Speaker 1: Baby my game statue. It takes a little tangle.
Speaker 2: That's what.
Speaker 3: Gatch baby game statue.
Speaker 4: For the warning, this podcast is designed to take you
Speaker 4: outside of your comfort zone and make you question reality.
Speaker 4: Listener discretion is a vibek Fellas.
Speaker 5: This ain't my first time at the rodeo. We don't
Speaker 5: talk any more.
Speaker 3: We don't talk any more, but we don't talk any more.
Speaker 6: Welcome to the Occult Rejects.
Speaker 7: This episode, we got a bunch of rejects with us
Speaker 7: and a returning guest, Alexander. It was awesome guest the
Speaker 7: last time we had him on, and I really wanted
Speaker 7: to get him on again.
Speaker 6: And we already got other topics for him to talk about.
Speaker 7: So this should be fun and get used to it.
Speaker 6: We'll be on again.
Speaker 7: But before we introduce him, let me introduce the rejects.
Speaker 7: We got Julia back with us today.
Speaker 6: What is going on? Julia? It's great to see you again.
Speaker 8: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 5: Nick.
Speaker 9: I am meeting Alexander for the first time today, so
Speaker 9: excited to be a part of the conversation.
Speaker 8: Thanks for having me, of course, thank you.
Speaker 6: And we got Ethan Indigo. What is going on? Sir?
Speaker 1: Peace on Earth?
Speaker 2: Honor to be here with everyone. Great to learn what
Speaker 2: Alexander said today, and I'm on all the usual social
Speaker 2: media easy to find.
Speaker 7: Thanks Nick everyone, of course, no, thank you for making
Speaker 7: it my man and we got my boy Tyrone.
Speaker 6: What is going on, sir? How are you?
Speaker 10: What's going on? This is like the fourth or fifth time.
Speaker 10: And then talk to Alexander. It's always a pleasure to intelligent. Yeah, right,
Speaker 10: it's very It's always an awesome time to you know,
Speaker 10: sit back and listen to what he has to share
Speaker 10: from his uh through his journey of educating himself and
Speaker 10: so on and so forth. Everything you can find on
Speaker 10: myself is on Rebirth of theWord dot com. Also have
Speaker 10: a book, Journey through the Origins of History that's on Amazon.
Speaker 6: Of course I knew that some people would forget.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you. I appreciate her.
Speaker 10: I appreciate that. I got Ethan's book right here, how
Speaker 10: to Meditate, the Geometry of Energy, How to Meditate.
Speaker 1: You got to get his book.
Speaker 10: And then of course I got Alexander's but I got
Speaker 10: that too.
Speaker 6: But I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: I'm ready to get it started.
Speaker 7: Well, No, thank you, I'm glad you. I'm glad you
Speaker 7: joined us. And we got the Headless Giant. What is
Speaker 7: going on?
Speaker 6: Bud?
Speaker 2: Hey?
Speaker 11: You doing everybody? It's beautiful Saturday. I'm glad to be
Speaker 11: on here with Alex Andrew. He sounds like a legend.
Speaker 11: I can't believe I've been sleeping on this. I'm ready
Speaker 11: to see it. You can find me on YouTube and
Speaker 11: X look for a Headless Giant And if you have
Speaker 11: any weird occult stories, you can send them to my
Speaker 11: email at the Headless Giant Podcast at gmail dot com
Speaker 11: and we will read those out on Thursday nights. So
Speaker 11: check that out. Thank you forget Trialogus tomorrow with Ethan,
Speaker 11: So it's gonna be good.
Speaker 7: Hell yeah, definitely check out the trialog And if you
Speaker 7: got any stories to Headless, throwing your address in there
Speaker 7: and I'll send you some free stickies for the story,
Speaker 7: you know, So make it worth it worth your while
Speaker 7: to send an email.
Speaker 6: All right, Jena Ninja, what is going on? Friday?
Speaker 1: Hey boss? What's up?
Speaker 12: Mister ninety three? Okay, So if you want to follow me,
Speaker 12: I'm not woucom. We're Born to be uk O and
Speaker 12: g Reborn. That's my personal account on Twitter, or you
Speaker 12: can follow the show at Threshold Saints Thresholds, Saint's Apple
Speaker 12: and Spotify and all your podcast providers. My episode with
Speaker 12: Jadavid Osborne, will I think drop tonight. I think that's
Speaker 12: what I said it for, so yeah, that's happening. And
Speaker 12: then also thank you so much for inviting me. And
Speaker 12: then also is my second time speaking with Alexander, and
Speaker 12: I want to also shout out of course the Gray Lodge, which.
Speaker 1: Is kind of taking off.
Speaker 12: So we do have a YouTube channel now and we
Speaker 12: do big spaces and we get really good numbers.
Speaker 1: So if you're.
Speaker 12: Interested in speculative ontology, speculative narcissism, speculative cali chakra which
Speaker 12: is basically just tontra. But if you're interested in those, yes,
Speaker 12: you can subscribe to the Gray loadge YouTube channel and
Speaker 12: all of our episodes are uploaded, including and the Daughter,
Speaker 12: so awesome, great work to the boys there, and yeah,
Speaker 12: I'm really excited.
Speaker 7: Thank you of course, no, thank you, And people definitely
Speaker 7: go check out his great lunch stuff. I highly suggested
Speaker 7: before we introduce the guests, though, I did want you
Speaker 7: to bring up I had mentioned before about the free
Speaker 7: stickers with head lists. I got free stickers with people
Speaker 7: if they want any. We could see him too well
Speaker 7: up there. I'll send those out for you. And we
Speaker 7: got t shirts that have that in the Silent Rainbow
Speaker 7: logo on them as well that I'm selling to try
Speaker 7: to help with the events that we have that'll list
Speaker 7: real quick. We gotta have a bunch of events that
Speaker 7: the occult rejects will be at. Tyrone will be there
Speaker 7: at most of them, and hopefully some other rejects might
Speaker 7: show up at the other one's fingers crossed. October fourth,
Speaker 7: we got a big Foot thing at the Factory and Franklin,
Speaker 7: North Carolina, we'll be there. October eighteenth, we got Charlie's
Speaker 7: Beyond Belief and that is in Fort Myers, Florida, and
Speaker 7: it's at a Masonic lodge and we are booth number
Speaker 7: thirty three. I had to pick that one, so yeah,
Speaker 7: they let us pick our boots. I was like, of course,
Speaker 7: I'm gonna pick thirty three. You know it's either that
Speaker 7: at seventeen. So yeah, we got that booth and that's yeah,
Speaker 7: October eighteenth and Fort Myers again, Charlie's Beyond Belief, and
Speaker 7: then October twenty fifth and twenty six will be in
Speaker 7: Arkansas and that will be at the Paranormal Expo. It's
Speaker 7: supposed to be like the biggest yearly thing for the
Speaker 7: paranormal in Arkansas.
Speaker 6: That is two days. We'll be there then.
Speaker 7: And then there's one confirmed for the twenty second that
Speaker 7: is another UF thing, and that will be in Mooresville,
Speaker 7: North Carolina at the Army National Guard. There's two other ones,
Speaker 7: but I don't have like definite addresses, but those are
Speaker 7: definitely will have a booth that Tyrone will probably be
Speaker 7: at most of them, except for maybe the Arkansas thing.
Speaker 7: Jewels may make it from uh he said, you know,
Speaker 7: he's gonna try to make it.
Speaker 6: He lives not too.
Speaker 7: Far away, so yeah, fingers crossed. There will be a
Speaker 7: few other rejects there besides me. And these are old
Speaker 7: cheap events. They are like ten or fifteen dollars each,
Speaker 7: so even if you don't like us, you could show
Speaker 7: up to tell us to go fuck off for ten
Speaker 7: books so or even put it this way, they're so
Speaker 7: cheap that if the speakers suck, you could just hang
Speaker 7: out with us at the booth for a while.
Speaker 6: No, there you go, so regardless, I think it's worth
Speaker 6: it if you're in the area.
Speaker 7: Now I'm gonna shut up, and we're gonna bring on
Speaker 7: Alexander and real quick. He did send me his book.
Speaker 7: Very nice guy. He sent me a wait, I gotta
Speaker 7: close this note tablet. There we go. Yeah, send me
Speaker 7: this book. I just got it a few days ago.
Speaker 7: That's what's up. I'm definitely gonna check it out. Thank you, Alexander,
Speaker 7: and please let everybody know what your deal is for
Speaker 7: the people that don't know who you are.
Speaker 5: Yes, my name is Alexandroskevich and I'm from Poland. I'm
Speaker 5: we would say, researcher, and I'm an author. This book
Speaker 5: that I've sent you, originally in Polish, was written by
Speaker 5: me just at the age of seventeen, and then because
Speaker 5: of the law, I needed to wait until the eighteenth
Speaker 5: birthday to publish it. So it was published first in
Speaker 5: Poland at my age of eighteen, and then I translated
Speaker 5: it into English at nineteen. So it was many people say,
Speaker 5: early journey into all of that. But still it's, you know,
Speaker 5: a full book, No, like just some short crap like
Speaker 5: nowadays Amazon and other platforms are flooded with some short
Speaker 5: AI crab. No, it was even before the age of AI.
Speaker 5: I think two years or three years ago. Appeared, So
Speaker 5: it was before that, and my first interest was history,
Speaker 5: lost history, how it really turned out, lost civilizations? Could
Speaker 5: there be something before you know, the alleged first civilizations
Speaker 5: like ancient Sunmu Egypt and in a But I went
Speaker 5: beyond it because in order to understand history, you need
Speaker 5: also other branches of science and a lot of knowledge
Speaker 5: from other sources, other types of knowledge, not only historical ones.
Speaker 5: So I branched out, and I would say that now nowadays,
Speaker 5: I'm concerned with the biggest mysteries of the entire universe, existence,
Speaker 5: whatever you may call. And that's why in the previous
Speaker 5: episode we talked about lost civilizations and stuff like that
Speaker 5: about my book. But in this one we'll talk a
Speaker 5: little bit about science, about universe, about reality, how it
Speaker 5: all works, how science, like in the title of our
Speaker 5: conversation is limited to a very large extent, What does
Speaker 5: it mean, what does it imply? And many other stuff.
