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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Chicks on the Right podcast.

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We're very excited today because we have a member of

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our own audience on the show with us today who

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reached out to us, Jamie Williams.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being here.

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Speaker 1: You reached out to us with a story to tell

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about what's going on in the foster care system in

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Washington State. Give us and our audience the rundown.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Oh my gosh, Washington State is a dumpster fire

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for so many reasons, you guys, and we already know that,

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but the child welfare system is a huge component to

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that right now and so on. So I've been a

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foster parent for seven years. I primarily was at labor

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and delivery nurse for most of my career, and that's

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kind of what led me.

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Speaker 4: Into the foster care system.

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Speaker 3: We taken babies exposed to drugs within utero and some

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that are really medically challenging and high risk, and so

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that's kind of how I landed in foster care. So

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we have adopted, We've taken care of, you know, ten

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or so children within the system. I'm from a little

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corner of the state. I'm as far away from Seattle

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as you can get.

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Speaker 4: I live in Walla, Walla, which people are always like,

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is that real?

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Speaker 2: Is that a real? It is? It is.

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Speaker 4: We're known for our wines. We're very rule.

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Speaker 3: We are also known from for Tanya from the Real

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World back in the nineties.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you remember that. Oh my god,

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what was that like?

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Speaker 2: Season one?

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Speaker 4: I can't even remember because I was young. I was

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really young.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, and Batman Batman.

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Speaker 4: So there's some fun facts about.

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Speaker 1: The get.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. So this I kind of got.

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Speaker 3: I got into Foster Care about seven years ago, and

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we are just now experiencing this huge crisis, and it's

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so upsetting because our governor and our dc y F,

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which is the Department of Children, Youth and Family, the director,

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they're all trying to really silence this. They're trying to

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use kind of diversion taxtic tactic to deflect from the

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crisis that we're in. And so I reached out to

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you guys, and I was so excited to hear back

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that you guys were willing to listen to this story.

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But I'll talk about kind of the both components to

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this crisis. On one side, it's like a double edged sword.

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On one side, you have a bill that was passed

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in twenty twenty one. It's called the Keeping Families Together Act,

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which sounds like butterflies and rainbows.

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Speaker 4: And I assure you it's not. It's a crapshoot.

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Speaker 3: And that what that did was this law passed where

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now DCYF Department of Children, Youth and Family, the social

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workers have to prove imminent physical harm to remove a

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child from a lethal environment. So that is really hard

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to do because, for example, if you beat your child

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last week, well this is a new week.

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Speaker 4: You know, so you might go.

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Speaker 3: You can't prove that this is going to happen imminently.

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And so what's happening is we've had this massive increase,

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like over two one hundred percent increase.

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Speaker 4: In fatalities and near fatalities.

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Speaker 3: So if drugs are involved, you can't the child stays within.

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Speaker 4: That environment, you cannot remove them.

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Speaker 3: So when babies come, you know in my career, it

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was a mother would come in, she'd have a baby,

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baby would test positive.

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Speaker 4: Mom would test positive.

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Speaker 3: We know there's active drug use, we know there's a

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really big threat to the safety of this child. So

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the baby would immediately go on a CPS hold. We

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would find a foster home for that baby, and then

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we would immediately wrap services around the parents so we

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could reunify in a safe way. Well, now baby just

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goes home, Baby just goes home with active yes, with

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active drug use in the home. And it's god wild

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and what the reason?

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Speaker 4: And you guys don't love this? The reason they pass

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this law.

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Speaker 3: The primary sponsor of this bill her name, and I

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will call her out because she deserves to be called out.

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Her name is Lilian or Tease self. And her argument

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and her campaign, if you will, around this bill was

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that we were racially disproportionately removing children of color from.

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Speaker 1: Their whole crime and it didn't matter what the stats

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were for the drug use rising right, oh my god,

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And so it was completely they viewed it through this

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racial tunnel vision.

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Speaker 4: And it is maddening.

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Speaker 3: Because when you actually look at the data and the facts,

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in twenty twenty one, before they passed this bill, fatalities

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among children of color was eight percent in Washington State.

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You fast forward now to twenty twenty four, and that's

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the last data we have available on public record critical

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incidents meaning fatalities and near fatalities combined among children of

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color is twenty five percent.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, wow, and they don't see that there's

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a connection.

