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We 10 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:32,039 usually talk to her at two o'clock on Mondays, but 11 00:00:32,399 --> 00:00:33,600 we're going to talk to her right now. 12 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:34,359 Speaker 1: It's AP Dylon. 13 00:00:34,439 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 2: She's a reporter for the North State Journal, a SJ 14 00:00:36,799 --> 00:00:41,039 online dot com. Also you can read her work at substack. 15 00:00:41,119 --> 00:00:42,960 Her newsletters called more to the story. 16 00:00:43,119 --> 00:00:43,399 Speaker 1: Ap. 17 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 3: How are you great, Pete? How you doing? 18 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:49,079 Speaker 2: I'm doing all right after I worked on my first 19 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:51,119 sunburn of the season. You know, That's what I did 20 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:55,320 sitting out at a soccer game on Saturday. So yeah, 21 00:00:55,719 --> 00:00:59,439 I got that going for me. But I feel like 22 00:00:59,479 --> 00:01:03,399 I'm in a bed place maybe than I guess. Mark Robinson, 23 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:07,920 the former lieutenant governor, ran for governor and so this 24 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:09,719 is a bit of a scoop that you've got over 25 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:14,599 at North State Journal, you talked with what I guess two? 26 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 1: Was it two of his former staffers. 27 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 3: Well, the main staffer that I talked to was Patrick Riley. 28 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,519 He was in the governor's office and then moved over 29 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:28,920 to the campaign doing campaign communications and operations there. Basically 30 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:34,239 the stories about a rumor that floated around following the 31 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,879 CNN story about the governor Lieutenant governor's use of a 32 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:44,439 pornographic website and a user id email Mini Soldier, and 33 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,359 they there was a rumor that was floating around that 34 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,719 kind of landed on the staffers as being an internal 35 00:01:50,799 --> 00:01:52,480 leak to the CNN. 36 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,519 Speaker 2: That they were the source that gave CNN the lead 37 00:01:55,760 --> 00:02:00,359 on the Nude Africa website and black Planet and Mini 38 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:01,239 Soldier account. 39 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,599 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what it seemed to be. But after talking 40 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:10,199 to the campaign staffers and the folks who actually access 41 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,199 the email after the story came out, it turns out 42 00:02:13,199 --> 00:02:15,120 that no, they were not the leakers. They didn't even 43 00:02:15,159 --> 00:02:18,520 know about it. They had only known about one handle 44 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,360 that was used a Gmail account over the past six 45 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,280 years that they were familiar with, and this, this Mini 46 00:02:24,319 --> 00:02:28,240 Soldier one was completely new to them. So I talked 47 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,000 to Riley about it, and he provided me screenshots of 48 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:35,199 when they had stated in timestamped when they attempted to 49 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,120 access that account for the first time, and the account 50 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:42,319 recovery options were needed because none of the passwords that 51 00:02:42,319 --> 00:02:45,039 they knew of worked, right, So. 52 00:02:45,039 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 2: This is them going in to try to log on 53 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,560 as Mini Soldier now apparent. And for people who aren't 54 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:54,599 aware of this, when you are a political candidate, your 55 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:58,479 staffers have like a lot of control and access into 56 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,759 your email accounts and stuff because they're they're doing your 57 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,360 comms for you. So this is not unusual for the 58 00:03:04,759 --> 00:03:08,479 for the comm staffers to have access to his email 59 00:03:08,479 --> 00:03:11,520 accounts and his passwords, and so when they what they 60 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,120 try to create or they try to log into the 61 00:03:14,159 --> 00:03:18,599 Mini Soldier account and the passwords that they're using, none 62 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:19,240 of them work. 63 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,199 Speaker 3: Nope, none of them work. So they had to go 64 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,759 to account recovery, and the account recovery email was the 65 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:29,120 one that they did have access to, but also a 66 00:03:29,159 --> 00:03:31,639 cell phone number, and that cell phone number was the 67 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,479 personal phone of the Lieutenant governor. 