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Speaker 4: Welcome back everybody. This is Matt Connorton, unleashed we are

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live from the studios of w M and H on

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this Saturday morning. You might be hearing Amnesia by John

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Poussett Dart and we have him, I believe on the

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phone with us.

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Speaker 5: John, is that you, Hey man, how are you doing?

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Speaker 4: Good? Good, Welcome to the show. It's great to speak

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with you. I I kind of went down the rabbit

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hole last night with your music. Obviously, I've always been

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aware of you, but it's been a long time since

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I listened to any any of your uh well, first

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of all, since any Posset Dart band. Uh So that

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was fun kind of going back and listening to a

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lot of that stuff. And I also listen to some

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of your more recent solo material. And I have to say,

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I really really love a lot of what you're doing.

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And I'm excited that you're coming to Manchester on the

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thirteenth to play at the Rex Theater.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Well, the Rex is a really nice room. We love

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coming back there.

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Speaker 4: Have you played there quite a bit over the years.

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Speaker 5: We have played, Yes, we have, we have. And the

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new end it's kind of you know, it's gone to

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a couple of changes and they've really fixed it up

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nice now and it's just a really really great listening room.

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I mean, people really and the audiences are really good

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and the whole staff who run it are really great folks.

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So's it's excellent. We yes, we love coming there.

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Speaker 4: Outstanding. Now are you doing? How big of a tour

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is this? Are you doing quite a few dates?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, this September. We're jumping around quite a bit all

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through September. It gets quiets down after September, but we're

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all over We're doing you know, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Maine, Connecticut.

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We're moving around quite a bit this month, so that's good.

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And it's myself and Jim Chaplain, who's I've been playing

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with now for twenty five years, and we're doing I've

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been really focusing on kind of coming back to the

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root of the song's duo, which I really like and

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it really brings in people close to to the songs

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and the music. So we're really joying working, you know,

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in this very kind of intimate environment. So it's really great.

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And Jim and I have been playing together for a

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long time, so it's a very we're very tight. It's

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like he's a brother, you know.

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Speaker 4: Excellent. Now, Jim was not a member of Who's That

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Dart Band?

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Speaker 5: Correct, not the original band, but he's been a member

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of the band for twenty five years because the band

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original band broke up quite quite a way's back. But

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Jim and I have been playing together now for over

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twenty five years, and in the band when we were

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working with the band. But these days we've been, as

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I mentioned, we're focusing more on just doing a I've

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been focusing on the acoustic aspect of it just because

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I really enjoy it. But Jim has been is well known.

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n RBQ and the old but he plays with Al Anderson,

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who's like one of my favorite guitar players and songwriters,

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and so we've known each other for a long long time.

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Speaker 4: So now on this tour, is it just the two

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of you? You're just doing it as a duo? Yeah, okay, okay,

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now you you said so you prefer that?

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Speaker 4: I mean, is he playing with you the entire set?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, we do a duo with the whole show

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Speaker 4: Oh very good?

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Speaker 5: So so you know, I and allows me to kind

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of really open up and carry down the root of

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the songs and then and we we trade off. It's

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worked out together. But but it's it's just, uh, it's

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just kind of nice feel, and it brings the songs

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very uh, you know, you really get the core of

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what it brings. And it also I find uh, you know,

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having done both, I like enjoy the band, but when

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you're playing with the band, it kind of pushes it.

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it really allows an intimacy. It allows the audience to

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the songs up very in a very kind of warm way.

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Speaker 4: Do you ever play with a full band at this

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point or do you always do? I mean, since boos

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had Dart band broke up, how long was that band together?

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the early eighties, and then the industry really kind of

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we left Capital and we've done We've got a long

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tour and then disbanded after this very long tour across

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the country, and the whole nature of radio and record

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really went to a shift. It was kind of during

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the period when the disco and techno stuff really hit

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the country, yep. And and when we were with Capital

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at that point, there was a band called the Nac

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that turned in my Sharona, and the labels really just

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changed their whole emphasis and direction and so a lot

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of rosters really shifted around that period of time, and

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the nineties when when the female artists kind of came

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really kind of reconnecting. And it was because it was

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was a kind of a bizarre period of time musically.

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go through something like that where they've been on a

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major label and then you know, it kind of like

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you said, there's a shift, right, and then they get

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kind of at the end of it, they're kind of

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exhausted by it all, and they and they step away entirely,

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and it sounds like, so did you take a break.

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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, we did. I mean the whole there was

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to a different area, and then I moved from I

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the band broke up, and I started doing a lot

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of session work, and so I got involved with singing

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and doing a lot of session work in the city,

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kind of in a different name. It was more more

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revolving around television and different things that were and writing

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for different venues rather than just record and so I

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got really involved in that through the eighties, which was

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great because I worked with a ton of people and

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lot of different bands then, but there were different players.

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it was it was it wasn't the original band, but

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the original band, all the original guys, Troy and Curtis

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and I are all in touch, like we speak to

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each other regularly, and we're all still you know, everybody's

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kind of gone off in different directions as happens. Yeah,

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because really, when you were with a band like we were,

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we were a family. I mean, it's like being married.

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You know, it's like a marriage, you know, and when

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the marriage breaks up, you know, you everybody kind of

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goes off in different directions. But we're still very very

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close and I love those guys yearly, and we stayed

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very much in touch.

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Speaker 4: That's really good to hear, because, as you know, so

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often that's not the outcome. You know, very very often

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it's it's, you know, people don't talk to each other anymore,

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there's there's some sort of weird grudge between musicians who've

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Speaker 5: That wasn't the case. Yeah, that wasn't the case with

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you know, we broke the top forty and then it didn't.

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choice of singles and the directions of the labels you know,

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of what had happened on that level. Because the record

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business is such a wacky business. People have no idea

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it was like really a different animal, you know.

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during the nineties when you started really kind of focusing

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on your solo career and playing out and all of that.

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of her early stuff and he's a really good old

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while and we were very close and I was playing

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the Loans, I was I was doing the Loans start. Actually,

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one night with the old Loans stared thirteenth and Fifth,

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which is a great room, and they run an ad

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and there was a record guy in Nashville at that

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he saw the ad and he called me up in

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New York said what are you doing in New York?

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that's where we originally recorded the early records, all in Nashville,

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and he said, watch you come down. I'll set you

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what we can put together and so he basically contacted

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me out of the blue and set me up with

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all of the most wonderful writers in Nashville. And so

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I went down and wrote for two weeks and then

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back into the Nashville fold. And so then I started

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working on solo things from there on, and that's where

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my original solos, a lot of the first solo things

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stuff from that era was cut at the Old Quad

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any trepidation, right, because I know a lot of people,

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you know, sitting around writing writing songs with people in Nashville, Tennessee.

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first place we went when we first signed Capitol. They

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sent us to Nashville with Norvid Putnam and Norvid Putnam

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and David Briggs and Kenny Butchery who we did the

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first records with were the last Elvis Presley manned oh wow.

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They were with Presley. So we were working with the

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Presley crew. Wow. Which was really amazing as a green

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kid to be in the studio with those guys because

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they were just phenomenal. And so we I was very

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lucky to kind of to bump into like some of

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the most veteran players at the very beginning, and we

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were and we were in Quad, which is one of

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the studios which was had Dylan worked in, Joan Baez,

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Dobie Gray, you know, Dan Fogelberg, you name it, Jesse

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and so so it was we Yeah, so I

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was We were very fortunate to really land in with

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a really good crew and nor what it was an

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amazing musician and producer.