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Speaker 2: There's a correlation here.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: We in fact, this is fun because we were actually

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supposed to talk last week and I had to reschedule

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because I had to go to Olympia and I was

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at our state capitol the whole week, and we were

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meeting with Republicans and Democrats on both sides. We had

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a huge rally, and we we were in the House.

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Speaker 4: We were in the Senate, we were going to committees.

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Speaker 3: And we were presenting this information to really debunk this

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and the only person that refused to meet with us

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was Lillian or Te's self. Shocker, wow, yeah, shocking, right, yeah.

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And so it's it's just so maddening because we even

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met with we met with a lot of Democrats on

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the in the House and in the Senate, and what

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we heard was the same was kind of the same thing,

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and they were saying, you have to be really really

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progressive to survive in the state. You knows, as in

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our position as a lawmaker, there's we are traditional Democrats.

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Speaker 4: There's no room for us.

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Speaker 3: So like we we want to support you, and we do,

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and we see it, we understand, but they will not

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listen to us. In fact, we've gotten metalitating.

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Speaker 4: Are left like, oh maratifude.

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Speaker 5: Right, try being a kid and trying to survive, and

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that's say good.

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Speaker 3: And so it's just it's just sickening because you can't

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break through to these people. They in fact, they even

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straight up told us, they said they will not listen

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to you. You know, the far left that's really responsible

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for this bill. They won't listen to you. You've got

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to find a black coalition to get behind you, or

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you've got to find some native tribes. But they will

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not listen to you, even though you have the fat,

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the facts and the data.

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Speaker 5: It's crazy what you're saying, Like, it's it's like just

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listening to it, I'm just like, this is absolute madness.

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It's like nobody cares about the kids. No, it's because

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you're showing them data. They don't want to look at

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the data. They're like, la, la, la, I don't want

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to see data.

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Speaker 2: Exactly.

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Speaker 4: It's totally deflecting.

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Speaker 3: And so part of their mitigation tactics to compensate for

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all of these fatalities, in these near fatalities, is to just.

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Speaker 4: Hand out Narcan. It's candy. I mean, we've just we

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Speaker 1: Let's just give the kids needles. I mean that seems

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to be like right on line with that kind of thinking.

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Let's just go ahead and give them safe needles.

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Speaker 2: Like, part of.

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Speaker 3: Their harm reduction kits include Narcan test strips so that

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you can test your drugs for fetanyl, because surely if

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it tests positive or fetanyl, if it's laced, you won't

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use it, all right.

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Speaker 4: Because drug users make good decisions like that.

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Speaker 5: I feel like, listen, if it's happening there, it's happening

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in other cities. Obviously, it's happening in other states across

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the country. Yeah, this is probably indicative of so many

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different stays across the aggressive ones.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely absolutely, and so and then the thing that

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just makes me laugh. In their harm reduction kits, they

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also have this like really pretty brochure to like explain

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to you that drugs are bad, you know, like in case.

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Speaker 2: You didn't know. Wow, that's new information.

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Speaker 5: Okay, It's just it's wild.

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Speaker 4: It is so wild.

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Speaker 3: And I experienced the ramifications of this because we were

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forced to send home a four month old baby back

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to his mom because she did AA online and that

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was sufficient thing during COVID it was oh, that's still

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like summer of twenty two, so it wasn't It wasn't

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like right in the peak of COVID.

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Speaker 4: But she went to AA.

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Speaker 3: Online's as she's using yeah right right fast tracked him

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home and that was the first time like my husband

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and I were like, what is happening? Why are they

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setting her up for failure? She's not ready. Let's just

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slow it down, Let's continue to work with her. I

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was trying to get her to come to doctor's appointments

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and get engaged. She wouldn't, and so he was sent back.

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Speaker 4: She wasn't even fighting for the child.

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Speaker 1: This was just like it was just like the handles

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by services, these services that she was completing were sufficient

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enough for DC.

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Speaker 4: Wef to be like she's ready, oh my god. Oh,

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Speaker 3: No, no, And so when he was sent back home,

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I started getting calls from his medical team and they

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were saying, Jamie, we have not seen him.

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Speaker 4: Where is he?

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Speaker 3: And I was like, I have I can't even help.

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have to call the supervisor. I'm completely out.

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Speaker 4: Of it now.

