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looked at us. And one of the things I remember

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the most where the eyes were going red. I see

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They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven

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foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's

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Speaker 1: The top of the muzzle, noose and the eyes.

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tonight's guests. We're going to be joined by Bob and Brittany.

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You may remember them from their podcast Tells from the Dark.

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They're back again to discuss their newest book, Black Widows,

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from the Dark. Hey, you guys doing doing well?

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today I feel great except for my eye. I think

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or something last night, because it's been bothering me all day.

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what's out right now? They're authors that sort of thing.

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kind of branch off, The Tailsmith Dark Tree a little

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bit and she covered black widows, which I had never

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in my life even much thought to, you know, female

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serial killers, let alone black widows, which admittedly I was

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serial killer, and there is a difference, which Brittany dives

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artwork for her podcast art and it went really well.

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Speaker 4: Brittany Tails from the Dark, Black Widows, Tale.

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Speaker 3: From the Dark, Black Widows. It's available on Amazon right now.

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couple hundred for true crime books, which again I had

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they were sentenced to life in prison. It's definitely one

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good read. There's a few of them that are that

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first time, and then we send it to the editor

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asked me, you know, when I was a kid, Hey,

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do you think you'd be a published author, I'd be like, no,

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I'm going to go play in the dirt. That's what

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we're gonna do. And Brittany, you know, she knocked out

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where it's like, did I actually write this book or

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taking credit for it. And that's you know a lot

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of Tales from the Dark in general, where Brittany kind

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of if it wasn't for Brittany, we wouldn't have Tales

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a on task and be stopping me from saying the

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dumb is stuff umanly possible because half half of Tales

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from the Dark would be just kid rock historical facts.

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gravy and kid rock. That's that's my that's my jam.

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but yeah, tells some dark true crime. It's it's uh.

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True Crime. I'm not sure if that I'll go into

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my Patreon stuff, but I'm the one that does all

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the editing and all the marketing and all the other

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stuff for it. So sometimes I wish I had someone

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to spit ideas off of and that would help out.

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you guys have like a working relationship with someone, I'm

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like the only one doing things. I'm a little envious

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very grateful to have Bob, and not only you know,

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in our relationship, but also in Tales from the Dark

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it's kind of crazy, but it is. We definitely keep

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each other sane, I would say, because especially in the

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field of high strangeness, when you're researching and going to

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these places and having these unexplainable experiences can make you

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feel like you're going crazy, and you probably should check

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yourself into an asylum, but having someone there to help

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you stay grounded is amazing. I mean, it's really it's

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something that you were just saying. You know, the extra

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work that goes into creating a podcast, So something that

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listeners don't always get to see is the behind the

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scenes in the office in your case, the in the shed,

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in the bar, in the bar, and footage. It's one

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this stuff. Especially in our field. There's for everyone, i

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comes to the paranormal or UFOs or cryptids. There's a

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thousand people who just want to get clicks or want

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glad that you did bring that up because there is

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a whole avenue that folks often don't get to see. That's,

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you know, before the podcast actually hit Spotify, Apple or wherever.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of work that goes into things that

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no one seems to understand. And I see people we're

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talking about this off air, but people complain about the

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random ads a lot. To me, I don't like them either,

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that says the podcast has too many ads on, I

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one hundred percent agree. But there's also bills that have

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to get paid, and that's how podcasts basically sustain themselves.

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Otherwise you're just losing. Basically, when I played music, you're

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always buying equipment, You're always spending money to do band stuff.

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You can relate to this. There's no money in music.

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It's kind of a money pit. It's like podcasting. There's

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not really a lot of money in podcasts unless you're

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in the top one top point zero one percent, and

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then maybe you're making some money. But other than that,

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everyone's just jockeying for breaking even No.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you're you're absolutely correct. I mean, the biggest

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avenue we've had ever for revenue has been our merchandise sales.

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where we were very cautious when we got into T shirts.

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any local shops, but for what we were looking for,

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you know, putting a mount rushmore of cryptids on a

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T shirt has to be done a very specific way

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for us, and I mean Brittany went out and we

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bought all the equipment to make our shirts ourselves. For years,

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we were doing all of our merchandise and house our stickers,

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our T shirts, everything. I mean, heck, when Telson the

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Dark first started, Brittany was knitting, you know, five foot

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crocheing giant snakes because we have this long running joke

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about a cryptid that Tyler Terry, a good friend of ours,

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and he helped produce Phantom Farm. He made up a

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whole story about his own CRYPTI called hay Snake, And

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so Brittany was literally spending hours for our listeners crocheing

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giant snakes. And you know, again, yes, whatever is find

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the revenue. And some folks, you know, like you said

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with the ads, they might not love it, but you

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know that's the only way we can continue to continue

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to do it. We're doing because I mean, when I

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our audio interface or two microphones. That's several thousand dollars

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right there. And for most shows that maybe break fifty

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dollars a month, that's several years worth of work. And

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by the time the first microphone is paid off, you

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have to replace it or upgrade.

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quick to is just when it comes to ads, because

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I mean, we've had to talk about this with streaming too.

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When you're on certain platforms, there are like minimum requirements

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for ad placement, whether you're doing like streaming, whether you're

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doing podcasting, YouTube videos, the platform itself does have minimum

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requirements for the ad placements. So and unfortunately, on certain platforms,

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like if you're on a podcast host or streaming it,

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they can take away some of your access to their

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you do have to adhere to certain policies to make

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sure you're staying within optimal range to keep your access

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to your whether it be your plan or or your status.

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Speaker 1: Should I say yeah, Basically, the gist of it is

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they expect a certain level of revenue from you two. Yeah,

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and they want you to be on their networks or

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on their things in the hearsting stores. But yes, they're

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making money off of you just because they're having advertisements

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on there. Nothing's free in life, and I've tried to

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explain this to people, like I do it as a hobby.

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I don't care about making money. But you can always

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hit the fast forward button, like absolutely, there's a little

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thirty second button. Just click it.

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Speaker 4: That's what I do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, now you're you're ond a percent, correct.

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Speaker 1: That's uh. I hated it. I never wanted to have

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ads on the show. I've literally felt like a sellout

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when I had to do it. But at the same time,

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it's like I'm spending over one hundred something dollars a

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month just to do the podcast last year before I

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ever decided to allow ads on it, and now having

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this lofted cabin, barn shed, whatever you want to call it,

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I have a monthly payment for that, so I'm like, well,

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just another money pit. I keep buying new equipment for it.

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In here, I've spent thousands of dollars on equipment and

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everything else. It's like it never ends.

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Speaker 4: Hey, but it does look nice. I did see the

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picture of something Facebook.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was litally about to say it was. It

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was really neat to watch you go from just a

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you know, bear bear shed to a full podcast studio.

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Speaker 1: There's some stuff that still needs done, but for now

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it does the purpose of what it needs it to do.

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I got tired of dicking around with it.

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Speaker 3: I get it, man, now. I can't remember last time

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we were on the show. Did we discuss our potential

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running with a with something while we were at Skinwalker Ranch.

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Speaker 1: I believe you mentioned it. I don't remember how much

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we actually dove into it though. Okay, it's weird for

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me when I talk with people. I don't listen to

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my own interviews really like. I do the interview with people,

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and I hear it when I'm editing, and that's about

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the last time I listened to it. So it's hard

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to keep track of everything that was talked about.

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Speaker 3: No, I completely understand that. But we'd love to tell

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you the story. If you want to hear it, yeah,

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go for it. Okay, So this was two years ago.

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trip around your birthday. It was just your birthday.

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done much traveling outside of Ohio in my adulthood realistically

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before it tales from the dark.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So we made the decision that well we I

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mean I made the decision I wanted to go to Denver, Colorado,

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like really really bad. So we make the track out

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to Denver. It was beautiful. I loved it. I was

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overritten like two days, but I had taken off I

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think ten days work or maybe a little longer, and

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I was like, you know, we're out here. We did

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Rocky Mountain National Park, we did. We drive a couple

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of fourteen ers. It was beautiful. We get to see

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the Stanley Hotel, which you know has has an amazing

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paranormal history as well as just regular history. There's it's

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it's an incredible location to see over Inesta's Park. And

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I was like, well, let's go out to Mount Shasta.

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been to California before. And we made the decision to

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start driving as we usually do on a whim. So

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we had to drive through Rocky Mountain National Park as

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in the dark as the sun is going down, and

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you know, for the listeners who are from that area,

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they're like, oh, well, that's nothing. Well, I'm from Ohio,

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where we don't have hills. Quite literally, I'm pretty sure

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the highest point in Ohio is a garbage jump in Bellfountain, Ohio.

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I don't I don't think I'm making that up. I'm

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like ninety nine percent sure that that's factual. So I

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had never you know, I've been through the Apple Aatchian

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Mountain region quite a bit, so I'm used to You know,

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when you're in Appalachia, you kind of just get used

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to the fact that the roads might not always be

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real roads. Sometimes they are more pothole or they are

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more drop off to your death, and you kind of

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just accept that fact. But when you're in the Rocky

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and they're constantly traveled, so the roads are in great shape.

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and I mean so much higher up than like your

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average drive through Appalachia. It's actually insane. I literally had

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to go to sleep on the way up about had

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a panic attack. Because I'm not super scared of heights

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or anything like that. It's not dehabilitating, but sometimes it

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gets to me, and that day it was getting to me.

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the Rocky Mountain National Park and we booked our ticket

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and went up and actually went up on Mount Henry,

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it's like a fourteen thousand foot Yeah, it's one of

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the fourteen ers.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, went all the way to the top, went all

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the way back town and back to the hotel. And

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once we got to the hotel, this is when we

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decided we were just going to drive up to California

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and go to Mount Shasta. And once we got to

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the hotel and looked at the route, well, it turns

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out we had to drive the exact same way that

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we took in except minus one road to not go

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on top of Mount Henry. So we had to retrack

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all the way back through the Rocking Mountain National Park

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to get to the other side to go start heading

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towards California.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I went to sleep and our route was

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blocked by the biggest elk I've ever seen in my

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entire life. It was terrifying. I grew up deer hunting.

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I've never seen an elk in person before until tell

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that trip. Yeah. Tell, It's like eight nine pm, the

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sun's going down, and here's this giant looks like a

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grizzly bear with horns coming across our pathway. But as

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we're looking, I'm like, you know, we're going to go

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right by Skinwalker Ranch as we want to Mount Shasta,

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like we we're gonna go see what all the fuss

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is about. And we make the trip there. We get

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to u Utah. It's probably midnight, close to one o'clock

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in the morning. Yeah, yeah, it's late, and I decided

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to stop it at a gas station in town. And

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because I love to stop at small gas stations, and

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I asked the same question, Hey, have you ever seen

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anything weird around here? Well, in this instance, you know,

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of course the woman had because it's it's right outside

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of Skimwalker Ranch. And I explained to him, like, well,

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you know, we think about driving up a skim Walker

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ranch tonight. We're only in town like now. And she said, oh, well,

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that's kind of funny because I'm currently watching a Facebook

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live of a friend of mine and he's out looking

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for UFOs right outside a Skimwalker Ranch. I'll tell him

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you're coming and just flag you know, he'll flag you down.

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I think she said it was like in a red

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jeep or something I can't recall.

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Speaker 4: Old.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm like, okay, awesome, I'm gonna go meet

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a strange man in the darkness in the desert in Utah.

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Nothing can go wrong here. It's gonna be great. And

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we make the trek out. We could not find this guy.

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I hope he did not wait for us, because we looked.

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We could not find him.

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Speaker 4: We said before. He probably dipped out when he heard

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the two weirdos. We're willingly driving through, like passing through

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the town and coming out to skim Walker Ranch at

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like midnight. Not locals, not anyone familiar with the area.

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We were just full scent.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so, uh, you know, we got out the skim

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Walker Ranch and the first thing I noticed was the

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property is so much smaller than I had anticipated on TV. Now,

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you know TV and documentaries. They have a way of

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making things look you know, it's I called the cinematic

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sunrise because it you know, it's gonna look more beautiful.

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It's to look more broad, bigger, more scary through the

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cinematic lens. But we realized rather quickly that this is

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a pretty small I don't it's not a small ranch,

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but it's a lot smaller, you know. I was under

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the impression this is gonna take like an hour plus

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Speaker 4: To the around that edge of it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and we were able to drive the entirety of

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the fence line in probably a half hour maybe.

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Speaker 4: If not last time. I mean we had to go

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slow because we thought there were animals. Yeah, and we

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saw a couple of things something like that.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, it was very that was very eye opening

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to us. And when you get to the entrant to

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Skimwalker Ranch, there's like sixty cameras and I can send

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00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,160
you the pictures because I love showing these pictures to

475
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,240
people because it it's insane. And there's like a giant

476
00:22:06,319 --> 00:22:10,640
sign that's same warning you are being recorded, don't trespass

477
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,519
past past this point. It looks very official, very government,

478
00:22:13,599 --> 00:22:16,599
but it's not a government sign, and I'll kind of

479
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:18,480
let Brittany take over from here, because this is the

480
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,640
part that I don't recall very much because when I'm

481
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,000
in these locations, I just want to get out of

482
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,039
the car, I want to walk around, I want to

483
00:22:24,079 --> 00:22:26,759
be there in the moment, and Brittany's usually my my

484
00:22:26,759 --> 00:22:29,000
anchor is saying like, hey, you're going to die soon

485
00:22:29,279 --> 00:22:32,519
if you continue this nonsense. Jesus, don't make me sound

486
00:22:32,599 --> 00:22:33,400
like that.

487
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 4: You made me sound like I'm some oracle coming in

488
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,119
from the depths to tell you, Hey, this is your future,

489
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,519
and then I just dip out of existence.

490
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:45,400
Speaker 3: I mean, it's pretty pretty close. Sometimes you did literally

491
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,920
sleep in a haunted manner while we did a paranel investigation.

492
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:57,559
Speaker 4: So I mean that fan may just sleep. Anyways, when

493
00:22:57,599 --> 00:22:59,759
we had driven up to the gate, you could you

494
00:22:59,759 --> 00:23:02,440
could go back into Skimwalker Ranch because they had the

495
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,000
whole thing like fenced off, and even on the other

496
00:23:05,079 --> 00:23:07,200
side they had a black mailbox with a camera in

497
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,920
it that literally told us do not stop here, you

498
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,960
are being recorded. So of course we stopped and took

499
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,960
a picture of it, and we went back to the entrance.

500
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,359
But all the way in we had seen a dog.

501
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:24,759
This dog was aggressive, territorial and it was like biting

502
00:23:24,799 --> 00:23:28,079
at the tires. And to make a long story short,

503
00:23:28,079 --> 00:23:31,440
growing up in Appalachia, I've seen a few dogs like

504
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,839
this or unfortunately, my family members had a couple of

505
00:23:33,839 --> 00:23:37,680
dogs like that to protect the property. And that seemed

506
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,839
to be what it was. But we had driven back

507
00:23:39,839 --> 00:23:41,880
and forth to the gate a few times at this point,

508
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,519
and it was like every other time we had driven

509
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,880
back by that house because that was the other weird thing.

