Speaker 1: Hey guys, Hey guys.
Speaker 2: Look, Welcome to episode number what is it?
Speaker 1: I don't know? Sixteen.
Speaker 2: Welcome to episode number sixteen of a Strange Thing podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm Mike and I'm Often and we.
Speaker 2: Are your hosts for this strange podcast. Yeah, and we're
Speaker 2: feeling especially strange tonight. It's been rough. It's been a
Speaker 2: weird whole couple of weeks. Yeah, And actually it's been
Speaker 2: a weird summer.
Speaker 1: It's been a weird year before that.
Speaker 2: It's just been weird. It's been a.
Speaker 1: Teen was a weird year for our family. It is,
Speaker 1: it's been twenty twenty. It has been a weird year
Speaker 1: for the world.
Speaker 2: But you know, everybody I talk to say that it's
Speaker 2: been a weird thing for them and their family too.
Speaker 2: It's eighteen, it's a strange thing. Twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: No, I'm saying, like, twenty nineteen was weird for our family.
Speaker 1: It was, and then twenty twenty is just weird.
Speaker 2: It's a continuance of weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not weird for our family, oh it is,
Speaker 1: but it's also weird for everybody. It seems like.
Speaker 2: There's just a lot of weird things going on in
Speaker 2: the world. Yep, you know, everything from dust clouds that
Speaker 2: covering the continent to grasshoppers and locusts, swarms taking over areas,
Speaker 2: to earthquakes.
Speaker 1: And bars, clothing.
Speaker 2: And weather weirdness and face masks and all kinds of
Speaker 2: like viral fears.
Speaker 1: Yep, it's been weird. It's weird, weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we're glad you're here, and we want to
Speaker 2: today as you listen to this podcast, we want to
Speaker 2: spread a little joy, a little hope, a little cheer,
Speaker 2: even though it's like Christmas in July, guys kind of
Speaker 2: And I don't even know if I'm feeling it, but
Speaker 2: I'm so sick of feeling it that I'm gonna make
Speaker 2: myself feel it tonight. I'm gonna feel it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, feel that happiness.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be happy. Damn it, I'm gonna be so happy.
Speaker 2: I'm just not gonna be able to control myself. Woo woo.
Speaker 2: But anyway, now we got that out of the way.
Speaker 2: And if you're playing our drinking game, I said, but anyway,
Speaker 2: that's another thing we should add to our drinking game.
Speaker 2: If we say but anyway, or you hear the.
Speaker 1: Dogs bark, oh, yeah, every time you hear.
Speaker 2: The dogs bark. You get to drink an entire beer
Speaker 2: unless you don't want to drink anything alcoholic, and then
Speaker 2: you can drink an entire water or an entire soda
Speaker 2: because we do not want to encourage unresponsible drinking in
Speaker 2: any way, shape or form.
Speaker 1: There you go, There you go. That's our disclaimer disclaimer
Speaker 1: for the day.
Speaker 2: Your mom will be happy.
Speaker 1: If you want an idea of our mood. Right now,
Speaker 1: my dad's wearing a Saracha shirt. Yeah, we've got solely
Speaker 1: from the Monsters Inc. Plush toy. Boo from the Monsters Inc.
Speaker 1: Plush toy next to a box from Blade Runner the
Speaker 1: DVD compilation, a fishing reel above that is a mic
Speaker 1: from Monsters Inc. And a four legged Imperial Walker.
Speaker 2: You know, I gotta say, you're almost making me cry
Speaker 2: because it's stuff that brings me so joy.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just so silly. I know, I'm just.
Speaker 2: Kind of a weird guy and we like weird stuff.
Speaker 2: And it's all around us here in the office, and
Speaker 2: he's looking at my little shelves up there. And I
Speaker 2: did stuff for Monsters Inc. On video gaming when I
Speaker 2: was you know, doing that kind of stuff back in
Speaker 2: the day. And I don't know. I've always been kind
Speaker 2: of a weird guy, and I feel like I am
Speaker 2: so lucky and blessed to be able to do this
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. We don't make any money on this thing.
Speaker 2: We do this for fun. We don't want notoriety anymore
Speaker 2: than just we hope people enjoy it. And so I'm
Speaker 2: hoping people hang with us, you know, and realize we're
Speaker 2: not professionals. We're just we're hacks, but we're having fun.
Speaker 1: If you if you want a really good representation of
Speaker 1: how serious we take this, well, maybe not serious. We
Speaker 1: take it kind of serious.
Speaker 2: Some of some of it are very serious, like our
Speaker 2: strange acts of kindness that was a really cool episode.
Speaker 1: But how lighthearted we come into it is my dad's
Speaker 1: drinking whiskey and a Sarroger shirt next to a plastic
Speaker 1: corn on the cob that's half shucked painted bright gold.
Speaker 1: It was metallic paint.
Speaker 2: It's a corn hole trophy. It's a cornhole trophy. It's
Speaker 2: a great trophy like cornhole sometimes. But anyway, now we
Speaker 2: are way we're way down the corn hole.
Speaker 1: We are way down the corn hole.
Speaker 2: Let's pull out of the corn so let's get back
Speaker 2: on topic. We're talking about petroglyphs. We're talking about things
Speaker 2: that are written on rocks. And we did the strange
Speaker 2: rock kind of narrative because it is weird, and we
Speaker 2: went down and looked at a lot.
Speaker 1: Of these well not a lot, but well several several
Speaker 1: and in our immediate proximity.
Speaker 2: And I've been to several others that I did on
Speaker 2: my own before I was, you know, because you were
Speaker 2: busy with life and having a kidd stuff. So for
Speaker 2: those who listened to our previous episode, we were talking
Speaker 2: about a specific strange rock that was close to where
Speaker 2: we are geographically in southern Idaho, which was called Map Rock,
Speaker 2: and Map Rock it is believed to be one of
Speaker 2: the oldest, if not the oldest map in the world.
Speaker 1: Nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they estimate, and I say they it's archaeologists, people
Speaker 2: who study this kind of thing, have estimated that the
Speaker 2: petroglyphs on this rock could be up to twelve thousand
Speaker 2: years old.
Speaker 1: That's pretty darn old it is.
Speaker 2: And I've heard from a people on our Facebook page.
Speaker 2: I got a note from Marco who studies this stuff,
Speaker 2: and he says that's way off. Ooh, And they have
Speaker 2: scientific research papers that basically show that that's an impossibility
Speaker 2: for it to be that old. It's speculation on both
Speaker 2: sides because we weren't there. But I like to think
Speaker 2: of it being really old, because that's more strange. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so we're going to roll with that, and Marco's I
Speaker 2: thank you for your input because I like to be informed,
Speaker 2: and we're going to keep looking at that stuff.
Speaker 1: We see the logic and we choose to ignore it,
Speaker 1: not ignore it, but it stays in our cranial capacity,
Speaker 1: that cavern of cranial goodness is still pondering that information.
Speaker 1: You can't debate that it's not old.
Speaker 2: It's old.
Speaker 1: So we'll go with old.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, And like we kind of talked about
Speaker 2: last week, petroglyphs no matter where they're found, and they're
Speaker 2: found all across the Americas, South America, North America up
Speaker 2: into Canada. I mean, the whole continent is scattered with
Speaker 2: these strange petroglyphs. And what they are and why they
Speaker 2: were written has been a topic of debate among specialists
Speaker 2: for hundreds of years. And so we're a couple hacks
Speaker 2: and we're looking at it from a total hack perspective
Speaker 2: and not knowing much and we're relating it to things
Speaker 2: that we understand today, and it could be totally wrong,
Speaker 2: but yet it's fun.
Speaker 1: It might be totally wrong.
Speaker 2: It might be totally right, but you may be right.
