'm like oh, and I just kind of hold 1988 01:48:23.800 --> 01:48:27.199 my breath and then it just moves through and goes 1989 01:48:27.319 --> 01:48:29.960 out of you and then back in view again and 1990 01:48:30.039 --> 01:48:34.720 then just disappears, like a CD going into a CD player, 1991 01:48:35.439 --> 01:48:37.199 like the end of the front end of it went 1992 01:48:37.279 --> 01:48:39.439 in and it just disappeared. And I was on the 1993 01:48:39.520 --> 01:48:41.600 phone with my friend Sarah, and I was like, Sarah, 1994 01:48:41.720 --> 01:48:44.880 I just saw UFO, and like she knows about some 1995 01:48:44.960 --> 01:48:47.079 of my UFO stuff, and she's like, I bet you did. 1996 01:48:47.199 --> 01:48:50.079 I was like, no, no, you don't understand. And so 1997 01:48:50.199 --> 01:48:52.399 that's sort of the blessing and the curse of being 1998 01:48:52.479 --> 01:48:55.479 the single, the only witness, and so I was blown away. 1999 01:48:55.520 --> 01:48:58.159 I come inside and I draw like, wow, I think 2000 01:48:58.159 --> 01:49:00.399 it had nine lights. I mean, it was huge, at 2001 01:49:00.479 --> 01:49:04.239 least one hundred yards wide or long, I mean, and 2002 01:49:04.399 --> 01:49:06.159 just the wing it was so thin, and there was 2003 01:49:06.239 --> 01:49:09.159 no like front to it. There was no nothing. I mean, 2004 01:49:09.199 --> 01:49:13.279 it's just flat bizarre. And so I'm all jazzed up. 2005 01:49:13.359 --> 01:49:16.560 I call my friends in the move on community and 2006 01:49:16.960 --> 01:49:20.560 this is it, you know, finally, James Pike, it happened. 2007 01:49:20.600 --> 01:49:23.399 They're here at my house. They're showing up. You guys 2008 01:49:23.399 --> 01:49:26.439 should get up here. Unfortunately, you know, I think one 2009 01:49:26.439 --> 01:49:29.039 of the issues of being a UFO investigator is always 2010 01:49:29.039 --> 01:49:32.279 another case to investigate, and everyone kind of seemed to 2011 01:49:32.319 --> 01:49:34.840 got sick and had reasons not to come up. And 2012 01:49:35.199 --> 01:49:37.880 you know, I'm just like really emotional about it at 2013 01:49:37.920 --> 01:49:40.239 this point, and I'm like I can't believe it, you know, 2014 01:49:40.359 --> 01:49:42.720 So I file a report, sort of thinking that's it. 2015 01:49:42.960 --> 01:49:46.159 A couple of days go by and it's late at night, 2016 01:49:46.319 --> 01:49:49.840 around ten thirty, and I'm in my driveway locking my 2017 01:49:49.960 --> 01:49:52.399 doors because I'm worried that, you know, maybe some random 2018 01:49:52.479 --> 01:49:54.760 person's gonna come by and break into my car. Living 2019 01:49:54.880 --> 01:49:57.960 kind of a weird little area where there's some homeless encampment, 2020 01:49:58.039 --> 01:50:00.359 so I'm always kind of paranoid about my stuff getting 2021 01:50:00.399 --> 01:50:03.640 broken into. And I hear this little whisper in my 2022 01:50:03.800 --> 01:50:06.600 head and it said walk back here, and it was 2023 01:50:06.920 --> 01:50:08.920 I laughed, and I was like, what maybe that was 2024 01:50:09.000 --> 01:50:12.720 you dude? Well again, what do you have to lose? 2025 01:50:13.439 --> 01:50:16.960 Obviously it's ten steps over there, just go look. And 2026 01:50:17.079 --> 01:50:19.119 so I walked to the back part of this property 2027 01:50:19.239 --> 01:50:22.560 where I live, where it's actually like an abandoned property 2028 01:50:23.199 --> 01:50:27.319 where it's everything's still wild, and there's these two huge 2029 01:50:27.399 --> 01:50:31.000 eucalyptus trees, and there's forty owls just having like a 2030 01:50:31.119 --> 01:50:34.800 full on owl party, and they're like cooting, and there's 2031 01:50:35.159 --> 01:50:38.079 eighteen or twenty in one and another eighteen or twenty 2032 01:50:38.159 --> 01:50:41.279 in the other, and they're both just directed at each other, 2033 01:50:41.359 --> 01:50:44.079 and I can just hear all this communication and stuff, 2034 01:50:44.159 --> 01:50:47.159 and I'm looking right at the eucalyptus tree, and right 2035 01:50:47.199 --> 01:50:50.800 about midway up sixty feet up or whatever, there's these 2036 01:50:50.960 --> 01:50:55.680 three owls and they just kind of swooping in evenly distributed, 2037 01:50:56.079 --> 01:50:58.680 and I was like, wow. And the thing that's so 2038 01:50:58.800 --> 01:51:01.600 cool about seeing it out is they're silent, right, and 2039 01:51:01.760 --> 01:51:04.079 so I was just, oh, man, that's so cool. And 2040 01:51:04.199 --> 01:51:06.840 then all of a sudden, another two went right into 2041 01:51:06.960 --> 01:51:09.880 that same spot, wrapping around the tree, going kind of 2042 01:51:09.920 --> 01:51:13.800 in a downward spiral, and then one and then another three, 2043 01:51:14.239 --> 01:51:17.520 just like the ones that I saw firsthand. And then 2044 01:51:17.680 --> 01:51:21.640 all of a sudden, the chevron V that's black with 2045 01:51:21.880 --> 01:51:25.520 five lights just blends itself in with the owls like 2046 01:51:25.600 --> 01:51:29.039 a comet. And I saw it and I just lost 2047 01:51:29.199 --> 01:51:32.720 my mind. I just I remember, just started skipping and 2048 01:51:32.880 --> 01:51:35.880 jumping up and down and just being like, oh my, 2049 01:51:36.479 --> 01:51:39.319 I mean, I've seen some amazing comments. I was in 2050 01:51:39.399 --> 01:51:41.600 Santa Cruz one time and saw a comment that was 2051 01:51:41.720 --> 01:51:45.239 like fifty yards wide that looked like Independence date that 2052 01:51:45.439 --> 01:51:49.720 blew across the sky less than fifty feet sixty feet 2053 01:51:49.760 --> 01:51:52.279 above my head. I saw a girl across the way 2054 01:51:52.319 --> 01:51:55.039 at a canal ap toss and she saw it too. 2055 01:51:55.199 --> 01:51:58.159 We ran over and just started making out. It was 2056 01:51:58.279 --> 01:52:01.199 just the most insane thing. This was like on a 2057 01:52:01.279 --> 01:52:04.640 whole other level though, this blended itself in and I 2058 01:52:04.800 --> 01:52:07.359 was just I went and I got my wife out 2059 01:52:07.399 --> 01:52:09.720 of bed, and she's, you know, holding the kid, and 2060 01:52:09.800 --> 01:52:11.880 we're out there and I'm pointing at this tree and 2061 01:52:11.960 --> 01:52:15.079 there's no owls at this point, they're all gone. And 2062 01:52:15.319 --> 01:52:17.399 she's like, what am I looking for? And I'm just, 2063 01:52:17.840 --> 01:52:20.279 you know, and I'm pointing. And I did see like 2064 01:52:20.399 --> 01:52:23.279 these little orbs that were kind of coming in and out, 2065 01:52:23.399 --> 01:52:25.439 but they were kind of hiding behind the tree line, 2066 01:52:25.880 --> 01:52:27.520 and so I was like, look at that, and she's what, 2067 01:52:28.479 --> 01:52:31.319 you know, I don't. And it's just so hard that 2068 01:52:31.520 --> 01:52:34.560 if you're the most tedious observer of all time, you 2069 01:52:34.640 --> 01:52:39.439 might not even notice. And so I'm just freaked out. 2070 01:52:39.520 --> 01:52:41.920 I call up everybody again and I go, where is 2071 01:52:42.000 --> 01:52:45.079 everyone that's going on? It's come up here? This is it, 2072 01:52:45.359 --> 01:52:47.800 this is It's happened. This is Pike Spawn and you 2073 01:52:47.880 --> 01:52:52.319 know Pike Pike, Skinwalker Ranch. It's going on. And a 2074 01:52:52.439 --> 01:52:56.439 night late the next night, I'm just upset nobody showed up. 2075 01:52:57.199 --> 01:53:00.119 They're just there's like, that's great, James, you know the 2076 01:53:00.159 --> 01:53:01.720 best you can't see if you can get it on film. 2077 01:53:01.760 --> 01:53:04.159 And I always say that what the does that matter? 