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Speaker 3: How are you host of weekend?
Speaker 1: Oh, Sonny good? I need some heat, but a little
Speaker 1: coalking about, don it's still cold a little bit.
Speaker 3: The mornings are still a little bit cold. Let's be
Speaker 3: honest here. The weekend did not start off well. On Friday.
Speaker 3: We lost our friend, everyone's friend in the hockey community,
Speaker 3: Ernie Punch McLean at the age of ninety three. We
Speaker 3: felt honored. We attended a get together for Ernie's ninety
Speaker 3: third birthday not that long ago at Woody's in New Westminster,
Speaker 3: and we gave him a sports page hat, one of
Speaker 3: the Donnie and Dolly check TV sports page hats. I
Speaker 3: didn't know this, but Ernie wore this hat all over
Speaker 3: the place, all over the place. Okay, So he calls
Speaker 3: me frantically, I don't know. A month or two ago,
Speaker 3: Donnie was I was at a kind of game and
Speaker 3: I lost a hat. It was over a month ago. Obviously,
Speaker 3: he launched the sports paychat. You got to get me
Speaker 3: another one, and so you know, I'm like, no problem,
Speaker 3: I'll come up with one, and never got it to him.
Speaker 3: So here you go. There's the sports Paychat. We're going
Speaker 3: to put it out front of our desk today for
Speaker 3: the show and maybe for a long long time. It's
Speaker 3: in honor of Ernie Punch McLean, who leaves us at
Speaker 3: the age of ninety three. Single vehicle accident up North
Speaker 3: near D's Lake, which is really up north. We talk
Speaker 3: about Dawson Creek at Ford's h it's well past that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: single car accident. Ernie was checking in on his mine
Speaker 3: up there in the Atlan area. I believe that's where
Speaker 3: he was headed and he loses his life at age
Speaker 3: ninety three. And the hard part to take is that
Speaker 3: he just looked so with a lot of hard things
Speaker 3: to take here, he looked so healthy. On Wednesday, there
Speaker 3: was a press conference with all his newest Minster Bruns
Speaker 3: friends and his friends from the hockey community. Bill Ranford
Speaker 3: was there and Patrick Singh is good buddy, Terry Richardson,
Speaker 3: all sorts of news Bruins alumni were there, Steve Clippendale
Speaker 3: and everything seemed to be final. It was they're trying
Speaker 3: to get a statue erected. We talked about last week,
Speaker 3: a statue erected of Ernie Punch McClain outside of Queen's
Speaker 3: Park Arena. They started the drive farhand hosted that event
Speaker 3: and that within forty eight hours later he's passed away.
Speaker 3: It makes me feel worse about not getting him the hat,
Speaker 3: but God bless them. We'll talk more about Ernie McClain
Speaker 3: later on. We managed to hook up with Stan Smiel,
Speaker 3: who played four seasons with Punch McClain for the Newest
Speaker 3: Bruins for w HL it's called the w SHL back
Speaker 3: then Western Canada Hockey League back then for WCHL titles
Speaker 3: in the seventies two Memorial Cup title. Stan was there
Speaker 3: for all of that. Of course, now with the Canucks legend,
Speaker 3: Newest Bruins legend, he's hiking in Portugal, but Stan was
Speaker 3: kind enough to join us to talk about Ernie and
Speaker 3: we'll air that interview in our second segment. God Bless Ernie,
Speaker 3: Punch p Clan. We'll talk more about Ernie as the
Speaker 3: show alls on Tough Transition. We're going to make it here.
Speaker 3: The Canucks GM search Rick. Tuesday, they after they infamously
Speaker 3: dropped in the NHL Draft lottery, Jim Rutherford met with
Speaker 3: the media and said the Canucks would have an announcement
Speaker 3: to make regarding their front office regarding a new GM
Speaker 3: to replace Patrick Alvin this week. What's the latest we're
Speaker 3: hearing about and you talked about this on Friday when
Speaker 3: I wasn't here. We're hearing that it's down to two,
Speaker 3: Evan Gold and current Canucks assistant GM abbots Ford GM
Speaker 3: Ryan Johnson. Evan Gold from the Boston Bris where are
Speaker 3: we all right?
Speaker 1: As of this morning, the Canucks have not selected a winner.
Speaker 1: Johnson or Gold would not surprise anybody if they picked
Speaker 1: their new GM today. Start negotiating, maybe announce it tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Most people feel that Jim Rutherford is pushing for Johnson.
Speaker 1: Most people feel that the ownership could be leaning towards
Speaker 1: the fresh face. Donnie, you have fresh ideas. Time, time
Speaker 1: to get some new eyes. Evan Gold, Evan Gold, and
Speaker 1: back to respect. So you're agreeing with the don I'm
Speaker 1: not agreeing with anybody. This is this Evan Gold, right,
Speaker 1: this is Evan Gold. A good young guy. No, a
Speaker 1: good young guy.
Speaker 3: Well, you know it's not Ryan Johnson.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's good hair, the hairs. He's got to work
Speaker 1: on the hair. No, it even got killed for that hair, Donnie.
Speaker 3: Are you serious?
Speaker 1: Look at it. It's all to the look at mine.
Speaker 1: It's going right to left. It shouldn't go right to live.
Speaker 1: He needs gel. Anyways, Gold really impressed in his interviews,
Speaker 1: Like Donnie, it is so hard to handicap this. One minute,
Speaker 1: I talked to someone who says this Johnson. Next second
Speaker 1: I talk to someone says it's Gold. It's fifty to
Speaker 1: fifty right now. I don't know how they're gonna pick this.
Speaker 1: Like I have to tell you. Don I get off
Speaker 1: the phone with one guy and I feel comfortable it's Gold.
Speaker 1: Did I get off the phone with somebody else? And
Speaker 1: then I'm thinking, Okay, it's going to be Johnson. Is
Speaker 1: there a loyalty factor here? If there is a loyalty
Speaker 1: factor here, then it's Johnson spending your thirteen years. If
Speaker 1: you want the new fresh guy that impressed the hell
Speaker 1: out of you in interviews, it's Gold.
Speaker 3: But how did Ryan Johnson do an interviews? Well? I
Speaker 3: mean they know him what.
Speaker 1: They know him inside out? What could Ryan Johnson tell
Speaker 1: him in interviews that they didn't already know He's spent
Speaker 1: here thirteen years? Like what could you? And this is
Speaker 1: what I believe hurts Ryan Johnson is these new guys
Speaker 1: come in with fresh ideas and fresh visions and fresh plans,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, ownership's going.
Speaker 3: So did Jim Benning and Patrick Alvin?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well absolutely, it's really hard to have the cap
Speaker 1: right now, Gold or Johnson. I'm hearing both ways. I'm
Speaker 1: hearing fifty to fifty right now. It's gonna be a
Speaker 1: tough call.
Speaker 3: Let me ask you this, is there a chance they
Speaker 3: get both? They hire Evan Gold away from Boston but
Speaker 3: keep Ryan Johnson.
Speaker 1: I can't see it. I don't see a world where
Speaker 1: they're both here. Okay, Gold is not leaving Boston as
Speaker 1: an assistant GM to become an assistant GM in Vancouver.
Speaker 1: There's no way Ryan Johnson isn't.
Speaker 3: We're looking at now right longside of Evan Gold.
Speaker 1: Would Ryan Johnson work under Gold? I don't think so,
Speaker 1: you know. And then last time I checked, the Nashville
Speaker 1: job still open. It's still open. And last time I checked,
Speaker 1: Ryan Johnson lives in Nashville in the offseason.
Speaker 3: Well that's interesting. Yeah, And it is strange that Nashville
Speaker 3: has not not only not named anybody, but you just
Speaker 3: don't hear anything out of there. And I mean the
Speaker 3: hockey world say they're waiting on somebody, That's where I'm going.
Speaker 1: Are they waiting on Ryan Johnson? I did hear just
Speaker 1: more a little bit more Ryan Johnson this weekend than
Speaker 1: Evan Gold. But we'll see, we'll see if there's a
Speaker 1: loyalty factor that gets him over the top.
Speaker 3: Okay, So meanwhile, you've got this, if you want to
Speaker 3: call it battle between Ryan Johnson and Evan gold as
Speaker 3: Canuck's new general manager. What about Daniel and Hendrick Sedeen
Speaker 3: who've worked, as people know, the last several years and
Speaker 3: when you look at what's happened with Abbotsford done a
Speaker 3: very good job in player development. Are they getting promoted? Well?
Speaker 1: You and I talked yesterday at two o'clock in the afternoon.
Speaker 1: What did I tell you?
Speaker 3: I can't remember. There's a million.
Speaker 1: I told you to keep an eye on the Sadeen Twins.
Speaker 1: I told you yesterday. I said, Donnie, keeping one on
Speaker 1: the Sadeen Twins. There's something's going on there. What you
Speaker 1: called about something else? I think we were calling about.
Speaker 1: What did you know, Ernie? Yeah, you were calling about
Speaker 1: a punch or beloved friend.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: The Sadin Twins were asked a while back if they
Speaker 1: would like expanded roles. They have said yes. I don't
Speaker 1: know the Sadeen Twins' title other than they're going they're
Speaker 1: expected to be more involved. The Twins live and breathe Canucks.
Speaker 1: Who better to lead them out of this messed on?
Speaker 1: But if they can't go on the ice anymore, that
Speaker 1: affects coaching staffs in Vancouver and abspert. If it affects
Speaker 1: the prospects in Abspert, it affects everything.
Speaker 3: And maybe that's more of what they want, right less responsibility,
Speaker 3: not that they want to shy away from responsibility.
Speaker 1: But sorry, Beck, go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 3: But but are we talking about them being and this
Speaker 3: is going to be the focus of our poll question
Speaker 3: co presidents of Canucks hockey operations. I think that might
Speaker 3: they would be able to sell that.
Speaker 1: I would think they could sell it. I do wonder
Speaker 1: if the Twins were in the Evan Gold second interview,
Speaker 1: which was in Vancouver. They know Johnson inside out, they've
Speaker 1: worked with him, an expert, but they don't know anything
Speaker 1: about Gold. So but here's my thing to you, don
Speaker 1: And we went through this with Trevor Linden, and here
Speaker 1: we go again. The twins are Hall of famers who
Speaker 1: have a sparkling reputation in the city of Vancouver. Just
Speaker 1: like Trevor Linden. I hope they're prepared for everything that comes,
Speaker 1: good and bad with being hockey decision makers in a
Speaker 1: crazy hockey market like Vancouver. Did the Twins phone Linden
Speaker 1: and ask him what it is to work with this owner?
Speaker 1: Will they get the autonomy that they think they will
Speaker 1: that they will get, will they get the power to
Speaker 1: make the decisions. Lindon was fired because he asked for
Speaker 1: a rebuild. These two guys did did did the toys?
Speaker 3: They don't have to ask for one.
Speaker 1: Okay, they're in the middle. Well they're they're starting one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Donnie, I hope they did their homework on two fronts.
Speaker 3: If this is indeed true, it is true.
Speaker 1: They did say yes on the weekend to two upper rolls,
Speaker 1: higher roles.
Speaker 3: We don't know the exact title. Don't the title, but
Speaker 3: a strange title that Matt Sandeen has with the leafs. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's a strange special advisor to the Traveling Secretary.
Speaker 1: I've just been told they're going to be more involved. Okay, down,
Speaker 1: I hope they did their homework.
Speaker 3: Are you worried about their legacy?
Speaker 5: Le?