Speaker 1: I may be crazy.
Speaker 2: I know you're crazy.
Speaker 1: I am.
Speaker 2: So we're looking at this with different eyes because we've
Speaker 2: never studied petroglyphs until we realize that there was this
Speaker 2: thing sitting down on the Snake River Canyon about thirty
Speaker 2: miles away that was very interesting and very strange. That
Speaker 2: was our genesis. That's where we started our consideration for
Speaker 2: this thing. So last episode we talked about these rocks
Speaker 2: that have been chiseled or scratched. Some people call them
Speaker 2: rock art, some people call them petroglyphs. They can be
Speaker 2: called whatever you want. But they've been there a heck
Speaker 2: of a long time, and we know that they were
Speaker 2: most likely carved by the indigenous people of those regions.
Speaker 2: All across the United States, there have been Native American
Speaker 2: tribes or Indian tribes that have inscribed on rocks for
Speaker 2: one reason or another and have created a very intricate
Speaker 2: catalog of symbols that can be found all across the world.
Speaker 2: It's not just here in the United States, it's in Hawaii,
Speaker 2: it's in Europe, it's in Ireland, it's all over the place,
Speaker 2: in Australia, in Africa. These things exist everywhere, and these things,
Speaker 2: some of them are contemporary with things from ancient history
Speaker 2: that we know of, like Babylon and Assyria and Egypt.
Speaker 2: They're contemporary, they've been they were taking place at the
Speaker 2: same time as far as our ability to date when
Speaker 2: these things happen. So it's fascinating because we hear a
Speaker 2: lot of Middle Eastern history and we see a lot
Speaker 2: of Middle Eastern you know, kneiform writings or Egyptian hieroglyphics. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's the word.
Speaker 1: It's funny that we were talking about this another podcast
Speaker 1: that I listened to, he just did the history of
Speaker 1: Egypt and all their mythology and stuff, not necessarily a history,
Speaker 1: but the mythology and kind of how the the geography
Speaker 1: ties into the mythology of the the god, the sphinx,
Speaker 1: the the mummification process, raw, you know all that stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's Dan Cummins Time podcast is super good. Great.
Speaker 2: We like that and I know tech we're not supposed
Speaker 2: to call out things, but we don't care because we're
Speaker 2: doing this for fun, and we love those guys. It
Speaker 2: doesn't matter if it's true crime and garage or or
Speaker 2: you know, pick your podcast, whatever it is. We're so
Speaker 2: thankful for those guys that we consider them pioneers and
Speaker 2: we love to be doing the things that they do well,
Speaker 2: even though maybe we're not doing it.
Speaker 1: I feel like there were even topics that this guy covered.
Speaker 1: He just talked about all this egyptology, and he covered
Speaker 1: some of the hieroglyphics and things that they might mean.
Speaker 1: And it's funny to even reference them now because I
Speaker 1: feel like what I learned is coming from from that.
Speaker 1: I feel kind of weird.
Speaker 2: We get on here like we know all this stuff.
Speaker 2: You know. Why we know is because we get on
Speaker 2: the trail of something and then we google it and
Speaker 2: we do some research, and then we think about it
Speaker 2: and we talk about it, and we go look at
Speaker 2: things and we try to apply our perspective to it.
Speaker 2: But it's not like we are wise or educated in
Speaker 2: the in all of these topics. It's because we do
Speaker 2: a little research and because we have such a great
Speaker 2: information plethora of information available on the Internet.
Speaker 1: I think our our goal as the podcast kind of
Speaker 1: originally is to be able to go do things and
Speaker 1: talk with people and kind of get their opinions, but
Speaker 1: recent circumstances has kind of limited that. So you've opened
Speaker 1: up kind of the Facebook talk page that we're going
Speaker 1: to get some stories in some opinions, but it's not
Speaker 1: going to be like when we went to Shishowon and
Speaker 1: the no that marine was telling us about grabbing police
Speaker 1: officers by the Gonads because they insulted his mom.
Speaker 2: And rock Lady was going to show us the entrance
Speaker 2: to the Hallow work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's not going to be quite that that was.
Speaker 2: An extra extra special but.
Speaker 1: Hopefully we can get on that.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: And I kind of like what this has forced us
Speaker 2: into Little Mareice, Yeah, because it's nice because we're still
Speaker 2: able to do those things. But at the same time,
Speaker 2: now we're digging a little deeper maybe than we would have,
Speaker 2: and so we're actually learning more. I feel like I'm
Speaker 2: learning more every time I do a topic about, you know,
Speaker 2: the local history or whatever, and I'm thankful for that.
Speaker 2: Even though maybe sometimes it can kind of derail where
Speaker 2: we're going on the strange scale, it still is something
Speaker 2: that's very interesting. I think it brings an added depth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does definitely bring some credibility to it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it almost highlights some of the more bizarre and
Speaker 1: strange things that we talk about. But we are off topic.
Speaker 2: We are again we do this, We've gone down a
Speaker 2: rabbit hole. But what we discovered in our research and
Speaker 2: looking around locally is that petroglyphs, these things are everywhere
Speaker 2: in the Snake River Plain, all the way from where
Speaker 2: we are here in outside of Boise, Idaho and Marsing, Idaho,
Speaker 2: all the way up through Idaho Falls and Pocatello and
Speaker 2: the far eastern side of the state, and then you
Speaker 2: go south down into Utah and New Mexico and Arizona
Speaker 2: and into California and Nevada. These petroglyphs aren't literally everywhere.
Speaker 2: One thing that's really cool about petroglyphs and that they
Speaker 2: are everywhere, is that they share a lot of commonalities.
Speaker 2: And tonight we want to get into a little bit
Speaker 2: of that. We're just going to touch on it and
Speaker 2: what their purpose was, if there was a purpose. Well,
Speaker 2: last episode you were talking about you Entertainment Mom and
Speaker 2: Dad show showing Indian decides that they're tired of their
Speaker 2: their teenager being smart mouthed and sends them outside with
Speaker 2: the younger boys and out of bored and they start
Speaker 2: scratching on rocks.
Speaker 1: And I think that's probably I'm not going to say
Speaker 1: it's all of them, but there has to be kids
Speaker 1: that were messing around and made these scratches on rocks
Speaker 1: that today are taking so serious.
Speaker 2: Or maybe they saw an elder of the tribe or
Speaker 2: a medicine man or some type of shaman figure do
Speaker 2: something and then they but they mimic that or they
Speaker 2: copy it.
Speaker 1: Okay, we've got Crayola markers, crans, we've got colored pencils,
Speaker 1: we've got paint water colors.
Speaker 2: Well, now you have everything electronic too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but and like paint program on the computer
Speaker 1: has been around forever, first Bueler's day.
Speaker 2: Off and on. Now little kids playing on little electronic.
Speaker 1: And they're painting and always and they've got felt and
Speaker 1: paper boards that you can color each square different color
Speaker 1: based on the number. You know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: Kids are always color and stuff drawn and sticks in
Speaker 1: the dirt making chalk on the sidewalk. So there's no
Speaker 1: way that every little petro Griff Petrick hippogriff.
Speaker 2: Petra glyph, petrick glyph. Yes, we're we're drinking a little whiskey.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's impacting this yet, But any slur
Speaker 2: you could blame on that.
Speaker 1: I don't think that that those are all serious. Like,
Speaker 1: there's gotta be some that are just kids messing around
Speaker 1: or even went around. Yeah, even adults, but mostly like
Speaker 1: to me, I just picture the insignificance and and it
Speaker 1: is important for kids to be creative, but the insignificance
Speaker 1: of a child just sitting there being goofy or even
Speaker 1: we see it and we're like, what do these lines mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Right, and we take it so serious. There's gotta be
Speaker 1: something or is so stupid.
