WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:04.320 We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers 2 00:00:04.320 --> 00:00:05.160 of dreams. 3 00:00:23.960 --> 00:00:27.160 Imagine what would it happen if we had and attracted 4 00:00:27.239 --> 00:00:30.280 the magic we had back when we couldn't fathom life 5 00:00:30.399 --> 00:00:33.159 is a fantasy, not with the fanity, not the way 6 00:00:33.240 --> 00:00:35.600 it was back then. So I grabbed my pan and 7 00:00:35.679 --> 00:00:38.600 write it down like a scripture. Missed the mistic making 8 00:00:38.679 --> 00:00:41.200 hits for the Misfits, the show where you don't know 9 00:00:41.359 --> 00:00:42.280 what you don't know? 10 00:00:42.359 --> 00:00:47.159 When it's on again with Sewn and Jonathan. Welcome to Metimistics, 11 00:00:47.479 --> 00:00:51.520 where you don't know what you don't know. My name's Jonathan, 12 00:00:52.000 --> 00:00:54.679 I'm Sean, and today we have a very special first 13 00:00:54.719 --> 00:00:59.960 time guest. Welcome to the show. Thomas Hatsis hey man 14 00:01:00.039 --> 00:01:03.679 and really looking forward to this. And from from a 15 00:01:03.679 --> 00:01:07.760 lot of your content, I see that you are right 16 00:01:07.879 --> 00:01:13.159 up our alley as far as understanding magic, and you 17 00:01:13.280 --> 00:01:15.599 just got done talking about your alter being over there. 18 00:01:15.680 --> 00:01:18.280 We're like, you're a real life wizard and we want 19 00:01:18.319 --> 00:01:22.120 to talk to you. So how did you get into 20 00:01:22.120 --> 00:01:23.239 all that in the first place? 21 00:01:23.719 --> 00:01:25.760 I just pretty much my whole life. I think there 22 00:01:25.799 --> 00:01:27.840 was a lot. I know, that's like the shittiest senseorever. 23 00:01:28.200 --> 00:01:28.920 Oh wait, could I. 24 00:01:28.879 --> 00:01:31.239 Say that, Yeah, of course, yeah, I. 25 00:01:31.519 --> 00:01:33.799 Like I even I can say so, oh my whole life, 26 00:01:33.799 --> 00:01:36.480 like what a what a shallow? And there I just 27 00:01:36.519 --> 00:01:39.599 did it. No, you know, you just you sort of 28 00:01:39.640 --> 00:01:45.719 have these feelings, you're you're sort of attracted to it. 29 00:01:45.879 --> 00:01:50.400 Like so growing up I liked the tell the show 30 00:01:50.519 --> 00:01:52.879 duct Tails if you ever heard of it, yep, and 31 00:01:53.480 --> 00:01:57.239 the episodes that had to do with like witches or 32 00:01:57.280 --> 00:01:59.840 wizards or anything like that. I just sort of gravitated 33 00:02:00.200 --> 00:02:04.599 towards that. And then in my I don't remember how 34 00:02:04.640 --> 00:02:08.479 old I was, maybe eleven, twelve, thirteen, somewhere around there. 35 00:02:08.960 --> 00:02:11.199 My older brother didn't want to go to school the 36 00:02:11.240 --> 00:02:14.919 next day because I don't remember the reason. He didn't 37 00:02:14.960 --> 00:02:16.800 do his homework, and there was a test or whatever, 38 00:02:18.479 --> 00:02:21.000 and he just said, Yo, you're one of those kind 39 00:02:21.039 --> 00:02:23.080 of people that can make it snow. I need you 40 00:02:23.120 --> 00:02:26.759 to make it snow. So the first time I ever 41 00:02:26.919 --> 00:02:30.159 tried to do any kind of witchcraft was essentially under 42 00:02:30.240 --> 00:02:33.240 duress for my older brother that was going to kick 43 00:02:33.280 --> 00:02:37.599 my ass if I didn't. So I went outside and 44 00:02:37.639 --> 00:02:41.159 I just I grabbed grass from the front lawn and 45 00:02:41.240 --> 00:02:44.159 I boiled some water on the stove. And I put 46 00:02:44.240 --> 00:02:46.719 the grass in there and I said, some chance that 47 00:02:46.840 --> 00:02:51.080 I don't remember what they were, and yeah, that was it. 48 00:02:51.120 --> 00:02:54.439 That was the first smell. It didn't work, but that 49 00:02:54.560 --> 00:02:57.280 was the first spell I ever tried to cast my legs. 50 00:02:58.000 --> 00:03:03.319 And uh. Then when the first time I ate mushrooms, 51 00:03:03.319 --> 00:03:06.240 I was about I was like eighteen years old, and 52 00:03:06.400 --> 00:03:09.159 it wasn't like a full on breakthrough experience, but I 53 00:03:09.199 --> 00:03:13.120 definitely came back feeling like, yo, like I think magic 54 00:03:13.560 --> 00:03:17.240 might live there, like I think of my space, right, 55 00:03:17.319 --> 00:03:20.439 And so then I took like a you know, a 56 00:03:20.479 --> 00:03:23.960 deep dose, like like a breakthrough dose. I was like, oh, oh, yeah, 57 00:03:24.159 --> 00:03:28.120 this is where magic is, where it is like. And 58 00:03:28.680 --> 00:03:32.599 so I've just been practicing what I call psychedelic witchcraft 59 00:03:32.639 --> 00:03:36.680 ever since, for about twenty twenty five years or so. 60 00:03:37.479 --> 00:03:41.360 Psychedelic witchcraft. I've never heard those two words put together. 61 00:03:41.439 --> 00:03:44.360 Of course, you know, they they happen to coincide. For sure. 62 00:03:44.479 --> 00:03:47.360 I think that anybody that's ever done a heavy heroic 63 00:03:47.439 --> 00:03:50.560 dose of mushrooms is willing to, you know, kind of 64 00:03:50.560 --> 00:03:55.319 play outside the boundaries, you know, just because there's what 65 00:03:55.360 --> 00:03:58.599 I love about psychedelics in general is that, yeah, there's 66 00:03:58.599 --> 00:04:01.000 a lot of awesome things that go on, but it 67 00:04:01.120 --> 00:04:04.319 gives me that same feeling of being a little kid, 68 00:04:04.400 --> 00:04:07.479 like that same energy, that same excitement, that same wow 69 00:04:07.560 --> 00:04:11.039 about everything that I'm seeing. It just makes you like 70 00:04:11.400 --> 00:04:15.479 the magic is no longer like not real, It absolutely 71 00:04:15.639 --> 00:04:17.199 is real kind of how you're just talking about. And 72 00:04:17.199 --> 00:04:20.199 I was like, man, that's it's funny on so many 73 00:04:20.240 --> 00:04:22.040 levels of what you just said. You were talking about 74 00:04:22.160 --> 00:04:26.519 ducktails and everything. My son is addicted to Mickey and 75 00:04:26.639 --> 00:04:31.279 everything Mickey, specifically the Mickey Christmas movies. He's only three 76 00:04:31.360 --> 00:04:36.240 years old, and they always have like you know, the 77 00:04:36.600 --> 00:04:38.680 it's like a Mickey and Mini scene and then the 78 00:04:38.720 --> 00:04:42.399 next scene is you know, Huey, Dewey and Louie. I 79 00:04:42.439 --> 00:04:44.319 just had to look those names up yesterday. So it's 80 00:04:44.319 --> 00:04:47.240 funny you even mentioned that. But yeah, there's something really 81 00:04:47.279 --> 00:04:50.079 to it. And as far as as far as the 82 00:04:51.399 --> 00:04:55.399 Ducks go, it was I believe it was a Lord Byron, 83 00:04:55.519 --> 00:04:59.079 our magician friend. He said that whenever he's trying to 84 00:04:59.079 --> 00:05:02.439 do any kind of money spell, he'll call on what's 85 00:05:02.480 --> 00:05:07.879 the rich uncle? Uh uh Scrooge McDuck, McDuck. Have you 86 00:05:07.920 --> 00:05:10.920 ever done anything like off off, like not off, but 87 00:05:11.040 --> 00:05:14.120 like weird like that, calling on like fictional characters and stuff. 88 00:05:15.920 --> 00:05:17.920 Well, an atheist would say that I do that all 89 00:05:17.959 --> 00:05:21.879 the time, but not to mind not. But I have 90 00:05:21.920 --> 00:05:24.240 a quick question for you, though, Jonathan, why were you 91 00:05:24.319 --> 00:05:27.199 looking up Hughey doing Louis yesterday? I'm just curious. 92 00:05:28.120 --> 00:05:31.720 I think that my my wife had asked me, uh 93 00:05:31.800 --> 00:05:33.600 because she was looking at the three Ducks as they 94 00:05:33.600 --> 00:05:36.720 were on TV yesterday, and uh, she goes, oh, what 95 00:05:36.759 --> 00:05:39.000 are their names again? And I was like, I know 96 00:05:39.040 --> 00:05:42.120 they rhyme, but I can't remember what they are, and 97 00:05:42.199 --> 00:05:43.800 so I looked it up and I was like, ah, 98 00:05:43.879 --> 00:05:44.800 Huey doing and Louie. 99 00:05:44.839 --> 00:05:47.480 Okay, well just noting mcquins. 100 00:05:47.519 --> 00:05:49.360 And that's cool that you just looked it up yesterday. 101 00:05:49.519 --> 00:05:52.000 It just means like we totally did not plan that. 102 00:05:52.319 --> 00:05:53.399 No, not at all. 103 00:05:53.519 --> 00:05:56.000 Oh, they're used to this by now. It just seems 104 00:05:56.000 --> 00:05:58.319 to be this is just how our shows go. You know, 105 00:05:58.439 --> 00:06:02.240 bliming is always perfect and we're starting to understand why. Yeah. 106 00:06:02.279 --> 00:06:06.680 Excellent, cool, cool, right, good role. So you would just 107 00:06:06.759 --> 00:06:09.879 I'm sorry, you just asked a question. What did I Oh? 108 00:06:10.000 --> 00:06:12.920 Yeah, do you so as far as do you call 109 00:06:13.040 --> 00:06:17.040 on traditional gods? And goddesses and energies and stuff like that, 110 00:06:17.319 --> 00:06:19.360 or do you get weird with it? I mean, it's 111 00:06:19.360 --> 00:06:22.399 all weird, but you know, yeah. 112 00:06:21.519 --> 00:06:26.720 So I sort of put it's interesting because I'm writing 113 00:06:26.759 --> 00:06:30.040 a book on this right now, so hopefully i'll explain 114 00:06:30.079 --> 00:06:35.759 it like, well, I see it like this. Here's where 115 00:06:35.839 --> 00:06:39.000 it's sort of like an atheist and I like because 116 00:06:39.040 --> 00:06:40.879 I'm a very religious person, but I want to be 117 00:06:40.879 --> 00:06:43.360 able to speak to people that are. Here's where we 118 00:06:43.399 --> 00:06:46.800 could agree, Like an atheist would agree that life and 119 00:06:46.959 --> 00:06:49.720 consciousness exists, right, no matter what we think about where 120 00:06:49.720 --> 00:06:52.120 it came from. We would all agree, right it self 121 00:06:52.199 --> 00:06:56.639 evident life and consciousness exists. Okay, I call that guy. 122 00:06:58.079 --> 00:07:01.519 We would all agree that we have the ability to 123 00:07:01.560 --> 00:07:03.680 make choices. Now. I know some people would say we 124 00:07:03.720 --> 00:07:06.759 don't have free will, like Sam Harris might say we 125 00:07:06.800 --> 00:07:08.480 don't have free will. I would say that we have 126 00:07:08.560 --> 00:07:11.480 free will, but it's within limits, of course, but we 127 00:07:11.560 --> 00:07:15.000 have some semblance of free will. I mean, we could 128 00:07:15.040 --> 00:07:19.000 both choose to hang up right now if we wanted to, right, 129 00:07:19.160 --> 00:07:20.839 I mean, but well, I mean I don't want to. 130 00:07:20.839 --> 00:07:22.399 I want to talk to you, but I mean. 131 00:07:22.399 --> 00:07:24.560 If you did, I would probably sentence you to hell 132 00:07:24.920 --> 00:07:26.680 for not going well. 133 00:07:26.560 --> 00:07:29.000 I would deserve it. I would deserve it anyway. So 134 00:07:29.279 --> 00:07:33.240 that ability to make a choice I just call hectag like. 135 00:07:33.279 --> 00:07:36.079 Whatever that thing is, whatever our ability to make a choice, 136 00:07:36.079 --> 00:07:38.879 I call it heckatan. I think an atheists would agree that. Yeah, 137 00:07:39.319 --> 00:07:41.399 even if it's within limits, we have the ability to 138 00:07:41.399 --> 00:07:45.040 make a choice. Now, what about evolution, Well, yeah, most 139 00:07:45.079 --> 00:07:48.000 atheists do believe. I think evolution is true. I mean, 140 00:07:48.079 --> 00:07:50.399 there seems to be plenty of evidence for it. I 141 00:07:50.519 --> 00:07:57.920 just call that seriously. So the natural sort of the 142 00:07:58.000 --> 00:08:04.480 primordial resonances of life, consciousness, choice, and evolution, I have 143 00:08:04.759 --> 00:08:07.480 just because I'm a human. That's what silly humans do. 144 00:08:07.839 --> 00:08:13.519 I have anthropomorphized those ideas into these sort of goddess 145 00:08:13.519 --> 00:08:17.959 figures because again, that's what humans do. We're a lot 146 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:22.000 of fun like that. So I see my sort of 147 00:08:22.360 --> 00:08:27.199 religious understanding of these goddesses, whether they be fictional or not. 148 00:08:27.319 --> 00:08:31.240 To get to your question, Jonathan, is sort of besides 149 00:08:31.279 --> 00:08:36.519 the point. We have evolved as humans to seek out 150 00:08:36.559 --> 00:08:39.200 these experiences, whether we choose to do it or not, 151 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:42.360 whether there's anything real to it or not. I mean 152 00:08:42.399 --> 00:08:44.639 I believe there is, but let's just say for arguments eight, 153 00:08:44.679 --> 00:08:49.759 there isn't We nonetheless have evolved to seek these experiences out. 154 00:08:50.000 --> 00:08:52.840 So for me, it just makes my life all the 155 00:08:53.000 --> 00:08:56.000 richer to do it. Like, I don't say it's true 156 00:08:56.039 --> 00:08:58.600 for me, because I don't believe in that. I just 157 00:08:58.679 --> 00:09:01.440 say that it serves me. It makes my life just 158 00:09:02.080 --> 00:09:04.879 all the better and more interesting and weird and kooky, 159 00:09:05.200 --> 00:09:06.200 and that's how I like it. 160 00:09:06.879 --> 00:09:12.080 Okay. So it's kind of like just personifying the elements 161 00:09:12.120 --> 00:09:15.279 around you essentially, and that is the way that you're 162 00:09:15.320 --> 00:09:21.039 able to get a little bit more energetically, you know, 163 00:09:21.440 --> 00:09:27.919 like connected to it. What's that just by personifying the 164 00:09:28.840 --> 00:09:32.000 certain elements and what some some might call this, others 165 00:09:32.080 --> 00:09:34.960 might call this, you call it something else right right 166 00:09:35.080 --> 00:09:39.519 by you personifying it, does that feel like you're kind 167 00:09:39.559 --> 00:09:43.080 of gravitating closer to the energy that we would call 168 00:09:43.159 --> 00:09:46.159 this A second say, hecktay. 169 00:09:46.519 --> 00:09:49.200 Sure, I see it sort of like this, Like my 170 00:09:50.120 --> 00:09:53.960 I am constantly and anybody who engages in magical practices 171 00:09:54.039 --> 00:09:58.159 or which we are constantly reaching up with the assumption 172 00:09:58.320 --> 00:10:03.159 that there is something reaching down and when it gets together, 173 00:10:03.240 --> 00:10:05.639 it just sort of locks in and it's a little 174 00:10:05.720 --> 00:10:09.240 bit of what that energy is or forces for a 175 00:10:09.279 --> 00:10:12.639 better word, and a little bit of ourselves, and it 176 00:10:12.840 --> 00:10:14.919 just it's sort of a little bit of a soup, 177 00:10:15.440 --> 00:10:17.600 but they're they sort of come together in that way. 178 00:10:17.639 --> 00:10:20.360 But the soup's tasty, so you know, I keep I 179 00:10:20.440 --> 00:10:21.080 keep making it. 180 00:10:21.480 --> 00:10:23.600 So it's kind of like a like a red shift 181 00:10:23.639 --> 00:10:27.000 blue shift kind of thing that is going on on 182 00:10:27.080 --> 00:10:29.679 top of maybe like an as above so below kind 183 00:10:29.720 --> 00:10:30.080 of thing. 184 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:34.919 It's close like with the as above so below. I 185 00:10:34.960 --> 00:10:39.759 see what you're getting at, but it's it's more of 186 00:10:40.639 --> 00:10:42.639 as above, so below. 187 00:10:42.639 --> 00:10:43.840 Connected in the middle. 188 00:10:44.639 --> 00:10:48.480 Gotcha, Okay, total better. 189 00:10:48.279 --> 00:10:50.440 Way of putting it, because that's a great question. I 190 00:10:50.679 --> 00:10:52.039 totally wish I had a better ends with it. 191 00:10:52.080 --> 00:10:55.240 That it's like the co creation of the as above 192 00:10:55.440 --> 00:10:58.720 and so as below. Right, Yeah, that's the draction that 193 00:10:58.720 --> 00:10:59.360 that happens. 194 00:10:59.799 --> 00:11:03.240 Yea, Yeah, exactly. We're co creating it, or at least 195 00:11:03.240 --> 00:11:06.639 that is. I think that seems to be what's going on. 196 00:11:06.759 --> 00:11:09.360 And that's why like sort of like with people with 197 00:11:09.600 --> 00:11:13.279 let's say d MT or ayahuasca, like we'll meet the 198 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:17.440 same kinds of entities, but they'll be a little different. Yeah, 199 00:11:17.480 --> 00:11:20.000 And I think that that's just sort of where our 200 00:11:20.200 --> 00:11:26.720 own just human nature just enters the picture. And I 201 00:11:26.720 --> 00:11:28.440 I don't know if we could ever get around that. 202 00:11:28.679 --> 00:11:30.759 Maybe we can, and maybe we are, and we just 203 00:11:30.840 --> 00:11:33.279 don't know. And I'm not giving you know, us humans 204 00:11:33.360 --> 00:11:38.759 enough credit, but I don't know. It's just it's interesting 205 00:11:38.799 --> 00:11:40.240 stuff regardless. 206 00:11:40.080 --> 00:11:42.919 It's a it's a very subjective experience, you know, this 207 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:46.480 whole human experience. I feel like everything that is in 208 00:11:46.519 --> 00:11:48.480 your mind, that's going to be the thing that you 209 00:11:48.600 --> 00:11:51.039 tend to experience. And so it makes sense that everybody 210 00:11:51.039 --> 00:11:55.080 would experience something slightly different from one another, just because 211 00:11:55.120 --> 00:12:01.440 that is your individual, individual, fractalized, individual way of seeing it, 212 00:12:01.559 --> 00:12:01.799 you know. 213 00:12:01.919 --> 00:12:06.799 And so of course there's also and I totally agree 214 00:12:06.840 --> 00:12:09.519 with that. Another way to look at it, though, would 215 00:12:09.519 --> 00:12:11.879 be like this, because then because I'm saying this in 216 00:12:11.919 --> 00:12:13.840 a honestly I don't know. So maybe we can sort 217 00:12:13.840 --> 00:12:17.279 of wrestle with these ideas a little bit. But let's say, 218 00:12:17.360 --> 00:12:22.120 just for argument's sake, a UFO came to Earth, right, 219 00:12:22.759 --> 00:12:27.240 and there's three aliens, right. One of those aliens goes 220 00:12:27.399 --> 00:12:32.039 to the like, I don't know, like somewhere on the 221 00:12:32.080 --> 00:12:34.919 plains of Africa with his lions, and zebras and elephants 222 00:12:34.919 --> 00:12:39.720 and shit. Right, another goes on the water, another goes 223 00:12:39.960 --> 00:12:43.879 to San Francisco. All three of those aliens are going 224 00:12:43.960 --> 00:12:47.080 to report seeing different things and having different experiences, and 225 00:12:47.159 --> 00:12:51.279 yet they were all on planet Earth. So the way 226 00:12:51.320 --> 00:12:54.399 I see it, these spirit realms, of these mystic realms 227 00:12:54.440 --> 00:12:59.159 are probably far more diverse than Earth itself. So that 228 00:12:59.200 --> 00:13:03.919 could be an other reason why there's you know, perhaps 229 00:13:04.000 --> 00:13:07.840 we're actually meeting different entities. Perhaps it's not so much that, 230 00:13:08.159 --> 00:13:11.279 you know, Sean, Jonathan and I are all meeting the 231 00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:14.320 same thing, like, uh, you know, I'm calling it Hegita, 232 00:13:14.360 --> 00:13:18.799 you're calling it whatever you know, Jenna. I don't know 233 00:13:18.799 --> 00:13:22.639 why that is so hegitated Jenna, And let's say eambe 234 00:13:22.720 --> 00:13:26.639 from the Illucinian Mysteries. Maybe it's not that. Maybe we're 235 00:13:26.720 --> 00:13:28.840 not all meeting the same thing and just calling it 236 00:13:28.919 --> 00:13:31.960 something different. Maybe we're meeting three different things, just like 237 00:13:32.000 --> 00:13:34.960 the three aliens meeting fish, zebras and people. 238 00:13:35.960 --> 00:13:38.240 Yeah. Man, there's there's a lot of weird shit that 239 00:13:38.279 --> 00:13:42.559 goes on within psychedelics. And what is especially crazy is that, 240 00:13:43.159 --> 00:13:46.000 for some reason or another, Now I could see how 241 00:13:46.039 --> 00:13:49.240 somebody might listen to a show like this, and maybe 242 00:13:49.240 --> 00:13:51.759 they are atheist or maybe they're religious, and they're just 243 00:13:52.080 --> 00:13:54.080 kind of one track mind. They have it all figured 244 00:13:54.080 --> 00:13:56.879 out and everything outside of it is not real or 245 00:13:56.879 --> 00:14:00.679 it's evil or whatever. Right, But like, this was always 246 00:14:00.720 --> 00:14:03.279 something that was so fascinating to me that every time 247 00:14:03.639 --> 00:14:07.240 I would call upon a specific god or a specific 248 00:14:07.279 --> 00:14:11.120 deity or anything like that, it seems to work in 249 00:14:11.200 --> 00:14:14.480 its own way. Now if it was all fake, like 250 00:14:15.360 --> 00:14:17.759 I feel like the only way that you can call 251 00:14:17.799 --> 00:14:20.919 it all fake is if your awareness in picking up 252 00:14:20.960 --> 00:14:24.720 on the synchronicities and the messages from the universe or whatever. 253 00:14:25.039 --> 00:14:26.519 That's the only way you can call it fake is 254 00:14:26.559 --> 00:14:30.080 just because you don't you're not made aware of, you know, 255 00:14:30.200 --> 00:14:34.519 the manifestation of it in one way or another. But 256 00:14:34.679 --> 00:14:37.159 for those of us who kind of are a little 257 00:14:37.159 --> 00:14:39.559 bit more on the aware side, trying to be a 258 00:14:39.600 --> 00:14:44.559 little bit more aware every single day, but like, there's 259 00:14:44.600 --> 00:14:49.639 absolutely something going on, and I wonder, does it even matter? 260 00:14:50.879 --> 00:14:54.879 Does it matter to the energy or the entity on 261 00:14:54.960 --> 00:14:59.960 the receiving side of our prayer or meditation or spell 262 00:15:00.159 --> 00:15:02.919 or anything like that what we call them, or is 263 00:15:02.919 --> 00:15:06.840 that kind of our call signal to get in touch 264 00:15:06.879 --> 00:15:07.879 with them. 265 00:15:08.240 --> 00:15:11.480 That's that's a great question. So I don't think that 266 00:15:11.600 --> 00:15:14.799 those things, any of those things, actually have names in 267 00:15:14.840 --> 00:15:17.919 the sense that they are forces, in the sense of 268 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:22.639 like gravity doesn't know that we call gravity gravity, you know, 269 00:15:24.039 --> 00:15:26.679 So I don't. I don't believe they have a name. 270 00:15:26.759 --> 00:15:30.679 From my interaction with them. They do understand that that's 271 00:15:30.720 --> 00:15:33.840 a very human thing to name everything, so they don't 272 00:15:33.960 --> 00:15:38.679 care that I do it. Like the the universal force 273 00:15:38.759 --> 00:15:41.840 of life and consciousness that I call Gaya does like 274 00:15:41.919 --> 00:15:46.000 it responds to that, because that's how it realizes that 275 00:15:46.039 --> 00:15:49.960 I recognize it. You know, even though it recognizes itself, 276 00:15:49.960 --> 00:15:52.639 it does not have a name anymore than the ocean 277 00:15:52.799 --> 00:15:55.159 has a name or gravity. 278 00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:58.240 Has any Yes, Yes, I like that a lot. And 279 00:15:58.320 --> 00:16:00.519 that makes a lot of sense, which would make a 280 00:16:00.519 --> 00:16:03.399 lot of sense as to you know, we had a buddy, 281 00:16:04.200 --> 00:16:07.639 what was it, Mark, He's better known as the Mirror, 282 00:16:07.759 --> 00:16:09.799 but we had him on the show and he goes. 283 00:16:09.840 --> 00:16:12.720 You know, if if people just talk more about how 284 00:16:12.720 --> 00:16:16.320 God made them feel instead of arguing what God's real 285 00:16:16.440 --> 00:16:18.840 name is, I think we would all get see, like, 286 00:16:19.080 --> 00:16:21.519 we would be all on the same page, right, But 287 00:16:21.559 --> 00:16:24.399 everybody's like, no, his name is God, or his name 288 00:16:24.480 --> 00:16:28.200 is Jesus, or his name is whatever, right allah? And 289 00:16:28.240 --> 00:16:31.000 it's like, man who gives a flying fuck what their 290 00:16:31.080 --> 00:16:33.279 names are. I don't even think they care. I mean, 291 00:16:33.279 --> 00:16:36.159 how many times have we changed Jesus's name for fox sake? 292 00:16:36.559 --> 00:16:40.080 You know, Like, what's the common denominator? What's the thing 293 00:16:40.159 --> 00:16:43.440 that can connect us all and have us all realize like, oh, 294 00:16:43.919 --> 00:16:45.320 you don't have to be wrong. I don't have to 295 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:47.679 be right, you know. I think that's where it would 296 00:16:47.679 --> 00:16:49.559 be really nice to get to that point one day. 297 00:16:49.799 --> 00:16:54.120 Yeah, yeah, totally. I think. Well, with the issue is 298 00:16:54.159 --> 00:16:57.639 there are some there are certain ideas that are built 299 00:16:57.679 --> 00:17:03.240 into some religions that don't allow for that. Like so 300 00:17:03.320 --> 00:17:05.640 it's just one example. Like I don't have a problem 301 00:17:05.640 --> 00:17:08.240 with Christianity at all. I think it is a very 302 00:17:08.279 --> 00:17:11.319 fine religion. I have Christian friends. They're all chill, like 303 00:17:11.640 --> 00:17:14.160 they know that I'm psychedelic and witchy and all that. 304 00:17:14.200 --> 00:17:19.480 They don't care at all. But like, the one issue 305 00:17:19.480 --> 00:17:21.519 I have is just a one line. Nobody gets to 306 00:17:21.559 --> 00:17:24.240 the Father but through me. If you get rid of 307 00:17:24.240 --> 00:17:28.039 that one line, I have zero problem with one hundred 308 00:17:28.039 --> 00:17:31.599 percent of Christianity. It's that one line that kind of 309 00:17:31.640 --> 00:17:33.880 I'm like, ah, you know, and. 310 00:17:34.079 --> 00:17:35.039 People take it literal. 