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Speaker 1: Welcome back, everyone to a new episode of You Were

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Wrong with Molly Heningway, editor in chief of the Federalist

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and David Harsani, senior writer at The Washington Examiner. Just

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as a reminder, if you'd like to email a show,

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please do so at radio at the Federalist dot com.

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We'd love to hear from you, Mollie. Did you watch

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the Oscars?

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Speaker 2: I did not. I did not even know that they

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were going to be on until like and that day,

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and I was in Vegas and I was not going

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to stop things to watch the Oscars.

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Speaker 1: Now, you're not going to stop your Vegas stuff.

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Speaker 2: Did you watch them?

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Speaker 1: No? I did not, but I went to see I think,

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one Battle after another, one many other wards, not all

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of them. I saw Michael beat Jordan as an initial

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one best actor. But I went to see like one

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of which of these movies that I actually seen, right?

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And I did see one battle after next after another.

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Did you watch that movie?

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Speaker 2: No? But Mark did. And you know it's who's the

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guy who wrote the book that was based.

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Speaker 1: On Thomas Pynchon. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, he likes Pynchone and he's made me

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read Pynchone and I've done that. I mean, I enjoy it,

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but sort of balls. It's very weird, and I do

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love Paul Thomas Anderson, so I would go see it,

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but I just didn't. I didn't. It didn't seem enjoyable

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enough for me to want to go see it. But like,

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if I had nothing else to do and it was streaming,

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then I would watch that. Probably it is streaming, and okay,

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well find you showed me to be a.

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Speaker 1: Liar, just so people know. On HBO, I think or

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Max or whatever it's called. Now, this movie's so weird

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to me. I have really conflicting feelings about it, like

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I hate it and love it at the same time

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throughout the whole movie. And a lot of people call

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it sort of COMI slop because it's kind of where

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they say it's glorifying the weathermen and that kind of

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terroristic activity, and that some of it's about kind of

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illegal immigration. But I didn't really find it that as

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political as people say. I think it was a bit

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goofy and it actually showed the terrorists. It's just pathetic

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people basically, you know, I mean, I just I know

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he's been writing this movie a long time. Finallyine came out,

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and maybe the eighties or nineties, I forget. I just

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don't think it's really as topical as people say, and

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it's really brilliantly made, I think. But it is probably

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my least favorite movie of his. But anyway, the other

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movies that like you so Hamnet I saw.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at the list of ten Best Picture nominees.

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I saw two of them. One is f One, which

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was clearly chosen just because they know that people think

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they only choose movies that nobody has watched. And I

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loved F One. I thought it was great. And then

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the other one was Hamnett, which you might remember I

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loathed so much. And I believe I said on the

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show that Chick's gonna win the Best Actress award at

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the Oscars, and I was right. She did.

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Speaker 1: Now, setting aside the content of the movie, she seems

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like a pretty good actress. Do you think she was

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the work? No?

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Speaker 2: Okay, no, no no. I mean, you know everything annoying

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about actors and how they overdo everything, that was her.

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I mean, I don't know how much of this was

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the part as written and how much was her. But

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actually I think this was her thing. She really got

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into the drama of this thing. And the part that

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just lost me forever is when she's married to William

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shakespea beer but doesn't know how plays work and sees

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the performance of Hamlet and loses her mind over it,

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and I'm like, I just I find that to be embarrassing.

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And she gave a really nice speech about the beauty

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of being a mother and a wife at the Oscars,

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and I like that, but I feel like most I

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don't know. I just thought it was way overdone, and

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I knew she was chewing at that to get an Oscar,

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and boy did that work out for her.

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Speaker 1: You know when you get older and you feel well,

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I know, I know this, you feel out of touch

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with kind of popular culture in a way because you like,

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one of my kids mentioned a singer I'd never heard of.

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They're like, this person has a million hits, how could

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you not have heard of them? But I only so

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I saw f one as well. The only other movie

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Speaker 2: Which, yeah, I feel like, having seen The Uncut Diamonds

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out and my ability to see a frenetic, chaotic, you know,

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cocaine up kind of movie. I'm done. I don't need

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to see anymore.

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Speaker 1: I had to. I had to stop watching on cut Gems.

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It was too much. Yeah, I was just making me.

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It was just making me nervous, exactly. I never heard

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of so there are movies on here. I've literally never

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heard of Train Dreams. Never heard of it, sentimental value.

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Speaker 2: Never heard of Train Dreams. I didn't even know.

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Speaker 1: It existed, sentimental value of it. Begot sere agent that

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I heard of because it has Emma Stone and stuff.

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Speaker 2: But I've heard of Emma Stone, but I've never heard

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of Pegon yet. I'd heard of Sinners. I guess I

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now understand why people were talking about Frankenstein a bit,

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but I didn't know it was a movie that was

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out in theaters.

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Speaker 1: Let me give you a nineteen seventy five's list when

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people made good movies that were had kiatist equality but

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were also had mainstream you know, Paul Want to Flow

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Over the Cuckoo's Ness won Best Picture. People still watch

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that movie. Barry Linden is a Kubrick movie. I don't

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know that people watch it. It's fantastic Dog Day Afternoon.

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People still watch that movie. Jaws basically ushered in the

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big blockbuster movie, and Nashville by Altman, which I also

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think is a classic. The next year seventy six Rocky

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All the President's Men, Bound for Glory. I don't know

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that movie Network, which is good Taxi driver? You know?

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Next year Annie Hall, The Goodbye Girl, Julia Star Wars,

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Speaker 2: Movies that, whatever your age was at that time, everyone

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kind of knew and they were part of the popular

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consciousness for sure.

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Speaker 1: The next year Deer Hunter, Coming Home, Heaven Can Wait,

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Midnight Express like just movies that everyone shared. Yeah, in

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the common culture. They all were artists, had our high

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artistic merit, but also had an appeal to a normal person.

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Next year Kramer versus Kramer, all that Jazz Apocalypse now

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Breaking Away. There's something wrong in Hollywood right now where

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they can only make and not not always, but for

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the most part, they'll make slop or something that's so

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artsy that people can't don't really want to see it,

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Like nineteen nin I'm just picking years, nineteen ninety five

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Braveheart Won Apollo thirteen, Babe Sense, and sensibility. The next year,

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English patient Fargo Jerry McGuire, like, people still watch these movies.

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I think, do you think anyone's remember a Parasite won

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everything a few years ago?

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Speaker 2: That Korean Okay, this is another thing I wanted to

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mention because I think someone won for K Pop demon Hunters.

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She won some award. I don't know what it was.

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Speaker 1: It was like it is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because you know K Pop demon Hunters out there.

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I know where you successful.

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Speaker 1: I know what k pop is. I don't know what

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that is. Was it a movie?

