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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to ouch Was That a Ghost? This podcast may

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<v Speaker 1>contain graphic material which some listeners may find disturbing. Listener

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<v Speaker 1>discretion is advised. Is advice?

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<v Speaker 2>Yum me.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that we covered that, here's your host list.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back now to set a Ghost. This week, we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to be going into two of the most vile

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<v Speaker 2>humans to ever walk this earth. A serial killer couple.

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<v Speaker 2>This couple is one of Britain's most infamous couples, not

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<v Speaker 2>for a good reason. This couple is said to have

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<v Speaker 2>sexually assaulted, tortured, murdered numerous young women over decades. Their

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<v Speaker 2>house at twenty five Cromwell Street in Gloucester gained the

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<v Speaker 2>nickname the House of Horrors. It is astounding that two

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<v Speaker 2>people this sick can find each other, but maybe that's

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<v Speaker 2>why they were drawn to each other. On February twenty fifth,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety four, Fred and Rose West were detained as

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<v Speaker 2>authorities were investigating their missing daughter, Heather. Heather was last

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<v Speaker 2>seen in nineteen eighty seven, when she was sixteen, so

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<v Speaker 2>this is seven years later in nineteen ninety four. While

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<v Speaker 2>they were detained, police began searching their home and within

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<v Speaker 2>days police excavated the patio and Heather being the first

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<v Speaker 2>body found on the property. As the days passed, more

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<v Speaker 2>and more bodies were found. So let's get into who

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<v Speaker 2>Fred West was. Frederick Walter Stephen West was born on

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<v Speaker 2>September twenty ninth, nineteen forty one, in much Markell, Herod, Furdshire, England.

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<v Speaker 2>I apologize if I said that wrong to parents Daisy

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<v Speaker 2>and Walter West. Fred's mother, Daisy gave birth to eight

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<v Speaker 2>children in total, with six surviving and Fred being the

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<v Speaker 2>eldest male. His siblings also called him his mother's favorite.

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<v Speaker 2>He was seen as a mom's boy and they were

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<v Speaker 2>said to be too close by some people. Fred's father,

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<v Speaker 2>Walter struggled to provide. He was a farmer and fed

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<v Speaker 2>the family a lot of just what he grew. They

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have much money. Where they lived wasn't big, it

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have electricity, it didn't have plumbing. Fred's father, Walter

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<v Speaker 2>was said to be a disciplinarian, and his mother, Daisy

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<v Speaker 2>was very protective of the kids, especially if Fred, who

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<v Speaker 2>in her eyes, could do no wrong. On the farm,

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<v Speaker 2>the kids were put to work. The girls picked strawberries

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<v Speaker 2>and things like that, and the boys did did more

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<v Speaker 2>of the hunting and gathering. In school, Fred was described

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<v Speaker 2>as dim, scruffy, and would often get in trouble. He

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<v Speaker 2>could barely read or do math, but he did excel

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<v Speaker 2>at art and would work. He didn't really get along

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<v Speaker 2>with the kids at school or even his own siblings.

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<v Speaker 2>When he was fifteen, he left school. He didn't graduate.

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<v Speaker 2>He went to go work with his father and farming,

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<v Speaker 2>and this led to him not really interacting with other

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<v Speaker 2>people besides his family, which seems so Norman Batesy, like

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<v Speaker 2>kids need to learn social skills and practice them. Haven't

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<v Speaker 2>we learned anything from ed Gan. Fred would later in

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<v Speaker 2>life claim that during this time he was being abused

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<v Speaker 2>sexually by his mother, which started when he was twelve,

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<v Speaker 2>and that incesse was just normal to him because his

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<v Speaker 2>father was also abusing his sisters. He also said that

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<v Speaker 2>his father showed Fred how to have sex with animals

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<v Speaker 2>on the farm. This is Fred's version. Other family members

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<v Speaker 2>have disputed this, including his brother, who grew up in

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<v Speaker 2>the same house. Fred in his teen years, got a motorcycle,

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<v Speaker 2>and on November twenty eighth, nineteen fifty eight, he was

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<v Speaker 2>driving home when he hit a young girl who was

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<v Speaker 2>on a bike. A local heard the crash and ran

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<v Speaker 2>to help, and Fred was brought to the hospital and

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<v Speaker 2>was unconscious for days. After a week, Fred came too

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<v Speaker 2>he was able to move speak. He did break multiple bones,

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<v Speaker 2>including a skull fracture, which red flag ured of true crime.

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<v Speaker 2>Head injuries is a pretty common theme, and after Fred

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<v Speaker 2>was well enough, he left the hospital and went back home.

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<v Speaker 2>But after that head injury, it seemed like Fred's demeanor changed.

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<v Speaker 2>He was more aggressive, noticeable shift in his demeanor. In

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixty, Fred met sixteen year old Catherine or Rena Costello,

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<v Speaker 2>who was from Scotland. She was staying with some family.

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<v Speaker 2>Fred and Rena started dating and quickly Fred was Fred's

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<v Speaker 2>initial introduction of himself changed. He became forceful in controlling.

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<v Speaker 2>He even had Rena tattoo his name on her arm.

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<v Speaker 2>Rena was eventually kicked out of her family's home and

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<v Speaker 2>she had nowhere to se so she went back to Scotland.

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<v Speaker 2>Also in nineteen sixty there was an incident where Fred

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<v Speaker 2>went off a balcony and hit his head on the

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<v Speaker 2>cement below, again losing consciousness and then again. After this

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<v Speaker 2>head injury, his family noticed another change, larger change in

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<v Speaker 2>his personality being very short tempered. Fred started getting in

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<v Speaker 2>trouble with the law, petty theft and some larger charges.

