Speaker 1: Thursday afternoon, eleven minutes past the hour of two o'clock.
Speaker 2: It is a beautiful, gorgeous May day.
Speaker 1: As we have turned our calendars to May, it is
Speaker 1: May first, it is spring. It's about sixty eight degrees
Speaker 1: in sunny and clear here in downtown Salt Lake City, Utah,
Speaker 1: right outside of our Broadway Media studios, and as it
Speaker 1: is every single day, it is good to have you
Speaker 1: along for the ride. Well, okay, all right, right out
Speaker 1: of the gates. If you're watching on YouTube, I got
Speaker 1: you know what. Scott's a little aggressive with the mic.
Speaker 2: I didn't know this.
Speaker 1: Have you ever us there's one person on YouTube you've
Speaker 1: produced a show with Scott before?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Yes? So does he? Is he jacking the mic around
Speaker 2: a lot? I don't know now he is clear it
Speaker 2: looks like it though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Scott, let's go ahead and not do
Speaker 1: whatever you're doing with the mic.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna screw this back in real time. Porter. Hello,
Speaker 2: how are you? I'm doing well? Spencer? How are you?
Speaker 2: I'm good?
Speaker 4: I uh, you know you always if anything with the
Speaker 4: mic is like off a little bit, it does send you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I'm I'm a creature of habit I admittedly understandable.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I enjoyed that this is the this is
Speaker 4: the opening segment of the show. And yes, I'm keeping
Speaker 4: the YouTube on you so that folks can.
Speaker 2: See we are good. We are good.
Speaker 1: So in uh, in a past life, I worked for
Speaker 1: a radio station where the show before me featured a
Speaker 1: host that both spit his luncheon into the microphone and
Speaker 1: also jacked his mic around.
Speaker 2: He actually is still over there.
Speaker 1: He still does Middays shut out, and so I had
Speaker 1: to be very cognizant of the microphone set up. But
Speaker 1: Bill is not a microphone mess and neither Sean. So
Speaker 1: now I know that Scott is, so we'll be very cognizant.
Speaker 1: But the mic is good now. So you know what, Actually,
Speaker 1: now that I think about it, whenever I do cross
Speaker 1: talk with Scott, he is sitting back like this and
Speaker 1: he's jacking the.
Speaker 4: Micro He's relaxed, he's kind of just doing his thing. Yeah,
Speaker 4: we might have to get him like one of those
Speaker 4: if you ever watched like a just a podcast, like
Speaker 4: a low prop yes, low production podcast. Just give him
Speaker 4: a mic with the cable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we're professionals in the afternoon space. We don't
Speaker 1: mess around with the mics. We like to do a
Speaker 1: good show anyway. Hello, how are you Thursday? Microphone situation
Speaker 1: is good, it is screwed back in and we're good
Speaker 1: to go. A lot to get to on this Thursday afternoon.
Speaker 1: The easy thing to do, and I'm not going to
Speaker 1: do it entirely, but we are going to get into it.
Speaker 1: The easy thing to do is talk about the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one Utah Jazz featuring Donovan Mitchell and Rudy Gobert
Speaker 1: and Mike Conley and Nikiel Alexander Walker and Jordan Clarkson
Speaker 1: and George Niang and Derek Favors and Boy and Bogdanovich
Speaker 1: and roycell Ney, et cetera, et cetera, and then talk
Speaker 1: about the decision that the new front office made after
Speaker 1: Dennis Lindsay decided he did not want to work for
Speaker 1: the new ownership, and Quinn Snyder decided he did not
Speaker 1: want to work for the new ownership, and Danny Ainge
Speaker 1: is brought in and Ryan Smith buys the team and
Speaker 1: they elect to trade a superstar player in his prime
Speaker 1: in Donovan Mitchell, a legitimate Hall of Famer defensive superstar,
Speaker 1: and Rudy Gobert still in his prime, and then later
Speaker 1: on get rid of Bogdanovich and my Don Lee and
Speaker 1: Royce O'Neil and the like and George Niang, and we're
Speaker 1: watching all of these players play at a very high
Speaker 1: level in the postseason.
Speaker 2: The easy thing to do.
Speaker 1: Is to say it here today, the day after Rudy
Speaker 1: Gobert maybe had his best career postseason game and criticized
Speaker 1: the decision making process, And we are going to do
Speaker 1: some of that, but we're gonna be fair about it,
Speaker 1: and we're going to talk about exactly how that all
Speaker 1: went down, why it all went down, and why three
Speaker 1: years later and entering the fourth year, they may or
Speaker 1: may not have done the right thing. We're gonna dig
Speaker 1: into it from a bunch of different angles. Really happy
Speaker 1: for Rudy last night. Rudy is a guy who I
Speaker 1: cheer for twenty seven points twenty four rebounds.
Speaker 2: So we're gonna do some NBA playoffs on the show
Speaker 2: today and.
Speaker 1: Get you ready for some good action tonight as the
Speaker 1: New York Knicks, we'll try to close out the Detroit
Speaker 1: Pistons in Detroit, Michigan Little Caesars Arena. That's a five
Speaker 1: thirty tip time locally on TNT and then when that
Speaker 1: game concludes, the Denver Nuggets will try to eliminate the
Speaker 1: LA cl Whippers at the into a Dome in Englewood, California.
Speaker 1: So we have some playoff basketball to get to on
Speaker 1: the show today. We have some jazz fans on the
Speaker 1: show today.
Speaker 2: We have some.
Speaker 1: College football and college basketball transfer portal news locally and
Speaker 1: nationally on the show today, and we'll get you ready
Speaker 1: for a busy sports weekend that includes a road trip
Speaker 1: for real Salt Lake as they are going to take
Speaker 1: on Vancouver today or not today on Saturday. Vancouver, as
Speaker 1: of now is the best team in the West and
Speaker 1: one of the best teams.
Speaker 2: In all of MLS.
Speaker 1: So we'll get you ready for a weekend full of
Speaker 1: NBA basketball, little soccer from the local side of things,
Speaker 1: and we'll do some college and pro football in addition
Speaker 1: to that. All right, good guest list, it's been a
Speaker 1: while since we've welcomed in the Voice. That's right, the
Speaker 1: voice himself, Bill Riley, stops by today on a Thursday afternoon.
Speaker 2: We're going to welcome in the Voice of the Youth.
Speaker 1: So we'll do some Utah football, some Utah Basketball is
Speaker 1: Ryle's an hour in studio with the editor of the
Speaker 1: sports section of the Solid Tribune Fake News, Aaron Falk,
Speaker 1: will be in studio, that liberal, left leaning fake news outlet.
Speaker 1: We'll bring it to Aaron today to talk about a
Speaker 1: bunch of different things on the program, and then we'll.
Speaker 2: Do a little sports court.
Speaker 1: But before that, the head coach over Al Salt Lake
Speaker 1: is Pablo Masterjoinni. He had a chance to spend a
Speaker 1: little time with my guy Pobs and in San Diego
Speaker 1: as Ursel was able to get all three points last week.
Speaker 1: Look heat to a busy week end with Vancouver as
Speaker 1: the road continues for rsl So, Bill Riley, Aaron Falk,
Speaker 1: Pablo Masjoini, a little sports court with our friends from
Speaker 1: Handy in Handy. No Alan Handy on the show today.
Speaker 1: But Garon, Preston and me Spence Check. Its all of you,
Speaker 1: the great listeners, and that guy Porter Larson. All right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you first crack at this.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: The easy thing to do today, Porter is to say
Speaker 1: Rudy's awesome, Donovan's awesome, Mike Conley hitting dagger shot after
Speaker 1: dagger shot. Then there are the bit pieces like Roys O'Neil, Poem, Bogdanovich,
Speaker 1: George Nyang. And in a city like Salt Lake where
Speaker 1: it's hard to get a collection of talent like that
Speaker 1: to play together and win games, the easy thing to
Speaker 1: do is how in the hell you just decided to
Speaker 1: break it down brick by breaking That's the easy thing
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 2: What's the right thing to do. I'm gonna get it
Speaker 2: first track.
Speaker 4: That is the easy thing to do. And listen, part
Speaker 4: of it's true. Rudy is awesome, Donovan Mitchell is awesome.
Speaker 4: Part of that group that Utah had together was obviously awesome.
Speaker 4: They were the first place team in the West, They
Speaker 4: broke three point shooting records. They I think they won
Speaker 4: the most amount of games over the course of like
Speaker 4: a four game span in the NBA. Right, this is
Speaker 4: a true thing. We can acknowledge that while also understanding timing,
Speaker 4: roster construction, salary caps, personal relationships and the like. Right,
Speaker 4: all of those things played into the fact that Utah
Speaker 4: did reach a juncture point right where they had to
Speaker 4: move and they had to move in a real substantial fashion. Now,
Speaker 4: did they have to move off both guys? Did they
Speaker 4: have to move off of all all of the bit pieces.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm not so sure we will know the
Speaker 4: answer to that still in four or five years. But
Speaker 4: let's just rewind right. Say you run it back for
Speaker 4: a couple of years. Well, then you do have probably
Speaker 4: a contending window maybe for the conference, for the Western Conference,
Speaker 4: but it last spents about a year and a half
Speaker 4: and then going into what would have been next off season,
Speaker 4: you're looking at extensions for Rudy Gobert. You're looking at
Speaker 4: a roster that is really in a point where you
Speaker 4: have no versatility, you have no optionality.
Speaker 2: You have.
Speaker 4: Close to fifty percent of your salary cap allotted to
Speaker 4: a star center who, yes, last night, did what we
Speaker 4: haven't seen him do in his career. And what again,
Speaker 4: no one in the NBA has ever had a twenty
Speaker 4: five point, twenty rebound, eighty percent field goal shooting game
Speaker 4: in an elimination match, no one in an NBA history
Speaker 4: until Rudy Gobert last night. So we can acknowledge all
Speaker 4: of that while also acknowledging that the Jazz were in
Speaker 4: a place partly due to folks in their front office
Speaker 4: roster things that they I think kind of messed up
Speaker 4: on a little bit some signings that they didn't necessarily
Speaker 4: have to make, and still understand that the Jazz had
Speaker 4: to move, did they have to move in the fashion
Speaker 4: that they did, which is pretty much a complete reset.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure what if Rudy Gobert's on this roster
Speaker 4: Donovan's not. What if Donovan's on this roster and Rudy's not.
Speaker 4: Those are things that we can examine. But as of today, Spence,
Speaker 4: the Jazz have an opportunity to get the number one pick.
Speaker 4: They have the most roster optionality in the league. They
Speaker 4: have a window in front of them where they can
Speaker 4: build their window with Donovan, with Rudy, with that core,
Speaker 4: it was closing. It doesn't matter what you think of
Speaker 4: what they're doing now. It was closing based on the relationships,
Speaker 4: the behind the scenes stuff. And yes, awesome to see
Speaker 4: them performing well, but I don't think it necessarily means
Speaker 4: that the Jazz were wrong, and it doesn't necessarily mean
Speaker 4: that these other teams are going to go on and
Speaker 4: win an NBA title. Now, if we see the Cavs
Speaker 4: and the Timberwolves in the NBA Finals in a few months,
Speaker 4: we can revisit this conversation a little bit deeper, but
Speaker 4: don't want to be prisoner of the moment too much.
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Speaker 1: bet all right, couple things here. So last night Minnesota
Speaker 1: beats the Lakers one O three to ninety six, and
Speaker 1: more importantly, beats the Lakers in the series four games
Speaker 1: to one.
Speaker 2: So a couple things here.
Speaker 1: I think JJ Reddick is really looking very bad today
Speaker 1: for a number of different reasons. First of all, the
Speaker 1: way you handle the series number one, the way you
Speaker 1: coach the series number two, acting like an absolute clown
Speaker 1: and a baby during his press conference, acting defensive, dismissing questions,
Speaker 1: getting up and walking out like he's pat Riley or
Speaker 1: Phil Jackson. This is your first time as a coach, period.
Speaker 1: The only experience you have as a coach is coaching
Speaker 1: your ten year old and now you're the coach of
Speaker 1: the Lakers. Okay, so you're not beyond reproach, buddy, you're
Speaker 1: not above reproach. He got his ass kicked by Chris Finch.
Speaker 1: He got out coach start to finish, and he has
Speaker 1: the nerve to blame it on the roster construction. He
Speaker 1: has the nerve to get defensive with reporters. Once again,
Speaker 1: he was out coached last night. Now, when the Luka
Speaker 1: trade went down, we talked about it on the show.
Speaker 1: A lot of people wondering, does this mean the Lakers
Speaker 1: are the best team in the NBA? Absolutely not. Does
Speaker 1: this mean the Lakers were championship contenders this year? No,
Speaker 1: I mean I never believe that. And it's probably time
Speaker 1: to admit that Lebron James is old. He is forty
Speaker 1: years old. This is a twenty second season. In the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter of this series, Lebron was atrocious. He did
Speaker 1: not score in the fourth quarter of Game four, and
Speaker 1: had three points in the fourth quarter of Game five
Speaker 1: and got absolutely beat defensively left and right. Okay, now
Speaker 1: we're gonna do the song and Dan and Lebron's the
Speaker 1: Lebron Song and dance now where he has a player option,
Speaker 1: and that's already started where he's like, I've got to
Speaker 1: have a conversation with myself and he's going to hold
Speaker 1: the Lakers hostage.
Speaker 2: He's gonna come back and play one more year.
Speaker 1: But at this point it's probably safe to say that
Speaker 1: in his twenty second season, he is not the guy
Speaker 1: that you can rely upon to make miracles happen, as
Speaker 1: he's done throughout the course of his crip. That's why
Speaker 1: you bring in a Luka Dacic. Here's the problem, Okay.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying the Nico Harrison can take a
Speaker 1: victory lap today. I still do not make that trade.
Speaker 1: No matter what, you do, not trade a twenty four
Speaker 1: year old, twenty five year old generational superstar who's also
Speaker 1: a global superstar entering his prime the year after he
Speaker 1: took you to the finals. But Minnesota and Chris Finch
Speaker 1: made a calculated effort to put Luka Doncic in every
Speaker 1: defensive action they could last night, and it worked. Aunt
Speaker 1: didn't have a great shooting game, but he beat Luca
Speaker 1: every time. Luca was the primary defender. And it wasn't
Speaker 1: just In, it was Julius Randall. Every time Julius Randall
Speaker 1: found Luka Donciic on him, he went at him and
Speaker 1: it tired Luca out. Luca looked tired in the fourth quarter. Yes,
Speaker 1: he heard his back. He was sick in Game three.
Speaker 1: But if you're going to have these two players and Look,
Speaker 1: make no mistake, any roster constructor in the NBA would
Speaker 1: want Lebron James and Luka Doncic on their roster. You
Speaker 1: have to supplement their weaknesses with strengths on the other
Speaker 1: portions and parts of your roster construction, which they have
Speaker 1: not done. So JJ Riddick last night overthinks it. And
Speaker 1: I'm not a big Jackson Hayes guy, but at least
Speaker 1: Jackson Hayes has a little bit of size that he
Speaker 1: can provide some pushback. They bring Maxi Kleiba off ice,
Speaker 1: who hasn't played since March and hasn't practiced with the
Speaker 1: Lakers once, and he was not ready to play at all.
Speaker 1: I thought Jared Vanderbilt, who spent some time here with
Speaker 1: the Jazz, gave them some decent minutes. And for all
Speaker 1: the conversation about what Rudy did last night, and look,
Speaker 1: I always cheer for Rudy.
Speaker 2: I will always cheer for Rudy.
Speaker 1: Rudy Gobert impacts winning in a way that most players,
Speaker 1: certainly in the league do not, and most fans that
Speaker 1: watch basketball full don't understand. Rudy was committed to the
Speaker 1: Utah Jazz. He was committed to the city he did
Speaker 1: not want to leave. He still maintains a residence here.
Speaker 1: And you know the juxtaposition between Gobert and Mitchell was
Speaker 1: Donovan surrounded by his powerful agency. Did you ever find
Speaker 1: it odd that every time Donovan was out and about
Speaker 1: in public doing something that was pretty cool, it was
Speaker 1: public knowledge.
Speaker 2: Oh, he's got a Fourth of July party? Why is
Speaker 2: that in the paper?
Speaker 1: Oh, Donovan Mitchell stumbles upon a car accident and helps
Speaker 1: out the Why is that in the paper?
Speaker 2: You want to know? Lie? Because it was leaked.
Speaker 1: Every time Donovan was doing something in public, his agency
Speaker 1: made sure there were cameras on the scene to make
Speaker 1: Donovan look better.
Speaker 2: Rudy went about his.
Speaker 1: Business behind the scenes, helping people out without the fanfare
Speaker 1: of the public attention.
Speaker 2: Because that's not who Rudy is.
Speaker 1: Okay, So if you're looking to take a side between
Speaker 1: the Rudy and Mitchell stuff, it's Rudy all the way.
Speaker 1: At least, I'm team Rudy all the way I always
Speaker 1: have been. I was thrilled for him last night to
Speaker 1: shut people up, and I always I always get a
Speaker 1: kick out of how quiet the social media converse turns
Speaker 1: into when Gobert has a great game because all the
Speaker 1: Rudy haters they go and hide, and the Shacks of
Speaker 1: the world and the Bill Simmons of the world and
Speaker 1: our friend Ryan Rossillo get people like that who hate Gobert.
Speaker 1: They're eating a ton of crow today and I love that,
Speaker 1: and I was happy for Rudy. But we also have
Speaker 1: to acknowledge that Rudy was catching lobbs over Gabe Vincent,
Speaker 1: who is Porter's height. Okay, we have to acknowledge that
Speaker 1: Rudy was catching lobbs over Dorian Finney Smith and Austin Reeves,
Speaker 1: who are sixty six and sixty seven. Okay, So the
Speaker 1: Lakers with a calculator risk, and in the past against Gobert,
Speaker 1: this has worked at times. The Lakers aren't necessarily a
Speaker 1: small roster, but they just don't have centers, Okay, Like
Speaker 1: Dorian Phinney Smith is sixty seven, Rudy is six nine.
Speaker 1: Lebron of course, is six' eight and built like a,
Speaker 1: tank which makes it odd That dante Diam vincenzo can
Speaker 1: knock him over and he has to sit down for
Speaker 1: thirty minutes to catch his. Breath luke is a big,
Speaker 1: Boy Austin reeves is a big. Boy vandos six nine,
Speaker 1: Right so they've got a roster of big. Wings they
Speaker 1: just don't have, centers which is why they tried to
Speaker 1: trade For Mark williams Before mark failed as physical and,
Speaker 1: Yes Mark williams would have made a.
