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<v Speaker 1>It's night Side with Dan Way on WBZ Boston's news video.

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<v Speaker 2>Dan is off, He'll be off tonight, He'll be off

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<v Speaker 2>tomorrow and return fresh as a daisy. January one, which

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<v Speaker 2>is Wednesday. Night Side will begin another year, and I

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<v Speaker 2>am Morgan filling in tonight. I'll be filling in on

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<v Speaker 2>Tuesday tomorrow, and I've got a number of things to

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<v Speaker 2>tell you. I am going to start with doctor David.

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<v Speaker 2>Nathan was supposed to be on tonight. I know a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of you heard me go over my Monday schedule,

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<v Speaker 2>my schedule for tonight. There have been changes in carimebou

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<v Speaker 2>sim me. If you're listening the hits, just keep on coming. No,

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<v Speaker 2>doctor Nathan. He'll be joining me over Mark Luther King weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>And Jerry Beck, who was scheduled for eight isn't near

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<v Speaker 2>his phone, so we left the message we will endeavor

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<v Speaker 2>to get him. My guests replaced Doctor Nathan, Joe Anne

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<v Speaker 2>Desmond will be joining us at eight point fifteen. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>so you can't tell the players without a scorecard. I

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<v Speaker 2>had to make a lot of jumbling around and that's

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<v Speaker 2>just been over the past three minutes. But I want

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<v Speaker 2>to say a few words about President Jimmy Carter, thirty

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<v Speaker 2>ninth President of the United States, Why Not? The best

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<v Speaker 2>of book he wrote described him so appropriately. He was

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<v Speaker 2>the right man for the right time, for the right job.

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<v Speaker 2>And I know a lot of you listening necessarily don't

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<v Speaker 2>agree with that, But look at the time he was

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<v Speaker 2>running and succeeded as president, America had turmoils left, right, up,

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<v Speaker 2>down and dead center in the middle, and he did

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<v Speaker 2>the best he could to address those. He received a

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<v Speaker 2>peace prize sewing up a peace agreement between Israel and Egypt,

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<v Speaker 2>and after his presidency he continued to work for the people. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>on Saturday on my show, The Morgan Show, I have

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<v Speaker 2>Stu Fink on and he's going to be doing his

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<v Speaker 2>Going but not Forgotten segment for all the people who

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<v Speaker 2>we lost in twenty twenty four, and there will be

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<v Speaker 2>a spotlight put on Jimmy Carter. So if you get

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<v Speaker 2>a chance, I'm on nine to midnight this Saturday and

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<v Speaker 2>every Saturday, and you'll hear Stu Fink with that special. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>when you lose a president, be it after they served,

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<v Speaker 2>while they were serving. It's a gut punch to America,

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<v Speaker 2>and probably for most of you listening. Depending on your age,

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<v Speaker 2>you recall the gut punch of November twenty second, nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>sixty three, when the news of President John Kennedy's assassination

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<v Speaker 2>just stunned all of us, and no matter who you were,

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<v Speaker 2>a child like I was, or an adult, you felt it.

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<v Speaker 2>Imagine having the responsibility of telling the people in your

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<v Speaker 2>area that news. Well, I have a person who had

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<v Speaker 2>to do that. And as a matter of fact, she

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<v Speaker 2>was a trendsetter on her own because she was the

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<v Speaker 2>first female newscaster here in Boston and across the country.

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<v Speaker 2>And she's here to share with us that memory of

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<v Speaker 2>what she would through and other hard points of her career.

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<v Speaker 2>Joined Desmond. Welcome back to WBZ Radio.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much, Morgan. I'm delighted to be here.

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<v Speaker 3>And how well you put that, what you just said,

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<v Speaker 3>how I had goosebumps. It was beautiful, just what you said.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it is a fact that you had to look

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<v Speaker 2>into the eye of a camera and tell the people

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<v Speaker 2>watching that we lost that president.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right. And in Boston that was so hard because

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<v Speaker 3>he was a hometown boy and it was two hundred

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<v Speaker 3>and fifty thousand people on the other side of the

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<v Speaker 3>camera that I was talking to. So I was a

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<v Speaker 3>mess the first time I ever went on the air

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<v Speaker 3>with no makeup, hair uncombed, no shiny handshaking, scripture clearly upset,

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<v Speaker 3>no time to go over the script or review which

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<v Speaker 3>cameras would be on. When I never had such a devastating,

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<v Speaker 3>exhausting day of reporting in my life. I will never

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<v Speaker 3>forget that I have a.