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<v Speaker 2>His thirteen year old sister became pregnant and she claimed

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<v Speaker 2>that Fred was the father. Fred was arrested and he

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<v Speaker 2>was bailed out and he went to stay with his

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<v Speaker 2>aunt while he was waiting for the trial. His sister,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, at some point changed her mind on testifying,

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<v Speaker 2>so the charges were dropped against Fred, and then Fred's

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<v Speaker 2>parents just let Fred come home. Rina came back from

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<v Speaker 2>Scotland and Fred and her picked things up right where

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<v Speaker 2>they left off, but she came back pregnant and the

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<v Speaker 2>baby was not Fred's. The baby's father was Asian, and

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<v Speaker 2>Fred at one point brought Rena into the woods and

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<v Speaker 2>forcefully tried to abort the child. People in the area

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<v Speaker 2>heard her screaming and they went out and stopped this,

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<v Speaker 2>but Fred again had no consequences. Fred and Rena went

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<v Speaker 2>on to get married. They got a place together, and

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<v Speaker 2>Fred started forcing Rena to have violent sex. When he wanted,

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<v Speaker 2>he would physically abuse her. He also forced Rena to

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<v Speaker 2>perform sex work to support the family. Rena went on

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<v Speaker 2>to have the daughter that Fred had tried to abort Charmaine.

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<v Speaker 2>She was half Asian, and Fred, because he's a racist loser,

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<v Speaker 2>told the story that Rena had miscarried and this baby

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<v Speaker 2>was adopted. Fred right away had this disdain towards baby Charmain.

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<v Speaker 2>Fred and Rena did go on to have a daughter

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<v Speaker 2>together named Anne Marie, who Fred doated on while he

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<v Speaker 2>neglected Charmain. They ended up moving into a bigger apartment.

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<v Speaker 2>At this apartment, each tenant had a gardening plot out

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<v Speaker 2>in the backyard where they could grow different things. And

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<v Speaker 2>you would think he would because his father was a gardener.

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<v Speaker 2>People would grow plants, whatever, but Fred just kept his

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<v Speaker 2>patch just dirt. And this was when Fred got an

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<v Speaker 2>ice cream truck and he would go around and sell

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<v Speaker 2>his ice cream, and he would also try to talk

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<v Speaker 2>to young girls. It's a theory that some of these

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<v Speaker 2>young women might have gone missing and might have ended

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<v Speaker 2>up in his garden plot, but it was never proven. Also, Fred,

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<v Speaker 2>while he was in his ice cream truck, he hit

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<v Speaker 2>a young boy and he left him to die. He

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<v Speaker 2>was brought in by law enforcement, and again Fred faced

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<v Speaker 2>no consequences. Fred, who previously was sneaking around on Rena,

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<v Speaker 2>now he was just doing it right in her face.

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<v Speaker 2>He brought a nanny home and then through this nanny,

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<v Speaker 2>Fred met Anna McFall, who started coming around the West

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<v Speaker 2>House and the two started a relationship. They started like

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<v Speaker 2>messing around, so then Fred just took the girls and

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<v Speaker 2>moved closer to his family at a caravan park. He

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<v Speaker 2>just like up and left Rena, so Rena, wanting to

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<v Speaker 2>be near her children, she followed them. So now it

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<v Speaker 2>was the nanny, Anna, Fred and Rena and the two

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<v Speaker 2>girls all living together. Rena tried to get everybody to

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<v Speaker 2>move to Scotland with her, but Fred found out about

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<v Speaker 2>this and he wouldn't let Rina go with the girls,

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<v Speaker 2>so I guess everybody ended up leaving except for Anna.

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<v Speaker 2>Anna stayed with Fred, and then after all this, Fred

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<v Speaker 2>just gave the kids to social services. Rena found out

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<v Speaker 2>that the kids were in social services, so she went

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<v Speaker 2>and found the kids and reunited with them. And then

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<v Speaker 2>Anna and Fred separated somehow, and then Rena and Fred

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<v Speaker 2>seemed to pick right back up again, and I guess

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<v Speaker 2>Anna found out she was pregnant with Fred's child. Then

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen year old Anna McFall went missing. She was never

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<v Speaker 2>seen alive again. She's Fred's first known victim, disappearing in

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<v Speaker 2>May of nineteen sixty seven, a reminder that she was

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<v Speaker 2>pregnant with his child. Fred later told police the general

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<v Speaker 2>area where she and her unborn child's remained were found

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<v Speaker 2>buried at Kempley Field, which was near much Markele, where

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<v Speaker 2>Fred lived. It would take years for animc fall and

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<v Speaker 2>her unborn child to be exhumed, and when she was

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<v Speaker 2>found there were tarsal and meta tarsal bones missing. She

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<v Speaker 2>was found with ropes, indicating that she was restrained before

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<v Speaker 2>she was buried, which seems to be a common thing

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<v Speaker 2>with him. He does have restraints in a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>his murders. So Fred, Rena, and the two girls moved

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<v Speaker 2>back in together. Rena, who was from Scotland, she would

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<v Speaker 2>often go and visit her family and leave the girl

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<v Speaker 2>with Fred and Fred would just like drop the kids

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<v Speaker 2>off in and out of foster care as needed. He

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<v Speaker 2>had many different jobs. He's a septic truck driver, a

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<v Speaker 2>bakery delivery driver, he worked in construction. So now we're

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen sixty nine, Fred, who's now twenty seven, is

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<v Speaker 2>living with his wife, Rita and their children. During this time,

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<v Speaker 2>Fred met fifteen year old Rosemary. They met at a

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<v Speaker 2>bus station. Rose A Rosemary was born on November twenty ninth,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen fifty three, in North Devon, England, to parents Bill

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<v Speaker 2>and Daisy. Rose was the fifth of seven children. Daisy

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<v Speaker 2>struggled with depression Rose's mother, and during Daisy's pregnancy with Rose,

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<v Speaker 2>she was given electro convulsive therapy, and some say that

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<v Speaker 2>this may have affected the baby, causing some sort of

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<v Speaker 2>prenatal injuries. Rose's siblings described her as dense. She never

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<v Speaker 2>really got any positive attention from her parents or siblings,

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<v Speaker 2>and she liked Fred. Did not do well in school.