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Speaker 5: So we were very very fortunate to be in the

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good graces of some really wonderful people who you know,

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was a world class education for me and in every way.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. Now the stuff that you

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do now on tour, do you do a lot of

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the original material who sat Dart band? Or is it

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I imagine you mixed in because you've been prolific, You've

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recorded a lot both with the band and since then

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as well.

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Speaker 5: Yes, so so yes, So basically I make a good

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a lot of the early material, through the early records,

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through the capital of years, and then we move on

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through the newer things. So it's a real you know,

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it's quite a wide swath of material, you know, that

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goes back to the beginning for the songs that people

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really like from that period, and then newer things. And

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also a couple of very discreet covers here. I try

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and pick songs that I really love to play by,

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you know, by really great writers here and there. So

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it's it's a real wide array of things. And and

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ground guitar wise, and Jim is just an amazing musician.

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you know, we're very close with each other and kind

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of it's there's a lot of really nice chemistry involved.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, are you by the way, are you from here? Originally?

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Speaker 5: I'm actually from New York.

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Speaker 7: I was, I was.

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Speaker 5: I was born in New York and raised in New York,

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and I moved I went to Boston when I first

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met I first. The reason how I wound up in

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Boston is I had my grandparents lived in Nantucket and

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I used to go up there a bit, and when

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I was in the fifties, in the late fifties and

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early sixties, and they One night, I had a friend

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who got me to sit down and do an audition

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in front of John Hammond who was playing the Chicken Box,

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the club out in Nantucket, and John asked me to

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stay on and play with him for three nights. And

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so I opened for John Hammond at the Chicken Box

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and one night Don Law, who was a promoter in Boston,

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ye very familiar there because he and John Hammon's father.

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John Law's father and John Hammond's father were both talent

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scouts who had founded all kinds of you know, legendary

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in the music business. Yeah, and Don saw the show

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and said, what are you doing? I want you to

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come to ball And I went to Boston and he

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started managing me. And that's how the band started.

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Speaker 4: That's a that's a hell of a great start, I'll

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tell you that's fantastic. That's that's that's a that's an

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amazing start. And then did you get signed to Capitol

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pretty quickly?

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Speaker 5: We actually did a lot of road work. You know.

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Don really threw us out on the road and I

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asked John Troy from California. I went to University of

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Pacific in California. I asked him to come out and

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play bass, and he started playing bass as a duo.

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And then we found John Curtis through an ad in

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a music store and we started playing trio. And Don

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really put us out on the college circuit really like

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a huge amount of work. We started doing the NEC

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conferences and everywhere. We played all the colleges in New

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England and he so he really turned us into like

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a real road outfit really fast. He just had us

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on the road endlessly and we got a reputation kind

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of you know, through just really hard work before we

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were ever signed. And then uh, you know, there was

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we had a strong reputation going from roadwork, and then

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we were started seeking out labels, uh, and towards the

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early mid seventies, and then you know, we went to

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the same thing that all probably all bands went to.

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We were rejected by all kinds of people, you know,

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one left or another. It's you knows. The game of

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rejection was trying to find labels. And then finally a

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h there was a legendary recordman named Al Corey was

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then the head of Capital, and he was actually an

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old Boston guy and he wanted to come to Boston

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and he came to Boston saw us and signed us

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and so and so we signed with Capital, and uh,

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and then the rest was you know. A couple of

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weeks later we were Dawn and I were out at

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the Brown Derby and Hollywood and Vine and they were

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setting us up to go and start recording in Nashville

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with Norbert.

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Speaker 4: Oh wow, yeah, that's yeah, that's that's fantastic. That's uh, yeah,

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that's a great start. How many records did you do

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for Capital?

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Speaker 5: We did four there was an option on five, and

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then and then and then the whole whole kind of industry.

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those records, we were really spending a lot of time

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and really you know, putting a lot of effort in

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the records. And we were spending you know, the budgets

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were really high. We just make some pretty expensive records

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considering what was going on at that time. And what

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happened is the whole industry was very decament at that point.

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which was and that was like during that era, and

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so the industry was really wild and crazy at that point.

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And then you know, as I mentioned, they signed the

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Knack and the Knack turned in my Sharona for ten grand,

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and all the labels went, oh man, we're we're changing

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gears now. And they realized that they could get everybody

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to do these records for nothing, and so they just

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clean sweep all Warner and Capital and a lot of

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labels just did a clean sweep of their rosters and

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just kind of you know, started all over again. So

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it was like a real like you know, a real

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rude awakening in a lot of ways at that period

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of time. And then also a Saturday, my fever came

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in from the DG's and the whole scene just kind

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of went, you know, just went flipped like like a

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one eighty degree in terms of what was going on

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terms of record and radio. Yeah, so it was a

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it was a very you know, it was a very

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eye opening period of time to go through, that's for sure.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but you had a you had a great start,

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and of course that built the foundation for everything that

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you've been able to do since. And and I like

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I said very much, so yeah, and I really like

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a lot of the new material that you're doing as well.

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And we should mention, we should remind people. Of course,

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you're going to be at the Rex Theater on September thirteenth,

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and of course, for anyone who's never been there, it

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is a it is a fantastic place. And this is

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this is just you. Correct, there's no opener, it's just

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it's just you and your partner.

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Speaker 5: And last time, no, the last yeah, the last time

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we were in it was just us. I don't I

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don't recall that we had no opener last time. Okay,

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But the nice thing about it there's really a really

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great audience there. I mean, the audience was fantastic the

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last couple of times that we've been in there. I mean,

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they're just it's a very enthusiastic and and you know,

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people really knew this, knew the songs, and so we

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love playing there is a great room.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, that's that's excellent. That's excellent. And then what

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are your plans for after this run of shows is done?

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On this tour? Are you gonna You're gonna do another

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album or what? Do you know? What your kind of

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long term trajectory.

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Speaker 5: You know what I've been doing this, I've been since

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I did a record. The last record I did I

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did for Sony Red and we did it. We did

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I went back when I first went to Nashville. I

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told you I came. We came on the tail end

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of the drift Away sessions with dbe Gray, and I

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walked in at the end of their cutting drift Away,

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and the guys are still in the studio and one

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of my heroes, Reggie Young was one of my really

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one of my favorite guitar players. Bar None was there

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in the studio and I kind of made a mental

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note at that time, which was this is the seventies,

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that I would wanted to do a record with him

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so badly all these years, so you know, turned the

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clock turns, you know, thirty thirty years forward or so,

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and I made a mental note that I wanted to

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go back. And I met with a producer named Bill Varndeck,

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who passed subsequently since, but he was one of the legendary,

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absolutely amazing producers. He's done Alison Krause and you know,

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Bellafleck and many many of the greats, and you know

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Ralph Stanley. I mean, it's just a long list. But

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we got together and did a record, and we wanted

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to bring in these these the Muscle Shows guys and

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Reggie Young. So I did a record with a lot

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of the Muscle Shows guys, Reggie Young and her Memphis

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and the real top bench Nashville players, and turned in

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a record called Talk, which was I think the best

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record I've ever done. Wow, that was the last record

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I did, and it didn't it was kind of quiet,

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kind of it was didn't really do like Sony didn't

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do much.