Speaker 3: Look, see, my thing is if people talk about Trevor
Speaker 3: Linden's legacy, I don't think it was affected at all. Well,
Speaker 3: I think he's still revered here in Vancouver because most
Speaker 3: people look at the situation with Trevor Linden knowing what
Speaker 3: they know, and go. They don't blame Trevor for leaving
Speaker 3: at all. I don't think so, because things were a
Speaker 3: mess higher up, and I don't think I think whatever,
Speaker 3: we have a Trevor Linden interview on this show. Whenever
Speaker 3: you see him in a public situation where there might
Speaker 3: be applause or jeers, and it's always still beloved here.
Speaker 3: People don't blame Trevor for that situation. And I think
Speaker 3: given what people know, they would be much the same
Speaker 3: for the Sadeen if they were to I don't think
Speaker 3: we shouldn't jump this far ahead, but if they were
Speaker 3: to take this job and things go and take a
Speaker 3: left turn and they end up leaving, I don't think
Speaker 3: it affect their legacy at all. They're fabulous people on
Speaker 3: and off the ice.
Speaker 1: I hope they do their homework. I hope they asked Linden.
Speaker 1: I hope they did their research, because we all know
Speaker 1: one bad move as president, one bad trade, one bad signing,
Speaker 1: one bad draft pick, and it's all right.
Speaker 3: Well one people can accept a multiple.
Speaker 1: Maybe not, And Linden got a lot of heat for
Speaker 1: some of his decisions, and I hope they're prepared for that.
Speaker 3: Well. They're very intelligent people that they would be completely
Speaker 3: prepared for that they care about the connection. I think that,
Speaker 3: you know, would they be able to sell the sedens
Speaker 3: with Evan Gold, Would they be able to sell the
Speaker 3: sedeens with Ryan Johnson? I think the answer with Johnson
Speaker 3: is definitely yes. We don't know enough about Evan Gold
Speaker 3: and apparently comes across really well publicly. We'll see a
Speaker 3: little bit more on Evan Gold. He's Canadian U of
Speaker 3: T grad started out with the Washington Capitals selling ticket packages,
Speaker 3: yes word, his way up scouting analytics, all sorts of
Speaker 3: all sorts of different areas of the Capitals organization. Spent
Speaker 3: multiple years there, went on to the Boston Bruins and
Speaker 3: obviously built up a whole lot of respect. The other
Speaker 3: angle with them. You're laughing at these two pictures.
Speaker 1: Ryan's got the hair, dude that I think is look
Speaker 1: at the superior hair he's If you base this on hair,
Speaker 1: Johnson is the new GM of the Canucks.
Speaker 3: You know what, I won't be surprised if they do.
Speaker 1: Based on these two pictures. If you go with hair,
Speaker 1: Ryan Johnson's the new GM of the Canucks. Okay, but
Speaker 1: we're not doing that. Aside.
Speaker 3: The other thing we're hearing is that if Evan Gold
Speaker 3: were to come here. He's an assistant GM now with
Speaker 3: the Boston Bruins. Jamie langan Merner is also an assistant
Speaker 3: GM with the Boston Bruins. And we're hearing a whisper
Speaker 3: is that if Evan Gold were to get this job,
Speaker 3: Jamie Langmmerner would come to Vancouver with him.
Speaker 1: You got that right, Yes, you do have that right.
Speaker 1: And there's another guy in Boston. I think he's the
Speaker 1: not the CAP guy, the analytics analytics guy. I think
Speaker 1: the analytics guys.
Speaker 3: What's the name of the analytics do what you think?
Speaker 1: I know the analytics guy's name in Boston. I don't
Speaker 1: know this stuff. I just know that he I think
Speaker 1: gets Golinski or something. But anyways, something like that.
Speaker 3: Can you look up Golinski Boston Bruins and just I
Speaker 3: think it's something like I don't know either. So what
Speaker 3: am I talking about?
Speaker 1: And by the way, and this is a big week
Speaker 1: coming up for the Canucks. I expect them to name
Speaker 1: their gams soon. Scouting meetings started this morning at Rogers Arena.
Speaker 1: Things are happening. I think by the end of this
Speaker 1: week we're going to get a lot more clarity on
Speaker 1: the overall picture.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, we were told that last week. But your mother, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 3: I would hope.
Speaker 5: So do you mean Jeremy Rogals.
Speaker 1: That's the guy close I was in the neighborhood.
Speaker 5: He's the director of Hockey Analytics. That guy, that guy
Speaker 5: aka Nerd, Well, well, that's okay, that's okay to have nerds.
Speaker 3: I mean he said that with poisoned in your voice.
Speaker 3: The worst thing in the world.
Speaker 1: One of the best movies at the eighties, Revenge of
Speaker 1: the Nerds, Revenge of the Nerds.
Speaker 5: How would you know, I've seen Revenge of the Nerds.
Speaker 1: Hold it a second. You haven't seen You haven't seen
Speaker 1: slap Shop, Revenge of the Nerds.
Speaker 5: I've seen Revenge of the Nerds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Revenge of the Nerds was a great movie.
Speaker 3: That's a great movie.
Speaker 1: Moneyball, Yeah, analytics analytics that started all the analytics staff.
Speaker 3: Who is the main actor.
Speaker 5: Of Revenge of the Nerds just passed away not longer.
Speaker 1: What's his name? Don you know his name?
Speaker 3: Jeremy Bragolski, Robert car that's right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Revenge of the Nerds was great movie. No, it seriously was.
Speaker 3: It was canucks Hire. This guy they end up winning
Speaker 3: the Stanley Cup Revenge of the Nerds.
Speaker 1: Robert Kennedy, he just said that kung Fu guy he
Speaker 1: was in David Carrod, is that his brother?
Speaker 3: I don't know chardy family is. There's there's a lot
Speaker 3: of branches of it in Hollywood.
Speaker 5: He was also infamously Henry Duff's dad on Lizzie Maguire.
Speaker 1: Okay, he looks like his brother in kung Fu.
Speaker 3: Kung Fu is great, Grasshop We couldn't couldn't miss it,
Speaker 3: Mumber Grasshopper.
Speaker 5: Two brothers looked alike.
Speaker 1: Just stop it.
Speaker 3: Mind.
Speaker 1: We don't know their brothers, but they do lose their hair.
Speaker 3: I guess nothing great.
Speaker 1: Evan, He's uh, here's here's okay, here, Here's what's coming
Speaker 1: up on the show.
Speaker 3: DTMZ. Is it just me? I've got a revelation for
Speaker 3: DTMZ by the way, that I will announce either today
Speaker 3: or tomorrow sometimes this week. DTMs look forward to that. DTMZ,
Speaker 3: Is it just me? Coming up in the eleven o'clock hour,
Speaker 3: Elliott Friedman is going to join us just after all
Speaker 3: of it. O'clock man, I could I could just watch
Speaker 3: games from the Bell Center on a loop. I know,
Speaker 3: Elliott was in Buffalo. He didn't make the trip to
Speaker 3: Montreal for the game Game three, but man, that that
Speaker 3: building is just so special. Buffalo is not bad either.
Speaker 3: That series is something else. Okay, big Rye, we'll talk
Speaker 3: to Elliott about that, Big Ryan and what he knows
Speaker 3: about the Kin situation. Big Rye the Twitter guy coming
Speaker 3: up later this hour and up next. We talked about
Speaker 3: it earlier in this segment. He's hiking in Portugal and
Speaker 3: he's made time for us today from the Canucks. Canucks
Speaker 3: legend Stan Smiel who played four years under the late
Speaker 3: great Ernie Punch McLain Steamer. He's next. Thanks for tuning in, folks,
Speaker 3: Hope you had a great weekend. Donnie Dolly the team
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Speaker 3: to join us now thirteen seasons with the actually his
Speaker 3: number twelve hangs from the Rafters and Rogers Arena before
Speaker 3: the thirteen seasons, but the Canucks four seasons with the
Speaker 3: new West Ruins four Western Hockey League. It was called
Speaker 3: the WHL back Band titles Memorial Cup titles in nineteen
Speaker 3: seventy seven and seventy eight, all with Ernie Punch McLain
Speaker 3: behind the bench, Punch leaving us Friday at the age
Speaker 3: of ninety three, and Stan joins us now. Stan, thanks
Speaker 3: for doing this, sir, How are you? I'm well, guys,
Speaker 3: your reaction of Punch is passing.
Speaker 6: Very sad. He was a close fatherly figure to me.
Speaker 6: Not just to me, I think to all the players
Speaker 6: that played for Punch. We knew that at his age
Speaker 6: he was strong as ever, coming to all our games
Speaker 6: here at the Call or at to Arena, not missing
Speaker 6: the game. Players were always texting or asking me if
Speaker 6: I see Punch during the season, and he was always there.
Speaker 6: And uh, then we lost a dear friend, a great coach,
Speaker 6: but more so just a good person.
Speaker 4: And both of you guys know this is he was
Speaker 4: quite the character.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, with that in mind, Stan, going back to
Speaker 3: the seventies, a kid from Saint Paul, Alberta. And what
Speaker 3: was it like heading to suburban Vancouver and meeting Punch
Speaker 3: McLean for the first time?
Speaker 4: You know when I the first I met him was.
Speaker 6: And I don't know if they had two training camps,
Speaker 6: I can't remember, but Punch and Bill Shinski had a
Speaker 6: training camp in Westlock, Alberta, which isn't far from me,
Speaker 6: and I was able to go and there were there
Speaker 6: were like I think eighty players at the camp and uh,
Speaker 6: we're all put up in the dorm and uh and
Speaker 6: proceeded with with practices and uh evaluations and then scrimmages
Speaker 6: that night. So that was the first time I met
Speaker 6: Punch and a couple of players that played with New West,
Speaker 6: the Milt Domosak and Bob Hess both sort of recomedded
Speaker 6: me to to to Arny about inviting me to the camp,
Speaker 6: and so I was just said, came up and said,
Speaker 6: you're the kid from Northern Alberta and here we go.
Speaker 3: What was his gift as a coach? Then?
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 6: The gift as a coach is that he knew what
Speaker 6: it took to win. Intimidation was a big part of
Speaker 6: the game back then. But he knew you had to
Speaker 6: have individuals the skill to score. And I think what
Speaker 6: he did the best, and I think he got the
Speaker 6: best out of what you could bring as a player,
Speaker 6: and he knew how important that was to be successful.
Speaker 6: He had a variety of players, but he could bring
Speaker 6: that out in you and I think that was the
Speaker 6: trait that.
Speaker 4: Made us as an organization being so successful.
Speaker 1: Stan I used to tell Punch all the time, you
Speaker 1: got to write a book. You got to write a book,
Speaker 1: you know. I think he was working on chapter four
Speaker 1: with Barry Beck is what he told me last time.
Speaker 1: Talk about Queen's Park and how wonderful it was, and
Speaker 1: people say it was cater made for Punch and his teams.
Speaker 1: Just go back to Queen's for me and just tell
Speaker 1: me how great those years were there.
Speaker 4: First of all, Dolly, I totally agree.
Speaker 6: Every time I saw a Punch, and I saw him
Speaker 6: a lot during the winter, at least once a month,
Speaker 6: I would say to him, Punch, that he started your book,
Speaker 6: and he always kind of giggled and laughed and said
Speaker 6: he had started it. And I don't know where he
Speaker 6: got with it, but definitely I think in the Lower
Speaker 6: Mainland it'd be a good read, I know for a
Speaker 6: lot of people. And that Queen's Park arena. Just walking
Speaker 6: into that building, even walking into now just how small
Speaker 6: it was. The ice surface was small. The fans were
Speaker 6: raided on top of you. I think it was the
Speaker 6: north end where the Zamboni came out.