68 00:03:34,719 --> 00:03:38,199 Speaker 2: So this is anybody who's ever you know, forgot your password, 69 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:41,120 click here whatever, and then they send you like they 70 00:03:41,159 --> 00:03:43,680 reset your password and they send but they send it 71 00:03:43,719 --> 00:03:47,960 to a different email account and or a text message, right, 72 00:03:48,039 --> 00:03:50,879 so they verify it's you. But also you can reset 73 00:03:50,879 --> 00:03:53,840 the password and get access, and so that would have 74 00:03:53,919 --> 00:03:57,439 had to have been entered those those data points would 75 00:03:57,439 --> 00:03:59,919 have had to have been entered in by whoever had 76 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:04,000 control over that the other email account, which is I 77 00:04:04,039 --> 00:04:07,199 am the majority USA at Gmail right. 78 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:11,159 Speaker 3: Yes, correct, And I had two former staffers confirm that 79 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,639 Riley and several of the other campaign staffers who were 80 00:04:15,639 --> 00:04:18,279 there at the time verified that all three of them 81 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,759 were there when they tried to first access the account. 82 00:04:21,439 --> 00:04:24,720 So it led crenibility to the fact that this rumor 83 00:04:24,759 --> 00:04:28,480 didn't come out of the campaign itself. It came from 84 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:29,040 somewhere else. 85 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,319 Speaker 2: So somebody's trying to blame the staffers, or at least 86 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:35,360 so I don't even know. Is the rumor still Is 87 00:04:35,399 --> 00:04:38,000 that still floating around up in Raleigh or has everybody 88 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,959 just kind of like moved on from this story. I 89 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,959 know that like the rumor probably popped right when the 90 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:47,000 story did, but is it now kind of like dissipated. 91 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:52,079 Speaker 3: Well, I first heard about it in December, and I 92 00:04:52,079 --> 00:04:53,959 heard about it again in January, and it was floating 93 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:55,800 around and a couple of people had mentioned it to me, 94 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,000 but it didn't land in my inbox physically in my 95 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,519 inbox where you know, I had to consider doing something 96 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,759 with it until just the last week or so here. 97 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,360 And I think it was mainly prompted by the fact 98 00:05:07,399 --> 00:05:12,360 that Robinson has been out doing political things again. He 99 00:05:12,399 --> 00:05:14,040 said he wasn't gonna run for office and he would 100 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,959 only do things from the sidelines, but he's endorsed a 101 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:21,079 GOP chair I think in Irodale he's made. He went 102 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,560 and did some remarks in Durham of which I'm still 103 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,639 trying to get my hands on. So I think that 104 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:30,279 this popped up again in my inbox because of those things, 105 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:36,199 and the staffers, you know, are really kind of discouraged. 106 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,079 Some of them have been having trouble finding jobs after this, 107 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:42,959 and a lot of it had to do with this 108 00:05:43,079 --> 00:05:45,240 alleged rumor that was floating around that it was a 109 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,680 staffer that leaked it. So I think that this is 110 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:50,360 fairly debunked at this point. It wasn't an internal leak, 111 00:05:50,519 --> 00:05:52,759 but call didn't come from inside the house, right. 112 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: And these are this guy Riley. 113 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 2: He was one of the staffers that immediately quit when 114 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,040 the story broke, and a lot there was like three 115 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,879 of them that quit right like the day of or 116 00:06:05,959 --> 00:06:08,040 day after, or the weekend after something like that. 117 00:06:08,639 --> 00:06:11,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was days after, and it was more than 118 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,040 just a couple. I mean, I think it was four 119 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:19,360 or five. The top folks took off, the campaign advisor 120 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,839 and a couple other staffers, communications staffers and that sort 121 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:24,480 of thing. But I also think that there were some 122 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,959 departures from his actual office of the Lieutenant governor. And 123 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:32,519 I'm not privy to those that list of names right now, but. 124 00:06:32,519 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 2: He has a quote here that you've got from Riley 125 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,399 in your piece, and this is over at North State 126 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:42,279 Journal's website. You can read it that it said to us, 127 00:06:42,399 --> 00:06:45,879 it meant, if for good password leads you from the 128 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,959 Mini Soldier account to the email that we know that 129 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:53,319 you have. Unless CNN or Josh Stein or somebody had 130 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:55,920 his phone and got a text message to his personal 131 00:06:55,959 --> 00:06:59,879 phone number, they couldn't have got into that email to 132 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:01,800 Hacket or whatever. 