Speaker 2: Or kind of like that. What if, like I mean
Speaker 2: what we're saying Native Americans didn't have a sense of humor.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm sure. So they could just be.
Speaker 2: Like chiseling like some funny cartoon on a rock. You know,
Speaker 2: we wouldn't know the difference. Yeah, but you know, maybe
Speaker 2: they were more special than that. I after doing some research,
Speaker 2: I actually think they are one of the other areas
Speaker 2: that are you know, famous for petroglyphs here in this region.
Speaker 2: Would be the area known as weeze Bar. Weeze Bar,
Speaker 2: weeze Bar all right. Now, it's southeast of Marsing where
Speaker 2: we were at looking at map Rock. But usually what
Speaker 2: you have to do is you have to go down
Speaker 2: along the Snake River and there's a dam that's owned
Speaker 2: by a hydroelectric company here in Idaho, and you have
Speaker 2: to go across their dam and then you hike about
Speaker 2: a mile a mile and a half back and out
Speaker 2: in the middle of this field are a bunch of rocks.
Speaker 2: They they're these boulders left over from the Great Bonneville
Speaker 2: Flood and they're kind of rolled up and they're round
Speaker 2: and like in Hagerman they call them watermelons, rock melons.
Speaker 2: It's the same kind of thing. Yeah, they're they're smoothed
Speaker 2: over because they were tumbled through, yeah, through this flood.
Speaker 2: And the Native American tribes that were in this area,
Speaker 2: which were the Shoshone tribes, how they started carving on
Speaker 2: these rocks at Weezebar. And you know, I don't think
Speaker 2: they're dated as old as map Rock was, but they're
Speaker 2: still the same kind of symbolism. They have squiggles, they
Speaker 2: have squirrels, they have circles with dots in the middle
Speaker 2: and then lines coming out, and you know, you look
Speaker 2: at these things and they're common. And then you can
Speaker 2: go and look at other petroglyphs all across the United
Speaker 2: States and you'll see those same kind of symbols.
Speaker 1: Some things that kind of translate all the way across.
Speaker 2: And that's kind of what we're going to talk a
Speaker 2: little bit about tonight.
Speaker 1: Well, I know what one of them means for sure.
Speaker 1: What you know the squiggles when you when you get
Speaker 1: a pan and and you're signing the receipt at the
Speaker 1: restaurant and you go up in the top left corner
Speaker 1: and you scribble. They're just checking to make sure that
Speaker 1: they're hammer and fizzle work. Oh yeah, just like let
Speaker 1: me get the ink flowing here, I'll put my circle
Speaker 1: with Okay.
Speaker 2: I wish I could get rid of that scribble up there,
Speaker 2: but I can't because if chisel yeah, well I don't
Speaker 2: know if that's quite accurate, but that's a really good idea.
Speaker 1: Yeah, test to make get the ink get that chisel
Speaker 1: hand working.
Speaker 2: Well, here's one thing I had because I've been thinking
Speaker 2: about it and I knew we were going to do
Speaker 2: this podcast. And I was thinking about what would be
Speaker 2: an equivalent of this today. Now, I'm a graphic artist.
Speaker 2: I work for a company, and part of what I
Speaker 2: do is design these things called icons. And the icons
Speaker 2: basically what they do they convey an idea without any
Speaker 2: kind of phonetic or spoken information. Right, So you see
Speaker 2: them and you get the understanding that they mean something
Speaker 2: without ever saying a word or you know, reading a
Speaker 2: written word.
Speaker 1: Like an emoji.
Speaker 2: An emoji is exactly the same thing, right, And I
Speaker 2: got thinking, maybe these rock petroglyphs are icons or emojis
Speaker 2: that was used to convey information, not written language like
Speaker 2: you know, Oh no, I totally think that, yeah, and
Speaker 2: not you know, different than what the you know, the
Speaker 2: Egyptians had, which was, you know, different ways of actually
Speaker 2: writing out things that meant words that people would think words.
Speaker 2: These icons speak beyond that, they go around it. It's
Speaker 2: like sign language. Yeah, So when you're doing sign language,
Speaker 2: you can spell out a b CD with your fingers
Speaker 2: and then you have to learn to spell and write,
Speaker 2: and then you can come up with the A word
Speaker 2: and that word will give you a meaning, or you
Speaker 2: can do something more primitive, like if you're thirsty and
Speaker 2: you want to drink of water, you make a symbol
Speaker 2: of holding the cup and you raise the glass up
Speaker 2: and go gulk and you basically conveyed in sign language drink. Right.
Speaker 1: I do that all the time. We have some coworkers
Speaker 1: that are like Bosnian or Russian, and they they're super
Speaker 1: nice people and they like to talk and hang out
Speaker 1: and they have some of the funnest sense of humor.
Speaker 1: But when I talk to them about important things, I'm
Speaker 1: always using gestures and pointing at things or like if
Speaker 1: it's a if I'm saying like, yeah, you set it
Speaker 1: down on a table, like put my hand on the table.
Speaker 1: I gotta like, I gotta make an extra effort.
Speaker 2: To because make sure they understand.
Speaker 1: So me being pissed off in my angry face as universal, right.
Speaker 1: Nobody from China is going to see me and be like,
Speaker 1: why why is his face red? He's happy, you know,
Speaker 1: but the scowl makes it universally angry.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: So these symbols can be taken universally if they are.
Speaker 2: Right, and they're just expressions made with your face, your arms,
Speaker 2: your hands, your legs. You know your body, and you
Speaker 2: know what's really interesting, if you study you know the
Speaker 2: Native American tribes and even through South America, You've got
Speaker 2: all of these common types of communication through nothing more
Speaker 2: than a sign language. And so they would make these
Speaker 2: gestures and they could communicate from the East coast to
Speaker 2: the West coast, from North America to South America. It's
Speaker 2: something that was going on and we know this. And
Speaker 2: the graphic equivalent of that is iconography. These icons, these
Speaker 2: petroglyphs could be an writing system of ideas and concept
Speaker 2: and words that do not need to have a phonetic
Speaker 2: kind of connection.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: And when I thought about that this the light bulb
Speaker 2: went on, and and I hadn't done any research yet.
Speaker 2: I was just thinking, what if these were like icons?
Speaker 2: Because my job I have to like create a set
Speaker 2: of icons that we can use for people to know
Speaker 2: to click on a button or this is a weblink
Speaker 2: or this is a video.
Speaker 1: Down this trail is Microsoft.
Speaker 2: Right, and so you know a mouth with a line
Speaker 2: thread that says no talking, mute button, mute button, or
Speaker 2: it could be this is you know, a speaker icon, Oh,
Speaker 2: you know, whatever it is. We've got our icon set
Speaker 2: and they're pretty universal.
Speaker 1: Like airplane mode on your phone exactly the airplane, right,
Speaker 1: you know what airplane is, so airplane mode. You can't
Speaker 1: have your phone on an airplane.
Speaker 2: And so you who speak English would understand it just
Speaker 2: as well as somebody who's Japanese who doesn't speak English.
Speaker 1: Who understand principle, who.
Speaker 2: Speaks any other kind of language on the planet. If
Speaker 2: they're aware of that icon, they don't need to say anything.
Speaker 2: They know they understand. And I thought, well, what if
Speaker 2: these symbols were like icons on rocks and they're communicating
Speaker 2: something to everybody else. We know, all these Indian tribes
Speaker 2: had different languages that they spoke, But if they could
Speaker 2: write something on a rock that would convey messages to
Speaker 2: somebody else that was familiar with the iconography or the ideogram,
Speaker 2: then they could do what we do with icons for
Speaker 2: this so called primitive people of four thousand years ago,
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, that is very very advanced.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, yeah, I use the same thing. And it's
Speaker 1: funny that we're talking about map rock, but on you
Speaker 1: saw my little hunting app. Right, I don't know if
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to say the name of the company on here.