Speaker 4: There was the rowdy.
Speaker 6: Crowd, but you had such a variety of fan base
Speaker 6: in there, and when you had four thousand people in it,
Speaker 6: it was noisy. And I think Punch was able to
Speaker 6: get the right mixt year a team to make an
Speaker 6: exciting game and an intimidating part of the game in
Speaker 6: that building because every player that I played against has
Speaker 6: a story coming into.
Speaker 4: That building where.
Speaker 6: You know, they would drive up in the bus and
Speaker 6: the guy would turn off the bus and the bus
Speaker 6: would still be shaken for some reason.
Speaker 4: And that was just all the other players coming into
Speaker 4: Queens Park. And that's what it was like.
Speaker 6: And Ernie knew that and he used it the right way.
Speaker 6: But also he knew as much as we talk about
Speaker 6: the intimidation and the new Westminster Bruins, he had to
Speaker 6: score to win at the end of the day, and
Speaker 6: we had that skill to do that.
Speaker 1: Stan, you know better than anyone else. Not all kids
Speaker 1: go from junior to the NHL. You did, What did
Speaker 1: he do for your game personally? Stan?
Speaker 4: The one thing he did for me personally was.
Speaker 6: And he talked about it a lot with the players
Speaker 6: on a regular basis throughout the season.
Speaker 4: You just don't play when you feel good. You got
Speaker 4: to be able to bring your game.
Speaker 6: And then it was seventy games I think at that time,
Speaker 6: and you got to bring that every night. And I
Speaker 6: think that's one of the things I learned as a player,
Speaker 6: and I was able to do that as a player.
Speaker 6: If I look back in my career, maybe junior or
Speaker 6: pro that consistently you knew what you were going to
Speaker 6: get from me, and that effort was there every night.
Speaker 6: And I think that's the biggest thing. Punch kept drilling
Speaker 6: into players and making the players be the players that
Speaker 6: can be, but on a consistent basis. And I think
Speaker 6: for myself personally, that's the biggest thing I learned from Punch.
Speaker 1: Stan just it's not been a good few weeks. Jim Robson,
Speaker 1: John Garrett, now Punch. It's just three legends just gone
Speaker 1: in a matter of weeks. It's been a really tough
Speaker 1: time in Vancouver.
Speaker 4: It really has.
Speaker 6: And the three that you mentioned are all a big
Speaker 6: part of my career. And and I got to know really,
Speaker 6: really well Jim Robson. What can you say? And I
Speaker 6: think I'll talk to you guys about Jim Robson when
Speaker 6: you get passed. He drove to my hometown in the
Speaker 6: middle of the summer just to see where I came from.
Speaker 4: Wow, But that's the individual he was.
Speaker 6: John Garrett, you know, total probe as a player and
Speaker 6: as a broadcaster, but just a great individual. And and
Speaker 6: now Punch. If I guess you take a look at
Speaker 6: all three of them, they are all great men, and
Speaker 6: we're going to miss him.
Speaker 3: I don't think I ever saw any of the three
Speaker 3: of them in a bad mood. One more, stand if
Speaker 3: you if you don't mind, and I know that he
Speaker 3: wanted this, how do you think Punch would have done
Speaker 3: at the NHL level?
Speaker 4: And he that's ah, that's a great question.
Speaker 6: And I might be biased because I played for him,
Speaker 6: but just the little things that we talked about here
Speaker 6: briefly this morning. He knew what it took to win,
Speaker 6: He knew skill, he knew character because he was a
Speaker 6: character himself, and he could get the best out of
Speaker 6: players in a not on not on a a yelling basis,
Speaker 6: on a man to man what it takes to win,
Speaker 6: and he could do that. So I think my answer
Speaker 6: is and I wish he would have had the opportunity
Speaker 6: because I think he would have been very successful during
Speaker 6: that time.
Speaker 3: Stam, we can't thank you enough for doing this, especially
Speaker 3: considering where you are. For people that don't know you're
Speaker 3: hiking in Portugal. Take care of that body. Stand and again,
Speaker 3: we can't thank you enough.
Speaker 7: Thank you for having me you guys, it was a
Speaker 7: sad weekend, but on the hike, I spent a couple
Speaker 7: of good days that thinking Punch, and then at the
Speaker 7: end of the hikes, add a couple of nice cold
Speaker 7: glasses of beer for you.
Speaker 3: Perfect. Thanks Dan, all the best, Thank you, Stan Smiel,
Speaker 3: Thank every Cannuck's legend, Us Bruins, the legend talking about
Speaker 3: the late great Ernie Punch. McLean. Let me go back
Speaker 3: to that last question there. I'm this is nineteen eighty four,
Speaker 3: and I grew up high school going to these games
Speaker 3: at Queens Park Arena watching the newest Bruins. Yes, in
Speaker 3: the set, the Conducks kinds just entered the NHL, they
Speaker 3: finally got an NHL franchising. And I know I've talked
Speaker 3: about this before on the show, but the Bruins were
Speaker 3: I know, the capacity was a lot less at Queens
Speaker 3: Park Arena, way less, but they were so popular. I
Speaker 3: don't think I wouldn't say they competed necessarily with the Canducks,
Speaker 3: but they were popular and very, very successful. So going
Speaker 3: to those games was as big a deal as going
Speaker 3: to an NHL game, even though the Canucks just had
Speaker 3: entered the National Hockey League. They were so Yeah, years
Speaker 3: go by, It's nineteen eighty four and the Canucks hire
Speaker 3: this upstart and who's also left us? Bill of Forge
Speaker 3: all sorts of success in junior hockey with kamloops, et cetera,
Speaker 3: overlooking Ernie Punch McLean. And I'm a young kid. I'm
Speaker 3: in the press box at the coliseum and who sits
Speaker 3: down beside me, Ernie Punch mcla. I think, and I
Speaker 3: revered the guy. He was afraid of him, you know,
Speaker 3: because those teams were tough, and Ernie was tough. And
Speaker 3: and here I am, this young reporter and he tells
Speaker 3: me he was You know what, Donnie, I wish they
Speaker 3: would have given me a shot he wanted. I would
Speaker 3: love to have had a shot. Nothing against Bill LaForge,
Speaker 3: but I think that hiring of Ernie Punch mcleaned what
Speaker 3: would have went over much better than Bill LaForge, Bill
Speaker 3: the Forge. On the last of twenty year Games, we
Speaker 3: all remember the pride, hustle, desire, the infamous training camp
Speaker 3: over on Vancouver Island. Things didn't work out, and I
Speaker 3: think Harry Neil had to take over again as as coach.
Speaker 3: He was he was the GM at the time, but
Speaker 3: they passed on Punch McLean and and Punch. Let's be honest,
Speaker 3: here stand talked about it there at a controversial style.
Speaker 3: Those teams were tough. They were the Philadelphia Flyers of
Speaker 3: junior hockey. It wasn't everyone's cup of tea, but man,
Speaker 3: they won. They were successful. And you heard Stan talk.
Speaker 3: He thinks Ernie would have done just fine at the
Speaker 3: NHL level, and he wanted that job and he didn't
Speaker 3: get it. Not nothing against anybody. There's a part of
Speaker 3: me that maybe understands that that the decision. But I
Speaker 3: know he really wanted it, and I think everybody in
Speaker 3: this market would have loved to have seen it. He
Speaker 3: would have. He would have been a good fit the.
Speaker 1: Bench clearing brawls with Portland and Queens Park Arena. Donny,
Speaker 1: I think the cops got called one night, you know, no,
Speaker 1: they did. What are you talking about.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, the cops got.
Speaker 1: Called one night and he was throwing garbage.
Speaker 3: It was just one night. You know.
Speaker 1: Punch was a he was a friend of ours. He
Speaker 1: would call here, talk to me for half an hour,
Speaker 1: and then I'd say he talk to Donnie, Donnie, talk
Speaker 1: to Rick. He loved us, We loved him. He was
Speaker 1: a big part of Vancouver and no other team will
Speaker 1: go to Four Street Memorial Cups. You know, junior hockey's
Speaker 1: like kids, you're leaving. It s such a big turnover, right,
Speaker 1: it's a turnover. Now, No one's going to do what
Speaker 1: he did. He put over one hundred guys in the NHL.
Speaker 1: Let's get the statue outside Queen's Park done.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm going to go a step further here, and
Speaker 3: nothing against Tom Maynecton Jason Beck at the BC Sports
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame, and he normally somebody has to be
Speaker 3: nominated to get into the BC Sports Hall of Fame. Yes,
Speaker 3: Ernie McClain is not in the Hall of Fame. I
Speaker 3: think that you make an exception here, ninety three years
Speaker 3: old and he just and you keep in mind too,
Speaker 3: he had two stints as head coach and went back
Speaker 3: in the eighties coach people like Bill Ranford. There's just
Speaker 3: there's just a lot there. He should be in the
Speaker 3: BC Sports Hall of Fame nomination or not again, God
Speaker 3: bless him. We'll talk more about him a little bit later.
Speaker 3: Elliott Friedman at the top of the hour. Meanwhile, we
Speaker 3: got something, got some business to do here, right, No, okay,
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Speaker 1: Be if the Sadines are named co presidents of the
Speaker 1: Canucks hockey ops and look at this? Eighty six percent
Speaker 1: say yes thumbs up, fourteen percent say thumbs down. What's
Speaker 1: the Sadeen Twins' greatest asset when they played was hockey sense.
Speaker 1: They bring an incredible hockey mind to everything they do,
Speaker 1: whether it's on the ice or off the ice. They
Speaker 1: were involved with Braiden Coots. They would go down to
Speaker 1: Seattle to see him play. They went to Saskatoon to
Speaker 1: see him play. They kept in touch with Braiden Coots.
Speaker 1: Braiden Coots loves the fact that he gets to tap
Speaker 1: into the two minds of Hall of famers. You know,
Speaker 1: as a Canucks prospect, these guys are smart, they're sharp.
Speaker 1: But it's a different animal. Trevor Linden found out the
Speaker 1: hard way. It's a different animal working for this owner.
Speaker 1: The media, well, they have been working for that, not
Speaker 1: as president of Hockey Ops DoD, not President's Hockey Ops.
Speaker 1: And it's a different animal. When you got to sit
Speaker 1: in the room with the owner and say I want
Speaker 1: to do this, and the owner says, no, we got
Speaker 1: to do this. Trevor Linden said, let's do a rebuild.
Speaker 1: Jim Benning said, I can fix it in two years.
Speaker 1: Who did the owner take Jim.
Speaker 3: I'm going to go against you here, okay. And you
Speaker 3: say their number one attribute is hockey sense. Yes, I
Speaker 3: think it's work ethic, work ethics. And let me give
Speaker 3: you a couple of examples of that. You mentioned them
Speaker 3: going to see Brayden Coots. As you know Canucks recent
Speaker 3: six round draft toys. Parker Alcos is a port moody kid.
