1 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to the Surely Can't Be Serious podcast, 2 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:22,600 discussing and debating the iconic and the forgotten of eighties 3 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:26,199 and nineties pop culture with your co hosts James D. 4 00:00:26,559 --> 00:00:28,640 Graves and Jason Colban. 5 00:00:32,719 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 2: Okay, welcome back to baseball and podcast fans. We are 6 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,799 here for our second episode on Bull Durham versus Major League. 7 00:00:40,799 --> 00:00:43,079 I'm here with my friend Jason Colvin. 8 00:00:43,399 --> 00:00:43,880 Speaker 3: How you doing? 9 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:51,759 Speaker 2: How's your wife? And my kids? Love it? All right, 10 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:58,119 let's dive back into these movies, all right, we ready 11 00:00:58,159 --> 00:01:00,600 to talk about Yeah, let's talk about the Love Ventrest now, 12 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,600 all right, all right, okay, So Bull Durham we have 13 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:06,680 Annie Savoy played by Susan Sarandon. 14 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 3: The term in baseball for a groupie. What they call 15 00:01:10,359 --> 00:01:13,760 him to Annie and Savoy has to do with a bat, 16 00:01:13,879 --> 00:01:17,599 the Savoy Special. So Annie Savoy and Susan Saranda got 17 00:01:17,599 --> 00:01:19,640 this part. The studio didn't want to hire her. They 18 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:22,319 thought she was too old and not sexy enough. 19 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:25,159 Speaker 2: Right, So they sent her in to talk to the 20 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:31,840 studio executive wearing a low cut, incredibly tight fitting dress, 21 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,760 and she leaned over his desk for about half an 22 00:01:34,799 --> 00:01:37,640 hour and walked out with the part. 23 00:01:37,799 --> 00:01:40,599 Speaker 3: She she was forty one when she did this movie. Yeah, 24 00:01:40,719 --> 00:01:43,560 also considered for the part of Annie Savoy, Kim Basinger, 25 00:01:43,719 --> 00:01:48,359 Ellen Barkin, Kate Capshaw, Geena Davis, Isabella Russolini, Melanie Griffith, 26 00:01:48,439 --> 00:01:52,359 Kerrie Fisher, every Winger, Shelle Ffifer, Kelly mcchillis Mary Steinbergeon, Blinklose, Kaylin's, 27 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:53,519 and Pamela Stevenson. 28 00:01:53,799 --> 00:01:59,439 Speaker 2: So every actress in Hollywood was considered this director. I 29 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,519 think I think Susan Sarandon is the perfect fit for 30 00:02:02,599 --> 00:02:06,280 Annie Savoy. I can't imagine anybody else doing this part. 31 00:02:06,359 --> 00:02:09,639 I would say Renee Russo because they are the two 32 00:02:09,719 --> 00:02:12,479 ladies who I thought got better looking as yours went on. 33 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:15,159 But Renee Russo at the time that this movie came out, 34 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,280 she didn't have the age for it yet, she wasn't 35 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,159 old enough. I like that. Susan Sarandon is kind of that, 36 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,000 for lack of a better word, cougar, you know, looking 37 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,639 for somebody to manipulate kind of characters. So it really 38 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:27,840 fit that she was a little bit older than the 39 00:02:27,879 --> 00:02:28,879 player that she's said. 40 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,599 Speaker 3: Absolutely she had to be older wise. 41 00:02:31,479 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, sexy, Yeah, you had to have a little bit 42 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:35,639 of wisdom in the eyes. And I think that of 43 00:02:35,719 --> 00:02:37,680 all of those you know whatever, one hundred and three 44 00:02:37,719 --> 00:02:40,680 actresses that you just mentioned, that she was the one 45 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,360 that had the right wisdom about her face. 46 00:02:43,439 --> 00:02:45,639 Speaker 3: Could you see Princess Leah as Annie Savoy? 47 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 2: No, No, it would have been weird. 48 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 3: We always like to imagine the alternate universe where we 49 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:54,280 have Kurt Russell, Anthony Michael Hall, and say Ellen Barkin 50 00:02:54,719 --> 00:02:56,840 as Annie. It's a totally different movie. 51 00:02:57,159 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 2: Oh so, the love interest in Major League is played 52 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:10,199 by Renee Russo. Character's name is Lynn Wells. Renee Russo 53 00:03:10,319 --> 00:03:12,719 is actually pretty well a newcomer when this movie came out. 54 00:03:12,759 --> 00:03:15,000 She was not wietly in the first movie. She had 55 00:03:15,039 --> 00:03:16,840 done a couple of little things before this, but this 56 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:19,120 was her first major motion picture, and she went on 57 00:03:19,159 --> 00:03:21,800 to do a ton of stuff, including one of your favorites, 58 00:03:21,879 --> 00:03:23,560 Leath the Weapon three and four. 59 00:03:23,759 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 3: Right Thor. 60 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, she was mother to Thor and then she was 61 00:03:27,439 --> 00:03:30,680 also in ten Cup with Kevin Costner from Bull Durham. 62 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,039 Speaker 3: Oh that's right, I knew that, but I don't know 63 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,240 why I didn't make the connection. Have you ever seen 64 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:36,080 the Thomas Crown affair? 65 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, and hello, get in that Google search. And so 66 00:03:41,439 --> 00:03:43,400 here's my question for you. Let's talk about each of 67 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,479 these movies separately. But is the love story necessary? Because 68 00:03:46,479 --> 00:03:48,840 we're talking about baseball movies here, right, and so why 69 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:50,639 do we have a love story? I mean, like Tombstone, 70 00:03:51,039 --> 00:03:53,680 Like the movie Tombstone is, it's a western, why the 71 00:03:53,759 --> 00:03:55,639 heck are we having a love story in it? You 72 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:57,639 get rid of that whole love story and it's a 73 00:03:57,639 --> 00:04:00,240 better movie as good as it already is. So here's 74 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,599 my question for Major League. Is the love story necessary? 75 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:03,759 Speaker 3: No? 76 00:04:03,919 --> 00:04:06,599 Speaker 2: I agree with you. I love Renee Russo. I love 77 00:04:06,639 --> 00:04:09,159 the part that she plays in this She's gorgeous to 78 00:04:09,199 --> 00:04:11,479 look at. But I think you can get rid of 79 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,080 the love story and it's still a great movie. It's 80 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,519 just kind of a way of showing how Jake Taylor 81 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:18,399 is trying to get his life back together, and that's 82 00:04:18,399 --> 00:04:20,560 about it. On the flip side of that, if you 83 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:22,959 get rid of the love story, you don't have the 84 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,639 scene in the attorney's apartment in the fiance's apartment, and 85 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:28,439 I think that is one of the best scenes in 86 00:04:28,439 --> 00:04:28,800 the movie. 