Speaker 2: Difference, Sorry, shack can we Get shack? Off the?
Speaker 1: Dais by the, Way shack is a, legend but he
Speaker 1: never says anything of any. VALUE i Thought chuck handled
Speaker 1: it well last. NIGHT i Thought kenny handled it well last.
Speaker 1: Night But shaq is just this, old angry big that
Speaker 1: won't give anybody any. Credit And rudy deserved a lot
Speaker 1: of credit last night Because minnesota shot seven of forty
Speaker 1: seven from.
Speaker 2: Three that is fourteen point nine.
Speaker 1: Percent, Okay So dante Di vincenzo two of, Twelve nikhil
Speaker 1: Alex Xander walker two of. Nine aunt never fully got going,
Speaker 1: offensively but he did so many other things that were so.
Speaker 1: Good he had eleven, boards he had eight, assists he
Speaker 1: had three, Steals he was engaged on. Defense this was
Speaker 1: The Rudy Go bear, game and because it was against The,
Speaker 1: lakers the basketball world was watching and he was. Dominant
Speaker 1: he had nine offensive, rebounds which is the most In
Speaker 1: Minnesota timberwolves, history tied Actually Kevin. Garnett he had twenty
Speaker 1: four overall. Boards he had twenty seven, Points he was
Speaker 1: twelve to fifteen from the Flor he had nine dunks
Speaker 1: and dominated the. Paint two block, shots four or five others,
Speaker 1: affected AND Jj reddick showed his inexperience and refused to
Speaker 1: do anything to, adjust like you do have options on
Speaker 1: the bench to at least provide a little pushback For. Gobert,
Speaker 1: Okay but again, today the easy thing to, do and
Speaker 1: we'll get into more of this, later is looking back
Speaker 1: on the final season Of Quinn snyder's. Tenure, Here Donovan, Mitchell,
Speaker 1: royce O'Neil, Boam, Bogdanovich Rudy, Gobert Mike, conley who hit
Speaker 1: two dagger threes and had two big time defensive plays last,
Speaker 1: Night Joe, ingles who of course is not even playing.
Speaker 1: Anymore Jordan clarkson's still, Here George niang who's continuing to
Speaker 1: play well in THE, nba and then there's some other
Speaker 1: bit pieces and most of them are.
Speaker 2: Not in the league.
Speaker 1: Anymore but that's your eight or nine n. Rotation And
Speaker 1: Danny ainge And Justin zannik and the new ownership group
Speaker 1: decided they were going to break that group down brick
Speaker 1: by brick in the name of a long game, rebuild
Speaker 1: and as of, today it looks like a very idiotic. Decision,
Speaker 1: Okay so, LOOK i know that we're supposed to, say,
Speaker 1: Hey tome will tell they've got draft picks and assets
Speaker 1: and clean, books all. Right, well from a sports talk radio,
Speaker 1: Standpoint from a media, STANDPOINT i cannot analyze the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty Nine. JAZZ i don't know what they look. LIKE
Speaker 1: i can only analyze The jazz that are in front of.
Speaker 1: Us and right, now this rebuild process has not bread
Speaker 1: anything that you guys should be excited. About that's just
Speaker 1: the bottom. Line it has been mediocre basketball at. Best
Speaker 1: it has been underwhelming at. Best which of the young
Speaker 1: players are you guys really excited. About i'll ask you
Speaker 1: you excited About Kante. George i'm not even sure that
Speaker 1: he's AN nba. Player Isaiah callier Breaks John stockton's rookie record. Assists,
Speaker 1: okay he shoots twenty five percent from. Three Kyle philipowski
Speaker 1: has shown some. Things, Okay so your best pick has
Speaker 1: been the thirty second Pick Taylor. Hendrix feel bad for the.
Speaker 1: Kid hope he gets, healthy and hope he evolves and
Speaker 1: starts to play. BETTER i still think he's got measurables
Speaker 1: and a lot of things to be excited about Out
Speaker 1: but Watching gobert dominate last, night Watching mitchell evolve into
Speaker 1: this calm presence and leader for The, cavs a guy
Speaker 1: that's more comfortable in a role where the usage isn't as.
Speaker 1: High he's not playing as much hero ball and his
Speaker 1: numbers are down a little, bit but his production overall is.
Speaker 2: Up he's engaged on the defensive.
Speaker 1: End he will be first Team ALL nba at the
Speaker 1: age of twenty, six twenty seven years. Old, like watching
Speaker 1: all of these guys play so well in the postseason
Speaker 1: has to bring up a conversation as to what exactly
Speaker 1: the front office was.
Speaker 2: Thinking, now AS i, referenced we will be fair.
Speaker 1: Today And i'll just say, this if you are looking
Speaker 1: for a, scapegoat if you are looking for the one
Speaker 1: person to blame as to why that really exciting five
Speaker 1: year run Of jazz basketball came to an, end it's
Speaker 1: Not Ryan smith to. Blame it's Not Danny ames to.
Speaker 1: Blame it's Not Justin xanig to. Blame it's Not Dennis.
Speaker 1: Lindsay it's Not Quinn. Snyder it's Not Rudy. Gobert it's
Speaker 1: Not Bom. Bogdanovich it's Not Mike. Conley it's Not roy.
Speaker 1: O'Neil it's Not Joe, ingles it's Not george And. Yangle
Speaker 1: who's the one name THAT i haven't said into this
Speaker 1: microphone just, Yet Porter.
Speaker 2: Jpchung it comes.
Speaker 1: Down To John. Paul it Was John paul's. Fault It's, donovan.
Speaker 1: Man it just is. Okay and there are things that
Speaker 1: happened behind the scenes that, Honestly i'll never say into
Speaker 1: this microphone out of respect for information THAT i received from.
Speaker 1: People there are things THAT i know that went down
Speaker 1: With donovan and his camp behind the scenes THAT i
Speaker 1: have respect for, People i'll never say to this. Microphone
Speaker 1: but if you're looking for a, scapegoat if you're looking
Speaker 1: for somebody to blame as to why all that did go,
Speaker 1: down it's a kid that's playing great ball In cleveland
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Speaker 1: of the voice of The utes, Himself Bill riley on
Speaker 1: A thursday afternoon, ROUSE i got to tell you how to,
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Speaker 1: when we play this bump to introduce, you it actually
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Speaker 2: It makes a miss your. SHOW i thought you might
Speaker 2: want to hear.
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Speaker 6: Well that was nice of him to, say how you, doing?
Speaker 6: Man So i'm doing. Great how are you?
Speaker 2: Doing i'm, Good i'm, Good i'm. Good.
Speaker 1: Yeah when we had you on last and this is
Speaker 1: how we kind of bumped you, in he reached out
Speaker 1: emotionally and, said you missed you on the mid days.
Speaker 2: Man so, YEAH i figured you'd like to know.
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Speaker 6: time to. TIME i, was you, know it's really nice
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Speaker 6: WHEN i comes up on the on the old rotation On,
Speaker 6: spotify it takes you back to the radio show. Too
Speaker 6: SO i tell, you, buddy, thanks AND i HOPE i
Speaker 6: can fill fill the gaps a little bit coming on
Speaker 6: with you and coming on with Ses.
Speaker 1: Sean it really is such a great. Bump there's no
Speaker 1: doubt about, that all, Right, Bill, right out of the.
Speaker 1: Gates let me bring you into the topic we started
Speaker 1: the show, with because we'll do mostly youth with. You
Speaker 1: obviously that's the gig these, days but for a number
Speaker 1: of years you did a show that covered everything in the,
Speaker 1: market Including Utah. Jazz and as you Watch donovan settle
Speaker 1: into this, evolved mature, role he's going to be first
Speaker 1: Team ALL mba and he might even get SOME mvp,
Speaker 1: votes he won't win. It and Then rudy has his
Speaker 1: really potentially best postseason statement game in front of the
Speaker 1: world last night against The, Lakers conley's hitting dagger. Threes
Speaker 1: then they're the big pieces that are still having good,
Speaker 1: years Like niang And bogdanovich and O'Neil and. Such what
Speaker 1: sort of thoughts do you have about the decision that
Speaker 1: the front office made to break that team down in
Speaker 1: the name of what we've seen over the past three,
Speaker 1: years which is, inspiring absolutely.
Speaker 6: NOBODY i think it looks worse and worse the further
Speaker 6: we get from expence and the better That donovan. Plays
Speaker 6: and you Know, rudy you, Know rudy isn't going twenty
Speaker 6: seven and twenty four every, night but he is still
Speaker 6: a very good piece to a. TEAM i think it
Speaker 6: looks bad AND i think it's a bit of A
Speaker 6: i hate to be too, harsh BUT i think it's
Speaker 6: an organizational failure for not being able to figure out
Speaker 6: how to make it work and put the right pieces
Speaker 6: around those. Guys those are. Two one is a TRAN
Speaker 6: i think a lot of people thought What donovan was,
Speaker 6: here we had seen the, plateau that he was what he.
Speaker 6: Was that's not the. Case he has elevated his game
Speaker 6: even further In cleveland And cleveland an, organization it really
Speaker 6: had no success in the last twenty five or thirty
Speaker 6: years outside of The lebron, years and, frankly to be,
Speaker 6: honest they didn't really do a great job of placing
Speaker 6: talent Around Lebron. James they have found a way to
Speaker 6: build an organization Around Donovan. MITCHELL i JUST i think
Speaker 6: it looks worse and. Worse As i've said to you
Speaker 6: on this show, Before i'm still not quite, sure outside
Speaker 6: of hoping that you get the number one pick In Cooper,
Speaker 6: flag what the plan. Is AND i do think that
Speaker 6: you know you've got to you, know when you've got star,
Speaker 6: players they don't have to be best. Friends but somebody figured.
Speaker 6: Out adults in the room figure it, out figure out
Speaker 6: how to make it. Work AND i don't think The jazz.
Speaker 6: Did And i'm not sure if you're going to have
Speaker 6: An ALL nba defensive, guy a first Team ALL nba,
Speaker 6: guy and some good pieces like they've had they had
Speaker 6: there here anytime in the near. Future SO i just
Speaker 6: think it looks worse and worse the further we get from.
Speaker 6: It you feel the, Same, YEAH i.
Speaker 3: DO i.
Speaker 1: Do and you, know even at the, time and look
Speaker 1: to be, Fair Don evan behind the scenes really was
Speaker 1: causing issues to the point WHERE i think they had
Speaker 1: to do what they had to do with.
Speaker 2: Him but if.
Speaker 1: You just kind of draw a little bit of a parallel,
Speaker 1: here if you say that they do The mitchell deal
Speaker 1: but hang on To rudy who wanted to stay. Here you,
Speaker 1: know you bring in lowry, marketing and you bring in
Speaker 1: a bevy of draft assets that you get From. Cleveland
Speaker 1: and at the, TIME i think it Was ohioboji who
Speaker 1: actually played well For toronto this. YEAR i think there's
Speaker 1: a world that exit that would have, existed and who
Speaker 1: knows what it looks, Like and you, know ultimately this is,
Speaker 1: hypothetical but it's what makes sports radio. FUN i think
Speaker 1: there was a world that you could have moved forward
Speaker 1: in a different way as opposed to breaking everything down
Speaker 1: in the name of again in the past three, years
Speaker 1: which has just been a road to.
Speaker 6: Nowhere, yeah and, again those were, guys AND i know
Speaker 6: people will, say, well you did it, once you can
Speaker 6: do it. Again that's hard to. Do and maybe they
Speaker 6: maybe lightning did strike twice for them With stockton And
Speaker 6: malone and Then rudy And. Donovan but we've not seen
Speaker 6: anything really over the last three. Years and, yeah you
Speaker 6: Acquired lowry marking, in but there's got to be part
Speaker 6: Of lowry market. In that feels like he's wasting away
Speaker 6: some of his best years of basketball playing for a
Speaker 6: team going. Nowhere and how long is it Before lowry
Speaker 6: market and decides he doesn't want to be part of
Speaker 6: this rebuild. Anymore So, YEAH i just, AGAIN i want
Speaker 6: that franchise to have. Success those were fun years AND
Speaker 6: i know you told me a lot about, it And
Speaker 6: i'd talk to other people that Yet donovan was problematic
Speaker 6: behind the. Scenes but find a. Way and if you
Speaker 6: can't find a, WAY i don't know that you had
Speaker 6: to get rid of. BOTH i, mean because Clearly minnesota's
Speaker 6: found a role For rudy and obviously they've Got Anthony Anthony,
Speaker 6: edwards which is transformational To BUT i, JUST i JUST
Speaker 6: i look at it AND i, SAY i don't know
Speaker 6: when The jazz are going to be competitive to the
Speaker 6: degree they were competitive when they Had gobert And mitchell
Speaker 6: here and as you, Said conley and.
Speaker 1: Others, yeah, yeah in three straight years with no spring,
Speaker 1: basketball and spring basketball so. Fun playoff basketball when it's
Speaker 1: In utah so. Fun but we'll move on, Now, BILL i,
Speaker 1: wonder you, KNOW i Thought junior would be, drafted held
Speaker 1: out some hope For, karne but happy For Caleb.
Speaker 2: LONER i, mean what a.
Speaker 1: Story but your thoughts on the only you being drafted
Speaker 1: this year Being Caleb loner and obviously we'll get into
Speaker 1: some other players who have found some landing, spots but
Speaker 1: not a very active draft cycle For utah, football what
Speaker 1: are your?
Speaker 6: Thoughts, YEAH i, MEAN i think it was just one
Speaker 6: of those off years where you had some guys that,
Speaker 6: were you, know third day guys or free agent, guys
Speaker 6: and that's just how it. Was if you, know you
Speaker 6: play the game forward next, year there's a Chance utah
Speaker 6: has two guys in the Top i've seen a lot
Speaker 6: way too, early But i've seen the two tackles Is
Speaker 6: spencerfano And Caleb lomu both mocked in the top fifteen
Speaker 6: or twenty. Picks SO i just think it was one
Speaker 6: of those years where you didn't have a lot of
Speaker 6: guys that were top end. Guys but the good news,
Speaker 6: is you, KNOW i think those guys are all good football.
Speaker 6: Players i'd be shocked If Junior tafuna and Karennie, reid
Speaker 6: and you, know even a guy Like zemiah von because
Speaker 6: he's just such a good, athlete they don't end up
Speaker 6: ON nfl. Rosters and once you end up on AN nfl,
Speaker 6: roster you know you make your way forward. There BUT
Speaker 6: i think those guys are good football. PLAYERS i just
Speaker 6: think it was one of those one of those off
Speaker 6: years where they just didn't have it well.
Speaker 2: In one of the other dynamics.
Speaker 1: HERE i can remember When Trevor riley was drafted by
Speaker 1: My New York. JETS i think he was a seventh,
Speaker 1: rounder AND i sent trevit text, like, hey congrats, man
Speaker 1: you got, drafted and of, course in True Trevor riley,
Speaker 1: fashion he sends me an expletive laiden response about how
Speaker 1: pist he was that he didn't get to choose where
Speaker 1: he wanted to. Sign so if you're not going to
Speaker 1: be you, know first four rounds or, whatever maybe A
Speaker 1: connor o tool gets to choose that he goes To
Speaker 1: seattle And junior with The texans or what have.
Speaker 2: You so maybe all these players would have.
Speaker 1: Preferred not to be drafted late so they can decide
Speaker 1: to choose which landing spot they actually ultimately go.
Speaker 6: With, yeah you'll Get just a few years, Ago Brittan
Speaker 6: covey didn't get. Drafted we all Loved. Covey oh he'll
Speaker 6: be somebody who'll. Pick, well they. Didn't but what. Happened
Speaker 6: he lands with The Philadelphia, eagles has A Super bowl,
Speaker 6: ring has been a really good special teams per former for.
Speaker 6: Them so you're absolutely, right those guys get to pick that. Location,
Speaker 6: because to be, honest you, know when you're a six
Speaker 6: or seventh round, pick there's not a lot of guaranteed money,
Speaker 6: anyway and if you're a priority free, agent they're going
Speaker 6: to give you some of that money. Too SO i
Speaker 6: think at the end of the, day it's going to
Speaker 6: work out pretty well for those guys being able to
Speaker 6: pick and choose their own.
Speaker 1: Spots, so of, course the massive storyline coming out of
Speaker 1: the draft was the fall and slide Of Shador sanders
Speaker 1: and you had a chance to call some Of shador's,
Speaker 1: games and you, know, ANECDOTALLY i told the story Of
Speaker 1: big Twelve Media day Where sean AND i were on
Speaker 1: radio row and interviewing coaches and players without much, fanfare
Speaker 1: and then double doors. Open six cameras are Following, Shiloh
Speaker 1: shador And dion around and we had a chance to Interview.
Speaker 1: Shiloh they didn't let us Interview, shador but of course
Speaker 1: the circus that follows them around is. Undeniable and, LOOK
Speaker 1: i always find it fascinating ryles like the the chasm
Speaker 1: that exists between talent evaluators that work for teams and
Speaker 1: leagues and talent evaluators that work for media. Outlets And
Speaker 1: i'm not saying media members don't work hard and do
Speaker 1: the best they can?
Speaker 2: Analyze is this as? Simple can we be.
Speaker 1: As reductive AS nfl talent evaluators did not Evaluate shaudor
Speaker 1: as highly as maybe some of the media guys.
Speaker 6: DID i think that's exactly what it. Is spence and
Speaker 6: then when You're i'm not sure that he was a
Speaker 6: fifth round, talent but he was a second or third day.
Speaker 6: Talent and then when you have everything that went along with,
Speaker 6: HIM i think that some teams don't want to bring
Speaker 6: in all that went With Shador sanders for a guy
Speaker 6: that's going to be a backup, quarterback and you don't
Speaker 6: want to bring that circus to. TEN i had a
Speaker 6: chance to interview him the year before At pack twelve media.
Speaker 6: Day he And Travis hunter sat down, together And shadour
Speaker 6: couldn't have been any more rude than he was looking
Speaker 6: at His he was literally scrolling through his phone alive
Speaker 6: on the radio during the. Interview Travis hunter was a really,
Speaker 6: nice friendly, kid and you know it was kind of
Speaker 6: his first time through doing any of that. Stuff shador was, disinterested,
Speaker 6: dismissive and got up to leave before the interview was.
