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Speaker 1: And we are back with another edition of the Federalist

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Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle, Senior Elections correspondent at the

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Federalist and your experienced Shirpa on today's quest for Knowledge.

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Speaker 2: As always, you.

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Speaker 1: Can email the show at radio at the Federalist dot com,

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subscribe wherever you download your podcast, and of course to

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the premium version of our website as well. Our guest

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today is Senator Ron Johnson, Wisconsin Senior Senator in the

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main We're talking today about what the Wall Street Journal

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has described as the most important election in twenty twenty five,

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and if you count the money, for sure, a definitely

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is with some major impacts not only in the state

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of Wisconsin, but nationally in the House of Representatives. Senator

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thanks so much for joining us in this edition of

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the Federalist Radio Hour.

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Speaker 2: Well, Matt, glad to be on HOPE.

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Speaker 1: You're doing well, Yes, you, sir as well. I know

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you've been fighting the good fight as you always do

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in the swamp and you have been a leading warrior

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in draining the swamp. I know there are challenges, obviously,

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but you fight on the left sir is losing what's

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left of its collective mind over Elon Musk spending heavily

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on this Wisconsin Supreme Court race, which will determine whether

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that court remains in the control of the liberals or

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if it goes back to the control of the conservatives.

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As I said before, it's a big deal because ultimately

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you could have a court that could decide the redistricting

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lines congressional lines for the House of Representative maps in

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the state of Wisconsin. We've heard about all of the

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big promises that have been made if Susan Crawford, the

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Liberal candidate for the Supreme Court, is elected, and what

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she might be able to do along with a liberal

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court if the liberals remain control. You know, the left

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doesn't like to talk about the millions upon millions coming

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in from socialist sugar daddies like George Soros and JB. Pritzker.

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During a recent online forum with a Musk on X

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you said that if Brad Shimmel, the conservative candidate, wins,

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we have to thank Elon in the April first election.

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Is Musk's urgent message getting across to conservatives, particularly the

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many who tend to sit out Springs, Sure, hope.

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Speaker 3: So, and you know, I think people need to understand

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this is a long term project on the part of

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the radical left, starting with Saul Lensky's Rules for radical

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but they actually go dates back to the Bolsheviks. But

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you come forward to to modern times, I mean Eric Holder,

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George Soros, I mean they have been concentrating on local

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and state elections, these district attorneys that stopped prosecuting crimes

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and destroying cities, taking over court systems of state of

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Supreme Court, that type of thing. So, you know, the

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Jannit protos, which Dan Kelly race is the one that

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they really went all in on, you know, send spinning

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levels up to just grow test levels an other I

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think doubling probably doubling that.

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Speaker 2: For this race as well.

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Speaker 3: And you know, we're we're not for people like Elon

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Musk and others that recognize that we just can't we

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can't unilaterally disarm here. We wouldn't have a chance, quite honestly,

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and again all the left really has our lies deception.

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They're employing them big time in this race. What we

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need is ground game, ground game, ground game, and individuals.

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Everybody that voted for President Trump they need to recognize

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how important it is to this particular race as well.

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There's no reason, for example, dan Kelly only got eight

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thousand votes two years ago, Donald Trump got one point seven.

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There's no reason to have that nine hundred thousand vote deficit.

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So we got to drive turnout, and that's what the

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whole game is all about.

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Speaker 1: And you have to think that if you pick up

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some of those that differential between the Donald Trump vote

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and the Dan Kelly vote. Dan Kelly, of course was

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the Conservative candidate for Supreme Court Wisconsin Supreme Court in

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twenty twenty three. If you pick up some of those votes,

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you've got a good chance to win this in what

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appears to be a pretty close race, at least from

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what I'm hearing.

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Speaker 3: Well, if you take a look at non presidential years,

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you know both Scott Walker and I got into somewhere

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between one point two. Scott got one point three in

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his recall election that was you know, def definitely jazz

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and turnout there as well.

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Speaker 2: Again, there's no.

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Speaker 3: Reason we shouldn't beginning one point two one point three,

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which is about the level of Jannet Prose which got

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against dan Kelly. So you know, we've got to actually

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do better than that, and we certainly should be able

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to appreciate President Trump now coming out to strong endorsement.

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Obviously Elon Musk is endorsement plus his involvement. But again,

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Wisconsin Conservatives need to understand how important this thing is

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and they got to go get out there, you know,

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voting early and voting and winning this race.

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Speaker 1: What do you think of the left complaining about big

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money election from their Ola Garks right, the Bernie Sanders

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claiming that Elon Musk is an Ola Gark. They certainly

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don't like to pay attention to the real Ola Garks

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work on their sides. The George Soros is the you know,

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the Reid Hoffman's, the JB. Pritzkers. I mean they have

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poured millions of dollars into this race.

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Speaker 3: No, I mean the left is the party of the elite,

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now a Republican party. We represent the working men and

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women of this country and Democrats. If there's of many

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negative attributes Democrats, one of them is they're complete hypocrites.

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So they will falsely accuse their political opponents of doing

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exactly what they do in spades. And so no, they

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are funded by these radical left elitists, these billionaires, and

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they've got their media companies in the back pocket as well,

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so they get air covered by the legacy media, by

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the corporate media. You know.

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Speaker 1: They were yeah, no doubt about it, and they were painting,

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you know, the left in the accomplished media. I see

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the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, which is doing it's usual duty

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to cover for the leftist candidate, whoever that leftist candidate

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might be. They're painting your involvement, by the way, in

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the X Forum with Elon Musk and Brad Schimmel and others.

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As you know, Elon Musk trying to control and manipulate

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politics in Wisconsin.

