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<v Speaker 1>Hey guys, Hey guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, Welcome to episode number what is it?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know? Sixteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to episode number sixteen of a Strange Thing podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Mike and I'm Often and we.

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<v Speaker 2>Are your hosts for this strange podcast. Yeah, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>feeling especially strange tonight. It's been rough. It's been a

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<v Speaker 2>weird whole couple of weeks. Yeah, And actually it's been

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<v Speaker 2>a weird summer.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been a weird year before that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just been weird. It's been a.

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<v Speaker 1>Teen was a weird year for our family. It is,

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<v Speaker 1>it's been twenty twenty. It has been a weird year

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<v Speaker 1>for the world.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, everybody I talk to say that it's

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<v Speaker 2>been a weird thing for them and their family too.

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<v Speaker 2>It's eighteen, it's a strange thing. Twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I'm saying, like, twenty nineteen was weird for our family.

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<v Speaker 1>It was, and then twenty twenty is just weird.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a continuance of weird.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's not weird for our family, oh it is,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's also weird for everybody. It seems like.

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<v Speaker 2>There's just a lot of weird things going on in

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<v Speaker 2>the world. Yep, you know, everything from dust clouds that

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<v Speaker 2>covering the continent to grasshoppers and locusts, swarms taking over areas,

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<v Speaker 2>to earthquakes.

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<v Speaker 1>And bars, clothing.

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<v Speaker 2>And weather weirdness and face masks and all kinds of

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<v Speaker 2>like viral fears.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, it's been weird. It's weird, weird.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but we're glad you're here, and we want to

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<v Speaker 2>today as you listen to this podcast, we want to

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<v Speaker 2>spread a little joy, a little hope, a little cheer,

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<v Speaker 2>even though it's like Christmas in July, guys kind of

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't even know if I'm feeling it, but

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so sick of feeling it that I'm gonna make

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<v Speaker 2>myself feel it tonight. I'm gonna feel it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, feel that happiness.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna be happy. Damn it, I'm gonna be so happy.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just not gonna be able to control myself. Woo woo.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, now we got that out of the way.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you're playing our drinking game, I said, but anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>that's another thing we should add to our drinking game.

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<v Speaker 2>If we say but anyway, or you hear the.

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<v Speaker 1>Dogs bark, oh, yeah, every time you hear.

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<v Speaker 2>The dogs bark. You get to drink an entire beer

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<v Speaker 2>unless you don't want to drink anything alcoholic, and then

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<v Speaker 2>you can drink an entire water or an entire soda

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<v Speaker 2>because we do not want to encourage unresponsible drinking in

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<v Speaker 2>any way, shape or form.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go, There you go. That's our disclaimer disclaimer

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<v Speaker 1>for the day.

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<v Speaker 2>Your mom will be happy.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want an idea of our mood. Right now,

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<v Speaker 1>my dad's wearing a Saracha shirt. Yeah, we've got solely

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<v Speaker 1>from the Monsters Inc. Plush toy. Boo from the Monsters Inc.

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<v Speaker 1>Plush toy next to a box from Blade Runner the

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<v Speaker 1>DVD compilation, a fishing reel above that is a mic

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<v Speaker 1>from Monsters Inc. And a four legged Imperial Walker.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I gotta say, you're almost making me cry

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<v Speaker 2>because it's stuff that brings me so joy.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's just so silly. I know, I'm just.

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of a weird guy and we like weird stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's all around us here in the office, and

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<v Speaker 2>he's looking at my little shelves up there. And I

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<v Speaker 2>did stuff for Monsters Inc. On video gaming when I

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<v Speaker 2>was you know, doing that kind of stuff back in

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<v Speaker 2>the day. And I don't know. I've always been kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a weird guy, and I feel like I am

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<v Speaker 2>so lucky and blessed to be able to do this

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<v Speaker 2>kind of stuff. We don't make any money on this thing.

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<v Speaker 2>We do this for fun. We don't want notoriety anymore

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<v Speaker 2>than just we hope people enjoy it. And so I'm

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<v Speaker 2>hoping people hang with us, you know, and realize we're

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<v Speaker 2>not professionals. We're just we're hacks, but we're having fun.

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<v Speaker 1>If you if you want a really good representation of

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<v Speaker 1>how serious we take this, well, maybe not serious. We

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<v Speaker 1>take it kind of serious.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of some of it are very serious, like our

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<v Speaker 2>strange acts of kindness that was a really cool episode.

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<v Speaker 1>But how lighthearted we come into it is my dad's

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<v Speaker 1>drinking whiskey and a Sarroger shirt next to a plastic

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<v Speaker 1>corn on the cob that's half shucked painted bright gold.

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<v Speaker 1>It was metallic paint.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a corn hole trophy. It's a cornhole trophy. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a great trophy like cornhole sometimes. But anyway, now we

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<v Speaker 2>are way we're way down the corn hole.

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<v Speaker 1>We are way down the corn hole.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's pull out of the corn so let's get back

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<v Speaker 2>on topic. We're talking about petroglyphs. We're talking about things

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<v Speaker 2>that are written on rocks. And we did the strange

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<v Speaker 2>rock kind of narrative because it is weird, and we

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<v Speaker 2>went down and looked at a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Of these well not a lot, but well several several

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<v Speaker 1>and in our immediate proximity.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've been to several others that I did on

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<v Speaker 2>my own before I was, you know, because you were

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<v Speaker 2>busy with life and having a kidd stuff. So for

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<v Speaker 2>those who listened to our previous episode, we were talking

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<v Speaker 2>about a specific strange rock that was close to where

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<v Speaker 2>we are geographically in southern Idaho, which was called Map Rock,

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<v Speaker 2>and Map Rock it is believed to be one of

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<v Speaker 2>the oldest, if not the oldest map in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they estimate, and I say they it's archaeologists, people

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<v Speaker 2>who study this kind of thing, have estimated that the

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<v Speaker 2>petroglyphs on this rock could be up to twelve thousand

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<v Speaker 2>years old.

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<v Speaker 1>That's pretty darn old it is.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've heard from a people on our Facebook page.

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<v Speaker 2>I got a note from Marco who studies this stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>and he says that's way off. Ooh, And they have

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<v Speaker 2>scientific research papers that basically show that that's an impossibility

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<v Speaker 2>for it to be that old. It's speculation on both

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<v Speaker 2>sides because we weren't there. But I like to think

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<v Speaker 2>of it being really old, because that's more strange. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so we're going to roll with that, and Marco's I

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<v Speaker 2>thank you for your input because I like to be informed,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're going to keep looking at that stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>We see the logic and we choose to ignore it,

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<v Speaker 1>not ignore it, but it stays in our cranial capacity,

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<v Speaker 1>that cavern of cranial goodness is still pondering that information.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't debate that it's not old.

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<v Speaker 2>It's old.

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<v Speaker 1>So we'll go with old.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, And like we kind of talked about

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<v Speaker 2>last week, petroglyphs no matter where they're found, and they're

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<v Speaker 2>into Canada. I mean, the whole continent is scattered with

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<v Speaker 2>these strange petroglyphs. And what they are and why they

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<v Speaker 2>were written has been a topic of debate among specialists

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<v Speaker 2>for hundreds of years. And so we're a couple hacks

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<v Speaker 2>and we're looking at it from a total hack perspective

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<v Speaker 2>and not knowing much and we're relating it to things

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<v Speaker 2>that we understand today, and it could be totally wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>but yet it's fun.

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<v Speaker 1>It might be totally wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>It might be totally right, but you may be right.

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<v Speaker 1>I may be crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you're crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>I am.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're looking at this with different eyes because we've

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<v Speaker 2>never studied petroglyphs until we realize that there was this

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<v Speaker 2>thing sitting down on the Snake River Canyon about thirty

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<v Speaker 2>miles away that was very interesting and very strange. That

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<v Speaker 2>was our genesis. That's where we started our consideration for

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<v Speaker 2>this thing. So last episode we talked about these rocks

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<v Speaker 2>that have been chiseled or scratched. Some people call them

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<v Speaker 2>rock art, some people call them petroglyphs. They can be

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<v Speaker 2>called whatever you want. But they've been there a heck

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<v Speaker 2>of a long time, and we know that they were

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<v Speaker 2>most likely carved by the indigenous people of those regions.

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<v Speaker 2>All across the United States, there have been Native American

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<v Speaker 2>tribes or Indian tribes that have inscribed on rocks for

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<v Speaker 2>one reason or another and have created a very intricate

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<v Speaker 2>catalog of symbols that can be found all across the world.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not just here in the United States, it's in Hawaii,

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<v Speaker 2>it's in Europe, it's in Ireland, it's all over the place,

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<v Speaker 2>in Australia, in Africa. These things exist everywhere, and these things,

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<v Speaker 2>some of them are contemporary with things from ancient history

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<v Speaker 2>that we know of, like Babylon and Assyria and Egypt.

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<v Speaker 2>They're contemporary, they've been they were taking place at the

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<v Speaker 2>same time as far as our ability to date when

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<v Speaker 2>these things happen. So it's fascinating because we hear a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of Middle Eastern history and we see a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of Middle Eastern you know, kneiform writings or Egyptian hieroglyphics. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the word.

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<v Speaker 1>It's funny that we were talking about this another podcast

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<v Speaker 1>that I listened to, he just did the history of

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<v Speaker 1>Egypt and all their mythology and stuff, not necessarily a history,

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<v Speaker 1>but the mythology and kind of how the the geography

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<v Speaker 1>ties into the mythology of the the god, the sphinx,

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<v Speaker 1>the the mummification process, raw, you know all that stuff. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's Dan Cummins Time podcast is super good. Great.

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<v Speaker 2>We like that and I know tech we're not supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to call out things, but we don't care because we're

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<v Speaker 2>doing this for fun, and we love those guys. It

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't matter if it's true crime and garage or or

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<v Speaker 2>you know, pick your podcast, whatever it is. We're so

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<v Speaker 2>thankful for those guys that we consider them pioneers and

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<v Speaker 2>we love to be doing the things that they do well,

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<v Speaker 2>even though maybe we're not doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like there were even topics that this guy covered.

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<v Speaker 1>He just talked about all this egyptology, and he covered

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<v Speaker 1>some of the hieroglyphics and things that they might mean.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's funny to even reference them now because I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like what I learned is coming from from that.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel kind of weird.

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<v Speaker 2>We get on here like we know all this stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. Why we know is because we get on

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<v Speaker 2>the trail of something and then we google it and

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<v Speaker 2>we do some research, and then we think about it

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<v Speaker 2>and we talk about it, and we go look at

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<v Speaker 2>things and we try to apply our perspective to it.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's not like we are wise or educated in

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<v Speaker 2>the in all of these topics. It's because we do

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<v Speaker 2>a little research and because we have such a great

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<v Speaker 2>information plethora of information available on the Internet.

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<v Speaker 1>I think our our goal as the podcast kind of

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<v Speaker 1>originally is to be able to go do things and

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<v Speaker 1>talk with people and kind of get their opinions, but

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<v Speaker 1>recent circumstances has kind of limited that. So you've opened

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<v Speaker 1>up kind of the Facebook talk page that we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to get some stories in some opinions, but it's not

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<v Speaker 1>going to be like when we went to Shishowon and

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<v Speaker 1>the no that marine was telling us about grabbing police

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<v Speaker 1>officers by the Gonads because they insulted his mom.

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<v Speaker 2>And rock Lady was going to show us the entrance

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<v Speaker 2>to the Hallow work.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it's not going to be quite that that was.

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<v Speaker 2>An extra extra special but.

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<v Speaker 1>Hopefully we can get on that.

