1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,759 Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:08,359 We left off with Menager asking questions about the interview 3 00:00:08,439 --> 00:00:12,480 with Wendy Lee, So we're gonna pick up right there. Manager. 4 00:00:12,599 --> 00:00:15,279 Do you know whether the police were recording their interview 5 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:19,120 with you? Answer yes, Manager, Have you ever heard the recording? 6 00:00:19,839 --> 00:00:24,039 Answer no? Manager. Did you ever receive notification that you 7 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:27,079 were named as a victim in any of Jeffrey Epstein's 8 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:32,000 criminal cases? Answer no, Manager, other than the fifteen hundred 9 00:00:32,039 --> 00:00:35,200 from Wendy Lee. Did you receive any other money for 10 00:00:35,359 --> 00:00:39,280 making any statements? Answer no? Manager. Did you give an 11 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:45,280 interview to Virginia's attorneys? Answer yes, McCauley, you can say, yes, manager. 12 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:49,640 When was that? Answer two weeks ago? Roughly? Manager? And 13 00:00:49,719 --> 00:00:52,840 who was present during that meeting? Answer my lawyers and 14 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:57,560 several others? Manager, several other what? Answer lawyers? I don't know. 15 00:00:57,679 --> 00:01:00,679 I don't know who they all are. Manager. So soll McCauley, 16 00:01:00,679 --> 00:01:04,719 you recall being there? Answer yes, Manager, mis Schultz, you 17 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:07,840 recall being there? Answer no, I didn't learn it. No, 18 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:12,159 you weren't there. Next question Brad Edwards. Edwards's answers yes, 19 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:18,200 Next one, Paul Cassell answer maybe I don't remember, Manager, 20 00:01:18,519 --> 00:01:22,000 And was that interview recorded? Answer? I don't know, it 21 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,359 may have been, I don't remember. Manager. Did anyone ask 22 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:29,560 your permission to record it? Answer? Maybe, I don't recall. Manager. 23 00:01:29,799 --> 00:01:34,239 Were you shown any documents during that meeting? Answer flight logs, Manager, 24 00:01:34,359 --> 00:01:38,920 any other documents? Answer? No, Manager. What did miss McCauley 25 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,799 or mister Edwards or any of the other lawyers say 26 00:01:41,799 --> 00:01:46,239 to you about Glenn Maxwell? Answer they just asked impressions. 27 00:01:46,359 --> 00:01:49,519 They never said anything about her. Manager. Were you shown 28 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,000 a copy of any report that came out of the interview? 29 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:57,439 Answer which interview? Manager, the one with Virginia's attorneys McCauley 30 00:01:57,519 --> 00:02:02,879 objection Shoberg. No, you testified earlier about an incident with 31 00:02:02,959 --> 00:02:06,000 a camera that Glen Maxwell had given you. I want 32 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:10,039 to ask you some questions about that. Answer sure, Manager, 33 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,439 Do you know when that was? Answer? That was in 34 00:02:12,479 --> 00:02:15,680 two thousand and two? Manager, And why does that date 35 00:02:15,719 --> 00:02:19,039 stick out? Answer because I was living Where I was 36 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,599 living specifically, and where I had the phone call. Manager. 37 00:02:22,879 --> 00:02:26,439 Tell me what you remember about the conversation. Answer. I 38 00:02:26,479 --> 00:02:29,439 had been over to the house prior messaging Jeffrey, and 39 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:31,599 I got a phone call from her. And she told 40 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,759 me she had a camera for me for my photography class, 41 00:02:34,759 --> 00:02:37,840 But yet she couldn't give it to me yet because 42 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:41,000 during the massage, I didn't finish my job and she 43 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:44,800 had to finish it for me. Manager. Did she say 44 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:48,960 what she meant? Answer? No, but I knew. Manager. Was 45 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,319 there any other time that you had discussed with her 46 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:55,639 finishing your job? Answer not that I recall, Manager, any 47 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:58,639 other time. You just recalled discussing with her anything about 48 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:04,199 your sexual contact with Jeffrey mcaulay. Objection witness No, Manager, 49 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,360 did she give you the camera? Answer? I did get 50 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:12,159 the camera. Manager, Okay, when did she give you the camera? Answer? 51 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:14,240 I guess the next time I went to the house 52 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:18,080 manager And what was said at that time? Answer? I 53 00:03:18,159 --> 00:03:21,080 honestly don't know that she handed it to me. I 54 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,840 remember it being there for me. Manager. What kind of 55 00:03:23,879 --> 00:03:28,520 camera was it? Answer A Canon rebel thirty five millimeter? Manager. 56 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,439 Do you still have it? Answer? I do not. No 57 00:03:31,479 --> 00:03:35,439 one uses thirty five millimeter anymore. Manager, what's that? Answer? 