510
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,559
This isn't a desolate area. I mean there are like

511
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,119
houses scattered all around the property of Skinwalker Ranch.

512
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna jump in real fast. So the signs

513
00:23:56,240 --> 00:24:00,599
said as it's a giant red stop sign, white sign

514
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,519
with a giant red stop sign on its does stop

515
00:24:04,799 --> 00:24:07,880
only authorized personnel beyond this point. This is a private road.

516
00:24:08,279 --> 00:24:10,720
This property is monitored twenty four to seven by security

517
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,519
personnel and multiple surveillance systems. If you proceed beyond this point,

518
00:24:14,519 --> 00:24:17,440
you'll be side of for trespassing. And then there's several

519
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,200
sign to say space Wolf Research, private property, keep out

520
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,480
properties in your surveillance, twenty four to seven, no stopping anytime,

521
00:24:23,519 --> 00:24:25,880
do not stop here, so on and so forth.

522
00:24:27,039 --> 00:24:29,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, So we had stopped, of course, had to take

523
00:24:29,839 --> 00:24:31,400
our pictures, but we didn't get out of the gate

524
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:35,400
because I mean there were like twenty cameras in that

525
00:24:35,559 --> 00:24:39,400
area alone. But every other time we had driven back

526
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,440
and forth to the gate, this dog would like appear,

527
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,400
bite at the tires, bite the car, chase a spark,

528
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,680
and then it would disappear. Then like it would just

529
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,319
be not like vanish and thin air, it just wouldn't

530
00:24:50,319 --> 00:24:52,319
be around. Like by the time we went down to

531
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,720
the gate, which would be like five minutes in this

532
00:24:54,839 --> 00:24:58,559
time span, drove all away gate, took some pictures, turned

533
00:24:58,599 --> 00:25:00,839
back around it was it was gone. It had like

534
00:25:01,319 --> 00:25:03,440
ran behind the house or we didn't hear it or

535
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,880
see it. So we had done this a few different times,

536
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:08,759
just kind of looking at the area, and at one

537
00:25:08,759 --> 00:25:11,279
point we went further down the road, back towards where

538
00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:13,880
we came in from, and we actually stopped and looked

539
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,279
at the sky and there were some weird lights, you know,

540
00:25:16,319 --> 00:25:19,079
some lights moving in the sky but could be satellites.

541
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:23,440
They were pretty well it was hard to tell, nothing

542
00:25:23,599 --> 00:25:28,440
like too crazy in the sky. But what had happened

543
00:25:28,599 --> 00:25:32,440
was on the last time that we had turned back

544
00:25:32,559 --> 00:25:38,319
up from the gate and go went back towards see

545
00:25:38,319 --> 00:25:40,839
the entrance of this road. There was two dogs that

546
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,599
showed up on the hill and so they kind of

547
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,519
ran away. They didn't follow us or anything. We checked

548
00:25:46,519 --> 00:25:48,839
our mirrors, checked on the car, and no one followed us.

549
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,640
And as we were standing outside looking at the stars,

550
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:57,240
kind of looking around the area, I heard something barrel

551
00:25:57,319 --> 00:26:00,720
down the hill behind us on the driver's the car.

552
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,599
It's a pretty large hill and it sounded huge. I mean,

553
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,160
it sounded like a freaking bear running down that hill.

554
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,720
And so I told Bob, get the f and the car.

555
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:14,160
We're leaving, like we're gone. So Bob gets in the

556
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:19,640
car and he starts to drive, and then as he's

557
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:24,279
driving away pretty fast, we start seeing the dog start

558
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,279
chasing the car. And he hadn't left like the property

559
00:26:27,319 --> 00:26:30,160
area as far as we'd know before, but he chased

560
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,519
us for like a mile and a half two miles.

561
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,720
He chased us out of that road. He chased us

562
00:26:35,839 --> 00:26:39,680
down the main road, and then by the time we

563
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,880
turned the wrong way we turned right instead left back

564
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,079
to go back to town. We turned right, chased us

565
00:26:46,079 --> 00:26:49,480
a little bit down that road we were going that

566
00:26:49,519 --> 00:26:51,279
way probably had to say about another five minutes, and by

567
00:26:51,279 --> 00:26:53,599
the time we turned back around, it was still trying

568
00:26:53,599 --> 00:26:56,599
to chase after us and followed our car the other way.

569
00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:00,599
Once we drove by, there weren't really any in the road,

570
00:27:00,599 --> 00:27:02,680
so I'm not saying like it knew that that was

571
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:07,480
our car, but it rechased us once we had disengaged

572
00:27:07,519 --> 00:27:11,920
and came back the other way, so we finally get away.

573
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,359
This is probably about the skinwalk range was probably a

574
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,519
few miles outside of town and down this main road.

575
00:27:17,519 --> 00:27:19,519
We get to a stop light and I'll let Bob

576
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:20,559
take over from here.

577
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I had just made some remark of you know,

578
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,160
we were stopped at the stop light. Yeah, it was

579
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:27,759
more of an off the cuff common you know, a

580
00:27:27,839 --> 00:27:30,440
joke like, oh, maybe that was a skin walker. And

581
00:27:30,599 --> 00:27:33,119
like as soon as I said it, we heard this, like,

582
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,480
ex this is when we heard the howl.

583
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, the howl in the barking.

584
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, we heard this howl that was like extremely loud

585
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:42,880
and again, you know, I've been in the woods quite

586
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,240
a bit. It was definitely higher pitch than a coyote

587
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:49,359
and much louder and then just barking and it just

588
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,079
you know, we sped out of there. We got out

589
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,359
of there instantly. And it's again, I'm not saying that

590
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,000
we encountered our skin walker, but I'm saying that that

591
00:27:55,039 --> 00:28:00,319
was an extremely bizarre experience. Yeah. Yeah. And then from

592
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,519
there we made a wain to Mount Shasta, which if

593
00:28:03,519 --> 00:28:06,359
anyone's ever been, that's it's it's beautiful. It's it's a

594
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:07,799
very beautiful town. It has one of the one of

595
00:28:07,839 --> 00:28:11,000
the best metaphysical shops in the continental of US. We visited.

596
00:28:11,039 --> 00:28:13,799
We've we've been to a lot. Yeah, it's like a

597
00:28:13,839 --> 00:28:15,680
metaphysical superstore. The woman was.

598
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 4: Metaphysical store. It's so amazing.

599
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 3: The woman was extremely nice.

600
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 4: Been there for like thirty years. Yeah, just slowly she

601
00:28:25,279 --> 00:28:28,599
was like slowly taking over the downtown. She had bought

602
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,160
like three different stores and just like tore down the

603
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,640
walls to make it bigger and bigger and bigger. Yeah,

604
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,200
I'm pretty sure when we left she was like, yeah,

605
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,240
I'm looking at buying the next one next door.

606
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, she had said next to me is coming here,

607
00:28:39,079 --> 00:28:42,279
I'll have my next the next extension expansion open. I

608
00:28:42,319 --> 00:28:45,039
was like, Jesus woman, how, I mean, good, good on you,

609
00:28:45,119 --> 00:28:49,759
but like monopolizing metaphysical in Mount Shasta. I'm here for it.

610
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,519
But uh yeah, Mount Shasta. It was gorgeous. And you know,

611
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,279
we we've heard all heard the stores of the loome

612
00:28:54,279 --> 00:28:55,319
Arians of Mount Shasta.

613
00:28:55,359 --> 00:28:59,079
Speaker 4: The well, I actually hadn't before I went to Mount Shasta.

614
00:28:59,279 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 3: Really, yes. So the the TLDR of Lumerians is there's

615
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,680
this alleged group of depending on where you look, some

616
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,240
say the Venusians. Some people say that they come from Atlantis,

617
00:29:10,319 --> 00:29:14,079
or that they are a like a breakof tribe from

618
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,240
the Atlantean Some say that they came from Venus and

619
00:29:16,279 --> 00:29:19,920
the Venusians. There's a handful of different like rhetoric when

620
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,480
it comes to where these people came from. But basically

621
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,880
there's the legend goes there's this entire civilization deep within

622
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:31,839
Mount Shasta and these stories. There's a few alleged beginnings

623
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:33,680
or these stories. The most notable one, I think someone

624
00:29:33,759 --> 00:29:35,960
was hiking and they saw one of these things and

625
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,160
they took the person inside. Now, it sounds a lot

626
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,640
like Campbell's Hero's Journey if you're familiar with that story.

627
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,640
It very much resembles a real life rendition of the

628
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:49,319
Hero's Journey. But Mount Shasta has a very unique culture there.

629
00:29:49,319 --> 00:29:51,559
Because we went to a bar and grill in town

630
00:29:51,759 --> 00:29:55,640
and I'd asked, I think we asked the u bartender

631
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,559
and I said, you know, is there anything weird I hear?

632
00:29:57,599 --> 00:29:59,720
And she's called apart from the Louomerians, and she can't

633
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:01,000
you know, kind of wrote that off like it was

634
00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:02,599
a normal thing. And again, if you if you live

635
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,279
in it, it is a normal thing. We talk about

636
00:30:04,319 --> 00:30:06,559
that a lot over on our show. But she had

637
00:30:06,599 --> 00:30:10,119
just thrown this like weird off the cuff comment about

638
00:30:10,119 --> 00:30:13,000
this cult leader that had come to town, had a cold

639
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,559
out in the woods. They were blue people, they were

640
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,200
there were blue people. And she died because she was

641
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,359
injecting uh silver n some kind of silver in her

642
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,920
veins to cure I think a cancer that she had.

643
00:30:25,759 --> 00:30:28,480
And I don't I believe they like never found her body.

644
00:30:28,599 --> 00:30:30,240
It was a very weird thing that she just like

645
00:30:30,279 --> 00:30:34,440
said as she's handing me my cheeseburger, and I was like, okay, thanks,

646
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,799
don't love any of this at all. And then we

647
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,359
we spent I think a night or two in Mount Shasta.

648
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,279
I have a very cool recording I'll send you of

649
00:30:43,279 --> 00:30:45,759
of some locals that were singing and dancing. They were

650
00:30:45,759 --> 00:30:48,720
doing some sort of like ode to the Native American

651
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,519
tribes that are in the area. When we were out

652
00:30:50,559 --> 00:30:54,599
on Mount Shasta, and there's something different about the California

653
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,799
sky that I apart from a very deep Appalachia, you

654
00:30:58,839 --> 00:31:02,480
don't really see the galaxy is breaking apart. It's the

655
00:31:02,599 --> 00:31:06,279
very little light pollution. It is absolutely gorgeous. We spent

656
00:31:06,319 --> 00:31:07,960
our time over in Mount Shasta. Then I'm like, well,

657
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,160
let's go out to Vegas, because that's what you know

658
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,200
grown ups do. They go out to Las Vegas when

659
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:16,720
they're on a random trip across country. And now mind

660
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,920
you like, we drove this. I drove from Ohio to

661
00:31:19,079 --> 00:31:23,200
Denver without stopping, like, no sleep, no stopping, nothing, and

662
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,559
I think I drove from I'm pretty sure I drove

663
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,400
to Mount Shasta without stopping as well. From Denver.

664
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 4: Well, we had thought about staying the night and the

665
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,720
town where Skinwalker Ranch was because we were tired byt

666
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,279
that point. And then after all that happened, We're like, yeah,

667
00:31:36,279 --> 00:31:39,000
there's no way in hell we're staying in this freaking town.

668
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, the adrenaline dump was real, and we went out

669
00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:44,480
to Mount Shadow. We went from Mount Shasta out to Vegas,

670
00:31:44,559 --> 00:31:46,720
and we we got to go out to Area fifty one,

671
00:31:46,799 --> 00:31:50,599
which is really cool. I'm gonna say something controversial here

672
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,200
and your listeners can crucify me for it. It is

673
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,559
not worth stopping at the little ali again. It's just

674
00:31:55,799 --> 00:31:57,720
it's not worth it. It's not worth the extra hour,

675
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,519
it's not worth the headache. The the people there were

676
00:32:01,599 --> 00:32:05,039
nice enough, but it's just I understand it's place in

677
00:32:05,119 --> 00:32:07,240
Ufo Lore, I really do. I understand. You know, John

678
00:32:07,279 --> 00:32:10,839
Lear's done speeches there, bobble Zar's done speeches. I understand completely.

679
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,319
But I will say personally, it was not worth the

680
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,279
trek out there. But we did get throughout the area

681
00:32:16,319 --> 00:32:18,480
fifty one. Nothing really cool happened out there. I was

682
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,400
hoping we're gonna get chased off or something. But I

683
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,359
will say when I was out of Area fifty one,

684
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,759
very similar to the time I've spent at Right Patterson

685
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:30,480
in Dayton, Ohio, it felt very much like, oh yeah,

686
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,440
there could definitely be Aliens here, like for sure something happened.

687
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,079
It feels alien area. Yeah, Because when you're driving, I mean,

688
00:32:38,119 --> 00:32:40,319
it's hours of nothing like if you're going from Vegas

689
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,359
Area fifty one. It's there was one really cool like

690
00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:46,599
pop up tourist shop that I bought an alien head

691
00:32:46,599 --> 00:32:50,359
full of tequila at. I don't think it's sitting on

692
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,640
the shelf right there. Yeah. But apart from that, like

693
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,000
there's there's no gas stations, there's nose. I think there's uh,

694
00:32:55,079 --> 00:32:57,480
you know, as as you enter the Extraterrestrial Highway, which

695
00:32:57,559 --> 00:32:59,680
I have a photo of me out there, I'm pretty

696
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,559
sure it's like next gas one hundred something miles or

697
00:33:02,599 --> 00:33:07,039
something ridiculous, there is literally nothing. Yeah, if it's a

698
00:33:07,039 --> 00:33:10,079
barren wasteland. Oh we did. What's funny? Is my first

699
00:33:10,319 --> 00:33:13,079
introduction to Vegas. We passed a I think it's called

700
00:33:13,079 --> 00:33:16,720
the Cat's Head Brothel and it's an alien themed brothel

701
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,960
outside of Vegas. I wish I could make this up.

