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Dynasty versus Unmasked Night and might get into the a
is Fraeli record that Paul Gargano just absolutely loved, and
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in my life. Ladies and gentlemen, Todd Kerns, Welcome back
to the show.
Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, Hello.
Speaker 2: Great to see you. Paul Gargana Fadle Edge Magazine, Welcome back.
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Speaker 3: I am thrilled to be here.
Speaker 2: Love it is A and I'm fucking pumped to talk
about You can count me in if.
Speaker 3: You want to talk about Kiss, I'm fucking in bro.
Speaker 2: I fucking love it. I love it. So the first
half of the show, I did want to I wanted
to talk about the new Ace record, but I'm At
has a heart out at seven, So we are going
to get into the throwdown in the first half, Dynasty
versus Unmasked and I have seen so many people lately
expressing their love for Kiss unmasked. Yeah, and yes, yes,
I don't get it. I don't get it. I listened
to it twice today.
Speaker 3: Is it weird to admit you're stupid on your own show?
Speaker 2: Oh? I admit that all the time. It's part of
my charm. Oh yeah, And it is a drunken summits,
So cheer everybody. A little shot at Jack Daniels to
kick off the night.
Speaker 4: Oh, I love my liver. It doesn't love you, it doesn't.
Speaker 2: So this was a I mean, this whole era seventy
eight to eighty was like a weird era for Kiss
because they really changed and they you know, obviously went
down more of the pop route. Paul started working with
Desmond Child, of course, which spawned that amazing hit I
was made for Loving You with Dynasty, And I think
we should start with Dynasty because that was the first
one coming off of the solo records. Boom, we've got Dynasty.
Let's go through initial thoughts on it. I think that's
what we should do. We'll go through the thoughts on
the two records. Then we'll just then maybe we go
side by side and compare them track by track.
Speaker 11: Let's let's be honest, most Kiss fans had checked out
by this point.
Speaker 1: Yes, is that true because I remember I guess I
was specifically the perfect age because I think we were
into Kiss and a new Kiss record came out, and
to me, it was just like the law. You went
and you got the new Kiss record, you listened to it,
you loved it, and you you and your friends, I
seemed like all my friends, we all love.
Speaker 4: Uh. Dynasty was massive because.
Speaker 1: Of that song. That song, you know, took it to
all of them. But then it's got a ton of
great a stuff on it, like two thousand Man the
Stones cover Hard Hard Times. Yeah, that's bad, as like
all that stuff is really really cool and the Gene
songs are great charisma.
Speaker 12: I feel like, sorry, I never got the memo that
you weren't supposed to exactly.
Speaker 3: I love these records the same way.
Speaker 8: And I think it also depends anything where you came in,
how you came in. I didn't because of an older
brother or an older sister that loved the.
Speaker 4: Band I was.
Speaker 8: I discovered them on my own, and I literally discovered
them on my own, and I was nine years old
when Dynasty came out, so it's like you grow up,
you love this, Like I wasn't old enough to know
any better than oh this is bad kiss, or this
isn't the best kiss, this isn't whatever. So for me,
this is this is the first album that I really
kind of called my own, like the other one was
backwards into This was the first album that was my album.
Speaker 4: And I love this record.
Speaker 3: What you're saying.
Speaker 2: Nasty, Yeah, yeah, I mean I think Dynasty fucking rocks.
I mean it's it's a lot harder edged than a
lot of people give it credit for because they they think, oh, yeah,
that's their disco record. Well, yes, I was made for
of it was a disco song, and Peter's song also
got that disco pop feel too. Other than Ace's killer
fucking guitar solo in.
Speaker 11: There, Let's be honest, that's probably one of Peter's best songs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, living to be honest, the both of those records
are some of Peter's best drumming.
Speaker 2: You did there? I see it.
Speaker 3: You guys, Oh Anton fig you were so Paul Am
I remembering this correctly?
Speaker 12: And and and guys, because I I think I this
might be my entry point to kiss too, because this
is I feel like more of the action figures for
Kiss for pumped out around this particular time, because I
do think I was made for loving you?
Speaker 3: Was this?
Speaker 12: Uh, they were able to get a bigger piece of
the of the audience, you know, and and create more awareness.
Certainly they were they were on rocket thrusters with all
their licensing and merchandising at.
Speaker 3: This point, and you know, they were rock and roll superheroes.
They still are to me.
Speaker 12: And I think that this is probably when I was like,
oh I need, I need, I need everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely needed the lunch box, needed the it was
had to have it all.
Speaker 12: Yeah, it was this, It was Kiss, It was Mark
and Mindy.
Speaker 4: Angels.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think I came a couple of years later, but
that yeah, sure, yeah, I have like I have a
Kiss pinball machine in my living room from nineteen seventy nine.
Speaker 4: So of course at that at.
Speaker 3: That time, I was exactly a nerd.
Speaker 2: I am.
Speaker 3: And because you said this, Paul, okay, how about this,
here we go.
Speaker 2: Come. Is he gonna roll his pinball machine into the shot.
Speaker 1: Or his unmasked tattoo?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 4: Wow? Wow? The fall guy?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, do you remember what his name was
on that show? What Lee Major's character's.
Speaker 8: Name was, Colt Stevers Cold Stevers, the Unknown, stunt man,
the Unknown.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my brother was like, that's a cool name. I'm
gonna name my son that someday. He's like seven at
the time. He's telling me his name, his son Colt
Steevers Cold Steebs cuts.
Speaker 4: Awesome.
Speaker 10: No, I had a daughter.
Speaker 2: I think, like you know, you say a lot of
people that checked out by that time. I think it
was more of the older the.
Speaker 3: Older crowd crowd.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if the Solo records didn't do it, I was
made for love and you did.
Speaker 1: I guess, like, can we just.
Speaker 3: Can we just there's a right way to answer this question.
Speaker 12: And this is a friendship test as to whether or
not I just fucking exit the show right now. What
the actual order of the Solo records from best to worst?
You know, because I I know what the correct answer is.
But this is my friendship test you all.
Speaker 13: It's like I think I do too, But I'll give
you a Peter Christmas record is last.
Speaker 8: T I'll take the plunge and go first if you
want me to. I'm gonna go Ace Paul Jean, Peter
that's my.
Speaker 4: Order as well.
Speaker 1: That's my order as well, although I really didn't know.
Speaker 3: Actually I'm gonna flip. I'm gonna flip Paul.
Speaker 1: Okay, there you go. Wow, Wow that is controversial.
Speaker 3: Yeah, great pop songs on that, you know. In my opinion,
and I'd love to know yours is my opinion, it
goes Ace, Jane, Paul Peter. Really see, this is the
for me.
Speaker 2: Ace is obviously number one, and that's not because I'm
a fucking Ace wonk and I have an Ace Fraily
tribute band with Chad. I really love.
Speaker 4: The mixer next year. Have you.
Speaker 3: Love Catalina's I have?
Speaker 2: I have trouble with the Gene and Paul one, and
I want to flip them sometimes and put Gene second
and Paul third, with Peter tied for third because I
think the Peters. I think the Peter Peter Christ solo
record is one of the most underrated fucking records they
ever put out. With the kiss logo on it is this.
Speaker 4: Alan like.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm looking for a gong. There's gotta be a.
Speaker 2: Run, right, dude. I have dead serious If you listen
to that record without the fact that you think you're
going to hear a Kiss record. It is a great
seventies pop record.
Speaker 12: Yeah, the songs kind of suck too, No they don't,
Yes they do, But when you were but.
Speaker 1: When you were nine years old? Did those songs suck?
Speaker 4: I listened to those records all day long.
Speaker 11: Hey, I Radioactive is one of my favorite.
Speaker 3: Jeans Jean's record.
Speaker 12: Look he to me on his solo record, he was
far uh more exploratory and doing more interesting things than
everyone else.
Speaker 11: Yeah, how can you not love living incident at the
Holiday Inn?
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, Yeah, I wouldn't.
Speaker 8: I wouldn't argue, Like Paul and Jean are really close
for me, I mean as a distant first and Peter
is a distant last.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't.
Speaker 8: I wouldn't argue with anybody putting Gene before Paul. I
just I have so much history with Gene. I will
always put Paul ahead of Jean. So if Paul Stanley
put out a song that said Paul Gargana sucks, I
don't like it more than a lot of stuff Jane does,
just because that Wow.
Speaker 1: I gotta say that that song Paul sucks is actually
a really good song.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you like to have a crush on Pandemic
Paul Stanley or something.
Speaker 1: Desmond Child co wrote that one, right, Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: That's a whole nother song.
Speaker 8: There, Paul Wax there, wow him than Vinnie Poncia?
Speaker 1: Oh sure? Who produced? Who produced a Peter Chriss record
and then went on to like have Peter not play
on the record he was producing for Kiss.
Speaker 8: Right, That's what happens when you produce a record, you
realize you don't want him playing on the next one
you work on.
Speaker 12: What when Peter, when Peter had his ship together everyone,
you know, Peter and Nace. You know, I've seen Ace
play solo and he really is the heart and soul
and the feel of that band, you know. And I
and I hate that they that the bands break up.
I hate I hate all the fucking Michigan with them.
They're just such an amazing band. And uh, you know
the debate between Dynasty and Unmasked. You know, it's actually
really hard for me because I really genuinely like both records.
Speaker 8: To one of the things for me that I think
has always fascinated me about the band. They always had
a reputation for being heavier than I think they ever
really were. In the non makeup era, they had a
reputation like they were supposed to be this hard rock
back then heavy metal band, but they were never really
that heavy. They had their heavy moments. I think what
especially going back to Unmasked quite more than two times
over the past couple of days, going back to that,
it's really not a bad record. It just I feel
like it's a poorly executed record because it kind of
stands on this island in the Kiss catalog where it
really sounded like they were trying to fit in with
that whole like soft rock.
Speaker 4: Mellow gold yacht rock.
Speaker 8: Now we call it yacht rock, but half that album
was a yacht rock record and it just didn't really fit.
Speaker 3: Fuck you, no, it wasn't. No, no, no, you don't agree.
Speaker 12: No, that's like you're saying right now, You're like, no,
there really are great records, but.
Speaker 3: Then you're shitting on yacht rock, which, by the way, no.
Speaker 10: I love yacht rock.
Speaker 4: I'm not shitting on yacht rock.
Speaker 13: Was a poorly If Gordon Lightfoot was sitting on my
lap right now, was there, It's a fucking sundown me
right in my ear canal brow.
Speaker 2: I need it.
Speaker 8: My point is it's not a well executed yacht rock record,
like it's you feel there's That's what my problem is.
Like I love yacht rock, it's not well executed. It
was like somebody else wrote it. The band wasn't feeling it,
and it was just kind of like, is it a
bad record?
Speaker 3: No, I think Gene was feeling she's so European. I
gotta be honest. I think he was definitely feeling in
that track.
Speaker 4: Pablo Cruz were feeling more than Kiss was back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's I mean, it's still it's still harder
than rock yacht.
Speaker 10: Rock though, like RB.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 2: Here's a here's a great comment from Here's a great
comment from the chat room. Scottie Strickland up in Canada.
Heather Thomas pink bikini and I'm done.
Speaker 3: From from ball good good call.
Speaker 4: You have a lunchbox. I wish I still had my lunchbox.
Speaker 2: Which covered you guys like.
Speaker 8: Better Dynasty is like I love Dynasty. It's a classic.
Paul's wearing the shirt. That's how I am wearing the shirt.
Speaker 2: Paul's like, you guys recognize this, and he's I've got
a tattoo exactly.
Speaker 8: I mean I have the Jean the Jean tattoo across
my left but cheek other than that.
Speaker 12: Right right right, I mean the kidd in me like
the Unmasked. Sure, yeah, yeah, appreciated for someone else.
Speaker 4: The fold out.
Speaker 3: The fold out was fucking killer. Oh yeah, yeah, they
both have.
Speaker 1: They both had awesome posters. You know, they both came
with huge posters.
Speaker 4: I kind of felt swindled by the Unmasked.
Speaker 8: It's like, you're waiting for this Unmasked and then it's
just haha, we're not really right.
Speaker 2: But if they can redo that cover now and instead
of with the cartoon guy in the corner saying I
still think they suck, have that Leo meme in there
instead of that cartoon guy, it would be fucking gold.
Speaker 8: Instead if Peter Chris winking, you would be flipping the
three of them off.
Speaker 10: With right right.
Speaker 2: Right, I mean a mass I mean that's the one
record they did not tour in the United States.
Speaker 10: Huge in Australia.
Speaker 1: Australia. Yeah, it was older than to put that on
the front cover, that that guy saying, I still say
they stink. I remember being a kid and going like
what the hell is this?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, that guy?
Speaker 4: Who is this guy?
Speaker 11: So hey, Paul, maybe you know this or maybe I
meant you know this? Was Shandy a bigger song in Australia.
Speaker 3: Or was I was Made for Love of You a bigger
song in Australia.
Speaker 4: I thought Shandy was huge.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm trying. Yeah, that's what I'm asking.
Speaker 1: Certain that's certainly. The legend is that.
Speaker 3: I don't know that I need to.
Speaker 12: I don't know that I need to care about that.
Speaker 3: Even though information, I'm just gonna forget it.
Speaker 1: It's not it's not going to add to your life.
Speaker 3: Because I was made for loving you.