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Speaker 2: It was a movie. And this woman, hold on, she

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won something and she gets up there and she's like,

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in history, like Asians or Korean's I don't know, are

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are able to be recognized here. What was her speech?

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Animated Film. And she's like, you know, it's just so

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important that we these things to be represented. And I'm like, okay, a,

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I don't even know on what standard she's talking. We're

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talking animation. There's certainly been plenty of Asian representation in

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leading roles in animation, and then Parasite won Best Picture

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a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but how about like two years ago, Everything everywhere,

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all at once won and Michelle Yao starred in that movie,

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like she was the star of that movie.

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Speaker 2: Like, grievance culture's lame anyway, but when you have forgotten

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what happened last year in order to enable your grievance culture,

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it's even more annoying.

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Speaker 1: I guess in twenty twenty three, Appenheimer one and that

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kind of combines art and reach. I don't really know

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how well that movie did. It probably did, Okay, I

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don't even know.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I don't think like you could pick Oscars that

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were deserving or good winners or whatnot. The problem isn't

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really with the Oscars. It's with Hollywood. Hollywood has failed

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to capture the imagination for many years now. It'll occasionally

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get something in there in a given year, couple things,

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but it is it is true. It's not just us

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being like, oh, in our day, there were good movies.

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I mean in many people's days, there were really good movies,

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you know, going back generations where people enjoyed that experience

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of going to a theater having a shared cultural moment. Now,

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not all of it is Hollywood's fault. Some of it

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is just technology and enabling people to watch movies at home,

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you know, all that kind of stuff. But it's also

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true that Hollywood has severely declined in its ability to

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capture the imagination. Sadly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Martin SCORSESEI a few years ago said that those

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think he's right about that. But like in twenty twenty one,

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a movie named Codo one, I don't even know what

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that is. Last year, or a movie named Anora one,

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I don't know what that is. I feel like I'm

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online a lot and I should know what the best

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picture movie is. I rarely ever have the inclination to

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go see a film in the theater anymore. Last movie

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I saw was the third Raiders of the Lost Arc,

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which was re released on Father's Day, like last year,

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I think that's what I go to anyway. Make better movies, please,

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next topic, let's talk about Paul Erlick, who died this

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week at ninety three. I don't know how famous he

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was or known he was by younger people, but he was.

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He was maybe the most famous scientists in American culture

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for a long time. I'd say, right was Carl Sagan

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like an officially a scientist. I forget what his background was,

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but he was on that level. I couldn't believe this.

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I knew he had been on The Tonight Show, which

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was huge in the seventies, eighties and nineties, once or twice.

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He was on two dozen times. He was on every

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major show, and in those days when there were three networks,

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these things mattered a lot for people who don't know.

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He was the author of the population Bomb, which I

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don't know if it introduced the idea of overpopulation but

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into the American vernacular or whatever, but it definitely played

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a big part of it. He was anti humanist, He

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was a eugenicist, basically a false prophet. He was a

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complete fascist. His books are filled with ideas about compulsory abortion,

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in fertilization, forcing people to take pills, spiking the water like.

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He was absolutely insane. And he is the father of

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modern environmentalism, the doomsday apocalyptic Malfeusian ideas that it company

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in it. He was just a terrible, terrible person. I

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but he deserves it.

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Speaker 2: Well. Yes, he was very popular, He was very influential,

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if he originated the effort to shame people for having

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more than two children, but he definitely popularized that concept.

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He was everywhere growing up in the seventies and eighties,

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and he did a lot to Yeah, he did. One

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of his big goals was to make it so that

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it was culturally unacceptable to have properly sized families and

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so and it worked. I mean, it was definitely something

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that a lot of people accepted in conjunction with their own,

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small families works out as well as people think it

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will think it will in terms of happiness. But yeah,

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bad guy. And he was always wrong in what he

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prediction that we were in the sixth sixth extinction of Earth.

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He had predicted like thirty of them and was never right.

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television without even mentioning how wrong he was for how

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long he was wrong. So, for instance, the opening line

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of the Population Bomb is the battle to feed all

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of humanity is over. He said, oceans would be with

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out life by nineteen seventy nine, the US population would

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create to twenty three million people by nineteen ninety nine,

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and on and on. On the cover of the book,

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the paperback, while you were reading these words, three children

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are dying of starvation, and twenty four more babies are

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being born, so just quickly. In nineteen seventy, thirty seven

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percent of the world was suffering from hunger. In twenty

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twenty four only eight percent did. The world uses seventy

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percent less land to produce the same number of crops

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it did in nineteen seventy. There was a thing called

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the Green Revolution, you know, not the one in Iran,

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but in the sixties, where land use was made more

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efficient and we made more food in this than that,

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And he ignored that. And yet he was constantly being

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put on TV.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember John Holdron, who was

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the Obama siginsar. Just to tell you what his influence was,

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that science are wrote a book, sorry, wrote a book

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with him and his wife, Anne Ulrich, who's also terrible,

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that argued that population control laws, even including laws requiring

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compulsory abortion, can be sustained under the existing constitution. And

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they argued for population control in that way. People don't

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remember because they weren't born yet and I was just

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a little baby, that the whole abortion movement had a

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lot to do with population control as well. It wasn't

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merely a woman's right to choose. There was a lot

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of talk population control, and if you remember, Ruth Vader

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Ginsburg admitted as much. I forget what year it was

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where she said that she remembered.

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Speaker 2: That she combined the racism and the eugenics the es

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eugenics typically is racist.

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Speaker 1: Yes, she said, I wanted to get.

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Speaker 2: Rid of populations we had too many of exactly.

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Speaker 1: I thought that at the time Roe was decided, there

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was a concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations,

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that we don't want to have too many of them,

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Like no one asked her, what who are we talking

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about here? Which populations are we talking about? Anyway, the

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kind of you know, the kind of doomsday, end of

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world predictions that he made became the norm. I mean,

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al Gore said that population bomb was seminal in his

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thinking and that he you know that that Ulrich was

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a prophet and a person and a visionary. And the

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New York Times ran his obituary right, and in his

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obituary in the sub head it says that he was

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the godfather of the modern environment environmental movement, but he

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faced criticism when his predictions proved premature.

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Speaker 2: Mature that is a very interesting word for completely false

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in every way. It's possible to be false.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's the antithesis of reality. What happened. And the

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funny thing is that the premature line, you know that,

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the claim that he merely got the timing wrong is

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goes to the heart of modern environmentalism and the apocalyptic

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nature of what they say. They simply cannot or will

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not accept the human ingenuity and adaptability can outpay scarcity,

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and yeah, that's what it is. And people are interested

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in this. I don't remember the man's name, the author's name,

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but there's a there's a there's a book called The Bet,

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which is about Erlek's bet with Julian Simon. Bet that

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Simon won, uh where he let Earl pick five natural yeah,

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anything he wanted and that was what they experienced shortages

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and would the price go up or down over a

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decade's time And Simon won on all counts, on all

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five and if the bet was still going, he would

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still be winning, like you know whatever years later, almost

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fifty years later, anyway, terrible man, Julian Simon, great man.