Speaker 2: I think you could say it on X. The one
Speaker 2: do you use on X.
Speaker 1: Hey folks, Brandy Newburgh here he always does an on
Speaker 1: X thing. But yeah, on X hunt app that's what
Speaker 1: I use for hunting. It has little way points you
Speaker 1: can you can set and we're talking about map rock
Speaker 1: and all these symbols. You should see my page. It's
Speaker 1: either an X where I'm like, oh, this place looks cool,
Speaker 1: I'll just put a vague red X. And the other
Speaker 1: places I'm like, man, that place looks like it's got
Speaker 1: a like a drainage or like a water going through
Speaker 1: the Let's put a little water drop because to me,
Speaker 1: that means water. Water drop means water. I got I
Speaker 1: got a tent that means maybe like a camp. Here,
Speaker 1: I've got a picture of a truck or an ATV
Speaker 1: or a motorcycle saying this is where I parked my car,
Speaker 1: ATV or motorcycle. So you've got all these little icons,
Speaker 1: iconography or whatever that word you said, ideographic writing system.
Speaker 2: Geographic writing systems, yeah, ideograms, idio when they or ideograms yeah.
Speaker 1: But it's it's just an image that represents like a
Speaker 1: whole meaning, like a whole group of meaning.
Speaker 2: Even like so what scientists would call this is a
Speaker 2: language of the mind. Now, we're gonna let's let's jump
Speaker 2: into this a little intellectually here, because I love this
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. So what is a word? When you
Speaker 2: hear something and you hear language, what does it do
Speaker 2: inside your head? What is the communication that's going on?
Speaker 2: Do you think in words? Do you think in images?
Speaker 2: I mean, it's fun to think about. So if you
Speaker 2: see an icon and you see it, you understand what
Speaker 2: it is. But do you have to say the word
Speaker 2: in your mind to understand what it is? Or do
Speaker 2: you know what it is without the word?
Speaker 1: I think you know how everybody's like a neurologic pathways
Speaker 1: or whatever, and you can like retrain your mind to
Speaker 1: do different things. If you've had like PTSD or something,
Speaker 1: I think your mind's already got paths based on previous
Speaker 1: experiences that start when you're like my son's agent. He
Speaker 1: doesn't know a bottle is a bottle, but he knows
Speaker 1: that a bottle satisfies this feeling he has right that
Speaker 1: he doesn't know his hunger.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, and that's great because he's not capable
Speaker 2: of thinking in words yet.
Speaker 1: It's all conditioned responses.
Speaker 2: It's a language of the mind. It's it's an understanding
Speaker 2: intellectually of something that makes us understand a principle or concept,
Speaker 2: and it does not require words, and sometimes you can't
Speaker 2: even put words to it. Think of things like love.
Speaker 2: I mean, you can say the word love, and that
Speaker 2: can mean a million things to a million different people.
Speaker 2: That could mean a million things to different people. I
Speaker 2: guess that makes sense sense, But the actual emotion of
Speaker 2: love cannot be described distinctly in words, but you feel
Speaker 2: it instantly in the language of the mind, and the
Speaker 2: best that words can do is kind of help you
Speaker 2: trigger that. But they're totally independent because you'll do things
Speaker 2: out of love without ever saying, oh, because I love
Speaker 2: this person, I'm going to do that thing. It'll just
Speaker 2: be a reaction of that emotion. And so it's really
Speaker 2: interesting to see that these kind of communications actually are
Speaker 2: more effective and universal than phonetic language kinds of communication,
Speaker 2: because in phonetic or written languages, they are prone to
Speaker 2: misunderstandings and misinterpretations in different meanings true, where in a
Speaker 2: language of the mind you are getting the raw base
Speaker 2: information that means something. It's fascinating to me that sign
Speaker 2: language works that way, that iconography works that way, and
Speaker 2: possibly these ancient, primitive people with very limited understanding. We're
Speaker 2: actually doing something that was more communicative universally than what
Speaker 2: we have now in a phonetic language, even like is
Speaker 2: it Greek?
Speaker 1: Just using your example of love, is it Greek? Or
Speaker 1: like four different words for a gape and all those
Speaker 1: words different words for love, they kind of mean like
Speaker 1: brotherly or like you're a human and I love you
Speaker 1: in a way that is we have something in common.
Speaker 1: I love you as a eros. But yeah, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. There's even other languages that have tried
Speaker 1: to like separate these things, just using love as an example,
Speaker 1: but there's a different love between me and my sons,
Speaker 1: between me and my wife, between me and my dad,
Speaker 1: between me and my truck, between me and my.
Speaker 2: Bow and your friends, if you had any Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: it's fascinating. We could linger in here. We could do
Speaker 2: a whole episode on the strange meaning of words and
Speaker 2: concepts and ideas. But what we have in petroglyphs could
Speaker 2: be an iconographic idea graphic idiom kind of driven communication
Speaker 2: system of antiquity that conveyed information across people of different
Speaker 2: spoken languages across the entire planet.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's a lot of big words.
Speaker 2: Basically a universal system of communication independent of spoken language.
Speaker 1: No, I agree, I totally agree, and I like that idea,
Speaker 1: and I guess that's kind of how I pictured it anyway.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and isn't that it's weird. It's kind of
Speaker 2: like basic, but it's also like super rad super because
Speaker 2: it's like it's something we want to make things more complicated.
Speaker 2: It is simple.
Speaker 1: Linear logic, like it's everything's in a line. Everything's got
Speaker 1: to be word for word where you can't use your imagination.
Speaker 2: Right word for word instead of concept for concept exactly.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to get. Western perspective, Eastern perspective.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, which you know, shout out to Andrew. You
Speaker 2: harp on this all the time.
Speaker 1: Here's the point. Some people see a clock and know
Speaker 1: what time it is. They see numbers and they say, yes,
Speaker 1: it is this hour and this minute. And other people
Speaker 1: see the sun and say, I got a few hours
Speaker 1: until I need to go to bed, and other you know,
Speaker 1: they know their priorities and everything's kind of free flowing
Speaker 1: based on the things that are around them. And then
Speaker 1: over here the Roman intellectual logical, intellectual logical Westerner perspective. Greek,
Speaker 1: I guess I said Roman, but similar.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, Greco Roman.
Speaker 1: It's it's linear.
Speaker 2: It's like type of wrestling.
Speaker 1: Because it is six thirty. I have a meeting, but
Speaker 1: that wasn't around. There wasn't six thirty. There was suns
Speaker 1: about here. Better head over to lunchtime.
Speaker 2: The way that you see the world, the way that
Speaker 2: you explain the origination of things, is through the lens
Speaker 2: of that kind of culture. Now we're looking backward with
Speaker 2: lenses of the twenty first century. We're looking back and
Speaker 2: we're trying to look through you know, fifteenth fourteenth century.
Speaker 2: Maybe we're looking back and we're looking through two hundred
Speaker 2: BC goggles, two thousand BC goggles. How do we do that?
Speaker 1: And you can't. It's not really I don't think that's possible.
Speaker 1: Your perspective is going to be skewed.
Speaker 2: But a lot of these traditions have been carried through
Speaker 2: an idea. We get a hint. They were dependent on
Speaker 2: the constant or erratic nature of nature itself. So if
Speaker 2: they had a flood, if they had an earthquake, if
Speaker 2: they had a drought, if they had rain. All of
Speaker 2: these things became basically characters and their narrative for their
Speaker 2: understanding of their lives and their world around them.
