WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:01.919 Baby, I'm a gangstato. 2 00:00:02.720 --> 00:00:04.160 It takes out a tangle. 3 00:00:04.759 --> 00:00:08.880 You don't mess with me, baby, I'm a gangsta. 4 00:00:09.000 --> 00:00:16.359 Touch baby, you're a Gangstattoo. 5 00:00:23.800 --> 00:00:26.800 For the warners, this podcast is designed to take you 6 00:00:26.839 --> 00:00:29.839 outside of your comfort zone and make you question reality. 7 00:00:30.239 --> 00:00:42.159 Listener Discretion is a vibe the fellas. This ain't my 8 00:00:42.280 --> 00:00:55.439 first time at the rodeos, William Ramsey, It's been a 9 00:00:55.479 --> 00:00:58.640 long time actually, I think maybe even about a year 10 00:00:58.840 --> 00:01:01.399 since we've talked. How are you? 11 00:01:02.439 --> 00:01:02.719 How are you? 12 00:01:02.799 --> 00:01:03.520 How was your Christmas? 13 00:01:04.239 --> 00:01:08.200 It's good, it was good. I'm interested to see what 14 00:01:08.200 --> 00:01:11.400 it's gonna break loose in the new year. Not gonna lie. 15 00:01:11.760 --> 00:01:14.280 Do you have any predictions for us? 16 00:01:15.719 --> 00:01:17.920 I think it's just gonna be more chaos and trouble, 17 00:01:18.000 --> 00:01:19.920 So I'm not so. 18 00:01:20.480 --> 00:01:24.159 I love you. I have no idea, you know. I 19 00:01:24.319 --> 00:01:26.920 spoke with the guests recently and they were talking about 20 00:01:26.920 --> 00:01:30.879 how the pendulum swings and right now we're super super 21 00:01:30.920 --> 00:01:34.480 far left, and we'll gradually head to like super super 22 00:01:34.519 --> 00:01:37.760 far right, and I don't know, it's just like a 23 00:01:37.799 --> 00:01:41.040 pattern kind of throughout time. So I don't know. 24 00:01:41.120 --> 00:01:46.239 We'll see, Yeah, we will see. I mean, it pretends 25 00:01:46.280 --> 00:01:50.680 to be very interesting coming. I think that I'll be 26 00:01:50.760 --> 00:01:53.079 surprised if Trump even gets into office. Thing, he's got 27 00:01:53.120 --> 00:01:56.239 to really twenty more days. Yeah, so try to kill 28 00:01:56.319 --> 00:01:58.760 him at least twice that we don't so who knows 29 00:01:58.840 --> 00:02:01.799 next one will be like go truck bomb or something 30 00:02:01.840 --> 00:02:04.439 like that. Right, they're scared. I think they're scared of 31 00:02:04.480 --> 00:02:07.159 all the prime with some of the bags of mine. Actually, 32 00:02:07.519 --> 00:02:11.319 the accountability this time because he seemed to angrycently may 33 00:02:11.360 --> 00:02:15.759 not be a peaceful transference now, so we'll. 34 00:02:15.560 --> 00:02:21.520 Have to see. Well, I actually have been kind of 35 00:02:21.520 --> 00:02:25.159 looking into something recently and I think you might actually 36 00:02:25.240 --> 00:02:30.680 know about it. I first discovered Dave McGowan from looking 37 00:02:30.719 --> 00:02:35.639 into the Laurel Canyon and I read strange scenes from 38 00:02:35.719 --> 00:02:39.159 the canyon, and then I've recently kind of been diving 39 00:02:39.159 --> 00:02:42.240 into one of his other books, which is Programmed to Kill. 40 00:02:43.280 --> 00:02:45.520 And I'm sure you're familiar with that one. Have you 41 00:02:45.560 --> 00:02:46.159 ever read it? 42 00:02:46.599 --> 00:02:48.599 I've read it many times. I read it again. I've 43 00:02:48.599 --> 00:02:50.520 done a show on it. So I did a show 44 00:02:51.120 --> 00:02:54.759 on program to Kill with Tom and Brett of SAP Cinema, 45 00:02:54.879 --> 00:02:57.199 so we kind of reviewed it. So I would say 46 00:02:57.240 --> 00:02:59.719 I'm very familiar with it. It's a seminal book. It's 47 00:02:59.719 --> 00:03:02.199 a very important book when you think about it. From 48 00:03:02.199 --> 00:03:04.960 two thousand and four. This is kind of the beginnings 49 00:03:04.960 --> 00:03:06.840 of the Internet. What he achieved and what he was 50 00:03:06.879 --> 00:03:12.840 able to compile for me is extraordinary, and. 51 00:03:12.879 --> 00:03:17.080 I think that a lot of times we get stuck 52 00:03:17.120 --> 00:03:19.639 on like the serial killer aspect of it. But there's 53 00:03:19.719 --> 00:03:23.120 like four or five chapters in the beginning when he 54 00:03:23.280 --> 00:03:30.800 breaks down all these pedophile rings and like the Belgian 55 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:33.759 beast I think is what they called him, Mark Dutroux, 56 00:03:34.560 --> 00:03:37.479 and he had all those little girls like buried all 57 00:03:37.520 --> 00:03:40.319 over his property and stuff. Those are the kind of 58 00:03:40.360 --> 00:03:43.240 things that people really don't even know about. 