Speaker 2: Were people like ship on that song that song comes on,
I fucking crank it up. I love it, Yeah, I
love it's it's he's doing a disco song.
Speaker 3: To me, there's something fucking rad about.
Speaker 1: That solo in that so brief, but it really takes
it somewhere. He's really good.
Speaker 2: But I do really like the the like the live
three version better when it's even fucking when it's really
fucking heavy, you know.
Speaker 1: But all things are a whole lot of higher. It's
it's way heavier.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I just looked by the way Shandy was top ten.
It went to number ten in Australia. I Was Made
for Love and he was number two. Okay, oh wow
in Australia.
Speaker 1: But the guy, now you can forget that information on
That's exactly.
Speaker 10: Man.
Speaker 12: I would have bet that that I Was Made for
Love You it was a was a bigger hit. But Australia,
you know, there's some bad that.
Speaker 4: But they go backwards in Australia. Don't take that's true.
Speaker 2: That's true. Point Well, let me ask you this. Do
you think that they did so well in Australia on
that tour had they gone there before that?
Speaker 1: I don't think that they went there. They went there
for Dinos for sure, they went for Thomas.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got I've got the bootleg of the Sydney
Show somewhere there you go.
Speaker 1: Who somebody google that?
Speaker 2: Who?
Speaker 3: Somebody?
Speaker 2: I'm on it right now.
Speaker 12: Exactly Who all of your friends is? People that you
know is the biggest Kiss fan. Because I know that
there's one particular musician Pals. I'm not great friends with him.
I've had some really fun times with him, but he
he surprised me. And I bet you we might all
know who I'm talking about, who I believe to be
the biggest Kiss fan.
Speaker 3: I'm from asign from Trunk, aside from Trunk.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a particular singer that that I'm thinking of.
Speaker 12: I'm gonna said, if we're going to talk about Kiss.
Speaker 10: That's an amazing person.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 1: I said that before Kill Keane.
Speaker 3: Easy for real. I'm going to have you on my show, dude.
Speaker 2: If you want me to, I'd fucking love it. It'd
be just.
Speaker 4: You can have Craig Simmons can debate battle.
Speaker 2: That would be hilarious or whatever. I was actually hoping
that Jericho would have me on when even though I
don't think he knows I does that. I do that impression.
But with him and Bass were having that fucking spat
on Twitter, that could have been funny.
Speaker 14: Dude.
Speaker 7: You want to have a fucking singing throwdown, dude, I
remember you, fucking Fozzy come on.
Speaker 3: Pretty good.
Speaker 2: You just need to start just doing voiceovers on videos
as fakes the bashing.
Speaker 4: Back to kill you.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, be about four days away if you start now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know right?
Speaker 2: Uh. I am not seeing okay, I see Canada, I
see us for Dynasty. I am not seeing any outside
of North America for Dynasty.
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's weird.
Speaker 11: Uh, I thought did they take the same.
Speaker 3: Well they use?
Speaker 2: Yeah, they used the Dynasty set in US for the
Unmaster in Australia because Eric Carr was playing on that. Remember, second,
did they change the name of a country just for
one moment in time so that Chad actually has the information?
Speaker 3: Is that possible?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: The names of them where they played.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe the bootleg is for a guy named Siddy.
Speaker 3: Maybe from Unmasked. Actually, yeah, that.
Speaker 1: Almo hast been going around forever, ended up on the
ended up on the one of the Cassology things that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. But it's funny me watching Eric play
the Peter songs then he just I'm sorry. Eric's an
amazing drummer, but Eric just didn't have that feel.
Speaker 1: It was different.
Speaker 3: He's a metal drummer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I like it.
Speaker 3: You know, it was hard.
Speaker 12: It was hard to adjust to any kind of change
in that band too, you know, you know, and and
I really had some to do some soul searching the
players that changed the makeup, and I'm like, this is
this is kind of fucked. Yeah, you know, all through
all through that.
Speaker 2: Here's a question I got from DJ Will. He just
texted me. He goes, did the pop aspect of Unmasked
versus the concept of the elder hurt Kiss both coming
off the heels of the success of the Dynasty release.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that they probably the Dynasty thing, as
big as it was, it sort of set them up
to kind of It's one of those things where you're
gonna lose your hardcore rock audience that was there, and
I think they lost them. And I think the young
kids probably, you know, like when you're a boy band
or something like that. I think, Oh my god, look.
Speaker 4: Who's the big guns are here? Look out, look at
this group these mugs.
Speaker 10: He sounded.
Speaker 2: He sounded all excited about the big podcast tonight that
on the other air today that he just couldnot resist
popping in.
Speaker 4: You set that plug up?
Speaker 2: I did not that. I absolutely did not. I mean
I wouldn't put that past me, but I did not.
Speaker 13: Are you Are you any Are you any drunk? Joining
is he show right now? Are you any drunk? Drunk
on your show?
Speaker 4: That show was fantastic, by the way, the master of
that I'm getting drunk and and just everything here getting
people to do stupid shit.
Speaker 2: Right right, and right now we're in the middle of
talking about just kind of roughly talking about Dynasty and Unmasked.
What are your thoughts on the two records before we
get into the song by song gimmick something.
Speaker 4: When I knew you were doing this, something jumped into
my head pretty quickly because it just shows how us
as fans know about and care about this stuff so
much more than the people actually made their records. Because
because Ace was on my show yesterday and I brought
up two thousand and man to him on the air
and he goes, ah, I remember doing that? Who produced
that record? Again?
Speaker 2: Like that?
Speaker 4: Like that's like not even a question amongst a group,
like who made the record? Don't even know who the
producer was. So that's how we piculous me.
Speaker 3: Hold, your impersonation of Ace is still good?
Speaker 2: Can you just do me? This?
Speaker 3: Is this look like my dream come true?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 3: Can you do Sebastian and Eddie?
Speaker 2: And can you both get into an argument about some
random kiss topic?
Speaker 7: Dude, Dude, that solo you did on fucking Rock and
Roll All Night was amazing. It was fucking great, dude,
But it was just on the live record I don't
know why you didn't do it on the studio record.
Speaker 4: Who the fuck is this guy? Is he fucking all
the spread? Who the fuck is this guy with this?
I don't even know what jammed up, Curly dude.
Speaker 2: What why?
Speaker 1: Why?
Speaker 7: I just don't understand why there was no solo on.
Speaker 2: Rock and Roll All Night on on on the on
the studio record.
Speaker 4: He argued with me about it. I know, literally argued
with me that there was a solo on the studio
version of Rock and All Night. And I'm saying, no,
there's nice. I know I did one. I go. It's
on on the record.
Speaker 8: It's not addressed to anyway to answer you, you didn't
make the record, kind of like Peter on Psycho Circus.
Speaker 1: We're not saying you didn't play the drums.
Speaker 4: We're just saying my thoughts on those two records. Thought
answer your question is I like them both. I think
that Dynasty gets unfairly pigeonholed as a disco record when
I don't really think outside of a song or two
it is. I think there's some actual, like some pretty
meaty kiss stuff on there that gets overlooked. It's savior
Love has got one of my favorite ever A solos
in it, So I like, you know, magic Touch one
of my all time favorite Kiss songs on it. So
I like the record and as far as I Unmasked
is concerned to me, un mask is a really good
power pop album. If you like power pop, and I do.
I think it's a really good power pop album. Is
it a great prototypical kiss record? No, but for what
it is, it's a very polished, slick sounding, poppy pop record, and.
Speaker 2: I like it.
Speaker 12: This is what drives me crazy, is like Kiss made
the records, so it's a Kiss record. If they want
to explore different sounds, I just I take it for
face value, Like is this if?
Speaker 2: If do? I do?
Speaker 3: I like these two records. I like them a whole
fucking lot.
Speaker 2: There are some other records that the Kiss made them,
Like yeah, no, that's that's an adult diaper filled with
adult poo, right, But honestly, like it is, look is
Cardivals Cardinals a Kiss record.
Speaker 3: That's pretty terrible? Which one shot Carnival Souls?
Speaker 2: See?
Speaker 3: You don't even know the fucking album?
Speaker 4: I like stuff on that record?
Speaker 2: You really?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I really do?
Speaker 2: Yeah, But it's not a Kiss record.
Speaker 4: The core the title track I love. Well, there's a
ton of records that they didn't actually play on. Say it, Dad,
the records you're debating the drummer wasn't on.
Speaker 3: I don't know, it was questionable.
Speaker 12: I think about when I think about Gene and the process,
and I think it probably varies from from record to record.
Speaker 3: And for some reason, I just go to I go
to him.
Speaker 12: He's like, my he's my favorite Kiss member, right, and
and I'm like, I like all of them, and I
like the original line up the most, and I wish
they never broke up.
Speaker 3: And you know, and I love the band, but you know.
Speaker 12: Looking at their success and how they would approach things
when you know they're a huge group.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I kind of view it weirdly, and I don't know why.
Speaker 12: I kind of I view everything through the eyes of
what I imagine Gene is thinking.
Speaker 3: For whatever reason, I don't know how that happened.
Speaker 2: It's all like, if you like, it's a conversation of
we're going to go after this market share. So a
part of me like the business mindset of being in
a group where your your rock and roll superheroes and like, Okay,
what are we going to do? Next.
Speaker 12: So they I think that they had all of these
other things that they were contemplating before just making music,
because they were a very different kind of band, because
they were more like a machine.
Speaker 3: They were they were a business. They understood all those things.
Speaker 12: So they were all of these considerations that I kind
of find fascinating from record to record to record, and
then I think certain records are all about the music,
and then others are all about honestly like a social experiment.
You know, in some ways that's just all in my
own head.
Speaker 8: That's that I actually that was something I was going
to bring up too, because I agree with you completely.
But I also think one thing that has to come
into play when we're talking about this whole Arrow's Kiss
is the fact that this is where the wheels were
falling off.
Speaker 4: I mean, it was a disaster. It was exactly.
Speaker 8: This was like the wheels were off and these bands,
I mean, Unmasked, they weren't even writing.
Speaker 4: So it was like, and we're all.
Speaker 8: In the business enough to know that when one guy
in the band appears on a song, that means he
might have walked through the room to get to the
bathroom while it was being written, and like they didn't
even forget to play on the record Unmasked. They didn't
even write the damn records. So it's like that they
were such a train wreck here. I think that's also
why we.
Speaker 10: Have what we have.
Speaker 8: They could barely keep it together to be a band,
let alone put out a record. And I think that
comes into play for this the Elder, all this whole era,
the solo records.
Speaker 4: I mean they could, We're all the solo records in
that direction, started.
Speaker 8: It in Solo records, Dynasty, Unmasked, Elder, and then finally like, okay,
maybe we should try to get our suit together and
take our makeup off.
Speaker 12: I mean, does somebody have the actual answer as to
the the impetus for the solo records. I'm sure it
was something probably pretty basic of like, well I'm the
most popular member and kiss I'll show you.
Speaker 2: Well I think it was. I think it was As
and Peter, who are just gonna say fucking and leave.
Speaker 4: They were all hating each other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they just hated each other and it was abandoned.
Speaker 3: That wasn't one.
Speaker 11: Wasn't that a bill of coin decision for them to
instead of breaking up to make that to go off
and makes all the records and try to blow some
steam off.
Speaker 1: Put the same covers on it, you unify them and
make four times the money.
Speaker 4: Remember, and it was coming off the movie, which was
a disaster.
Speaker 1: Another disaster, a disaster unless you were like my at
my age, it was the best thing in the world.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, By by the way, for Halloween, we are
going to do a watch along with that movie on
the show.
Speaker 10: Oh hell yeah.
Speaker 12: The fight scene in slow motion, can we all agree,
is maybe one of the greatest.
Speaker 4: Here's the thing that I'll say, and I've said this
a lot too. For all the credit that Kiss get
for being innovators, if you really look at their entire history,
there were many times when they were just as they were,
totally guilty of being followers and following the trends and
trying to jump on what was happening at that time.
And when you to me, when you look at Dynasty
and Unmasked, Unmasked is a director reaction to Dynasty because
I lived through that era. I mean I was very young,
but I lived it and I can tell you that
I know exactly what happened. So they have the big
hit with Dynasty with I was made for Loving You,
but it created this false illusion that they were suddenly
going to get all this radio playing these and the
fans were still there. They weren't a huge amount of
the fans abandoned them for Dynasty, but it was brought,
but it was made up to some degree by young kids,
little kids, young people. That was the transition to kiddie bands.
That's when they became the kittie band, right. And then
they had that little taste of success with a big hit,
which was a disco song with a totally different audience.
Unmask comes around, they chased the pop radio thing even
more that they don't have a hit America, and that audience,
who was only there for the one song leaves and
then the gaping hole presented itself of holy shit, we
lost the pop fans and our entire fan base is
alienated and that's why you didn't get you got one
concert tell the Masked tour in America, which I was
at the final nail on the coffin and put out
the elder Yeah right, I graduated. I graduated high school
in eighty two. I say this all the time. I
would have physically gotten my ass beat if I was
in sixty two, because eighty two. Think about the years
I proudly proclaimed a Kiss fan in high school. The
elder unmasked Dynasty. I mean, it was ridiculous, the abuse
I took ed.
Speaker 3: Where was the one show on mass show that they
did in the.