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People should read about him if they don't know. So.

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Speaker 2: I do think there's this bigger problem in our culture.

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I don't know if it's like that we've moved away

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from honor, don't have any sense of shame that people

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can be wrong about something and then they just move

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on like there's no issue. We don't quite have that

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luxury as the type of journalist that we are. You know,

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if we get something wrong, we have to say it.

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We have to explain why right, or else people won't

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respect us. And we're not perfect. We get things wrong right.

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But I was thinking about this actually with Cassidy Hutchinson.

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This was the woman who said that Trump tried to

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take over the Beast on January, and she had all

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these stories that nobody else could in any way match,

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and when she testified, so first off, actually there, you know,

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there was enough about her that nobody should have ever

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believed her. And Tristanstice and I did a lot of

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reporting on this, showing that she had dramatically changed her

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story after some weird meetings with Liz Cheney, and when

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she testified, everyone in the corporate media just praised her

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beyond belief. They're like, this changes everything. This woman's amazing.

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Peggy Noonan blurbed her book, her book in which she

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lied about me, by the way, Cassidy Hutchinson and more recently,

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Jack Smith had to testify in front of various congressional

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committees and he's like, asked, why didn't they use this

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explosive testimony as part of their law fair against Trump?

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And he was like, well, even for us, and we

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were willing to do whatever it took to go after Trump.

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Obviously this woman was crazy and we couldn't use her testimony.

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And what happened to all those people who were blurbing

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her book or praising her or saying that you know

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she changed everything. They just moved on, like, Yeah, I'm

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the type of person that's so stupid. I fall for

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Cassidy Hutchinson and you should continue to believe what I

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have to say about the next thing. And it just

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bothers me. Like Paul Ehrlich was wrong about everything. There

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should be accountability for that, but there is none because

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New York Times says, oh, he was just a bit

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premature about his doomsday scenario, instead of being honest and

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saying we were idiots to have ever fallen for it. Right.

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Speaker 1: Oh, yes, there's a shamelessness that goes on these days,

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and it's kind of it's getting worse and worse where

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people just not only there's just when I was starting

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out as a journalist and I had to correct a story,

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it was like a big deal. You were scared to

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do it. It was embarrassing. You had to go in. You

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have to explain to the editor why you may the mistake,

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how it happened, what you were going to do in

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the future to ensure that it didn't happen.

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Speaker 2: Job.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I'm so sorry this happened. So you were

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really nervous about it, and you did your best not

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to have to correct things. There's no there's none of

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that anymore. The people who lied about the Russia Gates

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Russia collusion stuff, they all still are still working. The people.

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What's her name, Natasha, whatever her name is. I see

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her else in.

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Speaker 2: GPS Natasha Fusion, GPS bertrand.

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Speaker 1: She's playing the same scam now with what's going on

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in Iran, where she takes a little snippet of someone

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someone gave her, you know, to put the United States

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in poor light or whatever, and she just passes passes

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it along. So there's none of that. And then, honestly,

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in the once we democratize the medium, we have with

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this going on in the right frankly as well, it's

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like there's no hierarchy. There's no editor to say you can't,

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you shouldn't say this, you don't have proof. And I

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think audiences unfortunately seek out things they want to hear

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and not things that are true. For the most part,

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not everyone, but too many people. I sometimes don't know

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where to turn. I mean, I see a New York Times.

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New York Times for instance, has a huge newsroom and

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they have foreign desks, so you sometimes they are the

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only people can actually bring you some information from certain countries,

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but then you're like, how can I believe anything they

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write when they so brazenly lie about other things. I mean,

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they have the same editor in chief, they have the

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same leadership there. So I don't even know where I'm

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going with this, other than to say that it's a

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bad time for journalism in the United States in general,

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and it has lots to do it to shamelessness, you're

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talking about.

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Speaker 3: We are officially in a market riptide with Iran? Who

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Speaker 2: Speaking of foreign reporting and whatnot, what do you think

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about the current situation with Iran.

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Speaker 1: As far as the reporting goes it just in general whatever.

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Speaker 2: We're just trying to segue to the next topic.

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Speaker 1: Listen. I feel a little bit like there's a lot

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of skepticism about what we're doing from people, which is

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understandable after Iraq and all of that. But there is

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a flip side to this, where in the early two

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thousands the media cheered on the Iraq War in the

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Afghan War and were fooled a lot of times by

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the government, and now it feels like the opposite. It

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feels like there's just a negativity and a weird way

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to frame everything as a loss when I think the

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the the whole operation has been an incredible success. As

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far as any kind of context of war goes, it's

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been incredible. Nothing's perfect, there's going to there are going

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to be things that are hard to overcome, but in general,

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it's been good. And yet if when I read CNN

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or other mainstream or establishment media outlets, you think we

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were losing this war, you think we're in Vietnam, We're

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literally not even we're not done with the third week

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of this thing.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is kind of what I was thinking about

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when you were talking about media coverage of foreign reporters

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or foreign foreign issues that are in the New York Times.

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When the when Russia invaded Ukraine and that war began

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and to some extent like to the current moment, Hey,

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it just blows me away that nobody talks about that

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war which is ongoing and we got like so little

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coverage of it that shows the hardship of war. Like

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when Israel went to war with Hamas or Hummas, I

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guess you'd say, went to war with Israel, we got

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nothing but pictures of the hardship. But nobody gets pictures

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of the Ukrainian Russian thing or not nobody, but it's

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just less than there should be. But the media would

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say over and over again that Russia was like within

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hours of defeat, days of defeat, Ukraine was doing just

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amazingly well, and it didn't seem to match with the

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reality on the ground of how bad this war was

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and would get. And then similarly, on the Iran situation,

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they're trying to say the war isn't going well for

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the US when clearly, you know, on just like a

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day to day measure, we're obliterating them. And they're not

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being honest about that in any way. They because they

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are leading with the criticism of the war, and it

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is an unpopular war. I mean's been one of the

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most unpopular. People keep on being like, oh, Maga loves

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this war. They've never loved anything so much as they

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love this war, which obscures that this is probably the

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least popular war we've ever been in in terms of

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the general population, which also matters politically. But the media

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are just I think, lying about how the US is,

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how the saying that the US is not achieving its

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objectives when by most measures it is.

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Speaker 1: It is the least popular war among the general population.

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I think because of Trump. Frankly, that's maybe not I

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would challenge anyone to give me a war that was

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more successful than this one in its first three weeks.

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I mean, I challenge them to ask them which which

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conflict have we been in.

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Speaker 2: The Iraq war was pretty successful the first year.

