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<v Speaker 1>This is Dan Capless and welcome to today's online podcast

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<v Speaker 1>edition of The Dan Caplis Show. Please be sure to

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<v Speaker 2>Well, hello everyone, I am not Dan Caples.

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<v Speaker 3>It's Heidi Ganoll here filling in for Dan while he's

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<v Speaker 3>working a trial and hosting with Christy Burton Brown.

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<v Speaker 2>This is going to be a lot of fun. Christy.

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<v Speaker 4>We have so much to talk about, we do, and

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<v Speaker 4>it's so fun doing this with you. I'm glad that

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<v Speaker 4>we get to be here together, and for me personally,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just happy to be back.

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<v Speaker 3>We're very excited about your win on the State Board

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<v Speaker 3>of Education.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell me a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>About how that's going to play out, the timeline for

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<v Speaker 3>when you get going.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm super excited about the State Board of Education.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll get sworn in on January eighth, along with several

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<v Speaker 4>other new members. The board's actually significantly changing its membership.

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<v Speaker 4>But you and I were talking about a little bit

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<v Speaker 4>about this a little bit before we started and CD

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<v Speaker 4>eight Yasmin Navarro, who won for the Republicans.

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<v Speaker 2>That is the bright spot on the board.

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<v Speaker 4>That is why we're going to be able to keep

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<v Speaker 4>a proch harder majority on the state board. So I'll

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<v Speaker 4>just be a piece of it. But some really great

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<v Speaker 4>people got elected and I'm excited.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, and shout out to Douglas County School Board for

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<v Speaker 3>approving a new potential charter school, John Adams, which is

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<v Speaker 3>a classical school. They elected to release it to CSI,

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<v Speaker 3>which is kind of like an independent school district for

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<v Speaker 3>charter schools, and they were just a little worried about

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<v Speaker 3>the swings in Douglas County on the school board and

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<v Speaker 3>how politically that can change so quickly, so they thought

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<v Speaker 3>it was best to go straight to CSI, and of

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<v Speaker 3>course the Democrats on the board did not like that,

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<v Speaker 3>but kudos to Ellie Reynolds and Kim gil Martin for

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<v Speaker 3>getting that across the finish line. They were released to

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<v Speaker 3>CSI last night. So there's a good chance we're going

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<v Speaker 3>to have an amazing classical school in Sterling Ranch and

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<v Speaker 3>it'll eventually be K through twelve. It's going to start

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<v Speaker 3>as K through six, I believe, but really really exciting.

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<v Speaker 3>It went till almost midnight last night in typical school

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<v Speaker 3>board fashion, but you're getting to the trenches.

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<v Speaker 2>You're going to be on the front lines.

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<v Speaker 3>And thank goodness that there's still a little opportunity to

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<v Speaker 3>get charter schools open here in Colorado, because I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think the numbers have gotten much better on achievement rates,

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<v Speaker 3>have they, Christie?

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<v Speaker 2>No, they haven't. And that's definitely something we looked at

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<v Speaker 2>a lot.

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<v Speaker 4>Last year when at Advanced Colorado we were running the

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<v Speaker 4>school choice measure. Is you know what the parents need,

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<v Speaker 4>what our family's looking for in Colorado, and so many

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<v Speaker 4>of them want better options like the charters you're involved in,

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<v Speaker 4>and Kim and Ellie and all these people parents who

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<v Speaker 4>are stepping up and trying to start charters. It's because

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<v Speaker 4>kids are still performing at only a forty percent rate

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<v Speaker 4>on average, Only forty percent of our kids in neighborhood

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<v Speaker 4>traditional public schools can read and do math a grade level.

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<v Speaker 4>Whereas you see seven of the ten top high schools

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<v Speaker 4>in Colorado are charters.

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<v Speaker 3>That's wild, I mean, that is not okay. Our public

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<v Speaker 3>education system is broken. And I don't think any of

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<v Speaker 3>us are against public traditional schools, no, but I do

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<v Speaker 3>think competition will improve results, and I'm really interested to

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<v Speaker 3>see how it plays out with the Department of Education

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<v Speaker 3>and Linda McMahon, and she's said very clearly they're going

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<v Speaker 3>to send the money back to the States in order

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<v Speaker 3>to have control over the education and Colorado hasn't done

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<v Speaker 3>such a hot job. But I think with you on

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<v Speaker 3>the board and Yasmin is that her name, yeah, yeh

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<v Speaker 3>Yehenna of Asman, I think it's going to be really

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<v Speaker 3>exciting to see things change. One of the things we

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to talk about today, I know, is some of

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<v Speaker 3>the bright lights from the elections, some of the successes

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<v Speaker 3>that happened, and there were quite a few across Colorado.

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<v Speaker 2>What is one of your favorites. Oh that's a good question, huh.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's a lot to choose from.

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<v Speaker 4>I think for me, it's the movement that we saw

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<v Speaker 4>in key constituencies in Colorado towards Republicans or conservative values,

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<v Speaker 4>either way you look at it. And we see this

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<v Speaker 4>specifically in Adams and Pueblo County, where we have a

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<v Speaker 4>heavy Hispanic majority or composition of the citizenry there. And

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<v Speaker 4>I think you see you saw this nationally, a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of Hispanics moving to Donald Trump, moving to the Republicans.

