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Speaker 1: The Thinking Atheist. It's not a person, it's a symbol,

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an idea.

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Speaker 2: The population of atheists this country is going through.

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Speaker 1: The rule, rejecting faith, pursuing knowledge, challenging the sacred. If

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I tell the truth, it's because I tell the truth,

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not because.

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Speaker 2: I put my hand on a book and made a.

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Speaker 1: Wish and working together for a more rational world.

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Speaker 2: Take the risk of thinking. Feel so much more happiness.

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Truth Usian wisdom will come to you that way.

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Speaker 1: Assume nothing, question everything, and start thinking. This is the

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Thinking Atheist podcast hosted by Seth Andrews.

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Speaker 2: So I saw something that was posted on the Cracked

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Facebook page.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: Cracked is an American humor magazine that was founded back

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in nineteen fifty eight. I don't know if the magazine

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itself is still around, but the online page, the Facebook page,

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certainly is and Cracked posts a bunch of lists and

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you know, funny stuff, and it's usually pretty lightweight, a

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little bit mad magazine, all right, that's what Cracked is.

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But I saw more and more serious stuff posted on

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the Cracked page. And on the second of August there

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was a reposting of a David Wong piece from twenty

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sixteen the Donald Trump phenomenon explained in three movies. Well,

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this intrigued me and it was a pretty long piece,

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and I was so interested that I figured I just

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read it for you here. So this is from nine

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years ago. It says I'm going to explain the Donald

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Trump phenomenon in three movies, and then some text in

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the article. He actually references several movies and he's got

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images that are pasted into the article. Talks about Brave Heart,

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Hunger Games, Star Wars, Deliverance, Iron Man, maybe another one.

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There's this universal shorthand that epic adventure movies used to

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tell the good guys from the bad. The good guys

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are simple folk from the countryside, while the bad guys

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are decadent assholes who live in the city and wear

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stupid clothes. And Star Wars Luke is a farm boy,

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while the bad guys live in a shiny space station.

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In Braveheart, the main character is a simple farmer, and

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the dastardly prints Shithead lives in a luxurious castle and

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wears fancy, foppish clothes. The theme expresses itself in several ways,

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primitive versus advanced, tough versus delicate, masculine versus feminine, poor

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versus rich, pure versus decadent, traditional versus weird. All of

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it is code for rural versus urban. That tense divide

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between the two doesn't exist because of these movies. Obviously,

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these movies used it as shorthand because the divide already existed.

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We country folk are programmed to hate the prissy elites

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that brings us to Trump. It's not about red and

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blue states. It's about the country versus the city. David

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Wong says, I was born and raised in Trump Country.

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My family are Trump people. If I hadn't moved away

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and gotten this ridiculous job, I'd be voting for him.

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I know. I would see political types talk about red

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states and blue states, where red equals Republican conservative and

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blue equals Democrat progressive. But forget about states. If you

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want to understand the Trump phenomenon, dig up the much

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more detailed county map. Here's how the nation voted, county

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by county in the twenty twelve election. Again, red is Republican,

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and the map itself looks like somebody just splashed the

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whole country with red paint. I mean, it's almost all red.

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And there's these tiny little blotches of bloom. Okay, and

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I'll post a PDF version of this article in the

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description box for you. So it's mostly red. It looks

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like a red country. Back to the article Holy Cockslaps.

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That makes it look like Obama's Blue Party is some

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kind of fringe political faction that struggles to get twenty

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percent of the vote. The blue parts, however, are more

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densely populated. They are the cities in the upper left.

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You see the blue Seattle Tacoma area, lower down to

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San Francisco than La. The blue around the dickt shaped

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Lake Michigan is made of cities like Minneapolis, Milwaukee, and Chicago.

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down into Philadelphia, which leads into a blue band which

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connects a bunch of Southern cities like Charlotte in Atlanta.

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Blue islands in an ocean of red. The cities are

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less than four percent of the land mass, but sixty

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two percent of the population and easily ninety nine percent

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of the popular culture. Our movie shows, songs, and news

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all radiate out of these blue islands. And if you

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live in the red that fucking socks. See, I'm from

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a blue state, Illinois, but the state isn't blue. Freaking

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Chicago is blue. I'm from a tiny town in one

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of the blood red areas. As a kid, visiting Chicago

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was like well Catnis visiting the capital, or like Zoe

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visiting the city of the future in this ridiculous book.

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Their ways are strange and the whole goddamn world revolt

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surround them. Every TV show was about La or New York,

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maybe with some Chicago or Baltimore thrown in. When they

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did make a show about us, we were jokes, either

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wide eyed, naive fluff balls, as in Parks and Recreation

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and before that New Heart or filthy Murderous Mutants dru

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Detective and before that Deliverance, you could feel the arrogance

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from hundreds of miles away. Nothing that happens outside the

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city matters, they say at their cocktailed parties, blissfully unaware

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of where their food is grown. Hey, remember when Hurricane

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Katrina hit New Orleans. Kind of weird that a big

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hurricane hundreds of miles across managed to snipe one specific

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city and avoid everything else. To watch the news or

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the multiple movies and TV shows about it. You'd barely

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hear about the storm utterly steam rolling rural Missississippi, killing

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two hundred and thirty eight people and doing an astounding

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one hundred and twenty five billion dollars in damage. But

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who cares about those people? Right? What's newsworthy about a

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bunch of toothless hillbillies crying over a flattened trailer. New

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Orleans is culturally important. It matters to these ignored, suffering people.

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Donald Trump is a brick chucked through the window of

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the elites. Are you assholes listening now? But isn't this

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really about race? Aren't Trump supporters just a bunch of

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racist Don't they hate cities because that's where the brown

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people live. Look, we're gonna get actual Nazis in the

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comments section of this article, not calling them Nazis for

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argument point Nazis, but actual swastikas in their avatars rooted

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against Indiana Jones Nazis. Those people exist. But what I

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can say from personal experience is that the racism of

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my youth was always one step removed. I never saw

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a family member, friend, or classmate be mean to the

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actual black people we had in town, We worked with them,

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played video games with them, waved to them when they passed.

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What I did hear was several million comments about how

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if you ever ventured into the city, winding up in

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the wrong neighborhood meant you'd get dragged from your car,

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raped and burned alive. Looking back, I think the idea

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was that the local minorities were fine as long as

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they acted exactly like us. If you'd asked me at

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the time, I'd have said the fear and hatred wasn't

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of people with brown skin, but of that specific tribe

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they have in Chicago. You know, the guys with the

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weird slang music and clothes, the dope friends who murder

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everyone they see. It was all part of the bizarrow

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nature of the city. Sas perceived from a are a

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combination of hyper aggressive savages and frivolous white elites. Their

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ways are strange, and it wasn't like pop culture was

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trying to talk me out of it. It's not just

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perception either. The stats back up the fact that these

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are parallel universes. People living in the countryside or twice

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as likely to own a gun and will probably get

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married younger people in the urban blue areas, talk faster

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and walk faster. They're more likely to be drug abusers,

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but less likely to be alcoholics. The blues are less

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likely to own land, and more importantly, they're less likely

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to be evangelical Christians. In the small towns, this often

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gets expressed as they don't share our values, and my

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progressive friends love to scoff at that, what like illiteracy

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and homophobia. Nope, everything trends always start in the cities,

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and not all of them are good. The cities are

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always living in the future. I remember when our little

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town got our first Chinese restaurant and twenty years later

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its first fancy coffee shop. All of this stuff had

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turned up in movies set in LA, of course, decades earlier.

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I remember watching eighties movies and mocking the valley girls stereotypes,

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young girls from Lake California who would like say like

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in between every third word. Twenty years later, you can

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hear me doing the same in every Cracked podcast. The

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cancer started in LA and spread to the rest of America. Well.

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The perception back then was that those city folks were

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all turning atheist, abandoning church for their bisexual sex parties.

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That we were told was literally a sign of the apocalypse,

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not just due to the ritual consequences, which were dire,

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but the devastation that would come to the culture. I

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couldn't imagine any rebuttal in that place. In that time,

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the church was everything. Don't take my word for it.

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Listen to the experts. Church was where you made friends,

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met girls, networked for jobs, got social support. The poor

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could get food and clothes there, couples could get advice

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on their marriages, addices could try to get clean. But

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now we're seeing a startling decline in Christianity among the

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general population, the godless disease having spread alongside Valley girl talk.

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So according to Fox News, what's the result of those

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decadent atheist, amoral snobs in the cities having turned up

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their noses that God chaos? The fabric is broken down,

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they say, just as predicted. And what rural Americancy on

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the news today is a sneak peek at their tomorrow.

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The savages are coming, Blacks riot Muslims set bombs, Gays,

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spread aids, Mexican cartels, behead children, Atheists tear down Christmas trees. Meanwhile,

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those liberal Lena Dunhams and their five thousand dollars a

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month apartments, sip wine and say, but those white Christians

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are the real problem. Terror victims scream in the street

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next to their own severed limbs, and the response from

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the elites is to cry about how men should be

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allowed to use women's restrooms, and how it's cruel to

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keep chickens in cages madness. Their heads are so far

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up their asses that they can't tell up from down.

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Basic obvious truths that have gone unquestioned four thousands of

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years now get laughed at and shouted down. The fact

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that hard work is better than dependence on government, that

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children do better with both parents in the picture, that

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piece is better than rioting, that a strict moral code

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is better than blithe hedonism, that humans tend to value

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things they've earned more than what they get for free.

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That not getting exploded by a bomb is better than

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getting exploded by a bomb, or, as they say out

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in the country, don't piss on my leg and tell

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me it's raining. The foundation upon which America was undeniably built, family, faith,

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and hard work had been deemed unfashionable and small minded.

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Those snooty elites up in their ivory tower, laughed as

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they kicked away that foundation, and then wrote ten thousand

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word think pieces blaming the builders for the ensuing collapse.

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Don't message me saying all those things I listed are wrong.

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I know they're wrong, or rather I think they're wrong,

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because I now live in a blue county and work

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for a blue industry. I know the good old days

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of the past were built on slavery and segregation. I

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know that entire categories of humanity experienced religion only as

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a boot on their neck. I know that those traditional

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families involved millions of women trapped in kitchens and bad marriages.

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I know gays lived in fear, and abortions were back

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alley affairs. I know the changes were for the best.

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Try telling that to anybody who lives in Trump country.

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They're getting the shit kicked out of them. I know

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I was there. Step outside of the city and the

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suicide rate among young people fucking doubles. The recession pounded

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rural communities, but all the recovery went to the cities.