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Speaker 1: It was, but nothing like this. I mean, it took

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us forever to find Sadam husaying, how I forget how

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long we have eliminated entire tiers of Iranian leadership. We

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are down to like fourth tier. You cannot the institutional knowledge.

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Speaker 2: Afghanistan was pretty successful in the first couple of days late.

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Speaker 1: This country's ballistic missiles, this country had a massive army.

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I just I don't think there's been anything as successful

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militarily as this one. Whether the regime falls apart is

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a different question. Whether how things work out it's a

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different question. There's strategic goals, but even those goals in

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many ways have been met. But think back.

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Speaker 2: To Fodoh last June, that was supposedly really successful, that

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supposedly destroyed their nuclear program for a decade, and then

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it turned out it didn't even last six months or whatever.

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Speaker 1: Listen, it's a genuine debate to have whether we should

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go in or not and deal with Iran now or not.

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I think it was the right thing to do. But

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the success of the military end of this thing, I

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just don't even understand how anyone could believe that we're

483
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not winning by any historical standard.

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Speaker 2: So what is the thing you always say about how

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you supported the Iraq War? The thing you always emphasize,

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I don't know everybody. Everybody supported the Iraq War at

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the time that it was launched. So this war is

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not more popular than the Iraq War, not by far actually,

489
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And then that war came to be seen as a

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grievous mistake on the part of the United States. So

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I kind of don't like the polling approach anyway. Plus,

492
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it seems like an information ap almost like nobody's talking

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about the polling, showing that this is uniquely unpopular in

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the history of American wars. They just keep saying there's

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no debate in MAGA. Everyone in MAGA loves this war.

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There's no descent among MAGA. I don't even know what

497
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MAGA means exactly if it, I don't know how. I

498
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don't have a ton of trust in polls, first off,

499
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definitely don't have trust in people to accurately calculate who

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is or who is not MAGA. And it just seems

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weird to me that we're not talking in a broader

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way about it, given that in order for a war

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to be successfully prosecuted, you have to have kind of

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broad support.

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't you say, well, I believe people talk about the

506
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MAGA polling specifically is because there's articles, there are articles

507
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all over the place about a civil war within MAGA. Again,

508
00:29:38,839 --> 00:29:40,559
what is that? I don't know. I would say people

509
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who voted for Donald you know who like Donald Trump

510
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and voted for him supposedly there's this great split going

511
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on in this great debate, when that's really not true.

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Most people who voted for Donald Trump support this war

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according to polls. Maybe Poles are wrong. I don't know.

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But if you don't believe that, then you can't believe

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that it's the most, you know, the least pop war either.

516
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I mean, either we believe some polling or we don't.

517
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I think probably generally they get it right. It is

518
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probably not that popular.

519
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Speaker 2: Yes, I think it can be over I think polling

520
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:14,319
can be over interpreted and over manufactured. I do, I mean,

521
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I do have general distrust of polling based on who's

522
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doing it, what the questions are. But I don't dispute

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that the vast majority of Donald Trump supporters support Donald Trump.

524
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Like it's almost circular logic, like do you support Donald Trump? Yes?

525
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Do you support him here?

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Speaker 1: Yes? Just to give a quick think, If I ask someone,

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do you support Donald Trump's war against the Iranian people?

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Or however they ask it, right, I'll say if I'm

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a person, just an average person doesn't pay attention to

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everything that's going on, I might say no. If I say,

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do you support the United States stopping the Iranian nuclear

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and ballistic program of the terror State of Iran. Then

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I'm going to be for it.

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Speaker 2: So that's always that's my point about that. How they

535
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ask the questions is like important, and people don't pay

536
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enough attention to that when they're analyzing polls, which already

537
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have their weaknesses.

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Speaker 1: And I will say, I we know Iran had a

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new program. I mean, it's a completely different story. They

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built reactors and facilities three hundred feet under granite mountains,

541
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and we know what they were doing. Now where they

542
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,799
were in that process is definitely off for debate, but

543
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we know it was happening, and so it's a different

544
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,480
I think, Yeah, it's a different situation. Yeah, back to

545
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the issue one quick thing. You're right, I don't care

546
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if I'm the only person in the whole entire country

547
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,279
thinks it's good war. I'm going to say it's a

548
00:31:43,279 --> 00:31:45,880
good war. We're just talking about the politics of it

549
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right here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, okay, So back to this idea that there's

551
00:31:51,319 --> 00:31:56,839
no dissent among Trump voters about this war. First off,

552
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I point out that the independent vote, which was a

553
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big part of the Trump vote, is extremely against the war.

554
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,079
But and you know, for the Republicans. They need a

555
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coalition that includes not just people who by definition will

556
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vote Republican no matter what, but also people who are

557
00:32:13,319 --> 00:32:15,480
more flexible in their voting. So you have to care

558
00:32:15,599 --> 00:32:17,920
a little about to care a lot about it, actually.

559
00:32:18,519 --> 00:32:24,880
But there's also the issue of enthusiasm among the average Republican.

560
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I don't know what average Republican means, but how about

561
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enthusiasm among all the different groups of Republicans that you

562
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,599
need to turn out for polling for elections. And I've

563
00:32:35,599 --> 00:32:41,400
seen this tweet from Jeremy carl who just had his

564
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nomination killed by the quote unquote Republican Senator from Utah Curtis,

565
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,759
But he's like, my position on Iran. On Iran is

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I want whatever to happen there that enables the deportation

567
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of all the illegal aliens here. It was just a

568
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reminder that as much as people support Trump in his

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efforts here with Iran, they really really care about their

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own country and the you know, the future success of

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their own country. They understand that part of that is

572
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related to Iran having nuclear or ballistic capabilities, but they

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also know that there are a lot of problems here

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that are very hard to prosecute when you're also prosecuting

575
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a war.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Jeremy Carl's false choice doesn't really make any

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sense because the idea.

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Speaker 2: That he didn't make a false it is a false choice.

579
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He didn't make a choice at all. He's like, basically

580
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,599
like saying, I don't really care what happens there so

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long as it doesn't affect what needs to happen here.

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Speaker 1: That's not what it sounds like to me. To me,

583
00:33:52,119 --> 00:33:56,279
it sounds like he's saying, you're ignoring what's happening here

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because you're doing that.

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Speaker 2: You're it sounds like you're being different if they're But.

586
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Speaker 1: I'm just saying I think I hear this false choice

587
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,599
all the time where you can't do two things at once.

588
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,760
The United that we talked about the constitutionality of this.

589
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But the president's main job actually is to is one

590
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of his main jobs is foreign policy.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, so I want to point out I want

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to point out being invaded by hordes of illegal aliens

593
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is a foreign policy issue too. I was talking to

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someone who is at the State Department after the Venezuela operation,

595
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and he was saying, like he's all for that. It's

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00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,679
good and the amount of resources that had to be

597
00:34:39,599 --> 00:34:42,519
transferred to dealing with that took them away from some

598
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issues domestically that they were hoping to have greater success with.

