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Speaker 2: But he's time to get to another vote.

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Speaker 1: Let's get prep get ready for that BYU TCU matchup.

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The BYU Cougars are balling out in the Big twelve

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and TCU. They're a good team. Guys, don't get a twist.

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Eleven to five on the season one and two in

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Big twelve play. They have two consecutive losses, but they've

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been competitive in those losses. They lost by fourd to Kansas.

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That was at Kansas, who was on the road, and

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then they lost to U of A. They were competitive there.

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They did lose by thirteen but this team can win.

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This team can score with the best of them. And

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they got some great athletes as well, so they've got

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some nice victory. Look, they barely lost to Michigan sixty

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seven to sixty three as well. So a talented team,

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a well coached team. And we're familiar with a few

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of those guys that are repping that that purple down

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there at TCU, and they're gonna be coming into the

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marriage center.

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and now we got the fight song bringing him in.

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I love that I told this man like, had you

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not transferred by you would have made to another sweet.

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Speaker 2: Sixteen in my opinion, But he took us town.

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Speaker 1: Some marquette got buckets there, played overseas and now he's

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doing great things with TCU.

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Speaker 2: Let's welcome in, Matt Carlo to the show. What's up, Matt, hey, Ben?

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Speaker 3: How you doing?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing awesome, brother. How are you? How's the fam?

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How's everything going?

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Speaker 4: Everything's great, man, everything's great.

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Speaker 3: Can't complain love it man.

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Speaker 1: We'll give us an update, give us a brief rundown

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of what's keeping you busy these days. I know you're

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part of the TCU horn Frogs basketball analysis team. What

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else did you got cooking? Where you're living?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 2: Give us update on all the things.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'm I'm back and forth worth. I was

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a graduate assistant for Jamie Dixon back in twenty nineteen,

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twenty twenty one season, when Desmond Baine was here and

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we had some good players, Mike Miles, RJ and Mhart.

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A lot of guys got a chance in the NBA

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and uh yeah, back here with my wife her her

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sister was a beach volleyball coach. Here they just won

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the national championship uh in the spring. So we're uh,

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we're happy to be back here. And I'm working for

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a company called higginbotham uh selling insurance. So all is

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well on my end, and just feel super blessed to

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be here and I'm coming out back to the Marriott Center.

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Speaker 2: It's freaking awesome.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: Hey, and you were you were a baller man. People

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don't People don't realize like you're were of the best

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guards to ever play at b YU in my opinion,

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the fantastic score underrated distributor of the basketball as well

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had a handle very very rarely prior to the the

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k Y era, right when we're getting the rob wrights

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and all this stuff, it was a bit of a

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novelty to have a point guard that could break a pass,

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pressed through the through the bounce.

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Speaker 2: You know you were one of those guys.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I appreciate that. I you know, there's

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been so many good players to come through BYU.

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Speaker 3: I think you can get lost in the shuffle sometimes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: But we loved watching to play at Brigham And congratulations

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on all of your success. What are you looking forward

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to getting back into the merrit Center, and I guess

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calling this game, you're gonna be doing color. You're gonna

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be doing sideline reporting. What do you mean doing for

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the the TCU Hornfrogs.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I do the.

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Speaker 4: Color with a great Brian Estridge calls the games play

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by play for TCU and yeah, I'm excited, and b

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YU as a really good team. TCU, like you said,

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really good team. Should have won at Kansas, really could

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have and should have.

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Speaker 3: Maybe beat Michigan too. They're very good, have some good

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wins and a lot of talent.

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Speaker 4: So looking forward, I've kind of was joking after our

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last game we played Arizona and we we've faced Darren Peterson,

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CoA Pete and now AJ in this next one, so

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we kind of went through the gauntlet of the the

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big freshman. So I'm looking forward to to see how

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AJ stacks up with with the rest of them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm excited to watch it as well.

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Speaker 1: Let's uh, let's do a little breakdown of who TCU is,

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what the team composition looks like, what the culture's like there,

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what type of what the style of play that they have.

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Speaker 2: Give us a little synopsis.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Coach Dixon, he's done an amazing job of just

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developing talent. Got a really good guard and Brock Harding,

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who can really he can really share the boy, he's

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a really good passer. David Punch who's a sophomore, good

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big guy. They got some other really good pieces Michael

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Robinson h and another guy in Xavier Edmonds who.