311 00:17:35.880 --> 00:17:40.000 Yeah, exactly, people take it literal. And it's interesting because 312 00:17:40.079 --> 00:17:44.960 in the the uh, the Jesus Seminar's version of the 313 00:17:45.000 --> 00:17:48.079 Gospels where they you know, they have the red letter 314 00:17:48.119 --> 00:17:52.039 words and they would put a if you're maybe your 315 00:17:52.440 --> 00:17:54.519 listeners may or may not be familiar, so if just 316 00:17:54.960 --> 00:17:58.400 back up real quick and explain it. The Jesus Seminar 317 00:17:58.480 --> 00:18:00.119 is a group of I think it's like eighty some 318 00:18:00.480 --> 00:18:04.720 scholars that get together that would debate over what they 319 00:18:04.759 --> 00:18:07.480 would call the red letter words of Jesus. And they 320 00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:10.799 were just you know, using historical methodology try to determine 321 00:18:10.799 --> 00:18:16.079 what Jesus actually said. And in this particular version of 322 00:18:16.119 --> 00:18:18.640 the Bible that I have, the things that they think 323 00:18:18.640 --> 00:18:20.480 he said are in read the things that they are 324 00:18:20.519 --> 00:18:22.640 pretty certain he didn't say, or in like gray or 325 00:18:22.680 --> 00:18:24.920 black if I recall or one of them is like 326 00:18:25.000 --> 00:18:28.279 probably not and the other one is absolutely not. Anyway, 327 00:18:28.519 --> 00:18:30.839 that line nobody gets to the Father but through me 328 00:18:31.119 --> 00:18:33.680 is in either gray or black. I forget which one, 329 00:18:33.799 --> 00:18:37.240 but it's okay, Like it's nobody, like the top scholars 330 00:18:37.279 --> 00:18:40.000 of the world don't even think that, like, that's one 331 00:18:40.039 --> 00:18:41.920 of the things Jesus would have actually said. 332 00:18:42.039 --> 00:18:44.279 I wonder even how they wouldn't go about that. 333 00:18:44.319 --> 00:18:48.119 It doesn't make any sense, Like with Jesus' original theology, 334 00:18:48.119 --> 00:18:49.279 it doesn't make sense. 335 00:18:49.640 --> 00:18:51.680 Right, And I guess that's how they would go about it. 336 00:18:51.720 --> 00:18:54.079 But like, how would they know of if any of 337 00:18:54.119 --> 00:18:56.200 that is what he said, you know, for any kind 338 00:18:56.200 --> 00:18:56.799 of certainty? 339 00:18:56.960 --> 00:19:00.400 Of course, yeah, you know, there's different criteria, and like 340 00:19:00.480 --> 00:19:04.640 we don't one hundred percent. Nobody knows for certain, you know, 341 00:19:05.000 --> 00:19:07.119 one hundred percent, no one knows for certain, But you 342 00:19:07.200 --> 00:19:12.319 look at certain things, like so let's just say in 343 00:19:12.480 --> 00:19:17.839 John chapter four, verse twenty seven, I believe, uh, don't 344 00:19:17.920 --> 00:19:20.440 quote me on that, but it says they were the 345 00:19:20.759 --> 00:19:23.200 scribes and the Pharisees, I believe one of them. It 346 00:19:23.200 --> 00:19:26.400 says they were surprised to see Jesus speaking with women, 347 00:19:27.119 --> 00:19:30.960 and not that that's a Jesus saying something, but it 348 00:19:31.000 --> 00:19:33.880 does lend credence to the idea that he did have 349 00:19:33.920 --> 00:19:36.799 women within his circle, because that's not the kind of thing. 350 00:19:37.119 --> 00:19:40.000 You know, it's highly patriarchal those days, and you know, 351 00:19:40.079 --> 00:19:42.759 to have women within your circle. I mean that just 352 00:19:42.839 --> 00:19:46.039 pretty much brought your whole message in your group down. 353 00:19:46.119 --> 00:19:48.799 It's like, look, he's comboarding with women. We can't take 354 00:19:48.920 --> 00:19:52.920 him seriously. And the fact that that's recorded is very like, 355 00:19:53.079 --> 00:19:56.319 oh okay, like if somebody were just making that up, 356 00:19:56.480 --> 00:19:59.359 you wouldn't probably wouldn't have made that up. I think 357 00:19:59.519 --> 00:20:02.480 Jose that says that, like a women's testimony was only 358 00:20:02.480 --> 00:20:05.000 worth half a man's in court in those days, so 359 00:20:05.039 --> 00:20:07.759 you wouldn't have women, especially as the witnesses like to 360 00:20:07.839 --> 00:20:11.400 the resurrection or the resurrection whatever, you know, whatever happened, 361 00:20:11.400 --> 00:20:14.160 but unless something went down, you wouldn't have put the 362 00:20:14.160 --> 00:20:16.960 women there unless something actually happened and the women were 363 00:20:16.960 --> 00:20:18.880 there to witness it. So it's stuff like. 364 00:20:18.920 --> 00:20:19.559 That's a good point. 365 00:20:19.680 --> 00:20:23.240 Yeah, that's more or less. That's how that's known as 366 00:20:23.359 --> 00:20:26.279 the criterion of embarrassment. And there's other ones, you know, 367 00:20:27.200 --> 00:20:31.119 but we don't need to talk about historical Jesus criteria. 368 00:20:31.160 --> 00:20:32.799 It's very boring. Yeah. 369 00:20:32.960 --> 00:20:35.880 Yeah, well look, I mean you had mentioned about so 370 00:20:36.640 --> 00:20:41.240 you believe that you can you describe what you mean 371 00:20:41.319 --> 00:20:46.200 whenever you say the word gaya, like you just think 372 00:20:46.200 --> 00:20:48.440 that that's kind of everything, all encompassing. 373 00:20:49.279 --> 00:20:55.559 No, no, not all everything, all encompassing is it's sort 374 00:20:55.599 --> 00:21:00.960 of the material universe what gya is is, or it's 375 00:21:01.000 --> 00:21:05.200 easy to explain, like this, Our ability to speak to 376 00:21:05.240 --> 00:21:10.519 each other, to be alive, to communicate, to have special meaning, 377 00:21:11.640 --> 00:21:17.319 that is guya. Oh, that's what guya is now. Our 378 00:21:17.519 --> 00:21:24.079 ability to use our consciousness and our life to make 379 00:21:24.160 --> 00:21:29.000 decisions to better ourselves that is hectay. And should those 380 00:21:29.039 --> 00:21:32.799 decisions actually make us better or worse? Well? That is 381 00:21:32.880 --> 00:21:37.240 seriously so it is life and consciousness choice and the 382 00:21:37.319 --> 00:21:40.519 evolution or de evolution based on those choices. 383 00:21:41.079 --> 00:21:45.640 Oh wow, okay, okay, interesting, Yeah, that is interesting. I 384 00:21:45.680 --> 00:21:47.400 never thought about looking at it that way, but it 385 00:21:47.759 --> 00:21:49.759 does check out. How did you come to that. 386 00:21:50.680 --> 00:21:52.599 Eating a lot of mushrooms and drinking a lot of 387 00:21:52.640 --> 00:21:56.119 ayahuasca and talking to the goddesses and just asking them 388 00:21:56.559 --> 00:21:58.799 what do you think about this? Does this work? Like? 389 00:21:59.240 --> 00:22:01.680 Am I wrong here? And yeah? Sometimes I like, yeah, 390 00:22:01.720 --> 00:22:04.039 you're a totally pull of shit, like that's not how 391 00:22:04.079 --> 00:22:06.119 we do it at all, you know, And other times 392 00:22:06.200 --> 00:22:09.440 like yeah, you're you're kind of getting there, And other 393 00:22:09.480 --> 00:22:12.319 times it's just like yeah, they just say hey, like like. 394 00:22:12.519 --> 00:22:15.839 This, Oh my god, I gotta believe it. 395 00:22:16.039 --> 00:22:18.559 We had this. We had this guy on that uh 396 00:22:18.680 --> 00:22:22.880 that runs an ayahuasca clinic. I guess you could call 397 00:22:22.920 --> 00:22:27.680 it in where was it, like South America somewhere, and man, 398 00:22:27.839 --> 00:22:31.680 he was Columbia, that's right. And he was like, man, 399 00:22:31.720 --> 00:22:33.559 you guys got to try it. And we were like, 400 00:22:33.720 --> 00:22:36.759 I don't know, dude, that shit seems scary to us. 401 00:22:36.839 --> 00:22:39.000 You know, I can't because it's it's like a two 402 00:22:39.160 --> 00:22:42.880 or three four day process and you're you're tripping balls 403 00:22:42.880 --> 00:22:46.279 for how many hours? And I'm like no, no. 404 00:22:45.960 --> 00:22:50.039 No, no, no no. So you do, like yeah, most 405 00:22:50.039 --> 00:22:53.000 of the time, you do iahuasca three nights in a row, 406 00:22:53.039 --> 00:22:55.359 which is convenient for me because I have three main 407 00:22:55.400 --> 00:23:01.039 goddesses of my pantheon, so I can invoke one each 408 00:23:01.200 --> 00:23:08.759 night pretty much. It's like this mushrooms showed me that 409 00:23:09.640 --> 00:23:13.039 the goddesses, in God's entities, all of it is real. 410 00:23:14.319 --> 00:23:23.359 Ayahuasca is the entity incarnated inside yourself, inside your soul 411 00:23:23.559 --> 00:23:27.119 like that, Like ayahuasca is the goddess incarnate, like you 412 00:23:27.279 --> 00:23:31.319 take like entheogenic in its purest form, you are taking 413 00:23:31.359 --> 00:23:37.079 the divinity inside you through the beverage, and it is Wow, 414 00:23:37.359 --> 00:23:40.960 it's phenomenal. I mean, I have a whole protocol. When 415 00:23:40.960 --> 00:23:43.519 I do it, like I do a lesser mystery before 416 00:23:43.640 --> 00:23:48.440 each night with each goddess, Like I get real witchy 417 00:23:48.480 --> 00:23:48.799 with it. 418 00:23:49.599 --> 00:23:53.279 That's awesome. Yeah, we looked up We love looking at 419 00:23:53.319 --> 00:23:57.119 like certain etymologies of words and whatnot, but looking up 420 00:23:57.160 --> 00:24:02.519 the etymology of Anthea, which is literally just like n 421 00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:06.720 is within and then theos is god, so it's kind 422 00:24:06.720 --> 00:24:09.799 of like the god within, and so it's crazy how 423 00:24:09.799 --> 00:24:13.680 it's literally built into the word that is used to 424 00:24:13.759 --> 00:24:19.400 describe that substance and super cool. We've had some crazy 425 00:24:19.440 --> 00:24:22.839 experiences on other psychedelics as well, but we actually said 426 00:24:23.160 --> 00:24:26.039 no more psychedelics in twenty twenty six. We're going to 427 00:24:26.279 --> 00:24:29.359 we're going full send in twenty twenty seven. But twenty 428 00:24:29.359 --> 00:24:31.000 twenty six we're like, all right, we got to take 429 00:24:31.000 --> 00:24:33.279 a break. We'll just get high in meditation or something 430 00:24:33.400 --> 00:24:33.799 like that. 431 00:24:33.880 --> 00:24:36.160 We're going to meditate. We're gonna you know, really try 432 00:24:36.200 --> 00:24:39.119 to understand our own mind for a bit, you know, 433 00:24:39.240 --> 00:24:42.200 because don't get me wrong, you know, we had some 434 00:24:42.240 --> 00:24:45.400 really good times and there was some really good insights 435 00:24:45.440 --> 00:24:49.759 and really ego shattering stuff, you know, and realizing like, oh, 436 00:24:49.880 --> 00:24:51.920 you know, this this thing is just so much bigger 437 00:24:51.920 --> 00:24:55.319 than I thought. And I'm also I'm that as well, 438 00:24:55.519 --> 00:24:57.200 you know. And that was like a huge thing for 439 00:24:57.240 --> 00:25:00.000 me to just like really realize because for so long 440 00:25:00.079 --> 00:25:03.920 I felt like I was somehow separate from everything else 441 00:25:03.960 --> 00:25:06.079 that was me and then there was just everything outside 442 00:25:06.119 --> 00:25:08.240 of me as a whole separate thing. But when you 443 00:25:08.319 --> 00:25:11.079 realize that it's all just this one big thing and 444 00:25:11.119 --> 00:25:13.599 you're just a piece of it, like that was a 445 00:25:13.680 --> 00:25:16.000 huge thing for me. And I got that for mushrooms, 446 00:25:16.119 --> 00:25:18.680 you know, and uh but yeah, but then we had 447 00:25:18.680 --> 00:25:22.519 a really really scary time and that was oh man, 448 00:25:22.599 --> 00:25:26.160 it was it was somewhat of a death initiation of sorts, 449 00:25:26.200 --> 00:25:28.279 Like that's what it felt like. It was like one 450 00:25:28.319 --> 00:25:31.000 of those things you just don't come back the same 451 00:25:31.160 --> 00:25:33.920 ever again. But but actually it did changes for like 452 00:25:34.000 --> 00:25:36.799 the better. Oh yeah, I was back at it fondly. Now. 453 00:25:37.240 --> 00:25:40.079 Oh yeah, did you do it in like a savored 454 00:25:40.440 --> 00:25:42.519 like a ritualized context. 455 00:25:44.119 --> 00:25:47.400 But yeah, it was just in my living room. Yeah, 456 00:25:47.440 --> 00:25:48.640 that's probably where we went wrong. 457 00:25:48.920 --> 00:25:52.519 But I mean I always just recommend to people like 458 00:25:52.599 --> 00:25:56.640 if you're having bad trips or anything like that, uh 459 00:25:57.160 --> 00:26:00.839 you know, like cast a circle, like keep any kind 460 00:26:00.839 --> 00:26:05.559 of negative entities away. Look like, first and foremost, recognize 461 00:26:05.640 --> 00:26:09.200 that you are opening doors, you are opening portals, Like 462 00:26:09.519 --> 00:26:13.640 so if that's not something that you're gonna be comfortable 463 00:26:13.680 --> 00:26:16.400 with or you think that can just be easily dismissed 464 00:26:16.480 --> 00:26:22.519 once the trip ends. Sometimes, like people will report just 465 00:26:22.599 --> 00:26:27.480 like shitty things happening, either while they're tripping or immediately 466 00:26:27.640 --> 00:26:30.599 like within a day or two after, like something horrible happened. 467 00:26:30.920 --> 00:26:33.000 And I'll always ask like, well, did you do it 468 00:26:33.000 --> 00:26:36.400 in a ritual Settingly of the time they say no, 469 00:26:38.480 --> 00:26:38.839 They're like. 470 00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:44.599 No, we were in Shawn's living room. It's like, could. 471 00:26:44.440 --> 00:26:47.720 You describe a little bit more of a sacred setting? 472 00:26:47.759 --> 00:26:47.920 Though? 473 00:26:47.960 --> 00:26:51.480 Now you said the circle and everything, but is there 474 00:26:51.519 --> 00:26:53.400 anything else that you set up beforehand? 475 00:26:54.079 --> 00:26:57.440 Oh dude, Yeah, like when I do when I eat 476 00:26:57.519 --> 00:26:59.839 mushrooms or drink I was It's like there's like a 477 00:27:00.119 --> 00:27:03.440 whole thing. So I mentioned before, like I said, like, 478 00:27:03.480 --> 00:27:07.160 I'll do a lesser mystery. What I mean by that is, 479 00:27:08.480 --> 00:27:12.799 I'll like do like a smaller just magical spell without 480 00:27:12.839 --> 00:27:15.000 what I call a sacra medicine, which would be like 481 00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:18.400 an entheogen, because some people call them sacraments. What that 482 00:27:18.519 --> 00:27:20.480 which they are. Some people call them medicines with that 483 00:27:20.599 --> 00:27:23.240 which they are, so I say sacra medicine because I 484 00:27:23.240 --> 00:27:27.119 think that that term suits them. So I'll do the 485 00:27:27.240 --> 00:27:31.440 lesser mystery without any sacram medicine. And yeah, they'll be 486 00:27:31.599 --> 00:27:36.799 depending on what Goddess I'm invoking, I'll use difference. I' 487 00:27:36.839 --> 00:27:40.079 let's say I'm invoking sears. The things that I will 488 00:27:40.119 --> 00:27:43.279 burn an homage like cannabis is one of her sacred plants, 489 00:27:44.279 --> 00:27:48.920 even though not technically a plant, but ndma is also 490 00:27:49.039 --> 00:27:52.400 sacred to seriously, so I'll burn a little ndma as well, 491 00:27:53.079 --> 00:27:58.079 And but I won't take any you know, I'll usually 492 00:27:58.119 --> 00:28:01.799 play a song on my guitar. I'll sing to the 493 00:28:01.799 --> 00:28:05.759 goddess again, and they'll just be more prayers and chants 494 00:28:06.279 --> 00:28:09.160 in Latin and things like that. I mean, I can 495 00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:12.000 get my spell book out and read to you with 496 00:28:12.200 --> 00:28:14.960 you know, but again it's it might not be all 497 00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:15.680 that interesting. 498 00:28:16.079 --> 00:28:19.200 Oh my god, you go all the way out. That's 499 00:28:19.240 --> 00:28:22.079 how I don't like. I believe that that's probably how 500 00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:24.720 it's supposed to be done, and that's probably how a 501 00:28:24.759 --> 00:28:26.759 lot of the ancients used to do it as well. 502 00:28:27.160 --> 00:28:29.359 I mean, you think, like think about it, Like how 503 00:28:29.400 --> 00:28:32.440 you just said, like you call it a sacrament or 504 00:28:32.599 --> 00:28:37.480 a medicine, and how many different religions talk about a sacrament, right, 505 00:28:37.599 --> 00:28:40.039 And I feel like a lot of this stuff maybe 506 00:28:40.079 --> 00:28:44.200 you wouldn't even notice is going on without the sacrament, right, 507 00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:47.200 Like without the mushrooms, without the d MT or the 508 00:28:47.240 --> 00:28:51.960 ayahuasca or whatever. That causes you to be blasted off 509 00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:56.839 into this kind of newer state of awareness. Yeah. I 510 00:28:57.359 --> 00:29:01.160 And that's where you know, we've talked about like ergot 511 00:29:01.279 --> 00:29:04.039 being found in the in the bottom of some chalices 512 00:29:04.200 --> 00:29:07.480 and whatnot. Do you think that they actually were like 513 00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:10.720 tripping balls back in the day, not necessarily tripping balls 514 00:29:10.759 --> 00:29:13.480 like in a fun party sense, but tripping in order 515 00:29:13.519 --> 00:29:14.799 to access the divine. 516 00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:18.480 Yeah, I mean that's that's the way I do it. 517 00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:22.240 Like anytime I eat mushrooms or drink ayeuasc, I'm doing 518 00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:25.640 it to access the divine. I think that that's at 519 00:29:25.720 --> 00:29:28.359 least for me, I think that that's really what they're 520 00:29:28.400 --> 00:29:33.240 here for. Like the the mental health and psychological aspects 521 00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:36.240 of it cannot be denied without a doubt, and I'm 522 00:29:36.279 --> 00:29:39.440 a big fan of that stuff. But for me, I mean, 523 00:29:39.519 --> 00:29:44.880 like the true power, like psyche it's in the mystical realm, 524 00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:48.319 it's in the spiritual realms. It's it's conversing with entities 525 00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:53.759 and goddesses and bringing that that that timeless wisdom back 526 00:29:53.799 --> 00:29:57.480 into your own life as best you can, because it's hard, 527 00:29:57.759 --> 00:29:59.920 you know, being a human pain in the as. 528 00:30:00.039 --> 00:30:03.079 Yes, Oh dude, it's the worst. But I'm just kidding, 529 00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:06.559 it's not that bad. So whenever you say that you're 530 00:30:06.759 --> 00:30:10.119 conversing with you know, gods and goddesses and stuff like that. 531 00:30:10.160 --> 00:30:13.039 Whenever you're in your psychedelics, can you kind of walk 532 00:30:13.119 --> 00:30:16.920 us through exactly what is going on now? Of course, 533 00:30:17.000 --> 00:30:21.039 this is not happening outside of you, right, Like, this 534 00:30:21.119 --> 00:30:23.440 is going on almost in your mind's eye is where 535 00:30:23.480 --> 00:30:25.759 these conversations are being had. 536 00:30:26.799 --> 00:30:30.440 Yeah, yeah, for the most part. Yeah, you want me 537 00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:33.759 to describe. I actually like if you're like, I can 538 00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:35.559 do that for you. Hold on a second. 539 00:30:35.680 --> 00:30:37.440 Yeah, it was. I just want to try and get 540 00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:40.960 the mental image because I think that a lot of 541 00:30:40.960 --> 00:30:44.519 people have experienced a lot of really out there things 542 00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:49.200 on psychedelics, but I've I personally, I've I've never seen 543 00:30:50.240 --> 00:30:53.839 an entity or anything like that, Like while I was 544 00:30:54.720 --> 00:30:59.400 on psychedelics, I've I heard and I felt one, which 545 00:30:59.519 --> 00:31:03.759 was really strange, but I never saw one like in 546 00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:04.359 my mind. 547 00:31:05.480 --> 00:31:13.480 Okay, so this I mean, let me get uh take dude. Okay, 548 00:31:13.640 --> 00:31:17.279 so I mean this will probably take about two minutes, 549 00:31:17.839 --> 00:31:20.599 if that's okay. I don't you know, I don't want 550 00:31:20.599 --> 00:31:21.319 to take too much. 551 00:31:21.759 --> 00:31:24.319 You know, that's what we're here for. 552 00:31:25.039 --> 00:31:29.079 Okay. So it's funny you asked me this because I'm I'm, 553 00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:31.200 like I said, I'm actually working on a book right 554 00:31:31.279 --> 00:31:34.519 now on these things. And I just finished a part 555 00:31:34.640 --> 00:31:39.640 where I am I just drunk my second dose of ayahuasca, 556 00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:43.440 having performed the Lesser Mystery to Hecita, And this is 557 00:31:43.480 --> 00:31:48.119 the experience of pushing past hyperspace into the mystical realm 558 00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:49.279 and meeting Hecita. 559 00:31:49.519 --> 00:31:51.680 Is that that sounds awesome? 560 00:31:51.799 --> 00:31:52.000 Yeah? 561 00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:53.880 Hell yeah, Okay. 562 00:31:56.559 --> 00:31:58.960 I laid back on my mat and closed my eyes. 563 00:31:59.200 --> 00:32:02.400 I started to feel that old familiar rumble in my stomach. 564 00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:05.720 Not a vomiting, no, a feeling of the ever growing 565 00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:09.559 awareness of divine presence, a presence that is not asking 566 00:32:09.599 --> 00:32:15.000 attention but desiring reception, something far beyond the entities of hyperspace, 567 00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:19.920 far beyond the elf clown's genius, which can certainly mimic profundity, 568 00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:23.839 but never quite sustain it. The music began to catch 569 00:32:23.920 --> 00:32:27.200 up with my desire. At first, it was subtle. The 570 00:32:27.319 --> 00:32:30.480 ecodos were already flowing through Morgan That's my friend. Where 571 00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:33.759 we did this through Morgan's living room, weaving that familiar 572 00:32:33.799 --> 00:32:38.319 serpentine path through the ceremony space. I had been listening, intentionally, 573 00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:41.279 letting them wash over me like the gentle current of 574 00:32:41.319 --> 00:32:45.359 a river song. But something shifted. The rhythm no longer 575 00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:48.720 moved around me. It moved through me, merging with that 576 00:32:48.839 --> 00:32:52.319 ever growing glow in my stomach. I felt myself slipping 577 00:32:52.519 --> 00:32:55.400 into an energetic alignment with the music, as if my 578 00:32:55.480 --> 00:32:58.960 inner tempo had locked into its pulse. Only now I 579 00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:02.480 wasn't just listening. The melody started to penetrate my body. 580 00:33:03.039 --> 00:33:06.200 The more I concentrated, the more the sacred rhythm intensified 581 00:33:06.200 --> 00:33:10.960 in my bone, matter, in my cells. The chanting grew louder, richer, 582 00:33:11.119 --> 00:33:14.480 more insistent. As the room began to expand beyond its 583 00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:20.119 physical boundaries, Walls softened, corners dissolved, the air became an instrument. 584 00:33:20.599 --> 00:33:23.480 I sat up and looked around the room. My friends, 585 00:33:23.680 --> 00:33:28.200 the other participants, the Iowa sceatos, all composed of strings 586 00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:32.000 vibrating at different intensities. I laid back down on my mat, 587 00:33:32.079 --> 00:33:35.119 closed my eyes and closed my eyes excuse me, and 588 00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:38.880 returned to hyperspace. The strings were there too. I was 589 00:33:38.920 --> 00:33:41.519 now seeing the outline of hyperspace based on how the 590 00:33:41.519 --> 00:33:45.240 strings were interacting in Morgan's living room, the thought forms, 591 00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:48.640 the body plans that terrain the stars and galaxies. The 592 00:33:48.680 --> 00:33:53.319 strings themselves started to crack. With each deliberate focus of intention, 593 00:33:53.519 --> 00:33:57.279 the sound amplified, not merely in volume, but in presence. 594 00:33:57.799 --> 00:34:00.960 The music began to feel less like sound more like force, 595 00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:05.920 a summoning force. That's when I felt it, the upward pull. 596 00:34:06.640 --> 00:34:09.199 I started to lift out of hyperspace, as if it 597 00:34:09.199 --> 00:34:13.480 were only a membrane, a shivering intermediary between worlds. The 598 00:34:13.599 --> 00:34:17.039 einsoft ore which is a cabalistic term, and I was 599 00:34:17.199 --> 00:34:21.800 being drawn toward the einsoft which is another cabalistic term. 600 00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:26.760 The seemingly infinite missival reality, so crystalline and iridescent and glorious, 601 00:34:26.880 --> 00:34:30.440 supporting the machinery of hyperspace, which in turn pours its 602 00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:35.440 psychic essence into materialism, came into view. All cracks began 603 00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:39.800 to tear, the strings, hyperspace, the darkness of the outer regions, 604 00:34:39.880 --> 00:34:43.400 All of it split open, like billion year old fabric 605 00:34:43.480 --> 00:34:47.760 under strain. That familiar blackness punctured by stars gave way 606 00:34:47.800 --> 00:34:52.519 to something entirely different. Thousands upon thousands of multicolored gems 607 00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:57.039 suspended in impossible death depth, not floating so much as 608 00:34:57.199 --> 00:35:00.960 radiating in their own existence in at that moment, a 609 00:35:01.079 --> 00:35:06.199 consecrated truth, a culta scientia, announced itself with absolute clarity. 