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 5: It was the period of time when everything was changing

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from kind of the old record the whole promo routine

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to social med So it's a big switch. And since

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then I've started really working wanting to put more effort

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and just putting singles out so I don't spend so

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much time working on a whole record and just kind

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of putting things out immediately. Which you've really noticed from

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the site is I put singles and videos out like

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one by one so that they're immediately there and I

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don't have to spend a lot of time waiting to

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accrue you know, the energy that you put into a

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record and the time it takes to get it out

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and the attentions. Man, there's so much shorter now and

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a lot of people don't even have you know, they

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don't even have CD players in their cars anymore. So

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it's it's coming through streaming. So I'm kind of addressing

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that the medium has changed to this to a very

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much more immediate, you know format. So that's kind of

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the way I've been approaching it, is just putting out singles.

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Speaker 4: No, that makes sense, and it's something that we talk

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about a lot on the show with our guests, is

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that we live in a time where you have all

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these different options in terms of how you want to

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release music, you know, you can do an album, you

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can do an EP, you can put out just singles.

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And some of our guests they'll talk about putting out

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a series of singles that eventually they put together into

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an album. But you know, kind of the inversion of

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you know, instead of putting out an album and then

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releasing singles, you release the singles and then it becomes

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an album. But yeah, I mean that's a talk about

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a big shift in the industry. Yeah, that's a that's

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a really big one.

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Speaker 5: Yes, Yes, I mean people really, you know, people are

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just kind of getting things, you know, I mean, you

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know with obviously you know, the advent of Spotify and

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Rhapsody and Pandora and Amazon and all the rest of it.

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You know, that's really the way people are are are

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receiving most of what they're getting. And it's a you know,

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it's it's it's it's also very difficult because there's so

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much stuff coming through that you really have to kind

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of dig down to find a lot of the things.

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You know, like there's there's tons of music that's just

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below the surface. It doesn't ever kind of come on

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to the YEP. So it's you know, it takes it

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takes some effort to find the things that you really love,

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but it's it's there. It's just I mean, you know,

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it's just there's so much more being leaves now than

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ever before. So it's it's definitely an onslaught of media

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that's seeing that people are being inundated with no question.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely absolutely if you are just joining us. John

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Poussett Dart is with us, and uh, we've been talking

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about he's got a show coming up on the thirteenth

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at the Rex Theater right here in Manchester. And John, well,

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we'll let you go in a moment, but I really

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appreciate your time this morning, and it's great to get

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to speak with you. And yeah, the Rex Theater is

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such a nice venue. Of course, if you're online, you

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can go to Rextheater dot org or Palace Theater dot

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org if you want to get tickets online or call

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six three six six eight five eight eight. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,

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And you can see John Poussett Dart And I'm sorry,

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what's the name of the gentleman who plays with you again.

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Speaker 5: Jim chapter Laine and the people If people know Al Anderson,

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Al Anderson is just a treasure of musical one of

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the great guitar player in singer Sommers and he plays

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also with Al And. Al is just a monster. He's

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literally he was botar both NRBQ and n RBQ, the

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original NRBQ is was one of the greatest bands up

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their Little Feet and Bonnie Ray and some of my

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favorite bands bar none the original band. It's changed now,

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but but Al was part of it, was one of

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the original members. And he's so he works with al

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And and myself, and so he's just and he's also

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we have a lot of similar friends in Nashville and

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spent around so's he's he's just a wonderful musician. Jim chapterline.

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Speaker 4: Okay, very cool, very cool. All right, Well, John, we

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will let you go, but thank you so much. It

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is wonderful to speak with you today. Have a great

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show on Friday. I wish I could be there, but

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I'm actually on the air Friday nights. But but I

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know it's going to be great and we'll keep plugging

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it here and spreading the word. And thank you so

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much for joining us today.

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Speaker 9: Matt.

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Speaker 5: It's wonderful talking to you, and thank you for having

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me greatly appreciate it. Thank you so.

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Speaker 4: Much, anytime, anytime. All right, Thanks John, take care, take care.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 4: That was John Possett Dart and we're gonna play to

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close out our conversation. I'm gonna play this track Amnesia.

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This is one of the hits from back in the

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days of the Johns, the Posset Dart Band. Boy, I

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do a radio show, can you believe it? The Pooseet

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Dart Band, this track Amnesia. And I decided to play

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this one specifically for our friend Tony Petrello, who might

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be listening, because last night on Retro Spectrum Radio we

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were talking about how John was going to be joining

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us this morning, and Tony had mentioned that he particularly

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particularly loves this song Amnesia. So let's give this a spin.

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Then we'll show some love to our amazing sponsors and

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then our guest. We have a great guest coming in.

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And plus we'll remind you about that show and the

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art show that Jenny is featured in as well. We'll

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talk about all of it.

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Speaker 1: But here it is.

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Speaker 4: This is Amnesia. This is from the Poussett Dart Band.

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John Poussett Dart, would you hit me on the.

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Speaker 1: Head with your beer?

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Speaker 9: Ball something in my chemistry to change.

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Speaker 3: The already inside, to forgive.

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Speaker 4: My friendly thing I'm permanently.

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Speaker 8: To raised when away, try to put the things on.

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Speaker 4: The all loving times and weed it out.

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Speaker 3: I get to start excuse ears and a hazy picture,

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and I hear your.

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Speaker 9: Voice inside again the last I love.

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Speaker 3: Y, leave me sick, but nonancy.

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Speaker 10: My brom.

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Speaker 5: That is all y.

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Speaker 9: My friends day, don't.

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Speaker 4: Lurking me to say.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes if you okay, but where I talk, guys, I

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can't remember the fast A few minutes of God, the

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darks all come up the same answer.

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Speaker 4: Boy is found that dark one. There's no lived to go.

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Speaker 11: That is all shoot.

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Speaker 8: Believe me sick, but nonancy.

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Speaker 7: Bom that is so.

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Speaker 12: My friend.

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Speaker 8: They don't luk at me. See all that is all landing,

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basing signaling.

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Speaker 7: It's all that so learning.

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Speaker 8: I say, look at me says all that so lean.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back, everybody. This is Matt Connorton Unleashed and we

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are live from the studios of wm NH ninety five

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point three FM, Inglorious, Manchester, New Hampshire on Canal Street.

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Today is Saturday, September seven, twenty twenty four. We have

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a wonderful guest we're going to introduce in just a moment.

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I do want to thank again John Poussett Dart for

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joining us this morning. That was a that was a

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fun conversation. I really like talking with him. And he's

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going to be at the Rex Theater on Friday, September

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thirteenth at seven thirty pm. So that's a beautiful venue

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if you've never been there, and of course you can

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go Rextheater dot org or Palacetheater dot org to get

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your tickets and evening with the John Poussett Dart Duo

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is how they have it listed, and that's going to

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be really cool. So, like I said, I really like

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talking with him, and also I mentioned I made reference

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to it earlier. Jenny's artwork is being shown at the

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Mosaic Art Collective, another great place right here in Manchester

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on Hanover Street, and the reception is on one week

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from today, Saturday the fourteenth, from four to eight pm,

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sixty six Hanover Street, a sweet two one. That's a

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beautiful building if you haven't been in there, the Daily

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Mirror building. But you go in, you just go up

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to the second floor and you can't miss it. The

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event is the Mosaic Art Collective proudly presents our annual

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Full Circle the Speed of Light. That's the name of

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the venue. They are celebrating their birthday two years now

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that they've been there, So opening and reception, Opening reception,

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birthday celebration Saturday, September fourteenth from four to eight pm.