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<v Speaker 2>When Rose's parents separated, she stayed with her mother for

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<v Speaker 2>a bit, and then she went to stay with her father,

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<v Speaker 2>who suffered from paranoid schizophrenia. He was very violent and

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<v Speaker 2>he was said to have sexually abused a few of

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<v Speaker 2>his daughters, including Rose. Rose was said to have been

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<v Speaker 2>molested by her youngest brother, Gordon as well when she

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<v Speaker 2>was thirteen and he was nine. So back at the

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<v Speaker 2>bus stop when Fred and Rose met, She's fifteen, Fred's

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<v Speaker 2>twenty seven. Fred spotted Rose sitting at the bus stop

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<v Speaker 2>while he was driving his bakery truck and the creep

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<v Speaker 2>went and sat down next to her. This guy, he

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<v Speaker 2>looks like a troll with green teeth, so he's sitting

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<v Speaker 2>down next to her, and she was kind of repulsed

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<v Speaker 2>by his appearance. And Fred kept showing up at the

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<v Speaker 2>bus stop sitting next to her. This being attention that

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<v Speaker 2>Rose is not used to because her whole life she's

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<v Speaker 2>been told she's like nothing. She didn't get it any

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<v Speaker 2>attention affection. At home, Fred asked her out multiple times

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<v Speaker 2>and eventually she said yes. After they went out this

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<v Speaker 2>first time, the two spent a lot of time together.

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<v Speaker 2>They did have very similar upbringings. There's probably not that

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<v Speaker 2>many people that have that similar of backgrounds. Rose started

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<v Speaker 2>visiting Fred at his recreational vehicle park where he lived

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<v Speaker 2>with his wife and his two children. Rose knew about

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<v Speaker 2>Rina and that Fred was married, but Fred told Rose

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<v Speaker 2>that Reno walked out on him. In reality, it was

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<v Speaker 2>just she would go over when Reno was off visiting

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<v Speaker 2>relatives and Rose would end up watching the girls quite

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<v Speaker 2>a bit. Within weeks, Rose ended up quitting her job

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<v Speaker 2>was going to pay her so Rose's parents wouldn't know

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<v Speaker 2>that she quit her job and she was just spending

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<v Speaker 2>her days at this adult man's house as a child.

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<v Speaker 2>After a few months, Rose brought Fred home. Her family

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<v Speaker 2>was like no. Rose's mother saw Fred as arrogant and

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<v Speaker 2>about the age difference, like he's twenty seven years old

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<v Speaker 2>and she's only fifteen, and that Rose had started doing

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<v Speaker 2>for serving He was serving like a month for unpaid

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<v Speaker 2>fines or petty theft, something like that, but once he

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<v Speaker 2>of jail, Fred went and picked up his daughters from

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<v Speaker 2>Social Services, and Rose's parents still tried to keep Fred

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<v Speaker 2>and Rose apart. This now nineteen seventy and this was

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<v Speaker 2>weeks she finally agreed that she would terminate the pregnancy,

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<v Speaker 2>instead Rose snuck away to live with Fred and she

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<v Speaker 2>Fred and Rose moved into a two story house. While

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<v Speaker 2>they were living there, Rose gave birth to a daughter,

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<v Speaker 2>heatherin Some do suggest that the baby may have been

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<v Speaker 2>Rose's and her father's, not Roses and Fred's, but that's

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<v Speaker 2>just speculation. Charmagne's mother, Rena, would reach out and check

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<v Speaker 2>and she was getting worried, and sometime in nineteen seventy one,

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<v Speaker 2>she went to go see Fred's family to get his

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<v Speaker 2>new address, and then she went to Fred's once she

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<v Speaker 2>get custody visits know that they're okay something. So she

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<v Speaker 2>went to Fred's house and Rena was never seen alive again.

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<v Speaker 2>It's thought that Fred somehow got Rena intoxicated drug drunk

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<v Speaker 2>something got her into his car and strangled her, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>by promising her to see the girls. Rena was later

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<v Speaker 2>found dismembered and her body parts placed in bags and

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<v Speaker 2>buried at Letterbox Field. Rena being Fred West's second known victim.

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<v Speaker 2>She was missing some finger and toebones, which again seems

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<v Speaker 2>to be a common thing in the murders. Bones missing

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<v Speaker 2>and bondage of some sort. Within a few months, Fred

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<v Speaker 2>He would serve six and a half months, and during

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<v Speaker 2>this time, seventeen year old Rose cared for the three

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<v Speaker 2>girls because remember he had the two from Rena and

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<v Speaker 2>then the one that Rose had, now, so now three children.

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<v Speaker 2>Rose made Charmain and Anne Marie call her mother. Later

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<v Speaker 2>in life, Anne Marie talks about how Rose was physically

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<v Speaker 2>and emotionally abusive to the girls, and while Anne Marie

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<v Speaker 2>was more submissive to Rose, Charmain had a very strong will.

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<v Speaker 2>Rose would beat Charmain and Charmain wouldn't shed a tear,

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<v Speaker 2>and by her not being able to break Charmain, this

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<v Speaker 2>got Rose even angrier. Charmain would tell Anne Marie quote,

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<v Speaker 2>my real Mummy wouldn't swear or shout at us, and

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<v Speaker 2>that Mummy will come and save me. That's heartbreaking. One

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<v Speaker 2>of Charmain's friends recalls walking in the West House without

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<v Speaker 2>knocking and finding Charmain in the middle of the room

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<v Speaker 2>standing on a chair, naked, gagged with her hands tied

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<v Speaker 2>behind her back, and Rose next to her with a

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<v Speaker 2>wooden spoon, and that during all this Charmain was quote

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<v Speaker 2>calm and unconcerned. Charmain was treated at the hospital for

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<v Speaker 2>puncture wounds to her left ankle, and Rose was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>that was just a household accident. Rose and the three

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<v Speaker 2>girls went to visit Fred, who was still in jail

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<v Speaker 2>on June fifteenth, nineteen seventy one. Once Rose learned that

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<v Speaker 2>Fred was to be paroled within days, Charmain just disappeared.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the third known victim of these vile humans well.

