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Speaker 4: Welcome back everybody. This is Matt Connorton, unleashed we are
live from the studios of w M and H on
this Saturday morning. You might be hearing Amnesia by John
Poussett Dart and we have him, I believe on the
phone with us.
Speaker 5: John, is that you, Hey man, how are you doing?
Speaker 4: Good? Good, Welcome to the show. It's great to speak
with you. I I kind of went down the rabbit
hole last night with your music. Obviously, I've always been
aware of you, but it's been a long time since
I listened to any any of your uh well, first
of all, since any Posset Dart band. Uh So that
was fun kind of going back and listening to a
lot of that stuff. And I also listen to some
of your more recent solo material. And I have to say,
I really really love a lot of what you're doing.
And I'm excited that you're coming to Manchester on the
thirteenth to play at the Rex Theater.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, the Rex is a really nice room. We love
coming back there.
Speaker 4: Have you played there quite a bit over the years.
Speaker 5: We have played, Yes, we have, we have. And the
new end it's kind of you know, it's gone to
a couple of changes and they've really fixed it up
nice now and it's just a really really great listening room.
I mean, people really and the audiences are really good
and the whole staff who run it are really great folks.
So's it's excellent. We yes, we love coming there.
Speaker 4: Outstanding. Now are you doing? How big of a tour
is this? Are you doing quite a few dates?
Speaker 5: Yeah, this September. We're jumping around quite a bit all
through September. It gets quiets down after September, but we're
all over We're doing you know, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Maine, Connecticut.
We're moving around quite a bit this month, so that's good.
And it's myself and Jim Chaplain, who's I've been playing
with now for twenty five years, and we're doing I've
been really focusing on kind of coming back to the
root of the song's duo, which I really like and
it really brings in people close to to the songs
and the music. So we're really joying working, you know,
in this very kind of intimate environment. So it's really great.
And Jim and I have been playing together for a
long time, so it's a very we're very tight. It's
like he's a brother, you know.
Speaker 4: Excellent. Now, Jim was not a member of Who's That
Dart Band?
Speaker 5: Correct, not the original band, but he's been a member
of the band for twenty five years because the band
original band broke up quite quite a way's back. But
Jim and I have been playing together now for over
twenty five years, and in the band when we were
working with the band. But these days we've been, as
I mentioned, we're focusing more on just doing a I've
been focusing on the acoustic aspect of it just because
I really enjoy it. But Jim has been is well known.
I mean he's I don't know how if you remember
n RBQ and the old but he plays with Al Anderson,
who's like one of my favorite guitar players and songwriters,
and so we've known each other for a long long time.
And uh, he's he's uh he's he's just great.
Speaker 4: So now on this tour, is it just the two
of you? You're just doing it as a duo? Yeah, okay, okay,
now you you said so you prefer that?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 4: I mean, is he playing with you the entire set?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, we do a duo with the whole show
is duo?
Speaker 4: Oh very good?
Speaker 5: So so you know, I and allows me to kind
of really open up and carry down the root of
the songs and then and we we trade off. It's
like we're very it's very seamless how it's kind of
worked out together. But but it's it's just, uh, it's
just kind of nice feel, and it brings the songs
right to the root of where they are, so it's
very uh, you know, you really get the core of
what it brings. And it also I find uh, you know,
having done both, I like enjoy the band, but when
you're playing with the band, it kind of pushes it.
You know, it puts you, what, it's a little further
away from you, whereas when you're acoustic in this setting,
it really allows an intimacy. It allows the audience to
come up really kind of get in close and bring
the songs up very in a very kind of warm way.
So I really enjoy it.
Speaker 4: Do you ever play with a full band at this
point or do you always do? I mean, since boos
had Dart band broke up, how long was that band together?
Not not that long?
Speaker 5: Right, Well, we were together in the seventies and into
the early eighties, and then the industry really kind of
took a big shift at that point, and that's when
we left Capital and we've done We've got a long
tour and then disbanded after this very long tour across
the country, and the whole nature of radio and record
really went to a shift. It was kind of during
the period when the disco and techno stuff really hit
the country, yep. And and when we were with Capital
at that point, there was a band called the Nac
that turned in my Sharona, and the labels really just
changed their whole emphasis and direction and so a lot
of rosters really shifted around that period of time, and
so it was almost kind of the end of an era.
And it wasn't really until kind of the beginning of
the nineties when when the female artists kind of came
back into the picture that I felt like kind of
really kind of reconnecting. And it was because it was
it was the whole that whole ere in the eighties
was a kind of a bizarre period of time musically.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's interesting. A lot of people when they go
through that, I just know from interviewing people when they
go through something like that where they've been on a
major label and then you know, it kind of like
you said, there's a shift, right, and then they get
kind of at the end of it, they're kind of
exhausted by it all, and they and they step away entirely,
and it sounds like, so did you take a break.
It sounds like you took a bit of a break
after that.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, we did. I mean the whole there was
a big shift in terms of the whole picture. In
other words, I left, we left capital, I left management,
and at that point, I actually I moved. I moved
to a different area, and then I moved from I
lived in Rockport at the end of the seventies, and
then I moved to New York and started doing when
the band broke up, and I started doing a lot
of session work, and so I got involved with singing
and doing a lot of session work in the city,
which kind of kept me very active, but in a
kind of in a different name. It was more more
revolving around television and different things that were and writing
for different venues rather than just record and so I
got really involved in that through the eighties, which was
great because I worked with a ton of people and
I had a lot of and I actually had a
lot of different bands then, but there were different players.
It was a different bunch of guys playing, you know,
it was it was it wasn't the original band, but
the original band, all the original guys, Troy and Curtis
and I are all in touch, like we speak to
each other regularly, and we're all still you know, everybody's
kind of gone off in different directions as happens. Yeah,
because really, when you were with a band like we were,
we were a family. I mean, it's like being married.