Speaker 1: Not to bring up like the whole Egyptian culture again,
Speaker 1: but they had gods for everything from death to pour
Speaker 1: to potty, you know, like what I was just spending
Speaker 1: out some of the random things. But whatever they did, fertility, killing, death, life, food,
Speaker 1: every pleasure, everything had a like an image really that
Speaker 1: meant kind of represented or was the deity of that
Speaker 1: specific thing. And I don't know, I just picture that gets.
Speaker 1: Your natural go to is to take a thing, associate
Speaker 1: it with another thing.
Speaker 2: You explain it the best you can.
Speaker 1: And and two people who can't just you know, they're like, well,
Speaker 1: the water is falling from the sky. We know what
Speaker 1: water is, but why is the water in the sky?
Speaker 1: Is there more water? So why is there water here? Well,
Speaker 1: there must be something up there that's telling the water
Speaker 1: to come down. But instead it's like, well, actually, when
Speaker 1: water gets hot, it turns into a vapor and the
Speaker 1: vapor rises because the heat and the heat condenses in
Speaker 1: the air. They didn't that, they didn't know these things,
Speaker 1: so they just associated there must be a giant kitten
Speaker 1: in the sky peas d.
Speaker 2: It smells bad that that cries.
Speaker 1: Regularly or whatever in it either brings a flood or
Speaker 1: it brings more crops or drought or and they associate
Speaker 1: it with this important thing. But it's a scientific It is.
Speaker 2: Really interesting because there's this like a layering of understanding.
Speaker 2: And if you look at the mythologies of some of
Speaker 2: the Native American peoples from in we're looking back, you know,
Speaker 2: over thousands of years, and the narratives that they have
Speaker 2: sometimes are very similar to the narratives that we find
Speaker 2: in other cultures, whether they are Greek or they're Syrian,
Speaker 2: they have these commonalities. And as for instance, I was
Speaker 2: looking at the similarities of the narratives of the petroglyphs
Speaker 2: in southern Utah and there is a petroglyph down there
Speaker 2: that kind of has this narrative and it was interpreted
Speaker 2: by a guy named martineau Levan living Levan, and we'll
Speaker 2: talk a little bit about him in a minute, but basically,
Speaker 2: the interpretation of this petroglyph is that the creator, God
Speaker 2: of the universe created humans. Humans decided that they had
Speaker 2: the choice of going down one or two paths. One
Speaker 2: led to destruction, one led to eternal life. The ones
Speaker 2: that went down the path to eternal destruction, eventually made
Speaker 2: enough bad decisions that they were eternally damned. And the
Speaker 2: smart ones, the ones that believed in this eternal creator,
Speaker 2: went down a different path. And even some that were
Speaker 2: going down the wrong path eventually changed their direction and
Speaker 2: they came back to the right path. And then they
Speaker 2: joined this creator who was before and after forever. So
Speaker 2: he was the Alpha and the Omega, and there were
Speaker 2: two paths, and one kind of spirit came in and
Speaker 2: let a lot of people off in the wrong direction,
Speaker 2: and they went down the wrong path. They had the
Speaker 2: opportunity at a certain point when there was a branch
Speaker 2: that joined the two paths to jump back onto the
Speaker 2: correct path. They some chose not to, some chose to.
Speaker 2: The ones that chose not to went off to eternal destruction.
Speaker 2: The ones that chose to go back to the correct
Speaker 2: path went on to live with God forever. What does
Speaker 2: that sound like?
Speaker 1: It sounds like the Christian.
Speaker 2: It sounds very similar to a lot of the Middle
Speaker 2: Eastern kind of concepts of God and redemption and what
Speaker 2: the purpose and endpoint of life is. And it's really weird.
Speaker 2: So anyway, like I mentioned earlier, there was this young
Speaker 2: man who was born in nineteen thirty two. His name
Speaker 2: was Martin o'levan, and so he's born right in the
Speaker 2: middle of the Great Depression, and he lived in southern
Speaker 2: Utah and Cedar City and the Payute tribe had people
Speaker 2: that lived there as well, part of that tribe. And
Speaker 2: when he was ten years old, his parents died, don't
Speaker 2: I don't know how, but they died, and a Piute
Speaker 2: Indian man named Edric Bushhead.
Speaker 1: It's a strong name. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Apparently in this tribe they believed that an orphan was
Speaker 2: to be taken care of. So this member of the
Speaker 2: Piot tribe who happened to be he was in an
Speaker 2: accident and actually lost his arm at his shoulder, so
Speaker 2: he was he was handicapped.
Speaker 1: What's a what's a four eight sheepherders wagon?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he lived in a sheepherder's wagon. The sheepherders at
Speaker 2: that time would take the wagon out and they let
Speaker 2: the you know, the flocks graze. And that's what he
Speaker 2: had to live in. And so when or Martineau's dad
Speaker 2: and mom died and left him as an orphan, and
Speaker 2: probably in the nineteen forties, this guy, Adric bush it
Speaker 2: member of the Piute tribe basically adopted him and took
Speaker 2: him as his own and adopted him into the Piute tribe,
Speaker 2: and he started learning about that culture, and so he
Speaker 2: kind of had this unique perspective. And then after that
Speaker 2: he joined the military in the war and actually served
Speaker 2: on one of the teams that interpreted cryptographic messages. He
Speaker 2: was fascinated with the idea of different kinds of codes.
Speaker 2: And then after the war, he took that information and
Speaker 2: he started studying the petroglyph things that were in that
Speaker 2: area and was starting to wonder if maybe these things
Speaker 2: were more than just rock art. So he studied these
Speaker 2: things for over thirty five years and he started to
Speaker 2: develop Even though he had no formal scientific degree or training,
Speaker 2: he started picking up on these commonalities and realized that
Speaker 2: there were these things going on in these petroglyphs that
Speaker 2: had meanings in an idiographic way, that they were conveying
Speaker 2: deep information in an iconic way to anybody that knew
Speaker 2: how to read that iconic message. So anyway, this guy
Speaker 2: was very, very interested in this. He spent his whole
Speaker 2: life and he wrote a book about it, and people
Speaker 2: in the science field that were you know, pedigreed with
Speaker 2: multiple degrees from different universities kind of poo pooed his ideas.
Speaker 2: But because he was uniquely situated, because he knew that
Speaker 2: that culture so well, and because he studied so long
Speaker 2: and so hard, it really started to get a foothold.
Speaker 2: And what was going on is that people would go
Speaker 2: and they'd start recognizing these symbols and realizing that they
Speaker 2: meant certain things. And then they were discovering that they
Speaker 2: were accurate, that they were finding out the right information,
Speaker 2: and that they were telling the stories that made sense.
Speaker 2: So he'd see a symbol that meant something, and maybe
Speaker 2: that symbol meant go around this, go upwards, and then
Speaker 2: when you get to the top, go to the right,
Speaker 2: and there you will find another symbol. So he started
Speaker 2: going out and he would find those kind of symbols.
Speaker 2: He would follow those, he'd follow the path, he'd go
Speaker 2: and do what it said, and sure enough there would
Speaker 2: be another petroglyph with more information, and that petroglyph could
Speaker 2: be like an entire panel with all kinds of information
Speaker 2: like a story, or maybe it was another direction to
Speaker 2: go to another place. And like these light bulbs were
Speaker 2: going off, It's like wait, This is not just like
Speaker 2: some helter skelter kind of information that people out scratching
Speaker 2: the rocks. This is a very intricate form of communication
Speaker 2: for people knew how to read it, and it's debated,
Speaker 2: but it's pretty cool. This kind is a mind blower.