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<v Speaker 2>Rose specifically is said to be responsible for the murder

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<v Speaker 2>of eight year old Charmain because Fred was locked up

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<v Speaker 2>at the time. When Anne Marie asked where Charmain was,

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<v Speaker 2>Rose told her that she went to go live with

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<v Speaker 2>her mother Rina. When they eventually do find Charmain years later,

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<v Speaker 2>they can tell that she was killed while Fred was

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<v Speaker 2>still incarcerated due to forensic audentology forensic testing. Rose told

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<v Speaker 2>the school the same thing that Charmeain went to go

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<v Speaker 2>live with her mother. Once Fred was paroled. On June

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<v Speaker 2>twenty fourth, nineteen seventy one, Rose brought Fred to Charmain's

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<v Speaker 2>eight year old body eight year old deceased body that

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<v Speaker 2>was in the coal cellar. Rose had Fred bury eight

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<v Speaker 2>year old Charmain in their backyard eight years old. Fred

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<v Speaker 2>would later say that he had not dismembered her, like

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, like that was something to give him

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<v Speaker 2>a pat on the back or something. But when Charmaine

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<v Speaker 2>was eventually zoomed, she was missing some bones like her

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<v Speaker 2>knee caps, and some bones were missing from her hands

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<v Speaker 2>and feet. Fred and Rose later got married on January

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<v Speaker 2>twenty ninth, nineteen seventy two, even though he was technically

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<v Speaker 2>still married to Rena. Within months, Rose got pregnant again

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<v Speaker 2>and they moved to twenty five Cromwell Street, this being

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<v Speaker 2>a three story property. Fred initially rented the property, then

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<v Speaker 2>he purchased it and he rented out some of the

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<v Speaker 2>extra rooms upstairs for extra income people that rented from him.

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<v Speaker 2>They couldn't go in the first floor where he lived,

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<v Speaker 2>and the garden in the back was only to be

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<v Speaker 2>used by him. That year, the West had another daughter

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<v Speaker 2>and Rose started doing sex work. She would use magazines

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<v Speaker 2>to get clients and work I guess upstairs in one

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<v Speaker 2>of the rooms, in what they called the Mandy room.

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<v Speaker 2>That was her alias well with John's. She wasn't Rose,

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<v Speaker 2>she was Mandy. That's where she would meet up with

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<v Speaker 2>her johns. Rose held the only key to the room

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<v Speaker 2>around her neck, and the room had peep holes for

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<v Speaker 2>Fred to watch her, and he would also use baby

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<v Speaker 2>monitors to listen in. She was having these extramarital relations

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<v Speaker 2>with non paying people as well, men and women that

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<v Speaker 2>rented from the West. Sometimes she would just go into

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<v Speaker 2>the border's beds and sometimes Fred would bring someone home,

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<v Speaker 2>or sometimes they would go out together and pick people

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<v Speaker 2>up to bring home for the both of them. On

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<v Speaker 2>many occasions with Fred as well. The West used a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of bondage and pain, which no issues with that

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<v Speaker 2>if it's consensual, but I don't think it was all

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<v Speaker 2>consensual with this couple. They were very sadistic. Also, surprisingly,

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<v Speaker 2>Rose's father ended up accepting her marriage and her father

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<v Speaker 2>and Fred actually went into business, but their business didn't

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<v Speaker 2>last very long it went under. Rose went on to

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<v Speaker 2>birth eight children in total, at least three of them

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<v Speaker 2>were not from Fred. The children were treated more like

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<v Speaker 2>workhorses than children. From seven years old on. They had

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<v Speaker 2>a list of chores, which nothing wrong with chores for kids,

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<v Speaker 2>but they were barely allowed out of the house to play,

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<v Speaker 2>and if they were allowed, the west would be watched

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<v Speaker 2>them and if they broke any house rules, they'd be

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<v Speaker 2>severely punished. Rose was said to be the harsher of

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<v Speaker 2>the two parents, which anything could set her off, and

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes she would just torture the children just because, but

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<v Speaker 2>she made sure not to leave bruises on the children's faces,

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<v Speaker 2>or their hands or any visible part of the body.

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<v Speaker 2>While the children were out of the house. Some of

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<v Speaker 2>the children did try to run away and they were

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<v Speaker 2>beaten severely upon returning home. To put this in perspective,

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<v Speaker 2>from nineteen seventy two to nineteen ninety two, the children

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<v Speaker 2>were admitted to the hospital for quote unquote accidents thirty

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<v Speaker 2>one times, yet none of these prompted child services to

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<v Speaker 2>get involved. Stephen, one of the children was mopping the

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<v Speaker 2>floor one day and Rose stepped in some water that

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<v Speaker 2>was in a bowl that he was using to mop

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<v Speaker 2>the floor, and Rose took the bowl, hit him with

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<v Speaker 2>it and kicked him in the head and chest and

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<v Speaker 2>started screaming, you did that on purpose, you little swine.

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<v Speaker 2>Another time, Rose couldn't find something in the kitchen, like

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<v Speaker 2>a ladle or something, and Rose just grabbed a knife

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<v Speaker 2>and started puncturing her daughter May June's chest, covering her

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<v Speaker 2>rib cage with punctures. On another time, Rose chased Fred

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<v Speaker 2>with a knife, and after she stabbed into a door

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<v Speaker 2>that he slammed in her face, her fingers slid down

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<v Speaker 2>the blade, almost taking off three of her fingers, and

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<v Speaker 2>her response was quote, look what you've done, fella. You've

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<v Speaker 2>got to take me to the hospital now. The abuse

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't only just physical, it was also sexual. Those poor children, ugh.

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<v Speaker 2>In nineteen seventy two, eight year old eight year old

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<v Speaker 2>Anne Marie was brought into the basement by Fred and

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<v Speaker 2>Rose and was sexually assaulted. I'm not getting into detail.

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<v Speaker 2>It makes me sick to my stomach that both of

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<v Speaker 2>these vile humans could take advantage of an innocent eight

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<v Speaker 2>year old, but both participated in the attack. Rose warned

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<v Speaker 2>her not to tell anyone or she would be beaten.

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<v Speaker 2>The abuse continued, and when Anne Marie was thirteen, she

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<v Speaker 2>was actually forced into sex work by her parents and

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<v Speaker 2>she was told to say she was sixteen. This thirteen

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<v Speaker 2>year old girl. Towards the end of nineteen seventy two,

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<v Speaker 2>the West were out one night while driving around and

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<v Speaker 2>they picked up a seventeen year old hitchhiker, Carolyn Owens.

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<v Speaker 2>She just left her boyfriends and she was trying to

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<v Speaker 2>get home. They got to talking and Carolyn told the

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<v Speaker 2>West how she couldn't stand her stepfather and how she

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<v Speaker 2>was looking for a job. The West were like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>we're looking for a part time nanny. Caroline Owens ended

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<v Speaker 2>up moving into twenty five Cromwell Street and sharing her

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<v Speaker 2>room with Anne Marie, and then eventually, of course, Caroline

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<v Speaker 2>was creeped out when Fred and Rose hit on her.