Speaker 5: But I will also talk about history today. It wouldn't
Speaker 5: be only about science. And actually, when I started going,
Speaker 5: because as I mentioned, I started with history, I was
Speaker 5: going to plenty of competitions. I even had, you know,
Speaker 5: some kind of places like top ten in these competitions
Speaker 5: which were regional, like an entire district of Poland. And
Speaker 5: I needed to learn a lot, a lot about our history.
Speaker 5: And when I was reading that, learning that, I started
Speaker 5: questioning stuff, is it really like that? Was ancient Summer
Speaker 5: really the first civilizations? And why are we Why are
Speaker 5: scientists skeptics telling us that you know any idea of
Speaker 5: previous civilizations or humanity being much older than ancient summer.
Speaker 5: It's ridiculous, according to them. So I started researching and researching,
Speaker 5: and in order to find out why they are thinking
Speaker 5: like that, that no, Atlantis didn't exist, and the Lemuria
Speaker 5: is some scientific bs and so on. I eneded to
Speaker 5: learn about science. I needed to learn about history from
Speaker 5: philosophical perspective, you know, the methodology behind history. How we
Speaker 5: know so much about our history and so on. So
Speaker 5: that's how I started to be interested in science, because
Speaker 5: I found out that science is very very misunderstood nowadays,
Speaker 5: at least in general public, and science seems in all
Speaker 5: I would even say propaganda or in all types of
Speaker 5: promotions of science seems to be like a pristine method
Speaker 5: of uncovering the truth, the real truth about the world
Speaker 5: and anything besides science as I mentioned is called pseudoscience,
Speaker 5: some you know, crap, some kind of scum, and so
Speaker 5: on and so on. So this science is being positioned in
Speaker 5: the media, in the educational system, and in our day
Speaker 5: to day lives as you know, the ultimate method of discovering,
Speaker 5: let's say truth. This is how science is presented to
Speaker 5: us and how many people believe science is. And you know,
Speaker 5: we learn, we learn more about science, how it can
Speaker 5: actually tell us a lot about physical universe, or it
Speaker 5: is in the blink on the blink of discovering the
Speaker 5: ultimate theory of everything of how the entire universe and
Speaker 5: reality works. But the saying was there, I think since
Speaker 5: the eighties are sixties and we are in twenty twenty five,
Speaker 5: so you know, it's another thing. But this is the
Speaker 5: picture that we are being you know, informed about it.
Speaker 5: This is the only thing that it's that comes to
Speaker 5: the truth. And if anyone isn't a scientist, his camera
Speaker 5: sudo science is so parascientists even, and all of those
Speaker 5: people are saying or are telling people this is all
Speaker 5: bs and not truth, and only science has I would say,
Speaker 5: the monopoly on truth. And I think that this is
Speaker 5: the bad thing about science, that science should be about,
Speaker 5: you know, getting the knowledge about the world, going to
Speaker 5: the truth or to the information that is true that
Speaker 5: you know, it's represented truly in the reality. But science
Speaker 5: is becoming a monopoly on knowledge and this is a
Speaker 5: bad thing. And you know, in the Western world. So
Speaker 5: because I come from Poland so a little bit still Eastern,
Speaker 5: we have a lot of Eastern influences here, or we
Speaker 5: had in the past. And I would say in the
Speaker 5: Western world at least nowadays, maybe not in the past.
Speaker 5: Science is only the science we are talking about, you know,
Speaker 5: scientific research, scientific journals, scientific articles, physics, biology, chemistry. But
Speaker 5: here in Poland, up until today, the word science in
Speaker 5: our language is nauka. And this world, which is science,
Speaker 5: does not mean the science like biology, physics and all
Speaker 5: of these genres of science. Now it means just acquiring knowledge.
Speaker 5: So here in Poland we still have I think the
Speaker 5: best definition in my opinion of science, that science should
Speaker 5: be about acquiring knowledge. You know, if let's say right now,
Speaker 5: I had no information, not knowledge about anything, and I
Speaker 5: was just living sitting here, I know, previous information, no memory,
Speaker 5: and I would want to start from scratch. I wouldn't
Speaker 5: assume anything. I would go Okay, this is like that.
Speaker 5: Let's see, let's experiment and so on, and it would
Speaker 5: be free one. And this is how science actually started.
Speaker 5: But then step by step I think it became more
Speaker 5: and more limited. And I will show you today why
Speaker 5: it became more and more limited. And as I mentioned
Speaker 5: this example, that I'm sitting here and I want to
Speaker 5: get the knowledge about the world, the truth, let's say,
Speaker 5: or just how the universe existence around me is. I
Speaker 5: wouldn't assume anything that, Okay, only white exists, but black, No,
Speaker 5: only white things exist. No, I wouldn't assume that. If
Speaker 5: I wanted the truth about the entire workings of our reality,
Speaker 5: I wouldn't say, oh, only let's say organisms, living organisms exist,
Speaker 5: but you know, unalivee stuff like rocks there doesn't exist. No,
Speaker 5: I wouldn't say that. But actually science is based on
Speaker 5: something like that. And this is called assumptions of science.
Speaker 5: So the main assumptions, as I mentioned, assumption can be Okay,
Speaker 5: if I want to discover the reality, I would say
Speaker 5: one assumption reality exists, because if I assume that reality
Speaker 5: doesn't exist, So what I am searching for? What I
Speaker 5: am measuring, Let's say, what I am experiment about it
Speaker 5: would be logical. So we need some assumptions. We cannot
Speaker 5: have zero assumptions. This is the philosophy of science. But
Speaker 5: science started having more and more assumptions as it grew.
Speaker 5: As I mentioned, the first one would be just things exist,
Speaker 5: and let's say, you know, I will try to figure
Speaker 5: out what the entire reality is all about. But then
Speaker 5: science are quite more introduced, actually more and more assumptions
Speaker 5: which were more and more limiting. And just as no
Speaker 5: things exist, I am limiting the idea that things doesn't exist,
Speaker 5: this all illusion, et cetera.
Speaker 11: But then so you're talking more about theory of science. Right,
Speaker 11: So science, right, the philosophy of science goes into the stuff,
Speaker 11: but it gets rarely examined by the general public. They're
Speaker 11: not thinking about science. They're looking at the end goal
Speaker 11: of it, and instead they've ignored the beginning part of it.
Speaker 5: Yes, exactly, That's what I'm talking about. That you know,
Speaker 5: we are giving this image to the general public that
Speaker 5: science is all about discovering the truth. But what I'm
Speaker 5: what I want to show you, all of you that
Speaker 5: science actually, at its philosophical core, isn't about that that
Speaker 5: we think. Oh, science is about understanding the reality or
Speaker 5: about acquiring the knowledge of truth, and so on and
Speaker 5: so on. No, and as I mentioned, the first assumption
Speaker 5: would be things exist. It should be needed in order
Speaker 5: to get the things you know, to measure the things
Speaker 5: that say and do anything with them. So I am
Speaker 5: first limited that, okay, things cannot non exist. Let's say
Speaker 5: it cannot be that there is nothing in the universe
Speaker 5: because we see, okay, things exist. But then there are
Speaker 5: limitations and other assumptions in science, like for instance, naturalism,
Speaker 5: are sometimes called materialism, but to be precise philosophically, for skeptics,
Speaker 5: it is called naturalism, and it says that all the
Speaker 5: natural things, so all the things we see naturally that
Speaker 5: are occurring in our reality have natural causes. So in short,
Speaker 5: there is nothing supernatural in the world. There aren't supernatural
Speaker 5: causes of natural things. Like the best example would be
Speaker 5: some kind of mythology in which you know, thunderstorms are
Speaker 5: being created by some god. But now we have science
Speaker 5: which explains how thunderstorms appear in the world, and we
Speaker 5: see that it isn't that there isn't any supernatural cause.
Speaker 5: So science now with the assumption, is limiting itself. Okay,
Speaker 5: only things in matter, only things natural exists, nothing supernatural.
Speaker 5: This is the best example of that. And I said
Speaker 5: naturalism or materialism, because it is further described that only
Speaker 5: what exists in what exists is only matter in its interaction.
Speaker 5: So what we see is the domain of stuff that
Speaker 5: science is applied to. Science is only applied to the
Speaker 5: natural world and only to matter and its interactions. So
Speaker 5: interactions would be some forces of matter, magnetism, electromagnetism, actually gravity,
Speaker 5: and all the fields because they are also dependent on matter.
Speaker 5: There cannot be filled without matter. Always there is matter
Speaker 5: in this equation. So what we see is let's assume
Speaker 5: things exist. There is something universe, world, reality, anything. But
Speaker 5: now we are closing the gap of knowledge. Let's say
Speaker 5: our initial gap was everything that exists. We are measuring
Speaker 5: things because we see. Okay, I have a hand, so
Speaker 5: I'm measuring things that exist. I have some kind of
Speaker 5: desk here and so on. But now we are limiting ourselves. Okay,
Speaker 5: only matter and its interaction exists, which, in my opinion
Speaker 5: is stupid and in my opinion, cannot show us the
Speaker 5: automate truth because what if the truth is non physical,
Speaker 5: non material, what if it is beyond the domain It's
Speaker 5: like we have the biggest bubble, which would mean like
Speaker 5: the entire existence, all the things that exist, but we
Speaker 5: have inside of it a smaller bubble of only natural world,
Speaker 5: only matter and its interactions, and science is only applied
Speaker 5: to this. And then another assumption which I do not
Speaker 5: agree is, and to say funny one, it is sometimes
Speaker 5: called rationalism that everything that is within science should be
Speaker 5: understandable by humans or let's say some kind of logical things,
Speaker 5: So there is nothing let's say irrational completely or there
Speaker 5: is nothing beyond our human understands, which I'm also opposed.