2078 01:53:04.199 --> 01:53:07.199 This is my personal journey. Get it on film this 2079 01:53:07.279 --> 01:53:09.479 shit's been happening, and calling up my mom, She's like, 2080 01:53:09.520 --> 01:53:11.880 we should get canvas on your house, Like what the fuck? 2081 01:53:11.960 --> 01:53:14.800 I know, right, like, what's going on? You know? Around 2082 01:53:14.880 --> 01:53:17.720 this time too, I've been talking to my mom a lot, 2083 01:53:18.079 --> 01:53:21.640 and I told her, you know, that I had been 2084 01:53:21.680 --> 01:53:24.039 taken and she says, well, how many times have you 2085 01:53:24.159 --> 01:53:26.119 been taken? And I said, I don't know, maybe a 2086 01:53:26.159 --> 01:53:29.039 couple hundred times. Through hypnosis has said that I was 2087 01:53:29.520 --> 01:53:31.520 taken every time, and I don't know if I believe that. 2088 01:53:32.399 --> 01:53:34.079 And she's like, well, I don't want them to take you. 2089 01:53:34.399 --> 01:53:36.560 A couple of days later, she saw white owl in 2090 01:53:36.640 --> 01:53:39.840 her backyard that had a bird in its talons and 2091 01:53:39.960 --> 01:53:42.000 it went straight up into the side. And then she 2092 01:53:42.119 --> 01:53:44.720 saw a bumper sticker that said We're Always with you 2093 01:53:44.840 --> 01:53:47.439 that had an alien on it. And so, you know, 2094 01:53:47.560 --> 01:53:50.720 my mom is we're talking and we're both sort of 2095 01:53:51.000 --> 01:53:54.279 psychically on the same par and so like that whole 2096 01:53:54.319 --> 01:53:56.279 day I was just talking to her and talking to her, 2097 01:53:56.319 --> 01:53:58.479 and then we were having those conversations about her owl 2098 01:53:58.600 --> 01:54:02.079 experience and what that. Man, yeah, they're taking my soul 2099 01:54:02.199 --> 01:54:03.920 or something. I'm not sure what it means. And so 2100 01:54:04.520 --> 01:54:07.399 I'm frustrated. It was a really long day and I 2101 01:54:07.479 --> 01:54:10.199 took a shower. It's about the same time of days 2102 01:54:10.279 --> 01:54:14.920 the night before, probably around ten thirty, and I decided, 2103 01:54:15.239 --> 01:54:18.119 you know, I'm not leaving the shower. And then my 2104 01:54:18.199 --> 01:54:21.279 German shepherd, you know, say she's outside and she's just 2105 01:54:21.520 --> 01:54:25.359 barking away. Oh bah bah bah, you know, going, going, going, 2106 01:54:25.439 --> 01:54:28.319 and you know the homeless encampments and everything going around here. 2107 01:54:28.359 --> 01:54:31.199 We have like random people running through the bushes and stuff. 2108 01:54:31.279 --> 01:54:33.680 I sort of have to be on guard. And there's 2109 01:54:33.720 --> 01:54:36.079 a high bum factor for sure, And you know, I 2110 01:54:36.159 --> 01:54:38.720 give food to certain people, and I know what's going 2111 01:54:38.760 --> 01:54:40.800 on with the little social orders and stuff. So I'm 2112 01:54:40.800 --> 01:54:44.760 always curious, right and so sage though, she just won't 2113 01:54:44.800 --> 01:54:46.520 shut up, and I'm so tired. I just let this 2114 01:54:46.640 --> 01:54:49.319 go on for ten minutes and it's a very alert bark, 2115 01:54:49.479 --> 01:54:53.920 and she's barking at the shower, so she's barking at me. 2116 01:54:54.600 --> 01:54:56.760 So after ten minutes of this, she's gonna wake up. 2117 01:54:56.800 --> 01:54:57.159 My kid. 2118 01:54:57.279 --> 01:54:59.680 I'm just like, I can't take it, and I'm just 2119 01:55:00.000 --> 01:55:03.039 completely wet. Don't even grab a towel. I just stomp out, 2120 01:55:03.560 --> 01:55:06.399 stomp outside and look at her, and then she just 2121 01:55:06.479 --> 01:55:09.079 sort of gives me this weird Kermit the frog face, 2122 01:55:09.159 --> 01:55:13.640 and she's looking at me but up and I went, oh, now, 2123 01:55:13.800 --> 01:55:17.239 you're not gonna bark now that I'm outside. Great, And 2124 01:55:17.720 --> 01:55:21.199 I immediately just felt something above me and I looked 2125 01:55:21.760 --> 01:55:24.800 and it was an owl and was silent, and I 2126 01:55:24.880 --> 01:55:28.720 can see his ears and the tops of its wings, 2127 01:55:28.960 --> 01:55:32.720 and it was flying right directly over my head, perfectly 2128 01:55:32.840 --> 01:55:37.720 fifty to fifty, like across my skull, at probably less 2129 01:55:37.960 --> 01:55:41.680 than thirty feet up, just right in a perfect little 2130 01:55:41.760 --> 01:55:45.880 nook at the tree line, and all of a sudden 2131 01:55:46.079 --> 01:55:49.359 it turned into that chevron V that I saw the 2132 01:55:49.520 --> 01:55:53.880 night before and flew right over my freaking head. And 2133 01:55:54.039 --> 01:55:57.520 it's flying over my head and it's going one mile 2134 01:55:57.880 --> 01:56:00.680 an hour and I'm looking at it and I could 2135 01:56:00.720 --> 01:56:02.640 make out the five lights, but every time I look 2136 01:56:02.760 --> 01:56:06.199 at it, it was like I was looking at something 2137 01:56:06.239 --> 01:56:08.840 when I'm really drunk and I'm right on the verge 2138 01:56:08.840 --> 01:56:11.920 of passing now and everything's just really blurry, like I 2139 01:56:12.000 --> 01:56:15.039 can see. But if I was to try to go somewhere, 2140 01:56:15.119 --> 01:56:18.119 I know I'm going to run into something, or like 2141 01:56:18.279 --> 01:56:21.000 the heat on a street when you're looking from far away, 2142 01:56:21.079 --> 01:56:24.720 and there's that distortion, and it was just driving me nuts. 2143 01:56:24.960 --> 01:56:28.359 I was trying so hard to get that detail like 2144 01:56:28.560 --> 01:56:31.279 I did that first encounter. I just wasn't able to 2145 01:56:31.359 --> 01:56:35.880 get it. But I did see lines in between the lights, 2146 01:56:36.520 --> 01:56:40.279 directly in the center in between where the lights were, 2147 01:56:40.800 --> 01:56:43.279 and I had five lights, and it was a perfect chevron, 2148 01:56:43.479 --> 01:56:47.279 a beautiful chevron vie that was black. And then all 2149 01:56:47.319 --> 01:56:50.680 of a sudden, the tree that's just right over here 2150 01:56:50.760 --> 01:56:54.640 across the creek and went right into the tree, just 2151 01:56:54.840 --> 01:56:58.520 like the one the first time over in the construction site, 2152 01:56:58.560 --> 01:57:01.319 but this time I got to see it from the back, 2153 01:57:01.560 --> 01:57:03.640 and so when it went in, it looked like it 2154 01:57:03.800 --> 01:57:07.560 went into a