Speaker 3: They're out watching him when he was playing for the
Speaker 3: Edmonton Oil Kings and the Colonna Rockets. You'd look up
Speaker 3: in the stands or they they're watching one of the
Speaker 3: press boxes there and you'd see Henrik or Daniel or
Speaker 3: both dill them apart up in the press box watching
Speaker 3: a six round draft toye just seeing how he's doing
Speaker 3: and looking at, you know, other players on the ice
Speaker 3: who might become a future Canucks. Not a lot of
Speaker 3: there's not a lot of X. There's not a lot
Speaker 3: of you know, Art Ross Trophy winners now working for
Speaker 3: NHL organizations who would do that. On top of that,
Speaker 3: let's not forget what they were like as players. When
Speaker 3: the Sedines broke into the National Hockey League. One of
Speaker 3: the complaints against them was skating, skating, So what what
Speaker 3: what did they do? They worked their asses off in
Speaker 3: the summer together and remember the shots of them. I
Speaker 3: don't know if you remember this. And we don't don't
Speaker 3: think we have it anywhere but them rollerblading up hills
Speaker 3: back home in Sweden to get stronger. There's a couple
Speaker 3: of early well one Cannock in particular, who might want
Speaker 3: to I might want to do that in the offseason
Speaker 3: as well. And what did what happened with them? And
Speaker 3: I know there were rule changes in OH five or
Speaker 3: six that helped them, but they got better skating wise.
Speaker 3: They didn't just go, hey, we're second and third overall
Speaker 3: draft picks. We've done okay so far, that's good enough.
Speaker 3: They wanted to excel and man did they ever. You know,
Speaker 3: Henry wins not just an art Ross, but he wins
Speaker 3: a heart as well. Daniel wins. Daniel wins and art
Speaker 3: Ross probably should have won a heart. I believe you
Speaker 3: won a Patrick Award. I mean, they got better at
Speaker 3: their game even though they had reached the highest level.
Speaker 3: So I mean they just that's why they played twenty
Speaker 3: years to have and they're just so smart, so likable.
Speaker 3: They can sell the game really really well. You know,
Speaker 3: their backstory is one that can be used as an
Speaker 3: example for the young players that come into this organization.
Speaker 3: And I just think work ethic as much as hockey
Speaker 3: sense really plays a part and just how well they've done.
Speaker 3: You mentioned hockey sense too. When you talk to scouts
Speaker 3: these days, you know this, they look at hockey sense
Speaker 3: as much or more than anything. Because the kids today
Speaker 3: they can all skate. It's not like before we'd have
Speaker 3: a Bobby or or a Paul Coffee, which is clearly
Speaker 3: better than everybody. They're all such good skaters. So hockey
Speaker 3: sense really any aggressiveness and there's all sorts of qualities,
Speaker 3: but hockey sens really separates players these days, maybe more
Speaker 3: than ever. And you're right that that they had it
Speaker 3: as much or more than than anybody else.
Speaker 1: Rob and Yale Town's got a good point though, who
Speaker 1: had great hockey sense? Wayne Gretzky wasn't a great coach
Speaker 1: or a GM NHL. It's a different animal the job.
Speaker 1: The job is that it's really good that the Sadeine
Speaker 1: Twins are smart hockey sense. But man, in a Canadian market,
Speaker 1: you know you got an owner that's got a history
Speaker 1: of butting in. That's one problem the media can get
Speaker 1: on you, as Patrick Alban just found out, Jim Rutherfords
Speaker 1: just found out.
Speaker 3: What are you?
Speaker 1: It's a different animal. I just hope they did their
Speaker 1: research here.
Speaker 3: You know. My going and advice to anybody who's involved
Speaker 3: with the Canucks, including ownership, is be thankful the media cares.
Speaker 3: Because there's all sorts of media all over the national
Speaker 3: hockey they don't care and other markets, you know, you
Speaker 3: should be happy they still care and there's not indifference
Speaker 3: setting in when it comes to the media. Okay, moving on,
Speaker 3: Shane Doan has left his post as advisor to the
Speaker 3: GM with the Toronto Maple Leafs. So where is he headed? Rick?
Speaker 3: Is there any chance that even though we heard he's
Speaker 3: not no longer he's anything, He's not. Those two aren't related.
Speaker 1: Shane Doan is not in the Vancouver mix. I'd be
Speaker 1: shocked if he is. He didn't get a second interview
Speaker 1: don So how could he be in the Canucks mix?
Speaker 1: Someone told me keep an eye out for Utah and
Speaker 1: Shane Doan. I think there's a what.
Speaker 3: A connection there with the coyotas the Bill Armstrong was
Speaker 3: it was in Arizona.
Speaker 1: So anyways, it's just stuff you hear, you know, talking
Speaker 1: to people, texting people, calling people, all that stuff.
Speaker 3: But Shane, his kid's a good player.
Speaker 1: You saw him last night and the Benson Kid last
Speaker 1: night from Chili Whi just before Montreal scored. You have
Speaker 1: those two chances done right right in front of the net.
Speaker 1: It could have been four to three. Instead causes all
Speaker 1: sorts of trouble. I love that kid Canucks. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna get in well that was the Tom vift. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to get into it there.
Speaker 3: I don't think a lot of people have problems with
Speaker 3: Tom Ylander. It was a position promising. Well.
Speaker 1: Lander was a positional pick no right shot d What
Speaker 1: do you do with the third picked on?
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what punch McClain would like.
Speaker 1: Would like Benson, Oh, good Canadian kid?
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Speaker 3: UH. An interesting development courtesy of social media site Blue Sky.
Speaker 3: Ryan Henderson a good pal.
Speaker 5: Patrick Johnson from Post Media posting moments ago being reported
Speaker 5: elsewhere and I have it now. Sadine's moving into hockey
Speaker 5: ops roles alongside Evan Gold. He also adds on not
Speaker 5: clear what future rules for current agms Cammi Granado and
Speaker 5: Emily cast on Gay will be. The second part is
Speaker 5: interesting because Rick's hearing that Langenberner might be coming right
Speaker 5: alongside Evan Gold, and then also the director of Hockey
Speaker 5: Ops or sorry, director of Analytics might also be coming.
Speaker 5: So I wonder if that's what Pj's alluding to in
Speaker 5: terms of a GM rules.
Speaker 1: There, that's what that's the name, I said.
Speaker 5: But yeah, so it sounds as though it's gonna be well,
Speaker 5: pj's reporting it's Evan Gold. I'm not doubting PJ for
Speaker 5: a second. That's the only one that's thrown it out
Speaker 5: there that it's for sure gonna be Evan Gold. So
Speaker 5: see what happens. We got on the other course in
Speaker 5: like ten minutes.
Speaker 1: The one thing I can say, and I said it
Speaker 1: at the top of the show, ownership really liked Evan Gold.
Speaker 1: Uh oh, And I no, no, I've got a ton
Speaker 1: of agents that have told me that Donnie, they like
Speaker 1: Evan Gold to a good sharp young mind needs a hairdresser.
Speaker 1: But anyways, I'm gonna tell you right now the Ownership
Speaker 1: Ownership was pushing for Gold, and Jim Rutherford was pushing.
Speaker 3: Well, they have nail things. I'm just gonna say, Mike
Speaker 3: Gillis was good. That was That was the Aquilinis.
Speaker 5: I just I almost feel bad for Evan Gold only
Speaker 5: because his introductory press conference is gonna be littered with
Speaker 5: questions about Yeah, but what about Ryan Johnson? Yeah, but
Speaker 5: what about Ryan Johnson?
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, what about it? Hey, Ryan Johnson could hand
Speaker 1: in his resignation letter twenty seconds after this, and.
Speaker 5: Who knows, maybe somehow there's a puzzle piece for him
Speaker 5: still here.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Do they not have scouting meetings going
Speaker 3: on right?
Speaker 1: Right now as of this morning, they've all they're all
Speaker 1: huddled in scouting meetings.
Speaker 3: They being or is Emily casting Gay and Cammy Grenado
Speaker 3: and Ryan Johnson.
Speaker 1: There wouldn't be in scouting meetings. But I know she's
Speaker 1: dial in contract she's more contracts. But somebody told me
Speaker 1: Patrick Alvin was at Rogers a Rena this morning, which
Speaker 1: was interesting. So I'm working on that story.
Speaker 3: Yes, do you have a bunch of U haul boxes?
Speaker 1: Stop?
Speaker 3: And Ryan, you said you said they might rehire him
Speaker 3: as gems.
Speaker 1: I did not listen. Someone told me to think of hair.
Speaker 1: Someone told me Patrick Alvin was at Rogers Rena this morning.
Speaker 1: I'm looking into it. Why would he be Maybe the
Speaker 1: scouting with Ryan. Maybe he's got a cardboard box. Maybe
Speaker 1: maybe he's in the scouting meetings. He did fly all
Speaker 1: over the globe to look at the top picks. He's
Speaker 1: got good intel. He's still property the Canucks. They they
Speaker 1: still has he been fired or not?
Speaker 3: They said, did they offered him another position in the organization.
Speaker 3: You maybe he's taken it, which would be unusual. But
Speaker 3: Jim Rutherford said last week that they're using some of
Speaker 3: his research. Of course, yeah.
Speaker 1: Some of the intel intels. So he was in Switzerland, Sweden,
Speaker 1: So he went to North Dakota, he went to Penn State.
Speaker 1: He went to the Ohl Toronto.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I.
Speaker 5: Hope, by the way, because remember we had that report
Speaker 5: Rios right that that he had heard that Alvin was
Speaker 5: telling people that he didn't think he was going to
Speaker 5: be back right before. Yes, yes, so I hope if Alvin,
Speaker 5: if Alvin knew that, like, I hope all those hotels
Speaker 5: he was empty, empty the mini bar, yeah, you know,
Speaker 5: like there's ten dollars bottle of water that if you
Speaker 5: crack that. I hope he's going nuts.
Speaker 3: A bottle of water like booze.
Speaker 5: Chips, like the Washington charging everything to your room, massage whatever.
Speaker 3: I hope he was doing that. Yeah, probably like Seinfeld's
Speaker 3: mom and dad. Yes, man, yes, yes, Macadam Elaine hooked
Speaker 3: him up.
Speaker 5: Was it the Plaza the Plaza hotel and yeah, and
Speaker 5: they were just going nuts.
Speaker 1: But yeah, they get a per dm ryot they I
Speaker 1: just can't these guys get a per deal.
Speaker 3: He's joking around.
Speaker 1: But you and I remember we went to Calgary for
Speaker 1: the Great Cup. We got a per Diem.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you spent it all one night at shape Perrie.
Speaker 1: That's Montreal. You and I were in Calgary.
Speaker 3: No, no is in Calgary?
Speaker 1: Is this?
Speaker 3: What's the one among so you don't even remember? No,
Speaker 3: what's the one a Montreal we went? I'm sure there's
Speaker 3: a shape Perie at Montreal. No, the one in Montreal
Speaker 3: we got in trouble.
Speaker 5: But the one of you was called five number Orange.
Speaker 1: No, it's not the number five Orange? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: They got a famous one? No, they got a famous
Speaker 1: one of Are.
Speaker 3: You kidding that?
Speaker 1: There was me Moje Burns, Julio, everybody was in God.
Speaker 5: I feel bad for those women that were on that
Speaker 5: stage totally.
Speaker 1: Anyways, So anyway, this is from.
Speaker 3: Days gone by when places like that were much more popular.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'm trying to get you out of trumble.
Speaker 1: Number five still number five is alive and thriving. Number
Speaker 1: five back in the eighties, Oh what a place we'd
Speaker 1: all hop in the impaula from news at downtown.
Speaker 5: What was the one you say said you were there
Speaker 5: for the food? Was that muggs and jugs? You infamously
Speaker 5: said this show.
Speaker 3: I had buffets.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but if you I'm not over the food man
Speaker 5: in the place like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they hope.
Speaker 3: They have massive sneeze guards right among other things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they have food at these places.
Speaker 3: Yeah, usually Barona Beef that's been sitting there for fifty years.
Speaker 1: Baron of beef, steak, sandwich. Okay, okay, very popular.