702
00:33:20,039 --> 00:33:23,160
It's a giant alien because again, you're you're in the desert,

703
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:24,880
you see nothing, and then all of a sudden you

704
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:29,279
come around this curve or over a hill and am

705
00:33:29,359 --> 00:33:31,759
I saying old? I mean I'm talking like sixties porn

706
00:33:32,079 --> 00:33:34,279
neon lights like you can tell have not been clean

707
00:33:34,359 --> 00:33:37,640
since they were installed in nineteen fifty seven or something ridiculous,

708
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,839
And you see a giant alien head in a tavern

709
00:33:40,319 --> 00:33:43,640
and it's like alien brothel. Turn left. So of course,

710
00:33:43,759 --> 00:33:45,880
you know, we had to pull in and see what

711
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,880
that's about. And it's it's just it's a brothel in

712
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,599
the desert. That's alien theme. There's no I thought I

713
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,319
was gonna like when I went in and got a drink,

714
00:33:53,359 --> 00:33:56,119
because you have to you have to stop. I'm like, oh,

715
00:33:56,119 --> 00:33:58,319
the girls from the dress is aliens. No, it's just

716
00:33:58,319 --> 00:34:01,799
like women, which is fine. I like women, but like

717
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,559
I wanted them to lean full into the gimmick like

718
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,079
Star Trek, Star Wars. I wanted to see alien gar

719
00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:10,440
but three in the morning, nothing, it was just uh yeah.

720
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:11,360
He was like, I'll give you a disc.

721
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 4: Guy He's like no, you were like, no, I I gotta.

722
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,679
Speaker 3: Go, I gotta go. I'm not actually here for the brothel.

723
00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:16,679
I just want to drink. Please.

724
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: Maybe it's I'm going off the rail figure with it,

725
00:34:19,559 --> 00:34:21,280
but maybe it's a place where people go in there

726
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:21,880
to get probed.

727
00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 3: Oh no, oh no. Yeah. That was our last cross

728
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,840
country trek. And you know, since living in Missouri, we

729
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,840
I just had one of my employees tell me about

730
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,880
a what's funny is I saw it on Facebook, and

731
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,199
then an employee mentioned it to me that there's an

732
00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:43,719
alleged like rip in reality in Marble Hill, Missouri, which

733
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,719
is like I looked up Marble Hill. It's a town

734
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,880
of like three hundred people. Maybe it's like a super

735
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:54,039
small little village that is rife with like tragedy and

736
00:34:54,199 --> 00:34:56,679
just weird like they have like the Marble Hill Monster

737
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,639
that I've never heard of before I started researching that,

738
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:01,920
so I'm gonna try. We have us some friends coming

739
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:03,440
into town at the end of the month, Cody and

740
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,559
his fiance from Mystery Archives. I'm gona try and get

741
00:35:05,559 --> 00:35:08,239
them to go out there with me, because when I'm

742
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,719
looking at this area, it's just I mean, like brutal

743
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,559
murders have happened. They've had hangings of witches in this

744
00:35:13,639 --> 00:35:17,239
town from what I was reading, They've had multiple UFO sidings,

745
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,840
cryptid sidings. There's been bigfootesque creatures like running through the

746
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:25,320
center of the town. There's there's glow worms like you

747
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,679
would see in a cave, apparently just like living the

748
00:35:27,679 --> 00:35:31,800
creeks there. For some reason, it's a super like weird town.

749
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,880
But people on line described as a rip in like reality,

750
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,000
so of course I have to go there at three

751
00:35:37,039 --> 00:35:39,199
in the morning, like we have to see what's happening

752
00:35:39,679 --> 00:35:40,920
not too far from where we live.

753
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: I think, like the only time I've ever been out

754
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,440
west has been a couple of times. But when we

755
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,199
went to Vegas, I wanted to go out the area

756
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:50,840
fifty one.

757
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,280
Speaker 3: We didn't end up going. We didn't have a vehicle

758
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:54,519
and I didn't want to have to.

759
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:55,760
Speaker 1: Pay Uber to drive me all the way out in

760
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,519
the middle of nowhere. But I do regret not doing

761
00:35:58,559 --> 00:35:59,800
a whole lot when we went to Vegas, so I

762
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:01,800
know We're gonna have to go out there again sometime soon.

763
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 3: But I do know you can see art Bell's grave,

764
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,920
which every podcaster should have an ode to art Bell,

765
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,559
because without art Bell, we wouldn't have ten Foil Tails

766
00:36:11,599 --> 00:36:12,360
or Tales from the Dark.

767
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to say something without it. Hopefully I

768
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,440
should have it by tomorrow across my fingers, but I

769
00:36:21,559 --> 00:36:24,440
have new artwork being made, so by the time this

770
00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:26,599
is actually released, maybe the art work will be out.

771
00:36:26,639 --> 00:36:30,480
I don't know yet, but it is very art Bell influenced.

772
00:36:31,079 --> 00:36:33,719
I'll just leave it at that. I'm not drawing and

773
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,440
I haven't seen it, but I've commissioned it out and

774
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,320
I was told what it's supposed to look like, and

775
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:40,960
they said, you're using an art bell type of a

776
00:36:41,079 --> 00:36:43,000
theme to it, so we'll see how it turns out.

777
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 3: I love that you need to send me pictures right

778
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,800
away because I'm very interested. I grew up with Coast

779
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,280
to Coast, like inadvertently, I didn't, you know, And I

780
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,559
tell people this, and I kind of feel like sleazy

781
00:36:55,599 --> 00:36:57,800
by saying this, but I didn't really listen to Coast

782
00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,880
to Coast and tells like a night shift security guard.

783
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,119
I was flipping through the channels and I'll never feel

784
00:37:03,599 --> 00:37:06,639
channel ninety five to seven. When I was in Ohio

785
00:37:06,679 --> 00:37:08,679
and they it was like two in the morning. I

786
00:37:08,679 --> 00:37:11,320
was struggling to stay awake. I used to like smuggle

787
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,880
in Duck Dynasty DVDs and watch them on the CCTV

788
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,159
computer there because it just it was something to keep

789
00:37:18,199 --> 00:37:21,599
me awake at night. And it was one of those

790
00:37:21,639 --> 00:37:23,719
things where I was like, I'm gonna turn the radio one.

791
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:24,800
It was like the weather radio.

792
00:37:25,039 --> 00:37:27,679
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, it's just a Duck Dynasty.

793
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,119
Speaker 3: Well, look, it's little bits of storytelling that that's how

794
00:37:31,159 --> 00:37:35,039
people know, Oh, this guy is serious. Yeah, nasty for me.

795
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,599
Speaker 4: I mean I watched Duck Dynasty with mamall, so I

796
00:37:37,639 --> 00:37:41,239
can't say, like, but you were so committed to the bit.

797
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I used to do it. It's called American

798
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,679
Trim and said they Ohio. I was a night shift

799
00:37:48,679 --> 00:37:51,599
security yard there for about six to eight months, and

800
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:56,079
there's a Walgreens like within you could, if you were

801
00:37:56,119 --> 00:37:57,599
had a good arm, you could throw a baseball from

802
00:37:57,599 --> 00:38:00,280
American Trim hit the Walgreens. And I used to stop

803
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:01,719
there because it was the only place open at night

804
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,840
apart from the Speedway. And I hated going to Speedway

805
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,159
because it was just like drug addicts and people in Basalt.

806
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,800
So I just avoided that at all costs. But I

807
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,559
went to Walgreens say that they had a dollar bin

808
00:38:10,599 --> 00:38:12,280
of DVDs, and like, I don't have a DVD player,

809
00:38:12,559 --> 00:38:14,639
but I'm gonna buy Duck Dynasty on DVD because that's

810
00:38:14,679 --> 00:38:16,920
what you do. And it was like two seasons. I

811
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,719
watch those two seasons at least fifty times. And that's

812
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,159
that's the extent of my Duck Dynasty knowledge. But I

813
00:38:24,199 --> 00:38:28,119
was I was flipping through the radio, the weather radio,

814
00:38:28,159 --> 00:38:30,840
which they specifically said do not touch do not use

815
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:32,840
this except for emergency. So of course I'm like, I'm

816
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,079
going to listen to the radio because I was a

817
00:38:35,119 --> 00:38:39,079
really good security guard back then, and I I'll never

818
00:38:39,119 --> 00:38:40,840
forget it was. It was such a it was my

819
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,239
real introduction to synchronicity. And I've never really put it

820
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,079
together until just now telling the story. But they were

821
00:38:46,119 --> 00:38:50,840
discussing black eyed children on the Coast to Coast that night,

822
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:52,400
and I was like, Okay, well, I don't know what

823
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,280
this is. I don't know what you know. I like ghosts, though,

824
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,639
so let's see what this is about. And you know, again,

825
00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,519
I have to do rounds, which you know, basically it's

826
00:38:59,519 --> 00:39:01,760
a patrol of the facility. This was a night where

827
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:03,360
there's no one working, so I'm going through a pitch

828
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,800
black facility. After just learning about black eyed children. Don't

829
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,679
recommend zero out of five. They gave us like the

830
00:39:09,679 --> 00:39:12,800
crappiest dollar tree flashlight that you could see three feet.

831
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,519
It was very much like a five night at Freddy's

832
00:39:14,559 --> 00:39:19,119
Horror Game, but in real life. And what was funny

833
00:39:19,199 --> 00:39:21,239
is I I you know, I'm writing about black eyed

834
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,519
I'm just like writing on the incident report sheet about

835
00:39:23,519 --> 00:39:25,159
black eyed children. So I could look this up. When

836
00:39:25,159 --> 00:39:27,840
I went home, and we had a gentleman named Terry.

837
00:39:28,159 --> 00:39:30,079
And this this guy, Terry, he had been with a

838
00:39:30,119 --> 00:39:33,639
cleaning company for like seventeen eighteen years. He worked like

839
00:39:33,679 --> 00:39:38,320
seven jobs, and he his wife was on disability or something,

840
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,519
and you know, so he basically had the household. They

841
00:39:40,519 --> 00:39:42,239
had like thirty children.

842
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:42,559
Speaker 5: It was.

843
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 3: It was like a small village. Is how you describe

844
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:46,599
his household to me and shout out to Terry. I'm

845
00:39:46,639 --> 00:39:49,440
sure he's still working seven jobs, but I hope you're

846
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,719
doing good, Terry. Yeah. So, but this guy, he was

847
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,639
always extremely serious, like, you know, he if he would

848
00:39:54,639 --> 00:39:56,159
crack a joke, you'd have to think like is that

849
00:39:56,199 --> 00:39:58,440
an actual joke or is he telling me a real story?

850
00:39:58,480 --> 00:39:59,840
And I'm not supposed to laugh, Like he's one of

851
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:03,119
those those kind of guys. And he comes into clean

852
00:40:03,159 --> 00:40:05,440
one day and he sees the next day and he

853
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,760
sees that I wrote black eyed children on the instant

854
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,599
report form and he stops and he looks at me.

855
00:40:11,599 --> 00:40:13,440
He goes, Bob, what do you know about black eyed chilling?

856
00:40:14,119 --> 00:40:18,599
And I said, Terry, what the fuck? Hang on, sir,

857
00:40:19,199 --> 00:40:21,719
excuse me, And he tells me a story about how

858
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,679
he had a run in with these black eyed children,

859
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,199
how he was terrified of them, and it was one

860
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,320
of those things that I'm like, Okay, people have stories

861
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,719
now and maybe this is not as crazy as it

862
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,079
once was. And then I put it in the back

863
00:40:33,119 --> 00:40:34,480
burner until he started to tell us from the dark.

864
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,199
I mean, this was I think before I even met Brittany.

865
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,119
Speaker 4: This was years, hours, years ago.

866
00:40:38,599 --> 00:40:40,639
Speaker 3: But it was one of those like eye opening times.

867
00:40:40,639 --> 00:40:43,000
Because again I've told I tell everyone the same thing.

868
00:40:43,159 --> 00:40:45,880
I grew up in the TAPS age of paranormal investigating,

869
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,840
so I was blessed enough to not have to sit

870
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,840
through ghost adventures and take it seriously as paranormal media.

871
00:40:53,079 --> 00:40:57,320
Now I know, people of Zach Megan's I'm sorry, it's

872
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,920
okay to not have good culture. It's okay. I understand.

873
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,320
I cannot stand up. Yes, I know I can't, and

874
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,079
I will die on this hill. But I grew up,

875
00:41:06,079 --> 00:41:09,320
you know, during the TAPS era, and I have distinct

876
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,920
memories as as a child of knocking on people's doors saying, hey,

877
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:14,559
do you have a ghost? Can I help? I'm here

878
00:41:14,559 --> 00:41:17,559
to help you. I'm here to help me in your house. Now,

879
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:19,159
you know, as a very.

880
00:41:19,039 --> 00:41:21,280
Speaker 4: Mom said I could, I could come and explore your basement.

881
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 3: Look ghost, Yeah, Mom said, it's my firm with the ghost. Yeah.

882
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:29,639
And now this has continued into adulthood because this was

883
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:31,920
just a couple of years ago. I was with Tyler

884
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,039
Terry and Sydney and there is only one real like

885
00:41:35,159 --> 00:41:37,639
serial killer that ever happened in Sydney, Ohio, where we

886
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:41,079
grew up, and it happened to occur us probably seven

887
00:41:41,079 --> 00:41:42,679
eight years old when this happened right around the corner

888
00:41:42,679 --> 00:41:45,559
from my house. And we had heard that this house

889
00:41:45,639 --> 00:41:49,159
is now haunted, you know, we I've actually talked to

890
00:41:49,159 --> 00:41:51,320
some of the victims since then. It's a very weird thing,

891
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,320
which why I bring this up. I'm sure in a

892
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:54,920
week I'm gonna want to write a book or do

893
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:56,679
a movie about this, because that's how it usually goes

894
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,480
for me. But Tyler and I decided to visit the

895
00:41:59,519 --> 00:42:03,920
house where where it happened. And now, you know, Tyler

896
00:42:04,119 --> 00:42:06,880
is a really good looking guy. He's uh, you know,

897
00:42:07,199 --> 00:42:10,599
he's the boy band Construction.

898
00:42:10,679 --> 00:42:13,800
Speaker 4: That's description. He's the boy band.

899
00:42:14,599 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

900
00:42:15,039 --> 00:42:17,760
Speaker 4: I mean he was in Phantom Farm, Yeah, he was

901
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,079
in Fantasy, The Luscious Locks and everything going on for him.

902
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:22,719
He's literally the boy band.

903
00:42:22,639 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 3: Meaner yeah now now, but I will say Tyler has

904
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:26,960
some stones on him and he's incredibly intelligent. When I

905
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,079
met Tyler Terry the first time I had uh I

906
00:42:29,119 --> 00:42:32,639
had dated his sister briefly in like fifth grade. I

907
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,480
had forgotten that that even happened until he here reminded me.

908
00:42:36,559 --> 00:42:40,039
But the whole time when I met Tyler, you know

909
00:42:40,079 --> 00:42:42,360
formerly so I was in a hardcore band for years.

910
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,599
We were playing a The shows we used to play

911
00:42:44,599 --> 00:42:47,440
in Sydney was like they would just get as many

912
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,280
bands as they could. They'd started like two o'clock in

913
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,360
the afternoon and go until ten pm. And uh, I

914
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,199
was in a hardcore band, and Tyler played you know,

915
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,760
emo music. He was an acoustic act. You played emo music,

916
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,760
and that was his He's a self described you know

917
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,960
emo artists. Now it's indyear, I'm not even sure what

918
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,880
we call it now, but I always gave him props.