59 00:03:44.199 --> 00:03:46.280 They don't know how dark it was. The dutro was 60 00:03:46.400 --> 00:03:48.800 very very dark. I mean, that's an incredible story. I've 61 00:03:48.840 --> 00:03:52.840 interviewed people from Belgium about that. And there was actually 62 00:03:52.840 --> 00:03:55.960 a massive cover up, so much like the scandal that 63 00:03:56.039 --> 00:03:59.560 happened in Omaha, Nebraska that was covered by a couple 64 00:03:59.560 --> 00:04:03.000 of journals. But this is like, not only were they 65 00:04:03.039 --> 00:04:07.719 trafficking kids and Dutroux was networked, but they're like people 66 00:04:07.840 --> 00:04:10.560 kids who died in dungeons and stuff. But it went 67 00:04:10.599 --> 00:04:13.000 through the whole system in Belgium, like it reached to 68 00:04:13.039 --> 00:04:16.360 the top and implicated a lot of landed gentry like 69 00:04:17.120 --> 00:04:20.319 people who are the aristocracy there. But then when he 70 00:04:20.399 --> 00:04:23.480 got caught, like twenty five people around him died. So 71 00:04:23.639 --> 00:04:26.680 it's clearly a pretty intense cover up as well. But yeah, 72 00:04:27.079 --> 00:04:27.720 super dark. 73 00:04:29.519 --> 00:04:33.399 And so what did you think. I know you've talked 74 00:04:33.399 --> 00:04:37.199 about the Smiley Face killers a lot, what did you 75 00:04:37.279 --> 00:04:40.759 think after it started getting into some of the more 76 00:04:41.680 --> 00:04:44.759 well known serial killers, the gay Sy and the Dohmer 77 00:04:44.800 --> 00:04:47.399 and the Bundy. So a lot of the crimes that 78 00:04:47.439 --> 00:04:50.560 have been attributed to them don't even make sense for 79 00:04:50.680 --> 00:04:54.319 them to have committed the crime. And a lot of 80 00:04:54.360 --> 00:04:58.199 the Ted Bundy victims are like Smiley Face victims. They've 81 00:04:58.240 --> 00:05:00.920 been they found out, they've been hell somewhere for like 82 00:05:00.959 --> 00:05:04.439 a week and tortured and then they're drained of blood 83 00:05:04.600 --> 00:05:06.879 and then their bodies just pop up somewhere else. And 84 00:05:06.879 --> 00:05:09.279 then there was one of the gay Sy victims that 85 00:05:09.360 --> 00:05:11.319 turned up in a river or something like that. 86 00:05:11.560 --> 00:05:15.680 Last four, the last four Gaycy victims were all disposed 87 00:05:15.720 --> 00:05:19.680 of in southern Chicago in a river, so very much 88 00:05:19.800 --> 00:05:21.399 like the Atlanta child murders. 89 00:05:21.439 --> 00:05:23.560 By the way, what do you think, Like, could it 90 00:05:23.600 --> 00:05:27.120 be possible for the whole smiley faceing to have gone 91 00:05:27.240 --> 00:05:30.720 back even further than we can imagine? Like and some 92 00:05:31.279 --> 00:05:34.160 of these victims that they put on, these serial killers 93 00:05:34.160 --> 00:05:37.639 Ted Bundy, Gayzy, I don't even think they did it, 94 00:05:38.360 --> 00:05:40.920 like some of them, they weren't even in town, Like 95 00:05:41.120 --> 00:05:41.920 it's crazy. 