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<v Speaker 2>News, not news. I have a commercial break to take.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me take it. When we come back, we'll delve

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<v Speaker 2>deeper into this situation. If people want to call in

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<v Speaker 2>six one, two, five, fourteen thirty or eight eight, eight, nine, two, nine,

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<v Speaker 2>and we'll share some memories with Joined Desmond, former Channel

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<v Speaker 2>four newscaster. Time and temperature eight fifteen fifty one degrees.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Way Live from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>Night Sights Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Dan is off tonight. I am Morgan, Morgan White Junior, Philly.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be here tonight and tomorrow night. Dan. We'll be

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<v Speaker 2>back Wednesday. Happy New Year, the first of twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now, I've got Joinned Desmond, who was well known.

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<v Speaker 2>We saw her every Monday through Friday on TV four

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<v Speaker 2>for the six o'clock and eleven o'clock news when we lost.

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<v Speaker 2>When I heard yesterday that we lost Jimmy Carter made

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<v Speaker 2>me think back to that moment. Now, there's no comparison.

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<v Speaker 2>Jimmy Carter passed away at one hundred, lived to be

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<v Speaker 2>a ripe old age of one hundred. But it made

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<v Speaker 2>me think of the assassination of John Fitzgerald Kennedy and

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<v Speaker 2>I have somebody who is right there reporting to all

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<v Speaker 2>the Bostonians watching TV four that the president had been assassinated.

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<v Speaker 2>What else can you tell me about that day for

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<v Speaker 3>I like the way you put that, because everybody had

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<v Speaker 3>a different kind of day going on for them, and

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<v Speaker 3>we all were hit at some point in the day

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<v Speaker 3>by this incredible news. Here's my story. All of us

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<v Speaker 3>as reporters at WBZ had to do what we called

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<v Speaker 3>ride the wires. That was the name of the job,

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<v Speaker 3>and it meant that you had to listen to the

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<v Speaker 3>wire machines who's brought in the news, Associated Press, the UPI,

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<v Speaker 3>United Press International, And that was my job on that day.

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<v Speaker 3>It fell to me Lucky me, and I didn't like

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<v Speaker 3>it because I was working on another story for the

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<v Speaker 3>evening news that I wanted to focus on it, but

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<v Speaker 3>I had to listen to it. And these little machines

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<v Speaker 3>kept rattatatting through the day, very irritating, but sometimes you

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<v Speaker 3>had to stop and if there was a port and

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<v Speaker 3>bullet and they would go ding ding ding, three dings,

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<v Speaker 3>that meant get up here and look at this, and

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<v Speaker 3>then we'd do what we call rip and read. That

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<v Speaker 3>means you ripped it off, you ran into the studio

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<v Speaker 3>and they read it on the air if it was

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<v Speaker 3>a hot news story. On this particular day, I heard

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<v Speaker 3>it go not just three dings ding ding ding, it

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<v Speaker 3>was ten in a row. What's going on? So I

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<v Speaker 3>ran up to the machine and I looked at it

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<v Speaker 3>and it was stopped. I went back and sat down

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<v Speaker 3>and said, oh, dear, well, I hope nothing's wrong with it.

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<v Speaker 3>Started up again, the ding ding ding, and I rushed

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<v Speaker 3>over to the machine and there was a message on

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<v Speaker 3>it saying get off. Everybody, get off, And that meant

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<v Speaker 3>that all of these people who fed news into this

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<v Speaker 3>machine throughout the nation were told to get off. I

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<v Speaker 3>just stood there, stunned, I'd never seen anything like this,

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<v Speaker 3>and I thought, well, who do I call to fix

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<v Speaker 3>this thing? Then came the words it started up again.

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<v Speaker 3>Then came the words in capital letters. President Kennedy shot Dallas.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh God, no guest or. And then I whirled around

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<v Speaker 3>and I said, hey, everybody over here. Well, I was

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<v Speaker 3>the only girl, the only female in the studios, in

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<v Speaker 3>the newsroom, so they sometimes didn't pay any attention, but

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<v Speaker 3>today they did the way I've talked, get over here.

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<v Speaker 3>We all watched the news bullet and come in President

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<v Speaker 3>Kennedy seriously wounded, and the story unfolded over the next

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<v Speaker 3>few minutes. Then ed FULI, our news director, came in

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<v Speaker 3>and gave us each assignments and said, you get out

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<v Speaker 3>of here and go interview Tip O'Neill. You go to

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<v Speaker 3>interview this person. I got Tip O'Neill, whom I adored.