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Speaker 3: They won't even talk to me about this kid, you

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know now that he's not in my care. And so

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nine months went by and I got this text message

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from one of the social workers that does like placements

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for foster children, and she said, hey, Jamie, so and

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so is back in foster care. He's been neglected medically

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and just overall neglect, and you know, can you take him?

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Mom relapsed, The house burnt to the ground.

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 3: I was told that it was purposefully set on fire

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and they killed all the animals inside of it. Luckily

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there were no children there, but it was horrific and

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I just wanted to unleash on them because I was like,

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this is what I told you. He could have been

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with me this whole time. We could have still been

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working with Mom. It could have been a safe and

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stable situation, and instead you sent him back home. You

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started to hardwire this trauma in this growing brain. He's

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been neglected. There's drugs in the home, so many red flags.

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got to find out what's going on. And that's when

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I found out that they changed the laws and it

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made it really difficult for social workers to either keep

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children in foster care or just even just remove them.

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Speaker 4: And so my phone stopped ringing. It just stopped ringing.

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Speaker 3: And we recently we did have one baby for about

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a year and he went to an adoptive home, but

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they weren't even going to he was born in the hospital.

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and they were not even going to try and put

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him in protective custody because they didn't think they had

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enough evidence underneath this.

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Speaker 4: Law on what they have to prove.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 3: So luckily, luckily they were able to you know, petition

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he stayed with us, thank god. But this is why

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we're seeing this massive increase in critical incidents. In fact,

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there was just a story that was so horrific in

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Seattle and it kind of went like viral all over

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the state where they were. They found like a nine

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year old boy was living in a tent in the

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homeless camp and.

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for drug money. They fetanyl paraphernalia everywhere and.

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Speaker 4: This boy and people kept calling CPS.

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Speaker 3: They'd see this boy living there and CPS would would come,

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but say, we just don't have enough, like I can't

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prove that he's at risk of in it is the.

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Speaker 4: Coal harm under this stupid law.

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Speaker 3: My gosh, it's so wild and so then so that's

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one edge of the sword. The other component to this

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crisis is that they at the same time that they

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that they passed that law, they also changed like our

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Washington State Administrative Code are wax that we have to

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follow as foster parents. So now we are also forced

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to affirm and support a child's gender identity and sexual orientation.

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Speaker 5: Oh, here we go.

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Speaker 3: And that's not just using pronouns that is, it's it

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clearly states that you have to connect them to services

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that will support and affirm their gender identity and sexual orientation.

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Speaker 1: And wait, just really quick, like when did that Is

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that a new part of a new law? Because how

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does that jive with what President Trump has said? You

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can't do that anymore, especially since these are federal you know,

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or they're at least governmental programs, right, how does that

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even work?

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Speaker 3: But I talk to somebody about this who knows a

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lot more about this. Do you guys know Aaron Friday

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from our duty? No, Okay, she's from California and her

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her child was kind of indoctrinated into this crap in

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school several years back during COVID, and.

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Speaker 4: So she's really ending up. Yeah, she's risen up.

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Speaker 3: And so I was actually I was talking to her

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the other day because we're going to have her on

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our podcast, and she was saying that the executive order,

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it's kind of a nice gesture, but it doesn't help

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the Blue States black man.

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Speaker 4: So it doesn't really it doesn't really factor in.

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Speaker 3: However, it does kind of threaten the Blue States that

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where you you and he has said you cannot force

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foster parents to do this. It's against their constutional rights.

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me and try to revoke my license, I would win.

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I would win that case. And I think they know that,

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but they and that's why they tried to roll this

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out like really silently. They didn't like send an email

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out to foster parents. It was all just kind of

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like under the table, We're just gonna sneak this in

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and hope that like, people don't find out about it.

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they get to that step and they're like, I can't

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agree to this.

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Speaker 1: Right, you know, which is so stupid because these are

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probably fantastic homes families that are desperately needed by kids.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, it's.

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Speaker 3: So insane to me and even just I mean aside

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from you know, my stance as a Christian and my

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convictions there, but as a medical professional, I absolutely will

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not conform to this.

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Speaker 4: Yep, we we are not this is this is not okay.

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Speaker 3: And if if a if a a child came to

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me who was experiencing anorexia, would I have affirm that

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absolutely no, let's go get you some mozampic.

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Speaker 4: You know what.