You know, it's like a marriage, you know, and when
the marriage breaks up, you know, you everybody kind of
goes off in different directions. But we're still very very
close and I love those guys yearly, and we stayed
very much in touch.
Speaker 4: That's really good to hear, because, as you know, so
often that's not the outcome. You know, very very often
it's it's, you know, people don't talk to each other anymore,
there's there's some sort of weird grudge between musicians who've
been in a band.
Speaker 5: That wasn't the case. Yeah, that wasn't the case with
that's because it was more just the business that changed.
It wasn't. It wasn't it wasn't interpersonal. It was more
just uh, you know, we really worked hard and we
you know, we broke the top forty and then it didn't.
It didn't. You know, it's just for a number of reasons.
There were a lot of decisions that were made that
were kind of speculative that we weren't very happy about
choice of singles and the directions of the labels you know,
chose that kind of affected the whole picture. And so
there was a little bit of dis franchisement with kind
of what had happened on that level. Because the record
business is such a wacky business. People have no idea
how crazy the record business was back then. Yeah, so
it was like really a different animal, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's still pretty crazy in a lot of ways.
We talk about it a lot on this on this program.
But so when you got back in so that was
during the nineties when you started really kind of focusing
on your solo career and playing out and all of that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, what yeah, Yes, what happened is I was
actually in New York and we were playing the Loan
Star with the New York band who I was playing
with John McCurry and Chris Bishop and some really great
session players. John McCurry is one of my favorite guitar
players in New York. And he's been with Julian Lennon, Billy,
Joel False. I mean, he's played with everybody, and he's
like he's a really he's in Cyndi Laufer did all
of her early stuff and he's a really good old
friend and he was he joined the band for a
while and we were very close and I was playing
the Loans, I was I was doing the Loans start. Actually,
one night with the old Loans stared thirteenth and Fifth,
which is a great room, and they run an ad
and there was a record guy in Nashville at that
time with us. It's at that time there was a
label called Asylum, and he was with Asylum Nashville and
he saw the ad and he called me up in
New York said what are you doing in New York?
He said, why did you come down to Nashville? And
that's where we originally recorded the early records, all in Nashville,
and he said, watch you come down. I'll set you
up with with you know, a whole bunch of great
writers for and we'll get see, you know, let's see
what we can put together and so he basically contacted
me out of the blue and set me up with
all of the most wonderful writers in Nashville. And so
I went down and wrote for two weeks and then
recorded all that material and that kind of brought me
back into the Nashville fold. And so then I started
working on solo things from there on, and that's where
my original solos, a lot of the first solo things
started getting off the ground. Yeah, And it was like,
so went full circle because we actually did our first
records there in the early seventies at the Old Quad,
which was a notorious that's where Drifted Away by Doobe
Gray was cut and all of the kind of legendary
stuff from that era was cut at the Old Quad
on Grand Avenue in Nashville.
Speaker 4: So you probably back there. So you probably didn't have
any trepidation, right, because I know a lot of people,
you know, when they go to Nashville, people we've had
on the show, they'll talk about how scary it is
because that's, like, you know, I mean, that's high pressure, right,
you know, sitting around writing writing songs with people in Nashville, Tennessee.
But you had already recorded there with the band and everything.
So for you, I assume it was pretty comfortable.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, we were very fortunate, and that was the
first place we went when we first signed Capitol. They
sent us to Nashville with Norvid Putnam and Norvid Putnam
and David Briggs and Kenny Butchery who we did the
first records with were the last Elvis Presley manned oh wow.
They were with Presley. So we were working with the
Presley crew. Wow. Which was really amazing as a green
kid to be in the studio with those guys because
they were just phenomenal. And so we I was very
lucky to kind of to bump into like some of
the most veteran players at the very beginning, and we
were and we were in Quad, which is one of
the studios which was had Dylan worked in, Joan Baez,
Dobie Gray, you know, Dan Fogelberg, you name it, Jesse
Winchester was like that studio was the place.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and so so it was we Yeah, so I
was We were very fortunate to really land in with
a really good crew and nor what it was an
amazing musician and producer.
Speaker 5: So we were very very fortunate to be in the
good graces of some really wonderful people who you know,
was a world class education for me and in every way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. Now the stuff that you
do now on tour, do you do a lot of
the original material who sat Dart band? Or is it
I imagine you mixed in because you've been prolific, You've
recorded a lot both with the band and since then
as well.
Speaker 5: Yes, so so yes, So basically I make a good
I make a point of really going back and honoring
a lot of the early material, through the early records,
through the capital of years, and then we move on
through the newer things. So it's a real you know,
it's quite a wide swath of material, you know, that
goes back to the beginning for the songs that people
really like from that period, and then newer things. And
also a couple of very discreet covers here. I try
and pick songs that I really love to play by,
you know, by really great writers here and there. So
it's it's a real wide array of things. And and
Jim is you know, we both covered a lot of
ground guitar wise, and Jim is just an amazing musician.
So and we're very tight you know, and so it's it's, uh,
you know, we're very close with each other and kind
of it's there's a lot of really nice chemistry involved.
So it's fun. It's just it's just really fun.
Speaker 4: Yeah, are you by the way, are you from here? Originally?
Where are you from?
Speaker 5: I'm actually from New York.
Speaker 7: I was, I was.
Speaker 5: I was born in New York and raised in New York,
and I moved I went to Boston when I first
met I first. The reason how I wound up in
Boston is I had my grandparents lived in Nantucket and
I used to go up there a bit, and when
I was in the fifties, in the late fifties and
early sixties, and they One night, I had a friend
who got me to sit down and do an audition
in front of John Hammond who was playing the Chicken Box,
the club out in Nantucket, and John asked me to
stay on and play with him for three nights. And
so I opened for John Hammond at the Chicken Box
and one night Don Law, who was a promoter in Boston,
ye very familiar there because he and John Hammon's father.