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<v Speaker 3>Tip was like a big uncle. He was just so sweet.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh he was a nice man, and he would always

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<v Speaker 3>say hello, dog, and which is word for me? Then

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<v Speaker 3>you know, now today's world, when I see so many

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<v Speaker 3>people say, oh don't you call me darling? I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I just loved him. I wanted to just be a

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<v Speaker 3>little girl and crawl in his lap. He was so sweet,

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<v Speaker 3>but anyway, this is big Irish face was just swollen

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<v Speaker 3>with tears. And when I see his picture at the

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<v Speaker 3>in Boston, hanging up at the post office, I think

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<v Speaker 3>it is I often say hello, Doll, and I'll remember

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<v Speaker 3>that day and the most moving interview he gave me.

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<v Speaker 3>He'd helped John F. Kennedy rise from his earliest days

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<v Speaker 3>in Boston politics, gave him all sorts of tips. That's

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<v Speaker 3>how I got the name tip O'Neil, tips and I

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<v Speaker 3>loved tips. I loved tip O'Neil. And the tears were

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<v Speaker 3>pouring down my cheeks too, but luckily my back was

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<v Speaker 3>to the camera. And after that interview, we made our

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<v Speaker 3>way down Boylston Street and did a lot of men

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<v Speaker 3>on the street interviews, and one that I thought would

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<v Speaker 3>be unique. I saw carp stopped at a light right

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<v Speaker 3>about well right about Boylston, so I poked my live

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<v Speaker 3>mic through the window and I asked the people in there.

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<v Speaker 3>I heard them saying, oh no, for their reactions to

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<v Speaker 3>the news, I do what I get. We all got

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<v Speaker 3>it all on camera, their shock, their sadness, the radio

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<v Speaker 3>blurting out the news in the background, all of it,

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<v Speaker 3>and then the traffic light suddenly changed and I quickly

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<v Speaker 3>pulled my mic back out and the car drove away, slowly, sadly. Luckily,

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<v Speaker 3>the camera man I was working with went along with it,

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<v Speaker 3>car as it pulled away. It was a different than

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<v Speaker 3>the usual man on the street interview, but that unique

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<v Speaker 3>piece was used several times in the later newscasts at

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<v Speaker 3>WDZTV over the coming days. And you know, Morgan, that

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<v Speaker 3>just provided the perfect rap to all the other man

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<v Speaker 3>on the streets that people were doing. It gave a

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<v Speaker 3>sad but unique sense of finality. Is that car drove

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<v Speaker 3>away with the people you knew who were mourning inside.

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<v Speaker 3>That was the Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>As I watched news today, both national news and local news,

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<v Speaker 2>people seemed to be comfortable. It's almost like you knew

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<v Speaker 2>he was in hospice. He was in hospice a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>People normally are in hospice for a week or two

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<v Speaker 2>at least the year.

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<v Speaker 3>So you I didn't already yeah, already anticipating an end

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<v Speaker 3>to the Jimmy Carter story.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what makes my talking to you so apropos

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<v Speaker 2>because that's the story that punched America right in the gut,

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<v Speaker 2>that our president was taken from us by an assassin's bullet.

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<v Speaker 3>Right. He didn't have that time to make peace with

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<v Speaker 3>with whatever needs to be made peace with. He didn't

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<v Speaker 3>have time to go over his memories. Is I'm sure

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<v Speaker 3>Jimmy Carter must have done during his time in the hospital,

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<v Speaker 3>and just just to be able to review your life

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<v Speaker 3>and to see it in focus. He never had that chance.

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<v Speaker 3>It was just and the Carter.

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<v Speaker 2>Complex for memoirs and memories and his history through politics.

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<v Speaker 2>Say what, let me take a call. We have news

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<v Speaker 2>and you and I will stay to the top of

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<v Speaker 2>the hour. David and San Francisco, Thank you for calling.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to BC, Happy.

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<v Speaker 4>New Year, Thank you for going. Happy New too.

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<v Speaker 4>I have a story that Jimmy Carter's I find interesting.