Speaker 5: Stop right there. So we see how thinks progressed with
Speaker 5: the Canucks. We got Friedman coming up in a moment,
Speaker 5: Harby says, roast be too. Yeah, ye dude, come on now, man,
Speaker 5: it's so inside. Okay, just quickly, very quickly, the hurricanes
Speaker 5: moving on to the third round the Eastern Conference Finals.
Speaker 1: Eight.
Speaker 5: No, they sweep the Flyers. How about Philly sports back
Speaker 5: to back weekends Flyers Sixers, no show.
Speaker 3: But oh my god, fourteen But I think the fans
Speaker 3: there weren't expecting much.
Speaker 1: No, No, both sides.
Speaker 5: I think I heard Broff and rough talk about this.
Speaker 5: The two teams have very different conversations around them, Like
Speaker 5: the Flyers are at the head of something, the start
Speaker 5: of something. The Sixers or should be in something. Remember
Speaker 5: trust the process and all that they should be in something.
Speaker 5: And they just keep keep you keep underperforming. One of
Speaker 5: the best NHL Twitter councilor is the Hurricanes. Look what
Speaker 5: they posted after they won they beat the Flyers on
Speaker 5: the weekend. Do you want it with or without tears?
Speaker 5: And this photo of Philly cheese steak, which might be
Speaker 5: the most overrated food item going by the way. Philly
Speaker 5: cheese steaks.
Speaker 3: Oh, that is so wrong.
Speaker 1: It's overrated. It's a mess.
Speaker 3: For one thing I'll eat. I agree with you there.
Speaker 3: But Ryan roast beef for whatever it is, cheese, some
Speaker 3: sort of sauce. I haven't had a lot of them.
Speaker 5: Looks like there's onions on this.
Speaker 3: It's hard to go wrong. Come on, I never had.
Speaker 5: A one that I'm like, oh yeah, I totally get.
Speaker 3: This if you had one in Philadelphia or New York.
Speaker 1: I've never been so so you got an issue with this?
Speaker 3: What's wrong with this?
Speaker 5: I just do you like cheese steaks?
Speaker 1: Ok, you're kidding me.
Speaker 5: I like a beef dip, which I guess is kind
Speaker 5: of the same family.
Speaker 3: But yeah, oh yeah, old school with horse radish.
Speaker 5: No horse radish is too much for me.
Speaker 3: Derek's giving me the thumbs up.
Speaker 5: My wife infamously scooped some horse raddish thinking it was
Speaker 5: mashed potatoes.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was not nuts.
Speaker 3: She recovered.
Speaker 5: It took a while, but she did. Let's let's make
Speaker 5: way for Friedman. He's coming up back. This is palking
Speaker 5: it in Canada's very old. But talk to him about
Speaker 5: beef horse stish, strip clubs and horse radish. Freeman, it's
Speaker 5: not you knowing the team.
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Speaker 1: I don't want to call them, I think, said Noel.
Speaker 3: Then for a second, yeah, I think I called him.
Speaker 3: Jeremy Rogaliski. Okay, Patrick Johnson on Blue Sky tweeting out
Speaker 3: moments ago. It's been reported elsewhere and I have it now.
Speaker 3: These are Patrick words. We've got the post that the
Speaker 3: Clip Sadines will be moving into hockey op roles alongside
Speaker 3: Evan Gold obviously with the Canucks not clear what the
Speaker 3: future roles are for current agms Cammy Grenado and Emily
Speaker 3: cast and Gay anything. Further to add, nothing there about
Speaker 3: Ryan Johnson, who again you you made the point, lives
Speaker 3: in Nashville in the off season, and last time I checked,
Speaker 3: the Predators have a vacancy when it comes to a general.
Speaker 1: Manager and the FS and let's be honest, the Canucks
Speaker 1: denied him permission to talk to Nashville a few weeks ago.
Speaker 1: So maybe he gets set up.
Speaker 3: Did they didn't They deny that. They deny that.
Speaker 1: Don. I'm telling you one hundred percent, Elliot and I
Speaker 1: that we're sticking to our guns. It happened. Here's the
Speaker 1: other thing, Don, he's been here twelve years. You can't
Speaker 1: do more. If he doesn't get the GM job today,
Speaker 1: he's never going to get the GM job in Vancouver.
Speaker 1: It's look, as I said earlier in the show, the
Speaker 1: owners love Evan Gold. Jim Rutherford was fighting for Ryan Johnson.
Speaker 1: I think there was too many people pushing for Gold,
Speaker 1: and I think Ryan got out numbered.
Speaker 3: Bottom line, So you base your hiring on interviews and
Speaker 3: not somebody who's been a loyal soldier. And I think
Speaker 3: he's one of the few people in the Canucks organization
Speaker 3: when it comes to management, who most people feel has
Speaker 3: done an excellent job, excellent? What else has been there?
Speaker 3: He goes back to the Gillis era. Is he not, Donny?
Speaker 1: You just want to call the Cup? Twelve months ago?
Speaker 1: It was twelve months ago. We're bragging about the guy,
Speaker 1: you know. And then here's what happened, Just so everybody
Speaker 1: in Vancouver knows. After he won the call the Cup,
Speaker 1: the Canucks gave him a huge pay raise, redid his deal.
Speaker 1: Oh please, don't go anywhere. You just want to call
Speaker 1: the Cup. Oh, everybody's gonna want the GM of the
Speaker 1: call the Cup winning habits for Canucks. They gave more money.
Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere, And now it looks like they're going
Speaker 1: to bypass them for an assistant GM in Boston.
Speaker 3: Who interviewed And again, we can't sit here.
Speaker 1: What's going on here? Right with the screen? Okay, you
Speaker 1: got elliotod Elliott.
Speaker 3: Okay, we're working on getting Elliott Friedman. He'll be here,
Speaker 3: I understand in a couple of moments. Here he's here now, Okay,
Speaker 3: brought to you by Asant Motors. It's Elliott Freeman. It
Speaker 3: took a while and we know you're busy. Elliott. Thanks
Speaker 3: for doing this, sir.
Speaker 9: How are you my pleasure. And by the way, I
Speaker 9: just told young Kyle Bakoskis that I was coming on,
Speaker 9: and he did a great dollar ball impression. I was like, Elliott,
Speaker 9: this's Tuesdays, there's two vps's gonna work.
Speaker 1: Good PC boy.
Speaker 3: That so, Elliott, how's it going to work? Tell us?
Speaker 9: You know, I'll just say this like I don't I
Speaker 9: don't want to cause any controversy or deal with anyone
Speaker 9: or try to discredit anyone's work. But I was just
Speaker 9: told it was premature to go on the g M
Speaker 9: call to make could call on the GM at this
Speaker 9: point in time. And so I'm not saying anyone's wrong
Speaker 9: or anything like that, because it could turn anything that's
Speaker 9: been reported could turn out to be right. I just
Speaker 9: heard it was premature, So that's all I'm not going
Speaker 9: to say. I'm not going to sit here and confirm
Speaker 9: anyone or being GM or not being GM. I just
Speaker 9: heard it was premature at this point in time. But
Speaker 9: I do believe the sitting thing is I do think
Speaker 9: they are going to be taking on a bigger role,
Speaker 9: which I think is great to hear because I think
Speaker 9: they've got a lot to offer.
Speaker 3: So just just to recap it's being reported here that
Speaker 3: Evan Golds has got the job, but you're you're not
Speaker 3: going to go on record as saying that, and we'll
Speaker 3: see what happens in the next Yeah.
Speaker 9: I am not interested in fighting with anybody else or
Speaker 9: discrediting anyone else because everything here could turn out to
Speaker 9: be right. And I don't know who reported what I was.
Speaker 9: All I would say is I knew I was coming
Speaker 9: on and I wanted to be as updated as I
Speaker 9: could be, And I was just told premature to say
Speaker 9: who the GM would be.
Speaker 3: That's all. It might be Evan Gold and Elliott. I
Speaker 3: can't remember if we asked this before, probably, But what
Speaker 3: do you know about Boston Bruins AGM Evan Gold and
Speaker 3: how much respect he has in the hockey world.
Speaker 9: Well, I think that he's like one of the next
Speaker 9: generation of guys, right, don he you know, he he's
Speaker 9: you know, he's if you look at his educational background,
Speaker 9: he's a really sharp guy. He did a lot of
Speaker 9: key negotiating for the Boston Bruins. He helped run the
Speaker 9: Providence Bruins, the American Hockey League team. I know the
Speaker 9: Canucks considered running a team at either the NHL or
Speaker 9: the AHL level very important to them. You know, he's
Speaker 9: got a lot of hands on experience in negotiation, negotiating
Speaker 9: and running a team. So you know, I think that
Speaker 9: he's he's a really sharp young guy. To Ronald interviewed him.
Speaker 9: He didn't make the finalist there, I don't believe, but
Speaker 9: I heard they were very impressed with his interview when
Speaker 9: I spoke to them after it was over. You know,
Speaker 9: I just asked about individual cadidates and they said it
Speaker 9: was an impressive interview. So like, this is a guy
Speaker 9: who at some point in time will have the chance
Speaker 9: to run an NHL team. The question is if it's
Speaker 9: going to be now or it's going to be later.
Speaker 3: And Ryan Johnson Elliott, if indeed he doesn't get that AGM,
Speaker 3: probably the GM job in Vancouver. Is there a possibility
Speaker 3: he would fill the vacancy in Nashville, And we asked
Speaker 3: you that in part because there is a vacancy.
Speaker 1: Also he lives there in the offseason.
Speaker 9: Yeah, so that is like purely my speculation. I have
Speaker 9: been trying to figure out what Nashville has been up
Speaker 9: to here because they've taken a while, and I don't
Speaker 9: have a problem with them taking a while. If you
Speaker 9: wait to get the right person, that's the smart thing
Speaker 9: to do. And initially, and it's been the subject of
Speaker 9: some debate about what exactly happened, but the bottom line
Speaker 9: is he didn't interview in Nashville, and the fact that
Speaker 9: Predators have yet to make a hire has me wondering
Speaker 9: if he does not get this job in Vancouver, if
Speaker 9: they will circle back again and see if they can
Speaker 9: talk to him one he fits what they're looking for,
Speaker 9: which is somebody who, like we talked about with the Canucks,
Speaker 9: has run either an NHL or an HL team before.
Speaker 9: Both the Predators and the Canucks have a similar wish
Speaker 9: list there. And you know, the fact that he is
Speaker 9: an up and coming young executive, and also the fact that,
Speaker 9: as you said, he has the Nashville connection, it makes
Speaker 9: sense Like it might just be circumstantial evidence down but
Speaker 9: it makes sense in my head. So that's why I
Speaker 9: wondered about that.
Speaker 1: Elliott. You guys had Brendon Shanahan, now Matt Sendan, we
Speaker 1: had Trevor Linden now the Sadines. What's your view on
Speaker 1: former players getting these titles?
Speaker 9: I know, you know what, I don't have a problem
Speaker 9: as long as they're smart and willing to work. You know,
Speaker 9: you know, I think like I'm a big Sundean guy,
Speaker 9: like I really am. I love dealing with Mattz. I
Speaker 9: think he cares a lot like to me, I would
Speaker 9: describe Sunday a lot as I would describe the Twins.
Speaker 9: Really sharp guys, really care a lot about the organization.
Speaker 9: Being a maple leaf meant the world to Sundean as
Speaker 9: being a kaduck meant to the Sadeen Twins. That's very important.