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<v Speaker 2>She was like, ah, no, thank you, I'm going home.

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<v Speaker 2>So she left headed home, and the West knew that

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<v Speaker 2>most likely she'd be hitchhiking, so they just i to

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<v Speaker 2>go after her, and the Wess apologized and they offered

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<v Speaker 2>to drive her home and they managed to somehow calm

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<v Speaker 2>her down enough to lower her guard and she got

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<v Speaker 2>into the car, and when she did, Rose got into

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<v Speaker 2>the back seat. As Fred drove and Rose began grabbing

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<v Speaker 2>it Caroline, who resisted. Fred pulled over. They knocked Caroline unconscious,

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<v Speaker 2>gagged her with a scarf and duct tape, and she

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<v Speaker 2>was brought back to twenty five Cromwell Street, drugged and

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<v Speaker 2>sexually assaulted by both of the West while they held

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<v Speaker 2>a pillow over her face to muffle the screams. Fred

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<v Speaker 2>threatened Caroline that he had killed hundreds of young girls

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<v Speaker 2>and that she was brought back to the house for

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<v Speaker 2>Rose's pleasure, and then they were like, hey, do you

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<v Speaker 2>want to come work for us? Caroline, who was like

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<v Speaker 2>what the fuck? She saw this as a way out,

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<v Speaker 2>like sure, yeah, and then she got to vacuuming. Later

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<v Speaker 2>in the day, Caroline and Rose went to the laundrymat

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<v Speaker 2>and she saw this as her opportunity and she ran

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<v Speaker 2>for it. She made it home and after her mother

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<v Speaker 2>saw all the bruises and welts all over her daughter,

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<v Speaker 2>Caroline confided in her mother about what just happened. Her

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<v Speaker 2>mother reported it right away, and the West were arrested

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<v Speaker 2>for assault in decent assault actual bodily harm and rape.

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<v Speaker 2>The case went to the Gloucester Magistrates Court. In the

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<v Speaker 2>trial date came January twelfth, nineteen seventy three. Caroline, I'm sure,

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<v Speaker 2>still beyond traumatized, couldn't bring herself to testify, so the

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<v Speaker 2>West charges were dropped down to indecent assault and causing

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<v Speaker 2>actual bodily harm. Fred and Rose each had to pay

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<v Speaker 2>fifty pounds. That's it, no jail time. Carolyn later talks

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<v Speaker 2>about how she feels guilty for not testifying, but I

417
00:24:41.480 --> 00:24:47.640
<v Speaker 2>mean the West were just horrible, horrible humans. We're just

418
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<v Speaker 2>going to talk about the confirmed victims, but it is

419
00:24:50.599 --> 00:24:54.279
<v Speaker 2>thought that they do have many more. In nineteen seventy three,

420
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<v Speaker 2>nineteen year old Linda Gough was from Gloucester and was

421
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<v Speaker 2>renting a room at twenty five Cromwells Tree. When Linda's

422
00:25:01.279 --> 00:25:03.720
<v Speaker 2>mother hadn't heard from her daughter, she got worried and

423
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<v Speaker 2>ended up going to twenty five Cromwell Street, like where's

424
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<v Speaker 2>my daughter? There she found Rose West wearing her daughter's

425
00:25:10.400 --> 00:25:14.240
<v Speaker 2>clothes and slippers. Rose told Linda's mother that Linda had

426
00:25:14.319 --> 00:25:18.000
<v Speaker 2>moved out and went to Weston super Mayor to find work.

427
00:25:18.599 --> 00:25:21.279
<v Speaker 2>Linda's remains would later be found under the garage that

428
00:25:21.359 --> 00:25:24.440
<v Speaker 2>was converted into a bathroom on the West property. Also

429
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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen seventy three, fifteen year old Caroline Cooper who

430
00:25:28.759 --> 00:25:30.920
<v Speaker 2>had lost her mother and she was in foster care.

431
00:25:31.079 --> 00:25:33.640
<v Speaker 2>She was staying at the Pine Children's Home, but she

432
00:25:33.759 --> 00:25:37.200
<v Speaker 2>got permission that weekend to go visit her grandmother, and

433
00:25:37.359 --> 00:25:39.680
<v Speaker 2>that was pretty much the last time she was seen,

434
00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:43.279
<v Speaker 2>was waiting to take the bus to her grandmother's house.

435
00:25:43.680 --> 00:25:46.440
<v Speaker 2>Caroline Cooper's remains would later be found in the basement

436
00:25:46.480 --> 00:25:48.920
<v Speaker 2>of the West Home, with binding still present and some

437
00:25:49.039 --> 00:25:52.920
<v Speaker 2>limbs dismembered. Also in that year, twenty one year old

438
00:25:53.000 --> 00:25:56.720
<v Speaker 2>Lucy Partington was a student at Exeter University and she

439
00:25:56.799 --> 00:25:59.920
<v Speaker 2>was taken from a bus stop. Fred also dismembered her,

440
00:26:00.079 --> 00:26:03.519
<v Speaker 2>and he cut himself badly enough while doing this that

441
00:26:03.599 --> 00:26:06.119
<v Speaker 2>he went to the hospital himself to get his hand treated.

442
00:26:06.559 --> 00:26:09.440
<v Speaker 2>Lucy's mother reported her missing and her body was later

443
00:26:09.480 --> 00:26:12.200
<v Speaker 2>found in the cellar of twenty five Cromwell Street. In

444
00:26:12.279 --> 00:26:16.839
<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy four, twenty one year old teres Singathaylor was

445
00:26:16.880 --> 00:26:20.680
<v Speaker 2>a sociology student at Greenwich Community College in London, and

446
00:26:20.720 --> 00:26:23.680
<v Speaker 2>it thought that she went to England to continue schooling

447
00:26:23.720 --> 00:26:27.119
<v Speaker 2>for secretarial studies. She was hitchhiking when one of the

448
00:26:27.160 --> 00:26:30.559
<v Speaker 2>Wests subducted her. Her remains were later found under the

449
00:26:30.599 --> 00:26:33.880
<v Speaker 2>cellar of twenty five Cromwell Street. Fifteen year old Shirley

450
00:26:33.920 --> 00:26:36.640
<v Speaker 2>Hubbard was taken into foster care at the age of

451
00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:40.039
<v Speaker 2>two when her parents separated. She's, at fifteen years old,

452
00:26:40.079 --> 00:26:42.200
<v Speaker 2>was still a foster child. She was at a bus

453
00:26:42.200 --> 00:26:44.279
<v Speaker 2>stop by her high school on her way home from

454
00:26:44.279 --> 00:26:47.880
<v Speaker 2>work and then she disappeared. She was reported missing and

455
00:26:47.960 --> 00:26:52.240
<v Speaker 2>later found dismembered under the cellar at twenty five Cromwell Street.