133 00:07:01,959 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 1: It was him. 134 00:07:03,079 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 2: So these guys, Riley believes that the Mini Soldier account 135 00:07:06,879 --> 00:07:07,959 was Robinson's. 136 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,519 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, and in fact I think that was proven 137 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:14,319 true later once they did gain access like a month 138 00:07:14,399 --> 00:07:18,199 later or in December. It might have been Robinson used 139 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,120 that email account to log into a zoom meeting. I 140 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:24,240 think it was the Council of State. Yeah, yeah, so 141 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:28,120 obviously they regained access to it or they re established 142 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:29,439 access to it after that point. 143 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:29,759 Speaker 1: Yeah. 144 00:07:29,759 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 2: Well, I mean when you got a great handle, you know, 145 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,439 when you have that, when you go to all those 146 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:39,240 lengths to create the catchy name for your avatar, like 147 00:07:39,279 --> 00:07:42,199 you don't want to just give it up. So I 148 00:07:42,199 --> 00:07:45,959 don't know, it's not even a good name anyway. All right, 149 00:07:45,959 --> 00:07:48,319 so let me ask you. Now, the North Carolina Court 150 00:07:48,319 --> 00:07:51,920 of Appeals, they issued a ruling. 151 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,519 Speaker 1: This would have been what late, This was on Friday. 152 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 2: In the the Rigs Griffin recount case that will not 153 00:07:58,759 --> 00:07:59,439 ever end. 154 00:07:59,759 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: So well, yeah, what was the latest there? 155 00:08:03,079 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 3: Well, basically, the Court of Appeal cided into to one 156 00:08:06,519 --> 00:08:11,360 decision with Griffin that his election protests were valid and 157 00:08:11,439 --> 00:08:15,759 that the NTSB shouldn't the elections Boord shouldn't have dismissed 158 00:08:16,439 --> 00:08:21,759 some of his elections protests, especially to the consider stuff 159 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:25,920 like voter registrations. They had found that the State Board 160 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:29,480 of Elections had been told of the error in some 161 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,639 of these voter registrations that have been continued to allow 162 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,759 to happen, and they hadn't cured them or done anything 163 00:08:35,799 --> 00:08:38,440 to fix them, which is part of the order that 164 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:41,279 this Court of Appeals put out that we're going to 165 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,279 have fifteen days from the date disorders effective to get 166 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:46,919 the voters to cure their own registrations in order to 167 00:08:46,919 --> 00:08:49,600 be counted. And there's sixty some one thousand of those, 168 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,279 and that complaint goes back a couple of years. There 169 00:08:53,279 --> 00:08:55,320 was a lawsuit brought a couple of years ago that 170 00:08:55,399 --> 00:08:58,440 brought this to the a tension of the Board of Elections, 171 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:01,600 and they didn't seem to do much with it. The 172 00:09:01,639 --> 00:09:04,879 other one was the never residence and these are people 173 00:09:04,919 --> 00:09:07,799 who have never lived in North Carolina. Their parents may 174 00:09:07,879 --> 00:09:10,080 or may have not lived in North Carolina at some point, 175 00:09:10,519 --> 00:09:14,799 but yet they're registered to vote here having never set 176 00:09:14,799 --> 00:09:16,960 foot in the state. That's why they're called never residence. 177 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:20,200 And there's about seven thousand of those, I believe. And 178 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:22,519 then there were some ones that didn't show voter ID 179 00:09:22,799 --> 00:09:26,480 or didn't you know, register using voter ID, and you know, 180 00:09:26,519 --> 00:09:30,080 their their identities weren't verified. And I think there's you know, 181 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,120 four or five thousand of those, and I think those 182 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:37,039 deal mainly with overseas and military ballots, so those those 183 00:09:37,279 --> 00:09:41,240 might be a little bit more tricky because you know, 184 00:09:41,279 --> 00:09:42,720 when you go to the polls, you have to show 185 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,080 your ID now, so that that could be argued that, yeah, 186 00:09:45,159 --> 00:09:49,639 they've shown ID so, but the overseas voters, who knows. 187 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:51,600 But you know, at the heart of the case, though, 188 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:54,759 the two of them that really matter, I think are 189 00:09:54,480 --> 00:10:00,399 the corrected registration form. You know, the these registration were 190 00:10:00,399 --> 00:10:02,600 being entered into the database and they didn't have the 191 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:07,960 required verification like a Social Security number or you know, 192 00:10:08,039 --> 00:10:10,480 birth dates or that kind of thing that are you 193 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:12,559 need to have in order for the registration to be 194 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,559 valid under state law and those things. There's about sixty 195 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,440 thousand of those and those were not corrected. So I 196 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:22,159 think that's that's a huge chunk there, And if this 197 00:10:22,279 --> 00:10:25,960 goes forward, you know, it could it could turn the 198 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:30,279 election back to Griffin. However, Riggs on Friday afternoon immediately 199 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:32,039 came out and said that we're going to be appealing 200 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,440 it to the North Carolina Supreme Court, So we're going 201 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,480 to have another couple Yanks, or at least of back 202 00:10:37,519 --> 00:10:37,919 and forth. 