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Speaker 3: Was the number one of the number one JUCO big guys.

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Speaker 4: So they got pieces TCU's pieces, and uh, you know,

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the country, Like I said, at developing talent, but also

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game planning for teams, and BYU obviously has some really

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talented guys, So I think it should be interesting to

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see the matchup and how how they game plan for him.

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Speaker 2: You're you're a well versed experience.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you grew up getting buckets, right, You played

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NBA G League. What type of ball is being played

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in the Big twelve Matt right, Like, you're very familiar

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with this, Uh, I call it the the G League

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with university logos.

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Speaker 2: What type of ball is being played right now? Oh man.

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Speaker 4: I mean I watched the U of A team against

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TCU at Sholmeyer at TCU, I mean, it was ridiculous.

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you know, there's a lot of guys I work with

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who go to various Big twelve schools and they're just like, yeah,

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you get done with BYU in Provo, and then you

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got to go play Calvin Sampson at Houston, and then

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next thing you know, you're you're playing at Iowa State,

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towards the bottom of the league. I told before conference

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play started, I told a lot of people I said,

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you can have not a good team, but I think

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like a really good team and have a really bad

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record in the Big Twelve. It's just it is what

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it is. Every night is a fight to get a win,

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different styles of play. It honestly reminds me of an

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upscale version of the old Mountain West.

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Speaker 1: I like the breakdown and excited for this game. What

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do you know about BYU? Have you been able to

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scout the coups.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I know they got you know, right

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and Saunders and the Bonza and.

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Speaker 3: Other than that, I know that they just have a bunch.

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Speaker 4: Of guys who are solid, they can play. I've watched

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Bonza and honestly out of the three just on film.

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think he's the best freshman that I've seen. Just has

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the most upside and you know, just an incredible talent.

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since he, you know, was a freshman basically, and I

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know what he's capable of. He just does so much

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on the court and right obviously a Baylor guy, now

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BUYU guy. That was an extremely good get for them

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bringing him in to compliment those guys. So you know,

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Speaker 3: Obviously, being on the other side of it.

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Speaker 4: I knew it was always hard for teams to come

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in and win at the Marriott Center, so it'll be

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a challenge for TCU. But like Coach Dixon always says,

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every game is a challenge in the Big Twelve, and

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it's just no different.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the SEC in football talks about a gauntlet. That

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ain't no gauntlet anymore. The true gauntlet is in the

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Speaker 4: That's funny that you said that, because that was literally

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a conversation at the office today, someone said that the

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SEC football is nothing compared to Big twelve basketball.

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Speaker 2: It's not.

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Speaker 1: Man, it's no joke, and it's been very entertaining to

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watch know if sands or buts about it. Look, you

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the transfer portal. Okay, you mentioned these guards, Rob Wright,

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that was a good acquisition.

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Speaker 2: I remember when.

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Speaker 1: BYU got you, that was a fantastic acquisition. Was coming

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off the Jimmer ferdet era. We were looking for another

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guard that could score, that could distribute, that could play

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good defense. And for those that don't know, Matt Carlino

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played in ninety six games, including seventy one starts during

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his three year career at BYU. Average twelve point five points,

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four point six assists, three point three rebounds per game.

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point five percent from the three point line, seventy one

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point two percent from the Charity Stripe, scored in double

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figures fifty nine times and career high thirty twice. Second

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you're still there, but it's right there.

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Speaker 1: Fourth and assist per game, seventh and three point field

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goal attempts in BAU basketball history, and the seventh in

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steals at one hundred and sixty one, Eighth in ten

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assist games at three. I'm going down the list, man,

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your ninth all time and assist and so you you

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were getting buckets like, tell me what your thoughts are

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on the transfer portal, how it impacts college athletics in

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this day and age.

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Speaker 4: Man, that's a whole segment in and of itself. I

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you know, I'm glad the ear that I played in

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even though I did transfer. I mean, not to toot

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my own horn, but I did all that in two

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and a half seasons, not even three. So but you know,

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more transfers would have would have happened back then. It's

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free agency every year, and it's just one of those

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things that I'm glad that I got to play at

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just two places in Marquette, and BYU and because you know,

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you're just getting more money and you know, you get

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to experience. I mean, maybe at the most you stay

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Speaker 3: Because it's just a good fit.