Speaker 4: US July twenty fifth, nineteen eighty It was Eric Carr's
first ever show. It was at the Palladium And you know,
a year earlier I saw that do Two Knights in
Madison Square Garden and the Dynasty tour. A year later,
they're playing a three thousand cap theater and that was
the only American show they used the same same stage,
in the same costumes as Dynasty. Yeah, it was there, really, Yeah,
they had to scale the stage way back because it's
a much smaller place. They played that show and then
they went, Oh, the really bizarre thing with that whole
era is couldn't get arrested in America. One show in
a theater to introduce Eric, and then they went to
Europe and other parts of the world in Australia and
it was stadiums, Like there were hints on unmasks in
other parts of the world. But so really weird time.
Speaker 2: We kind of talked about that before. I'd love to
hear your thoughts on this. Do you think that they
were those shows were so huge in Australia's because they
hadn't toured there before.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I honestly don't know, but I'll say
this the other interesting thing. And I talked to East
about this a lot. He was so unhappy at that time,
but he never had more involvement in Kiss. In terms
of songs, he has more songs. He has more songs
on Dynasty, I think than jes.
Speaker 3: Fantastic Dumb.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, Unmasked too, He's got tons of songs.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Torpedo girl. Here, let's do this. I I might as
a heart out in twenty minutes. So let's do the
sideway before you before you jump?
Speaker 3: Hey, and do you remember the setlest from the unmassout
in New York?
Speaker 4: I mean, did they do anything off?
Speaker 3: Did they do anything off Unmasked?
Speaker 4: I mean, look it up, Yes they did. They did.
They did talk to me, I think they did, and
they did you know what they did, which I think,
which I think is probably the best Gene song of
the two albums. But surprisingly they did your all that
I want really really, huh, that's weird. Yeah, I love
that song.
Speaker 2: Actually, we have this question from Jefferyl Lee Roth in
the chat room. He goes, is he please ask what
wasn't aired from the Amet Zappa episode with Eddie Trunk.
If everybody doesn't know, Ahmed has a great show called
Rocktails on Serious XM, you all need to check out.
So what wasn't aired from the Ahmet episode with Eddie
Trunk and Wyatt took so long to get released? I
want it uncensored.
Speaker 3: Well, let me let me tell you.
Speaker 12: So, Eddie did a huge solid so you know we
were when we were just talking with serious.
Speaker 2: You know, Eddie, I was Eddie. Look, we're we gotta
try to figure this out, would you?
Speaker 3: Would you mind? You know he's an.
Speaker 2: Ally, He's a guinea pig for for this night. So uh,
we we all.
Speaker 12: I think we talked about so much stuff, but we
drank so much and ate so much fucking food afterwards.
Speaker 2: I'm not avoiding the question. I can honestly tell you
I have no.
Speaker 3: Fucking I.
Speaker 10: Mean, do you?
Speaker 12: I mean we I just remember laughing so hard at
your impersonations. That's why I'm stoked that you did your
ace impersonation tonight with your critic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and your critic on that was fucking unbelievable.
Speaker 4: I don't remember any of it, so I honestly I could.
I could tell you were drunk because you were so
hopped up and fucking excited.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that was that is.
Speaker 4: I wasn't drunk at the start. But you got to
remember whatever you heard in that thing. What whatever forty
eight minutes you heard over the air. We did that
for like three hours.
Speaker 2: So basically he asked you four questions and it took
you three hours to answer all those questions. No, no, no,
I'll just buzz your balls.
Speaker 3: Pretty casual fun hang yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 12: We were fucking around, but I gotta say we we
we broke out the good stuff.
Speaker 3: We had a normal conversation.
Speaker 12: I mean when rocktails is all about drinking and kind
of like this, you know, yeah, yeah, did around half
a conversation, have some cocktails. That's fun and and there is. Personally,
there's no one more fun than hanging out with Eddie.
He's he's got an encyclopedic mind for all things rock
and roll.
Speaker 2: But you know, Eddie, you rarely cut loose and you
fucking never do impersonation.
Speaker 3: So all I tried to do was my whole ball was.
Speaker 2: To get you to be not you.
Speaker 4: And I think what you were pouring in that glass
that night then.
Speaker 3: Hip, all you woke up, it was just a tip,
but your butt was bleeding.
Speaker 2: I just like, I just like busting Eddie's balls because
the first time I interviewed him, I used to work
for the write for this magazine, and I think I
asked him nine questions and uh, it was about an
hour and a half long, and I had to get
that down to two pages worth of print. I had
material for a year.
Speaker 8: When I did the two Coins podcasts a couple of
months ago.
Speaker 1: Like in the middle of COVID, Jericho was giving me ship.
Speaker 8: Because He's like, they asked you literally one question and
you talked for forty five minutes. I'm like, what, don't
ask me what happened with Metal Edge because I've never
told the story before. So I decided to tell them
the story of what happened with Metal Edge?
Speaker 11: Oh, what happened with Metal Edge?
Speaker 2: All right, let's do this. Let's let's go side by
side track to track Dynasty Track one I was made
for Loving You versus is that mast track one is
that You?
Speaker 1: Is that You? Was a great song? Who wrote that song?
Nobody in kiss wrote that song, McMahon.
Speaker 2: That's why that trumps here. So I don't have to
know that.
Speaker 1: There's a cool on the demo for that song or
the original version of that song on YouTube and it's
a great song, like just the original version.
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, I think he wrote didn't he write that?
Guy also wrote the song that was big on the soundtrack.
I forget what it was.
Speaker 1: I think you're right. I think it was the Lost
Boys soundtrack?
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, which one was it?
Speaker 2: Like the the the Barbarian saxophone players.
Speaker 4: It was a really good song. It was a very
dark song. It was like a semi It.
Speaker 11: Was that guy was gonna play for Tina Turner, by
the way, Guy, it was a little really.
Speaker 2: Yeah, did a great cover that by the way, So uh.
Speaker 4: Manson, just cover that? Yes, yeah, you because we don't
know what day.
Speaker 8: I still don't know what day it is, but yeah, Manson.
Speaker 3: You ever done Lost Boys song?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: What's the man? Cover is that You?
Speaker 10: I love to hear?
Speaker 2: All right, let's go, let's go around the table a
ed is that you? Or I was made for loving you.
I was made for loving you the better song. I
love that song, Chad, I.
Speaker 3: Don't think you can argue that. Yeah, I mean it's
it's that that's a testified hit.
Speaker 10: Yeah, Todd, I I love I was made for loving you.
Speaker 1: But because I've heard of the gazillion times in my life,
I will say I will always go for is that You.
I just think it's great.
Speaker 4: I think they did a great job of that song.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good song, Paul, you're completely well.
Speaker 4: Not even I was made for loving you.
Speaker 8: Yeah, best song on both album well, second best song
on both albums, Edward, here.
Speaker 4: We go in the song I like the most or
the best song, the song you like the most, like
the most?
Speaker 3: The two I love that you have both answers. Yeah, exactly,
completely fucking arbitrary. So let's hear.
Speaker 4: Maybe just because of the burnout factor, and maybe because
what it signaled, that's what I'm talking about the time
I'm putting is that you. I'm putting I was loving
you on the back burner and saying my personal yead
ask me you're trying to rather listen to you right
now would be is that you.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: Two thousand man versus Shandy two.
Speaker 1: Thousand Man, Well you're wrong.
Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, here's the thing I'll go.
Speaker 8: I'll actually I like two thousand man more, but since
it's a cover, I might actually give that to Shandy because.
Speaker 1: It's look Out, look Out.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm agree with me.
Speaker 8: I'll play the I'll disqualify the cover song. I prefer
two thousand and man, but it's a.
Speaker 4: Cover, so well, what that is that you?
Speaker 10: What is that you?
Speaker 4: I guess was technically a cover too, I didn't know
were but nobody knows.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but was it released actually before they did it?
Speaker 4: I don't know, Yeah, I think it was. I've heard
the original version right there.
Speaker 3: Where are you going with this?
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with with with Shandy and and mostly
because I'm just not everyone can beat up on me now.
I'm just not the biggest Rolling Stones fan. And I
didn't even know that, you know, going into when I.
Speaker 3: First heard that song when I was a kid, I
had no fucking clue.
Speaker 10: Yeah yeah, no, no nobody did.
Speaker 12: But fin reading that out also made me like, yeah,
that's I was like, I genuinely had the thought, well,
that's probably why I don't like that song. I'm just
not a kind of Stones fan, and everyone makes fun
of me for that, but it's just that's not my band, and.
Speaker 4: I'm fair enough. Shandy, isn't. I think Shandy should have
been a massive hit. I think it's a great pop song.
I think there's a great vocal on it. I think
the production is great. I used to play that song
when I worked in a record store for people, and
it would come on and people would always come to
the counter and ask who is that, and like every
housewife would want to buy it. So that song should
have been a huge hit for Kiss in the US.
For whatever reason, it wasn't. But it's a great pop song,
and I go Shandy.
Speaker 2: It's tough for me because being the Ace Wonk that
I am and two thousand and Man is the one
solo that I get to take and uh in the
act contribute to Ace Failey show. But I like the
I like the unplugged version better, and I think Shandy
is actually one of the best fucking songs that Paul
Ever was part of, and one of the best songs
Kiss Ever fucking wrote. So I have to go Shandy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I just discount covers like Paul said,
I can't. I can't always I'm never gonna. Really the
original has to really suck of something to.
Speaker 8: Be done, especially back then we've been getting this is
you and I meant that the thing we do every
Friday night, we have a zoom call Eddie, you've done
it too. Like we always get in this debate over covers,
and I think the thing in the seventies, a lot
of the covers it was more songwriting cools than it
was necessarily covers, because I think a lot of the
songs were in circulation with several people and they ended
up in several albums.
Speaker 1: It wasn't necessarily I'm going to cover this person right right.
Speaker 2: It was different versions, different versions, all right, here we go,
Sure knows something versus talk to me.
Speaker 3: This is tough. I think, Yeah, this is a tough one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, who are you going with first?
Speaker 4: Me?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: You sure know something? I think that's one of my
favorite Paul songs.
Speaker 4: Sure know something?
Speaker 10: Sure like that.
Speaker 1: Big, big old that's my you know how Paul's voice
sort of changed into the metal Paul. He still had
that big.
Speaker 2: Song that was that was Michael McDonald Paul.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I love that song. I love
it a lot of he ended up doing it. Did
he do that on the solo tour years later?
Speaker 3: Yes? He did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was great. Yeah, No, I'm gonna go with that.
I love talk to Me. I think it's one of
the like you know on Unmasked, it's kind of one
of the classic Kiss sounding kind of Ace songs.
Speaker 4: But right, I had a pretty big hit in Australia.
Speaker 2: Talking, Yeah, it was. It was Gargano.
Speaker 4: I'm going to Know Something, Chadwick because of the bassline.
Speaker 1: I'm going sure to know something, dude.
Speaker 4: I mean I've I've been even though he says, my boy,
I've been transparent about this my whole life. Paul has
always been my favorite member of Kiss and his songs
are always my favorite. And uh, sure Know Something by
a Mile, I just you know, I love the poppiness
of Sure to Know Something juxtapost against the crashing power
chords in the chorus. That to me just is what
I freaking love in music and in Kiss, when Paul's
voice soars over those power chords and the guitar solo
played by Paul Stanley. Yeah, that so absolutely a great solo.
It's a great song.
Speaker 8: Like Eddie mentioned, this before the Power Pack aspect, Power
Pop aspect. I feel like, sure know something is is
like really it's Paul at his best in a lot
of ways, and at its best. I look at talk
to me is kind of like I'd rather listen to
the Knack. I mean, it's just that's you know, it's like,
that's not an insult. I like the Knack, but it's
just that's I just feel like that's kind of just
how a lot of unmask left me. I'd rather listen
to something else. It's not bad, it's just not great
weird ship talk in the Knock, Paul, I I like
the Knack.
Speaker 1: It was the first record I ever got in my life,
was NICKA Get the Knack.
Speaker 10: That was next week.
Speaker 4: It's the Knack versus Unmasked. Yeah, right now, what I
said to Todd, don't you feel like we're in the
Bootlegger right now?
Speaker 1: I know, I know they closed down, they closed down
restaurants and bars around us talking this ship just like
out sweeping and we're still talking about I think it's super.
Speaker 12: Interesting that that the four of you, because I haven't
heard your answer, is he are just how you all
are so fucking wrong? It's just so interesting because talk
to me, because fucking it's an Ace song and it's
yea and by the way, you're like, it just sounds
like the Knack.
Speaker 3: Okay exactly, I.
Speaker 8: Said, it sounds like mediocre knack. O.
Speaker 4: Well, I would rather listen to the Knack.
Speaker 3: So like, you're a super douchebag for saying.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, you didn't right for roly Stone, Just.
Speaker 3: Talk to me.
Speaker 2: I I have to go with sure know something. Look,
obviously Ace wonk YadA, YadA, YadA, Ace Apologist, YadA, YadA, YadA.
But I think at this is the point where Ace's
songs got wordy and trying too hard to rhyme, and
uh it's just as it is. The worst rhymey song
the kids ever did is Room Service.
Speaker 10: I'm a lucky it's a great song.
Speaker 13: I think that this has actually better lyrical content than
Room Service.
Speaker 4: Does anyone ever listened to Kiss for lyrical content?
Speaker 3: No, that's a good point.
Speaker 1: You don't Kiss record because they're cheesy.
Speaker 2: Come on, jesus. Yeah, So I have to go with
like a hot knife through butter Naked City versus Peter
Chris Dirty Living.