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<v Speaker 2>now we're digging a little deeper maybe than we would have,

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<v Speaker 2>Even though maybe sometimes it can kind of derail where

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<v Speaker 2>that's very interesting. I think it brings an added depth.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it does definitely bring some credibility to it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and it almost highlights some of the more bizarre and

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<v Speaker 1>strange things that we talk about. But we are off topic.

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<v Speaker 2>We are again we do this, We've gone down a

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<v Speaker 2>in the Snake River Plain, all the way from where

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<v Speaker 2>all the way up through Idaho Falls and Pocatello and

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<v Speaker 2>the far eastern side of the state, and then you

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<v Speaker 2>and into California and Nevada. These petroglyphs aren't literally everywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>One thing that's really cool about petroglyphs and that they

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<v Speaker 2>are everywhere, is that they share a lot of commonalities.

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<v Speaker 2>And tonight we want to get into a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of that. We're just going to touch on it and

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<v Speaker 2>what their purpose was, if there was a purpose. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>last episode you were talking about you Entertainment Mom and

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<v Speaker 2>Dad show showing Indian decides that they're tired of their

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that's probably I'm not going to say

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<v Speaker 1>it's all of them, but there has to be kids

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<v Speaker 1>that were messing around and made these scratches on rocks

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<v Speaker 1>that today are taking so serious.

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<v Speaker 2>Or maybe they saw an elder of the tribe or

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<v Speaker 2>a medicine man or some type of shaman figure do

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<v Speaker 2>something and then they but they mimic that or they

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, we've got Crayola markers, crans, we've got colored pencils,

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<v Speaker 2>Well, now you have everything electronic too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, but and like paint program on the computer

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<v Speaker 1>has been around forever, first Bueler's day.

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<v Speaker 2>Off and on. Now little kids playing on little electronic.

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<v Speaker 1>And they're painting and always and they've got felt and

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<v Speaker 1>based on the number. You know what I'm talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>Kids are always color and stuff drawn and sticks in

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<v Speaker 1>the dirt making chalk on the sidewalk. So there's no

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<v Speaker 1>way that every little petro Griff Petrick hippogriff.

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<v Speaker 2>Petra glyph, petrick glyph. Yes, we're we're drinking a little whiskey.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that's impacting this yet, But any slur

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that that those are all serious. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>there's gotta be some that are just kids messing around

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<v Speaker 1>or even went around. Yeah, even adults, but mostly like

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<v Speaker 1>to me, I just picture the insignificance and and it

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<v Speaker 1>is important for kids to be creative, but the insignificance

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<v Speaker 1>of a child just sitting there being goofy or even

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<v Speaker 1>we see it and we're like, what do these lines mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Right, and we take it so serious. There's gotta be

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<v Speaker 2>Or kind of like that. What if, like I mean

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<v Speaker 2>what we're saying Native Americans didn't have a sense of humor.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I'm sure. So they could just be.

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<v Speaker 2>Like chiseling like some funny cartoon on a rock. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>we wouldn't know the difference. Yeah, but you know, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>they were more special than that. I after doing some research,

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<v Speaker 2>I actually think they are one of the other areas

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<v Speaker 2>that are you know, famous for petroglyphs here in this region.

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<v Speaker 2>Would be the area known as weeze Bar. Weeze Bar,

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<v Speaker 2>weeze Bar all right. Now, it's southeast of Marsing where

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<v Speaker 2>we were at looking at map Rock. But usually what

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<v Speaker 2>you have to do is you have to go down

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<v Speaker 2>along the Snake River and there's a dam that's owned

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<v Speaker 2>by a hydroelectric company here in Idaho, and you have

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<v Speaker 2>to go across their dam and then you hike about

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<v Speaker 2>a mile a mile and a half back and out

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<v Speaker 2>in the middle of this field are a bunch of rocks.

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<v Speaker 2>They they're these boulders left over from the Great Bonneville

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<v Speaker 2>Flood and they're kind of rolled up and they're round

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<v Speaker 2>and like in Hagerman they call them watermelons, rock melons.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the same kind of thing. Yeah, they're they're smoothed

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<v Speaker 2>over because they were tumbled through, yeah, through this flood.

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<v Speaker 2>And the Native American tribes that were in this area,

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<v Speaker 2>which were the Shoshone tribes, how they started carving on

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<v Speaker 2>these rocks at Weezebar. And you know, I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>they're dated as old as map Rock was, but they're

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<v Speaker 2>still the same kind of symbolism. They have squiggles, they

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<v Speaker 2>have squirrels, they have circles with dots in the middle

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<v Speaker 2>and then lines coming out, and you know, you look

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<v Speaker 2>at these things and they're common. And then you can

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<v Speaker 2>go and look at other petroglyphs all across the United

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<v Speaker 2>States and you'll see those same kind of symbols.

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<v Speaker 1>Some things that kind of translate all the way across.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's kind of what we're going to talk a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit about tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I know what one of them means for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>What you know the squiggles when you when you get

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<v Speaker 1>a pan and and you're signing the receipt at the

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<v Speaker 1>restaurant and you go up in the top left corner

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<v Speaker 1>and you scribble. They're just checking to make sure that

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<v Speaker 1>they're hammer and fizzle work. Oh yeah, just like let

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<v Speaker 1>me get the ink flowing here, I'll put my circle

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<v Speaker 1>with Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish I could get rid of that scribble up there,

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<v Speaker 2>but I can't because if chisel yeah, well I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if that's quite accurate, but that's a really good idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, test to make get the ink get that chisel

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<v Speaker 1>hand working.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, here's one thing I had because I've been thinking

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<v Speaker 2>about it and I knew we were going to do

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<v Speaker 2>this podcast. And I was thinking about what would be

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<v Speaker 2>an equivalent of this today. Now, I'm a graphic artist.

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<v Speaker 2>I work for a company, and part of what I

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<v Speaker 2>do is design these things called icons. And the icons

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<v Speaker 2>basically what they do they convey an idea without any

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<v Speaker 2>kind of phonetic or spoken information. Right, So you see

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<v Speaker 2>them and you get the understanding that they mean something

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<v Speaker 2>without ever saying a word or you know, reading a

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<v Speaker 2>written word.

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<v Speaker 1>Like an emoji.

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<v Speaker 2>An emoji is exactly the same thing, right, And I

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<v Speaker 2>got thinking, maybe these rock petroglyphs are icons or emojis

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<v Speaker 2>that was used to convey information, not written language like

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Oh no, I totally think that, yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>not you know, different than what the you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>Egyptians had, which was, you know, different ways of actually

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<v Speaker 2>writing out things that meant words that people would think words.

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<v Speaker 2>These icons speak beyond that, they go around it. It's

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<v Speaker 2>like sign language. Yeah, So when you're doing sign language,

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<v Speaker 2>you can spell out a b CD with your fingers

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<v Speaker 2>and then you have to learn to spell and write,

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<v Speaker 2>and that word will give you a meaning, or you

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<v Speaker 2>can do something more primitive, like if you're thirsty and

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<v Speaker 2>you want to drink of water, you make a symbol

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<v Speaker 2>of holding the cup and you raise the glass up

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<v Speaker 2>and go gulk and you basically conveyed in sign language drink. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>I do that all the time. We have some coworkers

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<v Speaker 1>that are like Bosnian or Russian, and they they're super

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<v Speaker 1>nice people and they like to talk and hang out

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<v Speaker 1>and they have some of the funnest sense of humor.

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<v Speaker 1>But when I talk to them about important things, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>always using gestures and pointing at things or like if

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<v Speaker 1>it's a if I'm saying like, yeah, you set it

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<v Speaker 1>down on a table, like put my hand on the table.

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta like, I gotta make an extra effort.

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<v Speaker 2>To because make sure they understand.

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<v Speaker 1>So me being pissed off in my angry face as universal, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody from China is going to see me and be like,

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<v Speaker 1>why why is his face red? He's happy, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>but the scowl makes it universally angry.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>So these symbols can be taken universally if they are.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, and they're just expressions made with your face, your arms,

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<v Speaker 2>your hands, your legs. You know your body, and you

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<v Speaker 2>know what's really interesting, if you study you know the

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<v Speaker 2>Native American tribes and even through South America, You've got

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<v Speaker 2>all of these common types of communication through nothing more

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<v Speaker 2>than a sign language. And so they would make these

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<v Speaker 2>gestures and they could communicate from the East coast to

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<v Speaker 2>the West coast, from North America to South America. It's

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<v Speaker 2>something that was going on and we know this. And

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<v Speaker 2>the graphic equivalent of that is iconography. These icons, these

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<v Speaker 2>petroglyphs could be an writing system of ideas and concept

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<v Speaker 2>and words that do not need to have a phonetic

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<v Speaker 2>kind of connection.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I thought about that this the light bulb

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<v Speaker 2>went on, and and I hadn't done any research yet.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just thinking, what if these were like icons?

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<v Speaker 2>Because my job I have to like create a set

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<v Speaker 2>of icons that we can use for people to know

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<v Speaker 2>to click on a button or this is a weblink

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<v Speaker 2>or this is a video.

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<v Speaker 1>Down this trail is Microsoft.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, and so you know a mouth with a line

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<v Speaker 2>thread that says no talking, mute button, mute button, or

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<v Speaker 2>it could be this is you know, a speaker icon, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, whatever it is. We've got our icon set

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<v Speaker 2>and they're pretty universal.

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<v Speaker 1>Like airplane mode on your phone exactly the airplane, right,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what airplane is, so airplane mode. You can't

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<v Speaker 1>have your phone on an airplane.

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<v Speaker 2>And so you who speak English would understand it just

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<v Speaker 2>as well as somebody who's Japanese who doesn't speak English.

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<v Speaker 1>Who understand principle, who.

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<v Speaker 2>Speaks any other kind of language on the planet. If

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<v Speaker 2>they're aware of that icon, they don't need to say anything.

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<v Speaker 2>They know they understand. And I thought, well, what if

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<v Speaker 2>these symbols were like icons on rocks and they're communicating

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<v Speaker 2>something to everybody else. We know, all these Indian tribes

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<v Speaker 2>had different languages that they spoke, But if they could

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<v Speaker 2>write something on a rock that would convey messages to

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<v Speaker 2>somebody else that was familiar with the iconography or the ideogram,

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<v Speaker 2>then they could do what we do with icons for

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<v Speaker 2>this so called primitive people of four thousand years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>and all of a sudden, that is very very advanced.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Well, yeah, I use the same thing. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>funny that we're talking about map rock, but on you

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<v Speaker 1>saw my little hunting app. Right, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>I'm supposed to say the name of the company on here.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you could say it on X. The one

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<v Speaker 2>do you use on X.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey folks, Brandy Newburgh here he always does an on

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<v Speaker 1>X thing. But yeah, on X hunt app that's what

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<v Speaker 1>I use for hunting. It has little way points you

425
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<v Speaker 1>can you can set and we're talking about map rock

426
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<v Speaker 1>and all these symbols. You should see my page. It's

427
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<v Speaker 1>either an X where I'm like, oh, this place looks cool,

428
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<v Speaker 1>I'll just put a vague red X. And the other

429
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<v Speaker 1>places I'm like, man, that place looks like it's got

430
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<v Speaker 1>a like a drainage or like a water going through

431
00:24:35.000 --> 00:24:37.519
<v Speaker 1>the Let's put a little water drop because to me,

432
00:24:37.640 --> 00:24:41.079
<v Speaker 1>that means water. Water drop means water. I got I

433
00:24:41.119 --> 00:24:43.160
<v Speaker 1>got a tent that means maybe like a camp. Here,

434
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<v Speaker 1>I've got a picture of a truck or an ATV

435
00:24:45.400 --> 00:24:48.039
<v Speaker 1>or a motorcycle saying this is where I parked my car,

436
00:24:48.359 --> 00:24:52.160
<v Speaker 1>ATV or motorcycle. So you've got all these little icons,

437
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<v Speaker 1>iconography or whatever that word you said, ideographic writing system.