96 00:05:42.399 --> 00:05:44.160 Yeah, No, I think you're right, and I think it's 97 00:05:44.199 --> 00:05:47.199 an interesting thing. Gaysey was clearly traveling around. One of 98 00:05:47.240 --> 00:05:49.199 the people who was going to be a victim who 99 00:05:49.240 --> 00:05:52.800 survived Gayzy uh said that he was in the house 100 00:05:52.839 --> 00:05:55.199 and saw a door open, So it wasn't Gayzy, So 101 00:05:55.240 --> 00:05:58.240 somebody else had to have known. And Gaysey was networked 102 00:05:58.240 --> 00:06:03.040 that there was these very uncomfortable connections between himself and 103 00:06:03.079 --> 00:06:05.279 the candy They call it the candy Man and the 104 00:06:05.360 --> 00:06:10.839 Clown was the documentary. But the Candyman in Houston, Texas, 105 00:06:10.839 --> 00:06:14.120 who was part of this pedophile network. He was connected 106 00:06:14.160 --> 00:06:16.319 between a guy whose name I can't remember now, between 107 00:06:16.360 --> 00:06:21.319 him Philip Paski thank you Pasky PASDHK or something like that. 108 00:06:21.360 --> 00:06:24.480 He who worked for Bundy and also one of the 109 00:06:24.519 --> 00:06:27.720 employees of Bundy went on to become known as the 110 00:06:27.800 --> 00:06:31.600 Ripper crew, So he was another his name was Gets 111 00:06:31.720 --> 00:06:34.759 or Goats, who was like a crew going around abducting 112 00:06:34.800 --> 00:06:38.319 women and torturing them the most horrible way imaginable. Definitely 113 00:06:38.319 --> 00:06:42.240 a Satanist, which they conveniently cover up. So I think 114 00:06:42.279 --> 00:06:44.360 some of the people who are attributed to Casey, I 115 00:06:44.399 --> 00:06:48.800 think Casey was politically connected. He was part of He's 116 00:06:48.839 --> 00:06:51.600 an Alderman. He was going to all kinds of jc's 117 00:06:51.639 --> 00:06:54.439 and all kinds of like social groups, So I think 118 00:06:54.480 --> 00:06:56.839 that there might have been other people involved. It would 119 00:06:56.879 --> 00:06:58.680 totally make sense. But he just took the fall. 120 00:07:00.399 --> 00:07:03.600 So I recently listened to The Clown and the Candyman, 121 00:07:03.959 --> 00:07:06.839 and I had no idea about this Dean Coral guy 122 00:07:07.120 --> 00:07:10.879 that was involved with all the gosh, what was his name, 123 00:07:11.160 --> 00:07:13.439 John David Norman or something like that. 124 00:07:13.680 --> 00:07:16.000 The Genesis Group or something Vegas group. 125 00:07:17.399 --> 00:07:20.439 And so there's it's all like interwoven like a web. 126 00:07:20.480 --> 00:07:22.839 There was like Dean Coral. Then there was a guy 127 00:07:23.160 --> 00:07:26.680 in the documentary she called it the first Pedophile Island 128 00:07:26.759 --> 00:07:30.360 or something like that, and I think his last name 129 00:07:30.439 --> 00:07:34.439 was Sherman or I'm not, I can't remember. And then 130 00:07:34.519 --> 00:07:38.199 this John David Norman guy in Philip Pasky, and when 131 00:07:38.680 --> 00:07:42.639 you put all of those pieces together, it just it's 132 00:07:42.680 --> 00:07:45.800 too much. And I don't know why we never took 133 00:07:45.839 --> 00:07:48.839 them at their word. Like Gacy used to say, there's 134 00:07:48.920 --> 00:07:52.560 other people involved. Bundy used to say there's other people involved, 135 00:07:52.680 --> 00:07:56.319 and we were just like, Okay, yeah, sure, there's other 136 00:07:56.399 --> 00:07:57.360 people involved. 137 00:07:58.480 --> 00:08:00.959 I think that it's the same kind of phenomenon that 138 00:08:01.000 --> 00:08:03.920 happened with Berkowitz. Is like you have the subject, there's 139 00:08:03.959 --> 00:08:09.000 this big panic within the local community, somebody gets caught, 140 00:08:09.279 --> 00:08:11.759 and then it's done, and so they have a clean cutcase. 141 00:08:11.800 --> 00:08:13.600 So it's a lot easier for the police, I think, 142 00:08:13.639 --> 00:08:17.079 and the authorities to just attribute it to one person 143 00:08:17.120 --> 00:08:19.759 and move forward and saying it's a whole network and 144 00:08:19.839 --> 00:08:22.360 trying to wrap it up with a huge network. And 145 00:08:22.399 --> 00:08:24.560 I think that, yeah, that's what happens with Franklin cover 146 00:08:24.680 --> 00:08:26.959 up too. This is a massive network. And I think 147 00:08:27.480 --> 00:08:30.040 McGowan keyed into that earlier. And there's a really good 148 00:08:30.040 --> 00:08:32.679 book that came out recently that's very arrowing, and I 149 00:08:32.679 --> 00:08:35.679 think it's kind of an adjunct to program to kill it. 150 00:08:36.159 --> 00:08:38.960 I have the CHICKENOK have you heard of that? 151 00:08:39.639 --> 00:08:39.840 No? 152 00:08:40.159 --> 00:08:42.960 Who is well? I don't know his real name, but 153 00:08:43.879 --> 00:08:46.600 he goes I can't remember his alias, but it's let 154 00:08:46.600 --> 00:08:48.480 me see if I can find it. But it's like 155 00:08:48.600 --> 00:08:52.639 basically going over It's like McGowan's book, but more detail 156 00:08:52.799 --> 00:08:58.840 of these networked pedophile groups. Oh my guy, Simon Dovey, 157 00:08:58.919 --> 00:08:59.399 do O v. 158 00:08:59.519 --> 00:09:02.279 E y, and you read this whole thing. 