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Speaker 4: But you know, it's just so wild. I don't want

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Speaker 3: I I'm I was told that I transferred a lot,

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Speaker 4: Always tell people, man, I on even play it at

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Speaker 1: Okay, go back in time. I've asked you this question,

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and I've made the pitch. I've texted you this. I'm like, hey, B,

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why you have B, Why you retained you and you

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not transferred. I know there's a lot of things that

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move and uh, you know, certain roles and playing time

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and vision of coaches and scheme. There's a lot of

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things that contribute to transfers. We all know that, and

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it's even more complicated now than ever. But if you

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could go back and do it, again. And I know

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you loved your time at Marquette. You balled out there.

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You had a great time there and were featured and

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it got to see a lot of different things, that

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experienced a.

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Speaker 2: Lot of different things.

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Speaker 1: If you go back and do it again, would you

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have stuck it out at Brigham and led us to

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another Sweet sixteen baby, because I guarantee you we go

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sweet sixteen with you.

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Speaker 4: You know, I don't live my life with regrets. But

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you know, unfortunately at Marquette we didn't win as much.

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I enjoyed winning a lot. I loved all my teammates.

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I still stay in touch with them from BYU, And

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you know, it was really it was kind of sad.

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It was sad for me to leave BYU. I didn't

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necessarily want to leave BYU.

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Speaker 3: In a lot of ways, kind.

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Speaker 4: Of felt like I was forced my hand a little bit.

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I don't know if you remember, I kind of came

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off the bench as one of the best players in

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the conference my junior year, so I feel like they

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just kind of and you were a team captain.

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Speaker 2: I think you were a team captain.

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Speaker 1: I was, and one of the best players, and they

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moved you kind of to a six man role, which

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was tough.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it wasn't only that. I think they just

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had a little bit different vision. They wanted, you know,

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to feature some other guys more maybe, And I don't know,

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like if we would have went to a Sweet sixteen,

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of course, it's easy to sit here and say that

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we would have.

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Speaker 3: But we did have a lot of talent on that team.

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Speaker 4: And you know, honestly, the year before, I definitely think.

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Speaker 3: We would have beat.

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Speaker 4: Oregon if we would have had a healthy Kyle Collinsworth

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my junior year, because you know, we should have beat

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them in your gene that same year. So and then

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who knows what happens after that you win one, you

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start to build some confidence.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, no, I mean, I know.

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Speaker 4: I felt my time in at Buyu is awesome. I

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loved all of my teammates there. I still a close

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with them and speak with them, and it was it

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was sad and I had had to leave vieu Iu.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was looking at the two thousand and fourteen

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twenty fifteen roster and what was there and what we

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what we lacked with you not being there, And look,

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I I'm.

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Speaker 2: In sports radio. So I lived my life in the past,

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so you don't have to. But I we talk about

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the future. We talk about the past a lot, and

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we do talk about the present.

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Speaker 1: But you know, Tyler Hawes was a senior that year,

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Kyle Causers was a junior. We had Jake Toolson as

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a freshman obviously became a good player. Anson Winder was

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a senior. Kyle Davis, I think transfer from Utah State

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as a as a junior, Frank Bartley, Skyler Halford. Because

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we lost you, you know, we acquired we know, went

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into the JUCO ranks. And I remember Frank Bartley in

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the in the Old Miss game in the NCAA tournament,

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he had to play some point guard. We just didn't

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have a point guard. We turned the ball over a

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lot in in that NCUBA tournament game. Corbyn Cafus and

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Luke Worthington, Jamal Aids, Isaac Nielsen, Dalton Nixon.

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Speaker 2: It was a good squad.

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Speaker 1: I mean it was definitely guard heavy, and it would

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have been more guard heavy with you, but you needed

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scores and you need ball handlers. On that team, we

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had some good shooters. Chase Fisher was a live a

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transfer from Wake Forest and he was a good bucket

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getter And obviously we know how good Tyler Hawes and

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Kyle Collinsworth were and he had young stars and and

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Jake Toolson, but I did oh, Josh Sharp Senior also

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kind of a slasher type, small forward type.

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Speaker 2: You were, you were.

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Speaker 1: Familiar with his game, but uh, what we missed, in

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my opinion was a ball handler and a distributor.