919
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,000
So the kids got stones because it would be fifteen

920
00:43:08,039 --> 00:43:10,360
hardcore bands and then Tyler singing about how someone broke

921
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:14,039
his heart, and it was always an amazing thing to see.

922
00:43:14,039 --> 00:43:16,719
So Tyler and I stayed friends for years. But we

923
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:20,440
were at the Lawrence Michael Hensley home and the woman

924
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,920
who lives there is pretty against folks stopping by. So

925
00:43:24,039 --> 00:43:25,679
Tyler and I stopped by and she's out on the

926
00:43:25,679 --> 00:43:28,079
front porch and we're asking it if anything where ever

927
00:43:28,159 --> 00:43:30,280
happened in this house. She goes, well, you know, you

928
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:31,599
know the history of the house, and she didn't really

929
00:43:31,599 --> 00:43:33,280
want to talk to us, and I'm like, can we

930
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,880
go in your basement? I just cut Tyler off made

931
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:38,639
he's you know, he's showed a smooth talk this one, like,

932
00:43:38,679 --> 00:43:40,840
we go in your basement, just take pictures, and she's like, no,

933
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,960
get away from my house. Now, I was like twenty

934
00:43:45,159 --> 00:43:46,679
I was like twenty seven or twenty eight when it

935
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,719
it's not like.

936
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, it wasn't before you definitely though, since then have

937
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,360
learned to have more tact than that.

938
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 3: Yeah. I usually I'm like, hey, can I buy you supper?

939
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,239
Then can I go in your house? Like yeah, I

940
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,480
have learned the way of talking to folks. Back then,

941
00:44:01,519 --> 00:44:04,360
I just I had no filter. I'm like, yeah, well, now,

942
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,199
back then, I was like, you know, everyone is as

943
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,400
into the stuff as I am, so they're going to

944
00:44:09,159 --> 00:44:11,960
feed my addiction. No don't go to strangers houses and

945
00:44:12,039 --> 00:44:14,440
ask you can go in their basement. Just that's that's

946
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,440
my ode to your listeners. That's my advice for the day.

947
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:17,639
It's a it's a bad idea.

948
00:44:18,519 --> 00:44:21,679
Speaker 4: Can you learn one thing from this podcast episode? It's

949
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,440
that right there. Yeah, but it's it's an interesting thing.

950
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,639
Speaker 3: And the the if any of your listeners are interested

951
00:44:26,639 --> 00:44:27,960
in true crime, if you want, if you want to

952
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,400
Doozy Lawrence Michael Henley Hinsley, Sidney, Ohio, look into that

953
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,519
and look at how many people drop the ball and

954
00:44:33,559 --> 00:44:36,079
how how how much the town has gone and pretending that, like,

955
00:44:36,119 --> 00:44:38,559
how how many steps the town has gone through to

956
00:44:38,599 --> 00:44:41,039
pretend that it did not happen. That's a big thing

957
00:44:41,079 --> 00:44:43,320
for me that we've uh, I've slowly unearthed over the

958
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,440
years is like there was a lot of mishandlings. The

959
00:44:46,519 --> 00:44:48,760
crime could have been prevented. I can say we're not

960
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:50,639
in Ohio anymore, so I can actually like, yeah.

961
00:44:50,519 --> 00:44:51,559
Speaker 4: We can actually talk about this.

962
00:44:52,119 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 3: I can be a little less cautious because one thing

963
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,480
I learned researching this is like, don't do it in

964
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,480
the town. It's a really bad idea. The police want

965
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,840
this this on. It's as close to a cover up,

966
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,880
as you'll see, like if you're talking like with a movie,

967
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,000
it very much reads, it reads and sounds like a movie.

968
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:09,920
When you start looking into the case and you find

969
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,639
like the what was crazy is the The most common

970
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:14,760
article you're going to find is from the Guardian in

971
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:19,480
the UK discussing this small town in Ohio. That was

972
00:45:19,559 --> 00:45:21,519
to me as a researcher, like, oh, well, that's a

973
00:45:21,519 --> 00:45:24,840
red flag. There should be a million you know, Sydney

974
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:26,840
Daily News. That's that's a local newspaper. There'd be a

975
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,480
million articles about this, and there's not.

976
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 4: It wasn't talked about.

977
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, then it's okay, well why is that? And then

978
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:34,960
everyone I've spoken to that's an adult or it was

979
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,280
on the police forces, the town wants to forget. Don't

980
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,880
remind them. The town just wants to forget. And then

981
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,400
I'm like, well I'm gonna remind them. Let me look

982
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,880
into this some more. And then you find out like, oh,

983
00:45:45,199 --> 00:45:47,880
everything from like police mishandlings to a potential cover up

984
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,559
occurred with this murder, and it was. It was a terrible,

985
00:45:51,639 --> 00:45:53,800
terrible time for our city. But that was also my

986
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,159
introduction to the satanic panic, which if you're willing, I'd

987
00:45:56,159 --> 00:45:59,039
like to discuss the Satanic Panic briefly on the on

988
00:45:59,079 --> 00:46:05,559
this episode go for It. So I had no idea

989
00:46:05,639 --> 00:46:07,880
what the Satanic Panic was. I had never heard that

990
00:46:08,039 --> 00:46:13,159
terminology at all before. And basically for the listeners who

991
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:18,519
might not be familiar, this happened mainly so here in America.

992
00:46:18,559 --> 00:46:20,679
It's kind of it's kind of a difficult place to

993
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:22,360
start because some people say it started with the Manson

994
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,880
family murders. So a lot of people grew up, especially

995
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:27,320
if you grew up in the Midwest, you grew up

996
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,719
in a household that didn't lock your doors. I remember

997
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:31,519
as a kid, we never locked our doors. That really

998
00:46:31,599 --> 00:46:36,119
wasn't a thing until after the Hensley murders occurred and

999
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:40,599
the Satanic Panic. It definitely wrapped its greasy hands around

1000
00:46:40,639 --> 00:46:43,639
the American public in a way that when I was

1001
00:46:43,679 --> 00:46:46,280
a kid, I remember that you didn't really have to

1002
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,039
like we didn't have a be home by time it's dark.

1003
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,840
It was always be home for supper. That was always

1004
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:52,880
a thing that you know, when I was a kid,

1005
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,920
it wasn't like, you know, when it's dark, the demons

1006
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:59,719
come out and something switched in smalltown, Ohio, and the

1007
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:03,199
nine nineties going into the two thousands, where this terrible

1008
00:47:03,199 --> 00:47:06,559
thing had happened, where you know, these young ladies were killed,

1009
00:47:07,079 --> 00:47:09,599
and all of a sudden, the town went from this

1010
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:11,599
really nice place to live that had a lot of

1011
00:47:11,679 --> 00:47:14,760
industry was growing up. You know, when I say Sydney

1012
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:19,920
had industry, I'm talking six seven major factories, several steel founderies.

1013
00:47:20,599 --> 00:47:22,239
Ten miles away is the Honda plant, one of the

1014
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,239
biggest Honta plants in North America and Ohio. It was

1015
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:26,920
a very it was a place that you wanted to live.

1016
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:28,280
You know, you wanted to be in Sydney. It was

1017
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,320
a great place. If you had a job there, you know,

1018
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,480
you knew you were doing fairly well. It wasn't uncommon

1019
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:36,079
to see a single income father have you know, two vehicles,

1020
00:47:36,199 --> 00:47:38,559
three to four bedroom home. That was very, very common

1021
00:47:38,559 --> 00:47:42,159
when I was a child, and a lot of churches Catholic.

1022
00:47:42,159 --> 00:47:46,320
We had a very strong Catholic blood running through the city.

1023
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,079
And the murders occurred, and all of a sudden, it

1024
00:47:49,159 --> 00:47:53,159
was demons everywhere. Everyone was a pedophile, everyone was a murderer,

1025
00:47:53,199 --> 00:47:58,239
everyone was there's a demon behind every door. And we

1026
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,199
started hearing stories when I was younger, and it was

1027
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,199
weird because as an adult I reached out to several classmates.

1028
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,920
This is a few years ago, and some of us, like,

1029
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:08,400
you know, we weren't the same clicks in high school.

1030
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,960
We didn't really talk. You know. As adults, that kind

1031
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:12,519
of stuff goes away. You know, you can start to

1032
00:48:12,519 --> 00:48:14,000
talk to folks that we would never talk to in

1033
00:48:14,079 --> 00:48:17,800
high school. And no matter what background you had, or

1034
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:19,840
what click you were in, or even what year you

1035
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,079
were in school, we all are the same story that

1036
00:48:22,119 --> 00:48:24,480
out on River Road there are cultists in the woods

1037
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:28,960
that are sacrificing animals, children, They're killing people. It's bloody,

1038
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,800
it's it's it's a terrible thing. There's cultests, there's doing witchcraft,

1039
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:35,960
black magic, the whole nine. Well, up until a few

1040
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,000
years ago, we were never able to really prove that

1041
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,639
any of that was happening. And then, funnily enough, fact,

1042
00:48:40,679 --> 00:48:42,280
you know, fast forward a few years later, we are

1043
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:47,760
the cultists out in the woods doing weird stuff. No,

1044
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:54,039
no sacrificing, you know, but no. But but I've often wondered, like.

1045
00:48:54,519 --> 00:48:56,679
Speaker 4: But it's one of those stigmas that when someone sees

1046
00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:00,599
someone doing something that's even remotely magic related or a

1047
00:49:00,679 --> 00:49:05,480
cult related. They automatically assume it's evil and yeah, satanic

1048
00:49:05,639 --> 00:49:10,239
evil and that. So it could also be a gross

1049
00:49:10,519 --> 00:49:14,880
exaggeration of someone who does practice magic in a proper

1050
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:19,800
and safe way. But it was very specific. That's when

1051
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,199
Bob first told me all this. It was a very

1052
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:28,599
specific scenario. Like it's not like a generality where they're like, oh,

1053
00:49:28,679 --> 00:49:31,239
there's there's evil people out in the world. Well, yeah,

1054
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,400
of course there's evil people out in the world. You

1055
00:49:33,559 --> 00:49:35,800
had the good and the bad. But this was a

1056
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:40,159
very specific area, specifically River Road, Like this was a

1057
00:49:40,159 --> 00:49:44,639
actual road that connects Piqua in Sydney, Ohio, and it

1058
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,239
is weird at night. I can see that from experience.

1059
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:51,360
But they had a specific stretch of the woods that

1060
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,519
was talked about too. With these it's like it's like

1061
00:49:54,599 --> 00:49:59,880
people had actually seen these horrible events happening and that

1062
00:50:00,119 --> 00:50:02,920
they were retelling it and warning children and who were

1063
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,440
growing up in this area, like this is happening, Like

1064
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:09,039
it was factual for all these like parents.

1065
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and again it is this just a gross oversimplification

1066
00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:18,079
of one person saw something and then the mob mentality.

1067
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,639
And when I say mob mentality, what I strongly recommend

1068
00:50:21,639 --> 00:50:25,159
people do if they haven't already. It's it's not the

1069
00:50:25,199 --> 00:50:28,119
most recent Halloween movie, but the one before I think

1070
00:50:28,159 --> 00:50:29,920
it's the second most recent one, where it's The Evil

1071
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:34,880
Dies Tonight, where quite literally this mob was created because

1072
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,639
one person was extremely upset they were taking along to

1073
00:50:37,679 --> 00:50:40,519
their own hands, and then they had this mass hysteria

1074
00:50:40,599 --> 00:50:44,239
generated very quickly because they said, we as a town

1075
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,239
are going to take over, We're going to kill Michael Myers.

1076
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,079
I've seen that happen in real life where literally, like

1077
00:50:50,079 --> 00:50:51,679
like I said, as a kid, there was never a

1078
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:53,880
problem staying at someone else's home, there's never a time

1079
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:57,119
going to visit new friends from school. Nothing, Then the

1080
00:50:57,199 --> 00:50:59,960
murders happened, all of a sudden, evils behind every doorstep,

1081
00:51:00,119 --> 00:51:02,159
and it's something that we're still seeing today, and I

1082
00:51:02,159 --> 00:51:05,480
think it's even it's weird because it's exacerbated more, but

1083
00:51:05,519 --> 00:51:09,840
it's it's way better hidden because of the online presence

1084
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:14,440
of creators. And it's a very interesting juxtaposition to find

1085
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:15,880
yourself in where you know, you have a show like

1086
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:19,840
ours where we discuss these things that the mundane person,

1087
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,599
the uninitiated may consider evil or demonic or what have you.

1088
00:51:23,679 --> 00:51:25,159
But when I when I hear about dog Man, I

1089
00:51:25,159 --> 00:51:28,039
don't think, okay, well that's that's a ward of satan.

1090
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:30,079
I think, oh, well that's as that might be something

1091
00:51:30,119 --> 00:51:32,719
we haven't discovered yet. This could be a creature or

1092
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:36,360
you know, an actual cryptosological creature that's just undiscovered. Or

1093
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:40,119
maybe it is something that's extra dimensional or ultra dimensional

1094
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:44,199
or extra terrestrial in nature. You know, you have these

1095
00:51:44,199 --> 00:51:46,880
different ways to think about these things. And kind of

1096
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,440
going back to Sydney a little bit, it was just weird.

1097
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,199
So we all have the same exact memory. But when

1098
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:53,960
some of these folks went ask their parents where they

1099
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,199
had heard it, they the parents knew about it, but

1100
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,679
they didn't know where they had initially heard it. And

1101
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,320
it's okay, is this just a you know, is it

1102
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,519
a sixty minutes thing? Because because during the Manson trials especially,

1103
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,800
you know, there there was this new wave of fear

1104
00:52:09,119 --> 00:52:12,559
that small town communities just didn't have before. And living

1105
00:52:12,559 --> 00:52:14,400
in Ohio, you know, like like I said, we we

1106
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,079
didn't lock our doors, we didn't have this fear, and

1107
00:52:17,119 --> 00:52:19,039
all of a sudden, I'm sorry, all of a sudden,

1108
00:52:19,079 --> 00:52:21,159
something happened so close to home. So then the fear

1109
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,800
was is it rationalized, does it realize, is it amplified

1110
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,280
that Brittany just said, or is it something else entirely?

1111
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,599
And where are these ultra specific things coming of this

1112
00:52:30,599 --> 00:52:33,320
one stretch of river Road. They're Satanists, they'll kidnap you,

1113
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,119
the whole line. And you know, I've gone as far

1114
00:52:36,199 --> 00:52:38,800
as reading you know, the Finders Cults research notes that

1115
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:42,440
had been submitted. So there were some sects supposedly in Ohio.