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<v Speaker 4>But you saw it happen in Colorado, and I think

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of people doubted it because they're like, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 4>Hispanics in Colorado can be different than Hispanics in Florida.

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<v Speaker 4>We have a lot more people of Mexican heritage here

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<v Speaker 4>in Colorado, whereas they have a lot of Cuban heritage

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<v Speaker 4>in Florida.

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<v Speaker 2>And yet we still saw those key counties.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's what helped put Gabe Evans over the top

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<v Speaker 4>in CD eight, That's what helped Yasmin Navarro, and it's

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<v Speaker 4>what made actually.

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<v Speaker 2>Pueblo now has a Republican DA.

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<v Speaker 4>It's things like that that are key changes that are

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<v Speaker 4>gonna make Colorado safer and bringing more people into the

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<v Speaker 4>Republican Party.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm really excited about Pueblo.

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<v Speaker 3>I've got a lot of friends down there, and the

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<v Speaker 3>Road to Red project I'm leading is doing a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of work down there. So we've gotten to know the

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<v Speaker 3>grassroots groups and there's some really amazing people leading the

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<v Speaker 3>charge down there. And in fact, Pueblo now has the

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<v Speaker 3>majority on the County Commissioner board. Paul em feeders one

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<v Speaker 3>down there and replaced a pretty horrible Democrat that was

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<v Speaker 3>doing a lot of damage. And so we've also got

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<v Speaker 3>a Republican mayor. We've got.

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<v Speaker 2>A Republican woman.

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<v Speaker 3>Da Now they had ninety one percent turnout for Republicans

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<v Speaker 3>down on publicad that's so good. They set the bar

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<v Speaker 3>for the rest of the state, and so I see

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<v Speaker 3>Pueblo as a model for the rest of the state.

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<v Speaker 3>And also Pickin County, which is a shocker.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what it's interesting is you have to tell me

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<v Speaker 2>about this. I haven't looked so much at Pickcan.

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<v Speaker 4>I usually, you know, write them off as a lost cause,

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<v Speaker 4>but apparently I'm wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>So I just got a text from John Kelly, who's

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<v Speaker 3>the head of the GOP up there, and he did

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<v Speaker 3>a fantastic job. They swung seven point six points to

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<v Speaker 3>the right present for President Trump. It was the largest

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<v Speaker 3>red shift in the state. And he says they did

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<v Speaker 3>it through a lot of legworks, seventy five hundred calls,

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<v Speaker 3>seventeen hundred texts and postcard endorsements, and multiple email reminders.

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<v Speaker 3>They also targeted Republican leaning independence as well as Republicans,

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<v Speaker 3>and their estimates were that they significantly increased their share

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<v Speaker 3>of votes by subtracting the Republicans from the count so

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<v Speaker 3>they actually grew a lot with independence up in Aspen, Colorado.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that is that's quite the accomplishment. Kudos to them

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<v Speaker 4>and John Kelly. I think I got to meet him

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<v Speaker 4>a little bit before I left as chairman, So that's incredible.

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<v Speaker 4>And this is Christy Burton Brown Heidi Ginaal today on

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<v Speaker 4>the Dan Kaplis Show. If you have bright spots in

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<v Speaker 4>the election or anything you want to share, you can

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<v Speaker 4>But Heidi, I think when we talked about all these

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<v Speaker 4>grassroots activities, this is what's you're big on. It's which

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<v Speaker 4>you've built so well since ending the governor's race, and

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<v Speaker 4>you've you haven't left, You've carried it on.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think there's a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 4>Seeing effectiveness in those grassroots efforts. What what are you

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<v Speaker 4>finding most people want to know or are engaging in.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, one of the things about the governor's race was

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<v Speaker 3>how much I learned about where the gaps were, what

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<v Speaker 3>was working, what wasn't, and I just kind of took

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<v Speaker 3>it all in and I decided one of my passions

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<v Speaker 3>would be going forward is really helping the grassroots become

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<v Speaker 3>more organized, more activated, more engaged, and learning how to

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<v Speaker 3>be more effective on the ground. And so the Road

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<v Speaker 3>to Red Project has about one hundred grassroots groups around

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<v Speaker 3>the state that we're helping and supporting with good technology

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<v Speaker 3>and data and marketing support, and we're getting them to collaborate.

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<v Speaker 3>So I suggest that everybody start as local as you can,

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<v Speaker 3>like in your own neighborhood, find out who your precinct

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<v Speaker 3>chair is, reach out to them, tell them you want

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<v Speaker 3>to be put in the game in the off season.

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<v Speaker 3>They'll probably give you a walk list and tell them.

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<v Speaker 3>They'll tell you to reach out to your neighbors, have

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<v Speaker 3>a barbecue, have a coffee. Just start in your own neighborhood,

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<v Speaker 3>get to know them, and then also start attending your

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<v Speaker 3>county commissioner, your school board, and your.

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<v Speaker 2>City council races.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't have to speak unless you don't want to,

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<v Speaker 3>unless you want to, But that's really critical too. What

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<v Speaker 3>else do you can you think of that people should

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<v Speaker 3>do on a local basis, Well, you.