Speaker 5: And I think that science can actually debank itself on
Speaker 5: this one, because we see, for instance, evolution, I believe
Speaker 5: that we are more than just material human beings. This
Speaker 5: body is, these advanced animals, advanced hominis, advanced monkeys. However,
Speaker 5: I think that we have also some kind of part
Speaker 5: of our brain, maybe it's even the dominant one, that
Speaker 5: is material part of thinking. And what science is trying
Speaker 5: to explain is that everything that science applies to can
Speaker 5: be understood by this by let's say, our brains are minds,
Speaker 5: are biological kinds of mind. And I see a quick
Speaker 5: debanking of it in science because we see that how minds,
Speaker 5: how brains evolved, they evolved to fit evolutionary purposes. So
Speaker 5: they evolved in order for a particular organism to survive,
Speaker 5: let's say humans. So I say to myself, just speculating,
Speaker 5: what if our human minds are not not capable of
Speaker 5: getting to the automate truth because this ultimate truth was
Speaker 5: not needed for us to survive. We have let's say,
Speaker 5: a bit much a bit more advanced brains or logic,
Speaker 5: et cetera than other animals, but not all because other
Speaker 5: are more advanced, like dolphins, in other kind of brain
Speaker 5: and mind things. How what I mean is that, you know,
Speaker 5: we are a bit more advanced that we can speculate
Speaker 5: about the universe, we can measure, we can create stuff
Speaker 5: and put this stuff into space. Let's say, but what
Speaker 5: if still we are limited that just by using our
Speaker 5: brains and material biological minds, we wouldn't be ever you know,
Speaker 5: into searching for the automate truth. So I see, even
Speaker 5: science by the evolutionary branch, and all of the advancements
Speaker 5: can a bit of the bank that this idea, this
Speaker 5: primary notion, primary assumption in how the science works in
Speaker 5: the philosophy and all the fundamentals of science that you know,
Speaker 5: everything should be based on rationalism. And I think, what
Speaker 5: if the rational mind wasn't there to explain the truth
Speaker 5: about the universe, but what it was if it was
Speaker 5: just for us to survive and to get better, and
Speaker 5: you know, to dominate the world and to dominate the
Speaker 5: other species, because probably this was why humans evolved in
Speaker 5: this rout and not the other. So these are the
Speaker 5: two main assumptions of science that are limiting it from
Speaker 5: the idea of getting into truth, getting into knowledge about
Speaker 5: the universe too, getting only the logical parts of the
Speaker 5: assumption of rationalism, and getting only the material part of
Speaker 5: the physical universe. So we see, and this is the
Speaker 5: image that is often overlooked when it comes to media,
Speaker 5: when it comes to you know, learning science, that science
Speaker 5: isn't about the automate truth. But is this only about
Speaker 5: how the material world here raationally logically works here only
Speaker 5: in the material physical realm, which is I think a
Speaker 5: good tool because sometimes if I want to focus, let's
Speaker 5: say I want to repair a car, I don't need
Speaker 5: to you know, speculate and think of the entire universe. No,
Speaker 5: I need to have the applied knowledge on how to
Speaker 5: repair a particular car engine or anything that there is
Speaker 5: in this car. So the engineering knowledge and the same here.
Speaker 5: If we want to discover the best way how the
Speaker 5: physical universe work, we will have to apply science, which
Speaker 5: is all about the physical material world, and we will see, Okay,
Speaker 5: biology works like that, physical reality works like that. These
Speaker 5: are the loss of Newton. These are the loss of
Speaker 5: the universe. But we will be still limited and we
Speaker 5: want get the knowledge about the big picture of the
Speaker 5: entire thing spirituality and why this is important. It's important because,
Speaker 5: as I mentioned at the beginning, science is at least
Speaker 5: since you know, the famous event of the world. Why
Speaker 5: I won't say, I don't want for to be taken away,
Speaker 5: but from I think this was the epogeum of this propaganda,
Speaker 5: I would say that science is the only way we
Speaker 5: should you know, thing when it comes to living here
Speaker 5: as human beings, that science is the only route, and
Speaker 5: science according to this.
Speaker 11: Yes, have you ever heard of Parmanides, the leader of
Speaker 11: the Eleatic school in So he's the guy who comes
Speaker 11: up with ontology, which is the rational basis for science.
Speaker 11: And he got there by going on a massive trip, right,
Speaker 11: maybe a drug trip, maybe some sort of spiritual trip.
Speaker 11: But he goes outside of his body and he witnesses
Speaker 11: this Queen of the Night and she tells him that
Speaker 11: A equals Hey, there cannot be no non contradiction in
Speaker 11: the universe. And he's getting this from a spiritual vision.
Speaker 11: And that's the basis for science. So when you understand
Speaker 11: the irony of all these science worry toss saying we
Speaker 11: can't go back to the basis of science for our
Speaker 11: science now, it's kind of ridiculous.
Speaker 9: I was actually going to say something like that, headless,
Speaker 9: because it seems like to me, science now is basically
Speaker 9: just removing any spirituality whatsoever.
Speaker 8: Like I get it. We have a physical brain and
Speaker 8: we use it to like wipe our ass and like
Speaker 8: go to.
Speaker 9: The grocery store. But there is so many levels to that.
Speaker 9: You have your mind, which you get information all the
Speaker 9: time that is not from you sometimes and you wonder,
Speaker 9: like how am I able to process this? Where did
Speaker 9: I come from before I was born? That doesn't come
Speaker 9: from your physical brain, That comes from somewhere outside of yourself.
Speaker 9: So it's like science has completely removed the beautiful spiritual
Speaker 9: connectedness of everything.
Speaker 5: Yes, these are two great ideas, great examples, and I
Speaker 5: wanted to go into the spirituality out of further because
Speaker 5: this is, you know, connecting what I've just talked about
Speaker 5: with the spirituality kind of thing. But let's say about
Speaker 5: the monopoly on knowledge. This is the bad because nowadays science,
Speaker 5: as I mentioned at the beginning before explaining all of this,
Speaker 5: is saying us only science can lead you to the
Speaker 5: true knowledge about anything. But actually, as I mentioned, here
Speaker 5: are the limitations of science. So what if I am
Speaker 5: going beyond the domain of where the science is applied,
Speaker 5: then you know, science eliminate that the scientists this is
Speaker 5: a scam, This is some kind of grift, et cetera, hoax,
Speaker 5: And this is the bad thing that science is having
Speaker 5: monopoly because I understand that science could have monopoly on
Speaker 5: the material world because of all of their achievements. Let's
Speaker 5: say they figured out how, you know, the physical laws,
Speaker 5: et cetera. Okay, they may have, they may be the
Speaker 5: leader in this kind of domain, but you know, they
Speaker 5: are going into what is outside of their main And
Speaker 5: I often laugh about you know, science is telling us
Speaker 5: things about spirituality or something, but actually spirituality, God and
Speaker 5: plenty aspects of religions are, you know, not in the
Speaker 5: domain of science for science to comment it. So, actually, spirituality,
Speaker 5: any kind of metaphysics, metaphysics, meta, beyond physics. It is
Speaker 5: all beyond the bubble of domain where science is applied.
Speaker 5: So science actually should not comment at all about that.
Speaker 5: Let's say I'm the mechanic, you're the biologist, and I
Speaker 5: know things about the mechanical stuff. Okay, this is maybe
Speaker 5: a bad example because I can tell you about the
Speaker 5: mechanical parts of our bodies, but I do not know
Speaker 5: shit about you know, biology, cells and everything, and it
Speaker 5: would be like, oh, I'm a mechanic, and I would
Speaker 5: tell you, no, you're wrong about being biologists. No, it
Speaker 5: is not about Selles, mito hundred and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: So actually, anything metaphysical spiritual should be from the phinician
Speaker 5: that I mentioned, from the philosophy of science, outside of
Speaker 5: the domain of science. So, in my opinion, science should
Speaker 5: not have any kind of dominion, any kind of monopoly
Speaker 5: on knowledge, because knowledge can exist outside of science. It
Speaker 5: can be knowledge of the things that are just outside
Speaker 5: the physical realm, and it connects to spirituality of course, religion,
Speaker 5: and you know the thing that all science explains everything
Speaker 5: in the physical world. We do not need any kind
Speaker 5: of religion. We can be atheists. And I think I
Speaker 5: mentioned it at the end of the last conversation about
Speaker 5: my little conspiracy theory of the entire world and how
Speaker 5: it works. I think it's a step by step process
Speaker 5: of limiting our spirituality, ending in going in getting us
Speaker 5: as human beings into a complete physical like getting us
Speaker 5: into the physical realm, blocking us from anything so spiritual mystical,
Speaker 5: out of physical metaphysical, and you know, maybe later turning
Speaker 5: us into robots. You know, all the trends, humanism, agenda
Speaker 5: and so on. I think that this is one of
Speaker 5: the steps, and I think it goes it manifests throughout
Speaker 5: the entire history that we started let's say, with just
Speaker 5: spiritual beliefs, then the first shamanism and so on, then religions,
Speaker 5: but still for instance, first religions where polyteistic. They explain that, oh,
Speaker 5: there are plenty of different forces of nature that those
Speaker 5: people thought were gods, etc. And then you know, we
Speaker 5: are being more and more limited when it comes to
Speaker 5: our spirituality, like closed in a smaller and smaller cage.
Speaker 5: Let's say the first stage was just pure spirituality, than shamanism,
Speaker 5: causer cage. Then polytaistic religions, so still plenty of possibilities,
Speaker 5: but then limited also by Brahman for instance in India
Speaker 5: and other you know kind of priests in other religions.
Speaker 5: Then monotistic religion, so only one god, all the other
Speaker 5: gods do not exist, or all the other forces and
Speaker 5: gods and stuff are bad, et cetera. And this thing
Speaker 5: that there's hell and heaven and you need to think
Speaker 5: like that and act like that in order to go
Speaker 5: to heaven. So the next limitation, and the furthest limitation,
Speaker 5: would be, Okay, there is no spirituality. There isn't heaven
Speaker 5: or hell. You die, it's over. You do not have
Speaker 5: any psychic abilities. There is nothing out of physical there
Speaker 5: is nothing spiritual, and I think it's coming. And the
Speaker 5: last stage of that is, as I say, a little
Speaker 5: bit conspiracy theory. I do not know if it is correct,
Speaker 5: but there are plenty of arguments for it, and I
Speaker 5: think the next step would be Okay, people are so
Speaker 5: manipulated even right now, but maybe let's say in ten
Speaker 5: twenty fifty years into believing that there's only the physical realm,
Speaker 5: there is nothing spiritual. They you know, gave up and
Speaker 5: the idea of spirituality. Now let's close them in some
Speaker 5: kind of robots machines connect them by chips in their
Speaker 5: brain and and someone, and now we are fully limited
Speaker 5: from who we really are. At a bigger picture, we
Speaker 5: are more and more limited, and then we are just
Speaker 5: just biological machines or part biological machines. Even at this
Speaker 5: point we are part humans, part of course some kind
Speaker 5: of technology AI, and we are the most limited. So
Speaker 5: this is my take on it.