1116
00:52:43,039 --> 00:52:45,519
Nothing was even remote they were in Cincinnati. The coult

1117
00:52:45,559 --> 00:52:48,000
scene in Cincinnati was a lot bigger than folks actually realized,

1118
00:52:48,039 --> 00:52:50,000
but there was nothing in Sydney, which is an hour

1119
00:52:50,039 --> 00:52:52,239
and a half north. I was never able to really

1120
00:52:53,119 --> 00:52:56,719
lock down any singular this is for sure happening here.

1121
00:52:57,079 --> 00:52:59,440
And you know from what I hear now since we've moved,

1122
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,840
you know, Sydney is kind of fallen at a stage

1123
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:06,519
of disarray with the crime, but still no evil cult

1124
00:53:06,519 --> 00:53:09,960
to stuff kidnappings that are happening. There's some people wearing

1125
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,239
you know, robes in the woods, terrorizing a small town.

1126
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,440
And that's where I think the Satanic panic really was

1127
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:17,960
shown to me at a young age, and I kind

1128
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:21,159
of bottled that away until we met Marco Visconti, who

1129
00:53:21,199 --> 00:53:23,800
he wrote the Alista Crowley Manual and he discusses the

1130
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,800
Satanic Panic briefly. We had him on our show and

1131
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:28,480
I got to see the way that this is a

1132
00:53:28,519 --> 00:53:31,719
worldwide phenomenon, like it's it's not just here in the US.

1133
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:33,559
I mean he's over in the UK. I think he's

1134
00:53:33,599 --> 00:53:36,480
from Italy initially. Yeah, and he got to see this

1135
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,079
first hand through the OTO, which he was a member of,

1136
00:53:39,119 --> 00:53:41,800
and it was a very interesting, you know, conversation we

1137
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,440
had on that front. But it's just weird how interconnected

1138
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,400
we are as a species, even if we're not on

1139
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:51,280
the same you know, continent. Really, So that's my sheel

1140
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,599
off the Satanic Panic. Not everything's a demon. We need

1141
00:53:53,599 --> 00:53:55,480
to stop pretaining it, pretending it is. We also need

1142
00:53:55,519 --> 00:53:59,760
to stop circling dust on Facebook and saying it's an orb.

1143
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:02,719
I can't, I can't anymore. I had to throw that

1144
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:03,280
out there.

1145
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 4: You're just you're just putting all your heels that you

1146
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:07,559
die out there today.

1147
00:54:08,559 --> 00:54:12,280
Speaker 1: It's not just the orbs, it's literally Bigfoot, it's literally

1148
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,639
any type of cryptid. I just see red circles and paradolia.

1149
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, Now, admittedly, you know, we we did an episode,

1150
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,320
a random Nautica episode, and I we do a lot

1151
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,119
of interviews, so I apologize for you if we told

1152
00:54:24,159 --> 00:54:26,559
this story before. But we did a random Nautica episode

1153
00:54:26,559 --> 00:54:28,280
and all have Brittany tell the whole story. But we

1154
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,599
were accused quite a few different times of faking some

1155
00:54:31,639 --> 00:54:34,119
evidence from this story that we we had, and I'll

1156
00:54:34,119 --> 00:54:35,880
have Brittany kind of jump in and tell the story.

1157
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:41,079
But to your to your credit here, I that's the

1158
00:54:41,119 --> 00:54:43,079
love hate I have with me a podcast host, because

1159
00:54:43,119 --> 00:54:45,599
folks send me stuff pretty frequently. Hey Bob, what is this?

1160
00:54:45,599 --> 00:54:47,920
What kind of demon is this? Is this really mothman?

1161
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:52,360
I'm like, you didn't that's a streak on your windshields? Yeah,

1162
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,679
or you didn't manually focus your your camera properly. I'm sorry.

1163
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:58,639
And it reminds me there's this meme of this guy

1164
00:54:58,639 --> 00:55:01,360
who was extremely stone and he took a picture he

1165
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,800
had a banana on his dashboard and he posted on Facebook.

1166
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,800
It's like, holy shit, the moon is huge tonight because

1167
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,000
it was a reflection of the banana on the dashboard.

1168
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:11,920
That's what a lot of this reminds me of. Like,

1169
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,039
you know, there's a probably a very logical explanation of

1170
00:55:14,079 --> 00:55:16,079
either A. With the rise of AI, it's fake and

1171
00:55:16,119 --> 00:55:19,639
there are you know, I am a strong supporter of AI.

1172
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:23,519
I am as long as it's you know, proper regulated.

1173
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:28,039
It's in moderation. We're not using it to present new facts.

1174
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,760
But with AI getting as good as it is, we're

1175
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,280
not far away from another Patterson Gimlin film, you know,

1176
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:37,679
we're really not. And there's one gentleman I follow on TikTok,

1177
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,559
and I apologize for not knowing his name, but he

1178
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:42,920
has been he kind of way to manute play AI

1179
00:55:43,079 --> 00:55:45,480
in a way that looks fairly real. And he has

1180
00:55:45,559 --> 00:55:48,599
this this I think it's called Appalacha untold or apple

1181
00:55:48,639 --> 00:55:50,960
latcha after Dark untold. It's something along those lines on

1182
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,760
TikTok of all these creatures from Appalachia that he is

1183
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:56,840
using AI to bring to life. And there's a few

1184
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,800
of them that look if if you had just woken

1185
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:01,599
up in the morning and someone said you that link, like, oh,

1186
00:56:01,599 --> 00:56:03,480
that looks real. And then when you start to really

1187
00:56:03,639 --> 00:56:06,000
you know, analyze, okay, well that has three fingers and

1188
00:56:06,039 --> 00:56:08,599
this one doesn't make any sense at arms backwards? What

1189
00:56:08,599 --> 00:56:10,719
what have you you know, the typical AI tropes, but

1190
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,119
there's a handful of them that are like this is

1191
00:56:13,199 --> 00:56:16,280
pretty good, like this is this is pretty big, very good,

1192
00:56:16,639 --> 00:56:19,400
and you know, I often have to remind folks, this

1193
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:21,719
is the worst AI will ever be. And if it's

1194
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:23,800
already looking pretty good or pretty real, and these deep

1195
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,360
fakes are starting to pass. I mean, the Taylor Swift

1196
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,760
stuff in the politics lately was terrifying to see how

1197
00:56:30,119 --> 00:56:33,519
realistic that looked. We're not far off from you know,

1198
00:56:33,559 --> 00:56:36,199
a lot of these. Uh. I think our field is

1199
00:56:36,199 --> 00:56:39,440
going to hit a very strong wall here shortly of

1200
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:41,119
what's fake and what's real. But I want Brittany to

1201
00:56:41,119 --> 00:56:42,880
tell the random Nautica story because that's one that we

1202
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,599
got accused of faking. And I was there in person,

1203
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:47,360
I saw this, and I'll be able to tell my

1204
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,039
you know, the hill I dial with this one at

1205
00:56:50,079 --> 00:56:51,880
the end. But Brittany, please go ahead.

1206
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 4: Yeah. So Randon Nautica, just a brief brief summary of

1207
00:56:55,880 --> 00:57:00,599
it is basically this intention app where you don't really

1208
00:57:00,599 --> 00:57:03,760
input anything into it. You sit there for a second.

1209
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:07,320
It generates random coordinates it does have access to, like

1210
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:10,079
your location, and that's how it picks coordinates near you.

1211
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,199
But other than that, that's as far as I know,

1212
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:16,800
it's its only function is to generate coordinates. Now, I

1213
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:18,599
haven't had the app for a few years now, so

1214
00:57:18,639 --> 00:57:21,760
I don't know what updates they've made or anything like that.

1215
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:25,400
But at the time, it was basically a practice and

1216
00:57:25,519 --> 00:57:30,639
intention setting and you don't even tell there's no communication

1217
00:57:30,719 --> 00:57:32,960
between you and the app, Like if you're saying I

1218
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:36,199
want to see something blue, the app has no way

1219
00:57:36,199 --> 00:57:37,800
of knowing that that's what you want to see.

1220
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think it even says like to sit, meditate,

1221
00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:42,840
and I'm pretty sure even has like a noticing do

1222
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,639
not say it out loud, because that and issues a lot.

1223
00:57:45,679 --> 00:57:47,880
What a lot of people thought was happening was you

1224
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:49,920
were saying, Okay, well I want to see a red house,

1225
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:51,880
and it heard red house and that found something off

1226
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:54,079
Google Images. And I'm prety sure at least back then, there

1227
00:57:54,119 --> 00:57:56,079
was a precursor that was like, don't say it out loud,

1228
00:57:56,719 --> 00:57:58,000
think about what you want to see, and then I

1229
00:57:58,000 --> 00:57:59,360
think you have to hit a button and then.

1230
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 4: It'll be generating while you think about it. So the

1231
00:58:03,599 --> 00:58:06,599
absolutely job is just to give you coordinates. So we

1232
00:58:06,639 --> 00:58:09,400
had decided to make a video on it because kind

1233
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:13,199
of going back to the Satanic panic, there was a

1234
00:58:13,199 --> 00:58:15,400
lot of those aspects when it came to Randomnanica. A

1235
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:18,840
lot of people thought it was evil, had malicious intents.

1236
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:21,519
Speaker 3: There were a group did find some dead bodies.

1237
00:58:21,639 --> 00:58:23,679
Speaker 4: Correct, There was a group of kids, a group of

1238
00:58:23,679 --> 00:58:27,840
teenagers who who had found a couple of Jane Doe's

1239
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:31,239
at the time using the random Nannica app Now that

1240
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,800
the coordinates themselves didn't put them right at where the

1241
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,480
body was, but it was pretty close and it was

1242
00:58:37,599 --> 00:58:41,840
kind of on the way to where the coordinates were going. Now,

1243
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,920
the Cordins took h it took us to took us

1244
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:48,840
to a few different locations. One was in town, one

1245
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,480
was out of town. It was like this old abandoned schoolhouse.

1246
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:54,280
And then the last one it took us to was

1247
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:59,039
the Tip City golf course, the disc golf course Tipsity,

1248
00:58:59,119 --> 00:59:00,559
the disc golf.

1249
00:59:00,519 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 3: We have been corrected about this so many There is

1250
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,360
a difference between golf and disc golf.

1251
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,679
Speaker 4: I mean that there is a difference because the disc

1252
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:12,480
golf course. So these coordinates in particular in Ohio. So

1253
00:59:12,559 --> 00:59:17,400
in Ohio, there's not really like a vast forest in

1254
00:59:17,519 --> 00:59:19,559
most areas. I mean, if you go to Hawking Hills,

1255
00:59:19,599 --> 00:59:22,440
they have a pretty widespread of forest.

1256
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 3: But typically it's like.

1257
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 4: A rectangular spread of trees.

1258
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, in between fields. Yeah, you separate the properties. Yeah.

1259
00:59:33,519 --> 00:59:35,119
Now you will see some you know, some woods as

1260
00:59:35,119 --> 00:59:37,719
you're getting close to West Virginia or Kentucky. But even then,

1261
00:59:38,159 --> 00:59:40,760
actually when you're crossing into Kentucky, it's just Cincinnati. Yeah.

1262
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:44,159
You know, you see the best stadium in the continental US.

1263
00:59:44,159 --> 00:59:44,920
That's what you see before.

1264
00:59:46,559 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I knew that one was coming. But yeah,

1265
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:53,519
there's not like necessarily a vast stretch of woods like

1266
00:59:53,559 --> 00:59:57,639
there is, you know, an Appalachia, But in this particular

1267
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:01,239
stretch of Ohio, it's it's they're connected. Like there's no

1268
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:05,679
way a creature or something could run like straight through

1269
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:08,880
and just stay in the woods the whole time, if

1270
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:14,800
that makes sense. Okay, perfect. So the the Cordons himself

1271
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,000
were in the actual disc golf course and they were

1272
01:00:17,039 --> 01:00:21,599
in a similar stretch of woods. Now this was s

1273
01:00:21,599 --> 01:00:23,239
summer summer.

1274
01:00:23,519 --> 01:00:25,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was either late spring, early summer. Yeah.

1275
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, And the coordinates themselves were in that stretch of woods,

1276
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:33,119
like I said, and the thicket was very thick, I

1277
01:00:33,159 --> 01:00:36,800
mean briers all over your legs, like cutting you open

1278
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:40,920
if you're not careful. So we had gone through and

1279
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:43,400
we had kind of followed the disc golf course until

1280
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:46,920
we got like right across from where the coordinates were

1281
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,199
in the woods, and we actually had to traverse into

1282
01:00:49,199 --> 01:00:52,599
the woods. And we saw right as we entered into

1283
01:00:52,639 --> 01:00:55,599
the woods, we saw a couple of clothing items. I

1284
01:00:55,599 --> 01:00:56,880
think like a pair of panties.

1285
01:00:57,239 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a dirty underwear. Yeah, maybe a crop

1286
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:03,280
top or something. I think a bed sheet too. Yeah.

1287
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:04,760
And now for your listeners that are gonna go to

1288
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:06,880
the Tails mid Arch YouTube channel and find this. This

1289
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:10,000
was shot years ago on a Canon T seven I.

1290
01:01:10,079 --> 01:01:11,679
This is the only thing I will ever fault Tyler

1291
01:01:11,719 --> 01:01:13,360
Terry for was telling me to buy a Canon T

1292
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:15,920
seven I. I was pretty convinced it was a good video.

1293
01:01:16,079 --> 01:01:17,920
It was not a good video camera, Tyler, you knew

1294
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:19,480
it wasn't. You just want me to have the same

1295
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:22,039
camera as he did. So the video quote it is,

1296
01:01:22,119 --> 01:01:24,559
it is what I say. It's fine, it's it's it's

1297
01:01:24,599 --> 01:01:27,000
better than a cell phone, but not by much of

1298
01:01:27,039 --> 01:01:29,920
that time period. But please, Brittany continue.

1299
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:32,159
Speaker 4: So Bob was kind of cattiwollbus to me, but he

1300
01:01:32,199 --> 01:01:35,599
was ahead of me and he was holding the camera.

1301
01:01:35,719 --> 01:01:37,920
He was in front, so I wasn't like obscuring him

1302
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:43,119
or anything. And as we're walking through the briars, Bob

1303
01:01:43,719 --> 01:01:48,000
filmed something seemingly run through the woods, and I'll have

1304
01:01:48,119 --> 01:01:51,079
him kind of describe what he saw because he got

1305
01:01:51,119 --> 01:01:53,519
a better view of it than I did, because you know,

1306
01:01:53,559 --> 01:01:54,559
Bob was taller than me.