87 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:32,959 Speaker 3: Is a professional baseball that scene? So he intrudes upon 88 00:04:33,079 --> 00:04:35,759 a dinner party that's already happening, and he joins the 89 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:39,000 conversation and she says, wow, you play baseball. Huh where 90 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:40,560 do you play? And he's like, well here in Cleveland. 91 00:04:40,639 --> 00:04:42,000 She's like, they still have a team. 92 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, have uniforms and everything. 93 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 3: And she said, I hear the ballplayers make great money. 94 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:50,160 And he said, well, that depends on how good you are. 95 00:04:50,199 --> 00:04:52,120 And she said how good are you? He said, I 96 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,920 make the league minimum at that time, in nineteen eighty nine, 97 00:04:54,959 --> 00:04:58,000 the league minimum sixty eight thousand dollars, right, The average 98 00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:59,959 sellary in America thirty thousand dollars. 99 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 2: Right, So you making it twice. Yeah, that's not a 100 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:11,360 bad gig in the late eighties. Okay, So to the 101 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,920 to the love story in Bull Durham. Is the love story, 102 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,120 love triangle thing necessary for this movie? 103 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 3: Absolutely? 104 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 2: Absolutely agree, for sure. I think it makes the movie 105 00:05:22,399 --> 00:05:26,360 because the love story between Susan Sarandon and Nuke is 106 00:05:26,439 --> 00:05:29,279 not really the love story. It is this kind of 107 00:05:29,319 --> 00:05:31,639 he is just kind of this middle figure in the 108 00:05:31,639 --> 00:05:33,839 love story between Crash and Annie. 109 00:05:33,879 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 3: That's right, that's right. The fact that Annie and Crash 110 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:39,639 end up together is the whole arc of the story. 111 00:05:39,639 --> 00:05:42,160 That's where we're going. And they're made for each other. 112 00:05:42,319 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, you've got two wise folks who love 113 00:05:45,079 --> 00:05:48,480 the game of baseball who are just you know, looking 114 00:05:48,519 --> 00:05:50,040 to make it one more time, right. 115 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 3: I want to bring me Okay. The movie Bull Durham 116 00:05:53,319 --> 00:05:56,360 was shot in October and November of nineteen eighty seven. Yes, 117 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,160 there's tons of scenes where you're watching you can see 118 00:05:59,160 --> 00:05:59,759 their breath. 119 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,079 Speaker 2: It's supposed to be the hottest summer on record, but it's. 120 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 3: The announcer says it's the hottest summer on record. And 121 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:07,959 yet Crash takes his catcher's mask off in a scene 122 00:06:07,959 --> 00:06:10,079 and he's steaming right right, and then you can see 123 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,759 their breath. The nightmare scene where Nuke is on the 124 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,639 mound and he's pitching and nothing but his jockstrap yeah, 125 00:06:15,639 --> 00:06:19,040 and the garter, yeah, and the garters. Tim Robbins said, 126 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:22,560 I was freezing cold and they had to put they 127 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,319 luved him up with something that made him greasy because 128 00:06:26,519 --> 00:06:28,160 I was freezing death. 129 00:06:28,519 --> 00:06:30,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, he was supposed to be sweaty, but he's just 130 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:32,000 had vaseline all over. 131 00:06:33,079 --> 00:06:33,319 Speaker 3: Right. 132 00:06:34,199 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 2: So another scene in the movie is the scene where 133 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,120 they're so exhausted and they're just like, we just need 134 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,439 a night off, and Crash is like, I can get 135 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:42,839 your rain out, and they're like, there's not a cloud 136 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:44,439 in the sky, goes bet you one hundred dollars, I 137 00:06:44,439 --> 00:06:46,439 can get your rain out. And then they go and 138 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,600 the drunk the drunk playing that they're doing, I mean, 139 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:53,120 if that's acting, if they're not actually drinking, they did 140 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:57,199 a phenomenal job because they look trashed. So that what 141 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:59,319 that happens in the movie is they set the sprinklers 142 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:01,920 off or to flood the field, right, and they get 143 00:07:01,959 --> 00:07:03,800 the rein out. Well, this is based on something that 144 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,279 actually happened to Ron Shelton when he was in the 145 00:07:06,319 --> 00:07:09,439 minor leagues. They were down in Texas. They were actually 146 00:07:09,519 --> 00:07:11,879 hanging out and partying with some of the Amarillo players, 147 00:07:11,959 --> 00:07:14,000 and they decided they didn't want to play the next day, 148 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,360 and so they went down and they did the exact 149 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,920 same thing. They set off the sprinkler system, totally flood 150 00:07:18,959 --> 00:07:22,040 to the field. The only problem was the Amarillo owner 151 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:25,079 happened to have access to a helicopter, and so he 152 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,800 flew the helicopter over there and dried the field out 153 00:07:27,839 --> 00:07:30,279 and they still had to play completely hung over the 154 00:07:30,279 --> 00:07:30,920 next day. 155 00:07:32,079 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 3: Ron Sheldon said, So they went and turned on the 156 00:07:34,519 --> 00:07:37,160 sprinklers and the scene was supposed to kind of end 157 00:07:37,199 --> 00:07:39,319 there with the all the ball players kind of around, 158 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:41,040 and Kevin Costner was like, you know what I would 159 00:07:41,079 --> 00:07:42,720 do if I was in I'd run and go dive 160 00:07:42,759 --> 00:07:45,120 in the dirt. And he's like, well, it's freezing cold. 161 00:07:45,199 --> 00:07:46,560 If you want to do it, I'll film it. So 162 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:48,199 they set it up and that was kind of all 163 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,360 on Kevin Costner, and that really makes the scene. The joy, 164 00:07:51,519 --> 00:07:54,120 the boyish joy of sliding around the dirt. 165 00:07:54,199 --> 00:07:56,759 Speaker 2: You know, right, it's a game. Have fun, supposed to 166 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:57,240 be fun. 167 00:07:57,439 --> 00:07:57,879 Speaker 3: It's fun. 168 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:04,279 Speaker 2: Gds he know about having fun. I'm young, I'm yelling fun. 169 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 3: So there's a ritual that Annie passes a note back 170 00:08:09,279 --> 00:08:11,800 and forth to the dugout a couple of times. Yeah, 171 00:08:11,839 --> 00:08:14,000 once she tells Nuke that he's not been in his 172 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,560 back enough, and Ron Shelton talks about how they used 173 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:19,920 to do this all the time. But one of the 174 00:08:19,959 --> 00:08:22,680 times Crash writes a note to Annie, gives it to 175 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,439 the kid, he delivers it to her. Well, Milly reads 176 00:08:25,439 --> 00:08:27,879 it to her right, and she reads it. She says, 177 00:08:28,079 --> 00:08:29,839 what does it say? She said, well, it says, I 178 00:08:29,879 --> 00:08:31,720 want to make love to you. Crash Well, if you 179 00:08:31,759 --> 00:08:33,080 watch what he writes. 