Speaker 2: And you go out on the you know, Google, and
Speaker 2: you google some of this stuff and you start seeing
Speaker 2: that there are a lot of people that are catching
Speaker 2: onto this and they're putting together these chains almost like
Speaker 2: a it's almost like a treasure map. It could be
Speaker 2: about maybe a war between two different tribes. It could
Speaker 2: be about maybe the battle with the Europeans. It could
Speaker 2: be something about, you know, don't make your camp here
Speaker 2: because there are floods. And so there's all this information
Speaker 2: being communicated on these angel petroglyphs. And when I started
Speaker 2: getting into this, I'm like, I got this weird tangle
Speaker 2: because that's it was like my idea that what if
Speaker 2: these are like icons, what if these are idiograms?
Speaker 1: It's definitely the same, and that's what it is.
Speaker 3: I mean, in.
Speaker 2: This guy's context, that's exactly what it is exactly. So
Speaker 2: you know, one word, I guess the show shown tribe
Speaker 2: or the pot tribe had to describe these rock writings,
Speaker 2: but they called them timpy pull up and I hope
Speaker 2: I'm pronouncing it right. But they have a name for
Speaker 2: these things. Yeah, they call it rock writing. They don't
Speaker 2: call it rock art like modern archaeologists do. There are
Speaker 2: a lot of archaeologists that are are just totally against this.
Speaker 2: They do not believe this. They think they were too primitive.
Speaker 2: They think this is just simple scratches because the people
Speaker 2: were just way too old to have that kind of
Speaker 2: sophistication they and what really blows their mind is that
Speaker 2: this is a communications system that spreads across the entire
Speaker 2: United States, if not the entire world in some way. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And that's a mind bore.
Speaker 1: If you think that they're so primitive that they can't
Speaker 1: come up with some system to convey information without verbal communication,
Speaker 1: then they should just go hunting. Yeah, because all you
Speaker 1: do is is read little iconography symbols on the ground
Speaker 1: and pay attention to all these different variables that mean
Speaker 1: things to you, that are just symbols basically of something
Speaker 1: that's been there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, that's all they're doing. It's the same exactly,
Speaker 2: it's the same thing. Why would we think that we
Speaker 2: are like the only ones intelligent enough to do this
Speaker 2: in modern day. Well, people have been doing this for
Speaker 2: thousands of years.
Speaker 1: You see, you see all the grasses laid down, and
Speaker 1: the whole area smells like elk like grass. They'll probably
Speaker 1: lay down here and sleep here. This is a betting area.
Speaker 1: This is where they sleep, which is where you're gonna
Speaker 1: shoot them. So why not mark that down as a way,
Speaker 1: you know, it's logic, And I don't think people's brains, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they've developed over time. I'm sure they're different. I bet
Speaker 1: you our brains are smaller now than they used to be.
Speaker 1: But they've always been reading signs, that's what you call
Speaker 1: it when you're hunting, reading sign and they literally lived
Speaker 1: off of hunting and gathering and finding and foraging.
Speaker 2: We've got a lot of pictures on our website you
Speaker 2: can look at and you'll see some of these, Like
Speaker 2: you have these spirals and they start in the center
Speaker 2: and then they kind of go out clockwise, they kind
Speaker 2: of rotate out and grow bigger and bigger, And kind
Speaker 2: of a common interpretation of that is that like that's
Speaker 2: like the universe almost, like if you're looking at the
Speaker 2: North Star and everything spins around the North Star. But
Speaker 2: what Levon said is that no, what you're looking at
Speaker 2: here is a very descriptive directional map on where you
Speaker 2: need to go to find the next bit of information.
Speaker 2: So if you see it start in the center and
Speaker 2: move clockwise like it's climbing out, then that means you
Speaker 2: need to climb up and then at some point that
Speaker 2: line will break and you'll get a straight line, maybe
Speaker 2: even a hook in it. And it's saying okay, when
Speaker 2: you get up to the top, go straight and then
Speaker 2: look and there'll be a dot there, and somewhere around
Speaker 2: where that dot is represented, you're going to find the
Speaker 2: next petroglyph that gives you more information. So if you
Speaker 2: know what to look for, you'll go to the spot
Speaker 2: where you'll finally end up at the panel petroglyph that
Speaker 2: has the information that they actually want you to understand.
Speaker 2: So these outlying petroglyphs that have like directional indications, they
Speaker 2: call them locator glyphs. That's kind of our word for them.
Speaker 2: The thing about them that he talked about is if
Speaker 2: they're not true, all you'd have to do is do
Speaker 2: it one or two times, and if you couldn't find
Speaker 2: where you were supposed to find more information. If it
Speaker 2: didn't work, then you would discount it, you would say
Speaker 2: this is not what it is. But what Levin said
Speaker 2: is that without fail, with zero inaccuracies, he followed that
Speaker 2: map indicator and found the next petroglyph, and then he
Speaker 2: spent years and years and years deciphering little subtleties of
Speaker 2: little attachments to those informational petroglyphs, those icons that meant
Speaker 2: even more information. He died I think in Gosh. I
Speaker 2: think it was in the nineteen nineties, but he spent
Speaker 2: his entire life recording his discoveries on this, and it's
Speaker 2: really really fascinating.
Speaker 1: It'd be kind of fun to try, Yeah, especially if
Speaker 1: there's paths and we could use something that's not our legs,
Speaker 1: like a motorcycle.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, and like the number of circles around the
Speaker 2: center of the spiral, that's how the distance.
Speaker 1: That kind of represents like how high up or something.
Speaker 2: Or how far? Yeah, how far? And you can go
Speaker 2: if you go up and it's clock UIs and that's
Speaker 2: up and the other way then it's down. So yeah,
Speaker 2: and it doesn't mean like going spirals down. It means
Speaker 2: go down and then you're gonna head off this direction
Speaker 2: and at the point where the dot is you can
Speaker 2: expect to find something else.
Speaker 1: Crazy. It's like a treasure map kind.
Speaker 2: Of, but there's no The treasure is the information on
Speaker 2: the panel at the end. Yeah, so this, I mean
Speaker 2: when I started doing this, I wanted to find more.
Speaker 2: I think I'm going to try to find it and
Speaker 2: buy this book. It's called The Rocks Begin to Speak,
Speaker 2: and there are first edition, second edition, I think a
Speaker 2: third edition, but anyway, you can find it on Amazon.
Speaker 2: They're a little bit pricey because there are not tons
Speaker 2: of them in print, but if you want to find it,
Speaker 2: it's called The Rocks Begin to Speak.
Speaker 1: It's called Spank Spanky Rocks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's called The Rocks Again to Spank Bottom, The
Speaker 2: Rocks Begin to Speak. Anyway, it details his journey and
Speaker 2: his life is fat. You can get online google him.
Speaker 2: You'll find all kinds of information. He had a fascinating life.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know how much deeper we want
Speaker 2: to go into this, because we're getting to the point
Speaker 2: now we're starting to to scratch the surface on what
Speaker 2: some of the possibilities, right, Yeah, totally good petroglyph, petri
Speaker 2: pictographs for pain, and pick your.
Speaker 4: Grap rock scratch, rock scratch, Yeah, okay, pe Yes, we're
Speaker 4: gonna start talking about not only the communication of a
Speaker 4: very elaborate iconographic system, idea, ideological, or what.
Speaker 2: There's another word.
Speaker 1: There. It's weird.