Speaker 3: We're going I'm.
Speaker 4: At I'll say, I'll say Naked City. I like wrote it.
Speaker 1: I really liked her to live in. Actually think it's
pretty cool. So I always love Peter's voice.
Speaker 3: I think I think it's one of Peter's best songs. Yeah,
but I gotta go Naked City.
Speaker 12: Naked City, Yeah, I like, I like, I like Gene.
I like when he when he takes over the mic.
So yeah, that's same.
Speaker 1: I can see Ed just like making it. You're like,
you're like like Johnny Cochran, You're ready to go out
and make your case.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, Ed, I'll let you think about
it for a second, and I'll go. I think Dirty
Livin would have fit better on Unmasked, and I'm gonna
go Naked City.
Speaker 4: I go naked. I'm going Naked City. I think Dirty
Living has too much of a discoy field. There's like
this synth line that runs to it. I don't that.
I don't like that. That's not all right. So Naked
City I go.
Speaker 1: Is Peter Chris is Peter Chris on drums on that
song that might be the one song that he is.
Speaker 4: It Lester.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, he drums and lead vocals on a
new song that was like an old song.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, there you go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, here we go. Charisma versus Tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Tomorrow, I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say Charisma Christmas one
of my favorite Jeen songs. Really, I mean, that's that's
a giant list, but I really the solo band that
he did a couple of years ago was doing that
stuff and I was like yes. I was like, so yeah,
I'm any Chrisma. That's a great song.
Speaker 4: Wait is it tomorrow or is that what makes the
world go round? That's next? Oh, that's Nextly I slipped them.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm grad Chrisma.
Speaker 2: Oh ship, yeah it is. It is what makes the
world go round. I'm sorry, I I skipped that one.
My bad.
Speaker 1: Christmas still wins for me. Christmas?
Speaker 4: Wait, what are we doing now? What I mean? I'm
I'm always Paul all the way. What makes the world
go on?
Speaker 2: What makes them?
Speaker 8: I'm definitely what makes the role go around is one
of my favorite tracks on Unmasks.
Speaker 4: So I'm gonna go that. I like that one. Charisma
is a cool song. And Charisma was I think the
second single from Dynasty and I have a Dance twelve
inch extended remix of I was made for Loving You,
and I believe there's one that was.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you said dance remix after you said
twelve inch Hey, good thing?
Speaker 4: Are you even wearing pants during this?
Speaker 12: I'm sure, I'm I'm I'm still Charisma is still my choice.
I mean, right between the well, here.
Speaker 2: Let's do this because you have to. You have a
heart out in four minutes.
Speaker 1: You Charisma as well?
Speaker 10: Yeah, okay, there's more.
Speaker 12: There's more songs on Unmasked, right, And I think they
if the the idea of like, which one is better
between Dynasty and Unmasked, and I think the idea is
that supposedly going into this, somehow Dynasty is a superior
record to unmask I actually disagree. I think I'm perfectly happy.
I'm happy with both of them because I think they're
great records. But if i'm, you know, trying to be
a contrarian, if everyone's gonna be like Unmasked is somehow
an inferior record, I say fuck you, and I'm going with, well.
Speaker 1: Here, let's settled a knife fight at the routs parking
rock and.
Speaker 4: Roll routes, Like right, well, how about how about we
do this what's fine is we won't be the only
knife fight there.
Speaker 1: It's a regular knife fight.
Speaker 3: What are you guys fighting about? Like, you know argument, Yeah,
they're fighting.
Speaker 8: About versus like yeah, enough enough versus jet Boy.
Speaker 3: Like I'm ready, all right, I bet man, let's do this.
Speaker 2: But motherfucker, I'm gonna finish these two records with you
and then we can go on after the break and
finished our comparisons. So I'm gonna go We'll just do
this quiz round style. So we got Tomorrow versus Magic Touch.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go, uh tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Okay. Wow, two sides of the Coin versus Hard Times
Paul g Ace versus Ace.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's a tough one.
Speaker 3: Hard Times, I think better.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a hard one at all.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 11: Yeah, actually I've got two sides.
Speaker 2: Wow, okay, just chat, Just hold on to that for
a second. We got X ray Eyes Jeane versus She's
So europe Yeah, that's like, that's like I actually that's
like Sophie's choice. That does it gets God's joint for
me European.
Speaker 12: But X ray Eyes is it is a really interesting
I hate to say that because I think it contradicts
the fact that we picked Unmasked. I think if we
listen back to which songs I'm picking, I might have
already maybe agreed or disagreed with myself.
Speaker 2: That right, he might be the better record.
Speaker 3: But uh, fuck, you're you gotta go European? Come on,
I love that song? Is am I getting this right?
Speaker 12: Doesn't Jeane hit like one of the highest notes he's
ever ever hits the back end of that track, which.
Speaker 3: Is an unbelievable vocal. Yeah, it is. It's one of
the best. You know, such a solid vocal on that.
Speaker 4: X ray Eyes he hits high at the end. That's
what you're talking about. No, we're talking about right, because
of x ray Eyes too at the end on the Faith.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna call the call to draw.
Speaker 2: Ah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 12: It's all honest answers X ray As. I think it's
a really kind of cool production.
Speaker 1: I like.
Speaker 3: I like how it's produced.
Speaker 4: I like it's way more gene like too.
Speaker 2: Easy as a scene, easy as a scenes versus savior
love fave your love. See there, you just destroyed yourself.
Speaker 1: You played yourself son, all that it is.
Speaker 2: Six fifty nine. You have a heart out.
Speaker 15: There's two under songs on the fucking the other record.
I know, but right, girl versus you know all that
I want, they're both. I picked them both because they're
on that record. Guys, Eddie has two more songs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, Yeah, there's nine tracks.
Speaker 4: On nine tracks on Dynasty, yep.
Speaker 3: And eleven on on un Masks.
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so happy we did this. I Isy, thank you for
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Speaker 12: Be kind to one another. Everyone is it's a weird
fucking time. We're all gonna get through this. Music is
gonna come back. And I so greatly appreciate these manversations
with me.
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Speaker 3: Okay, Well, and you're you're welcome anytime, you know.
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Speaker 3: Wait, do you see it? We're gonna enjoy it, I'm
telling you.
Speaker 2: All right, So we left off did we leave off
at Magic Touch?
Speaker 3: Magic Touch?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 4: I saw what makes the world go round? Was the
last thing?
Speaker 2: Yes, so track five? Track five, So it was, yeah,
charisma versus what makes the world go round? Right now?
Speaker 3: We already did charisma.
Speaker 4: He did that one.
Speaker 3: We did that one.
Speaker 1: I was definitely charisma, I know. Yeah, we already did
Magic Touch.
Speaker 4: Too, did we? No?
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, I'm sorry, I already did
Magic Touch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because I think we only got through the
four and then I'm had a bounce, so we just
did the final Yeah, so it would be charisma versus
what makes the world go round?
Speaker 1: Oh, charisma for me, Charisma for me.
Speaker 4: These guys are what makes the world go around for me. Yeah,
I think Charisma is a cool gene song. But I
what makes the world go around? Just because I always
like fall songs better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that that is definitely a better, better song.
Speaker 3: It's a great it's a great song. That's a tough one.
Speaker 4: Is there's a part in that song too, like after
the bridge whatever to you and then and then it
goes into that part liked so I like when there's
the poppy stuff and then there's that old there's some
Kiss guitar crunch and I.
Speaker 1: Love totally totally agreed.
Speaker 2: Dude, here's a here's a great fucking line from the
uh from the chat room sledgehammer. Checking in as an outsider,
I can see Kiss fans are unanimously, unanimously wrong about everything.
You and my friend get the Pat Fontaine laugh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a segment of people that think
we're wrong for liking Kiss, you realize.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 2: Now we got Magic Touch versus Tomorrow, I'm gonna.
Speaker 1: Say magic Touch. She's got them. That's that big old
Paul Stanley boys.
Speaker 11: Yeah yeah, I'm going Magic Touch too.
Speaker 4: I love Tomorrow because it's good power pop. But I'm
gonna I'm gonna make a what do they call this?
A hot take? A bold take? What do the kids
call this? I will say of the tire track listing
of both records, magic Touch is my favorite song.
Speaker 3: Wow Wow.
Speaker 4: Magic Touch is just everything I love about great Paul
Stanley's songs, huge power chords, the vocal, the breakdown part
when he goes into that falsetto and then Dan Danny
and then there's a little feedback then Dan Yeah, and
that's sick. Hey, I'll tell you a quick, quick thing,
please do so when kiss used to still talk to me,
talk to Ed, talk to head more specifically Gene and Paul,
more specifically Paul that I did an interview with them
for the first Kissology for VH one Classic. We did
it at Henson in LA and Paul was getting ready
for his solo tour at the time, and we were
taking a break from shooting and having something to eat,
and we're at the catering table and everyone's making a
little plate and I kind of said to Paul, I said, hey,
I'm excited about the solo tour. I really hope you
do some some you know, deep tracks, because there's some
great stuff i'd love to hear live. And he's like, so,
what are you thinking, And I said, well, I'll give
you he goes. He actually said, I swear on my kids.
He's like, give me some ideas. So I said, well,
there's two that come right to mind that I killed
it here and he said what are they? And I said,
I guess what you said?
Speaker 1: Can I guess magic.
Speaker 4: Yeah, A million to one Yes, bo spot On you
know me. Well, the funniest thing was Hean was standing
right there and he hears me saying this. He goes,
I don't know you these songs, and so then I
don't know what's gonna happen. I swear this story on
my kids, so I just say this. We go back
to shooting. The that tour plays the Irving Plaza in
New York. I go to the show. I'm in the
upstairs area, just out just where they've like a rope
with like dead guests and stuff, and show ends. This
show's over maybe all of three minutes. And this was
even at a point where I was like hot and
he was hot and cold with me. Like one minute,
I was he liked me. In the next minute, I
don't know what flipped and he hated me. So I
was this is Paul Yeah. So so I just went
totally as a fan. I wasn't looking for anything. I
wasn't even trying to get in the velvet rope area.
I was just hanging and a guy comes out who
was his tour manager and comes up to me goes,
you're you're ready, trunk, and I go, yeah, and I
don't know if he's gonna throw me out or what
was gonna happen. And he goes, come here, Paul wants
to see you. He was off stage all of three minutes.
He whisks me by everybody, family, friends, everyone, into the
dressing room. There's Paul towel around his neck. I'll never forget.
He was eating like a aluminum foil tin of some
sort of Chinese food or something. And I walk in
and he's sweating. He's just off stage and as soon
as the door opens, he just looks at me goes,
you got him. I told you you magic guts, sir,
o' fuckmin what do you think?
Speaker 3: And I was like I was like Ralph.
Speaker 4: Cranton and the Honeymoons. I'm like numb chefer and I go,
Paul was great, it was so cool you did that.
He's like, yeah, how did it feel?
Speaker 1: It was?
Speaker 4: He was like great, and then yeah, it was like
three minutes. And then I was like, look, thank you
for bringing me in. You got a lot of friends
out there. I'll let you see your family. The show
was great, and I left, but it's something I'll never
forget because I literally put those things in his head
and he he acknowledged it at that time, and that
that was like the second to last time you ever
talked to him. Memory, if you.
Speaker 8: Don't mind me asking not to like derail this, but
I've heard I don't never asked you why did he
get mad at you and stop talking to you?
Speaker 4: Oh God, Well, you know that's a whole podcast. That's
a whole podcast. But in a nutshell, Paul in a
nut and which I know because no one can figure
it out because I'm such I've.
Speaker 8: Heard you reference it a like I can point to
gene things with me, but I can't like, Yeah, that's look.
Speaker 4: Anybody that's being truthful here knows he's a very sensitive guy, yep,
to an extreme. And uh, I think it's a combination
of things, but predominantly the fact that with him you
have to be all in and on board with what
the agenda is on that time, and if you're a
dissenting voice and you question it or you don't agree
with it, you get painted as an enemy. And in
a nutshell, I've said countless times, a million times, I
have no problem with Tommy Fair, I have no problem
with Eric Singer. They're tru musicians they're good people. I
know them both. I don't blame them for having the gig.
I don't blame them for what they do. But as
a lifelong Kiss fan, that was a line in the
sand that I just choose not to go see it.
I can't look at another guy singing shock me. I
don't care dressed his ace. I don't care if it's
Tommy or or anyone. I just it's over for me.
So two thousand backed, I'm good. Yeah, that's all. I
don't blame them for doing it. People still want to go.
I don't judge them, but I can't that as a fan.
Everybody's got a line, and let's be honest, it's Kiss fans.
We've all accepted a lot.
Speaker 10: Yeah we really have.
Speaker 3: We're debating, n.
Speaker 1: Ed.
Speaker 2: All you gotta do to get back on is good
graces is just start retweeting his pandemic paulg fucking tweets
telling everybody to stay home and wear a mask, and
maybe he'll start to love you again.
Speaker 4: I can't. I'm blocked for real. Look, I got stories
for days that people wouldn't believe, and maybe some would
if they really knew them, and and it and I
got to tell you the things, including something extremely recently
that I could if I wanted to cause a problem
or just get headlines, I could say, you do, I'm.
Speaker 2: Not that guy.
Speaker 4: But just as they'll always be a special band to me.