Speaker 6: Over it was last Question travis was answering. It he
Speaker 6: got up and kind of wandered. Off so that was
Speaker 6: my one in person experience with, him AND i know
Speaker 6: other people have had that same. EXPERIENCE i think he
Speaker 6: was a really good college. Quarterback it was really hard
Speaker 6: to judge him because his offensive line was so awful over,
Speaker 6: there and it was a little bit of an unconventional,
Speaker 6: offense so it was kind of him improvising. THINGS i,
Speaker 6: know he's a, competitor he's a really tough. Kid he's
Speaker 6: got good football. Instincts so you, know he's now going
Speaker 6: to do what a lot of people have to. Do
Speaker 6: he's got to go prove himself and if he. Could you,
Speaker 6: know the thing with THE nfl is, man they don't.
Speaker 6: Care you go out and if you can, play you could,
Speaker 6: play you'll find a spot on the, team and if you,
Speaker 6: can't they'll say thanks for coming, in. Goodbye so we'll
Speaker 6: see this. FALL i, mean it's a tough situation because
Speaker 6: you've got two veterans in whether The flaco and Pick,
Speaker 6: it and then they Drafted Dylan gabriel in the third,
Speaker 6: round and you, know there's only so many reps to go,
Speaker 6: around even in fall camp and things like. That so
Speaker 6: it'll be really interesting to see how that whole thing
Speaker 6: plays out In.
Speaker 1: Cleveland So Spring Football forever twenty two GAME i was
Speaker 1: down on the, sidelines boots on the, ground, grinding and
Speaker 1: you were up in your beautiful air conditioning studio calling the.
Speaker 1: Game SO i didn't get a chance to come say,
Speaker 1: Hello but what from your bird's eye, view just some
Speaker 1: takeaways times for a few tough fans that did not
Speaker 1: have a chance to see the. Action what were your
Speaker 1: takeaways from The forever twenty two.
Speaker 6: Game, WELL i thought Damp pierre did a lot of
Speaker 6: the same things in the game situation that we saw
Speaker 6: him do all spring. Long he's a. TALENT i was
Speaker 6: actually surprised he played as long as he. DID i
Speaker 6: know the quarterbacks weren't, live but that did surprise me
Speaker 6: a little bit because we have seen non contact injuries
Speaker 6: in spring games. Before BUT i thought he was. Terrific
Speaker 6: you know that it's hard to say with the defense
Speaker 6: because they have to run at So Vanilla Morgan scalley
Speaker 6: not able to blitz and scheme a bunch of stuff.
Speaker 6: Up BUT i think you can see athleticism, flash AND
Speaker 6: i thought that The, carvallo the young wide receiver who
Speaker 6: took that screen to the house or down inside the
Speaker 6: five yard, line showed some. FLASHES i think the running
Speaker 6: backs all looked really good in that game. Too we
Speaker 6: didn't see a single one of the starters on the offensive,
Speaker 6: line so it's hard to it's hard to judge, that
Speaker 6: But i'll tell you. What the guy THAT i noticed
Speaker 6: in practice this, spring AND i thought he had a
Speaker 6: good game during the spring game Was Bird, fickland the
Speaker 6: left handed freshman, quarterback the kid out Of. OKLAHOMA i
Speaker 6: thought the ball really left his hand. NICE i thought
Speaker 6: he moved around well, too for a kid that probably
Speaker 6: should have been at his senior prom that weekend and
Speaker 6: not playing football in the spring. GAME i thought he
Speaker 6: looked really good. Too so you, know the best thing
Speaker 6: was nobody got hurt and they got out of it.
Speaker 6: Clean AND i think they're going to be really. GOOD
Speaker 6: i Think i'm really interested to see this. SPRING i
Speaker 6: think they need to add a couple of wide, receivers you,
Speaker 6: know And beck was pretty clear about, that so it
Speaker 6: Was Kyle. Whittingham but outside of, THAT i thought it
Speaker 6: was ABOUT i thought it was a pretty clean. GAME
Speaker 6: i just kind of looked for guys at flash athletically
Speaker 6: spence and make a few. Plays AND i think they
Speaker 6: had a few of those Guys Hunter andrews.
Speaker 2: Too, yeah and you, Know, bill they were. HITTING i,
Speaker 2: mean you, know down on the.
Speaker 1: SIDELINE i was, again boots on the, ground grind you
Speaker 1: no big. DEAL i was surprised at how live the action.
Speaker 1: Was AND i know they held Out lander and SO
Speaker 1: i think there were fifteen or sixteen starters that did sit.
Speaker 1: Out but were you surprised at the physicality that you
Speaker 1: saw or was that something you were.
Speaker 2: Expecting, well that was WHAT i was.
Speaker 6: Expecting they can't be physical with the, quarterbacks but, man
Speaker 6: they could be physical with everybody. Else i'll tell you
Speaker 6: another guy that really jumped out this, spring and he
Speaker 6: actually made a couple of plays in the game With Jackson,
Speaker 6: benny the kid that played a little bit last year
Speaker 6: on special teams From olympus form the walk. On he's
Speaker 6: going to be really. Good he's built like a, linebacker
Speaker 6: but he's going to play safety in. CORNER i thought
Speaker 6: he was really good and he had a big hit
Speaker 6: in that game. Too so, no it doesn't surprise me
Speaker 6: that they were physical everywhere but with the. Quarterback because
Speaker 6: if you're going to put some shackles On scaley and
Speaker 6: say you can't be exotic and you can't do a
Speaker 6: lot of, things he's gonna be physical where he. Can
Speaker 6: so that didn't surprise.
Speaker 1: Me you referenced the wide receiver group and as you
Speaker 1: said both Coach beck and coach would have talked about.
Speaker 1: It Zach Williams zacharias last year known As zach this
Speaker 1: year lands AT sc and he had a couple of
Speaker 1: really nice plays in the spring. Game when the spring
Speaker 1: game was, OVER i asked a couple of the, coaches
Speaker 1: Including jason And, morgan are you guys expecting and, look
Speaker 1: we should be very clear that kind of the rhythm
Speaker 1: of this thing over the past four years or, so
Speaker 1: since the transfer portal became a, reality and you, KNOW
Speaker 1: byu LOSES I, Harson taggart And keel And marion right
Speaker 1: after their spring session. Ends usually springball and spring game.
Speaker 1: Happens you have exit interviews and then players. Leave it's
Speaker 1: not a, surprise BUT i think there was some surprise
Speaker 1: That zach decided to. Leave what was your response to that, Story.
Speaker 6: YEAH i. WAS i was surprised to simply because he.
Speaker 6: Was he was clearly the best wide receiver all spring.
Speaker 6: Long you mentioned plinking some plays in the spring, game
Speaker 6: and you, know wide receiver won in a program Like
Speaker 6: utah where they're going to clearly throw the ball. More this,
Speaker 6: YEAR i thought he was in a pretty good. Spot
Speaker 6: BUT i think what you've. Learned What i've, learned especially
Speaker 6: over the last couple of, years is don't be surprised
Speaker 6: by anything when it comes to the transfer. Portal and
Speaker 6: for him to have hit it so quickly but then
Speaker 6: he landed pretty, quickly tells you there was probably some
Speaker 6: stuff that was going on behind the. Scenes, SHOCKER i,
Speaker 6: know to a lot of. People but for him to,
Speaker 6: have you, know immediately after the spring, game made that
Speaker 6: decision and then landed pretty, quickly he probably tells you
Speaker 6: there were some other. Decisions so you just have to let.
Speaker 6: Me you don't know what's. COMING i don't think the
Speaker 6: coaches probably, expected BUT i think you have to expect
Speaker 6: some of that. Stuff and now you pivot and try
Speaker 6: and you, know figure out who your new wide receiver
Speaker 6: one is going to, be whether you bring him in
Speaker 6: here in the spring, portal or is somebody that's already
Speaker 6: on your.
Speaker 1: Team so the internet is full of folks with mental
Speaker 1: health issues throwing their feces at each. Other SO i
Speaker 1: don't necessarily program my show off of. It but you,
Speaker 1: reference you, know things that are clearly happening behind the.
Speaker 1: Scenes now here's the, issue so you can, say, WELL,
Speaker 1: byu they are tampering with our players OR usc here's the, Problem,
Speaker 1: like there are no rules against, it and so everybody
Speaker 1: should be doing. It if it's not against the, rules
Speaker 1: you're going to be doing. It, now The house FIRST
Speaker 1: ncaa settlement might bring some, clarity and, look you work
Speaker 1: for the, school so be careful and do what you
Speaker 1: got to. Do but is there a feel up there
Speaker 1: that The utah players are being tampered? WITH i, guess
Speaker 1: for lack of a better, term BY byu and other.
Speaker 2: Schools, WELL i.
Speaker 6: Don't, WELL i think tampering's happening Everywhere spence and there
Speaker 6: are actually rules against. It you're not supposed to reach
Speaker 6: out unless the if the kid declares for the, portal
Speaker 6: that's where the communication is supposed to. BEGIN i don't
Speaker 6: think that that's necessarily the case across intercollegiate, athletics but
Speaker 6: that's that's the case. Now with The house, settlement it's
Speaker 6: supposed to put guardrails on. It there's supposed to be
Speaker 6: a third party that will be. Monitoring we'll see if
Speaker 6: that happens or, not but as of right, NOW i
Speaker 6: think it's probably happening all over college. ATHLETICS i think
Speaker 6: it probably has been for a number of, years BUT
Speaker 6: i think, NOW i think because THE ncaa has kind
Speaker 6: of has kind of removed itself in a lot of,
Speaker 6: WAYS i think a lot of people feel emboldened to
Speaker 6: do this. Stuff SO i don't know who's doing, it
Speaker 6: BUT i mean it's it's clearly happening around collegiate.
Speaker 1: Athletics there's a report from two four seven The utah
Speaker 1: is hosting a cow wide receiver Name Tobias merriweather for
Speaker 1: a visit. Today any any insight as to the plans
Speaker 1: THAT utah has didn't maybe try to restock that wide receiver.
Speaker 6: ROOM i just know that they're they're according to my
Speaker 6: conversations With Jason, beck we actually had him on during the,
Speaker 6: broadcast and he said that they would be active in
Speaker 6: the in the transfer portal looking for some help at wide.
Speaker 6: Receivers so anybody that it doesn't surprise me at all
Speaker 6: that they're bringing some guys. In and again THIS i don't.
Speaker 6: Know you, know there's a lot of guys in the.
Speaker 6: Spring they're they're probably not as, plentiful the big play
Speaker 6: guys as you would have in the, fall but there's
Speaker 6: plenty of talented guys out. There AND i used this
Speaker 6: example a. Lot you don't have to find them for
Speaker 6: the big. PROGRAMS i, mean look at the guy that
Speaker 6: was taking over the weekend in THE Nfl, draft The
Speaker 6: Iowa state wide Receiver Jayden. HIGGINS i believe he played
Speaker 6: his first two years of college football At Eastern kentucky
Speaker 6: and then he you, Know Iowa state found and brought
Speaker 6: him in and he became a you, know first Team
Speaker 6: All big twelve second round draft. Pick so there's so
Speaker 6: many guys and so many schools out there THAT i
Speaker 6: have no doubt that they're going to bring a lot
Speaker 6: of guys. In AND i you, KNOW i THINK i
Speaker 6: don't know what the magic number. Is my guess would
Speaker 6: be they'd probably like to have one or two guys
Speaker 6: that they could they could get to add to their.
Speaker 6: Numbers and, obviously with the loss Of Zacharias, williams we
Speaker 6: ought to fill that spot as. Well SO i don't
Speaker 6: know anything about any of the guys they brought, in.
Speaker 1: Though try and Analyze big twelve football this season In
Speaker 1: may On may first as an exercise and. Futility But
Speaker 1: i'll just go off The vegas lines right. Now you
Speaker 1: can get odds For Arizona, State Kansas, state And Texas
Speaker 1: tech at eight point five. Wins so those are the
Speaker 1: three teams That vegas is telling us as the best
Speaker 1: chance to win the most. GAMES i, MEAN i could
Speaker 1: go to some blog and tell you what they, think
Speaker 1: BUT i don't. Know In, may and then right behind
Speaker 1: them IS byu And utah AND i was stayed at
Speaker 1: seven point. Five does that kind of jive with where
Speaker 1: your head is at right now generally, speaking how this
Speaker 1: conference might play.
Speaker 6: Out that seems, LIKE i, mean that's the over, under you,
Speaker 6: know you take the over the Under i'm. Getting, Yeah,
Speaker 6: yeah that seems like a pretty low number for a
Speaker 6: lot of those. Schools they're basically saying they see the
Speaker 6: winner of The Big twelve having roughly in the neighborhood
Speaker 6: of nine, wins which may be the. CASE i, mean this,
Speaker 6: conference we used to joke about THE pac twelve cannibalizing.
Speaker 6: ITSELF i would say The big twelve could probably do
Speaker 6: that as. Well, YEAH i haven't looked close enough at, it,
Speaker 6: because like you, said It's may. FIRST i figured i'd
Speaker 6: dig in on it a little bit after the rosters
Speaker 6: kind of balance themselves out sometime In. June those numbers
Speaker 6: for whatever, reason feel a little low to, me but
Speaker 6: you know they're probably in the.
Speaker 1: Neighborhood i'll ask you a question that's been posed to
Speaker 1: me at different stops and questions That i've, poked you,
Speaker 1: know a question That i've posed other college football. Guests
Speaker 1: what gives You bill the most confidence the year two
Speaker 1: in The Big twelve will be better for you top
Speaker 1: football than your one.
Speaker 6: Was, well, again the offensive line might be the best
Speaker 6: in college, football certainly going to be the best in
Speaker 6: The Big. Twelve the defense brings back a lot of
Speaker 6: really good player. Performers And i'll say this BECAUSE i
Speaker 6: had a front row seat for every game last. Year
Speaker 6: team competed and played really. Hard they were wildly deficient
Speaker 6: at one, position and had that had quarterback played been
Speaker 6: better For utah last, year just at an average level
Speaker 6: as it kind of was the year, before the season
Speaker 6: would look a lot. DIFFERENT i think a lot of
Speaker 6: people are looking in, saying, well five wins the had
Speaker 6: down program things like, That, well it's really back to
Speaker 6: back years without your first string. Quarterback and they managed
Speaker 6: eight wins the year before With bryce And barnes because
Speaker 6: he had been in that system for three years and
Speaker 6: knew it. Inside, Now Andy ludwig systems really, complicated and
Speaker 6: last year they didn't have a quarterback that knew it
Speaker 6: well at. All SO i think with a new offensive
Speaker 6: system and a dynamic, quarterback if you can keep him
Speaker 6: upright and this offensive line's really, GOOD i think This
Speaker 6: utah team was probably an eight nine ten win team
Speaker 6: a year ago if they had a Healthy Cam. RISING
Speaker 6: i think that they can be in that same range
Speaker 6: again this year if they keep the quarterback upright and
Speaker 6: find one or two playmakers in the past.
Speaker 2: Game all, Right rile's last.
Speaker 1: Thing The Dallas mavericks lose to The Memphis grizzlies in
Speaker 1: the playing, game which Allowed Alex jensen allocatas full time
Speaker 1: and energy to his new job as the head. Coach
Speaker 1: John McHenry is the latest transfer seventeen points three boards
Speaker 1: couple of assists At Western. Kentucky by my, CALCULATIONS i
Speaker 1: think there are five roster spots left For alex.
Speaker 2: And Coach chilias And west and the group to.
Speaker 1: Fill so just give us an update the progress and
Speaker 1: if you have a chance to kind of communicate and
Speaker 1: see any of these coaches up.
Speaker 2: There and how the project is. Going to Rebuild utah men's.
Speaker 6: Basketball i'm actually spence getting a. Chance over the next several,
Speaker 6: days we're going to do some sit, down one on
Speaker 6: one interviews nice with these, coaches which you guys will
Speaker 6: see in the coming. Weeks SO i haven't met and
Speaker 6: spoken a lot to a lot Of alex, obviously and
Speaker 6: Coach chilius i've spoken to on a couple of occasions
Speaker 6: because he been around an awful. LOT a lot of
Speaker 6: the other guys, now they're all pretty set. HERE i
Speaker 6: Think Martin schiller will be the last one to come
Speaker 6: over From, germany but they're pretty set. Now So i'm
Speaker 6: looking forward to getting a chance to really meet these
Speaker 6: guys and talk to these guys and kind of get
Speaker 6: their feel for where they. ARE i can't really speak
Speaker 6: to the recruits themselves only because none of them have
Speaker 6: officially signed. It they've all, committed and BECAUSE i work
Speaker 6: for the athletic department, Now i'm not technically allowed to
Speaker 6: speak about them until they're officially. Signed so on a
Speaker 6: future show with, YOU i will go very much in
Speaker 6: depth with these, guys AND i think we'll probably see
Speaker 6: that pretty. Soon BUT i know they've gotten a lot
Speaker 6: of commitments from some players they really. Like So i'm
Speaker 6: just really looking forward to getting a chance to talk
Speaker 6: to these guys BECAUSE i Think alex has put together
Speaker 6: a really unique. Staff he hasn't gone with, that you,
Speaker 6: Know i'm going to hire seventeen assistant coaches and staff.
Speaker 6: MEMBERS i think he's kind of valued quality over quantity
Speaker 6: and kept a little bit tighter. Group But i'm really
Speaker 6: anxious over the next week or, So i'm going to
Speaker 6: get a chance to sit down with each new staff
Speaker 6: member and and do a one on one with.
Speaker 1: Them just pass along the message and find out if
Speaker 1: there's any interest in signing a forty seven year old
Speaker 1: gunner who will not guard or.
Speaker 6: Pass, well you'd be a lot Like Luka. Doncic then
Speaker 6: you're just a little bit.
Speaker 2: Older fair, enough fair, enough R.
Speaker 6: Luca, passes but he doesn't. Guard what what do you?
Speaker 2: Mean did?
Speaker 6: You by the, way what did you make of the
Speaker 6: Whole halliburton's dad And yannis's face thing the other?
Speaker 1: Night whenever the family member is the, story it's never.
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Speaker 1: family member instead of. It LIKE i, think like if
Speaker 1: that was you OR I, bill we'd be banned from
Speaker 1: AN nba. Arena we would never attend ANOTHER nba. GAME
Speaker 1: i think they should send a very stern. Message it
Speaker 1: was a horrible look and he took the shine off
Speaker 1: his son's, moment you know WHAT i?
Speaker 2: Mean like everything about it was just clown.
Speaker 6: Behavior by the, way they did come out this say.
Speaker 6: Afternoon pacers had banned him the rest of the.
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Speaker 2: good good good. Good all, right my, friend great to see.
Speaker 2: You let's get together. Soon.
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Speaker 1: The Salt Lake, Tribune Aaron, Fall Happy, thursday.
Speaker 2: Sir how are? YOU I i'm.
Speaker 1: Great how are you Spend i'm. Great it's great to see.