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The rate of new businesses opening in rural areas has

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utterly collapsed. See Rural jobs used to be based around

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one big local business, a factory, a coal mine, etc.

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When it dies, the town dies. Where I grew up,

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it was an oil refinery closing that did us in.

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I was raised in the hollowed out shell of what

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the town had once been. The roof of our high

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school leagued when it rained. Cities can make up for

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the loss of manufacturing jobs with service jobs. Small towns cannot.

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That model doesn't work below a certain population density. If

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you don't live in one of these small towns, you

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can't understand the hopelessness. The vast majority of possible careers

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involved moving to the city and around every city is

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now one hundred foot wall called cost of living. Let's

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say you're a smart kid making eight dollars an hour

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at Walgreens and aspire to greater things. Fine, get ready

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to move yourself and your new baby into a seven

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hundred square foot apartment for twelve hundred a month, and

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then to pay double what you're paying now for utilities, grocery,

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and babysitters, unless, of course, you're planning to move to

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one of those neighborhoods hope you like being set on fire.

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That is, if they don't replace the only room you

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can afford with a thirty three hundred dollars per month

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high rise. In the city, you can plausibly aspire to

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start a brand, or become an actor, or get a

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medical degree. You can actually have dreams. In a small town.

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There may be no venues for performing arts aside from

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country music bars and churches. There may be only two

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doctors in town. Aspiring to that job means waiting for

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one of them to retire or die. You open the

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classifieds and all the job listings will be for fast

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food or convenience stores. The downtown is just a corpses

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of mom and pop stores left shattered in Walmart's blast crater.

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The suburbs are trailer parks. There are parts of these

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towns that look post apocalyptic. I'm telling you, the hopelessness

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eat you alive, and if you dare complain, some liberal

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elites will pull out their iPad and type up a

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rant about your racist white privilege. Already, someone has replied

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to this with a comment saying you should try living

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in a ghetto as a minority. Exactly to them, it

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seems like the plight of poor minorities is only used

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as a club to bat away white cries. For help. Meanwhile,

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the rate of rural white suicides and overdoses skyrockets. Shit.

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At least politicians act like they care about the inner cities.

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It really does feel like the worst of both worlds,

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all the ravages of poverty, but none of the sympathy.

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Blacks burn police cars and those liberal elites say it's

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not their fault because they're poor. My son gets jailed

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and fired over a baggie of meth, and those same

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elites make jokes about his missing teeth. You're everyone's punching bag,

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one of society's last remaining safe comedy targets. They take

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it hard. These are people who come from a long

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line of folks who took pride in looking after themselves.

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Where I'm from, you weren't a real man unless you

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could repair a car, patch a roof, hunt your own meat,

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and defend your home from an intruder. That was a

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source of shame to be dependent on anyone, especially the government.

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You mowed your own lawn and fixed your own pipes

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when they leaked. You hauled your own firewood in your

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own pickup truck. Mine was a nineteen ninety four to

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Ford Ranger. The current owner says it still runs, not

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like those hipsters in their tiny apartments or those people

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in their public housing projects, waiting for the landlord anytime

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something breaks, knowing if things get too bad they can

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just pick up and move. When you don't own anything,

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it's all somebody else's problem. They probably don't pay taxes either,

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just treating America itself as a subsidized apartment. They can trash.

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The rural folk with the Trump signs in their yards

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say their way of life is dying, and you smirk

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and say, what they really mean is that blacks and

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gays are finally getting equal rights and they hate it.

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But I'm telling you they say their way of life

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is dying because their way of life is dying. It's

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not their imagination. No movie about the future portrays it

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as being full of traditional families, hunters, and coal mines.

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Well except for hunger games, and that was depicted as

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an apocalypse. So yes, they vote for the guy promising

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to put things back the way they were, the guy

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who'd be a wake up call to the Blue Islands.

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They voted for the brick through the window. It was

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a vote of desperation. But Trump is objectively a piece

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of shit. You say. He insults people, he objectifies women,

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he cheats whenever possible, and he's not an everyman. He's

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a smarmy, arrogant billionaire. Wait are you talking about Donald

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Trump or this guy? And he posted there a picture

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from Marvel Studios of Iron Man under the caption make

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the Avengers Assemble Again. The article says, you never rooted

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for somebody like that, someone powerful who gives your enemies

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the insults they deserve, somebody with big, fun appetites who

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screws up just enough to make him relatable, like Doctor

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House or Walter White or any of the several million

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renegade cop characters who can break all the rules because

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they get shit done, who only get shit done because

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they don't care about the rules. But those are fictional characters. Okay,

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what about all those millionaire left leaning talk show hosts.

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You think they keep their insults classy? Tune into any

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bit about Chris Christy and start counting down the seconds

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until the fat joke. Google David Letterman's sex scandals. But

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it's okay because they're on our side and everybody wants

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an asshole on their team. A spiked bat to smash

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the enemies with. That's all Trump is. The howls of

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elite outrage are like the sounds of bombs landing on

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the enemy's fortress. The louder the better. Already some of

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you have gotten angry, feeling this gut level revulsion at

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any attempt to excuse or even understand these people. After all,

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they're hardly people, right, aren't they just a mass of ignorant, rageful, crude, cursing,

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spitting subhumans. Gee, I hope not. I have to hug

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a bunch of them at Thanksgiving, and when I do,

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it'll be with the knowledge that if I hadn't moved away,

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I'd be on the other side of the fence. Leaving

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nasty comments on this article, the alternate version of me wrote,

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it feels good to dismiss people, to mock them, to

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write them off as deplorables, but you might as well

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take time to try to understand them, because I'm telling

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you they'll still be around long after Trump is gone.

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And that's the article again. I will link it in

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the description box that you can read it, share it,

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not share it, argue about it. So at least you

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can reference the photographs that he had in the piece,

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So that's in the show notes. I have thoughts, I'm

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going to share them with you next. Hey, I'm going

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down to Texas to do some speaking at the end

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of August, and I would love a chance to see

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you down my southern name. You know, a state just

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as read or maybe even more so, maybe not than Oklahoma,

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the state of Texas. You know, it's it's crazy down there,

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and yet an atheist, humanist, secular activist will be an

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infieldtrator and I will be speaking in Austin, Texas on

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August twenty ninth, San Antonio August thirtieth, and Houston at

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Houston Oasis the morning of August thirty. First, all the

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details just go to my personal website Seth Andrews dot

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com and then click the speaking tab and there'll be

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links and everything you need to know. And Drew McCoy,

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genetically Modified Skeptic, is going to be with me on

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the Friday night event because he lives in Austin. And

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that just made a whole bunch of cents. So that's

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going to be a one to two punch on Friday, Okay,

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Seth Andrews dot com and then click on the speaking

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tab Okay, I have a few thoughts. I'm sure you

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do as well about the opening article, and this better

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understanding perhaps of how rural voters, you know, the heartland

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voters in the United States are thinking about those West

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and East Coast liberal elites, and it's messy. A lot

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of people don't think it's messy, you know. They hear

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about MAGA and they just scream out the word Nazi

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and then they get on with the rest of their day.

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And there are a ton of neo Nazis in MAGA, right,

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there's a ton of them. But I don't think it's

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that simple. Don't let anybody tell you that liberal progressives

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cannot be guilty of reductive, binary thinking, of knee jerking,

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of being so I don't know so creola about addressing

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these very real and complex problems. Don't ever let anybody

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tell you that we Libs are not meat covered skeletons

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capable of emotional knee jerky biased stuff, because we are

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all human beings. Okay, I'm not making an equivalence argument,

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but you know there is true. I mean, I live

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in Tulsa, Oklahoma. We are about a million people here.

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Oklahoma City is a little bit larger, but we're not

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considered big cities. So even our cities are kind of

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rural compared to New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, etc. And

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then we've got our own suburbs which become even more

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and more and more country, with more land and you know,

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more wooden fences. It becomes the whole, the whole cliche.

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You know, people out there with barns and tractors and

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horses and cows and all that. It's legit. And I'm

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telling you those people are largely Trump voters. Many of

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them are Trump worshippers. And there are so many reasons

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I think for this that are related to in the article.

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They do think that the cities are filled with the snops,

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the people looking down their noses at heart land Americana.

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And if you look at the map and see all

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the reds, well America looks like us. Why do those

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blues have so much control? Why have they suffocated all

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of these institutions? Why are they in all the TV

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and the movies and the music business. How come it's

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all about the blues, the Libs, all of them progressive,

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the secular humanists, instead of us great conservatives who love

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America this is the thinking, and I think we have

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to understand that. However, because it's messy, and this was

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alluded to in the article, we can't escape the reality

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that there's a shit ton of neo Nazis in Maga.

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And I'm going to tell you a story. And this

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relates to a member or an extended member of my

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wife's family. And Natalie won't mind me telling this story

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because we're both fed up and pissed and we don't

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give a shit. Okay, we're just we're up to here.

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We don't care. I'm gonna tell you the story. So

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this was two months ago. A guy kind of a

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patriarch of Natalie's side of the family. You know, he's

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on the tree, but he's kind of out there. He's

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an older guy, probably seventy five, silver haired, straight up

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white country guy, and we figure just by looking at

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him he voted Trump. He's just one of those dudes

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where I don't think it's stereotyping, but when you look

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at what he says and who he is, and where

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he lives and the house he lives in and the

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car he drives and all the stuff that interests him,

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you just think Maga maga, that alarm goes off, and

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beyond that, we never really thought much about it. And

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I'll call this guy Richard. Well, Richard has a family member,

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like a nephew or something. And Richard's nephew pays a

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rare visit to Richard's house. He comes over and hangs out.

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He's catching up with his uncle, and he's looking all

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around and near the living room. I guess he sees

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this display on the wall, and he sees a symbol

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that looks suspiciously like a swastika. He says, hey, uncle Richard,

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what's this framed thing on the wall here? Well, it's

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it's about our history. It's a collector thing, kind of

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a you know, it's a remembrance of the mid twentieth century.

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It's one of those things that has some value and

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and you know, it's one of those it's a collector's thing.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: He's kind of fumbling in that way, according to the

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story that was told to us. And of course you

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and I are thinking, hey, well, donate it to a museum, right,

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I mean, okay, it's part of our history, but make

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it part of a display which talks about the larger

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genocide of millions of people in bigotry and hatred and

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murder and death and pain and all that stuff, But

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why would you you hang this in your living room?