Speaker 9: I think there should be pride in your organization, and
Speaker 9: you can't find people who have more pride in their
Speaker 9: organizations than the Sundeyn or the Sedens. I think there
Speaker 9: has to be an understanding Rick on what the job entails.
Speaker 9: You know, Matts is not going to be the primary
Speaker 9: decision maker in Toronto, but he's going to have a
Speaker 9: big opinion and they're going to listen to his opinion.
Speaker 9: It doesn't sound like the Sadeens are going to be
Speaker 9: the primary decision makers in Vancouver, but they're really sharp guys.
Speaker 9: They care a lot about the and you're going to
Speaker 9: listen to their opinions. So I think what it is
Speaker 9: is they're not going to be the full time guys,
Speaker 9: but they're going to be around more and they're not shy.
Speaker 9: You know, they're quiet, but they're not shy. They're going
Speaker 9: to tell you what they think and they know what
Speaker 9: makes people successful. And I think I think it's a
Speaker 9: great move. I think any as long as everybody understands
Speaker 9: the parameters and they're willing to be involved and willing
Speaker 9: to work. And it sounds like they are because they
Speaker 9: went I don't know the exact timeline here, Rick, but
Speaker 9: they went to them about this a little bit ago,
Speaker 9: and obviously they thought about it, and they seem prepared
Speaker 9: to accept it, and I I, I just don't understand
Speaker 9: how you think it would be a bad thing. I
Speaker 9: think it's But you know, the one the reason Lindon
Speaker 9: and Benning didn't work is they weren't on the same
Speaker 9: page right at the beginning.
Speaker 7: Here.
Speaker 9: You've got to make sure that everybody's on the same page.
Speaker 1: Elliott, I gotta get your thoughts on the Pierre Dori, Vancouver.
Speaker 1: You know, I I do believe in my heart the
Speaker 1: Canucks saw the negativity when his name was Leake and said, Nope,
Speaker 1: we're going to bypass them.
Speaker 9: That's something I'd like to ask them about when this
Speaker 9: is all over. I mean, he was a candidate. Yeah,
Speaker 9: it was to Vancouver, So I don't know how anybody
Speaker 9: can say he wasn't a candidate. I think every candidate
Speaker 9: should be judged on their own merits, and I don't
Speaker 9: have a problem with people agreeing or disagreeing on the
Speaker 9: merit of a particular candidate. I mean, that's life in
Speaker 9: the big city. I did wonder if some of it
Speaker 9: went a little bit over the top, you know what. Like,
Speaker 9: I'm far from a perfect human being. I make terrible
Speaker 9: mistakes and I say things that I wish I could
Speaker 9: take back. But you know, the one thing I really
Speaker 9: think is that you can make your point without some
Speaker 9: of the things I saw.
Speaker 3: That's all right, Elliott. You know we love to focus
Speaker 3: on the leafs here. Can you compare? Can you compare
Speaker 3: the reactions in Toronto to these two events, Monday's John
Speaker 3: Jacob press conference and Tuesday's winning of the draft lottery
Speaker 3: by the Toronto Maybe.
Speaker 9: You know, I'll tell you that, don The funniest thing is,
Speaker 9: I like, I grew up here and I have some
Speaker 9: friends who are big leaf fans, and the couple of
Speaker 9: them were pretty upset about the higher. They didn't like it,
Speaker 9: and then when they won the lottery, they're like, I
Speaker 9: told you this guy was a great guy. They're they're
Speaker 9: they're just they're they're just hilarious. I mean, look as
Speaker 9: disappointed as the Canucks fans were, and Vancouver is still
Speaker 9: gonna get a really good player. You know, it's it's
Speaker 9: been basically, you guys haven't had to pick that high
Speaker 9: since the Twins, right, So yeah, it's you're gonna get
Speaker 9: a good player and and a good play. Basically, what's
Speaker 9: gonna happen is unless you guys move anywhere, a good
Speaker 9: player is just gonna drop on your lap. So it's
Speaker 9: going to be a good day for the franchise. But
Speaker 9: I know the fans were disappointed, and as disappointed as
Speaker 9: those fans were, the Leaf fans were excited, and but
Speaker 9: it just it just shows you that the the you know,
Speaker 9: we are so lucky guys that we have fans who
Speaker 9: are super passionate. Whether you agree with them or you
Speaker 9: disagree with them, these people are the reason we all
Speaker 9: have jobs. And to me, like those those kinds of
Speaker 9: days back to back, it's like a big loss followed
Speaker 9: by a big win. We all ride the roller coaster
Speaker 9: together and we're lucky that we have jobs here.
Speaker 3: Well one more when it comes to Rick Talcket, former
Speaker 3: vank Verconnuck's head coach. But how would you characterized how
Speaker 3: would you describe the Flyers first season under ricktocket.
Speaker 9: Well, it was a success, right, and they got to
Speaker 9: they got to the playoffs. They went a round. Like
Speaker 9: it's really amazing, don if you watched the way that
Speaker 9: Philly Sports Weekend went. They went to the second round,
Speaker 9: they lost by a sweep and they got an ovation,
Speaker 9: and the seventy six ers went to the second round,
Speaker 9: they got swept and they got boot out of the
Speaker 9: arena by Knicks fans. Like it's it's like two different planets,
Speaker 9: you know, the one thing, you know, the one thing
Speaker 9: I kind of respect about talk it this year and
Speaker 9: they'll have to sort out the misicof thing. That's important.
Speaker 9: But it was the fact that he was willing to
Speaker 9: talk about how at the Olympics he asked for help
Speaker 9: from Peter de Boor, and Debor gave him something that
Speaker 9: helped fix their system. And some people were like, well,
Speaker 9: shouldn't he figure that out? He's the coach and My
Speaker 9: reaction to that is like we all have things we
Speaker 9: don't see right, Like none of us are perfect. Like
Speaker 9: you can ask someone for help and you can say,
Speaker 9: you know what, this person really helped us out. And
Speaker 9: I like the fact that talk ittt is his ego
Speaker 9: is not so big that he's not willing to ask
Speaker 9: for help, and then he's willing to admit, yeah, this
Speaker 9: guy helped me out. Like this is a results oriented business.
Speaker 9: They got to the second round of the playoffs. That's
Speaker 9: the success for the Flyers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, unfortunately for Pete Debor, they're now in the same
Speaker 3: division Islanders and Flash. Yeah. But other than that, I
Speaker 3: agree with divorce and say I take it back. Yeah, forget,
Speaker 3: forget what I said.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it took a while, we got.
Speaker 3: You, and uh we're lucky we did. Thanks so much
Speaker 3: and we'll talk to you in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 9: Yeah, you know what I just done. I just wanted
Speaker 9: to try to make sure I knew what you guys
Speaker 9: were gonna ask me. I know, obviously to the top
Speaker 9: of the day. I just wanted to have the best
Speaker 9: information I could and work on my Kyle Bukoska's.
Speaker 1: Stop God, it was perfect. It was good. It was good.
Speaker 3: Thanks Elliott, I appreciate it.
Speaker 9: Take care of guys, Eli.
Speaker 3: Freeman, Hockey Day in Canada and the thirty two Thoughts podcast. Well,
Speaker 3: Craig Button's on the show to more. I wanted to
Speaker 3: ask Elliott when it comes to the Leafs, just I
Speaker 3: know they lost yesterday, but Mitch Marner's leading the playoffs
Speaker 3: and in points. Oh boy, think of that. You're going
Speaker 3: to say something, sorry, Patrick?
Speaker 1: Just Ryan Patrick went on gold Sky Guy but thinking
Speaker 1: of gold Evan Gold a blue sky and said that
Speaker 1: he was a little premature in saying Evan Gold is
Speaker 1: a new gym at the.
Speaker 3: We did based our whole show.
Speaker 1: He's backing off. He's backtracking a bit a bit. It's
Speaker 1: so maybe Ryan is Ryan Johnson is Ryan Johnson is
Speaker 1: still in the mixed See what did.
Speaker 3: Elliott say at the start of that He wasn't sure.
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Speaker 1: Ryan, get her up the waddling dog up pole question?
Speaker 1: What will your reaction be if the Sadein Twins are
Speaker 1: named co presidents of Canucks Hockey ops you could have
Speaker 1: just said, you know, upper management. But anyways, what is
Speaker 1: co presidents of Hockey.
Speaker 3: Ops anyway, got it off of Old Sky.
Speaker 1: Blue Sky. It's not gold Sky, it's Blue Sky. Thumbs up.
Speaker 1: But we have to we have to go to what
Speaker 1: Elliott Friedman said as well, that he wouldn't commit. No no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no, we have to go to this comment. Elliott
Speaker 1: said the Sadine Twins will not be the primary decision
Speaker 1: makers in Vancouver, not full time guys, but around more.
Speaker 1: That's what I was told this morning. Is there going
Speaker 1: to be around more as opposed to the guys they're
Speaker 1: gonna move on, be more involved.
Speaker 3: So what will happen with player development? Then they're moving
Speaker 3: on from player development, I can still be involved in
Speaker 3: that on top of this new role.
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly this is all we gotta we gotta find out.
Speaker 3: But you know, I'm saying Elliott wouldn't commit to Evan
Speaker 3: Gold or Ryan Johnson at this point. No, obviously it's
Speaker 3: between those two.
Speaker 1: And Patrick Johnson has backtracked a bit and said gold.
Speaker 3: Is we got that tweet? Actually, maybe show a tweet.
Speaker 3: It's from Blue Sky, so it's a post. Uh, They're
Speaker 3: all posts. I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't keep up the first one, Ryan, So is
Speaker 1: the sky's still alive.
Speaker 3: With the two posts together? Go go Rick, go go nuts?
Speaker 1: Which one? Where am I going?
Speaker 3: Here? The top?
Speaker 1: No? No, I want to read the bottom? Well, no,
Speaker 1: go for people just tuning in, ok here we go
Speaker 1: being reported elsewhere, and I have it now Sedines will
Speaker 1: be moving into hockey ops roles alongside Evan Gold.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: Not clear about the futures of Cammi Granado and Emily
Speaker 1: cast On gay assistant GMS. But then eighteen minutes later,
Speaker 1: Patrick said, to be clear, and you're all going to
Speaker 1: grow grown, uh, not growing, but grown a little bit
Speaker 1: at me. This is about the.
Speaker 3: See you're pulling a growing ring. I am.
Speaker 1: I believe Gold is going to be GM, but I
Speaker 1: don't have that one hundred percent locked down.
Speaker 3: Okay, So that that speaks to what Elliot had to say,
Speaker 3: because he he I remember at the top of the interview, Yeah,
Speaker 3: he said pretty sure, not certain himself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I just got a text. Ryan Johnson is
Speaker 1: still in the mix. Ryan Johnson is still in the mix.
Speaker 1: Ryan Johnson is still in the mix in Vancouver. In Vancouver,
Speaker 1: and Patrick Alvian might be in the mix as well.
Speaker 1: What are you talking about?
Speaker 3: Ry Don? Well, he showed up.
Speaker 1: We got texting that at Rogers a reading today, right.
Speaker 1: Someone told me that Elvan's at Rodgers reading this morning.
Speaker 1: I have no idea. Why.
Speaker 3: Why wouldn't Why wouldn't I done it?
Speaker 1: Maybe he's here for the scouting meetings? This guy, I
Speaker 1: know the scouting meetings started this morning.
Speaker 3: Where are we Ryan with the clip that I wanted
Speaker 3: to show. He's still working on it. But here's what
Speaker 3: I whenever it comes to that situation. Now, this is
Speaker 3: just me. I could care less what people think of
Speaker 3: me if somebody, as you know, I'm doing the show.