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Speaker 3: I know, it's insane, It's like because you know that

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that's a symptom of something deeper that's going on, and

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you are and yes, we need to lead with compassion,

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but compassion is not shape shifting the truth. You know,

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Compassion is not causing harm. That's that's irreversible to children,

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you know, especially within the foster care system. That is

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really where I get upset, because these are kids with

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trauma and what we know about adverse childhood experiences like

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that has permanently affected their brain.

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Speaker 5: Right, They're so vulnerable. Those are like such vulnerable kids.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, if you want to affirm this false sense of reality,

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and in a child who's growing and developing but also

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has severe trauma, whose frontal lobe will probably never be fully.

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Speaker 4: Developed, truthfully, how can you get behind that?

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Speaker 5: You know?

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Speaker 3: And it's just so so ridiculous. Like I heard Brandy

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Cruz the other day. She was on and she asked

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Governor Bob Ferguson, like if he would like in terms

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of the sports thing that's been like a really big

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thing in Washington State, right, is boys playing girls sports?

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And and he he totally deflected from her question, and

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he accused Brandy of being obsessed with trans kids.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, is debata what he said?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god.

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Speaker 4: We hear that a lot.

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Speaker 5: We see that a lot of they say that a lot,

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you know, like we're somehow obsessed with that.

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Speaker 2: We're not.

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Speaker 5: We just don't want boys playing in girls' sports.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely absolutely, And it's so funny.

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Speaker 3: Like as soon as I've been very had, I've had

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a very public opposition to all of this, And I

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mean you get, you know, all the Facebook trolls, you know,

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in their mom's basement and they like come after you, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, like swing in.

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Speaker 3: And I've had people reach out to me and like

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private message me, and they've you know, I've reported you.

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You are a danger to children. You don't deserve to.

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Speaker 4: Care for these children.

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Speaker 3: I've reported you, And I'm just like, okay, Timmy, like

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go stop your pass the fire and take a nap,

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you know.

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Speaker 5: But seriously, though, has that affected your ability to be

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a foster parent.

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Speaker 4: That I have? I have been reported, right, so I

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know that for sure.

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Speaker 3: I haven't received any specific communication from kind of the

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higher up saying that, you know, we're going to provoke

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your license or anything.

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Speaker 5: Because you're because you're Christian and you have like morals

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and we can't have that.

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Speaker 4: Like I'm just curious.

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Speaker 1: I guess, yes, Well, because what's a report going to

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say she said something I disagreed with on the internet,

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so take her license away.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I mean, we've seen weirder things happening in

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the in the country. That's why I was That's why

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I'm asking. That's why I was curious.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, So I haven't received anythings specifically, but I mean,

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I will sue the ship out of Washington. Stay you

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back me into a corner and you threaten to take

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away my license, which is like you should more important

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to me than my career. I will fight like hell

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for these kids. And I think they know that. And

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it's actually funny because in Oregon there was the Baits

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case and it's within that like ninth Circuit, so we're

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a part of that, and the foster parents won. They

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told the foster parents that they couldn't adopt this child

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because they weren't willing to affirm their gender identity and

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sexual orientation and all that, and they lawyered up and

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they sued Oregon and they won.

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Speaker 2: Oh and it was a pretty.

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Speaker 3: Big case because it is it's a constitutional right. You

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cannot coherse me into a belief. You cannot go against

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my religious freedoms and my freedom of speech.

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Speaker 4: And that's exactly what they're trying to do.

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Speaker 1: They're really trying to like, is there I mean, I

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know what you said about, you know, visiting the legislature

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and not even getting to talk to the lady that's

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responsible for the bill.

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Speaker 2: Is there hope for your state?

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Speaker 1: Like, is there something that Trump can put I don't know, like,

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is there is there can you leave us with some optimism?

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Is there something our audience can do to help with

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the cause?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I would say probably realistically, it's gonna

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take either a lawsuit or Trump will have to because

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foster Care is federally funded like fifty percent, and he

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I think would I think the government would have to

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withhold funds and you know, and really play hardball, which

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which would be a it would it wouldn't be a

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good pr situation because it really would trickle down and

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affect a lot of areas if we didn't get funding. Right,

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But I think that's almost what has to happen in

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order for Washington State to comply. But we are as

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I mean, we oh, it's just the dumpster fire over here.

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I just I'm not optimistic that anything concrete will happen

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in a way that will really move the needle, just

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because we are so blue, Like we are so radical

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over here. I mean even like we're going to have

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higher income taxes than New York.