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Speaker 2: And you know, is it I mean, look, is it?

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Are we far enough removed to Tom?

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Speaker 1: We didn't prep for this, By the way, we're just

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talking and I'm getting a bunch of texts because they

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love hearing from you, by the way, the fans love

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hearing from you, mat But like, are we far enough

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away removed now to say, okay, like what was you know,

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the key contributing factors to why you ended up transferred?

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Speaker 2: I know you alluded to it a little bit, and.

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Speaker 1: You know, are we far enough way now to talk

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about specifics or do we want to keep it you

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know general?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I mean I they kind of came to me my

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junior year and just you know, you said some of

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the stats and what they brought me in to do,

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and they were like, hey, you're you're not a point

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guard anymore. And I was like, what do you mean,

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I'm not a point guard. I'm leading the conference and

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like assists and like, at that point, I don't think

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I was leading, but I think my junior year I

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did lead the conference and assist the turnover ratio. And

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I was like, okay, so what are we doing here?

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And they just said, hey, we want to like move

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you to the two. And I was like, all right,

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like ill, I'll try it out. Well, I've never played

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the two in our offense or anything. And I actually

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remember it was the Eugene game at Oregon. It was

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around that time when we were kind of making the

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switch or they wanted to just move me strictly off

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ball to the two. And I was just like, hey,

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you know, I'll try to do whatever. I don't agree

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with this, but i'll do whatever, you know, and to

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try to help us win. And it was one of

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those things where you know, it was what it was.

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And I think they wanted to move Kyle Collinsworth to

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the point and just basically have him do the majority

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of the ball handling. And I was like, you know,

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that's all great, but it doesn't really seem like I'm

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too much of a fit. Like I even told him

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straight up, I said, you should play Anton Winder. He's

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been playing the two all year and I think, you know,

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he knows more of it and he's more comfortable with it.

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I straight up told him that. And then it just

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got to the point.

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Speaker 3: Where there was friction there.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, it was kind of just that was the

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start of it, and when they moved me to the

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bench and things of that nature, I kind of just

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was like, Okay, well, if this is kind of the

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way that you view me and what I've tried to

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do for the team being a captain, then you know,

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I feel like there's a lot of friction there. Even

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though I love love that coaching staff and I've still

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talked to them, it was just a difference in opinion

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of I guess who they thought I was as a

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player and where they wanted me to fit in. But

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you know, I still talk to all those guys. I

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talked to Pope, I talked I've talked to coach Rose,

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and like I said, I've had amazing relationships with my teammates,

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but there was just a lot of turmoil that I

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was kind of upset about and felt like they kind

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of forced my hand and yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, dude, I completely understand it.

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Speaker 1: I'll continue to live in the past and say, hey,

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what if what if we could have synergized a little bit,

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what if we could have have figured out a way

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to still have you at point and in the in

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the starting rotation, right, and and you know, I mean, look,

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there's offenses that you can get creative.

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Speaker 2: You don't have to have a primary point guard anymore.

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Speaker 1: Right, it's kind of an uh, even in even in

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that day and age, right, I mean we're talking about

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a little over a decade ago.

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Speaker 2: It's not like you have to have a primary your

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only point guard. Right.

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Speaker 1: You have sets, you have I mean, you have you

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have five out offenses. Now, all these guys can handle.

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Look at Ajtabonsa. He's a point forward, for the love

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of pete. Do we really have to put labels on it?

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And I think once you start to put labels on

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things too, uh, that's where it's like, well, oh, it's

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like this identity crisis. It's like to me, it's about

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you know, utilization and scheme and and winning and uh,

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you know, like if you're if you're a fantastic ballhandler

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that averages averages five assists per game, well, you should

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probably still be distributing the basketball, would be a primary

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ball handler some way, shape or form.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And that was always a struggle for me. I

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was probably my best I was always asked to score

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and was able to score, But my best attribute was

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probably facilitating. And I think, you know, Kyle Collinsworth was

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also a great facilitator from his position, And then you

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had guys that were just natural, more natural scorers like

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a Ty Hawes, who I thought it could have been

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a great mix, and it was at times, but I

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don't know why. It seemed like they could never like

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we could just never synergize the whole thing, because truthfully,

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you called out me being a part of like that

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Sweet sixteen the next year, but in reality.