159 00:09:02.919 --> 00:09:05.480 I skimmed it, but let me see. I wish I 160 00:09:05.480 --> 00:09:06.879 could pull it up. Maybe you could pull it up. 161 00:09:06.919 --> 00:09:10.759 It's interesting because it's basically like a flow chart of 162 00:09:10.799 --> 00:09:12.879 these over It kind of goes into the theme of 163 00:09:12.879 --> 00:09:14.120 what we've been talking about. 164 00:09:14.440 --> 00:09:16.720 Let me I have the chicken behind it. 165 00:09:16.600 --> 00:09:19.159 Because it shows these little boxes and float chart like 166 00:09:19.200 --> 00:09:21.200 a I don't know what kind of diagram it is. 167 00:09:21.360 --> 00:09:23.799 I don't think it's a ben diagram, but just shows 168 00:09:23.799 --> 00:09:27.480 how they're all overlapping and connected, much like that Norman 169 00:09:27.559 --> 00:09:34.080 guy was was like pre internet. He was like a collector, right, 170 00:09:34.120 --> 00:09:36.879 so he's had this kind of collector keeper thing of 171 00:09:36.960 --> 00:09:39.639 like the young boys and the names and the past 172 00:09:39.720 --> 00:09:40.799 cards and all this stuff. 173 00:09:41.279 --> 00:09:43.639 Let me see if I can share. I just found 174 00:09:43.799 --> 00:09:48.159 I have the chicken hawk and it looks like so 175 00:09:48.320 --> 00:09:54.120 I found it on that's it, Yeah, Amazon, And it's 176 00:09:54.159 --> 00:09:56.559 got Yeah, it's got like this little web. 177 00:09:57.759 --> 00:10:01.679 Show, these webs of connects and connect yeah, and on 178 00:10:01.799 --> 00:10:04.120 mine it has really good reviews, like you know, four 179 00:10:04.159 --> 00:10:06.960 point five, but you'll just see the different names. 180 00:10:07.399 --> 00:10:09.960 So what are your thoughts on like Dahmer. 181 00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:14.240 Connected, he was onnoperative. He was well known within the 182 00:10:14.320 --> 00:10:17.519 kind of gay community, so I think that he whether 183 00:10:17.600 --> 00:10:20.240 he was doing it with other people is a is 184 00:10:20.279 --> 00:10:24.159 an open question, but he was definitely moving around. It's 185 00:10:24.240 --> 00:10:27.039 kind of interesting because he got kicked out of the 186 00:10:27.120 --> 00:10:31.360 gay clubs in Milwaukee and ended up in Chicago, probably 187 00:10:31.399 --> 00:10:34.200 at this Man's club where in the gay clubs that 188 00:10:34.720 --> 00:10:36.159 Barack Obama is a number of. 189 00:10:37.840 --> 00:10:38.679 Gut Yeah. 190 00:10:38.720 --> 00:10:43.960 You can look up the man's country stories pretty disturbing well. 191 00:10:44.039 --> 00:10:48.279 And you know, I just actually was covering a little 192 00:10:48.279 --> 00:10:51.200 something about Jeffrey Dahmer in the topic came up that 193 00:10:51.279 --> 00:10:54.600 while he was in Germany there was people going missing 194 00:10:54.679 --> 00:10:56.320 and weird stuff with that too. 195 00:10:56.879 --> 00:11:01.159 So I don't know murders in Florida as well, so 196 00:11:01.200 --> 00:11:03.879 he may not. And Gasey, I think I don't think 197 00:11:03.919 --> 00:11:05.919 he had all his murders. He was traveling around. There's 198 00:11:05.919 --> 00:11:08.240 a really good like I forgot the name of the 199 00:11:08.279 --> 00:11:11.080 YouTube channel. But there's a guy who was a potential 200 00:11:11.120 --> 00:11:14.720 gay sy victim in Tennessee. So Gaysey would take road 201 00:11:14.759 --> 00:11:17.879 trips and try to find victims too. With the standard 202 00:11:18.159 --> 00:11:23.720 m he would bring like one luggage full of porn, 203 00:11:23.799 --> 00:11:27.320 another luggage with the like BDSM stuff and do the 204 00:11:27.360 --> 00:11:31.000 same techniques like Coral did. Right, So he learned directly 205 00:11:31.000 --> 00:11:34.159 from Coral. Hey do you want to try on these handcuffs? 