John Law's father and John Hammond's father were both talent
scouts who had founded all kinds of you know, legendary
in the music business. Yeah, and Don saw the show
and said, what are you doing? I want you to
come to ball And I went to Boston and he
started managing me. And that's how the band started.
Speaker 4: That's a that's a hell of a great start, I'll
tell you that's fantastic. That's that's that's a that's an
amazing start. And then did you get signed to Capitol
pretty quickly?
Speaker 5: We actually did a lot of road work. You know.
Don really threw us out on the road and I
asked John Troy from California. I went to University of
Pacific in California. I asked him to come out and
play bass, and he started playing bass as a duo.
And then we found John Curtis through an ad in
a music store and we started playing trio. And Don
really put us out on the college circuit really like
a huge amount of work. We started doing the NEC
conferences and everywhere. We played all the colleges in New
England and he so he really turned us into like
a real road outfit really fast. He just had us
on the road endlessly and we got a reputation kind
of you know, through just really hard work before we
were ever signed. And then uh, you know, there was
we had a strong reputation going from roadwork, and then
we were started seeking out labels, uh, and towards the
early mid seventies, and then you know, we went to
the same thing that all probably all bands went to.
We were rejected by all kinds of people, you know,
one left or another. It's you knows. The game of
rejection was trying to find labels. And then finally a
h there was a legendary recordman named Al Corey was
then the head of Capital, and he was actually an
old Boston guy and he wanted to come to Boston
and he came to Boston saw us and signed us
and so and so we signed with Capital, and uh,
and then the rest was you know. A couple of
weeks later we were Dawn and I were out at
the Brown Derby and Hollywood and Vine and they were
setting us up to go and start recording in Nashville
with Norbert.
Speaker 4: Oh wow, yeah, that's yeah, that's that's fantastic. That's uh, yeah,
that's a great start. How many records did you do
for Capital?
Speaker 5: We did four there was an option on five, and
then and then and then the whole whole kind of industry.
You know, when at that time when we were making
those records, we were really spending a lot of time
and really you know, putting a lot of effort in
the records. And we were spending you know, the budgets
were really high. We just make some pretty expensive records
considering what was going on at that time. And what
happened is the whole industry was very decament at that point.
That was when you know, Fleetwood Mac turned in Tusk,
which was and that was like during that era, and
so the industry was really wild and crazy at that point.
And then you know, as I mentioned, they signed the
Knack and the Knack turned in my Sharona for ten grand,
and all the labels went, oh man, we're we're changing
gears now. And they realized that they could get everybody
to do these records for nothing, and so they just
clean sweep all Warner and Capital and a lot of
labels just did a clean sweep of their rosters and
just kind of you know, started all over again. So
it was like a real like you know, a real
rude awakening in a lot of ways at that period
of time. And then also a Saturday, my fever came
in from the DG's and the whole scene just kind
of went, you know, just went flipped like like a
one eighty degree in terms of what was going on
terms of record and radio. Yeah, so it was a
it was a very you know, it was a very
eye opening period of time to go through, that's for sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you had a you had a great start,
and of course that built the foundation for everything that
you've been able to do since. And and I like
I said very much, so yeah, and I really like
a lot of the new material that you're doing as well.
And we should mention, we should remind people. Of course,
you're going to be at the Rex Theater on September thirteenth,
and of course, for anyone who's never been there, it
is a it is a fantastic place. And this is
this is just you. Correct, there's no opener, it's just
it's just you and your partner.
Speaker 5: And last time, no, the last yeah, the last time
we were in it was just us. I don't I
don't recall that we had no opener last time. Okay,
But the nice thing about it there's really a really
great audience there. I mean, the audience was fantastic the
last couple of times that we've been in there. I mean,
they're just it's a very enthusiastic and and you know,
people really knew this, knew the songs, and so we
love playing there is a great room.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, that's that's excellent. That's excellent. And then what
are your plans for after this run of shows is done?
On this tour? Are you gonna You're gonna do another
album or what? Do you know? What your kind of
long term trajectory.
Speaker 5: You know what I've been doing this, I've been since
I did a record. The last record I did I
did for Sony Red and we did it. We did
I went back when I first went to Nashville. I
told you I came. We came on the tail end
of the drift Away sessions with dbe Gray, and I
walked in at the end of their cutting drift Away,
and the guys are still in the studio and one
of my heroes, Reggie Young was one of my really
one of my favorite guitar players. Bar None was there
in the studio and I kind of made a mental
note at that time, which was this is the seventies,
that I would wanted to do a record with him
so badly all these years, so you know, turned the
clock turns, you know, thirty thirty years forward or so,
and I made a mental note that I wanted to
go back. And I met with a producer named Bill Varndeck,
who passed subsequently since, but he was one of the legendary,
absolutely amazing producers. He's done Alison Krause and you know,
Bellafleck and many many of the greats, and you know
Ralph Stanley. I mean, it's just a long list. But
we got together and did a record, and we wanted
to bring in these these the Muscle Shows guys and
Reggie Young. So I did a record with a lot
of the Muscle Shows guys, Reggie Young and her Memphis
and the real top bench Nashville players, and turned in
a record called Talk, which was I think the best
record I've ever done. Wow, that was the last record
I did, and it didn't it was kind of quiet,
kind of it was didn't really do like Sony didn't
do much.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 5: It was the period of time when everything was changing
from kind of the old record the whole promo routine
to social med So it's a big switch. And since
then I've started really working wanting to put more effort
and just putting singles out so I don't spend so
much time working on a whole record and just kind
of putting things out immediately. Which you've really noticed from
the site is I put singles and videos out like
one by one so that they're immediately there and I
don't have to spend a lot of time waiting to
accrue you know, the energy that you put into a
record and the time it takes to get it out
and the attentions. Man, there's so much shorter now and
a lot of people don't even have you know, they
don't even have CD players in their cars anymore. So
it's it's coming through streaming. So I'm kind of addressing
that the medium has changed to this to a very
much more immediate, you know format. So that's kind of
the way I've been approaching it, is just putting out singles.