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<v Speaker 4>Know, I think one thing that the things you're talking

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<v Speaker 4>about lead to those conversations with your neighbors and people

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<v Speaker 4>in your area lead to issue focused discussions, and I

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<v Speaker 4>think that's so helpful, especially in the off years before

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<v Speaker 4>candidates have been identified, and obviously that's what or now

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<v Speaker 2>There's never a break into political cycle.

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<v Speaker 4>But just I was just talking to someone today who

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<v Speaker 4>was saying, every person I talked to in my area

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<v Speaker 4>brings up public safety.

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<v Speaker 2>That is what they are most concerned about.

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<v Speaker 4>It's what they want to hear from their elected officials,

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<v Speaker 4>it's what they want to see them deliver on, and

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<v Speaker 4>affordability being the next issue in this particular area of Colorado.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think that's what we find out, and it's

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<v Speaker 4>really beneficial to our candidates. It's beneficial on ballot measures,

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<v Speaker 4>on groups like Advanced Colorado that are going to be

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<v Speaker 4>running more ballot measures in twenty six to know what

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<v Speaker 4>are people talking about, what do they care about, and

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<v Speaker 4>are you that trusted person in their neighborhood or they

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<v Speaker 4>can say, you know what, this person is the expert,

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<v Speaker 4>and then you.

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<v Speaker 2>Could make voting recommendations, you can connect them to candidates.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think it's just so key making that groundwork

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<v Speaker 2>happen in the off year.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's that's great. Those are wonderful suggestions. I

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<v Speaker 3>was pretty shocked to see that a rule or a

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<v Speaker 3>January first, where illegal immigrants will have the opportunity to

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<v Speaker 3>be provided free healthcare, free taxpayer paid healthcare, so our

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<v Speaker 3>tax dollars are going to support people who are here illegally.

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<v Speaker 3>It was pretty shocking, and I think one of the

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<v Speaker 3>things that's happening that's waking people up is what about

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<v Speaker 3>Americans who are struggling. What about Colorado's who are struggling,

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<v Speaker 3>And what about the single moms who can't make it

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<v Speaker 3>on two jobs, three jobs and they have to do

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<v Speaker 3>that I've recognized about America and Colorado is I think

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<v Speaker 3>Americans care about things being fair. And I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's to be very concerning to.

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<v Speaker 5>And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.

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<v Speaker 4>Ryan, I'm always reminded of how good you are at

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, thank you.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm glad I forgot that for a few months and now.

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<v Speaker 2>I know again. Welcome back, thank you. I'm Christy Burton Brown.

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<v Speaker 4>Heidigan All is here at the real host today of

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<v Speaker 2>While Dan's in.

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<v Speaker 2>No, don't let me sing on the radio. That's not good.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>My husband and kids were literally on the campaign show.

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<v Speaker 4>Like sty I identify with that that makes sense for

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<v Speaker 4>me too. I saw an interesting poll actually now about

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<v Speaker 4>and we can build from there. But in the same poll,

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<v Speaker 4>and twenty one percent said the border and immigration. I

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<v Speaker 4>that's what the majority of people were staying was immigration

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<v Speaker 4>So it sort of state by state, but I think

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<v Speaker 4>at the budget and the shortfall that they supposedly have,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I believe them, but that they have in

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<v Speaker 4>the Colorado state budget, how much.

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<v Speaker 3>It was like a billion dollars? Like one billion dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's nuts. And I was just talking to a

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<v Speaker 4>It was giving me a few details about some of

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<v Speaker 4>and other representative senators, the governors off involved in these

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<v Speaker 4>discussions trying to decide, Okay, what do we have to cut,

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<v Speaker 4>themselves what should we cut? But I think one thing

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<v Speaker 4>they're considering cutting is funding for IDD in Colorado.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know what that was.

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<v Speaker 4>It's intellectually and developmentally disabled people, and the kickers not

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<v Speaker 4>only do they are they considering defunding those people, but

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<v Speaker 4>they're considering moving the funding over to migrant people, immigrants,

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<v Speaker 4>many of theom who are here illegally, and funding their

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<v Speaker 3>If they do that, twenty twenty six is going to

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<v Speaker 2>That is nuts.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, that is unbelievable. It's just it's heartbreaking to

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<v Speaker 2>I think so too.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, talk about a population that the government actually

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, There's a lot.

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<v Speaker 4>Of things I think government has no business doing, but

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<v Speaker 4>taking care of truly vulnerable populations is one thing the

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<v Speaker 4>citizens who are in a vulnerable spot and need actual help,

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<v Speaker 4>State of Colorado's currently considering funding people here here illegally instead.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I think I think this ties to another article or

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<v Speaker 3>economic growth, that's how they measure it. We were fifth

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<v Speaker 3>about fifteen years ago. Yeah, and now we are forty first.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, what a fall?