58 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:39,039 No one uses thirty five millimeter anymore. Manager, Back to 59 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:44,520 the cell phone conversation. Answer right, Manager, was it your birthday? Answer? 60 00:03:44,719 --> 00:03:47,159 It was just I was taking a photography class and 61 00:03:47,199 --> 00:03:51,159 I needed a camera. Manager. Do you know her to 62 00:03:51,199 --> 00:03:54,159 be a photographer? Answer not a professional, but I knew 63 00:03:54,159 --> 00:03:57,680 she was interested in photography. Manager. Did you see her 64 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:01,400 with the camera? Answer yes? Did you see her taking 65 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:06,000 photographs of nude people? Answer no, manager. Manager, did she 66 00:04:06,039 --> 00:04:08,120 ever ask you to take a photograph of a semi 67 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:12,080 clad or naked? Answer? Did she ever ask to take 68 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:17,600 a photo of me? Manager? Semi clad or naked? Answer? No? Manager. 69 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:19,600 Did she ever ask to take a photograph of you 70 00:04:19,639 --> 00:04:23,360 at any point? Answer? I don't remember, Menager, did you 71 00:04:23,439 --> 00:04:26,519 tell anyone else about this conversation? You couldn't give it 72 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:31,040 to me now because I hadn't finished my job? Answer no, Manager. 73 00:04:31,399 --> 00:04:33,120 I think I'm going to reserve the rest of my 74 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:36,639 time for recross, so you all, I guess ken take 75 00:04:36,639 --> 00:04:41,519 a break, mister Lewis, Can I have one second? Manager, sure? McAuley. 76 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,800 We can go off the record, videographer off the record. 77 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,199 At twelve oh nine. After the recess, they come back 78 00:04:48,439 --> 00:04:52,279 and it looks like Menager has some more questions. Menager, sorry, 79 00:04:52,399 --> 00:04:55,360 just a couple more questions. It sounds like there may 80 00:04:55,399 --> 00:04:58,800 have been an additional telephone conference that one mic construe 81 00:04:58,879 --> 00:05:03,040 as a meeting with attorney. Is that true? Answer correct? Menager? 82 00:05:03,079 --> 00:05:06,160 All right, tell me about that answer. They just wanted 83 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,519 to We had met Pryor and they just wanted to 84 00:05:08,519 --> 00:05:12,959 clarify a few things and ask a few more questions. Menager, Okay, 85 00:05:12,959 --> 00:05:16,560 what did they clarify? Answer any other specific times that 86 00:05:16,639 --> 00:05:19,480 I had, you know, seen Galaine naked, or if I had, 87 00:05:19,519 --> 00:05:22,399 you know, had any sexual massages with her, any type 88 00:05:22,439 --> 00:05:25,759 of questions like that? Menainger? Okay, And what did you 89 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:30,079 tell them about having any sexual massages with Glaine? Answer 90 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,879 that I was not asked to do to perform anything 91 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:37,319 with her, Menager? And you did not, answer correct, Menager. 92 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:39,839 And what did you tell them about specific times of 93 00:05:39,879 --> 00:05:44,560 seeing Glaine naked? Answer only when she would swim or 94 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:48,800 get a massage Menager? And that swimming you mentioned earlier 95 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:52,639 skinny dipping? Answer correct, Menager. And I think you said 96 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,360 perhaps some other time that you saw her jump off 97 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,720 a dock and swim. Answer correct, yes Menager in the 98 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:02,519 nude Answer yes, Manager. And then you saw her under 99 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:07,079 a towel during massages? Answer yes? Man. Is there any 100 00:06:07,079 --> 00:06:11,279 other time you recall seeing Gleane Maxwell naked? Answer no, manager. 101 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,560 Is there anything else about that telephone conference with the 102 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:19,160 attorneys to clarify that you recall the topics? Answer? No, manager, 103 00:06:19,439 --> 00:06:21,160 All right, thank you. I think we can go off 104 00:06:21,199 --> 00:06:23,560 the record now, and when they come back, it's Sigared 105 00:06:23,639 --> 00:06:27,480 McCauley now recrossing. You'll want to show Berg, so let's 106 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,800 get right to it. McCauley, Johanna, I'm going to ask 107 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,519 you a couple of questions and their follow up questions. 108 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,720 When Laura was talking to you, she mentioned some names 109 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,199 of famous people that you most of which you had 110 00:06:39,199 --> 00:06:42,199 not met. Did you ever meet anybody famous when you 111 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:46,959 were with Jeffrey Epstein? Answer Michael Jackson. McCauley, Oh really, 112 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,439 and where was that? Answer at his house in pom Beach. 113 00:06:50,519 --> 00:06:54,839 At Jeffrey's house in Palm Beach. McCauley, did you massage them? Answer? 