180 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:34,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say I saw it, that's not 181 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:35,440 what he wrote. 182 00:08:35,519 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 3: Now he writes, let's sometime. Yeah. 183 00:08:42,919 --> 00:08:46,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, good good job for Milly for editing that one. 184 00:08:46,639 --> 00:08:49,200 There's an unsung hero there. Milly, I think, is just 185 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,600 a sweet little piece of this movie. She's just so 186 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:58,320 enjoyable and genuinely comfortable with herself. And I love I 187 00:08:58,320 --> 00:08:59,320 love Milly in this movie. 188 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,279 Speaker 3: Yeah I did too. Ron Shelton said that she was 189 00:09:02,399 --> 00:09:06,120 very popular among the actors because of her looks so 190 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:13,559 right at the very beginning, when Nuke and Crash Meat, 191 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:17,559 they were both at a bar and Annie turns and 192 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:19,960 she looks and she says, who is that? And he's like, well, 193 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,440 that's the young picture. He said, Who's who's he dancing with? 194 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:24,039 And she says all of them? I think. So he 195 00:09:24,039 --> 00:09:26,600 has this dance scene where he's dancing with all these girls. 196 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 2: Right choreography, And she was supposed to she she was like, 197 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:32,919 I thought I was going to have two lines out 198 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,639 of this, and Ron Sheldon's like, I never agree to that, 199 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:37,440 and she flipped right on out. 200 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:39,559 Speaker 3: She flipped out, he said, the last time you saw 201 00:09:39,879 --> 00:09:41,039 she was walking out screaming. 202 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 2: But I mean, really looking at that scene, at the 203 00:09:44,159 --> 00:09:49,679 dancing that's going on, was there really choreography that? I 204 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,000 mean that looked like the worst dancing I've ever seen? 205 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:54,240 How did Paula Abdul choreograph that bit? 206 00:09:56,159 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 3: I love this Kevin Coustner. I saw he was talking 207 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:02,399 to Dan Patrick when he stepped up to hit for 208 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,120 the first time. Right, he's in uniform, and you know, 209 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,120 he's the big movie star and he's out there with 210 00:10:07,159 --> 00:10:09,039 all these guys who can play baseball, a lot of 211 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,759 minor league players, a lot of college level players who 212 00:10:11,759 --> 00:10:14,600 were out there as extras and stuff. And so he 213 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:18,000 said it was batting practice. And the first time he swung, 214 00:10:18,279 --> 00:10:22,799 he swung and missed. The second time he swung and 215 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,080 it was a line drive that he said, it fell 216 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:26,320 in like a limp. 217 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 218 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 3: Then the third one he hit out of the ball 219 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:32,440 bark nice. And so he said, the first two he 220 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,360 was like, oh no, and then when he hit that 221 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:37,200 third one, he was like, oh, thank you. 222 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,279 Speaker 2: You know right well. And they did get local college 223 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,879 players to be the extras for the team and for 224 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,639 the opposing teams. But in the stands, they got those 225 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,120 extras from a concert, like they came out of a 226 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:52,320 Pink Floyd concert. You can see him there wearing Pink 227 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,240 Floyd T shirts out there in the Bulderham stands. 228 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:57,919 Speaker 3: I really appreciate this about Ron Shelton. So when he 229 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:02,039 hired actors, he wanted people that had either played baseball 230 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:04,879 or loved baseball, or both. And as a ballplayer, I 231 00:11:04,879 --> 00:11:08,159 really appreciate that, right. That makes a difference when I 232 00:11:08,279 --> 00:11:10,759 view this movie. Now we'll talk here in a minute. 233 00:11:10,759 --> 00:11:13,519 Whether I think Tim Robbins ever looks like say he 234 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:15,799 can throw over eighty miles per hour. I don't think 235 00:11:15,799 --> 00:11:18,639 he looks that way. But one of the things he 236 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,639 did when he auditioned actors to play in this movie 237 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:25,320 is in the interview room he would set a baseball down, 238 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,919 and because people are uncomfortable during the audition process, if 239 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:32,200 they found something that they were comfortable with, i e. 240 00:11:32,519 --> 00:11:34,679 A baseball, they would go over, pick it up, kind 241 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:36,399 of rub it, hold it in their hand. I know 242 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:38,080 that's what I would do. I'd pick up that ball. 243 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:39,919 Speaker 2: I'd be rubbing it right right. Yeah. 244 00:11:39,919 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 3: And he said he didn't even have to audition the 245 00:11:41,639 --> 00:11:44,360 people that picked up a ball because he knew that's 246 00:11:44,399 --> 00:11:45,200 who he's looking for. 247 00:11:45,519 --> 00:11:55,519 Speaker 2: Perfect. That is awesome. So on that note, in Major League, 248 00:11:55,519 --> 00:11:58,519 they got some major league players to be extras in 249 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:01,960 that movie as well, but some key parts the opponents 250 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,519 for the Yankees, the guy that they called Haywood, was 251 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:10,559 played by Peter Vukevich. Peter Vukovich was the former pitcher 252 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:14,440 for the Milwaukee Brewers and never hit a single home 253 00:12:14,519 --> 00:12:17,679 run in his life, had been I'm sorry, in his 254 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:19,480 major league career. He had never hit a home run. 255 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:21,399 I don't know about his you know, maybe in little 256 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:26,080 league or something, but he was barely even on base 257 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:30,600 because the American League has a designated hitter rule, which 258 00:12:30,639 --> 00:12:32,200 allows them to use a designated hitter. 