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<v Speaker 3>And that means what does that mean? It means that

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<v Speaker 3>businesses are going to move out of Colorado. It means

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<v Speaker 3>an entrepreneur may not start a business. It means that

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<v Speaker 3>it means that people can't get jobs here. And one

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<v Speaker 3>labor force and how let's see where is that stat. Basically,

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<v Speaker 3>white collar jobs, like professional jobs, high paying jobs, is

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<v Speaker 3>still positive, but it's going down sharply from past years,

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<v Speaker 3>and that includes like engineers, lawyers, accountants. It said that

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<v Speaker 3>job gains were skewed to it's lower paying sectors like government.

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<v Speaker 3>Why do you include government jobs in the job break rankings.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, but if this pans out, it's going

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<v Speaker 3>to be the worst stretch for job creation in the

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<v Speaker 3>the white collar sector since the Great Recession in Colorado. Wow,

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<v Speaker 3>that's troubling other than twenty twenty during the pandemic. And

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<v Speaker 3>it also means that personal incomes aren't growing as fast

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<v Speaker 3>that Colorado, it's real. Why is that happening? Why is

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<v Speaker 3>that happening? I think it's the overbearing regulations, the heavy

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think, Christy? Yeah, I think you're right.

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<v Speaker 4>And actually, if fitting in a few listeners have ideas,

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<v Speaker 4>you should call us eight five five four zero five

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<v Speaker 4>other day, Heidi. I know sunder Lundberg was one of

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<v Speaker 4>our economy worse, and basically saying, like how the Chevron

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<v Speaker 2>That means to extend down to the states.

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<v Speaker 4>We need to get rid of basically the state level

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<v Speaker 4>Chevron doctrine, where state agencies are allowed to put all

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<v Speaker 4>this rule making all this You know, they won't share licenses,

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<v Speaker 4>Like you have a license in another state, but you

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<v Speaker 4>can't come here and use it in Colorado without paying

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<v Speaker 4>the state more and going through all this.

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<v Speaker 2>Testing and all this training.

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<v Speaker 4>And I get that sometimes that's important, but more often

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<v Speaker 4>than not, it's not. If you can cut hair in

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<v Speaker 4>the next state. And it's just overbearing regulations that we

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm really excited.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the things I'm most excited about the President

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<v Speaker 3>Trump agenda is Doge and Elon Musk and vent Back

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<v Speaker 3>taking what they call a sledgehammer to the bureaucracy. And

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<v Speaker 3>one of the things I ran on for governor was

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<v Speaker 2>Percent, and people thought, how on earth are you going

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<v Speaker 3>And if you're following Vivec and Elon on Twitter on

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<v Speaker 3>x they're giving you examples every day of the waste

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<v Speaker 2>And we could do that in Colorado too. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>Will start doing I like that idea, but I truly

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<v Speaker 3>going to play governor for a day later and what.

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<v Speaker 2>We would do. But one of the things I would do.

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<v Speaker 3>Is doge in Colorado and just really reduce the size

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<v Speaker 4>Oh absolutely. I mean I think you can find that

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<v Speaker 4>at every level of government. There's probably some local governments

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<v Speaker 4>actually in Colorado, all granted, that actually do a really

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<v Speaker 2>But at most big levels of government, there's so much waste.

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<v Speaker 4>And how do you actually have a caller? Why don't

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<v Speaker 4>we take Mike from Westminster? Welcome to the Capital Show

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<v Speaker 4>with Christine Heidi.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, Hey, what are you thinking today?

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<v Speaker 6>I have said this for years. If you do not

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<v Speaker 6>off at the bud You cannot fix anything else. Number one,

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<v Speaker 6>you can't fix education because it's overwhelmed. Number Two, you

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<v Speaker 6>can't tax health care. It's impossible.

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<v Speaker 7>That is.

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<v Speaker 6>All it does is put more and more burden on

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<v Speaker 6>wife and I and we're retired. Health insurance is one

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<v Speaker 6>of our biggest costs. It's horrendous what we're paying. It's

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<v Speaker 6>absolutely insane. And then of course transportation. You know, we

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<v Speaker 6>happen to have a governor that thinks that I shouldn't

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<v Speaker 6>be able to drive it to my wherever I go.

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<v Speaker 6>I should take a bus or light rail which I've

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<v Speaker 6>never been on in my entire life bike, or I

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<v Speaker 6>should rine it by at seventy some years old. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>that's not gonna happen. So no, that these are the

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<v Speaker 6>stupidest ideas that we're I've lived here all my life.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm a native, you know, our family's homesteaded here. Wow. Wow,

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<v Speaker 6>If you don't fix these problems, you can't fix water,

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, No, Mike, I think you're you're onto something and

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<v Speaker 4>we have a hard break. We have to take call

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<v Speaker 4>back if you want. But Mike, you're right, we have

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<v Speaker 4>to fix immigration to fix anything else in America. Thank you,

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<v Speaker 4>Mike from Westminster. I'm Christy Burton Brown. We have Heidigan

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<v Speaker 4>All hosting The Dan Kaplis Show today. Call in over

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<v Speaker 5>You're listening to The Dan Kaplis Show podcast.

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<v Speaker 8>Christopher Ay, the FBI director, is making this announcement right

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<v Speaker 8>now in an all staff town hall with thousands of

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<v Speaker 8>time to go. As you mentioned, he has a ten

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<v Speaker 8>year term all FBI directors do. He was seven years

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<v Speaker 8>into his tenure term and realistically he had two options

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<v Speaker 8>wait to be fired by President elect Donald Trump because

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<v Speaker 8>Trump announced Cash Bettel would take over or bow out before.