114 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:58,120 I did not, McCauley. Anybody else you remember? I know 115 00:06:58,199 --> 00:07:02,199 you mentioned David Copperfield earlier. Anybody else? Answer no, I'd 116 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,600 remember that, McCauley. I believe you also testified that you 117 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,480 had never had a massage before you started working with 118 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:12,680 Jeffrey and Golaine. Is that correct? Answer? I don't recall 119 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:16,120 having a massage before then, McCauley. And I think you 120 00:07:16,199 --> 00:07:18,319 said on the first day when you were doing the 121 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,439 clerical work, Maxwell mentioned that you might be able to 122 00:07:21,439 --> 00:07:26,160 get a massage. Is that correct? Answer yes, McCauley. Did 123 00:07:26,199 --> 00:07:28,480 you tell Maxwell that you had never had a massage 124 00:07:28,519 --> 00:07:32,600 at that point? Answer I don't remember. McCauley. Did you 125 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,600 remember telling Jeffrey that you had never had a massage? 126 00:07:36,079 --> 00:07:40,160 Answer no, McCauley. And then when you were talking about 127 00:07:40,199 --> 00:07:42,600 the massage, the first massage, when you were being in 128 00:07:42,639 --> 00:07:46,920 the room with Jeffrey and Emmy answer uh huh, McCauley. 129 00:07:46,959 --> 00:07:48,839 And I know you said that Emmy was naked or 130 00:07:48,959 --> 00:07:52,920 took off her clothes at some point. Answer uh huh, McCauley. 131 00:07:53,079 --> 00:07:55,160 And then you laid on the table and then you 132 00:07:55,319 --> 00:07:58,399 changed positions with her. Is that what happened? Answer yes, 133 00:07:58,839 --> 00:08:01,600 I don't remember the sequence, but at one point she 134 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:06,000 was I was, and Jeffrey was McCauley. And in the 135 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,040 time when there was a changeover, for example, when you're 136 00:08:09,079 --> 00:08:11,240 on the table and Emmy is not on the table 137 00:08:11,439 --> 00:08:13,839 and Jeffrey is not on the table, did Emmy at 138 00:08:13,839 --> 00:08:17,199 that point remain naked or did she actually stop and 139 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:20,879 get dressed and continue massaging. Answer. I don't recall her 140 00:08:20,879 --> 00:08:26,199 getting dressed, but I would probably remember if she massaged naked. McCauley. 141 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,879 Do you know if Jeffrey remain naked during his massage? Answer? 142 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,000 He was never like naked standing up. He always covered 143 00:08:33,039 --> 00:08:36,279 himself with a towel. McCauley. I believe I asked this, 144 00:08:36,399 --> 00:08:38,720 but I just want to clarify to make sure that 145 00:08:38,799 --> 00:08:41,559 I did. Did Maxwell ever ask you to bring other 146 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:46,799 girls over to or for Jeffrey? Answer yes, McCauley. Yes. 147 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:51,440 Answer yes McCauley. And what did you did you do anything? 148 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,639 In response to that answer, I did bring one girl 149 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:59,720 named no redacted. It was some girl named redacted that 150 00:08:59,799 --> 00:09:02,080 I had worked with at a restaurant, and I recall 151 00:09:02,159 --> 00:09:05,039 Glane giving me money to bring her over. However, they 152 00:09:05,159 --> 00:09:09,200 never called her to come McCauley. And then I believe 153 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,960 you mentioned that one of your physical fitness instructors you 154 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:17,600 brought a physical fitness instructor. Was that correct? Correct McCauley. 155 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:21,320 And what did she do? Answer? She gave him like 156 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:25,960 a training session twice McCauley. Twice did anything sexual in 157 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:29,879 nature happen during the session? Answer. At one point he 158 00:09:29,919 --> 00:09:32,360 lifted up her shirt and exposed her bra and she 159 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:36,919 grabbed it and pulled it down. McCauley. Anything else. Answer, 160 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,960 That was the conversation that he had told her that 161 00:09:40,039 --> 00:09:45,120 he had taken this girl's virginity, the girl by the pool. McCauley. Okay, 162 00:09:45,159 --> 00:09:47,639 did Maxwell ever say to you that it takes the 163 00:09:47,639 --> 00:09:50,879 pressure off of her to have other girls around? Answer? 164 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:56,600 She implied that yes, McCauley. In what way? Answer sexually? McCauley. 165 00:09:57,279 --> 00:10:00,120 And earlier Laura asked you, I believe if Maxwell we'll 166 00:10:00,399 --> 00:10:03,320 ever ask you to perform any sexual acts, and I 167 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,480 believe your testimony was no. But then you also previously 168 00:10:06,519 --> 00:10:10,120 stated that during the camera incident that Maxwell had talked 169 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,039 to you about not finishing the job. Did you understand 170 00:10:13,039 --> 00:10:17,679 not finishing the job meaning bringing Jeffrey to orgasm? Menager 171 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:21,519 objection leading in form McCauley, I'm sorry, Johanna, let me 172 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,559 correct that question. What did you understand Maxwell to mean 173 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,440 when she said you hadn't finished the job with respect 174 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:32,279 to the camera manager objection leading in form? Answer? She 175 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,720 implied that I had not brought him to orgasm. McCauley, 176 00:10:35,919 --> 00:10:38,480 So is it fair to say that Maxwell expected you 177 00:10:38,519 --> 00:10:43,399 to perform sexual acts when you were massaging Jeffrey Manager Objection, 178 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:49,080 Leading Form and Foundation, Johanna, I can answer yes, I 179 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:53,360 took that conversation to mean that it was expected of me. McCauley. 