259 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 3: That's right, So this guy is not some scrub. This 260 00:12:34,879 --> 00:12:37,000 guy won the nineteen eighty two Cy Young, which is 261 00:12:37,039 --> 00:12:39,639 the highest award you can get as a pitcher. Right, 262 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,639 he was an incredible ballplayer, just wasn't a hitter. But 263 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,000 when you look at him, I mean clearly, I mean 264 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:48,600 every baseball player at some point growing up, you're a 265 00:12:48,639 --> 00:12:51,279 third baseman and a pitcher, and you hit and you pitch, 266 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,200 and at some point you DEVI eight and you become 267 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,480 what you are. Right when he swings a bat, you 268 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:57,960 can tell this dude can hit. 269 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 2: And he was based on the former Yankees catcher Thurman Munson. 270 00:13:02,759 --> 00:13:06,279 He was also featured just kind of in the background 271 00:13:06,399 --> 00:13:09,480 in Bull Durham in a kind of little shrine that 272 00:13:09,519 --> 00:13:13,360 Annie Savoy has. The story was that Annie had a 273 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:16,399 difficult time, maybe a father's funeral or something like that, 274 00:13:16,879 --> 00:13:19,519 and then went and saw Thurman Munson. 275 00:13:19,759 --> 00:13:21,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, they was supposed to be the backstory to Annie. 276 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,360 They cut all this, but you know how to do 277 00:13:24,399 --> 00:13:26,480 it with a relationship with her dad, and she was 278 00:13:26,519 --> 00:13:28,799 a fan of Thurman Munthson. THURM Mundson was actually killed 279 00:13:28,799 --> 00:13:31,840 in a plane crash. Yankee catcher, well known player. 280 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,279 Speaker 2: Right the last scene, the famous scene where Jake Taylor 281 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:36,039 calls his shot. 282 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:37,919 Speaker 3: I mean, if you're not a baseball fan, you may 283 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,039 not be familiar with this. This is something that Babe 284 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:40,559 Ruth did. 285 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, anybody who was an adult at that point would 286 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:46,600 have known that. But yeah, now it is world famous 287 00:13:46,759 --> 00:13:49,679 that Babe Ruth, when he was playing for the Yankees, 288 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,600 called his shot and then hit it. 289 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 3: And that's that's what that scene is. Playing off of 290 00:13:55,919 --> 00:13:58,720 the fact that you should know, babe. Ruth pointed to 291 00:13:58,759 --> 00:14:01,159 the outfield, like, I'm gonna hit this. Jake Taylor does 292 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,679 the same thing, and you expect that here's this moment 293 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:06,080 he's going to try and jack this. Yeah, so when 294 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,159 he lays down the buont it's a complete surprise. 295 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,559 Speaker 2: And that's what And it's brilliant too. And they laid 296 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:14,039 the foundation so well with that scene when they first 297 00:14:14,159 --> 00:14:17,399 arrive at the Major League Stadium and Jake thinks he's 298 00:14:17,399 --> 00:14:19,840 all alone out there on the field and he calls 299 00:14:19,879 --> 00:14:23,120 his shot and smashes it and runs the bases as 300 00:14:23,159 --> 00:14:25,639 though he's hit a home run, and then Willie Mays, 301 00:14:25,639 --> 00:14:27,799 Hayes and Ricky Vaughn are clapping for it. 302 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: He really got a hold of that one. 303 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was out of here. 304 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 3: That was out of here, man. One of the things 305 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:37,440 I thought was interesting about this so Charlie Sheen, I 306 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:41,279 think is very effective his motions. You can tell this 307 00:14:41,279 --> 00:14:45,000 guy's a ballplayer. And I believed it when they said 308 00:14:45,039 --> 00:14:47,080 he could throw hard because I'm watching him. I'm like, man, 309 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,240 this guy can throw hard. But one of the things 310 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,080 that they did is they moved the pitchers mound to 311 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:52,840 kind of give the illusion to speed. They moved it 312 00:14:52,919 --> 00:14:57,000 ten feet closer. Yes, so normal baseball mound is sixty 313 00:14:57,039 --> 00:14:59,200 feet six inches from the plate. They moved it ten 314 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,399 feet closer so it looked and then they did a 315 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:05,279 lot of camera work from behind the catcher. But loved, loved, 316 00:15:05,399 --> 00:15:08,480 loved the scene where he's practicing with that ten fake 317 00:15:08,919 --> 00:15:10,879 baseball player and he throws a pitch and it takes 318 00:15:10,919 --> 00:15:11,600 the guy's head off. 319 00:15:11,679 --> 00:15:14,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's awesome scene before that hits him in the 320 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,960 groin and then the guy falls first. 321 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,879 Speaker 3: Brilliant in real life. Margaret Whitten who plays Rachel Phelps, Yes, 322 00:15:21,039 --> 00:15:23,840 she was a real life Yankee season ticket holder. Oh 323 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:24,919 he's a baseball fan. 324 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 2: That's great. Also in real life, the billboard with the 325 00:15:37,879 --> 00:15:41,159 bull offering the free steak for whoever hits it. Yeah, 326 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:44,879 they actually still have that now. And if it gets 327 00:15:44,919 --> 00:15:48,320 tagged by home run, the batter gets a steak. If 328 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,399 he hits the grass, he gets a free salad. 329 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 3: I love that, and that was totally created by the 330 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:54,679 movie Bull Durham. 331 00:15:54,799 --> 00:15:57,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, they loved it so much they kept it. 332 00:15:57,919 --> 00:16:00,799 Speaker 3: In the original trailer for Major League they talk about 333 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:04,039 how they're all at dinner and Charlie Sheen says, they're 334 00:16:04,039 --> 00:16:07,000 talking about his pitching day, and Jake Taylor says that 335 00:16:07,039 --> 00:16:09,279 ball would not have been out of a lot of parks, 336 00:16:09,399 --> 00:16:13,559 and Ricky Vaughn says, name one, and he says Yellowstone. Right. 