Speaker 3: But if somebody asked me, hey, do you want to
Speaker 3: stick around in a lesser role? And still I would
Speaker 3: think get paid, grab a decent paycheck, work in the
Speaker 3: hockey world, which I love, I'd be okay with it.
Speaker 3: Would people look down at me? I guess. But I mean,
Speaker 3: if I've got no other choice and I like it
Speaker 3: in Vancouver and I want to help you, why wouldn't
Speaker 3: you take a listener?
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't know. The Canucks fire a deal.
Speaker 1: The Canucks fired him, but they offered him a job
Speaker 1: to come back and uh what was the hotel? Uh
Speaker 1: he had tongs.
Speaker 3: Strongs not a hotel, grocery store that has like a
Speaker 3: a cafeteria.
Speaker 1: Somebody tweeted at us, said Patrick and the Sadine twins
Speaker 1: at Strong's grocery store last night. Yes, having a drink.
Speaker 1: I would assume he's coffee your team.
Speaker 3: Well, it's at Stones.
Speaker 1: I'm a guy. I've never heard of Strongs in my life.
Speaker 3: It's an old school west side grocery store.
Speaker 1: I've never heard of strongsre or.
Speaker 3: Maybe he got let go.
Speaker 10: Maybe he got let go, he got fired and then
Speaker 10: just showed up to work today and hopefully, you know,
Speaker 10: thinking that nobody will remember that he got fired.
Speaker 3: We've seen this before. Is that stam over there? What
Speaker 3: are you doing here?
Speaker 6: But?
Speaker 4: Am I crazy?
Speaker 3: Or didn't you quit?
Speaker 6: What?
Speaker 3: What that are you kidding?
Speaker 5: You took that?
Speaker 4: Seriously? You mean laughing stock all that stuff?
Speaker 9: Will you just stop it?
Speaker 3: No brains, no ability? What we've seen it before. All right,
Speaker 3: we do a lot of Seinfeld references here.
Speaker 1: I got an update on Strongs.
Speaker 3: Well, thank god for that.
Speaker 1: No, this is going to be relevant because it all
Speaker 1: makes sense. Strongs is owned by the.
Speaker 3: Really Yes, Oh wow, Okay, I just got it all fits.
Speaker 3: It all fits.
Speaker 1: So Aquiline's got these grocery store Strongs. Can you show
Speaker 1: that what a Strongs look like?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Look at grocery logo logo, Donnie, I've.
Speaker 3: Never say it's green, isn't it?
Speaker 1: I don't have I don't have the Aquline google Strongs.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't have them owning it.
Speaker 3: You know, I believe it's a West Side old school
Speaker 3: grocery store that's still around.
Speaker 1: I guess I just got a text in the role.
Speaker 3: I'm a Burnaby guide. I didn't go to Stings.
Speaker 1: So if Alvin and the twins were at Strong's last night,
Speaker 1: owned by aquab it makes sense.
Speaker 5: I don't have them owner owning it. I have somebody
Speaker 5: else owning it.
Speaker 1: Are you sure?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll double check on that.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, fred Fred Strong owns it.
Speaker 5: I'm still I'm just very like am I the only
Speaker 5: one insanely confused by this dolly weall' is seeing him
Speaker 5: at Rogers Arena.
Speaker 1: He's somebody.
Speaker 5: You're hearing that somebody saw him. He's hanging out with
Speaker 5: the two guys that might be getting an elevated role.
Speaker 3: What the hell's going.
Speaker 5: Is he out of the organization or not?
Speaker 1: Like what is he guys asked to come back?
Speaker 3: Ryan? Yeah, but what about the whole situation here with
Speaker 3: some people are being hired, they're not being hired? Is
Speaker 3: Ryan Johnson sticking around? What about Emily casta gay and
Speaker 3: in Cammi Grenado it's I'm sure they'll they'll have some
Speaker 3: fun because you know by by this time in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty nine.
Speaker 11: And look at we're reacting, Ryan, We're reacting to a
Speaker 11: million leaks, right, So so they're not they're not publicly
Speaker 11: making a mess of this, right, we're only getting leaks.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 11: That's becoming a mess.
Speaker 1: You've got just are You've got some business and I
Speaker 1: want to stop you.
Speaker 3: Ryan uh.
Speaker 1: Owns it. You may have partners, but he owns.
Speaker 3: So I'm not sure who the general manager is going
Speaker 3: to be the caducts, but we've nailed down Stongs owners.
Speaker 1: Strongs is owned by Aquillini. That's why you saw the
Speaker 1: twins and Alvin they're not.
Speaker 3: So a guy that I think is just a coincidence
Speaker 3: that it's owned by the Aquilanes. What are they getting
Speaker 3: a discount? Maybe they're coffee?
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me. You're kidding you think he's giving
Speaker 1: anybody a Discount's true, they're gonna pay duble that Aline
Speaker 1: owns stongs. I've never heard of Strongs. I'm a save
Speaker 1: On guy.
Speaker 5: I think it's in Dunbar.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just said that kind of we're Siddish. Yeah,
Speaker 3: all right.
Speaker 1: Business is the price as good as Strong's, Goon's expensive.
Speaker 1: It's just crazy. As an alumni member, I can tell
Speaker 1: you these they have those dollars forty nine days though.
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Speaker 3: I bet you did.
Speaker 1: Your life is so sad?
Speaker 3: Many nine.
Speaker 1: Eleven strawberries? What is this world coming to me?
Speaker 4: So?
Speaker 3: I don't do we know, but just hold on a second.
Speaker 3: Do you know if Savon is a client of checks? No,
Speaker 3: it's not. Maybe we should stop.
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Speaker 1: you buying?
Speaker 5: There's a two pound thing about the six bucks business
Speaker 5: business in a.
Speaker 1: Little blueberry box seven ninety nine.
Speaker 3: It's probably a strawberry box.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Uh.
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Speaker 3: All Right, okay, you mentioned Barry Beck. DTMZ is coming
Speaker 3: up next, but we wanted to go out on Barry's
Speaker 3: old coach, the late great Ernie McClain, who left us
Speaker 3: at age ninety three on Friday. I've talked about this
Speaker 3: a lot, we've run it before the show. It's one
Speaker 3: of my favorite YouTube videos of all time. It really
Speaker 3: sums up what was going on at Queen's Park Arena
Speaker 3: back in those days, and you can talk about all
Speaker 3: the fighting and they also won a lot of hockey games.
Speaker 3: But this is Ernie McClain at his punch McLean, at
Speaker 3: his punch McLean best at Queen's Park Arena. Bruins versus
Speaker 3: Portland in the seventies. To break DTMZ next.
Speaker 12: During a recent game at Queen's Park, John Paul Kelly
Speaker 12: of the Bruins, who lost an eye himself, was taught
Speaker 12: at about the protective mask he wears by the opposing goalie.
Speaker 12: The goaltender was able to start a fight, but he
Speaker 12: had to tear the mask right off Kelly's face before
Speaker 12: the usually aggressive bruin would retaliate. When the linesman had
Speaker 12: subdued Kelly, the goalie then picked up Kelly's mask from
Speaker 12: the ice and put it on. He then started to
Speaker 12: mimic a blind man on skates. That action so enraged
Speaker 12: Ernie McClain that he went out onto the ice and
Speaker 12: told the young goalkeeper that if he ever did anything
Speaker 12: like that again, the league would not be big enough
Speaker 12: for the.
Speaker 8: Two of them.
Speaker 12: This type of action in the past possibly has built
Speaker 12: up an incorrect reputation for Ernie McLain.
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Speaker 3: Just to recap Rick regarding the Canucks general manager situation
Speaker 3: and maybe throwing some stongs information as well.
Speaker 1: The Strongs is definitely owned by the Aquallini Group. It's
Speaker 1: on their website. So anyways, I've got media backing it up.
Speaker 1: Canucks are down to two guys, Evan Gold and Ryan Johnson.
Speaker 1: No one's been picked yet, but we do expect that
Speaker 1: one of those two guys to get the job.
Speaker 3: And it was reported earlier today, not that long ago,
Speaker 3: that Evan Gold had the job that's been retracted since then.
Speaker 3: It's still a two horse race as far as we know.
Speaker 3: And this looks like the Cedes are moving into hockey
Speaker 3: hockey yops, from player development.
Speaker 1: Our good friend Patrick Johnson, and he had that information.
Speaker 3: Okay, So we've spent a lot of time talking mostly
Speaker 3: about strongs. So let's get right to birthdays for me, all.
Speaker 1: Right, Ryan, get her up. The sponsor pork Chop Louise
Speaker 1: Butcher shop at Casino Pincher Creek, Alberta.
Speaker 5: This is one of our old ones.
Speaker 1: Curtncy Pete, Calgary, Peton, Calgary, right, pork Chopp.
Speaker 3: He used to work in Pitcher Creek, didn't you.
Speaker 1: I knew a hockey player from Pincher Creek played on
Speaker 1: our Huskies team in ninety two, pitch Patrick. I think
Speaker 1: his name was good Guy. It's so fake, Oh Fitzpatrick,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you're you're not gonna believe me that
Speaker 1: I know a guy from Pincher Creek on the junior
Speaker 1: team in ninety two.
Speaker 3: Patrick fay John.
Speaker 1: He was a cowboy type guy. Yeah, it was came.
Speaker 3: It was his first name.
Speaker 1: I can't too.
Speaker 3: It was nineteen Louis Fitzpatrick.
Speaker 1: It's five hundred decades ago? Was it Dody would? Doty
Speaker 1: Wood was a peal of mine. Don't you be ripping
Speaker 1: Doty Would? Okay, let's get calling. This guy was the
Speaker 1: third round pick of the Bruins in two thousand and six.
Speaker 1: The Bruins made a trade with the Islanders to make
Speaker 1: sure they got him in the draft. He won the
Speaker 1: Bruins Seventh Player Award, given by fans to the player
Speaker 1: who's surpassed expectations when not two thousand and six four
Speaker 1: time all start. He once had Louis Erickson as a
Speaker 1: linemate in Boston. He won the Eddie Shore Award in
Speaker 1: Boston for exceptional hustle and determination. Holds the Bruins record
Speaker 1: for shorthanded and overtime goals. Are you guys here? Are
Speaker 1: you guys here?
Speaker 3: Marshant?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's Martshant. He won an award in two thousand
Speaker 1: and sixth the year.
Speaker 3: He was ding.
Speaker 1: This is Pastornak all over again. I said, two thoy
Speaker 1: and fourteen. He won the Eddie Shore Award.
Speaker 5: No he didn't, you said two thousand and He was
Speaker 5: drafted in two thousand and he said it was sixties.
Speaker 1: Stop stop, you got it.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's you know what bothers me above Brad Marshan,
Speaker 3: what is that when he was beating up Daniel Sadin
Speaker 3: he was a rookie. Yeah, that bothers me. But they
Speaker 3: should have done something twenty eleven.
Speaker 5: He was a rookie, absolutely, and that was the whole
Speaker 5: turn the other cheek get a power play score and.
Speaker 3: It worked for them for the most part. That was
Speaker 3: a moment. I think they'd like to get back big ten.
Speaker 1: Okay, Ron, you got to stay out of this. This
Speaker 1: is for Donnie. This undrafted old played almost five hundred
Speaker 1: games in the WHA and the NHL. He won two
Speaker 1: ABC World Trophies, WHL Champs in Winnipeg nineteen seventy four
Speaker 1: when he what do you want me to say? I'm
Speaker 1: giving you tips. Nineteen seventy four, he joined Winnipeg. His
Speaker 1: NHL rights belonged to Buffalo. Let the WHA with eighty
Speaker 1: five assists and in nineteen seventy six tied with Mark
Speaker 1: Tarte nineteen seventy six playoffs twenty six points in thirteen games.