203 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt about that. 204 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:41,559 Speaker 2: In fact, she and the State Board of Elections filed 205 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:45,840 paperwork today seeking a stay in the election dispute. 206 00:10:45,919 --> 00:10:48,519 Speaker 1: So that's where we stay. Ye stand on that, Ap Dylan. 207 00:10:48,519 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 2: You can read her work at the North State Journal 208 00:10:50,919 --> 00:10:53,799 n SJ online dot com, and her substack is called 209 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,159 more to the Story. Thanks ap, We appreciate it. Have 210 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:57,639 a great week. We'll talk to you next Monday. 211 00:10:58,320 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 3: Thanks, Pete. 212 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: All right, take care, all. 213 00:11:00,159 --> 00:11:01,879 Speaker 2: Right, if you're listening to this show, you know I 214 00:11:01,919 --> 00:11:03,799 try to keep up with all sorts of current events, 215 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:05,879 and I know you do too, And you've probably heard 216 00:11:05,919 --> 00:11:10,000 me say get your news from multiple sources. Why well, 217 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,720 because it's how you detect media bias, which is why 218 00:11:12,759 --> 00:11:15,960 I've been so impressed with ground News. It's an app 219 00:11:16,159 --> 00:11:19,360 and it's a website and it combines news from around 220 00:11:19,399 --> 00:11:21,840 the world in one place so you can compare coverage 221 00:11:22,039 --> 00:11:24,759 and verify information. 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I 233 00:11:53,919 --> 00:11:57,240 use the Vantage plan to get unlimited access to every feature. 234 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,240 Your subscription then not only helps my podcast, but it 235 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,399 also supports Ground News as they make the media landscape 236 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:07,519 more transparent. All right, So from the North State Journal 237 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:13,080 article by ap Dylan, a rumor. The rumor was that 238 00:12:13,639 --> 00:12:21,600 a staffer had leaked information to CNN in the month, 239 00:12:22,159 --> 00:12:24,279 month and a half whatever it was, right before the 240 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:31,840 election about their boss, former Lieutenant Governor Mark Robinson. And 241 00:12:31,919 --> 00:12:35,080 you know how he had this account on a couple 242 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:45,960 of these porn websites, Nude Africa and black Planet, and was, yeah, 243 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:52,039 like the confounding thing was like who posts stuff like 244 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:53,759 that on a porn site? 245 00:12:53,879 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: I don't even get that, But and the stuff was 246 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:58,159 just awful. 247 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,279 Speaker 2: I read through and I never I could never any 248 00:13:00,279 --> 00:13:01,960 of this stuff on the air because it was so 249 00:13:03,399 --> 00:13:08,279 disgusting and in violation of I think seven or eight 250 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:12,720 thousand FCC rules. Okay, Like I couldn't even couldn't even 251 00:13:12,759 --> 00:13:17,600 reference this stuff. And remember he immediately came out and 252 00:13:17,639 --> 00:13:22,000 said it's all a lie, and he said, oh, I 253 00:13:22,039 --> 00:13:24,039 got hacked. It must have been a hack or something 254 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:28,279 like that. On September nineteenth, twenty twenty four, is when 255 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:35,039 CNN published that article, and Robinson denied the report and 256 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:38,279 he said he was staying in the race. CNN's article 257 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:43,840 tied Robinson to comments made between two thousand and eight 258 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:49,039 through twenty twelve by tracing an email address, which was 259 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:58,639 Mini Soldier, across several different social media platforms like Twitter, YouTube, Facebook, 260 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:01,279 discussed Discuss. 261 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:03,279 Speaker 1: That's the it's like. 262 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 2: The commenting app that like a lot of websites will 263 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:10,080 use instead of like the Facebook where you can leave 264 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:14,000 comments using your Facebook profile, but Discus is sort of 265 00:14:14,039 --> 00:14:17,519 it hosts a lot of that stuff. Anyway, the CNN 266 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:22,600 article never did cite any human sources, and that raised 267 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:28,320 my suspicion, you don't have anybody quoted in this, and 268 00:14:28,399 --> 00:14:32,639 you also don't tell us how you came across this information, 269 00:14:33,879 --> 00:14:38,960 and that led to the speculation up in Raleigh about 270 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:42,559 who may have been involved. And so this was how 271 00:14:42,639 --> 00:14:46,679 the rumor started that it was somebody on Robinson's staff 272 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:51,559 who had leaked the information to CNN, And the one 273 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,080 that is named in these rumors is a guy named 274 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:55,000 Patrick Riley. 