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<v Speaker 8>He has chosen to bow out before. Ray is a

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<v Speaker 8>much stayed out of the headlines as much as he

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<v Speaker 8>could at least. But in twenty twenty two, former President

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<v Speaker 8>Trump became increasingly angry when the FBI raided Mara Lago

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<v Speaker 8>during the Classified Documents investigation.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, that was.

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<v Speaker 8>Ordered by Attorney General Merrick Garland, who oversees the Justice Department,

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<v Speaker 8>not Christopher Ray, but nonetheless, Christopher Ray saw future and

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<v Speaker 8>saw that it is his time to go, so he

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<v Speaker 8>will be stepping down as Cash Patel, the upcoming FBI director,

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<v Speaker 8>if confirmed, is on Capitol Hill. So the director right

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<v Speaker 8>now is making this announcement to an all staff meeting.

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<v Speaker 8>We're waiting to get some wording of some of his comments.

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<v Speaker 4>And that announcement earlier today made that the current head

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<v Speaker 4>of the FBI is stepping down knowing exactly what's going

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<v Speaker 4>to happen, that he would be fired by President Trump

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<v Speaker 4>if he didn't make this move three years early, so.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely what he should be doing.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm Christy Britton Brown here with Heidi Ganal co hosting

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<v Speaker 4>the Dan Kapalist Show today, and Heidi, I think all

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<v Speaker 4>of President Trump's appointees is super interesting, the people he's choosing.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think specifically about FBI though, I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's the right move Cash Mattel is. He's a warrior.

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<v Speaker 2>He's going to clean things up.

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<v Speaker 3>And I liked when President Trump interviewed this last weekend

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<v Speaker 3>with one of the liberal news outlets and she said,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, are you really going to go after people

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<v Speaker 3>for things that they've done? And he said, no, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going to let the people that I put in play

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<v Speaker 3>use their judgment to do it. And he's putting the

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<v Speaker 3>right people in the places to do that. Very unconventional picks,

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<v Speaker 3>But one pick I'm really excited about is Colorado's own

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<v Speaker 3>Chris Right as the head of the Department of Energy.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've known Chris for a long time.

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<v Speaker 3>He takes a very innovative, fascinating free market approach to energy.

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<v Speaker 3>It's going to transform our country having Chris in that spot,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm really excited about that.

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<v Speaker 4>I am too, And I think what's one of the

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<v Speaker 4>other things that's exciting about Chris is that he.

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<v Speaker 2>Still believes in conservation.

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<v Speaker 4>Like we know as conservative that Teddy Roosevelt was the

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<v Speaker 4>original conservationist. This isn't an issue that liberals should own.

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<v Speaker 4>You can actually be pro American energy policies and pro conservation,

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<v Speaker 4>Like who doesn't want clean air, clean water, clean and rivers,

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<v Speaker 4>clean hikes for their kids and family to go on.

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<v Speaker 2>But it doesn't mean we ignore American energy production.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think actually one of the one of the

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<v Speaker 4>best videos that's a little bit old, but that I

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<v Speaker 4>saw Chris write in was when he was I think

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<v Speaker 4>he was talking about North Faced products. Okay, it came

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<v Speaker 4>back up so you could actually find this on if

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<v Speaker 4>you're listening anyone to see it, you can find it

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<v Speaker 4>on Google. Came back up when he was nominated by

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<v Speaker 4>President Trump, and he talked about how these you know,

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<v Speaker 4>clothing products that the wo clothing products that the lot

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<v Speaker 4>people love actually uses American energy and all these things

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<v Speaker 4>they want to ban are actually in their clothing products.

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<v Speaker 4>And he just did a great job, fascinating example of

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<v Speaker 4>how he talked it through and just made it really simple.

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<v Speaker 4>I think calling out people who really have no facts,

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<v Speaker 4>don't know what they're talking about.

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<v Speaker 8>Well.

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<v Speaker 3>And I mean, I know John was just on the

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<v Speaker 3>show and he would never open his mouth about any

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<v Speaker 3>of this, but I sure hope they bring John Fabricatory

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<v Speaker 3>to washing Dacy or let him stay.

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<v Speaker 2>Here and lead Operation Aurora.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I think that'd be fascinating John is such

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<v Speaker 3>a great guy, and I'm really bombed he he isn't

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<v Speaker 3>in Congress, but maybe that was a blessing in disguise,

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<v Speaker 3>and maybe he's going.

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<v Speaker 2>To help with the the whole.

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<v Speaker 3>Effort to clean up our cities from illegal imigrants to

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<v Speaker 3>our criminals. That has to be priority number one, and

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<v Speaker 3>I think Trump is putting the right people on the

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<v Speaker 3>seats on the bus to take care of that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think so too.

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<v Speaker 4>And how do you make a great point that John

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<v Speaker 4>is absolutely more than qualified to get a job like

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<v Speaker 4>that and would put America first and Colorado citizens first.