610 00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:13.800 Music brings the Goddess. Music brings the Goddess. I began 611 00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:17.719 chanting slowly, each word falling perfectly into the rhythm of 612 00:35:17.760 --> 00:35:21.800 the eco. The gems began to soften, their edges, blurring, 613 00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:26.000 melting into one another as if heated from within. Music 614 00:35:26.480 --> 00:35:31.480 brings the Goddess. Colors emerged that had no conceivable name, 615 00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:35.559 Hues that do not exist on any earthly spectrum, splattering 616 00:35:35.599 --> 00:35:41.360 across my perception like molten rainbows. Music brings the Goddess. 617 00:35:41.719 --> 00:35:46.039 My stomach broke open, gushing cool breezes of weightless ecstasy 618 00:35:46.079 --> 00:35:51.199 throughout my older body. This was something old, clean, deep 619 00:35:51.639 --> 00:35:56.960 and holy. Music brings the Goddess. The colors enveloped me, 620 00:35:57.079 --> 00:36:00.719 saturating my awareness until any distinction between seeing and being 621 00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:04.000 seen started to fray. The music started to bleed into 622 00:36:04.039 --> 00:36:07.960 sounds of unearthly tambre. I was no longer hearing the ecoos. 623 00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:13.559 The melody had transformed into something vast, grand and resonant, angelic, 624 00:36:13.920 --> 00:36:18.960 a harmonic architecture reverberating across every threat of existence. It 625 00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:24.280 wasn't coming from anywhere, it was everywhere, a divine resonance 626 00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:27.159 that had been playing since the beginning of time, waiting 627 00:36:27.199 --> 00:36:30.519 for consciousness to tune into it, the coronation hymn for 628 00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:34.239 the cosmos itself. This was the melody that has pulsed 629 00:36:34.239 --> 00:36:38.360 through reality ever since that first beat, when Gaya detached 630 00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:43.519 from God, when different differentiation began, when time itself was born. 631 00:36:43.880 --> 00:36:47.079 The tempo that shaped worlds through eons of light, the 632 00:36:47.119 --> 00:36:52.840 cadence that governs incarnation. This was the heralding of Hecate. 633 00:36:53.960 --> 00:36:57.239 As the music found residential pockets in every inch of air, 634 00:36:57.360 --> 00:37:00.760 my visual field shifted again. Bits of round sky and 635 00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:04.400 space turned upward, coalescing into a massive black and white 636 00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:08.719 checkered mound. It rose rapidly skyward, bringing all of reality 637 00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:12.519 with it, swallowing nearly my entire field of vision. The 638 00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:15.199 pattern pulsed in time with the music, as if each 639 00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:18.800 square were a note in a sacred symphony. From above, 640 00:37:18.920 --> 00:37:22.960 vines of the richest, most luminous green cascaded downward, draping 641 00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:27.079 themselves over the growing checkered mound, like living ornamentation. The 642 00:37:27.159 --> 00:37:31.039 divine music intensified its rhythm, sculpting the form taking shape 643 00:37:31.039 --> 00:37:35.519 before me. From its bulky middle, two thinge gelatinous shafts emerged, 644 00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:38.760 slowly rotating outward like the blades of a ceiling fan. 645 00:37:39.320 --> 00:37:43.679 As they lengthened, they thickened, gaining definition, taking on the 646 00:37:43.760 --> 00:37:47.920 unmistakable contours of arms. Within moments, those arms had tipped 647 00:37:47.960 --> 00:37:51.960 into hands, each containing only three fingers. Out of each 648 00:37:52.039 --> 00:37:56.199 hand grew two long shafts, whose tops burst into solar flares. 649 00:37:56.480 --> 00:37:59.239 As the flames grew, the light unlocked deeper levels of 650 00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:03.639 the space. All around me, geometric patterns, angels, or at 651 00:38:03.679 --> 00:38:06.840 least what I interpreted as such, and other spiritual beings 652 00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:09.760 of nothing more than splashes of light and lustrous colors, 653 00:38:09.880 --> 00:38:13.519 looked upon this strange mortal Among them, there were whole 654 00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:18.280 galaxies of them. Out of one of the three mounds, 655 00:38:18.320 --> 00:38:20.840 the one on my left hand side, thinned out and 656 00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:24.079 began to whip itself back and forth, adding a raspy, 657 00:38:24.199 --> 00:38:28.119 reverberating hiss to the rattles of the divine music. Another mound, 658 00:38:28.159 --> 00:38:31.280 the one on my right hand side, shook violently, releasing 659 00:38:31.320 --> 00:38:34.800 a roar that thundered across the skies. The central form 660 00:38:34.880 --> 00:38:39.199 between his and roar inhaled, deeply exhale. I could see it, 661 00:38:39.239 --> 00:38:44.000 the skeletal architecture of three faces forming simultaneously a serpent, 662 00:38:44.079 --> 00:38:47.960 a lieon as a woman, bone, flesh and intension weaving 663 00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:52.280 themselves into expression, materializing like fruit of the most savage 664 00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:56.079 and savory knowledge. The outlines of eyes, noses, and mouths 665 00:38:56.119 --> 00:38:59.760 burned into the three mound tops, like sigils being carved 666 00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:03.559 into reality itself. Then all three sets of eyes opened, 667 00:39:03.840 --> 00:39:07.280 Each pupil contained the brilliance of a thousand sons, each 668 00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:08.599 iris a million more. 669 00:39:09.280 --> 00:39:17.119 She was here, hektay, Holy shit, that was awesome, amazing, 670 00:39:17.639 --> 00:39:19.519 Oh my god, I felt like I was in that 671 00:39:19.599 --> 00:39:20.639 journey with you, dude. 672 00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:24.880 Yeah, honestly, like the way you described it. I started 673 00:39:24.920 --> 00:39:28.079 to trip a little bit. Not gonna lie, but it's, man, 674 00:39:28.519 --> 00:39:34.320 what that is crazy, that's exactly. And dude, all right, 675 00:39:34.519 --> 00:39:36.679 because I was thinking a million different things. Every time 676 00:39:36.719 --> 00:39:38.639 you said something awesome, I'm like, oh, that reminds me 677 00:39:38.679 --> 00:39:40.559 of this. That reminds me of that. One of the 678 00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:42.840 things that you were talking about is that whenever you're 679 00:39:42.840 --> 00:39:46.360 coming in contact with all these different visuals and you're 680 00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:49.519 kind of becoming aware of what's really going on with it. 681 00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:53.039 Not to take it too far off track, but like 682 00:39:54.920 --> 00:39:59.920 whenever people talk about aliens being I don't know, bipede 683 00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:05.840 creatures that are walking around and or or pleadians or 684 00:40:05.880 --> 00:40:10.159 anything like that, like, and then I go into or 685 00:40:10.199 --> 00:40:13.079 we go into that psychedelic realm to where we're allowed 686 00:40:13.119 --> 00:40:16.519 to perceive a lot more. I never see anything like that. 687 00:40:16.599 --> 00:40:20.159 It's a lot more like what you just described, you know, 688 00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:23.400 like and maybe they abstract and maybe they all exist 689 00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:26.519 there too, I don't know. But if they're coming from 690 00:40:26.599 --> 00:40:29.840 other dimensions or anything like that, I imagine it is a 691 00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:32.840 lot more seemingly to us in the third dimension to 692 00:40:32.920 --> 00:40:35.320 be a lot more abstract in the way that you describe, 693 00:40:35.400 --> 00:40:38.559 rather than something that is in our image. 694 00:40:39.039 --> 00:40:42.199 Oh yeah, I mean, even the same goddess will show 695 00:40:42.280 --> 00:40:45.760 up in different ways. That, like, it's not like it's 696 00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:49.199 not a constant form either, because again we're we're talking 697 00:40:49.239 --> 00:40:52.960 about a like an energy, We're talking about a pulse here. 698 00:40:53.440 --> 00:40:57.199 You know that that are our minds are to some 699 00:40:57.360 --> 00:41:00.400 extent playing a role in how we shape that. Now 700 00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:03.960 there's nothing anybody can do about that, Like we're just 701 00:41:04.199 --> 00:41:07.360 we're stuck with that. I mean even just seeing each other, 702 00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:10.519 like we see colors differently from each other. I mean, 703 00:41:10.559 --> 00:41:13.360 there's the same basic red shape, but there's gonna be 704 00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:16.280 slight changes in the hue that you know, you'll pick 705 00:41:16.360 --> 00:41:22.000 up on that I might not. So yeah, and with 706 00:41:23.400 --> 00:41:27.719 like so the last time I sat with Guya, I mean, 707 00:41:27.880 --> 00:41:30.920 it wasn't there wasn't a womanly figure there at all. 708 00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:35.519 It was just light like there, there wasn't there wasn't 709 00:41:35.559 --> 00:41:38.239 shape to it. It was just a light thing. But 710 00:41:38.320 --> 00:41:41.559 I knew it was Guya. I recognized it as such. 711 00:41:41.880 --> 00:41:45.880 Did did Guya give off I don't know, some somewhat 712 00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:48.199 of a what we might call a personality? 713 00:41:49.320 --> 00:41:52.440 Oh yeah, exactly. Yeah, Yeah, it's a yeah, it's it's 714 00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:56.199 you're sort of your when I do certain spells and things, 715 00:41:56.239 --> 00:41:58.519 like I said, I do that lesser mystery it's to 716 00:41:58.679 --> 00:42:02.039 get my my antent ready to receive, because again, the 717 00:42:02.079 --> 00:42:05.559 mysical realm is fucking huge. I mean, there's all kinds 718 00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:08.280 of shit in there. You know, there's nothing of the 719 00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:12.000 size of hyperspace. But so you gotta be you know. 720 00:42:12.239 --> 00:42:16.280 I it's sort of like if you were to I 721 00:42:16.320 --> 00:42:18.039 won't say I write a letter because people don't do that. 722 00:42:18.280 --> 00:42:20.360 If you would have send an email, right John, if 723 00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:22.960 you would have send an email to Sean, and let's 724 00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:26.400 say Sean's email was Sean one two three at gmail 725 00:42:26.440 --> 00:42:28.960 dot com. If you put Sean one to two at 726 00:42:28.960 --> 00:42:31.800 gmail dot com, your email's not gonna make it there 727 00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:34.559 because it's not properly addressed. So one of the things 728 00:42:34.559 --> 00:42:37.440 I used the Lesser Mystery for is to properly address 729 00:42:38.119 --> 00:42:40.800 the Goddess. And like that whole thing I read you 730 00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:43.280 like before that, which I wasn't going to get into. 731 00:42:43.360 --> 00:42:46.239 But it's me discussing the Lesser Mystery and how I 732 00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:49.800 set it up so that I could meet Guya excuse 733 00:42:49.840 --> 00:42:50.840 me in this case hechotech. 734 00:42:51.519 --> 00:42:55.800 Oh my god, now, just out of curiosity, just to 735 00:42:55.840 --> 00:42:58.559 take it to the next level here, if that's possible. 736 00:42:59.599 --> 00:43:06.000 Whenever you are in the same level of awareness with Gaya, 737 00:43:06.840 --> 00:43:10.679 What are you represented as to her? 738 00:43:11.199 --> 00:43:13.280 You know, I don't like, how is guy of you 739 00:43:13.440 --> 00:43:14.760 and me? Is that what you're asking me? 740 00:43:14.840 --> 00:43:14.880 Like? 741 00:43:15.880 --> 00:43:17.199 What are you to that? 742 00:43:19.320 --> 00:43:25.000 I think we're a recognition of life and consciousness of 743 00:43:25.039 --> 00:43:29.639 what she is actually embedded in a person or in 744 00:43:29.719 --> 00:43:33.920 a living or not a living, in a material form, 745 00:43:34.960 --> 00:43:40.599 because life, in a way and consciousness are immaterial things. 746 00:43:40.639 --> 00:43:45.039 Like you can't put consciousness in a jar. When you 747 00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:48.079 put it in a human being, you're actually seeing this 748 00:43:48.199 --> 00:43:51.119 higher form of consciousness in a material body. 749 00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:56.280 M Oh my god, can't put consciousness in a jar, 750 00:43:56.360 --> 00:43:58.199 but when you do, it becomes the jar. 751 00:43:59.320 --> 00:44:01.280 Yeah, exactly like that. 752 00:44:01.960 --> 00:44:06.039 Yeah, dude, oh man, that is I love it because I, 753 00:44:06.159 --> 00:44:09.239 like I said, I mean, I've only ever experienced what 754 00:44:09.559 --> 00:44:13.400 may seemingly be abstract in that realm. Now, the first 755 00:44:13.400 --> 00:44:15.920 time I ever did DMT, not the second time, I'm 756 00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:17.880 not gonna speak of that, but the first time I 757 00:44:17.880 --> 00:44:21.480 ever did DMT, I was like out floating, seemingly floating 758 00:44:21.519 --> 00:44:24.840 in the universe, and I saw what looked like Saturn. 759 00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:26.280 I don't know if it was Saturn or not, but 760 00:44:26.320 --> 00:44:29.119 it looked like the rings around a planet. And I 761 00:44:29.159 --> 00:44:33.400 saw this golden ball that it had like a bunch 762 00:44:33.440 --> 00:44:36.199 of I don't know, different kind of writing all over. 763 00:44:36.239 --> 00:44:38.880 It could have been Egyptian, could have been Chinese. I 764 00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:40.840 don't know what the fuck it was. It just seemed 765 00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:44.480 like archaic almost, And and but in front of me 766 00:44:44.599 --> 00:44:47.199 there was like all these like I don't know, they 767 00:44:47.280 --> 00:44:49.320 kind of look like pole noodles or if you ever 768 00:44:49.360 --> 00:44:51.880 seen like outside of cell phone stores they got the 769 00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:56.840 blowing machine. Yeah, the stated blowing machine. It looked like 770 00:44:56.880 --> 00:44:59.679 a shitload of those that were obstructing my view so 771 00:44:59.719 --> 00:45:02.920 that I couldn't see Saturn right. So but I was 772 00:45:02.960 --> 00:45:05.519 able to push those to the side, and I was 773 00:45:05.559 --> 00:45:09.039 able to see Saturn and within the rings of Saturn, 774 00:45:09.079 --> 00:45:11.760 which it didn't look like dust particles or anything like that. 775 00:45:11.800 --> 00:45:16.639 It almost looked like plasma or fluid or something like that. 776 00:45:16.679 --> 00:45:18.800 And I saw that gold ball in there, and I 777 00:45:18.840 --> 00:45:20.960 was like, oh, like, I don't know. In my mind, 778 00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:22.920 I was like, I wonder what that thing feels like. 779 00:45:23.320 --> 00:45:24.920 As soon as I had that thought, it was in 780 00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:27.880 my hand and I'm holding this ball. It's like no 781 00:45:28.000 --> 00:45:31.320 bigger than a softball, and I'm holding it, and it was, 782 00:45:31.519 --> 00:45:34.039 for some reason the most mystical experience I ever had, 783 00:45:34.119 --> 00:45:36.800 and I still don't know why, and I don't even 784 00:45:36.880 --> 00:45:39.079 know what the reason for it was. But have you 785 00:45:39.119 --> 00:45:41.480 ever experienced anything like that to where you're just like, 786 00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:46.039 you're just experiencing this weird, abstract shit, but for some 787 00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:48.880 reason it is so emotional and so meaningful to you, 788 00:45:49.119 --> 00:45:50.639 and then you don't know what to do with that 789 00:45:50.679 --> 00:45:51.800 information in the real world. 790 00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:54.800 Oh yeah, I mean, I don't know that I've had 791 00:45:54.800 --> 00:45:56.840 when the one I'm thinking of is you were asking 792 00:45:56.880 --> 00:45:59.480 the question. I don't know that I had an emotional attachment, 793 00:45:59.559 --> 00:46:02.400 but it was it's sort of adjacent to your story. 794 00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:09.039 I was in I was in hyperspace and I had 795 00:46:09.039 --> 00:46:11.039 actually gotten there on mushrooms. It was the first time 796 00:46:11.079 --> 00:46:16.079 it ever happened. And there was this pentagram that kept 797 00:46:16.360 --> 00:46:21.840 unfolding and then refolding back as the golden ratio, just 798 00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:25.119 over and over, and it was so cool, and I know, 799 00:46:25.320 --> 00:46:28.320 like it kept trying to tell me something about that, 800 00:46:28.760 --> 00:46:33.760 but like unfortunate, I'm a humanity's guy. My math is nonexistent. 801 00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:36.960 So it was like one of those situations was like, God, 802 00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:39.880 I'm too dumb to understand what this this thing is 803 00:46:39.880 --> 00:46:42.199 trying to tell me like it's so cool, and I 804 00:46:42.360 --> 00:46:45.079 know it's trying to tell me something. It's definitely trying 805 00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:48.280 to communicate, but I don't understand its language at all. 806 00:46:48.519 --> 00:46:50.239 It's interesting that you bring that up. But we were 807 00:46:50.239 --> 00:46:54.280 talking about ducktails and all of that. There was an 808 00:46:54.320 --> 00:46:57.159 episode or maybe it was a movie. I'm not sure, 809 00:46:57.159 --> 00:46:58.920 but it was one of those Disney ones or whatever, 810 00:46:58.960 --> 00:47:02.760 but they were actually teaching you about like magic right, 811 00:47:02.800 --> 00:47:06.480 and and the pagram and the golden ratio. I remember 812 00:47:06.519 --> 00:47:08.400 all of that was thrown in there, and it was 813 00:47:08.480 --> 00:47:10.920 just like, you know, so it's like, I don't know, 814 00:47:10.960 --> 00:47:13.320 maybe there is something to that as far as like 815 00:47:13.360 --> 00:47:16.480 someone else is picking that up putting it down. You know, 816 00:47:17.039 --> 00:47:19.519 we're they're showing us and you know, and then we're 817 00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:23.360 having these crazy experiences and oh yeah, I hearse something to. 818 00:47:23.400 --> 00:47:26.679 It when I but when I first started eating mushrooms, 819 00:47:26.760 --> 00:47:28.920 like when I was about eighteen years old or so, 820 00:47:29.079 --> 00:47:33.679 like I was like convinced like, oh yeah, this is 821 00:47:33.800 --> 00:47:37.440 like where they get ideas for cartoons like the Smurfs 822 00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:40.159 that they live in mushrooms or that Mary'll get the mushrooms. 823 00:47:40.159 --> 00:47:42.599 Now I don't actually know, but for me, it's just 824 00:47:42.679 --> 00:47:45.119 at all, you know, locked in perverting place. 825 00:47:46.719 --> 00:47:48.679 But that's that's kind of what I think about when 826 00:47:48.719 --> 00:47:52.000 it comes to like the the divine nature of things, 827 00:47:52.159 --> 00:47:55.079 or even the the idea of God or or something 828 00:47:55.719 --> 00:47:58.920 so so much more powerful than we are outside of us. 829 00:47:59.039 --> 00:48:02.960 I feel like maybe mushrooms and things of that nature 830 00:48:03.039 --> 00:48:05.400 brought that on. Like what came first, you know, God 831 00:48:05.519 --> 00:48:09.119 or psychedelics right, Like I don't know. I'm like right 832 00:48:09.159 --> 00:48:10.000 there right now. 833 00:48:10.840 --> 00:48:15.719 I think that what what what things like mushrooms, ayahuasca, 834 00:48:17.239 --> 00:48:21.800 da torah, eboga I find at least for me, I 835 00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:25.639 think that those that's essentially how God speaks directly to 836 00:48:25.760 --> 00:48:30.440 us and gives us that direct experience of like for me, 837 00:48:30.519 --> 00:48:34.239 it becomes undeniable, especially with like five me O d 838 00:48:34.360 --> 00:48:38.039 m T. If I was ever if there was any ever, 839 00:48:38.119 --> 00:48:40.800 any hope for me to be an atheist, like I 840 00:48:40.960 --> 00:48:44.679 can't because of five HEMEO d m T. It's just impossible, 841 00:48:44.880 --> 00:48:50.159 like experience, Yeah, I can't know it. 842 00:48:51.920 --> 00:48:53.480 That's a shout out to the toad. 843 00:48:53.679 --> 00:48:57.880 Got out to the toad absolutely, And you know, if 844 00:48:57.880 --> 00:49:00.360 somebody were to say to me, oh well, it's just 845 00:49:00.440 --> 00:49:04.320 a drug experience, it's like I feel so bad for you, 846 00:49:04.639 --> 00:49:08.480 Like because you you don't you not only don't know 847 00:49:08.519 --> 00:49:12.199 what you're talking about, but because you are having arrogance 848 00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:14.719 about it, you are never going to actually see this. 849 00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:16.480 It was like going back to when we were just 850 00:49:16.519 --> 00:49:19.199 talking about magic earlier. I forget News said there was 851 00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:21.480 a quote, but it's like, if you don't believe in magic, 852 00:49:21.519 --> 00:49:22.559 you're never gonna find it. 853 00:49:23.280 --> 00:49:25.199 Yeah, you'll never experience it. 854 00:49:25.480 --> 00:49:28.599 Yeah, you're never Yeah, you'll always come up with an 855 00:49:28.679 --> 00:49:31.639 excuse why it's something else. And in fact, I was 856 00:49:31.639 --> 00:49:36.480 talking to do you know what, Peter Bogosian. Yes, So 857 00:49:36.599 --> 00:49:38.880 he's a friend of mine and we had dinner one 858 00:49:38.960 --> 00:49:42.400 night and we were talking. He's an atheist and he 859 00:49:42.440 --> 00:49:44.800 wrote a book called a Manual for Creating Atheists, and 860 00:49:44.880 --> 00:49:46.880 I was like, oh, that's funny. I'm writing a manual 861 00:49:46.960 --> 00:49:51.239 for how to create more psychedelic witches. And so he 862 00:49:51.400 --> 00:49:54.639 was asking me, you know, well, what is my method 863 00:49:54.719 --> 00:49:57.760 for error correction? Like and that's a great question, like 864 00:49:57.840 --> 00:50:00.440 how do I know if I'm right or wrong about 865 00:50:00.440 --> 00:50:04.320 this stuff? And very excellent question. I have a few answers. 866 00:50:04.400 --> 00:50:08.880 First and foremost, if I were actually making up these goddesses, 867 00:50:09.639 --> 00:50:14.199 they wouldn't look how they look when I see them. 868 00:50:14.679 --> 00:50:17.440 I don't know if you how old you guys are, 869 00:50:17.599 --> 00:50:20.480 but you might some of your listeners might be familiar 870 00:50:20.519 --> 00:50:23.920 with the band Lords of Acid from the nineties. 871 00:50:25.400 --> 00:50:28.239 Okay, yeah, I'm thirty five, so that's okay. 872 00:50:28.280 --> 00:50:31.079 I was born in ninety just yeah, just a little 873 00:50:31.119 --> 00:50:35.079 before your time, just slightly. Anyway, if you were to 874 00:50:35.199 --> 00:50:39.360 look up Lords of Acid Voodoo, you you'll see these 875 00:50:39.480 --> 00:50:43.400 Coop Devil girls. If I were making up Guy a 876 00:50:43.440 --> 00:50:45.760 Hecata and seriously, they'd be fucking they'd be looking like 877 00:50:45.800 --> 00:50:49.360 those devil girls, just saying like that's first and foremost. 878 00:50:50.079 --> 00:50:51.280 What was the name of the song? 879 00:50:52.159 --> 00:50:56.800 Oh, the album is called Voodoo the oo D I 880 00:50:56.840 --> 00:51:00.760 think oo dash and just the letter you gotcha? 