275 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:58,559 Speaker 1: Pat Riley not the guy from the New York Knicks. 276 00:14:59,639 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 2: He is currently now out of politics, apparently can't get 277 00:15:04,159 --> 00:15:06,120 a job in politics, so I think he's in the 278 00:15:06,159 --> 00:15:11,639 insurance industry and ap Dylan got an interview. 279 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,759 Speaker 1: With him, and he said he had worked as she says. 280 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,159 Speaker 2: Riley had worked in the Lieutenant Governor's office and served 281 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,639 as director of campaign operations. Was among several staffers to 282 00:15:20,799 --> 00:15:25,279 depart the campaign following the CNN articles publication. Others included 283 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:31,159 Robinson's top advisor, guy by the name of Conrad Pogorlaski 284 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:38,960 po Pogerzelski Okay, as well as the campaign manager, Chris Rodriguez. 285 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:47,559 So all three of them left. Conrad Poegerzelski, he said, 286 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,679 my team and I divided, devoted our lives to this campaign. 287 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:54,159 Anybody who believes I or my staff would torpedo years 288 00:15:54,159 --> 00:15:57,120 of sacrifice in the final weeks by working with a 289 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:01,279 liberal media outlet is completely delusional. I invite anybody spreading 290 00:16:01,279 --> 00:16:04,360 these this slanderous lie to come forward publicly rather than 291 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:12,200 hiding behind anonymous accusations. Now, Patrick Riley talked about and 292 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:15,240 we went over with AP a couple of minutes ago 293 00:16:15,279 --> 00:16:18,360 there about how they tried to access the Mini Soldier 294 00:16:18,399 --> 00:16:24,519 email account when the CNN article was published. This has 295 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,120 this has not been reported on until now. Riley said 296 00:16:28,639 --> 00:16:33,120 that they had the access to one of or several 297 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:36,879 but one personal Gmail address that was held by Robinson. 298 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,399 I am the majority. That was the name of the 299 00:16:40,559 --> 00:16:47,200 email account. And regarding the Mini Soldier account, Riley said, 300 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:49,600 I didn't even know that email existed at all. That's 301 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:52,399 a Yahoo account. But when we got word that CNN 302 00:16:52,519 --> 00:16:55,960 was giving us forty eight hours, our first thought was, 303 00:16:56,000 --> 00:17:00,159 there's no way this is real. There's absolutely no way. 304 00:17:00,159 --> 00:17:04,480 Call Mark and Conrad talks to Mark, and Mark denied 305 00:17:04,519 --> 00:17:08,359 it all to everybody one hundred percent. When the campaign 306 00:17:08,839 --> 00:17:12,799 tried to access the email with one of the known 307 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,839 passwords used by Robinson, none of them worked. 308 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:16,319 Speaker 1: He said. 309 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 2: I tried to log in myself because Mark's password was 310 00:17:19,599 --> 00:17:24,240 the same pretty much for everything. So heads up, Robinson, 311 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,559 you probably want to change your password. Riley went on 312 00:17:27,599 --> 00:17:32,119 to say that the recovery email for the Mini Soldier account. 313 00:17:32,279 --> 00:17:35,160 So when he tried to log into many Soldier at Yahoo, 314 00:17:35,599 --> 00:17:39,119 he didn't have the right password, and so he said, 315 00:17:40,519 --> 00:17:45,039 I need to reset and recover my email access my password. 316 00:17:45,599 --> 00:17:48,680 And they said, okay, here's the email and phone number 317 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:51,799 on file for your recovery. And it was I am 318 00:17:51,839 --> 00:17:56,359 the Majority and it was Robinson's cell phone. And that 319 00:17:56,599 --> 00:18:01,799 is when they knew he had denied it to them. 320 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:06,839 Now they knew because the email staffers knew that I 321 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:10,720 am the majority one and the cell phone number was 322 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:14,519 the one that Robinson had been using for like six years. 323 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,079 Speaker 1: That's his personal number, so they knew it. It was 324 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:17,559 his phone. 325 00:18:18,039 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 2: It was his number you could send a text to 326 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,200 get into many Soldier at yahoo dot com. So to me, 327 00:18:23,319 --> 00:18:27,200 that meant, hey, he did it. Here's a great idea. 328 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:30,119 How about making an escape to a really special and 329 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:33,359 secluded getaway in western North Carolina. 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The 352 00:19:48,799 --> 00:19:55,200 former Lieutenant Governor Mark Robinson, Riley said, quote, Obviously, Robinson 353 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:59,240 still denies that he did it, that he was this 354 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,640 mini soul, he had this account and he posted all 355 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,359 of this disgusting. 