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<v Speaker 4>By the way, he was at the hospitals for twenty

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<v Speaker 4>two months.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, almost two years?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, almost two years. Okay. My story is that in

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<v Speaker 4>nineteen seventy six, when Jimmy Carter was running for president,

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<v Speaker 4>he had to what's the word lobbie or every state

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<v Speaker 4>Jimmy Carter on the ballot because his full name was

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<v Speaker 4>James Earl Carter. Now was okay. Eight years before nineteen

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<v Speaker 4>seventy six, in nineteen sixty eight, Martin Luther King was

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<v Speaker 4>and that's why Jimmy Carter wanted to have his name

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<v Speaker 4>is Jimmy Carter on the ballot so that the voters

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting fact.

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<v Speaker 4>One more thing, One more thing, Uh, Maria, do you

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<v Speaker 4>remember Carter's little Liverpool pills?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, advertised advertised on yeah, those Amateur Hour.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh that's right, I remember that. I remember some uh

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<v Speaker 4>it sounds like it came from a newspaper. Reporter somewhere

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<v Speaker 4>made up this thing as pretty clever. And he referred

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<v Speaker 4>to all the people have voted for Jimmy Carter. He

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<v Speaker 4>called them Carter's little lever polls. Oh dear, I remember that.

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<v Speaker 4>I remember that too. So now and you all have

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<v Speaker 4>a nice New Year's and thank you for taking my call.

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<v Speaker 3>It brings the mind to me something else that Jimmy

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<v Speaker 3>kind of preparation for politics that would be the most ideal.

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<v Speaker 3>In fact, both of them had just the opposite. Jimmy

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<v Speaker 3>Carter came from a peanut farmer for being a peanut

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<v Speaker 3>farmer in a small yeah, and exactly. And then Kennedy

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<v Speaker 3>of them overcame whatever problems they had as young people

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<v Speaker 2>But being Katholic worked against Kennedy, or may not against definitely.

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<v Speaker 3>Not for him exactly exactly. And being just a simple

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<v Speaker 3>it's right. So both of them had to fight their

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<v Speaker 3>early there, what they came in with, what their their

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<v Speaker 3>earlier life was all about. But one thing that I

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<v Speaker 3>your your caller was saying, these are some of the

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<v Speaker 3>things that happened as a result of that and I've

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<v Speaker 3>have of Kennedy's last day was that that the there

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<v Speaker 3>were always some things that were were good that come

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<v Speaker 3>out of everything that's bad. That's what I've found again

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<v Speaker 3>and again, and his sudden death did highlight the need

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<v Speaker 3>that we had absolutely no constitutional guidance for change. We

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<v Speaker 3>had nothing that said here's what happens.

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<v Speaker 2>I wait, wait, I'm sorry it. I have to take

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<v Speaker 2>a news hit, and when we come back, we'll delve

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<v Speaker 2>into that and talk about Congress making some changes in

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<v Speaker 2>our history because of the Kennedy assassination. Let me take

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<v Speaker 2>my break and we'll get back. Time and temperature eight

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<v Speaker 2>thirty one. Here on Nightside fifty one.

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<v Speaker 1>Degrees night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Dan is off tonight and tomorrow night. Actually he was

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<v Speaker 2>off all last week. My name. I am here holding

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<v Speaker 2>the fort, and then we'll be back on Wednesday, right

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<v Speaker 2>where he belongs behind this microphone. But for now, I

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<v Speaker 2>am here, and I'm joined by a former Channel four employee,

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<v Speaker 2>Joann Desmond, who was the first female And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm betting you feel uncomfortable hearing people always lead with

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<v Speaker 2>that intro for you, because I like what you said

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm not a woman, I'm a reporter.

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<v Speaker 3>Well I am a woman, But first, first of all,

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<v Speaker 3>I was a reporter, absolutely, absolutely, And you know, in

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<v Speaker 3>those days we didn't just nowadays, an anchor person as

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<v Speaker 3>someone who pretty much stays in the studio. They don't

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<v Speaker 3>tend to leave the studio very often people come to

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<v Speaker 3>them for interviews, right, But a reporter went out in

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<v Speaker 3>the field and and saw things and talked with people

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<v Speaker 3>and saw it with their own eyes, and could had

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<v Speaker 3>to write their own scripts and get it ready to

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<v Speaker 3>come back in. I was an anchor slash reporter. I

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<v Speaker 3>did both, and that I hadn't done anymore. So it

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<v Speaker 3>was exhausting, But that's how it went.