Speaker 8: I'm on board with that.
Speaker 9: I think I think that that could be very true.
Speaker 8: Also, I think that.
Speaker 9: They target your different parts of your brain with pharmaceuticals,
Speaker 9: and everybody's on some kind of fucking pharmaceutical these days,
Speaker 9: So talk about shutting off your spirituality. A lot of
Speaker 9: like antidepressants, antipsychotic medication, The active ingredient is fluoride. They
Speaker 9: put it fluoride in your water, You shower with it,
Speaker 9: preuss your teeth with it, wash your clothes in it.
Speaker 9: Then you take antidepressants that further calcifies your brain. And
Speaker 9: then we wonder how we got to like non spiritual.
Speaker 9: I'm just you know, going along to get along. It's
Speaker 9: because they're actually inducing like a pharmaceutical lobotomy, and that's
Speaker 9: that's where we're at. I think that they would love
Speaker 9: to see us as robots because they were more easy
Speaker 9: to control.
Speaker 5: Yes, also to add to that, it doesn't need to
Speaker 5: be like things we eat or we take some drugs,
Speaker 5: but it can be also first one, propaganda and making
Speaker 5: us from little kids into only the left analyticological part
Speaker 5: of the brain. And you mentioned lobotomi. There were some
Speaker 5: kind of experiments of you know, how right hemisphere is acting,
Speaker 5: how lefts hemisphere is acting. And when they cut us
Speaker 5: out of the left hemisphere this time, people were having
Speaker 5: you know, spiritual things all the time. They even couldn't
Speaker 5: feel where there is a boundary between them and the
Speaker 5: outside world. They're like, couldn't you know, And they couldn't
Speaker 5: analytically logically fready thing at all. So I think that
Speaker 5: they won't also ask by just you know, practice, practice,
Speaker 5: practice stimulating left side, left side of the brain, you know,
Speaker 5: killing any kind This was actually I think clearly shown
Speaker 5: during the Cold War postmodernism, you know here in Eastern
Speaker 5: Europe to just you know everything gray, nothing you know,
Speaker 5: fun and nothing artistic, no artistic expression. You should be
Speaker 5: just like calculator. Just you know, do MAVs do physics
Speaker 5: or learn to be a lawyer when it comes to humanity,
Speaker 5: but you know, you do not have any artistic expression
Speaker 5: and so on. And I think this is the part
Speaker 5: that even for propaganda, we do not need to eat anything.
Speaker 5: They can you know, get us like eighteen ninety percent
Speaker 5: into the left hemisphere, and we are very limited because
Speaker 5: even we are not the full capacicities of our brain.
Speaker 5: And maybe this right side of the brain is much
Speaker 5: more connected to spirituality or other parts like the pineal
Speaker 5: gland and you mentioned calcification by fluoride and other stuff.
Speaker 5: But also nowadays we are in an age that they
Speaker 5: can go into two routes. One, they can analyze how
Speaker 5: the brain a few works, like you know, put a
Speaker 5: headset on you and check out to seventy percent about
Speaker 5: according to them, what you think or what you are
Speaker 5: thinking about approximately maybe not the entire thing you visualize
Speaker 5: and all the information, but they can, you know, predict
Speaker 5: what you are thinking about. So they can control you
Speaker 5: in this way. But they can also control you in
Speaker 5: a different way that you know, for instance, by putting
Speaker 5: electric signals in your brain. Then they can like trigger memories.
Speaker 5: They can trigger certain thoughts about okay, m hand grail
Speaker 5: will go to something and so on. So maybe, you know,
Speaker 5: future technology could easily not like we've advanced something now,
Speaker 5: just with current technology, make some implants into your head,
Speaker 5: or maybe with some nanotechnology that you are not even
Speaker 5: aware of and enable it to put advertisements in your mind,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. To some extent, I think
Speaker 5: that our imagination is actually connected to something beyond the
Speaker 5: physical one. But I think that they can dominate your
Speaker 5: brain easily. And if they dominate constant simulation, in constant
Speaker 5: stimulation on or when we are in the survival state,
Speaker 5: we are not thinking about the universe and stuff like that,
Speaker 5: how it works about philosophy. Now we are shrinked, and
Speaker 5: I think that this is the technology that they can do.
Speaker 5: We do not even need to eat anything to do that.
Speaker 5: But this is a bit dystopian, and I'm optimistic. I
Speaker 5: think that, you know, maybe it's not our scenario for
Speaker 5: the new future.
Speaker 7: Something I want to say between Julia and a new Alexander,
Speaker 7: I thought of an illment, Gilchrist. I think I'm saying
Speaker 7: his name right, somebody that I've wanted to get on
Speaker 7: the show. He has an amazing book called The.
Speaker 6: The Master and his Emissary.
Speaker 7: I have it, and I've only read a little bit
Speaker 7: here and there, but you know, I've watched him do
Speaker 7: presentations on it and talk about it, and he says, like,
Speaker 7: right now, he thinks there's a huge problem with that,
Speaker 7: like we're all basically like way too much on the
Speaker 7: left side of the brain, and that that part of
Speaker 7: the brain will like start to lie to you if
Speaker 7: you get like a scared or afraid to make sense
Speaker 7: of stuff. He says, So like we're kind of like
Speaker 7: creating our own realities to deal with life at this
Speaker 7: point and not acknowledging for what it really is.
Speaker 6: It's fucking free.
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, one hundred.
Speaker 9: I think that they've been developing this kind of technology
Speaker 9: from like the sixties though.
Speaker 8: I think as soon as it.
Speaker 9: Rolled out like TV, yeah, you know, and it's like
Speaker 9: you were saying, they could put something in your head
Speaker 9: that makes you crave taco bell all the time, Well,
Speaker 9: that shit is already happening, because you know, with the
Speaker 9: way they advertise drugs, food, everything, flashing lights, constant programming,
Speaker 9: I think that they've already found a way without even touching.
Speaker 8: You physically to.
Speaker 9: Disrupt how your brain is supposed to work, just from
Speaker 9: like watching movies, shows whatever.
Speaker 6: Electronic explain.
Speaker 8: Yeah, your phone.
Speaker 5: Yes, I'm also afraid you know all the electromagnetic connection,
Speaker 5: and you know some newer things like no Wi Fi
Speaker 5: or G five and so on. But I think that
Speaker 5: you know, maybe in their secret like experiments or maybe
Speaker 5: the new future, they would be able to know to
Speaker 5: do everything remotely. Now you are just going going, or
Speaker 5: maybe they will input you some kind of nano stuff
Speaker 5: that you're not even aware of it, maybe even just
Speaker 5: breathed it in while you were outside of your homework
Speaker 5: and at your home, and you know, you're walking walking,
Speaker 5: and then you're doing something that it is not you,
Speaker 5: but they controlling you through your nervous system. And nervous
Speaker 5: system is actually I think easy to control because it
Speaker 5: is electromagnetic to some extent electric, so you know, different impulses.
Speaker 5: Just like I mentioned, this is an old actual technology
Speaker 5: as you mentioned sixty seventies, probably that just putting different
Speaker 5: impulses in special parts of the brain can result in
Speaker 5: now you remember your most traumatic one you have like
Speaker 5: a vision like a memory, or they make you hand
Speaker 5: grains so on, the same with manipulation. You mentioned fluoride,
Speaker 5: but other chemicals that are you know, messing up with
Speaker 5: the hormones. They can do a lot of things with
Speaker 5: our body. And that's why I think all the propaganda
Speaker 5: and all the things it is going toward is eliminating spirituality,
Speaker 5: anything beyond physical because if you think that you are
Speaker 5: only the physical material body machine, let's say biological, you
Speaker 5: are limited. And you know, you think maybe even if
Speaker 5: you're aware of what we are talking about, that they
Speaker 5: can control you in all the possible ways. You are like, oh,
Speaker 5: I can't do anything about that. You know, they will
Speaker 5: get the noneo stuff. I will, you know, do that,
Speaker 5: I will maybe even kill some people that and so on.
Speaker 5: You're not aware of that, you are actually aware, but
Speaker 5: you are, you know, in this depressing state. And I
Speaker 5: think that's why they want to kill the spirituality to say, okay,
Speaker 5: you see now our enemies let's say you know usay
Speaker 5: in other countries like China or Russia, these countries can
Speaker 5: do that, so you have to abide us or if
Speaker 5: it's a vice versa here on the eastern side of
Speaker 5: the world, you need to be careful, you know, Western things,
Speaker 5: but they can control you, and you need to obey us,
Speaker 5: the government, and so on. So I think this is
Speaker 5: why it's going into the material one because if you
Speaker 5: know about spirituality, if you truly experience it, you are
Speaker 5: not fearing anything. You know, the death is not the end,
Speaker 5: and so on, So you have a different mindset to go.
Speaker 5: Even even if it existed into that into this negative
Speaker 5: these stop and stuff, you have a completely different attitude
Speaker 5: towards it.
Speaker 2: I just wanted to add that there are definitely these
Speaker 2: modern really institutionalizations to kind of make people not be
Speaker 2: sensitive and even or intuitive. And even that word has
Speaker 2: a kind of trigger to it, right, like, oh, you're
Speaker 2: so sensitive. People use that as a really derogatory in
Speaker 2: a sense kind of word, when actually.
Speaker 5: It's programming subconscious.
Speaker 2: It's an example of programming which we do to ourselves.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 5: I cannot be sensitive, right right.
Speaker 2: That's a great example the hardness and softness. Like with
Speaker 2: Taichi for health, we want to integrate offness and sensitivity
Speaker 2: and not be hard because when you're rigid, you really
Speaker 2: you you lose your ability. In flexibility, there is the
Speaker 2: potential for rigidity, not an In rigidity, there's no flexibility
Speaker 2: and a lot of this modern institutionalization and even verbal
Speaker 2: tendencies and just cultural tendencies to be hard and rigid
Speaker 2: and not sensitive to the spiritual or non physical. I
Speaker 2: think may start within ourselves. In there's an in the
Speaker 2: reflective of the theory that are very eyesight and hearing
Speaker 2: and even the spectrum of what we might think about
Speaker 2: is said to be biologically hindered in order to maintain
Speaker 2: a survival and fight the bobcats and the wolves and
Speaker 2: the random bowls that come out of nowhere that you
Speaker 2: have to survive and getting food and so on. So
Speaker 2: all these the base programming and base place that we
Speaker 2: might be in. It was more the more frequent place
Speaker 2: right where we're just focusing on survival. So I think
Speaker 2: in reflect to that these biological circumstances. Now we have
Speaker 2: these modern examples, as you laid out so eloquently, Alexander,
Speaker 2: that maybe come from the same biological tendency to be
Speaker 2: in survival mode as a way to survive and not
Speaker 2: really look at these energies and these different qualities and
Speaker 2: or are very you know, people might call it our
Speaker 2: our dark side or our dark aspect of our consciousness.
