Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
We left off with Menager asking questions about the interview
with Wendy Lee, So we're gonna pick up right there. Manager.
Do you know whether the police were recording their interview
with you? Answer yes, Manager, Have you ever heard the recording?
Answer no? Manager. Did you ever receive notification that you
were named as a victim in any of Jeffrey Epstein's
criminal cases? Answer no, Manager, other than the fifteen hundred
from Wendy Lee. Did you receive any other money for
making any statements? Answer no? Manager. Did you give an
interview to Virginia's attorneys? Answer yes, McCauley, you can say, yes, manager.
When was that? Answer two weeks ago? Roughly? Manager? And
who was present during that meeting? Answer my lawyers and
several others? Manager, several other what? Answer lawyers? I don't know.
I don't know who they all are. Manager. So soll McCauley,
you recall being there? Answer yes, Manager, mis Schultz, you
recall being there? Answer no, I didn't learn it. No,
you weren't there. Next question Brad Edwards. Edwards's answers yes,
Next one, Paul Cassell answer maybe I don't remember, Manager,
And was that interview recorded? Answer? I don't know, it
may have been, I don't remember. Manager. Did anyone ask
your permission to record it? Answer? Maybe, I don't recall. Manager.
Were you shown any documents during that meeting? Answer flight logs, Manager,
any other documents? Answer? No, Manager. What did miss McCauley
or mister Edwards or any of the other lawyers say
to you about Glenn Maxwell? Answer they just asked impressions.
They never said anything about her. Manager. Were you shown
a copy of any report that came out of the interview?
Answer which interview? Manager, the one with Virginia's attorneys McCauley
objection Shoberg. No, you testified earlier about an incident with
a camera that Glen Maxwell had given you. I want
to ask you some questions about that. Answer sure, Manager,
Do you know when that was? Answer? That was in
two thousand and two? Manager, And why does that date
stick out? Answer because I was living Where I was
living specifically, and where I had the phone call. Manager.
Tell me what you remember about the conversation. Answer. I
had been over to the house prior messaging Jeffrey, and
I got a phone call from her. And she told
me she had a camera for me for my photography class,
But yet she couldn't give it to me yet because
during the massage, I didn't finish my job and she
had to finish it for me. Manager. Did she say
what she meant? Answer? No, but I knew. Manager. Was
there any other time that you had discussed with her
finishing your job? Answer not that I recall, Manager, any
other time. You just recalled discussing with her anything about
your sexual contact with Jeffrey mcaulay. Objection witness No, Manager,
did she give you the camera? Answer? I did get
the camera. Manager, Okay, when did she give you the camera? Answer?
I guess the next time I went to the house
manager And what was said at that time? Answer? I
honestly don't know that she handed it to me. I
remember it being there for me. Manager. What kind of
camera was it? Answer A Canon rebel thirty five millimeter? Manager.
Do you still have it? Answer? I do not. No
one uses thirty five millimeter anymore. Manager, what's that? Answer?
No one uses thirty five millimeter anymore. Manager, Back to
the cell phone conversation. Answer right, Manager, was it your birthday? Answer?
It was just I was taking a photography class and
I needed a camera. Manager. Do you know her to
be a photographer? Answer not a professional, but I knew
she was interested in photography. Manager. Did you see her
with the camera? Answer yes? Did you see her taking
photographs of nude people? Answer no, manager. Manager, did she
ever ask you to take a photograph of a semi
clad or naked? Answer? Did she ever ask to take
a photo of me? Manager? Semi clad or naked? Answer? No? Manager.
Did she ever ask to take a photograph of you
at any point? Answer? I don't remember, Menager, did you
tell anyone else about this conversation? You couldn't give it
to me now because I hadn't finished my job? Answer no, Manager.
I think I'm going to reserve the rest of my
time for recross, so you all, I guess ken take
a break, mister Lewis, Can I have one second? Manager, sure? McAuley.
We can go off the record, videographer off the record.
At twelve oh nine. After the recess, they come back
and it looks like Menager has some more questions. Menager, sorry,
just a couple more questions. It sounds like there may
have been an additional telephone conference that one mic construe
as a meeting with attorney. Is that true? Answer correct? Menager?
All right, tell me about that answer. They just wanted
to We had met Pryor and they just wanted to
clarify a few things and ask a few more questions. Menager, Okay,
what did they clarify? Answer any other specific times that
I had, you know, seen Galaine naked, or if I had,
you know, had any sexual massages with her, any type
of questions like that? Menainger? Okay, And what did you
tell them about having any sexual massages with Glaine? Answer
that I was not asked to do to perform anything
with her, Menager? And you did not, answer correct, Menager.
And what did you tell them about specific times of
seeing Glaine naked? Answer only when she would swim or
get a massage Menager? And that swimming you mentioned earlier
skinny dipping? Answer correct, Menager. And I think you said
perhaps some other time that you saw her jump off
a dock and swim. Answer correct, yes Menager in the
nude Answer yes, Manager. And then you saw her under
a towel during massages? Answer yes? Man. Is there any
other time you recall seeing Gleane Maxwell naked? Answer no, manager.
Is there anything else about that telephone conference with the
attorneys to clarify that you recall the topics? Answer? No, manager,
All right, thank you. I think we can go off
the record now, and when they come back, it's Sigared
McCauley now recrossing. You'll want to show Berg, so let's
get right to it. McCauley, Johanna, I'm going to ask
you a couple of questions and their follow up questions.
When Laura was talking to you, she mentioned some names
of famous people that you most of which you had
not met. Did you ever meet anybody famous when you
were with Jeffrey Epstein? Answer Michael Jackson. McCauley, Oh really,
and where was that? Answer at his house in pom Beach.