pool of quicksand like there were no 2155 01:57:07.760 --> 01:57:10.359 ripples or anything. But I was just shocked that it 2156 01:57:10.479 --> 01:57:13.119 went into the tree, you know what I mean. And 2157 01:57:13.239 --> 01:57:15.479 so now I on this property, I just stand here 2158 01:57:15.520 --> 01:57:17.520 all the time and just look at this stupid tree 2159 01:57:18.439 --> 01:57:20.640 and just go, what in the hell, how is that 2160 01:57:20.720 --> 01:57:23.119 even possible? So again I called up all of these 2161 01:57:23.159 --> 01:57:26.239 people on move On and told them about it, and 2162 01:57:26.359 --> 01:57:28.319 then they were like, well, did you get footage of it? 2163 01:57:28.359 --> 01:57:30.479 And said no, but it flew over and was an 2164 01:57:30.520 --> 01:57:32.760 owl and I wrote down the time and drew out 2165 01:57:32.800 --> 01:57:36.479 what happened, and then I talked to Chris at Contact 2166 01:57:36.560 --> 01:57:39.760 in the desert and then he said, well, I saw 2167 01:57:39.920 --> 01:57:43.359 the same thing two different craft two weeks before you. 2168 01:57:44.880 --> 01:57:47.399 So at first I was I don't even know, I 2169 01:57:47.439 --> 01:57:50.159 can't even handle that wrapped my mind around it, and 2170 01:57:50.279 --> 01:57:52.239 I said, well, Chris, how were they able to know 2171 01:57:52.359 --> 01:57:55.119 where I was looking that first time through the tree 2172 01:57:55.319 --> 01:57:57.000 when I was on the cell phone. I mean, that 2173 01:57:57.600 --> 01:57:59.640 was just so perfect And he said, well, it's because 2174 01:57:59.680 --> 01:58:01.720 they can move back and forth in time, and they 2175 01:58:01.800 --> 01:58:04.079 knew exactly where James was going to be looking when 2176 01:58:04.119 --> 01:58:06.720 he was looking. So that really freaked me out. I 2177 01:58:06.800 --> 01:58:08.720 told my wife about it, and then she had a 2178 01:58:08.800 --> 01:58:11.960 dream about time, which she didn't see time, but she 2179 01:58:12.079 --> 01:58:18.159 felt it. She said that time was happening spontaneously everywhere always, 2180 01:58:18.800 --> 01:58:21.399 and we had gotten in an argument, so you shouldn't 2181 01:58:21.399 --> 01:58:24.840 tell me for a couple of days. And I then 2182 01:58:24.960 --> 01:58:28.239 looked up this thing about block theory and how in 2183 01:58:28.319 --> 01:58:32.479 the fourth dimension you can kind of see everything. You're 2184 01:58:32.840 --> 01:58:37.840 always being bor and you're always dying, and you know, 2185 01:58:38.199 --> 01:58:41.279 just sort of almost built more into my paranoia, like, well, 2186 01:58:41.319 --> 01:58:43.399 shit does that mean that there's just slides in this 2187 01:58:43.520 --> 01:58:45.760 slide show I just can't avoid and eventually going to 2188 01:58:45.840 --> 01:58:48.039 have to go through them. Like there's no way that 2189 01:58:48.119 --> 01:58:50.000 I can plan for these things to come back. It's 2190 01:58:50.119 --> 01:58:55.079 just gonna happen to me. And so, yeah, I decided 2191 01:58:55.119 --> 01:58:57.680 to start working on a memoir to talk about all 2192 01:58:57.720 --> 01:59:00.920 these things. But unfortunately, through the process of writing the 2193 01:59:01.000 --> 01:59:04.640 memoir has been so torturous, like I'll be writing it 2194 01:59:04.720 --> 01:59:06.720 and then all of a sudden, I'll just decide that 2195 01:59:06.880 --> 01:59:09.880 I'm gonna start gardening into the wilderness, and I'll take 2196 01:59:09.920 --> 01:59:12.279 all of my tools and I'll just start going out 2197 01:59:12.319 --> 01:59:14.800 there and have these grand ideas of how I'm going 2198 01:59:14.840 --> 01:59:17.720 to manicure this huge property here that I won't get 2199 01:59:17.760 --> 01:59:20.520 paid for and no one will ever appreciate, and think 2200 01:59:20.600 --> 01:59:25.600 somebody the landlord paid for anyways, and just these big distractions, 2201 01:59:25.800 --> 01:59:29.079 and then you know, getting to to fight fights with 2202 01:59:29.239 --> 01:59:31.920 my wife because I you know, it's just too much 2203 01:59:32.039 --> 01:59:33.600 and I can't stop talking about it. 2204 01:59:41.920 --> 01:59:44.720 Do you have an interest in the parent Normal? You'll 2205 01:59:44.840 --> 01:59:48.159 love the unex network dot Com the ax is. You're 2206 01:59:48.199 --> 01:59:53.000 streaming audio and video for everything supernatural, strange and mysterious, 2207 01:59:53.359 --> 01:59:57.600 like UFOs, Bigfoot Ghosts, and so much more from host 2208 01:59:57.800 --> 02:00:02.439 like Clyde, Lewis Whitley, streamber, Micah Haiks, and Christina Gomez. 2209 02:00:02.760 --> 02:00:05.840 Visit the unexnetwork dot com show page for a complete 2210 02:00:05.880 --> 02:00:09.239 list of all the paranormal programs you'll find on the X. 2211 02:00:09.520 --> 02:00:11.920 Be sure to follow us on Twitter for updates at 2212 02:00:12.000 --> 02:00:15.079 Hey you n x dB. Follow our Facebook group on 2213 02:00:15.479 --> 02:00:19.760 X network. I the podcast on Spotify, iHeart Audible and 2214 02:00:20.039 --> 02:00:21.079 Apple Podcasting. 2215 02:00:21.439 --> 02:00:26.399 It's time, It's new is the X x X. 2216 02:00:32.199 --> 02:00:35.000 And so yeah, I've kind of come to a place 2217 02:00:35.159 --> 02:00:39.239 now where I understand that there's a fine line between 2218 02:00:40.159 --> 02:00:44.640 madness and genius and that my art is sort of 2219 02:00:44.720 --> 02:00:47.680 a place for me to play in that court that 2220 02:00:48.800 --> 02:00:53.439 over overboard and making beautiful things. And I feel like 2221 02:00:54.159 --> 02:00:56.479 I'm led to do these things, and that I've kept 2222 02:00:56.520 --> 02:01:00.760 my story secret really for so long because in not 2223 02:01:00.880 --> 02:01:03.279 wanting to be ridiculed and talk about these things that 2224 02:01:04.439 --> 02:01:08.279 sort of just kind of like a sleeper cell. And 2225 02:01:08.760 --> 02:01:11.800 when I talk about UFOs and when I go out 2226 02:01:11.840 --> 02:01:15.520 and do these things, I really feel like I'm being watched, 2227 02:01:15.880 --> 02:01:19.079 and maybe not even by aliens, but also maybe by 2228 02:01:19.119 --> 02:01:23.000 the government. We've had weird drones here on the property. 