1307
01:01:54,719 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 3: So yeah, So when we arrived initially at the you know,

1308
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:59,079
the dirty panties and stuff like, oh, well, this is

1309
01:01:59,119 --> 01:02:01,800
our our because I think I think the the inspiration

1310
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:06,079
used with something ghostly, yeah, something along those lines. I'm like, oh, well,

1311
01:02:06,119 --> 01:02:08,559
you know that's pretty ghostly, you know, dirty panties. Sure, whatever,

1312
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:10,360
And then Brittany was like, well, no, we're not actually

1313
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:12,960
at the coordinates. And I'm like, eh, we're close enough,

1314
01:02:13,039 --> 01:02:14,760
and she's like, no, we're not actually at the coordinates.

1315
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,840
Like okay, well we'll go through. And like Brittany said,

1316
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:20,719
I'm kind of like walking through. I'm filming with one hand.

1317
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:22,760
This is before I knew what a gimbal was, let

1318
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:26,400
alone had a gimbal. So it's not the most stable

1319
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:30,719
footage when we're getting into this location. And to preface this,

1320
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:33,000
I'm six five. Back then, I was probably a little

1321
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:36,199
closer to six six. I've had some knee issues where

1322
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:39,280
my height's not what it once was, unfortunately. But you know,

1323
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:42,199
I'm about six five three forty three fifty. I'm a

1324
01:02:42,199 --> 01:02:46,199
pretty large individual. So I'm not accustomed, especially in the woods.

1325
01:02:46,199 --> 01:02:48,159
Like I said, I grew up hunting in this area,

1326
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:52,639
not in tipsity specifically, but in you know, yeah, that

1327
01:02:52,719 --> 01:02:55,639
general area. I'm not accustomed to see many things in

1328
01:02:56,199 --> 01:02:59,719
central Ohio that are larger than me in the woods.

1329
01:03:00,519 --> 01:03:03,800
And I saw something run by that was it was

1330
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:07,039
a black mass is really what I saw. But I

1331
01:03:07,119 --> 01:03:09,039
knew two things. I knew one thing, I was terrified,

1332
01:03:09,039 --> 01:03:14,320
and two it was larger than me and extremely fast, fat.

1333
01:03:14,559 --> 01:03:18,039
And again I've I've seen deer run. I've missed my

1334
01:03:18,159 --> 01:03:20,960
fair share of deer. I know what to look look

1335
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:23,159
like when they run. I do. And I have to

1336
01:03:23,159 --> 01:03:25,039
preface that next. Everyone who sees this videos as the same,

1337
01:03:25,039 --> 01:03:27,519
they could have been a deer. Well show me that deer,

1338
01:03:27,559 --> 01:03:29,599
because that's that's the trophy of all trophies. This is

1339
01:03:29,639 --> 01:03:32,599
a you know, we're talking a ten foot frickin deer

1340
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:35,440
walking around on a tind legs like it was massive.

1341
01:03:36,159 --> 01:03:37,840
This thing runs from the right side of me to

1342
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:39,960
the left side of me, and it's just gone, like

1343
01:03:40,039 --> 01:03:42,880
you blink, you miss it type of deal. And I

1344
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:45,840
took the footage because because I was so convinced, like,

1345
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:48,559
no one's gonna believe us, because we're I don't think

1346
01:03:48,559 --> 01:03:50,360
we had the podcast at that point. Now this is

1347
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:52,320
before the podcast. Yeah, I'm like, I'm an up and

1348
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:55,599
coming channel. I had like seven hundred subscribers at this point.

1349
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:58,679
Maybe I'm like, I'm covering, you know, weird case. I

1350
01:03:58,679 --> 01:04:01,440
think I can rely the Ohio tell me the history

1351
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:04,920
of wage of boards and a handful of small like

1352
01:04:05,239 --> 01:04:07,519
eight to ten minute UFO clips, you know, and some

1353
01:04:07,599 --> 01:04:09,880
internet arg stuff, and I'm like, I'm up becoming I

1354
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:14,119
have weird. No one's gonna believe this I captured on film.

1355
01:04:14,199 --> 01:04:16,360
This thing is huge, like I said, and did we did.

1356
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:19,199
Eventually we visit. We found a small, like nest looking area,

1357
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:22,320
perfectly circular. If you go far enough back in the

1358
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:24,679
tailsmand Dark facebook group, I'm sure the posts are still up.

1359
01:04:24,719 --> 01:04:27,639
I never deleted any of them, but this thing was huge,

1360
01:04:27,679 --> 01:04:29,880
and it would moved faster than anything I'd ever seen move.

1361
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:31,920
And when I say fast, I mean like you blink

1362
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:35,880
once or twice. It's it's literally gone thirty feet maybe further.

1363
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:39,559
And I have sent this footage out to several people

1364
01:04:39,559 --> 01:04:43,280
who were at the time studying design work to work

1365
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:46,400
on like television shows. The one thing I got back

1366
01:04:46,599 --> 01:04:49,639
was this thing moved so fast the camera berry barely

1367
01:04:49,679 --> 01:04:52,039
caught it frame by frame. And they also were able

1368
01:04:52,079 --> 01:04:53,559
to say it was not doctored. It was not edited

1369
01:04:53,559 --> 01:04:55,199
in any way, shape or form. And that was huge

1370
01:04:55,199 --> 01:04:57,039
for me because again I wasn't necessarily proving this to

1371
01:04:57,039 --> 01:05:00,360
anyone else, proving to myself like that I saw what

1372
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:03,360
I actually saw, and I'll let Britney kind of pick

1373
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:05,679
up what happens after we see this creature. But I

1374
01:05:05,719 --> 01:05:08,320
do want to tie it to in Lima, Ohio, which

1375
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:11,800
is about thirty five forty minutes north. If anyone's watched

1376
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:14,760
The Missing Form when the Hunted. At the very end,

1377
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:17,239
David Politis kind of ties the missing for one cases

1378
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:21,559
potentially and very loosely to this predator like creature was

1379
01:05:22,239 --> 01:05:26,280
the mirror Man. You know, it looks the camouflage like

1380
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:30,440
like a predator. And you know that happened like forty

1381
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:33,559
five minutes north. And I know you had Austin Lawrence

1382
01:05:33,559 --> 01:05:36,159
on the show. I think Austin's actually spoken to the

1383
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:38,239
woman or her husband. I think she worked at the

1384
01:05:38,239 --> 01:05:40,239
local school or something that Austin went to. But I

1385
01:05:40,239 --> 01:05:42,760
know he's very familiar with that case. But it was

1386
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:45,519
one of those things that we were It shocked me.

1387
01:05:45,559 --> 01:05:48,320
But I will remember the terror as long as I

1388
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:51,719
live because I was frozen, and I am kind of

1389
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:54,400
known for not being afraid in these situations. I'm very

1390
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:56,559
gung ho. I'll go into a cave two miles underground

1391
01:05:56,599 --> 01:05:59,000
on New Year's Evil. I'll do whatever. You know, We'll

1392
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:00,960
go hunting for coltas out out in summerset. We'll do.

1393
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:03,320
You know. I'm very game for a lot of stuff.

1394
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:06,519
But this middle of the daytime froze me in my tracks.

1395
01:06:06,519 --> 01:06:08,719
And when we had revisited it during the evening, I

1396
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:11,440
was I recall it, being extremely nervous of what if

1397
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:12,960
we walk up on this thing at night? What are

1398
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:14,800
we going to do? But I'll throw it back to Brittany,

1399
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:17,159
let her explain what happened after we saw this creature

1400
01:06:17,159 --> 01:06:21,280
because it makes it all synchronistic but also more unbelievable

1401
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:23,360
than what had happened up to this point.

1402
01:06:23,599 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, so, I mean, basically the creature had run. I

1403
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:31,400
didn't really I heard movement. I kind of feel like

1404
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:33,519
maybe I did see something, but for the most part

1405
01:06:33,559 --> 01:06:37,039
I was looking down trying not to get stuff by briars,

1406
01:06:37,639 --> 01:06:40,199
and Bob was frozen, and I think you even said, like,

1407
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:44,599
what the fuck was that? And you were just complete,

1408
01:06:44,679 --> 01:06:47,880
like I'd never seen you like that before. And once

1409
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:49,480
I kind of snapped you out of it, we kind

1410
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:52,159
of tried to follow its path and tried to recreate

1411
01:06:52,239 --> 01:06:57,199
where it ran, and we had visited the same exact

1412
01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:59,719
area a couple times afterwards. But yeah, there was like

1413
01:06:59,719 --> 01:07:04,800
a looking area of like damp leaves. For me, I'd

1414
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:06,800
watched that footage quite a bit, and I know that

1415
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:11,079
something Bob doesn't talk about often, but we we do.

1416
01:07:11,559 --> 01:07:13,960
We did take the footage also down to some good

1417
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:17,519
old boys down in apple Atcha in eastern Kentucky, and

1418
01:07:18,239 --> 01:07:20,239
there were a couple of contacts that we made with

1419
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:23,719
our extensive time we'd spent down there. They had hunted

1420
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:25,639
all their lives, spent a whole bunch of time in

1421
01:07:25,679 --> 01:07:28,159
the woods, I mean lived off the lands kind of thing.

1422
01:07:28,239 --> 01:07:30,400
Speaker 3: The one gen when we spoke to he literally owns

1423
01:07:30,519 --> 01:07:32,920
like several acres in the woods in Kentucky. He had

1424
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:37,480
told us his own grandfather's Bigfoot story. He's he's what

1425
01:07:37,519 --> 01:07:39,760
I call a skeptical believer, where he's like, I don't

1426
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:41,920
believe until I see it. Yeah, Bigfoot's real goblins are

1427
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:44,639
real ghost and real Apart from that, it's all nonsense.

1428
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:46,679
He's one of those kind of goal But those those

1429
01:07:46,679 --> 01:07:48,199
are the best kind of guys because they're gonna they're

1430
01:07:48,199 --> 01:07:51,039
going to approach everything with a very health rational and

1431
01:07:51,519 --> 01:07:54,760
a healthy level of skepticism, but also with a rational mindset.

1432
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:57,360
And yeah, yeah, so Brittany, we showed him the footage. Yeah,

1433
01:07:57,440 --> 01:07:59,960
so this is obviously after we had filmed it. There's

1434
01:08:00,039 --> 01:08:02,320
still some more stuff to the story. But we had

1435
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:05,480
taken that footage to him and his brother as well,

1436
01:08:05,599 --> 01:08:08,360
or cousin or something. They're two good old boys that

1437
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:12,280
we talked too frequently, and they had we took it

1438
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:14,960
on an iPad and we were we let them.

1439
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:18,039
Speaker 4: Like scrub through it, zoom in, uh, look at it.

1440
01:08:18,079 --> 01:08:20,159
And there was one thing that he saw that I

1441
01:08:20,239 --> 01:08:22,560
also saw, and I did not tell him about it.

1442
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:26,680
He pointed out himself. When I watched that footage, it's

1443
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:30,600
very hard to see. I could specifically make out what

1444
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:34,600
look like an elbow. There was a gatorade bottle that

1445
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:37,439
got flipped in the air like someone flicked their wrist,

1446
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:40,359
had it in like their thumb and their pointer finger

1447
01:08:41,079 --> 01:08:43,720
and flipped it up with their wrist as it took

1448
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:46,199
like whatever it was took off, and you can make

1449
01:08:46,239 --> 01:08:48,760
out the crease of an elbow, as if someone's pumping

1450
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:49,359
their arms.

1451
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:53,479
Speaker 3: Yeah. I will never forget that day in the vape

1452
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:57,479
store where these two gentlemen work, because Britney felt so

1453
01:08:57,640 --> 01:08:59,760
vindicated bey I did because I was being told I

1454
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:02,159
would it's crazy, and she had brought this up. I

1455
01:09:02,159 --> 01:09:04,920
think on the podcast later that something's pumping its armed.

1456
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:06,720
We're told no, and then he that's the first thing

1457
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:08,800
he points out, and he's like, well, it ain't a deer,

1458
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:10,039
And I said, how do you know. He's like, is

1459
01:09:10,039 --> 01:09:12,079
deers don't pump their arms when they run. And I

1460
01:09:12,079 --> 01:09:15,039
was like, fuck, okay.

1461
01:09:15,079 --> 01:09:17,600
Speaker 4: Well momb wasn't gasliny or anything. But you know, people

1462
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:21,359
who had seen the footage, uh, you know, I mean

1463
01:09:21,399 --> 01:09:24,319
that's with anything you release that you know not everyone's

1464
01:09:24,319 --> 01:09:25,960
going to agree with you. And that's totally okay, and

1465
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:30,720
that's necessary, especially if you want any kind of scientific

1466
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:34,560
movement on something as weird and crazy as high Strangeness.

1467
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:36,800
Speaker 3: Now, admittedly, the footage, if you're watching on a small

1468
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:39,119
phone screen, you can't see it. It's next to impossible

1469
01:09:39,119 --> 01:09:40,960
to see. So I think we even have a precursor,

1470
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:43,479
maybe it's a pencomic sayings like please watch this on

1471
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:46,840
an iPad or a computer screen, because you if you're

1472
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:49,439
watching on a phone, especially with the way that backlit

1473
01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:52,720
screens work, it's very hard to see. We did add

1474
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:57,199
you know, the stereotypical YouTuber circle, because I just you

1475
01:09:57,239 --> 01:09:58,760
blink and you miss it. Yeah. So it's one of

1476
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:01,279
those things I tell folks like, if you're gonna watch it,

1477
01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:04,520
please watch it on a large enough screen to see

1478
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:07,399
what we're talking about. Because we had a comment like

1479
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:10,039
two days ago saying, hey, stop pushing people to this BS,

1480
01:10:10,079 --> 01:10:12,159
there's nothing there. I've watched it six times. I don't

1481
01:10:12,159 --> 01:10:14,199
see a single thing. But then there's a comment like

1482
01:10:14,199 --> 01:10:16,000
two below. I'm like, I have no idea what that is.

1483
01:10:16,279 --> 01:10:18,039
I see what you're talking about this is terrifying.

1484
01:10:18,279 --> 01:10:21,880
Speaker 4: So yeah, and you know, if it was just footage,

1485
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:24,439
like if we hadn't seen anything with our own eyes,

1486
01:10:25,119 --> 01:10:27,399
this would be a completely different conversation. It would be

1487
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:30,640
something that would be most likely shocked up to you know,

1488
01:10:31,239 --> 01:10:33,920
just well, a weird glitch in the camera, because that's

1489
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:38,439
something Bob is very very familiar with. You know so

1490
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:41,479
much about that, especially because of the paranormal background that

1491
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:41,840
you have.

1492
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:44,920
Speaker 3: So yeah, well, I am kind of like a There

1493
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:48,119
are folks that listen to our show that hate sending

1494
01:10:48,159 --> 01:10:49,159
me stuff because I.

1495
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:51,199
Speaker 4: You are the residential debunker.

1496
01:10:51,279 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, because I've seen so many clips over the years.

1497
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:56,880
I've been to so many locations filming. I do know

1498
01:10:56,920 --> 01:10:59,239
what camera's do in the dark. I'm very familiar with it.