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And that's what the nephew said, Hey, Uncle Richard, how

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come you're displaying it right here in this way? And

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I guess within two minutes shit went down and Uncle

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Richard hit a point where he just unloaded all the

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stuff that he was really thinking. He said the quiet

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part out louder maybe for him it wasn't the quiet part,

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and it became the most heinous, bigoted screed about how

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this country would be better off if we just took

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all the brown people and put him on a plane

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and sent him out of here because America. And his

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nephew was horrified. Holy shit, Uncle Richard is a swastika brandishing,

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neo Nazi, white supremacist, brown person hating piece of jet.

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It's just and he could not be leave it. And

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that was the tone when he told the story to

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the rest of the family. He's like, f y, I

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you know, we got some Nazi as I'm going on

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over here in this particular part of the family tree.

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And that's I mean, that stuff's real. Now, it's true

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that when I was growing up, I had some embedded biases.

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We would talk about those inner city areas with black people,

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and even though we didn't say it that way out loud,

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you know, it was always like, well, I've got a

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black friend. And we did. We had people in our

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school who were people of color, whether they were black

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or Hispanic or Asian, Native American, et cetera. And we

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were friends and hung out, but there was always this

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idea that those people over there were a little bit different,

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even if we didn't really understand what was going on

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in our own mind. It was bias. It was big,

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it was othering, it was racism, and it was just there.

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We just didn't really understand how it had been baked

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into us, and you know, it wasn't done as much

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with malice, just stupidity and ignorance and whatnot. And then

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we crawl out of that and realize what it was,

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how it worked, and why, you know, we have to

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be aware of it. And so there is that kind

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of bias. I'm not excusing it, but I'm saying, let's

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understand it. And then there is Uncle Richard who is like,

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00:31:33,039 --> 00:31:39,920
white is right, and I just I'm giving a speech

473
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,400
in Let's See. I'm going to release it to YouTube

474
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:52,880
in September, which it shows my exasperation with MAGA. A

475
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:57,319
part of me is that guy who says brainwashing is real,

476
00:31:57,759 --> 00:32:02,400
bigotry can be overcome, love must win, and those things

477
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:06,759
are true. And then there's another part of me that's like,

478
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,799
screw these people. They have dragged us down into the sewer.

479
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,759
They are destroying everything that we care about. They can't

480
00:32:16,799 --> 00:32:20,720
be reasoned with, and what the hell are we gonna

481
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,839
do now except crush them utterly so that person exists.

482
00:32:24,839 --> 00:32:29,640
And these two seths argue with each other all the time,

483
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:35,039
all the time, and I think they both may be right.

484
00:32:37,359 --> 00:32:41,799
There are victims who are also perpetrators who are still victims,

485
00:32:42,599 --> 00:32:47,200
and there are awful people who think Hitler was the

486
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:55,480
good guy in the human story. That's just. But understanding

487
00:32:55,559 --> 00:32:59,119
is important. We must be creatures of understanding, and I'm

488
00:32:59,119 --> 00:33:03,400
gonna hold onto that. I want to know why things

489
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:08,079
are happening, because long after Donald Trump is gone, the

490
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:12,519
people who supported him will not be gone. And you

491
00:33:12,599 --> 00:33:15,680
and I have to deal with him if there is

492
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:22,640
still a United States. Laughed when that happens, Well, what

493
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:27,480
are your thoughts. I would be curious. James is dialing

494
00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:29,799
in from eight one to seven.

495
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,119
Speaker 5: James either, good morning, Set, It's great to talk to

496
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:33,920
you again today.

497
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 2: What's up.

498
00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:37,519
Speaker 5: I just wanted to add something to this. I started

499
00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:40,720
thinking about as I was growing up, and it's been

500
00:33:41,079 --> 00:33:43,079
it's been a long time. When we were growing up,

501
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,920
things were so much different. The Christian conservative values pretty

502
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,839
much dominated the culture in our country. What I mean

503
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,359
by that is the majority of people just accepted it

504
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,720
as is. That's how things were. If you went outside

505
00:33:56,759 --> 00:34:00,640
of that that norm then people would give you already looks.

506
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,400
I mean they could they could correct you just by

507
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,920
giving you that look. You know, that side eye, and

508
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,519
you knew you were messing up. You knew that you

509
00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:10,280
were on the wrong path, and you better not stray

510
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,280
too far from those normative values that were just that

511
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,320
way back in the day. It didn't take anything to

512
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,719
enforce their world view. And now that the culture has

513
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,159
changed so far outside of that, I think they've just

514
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,840
gone crazy with the fact that they can't control the

515
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,199
culture anymore. I mean, they this five has been going

516
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,719
on forever. This isn't a new five. They've they've been

517
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,840
priming for this type of battle between us versus them.

518
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,880
For as long as I can remember, I mean for

519
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,960
at least the last thirty years, talk radio, conservative television

520
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,519
has been priming the pump. And then the Internet came

521
00:34:46,519 --> 00:34:49,679
along and set it all on fire because a certain

522
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,400
amount of us realized that we weren't alone, that the

523
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,920
thoughts that we had weren't crazy, and that that what

524
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,239
we had the things can say, made sense and it

525
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:03,079
was It was bad. We had other people that agreed

526
00:35:03,119 --> 00:35:05,159
with us that back in the day we would have

527
00:35:05,199 --> 00:35:07,559
they weren't in our community. We had no way to

528
00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:10,480
connect with those people. So when we did, we found

529
00:35:10,519 --> 00:35:12,719
out we weren't alone, and all of a sudden, the

530
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,599
culture started shifting out from underneath the way things used

531
00:35:15,599 --> 00:35:19,519
to be, and especially older people, they can't deal with that.

532
00:35:20,159 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 2: I think us first as them has always been around,

533
00:35:22,519 --> 00:35:25,079
don't you think, and on some level, but you're right

534
00:35:25,079 --> 00:35:28,559
about the media and the connected world and has become

535
00:35:28,679 --> 00:35:30,239
so much more amplifying.

536
00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 5: And it's all about money. I mean, we can't forget

537
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,880
that the powers to be this is all about money,

538
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:40,159
with inequality is worse than it's been in a very

539
00:35:40,199 --> 00:35:44,840
long time, and they've successfully pitted us against each other,

540
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:48,079
and I don't know what the culture wars raging the

541
00:35:48,119 --> 00:35:51,159
way they are. I don't know how we walk back

542
00:35:51,199 --> 00:35:53,440
from that. They're destroying our country.

543
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,280
Speaker 2: Do you think we'll ever bounce back?

544
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 5: I have a hard time maintain hope that that will

545
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,400
happen every day when you just see the direction of

546
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,639
things that are going. I mean, I guess it gives

547
00:36:06,639 --> 00:36:08,280
me some hope when I see in the news that

548
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,039
they start to revolt against certain things, but when they

549
00:36:11,039 --> 00:36:13,960
start feeling when it gets so bad, when it gets

550
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,360
so bad that they can no longer ignore it because

551
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,800
it affects them and not just us. If it affects them,

552
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,480
and they start feeling the effects of the actions that

553
00:36:22,519 --> 00:36:25,800
they've brought about, and I guess it's possible that people

554
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,239
could become humble enough to start talking to one another

555
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,679
again in a way that maybe we could work towards

556
00:36:31,679 --> 00:36:35,320
solutions and not just throwing moth top cocktails at one another.

557
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,239
I hope that's the case. I mean, I think that's

558
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:38,880
what we need.

559
00:36:39,639 --> 00:36:42,559
Speaker 2: I've heard some people say they'll support Trump because Trump

560
00:36:42,639 --> 00:36:45,719
pays who they hate. I think there are some people

561
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,360
like that. What's your perception?

562
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 5: Absolutely, I don't know how they don't. It seems like

563
00:36:53,039 --> 00:36:55,280
they don't care as long as it's just a game.

564
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,440
It's like a football game, polities, like a football game.

565
00:36:58,519 --> 00:37:01,199
I've got my team and I'm going to beat and

566
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,000
I'm going to win and at all costs, and all

567
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,159
the things that they said that they used to believe

568
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:10,880
in and hold as sacred, like the Constitution, or law

569
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,920
and order, or just things that were very basic to

570
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,639
the core identity to that particular group, They've just given

571
00:37:17,679 --> 00:37:20,280
it up and said, hey, we're on the winning team,

572
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,400
and whatever you want to do to win is okay

573
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:27,639
by us. And I think Trump is terribly bombastic and

574
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,840
caustic towards our culture, towards the people. I hate to

575
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,239
see that that they've fallen so far away from what

576
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,840
they once said that they believed this country can never survive.

577
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 2: James, I appreciate your calling perspective as part of this

578
00:37:43,599 --> 00:37:47,320
much larger discussion, and I'm sure we'll talk again. Thanks

579
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,559
for dialing in, man Love you said, take care, appreciate you.

580
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,119
Some people I think are afraid of change. There are

581
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:59,519
certain personality types that are averse to change. They are

582
00:37:59,519 --> 00:38:05,119
more prone to want routine and structure. Those people, I think,

583
00:38:05,199 --> 00:38:10,239
travel less. They are less interested in what is different

584
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:14,760
or who is different. You know, they experiment less. And

585
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,400
I'm not just talking about sexually, but I mean everything

586
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:22,239
from diet to life experiences, et cetera. There have been

587
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:27,159
studies about people who tend to lean more into maga

588
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:32,480
type culture, and those traits seem to line up. They

589
00:38:32,639 --> 00:38:36,559
yearn for yesteryear or this myth of yester yearing. Maybe

590
00:38:36,599 --> 00:38:38,719
they you know, they want to go back before black

591
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,880
people could vote, and before interracial marriage was legal, and

592
00:38:42,599 --> 00:38:44,960
back when women were paid less if they worked, and

593
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,800
they were encouraged to stay home and be barefoot and pregnant.

594
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,119
And maybe that's the reality they do want to return to.

595
00:38:50,199 --> 00:38:54,079
But I think others have sort of embraced this lie that, well,

596
00:38:54,119 --> 00:38:58,039
back then, it was all the Norman Rockwell painting kind

597
00:38:58,039 --> 00:39:00,239
of thing. You know, it was all so pristy. We

598
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,440
never locked our doors at night, and no one was

599
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,440
sports to wear seat belts, and everybody was neighborly and happy.

600
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:10,639
And it's this totally fabricated nineteen fifties Americana that they

601
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,519
yearn for. And I think that is a reflection in

602
00:39:14,559 --> 00:39:18,280
many cases of white privilege because if you weren't white

603
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:22,679
and probably male in the nineteen fifties, in the nineteen sixties,

604
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,400
things were not necessarily all that good for you. Those

605
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:31,239
were not the good old days. But I think those

606
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:36,599
who are promised structure, I think they respond to someone

607
00:39:36,599 --> 00:39:39,599
who says I will bring structure. Plus, if someone says

608
00:39:39,639 --> 00:39:41,800
I alone can fix it, I am the chosen one.