At Jeffrey's house in Palm Beach. McCauley, did you massage them? Answer?
I did not, McCauley. Anybody else you remember? I know
you mentioned David Copperfield earlier. Anybody else? Answer no, I'd
remember that, McCauley. I believe you also testified that you
had never had a massage before you started working with
Jeffrey and Golaine. Is that correct? Answer? I don't recall
having a massage before then, McCauley. And I think you
said on the first day when you were doing the
clerical work, Maxwell mentioned that you might be able to
get a massage. Is that correct? Answer yes, McCauley. Did
you tell Maxwell that you had never had a massage
at that point? Answer I don't remember. McCauley. Did you
remember telling Jeffrey that you had never had a massage?
Answer no, McCauley. And then when you were talking about
the massage, the first massage, when you were being in
the room with Jeffrey and Emmy answer uh huh, McCauley.
And I know you said that Emmy was naked or
took off her clothes at some point. Answer uh huh, McCauley.
And then you laid on the table and then you
changed positions with her. Is that what happened? Answer yes,
I don't remember the sequence, but at one point she
was I was, and Jeffrey was McCauley. And in the
time when there was a changeover, for example, when you're
on the table and Emmy is not on the table
and Jeffrey is not on the table, did Emmy at
that point remain naked or did she actually stop and
get dressed and continue massaging. Answer. I don't recall her
getting dressed, but I would probably remember if she massaged naked. McCauley.
Do you know if Jeffrey remain naked during his massage? Answer?
He was never like naked standing up. He always covered
himself with a towel. McCauley. I believe I asked this,
but I just want to clarify to make sure that
I did. Did Maxwell ever ask you to bring other
girls over to or for Jeffrey? Answer yes, McCauley. Yes.
Answer yes McCauley. And what did you did you do anything?
In response to that answer, I did bring one girl
named no redacted. It was some girl named redacted that
I had worked with at a restaurant, and I recall
Glane giving me money to bring her over. However, they
never called her to come McCauley. And then I believe
you mentioned that one of your physical fitness instructors you
brought a physical fitness instructor. Was that correct? Correct McCauley.
And what did she do? Answer? She gave him like
a training session twice McCauley. Twice did anything sexual in
nature happen during the session? Answer. At one point he
lifted up her shirt and exposed her bra and she
grabbed it and pulled it down. McCauley. Anything else. Answer,
That was the conversation that he had told her that
he had taken this girl's virginity, the girl by the pool. McCauley. Okay,
did Maxwell ever say to you that it takes the
pressure off of her to have other girls around? Answer?
She implied that yes, McCauley. In what way? Answer sexually? McCauley.
And earlier Laura asked you, I believe if Maxwell we'll
ever ask you to perform any sexual acts, and I
believe your testimony was no. But then you also previously
stated that during the camera incident that Maxwell had talked
to you about not finishing the job. Did you understand
not finishing the job meaning bringing Jeffrey to orgasm? Menager
objection leading in form McCauley, I'm sorry, Johanna, let me
correct that question. What did you understand Maxwell to mean
when she said you hadn't finished the job with respect
to the camera manager objection leading in form? Answer? She
implied that I had not brought him to orgasm. McCauley,
So is it fair to say that Maxwell expected you
to perform sexual acts when you were massaging Jeffrey Manager Objection,
Leading Form and Foundation, Johanna, I can answer yes, I
took that conversation to mean that it was expected of me. McCauley.
And then you mentioned I believe when you were testifying
earlier that Jeffrey told you a story about set on
the plane. What was that about, Menager objection Hearsay Shoberg.
He told me one time Emmy was sleeping on the
plane and they were getting ready to land, and he
went up and woke her up, and she thought that
he meant he wanted a blowjob, so she started done
zip his pants, and he said, no, no, no, no, no,
you just have to be awake for the landing. McCauley.
Do you recall witnessing any sexual acts on the plane,
Answer no, McCauley. Did Emmy ever talk to you about
performing sexual acts on the plane? Answer no, McCauley. We
looked earlier at the police report, and I just want
to clarify you identified some areas where there were discrepancies
in that report, and you can take another look at
it if you want, But other than the discrepancies, you
pointed out. Is that a recollection of what you remember
telling the detective? Answer yes, menager objection outside the scope
of cross McCauley, you mentioned that there was a time
when you noticed that Maxwell was around a little bit less.
Answer Uh huh McCauley. And I believe you said that
was during the middle of the time you were with Jeffrey.
Do you remember approximately when that was your wise? Answer?
I don't. I would say it was probably some time
between two thousand and three and two thousand and four. McCauley.
And what made you think that? Answer? I just saw
her less and less at the house. McCauley. Were you
there more at the house during that time period? Answer no,
not necessarily. It's just at the beginning she was around
a lot, and then I would see her occasionally without him,
though one time we spent a few days together in
two thousand and six, she wasn't there at all. McCauley.
So you saw her in the Is it fair to
say that you saw her in the two thousand and
five two thousand and six timeframe? Answer yes, McCauley. Then
we were talking about the photography earlier. About the photographs,
did Maxwell ever ask you to take nude photos of
yourself for Jeffrey. Answer, she asked me to take photos
of myself for Jeffrey. Yes, McCauley. And did you do that? Answer?
I did not. McCauley. And the photos that were around
that were in the bathroom that you mentioned a couple
of times, places that were photos of view, who took those? Answer?
He did, McCauley. And you were talking about the Palm
Beach House and describing an area where there were just
a lot of photographs. Is it fair to say that
there could have been nude photographs amongst those photos that
you saw? Answer? Yes. All right, folks, we're gonna wrap
this one up right here, and in the next episode
we'll pick up where we left off. All of the
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