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And Jenny and I will be going, of course because

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her art is being shown there and it's a wonderful place,

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so we'd probably go anyway. But uh, the painting that

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was selected for the show, it's it's a personal favorite

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of mine, really really cool, So please join us for

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that as well, And if you are just joining us

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on Saturday morning, if you're listening live, of course, the

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studio line is opened six oh three two five six

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seven six three two five six oh seven, And of

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course you can connect with us on social media where

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you can go to Matt connorton dot com, slash live

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you can send an instant message to us through there.

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So there are many ways to interact with the show

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on this Saturday morning. But joining us now live in studio,

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we have Terry Almquist from Wellness Hot Yoga. Welcome Terry.

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Speaker 9: Not nice to be with you.

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Speaker 4: I've been I've been very excited to get you on

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the show because, as I've been telling people, and I

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was telling Jenny about this, You've got a pretty fascinating

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backstory and I want to get into all of that.

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But we should tell people up front too. So you're

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from Wellness Hot Yoga, which.

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Speaker 9: Is in April, Yeah, April, Massachusetts.

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Speaker 4: And for our local listeners in Manchester, it's not far.

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You know, you say Massachusetts, people think, wait, that's in

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another state, but it's right over the border. So I

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mean to get here, what did it take you a

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half hour?

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Speaker 9: Uh? Yeah, like thirty minutes.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's easy, you know, just a straight shot

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really on ninety three, So it's a wonderful place. And

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how long have you been there?

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Speaker 9: We've been in that location for two years, so two

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years we were in North andover started over there. In

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two thousand and eight, I opened a yoga studio and

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it was just yoga back then, and then of course

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COVID hit yeah, and like a lot of small businesses,

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it was devastating, and I ended up having to close

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that business and thought that I wasn't sure I was

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even going to reopen. And when I decided to reopen,

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my first thought was I was going to open a

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very small space and just teach, you know, one or

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two classes a week, and that would be what I

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wanted to do. And then this space became available that

713
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,519
had a beautiful locker rooms and asauna already, and I

714
00:37:03,639 --> 00:37:05,599
saw the vision when I looked at the space of

715
00:37:06,159 --> 00:37:09,400
opening a wellness center. So more than just yoga were

716
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:14,239
available for all these other modalities of healing. And that's

717
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,599
really the reason I opened the studio in the first place,

718
00:37:16,679 --> 00:37:18,800
because I think that the body is self healing and

719
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,360
that we have lots of tools we could use, and

720
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,840
the more tools we have available to us to be healthy,

721
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:25,159
better off we're.

722
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:25,280
Speaker 5: Going to be.

723
00:37:25,679 --> 00:37:31,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely so when COVID hit, so so there was

724
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:32,840
a there was a point where you didn't know if

725
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:34,159
you were going to even continue.

726
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,800
Speaker 9: Yeah, there was a point where I knew I'd always

727
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,920
teach yoga, but I didn't know if I wanted to

728
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,440
reopen a studio or how that was going to work out,

729
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,519
mainly because like a lot of small businesses, it was

730
00:37:45,639 --> 00:37:49,400
financially devastating. And I've been very lucky that it worked

731
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,639
out that I've had people interested investing in a way

732
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,280
that allowed me to reopen.

733
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 4: Did did you at any point? You know, because a

734
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,840
lot of people kind of took their business is online

735
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,920
and ways that at that time, in ways that they

736
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:09,920
hadn't previously considered, including myself, you know, because I I'm

737
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:14,119
a hypnotherapist and I had always kind of resisted doing

738
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:18,119
sessions with clients online. I don't know why, looking back,

739
00:38:18,159 --> 00:38:20,159
I don't know why, because I've always been one to

740
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,840
really embrace all the technology that's available. But I was

741
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:25,639
late to the party on that and I kind of

742
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,159
you know, and then COVID. Yeah, so terrible. But we

743
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:30,760
have to always say, we have to find those silver

744
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,840
linings where we can, right And and one of the

745
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,639
silver linings. Is it kind of forced a lot of people.

746
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,559
You know, we interview a lot of musicians on the show,

747
00:38:39,599 --> 00:38:42,039
and they talk about it too, how it forces them

748
00:38:42,119 --> 00:38:44,119
to be more creative, or it did force them to

749
00:38:44,199 --> 00:38:46,559
be more creative and find ways to kind of work around,

750
00:38:47,159 --> 00:38:49,639
you know, ways that they were used to creating music

751
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,599
with other people and playing shows and whatnot. And so

752
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,800
I found myself finally just sort of giving in and saying, Okay,

753
00:38:57,079 --> 00:39:00,519
I guess I can see clients online. Turns it works

754
00:39:00,559 --> 00:39:04,119
pretty well, and people are used to it anyway, especially

755
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:08,960
with you know, different therapies. People use services like doxy

756
00:39:09,199 --> 00:39:13,880
and you know, to do this to interact. So it

757
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,800
turned out to be a good thing, a positive thing,

758
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,320
learning to do that. But in your case, and I

759
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,159
have seen people who kind of do yoga classes online.

760
00:39:22,199 --> 00:39:25,039
But is that something you considered or maybe you did

761
00:39:25,079 --> 00:39:25,880
implement some of that.

762
00:39:26,039 --> 00:39:28,639
Speaker 9: Yeah, we did. We were in a really interesting position

763
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,079
because not only do I own a yoga studio, I

764
00:39:32,199 --> 00:39:35,360
have been a yoga teacher for now and almost twenty years,

765
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,480
but then you know, over a decade, and I've mentored

766
00:39:38,559 --> 00:39:40,639
teachers from all over the world. So I've written a

767
00:39:40,679 --> 00:39:43,320
book on teaching yoga for the style of yoga that

768
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,679
I teach, which is called Bickram Yoga. I've written a

769
00:39:45,679 --> 00:39:48,159
book on teaching, I've mentored teachers. I travel around the

770
00:39:48,199 --> 00:39:50,599
world to do seminars and webinars, and one of the

771
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,599
things I do is a monthly webinar and I've done

772
00:39:53,639 --> 00:39:55,639
it on Zoom and I've done that since about two

773
00:39:55,679 --> 00:40:01,199
thousand and five. Sorry, that's the wrong date. Fifteen, Okay,

774
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:05,400
about twenty fifteen. I started doing these monthly webinars for teachers.

775
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,880
So I already had all the Zoom stuff set up

776
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,159
to do that. And then when the first day we

777
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,679
were closed from the yoga studio, we had morning classes

778
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,960
and closed and our evening classes were online. And what

779
00:40:18,079 --> 00:40:20,320
we did is because my manager and I have been

780
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:24,599
doing these Zoom things for ages, we actually put it

781
00:40:24,639 --> 00:40:27,480
out to my larger worldwide community and said, listen, you

782
00:40:27,559 --> 00:40:29,280
can figure out how to do this too, but let

783
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,719
your students know that they can hinde practicing with us,

784
00:40:32,119 --> 00:40:34,199
and we will help you set up your own stuff

785
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,360
and then they'll transition back to practicing with you. Just

786
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,440
to keep these businesses going. Of course, we all thought

787
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:40,800
it was going to be you know, a couple of

788
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,159
weeks or right what is started. Remember, So our thought

789
00:40:44,199 --> 00:40:47,079
process was, you know, we'll teach them classes online. It'll

790
00:40:47,119 --> 00:40:49,559
be fine. The style of yoga I teach, I don't

791
00:40:49,559 --> 00:40:51,440
actually have to do the class when I'm teaching it.