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<v Speaker 4>Where we see a lot of our elected officials in

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<v Speaker 4>Denver and the Capitol putting non citizens and specifically people

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<v Speaker 4>who are who are here illegally, Like I support people

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<v Speaker 4>who are refugees, people who truly are seeking asylum, Like

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<v Speaker 4>America is the land that welcomes people who have nowhere

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<v Speaker 4>else to go.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think just because so many.

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<v Speaker 4>People dream of coming to America, it doesn't mean because

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<v Speaker 4>you can cross the border illegally that you have a

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<v Speaker 4>bigger right to be here than all the people in

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<v Speaker 4>refugee camps in Burma and Africa and so many places

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<v Speaker 4>across the world. Who cannot walk across the border so

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<v Speaker 4>cannot get in. But because you can walk across the border,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm happy that you want the American dream, but everyone

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<v Speaker 4>should have equal access to the American dream. Should prioritize

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<v Speaker 4>refugees and asylum seekers in my view, not gang members

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<v Speaker 4>from Venezuela who are walking across the border with the

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<v Speaker 4>current administration.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I agree, Christine.

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<v Speaker 3>On the appointee front, I'm so excited to see what

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<v Speaker 3>happens with Robert Kennedy Junior. And I've really gotten to

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<v Speaker 3>be a fan of the MAHA movement make America healthy again,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think that that's really going to bring a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of people together, regardless of Democrat, Republican, Independent. And

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<v Speaker 3>it was fascinating to see Jared Poulus come out supporting

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<v Speaker 3>RFK Junior on social media and he got ripped to

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<v Speaker 3>shreds by his party.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he's it's so obvious that he's.

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<v Speaker 3>Playing to try and be relevant, try and be on

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<v Speaker 3>the national conversation so that he can run for president

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<v Speaker 3>and twenty eight.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you agree?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>I do. I mean he was obviously hoping for a

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<v Speaker 2>cabinet position.

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<v Speaker 4>I think with Kamala Harris she didn't get in, so

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<v Speaker 4>he doesn't get that to now he has to look

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<v Speaker 4>for his spot. If you have thoughts on President Trump's appointees,

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<v Speaker 4>you can call us eight five five four zero five

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<v Speaker 4>eight two five five or text Dan five seven seven

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<v Speaker 4>thirty nine. And how do you when you bring up

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<v Speaker 4>RFK Junior, I actually, I mean I don't agree with

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<v Speaker 4>him on abortion and the abortion pill.

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<v Speaker 2>There's real problems with some of his views. But when

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<v Speaker 2>we talk about keeping America.

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<v Speaker 4>Healthy, making America healthy, I was talking to a reporter

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<v Speaker 4>the other day and just saying, there's a lot of moms,

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of suburban moms who are not conservative or Republican,

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<v Speaker 4>but are united around the idea of making our kids

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<v Speaker 4>healthy and nutrition and fitness.

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<v Speaker 2>And we don't want the FDA.

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<v Speaker 4>And government agencies CDC to lie to us about what

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<v Speaker 4>is going in our kids' bodies, the labels on food.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's not like I am anti vaccine, I'm not

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<v Speaker 4>at all. I'm pro vaccine. Put my kids on a

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<v Speaker 4>delayed schedule, but still be honest with people about the risks.

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<v Speaker 4>Don't lie to moms who care about their kids. Don't

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<v Speaker 4>tell them all these seed oils are healthy for their

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<v Speaker 4>kids when there are better options, I think, and I

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<v Speaker 4>think that's what he stands for is don't lie to moms,

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<v Speaker 4>don't lie to Americans.

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<v Speaker 2>Let us to make healthy choices if we want to.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, that's right.

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<v Speaker 3>And I mean he's taken on some really really big

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<v Speaker 3>environmental issues as a lawyer, and I think he's the

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<v Speaker 3>right guy for the job. As evidenced by the pharmaceutical companies,

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<v Speaker 3>the ag industries are terrified.

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<v Speaker 2>But all the right people are scared.

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<v Speaker 3>I really like Nicole Sheridan too, who he had selected

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<v Speaker 3>as his vice president. First I didn't understand the pick,

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<v Speaker 3>but the more I get to know her, the more

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<v Speaker 3>I watch her, I really think she has a shot

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<v Speaker 3>at running for governor in California.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think she just speaks to moms.

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<v Speaker 3>She's the mother of a child who was vaccine injured

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<v Speaker 3>and really is advocating for transparency, like you said, just

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<v Speaker 3>telling the truth about what's happening. And I think RFK

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<v Speaker 3>Junior talking about the studies and the science around vaccines

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<v Speaker 3>and how they aren't studied appropriately if you look at science,

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's going to be a really interesting conversation

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<v Speaker 3>that we have going forward. And one of the key

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<v Speaker 3>constituencies for me on the governor's race was moms who

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<v Speaker 3>are really upset about what was happening with COVID and

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<v Speaker 3>the lockdowns with their kids.

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<v Speaker 2>Jeff co kids first.

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<v Speaker 3>Paulus, who tries to act very libertarian, and this goes

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<v Speaker 3>back to our discussion about bureaucracies, gave so much power

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<v Speaker 3>to the public health departments in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Counties, and that was the battle that happened with Jeff Co.