1499
01:10:59,239 --> 01:11:01,079
And I'm also familar with people that love to get

1500
01:11:01,279 --> 01:11:05,720
attention and validation through their clicks. So I'm very cautious

1501
01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:07,479
when someone sends to be a brand new clip, especially if

1502
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:10,479
they themselves did not film it. And this is one

1503
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:12,680
of those that we actually we went back and forth

1504
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:14,359
like or we're even going to put this up because

1505
01:11:14,399 --> 01:11:18,039
it's so unbelievable and it's so convenient that were these

1506
01:11:18,119 --> 01:11:20,119
up and coming people that are in the paranormal community

1507
01:11:20,119 --> 01:11:23,560
that you know, captured something ridiculous, but you know, thinking

1508
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:26,159
back on it now having several years in the film, like, yeah, well,

1509
01:11:27,159 --> 01:11:29,199
it's just like if you go to a dog park

1510
01:11:29,239 --> 01:11:31,199
every day, you're more likely to see a dog. Yep,

1511
01:11:31,239 --> 01:11:33,920
if you go to a supposedly haunted location over and

1512
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:37,000
over and over, you are more likely to capture something,

1513
01:11:37,079 --> 01:11:38,279
you know, unexplainable.

1514
01:11:39,279 --> 01:11:41,840
Speaker 4: Yeah. So the last part of that story is we

1515
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:45,119
went to the coordinates, which we're further in, funnily enough,

1516
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:49,039
where this thing kind of ran to was further in

1517
01:11:49,239 --> 01:11:54,399
we had tried to recreate. Bob had me stand exactly

1518
01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:57,279
where he was standing, and Bob tried to run through

1519
01:11:57,319 --> 01:12:02,600
the thicket. He could not. It was impossible. It was

1520
01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:06,399
very thick, untraversible, like if you were going in a

1521
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:06,880
high speed.

1522
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:08,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. That's also how we gauged how tall this thing

1523
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:11,119
was because I stood up exactly where it started running from,

1524
01:12:11,119 --> 01:12:14,159
and I'm like, oh, this thing is you know, like

1525
01:12:14,159 --> 01:12:16,720
I said, I'm six five, I would maybe be at

1526
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:19,560
its belly button. With how big this thing really, I

1527
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:20,239
mean it had to be.

1528
01:12:21,279 --> 01:12:25,560
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say that's quite that I'd say at least chess.

1529
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 3: Yeah. I Like that's how we we were able to

1530
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:30,560
determine how tall this thing was was by me standing

1531
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:32,239
exactly where it took off running from. And that's when

1532
01:12:32,239 --> 01:12:35,159
I'm like, oh, I looked. I think I looked up

1533
01:12:35,159 --> 01:12:37,640
like National Geographic, like how tall are deers on their

1534
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:39,880
hind legs? Okay, well this thing was taller than a

1535
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:41,640
deer on its hind legs. And there are no bear

1536
01:12:42,319 --> 01:12:43,399
in this part of Ohio.

1537
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:45,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, and a bear couldn't have gone that fast. But

1538
01:12:47,239 --> 01:12:49,640
we went to the coordinates, didn't really see anything weird

1539
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:51,479
at the coordinates. It was kind of more of an

1540
01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:55,439
open area and the woods, which was weird considering like

1541
01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:59,159
how much thicket we'd traverse to get to this. We

1542
01:12:59,359 --> 01:13:01,319
came out of the world and there were a couple

1543
01:13:01,359 --> 01:13:03,680
old men that we had ran into on the way in,

1544
01:13:04,399 --> 01:13:07,039
and so we kind of stopped to stopped him and said, hey,

1545
01:13:07,199 --> 01:13:10,319
you know, have you guys seen anything weird here? You know,

1546
01:13:10,399 --> 01:13:14,640
the typical line. And one old man just was not interested.

1547
01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:18,520
He was mad. I'm assuming he lost his disc golf

1548
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:21,119
and he just was like no and then went off.

1549
01:13:21,159 --> 01:13:23,720
But the other one was chatty, and the other one

1550
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:25,520
proceeds to tell us that there's been a couple of

1551
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:29,159
sidings a bigfoot around that area, and one of them,

1552
01:13:29,239 --> 01:13:33,279
in particular, there was a man he come, well, this

1553
01:13:33,359 --> 01:13:35,600
gentleman who we were talking to came to the disc

1554
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:39,119
golf course frequently, and on his way in there used

1555
01:13:39,159 --> 01:13:40,840
to be a man who would sit right on the

1556
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:46,319
bank across from the park area in a chair with

1557
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:49,479
a gun. Apparently I think he did say he sat

1558
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:50,760
with her with a shotgun, right I was.

1559
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:52,560
Speaker 3: A lawn chair with a shotgun like every day.

1560
01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:55,760
Speaker 4: And one of the days he kind of stopped and said, hey,

1561
01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:57,560
you know, what are you doing out here? And this

1562
01:13:57,640 --> 01:14:01,319
guy apparently told him that he had seen a bigfoot

1563
01:14:01,319 --> 01:14:03,960
out there at one point he was gonna stop him.

1564
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:05,119
He was going to catch him, and he was going

1565
01:14:05,199 --> 01:14:09,239
to stop him. So we thought that was super weird

1566
01:14:09,279 --> 01:14:12,439
considering what we had just seen, and we went home

1567
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:16,479
did research. I did some research on BFRO. Turns out

1568
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:20,319
there's three different cases that happened around that same area.

1569
01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:25,239
One of them was I believe like fifteen years before,

1570
01:14:25,399 --> 01:14:27,439
like during this time, so probably I think two thousand

1571
01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:31,239
and five. A woman and two small children were walking

1572
01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:34,079
right where you drive your car in, very close to

1573
01:14:34,079 --> 01:14:38,239
where the coordinates were, and Bigfoot came out and scared

1574
01:14:38,279 --> 01:14:40,640
her and her family and they had to run away.

1575
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:45,000
So there's a history there as well of this strange,

1576
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:48,880
strange creatures. And there's also a pretty major river that

1577
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:52,039
ran through directly through that disc golf course as well.

1578
01:14:52,159 --> 01:14:54,640
Speaker 3: So yeah, and for your listeners, you might not understand

1579
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:59,359
the importance of a river. I would challenge most people

1580
01:14:59,359 --> 01:15:03,199
when they look at the majority of like very high profile,

1581
01:15:04,079 --> 01:15:06,640
high strangeness cases where we can say ufo, we can

1582
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:08,760
say crypto, we can even say uh I string up

1583
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:12,479
paranormal cases, I would be willing to wager there's a

1584
01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:15,560
major river either extremely close or right on the property.

1585
01:15:15,399 --> 01:15:18,159
Speaker 4: Some kind of major body of water, and even even

1586
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:22,359
funny enough, large aqua force underneath the earth have also

1587
01:15:22,399 --> 01:15:26,680
been the underneath the top soil that has also been

1588
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:30,600
attributed to some cases of high strenges as well.

1589
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:34,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, water seems to be a conduit. Yeah yeah, I mean,

1590
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:36,520
you know, I know, we discussed Andrew Gold last time

1591
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:37,800
I was here, But I mean just look at the

1592
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:41,159
moth Maana Point Pleasant I mean, right on the Ohio River.

1593
01:15:41,319 --> 01:15:44,439
Speaker 3: The Ohio River Valley is rife with high strangess cases

1594
01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:46,399
where you're talking Ashley Kentucky all the way over to

1595
01:15:46,399 --> 01:15:49,720
Point Pleasant. But I know we're run out of time here,

1596
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:51,359
but I did want to bring up one funny thing

1597
01:15:51,359 --> 01:15:55,560
that happened to me relatively recently. So I'm sure a

1598
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:57,840
lot of your audience has watched the show Hellier and

1599
01:15:58,199 --> 01:16:00,000
the New Kirk State if they if you haven't, they

1600
01:16:00,079 --> 01:16:04,760
did an amazing deep dive into just the Kentucky weird

1601
01:16:05,119 --> 01:16:07,840
is the best way way to put it. And for me,

1602
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:10,680
that really like set us on the path we're on today.

1603
01:16:11,359 --> 01:16:14,119
Now now we've gone, you know, pretty pretty far astray

1604
01:16:14,119 --> 01:16:16,960
from Hellier. But one big thing in hell You're that

1605
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:18,640
they discussed was they thought that they had found the

1606
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:21,199
location of injured Gold's home, which, funnily enough, Brittay and

1607
01:16:21,239 --> 01:16:24,600
I had ran out a separate UH Instigator investigation and

1608
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:27,760
we we Andy Colevin, the gentleman who edited Flying Saucers

1609
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:29,520
with the Center of Your Mind, which is a collection

1610
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:31,760
of works by John Keel, who is famous for the

1611
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:36,760
Mothman sidings of Point Pleasant. Andy Colevid, I give us an.

1612
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:39,159
Speaker 4: Address to that we went to in the middle of

1613
01:16:39,159 --> 01:16:39,439
the night.

1614
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:42,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, we we just we just within an hour of talking.

1615
01:16:43,319 --> 01:16:44,880
This is word. I'm like, okay, we're going right now.

1616
01:16:45,239 --> 01:16:46,720
And so we just like up and left to find

1617
01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:50,039
Injured Colds home. But in Hellier they think that they found,

1618
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:53,239
you know, indured Cold's home. Based off the book Secret

1619
01:16:53,239 --> 01:16:56,600
Sideher the Youth Euphonauts, written by Alan Greenfield. Now, we've

1620
01:16:56,640 --> 01:17:00,560
been lucky enough to kind of befriend Alan as much

1621
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:04,279
as you can be lucky to befareen Alan Greenfield if

1622
01:17:04,279 --> 01:17:06,880
you're familiar with his work, if you're not, he is

1623
01:17:07,079 --> 01:17:10,039
the embodiment of the trickster element that we seem to

1624
01:17:10,159 --> 01:17:15,039
see throughout all of these high whether you're talking euphological

1625
01:17:15,359 --> 01:17:18,880
right down to these hauntings. This guy you can ask

1626
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:20,560
them for advice and I'll give it to you. But

1627
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:22,279
he's gonna give it to you in a string of

1628
01:17:22,359 --> 01:17:26,880
riddles and odd statements that you have decipher him. Yeah,

1629
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:28,800
and he'll never tell you if you're right or wrong.

1630
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:31,840
Speaker 4: But it has just Look, if you could see him

1631
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:33,399
face to face, he'd probably just look at you and

1632
01:17:33,399 --> 01:17:34,159
just shrug and be.

1633
01:17:34,119 --> 01:17:38,239
Speaker 3: Like, well maybe it could be, could be. Yeah, Alan's

1634
01:17:38,279 --> 01:17:40,960
a fantastic author. He's been, he's been if you have

1635
01:17:41,039 --> 01:17:43,119
had him on your show, I'd highly recommend reaching out

1636
01:17:43,159 --> 01:17:45,199
to him. He's been doing this since the sixties. I mean,

1637
01:17:45,239 --> 01:17:48,760
this guy is he's the real deal. He's an amazing,

1638
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:51,039
amazing figure in the magical community as well as just

1639
01:17:51,119 --> 01:17:55,960
the the UFO field. But they had used Alan's book

1640
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:58,199
to kind of decipher, you know, the wagon Wheel restaurant,

1641
01:17:58,239 --> 01:18:00,520
a bunch of other weird things. And I've always, for

1642
01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:03,840
some reason, even before we had gotten into doing investigations

1643
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:06,079
of our own, I had kind of thought, Man, I

1644
01:18:06,079 --> 01:18:08,640
don't think that Ashland is right now. Ashland, Kentucky is

1645
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:13,479
an extremely, extremely bizarre location. And when I say extremely bizarre,

1646
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:16,199
I mean it has the same feeling as point pleasant.

1647
01:18:16,239 --> 01:18:19,119
It feels like you're in a dream. You can tell live, Yeah,

1648
01:18:19,119 --> 01:18:21,720
you can tell that there's weird stuff happening here on

1649
01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:25,079
the regular. But the Wagon Bool restaurant, I was like, man,

1650
01:18:25,199 --> 01:18:28,720
I don't know about that whatever. And not too far

1651
01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:32,159
from Brittain and I live now, there's some mountains and

1652
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:34,880
we've been trying to go to this this this state

1653
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:38,159
park that has these mounds in it for literal months,

1654
01:18:38,239 --> 01:18:40,560
and every time we get there, they either just open

1655
01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:43,720
just closed, or the last of me went Google said

1656
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:45,279
they were open, but they had opened like like what

1657
01:18:45,359 --> 01:18:49,239
the week after. Yeah, and I had never really gone

1658
01:18:49,359 --> 01:18:52,520
past that location, past where these mounds are. They're paid

1659
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:55,520
attention to it. Yeah, there's an amazing barbecue place across

1660
01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:58,000
the streets. So you know, my brain goes to barbecue.

1661
01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:01,680
And this happen a little while ago that it happened

1662
01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:03,720
again while I was out that way for work. As

1663
01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:07,439
I'm rounding a corner, I happen to see this, this old,

1664
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:10,600
kind of decrepit restaurant right around the corner from these mounds.

1665
01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:14,319
So you know, mounds have a major historical and historical significance.

1666
01:19:14,359 --> 01:19:17,520
I apologize with high strangers in general. You know, things

1667
01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:20,000
weird things, weird lights in the sky happen around mounds.

1668
01:19:20,039 --> 01:19:23,800
It's a very weird phenomenon, to say the absolute least.

1669
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:26,600
And I think it's Tom Dudding has written a bunch

1670
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:29,680
of really good books about the mound doors. But as

1671
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:32,159
I'm heading that way for work, I round the corner

1672
01:19:32,239 --> 01:19:34,560
and I it's it's the nighttime, and I see the

1673
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:36,760
wagon Wheel restaurant, and I think Britney and I had

1674
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:40,680
found this previously, and we'd like, oh, that's crazy, and

1675
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:43,920
then we just never really did much. Yeah, it just

1676
01:19:44,119 --> 01:19:45,920
it's one of those things that you just you put

1677
01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:48,359
in the back of your brain like okay, whatever. And again,

1678
01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:50,359
you know they had used the wagon Mill restaurant in

1679
01:19:50,399 --> 01:19:52,319
Hell you're to kind of figure out where in dred

1680
01:19:52,359 --> 01:19:55,000
Cold's home was. And again we've been to Ashland. It

1681
01:19:55,039 --> 01:19:58,199
has never really sat right with me. And funnily enough,

1682
01:19:58,399 --> 01:20:01,199
here I am and you know, the whirl town in Kentucky,

1683
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:04,199
and I find the wagon wheel restaurant right next to

1684
01:20:05,239 --> 01:20:08,079
the biggest mounds in the area by far. I start

1685
01:20:08,079 --> 01:20:10,039
to do some research, talk to some of the locals. Okay,

1686
01:20:10,039 --> 01:20:14,039
well there's UFO phenomenon like crazy in this town. There's

1687
01:20:14,159 --> 01:20:17,159
haunted locations. There's a church that sounds eerily familiar to

1688
01:20:17,199 --> 01:20:20,119
the investigation the hell your crew is doing, you know,

1689
01:20:20,239 --> 01:20:24,079
like a block away from the Wagonweel restaurant. All the

1690
01:20:24,159 --> 01:20:28,119
signs kind of fit. And the intersection of the two rivers, yeah,

1691
01:20:28,319 --> 01:20:30,199
it intersects. I think it's the Ohio River in the

1692
01:20:30,199 --> 01:20:31,039
Mississippi River.