Speaker 1: YOU i know you're a busy, guy so thank you
Speaker 1: for the.
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Speaker 1: i think you're. Saying if you want to see What
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Speaker 2: At you're, good, buddy all, Right?
Speaker 3: Aaron? Right?
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Speaker 1: UP k typically wears the shirt of the picture of
Speaker 1: you From Talking.
Speaker 2: Sports, yeah that's that's a nice.
Speaker 7: TOUCH i GOTTA i got to pull out some of
Speaker 7: my my Specific kamarani merch next. Time do you have
Speaker 7: a SPECIFIC k? Shirt, Yeah i've Got i've Got i've
Speaker 7: got C k. Merchant there was a period of time
Speaker 7: WHERE i think that was our that was our love.
Speaker 2: Language you, know we.
Speaker 7: Humiliated each other with CUSTOM t shirts and in all
Speaker 7: of our, friends not Just kimarani AND. I it was
Speaker 7: it was too expensive and we spent way too much
Speaker 7: money doing, this but we did it for two or three.
Speaker 2: YEARS i mean it was a long.
Speaker 1: Time you have a face swap Of Kyle, goon is IT? Tj,
Speaker 1: yes that's a great.
Speaker 7: Shirt, yeah, yeah, exactly many things like. That it's just weird,
Speaker 7: things you, know stuck on, planes playing with your. Phone
Speaker 7: dumb things, happen and and we made merch and you,
Speaker 7: know we made memories, really.
Speaker 1: And that's what it's all. About what is your love?
Speaker 1: Language by the, way eron.
Speaker 2: Peace and quiet and? Quiet, okay that.
Speaker 1: Is that, one because if that's, ONE i finally figured mine.
Speaker 7: Out, no you, KNOW i think you, know if we're
Speaker 7: going to answer, honestly quality, time quality, time, okay love. It,
Speaker 7: well we're about to spend some quality time, Together.
Speaker 1: Aaron the easy thing to do today is to look
Speaker 1: at The Utah jazz roster from twenty twenty one and
Speaker 1: See Donovan, mitchell who's about to be a first Team
Speaker 1: ALL Nba player and will even get SOME mvp. Votes
Speaker 1: he might finish third or. Fourth it's probably gonna Be
Speaker 1: shay and. Yokah to look At Rudy, gobert who just
Speaker 1: had potentially the best postseason game he's ever had last.
Speaker 1: Night it helps that it was against The, lakers so
Speaker 1: the world was. Watching and Then Mike conley hit a
Speaker 1: couple of dagger. Threes to be, Fair mike his age
Speaker 1: a little, bit but he was really good last. Night
Speaker 1: George nyang had a good. Season then there there's the
Speaker 1: boy On bogdanovitch's of the. World the easy thing to
Speaker 1: do today is to, say, wow did you blow it
Speaker 1: by breaking that group down In Salt Lake, City, utah
Speaker 1: where it's hard to get. Talent, okay that's the easy
Speaker 1: thing to do. Today what's the fair thing to say
Speaker 1: about that entire?
Speaker 7: PROCESS i was thinking about this AND i do, think you,
Speaker 7: KNOW i, mean, okay, sure, Sure George nang had a you,
Speaker 7: know had some. Moments like you, Said mike, looked you,
Speaker 7: know looked better last night than he has throughout the
Speaker 7: last little bit as he's gotten a little bit. Older
Speaker 7: but both of these, guys Both rudy And donovan went
Speaker 7: to better teams THAN i think would have existed In Salt.
Speaker 7: Lake and so if you, are you, know a believer
Speaker 7: in you, know we're living for the now and playoffs
Speaker 7: is a good.
Speaker 2: Time and you know we have two.
Speaker 7: Star level players and truthfully may not achieve a duo
Speaker 7: like that anytime. SOON i can you know, YOU i
Speaker 7: think you're you have a fair argument to be frustrated and, say,
Speaker 7: hey we should have been a playoff. Team we should
Speaker 7: have given ourselves a few bites at this and maybe
Speaker 7: maybe you get lucky and break. Through BUT i think
Speaker 7: if you look at it, realistically the talent that That
Speaker 7: rudy has around him in In minnesota is better than
Speaker 7: A Rudy donovan team was. Here AND i think the
Speaker 7: talent That donovan has around him In cleveland is better
Speaker 7: than A Rudy donovant team would have been. HERE i,
Speaker 7: mean no disrespect to The royce O'Neills of the, world
Speaker 7: and and you, know and Boy on has has not
Speaker 7: be you, know it's not the person that Boy on
Speaker 7: was when he had the surgery in the bubble that
Speaker 7: that pandemic. Season BUT i don't think that that cast
Speaker 7: of players matches either one of those, Teams AND i
Speaker 7: don't think that there were a lot of avenues for
Speaker 7: bringing in that kind of. Talent there's No garland, coming
Speaker 7: there's No Julius randall coming on the other. End and you,
Speaker 7: know even if you say That donovan is as good
Speaker 7: as ant or or, WHATEVER i just don't think that
Speaker 7: you have the cast that supports either of them the
Speaker 7: way that they do in their current.
Speaker 2: Situations the fair and well.
Speaker 1: Said So i'll reduce it to a, question do you
Speaker 1: think because you, know for whatever, Reason Dennis lindsay meets
Speaker 1: with the new ownership group and decides, Like i'm, out all,
Speaker 1: right So i'll be the, consultant, essentially pay out my
Speaker 1: contract and all exit states left and wear leather jackets and.
Speaker 1: Such quinn himself said no pathway. Forward so the decision
Speaker 1: to break that team down brick by brick essentially Was danny's,
Speaker 1: right and Probably Jay z as well a little, bit
Speaker 1: who was still part of the.
Speaker 2: Equation do you think it was the right call in?
Speaker 7: RETROSPECT i think, So AND i think even even if
Speaker 7: you even if we you, know take WHAT i just
Speaker 7: said and maybe you, disagree and maybe you think that
Speaker 7: that cast is as good as one of those. Teams
Speaker 7: and maybe, NO i think you're, correct but for the
Speaker 7: sake of, ARGUMENT i think that those two guys had
Speaker 7: real issues with each other, obviously and you, know sometimes
Speaker 7: you got a break up and and you, know maybe
Speaker 7: maybe you could, say, hey if you stick together for
Speaker 7: another seven six seven, years you, know everything heals, over
Speaker 7: we've got, scars we move. ON i just don't think
Speaker 7: that you get there very. Quickly AND i think that
Speaker 7: both of those guys are in better places because of a.
Speaker 7: Breakup and SO i do think ultimately right. Choice it
Speaker 7: doesn't mean that it's not doesn't mean that it's not,
Speaker 7: painful and doesn't mean that that that's not gonna be
Speaker 7: the high water mark for a long. TIME i mean
Speaker 7: that very, well maybe as good as it gets for
Speaker 7: ten or twenty.
Speaker 2: YEARS i don't. Know, yeah, yeah you.
Speaker 1: Know it's it's funny because and this is a little
Speaker 1: bit at apples and, oranges and it's always dangerous to
Speaker 1: compare eras and different operating styles of eras and the
Speaker 1: way teams have to go about their, business and certainly
Speaker 1: the uniqueness Of John stockton And Karl, malone who stayed
Speaker 1: in our market for basically twenty. Years But John stockton
Speaker 1: And Carl malone were together for eleven and twelve years
Speaker 1: before they went to the. Finals, Right so in nineteen eighty,
Speaker 1: Eight john And Carl mark Eaton Bobby, hanson that group
Speaker 1: they Take Magic, Johnson Kareem Abdul, jabbar That laker team
Speaker 1: to seven games and almost beat, Them and that was
Speaker 1: kind of the NBA's wake up, call, like, oh that
Speaker 1: team In salta's pretty. Good the next, Year Terry, teagle
Speaker 1: a random cast Of Golden State warriors sweep. Them so
Speaker 1: If Scott layden decided in nineteen eighty nine pulling the
Speaker 1: plug they can't get it down to the, playoffs that
Speaker 1: takes away seven eight years later of when they actually
Speaker 1: go to the.
Speaker 2: Finals. Right you see the parallel.
Speaker 1: Here so look, again this is a little bit unfair
Speaker 1: because we can again be reductive and say one person
Speaker 1: blew this whole thing, up and he's playing In. Cleveland
Speaker 1: this was A Donovan, MITCHELL i don't want to live
Speaker 1: in Salt lake.
Speaker 2: Anymore summer At George.
Speaker 1: Floyd Black Lives matter kind of finds his, voice which is,
Speaker 1: fine you, know, ao no issue with. It we have
Speaker 1: a was it a Senator adams or whatever who Tells
Speaker 1: donovan get. Educated like the whole, thing the way it went,
Speaker 1: down has to be talked about in order to be.
Speaker 1: Fair but there is a space in my mind that,
Speaker 1: Exists Like donovan had two years left on his, deal
Speaker 1: and you say to, him you're under, contract you play for,
Speaker 1: us and then maybe for two more, years you try
Speaker 1: to convince him that he can win. Here and if
Speaker 1: somehow that, happens Maybe rudy And donovan learn the Lessons
Speaker 1: john And carl do for the next seven or Eight
Speaker 1: you understand What i'm, saying extremely hypothetic and you can
Speaker 1: only misbehave.
Speaker 7: Like, this or you get to that place and you,
Speaker 7: know you get to the end of a tracked and
Speaker 7: you basically lose all your leverage and you don't get
Speaker 7: package back For donovan or For.
Speaker 2: Rudy rudy ages.
Speaker 7: Out maybe you, know something happens and you, know butterfly
Speaker 7: flaps its wings and caught her fly and here we.
Speaker 7: Are BUT i you, KNOW i THINK i think that
Speaker 7: it makes sense on paper to have done what they.
Speaker 7: Did it hurts the heart of people who want to
Speaker 7: watch quality, basketball right because it was not a season
Speaker 7: to pay attention TO i mean if you're if you
Speaker 7: watched all eighty two of, those you're a. Sikoh good for.
Speaker 7: You but there was no reason to be invested in
Speaker 7: what was happening on that court in any meaningful way
Speaker 7: this this. Year so if you're, HURT i completely. Understand
Speaker 7: BUT i think on, paper it was the strategically sound
Speaker 7: thing to, do knowing that you might not get those packages.
Speaker 1: Back, okay one more thing, here let's operate off the hypothetical.
Speaker 1: Again we can misbehave on sports soccreatio in a way
Speaker 1: you can. Elsewhere let's Say danny Sits Alan donovan and all,
Speaker 1: right it's clear that in two years you're. Leaving all,
Speaker 1: right so we're gonna trade you to your, point because
Speaker 1: if you don't, TRADE i mean he leaves in two
Speaker 1: years for, nothing you Get Gordon hayward all over, again
Speaker 1: which sets your franchise. Back The mitchell trade Brought Colin
Speaker 1: Sexton lowry, Marketing Ochai, obaji who by the, way played
Speaker 1: well In toronto this, year and three first round.
Speaker 2: Picks and two.
Speaker 1: Pickswaps what if you do The mitchell trade and you
Speaker 1: hang on To Go, bear and suddenly your starting lineup
Speaker 1: is Go Beart, lowry marketing, Boy Am, Bogdanovitch Mike, CONLEY
Speaker 1: i don't, Know clarkson, whatever And obaji the other piece
Speaker 1: Is Colin sexton's brought?
Speaker 2: In what does that look?
Speaker 1: Like And quinn, decides, Okay i'll stay there's a pathway
Speaker 1: forward because we're not completely rebuilding.
Speaker 2: Or Or quinn.
Speaker 7: DOESN'T i, mean you know there's a chance there that,
Speaker 7: that you, Know Quinn snyder a GOOD nba, coach great
Speaker 7: maybe GREAT nba, coach he runs into a situation where you,
Speaker 7: know your voice doesn't sound the, same you lose a
Speaker 7: locker room a little, bit or you just need you
Speaker 7: just need to shake things. Up so maybe maybe there's
Speaker 7: another piece there. Where if it's Not Will, hardy it's
Speaker 7: somebody else who comes in and can uh take over
Speaker 7: and you, know give you a little bit more energy
Speaker 7: in that. WAY i don't, know BUT i MEAN i,
Speaker 7: AGREE i THINK i think those are our good. Teams,
Speaker 7: again probably not a championship level. Team and you also
Speaker 7: run the risk of you, Know rudy aging out and
Speaker 7: being you, know the end the on the on the
Speaker 7: downward slope of a career arc and you're, like why
Speaker 7: did we do? This so with a big contract, Too,
Speaker 7: yes the huge, contract and a guy who as talented
Speaker 7: as he is does a thing that everyone here you,
Speaker 7: know can can appreciate and, respect but does get either
Speaker 7: exploited or you, know gets get some blame for in
Speaker 7: in you, know the kind of the national. Landscape and
Speaker 7: maybe that's not a winning combination all the. Time, sure
Speaker 7: last night was, great but so, far you, know it
Speaker 7: hasn't exactly won anyone a championship just.
Speaker 1: Yet, well and to be fair about last, night he
Speaker 1: was catching lobs, over Gave, vincent who's your hYP you,
Speaker 1: know Like rehddick decided to go by the way that
Speaker 1: good good size in.
Speaker 2: Girth while we're at, IT.
Speaker 1: I, Mean reddick went all, small, Right and so in
Speaker 1: order to be, fair it's not like they were throwing
Speaker 1: it To rudy on the block and he was giving
Speaker 1: you The Hakeem olajuan dream.
Speaker 2: SHAKE i mean he. Was he had nine, dunks nine.
Speaker 1: Offense, look he was, awesome but it was against a
Speaker 1: team that went completely.
Speaker 2: Small let's, see all, right.
Speaker 1: One more thing, here because every TIME i, like for,
Speaker 1: instance The pistons in the next play, tonight The pistons
Speaker 1: have lost nine straight home playoff. Games they have not
Speaker 1: won a home playoff game since two thousand and, eight
Speaker 1: which for, Guys i'm older than, you but you Remember
Speaker 1: Isaiah thomas and the bad boys in The Great pistons.
Speaker 1: Basketball minnesota just won a first round playoff. Series they
Speaker 1: did the same thing last. Year it was the first
Speaker 1: time in the history The timberwolves that they have two
Speaker 1: straight years where they won a playoff. Series we could
Speaker 1: talk About washington the last time that they were. Decent
Speaker 1: and my fear is if On may, twelfth you, know
Speaker 1: The jazz are picking fourth or, fifth we could be
Speaker 1: one of those markets that's spinning their. Wheels for, fourteen,
Speaker 1: fifteen sixteen, years we've just been spoiled because we've never
Speaker 1: had that. Happen it's commonplace in pro basketball to have,
Speaker 1: decades if, not you, know a, decade if not, more
Speaker 1: of no playoff, basketball no playoff.
Speaker 2: Success and it doesn't have to be in a small.
Speaker 1: Market The New York knicks from like nineteen ninety nine
Speaker 1: to twenty, thirteen fourteen were a. Joke is there a
Speaker 1: fear underlying fear in this? Market, like all, right maybe
Speaker 1: we get one In Cooper, flag maybe we. Don't and
Speaker 1: the dirty little secret is they're Not Cooper flag away
Speaker 1: from even being, Good like they're a long way away
Speaker 1: from even being.
Speaker 7: Good, WELL i think you know there there probably needs
Speaker 7: to be some level set of expectation going into into
Speaker 7: that lottery BECAUSE i think there are a lot of
Speaker 7: people people and even if they know the math and
Speaker 7: they've heard that, number they think we did we did
Speaker 7: the hard, work we did the dirty, work and Now
Speaker 7: Cooper flag is the next. Step those numbers are not
Speaker 7: in your. Favor, yes you gave yourself the best chance possible.
Speaker 2: Fourteen.
Speaker 7: Percent there's gonna be a lot of you, know there's
Speaker 7: the potential high higher, Potential, yeah a lot of disappointed
Speaker 7: fans when when those ping pong balls are read. Out so,
Speaker 7: yes so to your, point, absolutely, okay see incredible.
Speaker 2: Rebuild that's that's going to be more rare than They.
Speaker 7: Yeah, sure you, know it could be a long time
Speaker 7: and if they don't Get Cooper, flag or maybe even
Speaker 7: if they, DO i mean it's going to be a
Speaker 7: lot like this next. Year you, know and you look
Speaker 7: at you, know What hinky did In philly and the
Speaker 7: number of they got number ones out of that or you,
Speaker 7: know and those and always pan out. Either, SO i,
Speaker 7: mean it's just there isn't a magic way to get this,
Speaker 7: done but.
Speaker 2: Through the.
Speaker 7: PAIN i think you know there is, potential but there
Speaker 7: could be a lot of pain before we get.
Speaker 2: There you got to have a lot of luck fall your.
Speaker 1: WAY i know you were not working with the team
Speaker 1: when the deconstruction, happened but what's your understanding of just
Speaker 1: how how bad a guy With donaga behind the?
Speaker 2: Scenes?
Speaker 1: Why because look a lot of attention this year in THE, nba,
Speaker 1: like how Could Nico harrison trade a twenty five year
Speaker 1: old superstar in his?
Speaker 2: Prime that never?
Speaker 1: Happens happened? Here donovan's Not, luca but it happened here
Speaker 1: and In Salt. Lake when you have a talent like,
Speaker 1: that you've got to do everything you can to hang
Speaker 1: on to, him which has to indicate behind the, scenes
Speaker 1: it got it Got, harry it got.
Speaker 2: Bad what's your understanding of how that went?
Speaker 3: Down?
Speaker 7: Yeah AND i don't know all the ins and, outs
Speaker 7: but certainly there was very real frustration intension with Between
Speaker 7: donovan And, rudy and, certainly you, know As donovan voiced
Speaker 7: himself and felt more comfortable saying after, leaving he obviously
Speaker 7: had real problems with how he was treated while he
Speaker 7: lived in the, state by, politicians by you, know maybe
Speaker 7: just maybe just perception even but so, NO i think
Speaker 7: definitely a real. Problem and, yeah AGAIN i don't know
Speaker 7: all the ins and, outs but that's. Somebody but people
Speaker 7: with the best information thought that was the best.
Speaker 2: Move so here we.
Speaker 1: Go, Sure AND i always try to be very sensitive
Speaker 1: to dynamics THAT i don't. Understand i'm a white man
Speaker 1: who lives In Salt. LAKE i don't know what it's
Speaker 1: like to be a black man living In Salt lake
Speaker 1: WHEN i think it's two point seven percent of our
Speaker 1: city As African. American so it's easy for me to
Speaker 1: say AND i am going to say this BECAUSE i
Speaker 1: felt Like donovan walked on water. Here and, yes there
Speaker 1: was The Stewart adams dumb.