180 00:10:53,639 --> 00:10:57,159 And then you mentioned I believe when you were testifying 181 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,279 earlier that Jeffrey told you a story about set on 182 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:05,720 the plane. What was that about, Menager objection Hearsay Shoberg. 183 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,360 He told me one time Emmy was sleeping on the 184 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,840 plane and they were getting ready to land, and he 185 00:11:10,879 --> 00:11:13,480 went up and woke her up, and she thought that 186 00:11:13,799 --> 00:11:16,600 he meant he wanted a blowjob, so she started done 187 00:11:16,639 --> 00:11:18,799 zip his pants, and he said, no, no, no, no, no, 188 00:11:19,039 --> 00:11:21,960 you just have to be awake for the landing. McCauley. 189 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:24,559 Do you recall witnessing any sexual acts on the plane, 190 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:28,879 Answer no, McCauley. Did Emmy ever talk to you about 191 00:11:28,919 --> 00:11:33,320 performing sexual acts on the plane? Answer no, McCauley. We 192 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,679 looked earlier at the police report, and I just want 193 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:39,639 to clarify you identified some areas where there were discrepancies 194 00:11:39,639 --> 00:11:42,200 in that report, and you can take another look at 195 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:45,159 it if you want, But other than the discrepancies, you 196 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,919 pointed out. Is that a recollection of what you remember 197 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:53,000 telling the detective? Answer yes, menager objection outside the scope 198 00:11:53,039 --> 00:11:56,879 of cross McCauley, you mentioned that there was a time 199 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,679 when you noticed that Maxwell was around a little bit less. 200 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,320 Answer Uh huh McCauley. And I believe you said that 201 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:05,879 was during the middle of the time you were with Jeffrey. 202 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,759 Do you remember approximately when that was your wise? Answer? 203 00:12:09,879 --> 00:12:12,519 I don't. I would say it was probably some time 204 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:16,759 between two thousand and three and two thousand and four. McCauley. 205 00:12:16,799 --> 00:12:19,440 And what made you think that? Answer? I just saw 206 00:12:19,519 --> 00:12:22,399 her less and less at the house. McCauley. Were you 207 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:26,000 there more at the house during that time period? Answer no, 208 00:12:26,039 --> 00:12:28,919 not necessarily. It's just at the beginning she was around 209 00:12:28,919 --> 00:12:31,799 a lot, and then I would see her occasionally without him, 210 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:34,480 though one time we spent a few days together in 211 00:12:34,519 --> 00:12:37,960 two thousand and six, she wasn't there at all. McCauley. 212 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:40,399 So you saw her in the Is it fair to 213 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:42,679 say that you saw her in the two thousand and 214 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:47,000 five two thousand and six timeframe? Answer yes, McCauley. Then 215 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:50,159 we were talking about the photography earlier. About the photographs, 216 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:53,000 did Maxwell ever ask you to take nude photos of 217 00:12:53,039 --> 00:12:56,360 yourself for Jeffrey. Answer, she asked me to take photos 218 00:12:56,360 --> 00:13:00,960 of myself for Jeffrey. Yes, McCauley. And did you do that? Answer? 219 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,720 I did not. McCauley. And the photos that were around 220 00:13:04,919 --> 00:13:06,840 that were in the bathroom that you mentioned a couple 221 00:13:06,919 --> 00:13:11,320 of times, places that were photos of view, who took those? Answer? 222 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:14,480 He did, McCauley. And you were talking about the Palm 223 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:17,320 Beach House and describing an area where there were just 224 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:19,799 a lot of photographs. Is it fair to say that 225 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,600 there could have been nude photographs amongst those photos that 226 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:26,720 you saw? Answer? Yes. All right, folks, we're gonna wrap 227 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:28,840 this one up right here, and in the next episode 228 00:13:28,879 --> 00:13:31,679 we'll pick up where we left off. All of the 229 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,720 information that goes with this episode can be found in 230 00:13:34,799 --> 00:13:35,759 the description box.