1693
01:20:31,119 --> 01:20:31,319
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1694
01:20:31,399 --> 01:20:34,199
Speaker 3: And again you have all these this this perfect trifecta

1695
01:20:34,279 --> 01:20:37,479
of nonsense for all the things that we love to

1696
01:20:37,479 --> 01:20:40,520
discuss in one central area. And that's why I tell

1697
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:42,359
a lot of folks. And my point of telling the

1698
01:20:42,399 --> 01:20:45,119
story is just because you've heard the history of something,

1699
01:20:45,399 --> 01:20:48,439
when there's a mystery involved, take the time to unpack

1700
01:20:48,439 --> 01:20:51,159
it yourself. If something doesn't seem right to you, your

1701
01:20:51,159 --> 01:20:53,439
intuition might be onto something, just take a second look,

1702
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:56,159
especially if you're if you're blessed enough, if you're in

1703
01:20:56,199 --> 01:20:58,279
a position that you can go and investigate these things yourself.

1704
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:02,279
Take the ten minutes, like go outside, try and find

1705
01:21:02,319 --> 01:21:05,039
this stuff on your own, and you'll find a real

1706
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:09,199
love and enjoyment for satisfying that need for one but

1707
01:21:09,279 --> 01:21:11,720
also doing it on your own and getting to actually

1708
01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:14,359
have that experience. So that's where I want to leave us. Like,

1709
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:15,640
I know, we probably want a little bit over on

1710
01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:17,880
our time, but that was an interesting thing for us,

1711
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:21,800
and that's something we're currently unpacking, you know. Funnily enough, mm.

1712
01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:24,640
Speaker 1: Hm, So I wanted to before we wrap it up,

1713
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:28,560
I'm going to go back to the thing prior, Like

1714
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:32,760
what you saw did you think it at first? Like

1715
01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:36,119
the crypti thing? Do you think it was a bigfoot?

1716
01:21:37,079 --> 01:21:39,600
Like if you had to say right here, right now, like,

1717
01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:41,520
would you think actually it was out there that you

1718
01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:42,239
caught on film?

1719
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:45,199
Speaker 4: I would say yes, and I think, well, I don't

1720
01:21:45,199 --> 01:21:48,399
know if your opinion has changed, because I'm more leaned

1721
01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:50,880
towards yes, and I think bobling towards no. But we

1722
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:54,680
also kind of like gaslight ourselves a little bit because

1723
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:59,760
like the the the community that was the Bigfoot researchers

1724
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:02,000
at the time, that we had reached out for help

1725
01:22:02,439 --> 01:22:05,800
because we genuinely wanted answers for that, for that footage.

1726
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:09,760
We wanted help. We wanted answers if anyone had seen

1727
01:22:09,800 --> 01:22:13,319
anything like that. A lot of people were very unkind,

1728
01:22:14,079 --> 01:22:17,199
and that was during the early times the Tales from

1729
01:22:17,199 --> 01:22:21,000
the Dark, So I would it's been a minute since

1730
01:22:21,039 --> 01:22:25,039
we had actually reopened that kind of investigation, but I

1731
01:22:25,079 --> 01:22:28,640
mean it was a bipedal looking creature, So if I

1732
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:31,279
had to classify, I would probably say, yeah.

1733
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:33,520
Speaker 3: See for me, if you asked me a year ago,

1734
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:35,520
I'd say, yep, bigfoot. And that's where that's where I

1735
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:37,720
would stop it. I would say that we captured something

1736
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:42,800
that we as of right now have not discovered. And

1737
01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:45,119
I would say and my problem was saying it's it's

1738
01:22:45,159 --> 01:22:48,720
a big foot, for example. Is our minds have been

1739
01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:53,079
opened up to so many other cryptids that really do

1740
01:22:53,239 --> 01:22:56,680
match this description. Now, if I had seen a hairy

1741
01:22:56,720 --> 01:22:59,199
ape like beast, you know, I would say bigfoot. But

1742
01:22:59,239 --> 01:23:03,319
the problem is I I didn't see the So you know,

1743
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:05,560
we're we next time on the show will discuss our

1744
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:07,840
time and hunting for the Ohio grass Band. You know,

1745
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:10,600
that's that's the Ohio Bigfoot that most folks's familiar with.

1746
01:23:11,239 --> 01:23:14,399
There was no sense. There was no you know, terrible smell,

1747
01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:18,880
no sulfur, no rotting flesh that was that was absent.

1748
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:22,760
But I'm trying especially hard now in twenty twenty four

1749
01:23:23,119 --> 01:23:24,840
to get away from putting these things in a box

1750
01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:26,479
because I think it's unhealthy and I think that that's

1751
01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:29,640
actually hindering research as a whole. And we're saying that

1752
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:32,520
this is definitely a big foot because you know, we

1753
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:35,680
found we saw what I thought was a deer many

1754
01:23:36,079 --> 01:23:40,079
by Loveland one day, this giant like Native American type

1755
01:23:40,119 --> 01:23:43,640
creature that I've only heard reference in Ohio folklore of

1756
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:49,720
no that was on our way to Tennessee to Nashville. Maybe.

1757
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:51,439
And this is the problem is we go to too

1758
01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:55,199
many places. We constantly are doing something. But yeah, we

1759
01:23:55,960 --> 01:23:57,520
went out one night, we tried to find the Loveland

1760
01:23:57,520 --> 01:23:59,560
Frogmen and we found a castle. It was that's a

1761
01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:01,840
whole other story for the next time we're on the show.

1762
01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:04,600
But I don't want to put it in a box,

1763
01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:07,159
but I will say that we saw something strange, and

1764
01:24:07,199 --> 01:24:08,920
we saw something that's right up ra ally. That's what

1765
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:12,279
I can say definitively. And again, it was bigger than me.

1766
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:15,279
That's not common for me to see in the woods.

1767
01:24:15,319 --> 01:24:18,079
And again this isn't common to see in general. You're

1768
01:24:18,119 --> 01:24:20,119
a very tall man. Usually when I see someone taller

1769
01:24:20,119 --> 01:24:21,600
than me, I'm like, oh, your knees hurt, you're gonna

1770
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:23,560
die soon. That's the first place that my brain does,

1771
01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:27,119
You're taller than me by like two inches. There's not

1772
01:24:27,159 --> 01:24:29,000
too many people I ever run into that are taller

1773
01:24:29,039 --> 01:24:31,640
than me, So yeah, exactly. But again, it's one of

1774
01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:34,800
those things like it isn't like a hyper mach you think, oh,

1775
01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:37,000
I'm such a big guy, but it's more of I'm

1776
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:40,279
a large individual, and something substantially larger than me and

1777
01:24:40,359 --> 01:24:43,000
way faster than I could ever hope to move, ran

1778
01:24:43,039 --> 01:24:46,039
in front of me. And you know, I like to think, Okay, well,

1779
01:24:46,039 --> 01:24:48,279
I'm just that intimidating that I can scare stuff that big.

1780
01:24:48,319 --> 01:24:50,239
It's probably more of just like, hey, you walked in

1781
01:24:50,279 --> 01:24:53,840
my house. Yeah, I mean, if someone walked into my house,

1782
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:56,439
that's my size, and I'm not expecting I'm gonna run

1783
01:24:56,439 --> 01:24:57,840
away to that's my first thing I'm gonna do is

1784
01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:01,760
I'm gonna run. But but yeah, so that's where I would land.

1785
01:25:01,760 --> 01:25:04,279
I would say, we definitely saw something that fits the

1786
01:25:04,319 --> 01:25:06,159
calendar what we discuss on our shows. But I don't

1787
01:25:06,199 --> 01:25:08,079
know that it was a bigfoot because I don't know

1788
01:25:08,159 --> 01:25:10,279
enough about bigfoot. Then you would think, after you know

1789
01:25:10,319 --> 01:25:12,600
this many years, several hundred episodes of our show, i'd

1790
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:14,920
be an expert. But we go back to no one's

1791
01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:17,119
an expert in the spiel and anything. I hate the

1792
01:25:17,159 --> 01:25:19,520
term expert because it's at the end of the day, like, Okay,

1793
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:22,640
you're an expert in bullshit. That's what it comes down to.

1794
01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:25,319
Speaker 1: That's the truth of it is. No one is an expert.

1795
01:25:25,359 --> 01:25:27,920
Everyone is an expert in their own mind. That's about it.

1796
01:25:28,640 --> 01:25:30,800
Speaker 3: We're all still students exactly.

1797
01:25:32,199 --> 01:25:34,800
Speaker 1: Well, guys, we can wrap this one up. So I

1798
01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:36,760
do want to say thanks again. For coming on here,

1799
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:39,720
but before we blows out, I would like for you

1800
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:41,720
to talk about the book one more time and where

1801
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:44,079
everyone can check you out at Yeah.

1802
01:25:44,119 --> 01:25:47,439
Speaker 4: Absolutely so. The book that just released on Tuesday is

1803
01:25:47,479 --> 01:25:52,640
The Tales from the Dark Black Widows is currently on Amazon.

1804
01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:55,319
You can get it for Kendall as well, so you

1805
01:25:55,399 --> 01:25:58,159
can either get a physical copy or read it digitally.

1806
01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:02,119
And yeah, I think it's thirteen ninety nine on Amazon,

1807
01:26:02,279 --> 01:26:05,359
so pretty pretty affordable. And we would love for you

1808
01:26:05,359 --> 01:26:07,600
guys to read it. And we put a lot of

1809
01:26:07,640 --> 01:26:13,920
effort into that season specifically, and I personally had a

1810
01:26:13,960 --> 01:26:18,439
lot of a lot of fascinating things that I learned

1811
01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:24,520
while writing for The Black Widows. And they're interesting ladies,

1812
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:26,680
I can tell you that for sure. But also if

1813
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:28,760
you do, if you do buy it, please leave us

1814
01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:31,840
a review. We would love to see you guys's thoughts

1815
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:35,119
and what you thought of everybody who joined us for

1816
01:26:35,199 --> 01:26:38,439
those cases and yeah.

1817
01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:40,640
Speaker 3: And for the actual podcast. We're on every major pod,

1818
01:26:41,119 --> 01:26:44,039
every major and most minor podcast platforms. Just search Tales

1819
01:26:44,079 --> 01:26:46,800
from the Dark, you know the four separate words there.

1820
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:49,760
We're also on Facebook. I highly recommend you guys joined

1821
01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:52,039
the Facebook group. It's just tails from the Dark. Over

1822
01:26:52,119 --> 01:26:54,319
on Facebook, it's your logo we do. We do a

1823
01:26:54,319 --> 01:26:57,960
lot of interaction with the audience, especially when we're doing investigations.

1824
01:26:57,960 --> 01:27:00,880
We want to get everyone's opinion because we love We

1825
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:02,399
do a lot of live streams now as well over

1826
01:27:02,479 --> 01:27:05,439
on TikTok. What I tell a lot of folks is

1827
01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:09,920
when it comes to research of high strangeness, you can't

1828
01:27:09,960 --> 01:27:11,680
get keep We're gonna get there a lot faster with

1829
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:13,239
the three thousand members we have in the group than

1830
01:27:13,279 --> 01:27:14,640
if Britney and I to sit down and trying through

1831
01:27:14,680 --> 01:27:15,800
this on our own our row. And so if you're

1832
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:19,119
interested in joining us for an investigation, join the Facebook group.

1833
01:27:19,159 --> 01:27:20,279
That's a number one way to do it. We have

1834
01:27:20,279 --> 01:27:22,479
a discord as well that we haven't updated in some time,

1835
01:27:22,520 --> 01:27:24,560
but there's still folks and that are still talking, sharing memes,

1836
01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:25,600
having a great time as well.

1837
01:27:26,920 --> 01:27:29,399
Speaker 1: Awesome. I'll make sure to include all that in the

1838
01:27:29,399 --> 01:27:33,119
show notes for anyone listening. But Bob and Brandan, it's

1839
01:27:33,119 --> 01:27:34,600
been a pleasure talking with you again. We'll have to

1840
01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:35,399
do it again here soon.

1841
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:37,439
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, any time you got time for us, you

1842
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:38,000
just let us know.

1843
01:27:38,319 --> 01:27:39,680
Speaker 4: Yes, thank you so much.

1844
01:27:39,880 --> 01:27:41,640
Speaker 1: Yep, not a problem. You guys have a good night,

1845
01:27:42,399 --> 01:27:50,600
Ye you too, And that's the show everyone. I really

1846
01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:53,239
hope you guys enjoyed the conversations. If you would like

1847
01:27:53,279 --> 01:27:55,760
to be a guest on tenfoil Tels, remember to send

1848
01:27:55,800 --> 01:27:58,680
an email to tenfoil Tales Podcast at gmail dot com

1849
01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:01,800
or go to the contact section of tenfoiltel dot com.

1850
01:28:01,960 --> 01:28:03,840
Just get your message to me. We'll get some schedule

1851
01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:06,880
for a future episode. And just remember the truth lies,

1852
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:09,479
and the stories we share, the connections we make, stay

1853
01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:12,239
curiously open minded. Thank you all for joining us on

1854
01:28:12,239 --> 01:28:15,479
this journey. And until next time, keep questioning, keep seeking,

1855
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:18,000
and keep exploring the unknown. Good Night, everyone.

1856
01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:19,680
Speaker 5: Seems on sounds and the headphones.

1857
01:28:20,239 --> 01:28:24,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's turns rock. Got a story about a cryptic creature.

1858
01:28:24,319 --> 01:28:29,800
Speaker 2: Let's take a walk, bigfoot up. Then they're out there

1859
01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:33,640
in the talk. But the truth is out there likingly

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as fuck. UFO sightings got the whole.

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Speaker 4: World show.

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Speaker 5: Conspiracies on phones like a story in the book me

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consol trying to.

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Speaker 3: Keep us by.

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Speaker 5: We're all gonna use the whole line in history. They

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don't want us to know the secrets sa Hi, since

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they will show Donna society. They keep us in chase,

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but send in times sounds to break the reins control.

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Trying to keep us fun. But I'm all before we're

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gonna use a mind.

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Speaker 1: In history.

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Speaker 5: It want us to know the secrets they hide since

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they will show Znada society. They keep us in chase.

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Been sand intom does sound to break the rains