Speaker 2: All these things kind of sound the same. We're not scientists,
Speaker 2: so we don't use them every day. You got ideograms, ideographic, iconic, iconography,
Speaker 2: you got all these words that kind of mean the
Speaker 2: same thing. And when you discover that this stuff is
Speaker 2: kind of that stuff, it starts getting kind of exciting,
Speaker 2: and then you start throwing in some other things we
Speaker 2: know about these Native American tribes and their mythologies and
Speaker 2: their religions, and then we're starting to get into something
Speaker 2: that's a little bit deeper, and some of these iconographic
Speaker 2: idiograms are representative of their religious and mystical belief systems
Speaker 2: that include all of these very strange things. And that's
Speaker 2: where we're going to go on the next episode. We're
Speaker 2: gonna go down that rabbit hole, and that's gonna be
Speaker 2: really fun. I mean, this is fun. Who'd have thought,
Speaker 2: thinking about stupid rocks out in the field that you
Speaker 2: would start, you know, unraveling a mystery. It's like you're
Speaker 2: unwrapping these ideas and concepts that you never even knew
Speaker 2: were there, and you maybe have even seen a around
Speaker 2: all over the place.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's say you come up with a really
Speaker 1: visual system and you just kind of look at a petroglyph.
Speaker 2: Petrick, griff, petro glyph.
Speaker 1: Glyph, glyph. I had it right. I don't know why
Speaker 1: I want to say griff.
Speaker 2: Remember petro rock, petrick, Peter small rock, and glyph meaning
Speaker 2: to scratch at your chi.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I would never be like, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: just glyphing.
Speaker 2: But we're glyphing in this podcast.
Speaker 1: Let's just say you take like a very visual a
Speaker 1: system to look at petroc glyphs.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you just walk up to.
Speaker 1: It, You look at a specific thing and then that representation,
Speaker 1: you know, whatever that makes you kind of think of first.
Speaker 1: Is your translation right? It would probably be if you
Speaker 1: went that route, you didn't really have a system as
Speaker 1: much as you just went with your first instinct, you'd
Speaker 1: probably be pretty close to what they were thinking. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, let's say you see a four legged stick
Speaker 1: figure with sticks coming out of its head, dear elk Moose.
Speaker 1: I don't know what else you'd think of it. As
Speaker 1: you know, you're not gonna say a guy on all
Speaker 1: fours with sticks tied to his four That doesn't make
Speaker 1: any sense. So you're kind of you're gonna make these leaps.
Speaker 1: And if you were to just go to these places
Speaker 1: look at these things like in the future. I've seen
Speaker 1: some of these petroglyphs that are on some of these
Speaker 1: rocks that we're gonna talk about later, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: if you just go with the first thing that comes
Speaker 1: to your head after seeing y, it's going to be
Speaker 1: you're gonna be messed up.
Speaker 2: It's true, it's well. And here's another thing, you know,
Speaker 2: kind of down that line. Because we're in a Western culture,
Speaker 2: we read from left to right mm hmm. So when
Speaker 2: we see an image, we naturally go from left to right. Now,
Speaker 2: if you're in some Eastern culture, you go right.
Speaker 1: To left, top to bottom.
Speaker 2: So what do you do in a Native American culture
Speaker 2: of two three four thousand years ago?
Speaker 1: Whatever feels right.
Speaker 2: And that's really close because there is no specific way
Speaker 2: to read it. You read the hole.
Speaker 1: That's like I was saying, it's not linear it's not linear.
Speaker 1: It can't be linear, and there are.
Speaker 2: Clumps of information, and maybe the more dense the clumps
Speaker 2: are the more important waiting factors of that image. So
Speaker 2: it's very fascinating and I don't know. We're going to
Speaker 2: get in more detail on this stuff, and we're going
Speaker 2: to do more research over the next couple of weeks
Speaker 2: to try to make sure we're you know, we're trying
Speaker 2: to be accurate, and some of this stuff is definitely debatable,
Speaker 2: and like we said anything, but I hope you will
Speaker 2: continue to join us in this journey and maybe we're
Speaker 2: doing some legwork that you don't have the time or
Speaker 2: desire to necessarily do, but still have an itch to know,
Speaker 2: and hopefully we'll be able to scratch a few of
Speaker 2: your itches.
Speaker 1: I don't want to scratch anybody thatches with this toilet
Speaker 1: paper going on.
Speaker 2: This is true and not with literal fingers. Oh yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're gonna s.
Speaker 1: So you're saying scratching somebody's itch would kind of be
Speaker 1: like a representation of what we plan on doing, like
Speaker 1: an idiot greet.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I could draw a f you're scratching. So yeah,
Speaker 2: so there you go.
Speaker 1: Anyway. Yeah, I feel embarrassed saying.
Speaker 2: That I kind of do. I feel dirty.
Speaker 1: I feel dirty.
Speaker 2: I feel dirty.
Speaker 1: You need to wash my hands.
Speaker 2: I need to go shower. I haven't charred for like
Speaker 2: a day and a half.
Speaker 1: Gross, I know I can tell you I got this
Speaker 1: new soap Cypress and cedar.
Speaker 2: Oh is that that man soap stuff?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: I want to squatch squatch tell him the sad news.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, do it.
Speaker 1: In a a visual, so like, make make pictures with
Speaker 1: the words.
Speaker 2: I won't mean you okay, So imagine in your mind
Speaker 2: Sadsquatch walking in the woods, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: a giant circle enveloped said Scotsquatch clash question Scotch watch
Speaker 2: big fund, and then out of nowhere, a line strikes
Speaker 2: forth through said sasquatch, a giant knots clusters, which means
Speaker 2: Squatch Con twenty twenty in boise Ido has been canceled
Speaker 2: this year.
Speaker 1: I would do Sasquatch crying one single tear, like I
Speaker 1: hate it when people litter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, oh yeah.
Speaker 1: And he's got a coronavirus mascot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we gotta combine everything good.
Speaker 1: Sasquatch is sad, sad Squatch because sad squatch that looks
Speaker 1: like a teacher. Sasquatch is sad because coronavirus cancel.
Speaker 2: That's call it sasquatch and a mask with the tears,
Speaker 2: and we'll call it sad squatch. But yes, Squatch Con
Speaker 2: twenty twenty has been canceled in boise Ido. We were
Speaker 2: looking forward to being there this year and we were
Speaker 2: gonna have some merch that we were gonna like sell
Speaker 2: and give away and and just talk to people about weird,
Speaker 2: strange things. And it's not gonna happen this year, but
Speaker 2: it'll happen next year.
Speaker 1: It will happen, and that'll give us time to kind
Speaker 1: of get our prepare duck in a row to paint
Speaker 1: a picture for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, ducks in a row.
Speaker 1: This topic of rocks is boring his heck okay, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: If you if you were just talking about rock, ye okay.
Speaker 1: So people are like, oh, I'm going to watch a
Speaker 1: Discovery Channel episode about rocks with scratches on them. That's
Speaker 1: I wouldn't watch that, what if they had rock? I'm
Speaker 1: just telling you sure, I'm in charge here.
Speaker 2: How about an icon of Bigfoot on a.
Speaker 4: Rock because there you're if you're just backing up, I'm
Speaker 4: drinking my beer while you talk.
Speaker 1: Go yeah, I think you're seriously making that in the way.
Speaker 1: But if you were to, if you were to, I
Speaker 1: can't think with that awful rackets.
Speaker 2: Okay, I got three drinks. That's all I needed.
Speaker 1: Go okay. So the whole idea of like studying the
Speaker 1: rocks with scratches on them is not super entertaining to
Speaker 1: most people, right.
Speaker 2: I can't understand how that's a possibility.
Speaker 1: But go on, if you were like, you know, here,
Speaker 1: we have a rock with three scratches. Nobody's gonna watch
Speaker 1: that Discovery Channel episode. But if you were to give
Speaker 1: them a teaser and you use your words to represent
Speaker 1: what might be down the line on your rock, you
Speaker 1: paint you scratched me a rock with your words. I'm
Speaker 1: a rock scratcher of what might be dwelling in the
Speaker 1: future of our petroglyph endeavor.
Speaker 2: So you're asking me to use words to describe what
Speaker 2: we might be talking about in the future in a
Speaker 2: way that's not phonetically driven but more visually driven.