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<v Speaker 2>We went into the break with this subject, and I

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<v Speaker 2>want to get right back to it. After the president

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<v Speaker 2>was assassinated the last of sixty three and beginning in

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<v Speaker 2>sixty four, Congress passed a couple of bills. Right because

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<v Speaker 2>of that, let's talk about those.

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<v Speaker 5>Bills, Okay, okay, in fact example, okay, well again, Within

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<v Speaker 5>three months of that, the House and the Senate both

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<v Speaker 5>agreed on the warning of what was going to become

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<v Speaker 5>the twenty fifth Amendment, and that would come into being

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<v Speaker 5>law in February nineteen sixty seven.

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<v Speaker 3>Section one of that twenty fifth Amendment made it very

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<v Speaker 3>clear that the vice president that the vice president became

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<v Speaker 3>president whenever the president became vacant under these three circumstances, death, resignation,

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<v Speaker 3>or removal from office. Section two gave the president, on

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<v Speaker 3>the other hand, the power to name a new vice

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<v Speaker 3>president is that became vacant with the he had to have. However,

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<v Speaker 3>the permission of Congress and the amendments to other sections

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<v Speaker 3>detail the process for vice president to serve as acting

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<v Speaker 3>or her duties, and how to resolve any disputes about

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<v Speaker 3>the president's ability to discharge official powers. So the choice

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<v Speaker 3>that amendment was was, now, did we ever use the

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<v Speaker 3>twenty fifth Amendment? As the next question? Was it just

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<v Speaker 3>some obsolete that they did.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah.

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<v Speaker 3>The twenty fifth Amendment was actually called into play in

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<v Speaker 3>October nineteen seventy three when Vice President Spiro Agnew resigned.

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<v Speaker 3>Gerald Ford became the new vice president in December of

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen seventy three, and Ford himself invoked that twenty fifth

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<v Speaker 3>Amendment nine months later when he nominated Nelson Rockefeller as

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<v Speaker 3>vice president after Nixon's resignation. So again, when something happens,

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<v Speaker 3>as I write my book, I'm very interested in what

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<v Speaker 3>was the upshot of a story that I covered? How

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<v Speaker 3>did the sax the nation? And this is a pretty

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<v Speaker 2>I always found it. I just used the word suspicious

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<v Speaker 2>that Joel Ford was part of the Warren Commission. In

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<v Speaker 2>the Warren Commission spent months and months and months studying

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<v Speaker 2>the Kennedy assassination, and a member of the Warrant Commission

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<v Speaker 2>became President of the United States through circumstances. I always

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<v Speaker 2>found that suspicious. But to what end?

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<v Speaker 3>But I think you're one of the few people, Stuart,

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<v Speaker 3>enough to watch that and come up with that suspicions. Congratulations,

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't. I didn't you thought, But you're right. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>that would be suspicious, definitely. I'm going to ask that's

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<v Speaker 3>what makes you so much fun.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to ask you a very sticky question. As

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<v Speaker 2>the me too movement of the recent past five ten years,

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<v Speaker 2>But back in the mid sixties, did you have to

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<v Speaker 2>can and say it. Like some of the women in

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<v Speaker 2>the Me Too movement of today, well, it would.

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<v Speaker 3>Make a much better story if I could tell you

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<v Speaker 3>that I had to struggle and fight with my colleagues,

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<v Speaker 3>if they chased me around the desk, that would be

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<v Speaker 3>a much more exciting story. But I have to tell

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<v Speaker 3>you I worked with the best. I have to be

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<v Speaker 3>honest and say that I had. If I'd had a

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<v Speaker 3>hashtag from those days as the only woman in broadcast

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<v Speaker 3>news in Boston, it might read why not me? Because

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<v Speaker 3>the truth is, my male colleagues and I got along

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<v Speaker 3>We worked so hard, and I suppose some wag would say,

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<v Speaker 3>she's we're working so hard, we've got time for an affair.

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<v Speaker 3>But what the fact is, no one would ever think

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<v Speaker 3>of that. I knew their wives. Their wives had have

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<v Speaker 3>me over for dinner. We were it was like a

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<v Speaker 3>big family. We all liked each other, and most important

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<v Speaker 3>to me, we respected each other.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't have to experience that at all. You where

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<v Speaker 2>did you go when you left Boston.