881 00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:01.079 All right? 882 00:51:01.159 --> 00:51:04.519 Yeah, I want to pull that up. Oh it has 883 00:51:04.559 --> 00:51:05.800 like the two Devil chicks on it. 884 00:51:06.280 --> 00:51:09.800 Yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah, yeah, I think a lot of 885 00:51:09.800 --> 00:51:12.639 people have it's it's it's a they're like the Coop 886 00:51:12.760 --> 00:51:15.840 is the name of the artist. It's a pretty famous. Uh. 887 00:51:16.559 --> 00:51:20.840 I guess we're doing a screen share here. Yeahs exactly. Anyway, 888 00:51:21.039 --> 00:51:25.039 if I were making up Gaya or they'd be looking 889 00:51:25.119 --> 00:51:25.440 like that. 890 00:51:25.920 --> 00:51:28.159 Oh hell, yeah, you figure rut hanging. 891 00:51:28.000 --> 00:51:29.639 Out of the mouth and everything. You know what I'm saying. 892 00:51:29.880 --> 00:51:33.159 Second thing is that they say things to me that 893 00:51:33.679 --> 00:51:37.840 I wouldn't have made up, Like I'm not. Look, one 894 00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:39.760 of the reasons I do history is because I'm not 895 00:51:39.800 --> 00:51:42.760 that creative. Like there are things that I've seen that 896 00:51:42.880 --> 00:51:45.079 I can't I don't have the ability to think of 897 00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:48.880 this stuff. When I've asked my God said, oh is 898 00:51:48.960 --> 00:51:52.159 this is like this practice? Okay, like when you asked 899 00:51:52.159 --> 00:51:55.079 me earlier, you know, like where do I how do 900 00:51:55.119 --> 00:51:56.840 I come up with this? It's like I ask them. 901 00:51:57.199 --> 00:51:59.400 Sometimes they say, yeah, I'm doing it right. Sometimes they 902 00:51:59.440 --> 00:52:02.119 say I'm doing it wrong. So like if I were 903 00:52:02.159 --> 00:52:04.880 making it up, wouldn't it just be all the way 904 00:52:04.960 --> 00:52:06.920 one way or all the way the other way? Like 905 00:52:06.960 --> 00:52:11.559 every time? You know, and it's just another thing. And 906 00:52:11.559 --> 00:52:13.960 this is the hardest part for people. You guys will 907 00:52:14.039 --> 00:52:16.559 understand it, but people who haven't had like that deep 908 00:52:16.679 --> 00:52:20.719 endeogenic experience won't get this. When you're speaking to an entity, 909 00:52:21.079 --> 00:52:24.480 you can tell that it's not your thoughts because you 910 00:52:24.559 --> 00:52:26.519 don't know what it's going to say any more than 911 00:52:26.599 --> 00:52:28.960 Jonathan Jean any more than I know what either one 912 00:52:28.960 --> 00:52:31.480 of you are about to say. And when I'm in 913 00:52:31.559 --> 00:52:35.000 that space, like, yeah, my brain will get like bifurcated, triforgain. 914 00:52:35.280 --> 00:52:38.280 I could see like different areas of where my thoughts are. 915 00:52:38.679 --> 00:52:41.079 But when I'm talking to God, it's not coming from me. 916 00:52:41.480 --> 00:52:45.599 And unless you've been there, it's very difficult, and I 917 00:52:45.639 --> 00:52:48.639 can understand why somebody would be skeptical. But if you 918 00:52:49.000 --> 00:52:51.239 have actually been in that space, you would know what 919 00:52:51.239 --> 00:52:54.079 I mean when I say that, you know when it's 920 00:52:54.079 --> 00:52:56.280 coming from something else and when it's coming from you. 921 00:52:56.800 --> 00:52:59.960 Yeah, when it shocks you. You know, when it's almost 922 00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:02.360 startles you because you weren't even really expecting it. I've 923 00:53:02.400 --> 00:53:04.639 had that before where it was like WHOA, what was that? 924 00:53:05.400 --> 00:53:05.599 You know? 925 00:53:05.840 --> 00:53:08.920 One time it was made me feel kind of uneasy 926 00:53:08.960 --> 00:53:11.800 because it was one time where it said something and 927 00:53:11.840 --> 00:53:13.840 today I don't remember what it was, but it was 928 00:53:13.880 --> 00:53:15.599 only a few words, you know, And then all of 929 00:53:15.639 --> 00:53:19.079 a sudden, it was like this laughter, you know, not 930 00:53:19.280 --> 00:53:22.360 like a I don't know, like a friendly person laughing 931 00:53:22.400 --> 00:53:25.360 at you or laughing with you, but like like almost 932 00:53:25.360 --> 00:53:27.519 a maniacal kind of laugh. And I was like, oh, 933 00:53:27.760 --> 00:53:29.440 like kind of scared the shit out of me. And 934 00:53:29.480 --> 00:53:33.480 I know that that wasn't me for sure? Why you know, like, 935 00:53:33.559 --> 00:53:35.599 why would I do that? I mean, sure, you can 936 00:53:35.760 --> 00:53:37.880 argue that, well, you know, you go to sleep at 937 00:53:37.920 --> 00:53:41.039 night and you have a nightmare, and that's you doing 938 00:53:41.079 --> 00:53:43.280 that to yourself or that's coming from you, or at 939 00:53:43.360 --> 00:53:46.320 least that's what most people would think. But when I 940 00:53:46.360 --> 00:53:50.280 heard whatever that was, and it was so distinctly not me, 941 00:53:50.719 --> 00:53:52.480 like I know exactly what you're talking about. 942 00:53:52.519 --> 00:53:55.840 Sure, but yeah, sure, up to your point, when you 943 00:53:55.920 --> 00:53:58.159 wake up, Like so when that happens, is that true? 944 00:53:58.159 --> 00:54:00.239 Like you haven't that make you wake up? Do you 945 00:54:00.280 --> 00:54:02.119 have any questions to whether or not you just had 946 00:54:02.159 --> 00:54:04.039 a nightmare woke up and it came from inside you? 947 00:54:05.079 --> 00:54:07.440 Do I have any questions? As far as say that again, 948 00:54:07.480 --> 00:54:08.519 I'm sorry, Do you. 949 00:54:08.480 --> 00:54:10.320 Have any questions that it was all just a dream? 950 00:54:11.320 --> 00:54:11.920 No? 951 00:54:11.920 --> 00:54:14.039 No, of course not, because it was just a dream. 952 00:54:14.280 --> 00:54:17.280 When you're actually talking to an entity, it's a totally 953 00:54:17.360 --> 00:54:18.280 different thing. 954 00:54:18.440 --> 00:54:20.320 Well, and that's the thing too. When I heard that 955 00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:22.880 laugh or whatever, I wasn't asleep, you know, I was 956 00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:27.599 just in like a really deep meditative, almost asleep type mindset. 957 00:54:27.840 --> 00:54:30.199 So yeah, it was super strange, man, It kind of 958 00:54:30.239 --> 00:54:32.320 scared me. I was like, what was that? You know? 959 00:54:32.440 --> 00:54:35.199 And that was it. It didn't do anything else after that. 960 00:54:35.360 --> 00:54:37.079 You know, maybe it knew it spooked me a little 961 00:54:37.079 --> 00:54:39.000 bit and was like, oh I went too far. 962 00:54:39.239 --> 00:54:39.400 You know. 963 00:54:40.039 --> 00:54:40.480 Good thing. 964 00:54:42.039 --> 00:54:46.519 Don't you think though that dreams and nightmares and psychedelics 965 00:54:46.559 --> 00:54:49.119 they they kind of cross swords a little bit, though, 966 00:54:49.159 --> 00:54:51.719 wouldn't you say, Like you're putting yourself in a state 967 00:54:51.760 --> 00:54:54.199 of mind to be able to perceive something other that 968 00:54:54.239 --> 00:54:57.039 you otherwise wouldn't be right, It's kind of similar. 969 00:54:57.599 --> 00:54:59.800 Well, I mean I sometimes do it on purpose, like 970 00:54:59.840 --> 00:55:03.719 with omini a muscaria. That's the famous red top white 971 00:55:03.719 --> 00:55:06.159 spotted mushroom. You see them in fairy tales and smart 972 00:55:06.159 --> 00:55:06.760 houses and. 973 00:55:06.719 --> 00:55:10.519 All that reindeers love them? Was that the reindeer love them? 974 00:55:10.800 --> 00:55:12.760 Yeah, the reindeer do love it. I love them too. 975 00:55:12.800 --> 00:55:15.239 I eat omnia like three times four times a week, 976 00:55:15.440 --> 00:55:18.760 like for a dream. Yeah no, because it's seriously like 977 00:55:19.159 --> 00:55:25.480 so again, like there is there are medicinal benefits to 978 00:55:25.719 --> 00:55:28.880 all of these medicines. Like without medicinal benefits of medicines, 979 00:55:28.880 --> 00:55:30.880 that's redundant. But you know what I'm saying, Like there 980 00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:34.639 are absolutely medicinal benefits to them. But what I'm hoping 981 00:55:35.119 --> 00:55:38.519 to sort of help like people understand better is like 982 00:55:38.880 --> 00:55:43.239 there are occult parts to these things as well, and 983 00:55:43.320 --> 00:55:46.719 why you can use Omnium muscaria both to micro dose. 984 00:55:46.760 --> 00:55:49.239 It's great for micro dos and and just like it 985 00:55:49.280 --> 00:55:51.800 has great somatic effects, like if you have aches or 986 00:55:51.800 --> 00:55:53.800 pains on your body, it's great for that as well. 987 00:55:54.199 --> 00:55:58.039 But it's true power rests in the dream realm because 988 00:55:58.199 --> 00:56:00.199 when you take omni like I take om need to 989 00:56:00.280 --> 00:56:04.519 Mascaria before bed, especially sometimes I'll make a potion of Omanito, Mascaria, 990 00:56:04.599 --> 00:56:10.320 mug wart and blue lotus, and the dreams are so 991 00:56:10.599 --> 00:56:15.840 they're lucid, they're vivid, They're saturated with symbolism and meaning 992 00:56:15.960 --> 00:56:18.320 I can have like I could fly whenever I want, 993 00:56:18.400 --> 00:56:21.800 and flying dreams are the best and Omanita flying dreams 994 00:56:21.880 --> 00:56:25.639 are phenomenal because when you wake up, you don't feel like, ah, 995 00:56:25.679 --> 00:56:28.159 show that was a dream with Dominiti, Like fuck, I 996 00:56:28.199 --> 00:56:31.920 was just flying last night, like like seriously, it feels real. 997 00:56:31.960 --> 00:56:34.280 It's so cool, bro, we're. 998 00:56:34.079 --> 00:56:39.800 Talking just Dominitamyscaria, blue lotus, and mug wart combined into 999 00:56:39.840 --> 00:56:43.880 one thing. I can't even that sounds awesome. 1000 00:56:44.039 --> 00:56:44.239 Night. 1001 00:56:44.599 --> 00:56:46.559 Yeah, and I love that you're taking it right before 1002 00:56:46.559 --> 00:56:49.320 you go to sleep so that you can experience this 1003 00:56:49.400 --> 00:56:50.559 kind of stuff within a dream. 1004 00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:55.280 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a whole like so the 1005 00:56:55.280 --> 00:57:00.440 the the mixture, it's five grams of mugwort, five grams 1006 00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:03.280 of blue lotus, and eight grams of Omnium scaria. 1007 00:57:04.440 --> 00:57:09.800 Oh okay, I know that Amininum ascaria is very different 1008 00:57:09.880 --> 00:57:12.960 from other kind of psychedelic mushrooms, like as far as 1009 00:57:13.000 --> 00:57:16.559 the the experience goes. So eight grams of it is 1010 00:57:16.599 --> 00:57:19.000 not like a heroic dosage by any means, right, No. 1011 00:57:19.400 --> 00:57:23.920 Yeah, that's yeah, exactly like eight grams of amanita is 1012 00:57:24.679 --> 00:57:27.559 I mean, I would say it's kind of equivalent to 1013 00:57:27.639 --> 00:57:33.400 maybe half an eighth of psilocybin. Oh okay, that split 1014 00:57:33.480 --> 00:57:35.400 in eighth with a body and you sort of kind 1015 00:57:35.400 --> 00:57:37.960 of like you have one foot in like you're tripping. 1016 00:57:37.679 --> 00:57:39.519 But it's not like a total Broiders are a little 1017 00:57:39.559 --> 00:57:43.599 bit different. The sunlight's coming in a little bit rainbowish colors. 1018 00:57:45.199 --> 00:57:50.559 Yeah, but yeah amanita, Yeah, about eight grams, you're looking 1019 00:57:50.559 --> 00:57:52.840 at that between five and eight of course, depending on 1020 00:57:53.159 --> 00:57:55.920 you know, body size tolerance. 1021 00:57:55.960 --> 00:58:00.199 All that stuff gets factored in as well. But whereas 1022 00:58:00.400 --> 00:58:03.360 for like a breakthrough with Almanita, you're looking at between 1023 00:58:03.440 --> 00:58:06.320 like ten closer to fifteen grams. 1024 00:58:07.519 --> 00:58:10.760 Okay, Now, if I remember correctly, you're a you. You 1025 00:58:10.840 --> 00:58:14.199 go out and forge these yourself, right, Oh man, what 1026 00:58:15.360 --> 00:58:17.320 just out of curiosity, what state are you living in? 1027 00:58:17.800 --> 00:58:20.440 I live in Oregon. I live in Portland, Oregon. I 1028 00:58:20.480 --> 00:58:21.440 go to the coast. 1029 00:58:21.599 --> 00:58:24.440 Okay, so that's like pretty prominent towards that way. 1030 00:58:24.480 --> 00:58:27.039 Then, Oh yeah, they're all over the place out here. 1031 00:58:27.079 --> 00:58:29.320 I love It's one of the reasons, you know what. 1032 00:58:29.480 --> 00:58:31.920 I'm born and raised in New York, and I gotta 1033 00:58:31.960 --> 00:58:34.639 tell you, man, I did not like the rain at all. 1034 00:58:34.760 --> 00:58:39.519 Now that I've lived in Oregon for going on ooh 1035 00:58:39.639 --> 00:58:42.360 eleven years now, now I love the rain because when 1036 00:58:42.360 --> 00:58:44.719 it rains, I know that it's just bringing mushrooms. 1037 00:58:44.800 --> 00:58:47.840 So I love that. Yeah, you know what, Tom, it is. 1038 00:58:48.760 --> 00:58:50.360 It's funny because you were talking about I wanted to 1039 00:58:50.360 --> 00:58:52.679 mention something like we were talking earlier about how we 1040 00:58:52.719 --> 00:58:55.840 can't find a common denominator as far as like what 1041 00:58:55.880 --> 00:58:58.119 people believe in all of that, Like can we all 1042 00:58:58.159 --> 00:59:00.800 just agree that flying in dreams is the best thing, 1043 00:59:01.079 --> 00:59:03.719 you know, Like we all. Nobody's like I don't want 1044 00:59:03.719 --> 00:59:06.039 to fly in my dream. Everybody loves thefing like that's 1045 00:59:06.079 --> 00:59:09.039 the number one thing we want to do as soon 1046 00:59:09.039 --> 00:59:12.519 as we realize we're lucid, exactly if you can become lucid. 1047 00:59:12.559 --> 00:59:14.119 I feel like I haven't had a lucid dream, and 1048 00:59:14.840 --> 00:59:16.280 I don't even know how long. 1049 00:59:16.280 --> 00:59:18.920 I'minate a mascar and my friend all right, all right, 1050 00:59:19.000 --> 00:59:21.320 dominated mascall, they'll clear that right up. 1051 00:59:21.719 --> 00:59:22.039 All right. 1052 00:59:22.119 --> 00:59:24.320 I need to find if any of that grows in 1053 00:59:24.360 --> 00:59:26.320 the South. I live in Texas. I can't. I mean, 1054 00:59:26.480 --> 00:59:28.840 do you think that that grows anywhere other than the 1055 00:59:28.840 --> 00:59:31.239 moist right outside of Houston? 1056 00:59:32.159 --> 00:59:35.599 So I guess, So is that more central uh? 1057 00:59:35.639 --> 00:59:37.480 Eastern Mari? 1058 00:59:38.320 --> 00:59:41.880 Yeah, because you're closer to Louisiana, right, yes, Okay, no, 1059 00:59:42.079 --> 00:59:45.639 you you there, there's a you might be able to 1060 00:59:45.639 --> 00:59:48.199 find some ominida. So the thing about the United States 1061 00:59:48.320 --> 00:59:51.920 is funny, is Amanita is pretty prevalent everywhere except there's 1062 00:59:51.960 --> 00:59:56.960 this one scary strip from essentially like North Dakota down 1063 00:59:58.320 --> 01:00:00.920 where there's just no amanita at all. Because that's we're 1064 01:00:00.920 --> 01:00:03.960 all like the plains and the grasslands and all that shit, 1065 01:00:04.079 --> 01:00:07.960 you know, the cornfields and everything, and then you get 1066 01:00:07.960 --> 01:00:11.239 down into Texas, it's getting into desert, so you don't 1067 01:00:11.280 --> 01:00:19.159 have the omnita for that whole stretch, that whole vertical stretch. 1068 01:00:19.840 --> 01:00:24.039 Okay, so they're like pretty prominent in Louisiana. Then oh yeah, 1069 01:00:24.639 --> 01:00:27.079 oh my god, Louisiana tomorrow. 1070 01:00:27.559 --> 01:00:31.239 So Louisiana is the only state in the United States 1071 01:00:31.280 --> 01:00:34.960 where domini and mascaria is illegal. State. 1072 01:00:35.519 --> 01:00:38.119 Yeah, they haven't even legalized weed over there yet. I'm like, 1073 01:00:38.199 --> 01:00:41.519 what are you doing, dude? Come on really, yeah. 1074 01:00:41.119 --> 01:00:44.599 Wow, get on board with like the twenty first century. 1075 01:00:45.480 --> 01:00:47.199 I mean, they don't give a fuck when anybody does 1076 01:00:47.199 --> 01:00:49.440 for Marti Gras, but you know, three hundred and sixty 1077 01:00:49.440 --> 01:00:52.639 two other days out of the year it's illegal. You know, 1078 01:00:52.880 --> 01:00:53.880 it's it's crazy. 1079 01:00:53.880 --> 01:01:11.360 They were smoking marijuana cigarette. 1080 01:01:04.519 --> 01:01:06.280 Smoke two joints in the moment. 1081 01:01:07.880 --> 01:01:10.079 I used to I used to. For whatever reason, I 1082 01:01:10.639 --> 01:01:13.639 can't smoke weed anymore. Like it's just like not agreeing 1083 01:01:13.639 --> 01:01:15.800 with me anymore. Yeah, I don't know, I don't know 1084 01:01:15.800 --> 01:01:16.440 what the deal is. 1085 01:01:16.639 --> 01:01:19.039 It's just as much as I used to. I mean, 1086 01:01:19.079 --> 01:01:20.559 I feel you, man, I used to be Yeah, like 1087 01:01:20.599 --> 01:01:23.280 smoke two joints in the morning and like, what a 1088 01:01:23.400 --> 01:01:26.119 joy to be in my twenties, right, But I can't 1089 01:01:26.119 --> 01:01:26.920 do that anymore. Yeah. 1090 01:01:26.920 --> 01:01:28.639 I felt like you could just wake up and just 1091 01:01:28.800 --> 01:01:31.000 smoke and just get to the level and go like, 1092 01:01:31.039 --> 01:01:32.880 oh I feel great, I feel good. I when to 1093 01:01:32.920 --> 01:01:35.480 go and just enjoyed the rest of my day. Now 1094 01:01:35.519 --> 01:01:39.159 it's like anxiety and stress and like, I don't know. 1095 01:01:39.440 --> 01:01:42.559 Man, I'll just get retired too soon, Like I won't 1096 01:01:42.559 --> 01:01:45.079 get anxiety or stress. I'll just be like and I 1097 01:01:45.079 --> 01:01:49.159 don't I like to I like cannabis, like saving it 1098 01:01:49.239 --> 01:01:50.880 for at night. I don't know. I just think it's better. 1099 01:01:51.559 --> 01:01:52.000 Mm hmm. 1100 01:01:52.760 --> 01:01:53.360 I just like that. 1101 01:01:54.199 --> 01:01:56.760 Oh yeah, Now just to go back to the Amanador 1102 01:01:56.760 --> 01:01:58.960 real quick, because I'm super curious about this since I'm 1103 01:01:58.960 --> 01:02:02.280 going there tomorrow. Is there any because I know that 1104 01:02:02.519 --> 01:02:04.960 forging for mushrooms can be a bit dangerous because a 1105 01:02:04.960 --> 01:02:07.239 lot of the mushrooms look very similar and you don't 1106 01:02:07.239 --> 01:02:09.559 know if you're getting the good guy or the poisonous kind. 1107 01:02:09.800 --> 01:02:13.039 Is there a look alike with Amanita muscaria that you 1108 01:02:13.039 --> 01:02:16.159 shouldn't touch, or if it looks like Amanita, it's okay. 1109 01:02:17.039 --> 01:02:19.719 So the awesome thing about the Omanito mascaria is that 1110 01:02:19.760 --> 01:02:23.719 there are no deadly lookikes. Okay, nominido mascaria does not 1111 01:02:23.760 --> 01:02:28.039 look like any other there's it's either an ominio mascari 1112 01:02:28.159 --> 01:02:32.679 or it's not. Now, there are varieties within amanita, so 1113 01:02:32.840 --> 01:02:36.000 I think that. But in Louisiana, you guys would get 1114 01:02:36.000 --> 01:02:41.239 the amanita muscaria var persissina. I think that's what's around there, 1115 01:02:42.599 --> 01:02:46.079 which might have more of a like an orange or 1116 01:02:46.199 --> 01:02:51.679 yellow flare to it. Like around here we get the amanita, 1117 01:02:51.840 --> 01:02:55.360 we get muscaria, but we also get uh ominito mascaria 1118 01:02:55.480 --> 01:03:00.000 var formosa. And there's another one. I forget what it's called, 1119 01:03:00.280 --> 01:03:04.840 but anyway, the foremost is like way more orange and yellow. 1120 01:03:05.039 --> 01:03:07.920 There's also the panther cap is around here that's brown. 1121 01:03:08.400 --> 01:03:12.480 But the ones that will kill you, like the the 1122 01:03:12.519 --> 01:03:16.639 omanito wirola. It's a totally white mushroom. There's no red, 1123 01:03:16.639 --> 01:03:18.840 there's no color to it at all. Like you can't 1124 01:03:19.199 --> 01:03:23.559 miscake anything, you can't escape for anything. I said, I think, 1125 01:03:23.599 --> 01:03:28.039 I said, we're roll I met weirosa excuse wosa. The 1126 01:03:28.079 --> 01:03:31.559 amanita floides is the same thing, like it's like this 1127 01:03:32.320 --> 01:03:36.639 piss yellow brown color and you look at it and 1128 01:03:36.679 --> 01:03:39.800 you wouldn't want to eat it, you know. Right, So 1129 01:03:40.280 --> 01:03:43.719 there's there are a few deadly ones. But again especially 1130 01:03:43.719 --> 01:03:47.119 with the amanito mascari itself like the bright red there's 1131 01:03:47.159 --> 01:03:50.159 no other mushroom that looks like it. And with the 1132 01:03:50.320 --> 01:03:53.280 other varieties that like with Amanito, the ones that are 1133 01:03:53.280 --> 01:03:56.000 going to kill you don't look like an omnitum mascari 1134 01:03:56.079 --> 01:03:59.679 at all, whereas the ones that are still edible, they'll 1135 01:03:59.719 --> 01:04:02.559 they'll kind of look like the dominitum mascaria. They just 1136 01:04:02.639 --> 01:04:04.559 might be a little bit more orange or a little 1137 01:04:04.559 --> 01:04:05.239 bit more yellow. 1138 01:04:06.320 --> 01:04:08.639 You know what's funny is is that the Dominie muscaria 1139 01:04:08.960 --> 01:04:11.599 it looks like it wants to be eaten, you know 1140 01:04:11.639 --> 01:04:13.679 what I'm saying, Like it looks like a candy. It's 1141 01:04:13.719 --> 01:04:16.599 almost like inviting you to eat it. I love it, 1142 01:04:16.639 --> 01:04:19.599 I know, like it's it's it's its purpose to exist 1143 01:04:19.719 --> 01:04:21.840 inside of you, to give you this experience. 1144 01:04:22.000 --> 01:04:24.599 You're making a grab my amanite and have a little 1145 01:04:24.599 --> 01:04:25.599 bit because you're making me want of you. 1146 01:04:25.920 --> 01:04:26.360 Let's go. 1147 01:04:27.800 --> 01:04:30.960 It's crazy that that the earth makes mushrooms that will 1148 01:04:31.039 --> 01:04:34.000 get you to see God and also mushrooms that'll just 1149 01:04:34.199 --> 01:04:36.079 end you. Yeah, and then you see God. 1150 01:04:36.639 --> 01:04:42.920 Right, I agree? I I mean, these are more with Amanita, 1151 01:04:43.760 --> 01:04:48.960 so like wow, with psilocybin mushrooms, Like I'm by my altar, 1152 01:04:49.039 --> 01:04:51.920 I'm doing all my little witchy stuff. I'm no longer 1153 01:04:51.960 --> 01:04:55.599 in my altar space. I'm in the other world with Amanita. 1154 01:04:55.679 --> 01:04:57.599 What it does is it brings the other world to me, 1155 01:04:57.800 --> 01:05:00.639 like it enchants my whole space, and that's all. I 1156 01:05:00.679 --> 01:05:01.679 love the Smiffero. 1157 01:05:03.440 --> 01:05:04.960 Chance, can you show us one of them? I don't 1158 01:05:05.000 --> 01:05:09.559 know if I've ever actually seen one of those, like, oh. 1159 01:05:09.400 --> 01:05:13.280 Wow, interesting, Yeah, I've I've seen, you know, just the 1160 01:05:13.280 --> 01:05:17.199 the top red and white caps, you know, like like 1161 01:05:17.400 --> 01:05:22.880 you know in uh Super Mario and right, and how 1162 01:05:22.920 --> 01:05:24.599 long do you got to dry those babies out for? 1163 01:05:25.880 --> 01:05:29.599 So you get a dehydrator and you just set it 1164 01:05:29.599 --> 01:05:31.800 to one hundred and sixty five degrees before you go 1165 01:05:31.840 --> 01:05:33.119 to bed. You wake up, they're. 1166 01:05:33.000 --> 01:05:37.679 Ready really okay? All right, I'm doing eight hours or so. 1167 01:05:38.840 --> 01:05:41.320 All right, twenty twenty six might be off the table, Sean, 1168 01:05:41.360 --> 01:05:42.519 I'm sorry if I find. 1169 01:05:42.280 --> 01:05:46.000 These things, hey do you dude? You all right? I mean, 1170 01:05:46.079 --> 01:05:47.039 I'm just not ready. 1171 01:05:47.199 --> 01:05:49.280 I like the fact that you know, you can eat 1172 01:05:49.400 --> 01:05:51.960 so much of them and only have like a quarter 1173 01:05:52.000 --> 01:05:54.440 of a trip that's that seems fun to me. 1174 01:05:54.719 --> 01:05:55.000 I don't. 1175 01:05:55.039 --> 01:05:58.400 I don't need to blast off to you know, have 1176 01:05:58.440 --> 01:06:02.199 a fucking near death experience to enjoy these kind of things. 1177 01:06:02.480 --> 01:06:05.360 No, I'm to the point where I don't really need 1178 01:06:05.400 --> 01:06:09.079 my entire reality to just seem like chaos. You know, 1179 01:06:09.239 --> 01:06:11.599 like I'm okay with like the different colors and you know, 1180 01:06:11.679 --> 01:06:14.760 the introspective thoughts, but like, I don't need everything to 1181 01:06:14.920 --> 01:06:16.760 just seem like it's closing in on me and I 1182 01:06:16.800 --> 01:06:17.320 can't handle. 