438
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<v Speaker 2>Geographic writing systems, yeah, ideograms, idio when they or ideograms yeah.

439
00:25:03.319 --> 00:25:06.119
<v Speaker 1>But it's it's just an image that represents like a

440
00:25:06.160 --> 00:25:09.799
<v Speaker 1>whole meaning, like a whole group of meaning.

441
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<v Speaker 2>Even like so what scientists would call this is a

442
00:25:13.920 --> 00:25:17.960
<v Speaker 2>language of the mind. Now, we're gonna let's let's jump

443
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<v Speaker 2>into this a little intellectually here, because I love this

444
00:25:20.319 --> 00:25:25.480
<v Speaker 2>kind of stuff. So what is a word? When you

445
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<v Speaker 2>hear something and you hear language, what does it do

446
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<v Speaker 2>inside your head? What is the communication that's going on?

447
00:25:34.200 --> 00:25:37.240
<v Speaker 2>Do you think in words? Do you think in images?

448
00:25:37.279 --> 00:25:39.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's fun to think about. So if you

449
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<v Speaker 2>see an icon and you see it, you understand what

450
00:25:43.720 --> 00:25:46.200
<v Speaker 2>it is. But do you have to say the word

451
00:25:46.279 --> 00:25:49.039
<v Speaker 2>in your mind to understand what it is? Or do

452
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<v Speaker 2>you know what it is without the word?

453
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<v Speaker 1>I think you know how everybody's like a neurologic pathways

454
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<v Speaker 1>or whatever, and you can like retrain your mind to

455
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<v Speaker 1>do different things. If you've had like PTSD or something,

456
00:26:02.680 --> 00:26:06.039
<v Speaker 1>I think your mind's already got paths based on previous

457
00:26:06.079 --> 00:26:10.759
<v Speaker 1>experiences that start when you're like my son's agent. He

458
00:26:10.799 --> 00:26:14.400
<v Speaker 1>doesn't know a bottle is a bottle, but he knows

459
00:26:14.440 --> 00:26:17.960
<v Speaker 1>that a bottle satisfies this feeling he has right that

460
00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:19.160
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't know his hunger.

461
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<v Speaker 2>I think, yeah, and that's great because he's not capable

462
00:26:22.839 --> 00:26:24.119
<v Speaker 2>of thinking in words yet.

463
00:26:24.240 --> 00:26:25.839
<v Speaker 1>It's all conditioned responses.

464
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<v Speaker 2>It's a language of the mind. It's it's an understanding

465
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<v Speaker 2>intellectually of something that makes us understand a principle or concept,

466
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<v Speaker 2>and it does not require words, and sometimes you can't

467
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<v Speaker 2>even put words to it. Think of things like love.

468
00:26:44.079 --> 00:26:45.519
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you can say the word love, and that

469
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<v Speaker 2>can mean a million things to a million different people.

470
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<v Speaker 2>That could mean a million things to different people. I

471
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<v Speaker 2>guess that makes sense sense, But the actual emotion of

472
00:26:57.200 --> 00:27:02.920
<v Speaker 2>love cannot be described distinctly in words, but you feel

473
00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:07.559
<v Speaker 2>it instantly in the language of the mind, and the

474
00:27:07.599 --> 00:27:09.799
<v Speaker 2>best that words can do is kind of help you

475
00:27:09.880 --> 00:27:14.599
<v Speaker 2>trigger that. But they're totally independent because you'll do things

476
00:27:14.920 --> 00:27:17.640
<v Speaker 2>out of love without ever saying, oh, because I love

477
00:27:17.799 --> 00:27:20.839
<v Speaker 2>this person, I'm going to do that thing. It'll just

478
00:27:21.039 --> 00:27:25.440
<v Speaker 2>be a reaction of that emotion. And so it's really

479
00:27:25.480 --> 00:27:29.160
<v Speaker 2>interesting to see that these kind of communications actually are

480
00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:35.119
<v Speaker 2>more effective and universal than phonetic language kinds of communication,

481
00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:41.680
<v Speaker 2>because in phonetic or written languages, they are prone to

482
00:27:41.839 --> 00:27:48.480
<v Speaker 2>misunderstandings and misinterpretations in different meanings true, where in a

483
00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:52.720
<v Speaker 2>language of the mind you are getting the raw base

484
00:27:53.079 --> 00:27:58.880
<v Speaker 2>information that means something. It's fascinating to me that sign

485
00:27:58.960 --> 00:28:03.079
<v Speaker 2>language works that way, that iconography works that way, and

486
00:28:04.039 --> 00:28:10.039
<v Speaker 2>possibly these ancient, primitive people with very limited understanding. We're

487
00:28:10.079 --> 00:28:15.160
<v Speaker 2>actually doing something that was more communicative universally than what

488
00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:18.880
<v Speaker 2>we have now in a phonetic language, even like is

489
00:28:18.920 --> 00:28:19.480
<v Speaker 2>it Greek?

490
00:28:20.160 --> 00:28:23.799
<v Speaker 1>Just using your example of love, is it Greek? Or

491
00:28:24.599 --> 00:28:27.599
<v Speaker 1>like four different words for a gape and all those

492
00:28:27.640 --> 00:28:29.839
<v Speaker 1>words different words for love, they kind of mean like

493
00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:34.559
<v Speaker 1>brotherly or like you're a human and I love you

494
00:28:34.680 --> 00:28:37.160
<v Speaker 1>in a way that is we have something in common.

495
00:28:37.359 --> 00:28:47.079
<v Speaker 1>I love you as a eros. But yeah, you know

496
00:28:47.079 --> 00:28:49.880
<v Speaker 1>what I mean. There's even other languages that have tried

497
00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:54.559
<v Speaker 1>to like separate these things, just using love as an example,

498
00:28:56.400 --> 00:28:58.599
<v Speaker 1>but there's a different love between me and my sons,

499
00:28:58.839 --> 00:29:01.119
<v Speaker 1>between me and my wife, between me and my dad,

500
00:29:01.799 --> 00:29:04.119
<v Speaker 1>between me and my truck, between me and my.

501
00:29:04.119 --> 00:29:12.160
<v Speaker 2>Bow and your friends, if you had any Yeah, you know,

502
00:29:12.200 --> 00:29:14.559
<v Speaker 2>it's fascinating. We could linger in here. We could do

503
00:29:14.599 --> 00:29:18.279
<v Speaker 2>a whole episode on the strange meaning of words and

504
00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:22.960
<v Speaker 2>concepts and ideas. But what we have in petroglyphs could

505
00:29:23.000 --> 00:29:29.680
<v Speaker 2>be an iconographic idea graphic idiom kind of driven communication

506
00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:36.319
<v Speaker 2>system of antiquity that conveyed information across people of different

507
00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:39.400
<v Speaker 2>spoken languages across the entire planet.

508
00:29:39.599 --> 00:29:41.599
<v Speaker 1>Wow, that's a lot of big words.

509
00:29:41.440 --> 00:29:46.599
<v Speaker 2>Basically a universal system of communication independent of spoken language.

510
00:29:47.000 --> 00:29:51.200
<v Speaker 1>No, I agree, I totally agree, and I like that idea,

511
00:29:51.240 --> 00:29:53.839
<v Speaker 1>and I guess that's kind of how I pictured it anyway.

512
00:29:54.079 --> 00:29:56.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, and isn't that it's weird. It's kind of

513
00:29:56.640 --> 00:30:02.039
<v Speaker 2>like basic, but it's also like super rad super because

514
00:30:02.079 --> 00:30:06.079
<v Speaker 2>it's like it's something we want to make things more complicated.

515
00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:07.839
<v Speaker 2>It is simple.

516
00:30:07.880 --> 00:30:11.599
<v Speaker 1>Linear logic, like it's everything's in a line. Everything's got

517
00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:16.759
<v Speaker 1>to be word for word where you can't use your imagination.

518
00:30:16.440 --> 00:30:20.240
<v Speaker 2>Right word for word instead of concept for concept exactly.

519
00:30:20.279 --> 00:30:24.519
<v Speaker 1>That's what I'm trying to get. Western perspective, Eastern perspective.

520
00:30:24.039 --> 00:30:27.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly, which you know, shout out to Andrew. You

521
00:30:27.559 --> 00:30:28.759
<v Speaker 2>harp on this all the time.

522
00:30:29.240 --> 00:30:32.759
<v Speaker 1>Here's the point. Some people see a clock and know

523
00:30:32.799 --> 00:30:36.480
<v Speaker 1>what time it is. They see numbers and they say, yes,

524
00:30:36.559 --> 00:30:39.640
<v Speaker 1>it is this hour and this minute. And other people

525
00:30:39.680 --> 00:30:41.640
<v Speaker 1>see the sun and say, I got a few hours

526
00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:44.839
<v Speaker 1>until I need to go to bed, and other you know,

527
00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:48.759
<v Speaker 1>they know their priorities and everything's kind of free flowing

528
00:30:49.519 --> 00:30:52.839
<v Speaker 1>based on the things that are around them. And then

529
00:30:52.920 --> 00:31:01.920
<v Speaker 1>over here the Roman intellectual logical, intellectual logical Westerner perspective. Greek,

530
00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:04.440
<v Speaker 1>I guess I said Roman, but similar.

531
00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:05.720
<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah, Greco Roman.

532
00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:07.240
<v Speaker 1>It's it's linear.

533
00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:08.319
<v Speaker 2>It's like type of wrestling.

534
00:31:08.480 --> 00:31:12.359
<v Speaker 1>Because it is six thirty. I have a meeting, but

535
00:31:12.480 --> 00:31:16.839
<v Speaker 1>that wasn't around. There wasn't six thirty. There was suns

536
00:31:16.960 --> 00:31:20.079
<v Speaker 1>about here. Better head over to lunchtime.

537
00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:22.559
<v Speaker 2>The way that you see the world, the way that

538
00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:27.559
<v Speaker 2>you explain the origination of things, is through the lens

539
00:31:27.640 --> 00:31:32.400
<v Speaker 2>of that kind of culture. Now we're looking backward with

540
00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:36.920
<v Speaker 2>lenses of the twenty first century. We're looking back and

541
00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:42.160
<v Speaker 2>we're trying to look through you know, fifteenth fourteenth century.

542
00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:45.160
<v Speaker 2>Maybe we're looking back and we're looking through two hundred

543
00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:50.160
<v Speaker 2>BC goggles, two thousand BC goggles. How do we do that?

544
00:31:50.640 --> 00:31:54.039
<v Speaker 1>And you can't. It's not really I don't think that's possible.

545
00:31:55.160 --> 00:31:56.920
<v Speaker 1>Your perspective is going to be skewed.

546
00:31:57.279 --> 00:31:59.519
<v Speaker 2>But a lot of these traditions have been carried through

547
00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:03.079
<v Speaker 2>an idea. We get a hint. They were dependent on

548
00:32:03.279 --> 00:32:09.720
<v Speaker 2>the constant or erratic nature of nature itself. So if

549
00:32:09.720 --> 00:32:12.200
<v Speaker 2>they had a flood, if they had an earthquake, if

550
00:32:12.200 --> 00:32:15.920
<v Speaker 2>they had a drought, if they had rain. All of

551
00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:22.079
<v Speaker 2>these things became basically characters and their narrative for their

552
00:32:22.240 --> 00:32:27.160
<v Speaker 2>understanding of their lives and their world around them.