206 00:11:34.200 --> 00:11:35.919 You know, Hey, it's a joke. You can get out 207 00:11:35.919 --> 00:11:38.200 of it. And they were done. 208 00:11:39.600 --> 00:11:42.759 So even in that documentary The Clown and the Candyman, 209 00:11:42.879 --> 00:11:46.000 she does a great job of connecting everything together, especially 210 00:11:46.279 --> 00:11:50.320 with the handcuff trick. And why would those two killers 211 00:11:50.919 --> 00:11:55.480 know the same handcuff trick quote unquote, But I had 212 00:11:55.840 --> 00:11:58.639 I recently just found out about Dean Coral, and I 213 00:11:58.679 --> 00:12:01.559 wonder why he's not made a bigger deal out of. 214 00:12:02.120 --> 00:12:05.000 It's a good question. I think that that dad is 215 00:12:05.039 --> 00:12:08.240 a huge bunch of like deaths, like all of them. 216 00:12:08.279 --> 00:12:12.480 And yeah, and they had these two kids working for 217 00:12:12.559 --> 00:12:15.879 him and they confessed. There's like videos of them together. 218 00:12:16.879 --> 00:12:19.879 So it's a disturbing it's a super disturbing story. And 219 00:12:19.960 --> 00:12:22.480 just the connections to the stuff, like where else is 220 00:12:22.519 --> 00:12:25.720 it happening? And how do you attribute these abductions? And 221 00:12:25.799 --> 00:12:30.799 then is this the predicate to the smiley faced killings? 222 00:12:30.840 --> 00:12:33.080 Because how similar are those victims to the victims of 223 00:12:33.080 --> 00:12:37.440 the SFK young men college age? Right? So instead of 224 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:40.840 like maybe they're doing some international thing and there's like 225 00:12:40.879 --> 00:12:43.120 a psychic I had on my new on my most 226 00:12:43.159 --> 00:12:47.639 recent book, and she says they are kind of you know, 227 00:12:48.600 --> 00:12:50.919 in whatever she received, how much you want to take 228 00:12:50.919 --> 00:12:53.399 it as he with a grain of salt. But she 229 00:12:53.480 --> 00:12:56.320 says they're being collected. They're being filmed, much like these 230 00:12:56.360 --> 00:12:58.320 guys are being filmed, you know, or I think there 231 00:12:58.399 --> 00:13:01.200 was a film maybe in Connection Mists, but like she 232 00:13:01.320 --> 00:13:04.440 thinks that that's part of this whole phenomenon. Is this 233 00:13:04.600 --> 00:13:08.440 kind of duck did keep kept for a while, right, 234 00:13:08.600 --> 00:13:11.120 and then disposed of like really bad. 235 00:13:11.879 --> 00:13:14.320 So they're so they're making snuff films. 236 00:13:14.679 --> 00:13:15.759 Yeah, that's what she's said. 237 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:18.039 That makes sense. 238 00:13:18.279 --> 00:13:21.279 Yeah, makes a ton of sense. Right, So go select 239 00:13:21.279 --> 00:13:24.480 and it's you know, where's the most vulnerable place a 240 00:13:24.600 --> 00:13:27.360 dude walking alone after drinking at a bar, after maybe 241 00:13:27.360 --> 00:13:30.399 he got drugged with somebody in there or something. There's 242 00:13:30.440 --> 00:13:33.559 a process but the stories are just every story's kind 243 00:13:33.600 --> 00:13:36.919 of the same. Sadly about the Smiley based killers, young guy, 244 00:13:37.600 --> 00:13:41.720 most half of them are probably gay at a gay bar, acts, 245 00:13:41.759 --> 00:13:45.759 strange disappears down the river and yeah, it's still happening 246 00:13:45.799 --> 00:13:47.840 like a lot in are Austin. 