2229 02:01:23.079 --> 02:01:26.720 I had a drone sit down that was almost eight 2230 02:01:26.800 --> 02:01:30.079 feet tall. I've never seen a drone that big. It 2231 02:01:30.159 --> 02:01:32.960 had big spider legs. I've seen some of the fire 2232 02:01:33.039 --> 02:01:35.720 department drones and stuff, but I still they don't They're 2233 02:01:35.800 --> 02:01:37.399 not as big as the one that came down and 2234 02:01:37.479 --> 02:01:41.560 sat next to me. We've had black helicopters fly really 2235 02:01:41.680 --> 02:01:44.479 low at night. We had a helicopter almost land on 2236 02:01:44.560 --> 02:01:46.359 the house one time. Will try to put the baby 2237 02:01:46.439 --> 02:01:49.960 to sleep, and so I really feel I'm at a 2238 02:01:50.039 --> 02:01:54.359 point where this is not an abduction anymore but an induction, 2239 02:01:55.359 --> 02:01:59.199 and that the abduction thing is really it really is 2240 02:01:59.319 --> 02:02:03.880 being miscon strewed, and that for me, there's there's a 2241 02:02:03.960 --> 02:02:06.279 point where there that I feel like, you know, if 2242 02:02:06.359 --> 02:02:09.399 these UFOs are real, they have to show up, and 2243 02:02:09.840 --> 02:02:12.520 that we all have to become aware of it. And 2244 02:02:12.640 --> 02:02:15.760 so I guess that's that's why I'm doing this, because 2245 02:02:15.760 --> 02:02:18.640 I feel like it's my responsibility to share my art 2246 02:02:19.359 --> 02:02:21.720 and to share all the things I'm doing, because you know, 2247 02:02:21.920 --> 02:02:24.319 that's I spent such a long time being a hermit 2248 02:02:25.439 --> 02:02:28.560 and being afraid of myself, and you know, being afraid 2249 02:02:28.600 --> 02:02:32.239 of ADHD and not wanting to take medication even though 2250 02:02:32.279 --> 02:02:35.039 I'm not on it, but you know, not finding coaching 2251 02:02:35.279 --> 02:02:37.880 or ways to work with it, and everything through this 2252 02:02:38.119 --> 02:02:40.560 experience has made me work on all the things that 2253 02:02:40.720 --> 02:02:43.279 I procrastinated and did not want to do and rather 2254 02:02:43.520 --> 02:02:46.119 just go surfing. As for most of high school, I 2255 02:02:46.239 --> 02:02:49.520 just didn't go to school. But I still kept a 2256 02:02:49.640 --> 02:02:54.039 three point zero average. So I would say that's my story. 2257 02:02:54.239 --> 02:02:55.239 Fascinating stuff. 2258 02:02:55.399 --> 02:02:55.680 James. 2259 02:02:55.760 --> 02:02:57.479 It's been quite a journey you've been on. 2260 02:02:58.239 --> 02:03:02.640 Yeah, it's a it's a personal journey. And yeah, to 2261 02:03:02.880 --> 02:03:05.359 all of a sudden be seen as an artist and 2262 02:03:05.600 --> 02:03:08.520 you know, and everyone appreciating it. I mean, it just 2263 02:03:09.199 --> 02:03:12.079 it's just such a weird feeling. I remember being at 2264 02:03:12.119 --> 02:03:14.920 an art show with my father and he was showing 2265 02:03:15.000 --> 02:03:17.000 his stuff and I was sitting right next to him, 2266 02:03:17.119 --> 02:03:19.319 and a woman came up and said to me, are 2267 02:03:19.359 --> 02:03:21.880 you the artist? And he just got you got so shocked, 2268 02:03:21.920 --> 02:03:24.239 and he was upset. He well, no, I am. But 2269 02:03:24.520 --> 02:03:27.319 you know, I've spent years and years with ceramics, and 2270 02:03:27.560 --> 02:03:30.159 I can throw a pot, you know, just like a 2271 02:03:30.199 --> 02:03:36.319 professional ceramicist. Just the feeling of accomplishment from having something 2272 02:03:36.640 --> 02:03:40.279 like ADHD that where you can't have a feeling of accomplishment. 2273 02:03:41.079 --> 02:03:44.640 Is pretty pretty life shattering for me. You know, it's 2274 02:03:44.720 --> 02:03:47.560 really something I never thought that I would do. And 2275 02:03:47.800 --> 02:03:49.560 when I went to contact in the Desert, I didn't 2276 02:03:49.560 --> 02:03:51.880 even put any price tags on any of my art. 2277 02:03:52.640 --> 02:03:54.800 It was the last afterthought I had a friend show. 2278 02:03:54.880 --> 02:03:56.760 But say, James, there's no price tags on your art 2279 02:03:56.800 --> 02:03:58.720 and crap, I didn't even think about it. 2280 02:03:59.079 --> 02:04:02.079 It's good that you ought your art because that's your anchor. 2281 02:04:02.439 --> 02:04:05.359 You can funnel all this onto paper. 2282 02:04:05.760 --> 02:04:08.439 Yeah, and then my surfing is really the only place 2283 02:04:08.479 --> 02:04:11.079 where I can meditate. And you know, I've caught in 2284 02:04:11.199 --> 02:04:14.600 lots of waves with dolphins and and I've spent a 2285 02:04:14.640 --> 02:04:18.720 lot of time with sharks, and I feel like surfing 2286 02:04:18.920 --> 02:04:23.119 is that beautiful compliment to wondering about the UFO mystery, 2287 02:04:23.159 --> 02:04:25.039 because you know, you're sitting on your surfboard, you don't 2288 02:04:25.079 --> 02:04:28.439 know what's underneath you, and you're sort of waiting for 2289 02:04:28.600 --> 02:04:30.920 something that you don't know really when it's going to come, 2290 02:04:31.199 --> 02:04:34.560 and you're out there interacting with you know, these intelligence 2291 02:04:34.720 --> 02:04:38.239 that are from a world that's you know, right next 2292 02:04:38.319 --> 02:04:40.520 to you, but you'd never know it unless you actually 2293 02:04:40.600 --> 02:04:43.239 got out there, you know, and so yeah, I think 2294 02:04:43.359 --> 02:04:46.520 I think it's the surfing ring con such a perfect 2295 02:04:46.600 --> 02:04:48.920 wave and got to live there through high school and 2296 02:04:49.520 --> 02:04:53.239 the art really going out and telling the story and 2297 02:04:53.359 --> 02:04:56.239 trying to get more people to talk about their experiences 2298 02:04:56.279 --> 02:04:58.119 and make art. I think for me that that would 2299 02:04:58.159 --> 02:05:02.159 be the greatest gift is not selling my art, but 2300 02:05:02.239 --> 02:05:05.720 getting more people like myself who've been hidden to come 2301 02:05:05.800 --> 02:05:09.000 out and say, hey, this is what I saw and 2302 02:05:09.239 --> 02:05:12.239 these are my drawings, and you know, take it for 2303 02:05:12.359 --> 02:05:14.239 what it is, but this is my personal journey. 2304 02:05:14.279 --> 02:05:16.760 And this is important to me absolutely because you know, 2305 02:05:16.840 --> 02:05:19.920 you've got some experiences which they write their lives and 2306 02:05:19.960 --> 02:05:23.119 their experiences down on paper and then people will read 2307 02:05:23.199 --> 02:05:25.960 it and then they will connect with it and then 2308 02:05:26.239 --> 02:05:29.319 share about their experiences, you know, with you and your art. 2309 02:05:29.680 --> 02:05:31.760 You know, they will connect with it and you know, 2310 02:05:31.920 --> 02:05:34.239 look back on what has been happening to them over 2311 02:05:34.279 --> 02:05:34.680 the years. 2312 02:05:35.079 --> 02:05:37.800 Yeah. I mean, one of the things about this is 2313 02:05:37.880 --> 02:05:41.079 the stigma, and it's a double whemmy to have the 2314 02:05:41.159 --> 02:05:46.520 ontological shock and then also have to continue to live 2315 02:05:46.920 --> 02:05:51.279 in this earthly realm and sort of know that there's 2316 02:05:51.439 --> 02:05:54.640 like better technology out there and that you know, all 2317 02:05:54.680 --> 02:05:57.039 of the things that we're doing are sort of I mean, 2318 02:05:57.079 --> 02:05:59.239 the only people in society that we put up with 2319 02:05:59.319 --> 02:06:02.319 this kind of shit is babies great, and we have 2320 02:06:02.520 --> 02:06:05.199 to in order for them to learn. And so it 2321 02:06:05.279 --> 02:06:08.600 sort of feels a planet of the babies where we 2322 02:06:08.720 --> 02:06:13.920 could have this you know, human utopia or paradise, but 2323 02:06:14.039 --> 02:06:17.520 we're all like sort of choosing to take an inut 2324 02:06:17.520 --> 02:06:22.359 of an object and worship it. And then and then 2325 02:06:22.439 --> 02:06:24.239 that's where like it gets weird for me, and so 2326 02:06:24.319 --> 02:06:26.840 I have to kind of like smoke a little bit 2327 02:06:26.880 --> 02:06:31.079 of weed, I take a deep breath, kind of realize, Okay, 2328 02:06:31.359 --> 02:06:34.279 I can't change the world by just being irritated with it. 2329 02:06:34.560 --> 02:06:37.399 I need to just work on myself. And that's how 2330 02:06:37.479 --> 02:06:39.359 the change will happen is through silence. 