553
00:32:27.319 --> 00:32:31.200
<v Speaker 1>Not to bring up like the whole Egyptian culture again,

554
00:32:32.119 --> 00:32:38.359
<v Speaker 1>but they had gods for everything from death to pour

555
00:32:38.480 --> 00:32:42.920
<v Speaker 1>to potty, you know, like what I was just spending

556
00:32:42.920 --> 00:32:51.960
<v Speaker 1>out some of the random things. But whatever they did, fertility, killing, death, life, food,

557
00:32:53.279 --> 00:33:00.559
<v Speaker 1>every pleasure, everything had a like an image really that

558
00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:05.920
<v Speaker 1>meant kind of represented or was the deity of that

559
00:33:06.200 --> 00:33:11.079
<v Speaker 1>specific thing. And I don't know, I just picture that gets.

560
00:33:11.079 --> 00:33:16.000
<v Speaker 1>Your natural go to is to take a thing, associate

561
00:33:16.039 --> 00:33:16.880
<v Speaker 1>it with another thing.

562
00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:18.519
<v Speaker 2>You explain it the best you can.

563
00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:24.319
<v Speaker 1>And and two people who can't just you know, they're like, well,

564
00:33:24.359 --> 00:33:26.279
<v Speaker 1>the water is falling from the sky. We know what

565
00:33:26.359 --> 00:33:28.240
<v Speaker 1>water is, but why is the water in the sky?

566
00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:32.759
<v Speaker 1>Is there more water? So why is there water here? Well,

567
00:33:32.799 --> 00:33:35.039
<v Speaker 1>there must be something up there that's telling the water

568
00:33:35.079 --> 00:33:38.880
<v Speaker 1>to come down. But instead it's like, well, actually, when

569
00:33:38.920 --> 00:33:40.759
<v Speaker 1>water gets hot, it turns into a vapor and the

570
00:33:40.839 --> 00:33:43.720
<v Speaker 1>vapor rises because the heat and the heat condenses in

571
00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:46.599
<v Speaker 1>the air. They didn't that, they didn't know these things,

572
00:33:46.839 --> 00:33:49.759
<v Speaker 1>so they just associated there must be a giant kitten

573
00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:53.240
<v Speaker 1>in the sky peas d.

574
00:33:57.240 --> 00:34:00.279
<v Speaker 2>It smells bad that that cries.

575
00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:06.720
<v Speaker 1>Regularly or whatever in it either brings a flood or

576
00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:10.440
<v Speaker 1>it brings more crops or drought or and they associate

577
00:34:10.480 --> 00:34:14.519
<v Speaker 1>it with this important thing. But it's a scientific It is.

578
00:34:14.519 --> 00:34:18.880
<v Speaker 2>Really interesting because there's this like a layering of understanding.

579
00:34:19.480 --> 00:34:22.719
<v Speaker 2>And if you look at the mythologies of some of

580
00:34:22.760 --> 00:34:26.719
<v Speaker 2>the Native American peoples from in we're looking back, you know,

581
00:34:27.519 --> 00:34:31.760
<v Speaker 2>over thousands of years, and the narratives that they have

582
00:34:32.199 --> 00:34:36.840
<v Speaker 2>sometimes are very similar to the narratives that we find

583
00:34:36.840 --> 00:34:41.480
<v Speaker 2>in other cultures, whether they are Greek or they're Syrian,

584
00:34:42.199 --> 00:34:46.400
<v Speaker 2>they have these commonalities. And as for instance, I was

585
00:34:46.400 --> 00:34:49.679
<v Speaker 2>looking at the similarities of the narratives of the petroglyphs

586
00:34:50.079 --> 00:34:55.599
<v Speaker 2>in southern Utah and there is a petroglyph down there

587
00:34:55.719 --> 00:34:58.920
<v Speaker 2>that kind of has this narrative and it was interpreted

588
00:34:58.960 --> 00:35:05.360
<v Speaker 2>by a guy named martineau Levan living Levan, and we'll

589
00:35:05.400 --> 00:35:08.320
<v Speaker 2>talk a little bit about him in a minute, but basically,

590
00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:12.440
<v Speaker 2>the interpretation of this petroglyph is that the creator, God

591
00:35:12.760 --> 00:35:17.800
<v Speaker 2>of the universe created humans. Humans decided that they had

592
00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:20.199
<v Speaker 2>the choice of going down one or two paths. One

593
00:35:20.360 --> 00:35:24.639
<v Speaker 2>led to destruction, one led to eternal life. The ones

594
00:35:24.679 --> 00:35:28.199
<v Speaker 2>that went down the path to eternal destruction, eventually made

595
00:35:28.280 --> 00:35:31.960
<v Speaker 2>enough bad decisions that they were eternally damned. And the

596
00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:36.719
<v Speaker 2>smart ones, the ones that believed in this eternal creator,

597
00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:40.679
<v Speaker 2>went down a different path. And even some that were

598
00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:43.559
<v Speaker 2>going down the wrong path eventually changed their direction and

599
00:35:43.639 --> 00:35:46.880
<v Speaker 2>they came back to the right path. And then they

600
00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:53.440
<v Speaker 2>joined this creator who was before and after forever. So

601
00:35:53.519 --> 00:35:56.199
<v Speaker 2>he was the Alpha and the Omega, and there were

602
00:35:56.239 --> 00:36:00.840
<v Speaker 2>two paths, and one kind of spirit came in and

603
00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:03.039
<v Speaker 2>let a lot of people off in the wrong direction,

604
00:36:04.039 --> 00:36:05.920
<v Speaker 2>and they went down the wrong path. They had the

605
00:36:05.960 --> 00:36:08.719
<v Speaker 2>opportunity at a certain point when there was a branch

606
00:36:08.800 --> 00:36:11.519
<v Speaker 2>that joined the two paths to jump back onto the

607
00:36:11.559 --> 00:36:14.840
<v Speaker 2>correct path. They some chose not to, some chose to.

608
00:36:15.639 --> 00:36:18.960
<v Speaker 2>The ones that chose not to went off to eternal destruction.

609
00:36:19.679 --> 00:36:21.960
<v Speaker 2>The ones that chose to go back to the correct

610
00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:26.519
<v Speaker 2>path went on to live with God forever. What does

611
00:36:26.559 --> 00:36:27.159
<v Speaker 2>that sound like?

612
00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:29.559
<v Speaker 1>It sounds like the Christian.

613
00:36:29.639 --> 00:36:33.719
<v Speaker 2>It sounds very similar to a lot of the Middle

614
00:36:33.760 --> 00:36:39.639
<v Speaker 2>Eastern kind of concepts of God and redemption and what

615
00:36:39.760 --> 00:36:44.679
<v Speaker 2>the purpose and endpoint of life is. And it's really weird.

616
00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:49.599
<v Speaker 2>So anyway, like I mentioned earlier, there was this young

617
00:36:49.679 --> 00:36:54.159
<v Speaker 2>man who was born in nineteen thirty two. His name

618
00:36:54.199 --> 00:36:58.400
<v Speaker 2>was Martin o'levan, and so he's born right in the

619
00:36:58.440 --> 00:37:03.079
<v Speaker 2>middle of the Great Depression, and he lived in southern

620
00:37:03.599 --> 00:37:09.280
<v Speaker 2>Utah and Cedar City and the Payute tribe had people

621
00:37:09.320 --> 00:37:12.159
<v Speaker 2>that lived there as well, part of that tribe. And

622
00:37:12.480 --> 00:37:14.880
<v Speaker 2>when he was ten years old, his parents died, don't

623
00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:19.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how, but they died, and a Piute

624
00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:23.480
<v Speaker 2>Indian man named Edric Bushhead.

625
00:37:23.079 --> 00:37:24.639
<v Speaker 1>It's a strong name. Yeah.

626
00:37:24.679 --> 00:37:29.760
<v Speaker 2>Apparently in this tribe they believed that an orphan was

627
00:37:29.800 --> 00:37:33.599
<v Speaker 2>to be taken care of. So this member of the

628
00:37:33.639 --> 00:37:38.159
<v Speaker 2>Piot tribe who happened to be he was in an

629
00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:41.280
<v Speaker 2>accident and actually lost his arm at his shoulder, so

630
00:37:41.360 --> 00:37:42.920
<v Speaker 2>he was he was handicapped.

631
00:37:43.360 --> 00:37:46.519
<v Speaker 1>What's a what's a four eight sheepherders wagon?

632
00:37:46.679 --> 00:37:51.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he lived in a sheepherder's wagon. The sheepherders at

633
00:37:51.039 --> 00:37:52.880
<v Speaker 2>that time would take the wagon out and they let

634
00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:56.360
<v Speaker 2>the you know, the flocks graze. And that's what he

635
00:37:56.440 --> 00:38:00.239
<v Speaker 2>had to live in. And so when or Martineau's dad

636
00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:03.719
<v Speaker 2>and mom died and left him as an orphan, and

637
00:38:03.800 --> 00:38:09.039
<v Speaker 2>probably in the nineteen forties, this guy, Adric bush it

638
00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:13.760
<v Speaker 2>member of the Piute tribe basically adopted him and took

639
00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:18.039
<v Speaker 2>him as his own and adopted him into the Piute tribe,

640
00:38:18.400 --> 00:38:21.519
<v Speaker 2>and he started learning about that culture, and so he

641
00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:26.119
<v Speaker 2>kind of had this unique perspective. And then after that

642
00:38:26.199 --> 00:38:30.199
<v Speaker 2>he joined the military in the war and actually served

643
00:38:30.320 --> 00:38:38.079
<v Speaker 2>on one of the teams that interpreted cryptographic messages. He

644
00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:41.840
<v Speaker 2>was fascinated with the idea of different kinds of codes.

645
00:38:42.920 --> 00:38:46.119
<v Speaker 2>And then after the war, he took that information and

646
00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:50.480
<v Speaker 2>he started studying the petroglyph things that were in that

647
00:38:50.599 --> 00:38:53.920
<v Speaker 2>area and was starting to wonder if maybe these things

648
00:38:53.920 --> 00:38:57.320
<v Speaker 2>were more than just rock art. So he studied these

649
00:38:57.360 --> 00:39:01.599
<v Speaker 2>things for over thirty five years and he started to

650
00:39:01.719 --> 00:39:05.840
<v Speaker 2>develop Even though he had no formal scientific degree or training,

651
00:39:06.360 --> 00:39:10.480
<v Speaker 2>he started picking up on these commonalities and realized that

652
00:39:10.519 --> 00:39:14.159
<v Speaker 2>there were these things going on in these petroglyphs that

653
00:39:14.360 --> 00:39:19.679
<v Speaker 2>had meanings in an idiographic way, that they were conveying

654
00:39:19.880 --> 00:39:26.239
<v Speaker 2>deep information in an iconic way to anybody that knew

655
00:39:26.480 --> 00:39:31.360
<v Speaker 2>how to read that iconic message. So anyway, this guy

656
00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:34.440
<v Speaker 2>was very, very interested in this. He spent his whole

657
00:39:34.480 --> 00:39:37.679
<v Speaker 2>life and he wrote a book about it, and people

658
00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:40.880
<v Speaker 2>in the science field that were you know, pedigreed with

659
00:39:41.360 --> 00:39:46.599
<v Speaker 2>multiple degrees from different universities kind of poo pooed his ideas.

660
00:39:47.199 --> 00:39:51.079
<v Speaker 2>But because he was uniquely situated, because he knew that

661
00:39:51.079 --> 00:39:54.519
<v Speaker 2>that culture so well, and because he studied so long

662
00:39:54.559 --> 00:39:57.719
<v Speaker 2>and so hard, it really started to get a foothold.