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<v Speaker 3>I did get married when I left Boston and went overseas. Overseas,

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<v Speaker 3>I have to admit the part of my problem was

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<v Speaker 3>that the Boston Strangler was seemed to be following me

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<v Speaker 3>and lots of different places in the studio and waiting

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<v Speaker 3>for me there, and in my home coming to my home,

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<v Speaker 3>a number of different places. I was just nervous. And

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<v Speaker 3>I had fallen in love with a young military officer

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<v Speaker 3>who said, I'm on my way to uncle a Turkey,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'd like to have you come with me as

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<v Speaker 3>my wife. I liked it. I was in love with him,

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<v Speaker 3>but I was also terrified of the Stranglers, and so

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<v Speaker 3>I said yes, and we we went off on the

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<v Speaker 3>other side of the world where I knew i'd be safe.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me think that was a part of it, frankly, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>let me clarify that.

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<v Speaker 2>As you covered the story of the Boston Strangler and

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<v Speaker 2>It's Heyday, yep, you received unwanted attention from the strangler.

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<v Speaker 2>You never confronted face to face. But he got into

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<v Speaker 2>the TV studio, into the he got into the building

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<v Speaker 2>and onto the set, but never face to face with you.

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<v Speaker 2>He came into your apartment building knocked on your front door,

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<v Speaker 2>but thank goodness, you never answered the door.

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<v Speaker 6>But when your yeah, yeah, you got confronted by the

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<v Speaker 6>Boston Strangler, you meant that as the man himself.

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<v Speaker 2>Had designs on you. And I don't blame you for

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<v Speaker 2>being I don't blame you for being afraid and figuring, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I can get married to a man I love and

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<v Speaker 2>being a safe location thousands of.

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<v Speaker 3>Miles away, right, And we had a happy marriage and

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<v Speaker 3>we had three beautiful children, so it was fine. But

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<v Speaker 3>but I can't say for sure it was the Boston Strangler.

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<v Speaker 3>I have to say that was never proven, but it

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<v Speaker 3>sure looked mysterious to me, and especially when he came

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<v Speaker 3>to the studio and my colleagues had seen one of

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<v Speaker 3>them had seen him, and he thought he was there

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<v Speaker 3>to learn about the weather. So the description was very

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<v Speaker 3>similar to what we know about the Strangler. But again

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<v Speaker 3>I have to as a Newswoman, I have to say

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<v Speaker 3>this is not has not and pinned down with absolute proof.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's sure suspicious. Okay, So enough about that. It

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<v Speaker 3>it rated, it did get it did leave me something

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<v Speaker 3>terrible and dangerous, as the Strangler led me to a

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<v Speaker 3>very happy marriage. So I find again and again things

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<v Speaker 3>that seemed to be awful, awful.

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<v Speaker 2>Overall things absolutely things worked out, things worked out for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me take a break. When we come back, I

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<v Speaker 2>want you to tell your backstory, college, your backstory, your college,

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<v Speaker 2>your early career. Time here on night Side eight forty

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<v Speaker 2>five fifty one degrees.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan ray Line from the Window World

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<v Speaker 2>Joan, excuse me, Joan Desmond is my guest? You want

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<v Speaker 2>to call in? I'm almost out of time with Joe

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<v Speaker 2>Anne six one, seven, two, five, four ten eight eight

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<v Speaker 3>Ah? What a good question, What a very good question.

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<v Speaker 3>I have a phrase that goes through my head, has

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<v Speaker 3>gone through my head since I was a little girls.

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<v Speaker 3>I have several, and I think those phrases help me

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<v Speaker 3>move forward. And one of my favorites was why not

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<v Speaker 3>there was no when I looked at the newspapers, there

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<v Speaker 3>was no ad. That's not where you'll see that. There's

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<v Speaker 3>no never going to be an ad for an anchor

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<v Speaker 3>woman or a television news reporter in the newspaper. That's

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<v Speaker 3>not how it happens. But I did learn another good tip,

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<v Speaker 3>which was just get into the organization somehow. Get in

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<v Speaker 3>somewhere at some level. Maybe it's aboutom, but just get

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<v Speaker 3>in and then keep your ears open. That's just what

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<v Speaker 3>I did, And later I heard Barbara Walters say the

431
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<v Speaker 3>same thing, that that's how she did it. And so

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<v Speaker 3>I just started doing some programs over at one TV

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<v Speaker 3>station and they afterwards, we'd sit around and Julia Childs

434
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<v Speaker 3>was in the next studio doing her cooking show We

435
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<v Speaker 3>get all her her leftovers, and somebody said to me, G,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I hear that WVZ is looking for a

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<v Speaker 3>new anchor woman, the Betty Adams is getting married and

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<v Speaker 3>to leave. Wow, that's all I needed. I was out

439
00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:30.559
<v Speaker 3>there the next day knocking on the door because I

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00:31:30.599 --> 00:31:33.240
<v Speaker 3>thought to myself, why not, What can I lose? What

441
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<v Speaker 3>if I had to lose? They hired me and I

442
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<v Speaker 3>got that wonderful job, dream job because I was in

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<v Speaker 3>it in the midieu where I could hear this conversation

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<v Speaker 3>stuff going on after hours after our work was done.