356 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 1: Filthy, vile stuff on these websites. 357 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:12,759 Speaker 2: But to us, that meant when he tried to log 358 00:20:12,839 --> 00:20:15,240 in to get the password and it says, you know, 359 00:20:15,279 --> 00:20:19,200 if it prompts you to the other email and phone number, 360 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:23,880 then that would indicate that you know, somebody else had 361 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:28,079 set up that account, and that somebody else was probably 362 00:20:28,079 --> 00:20:31,519 Mark Robinson because it was connected to him and his 363 00:20:31,599 --> 00:20:35,960 other accounts. Two sources familiar with the campaign confirmed on 364 00:20:36,039 --> 00:20:39,160 background to North State Journal that Riley's claims about accessing 365 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:42,880 the Mini Soldier email were accurate. Riley also told North 366 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:46,839 State Journal that whoever was pushing the rumor now was 367 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:52,480 a quote sorry human being. And Riley says he has 368 00:20:52,559 --> 00:20:58,920 heard Mark Robinson himself saying that Riley leaked the information. 369 00:20:59,839 --> 00:21:05,440 So Riley has heard rumors that Robinson is pinning this 370 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:12,680 on him, and Riley is saying that's garbage, that's not true. 371 00:21:13,559 --> 00:21:17,400 So why would Robinson say that? 372 00:21:18,079 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 1: Right? 373 00:21:18,519 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 2: So let's assume for the moment, let's assume that this 374 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:26,359 is all some big hit job. Right, Robinson didn't write 375 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,319 any of that stuff, He didn't go by many soldier, 376 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,759 right whatever, because he denied all of this. Let's assume 377 00:21:31,799 --> 00:21:34,319 that's the case. So you would think then that he 378 00:21:34,319 --> 00:21:40,319 would have to be highly suspicious of the people in 379 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,799 his camp, right, because if they had access to all 380 00:21:43,839 --> 00:21:49,960 of his email accounts, they knew his password, they could 381 00:21:50,039 --> 00:21:55,359 have created this thing themselves, which does not make a 382 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,640 lot of sense, because the people that were around him 383 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,960 had been around him from the very beginning. These were 384 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:06,039 guys that like saw Mark Robinson do the speech at 385 00:22:06,039 --> 00:22:10,880 the Greensboro City Council and that video went viral, and 386 00:22:12,599 --> 00:22:16,319 they then started working with him and parlayed that into 387 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:20,319 a successful run for lieutenant governor, and then they were 388 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,240 going to run for governor. Right, They've been with him 389 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,359 the whole time, and we're supposed to believe that they 390 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:30,680 all now just were one of them crafted this entire 391 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:31,640 thing and. 392 00:22:33,519 --> 00:22:36,799 Speaker 1: Then gave it to CNN. It doesn't make a lot 393 00:22:36,799 --> 00:22:37,240 of sense. 394 00:22:37,319 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 2: And of course it also doesn't make a lot of 395 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:44,799 sense after Robinson in like the last Council of State 396 00:22:45,279 --> 00:22:50,839 zoom call. Council of State is the ten statewide elected offices, 397 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:56,319 you know, governor, lieutenant governor, Attorney general, Agriculture commissioner, Secretary 398 00:22:56,319 --> 00:22:59,000 of State, like all of those ten spots, Council of 399 00:22:59,039 --> 00:23:02,720 State and they meet like once a month. And Robinson 400 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:09,240 joined the zoom call and the name on the account 401 00:23:09,279 --> 00:23:14,400 is Mini Soldier. And I'm assuming that's the case because 402 00:23:15,519 --> 00:23:19,680 when he joined, he joined using that Yahoo email. 403 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: That's the That would be my assumption. I don't know, 404 00:23:24,079 --> 00:23:30,799 but yeah, that's what he did. So it looks it 405 00:23:30,799 --> 00:23:32,559 looks like he did it. That's the way. 406 00:23:32,759 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 2: And now it appears that he's trying to to make 407 00:23:37,039 --> 00:23:42,119 some sort of inroads back into politics. Let's see here 408 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:46,839 to do ap Dillon reporting that he has endorsed Alex Nelson, 409 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,799 a candidate for GOP cheer in Iredell County. Robinson and 410 00:23:50,839 --> 00:23:53,759 his wife Yolanda also attended an April seventh event in 411 00:23:53,839 --> 00:23:58,400 Claremont in support of Nelson. Also, he allegedly spoke at 412 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:03,440 a GOP related event held Durham in March. Now you 413 00:24:03,559 --> 00:24:08,359 may recall that Robinson, when the CNN story came out 414 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,480 and people were like, you know, well, what's your responses, 415 00:24:11,519 --> 00:24:13,799 says it's all not true. It's a hatch a job, 416 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:15,599 it's a smear, it's a lie, and we're going to 417 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:19,319 focus on the campaign. And that didn't that didn't suffice, 418 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,319 