792
00:40:51,599 --> 00:40:54,079
I just stand and I kind of tell people the

793
00:40:54,119 --> 00:40:55,079
directions how to do it.

794
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:55,639
Speaker 4: Oh okay.

795
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 9: So I was just leading through a home practice and

796
00:40:58,079 --> 00:41:00,920
actually the first Saturday that we were over, my Saturday

797
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:04,000
classes are always busy. I remember having like four screens

798
00:41:04,039 --> 00:41:06,880
of zoom people. I had like seventy something people on

799
00:41:07,639 --> 00:41:09,800
line from all over the world taking classes.

800
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 4: Wow.

801
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 9: And we continued that. We also expanded out to this

802
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,840
more idea of also mental health wellness, so we did

803
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,239
a lot of community events online. So we did game playing.

804
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:20,920
That One of the most fun things we figured out

805
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,639
how to do is how to do scavenger hunts in

806
00:41:22,679 --> 00:41:24,960
your own house. So we would say, like find an

807
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,400
item and you have to you know, do you have

808
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,360
a Harry Potter book and you've run and you go

809
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,119
get the book and you bring it back, you know,

810
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,239
And that was fun. We had people from Australia and

811
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,440
Europe and I remember women from Hawaii and we still

812
00:41:36,519 --> 00:41:38,800
have online classes, so all of our classes, even if

813
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,000
people aren't local, all of our classes are audio streams

814
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,320
through the studio. And people still practice online because the

815
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,440
sad thing that happened to during COVID is a lot

816
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,960
of the studios that closed have never reopened, so those

817
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,840
students don't have a place to practice anymore. But we've

818
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:56,880
given them a place to practice with us, and we

819
00:41:57,079 --> 00:41:59,360
think of them not just as students online but also

820
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,800
part of our unity. Yeah, so we try to include

821
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,039
them and a lot of things that we do by

822
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,079
enabling to join online.

823
00:42:06,639 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 4: Yeah no, that's that's amazing, all right. So let's let's

824
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,079
get to this because you so when you and I

825
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,320
first met you, you kind of told me your whole

826
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:20,760
history of of how you got here. And one of

827
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:22,199
the things I noticed, and I think I even said

828
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:23,920
this to you that day, it seems like like people

829
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,239
who you know, if you want to use the term healer,

830
00:42:28,039 --> 00:42:33,039
people who are healers. So many of us we get

831
00:42:33,119 --> 00:42:35,599
to where we're able to help others because we started

832
00:42:35,639 --> 00:42:40,360
out needing, you know, not just necessarily wanting, but really

833
00:42:40,559 --> 00:42:42,800
needing a way to help ourselves.

834
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:43,079
Speaker 6: You know.

835
00:42:43,199 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 4: That's that's how I got started as a hypnotherapist. Was

836
00:42:46,559 --> 00:42:50,199
you know, I started out I needed to help myself

837
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:54,079
ad you know, tremendous social anxiety and a lot of

838
00:42:54,119 --> 00:42:56,320
things overcome that I felt were holding me back. So

839
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,880
I learned self hypnosis and then I started, you know,

840
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,519
and when friends would find out what I was doing,

841
00:43:01,559 --> 00:43:03,920
they would say, oh, can you hypnotize me? Turned out

842
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,440
I was good at it. Then I went and got certified,

843
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,199
and now I do it professionally. That's kind of the

844
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,320
cliff notes version of my story. But I'm interested in

845
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:16,199
sharing your story because you yours is very emblematic of

846
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,760
that too, where you started out needing to find solutions

847
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,840
for yourself and that put you on this path that

848
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:25,440
you're still on today.

849
00:43:25,679 --> 00:43:30,039
Speaker 9: So absolutely, I tell people all the time the reason

850
00:43:30,079 --> 00:43:32,960
I opened to yoga studio is because I honestly believe

851
00:43:33,079 --> 00:43:35,639
no one should live in pain, and whether that pain

852
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:40,559
is physical or spiritual, emotionally that the body is self healing.

853
00:43:41,159 --> 00:43:43,800
But so in the nineties, I worked in the mental

854
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,239
health field, and I worked in a lot of lock

855
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:51,320
psychiatric facilities, Okay, and in one of those facilities, unfortunately

856
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,679
I got injured. I had a client who was going

857
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,679
off of medication and had become very psychotic. Oh wow,

858
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,760
ended up pulling me over backwards and landing on top

859
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,159
of me, and in the process of trying to get

860
00:44:03,199 --> 00:44:05,679
them off and sort of doing that, I thought I

861
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,559
was absolutely fine. After the incident, they kept saying you

862
00:44:08,599 --> 00:44:09,960
want to go to the emergency room, and said, no,

863
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,400
I'm good. And the next morning when I woke up,

864
00:44:13,039 --> 00:44:15,760
I had really struggled to get out of bed, that

865
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:17,719
my legs didn't want to work, and I was a

866
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,039
single mom with two young kids, which was very frightening.

867
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,280
So I go to the emergency room and what had

868
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,199
happened was seven of the discs in my neck had

869
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:29,400
herniated in the process, and so I was put a

870
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,559
neck brace. Told well, this for a couple of weeks,

871
00:44:31,599 --> 00:44:34,760
we'll do some physical therapy. You'll be fine. Unfortunately, my neck,

872
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,760
like a lot of people, when it healed, healed very frozen,

873
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:43,320
and that frozen neck after the even after they took

874
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,880
the neck brace off, I couldn't move. So there was

875
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,920
physical therapy and that didn't really help. And then I

876
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:55,960
went to see some neurologists and they suggested that I

877
00:44:56,159 --> 00:44:59,519
have surgery at some point to probably remove the disc

878
00:44:59,559 --> 00:45:01,800
from my neck and put a rod in my spine

879
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,719
to hold my wo to hold my head up. Over

880
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,519
the course of several years, I was collapsing forward. But

881
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,440
I had a wonderful neurologist at Math General who said

882
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,679
to me, go find anything else that you can do.

883
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:17,760
Try chiropractic, try massage, try anything, and then when you

884
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,320
you know, when you can't lift your head up anymore,

885
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,440
when you're so that, we'll do the surgery. But put

886
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,000
it off as long as possible because there was a

887
00:45:26,199 --> 00:45:29,360
chance of being a quadriplegic. Any kind of massive surgery

888
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,039
to your spine, especially your neck, can be problematic. Yeah,

889
00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:34,639
so he said, get your youngest out of school and

890
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,840
then come talk to me again. So my daughter was

891
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:39,480
getting older and I was at a place where I

892
00:45:39,559 --> 00:45:41,639
thought I'm going to have to do the surgery. I

893
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:45,480
had lived with a headache for many, many years and

894
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:49,719
unable to move, and so my sister said to me,

895
00:45:50,199 --> 00:45:52,920
come take this yoga class I'm taking. And I told

896
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,679
her I've tried yoga. You know, with the ability to

897
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,559
move my head and stuff, yoga is really hard. I

898
00:45:57,599 --> 00:45:59,719
can't do it. She said, try this class with me.