Speaker 2: Thing, SAY i JUST i don't, Know LIKE i, Said
Speaker 2: i'm Not. DONOVAN i can't relate to that.
Speaker 1: Experience but from my vantage, POINT i felt like people
Speaker 1: Loved Donovan mitchell here In.
Speaker 7: UTAH i think that's, true you, know and, certainly you,
Speaker 7: know people Love Donovan mitchell the athlete and the success
Speaker 7: that that he brought and the joy that he brought
Speaker 7: to a fan. BASE i you, know, Again i'm with,
Speaker 7: you white guy living In Salt Lake. CITY i can
Speaker 7: imagine that it would be tough to, be you, know
Speaker 7: in in that grade of a minority and not see
Speaker 7: many people who look like you and feel that maybe you,
Speaker 7: know you, are whether whether it's real organ perception that
Speaker 7: feel like you're being you, know judged or, watched or
Speaker 7: that the weight is on. You and there are people
Speaker 7: who study these things that feel, that you, know say
Speaker 7: like there is a level of pressure that somebody in that,
Speaker 7: situation star, athlete you, know or or a voice for you,
Speaker 7: know a minority group feels and and has to sort
Speaker 7: of like, uh process and deal with that goes beyond
Speaker 7: what we can what we can. Understand SO i think
Speaker 7: THAT i think that's that's a real. THING i mean,
Speaker 7: again hard to hard to, know hard to, know whether you,
Speaker 7: Know and you're putting maybe some thoughts Into, okay yes
Speaker 7: you're cheering me in the, arena but based on the
Speaker 7: policies that get voted into in the, state based on
Speaker 7: what people say about other, things you, know like, yeah
Speaker 7: you know you're not saying this to, me but you're
Speaker 7: saying this about someone who is like, me or looks like,
Speaker 7: me or things like.
Speaker 2: ME i can see how that can be. Frustrate, yeah very,
Speaker 2: fair good.
Speaker 1: Perspective the other last thing, Here the other thing Is donovan's.
Speaker 1: Generation he's twenty eight, now so you, know twenty, five
Speaker 1: twenty six when he left. Here it's easy for me to,
Speaker 1: say don't look at your, mentions or get off get Off,
Speaker 1: twitter get Off, instagram stop reading direct. Messages this generation behind, Us.
Speaker 1: Aaron they were raised with cell phones and social media
Speaker 1: as their friends and their babysitters in a way that
Speaker 1: we just.
Speaker 2: Weren't SO i never look at my.
Speaker 1: Mentions i've got my direct messages open On. Instagram if
Speaker 1: people send me something, Decent i'll interact and OTHERWISE i ignore.
Speaker 2: It but the social.
Speaker 1: Media backlash that he took here in the state after
Speaker 1: he started speaking, up it's easy for me to, say
Speaker 1: don't read, it but they all read. IT i, mean
Speaker 1: coaches in THE nba talk about going in to the
Speaker 1: locker room at halftime to give a speech and all
Speaker 1: the players have their phone looking like looking at their.
Speaker 1: Mentions that probably didn't help the way that he seemed
Speaker 1: to be a tapped online after he started kind of
Speaker 1: expressing his, views no.
Speaker 7: Doubt, well and and you know the old it's the switcheroo,
Speaker 7: THERE i, mean you think about, yeah, okay so we
Speaker 7: were talking about all the negative that comes from. That
Speaker 7: but for, huge for, years you, know from from probably high,
Speaker 7: school maybe before high school Into louisville into the earliest,
Speaker 7: days he was getting tons of positive.
Speaker 2: Feedback you, know brain is firing, good, good good.
Speaker 7: Good and then all of a, sudden like the thing
Speaker 7: that you know has given you a bunch of very
Speaker 7: positive reinforcement in your in your life collapses on. You
Speaker 7: and you, know it takes a while to break a.
Speaker 7: Habit if that's you, know it's, hard hard to put
Speaker 7: away the mentions right.
Speaker 1: Right one more thing, here because you WERE i still
Speaker 1: can't believe you had this. Experience you were in the
Speaker 1: bubble In orlando when THE nba resumed. Playing how do
Speaker 1: you THINK covid changed? Them how do you THINK covid
Speaker 1: changed that? Group Because i'll always maintain OBVIOUSLY covid changed
Speaker 1: a lot of, things and basketball is not the most important.
Speaker 1: Thing but how did THE covid experience change that?
Speaker 2: Group?
Speaker 7: Yeah, WELL i think definitely there was you, know whatever
Speaker 7: differences That donovan And rudy had There here was another
Speaker 7: point of, frustration you, Know donovan believing That rudy got
Speaker 7: him sick early on in the initial days of a,
Speaker 7: pandemic when you didn't know what that meant, for you,
Speaker 7: know somebody Like, donovan you, know because you, know would
Speaker 7: it impact him as an? Athlete would it impact you? Know,
Speaker 7: Again so so here here's someone who's already under your,
Speaker 7: skin and now you're blaming them for putting you in
Speaker 7: a situation that you really really don't want to be.
Speaker 2: In SO i.
Speaker 7: THINK i think watching that and watching you, know kind
Speaker 7: of the, Restart, uh there was sort of a. CHILLING
Speaker 7: i think they did try to bridge, things you, know
Speaker 7: and maybe there was a, chance a great reset that
Speaker 7: the pandemic there give, us all, right and then you
Speaker 7: lose because Because Mike, conley smart guy planned a pregnancy
Speaker 7: with this with his wife to happen during THE nbaf.
Speaker 7: Season but the nb off season becomes the, playoffs, right
Speaker 7: and he goes back home and you, know throws off
Speaker 7: a little rhythm there because Boy bogdanovitch gets hurt and
Speaker 7: needs surgery and isn't there and because you you, know
Speaker 7: choke away what should have been an easy seemed an
Speaker 7: easy win over the over That nuggets team at that.
Speaker 7: Point and maybe if you, win maybe if you if
Speaker 7: you make a run to the conference finals or something like,
Speaker 7: that even in the, bubble maybe that sets you up
Speaker 7: for more success and a chance to go. Over but you, take,
Speaker 7: yeah we've we've just. Lost we don't don't have that.
Speaker 7: Taste then we come back and you, know get run
Speaker 7: out of the building early, on vibes are very very.
Speaker 1: Down, yeah, yeah five years ago that you were in that.
Speaker 1: Bubble it's, wild they can, Say or isn't it truly?
Speaker 7: Insane and, uh you, Know i've it's very. Funny it's
Speaker 7: like it just becomes part of a. Personality we're we're so,
Speaker 7: old we're SO i feel like it's just like this
Speaker 7: is the depression for us or something like, that, right
Speaker 7: like we have to talk about. It it's a central
Speaker 7: point in. Everything and then there's just people that don't.
Speaker 7: Care it's not gonna bother them. Anymore let it, go
Speaker 7: And i'm trying to get to that.
Speaker 2: Place there you, Go, yeah let. Go let got er all?
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Speaker 1: Okay so the headline ON espn dot com is this
Speaker 1: mammoth gaff question Mark utah mom on name after leak.
Speaker 2: C k yesterday on the. Show more.
Speaker 1: Interested in the angle of who is up at two
Speaker 1: am monitoring The Utah Hockey club YouTube?
Speaker 2: Handle and why are we doing? This for?
Speaker 1: Me it's another dynamic where who's asleep at the wheel over?
Speaker 1: THERE i, mean this reeks of the whole, like, hey
Speaker 1: we're gonna leak the Yellow jazz jerseys accidentally and then, say,
Speaker 1: Wait purple's. Back so it appears that The Utah Hockey
Speaker 1: club accidentally let the cat out of the, bag and
Speaker 1: the hockey club, henceforth in forever will be known as
Speaker 1: The Utah, mammoth WHICH i think is so bad for
Speaker 1: so many different. Reasons but this is another Embarrassing, look,
Speaker 1: man that's my.
Speaker 2: Opinion where you at with?
Speaker 6: It?
Speaker 2: OH i, MEAN i.
Speaker 7: It's hard for me to get very worked up about
Speaker 7: something like.
Speaker 2: THAT i, Mean i'm not losing. Sleep, yeah you, KNOW.
Speaker 7: I think having worked in that, world you know sort of,
Speaker 7: before like a lot of different people doing a lot
Speaker 7: of different, things and you, know, again did somebody make
Speaker 7: sure just we need to we need to secure, this
Speaker 7: to make sure that this handle exists on, YouTube and,
Speaker 7: uh you know you're you're trying to just lock it.
Speaker 7: Down and then oh, no you, know we've we've we've
Speaker 7: confirmed when we should not have. CONFIRMED i, MEAN i don't.
Speaker 7: Know and then and then the other thing is, like
Speaker 7: what's the bad? Publicity you, know, no there's no there's
Speaker 7: no bad publicity publicity if you think this is if
Speaker 7: this is the, name and you get people talking about it,
Speaker 7: again you, know your team's not in the, playoffs and
Speaker 7: all of a sudden you. Are you, know it's a
Speaker 7: there's a bunch of really good stuff happening in THE
Speaker 7: nhl playoffs and you became a story again. Today like
Speaker 7: that's not too bad for me, Either SO i, mean,
Speaker 7: uh to, me not a bad look. NECESSARILY i just
Speaker 7: think that you're talking about a bunch of people doing
Speaker 7: a bunch of random.
Speaker 2: Things it's like not that high.
Speaker 1: Level does it make the actual announcement a little anti
Speaker 1: climactic since we know what the name is going to
Speaker 1: be now or is there a possibility that this actually
Speaker 1: Is to your, point were they just messing?
Speaker 7: Around maybe this isn't the. NAME i don't think they're messing.
Speaker 7: AROUND i MEAN i saw that the comment, when you,
Speaker 7: know WHEN i asked about, it that they, said, hey
Speaker 7: we're still exploring all three. NAMES i can't really believe
Speaker 7: that at this late date you're equally exploring three different,
Speaker 7: possibilities like you got to start printing. Things we got
Speaker 7: to start you, know we've got to have a hat
Speaker 7: for you know, WHOEVER i don't know mask or, SO i,
Speaker 7: mean it seems it seems very likely that this is the.
Speaker 7: OUTCOME i think it seems likely given the fan, reaction,
Speaker 7: uh you, know after After yetty drops, off it seemed
Speaker 7: like this was the number one. Choice, SO i, mean,
Speaker 7: yeah Quote John Paul, Junga i'm not surprised not.
Speaker 1: A real, name all, right as somebody who was part
Speaker 1: of a naming process for a team that at the
Speaker 1: time had a lot of, pushback and still to this,
Speaker 1: day when people here At rayle Saw, lake they kind
Speaker 1: of go way away a. Second WHAT i always have
Speaker 1: to remind everybody that the reason we did that. Is
Speaker 1: our initial intention was to be The North american sister
Speaker 1: club Of Real, madrid and and we did have a
Speaker 1: partnership with. THEM a young ck in the stands as
Speaker 1: a student Watching jason christ nearly score Against Real, madrid
Speaker 1: watching The, galactokos and.
Speaker 7: We had becks put put a shovel in the. Ground
Speaker 7: you did a golden shovel at.
Speaker 1: That there's a picture in my, House rude Van nistelroy Ecer, cassius.
Speaker 1: RIGHT i mean that was the initial intent of The
Speaker 1: real Saw lake. Name it's not an easy thing to
Speaker 1: land on a name that everybody's gonna. Love AND i Hate.
Speaker 1: MAMMOTH i think it's. Horrible of the, options that was
Speaker 1: actually my least. Favorite so again it's this is a
Speaker 1: difficult thing to do because you're gonna get criticism no matter.
Speaker 1: What but what do you think of the name now
Speaker 1: that we have an idea of what it's going to.
Speaker 7: BE i think a couple of. Things i'm not as
Speaker 7: put off by it as as you. ARE i, think you,
Speaker 7: know it makes it makes some. Sense there's you, know
Speaker 7: history within the, state there's you, know some some actual
Speaker 7: local tie LIKE i THINK i would have had a
Speaker 7: greater problem with something that just like tries to sound,
Speaker 7: cool like venom was was, Migrat like venom is a
Speaker 7: thing that's a nickname you give yoursel elf and.
Speaker 2: It's not like it's not. Cool it's gonna Do, avatar.
Speaker 7: Bro SO i think that at least it feels, like, hey,
Speaker 7: yeah there's there is a utah reason that this could
Speaker 7: be the name of the. Team and it makes sense.
Speaker 7: TOO i think with anything with naming a, child, like
Speaker 7: every name sounds, stupid even you, know my parents sitting
Speaker 7: down there thinking about naming a Child, aaron like it sounds,
Speaker 7: stupid and then it just becomes your, name you. Know
Speaker 7: and so for the first generation of fans, here, yeah
Speaker 7: there's gonna.
Speaker 2: Be some people that are hardcore about.
Speaker 7: It they're gonna be a bunch of people that think sounds,
Speaker 7: fake it's not. Real and then there're gonna be people
Speaker 7: that are born into it and it's always gonna be
Speaker 7: real to, them you know WHAT i. Mean and SO
Speaker 7: i think that's that's the nature OF i like the Name.
Speaker 7: Aaron do you not like your? Name, Oh I'm i'm
Speaker 7: you're okay with.
Speaker 2: THAT i love the. Name it's it's you, know no no.
Speaker 7: Problem i'm just saying it sounds it's you, know when
Speaker 7: you say a word over and over again or, whatever
Speaker 7: it sounds fake like, this like how do you how
Speaker 7: do you make that? Decision and then it just becomes
Speaker 7: that the right fit fair? Enough what's your middle?
Speaker 6: Name?
Speaker 7: Caleb my Parent? Caleb my parents argued my my mother
Speaker 7: wanted to name Me. Caleb my father put the guybosh on.
Speaker 2: It so, okay so then they all twitch your. Room, yeah. Okay.
Speaker 1: Uh from a macro, Standpoint Bell Belle, frasier who you
Speaker 1: hired to cover the hockey club or The Utah mammoth
Speaker 1: potentially for the trip friend of the Program dynamic on.
Speaker 1: AIR i think it was a great hire by, you
Speaker 1: AND i think she does a really good. Job what
Speaker 1: has the first year been like for you guys to
Speaker 1: cover pro hockey in our?
Speaker 7: Market, yeah you, know shout Out. Bell she has been
Speaker 7: super hard, worker clearly understands the the, sport and it's
Speaker 7: extremely passionate about. IT i think a great, person you,
Speaker 7: know to advocate for fans and try to you, know
Speaker 7: teach a little and all of.
Speaker 2: That you, know it's been it's been very.
Speaker 7: INTERESTING i think it's it is.
Speaker 2: There's those are full buildings every.
Speaker 7: Night, yeah and it is still a very niche sport
Speaker 7: in a lot of.
Speaker 2: Ways you. KNOW i think.
Speaker 7: The test and the question for me will be once
Speaker 7: this team is a playoff team or you, know a
Speaker 7: little bit of a, run how many folks are really
Speaker 7: invested in? It Beyond i'm excited about like the vibes
Speaker 7: of this. Thing here's a cool new. THING i like
Speaker 7: going to a. GAME i, like you, KNOW i like
Speaker 7: the idea that my state has this versus how many
Speaker 7: people are like Obviously Dylan gunther should be on the second,
Speaker 7: line you, know and and breaking it down AND I
Speaker 7: i have SOME i have some questions about.
Speaker 2: That we'll.
Speaker 7: See but you, KNOW i think that fans really, connected you,
Speaker 7: know just based on our metrics and what people. Read
Speaker 7: they really connect with the cultural, stuff How utah has,
Speaker 7: perceived how you know players fit, in how you know
Speaker 7: where you are in the pecking order of OTHER nhl,
Speaker 7: markets and and those types of, things and certainly less
Speaker 7: about like Is Barret, hayton you, know getting in front
Speaker 7: of goal?
Speaker 3: Enough?
Speaker 2: Right like that those are gotting, increase Right? Yeah, yeah
Speaker 2: those are two very different.
Speaker 7: Things and so the audience for one is much greater
Speaker 7: than the other at the, moment for.
Speaker 1: SURE i will tell you. This The Stanley cup playoffs
Speaker 1: are so. Cool they're so, intense and we are now
Speaker 1: in a market during the springtime when other markets are
Speaker 1: experiencing either basketball spring basketball playoffs or spring hockey, playoffs
Speaker 1: and we're experiencing. Neither when, Well i'm going to say,
Speaker 1: when Because i'm an internal, optimist you know, Me when
Speaker 1: springtime rolls around here in Saut lake and The mammoth
Speaker 1: and The jazz are both in the, postseason it is
Speaker 1: going to be popping.
Speaker 2: DOWNTOWN i, mean that's a fun thing to think about.
Speaker 1: As a as a guy you grew up here following
Speaker 1: The jazz and working in the media now for a
Speaker 1: number of. Years do you have any specific Spring jazz
Speaker 1: playoff memories that. POP i, mean when the weather gets
Speaker 1: warm and playoff basketball is in Saut, lake it's a
Speaker 1: really really fun. THING i hope we can experience it.
Speaker 2: Too, yeah no.
Speaker 7: DOUBT i mean it's hard for me to to, ignore
Speaker 7: like the more recent, memories but being in being in
Speaker 7: there for That OKAY c series a couple of years
Speaker 7: ago with the you, know The City edition jerseys and
Speaker 7: that color scheme and you, know the arena looked just
Speaker 7: it's that's probably the COOLEST i, think and honestly some
Speaker 7: of the Loudest I've i've ever heard. It Ricky rubio
Speaker 7: moment that was that was a high water. Mark it
Speaker 7: was for everybody. There Uh and SO i think that
Speaker 7: that's that really stands. OUT i, mean you, know back
Speaker 7: a little bit didn't hit quite as much that that
Speaker 7: first breakthrough with With gordon and you get smoked by
Speaker 7: A Golden state and then you go back years before
Speaker 7: AND i don't, know the memory. FADES I i. DON'T
Speaker 7: i don't have quite the attachment TO i. WASN'T i
Speaker 7: wasn't at the arena for you, know jazz bowls or
Speaker 7: anything like.
Speaker 2: That but.
Speaker 7: That's that stands out for me. Personally and, Yeah i'm.
Speaker 7: EXCITED I i you, know very. Selfishly it's nice to
Speaker 7: have things to talk about and absolutly that matter that
Speaker 7: people are invested.
Speaker 2: In And i'll be very. CURIOUS i, mean my my
Speaker 2: working theory And i'd be.