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<v Speaker 3>But the moms were the ones who pushed back Democrat,

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<v Speaker 3>Republican Independent. They joined together and they were able to

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<v Speaker 3>get one of the leads of the public health fired

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<v Speaker 3>because of her stance. But it was really Jared Paulus

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<v Speaker 3>pulling the strings and pushing that down so that he

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<v Speaker 3>didn't have to take responsibility for it. But that is

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<v Speaker 3>the power of a mother who cares about her child's

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<v Speaker 3>health and safety. And I think we're going to see

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<v Speaker 3>mother's roar across the country when they start to find

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<v Speaker 3>out how we have been lied to.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well, and they're going to be unleashed. I think

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<v Speaker 4>what the voice like UNA like RFK Junior. You're on

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<v Speaker 4>the Dan Kapli Show with Christy Burton Brown and Heidi ganall.

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<v Speaker 2>We have to take a.

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<v Speaker 4>Break, but when we come back, we want to talk

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<v Speaker 4>about the murder of the United Healthcare CEO and one

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<v Speaker 4>of the Democrat representatives from calif Ffornia had to say

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<v Speaker 4>about it.

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<v Speaker 5>And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm Chris Wright, CEO of Liberty Energy. North Face recently

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<v Speaker 7>came out against my industry, even refusing to let one

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<v Speaker 7>of my competitors put their company logo on a north

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<v Speaker 7>Face jacket. I went through north Face's website of wide

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<v Speaker 7>ranging products and I failed to find a single product

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<v Speaker 7>that wasn't made out.

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<v Speaker 2>Of oil and gas.

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<v Speaker 7>The great majority of north Face's products, jackets, backpacks, outdoor pants, shirt, shoes, hats,

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<v Speaker 7>et cetera, are dominantly made out of the oil and

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<v Speaker 7>gas that we so proudly produce. Globally, sixty percent of

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<v Speaker 7>all clothing fibers are made out of oil and gas.

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<v Speaker 7>For north Face, it is likely ninety percent or more.

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<v Speaker 4>So.

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<v Speaker 7>North Face is not only an extraordinary customer of the

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<v Speaker 7>oil and gas industry, they are also a partner with

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<v Speaker 7>the oil and gas industry. So thank you north Face,

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<v Speaker 7>and you're welcome.

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<v Speaker 2>That was awesome. Thank you, Ryan. That was a nice

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<v Speaker 2>and surprise.

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<v Speaker 3>That was Chris Wright, who we were just talking about

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<v Speaker 3>was appointed to the secretary or nominated for the Secretary

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<v Speaker 3>of Education or Energy spot. Gosh, get your act together, Heidi.

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<v Speaker 3>This is Heidi Ganal and Christy Burton Brown. We're co

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<v Speaker 3>hosting the Dan Kapla Show while he's out at a trial. Christy,

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted to shift conversation a little bit to the

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<v Speaker 3>murder of the CEO of the healthcare system or United

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<v Speaker 3>Health Insurance. There's so much coming out about the whole

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<v Speaker 3>situation and the manifesto of the suspect.

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<v Speaker 2>What's your latest take on this.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, that's a great question, and I think we actually

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<v Speaker 4>have a clip I should play from Representative Roe Conna

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<v Speaker 4>from California, and he sort of tried to talk about

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<v Speaker 4>this divide between can you believe murder's wrong but still

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<v Speaker 4>basically hate healthcare system.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's let's listen to him.

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<v Speaker 9>It's possible to have two thoughts, one that murder and

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<v Speaker 9>taking human life is wrong, that we can have sympathy

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<v Speaker 9>for a father of two sons, and also to have

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<v Speaker 9>a thought that being denied healthcare, as repeatedly happens in

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<v Speaker 9>this country for cancer, treatment for heart disease, for diabetes

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<v Speaker 9>is causing great anger, justifyed anger around America, and that

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<v Speaker 9>we need to fix that broken healthcare system.

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<v Speaker 6>We need to hold private.

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<v Speaker 9>Insurance companies, hospitals, pharmaceutical companies accountable. We need to fight

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<v Speaker 9>for Medicare for all, or at the very least fight

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<v Speaker 9>to make sure that doctors prescriptions are getting filled or

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<v Speaker 9>their treatments is getting filled and Medicare would cover it.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting clip.

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<v Speaker 4>I think there's pieces of that I agree with, hidian

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<v Speaker 4>pieces that I don't. I think largely I agree there

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<v Speaker 4>should be a ton of reform in our healthcare system,

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<v Speaker 4>and that pharmaceutical companies aren't being on and are overcharging

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<v Speaker 4>and are honest about the prices. Price transparency's a huge issue.

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<v Speaker 4>What I think I dislike is that when someone, a

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<v Speaker 4>human being who has a family, is murdered in cold

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<v Speaker 4>blood with a premeditated murder, we use that as an

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<v Speaker 4>opportunity to talk about a political issue that needs to

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<v Speaker 4>be solved. And yet when we see school shootings, and

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<v Speaker 4>when we see those shooters also bring up the issue

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<v Speaker 4>of mental health and being on drugs for mental health,

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<v Speaker 4>we're not allowed to talk about that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great point.