337 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:15,519 Speaker 2: Yes, that was in. 338 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:17,799 Speaker 3: The trailer, and we all knew it from the trailer. 339 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 2: But he never made it to the movie exactly. 340 00:16:20,759 --> 00:16:23,639 Speaker 3: But they decided, you know, it was popular enough and 341 00:16:23,639 --> 00:16:26,480 people knew it enough that they actually inserted it into 342 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:27,240 Major League Tip. 343 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 2: I think there was probably a bit of an outcry 344 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:32,519 because that line from the trailer may have been the 345 00:16:32,559 --> 00:16:34,200 reason that a whole lot of people went to go 346 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:36,120 see that movie in the first place. I mean, it's 347 00:16:36,279 --> 00:16:39,080 just it's a classic line. It's not actually in the movie. 348 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 3: Why would they cut that's so funny? I don't know 349 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:42,440 why they would cut that. 350 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:46,679 Speaker 2: So Also on Bull Durham in the scene where they 351 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,399 go outside when they've met for the first time and 352 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:51,919 he throws them at baseball and says, hit me with this, 353 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,360 and then he says, I hear you couldn't hit water 354 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:59,000 if you fell out of a e fing boat. Tommy Lasorda, 355 00:16:59,279 --> 00:17:01,559 the guy who is in manager for the Dodgers, actually 356 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:03,399 said this in nineteen eighty four. 357 00:17:04,519 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 3: Tommy Lasorda, Tommy. 358 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:07,559 Speaker 2: Lasorta, I love Tommy Lasorda. 359 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 3: That's a great line and that scene is so funny. 360 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,839 Oh when they when Crash and Nuke meet for the 361 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,400 first time, they're gonna fight, and Crash is already in 362 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,279 his head from the moment they step outside, Come on meet, 363 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:23,240 You're starting to think about it already, and how embarrassing 364 00:17:23,279 --> 00:17:25,079 it would be to miss in front of everybody. And 365 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,200 he said, let's see that million dollar arm because I 366 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:29,400 got a good idea about that five cent head of yours. 367 00:17:29,519 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 2: Brilliant, brilliant, so many classic lines and all of these 368 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:36,640 Also just a quick side note, the costume designer found out, 369 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:40,920 I mean, Crash Davis is such an awesome character, but 370 00:17:41,319 --> 00:17:44,720 she found out that Ron Shelton's number was the number eight, 371 00:17:45,079 --> 00:17:47,400 and so she made that Crash Davis's number for the movie. 372 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 3: That's really cool. So I saw or I heard Ron 373 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,880 Shelton talking about they were on a tight budget and 374 00:17:53,039 --> 00:17:56,160 everything that they got costume wise for the actors in 375 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:57,720 Bull Durham, they got a goodwill. 376 00:17:58,119 --> 00:17:58,599 Speaker 2: Wow. 377 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,759 Speaker 3: So Kevin Costner's out fit when they fight, that bomber 378 00:18:01,839 --> 00:18:05,680 jacket khaki's the golf shirt. She basically told John Shelton 379 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:09,680 to get undressed and give Kevin cost your clothes. Those 380 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:13,240 were the clothes that he wore. That's his jacket and 381 00:18:13,279 --> 00:18:17,680 his shoes. Yeah, and then he said he sat down 382 00:18:17,759 --> 00:18:21,400 with Tim Robbins and like, Okay, here's what we're going 383 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:25,160 for with your character. We want a third rate John Travolta. Right. 384 00:18:26,599 --> 00:18:29,559 So they always had any kind of these leisure suits 385 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,279 and rock and Roll T shirts. Tim Robbins was the 386 00:18:32,279 --> 00:18:34,599 one who picked the T shirts, so the Iron Maiden, 387 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,559 the Girls, Girls, Girls, all that he picked those rock 388 00:18:37,599 --> 00:18:39,559 and Roll T shirts, which I secretly love. 389 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:45,039 Speaker 2: Okay, so let's talk about the Let's talk about some 390 00:18:45,079 --> 00:18:47,559 of the more memorable quotes from these two movies. 391 00:18:47,759 --> 00:18:50,799 Speaker 3: You go first, one of the This is not a 392 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:53,240 very memorable quote, but for whatever reason, my wife and 393 00:18:53,319 --> 00:18:55,359 I say this to each other all the time. Anytime 394 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,240 I look at her and she's like, well, what do 395 00:18:57,279 --> 00:18:59,480 you think about this dress or whatever, and I say, well, 396 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:03,680 you look cute, she will say back to me, baby, 397 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,359 decks are cute. I want to be exotic and mysterious. 398 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,039 We love that line. We say that all the time 399 00:19:08,039 --> 00:19:08,559 to each other. 400 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:10,759 Speaker 2: One of the lines that I just grabbed out of 401 00:19:10,759 --> 00:19:13,680 the blue is this son of it is throwing a 402 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:15,960 two hit shutout and he's shaking me off. Can you 403 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:20,119 believe this? Yeah, Charlie, here comes the deuce and when 404 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:21,359 you speak of me, speak well. 405 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,519 Speaker 3: Ron Sheldon said that actually happened to him. The catcher 406 00:19:26,559 --> 00:19:28,240 told him that he was going to throw a curveball, 407 00:19:28,839 --> 00:19:32,920 and he said he was like what, He just couldn't 408 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,400 believe it. And when it happened, the guy threw him 409 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:38,160 a big, old fat curveball. He said he didn't swing 410 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:40,440 because he didn't trust the catcher. He didn't believe it. 411 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 2: That's what I was. I mean, that's the thought I 412 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:44,799 have it each time that because he does it twice. 413 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:47,599 He does it twice in the movie, like first, you know, 414 00:19:47,759 --> 00:19:50,839 he wants to announce his a presence with authority and 415 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,480 it's the fastball, and then he does it again when 416 00:19:53,599 --> 00:19:57,000 La Lushah's is excited about his curveball, right yeah. 417 00:19:56,799 --> 00:19:59,799 Speaker 3: And he does that over exaggerated shake off. Yeah, just 418 00:20:00,079 --> 00:20:01,160 quit baseball story. 