Speaker 4: No, that makes sense, and it's something that we talk
about a lot on the show with our guests, is
that we live in a time where you have all
these different options in terms of how you want to
release music, you know, you can do an album, you
can do an EP, you can put out just singles.
And some of our guests they'll talk about putting out
a series of singles that eventually they put together into
an album. But you know, kind of the inversion of
you know, instead of putting out an album and then
releasing singles, you release the singles and then it becomes
an album. But yeah, I mean that's a talk about
a big shift in the industry. Yeah, that's a that's
a really big one.
Speaker 5: Yes, Yes, I mean people really, you know, people are
just kind of getting things, you know, I mean, you
know with obviously you know, the advent of Spotify and
Rhapsody and Pandora and Amazon and all the rest of it.
You know, that's really the way people are are are
receiving most of what they're getting. And it's a you know,
it's it's it's it's also very difficult because there's so
much stuff coming through that you really have to kind
of dig down to find a lot of the things.
You know, like there's there's tons of music that's just
below the surface. It doesn't ever kind of come on
to the YEP. So it's you know, it takes it
takes some effort to find the things that you really love,
but it's it's there. It's just I mean, you know,
it's just there's so much more being leaves now than
ever before. So it's it's definitely an onslaught of media
that's seeing that people are being inundated with no question.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely absolutely if you are just joining us. John
Poussett Dart is with us, and uh, we've been talking
about he's got a show coming up on the thirteenth
at the Rex Theater right here in Manchester. And John, well,
we'll let you go in a moment, but I really
appreciate your time this morning, and it's great to get
to speak with you. And yeah, the Rex Theater is
such a nice venue. Of course, if you're online, you
can go to Rextheater dot org or Palace Theater dot
org if you want to get tickets online or call
six three six six eight five eight eight. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,
And you can see John Poussett Dart And I'm sorry,
what's the name of the gentleman who plays with you again.
Speaker 5: Jim chapter Laine and the people If people know Al Anderson,
Al Anderson is just a treasure of musical one of
the great guitar player in singer Sommers and he plays
also with Al And. Al is just a monster. He's
literally he was botar both NRBQ and n RBQ, the
original NRBQ is was one of the greatest bands up
their Little Feet and Bonnie Ray and some of my
favorite bands bar none the original band. It's changed now,
but but Al was part of it, was one of
the original members. And he's so he works with al
And and myself, and so he's just and he's also
we have a lot of similar friends in Nashville and
spent around so's he's he's just a wonderful musician. Jim chapterline.
Speaker 4: Okay, very cool, very cool. All right, Well, John, we
will let you go, but thank you so much. It
is wonderful to speak with you today. Have a great
show on Friday. I wish I could be there, but
I'm actually on the air Friday nights. But but I
know it's going to be great and we'll keep plugging
it here and spreading the word. And thank you so
much for joining us today.
Speaker 9: Matt.
Speaker 5: It's wonderful talking to you, and thank you for having
me greatly appreciate it. Thank you so.
Speaker 4: Much, anytime, anytime. All right, Thanks John, take care, take care.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 4: That was John Possett Dart and we're gonna play to
close out our conversation. I'm gonna play this track Amnesia.
This is one of the hits from back in the
days of the Johns, the Posset Dart Band. Boy, I
do a radio show, can you believe it? The Pooseet
Dart Band, this track Amnesia. And I decided to play
this one specifically for our friend Tony Petrello, who might
be listening, because last night on Retro Spectrum Radio we
were talking about how John was going to be joining
us this morning, and Tony had mentioned that he particularly
particularly loves this song Amnesia. So let's give this a spin.
Then we'll show some love to our amazing sponsors and
then our guest. We have a great guest coming in.
And plus we'll remind you about that show and the
art show that Jenny is featured in as well. We'll
talk about all of it.
Speaker 1: But here it is.
Speaker 4: This is Amnesia. This is from the Poussett Dart Band.
John Poussett Dart, would you hit me on the.
Speaker 1: Head with your beer?
Speaker 9: Ball something in my chemistry to change.
Speaker 3: The already inside, to forgive.
Speaker 4: My friendly thing I'm permanently.
Speaker 8: To raised when away, try to put the things on.
Speaker 4: The all loving times and weed it out.
Speaker 3: I get to start excuse ears and a hazy picture,
and I hear your.
Speaker 9: Voice inside again the last I love.
Speaker 3: Y, leave me sick, but nonancy.
Speaker 10: My brom.
Speaker 5: That is all y.
Speaker 9: My friends day, don't.
Speaker 4: Lurking me to say.
Speaker 3: Sometimes if you okay, but where I talk, guys, I
can't remember the fast A few minutes of God, the
darks all come up the same answer.
Speaker 4: Boy is found that dark one. There's no lived to go.
Speaker 11: That is all shoot.
Speaker 8: Believe me sick, but nonancy.
Speaker 7: Bom that is so.
Speaker 12: My friend.
Speaker 8: They don't luk at me. See all that is all landing,
basing signaling.
Speaker 7: It's all that so learning.
Speaker 8: I say, look at me says all that so lean.
Speaker 4: Basy sac.
Speaker 5: That it's all ing.
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Speaker 4: Welcome back, everybody. This is Matt Connorton Unleashed and we
are live from the studios of wm NH ninety five
point three FM, Inglorious, Manchester, New Hampshire on Canal Street.