609
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,320
Trust me, follow me. They are primed to line up

610
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,679
behind a shepherd that allows them to check out. They

611
00:39:48,679 --> 00:39:52,800
don't have to get into the messy noise, the white

612
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,519
noise of the world. They don't have to participate, they

613
00:39:55,519 --> 00:39:58,599
don't have to get their hands dirty. They can just say, ah,

614
00:39:58,679 --> 00:40:01,559
he's my guy. Let's send him off into the coliseum.

615
00:40:01,639 --> 00:40:04,280
He shall do battle in our name, and then we're

616
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,159
gonna go off and watch the Kardashians or whatever else

617
00:40:07,199 --> 00:40:09,559
they're gonna go to. I mean, I don't know if

618
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:13,119
does Maga watch Yeah, Yeah, I think they do. They do.

619
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,880
I'm thinking of one Maga right now. She is hooked

620
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,719
on The Bachelor, the Golden Bachelor, and a show called

621
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:25,079
Farmer Wants a Wife, which I'm guessing is the Bachelor

622
00:40:25,679 --> 00:40:32,360
in Hooterville, and Hooterville is the name of the town

623
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,480
from a nineteen sixties sitcom. What was the name of

624
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:41,199
that sitcom? Wasn't Green Acres? What was the one? Green

625
00:40:41,199 --> 00:40:43,960
Acres was the one with the Donna da nut Dunt

626
00:40:44,039 --> 00:40:47,239
Bump bump. Remember that song Donna do Nat dun dun

627
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:52,119
dunt dunna dunna dun dunna dunna dun dunn dun. Green

628
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,079
Acres is the place to be. I can still remember

629
00:40:55,119 --> 00:41:00,280
the song fum living is the life for me, petty

630
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:04,639
Coat Junction, petticoat Junction. Thank you very much for that.

631
00:41:07,079 --> 00:41:10,360
There was another one too, It wasn't the Andy Griffiths show.

632
00:41:12,599 --> 00:41:14,159
Hee Haw, Yeah, that was another one.

633
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 6: Man.

634
00:41:14,519 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 2: We watched a lot of he Haw growing up. Hee

635
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,960
Haw was funny Hang on your second for me at five.

636
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,480
He Haw was funny because it was targeted to conservative

637
00:41:23,519 --> 00:41:26,360
country folk because it was like people in straw hats

638
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,679
and they were sitting on hey Baale singing country songs

639
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,760
with Roy Rogers. But he Haw was loaded with women

640
00:41:32,039 --> 00:41:35,519
who were wearing these little, I don't know, tablecloth looking

641
00:41:35,639 --> 00:41:38,320
mini skirts in their boobs were busting out, you know.

642
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,440
So the wholesome family values types were totally watching. It

643
00:41:43,199 --> 00:41:47,719
was like Benny Hill with corn. That's what kee Haw

644
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,800
was like, I'm sorry, five oh five high? Are you there?

645
00:41:51,519 --> 00:41:53,079
Speaker 7: I am Seth. It's good to talk to you. My

646
00:41:53,159 --> 00:41:54,320
name is Prince Brent.

647
00:41:54,679 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 2: Welcome. Let's talk. What's your perspective on the things we

648
00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:59,320
have been speaking about?

649
00:41:59,679 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 3: Sure?

650
00:42:00,039 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 7: Absolutely, Yeah, the rural urban divide is really interesting. I

651
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,039
was actually more interested in your take on it, given

652
00:42:07,079 --> 00:42:10,559
that you were a pundit for a while and you

653
00:42:10,679 --> 00:42:13,960
know what appeals to that particular demographic. So what do

654
00:42:14,039 --> 00:42:16,480
you think is the primary separation that we're seeing?

655
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 2: Well, for me and I wrote about this in Fox News, Christian,

656
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,119
I was in a disinformation bubble. So what happened was

657
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:30,039
is they told me the left wing quote mainstream media,

658
00:42:30,599 --> 00:42:37,320
they're all infected. They're infected with permissive attitudes, godlessness, they

659
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,360
hate America. Part of that, I think had to do

660
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:44,440
with this idea that they didn't really consider our borders sacred.

661
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,480
So the one world government was part of that narrative,

662
00:42:47,519 --> 00:42:49,280
and I was taught to believe that a one world

663
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:53,000
government meant the anti Christ and the devil is going everywhere.

664
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:58,320
I remember I would leave my job at KXOJ Radio

665
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,159
and Rush Limbaugh would be on starting at one o'clock,

666
00:43:02,199 --> 00:43:04,679
so my shift ended at one. I did the morning show,

667
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:06,400
and then it was all production and other things, and

668
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,280
I would be in my car just in time for

669
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,679
the first hour of his monologue, and I would be

670
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,039
totally centered in calm, and by the time I got

671
00:43:15,079 --> 00:43:19,880
home twenty minutes later, I would be livid because what's

672
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,840
this country coming to? And those permissive, progressive, immoral people.

673
00:43:24,159 --> 00:43:27,440
I can't but they hate America. This place is going

674
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,320
to hell in a handbasket. And so I was in

675
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,639
that place where I was hyper targeted through right wing

676
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:37,800
media to believe that everybody was coming for everything I had.

677
00:43:38,159 --> 00:43:43,440
They were all godless, immoral and un American. And you know,

678
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:47,280
when you have that attitude, it is really easy to

679
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,079
other someone else. And the fact that everybody in my

680
00:43:50,159 --> 00:43:52,920
circle was like me. They were all Sunday go to

681
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:56,639
meet and church hypocrites. You know. They all listened to

682
00:43:56,679 --> 00:43:58,880
the same music, they went to the same movies, they

683
00:43:59,079 --> 00:44:02,960
talked the same way. I wasn't introduced to other people

684
00:44:03,199 --> 00:44:06,039
in any meaningful way until I got into my thirties,

685
00:44:06,039 --> 00:44:08,320
and man, it opened up my world. So that's my

686
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,599
long version of the short answer. Does that make any sense?

687
00:44:12,159 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 7: No, I gotcha, No, yeah, absolutely, thank you.

688
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:14,679
Speaker 4: Yeah.

689
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,039
Speaker 7: What I heard was number one, you kind of found

690
00:44:17,039 --> 00:44:19,400
yourself in an information silo. You were sort of stuck

691
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,800
with the same opinions with the same people all the time.

692
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,239
There was this idea of a conspiracy that kept rolling around,

693
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,840
right the rise of the Antichrist, the one world government,

694
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,360
et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, tying into religion, and

695
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,800
then this rage machine that the right wing makes this

696
00:44:36,159 --> 00:44:40,679
like just get mad about something because it sells, it sells.

697
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,599
And then the last thing you mentioned was this whole

698
00:44:43,639 --> 00:44:47,519
idea of patriotism and othering people. So, with regard to

699
00:44:47,559 --> 00:44:49,840
the rural population, what do you think would be the

700
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,719
most effective way to address those the information silo, conspiracy, religion,

701
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:55,840
rage machine or patriotism.

702
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 2: I in my own circle, when I'm not in a

703
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,559
re with people who are just as outraged and horrified

704
00:45:03,599 --> 00:45:06,000
and grieved, and we're saying all the things that were

705
00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:09,199
you know, all the primal things that emit out from

706
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:13,559
our gut. When I'm actually engaging person like the Maga

707
00:45:13,639 --> 00:45:16,239
who we were talking on the phone a couple of

708
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,719
months ago, and who I texted just a few days ago.

709
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I'm leading with questions. I'm trying to engage with a

710
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:28,559
legitimate attitude of concern without insult, in the hopes of

711
00:45:28,639 --> 00:45:33,239
planting a seed that might germinate and become something. Knowing

712
00:45:33,639 --> 00:45:36,599
not everybody can be reachable. But I'll tell you I

713
00:45:36,599 --> 00:45:39,159
haven't had a whole lot of success. I have seen

714
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,320
some people get out. There are people who are in

715
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,360
our family tree. I've got nephews and nieces. Natalie's got

716
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,159
some cousins. We didn't think they'd ever bust out of Conservatism.

717
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:55,440
They're pissed and they're going hard publicly at Trump to

718
00:45:55,559 --> 00:45:58,519
the horror of their mega family. So some people are

719
00:45:58,639 --> 00:46:03,840
getting out. Approach is imperfect. I'm just trying to speak,

720
00:46:04,039 --> 00:46:05,840
and I ate an atmosphere of no.

721
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,039
Speaker 7: Absolutely, I don't expect it. Yeah, I don't know. I

722
00:46:08,039 --> 00:46:10,519
don't expect a panacea. The people you were talking about,

723
00:46:10,519 --> 00:46:12,239
are they more of the urban population or more of

724
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,199
the rural population. The ones who are sort of turning

725
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:15,159
on Trump right now?

726
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:18,559
Speaker 2: Both there are a couple. In my mind, actually, one

727
00:46:18,599 --> 00:46:21,679
of them just moved to Massachusetts. You may have seen

728
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:25,880
that statistic where Oklahoma just got ranked fifty in education

729
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:30,440
while Massachusetts is ranked number one, and they purposefully went

730
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:30,960
online and.

731
00:46:31,079 --> 00:46:32,679
Speaker 7: Say Mexico is the last.

732
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Speaker 5: Mexico is the last.

733
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Speaker 2: Finally they left and moved out and said, FYI, I

734
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,280
am moving out of this backward ass state and I'm

735
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,800
going to Massachusetts. And she moved a few months ago

736
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,199
before this stat came out, but she's already out of here.

737
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,599
And then there was somebody else who lives in another suburb,

738
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a suburb called so Pulpa, Oklahoma, and she's pissed. So

739
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,800
I've seen city and I've seen regional and rural. I've

740
00:46:58,800 --> 00:46:59,519
seen them both.