456
00:26:52.279 --> 00:26:55.720
<v Speaker 2>Her head had been wrapped in tape with tubes inserted

457
00:26:55.720 --> 00:26:58.920
<v Speaker 2>in her nose, allowing her to breathe. Fifteen years old.

458
00:26:59.400 --> 00:27:04.079
<v Speaker 2>This couple, there's not even words for them. In nineteen

459
00:27:04.160 --> 00:27:08.640
<v Speaker 2>seventy five, eighteen year old Juanita Moss had previously stayed

460
00:27:08.640 --> 00:27:10.880
<v Speaker 2>at twenty five Crowmwell Street, but she was living somewhere

461
00:27:10.920 --> 00:27:13.799
<v Speaker 2>else at the time. She's believed to have been abducted

462
00:27:13.799 --> 00:27:16.480
<v Speaker 2>by the West while she was hitchhiking. This was the

463
00:27:16.559 --> 00:27:19.119
<v Speaker 2>day before our friend's wedding and when she didn't show up,

464
00:27:19.279 --> 00:27:22.240
<v Speaker 2>that was like where is she? So she was reported

465
00:27:22.319 --> 00:27:25.160
<v Speaker 2>missing to the media and the Missing Person's Bureau. Her

466
00:27:25.160 --> 00:27:28.359
<v Speaker 2>body was later found under the cellar at twenty five

467
00:27:28.359 --> 00:27:31.880
<v Speaker 2>Crownwell Street. In nineteen seventy eight, eighteen year old Shirley

468
00:27:31.839 --> 00:27:34.960
<v Speaker 2>Anne Robinson, who also used to stay at twenty five

469
00:27:35.000 --> 00:27:38.799
<v Speaker 2>Crowmwell Street. She, like Rose, was bisexual. She would hook

470
00:27:38.880 --> 00:27:42.079
<v Speaker 2>up with Fred and Rose, and she was actually pregnant

471
00:27:42.160 --> 00:27:45.559
<v Speaker 2>with Fred's child. She was around eight months pregnant and

472
00:27:46.119 --> 00:27:48.960
<v Speaker 2>Fred originally I guess he had plans to sell the baby,

473
00:27:49.000 --> 00:27:52.000
<v Speaker 2>but something must have changed because the West ended up

474
00:27:52.039 --> 00:27:56.839
<v Speaker 2>murdering eighteen year old pregnant Shirley Robinson and her unborn

475
00:27:56.880 --> 00:28:00.680
<v Speaker 2>baby and buried them in their garden. Ineteen seventy nine,

476
00:28:01.319 --> 00:28:04.039
<v Speaker 2>sixteen year old Alison Chambers, who had been in foster

477
00:28:04.119 --> 00:28:08.000
<v Speaker 2>care since fourteen, had run away many times, and during

478
00:28:08.000 --> 00:28:10.000
<v Speaker 2>one of these times she ran away, she met the West.

479
00:28:10.720 --> 00:28:14.640
<v Speaker 2>Alice In. Chambers' body was found under the West garden, dismembered,

480
00:28:14.759 --> 00:28:17.680
<v Speaker 2>missing bones, with a leather belt still wrapped around the

481
00:28:17.720 --> 00:28:19.839
<v Speaker 2>bottom of her jaw to the top of her head,

482
00:28:20.279 --> 00:28:24.319
<v Speaker 2>and then nineteen eighty seven, This nine years later. I

483
00:28:24.359 --> 00:28:26.640
<v Speaker 2>find it hard to believe that there were not more

484
00:28:26.720 --> 00:28:29.519
<v Speaker 2>murders during this time period, as it is super out

485
00:28:29.559 --> 00:28:32.039
<v Speaker 2>of character for serial killers to just stop and then

486
00:28:32.079 --> 00:28:35.799
<v Speaker 2>start again nine years later, So nineteen eighty seven, sixteen

487
00:28:35.880 --> 00:28:39.079
<v Speaker 2>year old Heather West, their own daughter, who had been

488
00:28:39.079 --> 00:28:42.799
<v Speaker 2>telling classmates about the abuse she, her siblings and others

489
00:28:42.880 --> 00:28:46.759
<v Speaker 2>were suffering at twenty five Cromwell Street. This is suspected

490
00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:50.839
<v Speaker 2>to be the reason they murdered her. When Heather's body

491
00:28:50.880 --> 00:28:53.960
<v Speaker 2>was found, it appeared she had been sexually assaulted prior.

492
00:28:54.759 --> 00:28:58.240
<v Speaker 2>Her body was dismembered with a serrated kitchen knife and

493
00:28:58.319 --> 00:29:02.319
<v Speaker 2>buried in the garden. And this whole Fred tricked his

494
00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:04.720
<v Speaker 2>son into digging by lying and saying it was for

495
00:29:04.799 --> 00:29:09.960
<v Speaker 2>something else. Oh, these poor kids. In May nineteen ninety two,

496
00:29:10.240 --> 00:29:12.920
<v Speaker 2>Gloucester UK Lauren Forceman got a tip that Fred was

497
00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:16.039
<v Speaker 2>sexually assaulting his thirteen year old daughter Louise, and that

498
00:29:16.160 --> 00:29:19.519
<v Speaker 2>Rose was also physically abusing the children. This is all

499
00:29:19.559 --> 00:29:22.799
<v Speaker 2>circling back to the beginning, and on August sixth, nineteen

500
00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:25.759
<v Speaker 2>ninety two, Fred was placed under arrest for sexually assaulting

501
00:29:25.759 --> 00:29:28.519
<v Speaker 2>his thirteen year old daughter. Rose was also placed under

502
00:29:28.599 --> 00:29:31.880
<v Speaker 2>arrest for child cruelty. But when their daughter, the victim

503
00:29:31.880 --> 00:29:34.519
<v Speaker 2>did not want to testify. Those charges fell apart. The

504
00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:37.599
<v Speaker 2>children were all placed into foster care, and this brought

505
00:29:37.599 --> 00:29:39.960
<v Speaker 2>to light that no one had seen Heather since nineteen

506
00:29:40.000 --> 00:29:42.559
<v Speaker 2>eighty seven. This was five years of not seeing her.