Speaker 2: People really don't want to look at what is the
Speaker 2: biggest thing holding us back? Most often our selves are
Speaker 2: usually we're alone worst enemy, and people do not want
Speaker 2: to look at that.
Speaker 5: In depth anyway. Yes, I agree, I agree.
Speaker 2: Just to build No, I wasn't trying to disagree, just
Speaker 2: to build on like, Yes, we hold ourselves back, certainly
Speaker 2: institutionally and personally.
Speaker 5: Yes, I think it's a great example of you know
Speaker 5: how society or I mentioned the Eastern side, you know,
Speaker 5: or postmodernism one you know this. I don't want to
Speaker 5: call it philosophist school of thought or anything. I think
Speaker 5: it's like global phenomenon that you know, make you fit,
Speaker 5: that you need to fit into that, into that, and
Speaker 5: there are plenty of different ideologies that are you know,
Speaker 5: throwing people into a particular root when actually you can
Speaker 5: be free and you will see that, you know, it's
Speaker 5: just a root. Just as science, as I mentioned at
Speaker 5: the beginning, is limited in its own way, and science
Speaker 5: is only I would say, science is only a method
Speaker 5: of understanding physical with emphasist reality, and who knows, maybe
Speaker 5: even not entirely if we take into the consideration disrationalism
Speaker 5: thing that maybe our minds are not supposed to know everything.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think depending on where you are, even emotionally.
Speaker 7: I don't think there's certain things you should understand given
Speaker 7: times something like that. So to explain one thing I
Speaker 7: didn't want to bring up, it's a little bit kind
Speaker 7: of rough. I mean, it's about the science community. It's
Speaker 7: not kind of the way that you were going at it.
Speaker 7: But it's just a way for me to have a
Speaker 7: shameless plug for the show as well. One thing I
Speaker 7: do think is important within the science community, and I
Speaker 7: think a lot of people kind of sleep on it too.
Speaker 7: It was interesting for me when Lisa pitched it to
Speaker 7: the show or to me, it's not my topic, so
Speaker 7: I can't pat myself on the back of his hers.
Speaker 7: But even with Maxwell's family owning so much of the
Speaker 7: publication of scientific papers for so long, they basically controlled
Speaker 7: science certain aspects.
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, yes, it's just like.
Speaker 5: All science about different even outside of science, you know,
Speaker 5: there are people who own out even nowadays with the
Speaker 5: food industry, they are also like you see, okay, we
Speaker 5: have five big companies that control all the eighty percent
Speaker 5: of the food and you will see okay, but all
Speaker 5: these five hours under control of the one majoritly.
Speaker 11: So right mcgarral Hill was the textbook maker that Maxwell
Speaker 11: owned for about three years and changed all of their
Speaker 11: policies how they you know, wrote their books and everything else.
Speaker 11: So that was coming straight out of this Epstein network.
Speaker 7: No, that is true, and I think for some reason,
Speaker 7: I think they had to do something with like German
Speaker 7: and Nazi stuff with Mocgrohill all the way.
Speaker 6: Can remember that.
Speaker 5: Well Germans actually because of it is very German and
Speaker 5: Nazis actually was a very interesting case because because of
Speaker 5: their isolation from the outside world during the World War,
Speaker 5: they actually started with completely different ideas and the Nazi
Speaker 5: science of nineteen forty four, so before the last year
Speaker 5: of the world in comparison to let's say American science
Speaker 5: and global science outside of Nazi Germany was completely completely different,
Speaker 5: just after a few like four or five years being
Speaker 5: isolated during the world during the Second World Wars, which
Speaker 5: shows you that maybe, you know, sometimes isolation can be
Speaker 5: a good thing because you won't think the same things
Speaker 5: as the other ones all over the world are thinking.
Speaker 5: So I think it's a good example that you know,
Speaker 5: we say, oh science, everyone agrees with saence and so on,
Speaker 5: but here you will say that after all these years
Speaker 5: of isolation, just a year is actually of isolation. Their science,
Speaker 5: their physics was a completely different, you know kind of thing.
Speaker 5: Even they went back to the beginnings and some of
Speaker 5: the prayer things. When it comes to physics, they you know, say, no,
Speaker 5: it's probably a little bit different. They weren't right in
Speaker 5: plenty of things. But actually when Western sciences discovered that
Speaker 5: they were heavily inspired that wait, what is it, so.
Speaker 8: Are you talking about You're talking about Nazis.
Speaker 5: Yes, Nazis science was completely different. And that's why you know,
Speaker 5: all these conspiracies about NASA, NASA and their influence with
Speaker 5: the Nazi scientists, because plenty of Nazi science citis in
Speaker 5: order not to be killed their benefit but also benefit
Speaker 5: of the United States and other countries to have the
Speaker 5: best scientists on their team were you know, taken, not killed,
Speaker 5: and taken into the USA. Plenty of Nazi scientists. And
Speaker 5: it turned out that, as I mentioned, four or five
Speaker 5: years of their isolation, their science was like a sci
Speaker 5: fi one. That's why they were you know, all these
Speaker 5: hidden projects like UFO, the Glocka, these were here in Poland.
Speaker 5: Plenty of these projects were created here in Poland. Actually,
Speaker 5: the Glocka they're kind of youthful, this hornet kind of
Speaker 5: craft that later inspired the American stealth, these fighters, which
Speaker 5: are like out of sci fi movie. So Nazi science
Speaker 5: was really out of this world because they were also
Speaker 5: heavily influenced before that by occultism. Because before even the
Speaker 5: like nsdaap so the party Nationalists of Hitler Nationalist Party
Speaker 5: became a power in Germany, even before that at the
Speaker 5: end of eighteen hundreds, at the beginning of the nineteen hundreds,
Speaker 5: they had their roots in occultism because there's plenty of
Speaker 5: their members were into that. Later when the Nazis came
Speaker 5: into power in Germany, there even started projects, as I mentioned,
Speaker 5: of these physics, but also projects on non material staff
Speaker 5: projects about uncovering hidden history. Even you know him La,
Speaker 5: so you know, one of the biggest guys when it
Speaker 5: comes to Nazis. After Hitler was trying to search for Atlantis.
Speaker 5: And now you see, for instance, I don't know if
Speaker 5: you know, Flint Dibble and other skeptics who are selling, oh,
Speaker 5: Graham Ankok is bad because of his Ancient apocalypt series
Speaker 5: and so on. They are telling that this idea of
Speaker 5: trying to search for lost civilizations is racist is fastest,
Speaker 5: it's Nazi. Even some of the people, maybe not this
Speaker 5: one that I mentioned, but other in this kind of
Speaker 5: field telling us because for the history, people were using
Speaker 5: that for bad things. But you know why they are
Speaker 5: telling us, no, we cannot search for Atlantis because we
Speaker 5: would be racist, nazy and so on, because we are
Speaker 5: you know, No, it's I think it shouldn't be like that,
Speaker 5: and I think it's a bad thinking, illogical thinking, even
Speaker 5: in my opinion that you know, you take these people
Speaker 5: into this like oh this Atlantis hunters or lost civilizations hunters,
Speaker 5: they are racists or these methods are racist. No, just racists, fascists.
Speaker 5: Nazis were using this knowledge for their purposes because Nazis
Speaker 5: wanted to show that there Arian race. So the Germans,
Speaker 5: true Germans, were coming from some kind of loss civilization
Speaker 5: like Atlantis. They wanted a proof because they were they
Speaker 5: really were racists, and they thought that their Arian race
Speaker 5: is superior in comparison to others. But they were using
Speaker 5: this Atlantist knowledge that we may talk about for bad purposes.
Speaker 5: But it doesn't mean that Atlantis hunt Atlantis hunting is
Speaker 5: Nazi in itself. No, it isn't, but plenty of people
Speaker 5: interpret it like that. So Nazis. There are crazy stories.
Speaker 5: They even wanted to recreate some kind of UFO interdimensional UFOOL,
Speaker 5: like a physical one for space travels outside of the
Speaker 5: space time reality. After the channeling, there were some kind
Speaker 5: of medium. It was before the war for sure, and
Speaker 5: they were, you know, channeling some kind of papers like
Speaker 5: blueprints of these UFO craft. There are plenty of stories
Speaker 5: like that about the Nazis and they were trying to
Speaker 5: replicate it. And because of the routine occultism channelings, they
Speaker 5: were much more open for different ideas. That's why the Glocka,
Speaker 5: which was meant to be some kind of anti gravity
Speaker 5: thing according to them, maybe it doesn't exist, the thing
Speaker 5: like anti gravity maybe, but they were thinking and okay,
Speaker 5: let's experiment, and they came to plenty of new things.
Speaker 5: They invented new true things in physics because they were
Speaker 5: very open about all of that. They wanted to create UFOs,
Speaker 5: They wanted to power the psychic powers.
Speaker 11: Yes, right, well, Alexander. And in terms of their moral
Speaker 11: rejection of Western physics, it really came down to this
Speaker 11: Einstein idea, right, because they really rejected Einstein hard like
Speaker 11: he was very big in the West, and they're like,
Speaker 11: we want nothing to do with that Swedish guy or
Speaker 11: the Swiss guy Jewish guy.
Speaker 5: I don't want this podcast. I'm sorry, Enigma. You know
Speaker 5: they didn't like just and I tell you what they do,
Speaker 5: so sorry.