741
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Speaker 7: Man hm, Okay, Yeah, I'm just trying to think back

742
00:47:03,119 --> 00:47:05,079
about the things that you had said about kind of

743
00:47:05,119 --> 00:47:08,400
where you were at the time that information silo, this

744
00:47:08,519 --> 00:47:12,360
conspiracy mindset tied into religion and the rage machine of

745
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,840
the right wing and patriotism and othering. I really kind

746
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:17,719
of feel like the best approach when it comes to

747
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,360
the rural population is attacking them on that level of

748
00:47:21,559 --> 00:47:24,800
patriotism and othering because they have neighbors. You know, Rural

749
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:29,000
communities are by their very nature communal, and so they

750
00:47:29,039 --> 00:47:32,519
will bond together to try to protect themselves from what

751
00:47:32,599 --> 00:47:35,480
they appear to be outsiders, and within that inside group

752
00:47:35,559 --> 00:47:39,920
there are LGBTQQIA people, there are trans people, There's all

753
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,280
sorts of neighbors that they have. So I really think

754
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,000
looking at it from the hey, you know what, these

755
00:47:44,039 --> 00:47:45,800
are our neighbors, these are our friends, these are our

756
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:49,360
fellow Americans. I think that's really the approach on the

757
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:49,960
rural side.

758
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,639
Speaker 2: But that's my take, all right. Thanks for a perspective

759
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:55,960
that we can all sort of talk about and think

760
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,000
about and show on. Thanks so much for comp.

761
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 7: Awome awesome, and I think you, yeah, thank you so much.

762
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,239
I really appreciate it, and I really appreciate what you

763
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,039
do and keep on getting on those calling shows because

764
00:48:05,079 --> 00:48:07,000
you rock those colors than anybody else in.

765
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:13,199
Speaker 2: You're very kind. We'll see you later. Thanks. He's talking

766
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:17,679
about my guest shots on the Line Network, And if

767
00:48:17,679 --> 00:48:21,480
you're not subscribed to the Line, just go on YouTube

768
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and type it in. You'll see it pops up. And

769
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:27,480
there's a whole bunch of people who co host. Matt

770
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,960
Delahunty's on there and they bring it in R and Raw,

771
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Paula Gea Eve was framed is there, Shannon q Erica

772
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:40,000
got sick given Forrest Valci and Forrest and I we

773
00:48:40,079 --> 00:48:42,519
hosted just a few days ago. Again, they like this

774
00:48:42,679 --> 00:48:47,440
pairing of me and Forrest. The dynamic of our personalities

775
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,840
apparently gels really well because you know, Forrest, he's a

776
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:56,360
Jack Russell Terrier. He's just like and me. I'm you know,

777
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,880
but I lately have been a little more animated me

778
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:06,119
maybe maybe too much so. And it is an interesting format.

779
00:49:06,199 --> 00:49:08,519
It's very much a different animal than what we do here,

780
00:49:08,599 --> 00:49:11,280
where you and I are having conversations really as a

781
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,280
as a family, as a community about the culture at large.

782
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,440
And we do have some people call in and challenge

783
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:20,119
and disagree, but it's it's a different vibe where the line,

784
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:23,000
at least when I'm co hosting the Sunday Show or

785
00:49:23,039 --> 00:49:27,199
Skep Talk is theists, mostly theists who call in and

786
00:49:27,679 --> 00:49:32,719
they are trying to explain or prove or defend God.

787
00:49:34,159 --> 00:49:38,239
And I'll tell you that's some weak sauce, man, It's

788
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:43,800
weak sauce some of these serial callers. I mean, it'll

789
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:48,920
say on the switchboard twenty six previous calls to the line, Jesus,

790
00:49:49,119 --> 00:49:51,840
I'm sorry you called twenty six times. Do you just

791
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,119
like hearing your voice on the air, because I suspect

792
00:49:55,159 --> 00:49:57,480
you just like hearing your voice on the air. And

793
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:03,199
they talk about all kinds of crazy stuff. Okay, speaking

794
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:07,320
of crazy stuff. And this clip has been around since

795
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,800
the show aired in twenty sixteen. How have I not

796
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,880
seen it until this morning? But I hadn't and it

797
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:19,519
blew my mind. This is from the Comedy Central. Triumph,

798
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:24,239
the insult comic Dog said the puppet with a cigar,

799
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and Triumph was a character. I don't know what Triumph

800
00:50:27,559 --> 00:50:31,119
is doing now, but Triumph this little rubber puppet with

801
00:50:31,159 --> 00:50:35,559
a cigar. And in the show Election Watch twenty sixteen,

802
00:50:35,679 --> 00:50:38,400
they had a survey group, so they brought in voters

803
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for Trump and they brought in voters for Clinton, and

804
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they played fake audio of the two candidates saying horrible things.

805
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And then they said, look, you know this is a

806
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:54,079
focus group. We need you to help us spin this

807
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so that it doesn't totally torpedo them in the election.

808
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You're a member of the vot voting public. What do

809
00:51:01,159 --> 00:51:04,360
you think now? I'm going to be totally upfront and

810
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,679
say that they played a bunch of bogus stuff for

811
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:11,440
Hillary and the Hillary voters, And this is proof that

812
00:51:11,639 --> 00:51:15,760
the left, progressive liberals, Democrats are not immune from in

813
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:20,360
group favoritism because they squirmed and stretched and did all that.

814
00:51:21,079 --> 00:51:23,119
They did that. But that's not the clip I'm going

815
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to play here. Because Hillary Clinton is not the president

816
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:31,159
of the United States. Hillary Clinton has not been engaging

817
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in a war to dismantle pretty much everything. It is

818
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streaming on Hulu, but it's on YouTube as well. Trump

819
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:43,480
and Clinton supporters react to shocking revelations. Okay, let me

820
00:51:43,559 --> 00:51:47,760
just play the Trump section, because these people are doing

821
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:52,079
the same shit today. Check this out.

822
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Speaker 8: Look any cameras in the dressing room, you know, cameras

823
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on the wall, cameras on the floor, aims up at

824
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:01,199
their whatever. I want the best camp shut up by

825
00:52:01,199 --> 00:52:07,199
the best Chinda mean, yeah, it's to make sure that

826
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they're say day. I mean, look, I can't be there

827
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:12,360
all day. I'll just start grabbing him.

828
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Speaker 2: Believe name for that. I mean, I'm a.

829
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Speaker 8: Man the beautiful women. It's totally natural.

830
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:18,639
Speaker 4: You know.

831
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:22,079
Speaker 8: Sometimes I'll walk in naked, so then we're all make

832
00:52:23,119 --> 00:52:25,000
you know, they file a complaint against me, I can

833
00:52:25,039 --> 00:52:28,079
file it right back at them. Jew lawyer told me

834
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that one.

835
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Speaker 4: We need to have a plan in place on how

836
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to react and respond to the stuff if its in

837
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the media.

838
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Speaker 2: Well, this is obviously old before you decided he was

839
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going to be a politician. I personally don't care. I

840
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just I just don't care.

841
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Speaker 4: I like him because he says. I like him because

842
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:51,199
he says all.

843
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 2: I really love it when he says what everybody thinks

844
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,679
and won't say. And with that personality, it goes those

845
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:57,039
kind of comments most of the time.

846
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Speaker 4: As a man, I know, I've been in a situation

847
00:52:59,679 --> 00:53:02,559
where and lots of things and we've been this man talk.

848
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:04,880
I've done it, said it, They've done it, said it.

849
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:09,480
I've been around plenty man, professional, I mean, you name it.

850
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:13,239
Every man is something says something to the facts.

851
00:53:14,199 --> 00:53:16,360
Speaker 8: You know that they'd like to put the camera in

852
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:18,639
a teenage great change.

853
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:21,079
Speaker 2: All right, we're going to move on to the next one.

854
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,559
We'll be back with lots more of Donald Trump. Don't

855
00:53:25,559 --> 00:53:28,159
go away, Okay?

856
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:30,519
Speaker 8: So am I doing all right, Larry, Because I'm a

857
00:53:30,559 --> 00:53:32,840
little woozy. I just get back from giving blood for

858
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:33,960
this fraternity test.

859
00:53:34,679 --> 00:53:35,800
Speaker 2: So what do they have to say?

860
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 8: It's rivoka double checking that she's really my daughter. You know,

861
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:42,480
I don't want to go my whole life and find

862
00:53:42,519 --> 00:53:45,840
out that she was fair game after all, you know, boom,

863
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,679
it's just that she's voluptuous, successful and you know, frankly,

864
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:51,519
I heard she's great in bed and we're back in

865
00:53:51,679 --> 00:53:55,480
five okay? Or does oral cameras interest and we're.

866
00:53:55,320 --> 00:54:01,039
Speaker 2: Back don will be the wall over the board tonight. Okay?

867
00:54:01,039 --> 00:54:04,440
So how do you feel about this one? He's complimenting

868
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:13,639
his daughter like in his How jaw droppingly unbelievably creepy

869
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:17,599
is that? And how many of those people go to

870
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:20,480
church on Sunday and worship them some Jesus?

871
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:22,679
Speaker 7: You know?

872
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 2: He says it like it is. He says the things.

873
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,039
I mean, this is just how guys talk. Well, he

874
00:54:27,199 --> 00:54:32,599
was complimenting his daughter, Are you shitting me? And then

875
00:54:32,639 --> 00:54:36,960
I think there's no reasoning with that. It's not reasoning yet.

876
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,519
The one thing I do when I have heard a

877
00:54:40,519 --> 00:54:42,920
few people say this, well, he says it like it is.

878
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:46,320
He's imperfect or whatnot. And this was an issue with

879
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:48,599
grabb him by the pussy and moved on her like

880
00:54:48,639 --> 00:54:51,880
a bitch and the miss teen USA dressing rooms. And

881
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:56,559
my tactic there is to insert proper names or direct relatives.

882
00:54:57,519 --> 00:54:59,239
So I'll say, well, what if it was your daughter

883
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:03,199
CHRISTI and Christy was in a beauty pageant and she

884
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:07,840
was naked or almost naked, and Trump came in, I mean,

885
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,199
and someone told you about that. He came in just

886
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:12,800
to check out your hot daughter. How'd you feel about that?

887
00:55:13,679 --> 00:55:16,840
What if it was your wife whose pussy was grabbed?

888
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:19,880
What if it was your mother who was raped in

889
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,599
a dressing room in an apartment store back in the

890
00:55:22,679 --> 00:55:24,760
nineteen nine What if he'd raped your mom? What if

891
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,519
your mom had come back and said, I accuse this

892
00:55:27,639 --> 00:55:29,840
man of sexual assault. What if she was one of

893
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:33,159
the twenty eight or whoever who have come forward like that,

894
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:36,000
how would you feel about it? That seems to make

895
00:55:36,039 --> 00:55:38,559
a little bit of headway. They won't admit it in

896
00:55:38,599 --> 00:55:41,039
the moment, but you can totally see them for the

897
00:55:41,079 --> 00:55:45,519
first time. They're having to do personalize, take personally this

898
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:48,599
idea of sexual assault. But the fact that that's what

899
00:55:48,679 --> 00:55:52,679
it takes is terrifying to me and to you. I'm

900
00:55:52,719 --> 00:56:02,199
sure he was complimenting his daughter. Oh my god. I

901
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,320
get to take a break and I'll be back and

902
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:15,519
we'll take more of your calls. I so appreciate your support.