599
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,960
I mean, time and time and human resources are limited

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as well, and so there's no need to there's no

601
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,719
need to not do all the things. But it can

602
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,840
be hard to do all the things when you are

603
00:34:58,159 --> 00:35:00,000
being pulled in twenty eight different directions.

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Speaker 1: Your initial contention was that you need widespread support to

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make things happen. Essentially, not everyone, but you need a

606
00:35:12,519 --> 00:35:15,039
majority of people, let's say, to back you to have

607
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effective policy. In the end, it's not going to work.

608
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Otherwise you're saying the Iran war is unpopular. But the

609
00:35:21,079 --> 00:35:23,960
least popular thing that Trump has done are tariffs. But

610
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yet you would not say Donald Trump stopped doing tariffs

611
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because they're incredibly unpopular with independence. Incredibly, they're not even

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popular with his own voters. I mean, they're more popular

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00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,960
there than elsewhere or even the ice rates. By the way,

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when you look at polling, it became incredibly unpopular after

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what happened in Minnesota, even though I think it was

616
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the right thing to do. So it seems to me

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that a lot of the you know these I don't

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know what that's a great example.

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Speaker 2: Actually, Okay, so deporting illegal aliens is a majority supported

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operation in the US. You note the media coverage was

621
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such that it was creating some issues for the Trump administration.

622
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And so what did they do? They stopped it. They

623
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,079
were like, you know what, Trump was like, this is

624
00:36:13,119 --> 00:36:15,119
going poorly, so we'll just shut it down. We're not

625
00:36:15,159 --> 00:36:18,480
going to fight Antifa in Minnesota. We're not gonna We're

626
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,800
not going to dismantle the Antifa networks that are killing

627
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,280
MAGA voters and leaders. We're just going to back out

628
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,960
and let Tim Waltz win and Jacob Fry win and

629
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,360
we'll we'll just back down. But then when the polling

630
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shows that the Iran war is very unpopular, what is

631
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,480
Trump say? I don't care about polling. And I think

632
00:36:38,519 --> 00:36:41,920
people do appreciate that. Sometimes he doesn't care about polling,

633
00:36:42,639 --> 00:36:46,679
but they would appreciate that just as much in domestic

634
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,199
policy goals as with his foreign policy goals. And if

635
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,400
he doesn't have it just as much for his domestic

636
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,239
policy goals as his foreign policy goals, it opens him

637
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,000
up to criticism that he cares more about the war

638
00:36:59,039 --> 00:37:02,960
in Iran than he cares about deporting criminal illegal aliens,

639
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,760
which might not be might not be a big issue

640
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,679
for you, but it is a big issue for some

641
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,000
MAGA voters. And so even if they're going to say, yeah,

642
00:37:11,039 --> 00:37:15,480
I support Trump in his war, they also might feel

643
00:37:15,559 --> 00:37:18,519
demoralized when it comes to like showing up to vote

644
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:23,719
in midterm elections the UH.

645
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Speaker 1: But the administration has not stopped deporting. They've just re

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re focused where they're doing it. They have continued to

647
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:35,000
build barriers on the southern border. They have not abandoned it.

648
00:37:35,039 --> 00:37:39,519
They just have abandoned a place where they engaged in

649
00:37:39,559 --> 00:37:41,880
it in a way that turned off Americans. But you

650
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,679
keep ignoring the fact that protectionism is one of the

651
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,800
lead is less popular than anything.

652
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Speaker 2: On that point. I actually do think it matters to

653
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,280
some extent what the people like or don't like. I

654
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,119
think you should be responsive to that. I don't mean

655
00:37:56,119 --> 00:37:58,599
that you be a slave to it, but you should

656
00:37:58,639 --> 00:38:03,159
be responsive if you need to do war with Iran,

657
00:38:03,519 --> 00:38:05,880
even though eighty percent of the country opposes it. I'm

658
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,039
not saying that's an accurate number, but you need to

659
00:38:08,039 --> 00:38:10,679
do it because they're gonna blow you to smithereens. You

660
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,280
have to ignore the public perception there, but that doesn't

661
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,599
mean that you ignore like if people are opposed to

662
00:38:16,639 --> 00:38:18,719
tariffs and you need them to kind of buy into

663
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,840
it in order to succeed over the long term, that's

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an issue. And I, you know, I don't hate the

665
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views of the people like so many people seem to do,

666
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like they matter and you need people to buy into

667
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:39,000
your political strategy, whether that's domestic or foreign. You don't

668
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,039
need it like completely, but you need to have it

669
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be part of the part of the operation.

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Speaker 1: I just noticed a lot of folks who were bet

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you know, who wouldn't want to engage Iran no matter

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what was going on, if it was imminent, if it wasn't,

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00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:56,960
if they're getting nukes or whatever, and are very big

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on protectionism, use one argument for one and other, and

675
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,599
then ignore that argument when it comes to the problems

676
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with their other positions.

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Speaker 2: What did you think of the resignation of the National

678
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:17,280
counter Terrorism Director whatever his name was, John was Joken, Yes.

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Speaker 1: The US counter Terrorism Director, I think it was who

680
00:39:21,639 --> 00:39:24,039
was mad that we're killing too many terrorists, so weird

681
00:39:24,079 --> 00:39:28,960
positioned to take his letter I thought was just it's

682
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:30,920
hard for me to understand how people like this get

683
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,679
into the administration. Let's just say his letter wasn't insane,

684
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and he said a lot of insane things in it,

685
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and these are his real beliefs. Shouldn't Donald Trump, I

686
00:39:40,639 --> 00:39:42,440
mean you've said it before. Shouldn't he have people who

687
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,840
want to help him with his mission? I mean since

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nineteen eighty eight or eighty seven, Donald Trump has been

689
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saying that the Iranians can't have nukes, that the Iranians

690
00:39:51,559 --> 00:39:53,800
need to be punished. And yet you have people in

691
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,519
there who are not on board, like this guy who

692
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a decorated soldier. You know, everyone's like, how dare you

693
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,320
speak about this man? We're not a fascist state. I

694
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,719
get to the civilians run the military, and I get

695
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,719
to I get to be critical of whoever. I feel

696
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like the point is that he is not a serious

697
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,199
person if he actually believes the stuff in this letter.

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He has taken the exact opposite position on virtually everything

699
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,400
he said in that letter. When he was running for Congress,

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he literally sent a Apak has a letter from him

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where he says that Israeli intelligence saved his life and

702
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has helped the United States et cetera, et cetera. He

703
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,880
was pro Iran war on numerous occasions, and now he

704
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sounds like, you know, one of these Israel obsessed conspiracists

705
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,000
like Tucker Carlson or whatever. I mean. I just and

706
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he's going to appear on Tucker Carlson show. He's gonna

707
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appear on in Candas Owens this show. I don't know.