1183 01:06:17.400 --> 01:06:21.280 That's the thing, man, if you like with with ritual work, 1184 01:06:21.400 --> 01:06:24.480 Like for me, psychedelgic experiences are not chaotic at all, 1185 01:06:25.239 --> 01:06:29.199 Like they're really not. They're actually like very I mean, 1186 01:06:29.320 --> 01:06:32.159 I don't know if sober is the right word or sobering, 1187 01:06:32.199 --> 01:06:39.920 but they're very clear and like there's no there's no 1188 01:06:40.119 --> 01:06:42.480 I don't have like much like a lot of questions 1189 01:06:42.480 --> 01:06:44.960 about them. There's no trickery with them, like I've heard 1190 01:06:45.039 --> 01:06:48.239 some people say, like, oh, mushrooms are tricksters. It's like, no, 1191 01:06:48.400 --> 01:06:52.559 they're not not for me, Like they they've always been 1192 01:06:52.920 --> 01:06:56.039 gentle and kind and open to sharing their wisdom, right 1193 01:06:57.159 --> 01:06:57.440 you know. 1194 01:06:57.559 --> 01:07:00.360 Yeah, that's how it seems okay, I'm sorry, No, go 1195 01:07:00.440 --> 01:07:00.639 for it. 1196 01:07:00.679 --> 01:07:01.079 Go for it. 1197 01:07:01.119 --> 01:07:03.000 I was just gonna say, usually that seems how it 1198 01:07:03.119 --> 01:07:05.400 how it is like you you, it's you seem very 1199 01:07:05.440 --> 01:07:08.800 clear and and and like just alive, and like everything 1200 01:07:08.880 --> 01:07:11.679 else seems much more alive. And and I've had those 1201 01:07:11.719 --> 01:07:15.599 experiences like what you're trying to describe, but this last 1202 01:07:15.639 --> 01:07:18.400 time like going up, like when the when the roller 1203 01:07:18.400 --> 01:07:20.199 coaster was starting to go up, and I was really 1204 01:07:20.280 --> 01:07:23.320 starting to like lose track of what I knew to 1205 01:07:23.400 --> 01:07:26.199 be familiar, you know, like that kind of would just 1206 01:07:26.519 --> 01:07:30.199 was just shedding away. And so like we were in 1207 01:07:30.199 --> 01:07:32.480 my backyard and I got some weeds growing, you know, 1208 01:07:32.559 --> 01:07:34.880 and the breeze was blowing a little bit, and everything 1209 01:07:35.039 --> 01:07:38.239 just seemed like too it was just too much, you 1210 01:07:38.280 --> 01:07:39.079 know to take in. 1211 01:07:39.760 --> 01:07:42.559 To be fair, it wasn't mushrooms. It was for a 1212 01:07:42.679 --> 01:07:46.280 C O D M T. But it's like adelic experience. 1213 01:07:45.840 --> 01:07:49.079 I guess, wow, yeah, ok, yeah, but but so yeah, 1214 01:07:49.119 --> 01:07:51.199 it was. It was it was just and what the 1215 01:07:51.239 --> 01:07:53.440 way that I can explain that, or at least how 1216 01:07:53.480 --> 01:07:56.719 I see it is that like everything that I knew 1217 01:07:56.800 --> 01:07:59.920 to be familiar, like the the models within my mind 1218 01:08:00.320 --> 01:08:03.239 that tells me what things are without really having to 1219 01:08:03.280 --> 01:08:05.440 think about it. You know, it's it just is it's 1220 01:08:05.440 --> 01:08:09.199 already kind of in my programming or my mind, all 1221 01:08:09.239 --> 01:08:12.320 of that was going away, and so now it's just 1222 01:08:12.480 --> 01:08:15.800 like all of this information that my mind feels that 1223 01:08:15.880 --> 01:08:18.880 it has to try to process and and kind of 1224 01:08:18.920 --> 01:08:23.680 not figure out but get refamiliarized with what's happening, you 1225 01:08:23.720 --> 01:08:26.840 know what I'm saying. And so everything was just like, dude, 1226 01:08:26.880 --> 01:08:29.239 I was talking to him. Jonathan was keeping me cool. 1227 01:08:29.319 --> 01:08:31.199 He's like, ah, you're good, dude, don't even worry. And 1228 01:08:31.239 --> 01:08:32.680 I was like, yeah, dude, I don't know, man, this 1229 01:08:32.800 --> 01:08:34.439 is just too much. And I was looking up and 1230 01:08:34.840 --> 01:08:37.199 I was I was just tripping basically, you know what 1231 01:08:37.239 --> 01:08:39.560 I mean. But after that I calmed down. You know. 1232 01:08:39.640 --> 01:08:41.800 It was just it was just going up the roller coaster. 1233 01:08:42.199 --> 01:08:45.560 Once I got up there, I was like, Okay, I'm good, 1234 01:08:45.840 --> 01:08:46.960 you know, but it was good. 1235 01:08:47.159 --> 01:08:50.399 Shit, dude, that's a lot of people like I've been 1236 01:08:50.479 --> 01:08:53.640 there too, sometimes like back in the day that hasn't 1237 01:08:53.640 --> 01:08:56.079 happened a long time. But yeah, like the come up 1238 01:08:56.560 --> 01:08:59.319 can be a little like oh shit, you know, like 1239 01:08:59.560 --> 01:09:02.399 ring yeah, like because did I do it right? Like 1240 01:09:02.479 --> 01:09:05.880 did I step on the wrong cosmic toes or like 1241 01:09:05.880 --> 01:09:08.159 like am I like, am I going to be welcome 1242 01:09:08.199 --> 01:09:11.319 this time? And we always are? I mean at least 1243 01:09:11.359 --> 01:09:12.760 I always am. And I don't know. 1244 01:09:12.960 --> 01:09:15.199 Yeah, I mean after that, it was fine, you know. 1245 01:09:15.279 --> 01:09:19.560 Yeah, but yeah, I just let that worry. Like I 1246 01:09:19.640 --> 01:09:22.560 know that. Believe me when I say I know that 1247 01:09:22.680 --> 01:09:27.479 feeling very well, but I I found that it just 1248 01:09:29.640 --> 01:09:35.479 I was making myself uneasy for no reason. Yeah, because 1249 01:09:35.760 --> 01:09:38.560 every time when I finally break through to your point, 1250 01:09:38.680 --> 01:09:41.760 Sean is like, oh, it's always awesome. Yeah, And so 1251 01:09:41.880 --> 01:09:44.600 I finally just got to a point where I stopped 1252 01:09:44.800 --> 01:09:49.000 all together, even having like allowing that worry to come, 1253 01:09:49.520 --> 01:09:52.079 because it's always fucking awesome once you get to the 1254 01:09:52.119 --> 01:09:52.479 other side. 1255 01:09:52.560 --> 01:09:54.720 Yeah, once you get to the other side, like all 1256 01:09:54.760 --> 01:09:56.960 of the models are still kind of gone, but you're 1257 01:09:57.079 --> 01:09:59.680 comfortable with there now and now you just get to 1258 01:10:00.079 --> 01:10:04.000 joy observing things almost for the first time, and you 1259 01:10:04.039 --> 01:10:06.079 could just space right. 1260 01:10:06.359 --> 01:10:08.199 Yeah. It's it's kind of like getting into like a 1261 01:10:08.239 --> 01:10:10.159 pool that's either a little too hot or a little 1262 01:10:10.159 --> 01:10:12.399 too cold, but after you're in there for a little bit, 1263 01:10:12.479 --> 01:10:15.199 your your body's adjusted and you're like, Okay, this is fine, 1264 01:10:15.279 --> 01:10:16.159 you know, mm hmm. 1265 01:10:16.239 --> 01:10:18.199 Yeah, it's a it can be a full on mystical 1266 01:10:18.239 --> 01:10:20.600 experience once you cross that home, you know. 1267 01:10:20.960 --> 01:10:24.000 Yeah, exactly. And that's what I'm always shooting for, is 1268 01:10:24.000 --> 01:10:25.920 I want the fall out. Like I don't do this 1269 01:10:25.960 --> 01:10:29.720 stuff if not for the mystical experience. I wouldn't like 1270 01:10:29.760 --> 01:10:31.760 if it didn't have that aspect of it, I would 1271 01:10:31.760 --> 01:10:35.399 not eat mushrooms ever. The reason too. 1272 01:10:35.880 --> 01:10:38.079 Yeah, if it's just to see pretty colors, I'm like, Okay, 1273 01:10:38.880 --> 01:10:42.720 I'll put on some fucking weird colored goggles or something 1274 01:10:42.840 --> 01:10:44.079 like that, but. 1275 01:10:43.880 --> 01:10:45.920 Just go for a hike. I mean, just go sit 1276 01:10:46.039 --> 01:10:49.159 over and look out on a sunset, on a landscape. 1277 01:10:49.199 --> 01:10:51.680 I mean you'll get a I mean I'll get absolutely 1278 01:10:51.760 --> 01:10:54.479 a feeling of transcendence from that. I love that. Or 1279 01:10:54.520 --> 01:10:58.359 on the beach or just like on a on a 1280 01:10:59.000 --> 01:11:01.479 like beautiful summer night if you're down like where you 1281 01:11:01.520 --> 01:11:03.720 are South. But it's like I'll be in Florida and 1282 01:11:03.760 --> 01:11:06.680 it's like the moon is fucking huge, and I don't know, 1283 01:11:06.760 --> 01:11:08.920 like just seeing it go down on or come up 1284 01:11:09.039 --> 01:11:11.880 rather or both, depending on what kind of drug you're on. 1285 01:11:13.840 --> 01:11:15.720 Just it's always, I don't know, it's just beautiful. 1286 01:11:16.800 --> 01:11:19.960 The drug. That's the thing that I find very interesting 1287 01:11:20.000 --> 01:11:23.479 and very important about it is that it reminds you 1288 01:11:23.760 --> 01:11:27.000 how amazing and how beautiful things are, you know, because 1289 01:11:27.000 --> 01:11:28.680 we just get so used to it, you know, Like 1290 01:11:28.720 --> 01:11:31.319 you don't sit there and think about, oh, the moon 1291 01:11:31.399 --> 01:11:34.199 is just going around and like we're in space or whatever. 1292 01:11:34.359 --> 01:11:38.640 The true reality of the situation is, right, You never 1293 01:11:38.720 --> 01:11:41.399 really fully think about that until you get to this point, 1294 01:11:41.720 --> 01:11:43.920 you know, and you start really thinking maybe you have 1295 01:11:43.960 --> 01:11:46.199 an awakening and then you have some psychedelics and then 1296 01:11:46.279 --> 01:11:48.840 you're just like you're just part of that and it's 1297 01:11:48.880 --> 01:11:51.760 just so amazing, you know. And I think most people 1298 01:11:51.800 --> 01:11:54.039 just kind of get used to that and they're just like, 1299 01:11:54.319 --> 01:11:57.319 it's imagine seeing a sunset for the first time ever, 1300 01:11:57.920 --> 01:11:59.479 you know what I mean. But people get to see 1301 01:11:59.479 --> 01:12:00.880 it every day, so it's no big deal. 1302 01:12:01.560 --> 01:12:06.640 Oh, just blissfully ecstatic, you know. And and just with 1303 01:12:06.720 --> 01:12:09.680 all of your experience, not just with the psychedelics, but 1304 01:12:09.760 --> 01:12:12.880 also the the the energies and the entities that you're 1305 01:12:12.880 --> 01:12:18.199 connecting with, what do you think what do you think 1306 01:12:18.439 --> 01:12:23.279 you actually are? Like, for example, where were you do 1307 01:12:23.319 --> 01:12:25.800 you know? Have you ever gone and asked the question 1308 01:12:26.079 --> 01:12:31.159 or experienced where you were before you were born. 1309 01:12:31.840 --> 01:12:37.119 Yeah, pretty much. That's where five vimeo DMT take. 1310 01:12:38.039 --> 01:12:42.000 Oh shit, all right, so do we just do we 1311 01:12:42.079 --> 01:12:45.319 exist just as an energy and then we decide to 1312 01:12:45.600 --> 01:12:47.840 come in incarnate as a human Like, what is that 1313 01:12:47.880 --> 01:12:48.680 process to you? 1314 01:12:49.800 --> 01:12:53.439 I don't know. So here's from at least from my 1315 01:12:53.880 --> 01:12:59.119 experiences with five emeo dmt Ayahuasa mushrooms, it seems to 1316 01:12:59.159 --> 01:13:06.720 be that we are essentially it's like this soup and 1317 01:13:07.159 --> 01:13:09.880 when before you were born and after you die, you're 1318 01:13:09.920 --> 01:13:12.680 going to go back to this soup. Now do we 1319 01:13:12.800 --> 01:13:17.279 choose how we incarnate? John that I have no idea. 1320 01:13:18.119 --> 01:13:21.119 I don't. I don't want to say I don't think 1321 01:13:21.159 --> 01:13:23.079 so because I truly don't know, so I'll just leave 1322 01:13:23.119 --> 01:13:26.399 it as an I don't know. But we just your 1323 01:13:26.560 --> 01:13:29.239 your consciousness, your solely whatever you want to call it. 1324 01:13:29.239 --> 01:13:33.079 It just it just comes from this thing, this place, 1325 01:13:34.000 --> 01:13:37.199 and at some point it's just going to get shot 1326 01:13:37.239 --> 01:13:40.560 out as something else in the universe. I mean. One 1327 01:13:40.600 --> 01:13:42.840 of the things that when people talk to me about 1328 01:13:42.880 --> 01:13:45.960 reincarnation and they like they're talking about having been on 1329 01:13:46.079 --> 01:13:48.640 Earth in a past life, It's like, Wow, you really 1330 01:13:48.640 --> 01:13:51.159 have no idea how big the goddamn universe is. Like 1331 01:13:51.479 --> 01:13:55.079 if you think that, like, by the the luck of 1332 01:13:55.119 --> 01:13:57.760 the draw, you ended up on Earth twice? Are you kidding? 1333 01:13:57.800 --> 01:13:59.880 You know how many fucking life forms are out there. 1334 01:13:59.720 --> 01:14:02.840 That you could have become infinite better odds of winning 1335 01:14:02.920 --> 01:14:03.960 the lottery at that point? 1336 01:14:04.199 --> 01:14:10.399 Yeah, right, exactly. So I just think that's kind of odd. Uh. Yeah, 1337 01:14:10.439 --> 01:14:15.399 So I don't know if I truly do believe in reincarnating. 1338 01:14:15.399 --> 01:14:17.640 I guess in a broad sense I do, because that's 1339 01:14:17.680 --> 01:14:20.000 the sense of what we're talking about. I don't believe 1340 01:14:20.039 --> 01:14:22.399 in it the way people talk about it. I guess, 1341 01:14:22.479 --> 01:14:25.239 like I don't think that you were a fucking princess 1342 01:14:25.279 --> 01:14:27.159 in your past life or whatever like that, you know, 1343 01:14:28.640 --> 01:14:31.520 like that, I don't think, But I do think on 1344 01:14:31.600 --> 01:14:35.239 a grander scale, Yeah, the essence whatever it is that's 1345 01:14:35.319 --> 01:14:40.680 making you alive right now, like that thing that like 1346 01:14:40.720 --> 01:14:44.039 when a person dies and like the fucking either the 1347 01:14:44.079 --> 01:14:46.800 temperature or the pressure in the room drops because something 1348 01:14:46.880 --> 01:14:49.239 just like whatever that is that goes back to the 1349 01:14:49.359 --> 01:14:52.119 soup and I get shot out at some point of 1350 01:14:52.239 --> 01:14:52.800 something else. 1351 01:14:53.399 --> 01:14:54.880 Leave it up to a New Yorker to just call 1352 01:14:54.920 --> 01:14:56.239 it a soup, you know, what I mean. 1353 01:14:56.319 --> 01:14:58.319 Yeah, now that's what I think it is too, dude, 1354 01:14:58.359 --> 01:14:59.680 I'm right there with you. I think I've said the 1355 01:14:59.680 --> 01:15:03.239 exact words, like it's a soup, you know whatever that 1356 01:15:03.359 --> 01:15:05.319 is the all encompassing, the cosmic soup. 1357 01:15:05.640 --> 01:15:09.760 Yeah, yeah, which is all minds, all lives, all everything. 1358 01:15:09.880 --> 01:15:14.520 That's where it comes from, mensis, yeah, everything, Like that's 1359 01:15:14.520 --> 01:15:17.600 for me, that's what I would call God. Is that 1360 01:15:17.600 --> 01:15:20.439 that bulk, that soup whatever we want to call it, 1361 01:15:22.239 --> 01:15:26.800 that mass of just where everything springs from. You know. 1362 01:15:26.840 --> 01:15:30.199 It's funny because like when when atheists talk about they'll say, 1363 01:15:30.239 --> 01:15:34.079 like there's only material reality, you only know one reality. 1364 01:15:34.119 --> 01:15:36.319 It's like, dude, I know fucking at least three different 1365 01:15:36.319 --> 01:15:39.680 realities beyond material reality, and one of them is the 1366 01:15:39.720 --> 01:15:43.880 Godhead itself. The Godhead itself is a separate reality from 1367 01:15:43.920 --> 01:15:47.319 the mystical or spiritual realm, which itself is a separate 1368 01:15:47.319 --> 01:15:51.119 realm from hyperspace, which is a separate realm from you know, 1369 01:15:51.279 --> 01:15:55.279 material existence where we are right now. They're different like 1370 01:15:56.319 --> 01:16:01.800 ascending and descending like you know areas on material reality. 1371 01:16:02.479 --> 01:16:05.760 One hundred percent. There's no way this is all there is. 1372 01:16:06.000 --> 01:16:08.239 And I think that a lot of people could probably 1373 01:16:08.239 --> 01:16:11.279 attest to that in billions of different ways, just through 1374 01:16:11.319 --> 01:16:14.840 their own experiences. Maybe they don't know, you know, to 1375 01:16:14.840 --> 01:16:17.600 put it in those words, but everybody's experienced something that 1376 01:16:17.680 --> 01:16:20.359 is not of this world, you know, seemingly not of 1377 01:16:20.399 --> 01:16:23.359 this world. Maybe they just called an illusion, maybe they 1378 01:16:23.359 --> 01:16:25.199 called a dream, maybe they called a nightmare, maybe they 1379 01:16:25.239 --> 01:16:27.560 called a trip. I don't know, but we've all experienced 1380 01:16:27.640 --> 01:16:30.960 something along those lines that made you question if this 1381 01:16:31.159 --> 01:16:33.720 is only all there is for sure? 1382 01:16:34.399 --> 01:16:36.720 So I got on a tangent I was talking about 1383 01:16:36.760 --> 01:16:38.960 when I was having dinner with Peter Bagosian, and you 1384 01:16:39.159 --> 01:16:41.279 just brought us back to the point I was trying 1385 01:16:41.279 --> 01:16:43.039 to make. But then I went off into out of 1386 01:16:43.079 --> 01:16:46.640 space with whatever the hell I was saying. But he 1387 01:16:46.800 --> 01:16:49.600 was asking me whether or not I had a error 1388 01:16:49.680 --> 01:16:53.760 corrective mechanism for my beliefs. It turns out he, as 1389 01:16:53.800 --> 01:16:57.640 an atheist, doesn't have that either. Like when like he's 1390 01:16:57.920 --> 01:17:00.640 said like, well, well why, I said to him, like, dude, 1391 01:17:00.760 --> 01:17:03.520 like if you like went outside and you looked and 1392 01:17:03.560 --> 01:17:07.119 you saw and it was clearly like the sky split 1393 01:17:07.199 --> 01:17:09.920 open and there was a voice said I am God, 1394 01:17:10.000 --> 01:17:13.000 I am here. He's like, well, I would think I 1395 01:17:13.039 --> 01:17:16.319 was under a misapprehension or I'd gone crazy. It's like, okay, 1396 01:17:16.359 --> 01:17:19.439 so you don't have a er corrective method either, or 1397 01:17:19.600 --> 01:17:23.319 you know, like for these questions anymore than a theist. 1398 01:17:23.000 --> 01:17:26.159 Does, right, because even if you were. 1399 01:17:26.039 --> 01:17:28.880 Shown it, you would still think it was something else. 1400 01:17:29.279 --> 01:17:31.119 You wouldn't think it was a god. You would think 1401 01:17:31.119 --> 01:17:34.399 it was whatever that you were hallucinating or something. So 1402 01:17:34.640 --> 01:17:38.520 you don't have a corrective way of testing your beliefs either. 1403 01:17:39.000 --> 01:17:39.199 Right. 1404 01:17:39.479 --> 01:17:41.800 It's it's hard to put it into words because it 1405 01:17:41.920 --> 01:17:44.359 almost seems like it can't be put into a box. 1406 01:17:44.520 --> 01:17:44.680 You know. 1407 01:17:44.760 --> 01:17:48.239 That's really the whole reason why anybody whenever people try 1408 01:17:48.279 --> 01:17:50.880 and describe it, When people try and describe Taoism, they 1409 01:17:50.920 --> 01:17:53.800 say the same thing. You can't if you're trying to 1410 01:17:53.840 --> 01:17:56.880 describe the Dow. And if somebody says that they can 1411 01:17:57.000 --> 01:18:01.039 describe the Dow, they got it wrong. It's that there 1412 01:18:01.119 --> 01:18:05.600 cannot be a definition for something that is so beyond 1413 01:18:06.600 --> 01:18:07.920 anything we could ever perceive. 1414 01:18:08.520 --> 01:18:11.399 Yeah, it's the meat brain, and that that is the 1415 01:18:11.479 --> 01:18:13.840 problem of the meat brain. Like with five, the first 1416 01:18:13.880 --> 01:18:17.199 time I did five and MEO DMT, I got to 1417 01:18:17.279 --> 01:18:20.720 see all of space and all of time from the 1418 01:18:20.760 --> 01:18:24.800 Big Bang, to that moment, all of it. But right now, 1419 01:18:24.840 --> 01:18:27.600 because I'm in my meat brain, I can't see it, 1420 01:18:28.159 --> 01:18:31.520 like I can't actually produce a memory of it, but 1421 01:18:31.600 --> 01:18:34.039 I know I saw it. It's a weird sort of 1422 01:18:35.520 --> 01:18:39.079 sort of like straddling two realities within my own brain. 1423 01:18:39.239 --> 01:18:42.880 But just to sort of emphasize your. 1424 01:18:42.720 --> 01:18:45.479 Point, Jonathan, No, yeah, I know that, I know that feeling. 1425 01:18:45.720 --> 01:18:49.279 It's that's why so many people come out speechless whenever 1426 01:18:49.359 --> 01:18:52.159 they have ayahuasca or DMT, because it's like, oh my god, 1427 01:18:52.239 --> 01:18:55.880 I saw I don't I don't know what it's called. 1428 01:18:55.960 --> 01:18:58.079 I don't know how to describe it. I can't put 1429 01:18:58.079 --> 01:19:01.359 it into words. And it's because it's it's too much. 1430 01:19:01.760 --> 01:19:05.880 It's far too much, and it's fun trying to trying to, 1431 01:19:06.199 --> 01:19:09.920 you know, describe it, but we can never do a justice. 1432 01:19:10.119 --> 01:19:13.439 My band has a song titled Bigger Than We Can Imagine, 1433 01:19:13.520 --> 01:19:16.560 which is about that concept that is just it's bigger 1434 01:19:16.600 --> 01:19:19.239 than we can even wrap our heads around, as much 1435 01:19:19.279 --> 01:19:20.520 as we try to describe it. 1436 01:19:21.000 --> 01:19:21.479 Ah. 1437 01:19:21.600 --> 01:19:24.479 Yeah, dude, you said you saw the Big Bang and 1438 01:19:24.520 --> 01:19:25.680 what I'm sorry. 1439 01:19:26.600 --> 01:19:30.000 So all of space and all like so essentially I 1440 01:19:32.000 --> 01:19:38.239 the magician who gave me the five MEO said surrender 1441 01:19:38.319 --> 01:19:41.520 and don't forget to breathe, and I took in a 1442 01:19:41.560 --> 01:19:45.680 big hit and I exhaled, and as I exhaled, the 1443 01:19:45.800 --> 01:19:52.199 smoke just essentially tore reality away, and I just saw 1444 01:19:54.159 --> 01:19:56.760 just the big but like just all of space and 1445 01:19:56.840 --> 01:20:01.520 time and reality everything just explode in that moment and 1446 01:20:01.560 --> 01:20:04.279 create that soup that I was talking about, that all 1447 01:20:04.359 --> 01:20:09.159 of reality is. And like it's not just like if 1448 01:20:09.199 --> 01:20:12.319 for earth bound. It's not just Milky Way Galaxy bound. 1449 01:20:12.359 --> 01:20:18.720 It's the whole and thing everything, And yeah, I just 1450 01:20:18.760 --> 01:20:21.199 got to and now it's like I can sort of 1451 01:20:21.319 --> 01:20:23.520 see it, like because I have that memory, but I 1452 01:20:23.560 --> 01:20:27.239 can't actually produce fully the memory because I'm in my 1453 01:20:27.319 --> 01:20:30.960 meat brain. And you gotta you gotta put the meat 1454 01:20:30.960 --> 01:20:33.720 brain aside if you want to see the stuff. 1455 01:20:33.800 --> 01:20:36.600 Because see at the very moment that the smoke tore 1456 01:20:36.840 --> 01:20:39.520 the tour everything in half and and showed me that, 1457 01:20:39.600 --> 01:20:41.399 I would be like I did too much like in 1458 01:20:41.479 --> 01:20:44.560 that in those two seconds of while I'm still kind 1459 01:20:44.640 --> 01:20:50.720 of me, I'd be like, oh shit, no, that's. 1460 01:20:48.840 --> 01:20:52.680 The point, you know, Like I I this was so 1461 01:20:53.000 --> 01:20:57.600 I was sort of it's weird. I was sort of 1462 01:20:57.840 --> 01:21:02.000 dabbling with atheists. I don't know that I was ever 1463 01:21:02.119 --> 01:21:05.279 fully an atheist, but I did get to a point 1464 01:21:05.359 --> 01:21:09.239 where with mushrooms and I'm like, oh, like, am I 1465 01:21:09.359 --> 01:21:11.880 just talking to myself? Is that with it? 1466 01:21:11.960 --> 01:21:12.039 Like? 1467 01:21:12.239 --> 01:21:15.359 Am I truly just making this all up? And five 1468 01:21:15.359 --> 01:21:18.560 E meo DMT was my last ditch effort. I'm like, Okay, 1469 01:21:19.039 --> 01:21:24.039 Like if I can't find that there is something real 1470 01:21:24.079 --> 01:21:25.880 with this, because this is the end all be all. 1471 01:21:25.920 --> 01:21:28.760 I mean, most people in my feel like we don't 1472 01:21:28.760 --> 01:21:32.119 even call it a psychedelic because it's beyond that. I mean, 1473 01:21:32.159 --> 01:21:35.880 it's the God molecule. That's what it really is. And 1474 01:21:35.960 --> 01:21:38.479 so I'm like, well if it doesn't, if this doesn't 1475 01:21:38.520 --> 01:21:41.159 do it, then nothing's going to it. Holy shit, it 1476 01:21:41.239 --> 01:21:45.079 did it? Like Wow, did it do it? Like I 1477 01:21:45.119 --> 01:21:48.880 can't be an atheist. I just it's it would it 1478 01:21:48.920 --> 01:21:51.359 would be like somebody trying to convince me that this 1479 01:21:51.399 --> 01:21:53.720 isn't like a mason jar with like a quarter of 1480 01:21:53.720 --> 01:21:54.640 amount of water. 1481 01:21:54.479 --> 01:21:57.159 And I was like, oh, like a clear, It's obviously 1482 01:21:57.399 --> 01:21:57.600 it is. 1483 01:21:57.840 --> 01:21:59.399 Yes, it's obviously what it is. 1484 01:22:00.640 --> 01:22:03.119 Yeah, man, yeah, I might have to do some DMT 1485 01:22:03.279 --> 01:22:05.760 at some point, Dude, I think that's just what I need, 1486 01:22:05.960 --> 01:22:07.439 you know what I mean, Because I feel like I'm 1487 01:22:07.439 --> 01:22:11.239 still like riding the offense of like, am I just 1488 01:22:11.319 --> 01:22:13.600 being too deep with some of this stuff? Or am 1489 01:22:13.680 --> 01:22:15.439 I you know what I'm saying? Is it all bullshit? 1490 01:22:15.760 --> 01:22:17.680 Am I making it like how you were just saying? 1491 01:22:17.680 --> 01:22:19.680 You know what I mean? Is it? Because I do 1492 01:22:19.720 --> 01:22:22.279 believe that our minds are very powerful. I do believe 1493 01:22:22.319 --> 01:22:27.880 that we are capable of creating spaces and really becoming 1494 01:22:28.000 --> 01:22:30.680 very immersed in these spaces, whether it's in a meditation 1495 01:22:30.960 --> 01:22:34.479 or you know whatever practice. And so that's why I'm 1496 01:22:34.560 --> 01:22:38.199 I'm I feel like it's very possible to create a 1497 01:22:38.279 --> 01:22:42.119 reality in which the divine or a god or or 1498 01:22:42.159 --> 01:22:46.720 something much larger and more powerful than I can even 1499 01:22:46.800 --> 01:22:51.279 imagine exists, you know. And so I guess DMT might 1500 01:22:51.279 --> 01:22:52.840 be the thing that I need to just kind of 1501 01:22:52.880 --> 01:22:54.880 like just solve it, you know, just. 1502 01:22:56.000 --> 01:22:59.840 It's hard to crystallize it, I think without the experience. 1503 01:22:59.319 --> 01:23:01.720 Yeah, you know, because you know, we've had experiences where 1504 01:23:01.720 --> 01:23:04.520 we where we've seen orbs, and and even then I'm 1505 01:23:04.560 --> 01:23:07.359 still like I go back and forth on that as well. 1506 01:23:07.399 --> 01:23:10.640 But but but lately I haven't seen any like at all, 1507 01:23:10.800 --> 01:23:14.079 like in probably a couple of months now, you know, 1508 01:23:14.159 --> 01:23:16.680 And so maybe if I have some d MT and 1509 01:23:16.720 --> 01:23:20.520 then I know, then all of the other stuff just says, Okay, 1510 01:23:20.640 --> 01:23:23.720 you know now, so you're gonna be able to experience everything. 