903
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,719
On Patreon. It makes a difference. So if you want

904
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:23,079
to support the broadcast with I don't know, a pledge.

905
00:56:23,159 --> 00:56:25,239
I hate the word pledge, but you know you can

906
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:28,079
support per show. Have very many shows a month that

907
00:56:28,159 --> 00:56:31,519
you want. You choose the dollar figure you set the terms.

908
00:56:31,559 --> 00:56:36,760
Go to patreon dot com slash Seth Andrews and thank

909
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:42,440
you so much. Peggy is dialing in from area code

910
00:56:42,519 --> 00:56:46,239
for zero four. Peggy, thanks for your patients. Are you there?

911
00:56:46,679 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 3: I am Jeth.

912
00:56:48,159 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 2: I'm so good, you know, except for the fact that

913
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:54,440
the country's on fire and there's a fascist takeover and

914
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,880
I'm worried about the collective IQ of half of the country.

915
00:56:59,039 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 3: And uh and that's why I appreciate you.

916
00:57:02,199 --> 00:57:04,039
Speaker 2: Oh okay, all right, I'm sorry. I didn't need to

917
00:57:04,039 --> 00:57:06,559
be a you and your show well hit me, Peggy

918
00:57:06,639 --> 00:57:07,239
was on your line.

919
00:57:08,079 --> 00:57:11,639
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, this show is my life what you're talking

920
00:57:11,639 --> 00:57:15,079
about here, because I was born in Chicago. We had

921
00:57:15,119 --> 00:57:18,559
to move to Tennessee when I was sick, so all

922
00:57:18,639 --> 00:57:21,840
of my education was in the South. And now I've

923
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:27,159
been living in Atlanta for almost thirty years and where

924
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,239
I'm in the only blue dot in a big red

925
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:32,880
state like you were, talking about. And all of my

926
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:36,480
family that I have left is still in Tennessee, very

927
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:41,679
mega fundamentalist Christians, including a friend that I used to

928
00:57:41,719 --> 00:57:43,679
go to church with because I used to be also

929
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:49,719
and my sister, who is my closest family member. I

930
00:57:49,719 --> 00:57:53,119
didn't even know she thought that she had any racist

931
00:57:53,239 --> 00:57:57,079
or fundamentalist thoughts until twenty seventeen, which was, you know,

932
00:57:57,239 --> 00:57:59,719
Trump's first year in office. And I do think that

933
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:04,719
a lot lot of what that he just gives people

934
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:07,639
permission to say their hate out loud. You know, It's

935
00:58:07,679 --> 00:58:11,119
like they were validated in what they always believed somehow.

936
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And I know that my oldest sister was the first

937
00:58:15,559 --> 00:58:18,079
person my mom's side of the family to go to

938
00:58:18,079 --> 00:58:20,599
college and always the second, and we have lots of

939
00:58:20,719 --> 00:58:24,639
cousins there, and it was really considered disloyal to go

940
00:58:24,719 --> 00:58:28,000
away to college. You shouldn't leave the family or the

941
00:58:28,079 --> 00:58:31,280
country and go where there's all these other people with

942
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:33,719
all these other ways of thinking and all these races.

943
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:35,599
It was just like, why in the world would you

944
00:58:35,719 --> 00:58:40,280
even want to do that? And so it is heartbreaking

945
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:43,119
to me that my sister and I, in order to

946
00:58:43,159 --> 00:58:47,159
stay in communication, can no longer talk about religion or politics,

947
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:51,480
which are both like pretty much all I'm thinking about lately.

948
00:58:52,119 --> 00:58:57,360
So we talk about family, we have to leave everything

949
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:01,800
else out. I certainly have friend's high school friends on

950
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,559
Facebook that I see them post things from time to time,

951
00:59:04,639 --> 00:59:09,159
and I used to mean mag of people who are

952
00:59:09,199 --> 00:59:13,320
maga now, So in high school, those things weren't even issues.

953
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 7: We didn't need.

954
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 3: I remember even talking about religion and politics and the fooste,

955
00:59:17,639 --> 00:59:21,280
which is when I was in high school, and at

956
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:23,599
first I would think, I just need to post the

957
00:59:23,679 --> 00:59:29,239
facts because they're believing this crazy stuff. Just post the

958
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:32,400
truth and that'll matter, and I realized it didn't at all,

959
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:34,639
and some of the things they would say back would

960
00:59:34,679 --> 00:59:38,440
be so despicable. One woman said something so despicable. I

961
00:59:38,559 --> 00:59:42,320
just gave up trying to even just counter with facts,

962
00:59:42,519 --> 00:59:47,400
with not criticizing anybody, not putting anybody down. But it

963
00:59:47,559 --> 00:59:51,480
just didn't seem to matter, because their choices and their

964
00:59:51,519 --> 00:59:54,559
beliefs right now are based on emotion and also very

965
00:59:54,639 --> 00:59:57,800
much based on their religions, and they trust their pastors.

966
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:02,159
So if they're told that the church, especially, you can't

967
01:00:02,239 --> 01:00:05,599
challenge it. And I am just a hipster. It's just

968
01:00:05,639 --> 01:00:08,199
because I eat kale and recycle makes me you know,

969
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:12,119
somebody who thinks she's better than everybody else.

970
01:00:12,199 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 2: So you hippie, But I you liberal hippie. You wanting

971
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,760
to make the world a better place and eating kale.

972
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,800
I mean, what's this country coming to. We're all a

973
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:25,760
bunch of cow eaters here in the United States. I

974
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:27,599
know what you mean when it comes to trying to

975
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:30,519
make a dent with facts. Just a few days ago,

976
01:00:30,639 --> 01:00:34,400
Donald Trump made the outrageous claim that he had reduced

977
01:00:34,599 --> 01:00:40,239
the cost of pharmaceutical drugs by one thousand, five hundred percent.

978
01:00:41,039 --> 01:00:43,920
And so I said to a maga Trump supporter in

979
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:47,039
my circle, I said, you realize that Trump just made

980
01:00:47,079 --> 01:00:51,079
the claim that the pharmaceutical companies are now paying us

981
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:55,039
when we buy their drugs. Well, how do you explain that?

982
01:00:55,639 --> 01:00:59,320
And there was no response. Totally got ghosted, like I

983
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,320
think they should down and went la la la la

984
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:04,280
la la in their mind and they didn't even want

985
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:05,960
to talk about it. And there's a lot of that

986
01:01:06,079 --> 01:01:08,079
going on in there, Peggy, A lot.

987
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's usually that's what would happen so much

988
01:01:11,039 --> 01:01:13,880
in discussions with my sister, was just I would say

989
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:19,079
something logical back like, well, what about January sixth? I mean, like,

990
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:23,960
how do you reconcile him trying to overthrow the entire government?

991
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:26,039
And she actually said, well, I don't know about that.

992
01:01:26,519 --> 01:01:29,119
Speaker 2: Well, what I hear is what about the riots in Portland?

993
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:32,840
Or didn't you see the other side of the Pentagon

994
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:36,440
where the police officers were allowing protesters to come in

995
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,639
and take a little you know, meandering walk through the

996
01:01:39,679 --> 01:01:44,599
halls in a very peaceful way. Why aren't they being acknowledged?

997
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:48,119
Or I guess that's an inside job conspiracy theory, or

998
01:01:48,159 --> 01:01:50,199
maybe Antifa as part of it. I don't know. There's

999
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:53,320
there's always an excuse, isn't there there is?

1000
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 3: I mean, she does have a ready answer until I

1001
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:59,440
say something logical that really is based in back, and

1002
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:01,800
then she really doesn't have anything to come back with,

1003
01:02:02,119 --> 01:02:04,079
and then she has to hang up, she has to go,

1004
01:02:05,559 --> 01:02:07,400
you know, and she just cuts it off, and she says,

1005
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:08,880
I'm not cutting you off. I just got to fixed

1006
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:10,239
in her, I'm not cutting you off. But I just

1007
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:14,679
bet she obviously is. And so I've just quit because honestly,

1008
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:18,119
I feel so much anger, and I love her. She

1009
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:22,159
is my younger sister, and I want to stay close

1010
01:02:22,199 --> 01:02:25,639
to her. But the things that she believes now and

1011
01:02:25,679 --> 01:02:29,559
she's not a stupid person. She's not ignorant. And that's

1012
01:02:29,599 --> 01:02:32,239
another thing that confuses me. I know some people who

1013
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:36,559
I hey consider very smart, who still voted for Trump

1014
01:02:36,559 --> 01:02:38,719
three times. I don't know what they all think now

1015
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:43,880
because I haven't been communicated with them anymore. But they

1016
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:47,519
aren't stupid people, and I just it's just so baffling

1017
01:02:47,599 --> 01:02:50,679
to me that they don't want to look at like

1018
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:53,239
it's worth it to not have to see gay people

1019
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:56,440
on commercials. So what if people are being snatched off

1020
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:59,239
the street and being treated like dogs. You know, I

1021
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:01,559
don't have to watch gay people on commercials where I

1022
01:03:01,639 --> 01:03:02,280
live anymore.

1023
01:03:02,599 --> 01:03:05,559
Speaker 2: Without being pedantic, I want to draw a quick distinction,

1024
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:08,880
and I know you mean this distinction ignorance and stupidity.

1025
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:11,039
I don't think of the same thing. I mean ignorance

1026
01:03:11,079 --> 01:03:14,519
being the lack of knowledge, even willful ignorance. I think

1027
01:03:14,559 --> 01:03:19,400
ignorance can be fixed. I do worry that stupid is forever.

1028
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:22,440
You know, there is someone who you can give them

1029
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:24,599
all of the you can educate them, you can give

1030
01:03:24,639 --> 01:03:27,639
them the info that they need, and they will still

1031
01:03:28,199 --> 01:03:32,519
reject it or twist it, distort it. You know, I

1032
01:03:32,559 --> 01:03:36,440
think ignorance and stupidity are two different things. Hell, I'm

1033
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:40,159
ignorant about a ton of stuff, and yeah, i'd like

1034
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:43,679
to think that I don't walk through my day stupidly.