663
00:39:58.199 --> 00:39:59.840
<v Speaker 2>And what was going on is that people would go

664
00:40:00.239 --> 00:40:03.639
<v Speaker 2>and they'd start recognizing these symbols and realizing that they

665
00:40:03.719 --> 00:40:06.639
<v Speaker 2>meant certain things. And then they were discovering that they

666
00:40:06.639 --> 00:40:10.159
<v Speaker 2>were accurate, that they were finding out the right information,

667
00:40:10.320 --> 00:40:12.800
<v Speaker 2>and that they were telling the stories that made sense.

668
00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:16.519
<v Speaker 2>So he'd see a symbol that meant something, and maybe

669
00:40:16.519 --> 00:40:20.360
<v Speaker 2>that symbol meant go around this, go upwards, and then

670
00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:22.239
<v Speaker 2>when you get to the top, go to the right,

671
00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:26.599
<v Speaker 2>and there you will find another symbol. So he started

672
00:40:26.639 --> 00:40:28.920
<v Speaker 2>going out and he would find those kind of symbols.

673
00:40:28.920 --> 00:40:31.360
<v Speaker 2>He would follow those, he'd follow the path, he'd go

674
00:40:31.480 --> 00:40:33.559
<v Speaker 2>and do what it said, and sure enough there would

675
00:40:33.599 --> 00:40:39.360
<v Speaker 2>be another petroglyph with more information, and that petroglyph could

676
00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:43.159
<v Speaker 2>be like an entire panel with all kinds of information

677
00:40:43.320 --> 00:40:46.920
<v Speaker 2>like a story, or maybe it was another direction to

678
00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:50.360
<v Speaker 2>go to another place. And like these light bulbs were

679
00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:52.400
<v Speaker 2>going off, It's like wait, This is not just like

680
00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:55.920
<v Speaker 2>some helter skelter kind of information that people out scratching

681
00:40:55.920 --> 00:40:59.320
<v Speaker 2>the rocks. This is a very intricate form of communication

682
00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:02.559
<v Speaker 2>for people knew how to read it, and it's debated,

683
00:41:03.239 --> 00:41:06.840
<v Speaker 2>but it's pretty cool. This kind is a mind blower.

684
00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:09.039
<v Speaker 2>And you go out on the you know, Google, and

685
00:41:09.079 --> 00:41:10.920
<v Speaker 2>you google some of this stuff and you start seeing

686
00:41:10.960 --> 00:41:12.480
<v Speaker 2>that there are a lot of people that are catching

687
00:41:12.519 --> 00:41:16.599
<v Speaker 2>onto this and they're putting together these chains almost like

688
00:41:16.639 --> 00:41:19.719
<v Speaker 2>a it's almost like a treasure map. It could be

689
00:41:19.800 --> 00:41:23.840
<v Speaker 2>about maybe a war between two different tribes. It could

690
00:41:23.880 --> 00:41:27.519
<v Speaker 2>be about maybe the battle with the Europeans. It could

691
00:41:27.559 --> 00:41:30.360
<v Speaker 2>be something about, you know, don't make your camp here

692
00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:33.559
<v Speaker 2>because there are floods. And so there's all this information

693
00:41:33.679 --> 00:41:38.519
<v Speaker 2>being communicated on these angel petroglyphs. And when I started

694
00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:40.599
<v Speaker 2>getting into this, I'm like, I got this weird tangle

695
00:41:40.880 --> 00:41:43.920
<v Speaker 2>because that's it was like my idea that what if

696
00:41:43.960 --> 00:41:48.000
<v Speaker 2>these are like icons, what if these are idiograms?

697
00:41:48.119 --> 00:41:50.840
<v Speaker 1>It's definitely the same, and that's what it is.

698
00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:51.239
<v Speaker 3>I mean, in.

699
00:41:52.719 --> 00:42:13.000
<v Speaker 2>This guy's context, that's exactly what it is exactly. So

700
00:42:13.519 --> 00:42:16.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, one word, I guess the show shown tribe

701
00:42:16.360 --> 00:42:19.920
<v Speaker 2>or the pot tribe had to describe these rock writings,

702
00:42:20.559 --> 00:42:24.000
<v Speaker 2>but they called them timpy pull up and I hope

703
00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:26.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm pronouncing it right. But they have a name for

704
00:42:26.440 --> 00:42:29.280
<v Speaker 2>these things. Yeah, they call it rock writing. They don't

705
00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:33.320
<v Speaker 2>call it rock art like modern archaeologists do. There are

706
00:42:33.360 --> 00:42:37.880
<v Speaker 2>a lot of archaeologists that are are just totally against this.

707
00:42:38.039 --> 00:42:40.960
<v Speaker 2>They do not believe this. They think they were too primitive.

708
00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:44.320
<v Speaker 2>They think this is just simple scratches because the people

709
00:42:44.360 --> 00:42:46.000
<v Speaker 2>were just way too old to have that kind of

710
00:42:46.039 --> 00:42:50.920
<v Speaker 2>sophistication they and what really blows their mind is that

711
00:42:51.000 --> 00:42:54.320
<v Speaker 2>this is a communications system that spreads across the entire

712
00:42:54.760 --> 00:42:59.480
<v Speaker 2>United States, if not the entire world in some way. Yeah,

713
00:42:59.559 --> 00:43:00.559
<v Speaker 2>And that's a mind bore.

714
00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:03.880
<v Speaker 1>If you think that they're so primitive that they can't

715
00:43:04.400 --> 00:43:09.280
<v Speaker 1>come up with some system to convey information without verbal communication,

716
00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:14.159
<v Speaker 1>then they should just go hunting. Yeah, because all you

717
00:43:14.239 --> 00:43:18.880
<v Speaker 1>do is is read little iconography symbols on the ground

718
00:43:19.559 --> 00:43:22.679
<v Speaker 1>and pay attention to all these different variables that mean

719
00:43:22.800 --> 00:43:28.960
<v Speaker 1>things to you, that are just symbols basically of something

720
00:43:29.000 --> 00:43:29.599
<v Speaker 1>that's been there.

721
00:43:29.719 --> 00:43:32.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, totally, that's all they're doing. It's the same exactly,

722
00:43:32.480 --> 00:43:34.239
<v Speaker 2>it's the same thing. Why would we think that we

723
00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:37.039
<v Speaker 2>are like the only ones intelligent enough to do this

724
00:43:37.400 --> 00:43:39.280
<v Speaker 2>in modern day. Well, people have been doing this for

725
00:43:39.360 --> 00:43:40.159
<v Speaker 2>thousands of years.

726
00:43:40.440 --> 00:43:43.440
<v Speaker 1>You see, you see all the grasses laid down, and

727
00:43:43.440 --> 00:43:47.360
<v Speaker 1>the whole area smells like elk like grass. They'll probably

728
00:43:47.400 --> 00:43:50.400
<v Speaker 1>lay down here and sleep here. This is a betting area.

729
00:43:50.440 --> 00:43:52.119
<v Speaker 1>This is where they sleep, which is where you're gonna

730
00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:55.159
<v Speaker 1>shoot them. So why not mark that down as a way,

731
00:43:55.960 --> 00:44:00.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's logic, And I don't think people's brains, Yeah,

732
00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:04.199
<v Speaker 1>they've developed over time. I'm sure they're different. I bet

733
00:44:04.239 --> 00:44:06.360
<v Speaker 1>you our brains are smaller now than they used to be.

734
00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:10.360
<v Speaker 1>But they've always been reading signs, that's what you call

735
00:44:10.400 --> 00:44:13.840
<v Speaker 1>it when you're hunting, reading sign and they literally lived

736
00:44:13.880 --> 00:44:17.159
<v Speaker 1>off of hunting and gathering and finding and foraging.

737
00:44:17.199 --> 00:44:18.920
<v Speaker 2>We've got a lot of pictures on our website you

738
00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:21.800
<v Speaker 2>can look at and you'll see some of these, Like

739
00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:24.719
<v Speaker 2>you have these spirals and they start in the center

740
00:44:24.920 --> 00:44:27.559
<v Speaker 2>and then they kind of go out clockwise, they kind

741
00:44:27.559 --> 00:44:31.199
<v Speaker 2>of rotate out and grow bigger and bigger, And kind

742
00:44:31.239 --> 00:44:33.639
<v Speaker 2>of a common interpretation of that is that like that's

743
00:44:33.719 --> 00:44:37.440
<v Speaker 2>like the universe almost, like if you're looking at the

744
00:44:37.480 --> 00:44:41.480
<v Speaker 2>North Star and everything spins around the North Star. But

745
00:44:42.159 --> 00:44:45.880
<v Speaker 2>what Levon said is that no, what you're looking at

746
00:44:45.880 --> 00:44:49.559
<v Speaker 2>here is a very descriptive directional map on where you

747
00:44:49.599 --> 00:44:51.719
<v Speaker 2>need to go to find the next bit of information.

748
00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:54.920
<v Speaker 2>So if you see it start in the center and

749
00:44:55.000 --> 00:44:58.559
<v Speaker 2>move clockwise like it's climbing out, then that means you

750
00:44:58.599 --> 00:45:01.760
<v Speaker 2>need to climb up and then at some point that

751
00:45:01.920 --> 00:45:04.760
<v Speaker 2>line will break and you'll get a straight line, maybe

752
00:45:04.760 --> 00:45:06.960
<v Speaker 2>even a hook in it. And it's saying okay, when

753
00:45:06.960 --> 00:45:10.079
<v Speaker 2>you get up to the top, go straight and then

754
00:45:10.239 --> 00:45:13.920
<v Speaker 2>look and there'll be a dot there, and somewhere around

755
00:45:13.960 --> 00:45:16.119
<v Speaker 2>where that dot is represented, you're going to find the

756
00:45:16.159 --> 00:45:20.440
<v Speaker 2>next petroglyph that gives you more information. So if you

757
00:45:20.599 --> 00:45:23.440
<v Speaker 2>know what to look for, you'll go to the spot

758
00:45:23.480 --> 00:45:28.119
<v Speaker 2>where you'll finally end up at the panel petroglyph that

759
00:45:28.199 --> 00:45:31.239
<v Speaker 2>has the information that they actually want you to understand.

760
00:45:32.719 --> 00:45:38.559
<v Speaker 2>So these outlying petroglyphs that have like directional indications, they

761
00:45:38.599 --> 00:45:42.559
<v Speaker 2>call them locator glyphs. That's kind of our word for them.

762
00:45:43.280 --> 00:45:45.599
<v Speaker 2>The thing about them that he talked about is if

763
00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:47.920
<v Speaker 2>they're not true, all you'd have to do is do

764
00:45:47.960 --> 00:45:50.199
<v Speaker 2>it one or two times, and if you couldn't find

765
00:45:50.320 --> 00:45:53.039
<v Speaker 2>where you were supposed to find more information. If it

766
00:45:53.079 --> 00:45:56.320
<v Speaker 2>didn't work, then you would discount it, you would say

767
00:45:56.320 --> 00:46:00.000
<v Speaker 2>this is not what it is. But what Levin said

768
00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:05.599
<v Speaker 2>is that without fail, with zero inaccuracies, he followed that

769
00:46:05.760 --> 00:46:15.280
<v Speaker 2>map indicator and found the next petroglyph, and then he

770
00:46:15.360 --> 00:46:18.920
<v Speaker 2>spent years and years and years deciphering little subtleties of

771
00:46:19.000 --> 00:46:25.400
<v Speaker 2>little attachments to those informational petroglyphs, those icons that meant

772
00:46:25.480 --> 00:46:29.559
<v Speaker 2>even more information. He died I think in Gosh. I

773
00:46:29.559 --> 00:46:32.760
<v Speaker 2>think it was in the nineteen nineties, but he spent

774
00:46:32.840 --> 00:46:37.320
<v Speaker 2>his entire life recording his discoveries on this, and it's

775
00:46:37.400 --> 00:46:38.800
<v Speaker 2>really really fascinating.