247 00:13:48.919 --> 00:13:51.320 Yeah, I was gonna say, I keep seeing him popping 248 00:13:51.399 --> 00:13:53.679 up randomly and I'll be like, oh, I bet William 249 00:13:53.720 --> 00:13:56.279 has seen this one. This is definitely it's hard to 250 00:13:56.399 --> 00:13:56.840 keep up. 251 00:13:57.279 --> 00:13:59.399 Like I it would be a literally be a full 252 00:13:59.440 --> 00:13:59.879 time job. 253 00:14:00.320 --> 00:14:03.559 Yeah, no, I'm kidding, But that's why I think, like 254 00:14:03.639 --> 00:14:07.639 some of these victims, like Gaysey victims and even some 255 00:14:07.759 --> 00:14:10.559 of the Bundy victims that were held for a long 256 00:14:10.600 --> 00:14:13.000 time and then they turned up later and gay sy 257 00:14:13.159 --> 00:14:16.320 five of them in the river. Well after they put 258 00:14:17.080 --> 00:14:21.759 Bundy away, like people still kept going missing and bodies 259 00:14:21.840 --> 00:14:23.679 kept turning up, and then they would blame it on 260 00:14:23.720 --> 00:14:26.519 the Green River killer, or you know, it was the 261 00:14:26.559 --> 00:14:30.799 next killer, the next killer. But honestly, it could be 262 00:14:30.879 --> 00:14:34.879 the same group of killers since the beginning, Like I'm 263 00:14:34.879 --> 00:14:40.960 talking Zodiac, I'm talking you know, Manson, son of Sam, all. 264 00:14:40.840 --> 00:14:45.039 Of them, You're right, I mean, that's how scary it is. 265 00:14:45.679 --> 00:14:47.679 And I think it, like I said, it's convenient for 266 00:14:47.720 --> 00:14:50.159 the police, just like it's convenient for the authorities to 267 00:14:50.240 --> 00:14:55.120 say these you know, stage drownings are accidents, right, It's 268 00:14:55.200 --> 00:14:57.919 very they're looking for a convenient way. They don't want 269 00:14:57.919 --> 00:15:00.559 to do the hard work or actually do the thing 270 00:15:00.600 --> 00:15:03.600 and actually go, hey, this might be networked type of people. 271 00:15:03.960 --> 00:15:06.000 I mean, they did it in the kind of the 272 00:15:06.080 --> 00:15:08.919 Ripper crew out of Chicago. This guy gets who has 273 00:15:09.200 --> 00:15:12.720 worked for Bundy. They actually arrested all the people surrounding 274 00:15:12.799 --> 00:15:17.080 them and so but sometimes they do get the whole group. 275 00:15:17.080 --> 00:15:18.919 But I think, you know, some of these are working groups. 276 00:15:18.960 --> 00:15:21.000 There was another guy that I did a research who 277 00:15:21.039 --> 00:15:24.039 was a gay serial killer and the book was by macdonnaugh. 278 00:15:24.080 --> 00:15:26.759 His name was Craft. There's another kind of guy like 279 00:15:26.799 --> 00:15:29.759 Coral who isn't emphasized. You almost never hear about the 280 00:15:29.759 --> 00:15:32.679 skuy Los Angeles. Guess how many victims they think he 281 00:15:32.759 --> 00:15:34.519 had attributed to him? 282 00:15:35.039 --> 00:15:38.720 One hundred, one hundred victims here, one hundred victims. 283 00:15:38.759 --> 00:15:40.919 And then mcdonna's like, yeah, there's no way he could 284 00:15:40.960 --> 00:15:43.840 have done it alone. Because and this is kind of 285 00:15:43.879 --> 00:15:45.960 like a process of thinking about the Smiley Face killers 286 00:15:45.960 --> 00:15:48.000 that's why I interviewed him. But he couldn't have done 287 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:50.960 it alone because there was one where the victim was 288 00:15:51.000 --> 00:15:54.000 tossed from a moving car, so like how could somebody 289 00:15:54.039 --> 00:15:58.200 be driving or right, So it's like this, this doesn't 290 00:15:58.200 --> 00:16:01.240 make sense. And the same thing happened with another gay 291 00:16:01.360 --> 00:16:04.559 serial killer's name was Eyler in the Midwest, kind of 292 00:16:04.600 --> 00:16:10.000 almost like Jeffrey Dahmer Isler A y L e R. 293 00:16:10.080 --> 00:16:11.960 He was released to Kill that was the name of 294 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:16.919 the book by Colaric and he she said like he 295 00:16:17.000 --> 00:16:19.559 probably was working with somebody else, and the filming and 296 00:16:19.679 --> 00:16:23.600 keeping and the BDSM and all that, those elements are all. 297 00:16:23.519 --> 00:16:30.320 There, you know, shut up. Wow. And then there's like 298 00:16:30.399 --> 00:16:36.720 the her Baumeister, Yeah, that bridella guy. 299 00:16:37.840 --> 00:16:40.720 Yeah, that's the same thing. They were keeping people right right. 300 00:16:40.919 --> 00:16:45.159 Yeah, So it's like they're getting trained from on high 301 00:16:45.320 --> 00:16:47.639 and it's just like trickling down into like all these 302 00:16:47.679 --> 00:16:49.440 different networks. 