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I just don't understand how people like this get into

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the administration.

710
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Speaker 2: I guess so this might be pedantic of me. But

711
00:40:57,599 --> 00:41:02,480
the number one thing I cannot stand or Okay, this

712
00:41:02,559 --> 00:41:04,760
is not the most important thing about it, perhaps, but

713
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:09,440
if you work at the pleasure of the president or

714
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:13,519
someone else like that, and there is a problem where

715
00:41:13,599 --> 00:41:17,079
you don't feel you can in good conscience continue to

716
00:41:17,079 --> 00:41:21,199
do your duty, I do think you should resign rather

717
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:25,119
than stay on. I think it's frequent, or I think

718
00:41:25,159 --> 00:41:29,119
generally speaking, you should resign rather than stay on. Unless

719
00:41:29,119 --> 00:41:32,440
there is some really good reason why you would think

720
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:36,400
you could ethically justify undermining the president or the leader

721
00:41:37,639 --> 00:41:41,000
basically lying to them about your fidelity to them, you

722
00:41:41,039 --> 00:41:44,519
should resign. But I also think you should resign quietly.

723
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,639
I don't know if that makes sense, but like you

724
00:41:50,079 --> 00:41:53,320
should resign, But then you shouldn't make it all about you.

725
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:57,360
You should just resign, say as little as possible, and maybe,

726
00:41:57,519 --> 00:42:02,199
like at some later date, do something well. And how

727
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:06,079
Washington DC people make themselves the center of everything.

728
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:10,119
Speaker 1: I completely completely agree with that, But the problem here

729
00:42:10,199 --> 00:42:13,480
isn't just that. And I actually would respect someone who said, listen,

730
00:42:13,559 --> 00:42:15,360
I don't think this is the right mission. I'm not

731
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,719
the man to help you with this, to see this through.

732
00:42:19,599 --> 00:42:22,239
But he lied about his positions. He had the opposite

733
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:26,039
positions when he needed wanted that job. He's on record

734
00:42:26,119 --> 00:42:29,960
left and right talking about Iran as a terror state.

735
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 2: But yet you can hold on though, you can have

736
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,559
a variety of opinions about how to counter Iran. And

737
00:42:35,599 --> 00:42:37,920
it seems like his problem isn't with you know, it's

738
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,119
not like he loves Iran. He just doesn't agree with

739
00:42:40,159 --> 00:42:44,320
the particular approach we're taking right now. You can oppose

740
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,280
Iran and not want to get involved in, prinstance, a

741
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,920
land war. You yourself don't want to get involved in

742
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,599
a land war with Iran, right or are you now

743
00:42:53,639 --> 00:42:54,760
at that level that you're on?

744
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,199
Speaker 1: I mean, if we have to drop special forces to

745
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,400
take something or whatever like that. I'm fine with boots

746
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:00,480
on the ground.

747
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 2: At least understand the theory, like you can be opposed

748
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,239
to that regime without thinking that it's wise or prudent

749
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:07,960
to get involved in what.

750
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: I don't have all his quotes in front of me,

751
00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:12,679
but he was a I know you don't like the word.

752
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,920
He was literally a hawk on this. It wasn't just

753
00:43:16,079 --> 00:43:20,599
some kind of strategic difference setting that aside. I forget

754
00:43:20,639 --> 00:43:23,760
was going to say, it reminds me of anonymous or

755
00:43:24,079 --> 00:43:25,199
got what that guy's name was.

756
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:29,199
Speaker 2: Well, no, it's more respectable than anonymous because it's not anonymous,

757
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:30,760
you know what I mean. At least he put his

758
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:32,840
name to it so he can be held accountable for

759
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,039
what he said. I don't think it's that bad. I

760
00:43:36,079 --> 00:43:39,239
just don't like it when there's a big production like this.

761
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:44,559
But having said all that, if he feels this way,

762
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,159
it's good for him to leave and he can explain

763
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,119
I guess more fully elsewhere.

764
00:43:49,559 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I thought you mentioned this earlier, but to me,

765
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,960
but I thought that the Press Secretary had a good,

766
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:01,920
generally good reaction to this. Though her notion that it

767
00:44:02,159 --> 00:44:03,840
just because Donald Trump want a lot of votes, he

768
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:05,800
gets to do whatever he wants with how Congress is

769
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:06,559
offensive to me.

770
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 2: I think to speak of Caroline Levitt's response to him,

771
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,599
which was very long, that I think this might be

772
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:20,079
a way to handle this, so to tie it together

773
00:44:20,119 --> 00:44:23,719
with the discussion about you know, trump supporters support Trump,

774
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,960
but the other people don't. And she says there are

775
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,440
many false claims in this letter, but let me address

776
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:35,679
one specifically, Colon that Iran posed no imminent threat to

777
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:40,440
our nation. This is the same false claim that Democrats

778
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,320
and some in the liberal media have been repeating over

779
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:48,639
and over as President Trump has clearly and explicitly stated

780
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:54,239
he had strong and compelling evidence that Iran was going

781
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:59,199
to attack the United States. First, this evidence was compiled

782
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:04,440
from many any sources and factors. So I think it

783
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:08,719
would be good to know where that information came from

784
00:45:09,119 --> 00:45:12,599
and what that information is, insofar as it can be

785
00:45:12,599 --> 00:45:15,239
shared with the American people, I think that would do

786
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,880
a lot to you know, if it's strong and compelling,

787
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,320
that would be good for people who are to be

788
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:27,760
good to build support, I think, and to know the

789
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,039
quality of the evidence. And yes, a lot of this

790
00:45:30,199 --> 00:45:34,760
is related to Iraq war. You know, problems that we're

791
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:38,840
still dealing with. But there was strong and compelling evidence

792
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:43,480
supposedly in the Iraq War that Saddam Hussein had weapons

793
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,159
of mass destruction that he was about to deploy, and

794
00:45:46,199 --> 00:45:49,079
then it turned out that it wasn't strong or compelling evidence.

795
00:45:49,679 --> 00:45:53,079
And so you can't just take people's word for their

796
00:45:53,119 --> 00:45:56,400
being strong and compelling evidence. You need to somewhat analyze it. Now,

797
00:45:56,599 --> 00:45:59,480
maybe you can't, maybe you can't share it for reasons

798
00:45:59,519 --> 00:46:02,880
that deal with the safety of the mission. But I

799
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:07,199
think it's something that Trump administration should be thinking about communicating.

800
00:46:07,679 --> 00:46:11,239
You know, what was this information? How how how high

801
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,719
quality is it? How do we know how high quality is?

802
00:46:14,039 --> 00:46:14,119
Speaker 1: Like?