419 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:01,599 Speaker 2: Yeah. 420 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:03,640 Speaker 3: I grew up playing baseball in high school. I was 421 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:05,440 on a very good team. We were actually ranked in USA 422 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,400 Today's Top twenty five at one point. Oh, but we 423 00:20:08,559 --> 00:20:12,599 stole signs one time from our opposing team, right. 424 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 2: Oh, you stile like the Okay, I got you now, Yes, 425 00:20:15,319 --> 00:20:16,920 stole the signal signs. Yes, right. 426 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 3: So I mean the Houston Astros are in a world 427 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,319 hurt right now because they would steal them electronically and 428 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:24,319 digitally with a camera and stuff like that. We were 429 00:20:24,319 --> 00:20:27,200 just sitting in the dugout the picture. The opposing pitcher 430 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,920 would look at his coach and the opposite dugout, and 431 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,559 if the coach's legs were straight, it was fastball. If 432 00:20:32,559 --> 00:20:34,359 they were crossed, it was curved, and we picked it up. 433 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:36,319 And the way we relate it to the hitter was 434 00:20:37,079 --> 00:20:38,640 so if you were up to bad and we said, 435 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,000 come on D, let's go D. Come on D, you're 436 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,640 the best D. That man fastball, we said, let's go 437 00:20:44,839 --> 00:20:48,400 Graves graves, graves, graves graves. That meant curve. And we 438 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,799 destroyed that team that day because we stole their pitches 439 00:20:50,839 --> 00:20:53,799 and they didn't know what had happened. All right, But 440 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,640 another funny moment to me, one of the funniest moments 441 00:20:56,759 --> 00:20:59,039 in the entire movie is when the coach tosses all 442 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,079 the bats in the shower, and he says, then he 443 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:03,000 went out in the shower in ten seconds, gonna get 444 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,839 fine one hundred dollars. It's brilliants. 445 00:21:06,079 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 2: Yes, he's lolligag on the field. Your lolligag off the field. 446 00:21:11,839 --> 00:21:12,559 What does that make them? 447 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 3: Larry lolligaggersers. Another line from that scene that we quoted 448 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,799 all the time on my baseball team was it's a 449 00:21:21,839 --> 00:21:28,839 simple game. You the ball, you hit the ball, you 450 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:33,559 catch the ball. Okay, So one of my one of 451 00:21:33,559 --> 00:21:35,720 my favorite lines. Of course we've already mentioned this, but 452 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:38,799 when Harris says, are you trying to tell me Jesus 453 00:21:38,839 --> 00:21:39,880 Christ can't hit a proobal? 454 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 2: Dang it, you took mine? 455 00:21:43,839 --> 00:21:44,400 Speaker 3: I think that. 456 00:21:44,319 --> 00:21:46,599 Speaker 2: Maybe that I think that may be the most memorable 457 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,480 line from the movie for sure. In relation to that, 458 00:21:49,559 --> 00:21:54,480 I say a few Joe Boo, I hit the ball myself. 459 00:21:57,759 --> 00:22:02,079 Speaker 3: Actually, the the speech that Charlie Machine gives Loue Brown 460 00:22:02,559 --> 00:22:05,519 after he thinks he's cut just oh yeah, when he 461 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:10,000 barges into his office flips the chair. His speech is 462 00:22:10,079 --> 00:22:12,599 very controlled. He's like, let me tell you something, mister Brown. 463 00:22:12,799 --> 00:22:15,160 I'm gonna catch on somewhere. And when I pitch against 464 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:19,559 you every time, I'm gonna up your beep. Right, And 465 00:22:19,599 --> 00:22:21,920 he throws that ball about one thousand miles an hour 466 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,160 at the locker behind him, and of course it turns 467 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:26,640 out he's being pranked. 468 00:22:26,279 --> 00:22:29,400 Speaker 2: But right, and blue Brown is not sayed at all. 469 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:30,799 Speaker 3: He doesn't even blink. 470 00:22:31,759 --> 00:22:34,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, So that one is very similar to the other 471 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,400 line that I've got here for this one. I'm just 472 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,480 gonna go for it. You ever tank another play like 473 00:22:39,519 --> 00:22:41,559 you did today, and I'm gonna cut off your nuts 474 00:22:41,559 --> 00:22:48,799 and shove him down your throat. Aw. This movie is 475 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,599 just it's so full of the trash talking stuff that 476 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,759 we as guys say to each other all the time. 477 00:22:54,799 --> 00:22:57,680 Both of the movies just chalked full of it. 478 00:22:57,759 --> 00:23:00,039 Speaker 3: I love that about it because it's very real. Right, So, 479 00:23:00,079 --> 00:23:03,279 particularly Bulderham, Well, both of these movies really they take 480 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,519 us where we don't get to go. Right. We go 481 00:23:05,559 --> 00:23:07,759 to the pictures mound, we go to the meeting, we 482 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,359 go to the locker room, you know, we we we 483 00:23:10,519 --> 00:23:14,200 hear the conversations that actually happened, and it's not about baseball. 484 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,559 It's about girls and partying and what things are happening, 485 00:23:17,599 --> 00:23:21,000 you know, Like the Candlesticks scene, or when Dorn goes 486 00:23:21,039 --> 00:23:24,200 out and tells him basically when the whole thing even 487 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,880 though yeah, he just slept with his wife right. 488 00:23:26,839 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 2: Right, right, it's got one thing to say to you. 489 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,799 Strike this mother effort out there, you go. 490 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,400 Speaker 3: I like the line in Bull Durham when he's telling 491 00:23:35,519 --> 00:23:37,799 Nuke how to hold a baseball. He's like, hold it 492 00:23:37,839 --> 00:23:41,160 like an egg, right, it's an egg, yes, yes, So 493 00:23:41,279 --> 00:23:46,200 when he comes out he's like, oh, yeah, he scrambled 494 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:51,319 it too, looking at the effing bull guy gets a 495 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:55,440 free steak. I love it when he says, uh, man, 496 00:23:55,599 --> 00:23:57,880 anything that goes that far out to have a stewardess 497 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:03,200 on it, we can quote all night. These movies are 498 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,079 are really truly one of the great quotable movies of 499 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,519 all time. One of the lines in Major League when 500 00:24:08,559 --> 00:24:10,920 he says, the guys in the stands are like, it's 501 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,119 too high. We mean too high to the trajectory of 502 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,599 the ball. Too high. What's the difference is that here. 503 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 2: That's a great part of Major League is that