Speaker 1: Don't don't worry about being linear, but maybe just go
Speaker 1: all like a visual get rid of your western mind
Speaker 1: and just embrace the Eastern mindset.
Speaker 2: I was visualizing something to like hook people to come
Speaker 2: back and listen to our next episode. I would see
Speaker 2: giant pedagraphic elements and strange looking creatures appearing to descend
Speaker 2: from the nether regions high above or potentially through portals.
Speaker 2: Is that what you were thinking of?
Speaker 3: Was?
Speaker 1: I was in there.
Speaker 2: I was in the zone and my eyes closed, I
Speaker 2: was thinking about it. I was totally seen it in
Speaker 2: my head.
Speaker 1: Anyway, your voice and your eyes closed, change your pleasant smile,
Speaker 1: of tranquility of body experience.
Speaker 2: I did kind of feel euphoria.
Speaker 1: He took a rip off some baote. He was just
Speaker 1: up in the another regions.
Speaker 2: Anyway, Yes, there are fun things coming, and we're going
Speaker 2: to go into some strange lands with this. And you
Speaker 2: know what's really weird about it is we're going to
Speaker 2: go places where we've kind of already touched on before.
Speaker 1: We've already touched those places.
Speaker 2: We scratched that itch. Okay, we must stop. It's getting late.
Speaker 2: We've had a couple to drink, and now it's time
Speaker 2: to go to bed. But anyway, I wanted to just
Speaker 2: say thank you for those that have been patronizing us
Speaker 2: by listening to our podcast, please continue to do so,
Speaker 2: and you know, share us if you like us at all,
Speaker 2: you know, go ahead and share us to your friends,
Speaker 2: and we'll try to keep it light hearted. We're trying
Speaker 2: to be open. We don't want to be We don't
Speaker 2: want to be those people that have, like you know,
Speaker 2: secret knowledge that we're to keep away and that people
Speaker 2: have to have a special extra equtions to.
Speaker 1: Good word to describe us as.
Speaker 2: Goobers goobers, but we're but we're honest, open goobers.
Speaker 1: I think goobers are too hon us sometimes maybe.
Speaker 2: And that might hurt us in the long run. But
Speaker 2: just enjoy the ride, yep, and hopefully we'll be taking
Speaker 2: you with us on strange adventures in the near future.
Speaker 2: We've got the new ramp for the box van and
Speaker 2: the motorcycles can now be loaded. I think we need
Speaker 2: to add a couple tie down straps and that's about it,
Speaker 2: and we're going to be out looking at a couple
Speaker 2: of these locations. A few of the locations if you
Speaker 2: want to do a little research, look at the Bennett
Speaker 2: Hills in southern Idaho around Gooding. There are a lot
Speaker 2: of Petrocliffs over there, and it's a fascinating place. You
Speaker 2: can look at the other spot that we said, what
Speaker 2: did I call that? It's a weird I want to
Speaker 2: say Warby's, but it's not.
Speaker 1: Warbies can't come into the wet today.
Speaker 2: The case of the web, it's weeze Bar, not Warbes.
Speaker 2: Weez Bar it is and it's it's just this place
Speaker 2: sitting out the middle of nowhere by an old farmstead
Speaker 2: that has these rocks in the middle of this field
Speaker 2: that have petroglyphs carved all over them.
Speaker 1: Where is that?
Speaker 2: Roughly it's about three two or three miles east along
Speaker 2: the Snake River from Celebration Point, which is about five
Speaker 2: miles east of map Rock on map Rock Road.
Speaker 1: Which is roughly thirty five feet from Scary Rattlesnake Bush.
Speaker 2: Yes, Scary Rattlesnake Bush. We're going to do an iconographic
Speaker 2: kind of idiogram on a rock to celebrate our encounter
Speaker 2: with the Great Rattlesnake, the Great Snake. I can't do
Speaker 2: it very good. Yeah, that's way better. But that was
Speaker 2: a weird thing.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I'll never forget.
Speaker 1: About myself for that one.
Speaker 2: That was good. That's one of those things that's scary
Speaker 2: enough that kind of you won't forget it.
Speaker 1: I should have shot it. Okay, there's no reason to
Speaker 1: leave a poisonous snake in an area that kids will
Speaker 1: be playing her They gophers, that's fine.
Speaker 2: Gophers spread disease. It did kind of terrify me because
Speaker 2: if some little kid, two year old running out there
Speaker 2: playing with the.
Speaker 1: Rock and daddy I just pictured my kid instead of you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he wouldn't have seen it. He'd have ran right through
Speaker 1: it and probably been snack.
Speaker 2: And that's the danger of that kind of stuff. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: be careful. Maybe you should wear pants. We didn't.
Speaker 1: We were just freaking full Native American tribal loincloth in it.
Speaker 1: No pants at all.
Speaker 2: I wasn't wearing a loincloth. I had Calvin kleins. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's bad.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 2: On that note, on that image, let's go ahead and
Speaker 2: close this thing out. Anything else we want.
Speaker 1: To say, don't forget Sheriffs to sheriff.
Speaker 2: Likeus, like us.
Speaker 1: That's time.
Speaker 2: I was watching you know, the psych Yes, like Sherifface
Speaker 2: and likeas like liking, and he was talking about he
Speaker 2: was talking about the Bible, and he was talking about Genesis,
Speaker 2: do the right thing. That's so awesome. I forgot about that.
Speaker 1: I laughed, So I think the whole phrase is Samson,
Speaker 1: ordinary dwarf in mouth who must find his way back
Speaker 1: to Wolverhampton. And then Gus is like, no, Sampson, the
Speaker 1: legendary figure from the Bible. You read a Bible, Sean,
Speaker 1: and then he's like, I do read the Bible. Genesis, Exorcist, Leviathan,
Speaker 1: do the right thing. That's a good.
Speaker 2: If you guys want to watch a fun show and
Speaker 2: you haven't seen it before, what psych Yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: there as it is really good. They just don't have its. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's enough of this stuff.
Speaker 1: Let's get out. Like us on Facebook and Instagram, Twitter,
Speaker 1: follow us, do the do the things you do with
Speaker 1: social media.
Speaker 2: And we're also on I started, I should say, we
Speaker 2: started a new group page on Facebook where you can
Speaker 2: share your strange things that you run.
Speaker 1: Into to America, you guys, get it. And then and
Speaker 1: then Stitcher, iTunes.
Speaker 2: Cast, bodcast box, Google play, iTunes, all right, podcast whatever that.
Speaker 1: Is, all all of those formats on all of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like us, follow it.
Speaker 1: And rate us, Yeah, give us reviews. We want going
Speaker 1: to hear those things. If it's a zero star review,
Speaker 1: you can't do that. Yeah, but they give us five
Speaker 1: because if you go all the way to the end,
Speaker 1: there's probably a zero. So just give us five. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: give us five, and then leave a really bad comment
Speaker 1: and then you do the drama a picture.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, get online, and also you know, follow us
Speaker 2: on Facebook. I mean, it's something that you can do,
Speaker 2: and we put information on there. And also our website,
Speaker 2: a strange thing dot com. We've got a blog there.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you noticed. I don't go there,
Speaker 2: try to update the blog. I do all the work
Speaker 2: on this. You come over, drink beer and talk into
Speaker 2: a microfile. That's why they pay them. I should give
Speaker 2: you moderation control over some of it, and like delegate
Speaker 2: some of the responsibility.
Speaker 1: You could, but you'd be let down significantly every single time.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: All right, well that happy note, Austin. Since you're such
Speaker 2: a contributor, why don't you go ahead and close us out?
Speaker 1: Hmm, So join us next time for some cold drinks
Speaker 1: and some strange conversation.
Speaker 2: Bye guys.
Speaker 3: Hm hm hm m m m m m m m