Today is Saturday, September seven, twenty twenty four. We have
a wonderful guest we're going to introduce in just a moment.
I do want to thank again John Poussett Dart for
joining us this morning. That was a that was a
fun conversation. I really like talking with him. And he's
going to be at the Rex Theater on Friday, September
thirteenth at seven thirty pm. So that's a beautiful venue
if you've never been there, and of course you can
go Rextheater dot org or Palacetheater dot org to get
your tickets and evening with the John Poussett Dart Duo
is how they have it listed, and that's going to
be really cool. So, like I said, I really like
talking with him, and also I mentioned I made reference
to it earlier. Jenny's artwork is being shown at the
Mosaic Art Collective, another great place right here in Manchester
on Hanover Street, and the reception is on one week
from today, Saturday the fourteenth, from four to eight pm,
sixty six Hanover Street, a sweet two one. That's a
beautiful building if you haven't been in there, the Daily
Mirror building. But you go in, you just go up
to the second floor and you can't miss it. The
event is the Mosaic Art Collective proudly presents our annual
Full Circle the Speed of Light. That's the name of
the venue. They are celebrating their birthday two years now
that they've been there, So opening and reception, Opening reception,
birthday celebration Saturday, September fourteenth from four to eight pm.
And Jenny and I will be going, of course because
her art is being shown there and it's a wonderful place,
so we'd probably go anyway. But uh, the painting that
was selected for the show, it's it's a personal favorite
of mine, really really cool, So please join us for
that as well, And if you are just joining us
on Saturday morning, if you're listening live, of course, the
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So there are many ways to interact with the show
on this Saturday morning. But joining us now live in studio,
we have Terry Almquist from Wellness Hot Yoga. Welcome Terry.
Speaker 9: Not nice to be with you.
Speaker 4: I've been I've been very excited to get you on
the show because, as I've been telling people, and I
was telling Jenny about this, You've got a pretty fascinating
backstory and I want to get into all of that.
But we should tell people up front too. So you're
from Wellness Hot Yoga, which.
Speaker 9: Is in April, Yeah, April, Massachusetts.
Speaker 4: And for our local listeners in Manchester, it's not far.
You know, you say Massachusetts, people think, wait, that's in
another state, but it's right over the border. So I
mean to get here, what did it take you a
half hour?
Speaker 9: Uh? Yeah, like thirty minutes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's easy, you know, just a straight shot
really on ninety three, So it's a wonderful place. And
how long have you been there?
Speaker 9: We've been in that location for two years, so two
years we were in North andover started over there. In
two thousand and eight, I opened a yoga studio and
it was just yoga back then, and then of course
COVID hit yeah, and like a lot of small businesses,
it was devastating, and I ended up having to close
that business and thought that I wasn't sure I was
even going to reopen. And when I decided to reopen,
my first thought was I was going to open a
very small space and just teach, you know, one or
two classes a week, and that would be what I
wanted to do. And then this space became available that
had a beautiful locker rooms and asauna already, and I
saw the vision when I looked at the space of
opening a wellness center. So more than just yoga were
available for all these other modalities of healing. And that's
really the reason I opened the studio in the first place,
because I think that the body is self healing and
that we have lots of tools we could use, and
the more tools we have available to us to be healthy,
better off we're.
Speaker 5: Going to be.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely so when COVID hit, so so there was
a there was a point where you didn't know if
you were going to even continue.
Speaker 9: Yeah, there was a point where I knew I'd always
teach yoga, but I didn't know if I wanted to
reopen a studio or how that was going to work out,
mainly because like a lot of small businesses, it was
financially devastating. And I've been very lucky that it worked
out that I've had people interested investing in a way
that allowed me to reopen.
Speaker 4: Did did you at any point? You know, because a
lot of people kind of took their business is online
and ways that at that time, in ways that they
hadn't previously considered, including myself, you know, because I I'm
a hypnotherapist and I had always kind of resisted doing
sessions with clients online. I don't know why, looking back,
I don't know why, because I've always been one to
really embrace all the technology that's available. But I was
late to the party on that and I kind of
you know, and then COVID. Yeah, so terrible. But we
have to always say, we have to find those silver
linings where we can, right And and one of the
silver linings. Is it kind of forced a lot of people.
You know, we interview a lot of musicians on the show,
and they talk about it too, how it forces them
to be more creative, or it did force them to
be more creative and find ways to kind of work around,
you know, ways that they were used to creating music
with other people and playing shows and whatnot. And so
I found myself finally just sort of giving in and saying, Okay,
I guess I can see clients online. Turns it works
pretty well, and people are used to it anyway, especially
with you know, different therapies. People use services like doxy
and you know, to do this to interact. So it
turned out to be a good thing, a positive thing,
learning to do that. But in your case, and I
have seen people who kind of do yoga classes online.
But is that something you considered or maybe you did
implement some of that.
Speaker 9: Yeah, we did. We were in a really interesting position
because not only do I own a yoga studio, I
have been a yoga teacher for now and almost twenty years,
but then you know, over a decade, and I've mentored
teachers from all over the world. So I've written a
book on teaching yoga for the style of yoga that
I teach, which is called Bickram Yoga. I've written a
book on teaching, I've mentored teachers. I travel around the
world to do seminars and webinars, and one of the
things I do is a monthly webinar and I've done
it on Zoom and I've done that since about two
thousand and five. Sorry, that's the wrong date. Fifteen, Okay,
about twenty fifteen. I started doing these monthly webinars for teachers.