and then people started saying like, dude, you need to 419 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,200 file for defamation. Then there were people that were offering 420 00:24:25,759 --> 00:24:28,920 services to him, like, hey, we can you know track 421 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,119 down this hack if that's what happened, we can you know, 422 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,319 go through the data and all of this, and he 423 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,680 was he said no to all of that, and that 424 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:42,680 raised suspicions, and then of course he announces he's going 425 00:24:42,759 --> 00:24:46,359 to file a lawsuit and that was done in mid 426 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:50,440 October twenty twenty four, filed a defamation lawsuit against CNN, 427 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:55,000 and then after he lost and then he's out of office. 428 00:24:55,039 --> 00:24:58,480 In January, they dropped the lawsuit. They announced the lawsuit 429 00:24:58,559 --> 00:25:04,000 was being dropped. 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You never know. 460 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 2: It's one of those things, you know, like you bought 461 00:26:54,440 --> 00:27:00,160 the cap and then you know it's a piece of history. 462 00:27:01,839 --> 00:27:05,279 Maybe somebody, I mean, Mark Robinson is a pretty unique name. 463 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,839 You just hold on to that thing for like another century. 464 00:27:08,079 --> 00:27:13,440 Maybe another Robinson runs for governor in threeenty twenty four something. 465 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 1: I gu you never know. You never know what else here? Oh, 466 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:18,759 get this. 467 00:27:19,079 --> 00:27:21,759 Speaker 2: There is a bill in the North Carolina legislature now 468 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:27,319 that would restrict the practice of surprise billing, which I 469 00:27:27,319 --> 00:27:31,160 don't know about you, but I always look forward to 470 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:36,359 the surprise bills, right Like I love surprises, especially big 471 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,359 fat medical bills from hospitals that show up. 472 00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 1: No, I don't. 473 00:27:41,519 --> 00:27:44,519 Speaker 2: So this passed the North Carolina Senate. It's an effort 474 00:27:44,519 --> 00:27:47,759 to require more transparency for patients. This is the story 475 00:27:47,759 --> 00:27:51,839 at wr L dot com by Laura Leslie. The bill, 476 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,400 which passed by a vote of forty for to two, 477 00:27:55,039 --> 00:27:58,720 so bipartisan, aims to give people a better idea of 478 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,640 what a medical procedure it might cost them before they 479 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:06,400 agree to it. Yeah, what, that's not the way we 480 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:10,279 do things here. Come on, this is the practice of medicine, 481 00:28:10,279 --> 00:28:13,519 which I always remind people there's a reason they call 482 00:28:13,559 --> 00:28:16,880 it the practice of medicine and not the perfect Okay, 483 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,559 So they don't even know what the price of these 484 00:28:19,599 --> 00:28:23,599 things might be, and so I don't know how they're 485 00:28:23,599 --> 00:28:25,240 going to be able to come up with a price 486 00:28:25,279 --> 00:28:29,480 tag for your procedure before you get it. I like, 487 00:28:29,559 --> 00:28:32,799 that's surely you don't expect them to know what these 488 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:38,039 costs are. This would give patients more certainty over whether 489 00:28:38,079 --> 00:28:40,519 their care will be in network or out of network, 490 00:28:40,599 --> 00:28:43,680 and to stop new bills from continuing to arrive months 491 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:48,880 and even years after the procedure. The proposal would also 492 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:56,839 include requirements to insurance companies utilization review processes, including a 493 00:28:56,839 --> 00:29:00,599 three day timeline for prior authorization. Does not go as 494 00:29:00,599 --> 00:29:04,000 far as some House Republicans have proposed in overhauling that 495 00:29:04,119 --> 00:29:07,079 whole system, the prior authorization process. Right, you've got to 496 00:29:07,079 --> 00:29:10,519 get prior authorization before you go in for the procedure. 497 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:15,799 The bill now goes to the State House. Don't know 498 00:29:16,759 --> 00:29:20,079 if it's got a chance to succeed over there. The 499 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:24,960 Senate has passed similar bills in recent years two different times, 500 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,359 but both of those bills went nowhere in the State 501 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,519 House in the face of intense lobbying in opposition by 502 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:38,640 the hospital industry. Why wouldn't they want people to know 503 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,480 the price of their services? 504 00:29:41,519 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: So weird. 