they 504 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,160 cut to the fans. Because I gotta say, I've tried 505 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,680 to figure out who the main character is in Major League, 506 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,640 and I can't figure it out, I can't. I think 507 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,680 it's Cleveland. I think Cleveland might be the main character 508 00:24:31,799 --> 00:24:34,759 in the movie because it's a story about them and 509 00:24:34,799 --> 00:24:39,240 their poor pathetic team that everybody knows is pathetic, and 510 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,839 that's the Cinderella story that we get. And so that's 511 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,240 why you have these scenes where it cuts to the guys, 512 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,680 you know, up in the stands where there's only four 513 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,680 people and they're doing the wave by themselves, or the 514 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,119 guys who are working the grounds who are actually father 515 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:54,279 and son by the way, I don't know if you 516 00:24:54,279 --> 00:24:56,960 know that actual father and son. And then Neil Flynn, 517 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,920 who is nobody at the time, is one of the 518 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,720 like the construction guys who's like these efing whatever what 519 00:25:03,839 --> 00:25:06,480 he's throwing the F bomb and whatever. He says. He 520 00:25:06,559 --> 00:25:09,640 went on to be the janitor and scrubs, which was 521 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,880 a pretty major part, and now he's playing the dad 522 00:25:13,039 --> 00:25:16,119 in the middle, which is it's interesting to see those 523 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,759 guys who's their starting point who have gone on to 524 00:25:18,759 --> 00:25:21,759 do great things like him, and also obviously Wesley Snipes 525 00:25:21,799 --> 00:25:22,480 and Ornee Russo. 526 00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:24,319 Speaker 3: I love the line also from Bull Durham where he 527 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,680 says he tells nuke. He says don't think it can 528 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:27,680 only hurt the ball club. 529 00:25:28,559 --> 00:25:31,400 Speaker 2: One last thing. You're gonna have to learn your cliches. 530 00:25:31,559 --> 00:25:33,319 You're gonna have to study them. We've got to play 531 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,440 it one day at a time. It's pretty boring. Of course, 532 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,319 it's boring. That's the point. Write it down. You see 533 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,680 that scene, and then you see the last scene when 534 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,480 he's in the when he's in the major leagues and 535 00:25:43,519 --> 00:25:46,640 he's doing his interview, and then you watch any player 536 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,160 doing an interview in professional sports after that point, and 537 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,680 you're like, oh my gosh, he's learned his cliches because 538 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,359 everybody's always about the team. 539 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 3: Yep. 540 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 2: But I guess it's not like not everybody enjoyed the movie. 541 00:25:57,519 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 3: Really, yeah, I mean, who do you know that didn't? 542 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 2: Well, Mickey Mantle, you were telling me this story. 543 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's right. I need to tell you this story. Okay, 544 00:26:06,279 --> 00:26:07,920 thank you. You teed it up for me and I and 545 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,079 I didn't even see it coming. 546 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 2: You to do it again. 547 00:26:11,559 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 3: Will you please tell me when you're gonna throw me 548 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:18,480 the fastball, speak to me. Speak well, right, okay, So yeah, 549 00:26:18,519 --> 00:26:20,960 so Mickey Mannle didn't enjoy it, so he was on 550 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,519 with a like a late night talk show. I don't 551 00:26:23,519 --> 00:26:24,960 know if it was let him in or somebody else, 552 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,880 but they were asking him, Hey, Micky, did you see 553 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,960 this new funny baseball movie called Bull Durham? And he said, yeah, 554 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,920 I saw it, and they were like, what'd you think, Micky? 555 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,680 It was really funny, right, and he's like, yeah, you know, yeah, 556 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,680 and he was. His reaction was sort of yeah, I 557 00:26:38,759 --> 00:26:40,720 saw it, you know. And the host could tell what 558 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,960 Micky didn't think this movie was funny, and so he 559 00:26:44,039 --> 00:26:46,720 finally pinned him down and Mickey was like, no, I 560 00:26:46,759 --> 00:26:48,799 didn't really think it was funny. I thought it was. 561 00:26:48,799 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 2: Sad, sad, sad, Yeah, how go to be sad? 562 00:26:52,319 --> 00:26:54,799 Speaker 3: So the host is like, sad, what are you talking about? 563 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,519 It made me sad because that guy could play, referring 564 00:26:58,559 --> 00:27:00,799 to Crash Davis. He could hit it, and it just 565 00:27:00,799 --> 00:27:02,759 made him sad to think about all the friends that 566 00:27:02,799 --> 00:27:04,839 he had in the minor leagues that were stuck behind 567 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,839 guys like Mickey Mantle who never made it to the 568 00:27:07,839 --> 00:27:09,799 big time. It could play. I just thought that was 569 00:27:09,839 --> 00:27:12,200 a really interesting perspective on the movie. 570 00:27:13,079 --> 00:27:14,839 Speaker 2: Okay, so it's time for final judgment. 571 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,880 Speaker 3: You ready, Let's go to final judgment. 572 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, we've done rock and roll, we've done pop, 573 00:27:25,519 --> 00:27:29,519 we've done alternative. I don't anticipate that we're gonna do 574 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:34,599 an episode on jazz, but here's kay. I like jazz. 575 00:27:34,759 --> 00:27:37,319 I didn't used to. I didn't understand it, and it 576 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,480 wasn't for me. But at some point I've encountered some 577 00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:43,359 live jazz. When I was bartending, I was like, wait, 578 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,200 that's pretty good, and then I developed a taste for 579 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,839 it and I enjoyed it. But I still love rock 580 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:52,720 and roll. Okay, Bull Durham is jazz. Burl Durham is 581 00:27:52,839 --> 00:27:58,079 smooth and sweet, and it gets you little touches of 582 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,799 flavor that you just aren't gonna to get in your 583 00:28:00,839 --> 00:28:07,480 standard hard rock song. And I think it's fantastic. I love, 584 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:12,559 love love it. Major League is rock and freaking' roll. Man. 585 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:17,640 It is wild thing, make my heart sing kick but 586 00:28:18,039 --> 00:28:23,920 the whole time, simple, straightforward Cinderella's story, but filled with 587 00:28:24,039 --> 00:28:27,880 the comic genius that any guy who's been on a 588 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:32,000 baseball's been on any kind of sports team can just 589 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:36,920 dive into. And so I know this is not right. 