899
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,320
It's very different. So I went to the class, and

900
00:46:03,639 --> 00:46:05,719
at that time I had been in pain for over

901
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:09,880
a decade. Oh, I was a packa day smoker. So

902
00:46:10,039 --> 00:46:12,800
people see me now and they think, you know, I

903
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:14,800
don't want to say I'm very zen, but I'm that

904
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,840
kind of I'm the yoga teacher, you know. I try

905
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,239
to live a healthy lifestyle. All of that. That was

906
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:20,199
not where I started.

907
00:46:20,679 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, can I just ask you to to interject when

908
00:46:24,039 --> 00:46:26,679
you talk about being in pain for over a decade?

909
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:28,079
My god, what was it?

910
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 6: Like?

911
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:29,519
Speaker 4: How severe.

912
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,320
Speaker 9: You learn to function? People who live in chronic pain

913
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,920
learn to function in chronic pain. So I was working

914
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,159
and functioning. I had trained to be a sign language

915
00:46:38,159 --> 00:46:41,039
interpreter and actually couldn't full time do that job because

916
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,519
food's holding your arms up for long periods of time,

917
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:46,880
which was not possible. So I got a job at

918
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,840
a college that was teaching sign language interpreting, so I

919
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,280
was able to still be in my field, but not

920
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:53,960
having to put that strain on my body.

921
00:46:54,039 --> 00:46:56,119
Speaker 4: But you were in chronic pain because.

922
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,039
Speaker 9: A chronic pain I had, I quite literally had a

923
00:46:58,079 --> 00:47:01,199
headache for ten years. Wow, I used to say to

924
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,760
people who were I was trying everything chiropractic and massage,

925
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:06,440
and I always used to joke that if I could

926
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:07,920
find someone who could get rid of my headache, I

927
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:09,480
was going to give them a million dollars. I didn't

928
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:13,320
have a million dollars, but acupuncture was something that I found.

929
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,880
It did help with the pain, which was really helpful.

930
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,480
I've tried so I've tried all these other modalities of healing,

931
00:47:21,159 --> 00:47:24,639
and in the beginning, chiropractic wasn't helpful for me. Later on,

932
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:28,079
as I got better doing yoga, chiropractic has become an

933
00:47:28,119 --> 00:47:30,199
important part of what I do to keep myself well.

934
00:47:30,639 --> 00:47:32,719
So sometimes you try something in a moment and it

935
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,119
didn't work, that doesn't mean you shouldn't try it again.

936
00:47:35,519 --> 00:47:39,000
It could work later. So my sister took me to

937
00:47:39,079 --> 00:47:41,360
this yoga class, and I remember going into my first

938
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,920
class and the teacher said, you must be Kathy's sister.

939
00:47:44,519 --> 00:47:46,079
And I said, how did you know? And she said,

940
00:47:46,159 --> 00:47:48,079
because she told me you look like a turtle. My

941
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,079
head had hutted so far forward because I couldn't really

942
00:47:51,119 --> 00:47:53,159
hold it up that I actually did sort of look

943
00:47:53,199 --> 00:47:55,920
like a turtle. And she said, don't worry, I collect

944
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,079
turtles and all over her yoga studio with these little

945
00:47:58,119 --> 00:48:01,679
turtle statues. Oh really, I really went in there. Like

946
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,280
I said, it's a packadet smoker. Drank a bottle of

947
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,239
wine at night to try to get to sleep because

948
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,679
I didn't want to take painkillers. I was not in

949
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:13,079
good physical shape. And it was a ninety minute hot class,

950
00:48:13,199 --> 00:48:14,880
and ten minutes in I thought, how do I get

951
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,000
out of here and go have a cigarette? Yeah, but

952
00:48:17,159 --> 00:48:19,079
the teacher was great, and she had been teaching for

953
00:48:19,119 --> 00:48:22,239
a long time and she's still teaching. Diane teachers at

954
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,599
Yoga for You. She own set studio down in deada

955
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:28,519
Mass and we got to a posture where you had

956
00:48:28,559 --> 00:48:30,920
to roll forward and put your head down on the floor.

957
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,719
And I said, She said put your head on the

958
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,079
floor and I said no. And she said put your

959
00:48:35,079 --> 00:48:36,639
head on the floor and I said no. She said

960
00:48:36,639 --> 00:48:38,119
do you trust me? And I said yeah. She goes,

961
00:48:38,159 --> 00:48:39,920
put your head on the floor. I put my head

962
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,320
on the floor and we don't do any real inversions,

963
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,239
but it's just rolling forward touching the floor.

964
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:44,599
Speaker 4: Yeah.

965
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:46,800
Speaker 9: I felt something move in my neck that hadn't moved

966
00:48:47,039 --> 00:48:49,599
in all of those years. Really, and in that moment,

967
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:51,960
I had that epiphany, and I think this happens to

968
00:48:52,039 --> 00:48:54,440
a lot of people who are in the wellness industry.

969
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,280
I had the epiphany that I was going to do

970
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,119
this yoga for the rest of my life, and I

971
00:48:58,199 --> 00:49:00,639
was going to learn to teach the sugar. Yeah, and

972
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:04,280
so I started. I live in Haveral, that studio was

973
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:08,079
in West Roxbury, and I would go every day to yoga, yeah,

974
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,960
to try to heal my own body. And I progressively

975
00:49:11,039 --> 00:49:13,599
got much better, and a year later went to be

976
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:14,239
a teacher.

977
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 4: Wow, when you said you felt something move in that moment,

978
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:18,840
you felt something move, like a.

979
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 9: In a good way, and yeah, well, like something stretched.

980
00:49:23,119 --> 00:49:25,719
Nothing had moved in my neck. Everything was starch. That's

981
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,480
what it happened, with the neck brace on everything. And

982
00:49:28,599 --> 00:49:30,320
now I think they do less of that when people

983
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,559
have neck injuries. Very rarely do you see people walking

984
00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:35,840
around with big collars anymore. Yeah, that's true, because I

985
00:49:36,159 --> 00:49:39,119
think they know now moving it even a little is

986
00:49:39,199 --> 00:49:41,639
better than making it immobile. What happened was I just

987
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,719
froze all of that scar tissue just froze up in

988
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:49,840
my neck and so that's what made me lose motion. Okay,

989
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,280
but something stretched in the back of my neck. That

990
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,320
hadn't moved and I'm talking about this was just a

991
00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:00,119
tiny movement. But I had that idea of this, it

992
00:50:00,199 --> 00:50:03,239
can fix it, this is going to fix it, and

993
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:04,800
so I just have to do this for the rest

994
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:08,000
of my life. And I started. I dedicated myself to going,

995
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:10,800
still working at the college, and a year later, I

996
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:12,320
left my job at the college and went off to

997
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,599
teacher training, which at the time was in LA And

998
00:50:14,679 --> 00:50:17,079
it was nine weeks. I left my family for a

999
00:50:17,119 --> 00:50:19,760
full nine weeks and it's over six hundred hours of training.

1000
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:21,800
Oh wow, to be a hot yoga teacher in the

1001
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:25,360
style that I teach, the pic of yoga. And came

1002
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,320
back and there was no studio in the area. Still

1003
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,559
driving miles to teach and take yoga and then open

1004
00:50:30,599 --> 00:50:31,760
my studio in North Andover.