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Speaker 3: They needed Eric Meika.

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Speaker 4: They needed him and he was unbelievable and I don't

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even think we got that enough out of him. We

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could have got more because he was just an extreme talent.

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So that that junior year team when we lost to Oregon,

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I think if Kyle's healthy, we were very we were

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very good. And I think if we could have gone

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far that year, and if Mika would have I mean,

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he went on a mission so, but that next year,

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if they would have had him, they would have went

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an farther.

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Speaker 1: Now, we didn't have a big the following year, right, well,

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we had a four man. Kyle Davis was a nice

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pickup for for BYU that year. But Eric obviously essentially

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a borderline NBA guy I mean, definitely a G League

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overseas guy that could play.

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Speaker 2: He played forever.

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Speaker 1: Just a big, strong, fast, explosive, you know, pick and

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roll kind of specialists that can run in transition. And

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he had pretty good back to the basket game as well,

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even in his youth.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: But you're right, there's definitely an argument to be made

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there in case he getting injured that season definitely hurt.

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But like I said, I still think the NCAA tournament

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is run by guards, the guard line.

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Speaker 2: It's not the bigs. I really believe that year.

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Speaker 1: I believe if you can have four or five guys

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that can all handle and all, you know, get their

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set set shots in, they can create for themselves and others,

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that's a winning formula.

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Speaker 2: I think if you can master it. You know, it's

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not hard.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's not it's not easy, but if you

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can if you can get that dialed in, you can

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go a long way to the NCAA tournament.

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Speaker 2: And that's that was their weakness, honestly.

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Speaker 1: That years, like you know, breaking presses, getting the ball

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of court, if Kyle got in foul, trouble versus all miss,

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and then you didn't have a backup guard you didn't like.

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Anson was was decent, but he's not as you know,

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he wasn't necessarily a point guard.

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Speaker 2: He's more of a two.

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Speaker 1: Skyler was more of a two. He was more of

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a scoring guard. Frank Bartley was more of a two

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at the time. He developed into a point guard, but

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he was more of a two. We had a bunch

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of twos everywhere. Even Tyler Hawes is a two three

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right Chase Fisher was a two. We had a ton

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of twos. We had only one one. I'm doing everything

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I can. I'm offering up the world to a guy

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that for for my for my ones. I need my

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ones too, and and Kyle and and Matt to me

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needed to be the ones.

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Speaker 2: And it's it's hard. I understand, it's not easy, but

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that was my pitch h at that time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well I'll let you live in the past.

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Speaker 1: I shall Matt Carlito Matt. Let's break down a little

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bit more of this b YU TCU game. How do

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you see this game playing out?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, like I said, I think that, Uh, you know,

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TCU has a really good team coach kicks and teams

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are extremely tough. He's one, like I said, he's one

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of the best coaches in the country at game planning

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and his staff does an amazing job.

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Speaker 3: Uh, They're gonna play.

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Speaker 4: Hard, and I think it'll be you know, I haven't

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dove into BUYU and and got into the numbers and

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what makes them really kick. Just more of a personnel

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standpoint is what I've seen.

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Speaker 3: But like I said, it's.

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Speaker 4: Really hard to win in the Marriott Center. But TCU,

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you know, we can play anyone tough, and I think

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that if b YU, the thing that is going to

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be big for TCU is not letting b YU get

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on those runs because when you get on a run

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in the Marriott Center, it's tough. I mean, they were

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just at Kansas and the same thing happens. So you know,

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for TCU, I think what they need to do is

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just stay consistent and whether those storms. If they can

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do that, they'll have a chance to win. There and

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b Yu. You know, I think it's going to be

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come down to fifty to fifty balls for them. And

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because this TCU team is tough, so if they can

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rebound and win the fifty to fifty battle, I think

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they'll they'll have a good night.

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Speaker 1: I hope we give you a standing go when you're

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announced as one of the analyss here on the play

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by play Matt Carlino. Ladies and gentlemen, say hi to

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him at the Marriage Center when you see him, and

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welcome him back to a place where he made a

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ton of memories for us and produced at a high level. Matt,

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we appreciate you man, Thanks for hopping on, Thanks for

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catching up with us.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you down at Marriott Center tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Thanks, man, really appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, much love to you and your family. That's Matt Carlino.

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