505 00:29:43,359 --> 00:29:45,519 Speaker 2: Supporters of the effort say that if Senate Bill three 506 00:29:45,519 --> 00:29:48,519 point sixteen becomes law, it would at least give people 507 00:29:48,559 --> 00:29:52,039 more information to make decisions on their healthcare, and ideally, 508 00:29:52,079 --> 00:29:54,640 they say, it could potentially also lead to lower costs 509 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,000 for everybody in the future. Yes, because when you have 510 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:04,680 price transparence transparency, right, then not only does the patient know, 511 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,400 but the insurers know. 512 00:30:08,319 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 1: The government knows, right, the state health plan would know. 513 00:30:13,319 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 2: Remember Dale Folwell, the former state treasurer, and he got 514 00:30:18,119 --> 00:30:21,319 sideways with the hospital industry because he wanted to do 515 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,480 the clear pricing plan. He wanted to, you know, give 516 00:30:24,519 --> 00:30:28,599 people the information. And but more importantly, he's the administrator 517 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,119 of the state employee health plan and he wanted to 518 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,759 know how much does a hip replacement cost in Greensboro 519 00:30:35,079 --> 00:30:42,079 versus Charlotte. And you're getting these you know, great disparities 520 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:46,000 in the pricing depending on the hospital, the location, whatever, 521 00:30:46,079 --> 00:30:48,440 and so he wanted he wanted to know, like give 522 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,920 me your your price list, and they refused, and then 523 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,039 I think he had to like hit him with a 524 00:30:54,079 --> 00:30:57,000 Freedom of Information Act request and then they finally divulged 525 00:30:57,039 --> 00:30:58,599 some of it to him, but it was all blacked out. 526 00:30:58,799 --> 00:31:02,960 They redacted like some ridiculous amount of pages, like it 527 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,480 was a like a thirty page document and all of 528 00:31:05,519 --> 00:31:08,839 it was blacked out. So they don't want everybody to 529 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,720 know the prices. This is this is a fun test 530 00:31:11,759 --> 00:31:14,440 too when you go to the doctor and they ask 531 00:31:14,519 --> 00:31:16,240 you because I did this one time when I first 532 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:20,160 got my HSA account and they said, oh, you're due 533 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,400 for a tetnis shot. Do you want your tetanis shot? 534 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,039 And I said, well, I'm paying for it with my HSA, 535 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,440 so I would like to know what the price is 536 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:30,920 because I had just started the HSA and I didn't 537 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:32,119 have a lot of money in it, and so I 538 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,720 didn't you want to drain it for a tetnis shot? 539 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,759 And I asked my doctor what the price on it 540 00:31:38,799 --> 00:31:42,000 was and he said, I don't know, and he's like, well, 541 00:31:42,039 --> 00:31:44,359 so he sends the nurse out to go find the 542 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,240 price on it. And when she comes back, now this 543 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,279 was like twenty years ago, and she comes back and says, 544 00:31:50,319 --> 00:31:53,599 it's like over seventy dollars for a shot for this 545 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,240 tetnis shot, which seems weird. Doesn't that seem weird? It 546 00:31:57,279 --> 00:32:02,000 seems like the tetnis SHOT's been around a while, you know. Anyway, 547 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,519 he said, I'll just wait till you step on a 548 00:32:04,599 --> 00:32:06,400 rusty nail like that. 549 00:32:07,319 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 1: You don't need it. Then at that price point you 550 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:10,200 don't really need it. 551 00:32:11,359 --> 00:32:13,279 Speaker 2: You can get it if you want, if you you know, 552 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,000 you want to be safe, and you have seventy dollars whatever. 553 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,720 But that's up to you to decide. That's the free market, right, 554 00:32:20,279 --> 00:32:23,240 that's the free market. Let people know what the price is. 555 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,160 The whole system is so out of whack because we 556 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,480 don't we don't get the signals from the provider and 557 00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:33,279 the user. We have insurance companies in the middle, we 558 00:32:33,359 --> 00:32:36,440 got government regulators in the middle of it, and everybody's 559 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,960 keeping you know, all of these numbers hidden from the 560 00:32:40,119 --> 00:32:44,680 end point user, the patient, and the patients may be 561 00:32:44,839 --> 00:32:50,559 making different choices based on the pricing and the competition 562 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:55,119 between the hospitals is also short circuited because you don't 563 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:59,519 see they don't see each other's pricing. Some Democrats voiced 564 00:32:59,599 --> 00:33:02,720 concern that this bill's new restrictions on when hospitals can 565 00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:07,559 charge facility fees, though, could be problematic for hospitals operational budgets. 566 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,400 And the bill would also require hospitals to send patients 567 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,559 an itemized bill before the hospital could send the patient 568 00:33:14,599 --> 00:33:17,920 into collections for not paying their bill, so you would 569 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,400 have to actually know what you're getting charged for. 570 00:33:22,279 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 1: This is a radical idea. 571 00:33:25,079 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 2: All right, that'll do it for this episode. Thank you 572 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,440 so much for listening. 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