Speaker 7: Curious you, know what your take is on this is
Speaker 7: that hockey has a will not be, bigger but has
Speaker 7: a higher ceiling THAN. Nba here in terms of landing free.
Speaker 7: Agents marquee, guys you know you have a higher potential
Speaker 7: of being A Stanley cup champion In Salt Lake city
Speaker 7: THAN i think Lifting alari O'Brien absolutely.
Speaker 1: Agree And i've been very impressed With Bill armstrong and
Speaker 1: they're good. Now they're the third youngest team in THE.
Speaker 1: Nhl they've got to think the fifth most most cap.
Speaker 1: Space and there just isn't the stigma attached To Salt
Speaker 1: lake for hockey players that there are for basketball. Players
Speaker 1: and for whatever, reason, right there are probably several that
Speaker 1: we get. INTO i think we've and you know what
Speaker 1: we like. Here we want you to tell us that
Speaker 1: you like. Us and we've heard a lot of high
Speaker 1: hockey players already, say, man this place is. Great they'll
Speaker 1: be front facing about attracting other players to play for the.
Speaker 1: Team you never HEAR nba players say that About. Utah
Speaker 1: you just, don't, Right, yeah.
Speaker 7: The best the best you get is you, know, oh
Speaker 7: once you get, here you know it's not bad or
Speaker 7: it's you, know you'll you'll. Understand but nobody's selling it like. That,
Speaker 7: right it's a very different. Thing and, right you, know
Speaker 7: right or, wrong very very different. Thing and, yeah and
Speaker 7: you look at obviously it's it's not as metropolitan and
Speaker 7: as you, Know toronto Or montreal or. Whatever but you've
Speaker 7: got guys coming From edmonton And, winnipeg and and you,
Speaker 7: know like someth like doesn't look so, bad right?
Speaker 1: Right and you, KNOW i remember When hayward. LEFT i
Speaker 1: said on air a couple of weeks, later if we
Speaker 1: can't keep the white dude who likes to play video
Speaker 1: games at night and is raising a, family it doesn't
Speaker 1: bode well for who we're going to be able to.
Speaker 2: Keep and THAT i think is an underlying fear of jazz.
Speaker 1: Fans where, uh Since john And carl left and, retired
Speaker 1: every player that we've had here drafted and, developed they
Speaker 1: have not spent their entire career.
Speaker 2: Here and if you can't get a player.
Speaker 1: Here to spend more than five or six years, here
Speaker 1: it's going to be hard to get a team to
Speaker 1: gel together long enough for them to be. GOOD i
Speaker 1: think a lot of jazz fans are afraid of.
Speaker 2: That, yeah for.
Speaker 7: Sure and you look at you, know people with a
Speaker 7: little perspective Like Darren williams comes, Back But Darren williams
Speaker 7: was not going to stay, Right AND i think pretty
Speaker 7: clearly at that. Point so you, know once you have
Speaker 7: a little bit of life experience and you see how
Speaker 7: things operate in other places and how you were treated
Speaker 7: and how you, lived and you know your commute and
Speaker 7: all of, That, like, yeah it makes. Sense but you,
Speaker 7: know if you're a twenty five year old millionaire and
Speaker 7: the world is endless, potential you want to explore endless.
Speaker 2: Potential, Sure AND i completely get.
Speaker 1: IT i MEAN i always try to look at it
Speaker 1: through the prism of IF i was a twenty five
Speaker 1: year old multi, millionaire where WOULD i want to live
Speaker 1: IF i was? Single And i'm biased BECAUSE i like
Speaker 1: it here AND i don't think it's a bad place to,
Speaker 1: live BUT i can understand if you want to experience other. Places,
Speaker 1: really being a professional, athlete it's kind of an odd.
Speaker 1: Thing like you're told where you're going to work and
Speaker 1: where you're going to live in any Other if you're
Speaker 1: the best at what you do in the, world you
Speaker 1: have control over where you can do that, thing and
Speaker 1: athletes just. Don't it's kind of an odd thing for.
Speaker 7: Sure maybe you get traded To Salt Lake city and you,
Speaker 7: Decide i'm gonna go To Brazil i'm never coming.
Speaker 2: There there you.
Speaker 1: Go we'll get to the, lads, okay in a, Moment
Speaker 1: but before we get to the. Lads twitter discourse between
Speaker 1: college football fans it you, know the the VISUAL i
Speaker 1: have are the monkeys throwing their feces at each other
Speaker 1: at the. ZOO i, mean AND i don't program my
Speaker 1: show off of, it but you can't help but SEE
Speaker 1: byu Fans utah, fens are you tampering with our? Players
Speaker 1: are you trying to steal our? Players the transfer portal
Speaker 1: in college football is chaotic every school across the landscape
Speaker 1: of collegiate athletics and, football and in, basketball you're going
Speaker 1: to lose players no matter. What the days of us
Speaker 1: getting to Know Andre miller and getting to Know Britton
Speaker 1: johnson and getting us to you, know getting to Know Alex,
Speaker 1: smith three or four of your, players they're.
Speaker 2: Gone they just. Are that's a. Tribune how much does
Speaker 2: this back.
Speaker 1: And forth when it comes TO byu Football utah football
Speaker 1: with keV phenomenal short, GAME i Guy jason on the other,
Speaker 1: side your college football beat. Riders how much of this
Speaker 1: back and forth moves the, needle if at, ALL i think.
Speaker 7: It does move the needle AND i think, that you,
Speaker 7: know the way we try to look at it is
Speaker 7: maybe not so much jumping into, uh into the cage
Speaker 7: and you, know picking up our own faces and throwing.
Speaker 7: IT i think we're trying to look at it as,
Speaker 7: like can we provide some perspective here and maybe get
Speaker 7: to get to a. Truth, so you, know right, now
Speaker 7: the back and forth On, twitter if you haven't been paying,
Speaker 7: attention is there are a lot of people out there
Speaker 7: that that accuse B yu of quote unquote, tampering you,
Speaker 7: know and offering guys large nil packages to go. South
Speaker 7: hasn't really happened That i've, seen you know in This,
Speaker 7: yeah the top was Miss snowden or somebody like, That,
Speaker 7: right hasn't Happened Smiths noden reaffirms he's At. Utah you,
Speaker 7: know maybe this is lingering from The tonavasa stuff or.
Speaker 7: WHATEVER i think my, preference very strong, preference is to
Speaker 7: try to answer that and, say, like what is the? Truth,
Speaker 7: okay so here's here's a bunch of people talking about, it,
Speaker 7: speculation here's a. Rumor can we get to the answer
Speaker 7: of what's really going? On and that's really like what
Speaker 7: we would endeavor to. Do SO i think it can
Speaker 7: shape and present interesting. QUESTIONS i think it very rarely
Speaker 7: gives the real, answer and to be, FAIR i always
Speaker 7: put the. Disclaimer you, know you can ask for a
Speaker 7: public records request to understand WHAT utah is doing, financially
Speaker 7: but you can't do that WITH byu because of our private.
Speaker 7: Institution so it really is hard to know exactly what
Speaker 7: the truth is with some of these financial.
Speaker 1: Figures the on three group seems to be doing a
Speaker 1: lot of. Reporting Jeff, goodman who's a very well respected
Speaker 1: college basketball, reporter did report that The Rob wright kid
Speaker 1: From baylor a million dollar deal From baylor to stay,
Speaker 1: there and THEN byu is paying him north of three
Speaker 1: million dollars to play in. Provo THE aj debantsa figure
Speaker 1: is seven million dollars for five months of. Basketball Richie
Speaker 1: saunders comes back reportedly with a seven figure. Deal if
Speaker 1: you just do loose, MATH Byu basketball is paying thirteen
Speaker 1: to fifteen million dollars ish for this roster that's coming
Speaker 1: back next. Year that's going to be. Awesome they're going
Speaker 1: to be a top five. Team my question to you,
Speaker 1: is why can't they just admit what they're? Doing why
Speaker 1: can't they just say what the truth is and stop
Speaker 1: telling us that we're not seeing what we're. Seeing we
Speaker 1: we you, know we hear these things Where Travis hansen, says,
Speaker 1: well we don't outbid, people we outlove, them we outdeveloped,
Speaker 1: them we out. Whatever the name of the game now
Speaker 1: is to have your nil in a place where you
Speaker 1: can pay players to come play for you so you attract.
Speaker 1: Talent it's not to outlove them or you, know THE
Speaker 1: byu experience or, whatever like why can't we just say
Speaker 1: what's actually.
Speaker 7: Happening what if your love language is money, fair then
Speaker 7: plan out love someone.
Speaker 2: Fair point fair. Point maybe that's the, Angle and SO i, mean,
Speaker 2: YEAH i think BY u is in in a.
Speaker 7: It's just an interesting situation in that they have a
Speaker 7: mission that, is you, know very publicly stated that that's
Speaker 7: that's different than a lot of other, places and so
Speaker 7: it is hard to jump into the fray and fully
Speaker 7: embrace like, hey, yeah we've got a bag here for
Speaker 7: you and come play for. Us and it feels, mercenary
Speaker 7: like we want you to be part of of you,
Speaker 7: know cougnation and we want you to be part of
Speaker 7: the mission and and all, that and SO i THINK
Speaker 7: i think that is, hard but like there's no shame
Speaker 7: in paying people what you think there, work no take
Speaker 7: the victory leapt, sure there's no shame in, it, Right
Speaker 7: and so, YEAH i THINK i think it's.
Speaker 2: NEW i THINK i think it's.
Speaker 7: New AND i think you have a lot of people that,
Speaker 7: make you, know at high levels that make decisions FOR
Speaker 7: buyu at large on both you, know academically and and
Speaker 7: sort of you, know spiritual mission wise and and you,
Speaker 7: know athletics is only part of. That and so, YEAH
Speaker 7: i think you kind of make sure that people that
Speaker 7: have that don't have their minds wrapped around AND i
Speaker 7: l the way that you AND i, do the way
Speaker 7: that a lot of fans now have come to who believe,
Speaker 7: that you, know it just kind of sounds, gross like
Speaker 7: they're not there. Yet and SO i think part of
Speaker 7: it is probably making sure that the people that make
Speaker 7: those decisions higher up in the church and BYU's academic
Speaker 7: side feel good about it.
Speaker 1: Too that's fair and some good perspective. There it just
Speaker 1: comes across as so unauthentic and disingenuous when the reality
Speaker 1: of the situation is you are outbidding other schools for these,
Speaker 1: players and there's nothing wrong with that so trying to
Speaker 1: spin the message to make it sound any other. WAY
Speaker 1: i don't understand what you're afraid. Of maybe it's, this
Speaker 1: and we should be. Clear the church is not writing these. Checks,
Speaker 1: Okay these are powerful boosters that contribute to The crimson
Speaker 1: or what do they call The Royal Blue, collective and you,
Speaker 1: KNOW Byu i've been told has at least nine and
Speaker 1: maybe more at this point seven figure. Donors so it
Speaker 1: is the boosters and the alumni that are paying for the.
Speaker 1: Players it's not the. Church maybe people are scared of
Speaker 1: making you, know that kind of.
Speaker 7: Line that's something that you see every, time like the
Speaker 7: argument this is this is tithing or, whatever and so
Speaker 7: they have to make sure that that gets that message gets.
Speaker 7: Out this is not the church paying for, This this
Speaker 7: is not your tithing, money because this is someone else's
Speaker 7: decision to do this on behalf OF Byu. Athletics and, so,
Speaker 7: yeah it is messy when you have that kind of you, know,
Speaker 7: big big mission and stage goal and then you have
Speaker 7: this other thing that feels tangential to, it or you,
Speaker 7: know feels maybe dirty in the mind of somebody who
Speaker 7: wants it to be much more, pure focused on a single.
Speaker 1: Thing what's your understanding of where The university Of utah
Speaker 1: is at right now with their ability to attract talent
Speaker 1: and The Crimson collective where the nil stuff is at
Speaker 1: you right?
Speaker 7: Now, Yeah so what they've said is that they are
Speaker 7: prepared to go to the full twenty and a half
Speaker 7: million of revenue sharing once The house settlement is. Finalized
Speaker 7: i'm less clear on what that means in terms OF
Speaker 7: i think a lot of people are going to be
Speaker 7: at the full twenty and a half and then that's
Speaker 7: great and it's nice that the universe that a school
Speaker 7: can now do this, directly but you, know there's third
Speaker 7: party AND i is still going to be on top of.
Speaker 7: That you, know it Doesn't this doesn't mean that you
Speaker 7: And Ohio state are equal at twenty and a, half
Speaker 7: Right there's there's more money on top of. That So
Speaker 7: i'm less clear on where that, is you, know BUT
Speaker 7: i think they are, in you, know setting themselves up
Speaker 7: to do.
Speaker 2: That we'll see how they do, that because.
Speaker 7: You got to come up with twenty million dollars and
Speaker 7: it's probably private, equity and you, know be curious how
Speaker 7: that looks once once that that.
Speaker 2: Happens who Is Nate bench's favorite jazz player of all.
Speaker 7: Time that is a great. QUESTION i feel LIKE i
Speaker 7: feel like it's going to be Like Blue edwards or.
Speaker 2: Something but do you have an? Answer.
Speaker 1: No, well WHEN i WHEN i first Met, nate we
Speaker 1: were playing golf together and we were going to draft
Speaker 1: a jazz team back and, forth AND i, said if
Speaker 1: you had the first, pick who would you?
Speaker 2: Take and he said Armand. GILLIAN i knew. It The,
Speaker 2: Hammer The. Hammer.
Speaker 1: Okay the Reason i'm asking this is the first person
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Speaker 1: Right BEFORE i set you, Loose i'm gonna ask you
Speaker 1: a two PART rsl. Question part one is your thoughts
Speaker 1: on you AND i have spoken about. This we were
Speaker 1: able to sit with The millers for a while the
Speaker 1: day before their announcement that they have purchased the controlling
Speaker 1: stake OF. Rsl so your thoughts on the ownership transition
Speaker 1: OF rsl and what they did. Do AND i have
Speaker 1: decided to name Him Big Willie. Goals so we Got,
Speaker 1: willie you got. It we Got Johnny russell across the.
Speaker 1: Line so your thoughts on what they did do during
Speaker 1: the primary transfer window and maybe more, importantly what they
Speaker 1: did not. Do so BEFORE i set you, loose your
Speaker 1: thoughts on all THINGS.
Speaker 2: Rsl, yeah you, know incomplete grades AND.
Speaker 7: TBD i, mean you KNOW I I i understand the
Speaker 7: frustration to start with the second. Half, FIRST i understand
Speaker 7: the frustration that you know you don't have a star
Speaker 7: striker at this point after selling off the guy who
Speaker 7: looked very much like a star striker at least for
Speaker 7: the first half of last. Year AND i completely understand the. Frustration,
Speaker 7: however you, KNOW i. DON'T i don't know anything about
Speaker 7: our Friend. BOSNIK i. DON'T i couldn't tell. You but,
Speaker 7: hey you tried and through no fault of your, own,
Speaker 7: fails SO i can't really hold that against. You, maybe
Speaker 7: given how complex it is to get across the line
Speaker 7: on these, things you got to have four that are
Speaker 7: close and you you get to that. Situation but it
Speaker 7: sounds like they got done dirty on that, one and so,
Speaker 7: hey you, know gotta gotta try. Again Johnny, russell once
Speaker 7: a great, player now seems like a great.
Speaker 2: Guy we'll see how that.
Speaker 7: Works and That god gives you at least something because
Speaker 7: they didn't have you, Know forser was not the. Answer,
Speaker 7: no it was not so incomplete in terms of The
Speaker 7: miller's you, KNOW i think that they are not the
Speaker 7: splashiest and flashiest of.
Speaker 2: Owners.
Speaker 7: Right they're not going to go, In they're not not
Speaker 7: going to heere to lure whoever the next Great european
Speaker 7: is and spend a bunch of money to do. It
Speaker 7: they're always going to you, know be smart with with
Speaker 7: their money and see where they can you, know maximize some.
Speaker 2: Things that being, said you, KNOW i mean we talked
Speaker 2: about being. Spoiled have they?
Speaker 7: Did they really have bad teams, ever you, know for
Speaker 7: a long period of. Time SO i, think, yeah maybe
Speaker 7: maybe you feel c b about about, it BUT i
Speaker 7: do think you're gonna have a good product for for
Speaker 7: a long period of.
Speaker 2: TIME i do think that will be important to.
Speaker 1: Them, NO i, agree well, said and you don't have
Speaker 1: to SPEND nba money ON mls, teams you, know so
Speaker 1: we'll see how it.
Speaker 2: Goes.
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Speaker 1: Saturday, okay Absolutely Aaron, falk the editor of the sports
Speaker 1: section of The Sali Lake. Tribune special thanks To Aaron,
Speaker 1: falk the editor of the sports section from the Salid,
Speaker 1: tribunes for his time today live in studio for an entire.
Speaker 1: Hour get back to some of MY nba playoff conversation
Speaker 1: and we'll do some college football transfer portal in the
Speaker 1: five o'clock. Hour But Real Salt lake took all three
Speaker 1: points on the road Against San diego and the road,
Speaker 1: continues taking On vancouver coming up On.
Speaker 2: Saturday next, guest the head coach OF rsl on.
Speaker 1: A thursday, Afternoon Pablo, Master, Wendy Happy, thursday, Buddy how.
Speaker 2: We doing.
Speaker 5: Doing?
Speaker 6: Great?
Speaker 2: BUDS i got to ask you the question that everybody is.
Speaker 1: Asking is it fair to say THAT i must be
Speaker 1: a good luck charm being In San diego watching you
Speaker 1: pick up all three.
Speaker 6: Points YOU i need to invite you in the locker.
Speaker 3: Room it hatime if you if you so, choose you're
Speaker 3: a good Luck.
Speaker 2: John, well you didn't need, it, buddy you didn't need.
Speaker 1: IT a brace For Diego, sam who joined the show
Speaker 1: this week with a wonder. Strike after watching the tape
Speaker 1: and digesting what you guys, did what'd you like the?
Speaker 6: MOST a little bit of?
Speaker 3: Everything you, KNOW i think we are opportunittunistic with our,
Speaker 3: chances something that we haven't been this. Year diego getting
Speaker 3: in good, Positions diego getting in good, positions but more
Speaker 3: importantly just capitalizing our, chances and Obviously sam's great goal from,
Speaker 3: distance and the other part, too is just building on
Speaker 3: our you, know defensive performances of the last few. WEEKS
Speaker 3: i thought was really important against a really dynamic team
Speaker 3: in the Way San diego, ATTACKS i thought we did
Speaker 3: a great job minimizing their opportunities and then competing in
Speaker 3: the right. Way you, know we're a way from you
Speaker 3: were in the. Stadium it was it was quite the hostile.