And I say this all the time every band I love,
I I have an era that I didn't like, you know,
and it's and for most bands it's okay if you
say that for some reason. With Kiss, when you do,
you get painted as a devil despite the fact that
you support the hell out of them. So it's just
it's just that he's a really sensitive guy. But when
it comes to Aerosmith, you know, I love Aerosmith, I
hate just bush Play, you go on and on. I
love you, I hate misdemeanor. I mean, it's fine to
say that for most fans. For some reason, with him,
you know, if you have something that's counter to the agenda,
and you've got a pretty decent reach, it's not doesn't
fall in line with the marching quarters at the time.
Speaker 3: You hate just push playing more than Music from Another Dimension?
Speaker 4: Oh god, yeah, really, Music from Music from Another Dimension
would have been a good record. If they cut five
songs off of it. I could see that I love
legendary child on that record.
Speaker 2: Yeah, before we get back to kiss Ed thoughts done
with Mer's most underrated Aerosmith record, Is that a question?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just read the I just read the ted
Ted Templeman book, and he did that record.
Speaker 4: He was actually he was actually intended to do the
next record too from the vacation.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they you know history, right, you know the
history was made with the next choice producers. I guess is.
Speaker 4: I can't say it's the most underrated because I think
I like the record a lot, but I think that
Night in the Routs is way more underrated. And Night
in the Ruts is an amazing record. And I also
love Rocking a Hard Place, which is super underrated. That
period records, amazing record, that whole that whole era.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, really quick from the chat room, LORI busting balls,
he says, instead of shocked me, it's block me.
Speaker 10: All right.
Speaker 2: So now we go to hard Times, the two the
a song versus two sides of the coin?
Speaker 1: What was it? What was the second song?
Speaker 2: Two sides?
Speaker 1: Oh right, We had this conversation, I'm gonna go hard
Times by a hair with no explanation, with no exposition,
no further just hard Times.
Speaker 11: I'm going two sides of the coin, mostly because of
the drum break that is PRETI yeah.
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 8: I think hard Times is one of, if not my
favorite a song and Kisses catalog.
Speaker 4: I'm going hard Times. I love that song. That's a
good one, Edward hard Times.
Speaker 3: A guess what two sides of the.
Speaker 4: Again, Ace versus Ace hard Time? How it lines up
like that?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Is it?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: The Times? But you go in order.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I gotta go hard Times because, like again, two sides.
As fun as it is, it gets into that wordy
forcing a rhyme. Ace lyrics.
Speaker 1: You've given us a lot of thought. I appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do my best, you know. Yeah, that's what I.
Speaker 4: Like hard Times because lyrics. Like again, nobody listened to
kiss for lyrics. But Ace's story it's a street song,
you know.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now we got Gen versus Gene, X ray Eyes versus.
She's so repeated.
Speaker 1: I know what Chad's gonna pick, but I'm I'm x
ray Eyes is a great song. It's I think Gene
really sings it. Actually, Jen sings a shit out of
both those songs. But when Gene because you know, he
built that character and he has to sing in that
character all the time, but once in a while he'll
kind of step out a little bit, and that's one
of those ones. The solo album has a lot of
that stepping out right, and this one I think does too,
where he really kind of shows off a bit, which
I did well.
Speaker 11: I think that's part of what maybe part of the
problem with this record is you can't really see the
demon singing She's so European. Like it was right the
jexaposition on it was just fucked, But I'm still going
she's so European.
Speaker 2: Look before we move on to Paul, do you think
that might be the problem with these two records, is
you can't picture those characters singing those songs.
Speaker 3: I think it's a large part of it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, And I think I think it also goes back
to like the characters became bigger than the music. And
like I said earlier, this band This Is Kiss were
never as heavy as everybody thought they looked, and I
feel like the characters became bigger than the music for
some people.
Speaker 11: Well, and let's be honest, the characters are gonna outlive,
They're gonna keep going anyway they already have.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, they are going to be gwar. Who's under
the mask? All right, Paul, what's your choice?
Speaker 4: What were we doing again?
Speaker 10: Yeah?
Speaker 8: X ray Eyes, X ray Eyes, X ray Eyes. I'm
not I don't love European as much as everybody else.
Speaker 4: X ray Eyes also, X ray Eyes are very very cool,
a solo, very cool.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I gotta go X ray Eyes as well.
It's just I don't know, It's like so many of
these songs on Unmasked they sound like they're a fucking
B side in an eighties b cheesy comedy movie. It's
like they just sound like it.
Speaker 4: Was like from the last Weekend at Bernie Soundtrackers.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, God, even worse like Fraternity Vacation, but that
music was better.
Speaker 10: All right?
Speaker 4: So what do you do with the two songs left
on Unmasked? You put them against each other?
Speaker 8: Sure, yeah, we have one before then, right, but save
your love versus?
Speaker 2: Is it saying you are correct?
Speaker 1: That's tough.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: What's so funny is I'm actually doing a COVID video
very soon for easy as it seems, with some friends
of mine from Canada. Really yeah, yeah, that's a pretty
badass song.
Speaker 3: Actually it is a badass song.
Speaker 1: I kind of forgot how badass it was until you
had to kind of get into it, like you kind
of like, look at the song structured and this is
very clever. That said save your love.
Speaker 3: Right exactly. You couldn't have said it better for me.
Speaker 1: The Savior is another. It's it's one of those examples
from like you know, you get that little he dips
his toe in the pool with shock me on on
on Love Gun and then all of a sudden it's
Ace Freeley just running, you know.
Speaker 4: Solo album and then Dynasty.
Speaker 1: It's just like then you're just loading up the and
in many ways, those his songs are some of my favorite.
That's why I have to go with when we were
talking about two thousand Man earlier as a kid, I
didn't know what that was. I just thought a cool
last song about the future.
Speaker 2: Do you think that Do you think that's because A's
got a chip on his shoulder because his student, his
uh solo record did better than everyone else's.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but I think it's a very curious
conversation because he was a very prolific writer already with
Cold Jin and as strange ways.
Speaker 3: Just you probably know this. How pissed off was he
by this point, you kept.
Speaker 4: He wanted to leave. And the reason I brought this
up to him privately and publicly in the past, he
wanted he was. I mean, look, those seventy eight solo
records caused a lot of problems in retrospect because going
into it, there was a lot of divide and drama
and weirdness. And then the guy that the people had
the least expectations for making a good record makes the
record and has is the only one had to hit
and that blew his head up, and now I can
be a solo artist. And he was already thinking about,
you know, being disillusioned about everything. So I always viewed
his increased involvement in Dynasty and unmasked directly to the
fact that they wanted to keep them on the hook
and keep them interested and you know, feed them and
make them sort of an equal contributor vocally and writing wise,
to hold on to him in the band. And I
think that's what a lot of that was about at
the time.
Speaker 1: But Gene and Paul aren't dummies either. They know that
Ace Frehley was a very sort of like beloved personality,
so that when something like New York Groove becomes a
hit song, they go, well, we have to have him
sing more songs because they know him now, and we
can use that to our own benefit as a fourth
member of Kiss, as a fourth voice and Kiss really
so there's always that Beatles aspect of like there was
never really just like a lead singer and some backup guys.
There was always four separate entities. And when Ace finally
stepped out that way, he stepped way out, you know,
and like in many ways, maybe much further than anybody
else for.
Speaker 4: A minute, right and think about this, Think about this.
The cracks were really showing during these two records with
Peter unmask. He's basically out already the dynasty. He's hanging
by a thread. So Gen and Paul also aren't stupid
to know, hey, we may lose our first original member
and Peter, we can't lose half the band out of
the Kdols. So that was also like, let's keep feeding
some carrots to eights.
Speaker 1: And they're also smart enough to have Peter on the
artwork for an album he's not even involved in and
for all intensive purposes, was already out of the band.
Speaker 2: Even though he was in the video.
Speaker 1: Preachers phrase absolutely absolutely yep.
Speaker 2: So where do we leave off? I think, and Paul
haven't gone yet?
Speaker 18: No, yeah, go PAULI I I That's my Easy as
it seems is my favorite song on Unmasked, despite the
keyboards that drive me crazy every time I listen to it.
Speaker 8: I just I love Paul too much. That's I'm going
easy as it seems.
Speaker 4: Easy as it seems to get to what again, Save
Your Love? Save Your Love? Easy as it seems is
super discoing. I mean that baseline is soon disco. Yeah,
it's like a whole that's like that's really like out
there poppy disco y. The keyboards, I agree, are super
over the top too much. There's literally a keyboard break, yeah, song,
which is crazy. I mean again, Paul's vocal, I mean,
Paul was singing great during this time. All these records,
all his vocals on these two records are are just
so powerful and so great. But Savior Love is is
a really great song, a great lead guitar solo break
from me and you know what I love about that song?
Also is kiss didn't sing together enough for my tastes. Agreed.
And when you hear the chorus on that song and
you hear Paul really high in the mix and the
chorus going, I love that that.
Speaker 1: We always talk about that because you know how, I'm like,
uh in. You can hear Jeane Oliver Shandy in the
background too. It's like, I love when you can hear
the other guy's voices in the songs.
Speaker 4: And on the on the fan stave of your love.
And if you listen, because we're all geeks, at the
very end, as the as it fades out, you turn
it up loud and you hear Paul over the end
going say go love. He sings, He sings the lead
part right on the fate of the song. I wish
they did more throughout their whole career. I wish I
know they did it a lot, but I wish they
did it even more.
Speaker 3: They sound great together, I mean that was the thing.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Those those voices mended so well together, which
was part of the magic.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Man, man, you had a lot of hat changes.
Speaker 2: It's like, look at home, I brought home all these helmets.
Speaker 4: It's like it's like going to a share concert.
Speaker 2: Yeah bye bye helmless. When I was a kid. So
now we got the last two songs on on Unmasked
Torpedo Girl and You're all that I want, Oh boy.
Speaker 11: As cool as Torpedo Girl is because it's just so
fucking weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I gotta go with You're all.
Speaker 10: That I want.
Speaker 11: Paul's vocal on that is unbelievably good.
Speaker 8: We were talking about we were talking about aces, rhyming lyrics.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, You're all that. I want someone
by Jeans Chad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Jean's vocals what I mean.
Speaker 4: Yeah, although although same scenarios, save your little time in
that yeah yea and over the top too.
Speaker 8: Yep, totally, that's what I was gonna that's just Yeah,
you can go Eddie if you want. I was gonna say,
I I'll go the Torpedo Girl lyrics rhyme too much.
Speaker 1: It's like Doctor Seuss lyrics. I can't he.
Speaker 4: You know what.
Speaker 8: No, And I love Gene and Paul together. I'm You're
all ye You're all that I need.
Speaker 1: That's it for me.
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, same here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll have to go that way too. Although I
have to say, but Torpedo Girls definitely got a real
soft spot in my heart because I love when a skits.
It seems like that one's one of those songs where
they just kind of turned him loose, like I don't
even know if anybody else is in the studio except.
Speaker 11: Him and Antony went off the rails or on the rails, whichever.
Speaker 1: Like the riff is dope, and it's like you could
just tell he's that in the time of his life
and it just really translates.
Speaker 4: But yeah, and you can tell it's not Peter Chris
because there's double bass in there. Yeah, that's true. I
already said I love you all that I want. It's
one of my favorite Gene songs from that era. I
did see him do it live, which is crazy that
of the last song on Unmasked was one of the
two they did when I saw them at the Palladium
in nineteen eighty. So yeah, I like it. It's got
a pretty crunchy open and I love Gene and Paul
singing on the chorus, and I just I just think
it's a cool song. I actually just recently heard the
demo for it on on YouTube or something.
Speaker 1: The demo it might be on the vault thing.
Speaker 4: I don't know where it originally came from, but I
did hear the demo online and it was interesting to
hear the turns, the way the song evolved, But it
was I'll definitely go with that one.
Speaker 3: Who wrote that one?
Speaker 2: Uh? That was yeah? Ed tell us, tell us who
wrote this?
Speaker 4: That might be Gene and PONSI. I would think you
are correct.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 4: Thirty just found this.
Speaker 1: Check it out the cent list for the Palladium show.
You ready for this? You have time for this?
Speaker 2: Of course, we have plenty of time.
Speaker 4: Detroit pull jin Strutter doctor Luz that.
Speaker 1: It was the first on mat song. Oh they did
house Yeah, Firehouse talking. Who's your next?
Speaker 9: On me?
Speaker 1: You're all that I want so adds memories into two
thousand man guitar solo post Man I was made for
Loving You Love Gun Shut it Out, loud bass solo
into the God of Thunder drum solo into rock and Roll,
and then for encore New York Roof, King of the
Nighttime World and Black.
Speaker 3: Wow, I love groove in there.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you.
Speaker 4: Let me tell you something else about that show, having
been there and I have photos of this show. There's
one in my first book. It's a great shot because
you see our car very clear. That I didn't take it,
but it was with friends and they took the photo.
But they were using the Dynasty same stage, but the
Palladium for those that don't know which it's no longer there.