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Speaker 4: We're going to be the highest in the country. Pretty small,

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and you're.

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Speaker 1: Going to have a record of a bunch of kids

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dying in foster care. I think that that would mean

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something to the electorate in your state.

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Speaker 2: But wow, that data.

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Speaker 5: Doesn't seem to matter apparently. But this cannot be exclusive

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to your state though, I mean, because there are other

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progressive states out there, and you know they're experiencing maybe

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not exactly the same, but at least something similar to

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the situation that you're talking about. So that's the thing

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is that people need just need to be more cognizant

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of what's going on.

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Speaker 4: And keep an eye on Virginia.

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Speaker 2: Now, what else is going to happen in that?

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Speaker 5: Say?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, absolutely, it's horrible, Yeah, Jamie, I.

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Speaker 1: Mean, we just so appreciate you filling us in and

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letting our audience know what's going on, because this is

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not a topic that we've ever hit on. It's not

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you know, we don't do that personally. We're not foster parents. Obviously,

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have huge admiration for folks like you who are. But wow,

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I mean, what a story, and I'm glad you came

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to tell it.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Yes, thank you guys so much for having me. It's

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always so fun to watch you guys every morning. I

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feel like, between mocks, laugh, and Daisies like sound effects.

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You guys are the perple hair, and like, you're gonna

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go into a really dark place in this in this

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culture if you don't find the humor and all.

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Speaker 4: Of it's a crazy news cycle, that's for sure. Yes, yeah,

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it definitely is.

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Speaker 3: I have one Candace story that I think your audience

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is gonna love before we tell. Yeah, okay, So before

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Charlie Kirk was assassinated, it was like earlier in the summer.

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I was kind of throwing up all these hail Marys

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to outlets that would would listen to this story and

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help kind of amplify the problem here.

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Speaker 4: And I reached out to Candace.

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Speaker 3: Didn't really know who she was, but this was definitely

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before she like jumped into a spaceship and left planet Earth,

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you know what I mean. And I was like, whatever,

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I'm just gonna send her an email and see, well.

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Speaker 4: I get this automatic reply.

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Speaker 3: And it was from this kind of company where she,

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you know, she had an account with where you can

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schedule phone calls or text messages with like celebrities or whatever.

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Speaker 4: And I kind of was just.

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Speaker 3: Curious because like, this is gonna be expensive, but I

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just want to see what it is. So I kind

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of tried to schedule something.

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Speaker 4: It was I mean, goods.

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Speaker 3: This was like before Charlie Kirk, right, so she like

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had like maybe three hundred thousand followers, like I mean,

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she didn't have the following that she has now. So

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it was eleven thousand dollars to have fifteen minutes of

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her time on the phone. And then it was a

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thousand dollars for one text message exchange. And like a

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few weeks ago, you posted or you guys played a

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clip of her like I think she was talking about

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like the financials of her business and she's like, you guys,

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this is Jesus's platform.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 3: I was like, I'm sorry, Uh, last I checked, Jesus

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doesn't charge me eleven thousand dollars for a few minutes

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of his time.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, gosh, that's wow, it's work.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 5: That yeah, Well, if you're a televangelist, maybe it's so wild.

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Speaker 4: I couldn't believe that.

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Speaker 3: I was like, oh my gosh, yeah, totally tracks, total track.

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Speaker 4: I believe every every bit of it. Eleven grand chitch yeah.

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Speaker 3: And then all the people in your comments like seven thousand,

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I'm like, huh.

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Speaker 4: Little do you know, you idiot, and then she'll.

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Speaker 1: Ask people to please contribute to her legal fund because

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Macron is suing her and she needs the financial.

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Speaker 2: Help, and people do it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the most amazing part is this, please let

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me send you so much money?

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Speaker 5: Well, I sit here in this three thousand dollars blouse.

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Speaker 4: That is yes, okay, so funny.

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Speaker 3: I just I want to I really want to perfect

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like the Scott Jenny's look, you know when he's like,

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we know, well we do, looking directly at the camera

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and you're just like, bad, You're an idiot, really really bad.

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Speaker 1: Ye. Well, thanks again, Jamie, so appreciate it, and good

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luck with all of that, because it's like you're going

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to need it in that state.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and say a prayer or two for me. We

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will sure, Thank you. Thanks everyone,