Speaker 3: Environment but the way we competed in someone else HOME
Speaker 3: i thought was Fantastic and in the, END i think
Speaker 3: it was a little bit of everything that kind of
Speaker 3: pulled us through for the.
Speaker 1: Victory what are you able to take from that game
Speaker 1: to build, upon because, again the start of the season
Speaker 1: from a macro, standpoint has been up and. Down that's
Speaker 1: kind of how it. Goes but there's no use in looking.
Speaker 1: Back that's kind of not exercise and. Futility so what
Speaker 1: would you like your group and what have you told? Them,
Speaker 1: okay we can build upon that to take this form moving.
Speaker 3: Forward, Yeah LIKE i, said you, KNOW i think in
Speaker 3: The nashville and The toronto, games we did play some good.
Speaker 3: Stuff we didn't get the. Results and it's sometimes hard
Speaker 3: from a coaching perspective to keep the guys, focused you,
Speaker 3: know because everyone always just talks about the. Results but as,
Speaker 3: coaches you, know we see the work that's being, done
Speaker 3: we see the changes being, made and and you, KNOW
Speaker 3: i think you have to have a complete performance and
Speaker 3: to help with the referees at times and in getting.
Speaker 3: Results and SO i, think you, know we're we're we're
Speaker 3: on a good. PATH i think we need to stay the,
Speaker 3: course you, know one of the things that we've really move,
Speaker 3: on and you, know it's been a little bit of
Speaker 3: a tactical, adjustment but also the players buy and was you,
Speaker 3: know not spreading ourselves defensively and not getting behind the score,
Speaker 3: line and you, know you, know when we've, won we've
Speaker 3: done a really good job of. That so now we're
Speaker 3: going Into vancouver, again best team in the league at the,
Speaker 3: moment and we just got to continue to do what
Speaker 3: we do really, well which is defend, well but more
Speaker 3: importantly take our chances when they when they you, know show.
Speaker 1: Themselves SO i stepped in and listened to a bit
Speaker 1: of the media you did via zoom after the, game
Speaker 1: and you said SOMETHING i really. Like, now to be,
Speaker 1: Fair diego's only twenty one years, old so it's not
Speaker 1: like he's fully, Bigud it's not like he's fully. Formed
Speaker 1: there's plenty of, improvement and there's plenty of there's plenty
Speaker 1: of advancement and development still left ahead at the age
Speaker 1: of twenty. One BUT i like that you said it
Speaker 1: might be time to stop talking about how is he
Speaker 1: developing and just who he is as this superstar player IN.
Speaker 1: Mls so what do you like most about what you
Speaker 1: continue to see from this kid who start continues to.
Speaker 3: Rise you, know it's it's so interesting for me Because
Speaker 3: i'm always feeling these questions about his, development and you'd
Speaker 3: associate that with. Age but the one thing About dago
Speaker 3: is that he does not care what anyone. Thinks and
Speaker 3: he goes out and he plays his. Game you, know
Speaker 3: sometimes you get stuck in this like world of, well
Speaker 3: the coach wants me to do, this and he wants
Speaker 3: me to do. That you, KNOW i think greatness is
Speaker 3: found in between. Everything it's it's not what the coach,
Speaker 3: says because the coach is speaking to, everyone, Right so
Speaker 3: how are you going to be great if you just
Speaker 3: do what everyone? Does and he finds the fine line
Speaker 3: of not losing who he is as a person and
Speaker 3: playing with the chip on his shoulder and then being
Speaker 3: a creator on the field and playing between the. Lines
Speaker 3: you know that first goal that he that he, scores
Speaker 3: the tactical party did. Great he followed their deep line
Speaker 3: and midfield across the. Field what he did on his
Speaker 3: own was play camp and mouse with the ball, carrier
Speaker 3: which Was i'm gonna act Like i'm gonna keep going
Speaker 3: with him and then when you pass, It i'm gonna
Speaker 3: jump the passing. Light i'm gonna steal. It and then
Speaker 3: what he does from there from there is just Classic,
Speaker 3: diego which is like take on two, defenders wait for
Speaker 3: a gap to, open and fire a. Shot you. Know
Speaker 3: so like that's WHAT i love About diego and and
Speaker 3: and that's Why i'm, saying you, know because everything THAT
Speaker 3: i want with this group is. PERSONALITY i want you
Speaker 3: to be who you, are AND i want you to
Speaker 3: be Like i'm going to color outside the lines because
Speaker 3: that's the WAY i see the world and that's WHAT
Speaker 3: i want to, be and that's what that's what's going
Speaker 3: to win. Games and so the more authentic the players
Speaker 3: can be who they are obviously within the game, model
Speaker 3: but the game model will always. Change AND i always
Speaker 3: tell the, players, like if you see something, different do.
Speaker 3: It we'll talk about it later if it doesn't work.
Speaker 3: Out but but more times than not ends up working
Speaker 3: out because you believe in what you're doing outside the.
Speaker 3: Line and SO i think That's diego's, greatest you, know
Speaker 3: asset to the team at the moment is that he
Speaker 3: doesn't worry about the. Results he doesn't worry about This
Speaker 3: he just goes out and he plays the game, like you,
Speaker 3: know like a young player, would which is not having any,
Speaker 3: fears not being, jaded not thinking about. This he just
Speaker 3: goes out and plays and you can see the authenticity
Speaker 3: in his game when he steps on the. Field AND
Speaker 3: i want more of the guys in the group to
Speaker 3: be almost that cavalier and in the way they approach the.
Speaker 1: Game you, know you don't have to be a soccer
Speaker 1: expert or a basketball, expert or a football, expert or
Speaker 1: even a golf. EXPERT i, mean if you watch golf
Speaker 1: and you Watch Scotty, scheffler you're, like that dude's, different,
Speaker 1: Right and it seems Like diego pops every TIME i
Speaker 1: watch you guys. Play it just seems like he's among
Speaker 1: the best, players if not the best player on the.
Speaker 1: Field every TIME i watch you guys. PLAY i wanted
Speaker 1: to ask you today because we do this thing in
Speaker 1: media where we do cops like this player reminds me
Speaker 1: of that? Player Does diego remind you of anybody that
Speaker 1: maybe you played with or played, against or you've watched
Speaker 1: as far as who he is and how good he can.
Speaker 3: Be that's a good, question you, know it's hard to,
Speaker 3: say BECAUSE i think he's very. Unique you. Know the,
Speaker 3: way you, know is the is physicality in the, game
Speaker 3: his technical ability, game his dogged. DETERMINATION i, mean he's
Speaker 3: got the determination of like a ball winning, pivot like
Speaker 3: that's the way he approaches the. Game but now he's
Speaker 3: got the quality of like A Hobby, morales you, know
Speaker 3: and and the you, know the youthfulness of a Young Wayne.
Speaker 3: Rooney like so he's got so many different parts of
Speaker 3: his game that are so. UNIQUE i don't think he
Speaker 3: reminds it of any one player because the way he
Speaker 3: gets after it on both sides of the ball for an,
Speaker 3: attacking creative player is so, unique AND i think that's
Speaker 3: what makes him.
Speaker 6: Special you.
Speaker 3: KNOW i have the opportunity to meet With miguel one Of,
Speaker 3: pochattino THE us inter national team's assistant, coaches and we
Speaker 3: spend some time with, him and he says he plays
Speaker 3: with big stones like this guy's you, know he's got
Speaker 3: this you, know this hunger for the game that is
Speaker 3: like when the rest of the team is, flat he's,
Speaker 3: popping you. Know and SO i think he's a very
Speaker 3: unique player and has a very unique. Background great student
Speaker 3: of the. Game but but everything he does is with
Speaker 3: one hundred percent, conviction AND i think any coach in
Speaker 3: whatever sport would love the player like.
Speaker 1: Him you referenced Who diego is as a, person AND
Speaker 1: i don't know him the way you.
Speaker 2: Do i've been able.
Speaker 1: To meet him on several, Occasions we've had him on
Speaker 1: the show multiple. TIMES i wonder as his star rises
Speaker 1: because and sometimes And i'm not calling any individual, out
Speaker 1: BUT i think at, times when there's a superstar who's scoring,
Speaker 1: goals who's receiving, attention who's being called up to the national.
Speaker 1: Team he won The Utah Male athlete of The, year
Speaker 1: his star is clearly. Rising are you seeing any change
Speaker 1: to who he is as a. Person are there any
Speaker 1: concerns about him believing that his star is bigger than the?
Speaker 2: Rest, no you.
Speaker 3: Know because you, KNOW i meet With diego once a.
Speaker 3: Week we talk, about you, know a lot of different,
Speaker 3: things and one of them a few weeks, backs were
Speaker 3: his non verbals and how that affects. Teammates, Right and
Speaker 3: so the one thing About diego is that he's a forever.
Speaker 3: Student he's a, learner. Right he wants to get, better
Speaker 3: and he sees the growth in his game by people
Speaker 3: calling out stuff that isn't in his best interest moving,
Speaker 3: forward you. Know so you, know you ask me about,
Speaker 3: DEVELOPMENT i would say that's the one thing he. Is
Speaker 3: he's a forever learner and and that's the GREATEST i
Speaker 3: think ass that you can have as a human, being
Speaker 3: let alone a soccer. Player so there's there's nothing because,
Speaker 3: again when we when we train, defending he's all. In
Speaker 3: when we train both sides of the, ball he's all.
Speaker 3: In and to be, fair he's one of the. Guys
Speaker 3: his personality is so unique where he's one of the
Speaker 3: guys that even at his, younger younger, age he is
Speaker 3: such a winner that he starts calling out his teammates
Speaker 3: to be. Sharp and you, know we don't get that
Speaker 3: a lot from a lot of the older. Guys everyone
Speaker 3: just is happy doing their own job and just really
Speaker 3: focuses on his job when he's the guy calling guys.
Speaker 3: Out because now he's got a taste of the national
Speaker 3: team and he knows what the level of expectations are
Speaker 3: for him when he goes into that, camp and he
Speaker 3: brings a lot of that same energy. Back SO i would,
Speaker 3: say you, know we we work with him at week
Speaker 3: on a lot of different. Things more, importantly he works with, us,
Speaker 3: Right he brings his clips in and does a lot
Speaker 3: of his work and so you, know it's just for.
Speaker 3: Me it's not a surprise that he's rising as fast
Speaker 3: as he, is because he's the guy that's willing to
Speaker 3: be as vulnerable as anyone and understand that he's got
Speaker 3: a ways to. Go but in the, process he's being authentic,
Speaker 3: too he.
Speaker 1: Is are you you referenced this the work, Rate AND
Speaker 1: i don't know if it was last year the year.
Speaker 1: BEFORE i think there may have been a little bit
Speaker 1: of frustration, about you, know not tracking back and not
Speaker 1: doing what he needs to do because the natural tendency
Speaker 1: of a fan is to watch the. Ball you watch
Speaker 1: the touchdown, pass you watch the three point, shot you
Speaker 1: watch the, dunk you watch the, goal and you know
Speaker 1: the goal was so, dynamic like the things he does
Speaker 1: that create at.
Speaker 2: Tension are so jaw.
Speaker 1: Dropping are you getting what you need from him in
Speaker 1: the moments that aren't as.
Speaker 3: Obvious, absolutely you. Know AND i think for, me you,
Speaker 3: know having played WHERE i, play the weak side of
Speaker 3: the field or wherever the camera is not becomes the
Speaker 3: most important part of the. Field just give it a
Speaker 3: couple of seconds, right so as the camera span you,
Speaker 3: know comes across the field from left, right there's a
Speaker 3: really important decision to be. Made and so like you,
Speaker 3: know these are these are the, areas the black areas
Speaker 3: of the field where you don't you're not privy to
Speaker 3: at the moment that are super. Critical and he does
Speaker 3: such a great job up front from, defending for, example
Speaker 3: of communicating With ari and the midfielders and getting them
Speaker 3: in good position so that we can win the ball.
Speaker 3: Back and so he's doing a great job on you, know,
Speaker 3: effort commitment and also you, know help leading the team
Speaker 3: in those moments that that most people aren't even privy.
Speaker 1: To is there any concern that there's too much weight
Speaker 1: on his? SHOULDERS i, mean he certainly is up to the,
Speaker 1: task but it oftentimes it feels like If diego doesn't
Speaker 1: create the opportunity or if he doesn't score the, goal
Speaker 1: where's it coming? From any concern that you're putting too
Speaker 1: much on this twenty one year?
Speaker 3: Old, yeah, NO i think that's a great. Question and
Speaker 3: and and you, know, obviously as as you referenced, earlier you,
Speaker 3: know you, know a twenty one year old doesn't have
Speaker 3: the life experience that that an older person. Would so
Speaker 3: there's definitely gonna be moments where we're gonna have to
Speaker 3: reset and we're gonna have to go at it. Again
Speaker 3: but BUT i also know with younger players is when
Speaker 3: they're living in a good, moment you have to you
Speaker 3: you got to take it like there's no, hey you
Speaker 3: got to temper it because you, know if it goes too,
Speaker 3: well then you know you might. Fall like you've got
Speaker 3: to step on it and you've got to, go, hey
Speaker 3: if you're the, guy you're the. Guy let's. Go because you,
Speaker 3: know from a team's, perspective to your point is If
Speaker 3: diego is not doing, that but then who's going to do,
Speaker 3: that who's going to take the who's going to take the?
Speaker 3: Baton and there's there's a few players that are capable
Speaker 3: of doing, it but we're still kind of waiting for
Speaker 3: that moment to come. Through so the MORE i think,
Speaker 3: that you, know we we we highlight What diego is.
Speaker 3: Doing and, again he's a player that wants the. Responsibility
Speaker 3: he's not, scared but like this is what's this is
Speaker 3: what he's been living the last few. Years and so
Speaker 3: the idea for us is, like, well if he's the,
Speaker 3: guy regardless of his. Age let's keep him. Forefront you.
Speaker 3: KNOW i made a, note you, know On, wednesday And i'm,
Speaker 3: saying the reason Why diego's improving and getting better and
Speaker 3: leading the group of the ways is because he's not
Speaker 3: worried about what other people. Think he's just worried about getting.
Speaker 3: Better and the more of us that can do, that
Speaker 3: whether you're a coach or a, player we're all going
Speaker 3: to be a better. Team so let's challenge. Ourselves let's
Speaker 3: hold ourselves to really high, expectations and let's not care
Speaker 3: what anyone else, thinks because if we all do, this
Speaker 3: we're going to be in a position of receiving a
Speaker 3: lot of. Praise SO i.
Speaker 2: May have shared this with you.
Speaker 1: ANECDOTALLY i can remember back IN i don't, know maybe
Speaker 1: two thousand and, seven two thousand and, eight there was
Speaker 1: a game out At Rio tinto Where Kyle Kyle beckerman
Speaker 1: hit one of His we used to call Them becker,
Speaker 1: bombs are like these thirty yard, strikes and whenever he
Speaker 1: would score one of those, goals and they were just
Speaker 1: one of those stunning. Moments AND i Had, jason who
Speaker 1: was the coach at the, Time i'm on the postgame,
Speaker 1: show AND i, Said, Jas i'm gonna do your. Favor
Speaker 1: i've got an. Idea kyle needs to play. Striker put
Speaker 1: him up, top you, know just go, ahead and you're,
Speaker 1: like there you. Go you're, Welcome, Jay and he gave
Speaker 1: me this look that he wanted, to you, know strangle,
Speaker 1: me but he, said he, said, look If kyle embraces
Speaker 1: what we're asking him to, do he will play in
Speaker 1: A World, cup which was pretty striking and obviously very.
Speaker 1: Telling and so from then on, OUT i started to
Speaker 1: pay more attention to the Way kyle dominated the field
Speaker 1: in his role in that, space because going back to the, whole,
Speaker 1: like the obvious things are the. Goals the obvious things
Speaker 1: are the, moments and so that's allowed me to color
Speaker 1: my perspective on that. Position AND i Thought ameca was
Speaker 1: awesome Against San, diego you, know but not as obvious
Speaker 1: because he didn't. Score what stands kind of same, Question
Speaker 1: what is standing out most to you about the way
Speaker 1: A mecca has embraced this role and is there a
Speaker 1: LITTLE kb five in?
Speaker 3: Him, yeah, no you're absolutely. Right the way he took
Speaker 3: the game over in a way That mecha can take
Speaker 3: the game, over which is linking short, passes is controlling
Speaker 3: the game with the ball always being. Available he had
Speaker 3: a crunching tackle in the middle of midfield to help
Speaker 3: us retain, possession which helped us continue with our momentum
Speaker 3: in that attack and third of the field like he
Speaker 3: was just it looked like there's Three mechas on the.
Speaker 3: FIELD i, mean he was. Everywhere AND i think those
Speaker 3: games as a deep lying midfielder Like beckerman are are you,
Speaker 3: know like as, coaches we see that that's that's the,
Speaker 3: uh that's the engine, room, right that's the room that
Speaker 3: has to go and and it inspires a team with.
Speaker 3: Belief it keeps everyone connected because you're in the middle
Speaker 3: of the field and you're connected to the wide players
Speaker 3: and the guys up, front the guys in the. Back
Speaker 3: and SO i think that was the best AND i
Speaker 3: told them back up for the, game that was the
Speaker 3: best forty five minutes of football That i've SEEN i
Speaker 3: could play, in particularly in the second half where he
Speaker 3: was world. Class it wasn't like best in THE. Mls
Speaker 3: he Was i've played against world class defensive. Antilliers what
Speaker 3: he did in that second half was was an unbelievable,
Speaker 3: standard and so my challenge to him, was let's see
Speaker 3: that again next week against the best team in.
Speaker 2: Leagues does he Have?
Speaker 1: WELL i kind of ask you about his personality the
Speaker 1: same way That i'll ask you About. DIEGO i, mean
Speaker 1: A meca has been on the show a, bunch and
Speaker 1: the first thing that stands out is just simply how
Speaker 1: smart he is and how well spoken he is and
Speaker 1: measured he is with his. Answers as far as his,
Speaker 1: Personality i'll ask you kind of the same THING i
Speaker 1: asked you About. Diego what sort of makes him tick
Speaker 1: as a teammate and as a leader as opposed to a,
Speaker 1: great great.