2331 02:06:39.640 --> 02:06:41.920 And you know, we do live in two different worlds. 2332 02:06:42.079 --> 02:06:44.319 You know, We've got lives where you know, we work 2333 02:06:44.439 --> 02:06:47.760 every day, we have relationships, we have families, do our 2334 02:06:47.840 --> 02:06:51.000 best to support them. And then so many people have 2335 02:06:51.159 --> 02:06:54.560 this other side, this strange occurrences that have happened to them. 2336 02:06:54.640 --> 02:06:56.520 Because it is possible to lose it because so many 2337 02:06:56.520 --> 02:06:59.760 of these people have these experiences. Excuse the pun it 2338 02:06:59.800 --> 02:07:02.079 is clearly alien to them bacially if they've have no 2339 02:07:02.239 --> 02:07:05.479 interest in the subject, but for their lives they've had 2340 02:07:05.520 --> 02:07:08.399 these strange occurrences, these strange visitations. 2341 02:07:08.760 --> 02:07:12.039 Well, and it's so strange too to get a group 2342 02:07:12.079 --> 02:07:15.760 of people who've had strange encounters and stuff. And I'm 2343 02:07:15.920 --> 02:07:21.199 just a really competitive person, mostly against myself. I'm very competitive. 2344 02:07:21.279 --> 02:07:26.640 I'm always forcing myself to be competitive against myself, and 2345 02:07:26.720 --> 02:07:29.800 so I'm competitive against other people, but not in a 2346 02:07:29.880 --> 02:07:33.079 way where I make it obvious. I just observe them 2347 02:07:33.239 --> 02:07:35.399 and if there's certain things about them that I like, 2348 02:07:35.840 --> 02:07:38.039 those are the things that I want to get better at, 2349 02:07:38.560 --> 02:07:40.920 you know, so like it. It's not a competitive way 2350 02:07:40.960 --> 02:07:43.800 where it's a it's a bummer or anything, but it's 2351 02:07:43.960 --> 02:07:48.800 just there's this mentality that happens within groups where my 2352 02:07:49.159 --> 02:07:52.159 friend Danny, he's so funny, he was saying at work, 2353 02:07:52.239 --> 02:07:55.119 they had this funny joke where they would I'm a 2354 02:07:55.199 --> 02:07:58.520 bigger something than you are. I'm a bigger something than 2355 02:07:58.600 --> 02:08:00.840 you are, and so we were playing opinion. So I'm 2356 02:08:00.880 --> 02:08:04.479 a bigger experiencer than you are. I'm a better experiencer 2357 02:08:04.560 --> 02:08:06.960 than you are. And I feel like when I go 2358 02:08:07.079 --> 02:08:10.760 to the abduction Anonymous meetings and stuff that with all 2359 02:08:10.840 --> 02:08:13.159 of the encounters that I've had and everything that I'm 2360 02:08:13.199 --> 02:08:15.800 sort of got a home run hitter, right Like I'm 2361 02:08:15.840 --> 02:08:18.279 an called grand slam hitter, and they all everyone kind 2362 02:08:18.319 --> 02:08:19.800 of knows it, and they kind of poke at me 2363 02:08:20.000 --> 02:08:22.720 to finally like come out and and you know, and 2364 02:08:22.880 --> 02:08:26.279 and then I'm sort of in this weird place. God 2365 02:08:26.439 --> 02:08:29.520 is my story and all my intensity cutting down the 2366 02:08:29.640 --> 02:08:32.920 opportunity for other people to talk and and things, and 2367 02:08:33.079 --> 02:08:36.880 so like at Contact in the Desert, I was at 2368 02:08:36.920 --> 02:08:39.760 the Abduction Anonymous meeting and Whitley Schreiber was in there, 2369 02:08:40.359 --> 02:08:42.439 and it was a whole packed group and it started 2370 02:08:42.520 --> 02:08:46.119 out with somebody actually quoting a book, which I thought 2371 02:08:46.199 --> 02:08:48.640 was really interesting. I was like, okay, And then and 2372 02:08:48.720 --> 02:08:50.640 then you know, there were a couple of stories in there, 2373 02:08:50.760 --> 02:08:53.079 but they were all just like people sort of saw 2374 02:08:53.279 --> 02:08:56.680 something and their interpretations of it and then how they 2375 02:08:56.880 --> 02:09:00.279 kind of you know, blended that into their life. And 2376 02:09:00.399 --> 02:09:03.000 then finally I got my opportunity to talk, and I 2377 02:09:03.399 --> 02:09:05.760 really just let loose and told this story and no 2378 02:09:05.960 --> 02:09:09.960 hold bars, and when I got finished, everybody jumped up 2379 02:09:10.359 --> 02:09:13.600 and started applauding me and somebody yelled in the back 2380 02:09:13.680 --> 02:09:16.720 of the room, you just one contact in the desert, 2381 02:09:16.960 --> 02:09:19.520 and I was just like, what now everyone with, you know? 2382 02:09:19.560 --> 02:09:22.039 And I had these people come around me, but Whitley 2383 02:09:22.079 --> 02:09:24.920 Striiber didn't come over and talk to me, and so 2384 02:09:25.039 --> 02:09:26.880 I was like, I was so and that was the 2385 02:09:27.000 --> 02:09:28.800 only person that I wanted to talk to. And I 2386 02:09:28.920 --> 02:09:31.319 was like, Oh, this w finally be opportunity for being like, hey, 2387 02:09:31.359 --> 02:09:34.479 I'm an experiencer, you're an experiencer. And so I was like, 2388 02:09:34.600 --> 02:09:37.560 is there like a competitiveness there, you know? And like 2389 02:09:37.720 --> 02:09:39.039 what the hell is that? Even? About? 2390 02:09:39.159 --> 02:09:39.199 What? 2391 02:09:39.479 --> 02:09:41.600 That has nothing to do with any of this shit, 2392 02:09:42.319 --> 02:09:48.279 Like that's so blatantly weird. It's interesting. It's almost like 2393 02:09:48.319 --> 02:09:50.319 I'd almost rather go to some of these things and 2394 02:09:50.439 --> 02:09:52.960 not tell my story and just listen to other people 2395 02:09:53.199 --> 02:09:56.359 so that I don't steal the show or whatever, because 2396 02:09:56.399 --> 02:09:58.920 I don't. I don't want people to have this thought 2397 02:09:59.000 --> 02:10:01.960 of why haven't aliens come to me? Well, why is 2398 02:10:02.039 --> 02:10:02.920 he so special? 