303 00:16:49.039 --> 00:16:54.559 Right right, is in the program to kill also in 304 00:16:54.639 --> 00:16:59.080 and out of mental institutions, just like what was his name, 305 00:16:59.519 --> 00:17:01.480 Henry Lee Lucas, Right, So Henry. 306 00:17:01.279 --> 00:17:02.759 And otis Tool, Yeah. 307 00:17:02.639 --> 00:17:05.279 Adis Tool, yeah, O T T I s Audust Tool 308 00:17:05.480 --> 00:17:08.359 who's a very scary guy. The videos on that guy online, 309 00:17:08.799 --> 00:17:10.400 like if you saw him walking down the street, you 310 00:17:10.400 --> 00:17:11.240 went across. 311 00:17:10.960 --> 00:17:14.920 The street, Jesus, Yeah, no kidding, crazy looking. Oh, his 312 00:17:15.039 --> 00:17:18.079 family was what Satanist who dressed him up like a 313 00:17:18.119 --> 00:17:19.759 girl when he was a kid, and. 314 00:17:19.920 --> 00:17:23.440 Like traumatized from the very beginning, Like it's really Gek 315 00:17:23.559 --> 00:17:25.799 Robin Ghek was the name of the Ripper killer. That 316 00:17:25.920 --> 00:17:29.960 was okay, I was associated with the Who's in program 317 00:17:30.079 --> 00:17:34.640 to kill associated with Bundy g e ht But yeah, 318 00:17:34.759 --> 00:17:36.599 I mean in a Satanist too, like a stone. 319 00:17:36.319 --> 00:17:41.119 Called Satanist ted Bundy actually when after he was sentenced 320 00:17:41.119 --> 00:17:44.200 to death, ended up in the cell right next to Tool. 321 00:17:46.519 --> 00:17:50.119 It's just like it's just like they. 322 00:17:49.640 --> 00:17:52.039 Know each other too. Like I've done a thing on 323 00:17:52.160 --> 00:17:55.640 Schroeder who was the thing and he like compared himself 324 00:17:55.680 --> 00:17:59.359 to Bundy, and Bundy had a suspicious background, like there's 325 00:17:59.480 --> 00:18:01.880 research she said he was part of some kind of 326 00:18:02.200 --> 00:18:07.000 dark group in the Washington area and people liked to 327 00:18:07.279 --> 00:18:11.279 you know, I allege this and it's just so strange. 328 00:18:11.359 --> 00:18:17.960 Like the girl he wrote about him knew him and rule. 329 00:18:17.559 --> 00:18:20.799 She's she's something. She's also the first one that gave 330 00:18:20.799 --> 00:18:24.759 his name to the police. She's also friends with two 331 00:18:24.759 --> 00:18:31.000 of the victims. She also attended some kind of conference 332 00:18:31.079 --> 00:18:33.400 that they were having about all these missing girls, but 333 00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:36.400 they didn't know it was Ted yet, and then all 334 00:18:36.440 --> 00:18:38.480 of a sudden she goes to this conference and like 335 00:18:38.519 --> 00:18:41.000 a couple days later, she gives his name over to 336 00:18:41.039 --> 00:18:45.119 the Ted squad is what they called it. And I 337 00:18:45.160 --> 00:18:47.680 don't know. Ann Rule actually pops up a lot in 338 00:18:47.720 --> 00:18:50.200 the Ted Bundy story, and then she wrote that book. 339 00:18:50.240 --> 00:18:54.039 I think it's called The Stranger Beside Me, and she 340 00:18:54.240 --> 00:18:57.680 made herself and Ted famous in the process, So I 341 00:18:57.720 --> 00:18:59.599 don't know, cash Jen. 342 00:18:59.599 --> 00:19:02.720 I mean, there's weird connections like that. In these serial Killers. 343 00:19:03.039 --> 00:19:06.799 Catherine Ramsland becomes friends with Dennis Rader and writes the 344 00:19:06.799 --> 00:19:10.240 book about him. She's a PhD student, makes a lot 345 00:19:10.240 --> 00:19:13.119 of money, sells a lot of books, becomes famous. Who's 346 00:19:13.160 --> 00:19:16.000 one of her students. It's the guy who killed all 347 00:19:16.000 --> 00:19:21.680 the people in Moscow, Idaho. Was literally, yeah, the Moscow, 348 00:19:21.720 --> 00:19:25.640 Idaho's killer studied under Ramsland criminal criminal. 349 00:19:25.880 --> 00:19:26.440 Wow. 350 00:19:26.839 --> 00:19:30.599 Yeah, No, there's a direct connection between what was his 351 00:19:30.680 --> 00:19:37.599 name Ramsland? I forgot his name notes Schroeder. 