1035
01:03:44,119 --> 01:03:47,199
And you and I share that frustration. And I think

1036
01:03:47,239 --> 01:03:49,400
a lot of people listening to the sound of your voice,

1037
01:03:49,599 --> 01:03:52,679
they've gone through the same things. If politics or religion

1038
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:57,320
comes up during the holidays, it's gonna be thunder doome.

1039
01:03:57,519 --> 01:03:59,840
So it's better that we just shut up and everything

1040
01:04:00,119 --> 01:04:03,280
sort of under the surface. Let's get through the day.

1041
01:04:03,639 --> 01:04:08,360
But I'm frustrated, I'm heartbroken, I'm angry, and that's just

1042
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:10,519
where we are. And so I think a lot of

1043
01:04:10,519 --> 01:04:12,280
people relate to that, Peggy.

1044
01:04:12,559 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it makes me feel not genuine anymore when

1045
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:19,159
I'm around them, And it's heartbreaking to me that our

1046
01:04:19,159 --> 01:04:22,039
relationship has to be superficial now, which is how it

1047
01:04:22,039 --> 01:04:24,559
feels to me. Was that to talk about everything?

1048
01:04:24,719 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 2: Was that a discussion that you had not to be labored?

1049
01:04:27,559 --> 01:04:30,239
You know the point? But did you say, Okay, from

1050
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:32,760
now on, we need to talk about other things, no

1051
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:34,800
more religion and politics.

1052
01:04:35,079 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 3: Yes, we both agreed on that because we both got

1053
01:04:38,639 --> 01:04:39,360
so angry.

1054
01:04:40,239 --> 01:04:43,119
Speaker 2: I don't bring it up around my family, but I'll

1055
01:04:43,119 --> 01:04:46,079
tell you I don't really see my family anymore. I

1056
01:04:46,079 --> 01:04:49,559
don't want to be around them. I'm pissed. Yeah, you know,

1057
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:53,519
I'm mad. I'm just so outraged, and I'm having a

1058
01:04:53,519 --> 01:04:55,159
hard time being in the same room with him. So

1059
01:04:55,239 --> 01:04:58,239
I've just opted out. But I've come to the point

1060
01:04:58,239 --> 01:04:59,920
now where if I'm in the room and I find

1061
01:05:00,039 --> 01:05:03,519
an opportunity, I just don't think I'm going to hold

1062
01:05:03,559 --> 01:05:06,440
my tongue. I think I'm done, and I don't know

1063
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:08,480
what that's going to mean. I don't know what the

1064
01:05:08,559 --> 01:05:12,360
response is going to be, but I'm kind of past caring.

1065
01:05:13,159 --> 01:05:17,639
I don't know, Peggy, I'm a mess. I'm a mess,

1066
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:18,079
you know.

1067
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:19,920
Speaker 3: I know I want to stick a fork in my

1068
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:25,039
eye too, but I don't. The last time I was there,

1069
01:05:25,119 --> 01:05:28,280
which was just a couple of months ago, nobody brought

1070
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:30,599
it up. You know, I feel like you do. I

1071
01:05:30,599 --> 01:05:32,719
think if somebody brought it up, I wouldn't be able

1072
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:34,960
to hold my tongue. But we all have this silent

1073
01:05:35,039 --> 01:05:38,559
agreement now and then when I say, ah, it's really

1074
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:40,800
my sister is about the only one I have left

1075
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:44,039
to have some nieces and nephews, but the rest of

1076
01:05:44,079 --> 01:05:46,599
our family have all passed on. And that's another reason

1077
01:05:46,639 --> 01:05:48,559
I think why it's so important to both of us

1078
01:05:48,639 --> 01:05:52,639
to stay connected somehow, because there's not many of us left,

1079
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:56,039
and I would if it came up, I wouldn't be

1080
01:05:56,039 --> 01:05:59,199
able to hold my tongue. But that's why being quiet

1081
01:05:59,519 --> 01:06:03,519
is hurt It's not just frustrating, it's hurtful. And I'm

1082
01:06:03,559 --> 01:06:06,880
so I'm just I don't I'm so angry that my

1083
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:11,159
last years are spent in this environment. You know that

1084
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:13,400
we've been sort divided, and I lived I was in

1085
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:16,199
high school in the sixties. I remember nineteen sixty eight

1086
01:06:16,239 --> 01:06:18,320
and all the horrendous things that were going on all

1087
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:21,679
through the sixties, and I don't know that this time

1088
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:24,239
was worse yet, it's just different in the way that

1089
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:27,639
it's worse. And we did kind of come out of that,

1090
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:30,360
but maybe not really. All of this has been under

1091
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:34,159
the surface and people got more politically correct, I guess,

1092
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:38,480
and Trump gave them permission to stop being politically correct

1093
01:06:38,519 --> 01:06:41,119
and just let it all hang out. And now it's

1094
01:06:41,159 --> 01:06:43,719
a big old fight, and I'll stop talking.

1095
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:47,239
Speaker 2: You're finding Peggy well, You've given us a lot to

1096
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:51,760
think about, and I feel your pain. I relate to

1097
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:55,199
completely to your situation. Peggy. It's so good to talk

1098
01:06:55,239 --> 01:06:56,360
to you and be safe out there.

1099
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:59,239
Speaker 3: Okay, thank you for taking my call. I appreciate you.

1100
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:03,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see. Catherine is dialing in from nine to

1101
01:07:03,119 --> 01:07:07,079
three seven. Thanks for your patience. Are you there, Catherine, Yes,

1102
01:07:07,159 --> 01:07:07,599
I'm here.

1103
01:07:07,719 --> 01:07:08,280
Speaker 6: Can you hear me?

1104
01:07:08,519 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 2: I can? Indeed? What's on your mind?

1105
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:16,079
Speaker 6: So I am a mental health counseling student and I'm

1106
01:07:16,119 --> 01:07:21,480
actually taking some classes about rural mental health. The program

1107
01:07:21,599 --> 01:07:24,320
I'm in has one of the only rural mental health

1108
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:27,920
certificates in the country, so I was like, oh, I

1109
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:31,039
might have some insight. I guess that maybe some other

1110
01:07:31,079 --> 01:07:34,599
folks might not have. But I just wanted to say

1111
01:07:34,599 --> 01:07:38,199
that I think the conversations you have been having are

1112
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:42,719
really interesting. And one of the things I've been learning

1113
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:46,719
is that rurality is really hard to define, Like for

1114
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:51,719
research purposes, there's not really like an agreed upon definition

1115
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:56,639
of what rural really means. So that complicates like how

1116
01:07:56,679 --> 01:08:01,199
we can study the mindset of people in rural because

1117
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:04,559
nobody can really agree like what is rural? You know,

1118
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:08,239
is it resources, is it how many people live in

1119
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:12,840
an area, things like that. Nobody really agrees, but one

1120
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:15,800
of the pattern I see is that rural people tend

1121
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:20,640
to have lower mental health outcomes, There's higher rates of suicide,

1122
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:27,199
less access to resource and material and economic conditions are

1123
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:32,800
poorer in rural areas. Not saying that everybody's struggling right now, obviously,

1124
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:36,680
but it's I think something to consider that these areas

1125
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:41,399
are really struggling economically, you know, access to healthcare, things

1126
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:44,640
like that. So do Yeah, that's my I guess.

1127
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:48,680
Speaker 2: That's my No, no, no, I'm so glad for your perspective, Catherine.

1128
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:52,640
When I read the article at the beginning, the author

1129
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:56,800
was speaking to a kind of resentment to I don't

1130
01:08:56,840 --> 01:09:01,079
know them, city dwelling elites that are in different or

1131
01:09:01,199 --> 01:09:05,199
callous about the problems of heartland Americans. Do you feel

1132
01:09:05,239 --> 01:09:07,399
like there's merit to that? Was there resentment in the

1133
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:11,359
rural areas thinking well, those those city dwellers don't they

1134
01:09:11,399 --> 01:09:13,279
don't know us, they don't get us, they don't care,

1135
01:09:13,319 --> 01:09:14,079
so screw them.

1136
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:17,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, I definitely think there is, Like you're talking about

1137
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:20,600
this othering, and I think there probably is that for

1138
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:26,239
urban folks. I know in my training that there are

1139
01:09:26,319 --> 01:09:29,399
challenges for being a mental health provider in rural areas

1140
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:31,880
because like ethics are a little bit different, you know,

1141
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:35,319
like if you're in a community, like your privacy has

1142
01:09:35,359 --> 01:09:40,319
to be like really really really really strong. Not that

1143
01:09:40,359 --> 01:09:42,239
it shouldn't be everywhere, but you know what I mean,

1144
01:09:42,359 --> 01:09:44,920
Like if you're like, oh, hey, Bob, I just had

1145
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:47,960
a session with you, you know, like at a grocery store,

1146
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:52,279
and like urban areas, you don't get that interaction, if

1147
01:09:52,279 --> 01:09:55,399
that makes sense. And I guess my point is that

1148
01:09:56,079 --> 01:10:01,079
I do think that while the res might not be

1149
01:10:01,279 --> 01:10:05,600
valid or understandable, I do think resources have been pulled

1150
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:08,319
away from these areas for so long, Like some of

1151
01:10:08,319 --> 01:10:11,520
the things I've been learning, you know, state legislatures they

1152
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:15,600
don't support rural areas at all. They don't support urban areas.

1153
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:18,920
They don't support anybody. You know, there's funding, there's bills

1154
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:23,039
that are they try to progress these areas economically, and

1155
01:10:23,119 --> 01:10:27,279
they get you know, they don't get past legislative bodies.

1156
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:32,680
So I think it's really complicated, and I think the

1157
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:35,520
material conditions of it all for all of us are

1158
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:39,479
important to recognize. Like people are just like really struggling,

1159
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:45,880
And I think that does breed resentments.

1160
01:10:44,199 --> 01:10:47,399
Speaker 2: When uh yeah, it comes to the subject of psychology.

1161
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:51,720
Here in heartland, Red state, Oklahoma, I was trained to

1162
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:58,039
distrust mental health professionals like, you know, psychologists, psychiatrists, et cetera.

1163
01:10:58,199 --> 01:11:01,000
You know, in the in the Blue States, the Blue areas.

1164
01:11:01,079 --> 01:11:03,600
Rather you know, they're all going to their therapist every

1165
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:07,600
day and they're weeping about their problems. And we were

1166
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:10,920
trained to think, will either suck it up, buttercup or

1167
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:14,840
the psychologist and the mental health professionals are dealing with

1168
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:19,359
things like depression because it's a spiritual issue, or they're

1169
01:11:19,359 --> 01:11:23,520
indoctrinating their patients. Any merit to that one.