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<v Speaker 3>Just a casual comment. I hear they're looking for a

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<v Speaker 3>new one. Oh that's just what I needed.

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<v Speaker 2>And Grimal two and Channel four were neighbors.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right, But oh do I love Channel four. I'll

449
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<v Speaker 3>tell you Channel four gave me the top stories. Well,

450
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<v Speaker 3>at first they weren't sure about me, and they gave

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<v Speaker 3>me the light fluffy stuff, you know, like go out

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<v Speaker 3>and ride with the race in the coaches with the

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<v Speaker 3>in the races, go out to Suffolk Downs and do

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<v Speaker 3>this little the biggest squash in the garden for the

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<v Speaker 3>summer season. Things like that, and the canaria that can

456
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<v Speaker 3>sing traviata and that sort of thing. A little stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>But within two months they started me out with a

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<v Speaker 3>big time stuff. And no one in print journalism could

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<v Speaker 3>do that. No one else, accept people in television news,

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<v Speaker 3>which was inventing itself at that time, could get away

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<v Speaker 3>with what they had me go to. I was so

462
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<v Speaker 3>thrilled that they gave me the big stories, the biggest

463
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<v Speaker 3>news stories, and had I had to show that I

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<v Speaker 3>was worth worth their confidence. So it made me carter.

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<v Speaker 3>But I'll tell you WDZ sent me out to interview

466
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<v Speaker 3>the Versus Mercury astronauts. Of course I did, Martin Luther King.

467
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<v Speaker 3>I was so thrilled for that. I did Danny Kay,

468
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<v Speaker 3>I did Peter Houston talk Jim Watson, who developed the

469
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<v Speaker 3>DNA the double helix, and it just went on and on,

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<v Speaker 3>the big time stuff. I spent every weekend at the

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<v Speaker 3>Boston Library because in those days we didn't have internet

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<v Speaker 3>to look things up, and so I had my own

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<v Speaker 3>files that I would carry with me in and out

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<v Speaker 3>every day.

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<v Speaker 2>Research.

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<v Speaker 3>And you didn't have research.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm betting you did not have an intern working for

478
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<v Speaker 2>you looking stuff up.

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<v Speaker 1>You look stuff up, you bet.

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<v Speaker 3>And furthermore, we did our own fact checking. There were

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<v Speaker 3>no fact checkers in those days, and you didn't want

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<v Speaker 3>and Ed Fui, our wonderful boss at that time, said,

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<v Speaker 3>is that a first person or is that second? Did

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<v Speaker 3>you hear that straight from the from the person who

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<v Speaker 3>did it or said it, or did you have that

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<v Speaker 3>as a secondary source. And he wanted always to be

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<v Speaker 3>sure that we were saying the right thing. And I

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<v Speaker 3>appreciated that, so we had to do that. I'll tell

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<v Speaker 3>you one little episode that happened. I think it's so

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<v Speaker 3>important you say, tell me about your early life. I

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<v Speaker 3>think some of the things that happened in my early

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<v Speaker 3>life had quite a bit of influence on what later

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<v Speaker 3>happened each of the news shows that I did. I

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<v Speaker 3>did the morning news, and then they started the news

495
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<v Speaker 3>at noon, which they started for Jack Chase and me

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<v Speaker 3>because our ratings were going up. And so then after

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<v Speaker 3>I finished those daytime shows, they put me on the

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<v Speaker 3>evening news, which was great. But when I joined the

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<v Speaker 3>evening news team as one of the anchors, I wondered

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<v Speaker 3>if I'd ever become part of their ritual they had

501
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<v Speaker 3>followed the evening news. I thought maybe it was just

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<v Speaker 3>a guy thing. What they would do is go over

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<v Speaker 3>to Howard Johnson's next door and they talk over the

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<v Speaker 3>day before they went back to their homes. They'd sort

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<v Speaker 3>of get it all off her chests out of their

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<v Speaker 3>heads before they went home. And finally they invited me

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<v Speaker 3>after months and months, They said, do you have to

508
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<v Speaker 3>hurry home to it? I said, well, no, I'm just

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<v Speaker 3>going home. I don't rush, But well, well, why don't

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<v Speaker 3>you just join us for a few minutes over at

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<v Speaker 3>Hojo's tonight?