507
00:29:42.799 --> 00:29:45.039
<v Speaker 2>Fred and Rose told people that Heather got a job

508
00:29:45.079 --> 00:29:48.559
<v Speaker 2>and moved away, and sometimes Rose would pretend to get

509
00:29:48.599 --> 00:29:51.440
<v Speaker 2>calls like, oh, it's Heather calling. But on the other hand,

510
00:29:51.480 --> 00:29:53.920
<v Speaker 2>if kids were acting up, Fred would say, if you

511
00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:56.160
<v Speaker 2>don't behave you'll end up under the patio like Heather.

512
00:29:56.680 --> 00:30:00.000
<v Speaker 2>In February of nineteen ninety four, police got a Wong

513
00:30:00.039 --> 00:30:02.799
<v Speaker 2>aren't to search the garden of twenty five Cromwell Street.

514
00:30:03.079 --> 00:30:06.759
<v Speaker 2>Fred and Rose were arrested again on suspicion of murdering

515
00:30:06.759 --> 00:30:09.920
<v Speaker 2>their own daughter, and during that police search of the garden,

516
00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:13.839
<v Speaker 2>authorities found human remains the body of Heather. This poor

517
00:30:13.880 --> 00:30:18.240
<v Speaker 2>young girl that was born into this family of animal parents.

518
00:30:18.759 --> 00:30:21.119
<v Speaker 2>She was abused her whole life and then murdered in

519
00:30:21.240 --> 00:30:23.880
<v Speaker 2>June of nineteen eighty seven, this being the last known

520
00:30:23.960 --> 00:30:27.240
<v Speaker 2>murder by the West of their own daughter. It was

521
00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:30.200
<v Speaker 2>speculated she was murdered because she was telling others like

522
00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:33.440
<v Speaker 2>friends at school, about the abuse. Within days, they found

523
00:30:33.440 --> 00:30:37.599
<v Speaker 2>the remains of Shirley Robinson, Allison Chambers, and days passed

524
00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:41.759
<v Speaker 2>and they continued excavating. They used ground penetrating radar and

525
00:30:41.839 --> 00:30:45.079
<v Speaker 2>in total they recovered the remains of nine females at

526
00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:48.240
<v Speaker 2>twenty five Cromwell Street. Rose tried to say it was

527
00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:51.079
<v Speaker 2>all Fred, and she even tried to stop his behavior.

528
00:30:51.319 --> 00:30:54.319
<v Speaker 2>Was Rose tried to play it off like, oh, I

529
00:30:54.359 --> 00:30:57.400
<v Speaker 2>didn't know what was going on. Fred, who was charged

530
00:30:57.440 --> 00:31:00.799
<v Speaker 2>with two murders before Rose, told his social worker that

531
00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:03.559
<v Speaker 2>Rose was the one that killed Shirley Robinson and she

532
00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:05.599
<v Speaker 2>helped cut up the body and she was the one

533
00:31:05.640 --> 00:31:08.839
<v Speaker 2>that took Shirley Robinson's feet as from her womb. Before

534
00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:12.559
<v Speaker 2>the trial even started, Fred was being held at HM Prison,

535
00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:15.839
<v Speaker 2>Birmingham and he took his own life by hanging on

536
00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:20.079
<v Speaker 2>January first, nineteen ninety five. Before Fred killed himself, he

537
00:31:20.160 --> 00:31:23.039
<v Speaker 2>spoke to police for hours, I mean hours. Police have

538
00:31:23.119 --> 00:31:25.720
<v Speaker 2>over one hundred and eight hours of interviews. And during

539
00:31:25.759 --> 00:31:28.559
<v Speaker 2>these interviews, Fred would drop hints as there being more

540
00:31:28.640 --> 00:31:31.880
<v Speaker 2>victims and he would say that they are quote unquote

541
00:31:31.920 --> 00:31:35.160
<v Speaker 2>spread around, and he told authorities that he would reveal

542
00:31:35.240 --> 00:31:38.920
<v Speaker 2>one victim a year, which never happened because he killed himself.

543
00:31:39.559 --> 00:31:42.519
<v Speaker 2>Fred was cremated, a few of his children attended his

544
00:31:42.640 --> 00:31:46.039
<v Speaker 2>five minute funeral and Rose, even with her trying to

545
00:31:46.039 --> 00:31:48.440
<v Speaker 2>play the ignorant wife, there was enough to try her

546
00:31:48.519 --> 00:31:51.599
<v Speaker 2>for ten murders, which included Charmain and the nine young

547
00:31:51.640 --> 00:31:54.880
<v Speaker 2>women that were buried at Cromwell Street. During the trial,

548
00:31:54.960 --> 00:31:58.079
<v Speaker 2>the prosecutor, Brian Levinson did a great job showing how

549
00:31:58.079 --> 00:32:01.480
<v Speaker 2>the sadistic couple sexually assaultlted and murdered all these people,

550
00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:04.319
<v Speaker 2>and he clearly showed how Fred was in jail when

551
00:32:04.359 --> 00:32:07.680
<v Speaker 2>Charmaine was murdered. This showed that Rose wasn't as hands

552
00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:11.079
<v Speaker 2>off as she tried to paint herself. She was just

553
00:32:11.160 --> 00:32:14.720
<v Speaker 2>as sadistic and sexually motivated as Fred, and how after

554
00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:17.920
<v Speaker 2>what of their victims lived, the couple learned to evolve

555
00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:20.799
<v Speaker 2>to not make that stake again. They had Rose's family

556
00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:25.279
<v Speaker 2>previous borders of twenty five Cromwell Street come testify the

557
00:32:25.359 --> 00:32:29.960
<v Speaker 2>surviving victims. One of the surviving victims, who used an alias,

558
00:32:29.960 --> 00:32:32.880
<v Speaker 2>claimed to have been sexually assaulted by Fred and Rose

559
00:32:33.480 --> 00:32:36.039
<v Speaker 2>when she was only fourteen years old, and that Rose

560
00:32:36.119 --> 00:32:38.880
<v Speaker 2>was the more aggressive of the two neighbors. Testified how

561
00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:42.440
<v Speaker 2>Charmain disappeared while Fred was incarcerated, and how Rose didn't

562
00:32:42.440 --> 00:32:46.000
<v Speaker 2>even seem upset when Heather went missing. Rose pled not guilty.