Speaker 11: The same kind of rejection going on in the Soviet
Speaker 11: Union where they were rejected in Western science for a
Speaker 11: different type of agriculturalists, and that created major problems in
Speaker 11: the Soviet Union as well.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, I agree with you, and even they rejected
Speaker 5: because of their philosophical basis in Marxism. In communism, they
Speaker 5: rejected the idea of spirituality. When the Bolsheviks in like
Speaker 5: twenties got into the power, they closed most and most
Speaker 5: of the churches, and they wanted to kill religions. They sometimes,
Speaker 5: during events that they were not doing well, were taking
Speaker 5: back this religion when they needed to. But they were
Speaker 5: anti religious. They thought that spirituality is you know, stupid,
Speaker 5: doesn't exist. They were materialists, heard materialists, and atheists. And
Speaker 5: because of that, when they found out about psychic remote
Speaker 5: viewing and all of the psychic phenomena like channelings, they
Speaker 5: were heavily researching it. Western world was a little bit
Speaker 5: back in that because they thought, Okay, the Western world
Speaker 5: was like, oh, this doesn't exist, but actually so of
Speaker 5: its scientists were thinking that spiritual phenomena and all the
Speaker 5: mediumship psychic stuff is a material phenomenon. So they got
Speaker 5: it into their paradigm. You know, as I mentioned that
Speaker 5: spirituality is outside of the scientific paradigm, and that's why
Speaker 5: science is not like saying that mediumship and psychic capabilities
Speaker 5: are real, because these are outside of the physical realm.
Speaker 5: But Soviet sciences were thinking, but maybe they're physical. I
Speaker 5: do not agree with them at all, but because of that,
Speaker 5: they implemented it into their scientific community, and psychic stuff
Speaker 5: was so heavily researched in USSR, like they were really
Speaker 5: really into it because they thought it is some kind
Speaker 5: of material stuff. And that's why then later USA was, wait,
Speaker 5: they are investigating it, so maybe we should too, and
Speaker 5: that's how the Ingoswan, the famous remote viewer and other
Speaker 5: later were involved into that. So I think that Savit
Speaker 5: Union was the first in that, and then later USA
Speaker 5: was that we should investigate it to like our enemies
Speaker 5: are doing that, we should too. So there are plenty
Speaker 5: of interesting case is showing us different kinds of science
Speaker 5: in the Soviet era, in the Nazi stuff. I think
Speaker 5: it is not only the rejection of Einstein was a
Speaker 5: part of that. Like they even say, I was in
Speaker 5: my high school, I had like like major but in
Speaker 5: high school like extended version of history, like different subjects,
Speaker 5: and our history was extended, and it was focused on
Speaker 5: the times from nineteen hundreds up until the end of
Speaker 5: the World War two. So it was heavily focused on
Speaker 5: this spirit. And I remember there were even some quotes
Speaker 5: that from people from scientists back then during the Nazi time,
Speaker 5: that we won't accept this Jewish thing that Einstein is propagating.
Speaker 5: They were, you know, so racists, that no, it's a
Speaker 5: Jewish thing, it's not true, it's propaganda, and so on.
Speaker 5: They were telling like that it was a part of
Speaker 5: rejecting Einstein's gravity and so on. But part of that
Speaker 5: was also that when the war started they were completely isolated.
Speaker 5: It wasn't like nowadays they can browse the Internet and
Speaker 5: check what scientific advancements are there. Back then, the scientific
Speaker 5: research was not that big like nowadays. So in four
Speaker 5: or five years, Nazis were actually not informed on everything
Speaker 5: that was happening all over the world when it comes
Speaker 5: to science. And this was the part isolation and part
Speaker 5: rejection of the Western one. In the USSR, similar that
Speaker 5: part was the rejection there is nothing beyond matter, there
Speaker 5: is only matter. We are eighties, we are socialists, we
Speaker 5: are materialists. And also part of the isolation of the
Speaker 5: Western the Western is bad. You know here even in
Speaker 5: Poland it was up until the eighteen nineties, so nineteen
Speaker 5: eighty nine, so like thirty plus years ago, we were
Speaker 5: under the communist regime and all the Western stuff was bad.
Speaker 5: Trust me, even I was born in two thousand and three,
Speaker 5: so long long ago that and I remember, you know,
Speaker 5: some kind of artifacts like things from before before we
Speaker 5: were integrated into the Western world. That you know, everything
Speaker 5: on the West is bad. Everything from Rascha from Soviet
Speaker 5: Union is good. And we should you know, reject everything
Speaker 5: the Western depravity and so on. So yes, these are
Speaker 5: showing us different kinds of worldviews.
Speaker 11: Even what's interesting is the artifacts that are left over
Speaker 11: from this era that I think still don't get a
Speaker 11: lot of attention. So for instance, in the West, we
Speaker 11: have Western science calling certain obscure kind of effects cavitation effects,
Speaker 11: cavitation effects. Now they don't go into any detail and
Speaker 11: what these cavitation effects are. But you know, this is
Speaker 11: a very clear example of them sort of relegating these
Speaker 11: different effects within science as a thing that they don't
Speaker 11: full explain. But they point at it and they're like, well,
Speaker 11: we can explain this, it's the cavitation effect. Let's move
Speaker 11: on to the next thing. It's kind of funny. So
Speaker 11: they're describing the same things in different ways with varying
Speaker 11: amounts of focus being placed on them, and usually what
Speaker 11: we end up seeing is that they don't really do
Speaker 11: a good job of explaining it too well.
Speaker 5: M yes, yes, there are a bunch of examples. Any
Speaker 5: kind of comment or.
Speaker 1: I'll go really quickly. Okay.
Speaker 12: So so I think that everything you said I totally
Speaker 12: agree with. Like, I think one tool that I like
Speaker 12: to say for people to like take sort of agency,
Speaker 12: be agential in and of themselves, take it, you know,
Speaker 12: take full.
Speaker 1: Ownership of their own will.
Speaker 12: Maybe is to quoting Andrew mcluin, grandson of Marshall mclun
Speaker 12: but he says, sees the means of perception. So I
Speaker 12: think a lot of magic starts in perception, Like you
Speaker 12: were talking about Alexander the Nazi phenomena. I call it
Speaker 12: we was kings. Any all call to do this. They
Speaker 12: always project themselves into the primordial past as the lineage progenitors.
Speaker 12: It's it's every Okul group. There's there's zero that don't
Speaker 12: do this. So you know, it is what it is.
Speaker 12: And I think the last thing I wanted to comment
Speaker 12: on is why I forgot so But anyways, yeah, I
Speaker 12: totally agree with you and I and I think that
Speaker 12: people occultism as a source of like wisdom or knowledge.
Speaker 12: I'm one hundred percent there, I think next one hundred
Speaker 12: percent there.
Speaker 1: I think we're all a hundred percent there.
Speaker 12: And like I think it's not about like the dualism
Speaker 12: of like materialism versus spiritualism. I like to take a
Speaker 12: non dual approaches, obviously because I'm a Buddhists, so but
Speaker 12: I think we have to go like beyond the paradigms,
Speaker 12: like exactly what you're saying, Like it's it's about pushing
Speaker 12: the ideas outward and like it doesn't matter maybe an
Speaker 12: idea is bad, maybe it's good, Like we have to
Speaker 12: see and we shouldn't be we as kings because you know,
Speaker 12: not all their ideas are good. But we don't have
Speaker 12: to discard everything that came before, just you know, kind
Speaker 12: of see where, kind of see where things are.
Speaker 5: Soviets wanted to discard almost anything that was of the
Speaker 5: Russian or Eastern history. They wanted, you know, to start
Speaker 5: with a bank page, finished this imaginary war of classes,
Speaker 5: the conflict between classes, and starting you with a perfect
Speaker 5: socialistic society. So it's another lesson that we shouldn't you know,
Speaker 5: we shouldn't also be too much attached to, of course
Speaker 5: the past stuff, but we shouldn't try to eliminate eliminate
Speaker 5: it at all. Just as you mentioned old idea, isn't
Speaker 5: it but an idea at all.
Speaker 11: Licanoism licenchoism is the word I was looking for before.
Speaker 11: So that's the sort of Soviet response to agriculture, was
Speaker 11: this licankoism, which ended up killing fields all over the place.
Speaker 11: So that's always been used as this example of pseudoscience too.
Speaker 5: Yes, it's a kind of example of the scienceist. I
Speaker 5: think it's in polished with Senko or something like that.
Speaker 9: Yes, Yes, didn't hit er like send a whole like
Speaker 9: brigade of motherfuckers to Tibet to Yes, Yes, because he
Speaker 9: was like looking for some what is the place in Tibet,
Speaker 9: the spiritual place that it's.
Speaker 12: Like they say, right, yeah, yes, they say Chambala. Chambala
Speaker 12: is a real place, but I'll tell you where that
Speaker 12: place is. That place is in your mind. The mind
Speaker 12: palace is in your mind obviously, and so it's not
Speaker 12: a real place. So let me just be very clear
Speaker 12: about that. Set the record straight, like straight up. So
Speaker 12: it's it's a it's a it's a place that you
Speaker 12: construct actually in your mind during visualization when you were
Speaker 12: site Montras.
Speaker 1: So it's something it's.
Speaker 12: Like a ritual, you know, it has a ritual kind
Speaker 12: of Maybe it's the higher place you're going to hyperspace kingdom.
Speaker 1: Maybe you're like you know.
Speaker 12: Childboarding in your mind, but in reality it really takes
Speaker 12: place in your consciousness. I know Alexander doesn't love that
Speaker 12: when I use that word last time, but I think
Speaker 12: it's frir though.
Speaker 5: Actually I am not into Shambala as searching for physical
Speaker 5: place now only like Atlantis, Lamoria and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: So I would agree that probably if you have the
Speaker 5: knowledge or experience about that, that yes, Shambala could be
Speaker 5: like that, but you know it can be also what
Speaker 5: you're telling about us. The best example of I think
Speaker 5: that in the previous conversation I was talking about of
Speaker 5: esoteric and exoteric meaning. It's like understanding the Bible. What
Speaker 5: you know people going to church are mostly understanding is
Speaker 5: the exo, the the outer part of the meaning. Okay,
Speaker 5: Jesus died on the cross, there were twelve apostles, et cetera.
Speaker 5: Struct but the esoteric meaning the heat and occult inside
Speaker 5: of it is that. Okay, this is this may be
Speaker 5: interpreted as a real story, but all it has also
Speaker 5: a second meaning of metaphorical story. You know, Jesus being
Speaker 5: born at the same time as you know, there's this
Speaker 5: this sun is in this lowest point on the sky,
Speaker 5: et cetera. So I think it's a good example of
Speaker 5: how Nazis were foolish about the Chambala, probably that they
Speaker 5: missed them out. But that's yes. Exoterically it's okay, lots
Speaker 5: of civilization and so on, but esoterically it's something different.