1511 01:23:23.760 --> 01:23:25.359 What do you think is going on with all that 1512 01:23:25.560 --> 01:23:29.000 ORB stuff? Like surely you've seen like videos or maybe 1513 01:23:29.000 --> 01:23:31.119 you experienced it yourself, but like, what do you think 1514 01:23:31.199 --> 01:23:32.199 is actually going on. 1515 01:23:32.920 --> 01:23:35.960 That I I don't know. In fact, I was just 1516 01:23:36.159 --> 01:23:43.680 in Tupolo, Mississippi, filming a documentary about alchemists doing d MT. 1517 01:23:44.319 --> 01:23:47.640 It's an area of study my good friend and colleague 1518 01:23:47.840 --> 01:23:51.880 Pete Newman is wrapped up with and he told me 1519 01:23:51.880 --> 01:23:53.800 he's like, look like, I don't know if like by 1520 01:23:53.960 --> 01:23:55.760 ORBS you mean like you know, a fo's or anything 1521 01:23:55.800 --> 01:23:57.720 like that. But he's like, dude, they fly over his 1522 01:23:57.800 --> 01:24:01.119 house every night. Like I'm like, for really, It's like, yeah, 1523 01:24:01.239 --> 01:24:03.479 look like every single night I went out, I was 1524 01:24:03.479 --> 01:24:07.319 there four nights. Every night, I saw like several UFOs, 1525 01:24:07.399 --> 01:24:10.279 Like they're all over the place. I have no idea 1526 01:24:10.319 --> 01:24:14.359 what they are, but I like they were clearly there 1527 01:24:14.560 --> 01:24:18.199 and anybody that would go there, did you just look 1528 01:24:18.279 --> 01:24:21.119 up You'll see them like it's not it's not like 1529 01:24:22.119 --> 01:24:24.640 you don't need a telescope anything, Like they're fucking up 1530 01:24:24.680 --> 01:24:27.920 there and they are moving in ways that you just 1531 01:24:29.319 --> 01:24:31.720 you know, they just fucking fine then stop on a 1532 01:24:31.800 --> 01:24:34.199 dime and then slowly start to float up. We don't 1533 01:24:34.239 --> 01:24:39.079 have anything that can do that, you know, like it's insane. 1534 01:24:39.880 --> 01:24:44.239 Yeah, yeah, And man I I it feels like a 1535 01:24:44.279 --> 01:24:47.079 spiritual experience when you're seeing it, And maybe that's just 1536 01:24:47.119 --> 01:24:50.039 how our minds work, you know, the the unexplainable, the 1537 01:24:50.119 --> 01:24:52.720 unknown is always going to be somewhat of a spiritual experience, 1538 01:24:52.760 --> 01:24:54.600 what do you think, of course. 1539 01:24:54.479 --> 01:24:57.079 And but there's also I think there's a part of 1540 01:24:57.119 --> 01:25:03.079 it where like we've also been socialized to believe that 1541 01:25:03.680 --> 01:25:08.439 if we have these experiences, we're either mistaken or we're crazy. 1542 01:25:09.920 --> 01:25:12.159 And that goes back to the whole thing of like, well, 1543 01:25:12.239 --> 01:25:14.920 if that's your if that's how you're going to frame it, 1544 01:25:15.000 --> 01:25:18.800 then you're never going to discover anything with it or 1545 01:25:18.840 --> 01:25:25.800 through it. Like that's never gonna happen. And it's me 1546 01:25:26.039 --> 01:25:30.239 looking up at the sky on no psychodeal is not 1547 01:25:30.399 --> 01:25:35.239 on anything, like, not even on fucking beer, for Christ's sake, 1548 01:25:36.119 --> 01:25:39.560 just looking up and seeing those goddamn orbs, like and 1549 01:25:39.600 --> 01:25:42.479 they're like very far up there, and there's a bunch 1550 01:25:42.520 --> 01:25:44.880 of them and you see them all flying around. It 1551 01:25:45.359 --> 01:25:48.640 is like, what the fuck? Like, they're not satellites. They're 1552 01:25:48.680 --> 01:25:50.720 not like you can tell when it's a satellite. 1553 01:25:50.960 --> 01:25:52.359 Yeah, these are not. 1554 01:25:52.520 --> 01:25:56.359 That's not what these are. So I don't know what 1555 01:25:56.439 --> 01:26:01.279 they are. I don't really, I don't. It's weird. I 1556 01:26:01.359 --> 01:26:05.039 had this. I had this bias against orbs because when 1557 01:26:05.039 --> 01:26:07.000 I first heard of them, I didn't really trust the 1558 01:26:07.079 --> 01:26:10.800 lady that was telling me about them. So I've sort 1559 01:26:10.800 --> 01:26:13.600 of always had a bias about them. But again, looking 1560 01:26:13.680 --> 01:26:15.760 up and I've seen them, like, you know, I don't 1561 01:26:15.760 --> 01:26:16.840 know if they are, but they're they. 1562 01:26:17.399 --> 01:26:18.880 We're kind of all on the same boat when it 1563 01:26:18.960 --> 01:26:20.720 comes to that. Then, you know, it's like we know 1564 01:26:20.800 --> 01:26:23.720 they're there. You know, we've also all experienced it, but 1565 01:26:23.800 --> 01:26:25.840 we don't really know what to do with it or 1566 01:26:25.840 --> 01:26:28.960 what to call it or why it's there. You know. 1567 01:26:29.800 --> 01:26:33.760 Yeah, dude, you know we actually speaking of orbs. What 1568 01:26:33.960 --> 01:26:37.079 We just had a conversation with a gentleman last night 1569 01:26:37.159 --> 01:26:39.279 who won I don't know if you've ever seen or 1570 01:26:39.319 --> 01:26:42.640 heard of this, but it's the the psy games, like 1571 01:26:42.760 --> 01:26:45.880 p s I games about people who are able to 1572 01:26:46.319 --> 01:26:50.039 essentially use their their psychic abilities. 1573 01:26:51.039 --> 01:26:53.159 Yeah, I'm familiar with SI. I know what you're talking about. 1574 01:26:53.319 --> 01:26:55.840 So they had like the Olympic SI Games last year 1575 01:26:55.880 --> 01:26:58.359 and he was he got first place and so talking 1576 01:26:58.439 --> 01:27:01.600 I didn't know that, dude, fucking crazy. It's awesome. It's 1577 01:27:01.600 --> 01:27:03.439 the first time they ever did it. So he's the 1578 01:27:03.680 --> 01:27:06.680 he's the inaugural champion. So it's it's pretty uh one 1579 01:27:06.680 --> 01:27:10.439 for the record books, you know, Ellieah, But do you 1580 01:27:10.600 --> 01:27:13.520 think that through the use of psychedelics or through the 1581 01:27:13.640 --> 01:27:17.000 use of ritual and and everything that you kind of 1582 01:27:17.039 --> 01:27:20.760 work with, do you think that your psychic abilities have 1583 01:27:22.000 --> 01:27:25.000 you know, gotten better or worse or do you feel 1584 01:27:25.000 --> 01:27:27.760 more connected to this reality to where maybe you can 1585 01:27:27.840 --> 01:27:30.319 influence things just with your thoughts or your energy. 1586 01:27:31.680 --> 01:27:35.359 I will say this, the the only thing that I 1587 01:27:35.439 --> 01:27:40.439 can that I'll say absolutely has been dream divination with 1588 01:27:40.560 --> 01:27:49.119 Omanito Mascary. I've had a few dream divination omanitomscary experiences 1589 01:27:49.159 --> 01:27:55.239 that that cannot be explained like any other way, that 1590 01:27:55.279 --> 01:28:01.880 are just like two almost impossible to Like this past summer, 1591 01:28:02.079 --> 01:28:05.079 I lost my business. I lost my community, I lost 1592 01:28:05.119 --> 01:28:10.399 my livelihood. I had the mob come after me. Fucking 1593 01:28:10.479 --> 01:28:13.319 The night before it happened, I had a dream about it, 1594 01:28:13.760 --> 01:28:17.439 so much so that I pulled out my phone and 1595 01:28:17.479 --> 01:28:22.279 for the first time in my life, recorded my dream 1596 01:28:22.439 --> 01:28:26.880 and then texted a friend of mine who was in 1597 01:28:26.920 --> 01:28:30.800 the dream and said, Yo, this just happened last night. 1598 01:28:30.880 --> 01:28:32.600 I need you to keep a lookout for this, that 1599 01:28:32.680 --> 01:28:37.800 and the other thing. Wow, all it was. It would 1600 01:28:37.840 --> 01:28:40.199 take a very long time for me to unpack all 1601 01:28:40.239 --> 01:28:44.319 of this, but it was just that was the craziest 1602 01:28:44.560 --> 01:28:47.960 dream to the nation I've ever had. And and other 1603 01:28:48.000 --> 01:28:51.439 things have happened as well. I had a really good 1604 01:28:51.520 --> 01:28:56.399 one with a sort of a academic rival of mine 1605 01:28:56.840 --> 01:29:00.119 where he kind of was just being awfuled towards me 1606 01:29:00.239 --> 01:29:04.039 and just really not playing fair. And I had a 1607 01:29:04.119 --> 01:29:07.199 dream of omannit it was an domanite, a flying dream 1608 01:29:07.800 --> 01:29:11.199 where I was just flying over him. And it wasn't 1609 01:29:11.199 --> 01:29:13.119 the next day, but it was like two days later. 1610 01:29:13.199 --> 01:29:16.279 I just he I found out he just he got 1611 01:29:16.279 --> 01:29:18.199 his come uppance in a way that just made me 1612 01:29:18.239 --> 01:29:22.640 feel fucking great. I'm not gonna lie, but those are 1613 01:29:22.640 --> 01:29:26.199 the kinds of things like and answer your question. Like, uh, 1614 01:29:26.960 --> 01:29:30.680 as far as I wouldn't call myself particularly psychic at all, 1615 01:29:31.560 --> 01:29:35.199 I had had Okay, the first time I ever did 1616 01:29:35.239 --> 01:29:40.479 ask that, I had a crazy psychic experience with a 1617 01:29:40.479 --> 01:29:44.239 friend of mine who we were literally reading each other's thoughts, 1618 01:29:44.479 --> 01:29:47.079 like we could see each other the word in each 1619 01:29:47.119 --> 01:29:50.960 other's mind. It was in Yeah, that was when I 1620 01:29:51.039 --> 01:29:55.159 was nineteen. I've never had anything like that ever happen. Again. 1621 01:29:56.119 --> 01:29:58.760 I mean, I've had cool things I got, like spirits 1622 01:29:58.800 --> 01:30:02.279 and things like coming in that like other people also 1623 01:30:02.439 --> 01:30:06.760 saw and like so Okay, in one example, I write 1624 01:30:06.760 --> 01:30:09.439 about this in my last book. It's like the one 1625 01:30:10.039 --> 01:30:13.319 sort of woo woo experience that I that I write 1626 01:30:13.359 --> 01:30:15.800 about in this book because my publisher is like this 1627 01:30:16.000 --> 01:30:24.479 major atheist public anyways, whatever. So the a few times 1628 01:30:24.479 --> 01:30:27.920 ago when I did ayahuasca, I was actually I was 1629 01:30:27.960 --> 01:30:29.680 with my friend Morgan, who when I was reading that 1630 01:30:29.720 --> 01:30:31.520 thing I said, I was in my friend. We weren't 1631 01:30:31.520 --> 01:30:33.279 in her living room, we were in this other place 1632 01:30:33.840 --> 01:30:37.600 and me her and this girl we didn't know got 1633 01:30:37.640 --> 01:30:40.760 possessed by this spirit that just came into the room 1634 01:30:41.159 --> 01:30:43.720 and the three of us got up at the same 1635 01:30:43.800 --> 01:30:47.199 time off of our mats like I mean, like literally 1636 01:30:47.279 --> 01:30:51.119 like whoop, like at the same time, went to the 1637 01:30:51.159 --> 01:30:53.960 center of the room and started dancing around the altar 1638 01:30:54.880 --> 01:30:57.600 and just like as this thing was possessing us and 1639 01:30:57.640 --> 01:30:59.920 we the three of us, are looking at it as 1640 01:31:00.119 --> 01:31:03.159 it's doing it, and then it just let us go 1641 01:31:03.520 --> 01:31:05.520 right back toward nets and it was like, yo, what 1642 01:31:05.680 --> 01:31:07.159 the fuck? Like it was awesome? 1643 01:31:07.399 --> 01:31:10.199 What awesome? 1644 01:31:10.319 --> 01:31:13.399 Dude? Yeah, and everybody else with you was like yeah, 1645 01:31:13.479 --> 01:31:15.720 did that just happen or like yeah, dude, that's the thing. 1646 01:31:15.920 --> 01:31:19.239 Everybody like they were like, I don't know, like fifteen 1647 01:31:19.279 --> 01:31:22.079 sixteen other people in the room, Like it was a 1648 01:31:22.119 --> 01:31:25.960 big ayahuasca circle, which I personally don't really it's not 1649 01:31:26.000 --> 01:31:30.000 my favorite setting, but uh no, but there were a 1650 01:31:30.039 --> 01:31:33.800 lot of witnesses. Another time, so the second time I 1651 01:31:33.840 --> 01:31:39.039 ever did ayahuasca, the uh the Iowa skeatta starts pouring 1652 01:31:39.079 --> 01:31:41.920 out the dose right and I'm looking at her and 1653 01:31:42.000 --> 01:31:46.680 there was this image like this like iridescent woman just 1654 01:31:46.800 --> 01:31:50.560 appeared over her put her hand on the Iowa sca 1655 01:31:50.600 --> 01:31:54.800 to pour more ayahuasca into the glass and so and 1656 01:31:54.840 --> 01:31:58.000 I watched her do that. I so I take that 1657 01:31:58.199 --> 01:32:01.640 and anyway, so I have a great experience. Afterward, we're 1658 01:32:01.680 --> 01:32:05.920 smoking mapacha on my back porch and the Iowa scare 1659 01:32:06.000 --> 01:32:07.479 says to me, it's like, you know, by the way, 1660 01:32:07.600 --> 01:32:13.159 like she said, with that second dose, I was worried 1661 01:32:13.600 --> 01:32:15.680 that I was. I might have given you too much. 1662 01:32:15.720 --> 01:32:18.399 He's like, but you don't understand. She's like, this hand 1663 01:32:18.640 --> 01:32:21.399 came on top of me, and I was like, I 1664 01:32:21.439 --> 01:32:25.920 saw that. I swear like there was a woman. She's like, 1665 01:32:26.279 --> 01:32:28.359 there was right. I'm like, yeah, like she was right 1666 01:32:28.439 --> 01:32:30.560 over you and when you stop, she pushed your hand. 1667 01:32:30.720 --> 01:32:35.880 But she's like, yeah, that gave me chill. Yeah, that's incredible. 1668 01:32:37.600 --> 01:32:40.800 See stuff like that, Dude, whenever I hear someone experience 1669 01:32:40.840 --> 01:32:44.359 something like that, obviously I believe what you're saying, because 1670 01:32:44.439 --> 01:32:46.760 now it's bullshitting, right, that was real. 1671 01:32:47.039 --> 01:32:48.840 It's not subjective anymore. 1672 01:32:49.079 --> 01:32:52.199 Right, No, exactly, it's it's not subject like we both 1673 01:32:52.279 --> 01:32:55.960 experienced that when my friend Morgan and that person. I 1674 01:32:56.159 --> 01:32:59.079 still I don't even know what that young lady's name was. Like, 1675 01:32:59.119 --> 01:33:01.279 we didn't plan an if it, Like, we just started 1676 01:33:01.399 --> 01:33:06.000 dancing around and we could all see it. Like I've 1677 01:33:06.079 --> 01:33:09.720 watched an Iowa scaurow. This is kind of funny. Suck 1678 01:33:09.840 --> 01:33:13.319 an evil spirit out of somebody's nose with his nose 1679 01:33:13.359 --> 01:33:16.159 and then farted out his ass and we all watched 1680 01:33:16.199 --> 01:33:16.760 it happen. 1681 01:33:17.479 --> 01:33:21.840 Like there were many witnesses to this, There. 1682 01:33:21.680 --> 01:33:24.760 Were many to that most sacred fart. 1683 01:33:24.840 --> 01:33:27.079 It's a hell of a technique, I will say. 1684 01:33:27.439 --> 01:33:27.680 Right. 1685 01:33:28.199 --> 01:33:29.880 You know, you do kind of feel like you're releasing 1686 01:33:29.880 --> 01:33:32.000 the demon every time you rip one, so maybe there's 1687 01:33:32.039 --> 01:33:32.800 something to it. 1688 01:33:33.239 --> 01:33:43.880 Not me, I'm releasing angels, baby. 1689 01:33:39.880 --> 01:33:40.279 All right? 1690 01:33:40.439 --> 01:33:43.840 So man, this has been so much fun and I 1691 01:33:43.920 --> 01:33:46.119 have so many more questions, But I don't know how 1692 01:33:46.199 --> 01:33:48.840 much are you in a hurry to get out of here? 1693 01:33:50.039 --> 01:33:51.720 Like I got a little more. I mean, it's up 1694 01:33:51.760 --> 01:33:53.600 to you. Like I said, I would let it flow. 1695 01:33:53.920 --> 01:33:55.479 If you want to let it flow, will let it flow. 1696 01:33:55.520 --> 01:33:56.600 If you gotta go, you gotta go. 1697 01:33:56.920 --> 01:34:02.720 Perfect, all right? So okay, I I feel like there's 1698 01:34:02.800 --> 01:34:05.479 been so many questions that have been flooding my mind 1699 01:34:05.560 --> 01:34:10.239 and now it seems that they have escaped me. It's 1700 01:34:10.359 --> 01:34:12.239 just part of podcasting in general. 1701 01:34:12.319 --> 01:34:15.279 But oh yeah, it's a real struggle. Like you think 1702 01:34:15.319 --> 01:34:17.119 you have something you're gonna say, and then as soon 1703 01:34:17.159 --> 01:34:19.760 as it's like, oh it's my time to shine right, 1704 01:34:19.880 --> 01:34:21.760 and then it's all gone and all the words that 1705 01:34:21.920 --> 01:34:28.439 just came out were just going on with that. No, 1706 01:34:28.640 --> 01:34:31.000 you're good, dude, this is this is great. I appreciate you. 1707 01:34:31.520 --> 01:34:34.680 Yeah, yeah, especially for like just a fun conversation like 1708 01:34:34.720 --> 01:34:37.199 this for you just want to try and be a 1709 01:34:37.239 --> 01:34:41.800 sponge and smoke smoke uh soak as much information as 1710 01:34:41.880 --> 01:34:46.640 humanly possible. I love it. Whenever you're experiencing, so you 1711 01:34:46.720 --> 01:34:51.039 go to your altar uh under the influence of antheagens, 1712 01:34:52.520 --> 01:34:56.439 and whenever you go there, you're specifically calling somebody out 1713 01:34:56.479 --> 01:35:00.640 to communicate with said entity or said enter right, like 1714 01:35:00.720 --> 01:35:04.520 you go into it for a reason every time, yep. 1715 01:35:04.880 --> 01:35:08.199 And what do you like, what is a typical reason 1716 01:35:08.359 --> 01:35:11.479 to go into that to the altar to communicate with 1717 01:35:11.520 --> 01:35:14.159 that specific entity? Can you give us an idea, like 1718 01:35:14.439 --> 01:35:15.159 an example? 1719 01:35:15.920 --> 01:35:20.800 Okay, yeah, absolutely so. As I was saying, this past summer, 1720 01:35:21.119 --> 01:35:23.520 I had like the worst summer of my life. I 1721 01:35:23.560 --> 01:35:27.199 lost my business, my community, like my whole life got 1722 01:35:27.239 --> 01:35:30.640 torn apart. A week after that happened, I had three 1723 01:35:30.720 --> 01:35:38.479 nights of ayahuasca and what it looked like for me 1724 01:35:38.840 --> 01:35:42.560 was I needed to now find out what the hell 1725 01:35:43.119 --> 01:35:45.000 I was going to be doing with the rest of 1726 01:35:45.039 --> 01:35:47.279 my life and how I was ever going to move forward, 1727 01:35:47.399 --> 01:35:50.039 because again, just all of a sudden, my whole life 1728 01:35:50.119 --> 01:35:54.840 was just taken away from me. And so it was 1729 01:35:54.920 --> 01:35:58.319 three nights and the first night I did my Lesser 1730 01:35:58.359 --> 01:36:02.840 Mystery to the God is Searc and then later that 1731 01:36:02.960 --> 01:36:05.680 night I did the Greater Mystery, which is when I 1732 01:36:05.760 --> 01:36:10.119 actually take the sacra medicine, and I asked for her 1733 01:36:10.239 --> 01:36:13.600 secret sacred word, which in this case turned out to 1734 01:36:13.600 --> 01:36:17.720 be the word forgiveness. Now what I felt like at 1735 01:36:17.720 --> 01:36:20.720 the time, and I didn't realize that I was wrong 1736 01:36:20.760 --> 01:36:23.079 about this, was she was telling me that I needed 1737 01:36:23.079 --> 01:36:27.840 to forgive the person who essentially ruined my life, or 1738 01:36:27.840 --> 01:36:30.800 at least try to. Turns out he didn't at all, 1739 01:36:32.239 --> 01:36:35.439 But I was wrong about that. What seriously was actually 1740 01:36:35.479 --> 01:36:39.239 saying was that you need to forgive yourself because everybody 1741 01:36:39.840 --> 01:36:43.199 makes mistakes, and like what's going on right now isn't 1742 01:36:43.279 --> 01:36:47.439 actually justified at all, So we're not going to help 1743 01:36:47.479 --> 01:36:51.159 you out unless you learn how to forgive yourself. Next 1744 01:36:51.279 --> 01:36:55.640 night was with Hekate, and same thing. I do the 1745 01:36:55.720 --> 01:37:00.319 lesser mystery beforehand. Then the Greater Mystery is actually taking 1746 01:37:00.319 --> 01:37:07.520 the ayahuasca, and in this case, I've never I've never 1747 01:37:07.560 --> 01:37:10.479 been comfortable in my body like ever in my whole life. 1748 01:37:11.079 --> 01:37:14.520 And Hegate was like I kept trying to find her 1749 01:37:14.560 --> 01:37:18.520 in the mystical realm, and what she was doing was 1750 01:37:18.560 --> 01:37:20.640 she was testing me. She's like, no, I don't want 1751 01:37:20.680 --> 01:37:23.680 to find I want you to find me within your body. 1752 01:37:24.039 --> 01:37:27.159 She's like, I need you to actually start to like 1753 01:37:27.399 --> 01:37:30.920 the body that you're in or I can't help you. 1754 01:37:31.000 --> 01:37:34.800 I can't do anything for you. And so I ended 1755 01:37:34.880 --> 01:37:38.319 up doing this really insane like dance to like the 1756 01:37:38.960 --> 01:37:41.359 I don't know. It was awesome and sort of just 1757 01:37:41.439 --> 01:37:43.720 fell into my body for the first time in my life. 1758 01:37:44.359 --> 01:37:48.960 And then the third night was with Gaya and essentially 1759 01:37:49.159 --> 01:37:56.000 this was just healing the parts of myself where I 1760 01:37:56.159 --> 01:37:59.000 had gone wrong, because in order to grow, you do 1761 01:37:59.159 --> 01:38:01.920 have to acknowledge where you messed up. You have to 1762 01:38:01.960 --> 01:38:06.840 be able to see your role when everything goes wrong, right, you. 1763 01:38:06.760 --> 01:38:07.720 Know, So. 1764 01:38:09.239 --> 01:38:13.960 It was I essentially I'll never. I was with Guya 1765 01:38:14.039 --> 01:38:15.960 and this is when I had mentioned earlier. She appeared 1766 01:38:16.000 --> 01:38:19.560 as just light. It was just light, and I was 1767 01:38:19.600 --> 01:38:22.840 standing next to her and she and I were together 1768 01:38:22.920 --> 01:38:26.239 sort of like this holding this little baby that was 1769 01:38:26.359 --> 01:38:30.920 essentially all of my traumas and fuck ups and gunk 1770 01:38:31.000 --> 01:38:34.680 and shit, those parts of me, the shadows side, those 1771 01:38:34.720 --> 01:38:37.399 parts of us that we reject, and we were just 1772 01:38:37.520 --> 01:38:41.159 sitting there holding it, cradling it and giving it so 1773 01:38:41.399 --> 01:38:46.920 much love, and in that moment, it's like, Okay, I 1774 01:38:47.039 --> 01:38:51.119 am forgiving. I have to forgive. This is what cearsly said. 1775 01:38:51.159 --> 01:38:53.600 The sacred word is forgiveness. I have to forgive this 1776 01:38:53.720 --> 01:38:57.720 little child because it doesn't understand all of the shit 1777 01:38:58.000 --> 01:39:01.439 that it is, you know, like that that's been put 1778 01:39:01.479 --> 01:39:06.039 on top of it. Hekit has now from night two 1779 01:39:06.119 --> 01:39:09.920 given me that choice, and Guy it tonight night three 1780 01:39:10.399 --> 01:39:14.279 is allowing me to see that consciousness. And as I 1781 01:39:14.520 --> 01:39:17.600 focused in on that little child of just shit and 1782 01:39:17.640 --> 01:39:21.880 gunk and trauma and forgiving it, which would be forgiving myself, 1783 01:39:22.359 --> 01:39:26.279 choosing that path, which was choosing the path for myself 1784 01:39:26.640 --> 01:39:31.560 and seeing that consciousness that was my those parts of 1785 01:39:31.600 --> 01:39:35.680 myself that aren't the best anyway. In that moment, the 1786 01:39:35.800 --> 01:39:39.119 archangel Michael came up behind us, Guy and I and 1787 01:39:39.279 --> 01:39:42.119 just wrapped its wings around us, and I was just 1788 01:39:42.199 --> 01:39:45.920 in this cocoon of angel wings, just forgiving this little 1789 01:39:45.960 --> 01:39:47.680 baby of my traumas. 1790 01:39:48.159 --> 01:39:52.399 Oh my god, that's like transcendent shadow work. 1791 01:39:53.479 --> 01:39:55.319 So what you asked, right, was that your question, how 1792 01:39:55.319 --> 01:39:55.840 does it work? 1793 01:39:55.920 --> 01:39:57.600 No, No, that's great. I love it. 1794 01:39:58.600 --> 01:40:01.239 Man's that's a kind of giveness that you don't take 1795 01:40:01.359 --> 01:40:04.640 just take back, you know. That's like sealed the deal. 1796 01:40:04.960 --> 01:40:05.159 You know. 1797 01:40:05.479 --> 01:40:10.439 Yeah, there was This other part was actually the first 1798 01:40:10.439 --> 01:40:13.880 time I ever met Gaya and realized that guy was 1799 01:40:13.880 --> 01:40:20.680 Ayahwaski incarnate. This was cool. She'd asked me, like, why 1800 01:40:20.720 --> 01:40:23.880 did I have these just negative feelings about myself? And 1801 01:40:24.000 --> 01:40:26.319 I went and inside my body and I showed her. 1802 01:40:26.399 --> 01:40:30.800 I'm like, well, look at my heart. It's disgusting. And 1803 01:40:32.000 --> 01:40:34.319 you know, looking at it, there was just like this 1804 01:40:34.399 --> 01:40:36.960 like gunkin mud that looked like it was like over 1805 01:40:37.039 --> 01:40:40.119 this rock kind of thing. And she's like, no, She's like, 1806 01:40:41.199 --> 01:40:43.560 that's not your heart at all. And she went over 1807 01:40:43.600 --> 01:40:46.000 and she wiped it away and there was just this 1808 01:40:46.079 --> 01:40:49.119 glass and underneath the glass there was this pristine heart 1809 01:40:49.479 --> 01:40:51.439 and she's like, that's not your heart. She said, that's 1810 01:40:51.479 --> 01:40:55.000 the protective layer I put over your heart to shield 1811 01:40:55.039 --> 01:40:57.600 you from the evil of the world. It's like it 1812 01:40:57.680 --> 01:40:59.720 just gets dirty. Sometimes we got to clean it off. 1813 01:41:00.600 --> 01:41:04.239 Oh my god, that is so awesome and and so 1814 01:41:04.560 --> 01:41:08.920 meaningful all of this. You know, I feel like especially 1815 01:41:08.920 --> 01:41:11.239 in this day and age with social media and everybody's 1816 01:41:11.279 --> 01:41:14.560 comparing themselves to everybody else, and a lot of people 1817 01:41:14.560 --> 01:41:17.520 are very very materialistic and they find a lot of 1818 01:41:17.840 --> 01:41:19.479 they think that they find a lot of meaning and 1819 01:41:19.520 --> 01:41:22.479 the materialistic items until they're able to grasp them, and 1820 01:41:22.520 --> 01:41:25.039 then it's like, well, what's the next materialistic item that 1821 01:41:25.079 --> 01:41:28.079 can make me feel, you know, like I'm longing for something, 1822 01:41:29.119 --> 01:41:31.439 But this is this is the root, man, So I'm 1823 01:41:31.479 --> 01:41:33.560 happy that you said that. That is That is great. 