776
00:46:39.039 --> 00:46:42.320
<v Speaker 1>It'd be kind of fun to try, Yeah, especially if

777
00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:45.800
<v Speaker 1>there's paths and we could use something that's not our legs,

778
00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:46.719
<v Speaker 1>like a motorcycle.

779
00:46:46.840 --> 00:46:47.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

780
00:46:47.079 --> 00:46:50.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well, and like the number of circles around the

781
00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:52.960
<v Speaker 2>center of the spiral, that's how the distance.

782
00:46:52.679 --> 00:46:55.559
<v Speaker 1>That kind of represents like how high up or something.

783
00:46:55.360 --> 00:46:58.320
<v Speaker 2>Or how far? Yeah, how far? And you can go

784
00:46:58.400 --> 00:47:00.639
<v Speaker 2>if you go up and it's clock UIs and that's

785
00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:05.400
<v Speaker 2>up and the other way then it's down. So yeah,

786
00:47:05.440 --> 00:47:07.840
<v Speaker 2>and it doesn't mean like going spirals down. It means

787
00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:10.480
<v Speaker 2>go down and then you're gonna head off this direction

788
00:47:10.880 --> 00:47:12.760
<v Speaker 2>and at the point where the dot is you can

789
00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:14.199
<v Speaker 2>expect to find something else.

790
00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:17.039
<v Speaker 1>Crazy. It's like a treasure map kind.

791
00:47:16.840 --> 00:47:21.119
<v Speaker 2>Of, but there's no The treasure is the information on

792
00:47:21.199 --> 00:47:24.280
<v Speaker 2>the panel at the end. Yeah, so this, I mean

793
00:47:24.320 --> 00:47:26.039
<v Speaker 2>when I started doing this, I wanted to find more.

794
00:47:26.320 --> 00:47:27.679
<v Speaker 2>I think I'm going to try to find it and

795
00:47:27.719 --> 00:47:30.920
<v Speaker 2>buy this book. It's called The Rocks Begin to Speak,

796
00:47:31.400 --> 00:47:33.760
<v Speaker 2>and there are first edition, second edition, I think a

797
00:47:33.760 --> 00:47:36.480
<v Speaker 2>third edition, but anyway, you can find it on Amazon.

798
00:47:36.760 --> 00:47:39.920
<v Speaker 2>They're a little bit pricey because there are not tons

799
00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:42.280
<v Speaker 2>of them in print, but if you want to find it,

800
00:47:42.280 --> 00:47:44.679
<v Speaker 2>it's called The Rocks Begin to Speak.

801
00:47:44.840 --> 00:47:48.599
<v Speaker 1>It's called Spank Spanky Rocks.

802
00:47:49.440 --> 00:47:55.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's called The Rocks Again to Spank Bottom, The

803
00:47:55.119 --> 00:47:58.960
<v Speaker 2>Rocks Begin to Speak. Anyway, it details his journey and

804
00:47:59.159 --> 00:48:01.960
<v Speaker 2>his life is fat. You can get online google him.

805
00:48:02.440 --> 00:48:05.760
<v Speaker 2>You'll find all kinds of information. He had a fascinating life.

806
00:48:05.880 --> 00:48:07.719
<v Speaker 2>You know, I don't know how much deeper we want

807
00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:10.199
<v Speaker 2>to go into this, because we're getting to the point

808
00:48:10.199 --> 00:48:13.320
<v Speaker 2>now we're starting to to scratch the surface on what

809
00:48:13.519 --> 00:48:18.280
<v Speaker 2>some of the possibilities, right, Yeah, totally good petroglyph, petri

810
00:48:19.079 --> 00:48:21.320
<v Speaker 2>pictographs for pain, and pick your.

811
00:48:21.320 --> 00:48:27.960
<v Speaker 4>Grap rock scratch, rock scratch, Yeah, okay, pe Yes, we're

812
00:48:27.960 --> 00:48:30.800
<v Speaker 4>gonna start talking about not only the communication of a

813
00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:36.199
<v Speaker 4>very elaborate iconographic system, idea, ideological, or what.

814
00:48:36.559 --> 00:48:37.480
<v Speaker 2>There's another word.

815
00:48:39.039 --> 00:48:40.440
<v Speaker 1>There. It's weird.

816
00:48:40.519 --> 00:48:42.559
<v Speaker 2>All these things kind of sound the same. We're not scientists,

817
00:48:42.559 --> 00:48:49.960
<v Speaker 2>so we don't use them every day. You got ideograms, ideographic, iconic, iconography,

818
00:48:50.599 --> 00:48:52.199
<v Speaker 2>you got all these words that kind of mean the

819
00:48:52.280 --> 00:48:54.960
<v Speaker 2>same thing. And when you discover that this stuff is

820
00:48:55.079 --> 00:48:58.440
<v Speaker 2>kind of that stuff, it starts getting kind of exciting,

821
00:48:59.400 --> 00:49:01.719
<v Speaker 2>and then you start throwing in some other things we

822
00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:05.679
<v Speaker 2>know about these Native American tribes and their mythologies and

823
00:49:05.719 --> 00:49:08.920
<v Speaker 2>their religions, and then we're starting to get into something

824
00:49:08.960 --> 00:49:14.239
<v Speaker 2>that's a little bit deeper, and some of these iconographic

825
00:49:14.639 --> 00:49:21.039
<v Speaker 2>idiograms are representative of their religious and mystical belief systems

826
00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:25.960
<v Speaker 2>that include all of these very strange things. And that's

827
00:49:26.000 --> 00:49:28.199
<v Speaker 2>where we're going to go on the next episode. We're

828
00:49:28.199 --> 00:49:31.000
<v Speaker 2>gonna go down that rabbit hole, and that's gonna be

829
00:49:31.039 --> 00:49:33.719
<v Speaker 2>really fun. I mean, this is fun. Who'd have thought,

830
00:49:33.920 --> 00:49:37.199
<v Speaker 2>thinking about stupid rocks out in the field that you

831
00:49:37.199 --> 00:49:40.280
<v Speaker 2>would start, you know, unraveling a mystery. It's like you're

832
00:49:40.360 --> 00:49:44.760
<v Speaker 2>unwrapping these ideas and concepts that you never even knew

833
00:49:44.760 --> 00:49:47.960
<v Speaker 2>were there, and you maybe have even seen a around

834
00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:48.840
<v Speaker 2>all over the place.

835
00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:52.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so let's say you come up with a really

836
00:49:52.280 --> 00:49:59.480
<v Speaker 1>visual system and you just kind of look at a petroglyph.

837
00:49:59.039 --> 00:50:01.320
<v Speaker 2>Petrick, griff, petro glyph.

838
00:50:01.039 --> 00:50:02.960
<v Speaker 1>Glyph, glyph. I had it right. I don't know why

839
00:50:02.960 --> 00:50:04.119
<v Speaker 1>I want to say griff.

840
00:50:03.800 --> 00:50:08.519
<v Speaker 2>Remember petro rock, petrick, Peter small rock, and glyph meaning

841
00:50:08.639 --> 00:50:10.199
<v Speaker 2>to scratch at your chi.

842
00:50:10.360 --> 00:50:12.159
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I would never be like, oh, I'm

843
00:50:12.239 --> 00:50:13.360
<v Speaker 1>just glyphing.

844
00:50:13.920 --> 00:50:16.239
<v Speaker 2>But we're glyphing in this podcast.

845
00:50:16.440 --> 00:50:20.360
<v Speaker 1>Let's just say you take like a very visual a

846
00:50:20.440 --> 00:50:23.760
<v Speaker 1>system to look at petroc glyphs.

847
00:50:23.960 --> 00:50:26.000
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so you just walk up to.

848
00:50:26.000 --> 00:50:31.440
<v Speaker 1>It, You look at a specific thing and then that representation,

849
00:50:31.760 --> 00:50:34.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, whatever that makes you kind of think of first.

850
00:50:34.239 --> 00:50:38.199
<v Speaker 1>Is your translation right? It would probably be if you

851
00:50:38.239 --> 00:50:41.599
<v Speaker 1>went that route, you didn't really have a system as

852
00:50:41.639 --> 00:50:44.199
<v Speaker 1>much as you just went with your first instinct, you'd

853
00:50:44.239 --> 00:50:47.000
<v Speaker 1>probably be pretty close to what they were thinking. Yeah,

854
00:50:47.039 --> 00:50:49.159
<v Speaker 1>you know, let's say you see a four legged stick

855
00:50:49.199 --> 00:50:53.199
<v Speaker 1>figure with sticks coming out of its head, dear elk Moose.

856
00:50:53.800 --> 00:50:55.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what else you'd think of it. As

857
00:50:56.480 --> 00:50:57.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, you're not gonna say a guy on all

858
00:50:57.880 --> 00:51:01.039
<v Speaker 1>fours with sticks tied to his four That doesn't make

859
00:51:01.039 --> 00:51:04.199
<v Speaker 1>any sense. So you're kind of you're gonna make these leaps.

860
00:51:04.960 --> 00:51:06.920
<v Speaker 1>And if you were to just go to these places

861
00:51:07.679 --> 00:51:10.400
<v Speaker 1>look at these things like in the future. I've seen

862
00:51:10.440 --> 00:51:12.840
<v Speaker 1>some of these petroglyphs that are on some of these

863
00:51:12.920 --> 00:51:15.639
<v Speaker 1>rocks that we're gonna talk about later, and I'm like,

864
00:51:15.679 --> 00:51:17.440
<v Speaker 1>if you just go with the first thing that comes

865
00:51:17.480 --> 00:51:18.960
<v Speaker 1>to your head after seeing y, it's going to be

866
00:51:19.079 --> 00:51:20.400
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna be messed up.

867
00:51:21.599 --> 00:51:24.239
<v Speaker 2>It's true, it's well. And here's another thing, you know,

868
00:51:24.760 --> 00:51:28.559
<v Speaker 2>kind of down that line. Because we're in a Western culture,

869
00:51:29.320 --> 00:51:32.920
<v Speaker 2>we read from left to right mm hmm. So when

870
00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:35.719
<v Speaker 2>we see an image, we naturally go from left to right. Now,

871
00:51:35.719 --> 00:51:38.440
<v Speaker 2>if you're in some Eastern culture, you go right.

872
00:51:38.239 --> 00:51:39.519
<v Speaker 1>To left, top to bottom.

873
00:51:39.639 --> 00:51:42.320
<v Speaker 2>So what do you do in a Native American culture

874
00:51:42.360 --> 00:51:44.320
<v Speaker 2>of two three four thousand years ago?

875
00:51:44.960 --> 00:51:46.280
<v Speaker 1>Whatever feels right.

876
00:51:46.840 --> 00:51:51.800
<v Speaker 2>And that's really close because there is no specific way

877
00:51:51.880 --> 00:51:53.400
<v Speaker 2>to read it. You read the hole.

878
00:51:54.519 --> 00:51:57.360
<v Speaker 1>That's like I was saying, it's not linear it's not linear.

879
00:51:57.480 --> 00:51:59.199
<v Speaker 1>It can't be linear, and there are.