But it was like a twenty five three thousand cap
Beard in New York, right, and so everything had to
be way paired down. They didn't have the little stairways
off of the stage, off of the drum riser, but
it was the same look. It was all the same
Dynasty stuff. They could fit in there. Now everybody knows
that on that show Dynasty got a thunder, Jeane elevates
up into the rafters, sings the song from there comes down. Well,
it's a small place. There's nowhere to go up. You know,
there's not enough elevation to do that. You can't rig
that into the ceiling. So as an alternate, what he did,
and I will never forget this is they had PA
stacks on either side of the stage with a little
stairway up to the top. So Gene went up to
one side of the PA. So say, he's like stage right,
and he's doing the blood thing and the whole intro
to God of Thunder and then the song starts and
instead of going up, he had the harnesses on and
he was supposed to swing across the stage to the
other PA stack and land there and do his bit there.
He does the bit, he leaves, he swings, he goes
over to the other side, and he whiffs on the landing,
swings back and swings like a pendulum from in the
middle of the stage.
Speaker 3: That's great.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, man, I love it.
Speaker 1: Those are the Those are the risks you take when
you did that kind of ship in your show. You know,
it's like, right, yeah, right.
Speaker 4: There's some news there's some news footage on YouTube. The
local news here in New York covered that show, and
there was news footage of them just before they go
on stage and just you know, covering it out on
the street talking about it. And I remember it was
you know, there was a lot of excitement just because
first time you were seeing kiss with a new member
and uh, but it was the hardcorees that were in there,
and they they made a shirt that said I was
there with the with the s in was the kiss
Us and it just had the date of the show
on it. Those those are super collectible. I didn't even
get one, but John five probably has four of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably probably can account for all of them.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, dude, I find them on fucking eBay and
I buy him right now. When I talked John five
with them.
Speaker 2: So it sounds I mean it sounds like, you know,
going through track through track like we did. It sounds
like dynasty totally.
Speaker 1: Chat will fight you on that, But I will fight
you on that.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 11: If you track by track like we did, they're they're
actually well, I mean it's pretty close to me.
Speaker 1: It's pretty close. Yeah, it's pretty coquick and nect but
I think I give this light neck too. I mean,
for me, it was like we all talked about this,
you know, it's like, oh, they lost all their fans
and all. This was such a radical change. But I
was like nine or something like that, so so at
the time it was kind of like it was a
new Kiss record. It was everywhere, yeah, and and you
didn't really even have the wherewithal to kind of go,
what's with these like Vegas show Girl, Like you know,
the outfits are like super over the.
Speaker 3: Total share their total share outfit seventy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then like the Peter with the big fur
and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: But at the time you're like.
Speaker 1: This is completely acceptable. You're just like this is awesome,
you know, and then the next album it's kind of
like although although it was jarring to have lost Peter Chris,
I was also kind of excited about, like, well, who's
this new guy and what's.
Speaker 10: This going to be like?
Speaker 4: But I'm that guy.
Speaker 1: I was still there with Elder going like have you
heard this? To my friend? Where is everybody? Reaches in
the Night Creatures? The night day one I bought it
at the store. I was the guy that of course
who I am.
Speaker 4: Killers. Killers was a huge moment because of the four
songs on it. That I was again in line at
the Palladium to see Iron Maiden and there was a
record store around the corner from the theater and I'm
waiting in the line to go in and a guy
walks by with with Killers. You didn't know that album
even existed or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, yeah, And I was like, what the hell
is that?
Speaker 4: And he's like, it's a kiss record, there's four new songs,
and I swear like me and a bunch of people
on the line just broke right off the line and
went running over to Bim and then when you have
heard Nowhere to Run and Legend Tonight and all that,
you were like, that was the first sign that, Okay,
they're on their way back to being kiss again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, yeah, totally yeah. And they were not only that,
they were taking it up a notch or or a
few notches really, And I.
Speaker 3: Think Eric Carr.
Speaker 11: I think Eric Carr had a lot to do with that,
but because he was more of a rock like a
I'm not gonna say a bottom guy, but he was.
He was a bombastic sounding drummer, I think kind of led.
Speaker 3: To that going back to the heavy side.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was a very unique drummer.
Speaker 1: I was just Hea was on fire k on the
car in the car today, I'm driving and.
Speaker 3: That com parks fucking fed.
Speaker 4: It's bananas.
Speaker 1: Yeah. You're like, and I'm thinking, like, I've heard that
some on a thousand times in my life, but you're
like it comes on and you're like, oh, hell yeah,
I haven't heard this in a minute. And the verses
are pretty like, you know, normal high hat kind of
drum people. When he gets to that course, god, there's
a big and I'm like, well, what a very unusual
and unconventional drummer. But I think that really made them
their own band.
Speaker 2: Really.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like we've been doing that Bruce Cullick thing
on the cruise and we play nothing but non makeup kiss,
and you know, to guys like me who were invested
and and everybody present here, I came to think to myself, well,
I love all this stuff. Does anybody give a shit
if we play like, you know, all this crazy shit
and everybody you can't you can't dig deep enough, Like
you cannot dig deep enough. If we decided to find
like old like answering phone messages or something, we would
still win. It's it's you know, because you realize how many.
Because I'm of the age group where I was still
a kid when they had to make up, on where
the transition happened, where some guys, a lot of my
friends are sometimes five, ten, fifteen years younger than me.
Speaker 4: And they found Kiss in the MTV heavy metal days
where they were just another hard rock band that I
guess they wore makeup at one point, but boy looking
up his bitch and you know, or like or whatever
they were doing right now.
Speaker 2: Oh, they wore makeup at the eighties two.
Speaker 8: You know, and like I said, we were our age.
We came in right at the tail end. But also
you get someone like Jericho who swears they're better without
makeup than they are with makeup, and.
Speaker 4: Like, and he's not alone and there's a lot and
he's our age too.
Speaker 8: So it's just it's where you came in, at what
point in time that dictates how do you feel? And
like I said, Dynasty was the first Kiss record that
I owned as a fan because I didn't have to
go back and really discover it.
Speaker 3: It came out when you were actually buying the buying age.
Speaker 8: I was nine years old and it was like I
remember it at that point, it's not And again I
didn't have anyone older. No one introduced me to Kiss.
I had to discover them on my own. So you
know what here and I was made for Loving you
on the radio meant something to me because it was
not what my mom listened to.
Speaker 1: Well, they were still pretty dangerous too, because even in
like sixteen magazine and all that, when it's like Laife
Garrett and the base of your rollers and you're like
I just look by justtaposition Kiss was super dark. And
that's why I think that's like you say Paul that
their music seemed darker and heavier just by the way
that they appeared in the way that they presented themselves,
so to their credit one way or the other. In memory,
it's kind of like, like I've always I make I
make big, big claims about the Kiss first. The first
album to me has in retrospect become one of my
favorite Kiss albums, and I have a lot of conversations
about it. But he's like, but the temples are all slow,
the guitar sounds are too clean, and I go, yeah,
but eighty percent of that album could be played live
right now and they'd be like totally classic songs Kissing
Time and theme love theme from Kiss. So they only
two songs you probably couldn't play, and maybe, uh, what's
the other Sunday Driver one with a cover right, yeah, that.
Speaker 2: Was later on.
Speaker 4: I love Kissing Time. I loved their version of Kiss. Yeah,
but we added it.
Speaker 3: Real quick.
Speaker 4: Going back to Unmasked, So, I was fifteen when Unmasked
came out. I remember vividly my aunt driving me to
the mall to get it. And the thing that I
don't know if any of you guys realize about Unmasked
was that the rumor was the album was called Unmasked
because when you opened the record inside and the dust
cover would be the first picture of them unmasked without makeup.
So I remember getting that record and couldn't wait to
slip the side and open it up, and I remember
being really pissed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, to be fair, they do unmask that big
them take their masks off. It just happens to be
the same exact faces and the mask.
Speaker 4: And then the great thing about it is we all
know having if you lived Kissed in that era, that
you were complet completely crucified by people for liking kiss
So I love the fact that in the little cartoon
at the end, the guy says, I still say they
suck because that's all I heard in right, That's all
I heard in high school. And I was like, that's
kind of I kind of like connected with that.
Speaker 1: I thought that was pretty ballsy of them to put
that on the cover of their album.
Speaker 2: So the consensus is that Dynasty nudges out Unmasked.
Speaker 1: Unless your chat He'll meet you in the parking lot
at ralphs On with a knife. Bring your own knife,
b y b y okay.
Speaker 2: So before we get to the Ace record. I want
to go through the chat because I've been neglecting the
chat room. Jeffroy Lee Ross says, is he please ask
Paul if there's a relaunch day from that a ledge
on the calendar. Tell Eddie he rules, And what is
Chad selling smoked hams from Devil Crown.
Speaker 3: That's a good idea, right it is. I may need
your help on that one.
Speaker 4: I've been rocking the Devil Crown shirt. I just believe
it or not. I just got it, really so when
you gave it to me on the cruise, my friend Ron,
the photographer, took it and he's been holding it ever since.
And I just saw him for the first time the
of the day and he handed it to me. He goes,
you told me you actually wanted this, and I'm like, yeah,
I do and I and I saw it was your side.
Been rocking it right on.
Speaker 3: Thanks man.
Speaker 4: That's for the metal edged thing? Is he?
Speaker 8: And I is he's he's been pushing me. He's my uh,
he's my mickey in my corner, going Paul, you gotta
do this, Paul, you gotta do this. It's izy and
I have to have a few conversations we're gonna figure
something out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Brandonfield says, I.
Speaker 4: Will say that. I will say this.
Speaker 8: The it's not going to come back as a magazine
right out of the gates. It's just there's no right now,
there's I don't have the time, I can't. I refuse
to stop managing bands because I love it, so I don't.
It's not going to be a magazine out of the
gates because I can't devote that much attention to something
that honestly, no one sells magazines anymore.
Speaker 4: But we're gonna be.
Speaker 8: Able to do The goal is to be able to
do like on demand back issues, on demand annuals, stuff
like that. And then Izzy and I have been talking
about a few ideas to bring maybe a podcast something
with metal. There's a couple of different varieties of podcasts
we can do, but there's gonna be something happening I wanted.
My goal was to have a podcast up and running
about a month and a half ago, and I got
too big. A fell in my lap that I didn't
expect to and I spent four months attached to Perry Ferrell.
So that's literally all I did for four months. So
I'm kind of four months behind now in COVID, but
hopefully moving forward we'll get to something pretty quickly.
Speaker 2: Beautiful. Brandon Field says, sure know something is tonight. You
Belonged to Me Part two, and that being said, is
still one of my favorite singers. Drums on the unplugged
version made it even better.
Speaker 1: Yeah I would yeah, Eric Singer taking that up a
notch from Anton fake, I guess yeah. Uh.
Speaker 2: Scrolling through this okay, had that one. Scottie from Canada
says Dynasty is my first taste of Kiss. I was
made for love. You always see him to play on
the radios, went to and from the trailer during the summer. Hey,
you grew up on a trailer too. Welcome to my world.
Brother latch Emmer says, the Kiss universe is kind of diverse.
The fans come off as the fans come off as assholes.
I say this because they all say my favorite song sucks,
and no I'm.
Speaker 3: Not telling you what it is.
Speaker 2: That is actually a great point.
Speaker 7: Is that your favorite song sucks, dude, Dude, mine is
what's best In general?
Speaker 8: I mean, how many people when you're a big, diehard
fan of a band, how many people are like my favorite,
like the diehards.
Speaker 4: How many go my favorites the most commercial thing they
had at Ride.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't get that if you're a Van hale
and fan and jumps your favorite song or something.
Speaker 8: It's like, no, I'm I'm a Queen's Reck fan and
everyone's shocked because I have an operation mine crime tattoo.
I'm like, okay, but my favorite Queen's record Promised Land,
and no one will ever.
Speaker 4: Tell you that. Like that's so, It's just that's.
Speaker 8: When you're when you're die hard, you just you know,
like Eddie said, I think I think it was Eddie
someone else and I said, the burnout factor of I
was made for loving you. It's just like I'll never
get tired of that song. But you don't hear it.
You don't hear it that often. Actually, it's not like
rock and roll because you don't live in my house.
Because that's my go to kiss record. It's a great
sounding record. It's a great sound.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sonically it still sounds great. It's that song comes on.
I mean, it still sounds great. A rowback for me.
I just it takes me back to a place, you know,
And that's again I.
Speaker 19: Think throws down that song too, So it's fantastic.
Speaker 4: It's the quickest, little, tiniest little soap duet.
Speaker 1: You know. It's like and I'm like, wow, he just
slays for that like one half of a bar.
Speaker 11: It's just him reminding you how fucking grad he actually is.
Speaker 10: Exactly right.
Speaker 4: Then she mastered the video for that song and uh
and and uh cleaned up the audio and picture on it. Universal,
which owns their catalog now, is going through all their
artists old videos and doing doing bump ups to the
quality and the color color corrections and making the audio.
Speaker 1: Sound a little better. And you can see him there online.
Speaker 2: It's pretty cool, Scott, he says, sorry, is it was
a vacation trailer Oh so you were rich? Wow?
Speaker 1: Yeah he went from trailer park to rich.
Speaker 2: Yeah right right, all right, so.
Speaker 3: Hands and do you have hands in that hat?
Speaker 2: Yes? I do.
Speaker 3: Oh my man.
Speaker 2: It's from the Land of sky Blue Waters.
Speaker 3: But it's not I got you.
Speaker 2: It's to be a refreshing.
Speaker 4: Your stimulus money in action ladies. And there it is.
Speaker 10: And that was just for the hat.
Speaker 2: Dude. I hand painted this myself, can you tell? And
so we got about fourteen minutes to dive into this
ace Freely Origins Volume.