1170
01:11:23,239 --> 01:11:27,079
Speaker 6: Thousand percent, Yes, And I think that that stigma still

1171
01:11:27,279 --> 01:11:32,000
very much exists, and that's another challenge of reaching folks,

1172
01:11:32,399 --> 01:11:35,680
I honestly think everywhere. I don't live in a rural

1173
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:38,359
area myself, but I've worked in community and mental health

1174
01:11:38,359 --> 01:11:42,960
in an urban area, and that stigma is everywhere people. Really,

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I think it's weird because, like, mental health is so

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physical and vice versa. Physical health is very mental as well,

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but we treat mental health like it's different because it

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presents differently. But yes, you are absolutely right. And that's

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another challenge of reaching rural people, overcoming that stigma and

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recognizing like, hey, it's okay if these spiritual things help you.

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Because I'm I'm I'm an atheist, but I as a

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mental health professional, I'm trained to be not biased and

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to support someone if someone is a religious person and

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they find feeling in their faith, to not discount that.

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And that has been really interesting for me to explore

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01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:33,920
my own biases as an atheist, because in the beginning

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of my career, I'm like, oh, you know, that feels weird.

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But I think of it more of like a psychological

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or sociological tool for people. You know, I don't believe

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01:12:44,319 --> 01:12:48,239
in the evidentiary, you know, merits of religion, but if

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01:12:48,239 --> 01:12:50,920
that's what's helping that person, I'm not going to discount

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it either. So I think a challenge for understanding rural

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01:12:56,279 --> 01:13:00,640
folks is recognizing the biases that are built into their

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culture and their environments, and also recognizing that each rural

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01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:10,000
community is different. I think we paint like a broad

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01:13:10,079 --> 01:13:14,800
brush of like it's white and it's idyllic, but really

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01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:18,359
like rural areas are pretty diverse. That's what the research says,

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which is interesting. I didn't know that it is.

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Speaker 2: Very much a community thing with the church. Get I

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take some heat. In fact, I'm releasing an interview in

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a few days with a Christian who is an ally

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01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:38,119
and someone I admire tremendously, and you know, some people

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01:13:38,159 --> 01:13:41,039
don't get that. And I really think most people use

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01:13:41,359 --> 01:13:44,560
church for a sense of belonging and structure and family.

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I'm not defending the theology, nor am I saying we

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01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:49,920
don't have those discussions, but you're right that we on

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01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:54,479
the other side can be very uncharitable. Religion is a

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01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:57,920
mental illness and bullshit like that. I also think it's interesting,

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01:13:57,960 --> 01:14:01,279
and since you're a mental health student as well, people

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01:14:01,359 --> 01:14:04,199
like to separate the body and the brain, like you know,

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01:14:04,239 --> 01:14:07,279
we have organs like the lungs and the heart and

1212
01:14:07,319 --> 01:14:09,680
the liver and the kidneys, but somehow we don't treat

1213
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:12,199
the brain like part of the body. We say, well,

1214
01:14:12,279 --> 01:14:15,119
is it a mental illness or is it a physical illness?

1215
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:18,840
But there really isn't a distinction. The brain is an organ.

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01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:23,680
Speaker 6: Right absolutely, one hundred percent, and our physical health affects

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01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:27,840
us mentally. You know, there's a connection between for example,

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01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:33,079
cancer and depression. A lot of people with cancer develop depression,

1219
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:36,680
and there's complex reasons why that happens. But we can't

1220
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:40,159
separate folks. We can't separate mental health from physical health

1221
01:14:40,199 --> 01:14:43,479
because there's this one and the same. But the stigma

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01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:46,920
of mental health in rural areas is really high. I

1223
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:50,079
did a paper on suicide in rural areas, and there

1224
01:14:50,119 --> 01:14:53,760
are more suicides for rural folks. So I guess, just

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01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:55,439
like food for thought.

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Speaker 2: Is the suicide because of a hopelessness they're locked into

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01:15:01,359 --> 01:15:04,880
a cycle of failure or I mean, what do you

1228
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:09,880
think drives the higher statistics for suicide in these rural areas.

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01:15:11,159 --> 01:15:15,000
Speaker 6: I think it's really that's a super complicated question and

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01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:18,800
I don't know if anybody has the answer, but from

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01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:20,640
the research I've done, and there's not a lot of

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01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:24,039
research out there, so this is another thing. We need

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01:15:24,079 --> 01:15:28,159
to just research rural people more. There's just not enough.

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01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:32,720
But I think definitely hopelessness and I also think that

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middle aged men are really at risk for suicide, and

1236
01:15:39,319 --> 01:15:42,199
in rural areas, they also have access to firearms, So

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01:15:42,239 --> 01:15:46,920
I think that that combination of factors is definitely at

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01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:49,960
play there. But I also think that the stigma and

1239
01:15:50,079 --> 01:15:52,560
lack of access to mental health care. If they don't

1240
01:15:53,359 --> 01:15:57,439
have the resources, they don't have the therapist they can call,

1241
01:15:57,520 --> 01:16:00,239
they don't have the mobile crisis team that can go

1242
01:16:00,359 --> 01:16:04,199
out to them. You know, Trump is defunding nine to

1243
01:16:04,239 --> 01:16:08,960
eight eight, which is horrible. You know, the suicide hotline,

1244
01:16:09,279 --> 01:16:12,600
it's all these Yeah, it is complicated, but I do

1245
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:16,039
think there's just this perfect storm of things that are happening.

1246
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Speaker 2: I think an ingredient of that too. And this is

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very much true in Oklahoma is men are still sort

1248
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of taught that old school model where if you were

1249
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:31,079
to admit that you had depression or that you were

1250
01:16:31,119 --> 01:16:34,760
struggling mentally, that's weakness. You know, men are strong. Men

1251
01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:38,039
have to suck it up and buckle up and pull

1252
01:16:38,079 --> 01:16:40,720
themselves up by their bootstraps and put on the brave

1253
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:44,079
face and go out and be John Wayne. And it

1254
01:16:44,079 --> 01:16:47,359
doesn't mean that all of those psychological issues and the

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01:16:47,359 --> 01:16:50,119
heartache and the baggage and all of the stuff they

1256
01:16:50,199 --> 01:16:53,000
drag around isn't there. But many don't have the tool set,

1257
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:56,520
you know, they were never taught how to navigate that.

1258
01:16:56,640 --> 01:17:00,560
And then cultural pressure is bottle it up, don't say anything,

1259
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:02,640
or else they're going to think you're a pansy, you know,

1260
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:03,439
something like that.

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Speaker 6: Yep, absolutely, one hundred percent. That is definitely a factor

1262
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as well. I've learned so much from the classes I've taken.

1263
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The professor that teaches the class is one of the

1264
01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:19,880
leading researchers in this area, in the whole world, which

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01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:22,439
is really cool. And so yeah, I don't know, just

1266
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:32,000
considering that everybody's struggling everywhere, including in rural areas, and I,

1267
01:17:32,039 --> 01:17:34,960
you know, listening to Peggy and how do you talk

1268
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:37,960
to your family members, I don't know. I I struggle

1269
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:40,000
with the same things. I don't talk to my dad

1270
01:17:40,039 --> 01:17:44,800
because he's a Trump supporter, mega ultra Catholic nationalist person.

1271
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:47,600
I don't know. But you know, if you have moments

1272
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:50,119
where you can show kindness to someone even that you

1273
01:17:50,159 --> 01:17:52,479
disagree with, it might, I don't know, it might make

1274
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a difference.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so hard.

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01:17:59,600 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 6: I know.

1277
01:18:00,319 --> 01:18:02,920
Speaker 2: It's massy Catherine, No, no, no, no, no, I'm on

1278
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:06,439
your page. And this is a refreshing injection of compassion

1279
01:18:07,039 --> 01:18:10,720
and perspective into the final chapter of the show here.

1280
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:12,920
And it's so good to talk to you, so all

1281
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:15,800
my best in your studies and let's talk again down

1282
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:16,159
the road.

1283
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Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, for sure. And thank you for all that

1284
01:18:19,079 --> 01:18:21,760
you do. You've been in inspiration for me. You actually

1285
01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:24,880
have been an example of empathy for me.

1286
01:18:25,199 --> 01:18:29,720
Speaker 2: So really, because I'm struggling with empathy these days. I'm

1287
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:34,960
telling you, I'm just well, I'm struggling, but but I'm trying,

1288
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:36,840
and the fact that you picked up on that is

1289
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:39,920
just a huge gift to me. Thanks for the kind words.

1290
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Be safe out there, okay, of course, we'll see you later.

1291
01:18:45,119 --> 01:18:47,720
I had my moments. I mean I posted something on

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Facebook just recently and it was somebody holding up a

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01:18:51,279 --> 01:18:54,079
sign and it said, in this house we say please,

1294
01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:59,720
thank you and fuck Trump, and I stamp you know what,

1295
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:02,279
And I actually wrote this. I'll read it to you

1296
01:19:02,319 --> 01:19:05,720
to finish the show today. I don't despise him for

1297
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:11,239
the sake of hate. I hate the cruelty, stupidity, and grift,

1298
01:19:12,479 --> 01:19:15,840
the fact that he's only happy when aggrandizing himself, creeping

1299
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:20,840
on women, or insulting others. His cartoonish lies, embraced by

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01:19:21,079 --> 01:19:25,479
fools don is everything parents teach their children not to

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01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:30,199
be egotistical, greedy, a bully, a deceiver, a predator who

1302
01:19:30,239 --> 01:19:36,000
ranks himself by pussy's grabbed golden trinkets sold and detractors punished.

1303
01:19:36,359 --> 01:19:40,840
He's a best friend of Ebstein, the guy trolling Miss

1304
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:47,039
teen USA dressing rooms, a federally convicted rapist. Is it

1305
01:19:47,159 --> 01:19:52,079
Trump Derangement syndrome to strongly opposed the dismantling of decorum,

1306
01:19:52,119 --> 01:19:55,960
democracy and decency, or is it rather TDS to be

1307
01:19:56,039 --> 01:20:01,239
a red hatted enabler. I only say fuck Trump because

1308
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:08,560
stronger language evades me. That's how I feel about the man.

1309
01:20:10,279 --> 01:20:16,920
But I'm trying with this cult. I'm trying, trying to

1310
01:20:17,279 --> 01:20:23,920
looking for a breakthrough. I don't know. Appreciate your perspective

1311
01:20:24,359 --> 01:20:28,600
on the broadcast today, and I appreciate so much your support, encouragement,

1312
01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:32,640
and community. I'll see you next time and we'll do

1313
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:33,079
it again.

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