880
00:51:59.119 --> 00:52:02.760
<v Speaker 2>Clumps of information, and maybe the more dense the clumps

881
00:52:02.840 --> 00:52:07.199
<v Speaker 2>are the more important waiting factors of that image. So

882
00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:11.079
<v Speaker 2>it's very fascinating and I don't know. We're going to

883
00:52:11.079 --> 00:52:13.639
<v Speaker 2>get in more detail on this stuff, and we're going

884
00:52:13.719 --> 00:52:15.519
<v Speaker 2>to do more research over the next couple of weeks

885
00:52:15.519 --> 00:52:17.519
<v Speaker 2>to try to make sure we're you know, we're trying

886
00:52:17.519 --> 00:52:21.079
<v Speaker 2>to be accurate, and some of this stuff is definitely debatable,

887
00:52:22.280 --> 00:52:27.400
<v Speaker 2>and like we said anything, but I hope you will

888
00:52:27.440 --> 00:52:31.679
<v Speaker 2>continue to join us in this journey and maybe we're

889
00:52:31.679 --> 00:52:33.639
<v Speaker 2>doing some legwork that you don't have the time or

890
00:52:33.679 --> 00:52:36.719
<v Speaker 2>desire to necessarily do, but still have an itch to know,

891
00:52:37.480 --> 00:52:39.639
<v Speaker 2>and hopefully we'll be able to scratch a few of

892
00:52:39.719 --> 00:52:40.360
<v Speaker 2>your itches.

893
00:52:41.559 --> 00:52:44.199
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to scratch anybody thatches with this toilet

894
00:52:44.199 --> 00:52:45.440
<v Speaker 1>paper going on.

895
00:52:45.599 --> 00:52:50.320
<v Speaker 2>This is true and not with literal fingers. Oh yeah, okay, yeah,

896
00:52:50.320 --> 00:52:50.800
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna s.

897
00:52:50.960 --> 00:52:53.360
<v Speaker 1>So you're saying scratching somebody's itch would kind of be

898
00:52:53.440 --> 00:52:57.079
<v Speaker 1>like a representation of what we plan on doing, like

899
00:52:57.119 --> 00:52:58.000
<v Speaker 1>an idiot greet.

900
00:52:58.159 --> 00:53:02.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I could draw a f you're scratching. So yeah,

901
00:53:02.199 --> 00:53:03.239
<v Speaker 2>so there you go.

902
00:53:04.159 --> 00:53:06.480
<v Speaker 1>Anyway. Yeah, I feel embarrassed saying.

903
00:53:06.199 --> 00:53:07.800
<v Speaker 2>That I kind of do. I feel dirty.

904
00:53:07.840 --> 00:53:08.480
<v Speaker 1>I feel dirty.

905
00:53:08.480 --> 00:53:09.039
<v Speaker 2>I feel dirty.

906
00:53:09.079 --> 00:53:10.159
<v Speaker 1>You need to wash my hands.

907
00:53:10.239 --> 00:53:12.119
<v Speaker 2>I need to go shower. I haven't charred for like

908
00:53:12.159 --> 00:53:12.920
<v Speaker 2>a day and a half.

909
00:53:13.199 --> 00:53:15.880
<v Speaker 1>Gross, I know I can tell you I got this

910
00:53:15.920 --> 00:53:17.679
<v Speaker 1>new soap Cypress and cedar.

911
00:53:18.119 --> 00:53:19.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh is that that man soap stuff?

912
00:53:20.199 --> 00:53:20.280
<v Speaker 3>No?

913
00:53:20.639 --> 00:53:24.599
<v Speaker 1>I want to squatch squatch tell him the sad news.

914
00:53:24.679 --> 00:53:25.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, do it.

915
00:53:25.840 --> 00:53:31.199
<v Speaker 1>In a a visual, so like, make make pictures with

916
00:53:31.280 --> 00:53:32.400
<v Speaker 1>the words.

917
00:53:32.159 --> 00:53:37.239
<v Speaker 2>I won't mean you okay, So imagine in your mind

918
00:53:37.920 --> 00:53:41.280
<v Speaker 2>Sadsquatch walking in the woods, and then all of a sudden,

919
00:53:41.400 --> 00:53:46.559
<v Speaker 2>a giant circle enveloped said Scotsquatch clash question Scotch watch

920
00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:51.119
<v Speaker 2>big fund, and then out of nowhere, a line strikes

921
00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:58.760
<v Speaker 2>forth through said sasquatch, a giant knots clusters, which means

922
00:54:00.320 --> 00:54:04.679
<v Speaker 2>Squatch Con twenty twenty in boise Ido has been canceled

923
00:54:04.679 --> 00:54:05.239
<v Speaker 2>this year.

924
00:54:05.760 --> 00:54:11.039
<v Speaker 1>I would do Sasquatch crying one single tear, like I

925
00:54:11.079 --> 00:54:12.280
<v Speaker 1>hate it when people litter.

926
00:54:12.679 --> 00:54:14.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, oh yeah.

927
00:54:14.079 --> 00:54:17.079
<v Speaker 1>And he's got a coronavirus mascot.

928
00:54:18.199 --> 00:54:19.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we gotta combine everything good.

929
00:54:19.920 --> 00:54:26.559
<v Speaker 1>Sasquatch is sad, sad Squatch because sad squatch that looks

930
00:54:26.559 --> 00:54:29.719
<v Speaker 1>like a teacher. Sasquatch is sad because coronavirus cancel.

931
00:54:30.159 --> 00:54:33.679
<v Speaker 2>That's call it sasquatch and a mask with the tears,

932
00:54:33.800 --> 00:54:39.159
<v Speaker 2>and we'll call it sad squatch. But yes, Squatch Con

933
00:54:39.239 --> 00:54:42.400
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty has been canceled in boise Ido. We were

934
00:54:42.440 --> 00:54:45.159
<v Speaker 2>looking forward to being there this year and we were

935
00:54:45.159 --> 00:54:48.079
<v Speaker 2>gonna have some merch that we were gonna like sell

936
00:54:48.159 --> 00:54:51.960
<v Speaker 2>and give away and and just talk to people about weird,

937
00:54:52.079 --> 00:54:54.679
<v Speaker 2>strange things. And it's not gonna happen this year, but

938
00:54:54.880 --> 00:54:55.880
<v Speaker 2>it'll happen next year.

939
00:54:55.920 --> 00:54:58.039
<v Speaker 1>It will happen, and that'll give us time to kind

940
00:54:58.039 --> 00:55:01.360
<v Speaker 1>of get our prepare duck in a row to paint

941
00:55:01.360 --> 00:55:02.280
<v Speaker 1>a picture for you.

942
00:55:02.360 --> 00:55:04.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, ducks in a row.

943
00:55:06.519 --> 00:55:10.760
<v Speaker 1>This topic of rocks is boring his heck okay, no, no, no, no, no.

944
00:55:11.039 --> 00:55:13.639
<v Speaker 2>If you if you were just talking about rock, ye okay.

945
00:55:14.000 --> 00:55:16.280
<v Speaker 1>So people are like, oh, I'm going to watch a

946
00:55:17.119 --> 00:55:22.639
<v Speaker 1>Discovery Channel episode about rocks with scratches on them. That's

947
00:55:23.079 --> 00:55:26.239
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't watch that, what if they had rock? I'm

948
00:55:26.280 --> 00:55:28.320
<v Speaker 1>just telling you sure, I'm in charge here.

949
00:55:28.320 --> 00:55:30.719
<v Speaker 2>How about an icon of Bigfoot on a.

950
00:55:30.719 --> 00:55:36.239
<v Speaker 4>Rock because there you're if you're just backing up, I'm

951
00:55:36.599 --> 00:55:37.679
<v Speaker 4>drinking my beer while you talk.

952
00:55:37.719 --> 00:55:42.239
<v Speaker 1>Go yeah, I think you're seriously making that in the way.

953
00:55:43.000 --> 00:55:46.679
<v Speaker 1>But if you were to, if you were to, I

954
00:55:46.719 --> 00:55:49.920
<v Speaker 1>can't think with that awful rackets.

955
00:55:50.119 --> 00:55:51.880
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I got three drinks. That's all I needed.

956
00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:58.360
<v Speaker 1>Go okay. So the whole idea of like studying the

957
00:55:58.599 --> 00:56:03.079
<v Speaker 1>rocks with scratches on them is not super entertaining to

958
00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:06.119
<v Speaker 1>most people, right.

959
00:56:06.079 --> 00:56:08.360
<v Speaker 2>I can't understand how that's a possibility.

960
00:56:08.400 --> 00:56:11.239
<v Speaker 1>But go on, if you were like, you know, here,

961
00:56:11.400 --> 00:56:16.079
<v Speaker 1>we have a rock with three scratches. Nobody's gonna watch

962
00:56:16.119 --> 00:56:20.519
<v Speaker 1>that Discovery Channel episode. But if you were to give

963
00:56:20.559 --> 00:56:24.719
<v Speaker 1>them a teaser and you use your words to represent

964
00:56:24.840 --> 00:56:27.880
<v Speaker 1>what might be down the line on your rock, you

965
00:56:27.920 --> 00:56:30.800
<v Speaker 1>paint you scratched me a rock with your words. I'm

966
00:56:30.800 --> 00:56:33.639
<v Speaker 1>a rock scratcher of what might be dwelling in the

967
00:56:33.679 --> 00:56:38.199
<v Speaker 1>future of our petroglyph endeavor.

968
00:56:38.719 --> 00:56:41.800
<v Speaker 2>So you're asking me to use words to describe what

969
00:56:41.880 --> 00:56:43.760
<v Speaker 2>we might be talking about in the future in a

970
00:56:43.760 --> 00:56:46.559
<v Speaker 2>way that's not phonetically driven but more visually driven.

971
00:56:46.599 --> 00:56:50.880
<v Speaker 1>Don't don't worry about being linear, but maybe just go

972
00:56:50.960 --> 00:56:55.119
<v Speaker 1>all like a visual get rid of your western mind

973
00:56:55.639 --> 00:56:57.800
<v Speaker 1>and just embrace the Eastern mindset.

974
00:56:57.840 --> 00:57:02.360
<v Speaker 2>I was visualizing something to like hook people to come

975
00:57:02.400 --> 00:57:09.079
<v Speaker 2>back and listen to our next episode. I would see

976
00:57:09.440 --> 00:57:24.079
<v Speaker 2>giant pedagraphic elements and strange looking creatures appearing to descend

977
00:57:24.920 --> 00:57:30.840
<v Speaker 2>from the nether regions high above or potentially through portals.

978
00:57:34.639 --> 00:57:35.719
<v Speaker 2>Is that what you were thinking of?

979
00:57:37.199 --> 00:57:37.239
<v Speaker 3>Was?

980
00:57:37.519 --> 00:57:38.199
<v Speaker 1>I was in there.

981
00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:41.119
<v Speaker 2>I was in the zone and my eyes closed, I

982
00:57:41.159 --> 00:57:42.880
<v Speaker 2>was thinking about it. I was totally seen it in

983
00:57:42.960 --> 00:57:43.360
<v Speaker 2>my head.

984
00:57:48.440 --> 00:57:53.679
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, your voice and your eyes closed, change your pleasant smile,

985
00:57:53.880 --> 00:57:57.840
<v Speaker 1>of tranquility of body experience.

986
00:57:58.039 --> 00:57:59.599
<v Speaker 2>I did kind of feel euphoria.

987
00:58:00.320 --> 00:58:03.599
<v Speaker 1>He took a rip off some baote. He was just

988
00:58:03.800 --> 00:58:06.199
<v Speaker 1>up in the another regions.

989
00:58:06.280 --> 00:58:10.880
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, Yes, there are fun things coming, and we're going

990
00:58:10.960 --> 00:58:15.840
<v Speaker 2>to go into some strange lands with this. And you

991
00:58:15.840 --> 00:58:18.840
<v Speaker 2>know what's really weird about it is we're going to

992
00:58:18.920 --> 00:58:22.000
<v Speaker 2>go places where we've kind of already touched on before.