2399 02:10:03.000 --> 02:10:03.159 You know? 2400 02:10:03.319 --> 02:10:06.720 And well, gosh, you know, they don't come to everybody 2401 02:10:06.800 --> 02:10:09.039 for a reason. Maybe it's because of DNA, maybe it's 2402 02:10:09.079 --> 02:10:12.039 because of consciousness, Maybe it's because they're trying to find 2403 02:10:12.119 --> 02:10:14.840 souls for the soul recycling centers on the Mothership. I 2404 02:10:14.880 --> 02:10:18.279 don't know, but yeah, the ego that gets involved with 2405 02:10:18.399 --> 02:10:21.319 it is really fascinating, and I've I've tried really hard 2406 02:10:21.439 --> 02:10:24.359 to put my ego in check and sort of see 2407 02:10:24.399 --> 02:10:27.159 it when it comes out. And I keep shaving my 2408 02:10:27.359 --> 02:10:31.159 head to try to like just find these moments of 2409 02:10:31.319 --> 02:10:35.319 being very humble and letting go of any kind of ego. 2410 02:10:35.760 --> 02:10:38.399 Yeah, it's a mixed bag. And unfortunately that you know 2411 02:10:38.520 --> 02:10:40.960 this subject, it does have that, it does have the 2412 02:10:41.079 --> 02:10:44.520 ego side of it, and it's borderline hero worship, you know, 2413 02:10:44.640 --> 02:10:48.279 to a degree. And what we want is for people 2414 02:10:48.560 --> 02:10:52.600 to not recoil about their own experiences, no matter how small, 2415 02:10:52.600 --> 02:10:55.039 because I've always said people are welcome on the show. 2416 02:10:55.079 --> 02:10:57.399 It doesn't matter if they've just in lights in the 2417 02:10:57.439 --> 02:10:59.800 sky or they've been you know, they've been missing for 2418 02:11:00.039 --> 02:11:02.800 five days. It's all important. So we you know, we 2419 02:11:02.920 --> 02:11:06.560 want people to share share their experiences. And yeah, I 2420 02:11:06.640 --> 02:11:10.119 get emails from people who they want to meet aliens. 2421 02:11:10.119 --> 02:11:12.880 You know, they want to have these experiences, but they 2422 02:11:12.960 --> 02:11:15.439 you know, they haven't. But you know, I always say 2423 02:11:15.439 --> 02:11:17.439 at the end of the show, keep watching the skies, 2424 02:11:17.600 --> 02:11:19.640 you know, keep living your life and keep doing what 2425 02:11:19.720 --> 02:11:20.119 you're doing. 2426 02:11:20.439 --> 02:11:23.479 Yeah, And my advice is is that, well, if you 2427 02:11:23.600 --> 02:11:27.279 want to see extraterrestrials so bad, then why don't you 2428 02:11:27.439 --> 02:11:31.359 just start working on yourself and find that spiritual evolution 2429 02:11:31.960 --> 02:11:34.720 that puts you out in the wilderness, that puts you 2430 02:11:34.960 --> 02:11:39.159 in a place of either isolation or into a category 2431 02:11:39.479 --> 02:11:42.359 of pre abductee. But like you know, from all the 2432 02:11:42.479 --> 02:11:45.119 research that I've done, you know, it's a lot of 2433 02:11:45.239 --> 02:11:48.319 really strange things going on with each person that has 2434 02:11:48.439 --> 02:11:50.359 this happened to them. You know, a lot of them 2435 02:11:50.439 --> 02:11:52.840 have the family that are in the military. You know, 2436 02:11:53.039 --> 02:11:55.640 that's that's a given where their parents are in the military. 2437 02:11:56.039 --> 02:12:01.920 Green eyes, hazel eyes, Cherokee blood, chalk top blo Scottish bloodlines. 2438 02:12:02.520 --> 02:12:04.439 And Chris has talked to me about that as well. 2439 02:12:04.520 --> 02:12:04.960 And a lot of. 2440 02:12:04.960 --> 02:12:07.279 People, you know, when you say that kind of stuff, 2441 02:12:07.319 --> 02:12:09.600 they go, oh great, here we go to woo woo 2442 02:12:09.640 --> 02:12:12.960 oo land. But I mean, there's got to be something, 2443 02:12:13.640 --> 02:12:16.520 you know, in each piece of DNA is just as 2444 02:12:16.600 --> 02:12:20.840 many numbers in there as there are stars in the galaxy. 2445 02:12:21.359 --> 02:12:23.720 And so for a long time that's what I thought. 2446 02:12:23.760 --> 02:12:26.560 I thought that these things were DNA hunters and that 2447 02:12:26.800 --> 02:12:29.119 that's what they were doing, and they were hybridizing. And 2448 02:12:29.159 --> 02:12:31.439 then if you really want to understand aliens, you really 2449 02:12:31.520 --> 02:12:35.960 need to get a degree in genetics and understand you know, 2450 02:12:36.079 --> 02:12:40.039 the Crispers and you know what's going on today currently 2451 02:12:40.119 --> 02:12:43.600 in genetics. What have we cloned lately? Right, we've already 2452 02:12:43.600 --> 02:12:47.000 cloned humans, if that's possible, And these hybrid stories of 2453 02:12:47.079 --> 02:12:49.079 all these people that are talking, you know, but then 2454 02:12:49.119 --> 02:12:51.439 there's other component of souls and that there's only a 2455 02:12:51.520 --> 02:12:53.840 fine amount of those in the universe and that they're 2456 02:12:53.880 --> 02:12:57.680 sort of here harvesting us. And then that led me 2457 02:12:57.800 --> 02:13:01.520 into an even deeper thought of Okay, well maybe all 2458 02:13:01.640 --> 02:13:04.520 humans are trying to find meaning, but since we're like, 2459 02:13:04.800 --> 02:13:07.239 you know, freaks of nature in a way, and if 2460 02:13:07.279 --> 02:13:09.840 there was anyone that came and played with this laboratory, 2461 02:13:10.720 --> 02:13:13.039 because I mean, people always talk to me and they're like, well, 2462 02:13:13.039 --> 02:13:15.239 if aliens wanted to wipe us out, why wouldn't they 2463 02:13:15.319 --> 02:13:17.520 just do it? And I'm like, those things can fly 2464 02:13:17.680 --> 02:13:20.319 at thirteen thousand miles an hour. You really think that 2465 02:13:20.439 --> 02:13:23.760 this is our planet? There's no way we could even 2466 02:13:23.800 --> 02:13:26.840 defend ourselves. So when you know once people kind of 2467 02:13:26.920 --> 02:13:29.199 take a step back and be like, oh, yeah, that's true, 2468 02:13:29.279 --> 02:13:31.479 and then they probably wouldn't fight us on that level, 2469 02:13:31.640 --> 02:13:34.039 that they would rather integrate and that we could be 2470 02:13:34.119 --> 02:13:39.000 a possibly potential spawn or children of the alien races 2471 02:13:39.079 --> 02:13:42.399 that came and went. You know, it makes me go 2472 02:13:42.520 --> 02:13:45.239 to the story of Angus beef and how there was 2473 02:13:45.319 --> 02:13:48.560 a Scottish guy who was living in the plains and 2474 02:13:48.760 --> 02:13:51.880 it was in the eighteen seventies, I believe, and he 2475 02:13:52.159 --> 02:13:55.239 brought over cows from Scotland and had them breed with 2476 02:13:55.560 --> 02:13:57.920 the native cows that were all skinny, and I think 2477 02:13:57.920 --> 02:14:01.359 it was the eighteen seventy three auction. He brought in 2478 02:14:01.520 --> 02:14:04.560 those cows and they were freaks. Nobody had ever seen 2479 02:14:04.680 --> 02:14:06.920 that much meat on a cow. Ever, And now there's 2480 02:14:06.960 --> 02:14:10.159 twenty five thousand Ingus bee farms, and you look at 2481 02:14:10.279 --> 02:14:13.640 how they do their programs. The best Angus bee farms 2482 02:14:13.680 --> 02:14:15.800 are the ones that do not have a plan for 2483 02:14:15.880 --> 02:14:18.880 their genetics program. They do it different every single time. 2484 02:14:20.000 --> 02:14:22.399 And then you listen to David Jacobs and he saying, well, 2485 02:14:22.439 --> 02:14:25.359 you know, these aliens or whatever, if they're real, the 2486 02:14:25.479 --> 02:14:28.079 mistakes that they're making are the same mistakes that they've 2487 02:14:28.119 --> 02:14:31.279 been making for as long as we've been recording them, 2488 02:14:31.319 --> 02:14:33.760 and they make small mistakes, not big mistakes, so they 2489 02:14:33.880 --> 02:14:38.319 must have practiced and done this somewhere else. So yeah, 2490 02:14:38.600 --> 02:14:41.560 just just sort of like lead you into this really 2491 02:14:41.640 --> 02:14:44.840 impractical place of being an angus cow and wondering why 2492 02:14:44.920 --> 02:14:48.439 you even exist, you know what I mean, And you 2493 02:14:48.560 --> 02:14:51.439 can get really caught up in all those different. 