Speaker 5: Just as you mentioned before.
Speaker 9: They brought back some artifacts though, that's where the swastika
Speaker 9: came from.
Speaker 5: But if you.
Speaker 9: Really think about it, it's like rules for thee but
Speaker 9: not for me. We're allowed to have occultism, spirituality, looking
Speaker 9: for last civilizations. We're into all this shit, we're channeling gods,
Speaker 9: we're doing all this, but you guys shouldn't have spirituality.
Speaker 9: Fuck you, you need to be completely cut off from
Speaker 9: all this shit that we got going on, because if
Speaker 9: you knew what we knew, then we can control you.
Speaker 5: Yes, it's a great point. I always talk it about it.
Speaker 5: It's a hypocrisy of plenty of elites. I think it
Speaker 5: was even doing the RGN of Elizabeth, the thirst that
Speaker 5: Elizabeth said, Okay, we destroy all the occult all the
Speaker 5: esoteric stuff in our country. But at the same time
Speaker 5: as she was saying that, the public and you know,
Speaker 5: persecuting and the kind of heresies, she was having a
Speaker 5: personal occultist and she was using him for her own purposes.
Speaker 5: So the same example, as he said.
Speaker 8: That's what I'm talking about. They don't want us to
Speaker 8: know what they know.
Speaker 9: That's well, I was going to say, even if you
Speaker 9: look like Abraham Lincoln was having like seances in the
Speaker 9: White House, all of them know this stuff, they're all
Speaker 9: into it, but they want to cut us off from that.
Speaker 9: It's like, oh, okay, only you guys can know. You
Speaker 9: will live right right, right, right, right right, Yes.
Speaker 5: I agree.
Speaker 12: I just want to shout out that Hegel is actually Kabala.
Speaker 12: If you really understand Hegel, it's also Kabala. Not saying
Speaker 12: I agree with it, just saying it is Kabbala. And
Speaker 12: Lisenko is the father of modern epigenetics.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I agree with Lisenko.
Speaker 12: I don't agree with Lisenko, but I think that you
Speaker 12: just like what we're saying is like you can look
Speaker 12: at wisdom science for specific seeds of knowledge, and so
Speaker 12: in that case, the seed of epigenetics comes from Lysenko.
Speaker 1: So I don't agree with him, but again, you don't
Speaker 1: have to agree.
Speaker 12: With everybody to be able to sort of look at
Speaker 12: their work and see, you know, what is going to
Speaker 12: be generative? And I think that that's a lot of
Speaker 12: like the New Aon is, like it's going to be
Speaker 12: like what is actually generative? What is going to produce fruits?
Speaker 12: And what is going to like take humanity. Maybe it's
Speaker 12: just all about taming your consciousness like I think, but
Speaker 12: maybe it's like you know, maybe it is finding Atlanta,
Speaker 12: So who knows.
Speaker 1: Really, I think that that's an way to frame it. It
Speaker 1: We don't really know, but there's something I.
Speaker 12: Think there's something fresh about being like optimistic instead of
Speaker 12: being like tumor.
Speaker 11: Well, you're you're approaching the monopolistic angle there. So there
Speaker 11: might be elements of Lisenko that carry over. But in
Speaker 11: the in the wholesale rejection of anything, you always end
Speaker 11: up throwing the baby out with the bathwater and you
Speaker 11: don't see anything of value in it. So that's the
Speaker 11: big problem with monopolistic science is that you can never
Speaker 11: take the elements and reform at them and use them
Speaker 11: in other ways.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I believe the I don't know if it
Speaker 2: was Lashenko, but the same mode of agriculture. But Stalin
Speaker 2: infamously grew in Marxist theory. You know, everyone coming together
Speaker 2: is equal. He put forth that idea into agriculture and
Speaker 2: would grow many different types of wheat in the same fields,
Speaker 2: and they all failed or one one would do well, right,
Speaker 2: because each different we had its own needs that were
Speaker 2: slightly different than the others. And so of course the
Speaker 2: Marxist theory, which is you know, very subjective, did not
Speaker 2: work on very you know, objective agricultural processes, which they
Speaker 2: thought it would m.
Speaker 9: HM.
Speaker 5: And the more comments are something else.
Speaker 12: Yes, I do think go for go for please, Sorry, no,
Speaker 12: I just I thought it was interesting, Alexander that you
Speaker 12: spoke about this. The Soviet kind of marriage of the
Speaker 12: their psychical research was so it was even way more
Speaker 12: than the Americans, like we talked about like obviously MK
Speaker 12: and all that stuff, but the Soviets had like hundreds
Speaker 12: of programs running that were identical or similar or even worse.
Speaker 12: And so I just want to say that, like, yeah,
Speaker 12: like the Soviets did reject the supernatural less elements, but
Speaker 12: they definitely embrace the psychical ones, and that there is
Speaker 12: something useful and even in that framework, right, Like that's
Speaker 12: also what's interesting is like if you take away away
Speaker 12: the supernatural sort of elements and the layer of story,
Speaker 12: then you're actually talking about sort of our own cosmogenesis,
Speaker 12: like our own like story of humanity, rather than a
Speaker 12: story of like the deities or whatever you're talking about
Speaker 12: like fundamentally about us. So I plaud them for that,
Speaker 12: But I agree that you have to have the spiritual,
Speaker 12: you have to have like a there's a metaphysical layer
Speaker 12: like ontology.
Speaker 1: Is everything, right, Yeah, I think we all agree on that.
Speaker 5: Like, yes, it's just that Soviets you know, labeled the
Speaker 5: psychic part as a material one because they thought that,
Speaker 5: you know, the psychic would turn out to be something
Speaker 5: like gravity, all like force of electromagnetism that maybe right
Speaker 5: right at their time they do not understand it, but
Speaker 5: maybe in the future they will be able to measure
Speaker 5: it physically. But the day it couldn't do that. And
Speaker 5: there are plenty even of prototypes of you know, some
Speaker 5: kind of machines that could you know, see the auras,
Speaker 5: et cetera. And some of them, you know, allegedly work.
Speaker 5: Some of them wear a complete crap because you know,
Speaker 5: it turned out that it wasn't within this realm that
Speaker 5: they were thinking this psychic capabilities are within.
Speaker 6: Thank you. Did anybody else want to ask her at anything?
Speaker 6: Before we wrap it up? I can finally jump in, Yeah,
Speaker 6: go for it.
Speaker 10: When I was talking about science earlier, I look at
Speaker 10: it like this. I think, I think science is trying
Speaker 10: to catch up with what our theories and ideas are,
Speaker 10: and because they don't have the ability to do so,
Speaker 10: they push it to the side until something finally comes
Speaker 10: up and somebody in that you know, typical in that field,
Speaker 10: like at modern academia and so on and so forth.
Speaker 10: They don't want to lose their tenure or their seats
Speaker 10: and their you know, wherever there, so they decide not
Speaker 10: to say anything. So a lot of times, a lot
Speaker 10: of them just keep it hush hush. But they be
Speaker 10: in their houses practicing the same shit that we be practicing.
Speaker 10: Tarot's wugi bores, astro projection, lucid dreaming. They do that,
Speaker 10: but they don't want to put their name on it
Speaker 10: because they don't want to run the risk of somebody
Speaker 10: talking about them. And a good example of that right
Speaker 10: now is Ivy Lowe.
Speaker 9: Right.
Speaker 10: He keeps thinking that thing is as an extraterrestrial, right,
Speaker 10: but people are saying that the facts are saying that
Speaker 10: it's an asteroid. So now it's up to when it
Speaker 10: finally shows up. How are we able to prove it otherwise? Right,
Speaker 10: Because we got a person from Harvard, from modern academia
Speaker 10: who's actually putting their name out there on the line
Speaker 10: and so on and so forth, and you know, people
Speaker 10: are looking at him like he's crazy. But this dude
Speaker 10: has a degree in this field, right, you know what
Speaker 10: I'm saying. So who I mean, unless you have a
Speaker 10: degree in that field, What can you really say to
Speaker 10: you know, counter that? And that's when it comes up
Speaker 10: to how do they prove their facts? What can they
Speaker 10: give to us the lamest people out the group, you know,
Speaker 10: the non Harvards and you know all these other individuals.
Speaker 10: What can you give us that proves what you say
Speaker 10: and backs up what you say with you know, clear
Speaker 10: cut evidence, right like the gun is at the scene
Speaker 10: with the fingerprints type thing I can see that has
Speaker 10: clear evidence. What evidence do you have that portrays that?
Speaker 10: And I think science a lot of people are very timid.
Speaker 10: They don't want to they don't want to be the
Speaker 10: roaring woolf that goes out there and says, hey, you
Speaker 10: guys are fucking They want to say, hey, you guys
Speaker 10: are misinterpreting, and they're being sweet and nice about it.
Speaker 10: Before we even launched this this show, Nick were talking
Speaker 10: about how many times have you went to somebody said
Speaker 10: excuse me, and then the second third time you had
Speaker 10: to say excuse me, motherfucker, just to get their attention.
Speaker 10: And that's what we need, is we need a moment
Speaker 10: like that to get everybody's attention. And it's not going
Speaker 10: to help by to being the sweet and nice little
Speaker 10: people that we used to be. It's about time we start,
Speaker 10: you know, roaring with the microphones, tearing the walls off
Speaker 10: the Jerusalem and this type of just that and the
Speaker 10: third type stuff.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 2: I mean, I add to the idea of the power
Speaker 2: for people, even stately people using these occult or metaphysical
Speaker 2: or alchemical ideas. Just recently, Putin and Zea and what
Speaker 2: is the North Korean guy met and were walking around
Speaker 2: and on a hot mic. They were talking about how
Speaker 2: at seventy you're just a baby nowadays, and that they
Speaker 2: could live to be one hundred and fifty. And so
Speaker 2: they were very much interested in these alchemical ideas. But
Speaker 2: they were talking about very physical, surgical things, I believe,
Speaker 2: but interesting longevity and immortality, always a search for humanity
Speaker 2: and even just randomly they're walking along and spoke about it.