803
00:46:14,199 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 2: The weapons of mass destruction thing? If we could just

804
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:23,599
recall came from German intelligence and they had a source

805
00:46:23,679 --> 00:46:28,000
called Curveball. That his name, just make that it's Curveball, right,

806
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:32,159
I think so Curveball was an a member of an

807
00:46:32,159 --> 00:46:37,320
Iraqi family that opposed the Saddam Hussein regime and thought

808
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:42,079
that they might be better able to govern a rock

809
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:46,039
and he claimed that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction,

810
00:46:46,199 --> 00:46:48,599
and so Germany told the US about it. We never

811
00:46:48,679 --> 00:46:54,119
interviewed the guy ourselves. We just took what Germany said,

812
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,519
and I think maybe there was some pushback, like there's

813
00:46:57,559 --> 00:47:00,159
no evidence of this, and he said, oh, he's got

814
00:47:00,199 --> 00:47:03,320
like in mobile vans and they're moving it around the country.

815
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,119
So that's why you never find it when you're doing inspections.

816
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,159
That was also not true, and yet it was the

817
00:47:09,199 --> 00:47:12,559
pretext for this massive war in the Middle East that

818
00:47:12,679 --> 00:47:17,440
ended up being like a big thing. So why not

819
00:47:17,599 --> 00:47:20,519
just share the intel? You know, people are like glad

820
00:47:20,559 --> 00:47:23,519
that Trump isn't like George W. Bush and how he

821
00:47:23,599 --> 00:47:27,159
prosecuted the war, including going to the UN and putting

822
00:47:27,159 --> 00:47:29,599
together a coalition of the willing and laying out the

823
00:47:29,639 --> 00:47:32,840
case for months prior. But there could be like a

824
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:38,360
happy medium of giving some indication you know, of this.

825
00:47:40,079 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 1: The imminent threat thing bothers me in the use of

826
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:48,480
it as the impetus for war, or not even the pretext,

827
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,079
but the but the reason for war bothers me because

828
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,519
I don't know, maybe it's you're right, maybe it's compelling,

829
00:47:54,599 --> 00:47:56,360
or maybe she's right. Maybe it's compelling and all that,

830
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:01,960
maybe it's not. We know that the Iranian regime was

831
00:48:02,559 --> 00:48:06,320
trying to get nukes. They've admitted it. We know they

832
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,599
had there was going to be a time where they

833
00:48:09,599 --> 00:48:12,199
had so many ballistic missiles. And you see they did

834
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,239
some damage here, but imagine what they would do with

835
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:20,000
tons more. They were about to get supersonic missiles from China.

836
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,199
The argument that the administration should be making is that

837
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,199
if we didn't act now or soon, they were going

838
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:28,679
to get nukes. Most people agree they shouldn't have nukes.

839
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:33,320
Even on the you know, far right, people will say

840
00:48:33,599 --> 00:48:35,599
at least claim they don't want Iran to have nukes

841
00:48:35,599 --> 00:48:37,320
and if we didn't act now, it was going to

842
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,480
cost many more American lives. That should be the argument

843
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:42,599
in my In my view, I think the American people

844
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,760
will understand that the imminent threat thing imminent can mean

845
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:50,159
a million things. And I don't understand why or when

846
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,880
we came up with this idea that we have to

847
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,119
be minutes away from being attacked before we can ever

848
00:48:55,199 --> 00:48:59,880
move against anyone who is trying to hurt us. We

849
00:49:00,599 --> 00:49:03,199
have tons of evidence. This is nothing like Iraq. By

850
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:08,480
the way, everyone keeps talking about Iraq and how WMD's

851
00:49:08,519 --> 00:49:10,159
didn't exist in this and that, But you know what,

852
00:49:10,199 --> 00:49:12,639
the Iraqis did use chemical weapons in the past. It

853
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:16,559
wasn't as outlandish as everyone makes it out to be today.

854
00:49:17,159 --> 00:49:20,199
You know, there was evidence that they had used against

855
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:24,800
their own people and the Iranians in the war against Iran. Yes,

856
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,960
we were wrong, but and I think, you know, the

857
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,519
democracy building stuff was crazy, but it wasn't as out

858
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,559
landish as everyone makes it out to be.

859
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 2: Whether or not it was outlandish or not to believe that,

860
00:49:39,119 --> 00:49:43,559
it is also true that this sourcing and evidence in

861
00:49:43,639 --> 00:49:48,000
support of it was extremely weak, and it was presented

862
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:49,360
as being much better than it was.

863
00:49:50,119 --> 00:49:53,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would also say this, people don't like to

864
00:49:53,079 --> 00:49:55,159
hear it. But after nine to eleven, and you had

865
00:49:55,199 --> 00:49:58,119
to be there, I guess there was a feeling amongst

866
00:49:58,159 --> 00:50:00,159
Americans that someone had to pay a price. And it

867
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,000
wasn't going to be some tribe in Afghanistan, you know

868
00:50:03,039 --> 00:50:04,639
what I mean. Someone had to pay.

869
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,320
Speaker 2: Yes, Steve Hays wrote the war or wrote the book

870
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,840
about how Saddam Hussein was working with al Qayeda, which

871
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,840
was not true at all. Speaking of people who never

872
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,400
have to you know, who get to like continue to

873
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,480
be experts even after.

874
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,599
Speaker 1: You who worked with al Qaeda. Though Iran worked with

875
00:50:20,639 --> 00:50:24,719
al Qaeda, Iran not only had al Qaeda members within

876
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,960
their country, giving them safe haven. They used Iran as

877
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:32,400
a way through to other areas and nations around the world,

878
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:34,679
and they never had to pay a price for that,

879
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:38,679
never once, you know, I mean, I'm not saying we

880
00:50:38,679 --> 00:50:41,639
should go to war over that right now. They killed

881
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:47,079
probably around over six hundred American soldiers maimed thousands. I

882
00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:48,920
know we shouldn't have been in Iraq, but that doesn't

883
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,079
mean you get to hurt Americans. And they've been doing

884
00:50:51,159 --> 00:50:54,559
similar things for forty seven years. We never forget about that,

885
00:50:56,199 --> 00:50:59,159
and Donald Trump had enough finally. So I don't have

886
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:01,760
popular it's to be, but I do think it's successful.

887
00:51:04,679 --> 00:51:06,639
All right. If you want to talk about culture or

888
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,559
do you do you're ready? Do you have anything?

889
00:51:10,519 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 2: Uh?

890
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 3: Not?

891
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 2: Really. I have a thing in my family where we

892
00:51:15,159 --> 00:51:18,639
get together to celebrate the twenty first birthdays of the

893
00:51:19,039 --> 00:51:22,239
you know, of whoever's turning twenty one. And it's a

894
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:26,199
huge thing. It's like the person turning twenty one their

895
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:29,840
parents and siblings and cousins, their grandparents and siblings and cousins.