1005
00:50:32,039 --> 00:50:37,639
Speaker 4: Wow, So you said, so to get to get to

1006
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:39,559
be Are you paying free now.

1007
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 9: Or I am paining free now? It was funny I

1008
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:44,960
last month I didn't take as much yoga as I

1009
00:50:45,079 --> 00:50:47,960
normally take, and I said to somebody boy, like my

1010
00:50:48,079 --> 00:50:51,199
neck feels like a little cliquie. If I go more

1011
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,719
than four days without a yoga class practicing, I can

1012
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:58,480
feel like it's well it's not pain like I could

1013
00:50:58,519 --> 00:51:02,079
feel that it's still so it's not a panacea. I

1014
00:51:02,119 --> 00:51:04,239
didn't do a couple of yoga classes and don't need

1015
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:05,719
to ever go back for the rest of my life.

1016
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,159
I really honestly believe that I have to do this

1017
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,599
for the rest of my life to stay pain free

1018
00:51:10,639 --> 00:51:13,679
and mobile. And I'm okay with that. And to be honest,

1019
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,119
I came back a week ago from being on vacation

1020
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,719
and not practicing for almost ten days, and so my

1021
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,440
neck was really stiff and really like bugging me. And

1022
00:51:22,559 --> 00:51:25,840
then I've taken four classes in four days and it

1023
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,679
was fine. It's back to where it was before. Wow,

1024
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:30,000
that's great, it comes back.

1025
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,199
Speaker 4: And what about So you mentioned too while you were

1026
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,000
still in pain, so you were a packa day smoker. Yeah,

1027
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:38,440
how did you quit?

1028
00:51:38,559 --> 00:51:38,800
Speaker 7: Did you?

1029
00:51:39,559 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 9: That's three months of yoga practicing almost every day. My

1030
00:51:43,159 --> 00:51:46,840
first month I practiced yoga, I did over thirty classes

1031
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,280
in thirty days. So I was driving so far that

1032
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,239
I would stay at the studio and take two classes

1033
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,840
back to back. What was really fascinating was people are

1034
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,320
very frightened of the idea of especially if you live

1035
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,400
in pain. I think ninety minutes in a hot yoga room.

1036
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,960
Doing yoga sounds so overwhelming you think like I need

1037
00:52:03,039 --> 00:52:05,039
to start with maybe a thirty minute class or something.

1038
00:52:05,599 --> 00:52:08,440
But the way this yoga is designed is so that

1039
00:52:09,519 --> 00:52:13,119
you are slowly warming yourself up and the heat helps.

1040
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,199
So what I discovered was if I did a ninety

1041
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,840
minute class, at the end of class, I started feeling like,

1042
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,280
oh wait, I feel mobile enough now that I could

1043
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,239
actually do a class. So I started staying and doing

1044
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,679
two classes back to back because the first class was

1045
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,440
just really all warming up for me, and then the

1046
00:52:30,519 --> 00:52:32,639
second class. The way the class is designed, the first

1047
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,840
almost well it's the ninety minut class, so almost the

1048
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,760
first hour is what we consider the warm up, so

1049
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,840
it's and then you do yoga, which it's done on

1050
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:46,039
the floor, so you spend all this time warming up slowly.

1051
00:52:46,079 --> 00:52:47,639
So I would do a whole class as a warm up,

1052
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:49,559
then do the warm up of the next class, and

1053
00:52:49,639 --> 00:52:52,159
then do the yoga. And that's what really changed everything

1054
00:52:53,119 --> 00:52:55,159
was to be able to I'm not advising that everybody

1055
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:58,599
do two classes, but with a severe injury, that was

1056
00:52:58,679 --> 00:53:01,159
the thing that worked for me and people. But like

1057
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,159
I said, people are intimidated with this idea of a

1058
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,599
ninety minute yoga class in the heat. That's going to

1059
00:53:05,639 --> 00:53:08,039
be really hard because I'm injured, I'm sick and whatever.

1060
00:53:08,679 --> 00:53:11,400
But the way the class is designed, it's therapeutic. So

1061
00:53:11,559 --> 00:53:13,519
you do the little bit that you can do, and

1062
00:53:13,599 --> 00:53:16,280
then over time, as your body improves, you do more

1063
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:16,880
and more and more.

1064
00:53:17,159 --> 00:53:20,159
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, now, so what am I?

1065
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 9: Oh you asked about quitting smoking. Oh, you got three

1066
00:53:22,519 --> 00:53:25,199
months into the practice. I had taken a class and

1067
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:28,320
then I took a second class. I used to go between.

1068
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,400
This is a terrible thing to admit. I used to

1069
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,719
go between the two classes. There's a break, I would

1070
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:35,239
go outside, have a cigarette, come back in and take

1071
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,760
the second class. I was quite literally at the end

1072
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:42,159
of two classes, sucking wind, laying on the floor, struggling

1073
00:53:42,199 --> 00:53:45,519
to catch my breath, and I realized, either I had

1074
00:53:45,519 --> 00:53:48,280
to stop coming to yoga or I had to stop smoking. Wow,

1075
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:52,360
these two needed to go. I smoked. It was my

1076
00:53:52,519 --> 00:53:54,559
daughter's birthday. As a matter of fact, I smoked my

1077
00:53:54,639 --> 00:53:57,079
last cigarette, drove home, smoked a cigarette on my ride home.

1078
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,840
Never bought another pack of cigarettes. Yeah, and it was fine.

1079
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,280
I made the yoga and the replacement the other thing

1080
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,320
I think too, that three months was enough time for

1081
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:09,920
me to start to emotionally love myself again. And when

1082
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,000
you love somebody, you don't want them to smoke. When

1083
00:54:12,039 --> 00:54:14,000
you love somebody, you don't want them to do these

1084
00:54:14,039 --> 00:54:16,559
things that aren't good for themselves. I think that journey

1085
00:54:16,639 --> 00:54:18,159
for a lot of people, and I've watched it over

1086
00:54:18,199 --> 00:54:20,440
the last twenty years, watching the journey of people fall

1087
00:54:20,519 --> 00:54:23,440
in love with themselves and stop doing those things that

1088
00:54:23,519 --> 00:54:27,119
are harming themselves and easily not struggling to do it,

1089
00:54:27,559 --> 00:54:31,000
making those habit changes because they love who they are,

1090
00:54:31,519 --> 00:54:34,440
they love the way they feel, and so it makes

1091
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:34,960
it easy.

1092
00:54:35,599 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, it's funny you're talking about like smoking

1093
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:43,159
between classes. It reminds me of a I remember in

1094
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:46,000
high school, like going to going to the gym with

1095
00:54:46,119 --> 00:54:50,559
friends to lift weights and you seeing people like not

1096
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:52,320
a lot if every once in a while, you know,

1097
00:54:52,519 --> 00:54:55,519
you might see somebody they get done doing a set

1098
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,039
and then they go outside and they smoke a cigarette.