2494 02:14:51.159 --> 02:14:55.359 Layers, one hundred percent, you can. Yeah, I mean, at 2495 02:14:55.359 --> 02:14:58.279 the end of the day, we are just lifeforms grazing 2496 02:14:58.359 --> 02:15:01.800 and living our lives. You've definitely been nippolating. I don't 2497 02:15:01.840 --> 02:15:04.680 think we're that unique to the universe. 2498 02:15:05.039 --> 02:15:08.279 Well, and I don't think that the UFO phenomenon is 2499 02:15:08.399 --> 02:15:11.199 a special thing. I think that it's a natural thing 2500 02:15:11.680 --> 02:15:14.239 that occurs in the universe, and that if you're around 2501 02:15:14.439 --> 02:15:17.159 long enough and you're able to spend enough time, you 2502 02:15:17.279 --> 02:15:19.720 will see one of these things go around and do 2503 02:15:19.880 --> 02:15:23.279 its business and move along. And maybe that's just how 2504 02:15:23.439 --> 02:15:26.479 certain things happen. I mean, we're so far from having 2505 02:15:26.520 --> 02:15:30.199 an understanding of even how the universe started that we 2506 02:15:30.319 --> 02:15:33.039 need a telescope that's you know, out in the orbit 2507 02:15:33.119 --> 02:15:35.800 of Mars and is you know, the size of Pluto 2508 02:15:36.119 --> 02:15:39.239 to be able to really see in great detail all 2509 02:15:39.319 --> 02:15:41.439 the things that we need to see to actually have 2510 02:15:41.560 --> 02:15:44.039 an open eye to the universe. I mean, they're still 2511 02:15:44.079 --> 02:15:47.279 looking at stuff that Hubble's already looked at. And you know, 2512 02:15:47.319 --> 02:15:50.760 we have the eight impossible galaxies or the six impossible 2513 02:15:50.840 --> 02:15:54.920 galaxies that should not exist, that should be primordial galaxies 2514 02:15:54.960 --> 02:15:57.479 that are rough and rugged, that are smooth, and not 2515 02:15:57.600 --> 02:16:00.640 only that, they're bigger than the Milky Way galaxy. There's 2516 02:16:00.760 --> 02:16:04.840 obviously something going on here, and that humanity has such 2517 02:16:05.079 --> 02:16:09.159 a high level of amnesia that how could anybody even 2518 02:16:09.279 --> 02:16:12.199 figure out this enigma on their own? Anyways? You know 2519 02:16:12.239 --> 02:16:13.840 what I mean, you'd have to have so many different 2520 02:16:13.920 --> 02:16:17.319 puzzle pieces, you'd have to have so many different experiences, 2521 02:16:18.039 --> 02:16:19.800 and then you have all that information, what do you 2522 02:16:19.920 --> 02:16:23.479 even do with it? If nobody even cares? And that's 2523 02:16:23.560 --> 02:16:26.880 my thing. It's just like smoke some weed, chill out, 2524 02:16:27.199 --> 02:16:30.079 go serve, be real nice to every person you meet, 2525 02:16:30.520 --> 02:16:33.079 and just do the best you can. Maybe not do drugs, 2526 02:16:33.120 --> 02:16:35.639 but you know, just whatever you need to do to, like, 2527 02:16:35.879 --> 02:16:39.719 you know, find your place and find that happy place. 2528 02:16:40.200 --> 02:16:43.239 Because even if aliens do come down and try to 2529 02:16:43.319 --> 02:16:45.760 help us and instill all of those things. None of 2530 02:16:45.840 --> 02:16:47.559 it's gonna work if nobody cares. 2531 02:16:48.000 --> 02:16:50.920 Yeah, I think it's a slow process. You know, the 2532 02:16:51.000 --> 02:16:53.360 more people come out and talk about it, you know, 2533 02:16:53.440 --> 02:16:58.239 the less ridicule that be less skepticism. You know, it'd 2534 02:16:58.280 --> 02:17:01.239 be something which we could understand. And if more people 2535 02:17:01.280 --> 02:17:03.440 are on board, and it is people that are slowly, 2536 02:17:03.719 --> 02:17:06.440 slowly turning, you know, more people that talking about these days, 2537 02:17:06.760 --> 02:17:09.799 wanting to look into it and understand that there is 2538 02:17:10.000 --> 02:17:13.680 there is something bigger out there than us. Wonderful stuff, James, 2539 02:17:13.879 --> 02:17:17.520 Now to our listeners. James has referred to his artwork 2540 02:17:17.719 --> 02:17:20.840 quite a lot during this recording. He has done several 2541 02:17:21.159 --> 02:17:24.319 drawings of his experiences. I will make all the links 2542 02:17:24.360 --> 02:17:28.200 available to James, and I do believe as of today 2543 02:17:28.520 --> 02:17:31.440 he does have a website available. Can you give us 2544 02:17:31.680 --> 02:17:32.879 the web address please, James? 2545 02:17:33.200 --> 02:17:35.799 Yes, I actually did it right before this podcast because 2546 02:17:35.799 --> 02:17:38.040 it's been such an endeavor and a challenge for me. 2547 02:17:38.399 --> 02:17:41.280 It's ufosurfer dot. 2548 02:17:41.319 --> 02:17:45.000 Art wonderful stuff. I will naturally put the links below 2549 02:17:45.440 --> 02:17:47.760 so people can go follow you, you know, and look 2550 02:17:47.799 --> 02:17:50.440 at your art. I'd also make it available on what 2551 02:17:50.639 --> 02:17:53.600 UFO chronicles website and on x as well, because that's 2552 02:17:53.799 --> 02:17:56.040 pretty much where I frequent these days when it comes 2553 02:17:56.079 --> 02:17:59.120 to social media. Great stuff, James, You're a natural. 2554 02:17:59.559 --> 02:18:02.520 Oh, I really appreciate this, you know. It's it's weird, 2555 02:18:02.639 --> 02:18:05.040 like when the if the UFO stuff does come out 2556 02:18:05.319 --> 02:18:08.760 and disclosure and all of this, it's almost sort of 2557 02:18:08.920 --> 02:18:10.680 sad for me in a way. It's people are going 2558 02:18:10.760 --> 02:18:13.879 to find out about this beautiful like secret or this 2559 02:18:14.079 --> 02:18:17.040 amazing whale or something that I knew about in this 2560 02:18:17.280 --> 02:18:20.280 code that I was visiting this whole time, and and 2561 02:18:20.479 --> 02:18:24.879 and so there's this weird, weird disparity between wanting everyone 2562 02:18:25.000 --> 02:18:27.959 to have that conversation at dinner parties and then also 2563 02:18:28.440 --> 02:18:32.920 just enjoying that intimate connection that I have. And so yeah, 2564 02:18:32.959 --> 02:18:35.959 I just I really appreciate this, and I love what 2565 02:18:36.079 --> 02:18:39.159 you do. And I am that guy that's out there 2566 02:18:39.399 --> 02:18:41.600 that had all this stuff happen to them, that just 2567 02:18:41.719 --> 02:18:44.639 kept it to themselves for such a long time that 2568 02:18:44.840 --> 02:18:47.520 to do a podcast like this and to have my 2569 02:18:47.680 --> 02:18:50.319 art out there like this, this is this is a miracle. 