993
00:58:22.360 --> 00:58:23.960
<v Speaker 1>We've already touched those places.

994
00:58:25.960 --> 00:58:33.119
<v Speaker 2>We scratched that itch. Okay, we must stop. It's getting late.

995
00:58:33.199 --> 00:58:36.000
<v Speaker 2>We've had a couple to drink, and now it's time

996
00:58:36.039 --> 00:58:38.639
<v Speaker 2>to go to bed. But anyway, I wanted to just

997
00:58:38.719 --> 00:58:41.920
<v Speaker 2>say thank you for those that have been patronizing us

998
00:58:42.039 --> 00:58:45.119
<v Speaker 2>by listening to our podcast, please continue to do so,

999
00:58:45.960 --> 00:58:48.599
<v Speaker 2>and you know, share us if you like us at all,

1000
00:58:48.880 --> 00:58:50.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, go ahead and share us to your friends,

1001
00:58:50.760 --> 00:58:53.920
<v Speaker 2>and we'll try to keep it light hearted. We're trying

1002
00:58:53.960 --> 00:58:57.000
<v Speaker 2>to be open. We don't want to be We don't

1003
00:58:57.039 --> 00:58:58.760
<v Speaker 2>want to be those people that have, like you know,

1004
00:58:58.920 --> 00:59:01.559
<v Speaker 2>secret knowledge that we're to keep away and that people

1005
00:59:01.639 --> 00:59:03.639
<v Speaker 2>have to have a special extra equtions to.

1006
00:59:03.960 --> 00:59:05.840
<v Speaker 1>Good word to describe us as.

1007
00:59:05.960 --> 00:59:11.079
<v Speaker 2>Goobers goobers, but we're but we're honest, open goobers.

1008
00:59:11.440 --> 00:59:14.559
<v Speaker 1>I think goobers are too hon us sometimes maybe.

1009
00:59:14.519 --> 00:59:16.760
<v Speaker 2>And that might hurt us in the long run. But

1010
00:59:17.800 --> 00:59:21.960
<v Speaker 2>just enjoy the ride, yep, and hopefully we'll be taking

1011
00:59:22.000 --> 00:59:24.880
<v Speaker 2>you with us on strange adventures in the near future.

1012
00:59:24.920 --> 00:59:28.559
<v Speaker 2>We've got the new ramp for the box van and

1013
00:59:28.639 --> 00:59:31.639
<v Speaker 2>the motorcycles can now be loaded. I think we need

1014
00:59:31.679 --> 00:59:34.679
<v Speaker 2>to add a couple tie down straps and that's about it,

1015
00:59:35.400 --> 00:59:37.519
<v Speaker 2>and we're going to be out looking at a couple

1016
00:59:37.559 --> 00:59:41.079
<v Speaker 2>of these locations. A few of the locations if you

1017
00:59:41.119 --> 00:59:43.480
<v Speaker 2>want to do a little research, look at the Bennett

1018
00:59:43.559 --> 00:59:48.280
<v Speaker 2>Hills in southern Idaho around Gooding. There are a lot

1019
00:59:48.280 --> 00:59:52.559
<v Speaker 2>of Petrocliffs over there, and it's a fascinating place. You

1020
00:59:52.599 --> 00:59:56.360
<v Speaker 2>can look at the other spot that we said, what

1021
00:59:56.400 --> 00:59:57.920
<v Speaker 2>did I call that? It's a weird I want to

1022
00:59:57.920 --> 00:59:59.159
<v Speaker 2>say Warby's, but it's not.

1023
00:59:59.239 --> 01:00:01.519
<v Speaker 1>Warbies can't come into the wet today.

1024
01:00:01.840 --> 01:00:05.440
<v Speaker 2>The case of the web, it's weeze Bar, not Warbes.

1025
01:00:05.519 --> 01:00:10.000
<v Speaker 2>Weez Bar it is and it's it's just this place

1026
01:00:10.039 --> 01:00:13.079
<v Speaker 2>sitting out the middle of nowhere by an old farmstead

1027
01:00:13.400 --> 01:00:15.960
<v Speaker 2>that has these rocks in the middle of this field

1028
01:00:16.039 --> 01:00:18.159
<v Speaker 2>that have petroglyphs carved all over them.

1029
01:00:18.440 --> 01:00:20.079
<v Speaker 1>Where is that?

1030
01:00:20.199 --> 01:00:26.719
<v Speaker 2>Roughly it's about three two or three miles east along

1031
01:00:26.760 --> 01:00:32.960
<v Speaker 2>the Snake River from Celebration Point, which is about five

1032
01:00:33.119 --> 01:00:38.360
<v Speaker 2>miles east of map Rock on map Rock Road.

1033
01:00:38.599 --> 01:00:43.400
<v Speaker 1>Which is roughly thirty five feet from Scary Rattlesnake Bush.

1034
01:00:43.519 --> 01:00:46.679
<v Speaker 2>Yes, Scary Rattlesnake Bush. We're going to do an iconographic

1035
01:00:46.840 --> 01:00:51.079
<v Speaker 2>kind of idiogram on a rock to celebrate our encounter

1036
01:00:51.159 --> 01:00:55.920
<v Speaker 2>with the Great Rattlesnake, the Great Snake. I can't do

1037
01:00:55.960 --> 01:00:59.719
<v Speaker 2>it very good. Yeah, that's way better. But that was

1038
01:00:59.719 --> 01:01:01.000
<v Speaker 2>a weird thing.

1039
01:01:01.119 --> 01:01:01.320
<v Speaker 3>You know.

1040
01:01:01.760 --> 01:01:02.840
<v Speaker 2>I'll never forget.

1041
01:01:02.519 --> 01:01:03.760
<v Speaker 1>About myself for that one.

1042
01:01:03.840 --> 01:01:06.480
<v Speaker 2>That was good. That's one of those things that's scary

1043
01:01:06.599 --> 01:01:08.840
<v Speaker 2>enough that kind of you won't forget it.

1044
01:01:08.880 --> 01:01:14.079
<v Speaker 1>I should have shot it. Okay, there's no reason to

1045
01:01:14.159 --> 01:01:17.239
<v Speaker 1>leave a poisonous snake in an area that kids will

1046
01:01:17.280 --> 01:01:22.199
<v Speaker 1>be playing her They gophers, that's fine.

1047
01:01:22.079 --> 01:01:26.000
<v Speaker 2>Gophers spread disease. It did kind of terrify me because

1048
01:01:26.119 --> 01:01:28.840
<v Speaker 2>if some little kid, two year old running out there

1049
01:01:28.880 --> 01:01:29.840
<v Speaker 2>playing with the.

1050
01:01:30.119 --> 01:01:35.760
<v Speaker 1>Rock and daddy I just pictured my kid instead of you. Yeah,

1051
01:01:35.920 --> 01:01:38.039
<v Speaker 1>he wouldn't have seen it. He'd have ran right through

1052
01:01:38.079 --> 01:01:39.760
<v Speaker 1>it and probably been snack.

1053
01:01:40.159 --> 01:01:43.519
<v Speaker 2>And that's the danger of that kind of stuff. I mean, yeah,

1054
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<v Speaker 2>be careful. Maybe you should wear pants. We didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>We were just freaking full Native American tribal loincloth in it.

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<v Speaker 1>No pants at all.

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't wearing a loincloth. I had Calvin kleins. Okay,

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01:02:01.079 --> 01:02:01.480
<v Speaker 2>that's bad.

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<v Speaker 3>All right.

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<v Speaker 2>On that note, on that image, let's go ahead and

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01:02:05.239 --> 01:02:08.320
<v Speaker 2>close this thing out. Anything else we want.

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<v Speaker 1>To say, don't forget Sheriffs to sheriff.

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<v Speaker 2>Likeus, like us.

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<v Speaker 1>That's time.

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<v Speaker 2>I was watching you know, the psych Yes, like Sherifface

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01:02:20.039 --> 01:02:23.280
<v Speaker 2>and likeas like liking, and he was talking about he

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<v Speaker 2>was talking about the Bible, and he was talking about Genesis,

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<v Speaker 2>do the right thing. That's so awesome. I forgot about that.

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<v Speaker 1>I laughed, So I think the whole phrase is Samson,

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01:02:41.559 --> 01:02:44.800
<v Speaker 1>ordinary dwarf in mouth who must find his way back

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<v Speaker 1>to Wolverhampton. And then Gus is like, no, Sampson, the

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<v Speaker 1>legendary figure from the Bible. You read a Bible, Sean,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he's like, I do read the Bible. Genesis, Exorcist, Leviathan,

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<v Speaker 1>do the right thing. That's a good.

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<v Speaker 2>If you guys want to watch a fun show and

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<v Speaker 2>you haven't seen it before, what psych Yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>there as it is really good. They just don't have its. Okay,

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01:03:22.039 --> 01:03:23.119
<v Speaker 2>that's enough of this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get out. Like us on Facebook and Instagram, Twitter,

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01:03:28.840 --> 01:03:31.559
<v Speaker 1>follow us, do the do the things you do with

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<v Speaker 1>social media.

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<v Speaker 2>And we're also on I started, I should say, we

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01:03:35.599 --> 01:03:39.599
<v Speaker 2>started a new group page on Facebook where you can

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<v Speaker 2>share your strange things that you run.

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01:03:41.440 --> 01:03:45.800
<v Speaker 1>Into to America, you guys, get it. And then and

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01:03:45.840 --> 01:03:48.760
<v Speaker 1>then Stitcher, iTunes.

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01:03:48.719 --> 01:03:55.199
<v Speaker 2>Cast, bodcast box, Google play, iTunes, all right, podcast whatever that.

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<v Speaker 1>Is, all all of those formats on all of them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like us, follow it.

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01:04:00.679 --> 01:04:03.800
<v Speaker 1>And rate us, Yeah, give us reviews. We want going

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01:04:03.880 --> 01:04:06.320
<v Speaker 1>to hear those things. If it's a zero star review,

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01:04:07.199 --> 01:04:09.559
<v Speaker 1>you can't do that. Yeah, but they give us five

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01:04:09.719 --> 01:04:11.360
<v Speaker 1>because if you go all the way to the end,

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01:04:11.360 --> 01:04:13.840
<v Speaker 1>there's probably a zero. So just give us five. Yeah, yeah,

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01:04:14.079 --> 01:04:16.400
<v Speaker 1>give us five, and then leave a really bad comment

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01:04:16.719 --> 01:04:18.880
<v Speaker 1>and then you do the drama a picture.

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<v Speaker 2>Go ahead, get online, and also you know, follow us

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01:04:22.280 --> 01:04:24.320
<v Speaker 2>on Facebook. I mean, it's something that you can do,

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01:04:24.400 --> 01:04:27.920
<v Speaker 2>and we put information on there. And also our website,

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<v Speaker 2>a strange thing dot com. We've got a blog there.

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01:04:30.760 --> 01:04:33.119
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you noticed. I don't go there,

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01:04:33.519 --> 01:04:35.880
<v Speaker 2>try to update the blog. I do all the work

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<v Speaker 2>on this. You come over, drink beer and talk into

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01:04:38.480 --> 01:04:41.440
<v Speaker 2>a microfile. That's why they pay them. I should give

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01:04:41.480 --> 01:04:44.719
<v Speaker 2>you moderation control over some of it, and like delegate

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<v Speaker 2>some of the responsibility.

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<v Speaker 1>You could, but you'd be let down significantly every single time.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, well that happy note, Austin. Since you're such

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<v Speaker 2>a contributor, why don't you go ahead and close us out?

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<v Speaker 1>Hmm, So join us next time for some cold drinks

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<v Speaker 1>and some strange conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>Bye guys.

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