1824 01:41:33.920 --> 01:41:38.239 One last question I have for you. Sure, it's it's 1825 01:41:38.279 --> 01:41:40.560 a very easy question. I think that you'll have an 1826 01:41:40.560 --> 01:41:43.079 easy time answering it. What is the meaning of life? 1827 01:41:45.000 --> 01:41:46.560 That's be happy and useful? 1828 01:41:47.640 --> 01:41:50.840 Be happy and useful, beautiful? 1829 01:41:51.560 --> 01:41:52.199 I love it. 1830 01:41:52.319 --> 01:41:54.000 Yeah, dude, that sounds about right. 1831 01:41:54.239 --> 01:41:54.439 You know. 1832 01:41:54.520 --> 01:41:57.800 That goes with pretty much what what everybody else says. 1833 01:41:57.920 --> 01:42:01.880 You know that even the really just organizations and everything else, 1834 01:42:01.960 --> 01:42:06.680 you know, just be of use and help. And yeah, 1835 01:42:06.720 --> 01:42:07.119 I love that. 1836 01:42:07.239 --> 01:42:07.399 Man. 1837 01:42:07.520 --> 01:42:07.960 That's great. 1838 01:42:08.039 --> 01:42:10.239 So find that they feed each other too. The more 1839 01:42:10.359 --> 01:42:12.800 useful you are, the happy you are. The happy you are, 1840 01:42:12.840 --> 01:42:14.560 the more useful you're gonna want to be. And it's 1841 01:42:14.600 --> 01:42:18.319 just a beautiful siple of camaraderie and friendship and just 1842 01:42:18.359 --> 01:42:19.720 trying to make the world a better. 1843 01:42:19.479 --> 01:42:22.079 Place, the more energy to go around. 1844 01:42:22.399 --> 01:42:23.039 Yeah, I love it. 1845 01:42:23.560 --> 01:42:27.439 Yeah, just being of service. Well, look, every single episode 1846 01:42:27.439 --> 01:42:29.279 we always do a Tarot reading at the end of 1847 01:42:29.279 --> 01:42:32.800 the end of the show, and usually it in a 1848 01:42:32.840 --> 01:42:36.439 weird way. It encompasses the energy of the show and 1849 01:42:36.640 --> 01:42:38.760 one way or another, that's why we do it at 1850 01:42:38.800 --> 01:42:41.279 the end, because we're just charging it up this whole time. 1851 01:42:41.359 --> 01:42:44.760 Right, we got two cards today. Usually we just do one, 1852 01:42:45.079 --> 01:42:47.039 you know, just to make it simple or whatever. But 1853 01:42:47.520 --> 01:42:51.279 I just decided to do two of them and this 1854 01:42:51.359 --> 01:42:53.680 is the first one we got. The Three of Wand's 1855 01:42:55.039 --> 01:42:58.199 all right, the Three of Wands. Are you familiar with 1856 01:42:58.239 --> 01:42:59.960 Taro a little? 1857 01:43:00.079 --> 01:43:03.479 But yes, okay, we're the same. So we like to 1858 01:43:03.520 --> 01:43:07.079 read from our handy dandy descriptive guide to hear the 1859 01:43:07.199 --> 01:43:10.159 Three of Wand's adventure lies ahead of you as you 1860 01:43:10.239 --> 01:43:13.000 expand into a new role or identity. You have plenty 1861 01:43:13.079 --> 01:43:17.720 of support, filled with ambition and excitement. You're ready to 1862 01:43:17.800 --> 01:43:19.960 expand into the next phase of your adventure. In the 1863 01:43:19.960 --> 01:43:22.279 three of Wand's card, the man depicted in this card 1864 01:43:22.319 --> 01:43:25.079 has his back turned, which means that as the viewer, 1865 01:43:25.279 --> 01:43:28.159 you see what he sees. He stands between two wands 1866 01:43:28.199 --> 01:43:30.600 plants it in the ground while he holds the third 1867 01:43:30.600 --> 01:43:33.600 one for support. He gazes out towards ships on the water, 1868 01:43:33.680 --> 01:43:38.000 indicating the expansive nature of his dealings and suggesting that 1869 01:43:38.079 --> 01:43:41.479 he works well with a team. The support of others 1870 01:43:41.520 --> 01:43:44.399 allows him to conserve his energy without burning out and 1871 01:43:44.600 --> 01:43:49.359 positions him to direct his considerable prowess towards big picture tasks. 1872 01:43:50.000 --> 01:43:52.520 And so the upright key meeting for it would be 1873 01:43:53.079 --> 01:43:55.760 expansion and growth. It's kind of funny we were saying 1874 01:43:55.800 --> 01:44:00.399 about how expansive everything is and pretty cool to have 1875 01:44:00.439 --> 01:44:02.720 the support too, excellent. 1876 01:44:02.800 --> 01:44:03.960 And what was the other card? 1877 01:44:04.560 --> 01:44:08.399 The other card we got the World? Oh yeah, and 1878 01:44:08.479 --> 01:44:11.439 we were just talking, you know, I mean, it fits. 1879 01:44:11.960 --> 01:44:15.359 All right, the World card. A cycle is complete, but 1880 01:44:15.399 --> 01:44:17.720 the end is also a new beginning. Rejoice as the 1881 01:44:17.720 --> 01:44:20.520 world rewards you for your hard work. You are ready 1882 01:44:20.560 --> 01:44:23.119 to receive the rewards that come from completing the journey 1883 01:44:23.159 --> 01:44:25.359 of the Fool, which culminates in the World card. The 1884 01:44:25.399 --> 01:44:27.560 figure on the World card holds a wand in each 1885 01:44:27.560 --> 01:44:30.800 hand like the magician, symbolic of what has been created. 1886 01:44:31.039 --> 01:44:34.680 A wreath encircles her, indicating victory and success. You'll notice 1887 01:44:34.720 --> 01:44:37.600 similarities of the Wheel of Fortune card. A wreath is 1888 01:44:37.640 --> 01:44:40.000 shown floating in the clouds, and the symbols of the 1889 01:44:40.000 --> 01:44:44.520 fixed zodiac signs Aquarius for air, Leo for fire, Taurus 1890 01:44:44.520 --> 01:44:47.399 for earth, and Scorpio for water are once again present, 1891 01:44:47.560 --> 01:44:50.479 indicating these signs and elements where part of the hard 1892 01:44:50.479 --> 01:44:53.239 work you put into completing this cycle. You will not 1893 01:44:53.359 --> 01:44:55.920 go through a difficult time and come out empty handed. 1894 01:44:56.239 --> 01:44:59.279 Celebrate the rewards that come from completion. 1895 01:45:00.359 --> 01:45:04.760 Hell, yeah, that is a great reading. What are you 1896 01:45:04.880 --> 01:45:06.079 using a Marseilles? 1897 01:45:06.239 --> 01:45:06.359 Uh? 1898 01:45:06.920 --> 01:45:08.119 What deck? You use? 1899 01:45:09.359 --> 01:45:09.960 Just the right way? 1900 01:45:10.680 --> 01:45:16.039 Yes Smith, Yes, yes, so yeah, dude. It's it's been 1901 01:45:16.279 --> 01:45:19.119 very helpful along our journey, just as far as trying 1902 01:45:19.119 --> 01:45:21.920 to understand symbolism a little bit more and and getting 1903 01:45:21.960 --> 01:45:24.800 to know what each color means and what each element means, 1904 01:45:24.880 --> 01:45:28.079 and you know, the all the numerology and all that 1905 01:45:28.159 --> 01:45:30.279 kind of stuff. You know, could never get enough of it. 1906 01:45:30.279 --> 01:45:32.800 It's been a bit of a synchronicity generator just for 1907 01:45:32.880 --> 01:45:35.560 this show. Every episode it really tends to line up 1908 01:45:35.560 --> 01:45:38.479 with exactly what we were we were just talking about 1909 01:45:38.640 --> 01:45:40.199 and what was that thing that we were talking about 1910 01:45:40.199 --> 01:45:43.359 before where it was like the uh, the hand holding 1911 01:45:43.399 --> 01:45:45.159 the plant? What was that thing called? Were you like, 1912 01:45:45.800 --> 01:45:46.600 plant the seeds? 1913 01:45:46.760 --> 01:45:53.119 You know what I'm talking about, Oh, Anastasia or what 1914 01:45:53.239 --> 01:45:55.079 is it called? Yeah, the Anastasia method. 1915 01:45:55.600 --> 01:45:57.880 Yeah, So anyways, it was it was this whole thing 1916 01:45:57.880 --> 01:46:00.960 about planting a seed. And anyway, the card that we 1917 01:46:01.000 --> 01:46:04.000 got for that was this hand holding. It was the 1918 01:46:04.039 --> 01:46:06.800 deck itself was slightly different, but it was basically the 1919 01:46:06.880 --> 01:46:09.000 right of Way, you know, but it was a hand 1920 01:46:09.199 --> 01:46:12.079 with stars in it holding a plant. And it was 1921 01:46:12.159 --> 01:46:14.680 just like how there was no other card that could 1922 01:46:14.680 --> 01:46:17.840 have worked out so perfectly, you know, And so I 1923 01:46:17.880 --> 01:46:20.279 don't know, that's just one of those things that tends 1924 01:46:20.319 --> 01:46:23.239 to happen, man, like wherever your mind goes, wherever the 1925 01:46:23.319 --> 01:46:25.720 energy goes, like it just all sinks up and. 1926 01:46:26.039 --> 01:46:29.840 Shows you it's the first synchronistic exactly. 1927 01:46:30.399 --> 01:46:33.720 Like I do totally like it's so much of it 1928 01:46:33.760 --> 01:46:37.119 is just about that alignment and not being scared to 1929 01:46:37.960 --> 01:46:41.760 align with what you truly want. Because again, like we're 1930 01:46:41.880 --> 01:46:47.760 taught like to have very unnatural relationships with the parts 1931 01:46:47.800 --> 01:46:51.439 of us that are ambitious, and I don't know, like 1932 01:46:52.159 --> 01:46:57.600 that's I think that that's wrong. I think we should. 1933 01:46:58.039 --> 01:47:03.640 We're here to create, you know, and there's nothing more 1934 01:47:03.680 --> 01:47:07.840 exciting than like being able to live off of your creations. 1935 01:47:07.880 --> 01:47:10.840 I mean, at that point, you are just in alignment 1936 01:47:10.880 --> 01:47:16.039 with the universe. So I don't know, I think people 1937 01:47:16.119 --> 01:47:19.000 need to I hope people take that to heart, and 1938 01:47:19.520 --> 01:47:25.119 you know, go out and live your dreams and fuck yeah. 1939 01:47:24.000 --> 01:47:26.840 You know what, just one last thing you whenever I 1940 01:47:26.880 --> 01:47:28.600 asked you what the meaning of life is, and you 1941 01:47:28.640 --> 01:47:32.439 said be happy and basically be of service and be useful, right, 1942 01:47:32.760 --> 01:47:37.439 And I almost wonder that it seems like the call 1943 01:47:37.520 --> 01:47:40.880 them guides or angels or whatever is on the other 1944 01:47:40.920 --> 01:47:42.800 side of the veil. It seems like they're here to 1945 01:47:42.840 --> 01:47:44.399 do exactly that for us as well. 1946 01:47:45.800 --> 01:47:47.439 I would say, so at least the ones that I 1947 01:47:47.520 --> 01:47:51.479 meet are, you know, I don't deny that in hyperspace 1948 01:47:51.520 --> 01:47:55.920 there are definitely some tricks or demons or entities I'm 1949 01:47:55.960 --> 01:47:58.840 still trying to figure out because I don't meet them 1950 01:47:58.920 --> 01:48:01.880 often because I always do like protective spells and stuff. 1951 01:48:01.880 --> 01:48:06.399 But I'm going to be doing like a specifically demonic 1952 01:48:06.560 --> 01:48:12.920 like mushroom ritual, like to invoke the devil, because I'd never, like, 1953 01:48:13.119 --> 01:48:17.399 I feel like, in order to understand the worst parts 1954 01:48:17.439 --> 01:48:20.159 of the self that would come up in like the 1955 01:48:20.199 --> 01:48:23.000 satan of your own soul. 1956 01:48:22.880 --> 01:48:25.359 You know, the energy of whatever that is. 1957 01:48:25.520 --> 01:48:29.079 You know, whatever that may be. So yeah, anyway, I 1958 01:48:29.079 --> 01:48:30.239 forgot where I was going with that. 1959 01:48:31.239 --> 01:48:35.640 But yeah, calling on the adversary's just calling on the 1960 01:48:35.680 --> 01:48:37.039 adversary over there. 1961 01:48:37.720 --> 01:48:40.000 Sometimes, you know what, there's a lot of wisdom in job. 1962 01:48:41.439 --> 01:48:43.359 No, I mean, I'll tell you what you know. We've 1963 01:48:43.439 --> 01:48:46.760 we've we try to get real philosophical and wondrous about 1964 01:48:46.760 --> 01:48:50.159 this kind of stuff. And I just from my experience 1965 01:48:50.439 --> 01:48:53.880 with other people's stories. You're talking about demons and the devil, 1966 01:48:54.000 --> 01:48:56.720 and you know, you're reading the Bible and you hear 1967 01:48:56.760 --> 01:48:59.960 those stories and everything, it seems like, yeah, the devil 1968 01:49:00.199 --> 01:49:02.640 and demons might be scary and they're out there just 1969 01:49:02.680 --> 01:49:06.319 fuck you up or whatever, but it seems like that 1970 01:49:06.520 --> 01:49:09.399 has to exist in order to push you in the 1971 01:49:09.439 --> 01:49:13.520 correct direction, you know what I'm saying. Like, without without 1972 01:49:13.560 --> 01:49:17.960 all of that, you wouldn't know necessarily what the bad 1973 01:49:18.039 --> 01:49:20.640 side and the downside and the and and all of 1974 01:49:20.640 --> 01:49:23.399 the horrible things about you represent. 1975 01:49:24.359 --> 01:49:27.079 Yeah you, I couldn't agree more. Man. You have to 1976 01:49:27.119 --> 01:49:32.479 be in touch with those parts of you that are 1977 01:49:32.520 --> 01:49:39.359 capable of actually like causing destruction in the world, because 1978 01:49:40.239 --> 01:49:46.279 it's as as humans we have to learn how to 1979 01:49:47.439 --> 01:49:50.680 deal with that and control that. And as the saying goes, 1980 01:49:50.880 --> 01:49:53.640 mightier as the person that can control their anger than 1981 01:49:53.680 --> 01:49:57.239 one that can destroy a city with it. And I 1982 01:49:57.319 --> 01:50:02.000 think that these days a little too much, people I 1983 01:50:02.000 --> 01:50:04.039 don't know are letting their anger get a little bit 1984 01:50:04.119 --> 01:50:09.680 the best of them. And I'm not perfect. I've certainly 1985 01:50:09.960 --> 01:50:14.039 fallen into that category, but I'm at least recognizing it 1986 01:50:14.079 --> 01:50:18.279 and trying, you know. And sometimes you bring it up 1987 01:50:18.319 --> 01:50:20.520 with people and they just think you're nuts, And it's like, what, 1988 01:50:20.960 --> 01:50:22.720 because I'm trying to be a better person, Why does 1989 01:50:22.760 --> 01:50:23.720 that make me nuts? You know? 1990 01:50:23.760 --> 01:50:27.359 It's demonic, dude, It's demonic, you know. At the end 1991 01:50:27.359 --> 01:50:28.880 of the day, it's all part of the same soup, 1992 01:50:29.520 --> 01:50:29.720 you know. 1993 01:50:29.840 --> 01:50:32.319 Yeah, dude, Well, but it's about being in touch with 1994 01:50:32.359 --> 01:50:34.000 the ego. I guess that's what I was trying to 1995 01:50:34.039 --> 01:50:38.600 get to. It is just that like that demonic side again, 1996 01:50:39.039 --> 01:50:42.279 it's like, just like the goddesses and all that, it's 1997 01:50:42.359 --> 01:50:45.560 coming down you coming up the demons and the devils. 1998 01:50:45.600 --> 01:50:47.920 It's the same thing. So there's a part of you 1999 01:50:48.039 --> 01:50:51.159 that's playing a role in it. And until you actually 2000 01:50:51.199 --> 01:50:55.359 do this and you meet them, you know, well, at 2001 01:50:55.439 --> 01:50:57.279 least I'm going to find out. I was about to say, 2002 01:50:57.319 --> 01:50:59.880 you know, it'll be difficult to understand it, but you 2003 01:51:00.159 --> 01:51:02.560 know what, it might be a total bust. You know, 2004 01:51:02.920 --> 01:51:05.199 I might do the spell wrong. I've done spells and 2005 01:51:05.680 --> 01:51:08.920 they've gone wrong. That's how you know, to your point, 2006 01:51:08.960 --> 01:51:10.640 that's how I know when they go right, because they 2007 01:51:10.680 --> 01:51:11.079 go wrong. 2008 01:51:11.479 --> 01:51:14.199 Absolutely. Yeah, let us know. Maybe we'll have you back 2009 01:51:14.199 --> 01:51:15.800 on at some point. We would love to have you 2010 01:51:15.840 --> 01:51:18.399 back on. Of course, this was an amazing conversation, and 2011 01:51:18.760 --> 01:51:20.680 let us know what happens with that, because I'm kind 2012 01:51:20.680 --> 01:51:21.840 of I'm kind of curious. 2013 01:51:22.039 --> 01:51:22.680 Yeah, sure, I. 2014 01:51:22.720 --> 01:51:25.359 I'll probably be posting it on Instagram when I do it, 2015 01:51:25.399 --> 01:51:29.600 I'll be waiting for It'll be a few months. I'm 2016 01:51:29.640 --> 01:51:34.479 still integrating from a different Iahwasca experience from not too 2017 01:51:34.560 --> 01:51:37.319 long ago, so I like to have the integration period 2018 01:51:37.359 --> 01:51:41.720 and then you'll you'll definitely hear about it for sure. 2019 01:51:42.239 --> 01:51:44.319 Awesome man, Well, thank you so much for coming to 2020 01:51:44.319 --> 01:51:46.640 hang out with us. This was an absolute pleasure. You 2021 01:51:47.159 --> 01:51:50.640 have a wealth of knowledge and experience that only we're 2022 01:51:50.680 --> 01:51:53.520 here to just be the sponge. That's that's it. So 2023 01:51:53.840 --> 01:51:57.960 we appreciate you sharing your knowledge and your experiences with us. 2024 01:51:58.039 --> 01:51:59.520 And like Sehn said, yeah, we would love to have 2025 01:51:59.600 --> 01:52:02.439 you on again and want to someday. Sure if you, 2026 01:52:03.000 --> 01:52:05.279 if you could, could you lead to our we call 2027 01:52:05.399 --> 01:52:08.800 our listeners, the initiates. Could you let the initiates know 2028 01:52:08.840 --> 01:52:10.680 where they can find you and all your good works there? 2029 01:52:11.439 --> 01:52:15.039 Sure, hello, Initiates. You can find me on Instagram at 2030 01:52:15.079 --> 01:52:20.279 Tom dot hatsis. I have a substack as well, which 2031 01:52:20.319 --> 01:52:24.119 if you just search Tom Hatsus or Thomas Hatsus on substack, 2032 01:52:24.720 --> 01:52:27.479 and I have a YouTube page. I'm your channel, I 2033 01:52:27.479 --> 01:52:32.680 guess you say. And I just started doing that, so 2034 01:52:32.720 --> 01:52:34.840 it's there's not too much there. But I have a 2035 01:52:34.880 --> 01:52:37.760 few like podcast things up where it's just me rambling 2036 01:52:37.800 --> 01:52:43.720 about shit, and it's gonna be it's way more culture focused, 2037 01:52:43.720 --> 01:52:47.359 but it's gonna be getting more psychedelic and culture and 2038 01:52:47.520 --> 01:52:51.119 magic and culture focused. And that again, if you just 2039 01:52:51.239 --> 01:52:54.039 go to YouTube and put Tom hatsus. I don't have 2040 01:52:54.119 --> 01:52:57.920 a name for the thing yet for my show yet, 2041 01:52:58.439 --> 01:53:01.279 So if you think of some thing, let me know. 2042 01:53:02.560 --> 01:53:05.159 Absolutely, dude. I could listen to you talk all day, dude. 2043 01:53:05.199 --> 01:53:07.279 So if you start a podcast or whatever, I would 2044 01:53:07.319 --> 01:53:08.840 listen to it. Hell, yeah, for sure. 2045 01:53:09.680 --> 01:53:10.439 So I got a few. 2046 01:53:11.600 --> 01:53:15.920 Yeah, all right, man, all right, Well look, if if 2047 01:53:15.960 --> 01:53:19.560 Thomas hat Says came here and he taught you anything, 2048 01:53:20.079 --> 01:53:20.479 it's that. 2049 01:53:20.520 --> 01:53:22.840 You don't know what you don't know. 2050 01:53:23.560 --> 01:53:55.079 So I don't just get weird stay weird. Oh man, 2051 01:53:55.760 --> 01:53:58.520 that was a that's a nice one. You know, you 2052 01:53:58.560 --> 01:54:04.239 don't You never really to look at each body part 2053 01:54:04.600 --> 01:54:09.399 as if it is almost like its own little energy 2054 01:54:09.520 --> 01:54:13.079 or its own little entity, and to think it and 2055 01:54:13.119 --> 01:54:16.439 show it gratitude. And it might sound kind of silly 2056 01:54:16.600 --> 01:54:18.600 to people who have never done that before. I've never 2057 01:54:18.640 --> 01:54:24.239 done that before, but you can feel why it's important 2058 01:54:24.800 --> 01:54:28.760 to show gratitude toward it though, like it's you like 2059 01:54:28.920 --> 01:54:30.520 actually physically feel it. 2060 01:54:31.000 --> 01:54:34.760 Yeah. The only time I think you think about it 2061 01:54:34.800 --> 01:54:37.399 is like if you're injured, right, like all of a sudden, 2062 01:54:37.479 --> 01:54:40.319 your back's fucked up and you can't lift things the 2063 01:54:40.399 --> 01:54:42.520 way you normally. You can't stand up the way you 2064 01:54:42.560 --> 01:54:45.119 normally could, or just certain things like that is when 2065 01:54:45.159 --> 01:54:47.560 you're like, ah, I just want this to get better, 2066 01:54:47.680 --> 01:54:50.319 Like it's really important for this body part to get 2067 01:54:50.319 --> 01:54:53.720 better because it's really causing a tough strain on my 2068 01:54:53.800 --> 01:54:56.239 life right now. And then when you get better, then 2069 01:54:56.319 --> 01:54:58.039 you you know, time goes by and you kind of 2070 01:54:58.039 --> 01:55:00.720 forget and you take it for granted. Again. It goes 2071 01:55:00.760 --> 01:55:03.560 with everything, man, we take everything. We get to a 2072 01:55:03.600 --> 01:55:06.920 point where we take things for granted. So and I 2073 01:55:06.960 --> 01:55:10.079 know that you know, saying be grateful, you know, the 2074 01:55:10.239 --> 01:55:14.479 gratefulness and all of this. It sounds cheesy or whatever, 2075 01:55:14.520 --> 01:55:18.239 but I you know, I think it's super important. Dude. 2076 01:55:18.439 --> 01:55:20.720 You know, we've talked about this before. It's like when 2077 01:55:20.760 --> 01:55:23.000 you're when you're grateful and you kind of just live 2078 01:55:23.119 --> 01:55:30.239 that way, everything is just extra, you know. And No, 2079 01:55:30.399 --> 01:55:34.239 that was a pretty interesting one, man. I was imagining, 2080 01:55:34.399 --> 01:55:37.720 like any any times in your life, like growing up 2081 01:55:38.039 --> 01:55:41.520 or or whatever, you if you have a bad experience 2082 01:55:41.720 --> 01:55:43.920 or or you know, maybe you felt like you did 2083 01:55:43.960 --> 01:55:47.000 somebody wrong or whatever, it is that you know the 2084 01:55:47.039 --> 01:55:49.960 things that you would need to forgive yourself for. It's 2085 01:55:50.000 --> 01:55:53.439 almost like wherever you were in that point in time, 2086 01:55:53.520 --> 01:55:56.199 it kind of just got trapped there, you know, almost 2087 01:55:56.199 --> 01:55:59.720 like an echo of space time, and it's just stuck there. 2088 01:56:00.039 --> 01:56:02.800 But it's a version of you, but but not all 2089 01:56:02.840 --> 01:56:06.119 of you, you know, So I feel like and just 2090 01:56:06.119 --> 01:56:07.720 just to play around with it, you know, I was 2091 01:56:07.760 --> 01:56:13.319 just visualizing that and kind of like allowing those parts 2092 01:56:13.359 --> 01:56:15.720 of myself to be to be free, you know, and 2093 01:56:16.039 --> 01:56:18.279 not be trapped in that in that moment or in 2094 01:56:18.920 --> 01:56:22.079 you know, in that time of anger or feeling upset 2095 01:56:22.359 --> 01:56:25.640 or feeling let down or you know, any any moment 2096 01:56:25.680 --> 01:56:29.239 like that, just kind of released that because maybe you know, 2097 01:56:29.319 --> 01:56:32.560 maybe consciously you don't think it's there, but you go 2098 01:56:32.640 --> 01:56:34.760 into that meditation and you kind of just start to 2099 01:56:34.840 --> 01:56:38.399 let those thoughts come in and try to really because 2100 01:56:38.640 --> 01:56:40.119 I mean, the best thing you can do is put 2101 01:56:40.119 --> 01:56:43.720 your awareness on the things that maybe you purposely put 2102 01:56:43.760 --> 01:56:46.600 away or maybe you you know, and so in your 2103 01:56:46.640 --> 01:56:49.840 reality now it doesn't even exist, but it's still there, 2104 01:56:49.880 --> 01:56:52.560 and I'm sure it's still like a wall. That's that's 2105 01:56:52.680 --> 01:56:57.600 kind of trapping that fullness of you to be, you know, 2106 01:56:58.039 --> 01:56:58.680 all the way. 2107 01:56:58.680 --> 01:57:05.720 You Yeah, yeah, It's what's interesting is is that people 2108 01:57:05.720 --> 01:57:10.239 who believe that only the physical world exists, whether they're 2109 01:57:10.319 --> 01:57:13.920 atheist or religious or whatever you are. I mean, there 2110 01:57:14.000 --> 01:57:19.479 are there are people who consider themselves spiritual that think that, well, 2111 01:57:19.720 --> 01:57:23.319 we only experience the physical and all that other stuff 2112 01:57:23.359 --> 01:57:26.720 is happening, that's the spiritual stuff. But this is the 2113 01:57:26.760 --> 01:57:31.680 physical realm, so only physical things happen here. And it's 2114 01:57:31.760 --> 01:57:35.439 easy to think that, Like that's the easiest thing to 2115 01:57:35.560 --> 01:57:38.880 believe because it's the most obvious, right, Like I can 2116 01:57:38.920 --> 01:57:41.880 touch this desk, I know it's here, Therefore it is real. 2117 01:57:42.560 --> 01:57:46.279 But like man, whenever you're going through all the individual 2118 01:57:46.319 --> 01:57:53.119 body parts and you know, bring focus there. I don't 2119 01:57:53.119 --> 01:57:56.079 even know how to explain it, but I feel energy 2120 01:57:56.199 --> 01:57:58.359 going there, you know what I like? 2121 01:57:58.439 --> 01:58:02.000 I get. No, it's something that's probably always happening. That feeling, 2122 01:58:02.119 --> 01:58:04.640 that tingling, that whatever it is that you feel when 2123 01:58:04.680 --> 01:58:08.199 you put your awareness there is always happening. And that's 2124 01:58:08.399 --> 01:58:11.680 very comparable to a lot of the mystical things and 2125 01:58:11.720 --> 01:58:14.760 spiritual things that we would notice on psychedelics or whatever, 2126 01:58:14.800 --> 01:58:17.880 because it's always happening, but we just so happen to 2127 01:58:17.920 --> 01:58:20.560 be putting our attention on it in that moment in time. 2128 01:58:20.640 --> 01:58:24.800 And if you can bring that awareness there and feel 2129 01:58:24.920 --> 01:58:29.039 the energy that is going there, and then add on 2130 01:58:29.159 --> 01:58:34.000 top of that the feeling of gratitude that is being 2131 01:58:34.119 --> 01:58:38.600 funneled into that energy that you that you're focusing to 2132 01:58:38.680 --> 01:58:42.600 that point, you could see how one might heal themselves. 