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<v Speaker 3>I saw a tweet earlier about Brian Thompson, the one

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<v Speaker 3>who was murdered, and it really humanizes the situation. He's

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<v Speaker 3>from Jewel, Iowa, population twelve hundred, and he went on

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<v Speaker 3>to lead one hundred and forty thousand employees in overseeing

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<v Speaker 3>two hundred and eighty billion of revenue one of.

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<v Speaker 2>The world's most important companies.

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<v Speaker 3>Get this, His mom worked as a beautician, his dad

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<v Speaker 3>at a green elevator. I bet they were really proud

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<v Speaker 3>when he graduated valedictorian of his fifty person.

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<v Speaker 2>High school class.

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<v Speaker 3>And he played basketball and trombone. He was homecoming king.

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<v Speaker 3>But he worked in the soybean fields and the meat

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<v Speaker 3>processing plants during the summer. You know, this is this

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<v Speaker 3>is someone who lived the American dream and maybe he

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<v Speaker 3>was trying to make good faith efforts to change the

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<v Speaker 3>healthcare system for the better. We don't know, but I

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<v Speaker 3>think it's horrifying that they are like making this guy

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<v Speaker 3>a superstar, the guy that murdered him a superstar.

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<v Speaker 2>That's just incredibly wrong.

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<v Speaker 4>Well right, and so many people on Twitter talking about

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<v Speaker 4>like how the guy looks and how young he is,

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<v Speaker 4>and when do we idolize murderers like that's super troubling,

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<v Speaker 4>especially when young people start doing it, which is happening

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<v Speaker 4>on social media right now. And again like I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 4>would you kill someone I don't, and you kill an

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<v Speaker 4>innocent person, It's not a measure of ooh, did they

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<v Speaker 4>ever do anything wrong in their life? Should they have

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<v Speaker 4>reformed their company, should they have supported different policies. That's

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<v Speaker 4>not how we judge whether or not someone should be

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<v Speaker 4>murdered in cold blood. And so I think when you

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<v Speaker 4>have a different standard, oh well, we don't like this

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<v Speaker 4>person who was killed because we assume they supported all

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<v Speaker 4>these policies we don't support and want change. Therefore, we

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<v Speaker 4>can partially justify them being shot, like that's what's happening,

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<v Speaker 4>and it's so wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, and it's such a contrast to the Daniel I

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<v Speaker 3>believe his last name's Penny in the subway trial, he

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<v Speaker 3>was let off rightly, so oh yeah, I mean, who

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't want to know that someone brave like that is

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<v Speaker 3>going to step in and help us if we're attacked

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<v Speaker 3>on a subway system. I can't believe the contrast between

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<v Speaker 3>these two situations. I think it's really ironic that both

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<v Speaker 3>are being discussed and talked about, and of course it's

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<v Speaker 3>becoming political, like, oh, the murder over here is a

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<v Speaker 3>good guy, says a lot of the people on the left,

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<v Speaker 3>and the hero on the subway is a bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Guy, says the people on the left. And we're kind

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<v Speaker 2>of the opposite.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's just so frustrating how every single thing turns

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<v Speaker 3>political these days. But I do believe it's a good

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<v Speaker 3>example of why the country overwhelmingly voted for Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>They are full of they're tired of this crap.

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<v Speaker 3>Like they want things to change. They want to go

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<v Speaker 3>back to the way things were, when right wasn't wrong

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<v Speaker 3>and wrong wasn't right, and things made sense. And I

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<v Speaker 3>think the jury decision in his case, Daniel Penny's decision

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<v Speaker 3>was the right thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and I think so too.

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<v Speaker 4>And if you evaluate the two situations, which is an

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<v Speaker 4>interesting point, Heidi, I think you see that what Daniel

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<v Speaker 4>Penny did, for one thing, he was not intentionally killing anyone.

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<v Speaker 2>It was not premeditated.

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<v Speaker 4>He was responding in real time to events that ended

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<v Speaker 4>up saving a lot of people's lives. The women and children,

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<v Speaker 4>and some of them who testified in his trial believed

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<v Speaker 4>he was saving lives, and he said that was his intention.

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<v Speaker 4>You see this other guy who murdered the United Healthcare CEO,

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<v Speaker 4>and you know, okay, let's imagine that he might say, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm stopping the healthcare system from hurting people. Really, murdering

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<v Speaker 4>a CEO is going to change the whole system. And

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<v Speaker 4>that's why we need.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the many reasons we need better education for.

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<v Speaker 4>Young people in our society is they need to know

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<v Speaker 4>the real way to change things, and it's not by

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<v Speaker 4>taking out someone with a vigial antieism act.

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<v Speaker 2>That doesn't change anything.

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<v Speaker 4>Ceo actually doesn't set the entire policy of a healthcare company,

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<v Speaker 4>and people should know that and going and murdering one

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<v Speaker 4>person doesn't reform a system.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it doesn't.

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<v Speaker 3>Christie, and we need to take a break, but it's

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of fun hosting this with you. We've got

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<v Speaker 3>so many topics. We'll be back right after the break.

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<v Speaker 3>This is Heidi Ganal and Christy Burton Brown filling in

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<v Speaker 3>on the Dan Kaplis Show.