352 00:19:37.720 --> 00:19:39.559 So he has a I think in German last name 353 00:19:40.480 --> 00:19:41.400 the serial killer. 354 00:19:41.559 --> 00:19:43.559 Yeah, the guy who killed the four women of the 355 00:19:43.880 --> 00:19:53.839 college aged people in Idaho, the Idaho More Coburger. Coburger 356 00:19:53.920 --> 00:19:55.119 studied under Ramsland. 357 00:19:55.200 --> 00:20:00.519 Yeah, So do you think that there are because I've 358 00:20:00.519 --> 00:20:03.799 asked myself this question, do you think that there are 359 00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:09.960 authentic grassroots serial killers among us? Or do you think 360 00:20:10.000 --> 00:20:13.200 that this has all been sensationalized in its networks and 361 00:20:13.240 --> 00:20:16.119 its cover ups and it's all I mean, we know 362 00:20:16.200 --> 00:20:20.759 about the infamous serial killers, but could there be also 363 00:20:20.960 --> 00:20:26.240 an equal amount of like grassroots just crazy psychopathic human 364 00:20:26.279 --> 00:20:28.240 beings out there that just want to kill other people. 365 00:20:29.160 --> 00:20:31.200 I think it's a mix. I think it's a mix. 366 00:20:31.240 --> 00:20:33.759 I think some of these guys are working together and 367 00:20:33.799 --> 00:20:36.519 they all there are only one who gets caught. And 368 00:20:36.599 --> 00:20:39.039 I think that there are that one guy Little who's 369 00:20:39.039 --> 00:20:42.240 an African American guy who had an incredible body count, 370 00:20:42.759 --> 00:20:46.839 probably just hated women. So I think that they're a 371 00:20:46.839 --> 00:20:48.400 mixed and I do think that some of these people 372 00:20:48.440 --> 00:20:51.440 are programmed to kill. I think that they're clearly the 373 00:20:51.480 --> 00:20:54.559 products of the stuff. One of the interesting things in 374 00:20:54.559 --> 00:20:57.200 this book, as he mentions this narrut guy that's not 375 00:20:57.359 --> 00:21:02.160 very well talked about, not often talked about ut who 376 00:21:02.279 --> 00:21:04.240 kind of spilled the beans in nineteen seventy five. He 377 00:21:04.319 --> 00:21:06.039 was in Europe and he's saying, like, we are the 378 00:21:06.079 --> 00:21:09.240 O and I the Office of Naval Intelligence is training 379 00:21:09.319 --> 00:21:14.319 guys to become program killers and then distribute them through 380 00:21:14.519 --> 00:21:17.839 the embassy, you know, places through embassies in the unit, 381 00:21:18.319 --> 00:21:21.799 the US kind of network or US Empire network to 382 00:21:21.799 --> 00:21:24.480 carry out contract killings. And a lot of them have criminal records, 383 00:21:24.880 --> 00:21:27.240 and it's all over the media like it's it's not 384 00:21:27.559 --> 00:21:30.359 like a story. It's a story that they don't talk about. 385 00:21:30.400 --> 00:21:32.680 It was covered up and then they denied it, but 386 00:21:32.759 --> 00:21:35.680 that paper does exist, and I think that it just 387 00:21:35.720 --> 00:21:40.119 shows that there's programs to create this programed killer, like 388 00:21:40.160 --> 00:21:43.599 to dissociate people and control them. And that's so many 389 00:21:43.680 --> 00:21:46.599 of these guys have come out of the Phoenix program, 390 00:21:47.039 --> 00:21:50.079 are connected to the Free Phoenix program or something else. 391 00:21:50.079 --> 00:21:54.240 Shaw Cross, Heydnick was part of this weird dark stuff. 392 00:21:55.559 --> 00:21:57.680 So you know, it's hard to say, Oh, Mullins, was 393 00:21:58.119 --> 00:22:03.039 these guys who were in Santa Cruz area, I think 394 00:22:03.039 --> 00:22:06.160 it was. There were three guys, and two of them 395 00:22:06.160 --> 00:22:08.799 are really strange, and I'd been exposed to large doses 396 00:22:08.839 --> 00:22:12.519 of LSD, and they're like they were next to each other, 397 00:22:12.559 --> 00:22:16.160 So Ed Kemper and Mullins and this other guy were 398 00:22:16.200 --> 00:22:20.039 all next to each other, and the under the aegis 399 00:22:20.039 --> 00:22:22.240 of a lot of MKL. This guy lund l u 400 00:22:22.400 --> 00:22:25.960 n D is mentioned in Program to Kill who's a 401 00:22:25.960 --> 00:22:30.640