2133 01:58:42.800 --> 01:58:45.159 That's exactly what I was hoping. That's where you were 2134 01:58:45.199 --> 01:58:48.319 going to go. Yeah, absolutely, yeah for sure, like all 2135 01:58:48.359 --> 01:58:50.600 the cells in that part of your body are just 2136 01:58:50.640 --> 01:58:53.399 like happy, you know, like, oh, you know what I mean, 2137 01:58:53.439 --> 01:58:56.640 there's a tension on us, like everything. What is that 2138 01:58:56.720 --> 01:59:01.920 experiment where the double slid experiment, you know, where awareness 2139 01:59:02.479 --> 01:59:06.159 or the observer has some sort of impact and so 2140 01:59:06.319 --> 01:59:09.439 you the observer is observing that part and maybe this 2141 01:59:09.600 --> 01:59:11.680 is like out there, you know, and maybe it's not 2142 01:59:11.720 --> 01:59:13.439 real at all. I don't know, but it sounds cool 2143 01:59:13.479 --> 01:59:15.920 to me. Like if you put your awareness on a 2144 01:59:15.960 --> 01:59:18.680 part of your body that needs healing and just like 2145 01:59:19.800 --> 01:59:23.560 full intention, just put all of that healing energy into 2146 01:59:23.640 --> 01:59:25.159 that part of your body. I feel like there was 2147 01:59:25.199 --> 01:59:28.520 one time where that happened here on this podcast. I 2148 01:59:28.560 --> 01:59:31.039 was having a really tough time with my one of 2149 01:59:31.039 --> 01:59:32.800 my toe, it was my big toe. It was just 2150 01:59:32.880 --> 01:59:35.880 hurting really bad, and I remember we were doing something 2151 01:59:35.920 --> 01:59:37.920 like that, and there was this weird hum and I 2152 01:59:37.960 --> 01:59:40.760 felt like, all of a sudden there was like a 2153 01:59:40.760 --> 01:59:43.800 almost like a bubbling type of sensation in my toe. 2154 01:59:43.840 --> 01:59:46.800 And the next day it was feeling better, like dramatically better, 2155 01:59:46.880 --> 01:59:48.720 not just a little bit. And so I don't know, 2156 01:59:48.760 --> 01:59:52.399 maybe that was a coincidence, but I don't think there. 2157 01:59:52.359 --> 01:59:54.960 Is such a thing, dude. I think you are literally 2158 01:59:55.079 --> 02:00:01.159 guiding energy, and depending upon what energy you are putting 2159 02:00:01.239 --> 02:00:08.039 into that soup of energy, that's maybe how it interacts 2160 02:00:08.039 --> 02:00:13.000 with it. So if you are saying, oh, my fucking knees, 2161 02:00:13.199 --> 02:00:16.800 they're just given now they curse fucking hate them, what 2162 02:00:16.960 --> 02:00:19.159 I just wish. I just want to rip these things off, 2163 02:00:19.760 --> 02:00:22.079 you know what I mean? Like, and you're just constantly 2164 02:00:22.279 --> 02:00:25.159 not only saying it, but you're you're feeling it, and 2165 02:00:25.159 --> 02:00:27.760 you're allowing that energy to encompass you and maybe you're 2166 02:00:27.800 --> 02:00:31.840 even imagining it, And yeah, I would imagine they probably 2167 02:00:31.840 --> 02:00:36.840 don't get any better than that. But conversely, you say 2168 02:00:36.880 --> 02:00:39.680 about how much gratitude you had toward towards it, and 2169 02:00:39.840 --> 02:00:41.800 it sends a little energy in the same way. And 2170 02:00:41.840 --> 02:00:45.039 it's not even just about your body, dude, Like I 2171 02:00:45.079 --> 02:00:49.880 think that when people pray. I'm not going to go 2172 02:00:49.920 --> 02:00:52.039 into the specifics of it, but like I think that 2173 02:00:52.079 --> 02:00:56.800 whenever people pray. Let's say, my daughter is going to 2174 02:00:56.840 --> 02:01:00.880 take a test I don't know tomorrow, right, and I'm like, God, 2175 02:01:00.960 --> 02:01:08.279 please give her the patience and the trust in herself 2176 02:01:08.399 --> 02:01:11.800 and let her know that she is capable of getting 2177 02:01:11.840 --> 02:01:15.239 an A on this. Do I literally believe that God 2178 02:01:15.319 --> 02:01:18.439 is going to do that. I don't know, maybe, but 2179 02:01:18.560 --> 02:01:21.399 I think that the energy that I just put out 2180 02:01:21.560 --> 02:01:22.960 is being received somewhere. 2181 02:01:24.640 --> 02:01:27.880 Yeah, even if it's just the the energy that you're 2182 02:01:27.920 --> 02:01:31.880 putting into a potential reality, let's just say that, dude, 2183 02:01:31.920 --> 02:01:35.560 I feel like that alone is a lot bigger than 2184 02:01:35.840 --> 02:01:39.239 you would believe. Dude. You know, like if you really 2185 02:01:39.279 --> 02:01:42.680 believe in something that you want to accomplish, like you 2186 02:01:42.720 --> 02:01:46.079 believe like there's no matter, no matter what happens, I'm 2187 02:01:46.119 --> 02:01:50.039 going to accomplish this because this is like my ultimate goal, 2188 02:01:50.199 --> 02:01:53.439 this is what I have to do this. I know 2189 02:01:53.560 --> 02:01:55.439 deep down in my heart that this is what I 2190 02:01:55.479 --> 02:01:58.159 want to accomplish, and I'm going to do everything possible. 2191 02:01:58.760 --> 02:02:02.039 And then you're also like visualizing it and because of 2192 02:02:02.079 --> 02:02:04.920 course you would be how could you How could you 2193 02:02:05.000 --> 02:02:08.600 not visualize what that would look like. It's all just this, 2194 02:02:08.840 --> 02:02:12.560 it's all one, one thing, you know, And so you're 2195 02:02:12.560 --> 02:02:16.479 putting your awareness on a potential reality that you would 2196 02:02:16.520 --> 02:02:19.600 want to see. Then I just feel like it has 2197 02:02:19.640 --> 02:02:22.880 to happen, you know, I mean within reason, you know, 2198 02:02:23.079 --> 02:02:29.159 obviously maybe maybe within reason, maybe not. I mean it 2199 02:02:29.239 --> 02:02:32.960 was definitely not within reason. Whenever that fucking wizard went 2200 02:02:33.000 --> 02:02:35.640 out in the desert and pulled the moon closer. You know, 2201 02:02:35.720 --> 02:02:39.920 that's without That's that's illogical, that goes against all logic. 2202 02:02:40.680 --> 02:02:45.119 Yeah, so I think that the only thing that is 2203 02:02:45.760 --> 02:02:51.720 unreasonable is the boundaries in your own mind. Really, yeah, 2204 02:02:51.720 --> 02:02:54.720 because there's a way I fucking what was his name, 2205 02:02:55.640 --> 02:03:00.720 Joe Despendza healed his back through meditation, bro, like put 2206 02:03:00.760 --> 02:03:03.039 the piece is back to where they needed to go. 2207 02:03:03.159 --> 02:03:06.560 Oh for sure, focus and energy and contemplation. 2208 02:03:07.239 --> 02:03:11.239 My uh wow, whatever. My nose and everything was all 2209 02:03:11.319 --> 02:03:13.479 because I was sick for like month. I feel like 2210 02:03:13.520 --> 02:03:14.640 it was sick for like a month and a half. 2211 02:03:14.720 --> 02:03:16.800 I couldn't breathe out of my nose. We did that 2212 02:03:16.880 --> 02:03:18.920 mind control shit, and I was like really trying to 2213 02:03:18.920 --> 02:03:20.720 work on that, and like I've even thought about it 2214 02:03:20.760 --> 02:03:23.560 after the fact and trying to heal that and like 2215 02:03:23.840 --> 02:03:26.680 touching my fingers together and really just trying to I 2216 02:03:26.720 --> 02:03:28.359 want this to be better, because it was starting to 2217 02:03:28.439 --> 02:03:31.840 kind of concern me, you know something like that. Dude, 2218 02:03:31.840 --> 02:03:35.319 I can it's like a lot better right now, like tonight. 2219 02:03:35.600 --> 02:03:38.079 I mean, for the last two days, it's been a 2220 02:03:38.119 --> 02:03:40.600 little bit better, and I feel like I can talk 2221 02:03:40.720 --> 02:03:43.359 a little bit more normally, you know, And so like 2222 02:03:44.159 --> 02:03:46.680 a coincidence, I don't know. 2223 02:03:47.079 --> 02:03:50.600 I think it probably presents itself as a coincidence. 2224 02:03:50.439 --> 02:03:52.840 Right yeah, for some reason that it's like hard to 2225 02:03:52.840 --> 02:03:55.720 believe some of these things, so you just just to 2226 02:03:55.720 --> 02:03:57.279 play it safe, as if you had to play it 2227 02:03:57.399 --> 02:04:00.800 safe by just saying, oh, it's a coincidence instead of 2228 02:04:00.880 --> 02:04:04.239 just being like, oh, I think I might have helped 2229 02:04:04.279 --> 02:04:05.760 that along just a little bit. 2230 02:04:06.439 --> 02:04:06.600 You know. 2231 02:04:07.319 --> 02:04:10.079 Yeah, definitely push it and that right way. You know, 2232 02:04:10.119 --> 02:04:13.359 what I think helps probably more than anything else, at 2233 02:04:13.439 --> 02:04:17.039 least from what I was kind of experimenting around, and 2234 02:04:17.119 --> 02:04:23.000 that meditation was, is that, yeah, whenever I'm gonna say 2235 02:04:23.000 --> 02:04:27.000 a little story and then it'll connect. Whenever I was younger, 2236 02:04:27.319 --> 02:04:29.039 I mean, I have a brother and a sister. We're 2237 02:04:29.079 --> 02:04:31.840 all relatively close to the same age. My sister is 2238 02:04:32.119 --> 02:04:33.800 a year and a half younger than me, My brother 2239 02:04:33.840 --> 02:04:36.119 is four years younger than me. I'm the oldest. And 2240 02:04:37.359 --> 02:04:40.159 whenever we were growing up, man, we would all get 2241 02:04:40.199 --> 02:04:42.279 into arguments, we would get into fights. Me and my 2242 02:04:42.319 --> 02:04:45.600 brother literally wrestled and fought every day like it was. 2243 02:04:46.399 --> 02:04:48.880 But we never took it too far, you know what 2244 02:04:48.920 --> 02:04:53.479 I'm saying, Like I never broke a bone or you know, 2245 02:04:54.000 --> 02:04:56.439 punched him in the face or anything like that. Like 2246 02:04:56.520 --> 02:04:59.640 it was brotherly love. Like even when we were pissed 2247 02:04:59.680 --> 02:05:02.760 at each each other and like ready to rip each 2248 02:05:02.760 --> 02:05:05.760 other's heads off, there was we were never going to 2249 02:05:05.920 --> 02:05:10.000 go as far as you know, maybe other people would 2250 02:05:10.000 --> 02:05:13.279 have gone. And I think that that's that was just 2251 02:05:13.359 --> 02:05:14.840 kind of in our mind that you don't do that 2252 02:05:14.880 --> 02:05:18.479 to family, you know, like and and what is family 2253 02:05:18.640 --> 02:05:22.079 other than familiar, you know what I'm saying, Like, I 2254 02:05:22.079 --> 02:05:24.600 think that's actually probably where it comes from, is it's 2255 02:05:24.640 --> 02:05:29.039 your familiar. And so whenever I was going in and 2256 02:05:29.880 --> 02:05:33.800 putting my focus on my feet and my ankles and 2257 02:05:33.840 --> 02:05:36.319 my knees and my hips and everything in my chest 2258 02:05:36.399 --> 02:05:40.119 and everything, yeah, I went about it as if I 2259 02:05:40.359 --> 02:05:46.279 was familiar with that with doing that, you know, and 2260 02:05:46.319 --> 02:05:49.359 I think that people put a little bit of separation 2261 02:05:49.520 --> 02:05:54.439 in between them and things that are seemingly unknown. But 2262 02:05:54.479 --> 02:05:58.199 if it's all one giant thing and there is no separation, 2263 02:05:59.000 --> 02:06:02.880 then at an at some level, probably at all levels, 2264 02:06:03.119 --> 02:06:09.399 but at some level to our ability to comprehend, it's relatable. 2265 02:06:09.840 --> 02:06:14.079 It's you know, it's familiar. And I think that if 2266 02:06:14.119 --> 02:06:16.880 you go in with that faith that it is familiar 2267 02:06:18.119 --> 02:06:21.119 and instead of putting a little distance in between, look 2268 02:06:21.119 --> 02:06:23.279 at it like it's familiar. I think that's where the 2269 02:06:23.319 --> 02:06:26.960 fucking healing is at, Dude, Like, it is that level 2270 02:06:27.039 --> 02:06:31.920 of familiar that like, who knows what we were before 2271 02:06:31.960 --> 02:06:36.000 we incarnated. Maybe we were existing as other people or 2272 02:06:36.039 --> 02:06:39.119 aliens or planets or stars or whatever, but surely there 2273 02:06:39.159 --> 02:06:42.600 was an in between period where we were just energy, 2274 02:06:42.760 --> 02:06:45.159 and I think as energy we were able to go 2275 02:06:45.239 --> 02:06:48.399 around and probably experience a lot of different things, and 2276 02:06:48.840 --> 02:06:52.399 some of those things are I mean, I don't know. 2277 02:06:52.520 --> 02:06:56.720 I like to boil it all down to a singularity point, 2278 02:06:57.359 --> 02:07:01.199 and if everything is one singularity point, then there is 2279 02:07:01.279 --> 02:07:03.159 nothing that is unfamiliar. 2280 02:07:03.199 --> 02:07:07.640 Right, Yeah, Well, it's no coincidence that when somebody tries 2281 02:07:07.680 --> 02:07:12.319 psychedelics and they blast off into outer space, you know, Like, 2282 02:07:12.399 --> 02:07:14.640 why is that? That seems to be one of those 2283 02:07:14.720 --> 02:07:18.319 common things that people would experience, and it's I don't know, 2284 02:07:18.319 --> 02:07:21.319 I feel like there's there's no coincidence there. It's like 2285 02:07:21.359 --> 02:07:24.039 the you are the universe, yes, you know, and it's 2286 02:07:24.079 --> 02:07:28.520 almost like when you get outside of what you think 2287 02:07:28.640 --> 02:07:33.960 is you right, you're you just you're so just comfortable 2288 02:07:34.039 --> 02:07:37.640 with being this body, and then you get you get 2289 02:07:37.640 --> 02:07:39.600 out of your own way and you take down those 2290 02:07:39.680 --> 02:07:42.119 walls and the ego and everything else, and you're just 2291 02:07:42.319 --> 02:07:45.760 the universe. And so I think that's where we come from. 2292 02:07:45.840 --> 02:07:48.520 We just come from the we we are. We were 2293 02:07:48.640 --> 02:07:51.680 just the universe, and now we're we're this right now 2294 02:07:52.199 --> 02:07:57.520 for this short amount of time, yeah, until we're not yeah, 2295 02:07:57.560 --> 02:08:00.479 and then we're back to that again. But you may 2296 02:08:00.520 --> 02:08:04.880 as well be familiar with it, because I think just 2297 02:08:04.920 --> 02:08:07.560 going back to that, like I think that anytime. 2298 02:08:10.079 --> 02:08:12.439 I think there's a lot of division in the world. Obviously, 2299 02:08:12.520 --> 02:08:15.279 like it's not hard to find the division in the world, 2300 02:08:15.359 --> 02:08:20.600 whatever it is, political, religious, difference of opinion on anything, right, 2301 02:08:21.279 --> 02:08:23.439 But I think that if we were able to find 2302 02:08:24.199 --> 02:08:28.960 anything that we could be familiar with even to a stranger. Oh, 2303 02:08:29.000 --> 02:08:31.479 you got up in the morning and I don't know, 2304 02:08:31.760 --> 02:08:35.119 took a piss. Hey I did that this morning, you know, 2305 02:08:35.239 --> 02:08:35.920 like something. 2306 02:08:35.760 --> 02:08:39.000 So also like flying in your dreams, I know it? 2307 02:08:39.800 --> 02:08:42.399 Who doesn't know it? Who doesn't? 2308 02:08:42.600 --> 02:08:42.800 You know? 2309 02:08:44.880 --> 02:08:48.239 It's that level of familiarity that ultimately brings you closer. 2310 02:08:49.159 --> 02:08:51.359 And isn't that the point of all of it, Like 2311 02:08:51.439 --> 02:08:54.239 the point of everything is just to get closer and 2312 02:08:54.319 --> 02:08:58.439 more intertwined and not divided. And I think that that's 2313 02:08:58.520 --> 02:09:02.560 happening probably on a microcosmic skill as well as a 2314 02:09:02.560 --> 02:09:03.560 macrocosmic skill. 2315 02:09:05.079 --> 02:09:07.720 Absolutely. I think we just we just give in, We 2316 02:09:07.800 --> 02:09:11.359 give into certain things, We choose sides. We you know, 2317 02:09:11.760 --> 02:09:15.640 we create our own divisions. I feel like we allow 2318 02:09:16.159 --> 02:09:19.840 the divisions. And it's like most people are just wanting 2319 02:09:19.880 --> 02:09:22.439 a you know, a decent life. They want to love 2320 02:09:22.520 --> 02:09:24.720 their family, They want their kids to go to school 2321 02:09:24.720 --> 02:09:27.239 and come home safe. They you know, they want to 2322 02:09:27.239 --> 02:09:30.520 make sure that everyone's got something to eat in the house. 2323 02:09:30.600 --> 02:09:33.520 And you know what I'm saying, most people would would 2324 02:09:33.560 --> 02:09:35.760 see someone on the side of the road and go, oh, fuck, 2325 02:09:35.840 --> 02:09:37.920 that sucks. I've been there before. I wish I can 2326 02:09:37.960 --> 02:09:40.439 get over, but there's traffic and I can't go and help. Like, 2327 02:09:40.760 --> 02:09:42.520 I feel like most people are kind of on the 2328 02:09:42.600 --> 02:09:47.000 same wavelength, on that same level, but then there's just 2329 02:09:47.039 --> 02:09:51.039 all these different things that they their attachments and and 2330 02:09:51.119 --> 02:09:54.119 things that they've kind of acquired depending on where they 2331 02:09:54.199 --> 02:09:58.560 spawn and you know, into this world, and you know, 2332 02:09:58.680 --> 02:10:02.680 they they're they're they're so they're bought into it so hard, dude, 2333 02:10:02.720 --> 02:10:06.520 that it's like, if I'm not that, then what am I? 2334 02:10:07.720 --> 02:10:11.119 You know, if I'm not the team that I like, 2335 02:10:11.319 --> 02:10:14.359 or if I'm not the cell phone that I prefer 2336 02:10:14.479 --> 02:10:17.960 over Apple or Android, or you know, oh I don't 2337 02:10:18.079 --> 02:10:21.039 like that band because they're probably demonic, or there's just 2338 02:10:21.079 --> 02:10:24.079 so many different things that people like to just nitpick, 2339 02:10:24.159 --> 02:10:27.680 and if you don't like what I like, then you know, 2340 02:10:27.800 --> 02:10:29.560 we can't hang out. And it's like, I don't know, 2341 02:10:30.520 --> 02:10:32.239 maybe I'm getting too far into the weeds here, but 2342 02:10:32.279 --> 02:10:35.359 it's just I know what you're saying, dude. That's the thing. 2343 02:10:35.439 --> 02:10:37.479 That's the one thing I feel like needs to be 2344 02:10:38.079 --> 02:10:44.439 figured out. But it's just it seems impossible, like I 2345 02:10:44.479 --> 02:10:47.680 can't figure out a single thing that I can say 2346 02:10:48.000 --> 02:10:50.960 or do to get people to just be like, oh, yeah, 2347 02:10:51.000 --> 02:10:53.640 we're all just here on this planet at the same time, 2348 02:10:54.680 --> 02:10:56.119 like you know, like. 2349 02:10:58.000 --> 02:10:58.960 By God's grace. 2350 02:11:00.520 --> 02:11:04.680 Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah. I don't know, dude, I don't know. 2351 02:11:04.720 --> 02:11:07.560 Maybe some day people will will figure it out. 2352 02:11:09.920 --> 02:11:12.680 It's it's kind of like uh Nadel Perrman said the 2353 02:11:12.720 --> 02:11:15.000 most evil thing that you can tell yourself. The one 2354 02:11:15.079 --> 02:11:17.239 word you remember when he said. 2355 02:11:17.000 --> 02:11:22.239 This, yes, is they mm hmm yeah, the enemy with 2356 02:11:22.359 --> 02:11:28.319 no face you know, yep, that is perpetuated by your 2357 02:11:28.359 --> 02:11:29.079 own thoughts. 2358 02:11:29.439 --> 02:11:34.760 There is no vainess in oneness, right right, It can't 2359 02:11:34.760 --> 02:11:40.079 happen like that anyhow. All right, Yeah, I do have 2360 02:11:40.079 --> 02:11:41.520 one more thing I wanted to say. I don't know 2361 02:11:41.520 --> 02:11:45.079 how many people listen beyond here, so I probably should 2362 02:11:45.079 --> 02:11:46.920 have said it at first, but I'll just run it 2363 02:11:46.920 --> 02:11:49.640 by you in case nobody's listening whatever. All right, Yeah, 2364 02:11:50.319 --> 02:11:52.560 I think what I'm gonna do is, I don't know. 2365 02:11:52.600 --> 02:11:54.760 I'm not sure which day I want to do it, 2366 02:11:55.279 --> 02:11:59.640 but I want to pick one day a week where 2367 02:12:01.119 --> 02:12:04.039 it'll just be me behind the mic and I'm reading 2368 02:12:04.079 --> 02:12:08.159 a book and it'll be a meta book club, and 2369 02:12:09.359 --> 02:12:11.239 I'm sure you're going to listen to it. Because we 2370 02:12:11.279 --> 02:12:14.159 love the same books and everything like that. But I 2371 02:12:14.199 --> 02:12:16.399 want it to be a book club, like, all right, 2372 02:12:16.439 --> 02:12:19.359 we're going to read five chapters today, or maybe we'll 2373 02:12:19.359 --> 02:12:21.479 read half the book, or if it's small enough, maybe 2374 02:12:21.479 --> 02:12:24.119 we'll read the full book in one sitting. But I 2375 02:12:24.479 --> 02:12:26.760 have so many damn books that I know we're never 2376 02:12:26.840 --> 02:12:30.399 going to be able to get to, and I want 2377 02:12:30.399 --> 02:12:33.479 to be able to share with everybody else because most 2378 02:12:33.479 --> 02:12:37.199 of the books that I have are suggestions from listeners 2379 02:12:37.479 --> 02:12:40.800 or from guests that we've had, or just from even 2380 02:12:40.920 --> 02:12:44.279 research that I've done that I thought was particularly interesting. 2381 02:12:44.920 --> 02:12:47.760 And there's so many amazing books that I have that 2382 02:12:47.800 --> 02:12:49.479 I just I don't have the time to get to, 2383 02:12:50.000 --> 02:12:52.079 and so this will give me a reason to get 2384 02:12:52.079 --> 02:12:53.319 to them, you know what I'm saying. 2385 02:12:53.720 --> 02:12:56.039 Dude, No, that's a great idea. You should definitely do that, 2386 02:12:56.439 --> 02:12:56.920 for sure. 2387 02:12:57.079 --> 02:12:58.279 I think that would be a lot of fun. 2388 02:12:58.359 --> 02:13:01.319 It's funny though, that you were thinking that as far 2389 02:13:01.319 --> 02:13:02.800 as like, I don't know how many people listen this 2390 02:13:02.880 --> 02:13:06.720 far because I had that thought, like I wonder how 2391 02:13:06.760 --> 02:13:10.079 many people are actually doing the meditation or if like 2392 02:13:10.199 --> 02:13:12.520 whenever we're like, oh, time for the meditation, they're like 2393 02:13:12.560 --> 02:13:14.159 all right, well, I guess that's it, you know, and 2394 02:13:14.199 --> 02:13:16.680 they just kind of tune out. But even if one 2395 02:13:16.760 --> 02:13:20.319 person is out, they're meditating. I mean, either way, we're 2396 02:13:20.319 --> 02:13:24.479 still gonna do it. You know. I love the meditations, dude. 2397 02:13:24.520 --> 02:13:26.319 I get so much more out of them that I 2398 02:13:26.399 --> 02:13:29.880 even anticipate, you know, like really. 2399 02:13:30.159 --> 02:13:32.920 Yeah, Well, you know, here's what we'll do for anybody 2400 02:13:32.960 --> 02:13:35.840 that is listening, because this episode's going everywhere, but for 2401 02:13:35.920 --> 02:13:40.119 anybody that is listening on the Cult of Conspiracy podcast, 2402 02:13:40.319 --> 02:13:45.159 on the Metamistics podcast, on Spotify, on Apple, on YouTube, 2403 02:13:45.239 --> 02:13:48.359 on Patreon, wherever you're listening to this, if you just 2404 02:13:48.600 --> 02:13:52.119 drop a comment, that will, like it'll be an inside thing. 2405 02:13:52.800 --> 02:13:58.520 And if you've listened this far, just put a I 2406 02:13:58.520 --> 02:14:02.479 don't know, put a uh, put a question mark. It'll 2407 02:14:02.520 --> 02:14:05.319 be an inside joke, yep. And we'll see how many 2408 02:14:05.399 --> 02:14:07.960 question marks and then we'll know, like you don't even 2409 02:14:08.000 --> 02:14:09.680 have to say I was here till the end, just 2410 02:14:09.680 --> 02:14:12.840 just a question mark, and and we'll know that's it. 2411 02:14:13.640 --> 02:14:16.199 Yep. There's gonna be that one person that just is 2412 02:14:16.279 --> 02:14:18.800 just organically putting a question mark because they don't know 2413 02:14:18.840 --> 02:14:20.800 what the hell we're talking about. And then everyone else 2414 02:14:20.840 --> 02:14:22.920 puts question marks and it's gonna really throw them off. 2415 02:14:23.439 --> 02:14:24.159 So that would be great. 2416 02:14:24.279 --> 02:14:27.439 Yeah, whatever, yeah, whatever happens in and if and if 2417 02:14:27.479 --> 02:14:29.800 people are questioning your question mark, just be like, you 2418 02:14:29.840 --> 02:14:33.119 don't get it, you don't know, you wouldn't know, right, 2419 02:14:33.199 --> 02:14:36.000 So even if you're the first one that puts a 2420 02:14:36.079 --> 02:14:39.239 question mark, we want to see it. I'd like there 2421 02:14:39.239 --> 02:14:41.479 needs to be no context other than the question mark. 2422 02:14:41.520 --> 02:14:44.000 That's it'd be great. Perfect. 2423 02:14:45.640 --> 02:14:47.600 But yeah, I'm gonna I think I'm gonna start that 2424 02:14:47.600 --> 02:14:52.319 that uh that book club. Now what's today? Says Friday? 2425 02:14:52.560 --> 02:14:53.960 It'll probably it'll start next week. 2426 02:14:54.359 --> 02:14:57.399 Oh it's Friday. Oh it's Thursday for me, technically Friday. 2427 02:14:57.479 --> 02:14:59.439 Now different days, all right for me? Anyway. 2428 02:14:59.520 --> 02:15:02.119 Yeah, so yeah, I think i'll start it next week. 2429 02:15:02.119 --> 02:15:04.199 I haven't picked a day yet, but I don't know. 2430 02:15:04.319 --> 02:15:08.960 We'll be weird. Sounds good anyhow, all right, the one 2431 02:15:09.239 --> 02:15:12.199 Hopefully you enjoyed this conversation, Hopefully you listened this far, 2432 02:15:12.279 --> 02:15:13.880 and if you did, question mark. 2433 02:15:15.640 --> 02:15:20.000 Question mark, I'm Ron Burgundy. 2434 02:15:20.880 --> 02:15:25.119 Right yeah, and so yeah, we'll just leave it there. 2435 02:15:25.279 --> 02:15:27.119 We love you and we'll see you on the flip side. 2436 02:15:27.760 --> 02:15:31.079 I guess imagine what would it happened if we had 2437 02:15:31.159 --> 02:15:33.520 in the tract and the magic we had back when 2438 02:15:33.640 --> 02:15:36.239 we couldn't fathom life is the fantasy, not. 2439 02:15:36.359 --> 02:15:38.840 With the fan, indeed not the way it was back then. 2440 02:15:39.079 --> 02:15:41.159 So I grabbed my pan and write it down like 2441 02:15:41.199 --> 02:15:44.600 a scripture, missed and mist making hits for the misfits, 2442 02:15:44.680 --> 02:15:46.960 the show with you don't Know what you don't know 2443 02:15:47.119 --> 02:15:49.359 when it's on again with Shawn and Jonathan