590 00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:39,599 I know this is not fair. I have to call 591 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:45,079 this a tie I can't pick because I love jazz. 592 00:28:45,559 --> 00:28:50,319 I love the poetry of Bull Durham. I love the 593 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:55,160 lessons and the two teachers and their their the conflict 594 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,799 in their relationship. It's just so beautiful as the way 595 00:28:59,799 --> 00:29:03,599 that plays out. I love that story, but it kind 596 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,240 of peters out, you know, it just kind of slowly 597 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,480 like a jazz song. Just you don't get some sort 598 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:13,759 of hard rock ending where they're crescendo. It's it's a 599 00:29:13,839 --> 00:29:16,319 you know, NWD goes on and then there's more story 600 00:29:16,359 --> 00:29:20,880 about crash and it's not this climactic ending, but I 601 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:25,319 still love it. But with Major League, you get you 602 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,640 get two climactic endings. You get calling the shot and 603 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:34,440 you get given the heater. It's so so perfect a 604 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,960 guy movie. They're both very guy movies, but I think 605 00:29:38,079 --> 00:29:41,759 Major League is a guy guy movie, and I think 606 00:29:41,799 --> 00:29:44,880 that Bull Durham is a movie that both men and 607 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,079 women can enjoy. 608 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 3: That's good. That's good. You kind of you're kind of 609 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:53,039 close to my my comparison as well. But here's what 610 00:29:53,119 --> 00:29:54,880 I came up with on these two movies, all right, 611 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,480 So I love them both. These are two of the 612 00:29:57,519 --> 00:30:03,119 best baseball movies ever made. Appreciate these two movies as 613 00:30:03,119 --> 00:30:06,839 being great baseball movies. So for me, Major League is 614 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,920 bon Jovi. It makes music for the masses, it makes 615 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:17,480 baseball accessible, it makes baseball fun. It's it's what everybody loves. 616 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:19,799 Everybody can enjoy this movie. 617 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:20,079 Speaker 2: Right. 618 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 3: Bull Durham is like the Police. Okay, wow, great music, 619 00:30:26,799 --> 00:30:32,000 great songs. If you're a musician, you probably appreciate them 620 00:30:32,039 --> 00:30:36,960 a little more than the average person does. The craftsmanship there, right, 621 00:30:37,359 --> 00:30:41,160 So as a ballplayer, the ins and outs and the 622 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,799 intricacies that are demonstrated in Bull Durham, I lean Bull Durham. 623 00:30:46,279 --> 00:30:49,240 I gotta tell you, Bull Durham is a little bit more. 624 00:30:50,519 --> 00:30:54,480 It's closer to my heart for whatever reason. Let me 625 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,599 tell you there's a scene in Bull Durham. I saw 626 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,880 Ron Shelton talk about this. There's a scene where Nuke 627 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,720 when he gives up a bunch of runs, they pull 628 00:31:02,799 --> 00:31:06,079 him out and as he's walking to the locker room. 629 00:31:06,839 --> 00:31:09,960 Ron Shelton there's like a three second scene where Nuke 630 00:31:10,079 --> 00:31:12,880 is walking and he said, the only reason he had 631 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,279 that scene in the movie is because he wanted spikes 632 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:20,240 on concrete. He wanted that sound, and for me, that 633 00:31:20,559 --> 00:31:24,240 sound is meaningful to me. It probably means nothing to 634 00:31:24,279 --> 00:31:28,359 you or anybody else. But those are the small hidden 635 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:33,160 gems of Bulderham that a ballplayer appreciates. So I love 636 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:37,039 the love story, I love Major League. I just love 637 00:31:37,039 --> 00:31:38,400 Bulderham just a little bit more. 638 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,559 Speaker 2: I understand. And those things that you're talking about that 639 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,200 like the cleats on the concrete, there are little nuances 640 00:31:44,279 --> 00:31:48,200 associated with the sport, and even just the time of 641 00:31:48,319 --> 00:31:52,200 year that it's played, the fact that baseball is played 642 00:31:52,319 --> 00:31:56,279 in the spring, and the weather is a particular way 643 00:31:56,359 --> 00:32:00,519 and the sun sets at a particular time, and there 644 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:05,000 is a romance about baseball that you don't get within 645 00:32:05,079 --> 00:32:08,920 door sports, sure that you don't necessarily get with stadium 646 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:13,920 sports like football. There's something magical that I think they 647 00:32:14,039 --> 00:32:17,400 do a great job of capturing in Field of Dreams 648 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:22,200 as well, but certainly Bull Durham they capture that essence. 649 00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:24,720 I can't fall you for lean in that way at all. 650 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,440 My wife will agree with you. Bull Durham is the best. 651 00:32:27,759 --> 00:32:30,640 My ten year old will tell you that Major League 652 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,720 is the best baseball movie of all time. Well, and 653 00:32:32,759 --> 00:32:36,039 I can't blame you for that. We want to hear 654 00:32:36,079 --> 00:32:39,200 from you, guys, Yeah, please check us out on Twitter, 655 00:32:39,279 --> 00:32:41,920 check us out on Facebook, the Surely You Can't Be 656 00:32:42,079 --> 00:32:46,599 Serious podcast on both of those at Surely's podcast if 657 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,279 you happen to be searching that way. But yeah, check 658 00:32:49,359 --> 00:32:51,000 us out and tell us what you think. Tell us 659 00:32:51,119 --> 00:32:53,240 if you think that there are other baseball movies out 660 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,240 there that are comparable to this one. There were a 661 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:56,960 lot coming out at this time, So we'd love to 662 00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:58,079 hear what you've got to say on this. 663 00:32:58,279 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 3: Hit us up on Twitter, hit us up on Facebook. 664 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,279 Let's hear from you if you've got a great idea 665 00:33:02,319 --> 00:33:03,720 for a podcast you'd like for us to do. 666 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,759 Speaker 2: Let's know that a good friend of mine used to say, 667 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,559 this is a very simple game. You throw the ball, 668 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,240 you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, 669 00:33:14,759 --> 00:33:19,359 sometimes you lose. 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