1099
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,400
And I remember talking with my friends and about this

1100
00:55:01,599 --> 00:55:03,400
and saying, you know, to me that that looks like

1101
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:08,079
it's like driving your car over a cliff but deciding intentionally,

1102
00:55:08,159 --> 00:55:10,599
but deciding to put your seat belt on right before

1103
00:55:10,639 --> 00:55:12,280
you do it. It's like, you know, you either care

1104
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:15,199
about your health or you don't, and but you know,

1105
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:16,880
you obviously got to a point where you had to

1106
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:21,360
make that choice. And and I think, unfortunately, I think

1107
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:25,679
for most people it's not it's not stark enough. I

1108
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:30,719
think people, you know, I see, that's the number one

1109
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,480
I think that I see people for for hypnosis is

1110
00:55:33,559 --> 00:55:39,400
to quit smoking. And I think for most people it's

1111
00:55:39,519 --> 00:55:43,960
not a stark choice because they're not they're not staring

1112
00:55:44,119 --> 00:55:47,239
it in the face. The problem. You were staring it

1113
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:49,159
right in the face because you got to that point

1114
00:55:49,199 --> 00:55:51,960
where I either got to do yoga, which is helping

1115
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,800
me tremendously, or I can keep smoking, but I can't

1116
00:55:54,840 --> 00:56:00,199
do both. Whereas most people it's like, Okay, well I'm

1117
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:03,159
doing this terrible thing. It's going to ruin my health eventually,

1118
00:56:03,599 --> 00:56:06,840
but today I'm okay. Today, I don't Right today, I

1119
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:10,400
don't have lung cancer. Today, I don't have emphysema. You know,

1120
00:56:10,559 --> 00:56:14,119
today I don't have heart disease that I know of.

1121
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:16,440
Right as far as I know, today's fine. So I'll

1122
00:56:16,519 --> 00:56:20,679
just I'll keep smoking, and then tomorrow comes and it's like, yeah.

1123
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 9: It's also addictive. It's also that physical addiction to it

1124
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:25,679
as well, and I think being in the yoga room

1125
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:29,760
sweating and all of that helped with me. I started

1126
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:31,880
playing even before I quit. I started playing these games

1127
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:33,840
of you know, I'm going to wait till I I

1128
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:36,119
would drive from the yogust yeago, I wait till I

1129
00:56:36,159 --> 00:56:38,159
get to this point before I have a cigarette. I'll

1130
00:56:38,159 --> 00:56:40,280
wait till I this I'll wait till I get in

1131
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,480
my car in the morning, instead of having a cigarette

1132
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,519
the morning when I get up. So it started sort

1133
00:56:44,559 --> 00:56:47,239
of playing these games to put off how much I

1134
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,760
was smoking. But you know, but but I hadn't really

1135
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,360
gone less than I was still a packa day smoker. Yeah,

1136
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,159
And it was funny because I was somebody I knew

1137
00:56:55,159 --> 00:56:56,760
I was an addict. I knew I was an addict

1138
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:58,719
when I was quite young. I started smoking at thirteen.

1139
00:56:59,199 --> 00:57:03,199
Speaker 4: Most people people do that. That's that's probably average. Yes,

1140
00:57:03,639 --> 00:57:04,159
my experience.

1141
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:06,159
Speaker 9: I always think if we could keep kids from smoking

1142
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:09,039
until after high school, then they're not going to be

1143
00:57:09,119 --> 00:57:11,719
that many smokers because you have to get addicted young.

1144
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:16,960
And so it was. It was an addiction for me.

1145
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,039
But it was also a mental addiction. So I started

1146
00:57:20,079 --> 00:57:22,280
playing that game and started breaking that. But the sweating

1147
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,320
they getting in there doing something hard and knowing that

1148
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:29,199
I could do something hard, Yeah, and that made it

1149
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:32,559
easier to quit smoking, because in my head that was going.

1150
00:57:32,559 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 4: To be hard, right.

1151
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 9: And there's never really been a time. There's only once

1152
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,719
that i've I've had the urged cigarette, which was in

1153
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,480
a stupid moment when my daughter actually had been diagnosed

1154
00:57:42,519 --> 00:57:44,599
with cancer. It was her first treatment at the hospital

1155
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,079
and I had stepped outside just to like get to marriage.

1156
00:57:47,119 --> 00:57:50,599
Somebody was smoking and I thought, and I thought, sitting

1157
00:57:50,639 --> 00:57:54,760
outside of cancer center cigarette. But it's that sort of

1158
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:57,519
like it's still that somewhere in my head. It's still

1159
00:57:57,559 --> 00:57:59,960
that crutch, sure, you know, somewhere, So I don't think

1160
00:58:00,079 --> 00:58:04,320
it ever goes away. But you have all these coping techniques.

1161
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:06,280
And that's what all the wellness stuff that I offer is.

1162
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:09,039
It's just tools. And even about the book I wrote

1163
00:58:09,119 --> 00:58:12,360
is called The Toolbox, Tools for Teaching Bickram Yoga. It's

1164
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:14,679
just tools you're putting in your toolbox. And I tell people,

1165
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,599
if you smoke, it's okay, come to yoga anyway. The

1166
00:58:17,679 --> 00:58:19,800
smoking doesn't get in the way of the yoga. The

1167
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:21,119
yoga might get in the way.

1168
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 4: Of your smoking, right, which is a good thing.

1169
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,079
Speaker 9: Which is a good thing. Yeah, but it's just another

1170
00:58:25,119 --> 00:58:28,199
tool to put in your toolbox. So letting go of

1171
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:31,880
the blaming yourself and thinking I can't because I'm this,

1172
00:58:32,079 --> 00:58:35,960
I can't be this. We are unique, each, unique and

1173
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,239
open human beings that can be lots of things at once, right,

1174
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:40,760
not to open our mind to it. You can be

1175
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:43,559
a smoker and someone who does yoga, right, right, that's

1176
00:58:43,599 --> 00:58:44,360
perfectly okay.

1177
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 4: Well, the thing with smoking too is and you know, smokers,

1178
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:50,840
a lot of smokers in my experience don't like to

1179
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:55,119
hear this because it takes away some of the excuses.

1180
00:58:55,199 --> 00:59:00,440
But it's it's the addiction part of it. Obviously, the

1181
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:03,559
physical addiction is real, Nickoteen is highly addictive, But the

1182
00:59:03,679 --> 00:59:08,480
psychological addiction is what's really the big problem because the

1183
00:59:08,559 --> 00:59:12,719
physical addiction works itself out of you in a relatively

1184
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:14,639
short period of time. Oh yeah, you know, doing something

1185
00:59:14,719 --> 00:59:17,440
like yoga where you're sweating, sweating out those toxins and everything.

1186
00:59:17,679 --> 00:59:20,400
The physical addiction you can get pai if you can

1187
00:59:20,559 --> 00:59:24,000
just get past that, that takes days that part of it.

1188
00:59:24,119 --> 00:59:25,280
It's the psychological.

1189
00:59:25,559 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 9: That moment of wanting a cigarette was I probably hadn't

1190
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:32,559
spoken twelve or fifteen years. It wasn't a physical addiction exactly.

1191
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 4: It was that something in your brain.

1192
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,599
Speaker 9: It was something in your brain when like, this is

1193
00:59:37,679 --> 00:59:39,840
how we relieve stress, this is how we There's still

1194
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:42,599
that thing, but it's just that it's that idea of

1195
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:45,920
in that moment of stress, also searching outside of yourself

1196
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,679
for the answer as opposed to looking. And this must

1197
00:59:48,719 --> 00:59:50,920
be some of the stuff you teach in hypnosis. When

1198
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,880
you have that anxiety, when you have that urge to smoke,

1199
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:56,679
you can't go outside yourself for the answer. It's not there.

1200
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That's but all those