563
00:32:46.079 --> 00:32:49.400
<v Speaker 2>The judge allowed testimony from victims of sexual assault by

564
00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:52.000
<v Speaker 2>Fred and Rose to establish a pattern of behavior for

565
00:32:52.039 --> 00:32:56.279
<v Speaker 2>the jury. On November twenty first of nineteen ninety five,

566
00:32:56.880 --> 00:33:00.160
<v Speaker 2>the jury came back with ten unanimous guilty verdicts for

567
00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:03.519
<v Speaker 2>the counts of murder. Rose was sentenced to life in

568
00:33:03.559 --> 00:33:06.599
<v Speaker 2>prison without the chance of parole. She was sent to

569
00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:11.680
<v Speaker 2>HM Prison Brosfield in Middlesex and then transferred to HM

570
00:33:11.680 --> 00:33:16.119
<v Speaker 2>Prison Durham, which is actually where Myra Hinley was also

571
00:33:16.960 --> 00:33:21.000
<v Speaker 2>sent Who is if you're unfamiliar a person as vile

572
00:33:21.039 --> 00:33:24.480
<v Speaker 2>as Rose West So I guess some say that they

573
00:33:24.519 --> 00:33:28.519
<v Speaker 2>started a relationship together, but again I mean these evil

574
00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:31.920
<v Speaker 2>people finding each other. Rose paid to change her name

575
00:33:31.960 --> 00:33:35.839
<v Speaker 2>to Jennifer Jones as like an alias. Some of Rose's

576
00:33:35.960 --> 00:33:39.200
<v Speaker 2>children went to visit her, until one of her daughters

577
00:33:39.200 --> 00:33:42.720
<v Speaker 2>started asking about the murders. In Rose cut contact. Rose

578
00:33:42.759 --> 00:33:45.400
<v Speaker 2>said quote, I was never a parent and could never

579
00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:49.319
<v Speaker 2>be now. Rose did attempt to appeal her sentence, but

580
00:33:49.400 --> 00:33:52.680
<v Speaker 2>it was rejected, and in nineteen ninety seven, the home

581
00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:56.160
<v Speaker 2>Secretary Jack Straw gave Rose a whole life tariff, which

582
00:33:56.200 --> 00:33:59.640
<v Speaker 2>meant that took away the possibility of any parole again

583
00:33:59.799 --> 00:34:03.079
<v Speaker 2>to appeal, and then she just said she no longer

584
00:34:03.119 --> 00:34:06.440
<v Speaker 2>wants to appeal. She said that even if she's free,

585
00:34:06.480 --> 00:34:09.480
<v Speaker 2>she'll never be free. And she still claims she had

586
00:34:09.519 --> 00:34:12.280
<v Speaker 2>nothing to do with the murders. The Wests are known

587
00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:14.840
<v Speaker 2>to have committed at least twelve murders over twenty years

588
00:34:14.920 --> 00:34:17.920
<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixty seven to eighty seven, but many think that

589
00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:20.400
<v Speaker 2>there were many more victims. As Fred worked as a

590
00:34:20.400 --> 00:34:23.480
<v Speaker 2>builder and a drainage worker, he could have disposed bodies

591
00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:26.599
<v Speaker 2>in so many places where he worked. After the West

592
00:34:26.639 --> 00:34:29.599
<v Speaker 2>were taken in to custody, thankfully, the younger West children

593
00:34:29.639 --> 00:34:34.159
<v Speaker 2>were given new names, and some of the older children

594
00:34:34.199 --> 00:34:37.360
<v Speaker 2>went on to write books, like Anne Marie West, Fred's

595
00:34:37.360 --> 00:34:39.760
<v Speaker 2>eldest daughter, went on to write a book titled Out

596
00:34:39.760 --> 00:34:43.239
<v Speaker 2>of the Shadows in May West, the eldest surviving daughter

597
00:34:43.320 --> 00:34:47.199
<v Speaker 2>of Fred, Ann Rose, also wrote a book titled Love

598
00:34:47.320 --> 00:34:51.800
<v Speaker 2>Is Always Mom xxx. I really hope this helped them

599
00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:56.480
<v Speaker 2>heal somewhat, that this was somehow therapeutic for these kids

600
00:34:56.480 --> 00:34:59.440
<v Speaker 2>that went through so much. The house at twenty five,

601
00:34:59.480 --> 00:35:02.639
<v Speaker 2>Cromwell's Street was destroyed and flattened. A lot of the

602
00:35:02.719 --> 00:35:09.559
<v Speaker 2>West children suffered with substance abuse suicidal ideations. All because

603
00:35:09.559 --> 00:35:14.000
<v Speaker 2>of these sick parents. Fred never had to face any consequences.

604
00:35:14.079 --> 00:35:17.039
<v Speaker 2>In Rose, who is currently seventy one years old, she's

605
00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:19.559
<v Speaker 2>serving a whole life order so she'll never get out

606
00:35:20.320 --> 00:35:24.800
<v Speaker 2>at HMP New Hall Prison in West Yorkshire using the

607
00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:29.320
<v Speaker 2>name Jennifer Jones. She's such a loser. I hope her

608
00:35:29.400 --> 00:35:32.719
<v Speaker 2>days are miserable and I hope she lives a long,

609
00:35:33.320 --> 00:35:37.400
<v Speaker 2>terrible existence. Well, thank you everybody so much for listening.

610
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<v Speaker 2>Till next time.

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