2570 02:18:50.680 --> 02:18:50.879 You know. 2571 02:18:51.479 --> 02:18:53.719 I think when it does come out, I don't think 2572 02:18:53.840 --> 02:18:56.840 that would ever be taken away from you because it's 2573 02:18:56.879 --> 02:19:00.479 something obviously which should be shared with everyone. And I 2574 02:19:00.600 --> 02:19:02.159 think a lot of those feelings that you have is 2575 02:19:02.479 --> 02:19:06.000 something which goes back to childhood, is believing in there's 2576 02:19:06.040 --> 02:19:10.120 always there's something out there that magical us, something unexplained 2577 02:19:10.239 --> 02:19:13.280 and mysterious, and I think we always we always want that, 2578 02:19:13.440 --> 02:19:16.120 you know, we always like that from our childhood, there's wondering, 2579 02:19:16.159 --> 02:19:19.200 amazement out there. Ever did come out, you will still 2580 02:19:19.319 --> 02:19:22.760 have that way out in that cod I agree. 2581 02:19:23.000 --> 02:19:25.920 And it's kind of like a lifetime of just not 2582 02:19:26.079 --> 02:19:28.719 having a lot of friends and you know, people who 2583 02:19:28.879 --> 02:19:32.319 have this severity of ADHD, you know, it's just really 2584 02:19:32.399 --> 02:19:35.159 hard to have friends and you know, we're calling you 2585 02:19:35.280 --> 02:19:37.639 up at seven o'clock in the morning and sending you 2586 02:19:37.680 --> 02:19:39.920 a text at three o'clock and just really have a 2587 02:19:39.959 --> 02:19:43.920 hard time keeping the excitement down. And so it's just 2588 02:19:43.959 --> 02:19:48.280 about belonging. I've always just wanted to belong to something. 2589 02:19:49.000 --> 02:19:51.639 It was surfing and that that helped me to get 2590 02:19:51.719 --> 02:19:55.479 through my mom's second divorce. But this belonging to the 2591 02:19:55.600 --> 02:19:58.040 UFO community has been really fascinating too. I mean there's 2592 02:19:58.120 --> 02:20:03.680 just some seriously g and nice, like incredibly nice, sweet 2593 02:20:03.879 --> 02:20:07.200 people involved with this that blow me away that I've 2594 02:20:07.239 --> 02:20:09.520 had these surfing friends for twenty years and I've only 2595 02:20:09.600 --> 02:20:11.559 known a couple of people in the UFO community, but 2596 02:20:11.600 --> 02:20:14.239 they're already out doing all of these other friends that 2597 02:20:14.360 --> 02:20:18.120 I had by just being there. Yeah, just I just 2598 02:20:18.319 --> 02:20:21.319 want to belong to something, and that's what the sharing 2599 02:20:21.479 --> 02:20:21.840 is about. 2600 02:20:22.159 --> 02:20:24.000 Yeah, I know what you're saying, and you know you're 2601 02:20:24.040 --> 02:20:27.399 not alone because obviously I've done hundreds of guests over 2602 02:20:27.440 --> 02:20:29.639 the years. I'm still in contact with a lot of 2603 02:20:29.719 --> 02:20:35.040 the guests, and i still get daily messages from people, videos, images, 2604 02:20:35.239 --> 02:20:38.639 people which are having feelings, emotions, and it's not always 2605 02:20:38.680 --> 02:20:42.159 about the paranormal or UFO. Sometimes it's the family life. 2606 02:20:42.319 --> 02:20:45.000 They sometimes feel a disconnect from their partner or this 2607 02:20:45.159 --> 02:20:47.000 does something going on life, so they just like to talk. 2608 02:20:47.360 --> 02:20:49.639 So I know what you're saying, and you're not anyone 2609 02:20:49.680 --> 02:20:52.479 out there. You're not the only one he feels that way, 2610 02:20:52.520 --> 02:20:54.760 And yeah, of course Adhd is a bit of a 2611 02:20:54.879 --> 02:20:57.559 fawn in the side sometimes, but yeah, you're not alone, 2612 02:20:57.559 --> 02:21:00.040 and I think you do belong I completely understand and 2613 02:21:00.200 --> 02:21:03.399 what you're saying. So what's next for James, what's in 2614 02:21:03.479 --> 02:21:04.000 the future. 2615 02:21:04.440 --> 02:21:08.559 I'm just focusing on trying to make as much alien 2616 02:21:08.920 --> 02:21:13.040 UFO art as possible and trying to get into some galleries. 2617 02:21:13.399 --> 02:21:16.319 I'm working on my memoir. I'm working with an editor 2618 02:21:17.399 --> 02:21:20.879 that will be really helpful and cover artist as well. 2619 02:21:21.639 --> 02:21:23.719 Since I've been waited on this story for such a 2620 02:21:23.799 --> 02:21:27.239 long time, i wanted to spend some money and actually 2621 02:21:27.399 --> 02:21:29.719 do it right instead of just self publishing it and 2622 02:21:29.840 --> 02:21:33.520 throwing it out there. And so I'm taking the time 2623 02:21:33.840 --> 02:21:38.799 and doing that. Yeah, I'm also just for fun recreation wise, 2624 02:21:38.879 --> 02:21:41.280 I'm part of the Whope Brands Surf Club, which is 2625 02:21:41.399 --> 02:21:44.120 one of the biggest surf clubs in California. I like 2626 02:21:44.200 --> 02:21:47.120 to do competitions and so I would like to start 2627 02:21:47.280 --> 02:21:51.520 doing more longboard competitions and see if I could get 2628 02:21:51.559 --> 02:21:57.280 into the Olympics in twenty twenty eight. But that seems outrageous, 2629 02:21:57.520 --> 02:22:02.360 especially considering how insanely the competitors are and I'm nowhere 2630 02:22:02.440 --> 02:22:04.879 near as good as them. So just you know, some 2631 02:22:05.079 --> 02:22:06.040 goals stuff like that. 2632 02:22:06.319 --> 02:22:09.200 If I wish you the best, James, I really appreciate 2633 02:22:09.239 --> 02:22:11.079 you coming on sharing it all for our listeners. 2634 02:22:11.399 --> 02:22:13.799 Oh well, thank you so much. I really appreciate you 2635 02:22:14.040 --> 02:22:16.319 and everything that you do. And yeah, I love your 2636 02:22:16.399 --> 02:22:21.159 logo and just it's really cool, just your philosophy behind 2637 02:22:21.840 --> 02:22:25.680 finding people like myself that are sort of just sitting 2638 02:22:25.760 --> 02:22:29.319 around sort of holding in all of these experiences, and 2639 02:22:29.680 --> 02:22:33.239 how cathartic it is to actually talk and have somebody listen. 2640 02:22:33.479 --> 02:22:36.399 Now, you're more than welcome. Take care of yourself, James. Okay, 2641 02:22:36.520 --> 02:22:38.600 keep in contact and we will speak soon. 2642 02:22:38.760 --> 02:22:39.799 All right, thank you very much. 2643 02:22:39.840 --> 02:22:43.680 Okay, take care brother you too. That's all for this episode. 2644 02:22:43.920 --> 02:22:47.399 Keep updated and connect with the show on x Facebook 2645 02:22:47.559 --> 02:22:50.000 and Instagram. And if you have an encounter that you'd 2646 02:22:50.079 --> 02:22:52.680 like to share on the podcast, you can email me 2647 02:22:52.879 --> 02:22:56.959 at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com, or you can 2648 02:22:57.040 --> 02:22:59.280 reach out to me via the contact page on my 2649 02:22:59.399 --> 02:23:03.920 website ufo Chronicles podcast dot com. A big fanger to 2650 02:23:04.040 --> 02:23:07.280 James for sharing tonight, and thank you all for listening. 2651 02:23:07.600 --> 02:23:11.360 I will be back next week. Till then, stay safe 2652 02:23:11.639 --> 02:23:14.280 and keep watching the skies. Goodbye,