Speaker 10: And that's funny you say that. And I'll say this
Speaker 10: last thing. The Gnostics believe in internal life. You just
Speaker 10: had to have knowledge within to achieve that. That's why
Speaker 10: they were so dangerous, and that's why they were looked
Speaker 10: as evil, because they if you could live long, you
Speaker 10: can make a lot of different changes, right, whether it's
Speaker 10: for the good or the bad. A good person lives
Speaker 10: long enough, they can make some changes. A bad person
Speaker 10: lives long enough, you can make some changes. I mean,
Speaker 10: we've been been shown throughout historical events, right. But the
Speaker 10: problem is, most of the time the nice ones usually
Speaker 10: don't be able to get to make the changes that
Speaker 10: they want to because they're being too nice at times
Speaker 10: and they're not roaring and letting people know, Hey, this
Speaker 10: has got to be done the right way and this
Speaker 10: is how it's going to be.
Speaker 6: Excuse me, what the fucker that? I love it? Dude?
Speaker 6: Thank you to anybody else have anything they want to ed.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I just want to say, this is a great discussion.
Speaker 11: I think once we go back to the philosophy of
Speaker 11: science and start to deconstruct it where it's arts at
Speaker 11: instead of where everything has ended up, that's when we
Speaker 11: can start to really make the changes. Because a lot
Speaker 11: of scientific people hear these kind of things and they
Speaker 11: apply it to their own lives and they look at
Speaker 11: what they're what they're doing, and it creates a sense
Speaker 11: of self awareness. And I think that's at you know,
Speaker 11: the fundamental level of the understanding of science is self awareness.
Speaker 11: Like that's one of the first things you go into
Speaker 11: objective states by understanding yourself and seeing yourself and understanding
Speaker 11: where your biases are and everything else and being able
Speaker 11: to identify that is the first goal in producing good science,
Speaker 11: is being able to identify the pre existing biases and
Speaker 11: all the problems with separation and all the rest of
Speaker 11: these things, like you were talking about once, these different
Speaker 11: facets of different countries and geographies that break off from
Speaker 11: one another. If they had that self awareness, they can
Speaker 11: not only take those elements that they've developed independently, but
Speaker 11: integrate them in a much more you know, rationalist framework
Speaker 11: that opens up people up to new ideas. But you know,
Speaker 11: as long as it's all being dictated by war and
Speaker 11: death and killing, you're not going to get that, you know,
Speaker 11: and the biases are going to get worse.
Speaker 9: I have just one thing to add to that, actually, Headless,
Speaker 9: you inspired me. I think like the concept of like
Speaker 9: science as we know it right now is like it's
Speaker 9: like fiscar scissors and like preschool shit, like fucking putting
Speaker 9: blocks together and stuff. But if you go back like
Speaker 9: ancient Egypt, and they had fucking the Seven Sacred Sciences, Okay,
Speaker 9: that's what they had they were way more advanced than us.
Speaker 9: What we have now is dogshit compared.
Speaker 8: To what they knew and the Seven Sacred Sciences.
Speaker 9: You know, they had like arithmetic and whatever, but they
Speaker 9: also incorporated spirituality and extra dimensional type of shit into
Speaker 9: their Seven Sacred sciences.
Speaker 8: So when we think of science now, it's like fucking.
Speaker 9: Bill Nye in some you know, school program, stupid bullshit.
Speaker 9: But what they had they could, like the architecture, everything,
Speaker 9: It was a mixture of spirituality and science, and it
Speaker 9: was actually a really amazing thing. I honestly think that
Speaker 9: the Egyptians are like just a remnant of these civilizations
Speaker 9: that Alexander was talking about, Atlantis, all of these places.
Speaker 9: So yeah, I mean, I think that they target us
Speaker 9: on a biological level. You know, if you guys have
Speaker 9: heard about the god gene or whatever, they're trying to
Speaker 9: basically inject us to death so that we're not able
Speaker 9: to use that part of our brain and part of
Speaker 9: our body. So yeah, yay for science shutting down our
Speaker 9: god gene and calcifying our brain. That I mean, I
Speaker 9: think it's just it's turned into almost like a dystopian
Speaker 9: nightmare science.
Speaker 8: It's not anything like what it used to be.
Speaker 2: That.
Speaker 1: Well, the institutions are sort of crumbling.
Speaker 12: I think we're seeing a sort of you know, deconstruction
Speaker 12: or maybe like an incoherence of the Saturnian institutions, because
Speaker 12: institutions are both attorney and and solar in some ways,
Speaker 12: because they have an outward presenting face and a more
Speaker 12: occulted layer. So I think definitely we're seeing an icing
Speaker 12: out of like people's perceptions of the institutions are kind
Speaker 12: of ignoring it. And I think a lot more people
Speaker 12: are interested in like metaphysics and the things that Alexander
Speaker 12: talks about and that we all talk about. So I
Speaker 12: think that's a you know that it's a very I'm
Speaker 12: very optimistic. I have to say, like, I feel like
Speaker 12: people are really hungry for it, want to hear it,
Speaker 12: are like interested in like a totally new way. It's
Speaker 12: not so dogmatic as it was during cod times, and
Speaker 12: we can all be a lot more open minded and
Speaker 12: try and like figure it out for ourselves.
Speaker 7: I love it, We'll say, both of you. Before we
Speaker 7: wrap it up, We'll let everybody plug their shows again
Speaker 7: real quick. Go ahead, Julie. Let everybody know where they
Speaker 7: can find all your amazing work.
Speaker 9: Thanks for having me, Nick, I have this conversation. I
Speaker 9: could talk about it all day. I have Cosmic Peach podcasts.
Speaker 9: Wherever you listen to podcasts, Accult Reject part time, you
Speaker 9: can find me on Cult the Conspiracy Podcasts every Saturday.
Speaker 9: I'm everywhere and nowhere, So thank you for thank you
Speaker 9: for having me though love being in a cult reject.
Speaker 6: Thank you very much for coming on. Julie.
Speaker 7: Yes, she's like an eggor. We're going just everywhere right yet?
Speaker 7: Ten the Ninja? What is going on?
Speaker 5: Sir?
Speaker 12: Thank you so much for having me, and thank you
Speaker 12: to the panel and of course Alexander. This was a
Speaker 12: great part two and I always really enjoy hearing you
Speaker 12: and I could probably listen for a longunger and not speak.
Speaker 1: So much but appreciate it.
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Speaker 6: There you go, there it is and Headless Giant.
Speaker 11: Thank you Nick, Thank you Alexander. This has been a great,
Speaker 11: great little interview. I think a lot of people are
Speaker 11: hungry for this kind of knowledge so that they can have,
Speaker 11: you know, some sort of ammunition to fight back and
Speaker 11: gets to people trying to fill them up with all
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Speaker 6: Thank you, hell yeah, thank you very much for joining us.
Speaker 7: Yes, send those stories over to Headless and Ethan my Man.
Speaker 2: Thanks everyone, Thanks Alexander, that was awesome. Yeah, check us
Speaker 2: out tomorrow head lists and Ricardo and I'll be discussing
Speaker 2: contemporary ideas and different different ideas every week. And yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm on all the usual social media. And I got
Speaker 2: a couple of books out there actually exploring non physical topics,
Speaker 2: so a lot of it. So yeah again, Alexander, that
Speaker 2: was awesome. Thanks you guys.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, thank you for joining us. Ethan and Tyrone.
Speaker 10: Sir, Hey, I appreciate Nick. Alexander was a great presentation man.
Speaker 10: Like I said, man, you always come with the good
Speaker 10: stuff to find that good information to the knowledge that
Speaker 10: we need, you know, I you know, I really do
Speaker 10: appreciate that. Everything you can find on me is on
Speaker 10: my website, Rebirth of theWord dot com. I just created
Speaker 10: a Rumbo account where I'm actually going to actual historical places.
Speaker 10: I appreciate that, Alexander. I'm going to actual historical places.
Speaker 10: The last one I went to was just Fort George
Speaker 10: Historic site in Georgia. I was representing Colt Rejects with
Speaker 10: the shirt, so you know, I was out there representing
Speaker 10: I've got to say, he doesn't promote his book. So
Speaker 10: I do the geometry, the geometry of how to Meditate,
Speaker 10: and then uh, I got Alexander's burge get his book also.
Speaker 10: I always actually I have a couple of Ethan's books.
Speaker 10: I'm just going to the next time he's on with me,
Speaker 10: I'm going to promote the other one, so you know,
Speaker 10: just keep it going for him since he forgets a lot.
Speaker 6: But I appreciate it, y'all.
Speaker 7: Yeah, oh, thank you, thank you and uh finally Alexander,
Speaker 7: and please let everybody know like about your books and
Speaker 7: stuff that you got as well.
Speaker 5: Yes, you can find me on many social media like
Speaker 5: you to Facebook, Instagram. Just the best way is copy
Speaker 5: paste my name and surname Alexander Tashkevich. Sometimes the English
Speaker 5: one is with Global, so Alexander Tishkevich Global, because I
Speaker 5: have also a Polish one. But you will see which
Speaker 5: one is which one by the language, so don't worry.
Speaker 5: And my book is Deja Vi Has Surfing Already Been?
Speaker 5: Jazz as Tyrone is showing us. It's on Amazon in
Speaker 5: plenty of English speaking regions like USA, Canada, Australia. Just again,
Speaker 5: copy paste the title Deja Vu Has Surfing Already Been?
Speaker 5: Or my name and surname and you will find it
Speaker 5: in English. Thank you once again, thank you for all
Speaker 5: the good things you were talking about. I really am
Speaker 5: happy that you liked. I see the comments also, people
Speaker 5: liked that you. Everyone here liked what I had to say,
Speaker 5: and I can't wait for the talk about Atlantis. That
Speaker 5: will be good to thank you once again.
Speaker 7: Nick, Yeah, of course, no, thank you for bringing that up.
Speaker 7: I was gonna leave the listeners with that. If you
Speaker 7: enjoyed this show, hopefully within a few weeks while this
Speaker 7: man back on again, we'll be talking about Atlantis. I'm
Speaker 7: looking very very much forward to that again. Alexander, thank
Speaker 7: you so much for coming on. It's always a great chat,
Speaker 7: always great discussion for real, and you know, the chat
Speaker 7: loved it, and I appreciate everybody that was in the
Speaker 7: chat on all channels that it was streaming out too.
Speaker 6: That's what's up.
Speaker 7: A lot of these are there from the beginning to end,
Speaker 7: and you all had great stuff to say. That's why
Speaker 7: we go live and until the next one, everybody be well.
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