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<v Speaker 5>You might just pay it. Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>It reminded me of a time when I was about

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<v Speaker 3>ten years old and one of the boys on our

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<v Speaker 3>school playground noticed that I could hit a baseball pretty hard,

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<v Speaker 3>pretty far for a girl. He said, yeah. And Edie

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<v Speaker 3>asked me if I'd like to play on the all

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<v Speaker 3>boys team. Was I thrilled? They were about they were

519
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<v Speaker 3>two years older than I was, and I kept thinking,

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<v Speaker 3>I get to play with the big boys.

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<v Speaker 2>You made it when you get into a group of

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<v Speaker 2>boys ten, twelve, fourteen years old through sports and you're

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<v Speaker 2>judged as an equal. You maybe let me take let

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<v Speaker 2>me take one more call. Let's go to Millicon and

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<v Speaker 2>speak to Alex. Alex, you've got Joanne Desmond.

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<v Speaker 7>Hi, Joanne. You know I was going to share a

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<v Speaker 7>quick story. My dad had a restaurant and you talk

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<v Speaker 7>when you mentioned Jack Chase. He did a story about

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<v Speaker 7>a Greek immigrant, and I still have their eight I

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<v Speaker 7>think there are eight millimeteria tapes we have him, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>digitalized now, but back then on the partment it was

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<v Speaker 7>the bi centennial, I think. But my dad came over

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<v Speaker 7>to this country and he was he worked hard, and

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<v Speaker 7>he had his whole family there, you know, helping out.

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<v Speaker 7>And so Jack was really I don't recall too well

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<v Speaker 7>because I was a little kid, but he he was

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<v Speaker 7>so gracious and he uh, he sat down with my

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<v Speaker 7>dad and he did the one of you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, that's wonderful. What a great story that is. And

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<v Speaker 3>where did your father come from? Did you say?

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<v Speaker 7>Greyeah? We lost we lost him a couple of months ago.

542
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<v Speaker 7>But he was ninety six and he was in Harborside

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<v Speaker 7>for you know, when he came to this country and

544
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<v Speaker 7>then he went out on his own and opened up

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<v Speaker 7>to breakfast shops.

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<v Speaker 3>How absolutely marvelous. That's a great American story. And Jack

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<v Speaker 3>Chase is the doll. And Morgan thought Jack Chase is

548
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<v Speaker 3>wonderful because he knew him as when Morgan was a

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<v Speaker 3>little boy.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Morgan, Yes, I used to watch Getting out of Kindergarten,

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<v Speaker 2>Unt Maynt Thelma. I had to go to her house

552
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<v Speaker 2>because the school was one block away, and she would

553
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<v Speaker 2>watch me during the day till my mother got home.

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<v Speaker 2>And I would love Jack Chase and Dark Kent and Alex.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you remember Jack Chase's tagline, Uh let.

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<v Speaker 7>Me see uh something. Oh shush my memory, I'm drawing blank.

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<v Speaker 1>Go out and make it a good day, make.

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<v Speaker 7>It a good day. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, right, exactly right.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 7>Jack was a doll.

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<v Speaker 3>He was every bit as kind and generous and charming

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<v Speaker 3>as you saw him on television. He was the real thing.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah yeah, a waves, goodbye, goodbye, Happy New Year.

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<v Speaker 3>H that's a charming story. Don Kent was just as

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<v Speaker 3>sweet as Jack. Absolutely and I.

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<v Speaker 2>Interviewed Don don Kent three times, each time than the last.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I want to take a news break and wavene

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<v Speaker 2>and then your phone will ring. It will be me

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<v Speaker 2>requesting your time on the radio. Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Always a pleasure. It's always a pleasure talking to you.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you more, thank you, Joanne.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, now I'm gonna get some water from a voice,

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<v Speaker 2>and next hour we're gonna talk about Boston music performers,

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<v Speaker 2>the places they played, and the music they made. Time

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<v Speaker 2>eight fifty eight fifty one degrees