Speaker 3: Midfielder, YEAH i think There's it's really interesting with The
Speaker 3: mecca because he is a really bright human, being AND
Speaker 3: i think when you're a smart, person you tend to
Speaker 3: overthink a lot of, things where you, Know diego was
Speaker 3: a smart, guy but he operates the more from the,
Speaker 3: heart and A mecca is really a. Thinker and so
Speaker 3: one of the things that we're talking through is how
Speaker 3: to let go of that like overthinking piece and just
Speaker 3: operate from a place of. Flow you, KNOW i know
Speaker 3: you've heard that in sport and all the sports when
Speaker 3: you're in the. Zone there's there's no thinking, involved you're
Speaker 3: operating on. Autopilot you're just. Instinctual AND i think that
Speaker 3: performance that he had a weekend was very much an instinctial,
Speaker 3: performance because there's no way you can think your way
Speaker 3: to so, many so many, plays and so that's that's
Speaker 3: what we're working with The mecca. With as far as you,
Speaker 3: know lead from a place of what you know and
Speaker 3: what you're. Learning don't worry about having all the, answers
Speaker 3: because you're not going to have them. All but the
Speaker 3: more you can provide performances like, that the leadership piece
Speaker 3: just comes naturally because because you will believe, more your
Speaker 3: teammates will believe. More and so he's you, know he's
Speaker 3: a fantastic, teammate a fantastic, player and when we have
Speaker 3: performances like we had it from him at the, WEEKEND
Speaker 3: i feel like we can we can be in the
Speaker 3: team this.
Speaker 2: League as the head, coach your job is to coach
Speaker 2: all the.
Speaker 1: PLAYERS i wonder if you have a unique ability to
Speaker 1: coach a mecca because you played that position at the
Speaker 1: highest of.
Speaker 3: Levels that's, interesting that's a great question for A, mecca
Speaker 3: AND i guarantee you he's going to say he's harder
Speaker 3: on less pivots than he is with any other position
Speaker 3: on the. Field AND i constantly have to check, Myself,
Speaker 3: spence BECAUSE i finished playing the game WHEN i was
Speaker 3: thirty eight years, old so you can IMAGINE i have
Speaker 3: a ton of. EXPERIENCE i just couldn't move. Anymore and
Speaker 3: SO i don't remember at what stage in my CAREER
Speaker 3: i was WHEN i learned these things That i'm trying
Speaker 3: to teach these, guys you, know because one of the
Speaker 3: things That i've come to realize is that younger, players
Speaker 3: they almost play the game with the you, know those
Speaker 3: things that the horses wear where they cover their their
Speaker 3: peripheral so that they can look forward to. That they
Speaker 3: come into the league with those things. On and as
Speaker 3: you gain more, experience and then you watch a guy
Speaker 3: Like messi who looks like he has eyes in the
Speaker 3: back of his head because he's always. Scanning he knows
Speaker 3: exactly where he is relative to the opponent and the,
Speaker 3: ball and he seems like he is just like floating
Speaker 3: through the. Field and so like some of these, Things
Speaker 3: I'm i'm you, Know i'm being hard on not being,
Speaker 3: hard but just high expectations for A mecca of high
Speaker 3: expectations For Briana hayden and the rest of The pivot
Speaker 3: crew because it is so critical the. Game once those
Speaker 3: those blockers come, off this game is so, easy but
Speaker 3: it's so hard to get to the point where you
Speaker 3: have three hundred and sixty degree vision and you know
Speaker 3: exactly what you're gonna do before you get the. Ball
Speaker 3: and once you start doing, that then then the whole
Speaker 3: world is your. Oyster AND i think A mecca is
Speaker 3: getting better every single. Day you, know this is only
Speaker 3: his third year as a, professional and so hope you
Speaker 3: asked me when he, started would he'd be where he's,
Speaker 3: AT i would have. Laughed but he keeps, on you,
Speaker 3: know coming up trumps and doing things that PROBABLY i
Speaker 3: didn't do TILL i was in my mid. Thirties and
Speaker 3: So i'm constantly having to check. Myself but he's again
Speaker 3: a great. Student he takes, it he digests, it and he.
Speaker 2: Produces do any of your players know what a good
Speaker 2: player you?
Speaker 6: Were?
Speaker 2: Are are we all just too old at this? Point?
Speaker 3: Yeah we're too. Old, YEAH i don't go back, there you,
Speaker 3: know it's It's i've thought about that just a quick.
Speaker 3: STORY i finished my career IN la and SO i
Speaker 3: was in a different, place so a lot of people
Speaker 3: didn't know WHO i was From Anela galley. Perspective BUT
Speaker 3: i remember there's a there's an ex national team teammate
Speaker 3: that was working there and he, Goes, PABLO i have
Speaker 3: to introduce use it to our under eighteen, team and
Speaker 3: uh SO i was, like, okay, Yeah i'll inter your.
Speaker 3: Sceon he, goes, guys who COOL i have? Here and
Speaker 3: they are looking, around, like who who is? It who
Speaker 3: is this? Guy and that's THAT i was only, whatever,
Speaker 3: like you, know five years removed from the national. Team
Speaker 3: so imagine now whatever it is years, later they, guys
Speaker 3: don't these guys have to look at the archives to
Speaker 3: find a snapshot of WHEN i.
Speaker 1: Played oh, well you know that's why YouTube, exists, brother you.
Speaker 1: Know So i've sent him to some. Highlights all, right
Speaker 1: let's move over to. This we saw twenty three minutes
Speaker 1: From willie and, look it's gonna take some time for
Speaker 1: him to acclimate understand what you guys want him to.
Speaker 2: Do SO WILLI i gotta one of your new.
Speaker 1: Additions what did you see from him in the limited
Speaker 1: minutes Against San diego and shed some light on how
Speaker 1: it's been to have him on the.
Speaker 3: Ground, yeah so, AGAIN i, think you, know he came
Speaker 3: into the game AND i think the biggest Thing spence
Speaker 3: was there's there's a couple of balls played into him
Speaker 3: at like chest high or you, know waist, high and
Speaker 3: he was able to bring those, down control the ball
Speaker 3: and bring our pivots into the. Game AND i think
Speaker 3: this just that aspect of the game from just an
Speaker 3: attacking perspective was huge for the group and you just
Speaker 3: saw the confidence and the group kind of grow when
Speaker 3: he came on to the field and did just. That
Speaker 3: he had a good chance of you, know inside the
Speaker 3: box that he put over the. Bar but, again getting
Speaker 3: the game that spot is really really. Important and the
Speaker 3: one thing With willie that we're working with him is
Speaker 3: level of. Fitness he only had about ninety minutes over
Speaker 3: nine games before he came in and played thirty plus
Speaker 3: minutes for, us and this, week, unfortunately he didn't have
Speaker 3: a lot of training. Time he went back home to
Speaker 3: grab his stuff to move and so we only got.
Speaker 3: Him he only showed up today for the first day
Speaker 3: we're working with. Him he had a workout yesterday on the.
Speaker 3: Treadmill he worked out today with the group and then
Speaker 3: did some extra. Running so for, us it's nothing more
Speaker 3: than what will he feels comfortable giving at the level
Speaker 3: that we need him to play. At and so AGAIN
Speaker 3: i think a similar type timeframe as far as minutes this,
Speaker 3: weekend maybe a little bit more depending on how he.
Speaker 3: Feels and so just really you, know Using willy's perspective
Speaker 3: as a guide as to how much he. Plays and
Speaker 3: then unfortunately we had a setback With Johnny russell after
Speaker 3: a training session On. Tuesday it looks to be, minor
Speaker 3: but won't be available for this. Weekend and it's something
Speaker 3: that we kind of already kind of baked in because
Speaker 3: he hadn't trained with the team in four plus, months
Speaker 3: but who was doing a lot of stuff on his
Speaker 3: own and came in super. Fit but the biggest thing
Speaker 3: with soccer is that it's one thing to have controlled
Speaker 3: environments and controlled. Actions so you're running on, treadmill you're
Speaker 3: running on your, own you're in the. Gym it's another
Speaker 3: thing when the ball's bouncing and guys are bouncing into
Speaker 3: you and all those, little you, know supportive muscles that
Speaker 3: are activated when you're playing soccer that you don't activate
Speaker 3: when you're training on your. Own so hopefully it's a,
Speaker 3: week maybe a couple of. Days but really excited to
Speaker 3: really integrate these guys BECAUSE i think they're gonna make
Speaker 3: a huge difference to our.
Speaker 1: Group had a chance to sit With johnny for a
Speaker 1: minute watching the, game and his intensity just it wafts
Speaker 1: off of. Him AND i don't use the term wafted very, Often,
Speaker 1: pablo but like you can just sense when you're around,
Speaker 1: him like this dude wants to like he's ready to.
Speaker 2: Go you can tell he's chomping at the. Bill, yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 2: no he's a.
Speaker 3: Winner. MAN i look at him AND i feel like
Speaker 3: he's like he was an extra in like The Brave heart,
Speaker 3: movie you, know like just like you, Know i'm going for.
Speaker 3: It there's no reservations and a lot Like, Diggle luna
Speaker 3: and the, LIKE i don't care what anyone has to.
Speaker 3: Say i'm gonna plumb my. Football and again that personality
Speaker 3: piece he exudes that That i'm so comfortable in my own.
Speaker 3: SKIN i know What i'm capable. Of just give me the,
Speaker 3: rock you. Know and so again super excited to have
Speaker 3: Both willie And johnny on.
Speaker 1: Board all, right but BEFORE i say you Lose, vancouver goodness,
Speaker 1: gracious they're coming off just an ass Kick king Of
Speaker 1: Miami Le Lido messi In, miami a five to one aggregate,
Speaker 1: win three to one the other, night and they're as
Speaker 1: of right, now they're atop the. TABLE i don't know
Speaker 1: much about, them But i'm looking at their stats and
Speaker 1: you guys are in for a. Challenge tell me about
Speaker 1: this side and what you have to do to go
Speaker 1: up there and come away with a.
Speaker 3: Result, yeah this is this is definitely a team where
Speaker 3: the hole is greater than some of their. Parts they've
Speaker 3: done a really good job as a, team you, know
Speaker 3: talking to some guys in their, camp they, said it's just,
Speaker 3: amazing like the feeling that we have and that we're
Speaker 3: invincible and that you, know we can we can go,
Speaker 3: away we can play with majority of second team players
Speaker 3: and we can still get the same type of. Production
Speaker 3: so they're gonna be really tough, teams AND i think
Speaker 3: that's why that that game Against San diego is really.
Speaker 3: Important they defend in a similar. Shape they they they
Speaker 3: attack fairly. Similar so it's you, know we got to
Speaker 3: go out and and do we do as opposed to stifle,
Speaker 3: them you, Know AND i think that's always a sign
Speaker 3: of a good, team right where you're aware of your,
Speaker 3: opponent you're aware of how good they. Are we work
Speaker 3: through some of their you, know they're they're attacking rotations
Speaker 3: that they have and that's just kind Of but WHAT
Speaker 3: i said, was how do we dominate the game with
Speaker 3: the ball and in, transition because they're a really good transition.
Speaker 3: Team they're very, fast they're very, athletic and they'll like
Speaker 3: to go to the. House but we've got to be
Speaker 3: the impediment to anything that they're doing with the. Ball
Speaker 3: and then when we have the ball is make sure
Speaker 3: we take our chances like we did last. Game so you,
Speaker 3: KNOW i think this game sets up great for us
Speaker 3: that you, know they're coming off a big. High they
Speaker 3: are fantastic, teams and you, Know Salt lake has been
Speaker 3: we've been struggling as a, team but we got a
Speaker 3: first taste of what it feels like to win on the.
Speaker 3: Road and so now we just got to double, down
Speaker 3: have a fantastic, performance full of belief and, intensity and.
Speaker 6: Enjoy sports a brother, well save.
Speaker 1: TRAVELS i will not be, There so DO i have
Speaker 1: your commitment that if you don't get all, three you
Speaker 1: will talk to ownership about sending me on every road
Speaker 1: trip on the.
Speaker 2: Charter let's.
Speaker 3: Go that's a, deal all, right, brother.
Speaker 2: Safe travels be.
Speaker 1: Good, okay all, right Pablom astronomy ourselves back in. Action
Speaker 1: you Have, Vancouver, Smoked, miami uh and Linal. Messi so
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a tough challenge for. Ourselves you missed.
Speaker 1: It Johnny russell not available for the game coming up this,
Speaker 1: Weekend so unfortunate news. There like slow spinnish, track goes
Speaker 1: Out Aaron, falk whose love language is quality time.
Speaker 2: Spent aaron is a millennial emo who has feelings like
Speaker 2: the rest of. Us what is your love? Language, porter
Speaker 2: do you know where your love language?
Speaker 5: Is good?
Speaker 4: Question time is big? Time is big?
Speaker 2: Time?
Speaker 4: Actually, TIME i think is like the main. Thing that
Speaker 4: was a good answer From Aaron, folk ALTHOUGH i think
Speaker 4: it was it was men is a little bit of
Speaker 4: a cop. Out he didn't want to really dive into.
Speaker 4: It but t time is just like your priority it's
Speaker 4: just your, uh what you spend your time on is
Speaker 4: what you, love what you have on your priority.
Speaker 2: List so that's a good.
Speaker 4: One that's a really good.
Speaker 1: One the five love languages are physical, touch quality, time receiving,
Speaker 1: gifts acts of, service and words of.
Speaker 2: Affirmation, okay you're still going with, time.
Speaker 4: Time and time and and some some. Touch if we're
Speaker 4: talking about little, touch, guy you need like some hugs like.
Speaker 2: Us you're not a. Hugger i'm. Sorry i've tried to
Speaker 2: hug you. Before you're not a. Hugger you're lying to, Me.
Speaker 4: Well i'm not a hugger like well that it. Depends
Speaker 4: it depends on the. Relationship you just don't want to
Speaker 4: hug for.
Speaker 2: Me you're my. Coworker, well why can't we hug it?
Speaker 6: Out?
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Speaker 4: Can we can have like a little bro.
Speaker 2: Hug now it's too. Late i've. Tried you don't want to? Hug,
Speaker 2: fine all.
Speaker 1: Right so you're saying quality time and physical touch are?
Speaker 1: YOURS i think SO i don't THINK i have. One, oh,
Speaker 1: well that explains a.
Speaker 2: Lot is? That is?
Speaker 6: That?
Speaker 4: Uh is that why we're?
Speaker 2: Easy let's just pumped. Up, Hey i'm very single as. Well, okay,
Speaker 2: well and over Thirty i'm working on.
Speaker 3: It.
Speaker 1: Man well i'm approaching. Fifty, okay halfway to one. Hundred
Speaker 1: you don't have to say, that, Right i'm working on.
Speaker 1: IT i got to, admit, man it's kind of fun
Speaker 1: being like A knick fan and being nervous about watching The.
Speaker 2: Knicks do you think we're gonna get it? Done?
Speaker 4: That it's, refreshing, Right it's. Cool, yeah being A knick
Speaker 4: fan and having something to look forward to in the
Speaker 4: spring is quite. Crazy outside of you, know usually you
Speaker 4: have like some rumor Like Kevin durant's gonna come in
Speaker 4: the off, season or you're gonna trade for the biggest
Speaker 4: star in the, game or you know whatever The knicks
Speaker 4: rumor of the year. Is that's usually what you have
Speaker 4: to look forward to in the, spring free, agency the,
Speaker 4: draft we got a basketball, game and we got a
Speaker 4: potential clinching basketball game to get The knicks into the
Speaker 4: Semi so, Yeah i'll obviously be dialed, in and it's
Speaker 4: it feels a lot different than my Historical knicks, experience
Speaker 4: which ONLY i think three times really they had any
Speaker 4: sort of playoff. Run so, yeah refreshing and, welcomed.
Speaker 2: No, doubt no. Doubt All, right a little story time
Speaker 2: before you say good.
Speaker 1: NIGHT i alluded to this earlier when we did a
Speaker 1: little sports car With handy And, handy So the story
Speaker 1: Of Jeff oldbrik's Son jack's Pranking Shudor sanders is of
Speaker 1: course a horrible look for The oldbrick family The falcons
Speaker 1: as an, organization we're fined two hundred and FIFTY, k
Speaker 1: And jeff himself find one hundred thousand, dollars so, it's
Speaker 1: by the, way six percent of his. Salary it's not,
Speaker 1: nothing but as the son of a sports, EXECUTIVE i
Speaker 1: can't admit to playing a. Prank it was not near
Speaker 1: as bad as, This it was not, public BUT i
Speaker 1: have to come.
Speaker 2: Clean are you ready for? IT i? AM i am.
Speaker 1: So my father back in the day had so this
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Speaker 1: Am the only cell phones that, exist like my dad
Speaker 1: had the old Like brick big cell, phone Like Zach
Speaker 1: morris's dad had on saved by the.
Speaker 2: Bell there's a reference for, it but, no.
Speaker 1: Kids once upon a, time if you wanted to call,
Speaker 1: somebody you had to call her. House so at our
Speaker 1: house we had two. Lines line one was for normal.
Speaker 1: Use we could use line. One you could call your,
Speaker 1: friends you could call your, girlfriend do the thing online.
Speaker 1: One line two was dad's business. Line so when it
Speaker 1: rang you were not supposed to answer it because it
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Speaker 1: once a lot OF nba, Players David, Stern it could be.
Speaker 1: Anyone the only person that would answer line too was
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Speaker 2: Soul he's the sweet he was the sweetest. MAN i
Speaker 2: miss him every single.
Speaker 1: Day but he's the only one that would answer line
Speaker 1: too because my dad would never get mad at my,
Speaker 1: grandfather my mother's, father who he, loved and he always
Speaker 1: wanted to answer line too in case it was somebody, famous,
Speaker 1: Right AND i knew the line two, number and if
Speaker 1: line one was, busy IF i tried to get, THROUGH
Speaker 1: i would oftentimes call line two just to see if
Speaker 1: my dad would. Answer and So i'm out here at
Speaker 1: The university Of, utah call line. Two this is nineteen ninety.
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Speaker 1: spruill Is DAVE checki Series Lutroll, spreux and my, grandfather
Speaker 1: blessed Us hard, goes, oh, Hello, latrelle how are you?
Speaker 1: Today and then my dad gets, says, Hey, latrell It's david's.
Speaker 2: Going and THEN i had to come. Clean i'm, like, oh, Hey,
Speaker 2: dad it's. Me that's.
Speaker 1: Awesome you pranked your grandfather that you Were latrell's so
Speaker 1: we did not get. Fine BUT i do have to admit,
Speaker 1: that as the sound of a sports, EXECUTIVE i did
Speaker 1: pull a prank.
Speaker 4: Once, well and you pulled the prank on your. Grandfather
Speaker 4: not a drafty, correct not or Not latrell spree, will
Speaker 4: which you would have got your ass.
Speaker 2: Kick probably correct for.
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