Speaker 4: Two, about thirteen minutes more than I need.
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna start off and say this, and not
because I'm a fucking ace wonker apologist. I really enjoyed
the record. I thought it was better than the first Origins.
I didn't like the Kinks cover, but I thought the dude,
the fucking Robin Xander doing thirty days and a whole
fucking ruled. I love the version of she. I love
how we worked the live version into the studio version
right before the look at that that weird breakdown. I
love he just he just made the ship his own,
even though it was still pretty true to the originals.
I dug it, I really dug it.
Speaker 1: I thought it was a lot of fun, and we
had some conversation about it earlier, doing stuff as like
obvious as jumping jack flashes a little bit kind of like,
but I think the fact that Leita's on it kind
of maybe go. It actually sounds like a like a
Runaways track or something almost right.
Speaker 2: But how cool would have how cool would have been
to have heard you I'm a bitch or do bitch?
Speaker 1: Interesting? Interesting? I just for what it was, I thought
it was pretty fun. I thought it sounds great. You know,
it's like a singing good times bad times is something
I never thought i'd hear.
Speaker 10: Yeah, right, okay, right, interesting.
Speaker 2: Interesting, and he played his fucking ass off.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I again. I you go into these things.
D's right, You go into these things. It's kind of
like cover records kind of have to expect them to
be something kind of a specialty, or not going into
it to hear like, you know, because it's not new
original music.
Speaker 4: You know, you're kind of what you're getting it, what
you're getting involved in. And I kind of went into
it this sort of like it was fun, you know.
I enjoyed it. I love the guy I love.
Speaker 1: I loved it. Who was all involved in it? I'm
not being really Canadian and polite.
Speaker 8: It was fine. I he did a good job on
all the songs. I just listened to it. I listened
to it and I went, Okay, that was fun. I
listened to another two times because I knew we were
doing this. I'm never going to go back and listen
to a cover record. I mean, unless they do something
like and again.
Speaker 3: Unless they do something interesting with it.
Speaker 8: I'm a big I'm a huge Queens REGs fan. Okay,
I love Queens. Reg they did their cover album and
they did what I said Ace didn't do. They made
every song their own, and honestly, I still can't listen
to it that many times because it's so it's so
just self indulgently Jeff making it Jeff's own that it's
annoying to me, and I'm just like, so, it's kind of.
Speaker 4: Just it's a cover record.
Speaker 8: Remember a while, I'll go back to the Queens reck
going and listened just because I run here again what
he did with the police or Pink Floyd or something.
But at the end of the day, I'm not going
I mean, if I want to hear Ace, I'm gonna
go listen to Ace. I'm not gonna listen to cover record.
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard the original version of Gonna Get
Close to You from Race Forward?
Speaker 8: Yes, they had, well, the original meaning the one that
wasn't Queen's rake exactly.
Speaker 1: The girl that bell it's a Canadian artist named Lisa
bel Bello. Yeah, thank you, but no, it's very close
in a different sort of way, but it is very close.
Speaker 4: But when when Queens took.
Speaker 1: That off and they were going like yeah, because it's
kind of like a Kate Bush kind of thing in Canada,
and they did a really great job of that.
Speaker 4: But yeah, now.
Speaker 1: I was talking about I think the name of the
album was Undercovers.
Speaker 4: I remember that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they did like synchronicity and some weird shit they gave.
Speaker 8: Yeah, And again it's just I love covers and I'm
fighting out one of my bands.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 8: I'm fighting with them because to get I want covers
from them, and we're going.
Speaker 4: Back and forth.
Speaker 8: But it's just like, I love covers, but I feel
like put one on an album in EP with best
like I just a full album of it.
Speaker 1: To me is just diver Down though, dude, that's a
long conversation.
Speaker 4: Diver Down boom, A long conversation for a short album.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, the conversation is longer than the record.
Speaker 1: It's an undeniably great record though, for what it is.
Speaker 4: I agree with Paul about East's record. I mean I
said that about covers records in general. I mean they're
the type of things I listened to two or three times,
and Okay, it's cool and I get what they did
and it's cool to hear that person singing that song
or this their spin on it. But It's never gonna
be a go to record for me. It's never from
any artists. It's never gonna be the one that I
go and grab and crank up and what have you.
So I love that Robin Xanders on it. I thought
it was cool that he did a thing with Bruce Kulick,
the two of them one.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I love that that he used as his touring band
to do that, that those guys are on there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, which is not a song, So that was
kind of cool that he did that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, So there's there's definitely cool stuff.
And look, Ace's voice, I think in the lot on
his recent solo records has been stronger than it's maybe
ever been, which is crazy. I think he's He'll be
the first to tell you he's not a great singer technically,
but for him vocally, he it sounds good and it's
fun and you know, it's Ace. I mean, he's got
such a strong character into what he does in his
personality that it's gonna come through on all that stuff.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 3: I thought the Animal song was pretty cool.
Speaker 19: There's some weird choices of songs. Well, that was kind
of my problem with the record. It's it's and like
some of them are too safe, and then some of
them are so out there that you're laughing that that doesn't.
Speaker 3: Make any sense at all.
Speaker 4: But what you know, I like the Mountain track. But
you're right, Chad, it's like half Lola good Times, bad
time stuff, you really know, Yeah, yeah, you know, really
well jump a Jack Flash and then half you know,
obscure songs Paul Revered, the Raiders, whatever. So I think
that's probably a pretty smart idea to keep people interested
in that poor Reverer song. I didn't know at all, right,
but the Mountain thing I thought him doing, I was like,
thank god, not another cover of Missisippi.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that was badass. I really, I really
actually did like the fucking we Got to Get out
of this place. I thought it was cool. That was
good because I love that.
Speaker 1: That's a great song.
Speaker 11: That one, to me, was the one that sounded most
like he was making it his own, even though it
was pretty close to the original, But it sounded it
sounded like it like when as did do you you
know what I mean? Yeah, it sounded like the original
kind of sort of, but he definitely made it his own.
Speaker 3: That was one of the ones that I was like, yeah,
you know what, this is pretty fucking rap.
Speaker 4: I mean, its distinctive. His voice he's got.
Speaker 8: There's some of the best vocalists, they don't necessarily have
the best singing voice. Ace has just such a distinctive
style when he sings that he's going to inherently make
everything his own, and that's that's what made the album
interesting to me. Yeah, he's a character. It's so, you know,
like he's sort of like when we were talking about
those Kiss records. It's like those guys all figured out
their characters, and although Ace is just being Ace, he's
kind of comes more from the school of you know,
I suppose Bob Dylan or Jimmy Hendrix, where they're not
thought of his vocalists, but they they have such distinctive,
distinctive thing and sometimes that's more important than being able
to sing, you know, like all the right notes and
all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: Eddie, actually, Eddie, now that you bring up Keith Richards,
when you were talking to Ace yesterday on the show,
he says, yeah, I hung out Keith Richards. Could you
imagine that conversation and that night A Railey and Keith
Richards in the seventies together. Oh boy, I wish you
would have went there. That was like, oh my god,
you have to ask him.
Speaker 4: I didn't even catch that. Actually, now that you're but
I will, I will say this. I will say this
that I did say to him yesterday on the air,
which is kind of true and crazy if you think
about it. So Ace was always the lazy fuck up,
won't do anything, won't turn into anything guy always painted
by Gene and Paul is the guy that's uncreative, can't
do stuff, can't get it together. Not uncreative, but you know, lazy,
can't get it together, but not interested in producing things,
can't won't show up for stuff. He's the only guy
making new music and putting out new records from anybody
of any era of kiss. He's mad.
Speaker 8: He's made more new music in like the last four
years then Gene and Paul have made combined in their career.
Speaker 3: But the new Soul Station records coming.
Speaker 4: Breath speaking of covers records, and also, and this is
probably why he's not gonna like. He doesn't like me,
but I don't care. You have a guy who has
clearly struggled tremendously vocally, but I'm going to tackle the
most difficult vocal stuff ever created. So as a result,
you get him dancing and scatting on the mic while
the people and the women in the back are the
ones doing all the heavy lifting closely. That's what's going on. Yeah,
I mean, whatever, man, that's just passion and have fun.
Speaker 3: I'm very curious.
Speaker 1: I actually admire guys for doing something that off the wall.
I'm gonna make a reggae record or something like that.
Speaker 2: It's like David Lee Roth wanting to sing Steelheart.
Speaker 3: You know I'm here, you don't you do not?
Speaker 4: All right, David Lee Roth trying to sing David ly Rod.
Speaker 2: Exactly again before we bounce U Laurie from Australia says
unmasked for me, of course.
Speaker 1: Of course that's really.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: Bruce from Canada, hold on, we'll play the effect for
you because is he Can you ask Eddie what he
thinks of the idea of Kk's priest. I know it's
off topic, but I'm wondering.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's an interesting conversation.
Speaker 4: I think it's great that that Rippers singing. I love
Les Banks is an amazing drummer, and I mean I'm
looking forward to it. We're looking forward to seeing what
he comes up with. I love k K. I love him.
He's a great guy. And if he wants to play
again and they don't want to have him back in,
I just can't wait to see what he does.
Speaker 1: Totally.
Speaker 8: I agree that is love the fact that Ripper is
doing it. I think that's I think.
Speaker 3: I think it'll be great, honestly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and if you think about it, if you want
to get technical, Priest is currently constituted. Unfortunately, it is
down to two members of the classic lineup. So the
disparity in terms of you know, classic members, if you will,
Priest has obviously Ian and Rob. Kk's thing is gonna
have Kk Ripper who did two studio records, Les Binks
who did some classic records. So if you really obviously
Rob is Rob and whenever you got the voice, you
got the voice. But you really it's not in terms
of like validity by members, not that far off because
sadly walk Glenn's going through YEA, right, you want to.
Speaker 8: Do that, like yeah, kisses Kiss is more legitimate than
Judas Priest at this point because they've got fifty of
their lineup and Priests have forty if you're.
Speaker 4: Yet, well, if you're gonna, Paul, if you're gonna look
at that, what do you make of Queen's right down
to two guys versus Jeff Tate? No?
Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely does anybody think that Tate is going to
re night with the guys that aren't in the band now?
Speaker 1: No question, no, no, just let absolutely not.
Speaker 4: Is not coming back. And Scott No, I talked to
Scott like a year ago, but I'm hearing some things
not great about you know, how Scott's doing, even though
he told me he was doing great. But I I
don't think. I don't know what's going on with Scott,
and I don't think de Garmo's coming back, So I
don't see that happening. But that would be crazy if
Kate did a band with DeGarmo and Scott right like,
so that's nuts.
Speaker 8: I mean, the reality is based on my conversations with
Jeff and I Jeff, Chris isn't doing it, so it
doesn't matter. I mean it was literally like, yeah, the
minute everything went down with Scott and Scott was out
of Queen's Rag, the first conversation was, wouldn't it be
great if it was Jeff I mean, Jeff and I
were talking not long after that and it was you
know you, Chris and Scott, Jeff's there, de Garmo's not
doing anything right now.
Speaker 4: He's just not doing it.
Speaker 8: And honestly, if he was to do something, I did
the last Queen's Reike interview with DeGarmo for the DVDs
with Jeff and Chris in the same room, and I
could tell you if he was gonna do something, he's
not walking back into a shit show.
Speaker 10: And it's a good show.
Speaker 4: I mean, he's he.
Speaker 8: Left because he wanted to get away from all that.
He's not going to jump into it now. I mean,
so it's it's a fun thing to talk about, but
it'll never happen, right, And there's no need for Jeff
to bring Scott in other than to say screw you
to the rest of the guys. And from a business perspective,
ultimately someday they will reunite because everybody does.
Speaker 4: And why why do the screw you?
Speaker 8: Jeff's not making any more money taking Scott into the
band than he's making without Scott in the band, So
what's the point in doing it. You're just putting the
inevitable reunion off even further and creating more bad blood, right,
And I don't think Jeff wants to do that. It's
not even about reuniting. Jeff's just beyond all the bad
blood and he's he's at peace with everything, so there's
no point in doing that.
Speaker 2: You know, it's funny, it's ironic. You said you did
that last interview, But I I did the first interview
with them with with Todd as the official singer for
Queen's Reke, and I introed them for the very first
time as Todd as the official singer for Queen's Reke
at Halfway.
Speaker 4: Jams, not Rising West.
Speaker 2: Yeah it was. It was Queen's Reke. Yeah, exactly exactly,
but no, it was. It was after they won the
one one lawsuit when they were able to use the
name Queen's Reike, and their first gig was as Queen's
Reike with Todd was a Halfway Jam, and I introg
Here's the thing.
Speaker 4: I saw them for the first time.
Speaker 8: Because of my history with Jeff and everything, I haven't
gone out of my way as well. I have history
with Queens Reke too, which prevented me. I'm in the
same situation with the Queenske guys that Eddie is with
Paul Stanley. So it's like I saw them for the
first time because I was trapped on a ship they
were playing on and I'm like, if they're playing, I'm
gonna go see them.
Speaker 4: And they were great, And I.
Speaker 8: Walked up to every guy and told each guy individually
how great I thought they were. With Todd, it's just
not the same. And that's you know, you run into
that all the time. It's like, Todd does a great
job with that Stuff's doing a solo record. I'm dying
to hear it. I think it'll be great. I'm still
a Jeff guy.
Speaker 1: I am along for the day that they play together again,
I hope.