So I already had all the Zoom stuff set up
to do that. And then when the first day we
were closed from the yoga studio, we had morning classes
and closed and our evening classes were online. And what
we did is because my manager and I have been
doing these Zoom things for ages, we actually put it
out to my larger worldwide community and said, listen, you
can figure out how to do this too, but let
your students know that they can hinde practicing with us,
and we will help you set up your own stuff
and then they'll transition back to practicing with you. Just
to keep these businesses going. Of course, we all thought
it was going to be you know, a couple of
weeks or right what is started. Remember, So our thought
process was, you know, we'll teach them classes online. It'll
be fine. The style of yoga I teach, I don't
actually have to do the class when I'm teaching it.
I just stand and I kind of tell people the
directions how to do it.
Speaker 4: Oh okay.
Speaker 9: So I was just leading through a home practice and
actually the first Saturday that we were over, my Saturday
classes are always busy. I remember having like four screens
of zoom people. I had like seventy something people on
line from all over the world taking classes.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 9: And we continued that. We also expanded out to this
more idea of also mental health wellness, so we did
a lot of community events online. So we did game playing.
That One of the most fun things we figured out
how to do is how to do scavenger hunts in
your own house. So we would say, like find an
item and you have to you know, do you have
a Harry Potter book and you've run and you go
get the book and you bring it back, you know,
And that was fun. We had people from Australia and
Europe and I remember women from Hawaii and we still
have online classes, so all of our classes, even if
people aren't local, all of our classes are audio streams
through the studio. And people still practice online because the
sad thing that happened to during COVID is a lot
of the studios that closed have never reopened, so those
students don't have a place to practice anymore. But we've
given them a place to practice with us, and we
think of them not just as students online but also
part of our unity. Yeah, so we try to include
them and a lot of things that we do by
enabling to join online.
Speaker 4: Yeah no, that's that's amazing, all right. So let's let's
get to this because you so when you and I
first met you, you kind of told me your whole
history of of how you got here. And one of
the things I noticed, and I think I even said
this to you that day, it seems like like people
who you know, if you want to use the term healer,
people who are healers. So many of us we get
to where we're able to help others because we started
out needing, you know, not just necessarily wanting, but really
needing a way to help ourselves.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 4: That's that's how I got started as a hypnotherapist. Was
you know, I started out I needed to help myself
ad you know, tremendous social anxiety and a lot of
things overcome that I felt were holding me back. So
I learned self hypnosis and then I started, you know,
and when friends would find out what I was doing,
they would say, oh, can you hypnotize me? Turned out
I was good at it. Then I went and got certified,
and now I do it professionally. That's kind of the
cliff notes version of my story. But I'm interested in
sharing your story because you yours is very emblematic of
that too, where you started out needing to find solutions
for yourself and that put you on this path that
you're still on today.
Speaker 9: So absolutely, I tell people all the time the reason
I opened to yoga studio is because I honestly believe
no one should live in pain, and whether that pain
is physical or spiritual, emotionally that the body is self healing.
But so in the nineties, I worked in the mental
health field, and I worked in a lot of lock
psychiatric facilities, Okay, and in one of those facilities, unfortunately
I got injured. I had a client who was going
off of medication and had become very psychotic. Oh wow,
ended up pulling me over backwards and landing on top
of me, and in the process of trying to get
them off and sort of doing that, I thought I
was absolutely fine. After the incident, they kept saying you
want to go to the emergency room, and said, no,
I'm good. And the next morning when I woke up,
I had really struggled to get out of bed, that
my legs didn't want to work, and I was a
single mom with two young kids, which was very frightening.
So I go to the emergency room and what had
happened was seven of the discs in my neck had
herniated in the process, and so I was put a
neck brace. Told well, this for a couple of weeks,
we'll do some physical therapy. You'll be fine. Unfortunately, my neck,
like a lot of people, when it healed, healed very frozen,
and that frozen neck after the even after they took
the neck brace off, I couldn't move. So there was
physical therapy and that didn't really help. And then I
went to see some neurologists and they suggested that I
have surgery at some point to probably remove the disc
from my neck and put a rod in my spine
to hold my wo to hold my head up. Over
the course of several years, I was collapsing forward. But
I had a wonderful neurologist at Math General who said
to me, go find anything else that you can do.
Try chiropractic, try massage, try anything, and then when you
you know, when you can't lift your head up anymore,
when you're so that, we'll do the surgery. But put
it off as long as possible because there was a
chance of being a quadriplegic. Any kind of massive surgery
to your spine, especially your neck, can be problematic. Yeah,
so he said, get your youngest out of school and
then come talk to me again. So my daughter was
getting older and I was at a place where I
thought I'm going to have to do the surgery. I
had lived with a headache for many, many years and
unable to move, and so my sister said to me,
come take this yoga class I'm taking. And I told
her I've tried yoga. You know, with the ability to
move my head and stuff, yoga is really hard. I
can't do it. She said, try this class with me.
It's very different. So I went to the class, and
at that time I had been in pain for over
a decade. Oh, I was a packa day smoker. So
people see me now and they think, you know, I
don't want to say I'm very zen, but I'm that
kind of I'm the yoga teacher, you know. I try
to live a healthy lifestyle. All of that. That was
not where I started.
Speaker 4: Yeah, can I just ask you to to interject when
you talk about being in pain for over a decade?
My god, what was it?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 4: How severe.
Speaker 9: You learn to function? People who live in chronic pain
learn to function in chronic pain. So I was working
and functioning. I had trained to be a sign language
interpreter and actually couldn't full time do that job because
food's holding your arms up for long periods of time,
which was not possible. So I got a job at
a college that was teaching sign language interpreting, so I
was able to still be in my field, but not
having to put that strain on my body.
Speaker 4: But you were in chronic pain because.
Speaker 9: A chronic pain I had, I quite literally had a
headache for ten years. Wow, I used to say to
people who were I was trying everything chiropractic and massage,
and I always used to joke that if I could
find someone who could get rid of my headache, I
was going to give them a million dollars. I didn't
have a million dollars, but acupuncture was something that I found.