896
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:31,599
Like it's just a big thing. And you get to

897
00:51:31,639 --> 00:51:36,960
pick where you are, you get to pick where you

898
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:42,599
go Okay, So we all went to Vegas and it

899
00:51:42,679 --> 00:51:46,440
was fun. I'm not really a Vegas person. I don't gamble,

900
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,480
I don't go to shows like those kinds of shows,

901
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:56,920
and not into like heavy drinking, yeah, betting, poke or whatever.

902
00:51:57,519 --> 00:52:00,280
But it's fun to be with family and so we

903
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,679
had a great time. We went to the Mob Museum.

904
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,119
I did my first ever zoom line, which is like

905
00:52:06,159 --> 00:52:09,480
a zip line but you're laying flat. I went on

906
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,159
the Link which is this huge ferris wheel, which I

907
00:52:12,199 --> 00:52:17,159
would highly recommend. The half Happy Hour get you go

908
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:19,159
around in a half hour, which is all you need,

909
00:52:20,039 --> 00:52:21,719
and they have like a bartender in there and you

910
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:23,599
can drink while you go around the ferris wheel. We

911
00:52:23,639 --> 00:52:25,480
had a lot of fun. It was our group plus

912
00:52:25,519 --> 00:52:30,920
a couple other couples because it's like a massive, massive

913
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:34,320
chamber that like forty people can fit in. And then

914
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:39,320
my cousin got my dad's cousin got married at a chapel.

915
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,119
That was extremely exciting.

916
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:42,800
Speaker 1: So just.

917
00:52:46,079 --> 00:52:49,199
Speaker 2: Lots to do there. I should say too, she's actually

918
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:57,079
getting married, like having a formal religious blessing, but this

919
00:52:57,199 --> 00:52:58,960
was kind of like a fun thing they did just

920
00:52:59,000 --> 00:52:59,719
while we were there.

921
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:06,199
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about something before your culture.

922
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 2: Your cultural loves it. Okay, go on.

923
00:53:08,639 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 1: Sorry, So before this year, right, like, I had some

924
00:53:13,679 --> 00:53:18,039
vague understanding that something existed called the World Baseball Classic,

925
00:53:18,559 --> 00:53:21,159
Like it is a thing I have ever watched or

926
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:24,039
cared about. I just assume like third rate players were

927
00:53:24,039 --> 00:53:26,480
in it in like country, other countries that we didn't

928
00:53:26,519 --> 00:53:31,519
care about. We already have a quote World Series that's

929
00:53:31,519 --> 00:53:34,559
the only one that matters to me. But yet this

930
00:53:34,639 --> 00:53:38,000
World Baseball Classic happened the other day and everyone's excited

931
00:53:38,039 --> 00:53:40,239
about it and pretending like it's always been something we

932
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:44,039
cared about. And US was playing and Venezuela beat the

933
00:53:44,159 --> 00:53:47,679
United States in a single game, I think, which is ridiculous.

934
00:53:47,679 --> 00:53:49,800
There should be a seven game series. Single game in

935
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:54,039
baseball doesn't mean much. And we lost, and everyone's like,

936
00:53:54,079 --> 00:53:56,920
I'm happy for Venezuela. It's so good for them. I

937
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,880
don't have you ever watched a Baseball World Classic? Have

938
00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:02,239
you ever cared about it?

939
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 2: It's interesting you put it this way because I don't

940
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:08,639
remember it being something that professionals played in at the

941
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,679
very least, I don't really remember it being in existence,

942
00:54:11,679 --> 00:54:13,320
And I feel like it's something I would have back

943
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:14,679
when I was watching baseball.

944
00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels like no star Like it feels like

945
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:20,239
some players played maybe a star here or there, but

946
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:23,880
you wouldn't have Aaron Judge playing in it anyway. I

947
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,320
was just perplexed by this. I felt like we were

948
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trying to recreate the Olympic Hockey gold here. But you can't.

949
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You can't do that, You just can't. I have nothing.

950
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I watched a show called I'm Searching. I like to

951
00:54:41,559 --> 00:54:44,360
have like a backup show when I want to just

952
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:49,239
relax and not think, very empty, the Brown Jump. I

953
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:53,360
like procedural shows, you know, least dramas, So I started

954
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,599
watching two of them. One I mentioned last week for

955
00:54:55,679 --> 00:54:59,320
a second, The Mentalist, okay, which I did. I just

956
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,239
I can't get in too. And then the other one

957
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,679
was I was like, this might be good. It's called

958
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:07,559
Elementary and it has the guy from trainspot one of

959
00:55:07,599 --> 00:55:09,199
the guys from Trainspotting and the Looser.

960
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Speaker 2: I've heard of this.

961
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so she is the She's Watson and he is Sherlock,

962
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:20,119
but they're in temporary New York and he's and he

963
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:23,400
does Sherlock stuff. But it's just it's not as good

964
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as that Sherlock show with a I love that cumber Batch.

965
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,880
I forgot his first name, which is really good. So

966
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I don't know, I just haven't gotten into it. I'm

967
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I'm trying to give it another chance. If anyone has

968
00:55:35,519 --> 00:55:39,679
a good procedural television show that's just dumb, you know,

969
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,599
not too dark, meaning I don't want too dark, not

970
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,679
a ton of blood, just the normal murder. Let's figure

971
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:48,599
it out this week episodic thing with a little bit

972
00:55:48,639 --> 00:55:54,480
of arc with the with the characters. I enjoyed the finish,

973
00:55:54,599 --> 00:55:58,119
The closer was good, and then major Crimes. They were

974
00:55:58,159 --> 00:56:00,679
basically the same show. I like that. So something like

975
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that if readers happened last thing. Did you notice whenever

976
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:06,440
I mentioned anything about my concealed carry gun or whatever,

977
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:10,639
we get a ton of everyone. Everyone's got an opinion

978
00:56:10,679 --> 00:56:12,880
on that we should just do a gun episode. I

979
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:17,639
think it sounds like Jack Jack or ratings. Yeah, oh,

980
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:23,519
I will be speaking about guns. Yeah and near Richmond

981
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if you're nearby. Tickets still available on April first at

982
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the Glenn Allen Cultural Arts Center.

983
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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, so be there.

984
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:40,760
Speaker 1: Be there if you'd like. If you like to reach

985
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,239
the show, please do so. At radio. At the Federalist

986
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:46,800
dot com, we'd love to get your emails and we'll

987
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,000
be back next week. Until them be lovers of freedom

988
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:50,840
and anxious for the fray right.

989
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Speaker 2: I said, going to send my sole, send my sole

990
00:56:55,119 --> 00:56:59,239
on fire. Got a whole lot of money that's ready

991
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,440
to burn, So get those state the ex fire