Speaker 2: Is that the only reason you're friends with Red Cup
jeffs because he spells it like Jeff Tate.
Speaker 4: No. I met Jeff through Chris through Jericho.
Speaker 2: Yeahs, alright, you that's all right? Last last game bick
jeffro jeffrow Lee Roth says David Lee Roth is eight
more pussy than anyone here, and he's a legend. Fight me,
not with swords.
Speaker 8: I'm not no one's arguing fighting any any names.
Speaker 4: Rot.
Speaker 3: That's just right and criteria that is.
Speaker 2: And lastly Laurie's he's in that trailer park for you
is And lastly Laurie says solid set guys, kiss versus
Twist's sister fucking kiss kiss?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, kiss, I guess kiss well kiss from me obviously,
but yeah, I mean.
Speaker 4: It's not even close. I mean Twist, it's like four
records and kisses like forty records.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you guys got anything to pimp before U before
we make a treat, like like like a tree and
get out of here.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 3: I got new hot, I got new mix coming. Really,
I got a mild I have a mild version coming.
Speaker 2: Oh I like the sound that.
Speaker 3: We'll have the mild and the hot. And we got
the Dry Rub Devil's Crown mix dot com go get.
Speaker 2: It, yep, yep. The the the mix was a big
hit up.
Speaker 1: And I've been on a smoking kick lately. You have
a dry rub?
Speaker 2: Yes I have.
Speaker 3: I'll bring you one.
Speaker 8: We have to talk, yeah, because next time here at
the Rainbow, I'll bring you one tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Yes, what time?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I want to try that. Does the Rainbow open you guys?
Speaker 3: Yes? Patio and they took the parking lot of the roxy.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, parking lot.
Speaker 8: So they put they put all seating where you would
pull in for valets, all seating now.
Speaker 4: And then they have the patios.
Speaker 8: They're not allowed to have indoors, but they have full
outdoor dining. You're not allowed to go to the bar,
sit at a table and it has to be a
waitress service.
Speaker 10: Yeah cool.
Speaker 4: So is Will djaying in the parking lot?
Speaker 8: No, Will is not djying right now. And I know
the parking lot just got extended through the end of
the year. So that doesn't mean at some point they
might not allow people to eat inside, but it means
they are now able to serve outside through the end
of the year because.
Speaker 4: There's different zoning.
Speaker 1: You have to be zoned to do that, and they
just the zoning's got extended.
Speaker 2: Right right, Todd, What do you got pimping?
Speaker 4: Really good?
Speaker 8: They do a really good job there. We've been we
go about once, we go about once a week. It's
just good to get out of the house.
Speaker 2: Yes, of course, and obviously tomorrow night what and obviously
tomorrow night.
Speaker 3: I guess if you're going tomorrow night, let me know.
Speaker 8: I'll run you up some mix or some I was
joking about tomorrow night, and then my guess is.
Speaker 1: Would be there sometime over the weekend or something, but.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: I think Rico went today. Actually, I think she was
there for lunch with Amy.
Speaker 4: Nice you did from the other end of the house.
But I'll let you know.
Speaker 2: Chad Todd, what do you got? What do you got
to pimp?
Speaker 1: I got a new single out and it's sort of
apropos because it's from two guys from Ace Frayley's.
Speaker 4: Band at Star and Jeremy.
Speaker 1: Asbrock and I have a side project called Minefield and
we put out a single and you can find it
on YouTube. Fields right and Brandon Fields. I'm sorry. I
was gonna bring him up. It's it's pretty much his
thing and he uh. And then and then the Ace
guy's got a hold of me and I was like,
sounds like fun because I'm sitting on the couch watching
Sopranos for the tenth time or something, and it was like, what's.
Speaker 3: What you're doing?
Speaker 4: Ed? I just started doing that. I just started on
HBO Max with Season one all over again.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's a fun track.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the greatest Hey, Hey, who is the one guy?
Don't know when that band Todd who is Brandon Fields.
Speaker 1: He's a young guy. I swear he's like twenty four
twenty five Jeremy. Jeremy calls me and he goes, look
I got this. This this young guy. I know, he's
really a go getter and great ideas. He's actually really
killer guitar player. So he's got this thing, and and
the next thing I know, it was up and running,
like before I even got involved. And I was sort
of like, Okay, well who's playing bass on this? And
they're like not sure yet. I'll go, well, I guess
I'll play bass on it because I play bass with last,
and then I sing a batch of the songs and
then it's it's really fun. It's it's it's been so much.
It's been a blessing really, because it was a lot
of like during that period where you're like, I guess
this is it. I guess this is what I do now.
I don't play music. I just kind of like it's
like early retirement without like a retirement package.
Speaker 3: Yeah, retirement, yeah.
Speaker 4: Exactly, puttering around in the garden. Well I don't even
do that.
Speaker 1: So we're talking to a computer screen, exactly when can
we make this our career like on like eye Hollywood
Squares back, yeah.
Speaker 2: Rights, and.
Speaker 4: I actually do they actually have made this my career.
But don't let you see now because I actually do
do this for a living.
Speaker 1: I remember as a kid, I didn't know who Ruth
Buzzy was or I didn't know what they had done.
They just are always on like they were like just
famous for being famous. I yes, I can't, can I
I could do this, I can talk, I can answer.
Speaker 2: See. I always liked the match game because if you
had had when you had an episode that had Charles Nelson, Riley,
Charles Russell, you knew you were in for a good
night exactly.
Speaker 4: Again, I didn't know what those guys background was.
Speaker 10: They were just.
Speaker 4: So I don't think it matters in this context either.
Speaker 1: Can I just do this now?
Speaker 4: This is my right?
Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, I'm just well trust trust me personally,
it doesn't pay.
Speaker 3: I think rock and Roll, Hollywood Squares, are you.
Speaker 8: Cared for a lifetime of drinking hams exclusively? I didn't
even know they still made hams. But I've got what
do I have? I think I mentioned earlier I did.
It's finally I think today I got word that We're
finally done completely. I've got I co wrote the book
in the Perry Farrell's upcoming box set with Perry, which
was a huge undertaking that that kind of got me
through COVID because basically May through July it was just
Perry Farrell all the time.
Speaker 4: Now I'm working on in addition all my.
Speaker 8: Management stuff, I'm working on, I'm a and ring a
record project for a role playing game. As a huge
nerd who used to play Dungeons and Dragons as a kid,
this is a big deal. They're coming out. Somebody's coming
out with a Dungeons and Dragons metal inspired role playing
game called Gods of Metal Ragnarok. What I'm handling, Yeah,
so it's I'm handling all the music for it. So
I'm putting together a vinyl compilation. There's some awesome like Anthrax,
Armored Saint. There's a bunch of really cool metal stuff
on it. I never heard before.
Speaker 1: I gotta let Danko Jones know about this. He will
lose his mind.
Speaker 4: Really well, let's talk. Let's talk.
Speaker 1: Then, I got like two or three slots left, and
I want people.
Speaker 4: Who love D and D Oh. That's the easy guy
right here.
Speaker 8: I've got an unheard Fozzy track. Actually back from the
days when I A and our at Centry Media, they
were leftover Fozzy tracks and we're using one of those.
But it's like, yeah, we've got it's a cool thing.
It's a good project that's going to be getting announced.
The Kickstarter campaign for that's gonna happen in in mid November.
Speaker 3: Start Kickstarter. So it's been well funded the Kickstarter.
Speaker 8: And one of the Kickstarter things, if you pay, if
you pledge a certain amount of Kickstarter, you're gonna get
the vinyl. It's gonna be any and then the vinyl
case opens out into the playing board for the Dungeon Master.
Speaker 2: Well you mess why, Joe, I said, ooh, Kickstarter. So
it's been well funded.
Speaker 4: In the gaming world.
Speaker 2: I'm just giving a bust and balls kick Starter.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. And uh, well, every time I
get a gig or something coming up as far as
an appearance or something, it ultimately goes away a couple
of weeks before it's supposed to happen, right, I mean
I had something in Dallas that or Houston that was
moved three times so far. But anyway, every day Monday
through Friday, two to four Eastern time, ten to midnight
Eastern Serious Exam Volume one oh six and for people
that on Monday nights. For ever, I did a show
on hair Nation which was mostly unlike the Daily show
on Volume, which is almost all talk, that show was
music and talk. And ever since COVID, that show, by
necessity has had to be pre recorded, so it's really
not been the show people knew. And I just found
out like yesterday that that's gonna come back, and I'm
gonna be able to start doing that one live as
well starting October fifth, so I'll be back to six
live a week for Serius XM podcast every Thursday, the
FM Show. So still pumping out eight radio shows or
eight broadcasts a week, six of them live, and waiting
for things to get back to normal so I can
come back to LA and hang with you maniacs at
the Rainbow and start doing the monthly shows and get
to where Todd is because I can't. I was watching
Monday Night Football last night and I was dying because
they were showing all the Vegas stuff and Vegas is
my favorite spot, and I'm like, I was just jones
in to be out there with Zach and Brent and
Todd and ronniey Man c So and hanging it there.
I was like, I gotta getut there with my boys.
So as soon as things get normal, I want to
do some shows from Vegas too. But yeah, there's a
there's a bunch of cool stuff in the works. But
it's one of those things where you're like, you know,
every day you get a call about something and then
you don't hear about it again, and it's all that
so you don't even bank on it. You wait to
see how it plays out. But it's all good and
having fun doing the radio stuff and Todd's that song,
Todd is really good.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 4: So you want to come out and plug it or whatever,
We'll set something up next week. I'll hit you up.
Let's do it for sure.
Speaker 3: Make sure you bring your.
Speaker 4: Twelve inch.
Speaker 2: Todd me, you and Chad should do something. We'll get
fucking homed on it too. Yeah, sounds good to do
something off un masked or something stupid like that.
Speaker 1: There you go, now you're talking.
Speaker 4: Here's what we gotta do this. I want to do
this exercise when I get back to coming in la
every month like I used to and working from the
studio there I want to put together because I started
in with this one show. I had John five and
Brian Tishy in the studio at the same time, and
we just went down this rabbit hole of And I
don't know if you've done this before, Izy, but one
of these days I'm gonna do it, either on my
show with some group of people, but take the four
Kiss solo albums and create one great ten track.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we did that. We did that about two
months ago.
Speaker 4: Oh you did it? You guys did it here?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and what doesn't mean it was correct? Just
so you know.
Speaker 3: Mine was?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Good point, good point? Yeah, yeah, Actually I would love
to hear that on another show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll I'll send you guys a it was. I
did it with ya. I did it with Ron Keel,
hell Sparks, Oh and Ran Bell Chaer who ed just
did that that country version of Cherry Pie?
Speaker 10: Wow? Okay, cool Jack?
Speaker 4: Did you all agree? You all agree on one final?
Speaker 2: No, we just all gave our own We all made
our own like record, but we also did it where well,
since they're doing this as a band and not just
selecting tracks, so like, for instance, I put Peter and
Ron did this too, either or Ron or Hal did
this too. I put Peter on speedback to my baby,
I'll lead vocals. So we swapped it up a little
bit because they're doing it as a band, not as okay,
we'll just take this track from this, this track from
this to make a record. Now. We did it as
if they recorded this as a band.
Speaker 4: Like I couldn't even think.
Speaker 2: Oh, yes you could, yes you could, yes you could.
But yeah, if you ever and if you ever do that,
I want to part of it.
Speaker 4: Eddie's doing eight radio shows a week. You're drinking eight
cams a night. That's what that eighteen?
Speaker 3: But who's counting?
Speaker 2: There's only two up here and one in my hand.
Speaker 1: There you go, that's three. There you go.
Speaker 4: Well, it's great seeing all you guys here too, you too.
Speaker 2: Thank you guys. Just hold on, we'll say goodbye. Off
the air. Let me hit the Black Diamond outra music.
Next week, I think i'll have a guest uh the
following week, maybe we'll do with another van hailing summit.
And I know for sure next month's Kiss Summit is
gonna be all female except for me, even though I
do have tits. So make sure you guys, check out
last week's show with Carrie Steven's Eric Car's ex girlfriend ed.
You need to have her on the show. Her book
is fucking phenomenal, really read good. You haven't read it,
I'll get you, guys into um. Chad Stewart Faster Pussycat
Moto Christ buy that fucking Devil's Crown stuff. Todd Kurns.
Check out everything that he has going on by the
new single. Paul Gargano, stay tuned. That's all I gotta say.
And of course the Great the Wizard Eddie Trunk and uh,
make sure you check out on that Zappa's show, Rocktails.
It is on Exit is on volume.
Speaker 4: Man, it's on volume. I think he does one a month.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 4: See that's the difference. When you have Zappa money, you
work long time a month, work eight times a week.
Speaker 2: Love it. Speaking of Zappa money, if you guys enjoy
what I do. PayPal is Hazy Presley at yahoo dot
com cash af dollars signed Dizzy Presley and of course
the real Izzy Presley at fucking the Other Gimmick Venmo
or whatever the fuck it is. That's what it is.
Social media.
Speaker 8: It's because that's how badly, you butcher when you ask, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Dude, I've had like three shots of jacket, three hams.
Give me a fucking break in, like you know, an
hour and fifteen minutes. What can I say? Anyways, spend
another fucking podcast. See you guys next week. I do
love you all, and don't forget what I can. Talent
I make for Jesus Christ, I make up for in