It did help with the pain, which was really helpful.
I've tried so I've tried all these other modalities of healing,
and in the beginning, chiropractic wasn't helpful for me. Later on,
as I got better doing yoga, chiropractic has become an
important part of what I do to keep myself well.
So sometimes you try something in a moment and it
didn't work, that doesn't mean you shouldn't try it again.
It could work later. So my sister took me to
this yoga class, and I remember going into my first
class and the teacher said, you must be Kathy's sister.
And I said, how did you know? And she said,
because she told me you look like a turtle. My
head had hutted so far forward because I couldn't really
hold it up that I actually did sort of look
like a turtle. And she said, don't worry, I collect
turtles and all over her yoga studio with these little
turtle statues. Oh really, I really went in there. Like
I said, it's a packadet smoker. Drank a bottle of
wine at night to try to get to sleep because
I didn't want to take painkillers. I was not in
good physical shape. And it was a ninety minute hot class,
and ten minutes in I thought, how do I get
out of here and go have a cigarette? Yeah, but
the teacher was great, and she had been teaching for
a long time and she's still teaching. Diane teachers at
Yoga for You. She own set studio down in deada
Mass and we got to a posture where you had
to roll forward and put your head down on the floor.
And I said, She said put your head on the
floor and I said no. And she said put your
head on the floor and I said no. She said
do you trust me? And I said yeah. She goes,
put your head on the floor. I put my head
on the floor and we don't do any real inversions,
but it's just rolling forward touching the floor.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 9: I felt something move in my neck that hadn't moved
in all of those years. Really, and in that moment,
I had that epiphany, and I think this happens to
a lot of people who are in the wellness industry.
I had the epiphany that I was going to do
this yoga for the rest of my life, and I
was going to learn to teach the sugar. Yeah, and
so I started. I live in Haveral, that studio was
in West Roxbury, and I would go every day to yoga, yeah,
to try to heal my own body. And I progressively
got much better, and a year later went to be
a teacher.
Speaker 4: Wow, when you said you felt something move in that moment,
you felt something move, like a.
Speaker 9: In a good way, and yeah, well, like something stretched.
Nothing had moved in my neck. Everything was starch. That's
what it happened, with the neck brace on everything. And
now I think they do less of that when people
have neck injuries. Very rarely do you see people walking
around with big collars anymore. Yeah, that's true, because I
think they know now moving it even a little is
better than making it immobile. What happened was I just
froze all of that scar tissue just froze up in
my neck and so that's what made me lose motion. Okay,
but something stretched in the back of my neck. That
hadn't moved and I'm talking about this was just a
tiny movement. But I had that idea of this, it
can fix it, this is going to fix it, and
so I just have to do this for the rest
of my life. And I started. I dedicated myself to going,
still working at the college, and a year later, I
left my job at the college and went off to
teacher training, which at the time was in LA And
it was nine weeks. I left my family for a
full nine weeks and it's over six hundred hours of training.
Oh wow, to be a hot yoga teacher in the
style that I teach, the pic of yoga. And came
back and there was no studio in the area. Still
driving miles to teach and take yoga and then open
my studio in North Andover.
Speaker 4: Wow, So you said, so to get to get to
be Are you paying free now.
Speaker 9: Or I am paining free now? It was funny I
last month I didn't take as much yoga as I
normally take, and I said to somebody boy, like my
neck feels like a little cliquie. If I go more
than four days without a yoga class practicing, I can
feel like it's well it's not pain like I could
feel that it's still so it's not a panacea. I
didn't do a couple of yoga classes and don't need
to ever go back for the rest of my life.
I really honestly believe that I have to do this
for the rest of my life to stay pain free
and mobile. And I'm okay with that. And to be honest,
I came back a week ago from being on vacation
and not practicing for almost ten days, and so my
neck was really stiff and really like bugging me. And
then I've taken four classes in four days and it
was fine. It's back to where it was before. Wow,
that's great, it comes back.
Speaker 4: And what about So you mentioned too while you were
still in pain, so you were a packa day smoker. Yeah,
how did you quit?
Speaker 7: Did you?
Speaker 9: That's three months of yoga practicing almost every day. My
first month I practiced yoga, I did over thirty classes
in thirty days. So I was driving so far that
I would stay at the studio and take two classes
back to back. What was really fascinating was people are
very frightened of the idea of especially if you live
in pain. I think ninety minutes in a hot yoga room.
Doing yoga sounds so overwhelming you think like I need
to start with maybe a thirty minute class or something.
But the way this yoga is designed is so that
you are slowly warming yourself up and the heat helps.
So what I discovered was if I did a ninety
minute class, at the end of class, I started feeling like,
oh wait, I feel mobile enough now that I could
actually do a class. So I started staying and doing
two classes back to back because the first class was
just really all warming up for me, and then the
second class. The way the class is designed, the first
almost well it's the ninety minut class, so almost the
first hour is what we consider the warm up, so
it's and then you do yoga, which it's done on
the floor, so you spend all this time warming up slowly.
So I would do a whole class as a warm up,
then do the warm up of the next class, and
then do the yoga. And that's what really changed everything
was to be able to I'm not advising that everybody
do two classes, but with a severe injury, that was
the thing that worked for me and people. But like
I said, people are intimidated with this idea of a
ninety minute yoga class in the heat. That's going to
be really hard because I'm injured, I'm sick and whatever.
But the way the class is designed, it's therapeutic. So
you do the little bit that you can do, and
then over time, as your body improves, you do more
and more and more.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, now, so what am I?
Speaker 9: Oh you asked about quitting smoking. Oh, you got three
months into the practice. I had taken a class and
then I took a second class. I used to go between.