Speaker 3: So it's either alf Nielson or anders hedberg Off Nielsen.
Speaker 1: Elf Nielsen, you got it. He went on to play
Speaker 1: of the Rangers, well.
Speaker 3: He played on the lot Bobby Bobby Hall and andrews Hedberg,
Speaker 3: and they all loved playing with him.
Speaker 1: One of the first Europeans to make the jump over
Speaker 1: those two guys. Great guys. Okay, this guy was the
Speaker 1: third round pick of the Penguins in twenty ten. In
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, NHL dot com said if they redid the
Speaker 1: twenty ten draft, he'd be ranked twentieth overall. He played
Speaker 1: a Notre dame in the NCAA, currently the fourth longest
Speaker 1: tenured Penguin after Crosby Mulkin and the tang Is it rust?
Speaker 3: Wow?
Speaker 1: Oh, Brian Rush, you got it? That could be a
Speaker 1: little fishy?
Speaker 5: Who else would it be?
Speaker 1: How would you know? Brian Russ has been there fourth longest,
Speaker 1: who well, how would you know that? Who else would
Speaker 1: it be? He won two Stanley Cups? Would Jim russing?
Speaker 3: A song? Who could have been? Now?
Speaker 1: Who could have been? Who was that?
Speaker 3: Men at work?
Speaker 1: Meno work? What great song that was? Men at work?
Speaker 1: Was great?
Speaker 3: You can hear it playing at stones. Oh at work?
Speaker 1: So much popped today? So are you gonna rip?
Speaker 3: Men at work?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 3: Find me?
Speaker 1: Who can it be knocking at my door?
Speaker 3: Down?
Speaker 1: Down? Under from Australia. They were good. Who can it be?
Speaker 5: Now has the sacks? That was the saxophone populations.
Speaker 3: From Australia ACDC in excess.
Speaker 1: Also, oh suicide blonde in excess. This quarterback won the
Speaker 1: High Side of Bowl. This quarterback won the Heisman Trophy
Speaker 1: and the National Championship Game as a junior NCAA title.
Speaker 1: This quarterback is a rookie in the NFL. In twenty eleven,
Speaker 1: broke the season single NFL record for rushing touchdowns by
Speaker 1: quarterback fourteen twenty eleven. Yeah, his dad was a safety
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys. His younger brother was a center in
Speaker 1: the NFL. He's the only player in NFL history five
Speaker 1: seasons of three thousand plus passing yards five hundred rushing yards,
Speaker 1: first Africa African American quarterback to outright win the NFL
Speaker 1: MVP Award. Are you too serious? Is it?
Speaker 3: Cam Newton?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Really, I didn't know that last that Cam Newton.
Speaker 8: Is that?
Speaker 1: It's act way. I can't make up birthdays. I'm not gonna,
Speaker 1: you know, pretend to know any birthdays.
Speaker 3: I try that, okay? Is it just me coming up next?
Speaker 3: Eric Burden meanwhile, eighty five years old, Wow, and he's
Speaker 3: gonna help play us out from October sixty five and
Speaker 3: the hold on a second here it's thirteen seconds from
Speaker 3: October of nineteen sixty five. Go and the album The
Speaker 3: Best of the Animals. This is Eric Burden and the
Speaker 3: Animals and it's my life. Pay attention, Rick on check
Speaker 3: groovy music all day long on a BC Monday morning.
Speaker 1: Is it just me?
Speaker 3: It's next? It's a hard world to get a break in.
Speaker 1: Oh god, this was gold eighties, eighties, eighties. This was
Speaker 1: a great song.
Speaker 3: I always remember the yellow and black album cover, right yeah?
Speaker 1: Is it mena work menta work great stuff? Thank you
Speaker 1: for that that brings not to be confused with men
Speaker 1: without hats? Yes, right there, best decade ever from music
Speaker 1: eighties right there? What are you gonna You're gonna fight
Speaker 1: me on that?
Speaker 3: This song didn't help?
Speaker 1: No, it was good. What's wrong with this song?
Speaker 3: I don't know why. I just I'm with Ryan the Sacks, like.
Speaker 5: I said, the Sacks like he is on what are
Speaker 5: their sax songs?
Speaker 3: What's wrong with this song?
Speaker 1: What? O?
Speaker 3: The Sack songs are there with like a lot of Springsteen. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but the big man, right, Eric, somebody right there right
Speaker 3: there where?
Speaker 1: Who see the Sack right? Well, what's wrong with the Sacks?
Speaker 1: It's what's wrong with Is it just me Billy G?
Speaker 1: The Sacks guy? Okay?
Speaker 9: Is it just me?
Speaker 1: Kenny G? Kenny. I didn't say Billy G G was sized.
Speaker 1: I meant Kenny G was he?
Speaker 3: He wasnt Sacks? No, I don't think so, go go
Speaker 3: Is it just like Kenny G?
Speaker 8: Is it just me?
Speaker 1: But it's really embarrassing seeing Dawn and Rick cry over
Speaker 1: the possibility the Canucks might hire Gold over RJH. That's
Speaker 1: from Amrit. First of all, we're not crying. The Canucks
Speaker 1: are going to pick their guy today, whether it's Gold
Speaker 1: or RJ. It's no skin off our back. We're just
Speaker 1: covering the team. I don't understand why we'd be crying.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you get that we're crying over it.
Speaker 1: We're covering the story for crying out loud.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Kenny G. Sacks.
Speaker 1: I thought it was Kenny G. I told you that
Speaker 1: Sacks guy, the Sacks guy.
Speaker 3: We're getting a lot of submissions I can't name name
Speaker 3: them all about this, but is Patrick Alpi sticking around
Speaker 3: to become gm of one of Equallini's stung stories. I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: but there's a lot of that what he got?
Speaker 1: Okay? Is it just me? I'd like this this Alan
Speaker 1: and Yale Town's yeah good good guy? Is just me?
Speaker 1: Or isn't it the Canock way to have Ryan Johnson
Speaker 1: find out he didn't get the job through the media
Speaker 1: and not by the Canucks. Yeah, you know what, Alan,
Speaker 1: I did. The way technology and the world works today,
Speaker 1: somebody gets a text in less than one second, Lady,
Speaker 1: they're tweeting it out. Don't be surprised if that happens.
Speaker 3: Uh, this is Bobby Poco. Is it just me? Or
Speaker 3: are the Canucks going to hire Evan Gold so he
Speaker 3: could facilitate a trade of Peterson to Boston? Oh? I
Speaker 3: don't think he'd fit the Bruin mold.
Speaker 1: If the Canucks can move that guy anywhere, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure the new GM is going to try.
Speaker 1: Is it just me?
Speaker 3: Dwight Ernie Punch McLain died on his way to do
Speaker 3: something he loved, prospecting appropriate way to go for a
Speaker 3: BC Hockey icon and a truly tough guy. I guess
Speaker 3: you might call that if you want to look at
Speaker 3: it as a positive. And they don't think he's any
Speaker 3: positives here. But he was on his way to take
Speaker 3: care of the mind. Took care of it. Pleab Be
Speaker 3: owned up up near Atland, near D's Lake.
Speaker 1: These lake is far away. It's passport Nelson. We're going.
Speaker 1: You and I are up there and it's going way
Speaker 1: up there. And he just loved mining like he loved hockey.
Speaker 1: And just a very sad day.
Speaker 3: Okay, we got to take a break. We'll wrap up
Speaker 3: the show and the poll question next. Donyd the team
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Speaker 3: Question of the day and it is, what.
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Speaker 1: cool presidents of hockey ops? Look at this? Eighty seven
Speaker 1: percent say no problem, thumbs up, bot, fourteen percent say
Speaker 1: thumbs down.
Speaker 3: Do you have pictures?
Speaker 1: Ryan, where we're going?
Speaker 5: We've got a photo with Ernie Punch, perfect from one
Speaker 5: of our viewers.
Speaker 1: We just we got to show it wearing a sports
Speaker 1: page hat.
Speaker 5: No, not with a sports page hat.
Speaker 1: But who is this again? Right? I asked you if
Speaker 1: you had the details? Right, Yeah, showed it. Hold on
Speaker 1: a second, let me go find it there it's stunks. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's right here. It's no, there's no name. Oh, Bob
Speaker 1: from Bob's Limos. Bob Limos, Limos, Limos Limos, Bob from
Speaker 1: Bob's Limos. You guys are the best pleasure meeting and
Speaker 1: talking hockey with Punch. Look at this. This is a
Speaker 1: pick and maple ridge with me and Punch.
Speaker 5: We got a few submissions. We got another one saying
Speaker 5: that they've recognized him on the skytrain and talked hockey.
Speaker 3: He went tyre Reames and a friend of mine, Loris
Speaker 3: Thomas Ella, sent a picture to me recently he met
Speaker 3: Ernie on the skytrain going to Knocks games. Yeah, ninety
Speaker 3: three years old hopping on the sky train going to
Speaker 3: Kanok games. Is always at Giants games BRB Yeah, minor hockey.
Speaker 3: He would go down to Seattle to watch the Kraken.
Speaker 3: He was over ninety years old.
Speaker 1: Right to the end. He would attend hockey games everywhere
Speaker 1: in the Lower Mainland, the Canucks, Giants. Everybody tweeted out
Speaker 1: to this weekend the sadness of Punch's death.
Speaker 5: I got one more photo. This is from our good
Speaker 5: friend Karen Sermon. Her dog Wriggly Black Labs see the
Speaker 5: bottom there, Yeah, watching the show, and she says the
Speaker 5: dog is not impressed at all, but his current recovering
Speaker 5: from surgery. So she's on the couch chilling watching, No, but.
Speaker 1: Not impressed because watching us. Yeah, she doesn't think the
Speaker 1: dog is overly impressed. So the doctor doesn't like us.
Speaker 5: He's all clicking together.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're getting it, but Karen's watching.
Speaker 1: Karen's a friend of ours.
Speaker 5: Of course watching the dog's name is Wrigley.
Speaker 1: Wriggley. That's a great dog named Wrigley.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, really good Lauren from Rocketford. Is it just me?
Speaker 3: But I think the Canucks will wait until you guys
Speaker 3: are off the air before announcing their new GM. We've
Speaker 3: accused the Canucks of holding back, and you do until
Speaker 3: after noon after twelve noon, just to just to mess
Speaker 3: with us. They don't like us.
Speaker 1: This will not hurt the sdines legacy. It could be
Speaker 1: an idiot like me as the p Oho and the
Speaker 1: fans will blame it the ownership. The ownership record speaks
Speaker 1: for itself.
Speaker 3: Peter and Cloverdale p Oho, President of Hockey Operations.
Speaker 1: Yep, here's a great one renamed Queens Park Arena Punch
Speaker 1: McLain Arena.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what a great, great idea. Get that statue done
Speaker 3: first and then and then go from there. Thoughts, prayers,
Speaker 3: and knoless to all friends and family of our Ernie
Speaker 3: Punch mcclaim and that includes ourselves. Thanks so much for
Speaker 3: tuning in, folks of obviously more Canucks news tomorrow. We'll
Speaker 3: see what happens in this search for a new general
Speaker 3: manager of stonings On behalf of Ryan, Derek Rick, everybody
Speaker 3: here at oh Boy.
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