This is a terrible thing to admit. I used to
go between the two classes. There's a break, I would
go outside, have a cigarette, come back in and take
the second class. I was quite literally at the end
of two classes, sucking wind, laying on the floor, struggling
to catch my breath, and I realized, either I had
to stop coming to yoga or I had to stop smoking. Wow,
these two needed to go. I smoked. It was my
daughter's birthday. As a matter of fact, I smoked my
last cigarette, drove home, smoked a cigarette on my ride home.
Never bought another pack of cigarettes. Yeah, and it was fine.
I made the yoga and the replacement the other thing
I think too, that three months was enough time for
me to start to emotionally love myself again. And when
you love somebody, you don't want them to smoke. When
you love somebody, you don't want them to do these
things that aren't good for themselves. I think that journey
for a lot of people, and I've watched it over
the last twenty years, watching the journey of people fall
in love with themselves and stop doing those things that
are harming themselves and easily not struggling to do it,
making those habit changes because they love who they are,
they love the way they feel, and so it makes
it easy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, it's funny you're talking about like smoking
between classes. It reminds me of a I remember in
high school, like going to going to the gym with
friends to lift weights and you seeing people like not
a lot if every once in a while, you know,
you might see somebody they get done doing a set
and then they go outside and they smoke a cigarette.
And I remember talking with my friends and about this
and saying, you know, to me that that looks like
it's like driving your car over a cliff but deciding intentionally,
but deciding to put your seat belt on right before
you do it. It's like, you know, you either care
about your health or you don't, and but you know,
you obviously got to a point where you had to
make that choice. And and I think, unfortunately, I think
for most people it's not it's not stark enough. I
think people, you know, I see, that's the number one
I think that I see people for for hypnosis is
to quit smoking. And I think for most people it's
not a stark choice because they're not they're not staring
it in the face. The problem. You were staring it
right in the face because you got to that point
where I either got to do yoga, which is helping
me tremendously, or I can keep smoking, but I can't
do both. Whereas most people it's like, Okay, well I'm
doing this terrible thing. It's going to ruin my health eventually,
but today I'm okay. Today, I don't Right today, I
don't have lung cancer. Today, I don't have emphysema. You know,
today I don't have heart disease that I know of.
Right as far as I know, today's fine. So I'll
just I'll keep smoking, and then tomorrow comes and it's like, yeah.
Speaker 9: It's also addictive. It's also that physical addiction to it
as well, and I think being in the yoga room
sweating and all of that helped with me. I started
playing even before I quit. I started playing these games
of you know, I'm going to wait till I I
would drive from the yogust yeago, I wait till I
get to this point before I have a cigarette. I'll
wait till I this I'll wait till I get in
my car in the morning, instead of having a cigarette
the morning when I get up. So it started sort
of playing these games to put off how much I
was smoking. But you know, but but I hadn't really
gone less than I was still a packa day smoker. Yeah,
And it was funny because I was somebody I knew
I was an addict. I knew I was an addict
when I was quite young. I started smoking at thirteen.
Speaker 4: Most people people do that. That's that's probably average. Yes,
my experience.
Speaker 9: I always think if we could keep kids from smoking
until after high school, then they're not going to be
that many smokers because you have to get addicted young.
And so it was. It was an addiction for me.
But it was also a mental addiction. So I started
playing that game and started breaking that. But the sweating
they getting in there doing something hard and knowing that
I could do something hard, Yeah, and that made it
easier to quit smoking, because in my head that was going.
Speaker 4: To be hard, right.
Speaker 9: And there's never really been a time. There's only once
that i've I've had the urged cigarette, which was in
a stupid moment when my daughter actually had been diagnosed
with cancer. It was her first treatment at the hospital
and I had stepped outside just to like get to marriage.
Somebody was smoking and I thought, and I thought, sitting
outside of cancer center cigarette. But it's that sort of
like it's still that somewhere in my head. It's still
that crutch, sure, you know, somewhere, So I don't think
it ever goes away. But you have all these coping techniques.
And that's what all the wellness stuff that I offer is.
It's just tools. And even about the book I wrote
is called The Toolbox, Tools for Teaching Bickram Yoga. It's
just tools you're putting in your toolbox. And I tell people,
if you smoke, it's okay, come to yoga anyway. The
smoking doesn't get in the way of the yoga. The
yoga might get in the way.
Speaker 4: Of your smoking, right, which is a good thing.
Speaker 9: Which is a good thing. Yeah, but it's just another
tool to put in your toolbox. So letting go of
the blaming yourself and thinking I can't because I'm this,
I can't be this. We are unique, each, unique and
open human beings that can be lots of things at once, right,
not to open our mind to it. You can be
a smoker and someone who does yoga, right, right, that's
perfectly okay.
Speaker 4: Well, the thing with smoking too is and you know, smokers,
a lot of smokers in my experience don't like to
hear this because it takes away some of the excuses.
But it's it's the addiction part of it. Obviously, the
physical addiction is real, Nickoteen is highly addictive, But the
psychological addiction is what's really the big problem because the
physical addiction works itself out of you in a relatively
short period of time. Oh yeah, you know, doing something
like yoga where you're sweating, sweating out those toxins and everything.
The physical addiction you can get pai if you can
just get past that, that takes days that part of it.
It's the psychological.
Speaker 9: That moment of wanting a cigarette was I probably hadn't
spoken twelve or fifteen years. It wasn't a physical addiction exactly.
Speaker 4: It was that something in your brain.
Speaker 9: It was something in your brain when like, this is
how we relieve stress, this is how we There's still
that thing, but it's just that it's that idea of
in that moment of stress, also searching outside of yourself
for the answer as opposed to looking. And this must
be some of the stuff you teach in hypnosis. When
you have that anxiety, when you have that urge to smoke,
you can't go outside yourself for the answer. It's not there.
That's but all those