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Speaker 2: Again.

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Speaker 1: Without Elon Musk, as you noted, there would be a

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significant dollar difference between the amount of money the outside

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interest and it's running at about eighty percent right now

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for Susan Crawford, the liberal candidate. You know, there is

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a huge spending difference without Elon Musk entering this race,

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and Democrats would have an extreme advantage.

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Speaker 3: Once again, I remember in the movie Patent where Georgie

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Scott is watching Romel do his maneuvers and saying, Robert Rommel,

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you magnificent. You know what I read your book. The

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fact is that they're employing the rules for radicals here.

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You know, pick a target, isolate the target, and destroy it.

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So that's exactly what they're what they're doing to Elon Musk.

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He's their target. They again, Trump was they were unable

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to destroy him because what he represents is popular with

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the American public. I mean, that's what the Democrats aren't

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understanding is their policies were grotesquely unpopular. Trump promised a

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closed border to secure the border. He promised to get

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rid of wokeism and DEI. He promised to end these

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endless wars as opposed to get embroiled in them. The

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left just doesn't want to contemplate or admit the fact

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that what they're trying to impose and what they have

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imposted on America is grotesquely unpopular. And they're so used

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again the legacy media, the corporate media, providing the air

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cover to absolve them of all their sins. But Donald

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Trump proved him wrong. So again they couldn't destroy Donald Trump.

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So now they've got a new target and they're gonna

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do everything they can destroy him, including vandalizing his produce.

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Speaker 2: It's really grotesque I mean, and what you.

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Speaker 3: Can't celebrate the fact that it was SpaceX that rescued

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the astronauts from the space State. I mean again, just

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like the Democrats in.

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Speaker 2: The State of the Union.

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Speaker 3: They wouldn't even stand up an applaud of young cancer

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victim who got an honorary Secret Service membership. I mean,

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I don't know. It's man, It's amazing to me that

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so many Americans, so many Wisconsins.

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Speaker 2: Vote for these radical leftists. It's just again shows the

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power of the media.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the word is grotesque for all that

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you had just mentioned. So I guess that's the question

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in the Wisconsin Supreme Court race. Are do you think

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that conservatives who rejected that growth tesk agenda from the

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left in so many different ways. I mean, you mentioned it,

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and what supported Donald Trump's reforms changes, first and foremost

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securing the border, making sure that we have a border,

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and then going after what you have been going after

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for years in Wisconsinight's have supported you, and that is

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a massive out of control federal government that is spending

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us into bankruptcy. Will those conservatives understand that this race

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in Wisconsin is precisely tied to that agenda and the

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left trying to stop that agenda.

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Speaker 3: I sure hope so, but let's face it, Matt, last

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time I won by the narrows to margin. That's why

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I say, what's what's kind of depressing is you know, yeah,

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President Trump won convincingly, but Wisconsin I won by thirty

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thousand votes.

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Speaker 2: So again it's razor thin.

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Speaker 3: Again, it's because of the influence of the media, because

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lies are effective.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I mean, they will maybe.

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Speaker 3: Not encourage people to vote for Susan Crawford, but it

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may depressed turnout if people believe the lies that all

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those tens of millions of dollars are being spent to tell.

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So again, politics is a nasty business. You just have

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to hope and believe that the truth in the end

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has its own power and that people supported Donald Trump

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will realized, well, this is if you want Donald Trump

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to succeed, he better not lose the majority in the House.

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And this race could actually determine whether he retains the

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majority in the media election or loses it.

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Speaker 1: Well, the Democrats and their big liberal funders are making

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no secret about what they want to do. It. Wrote

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a piece today as we Record, published at the Federalist

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about Wisconsin Supreme Court candidate Susan Crawford, claiming you remember,

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as she did in this month's debate, that she had

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no idea that a call she was on with wealthy

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leftist donors was about how Democrats could use the court

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to grab a couple of Wisconsin congressional seats and ultimately

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change the power structure in the House, giving the House

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back to the Democrats in twenty twenty six. She insists

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that she had no idea that this big donor call

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was all about what Hakeem Jeffries spelled out this week

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at a DNC update. They clearly need Susan Crawford to

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win if they have any hope of stopping Republicans in

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Donald Trump. What do you think about Hakeem Jeffries now

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becoming the latest Democrat to say the quiet part out loud.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think what is interesting is that's not being

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covered by the legacy media machin No. Can you imagine

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if a Republican were on a call and that same

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Speaker 2: I mean, that would be major news.

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Speaker 3: We just like the signal yes right is right now?

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I mean, listen, a mistake, a problem in the end

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there's so many more things to worry about, but mainstream

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press has got to highlight that is probably the most

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significant news during the last month. Okay, so no, it's

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not a fair fight. It's not a level playing field.

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Speaker 1: Senator Ron Johnson joining us on this edition of the

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Federalist Radio Hour, I want to turn our attention to

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a couple of other important things. You have been working

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the federal government, particularly under the Biden administration. Regarding what

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Frost investigation, the FBI seizing or grabbing up government cell

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phones of President Trump and former Vice President Mike Pence,

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among other government officials. FBI agents use taxpayer dollars to

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of the political probe. I know that you, as a

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chairman of the Senate Permanent sub Committee on Investigations, you've

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asked for You've asked the Attorney General Pam Bondi Federal

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Bureau of Investigation Director Cash Battel to make public these

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protected whistle blower disclosures in this issue. Where do things

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stand on that front? Have you gotten any movement on

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that front?

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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I think Pam Bondi and.

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Speaker 3: Cash Btel are absolutely dedicated to being transparent and provide

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that information to public.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't go as fast as I'd like it to.

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Speaker 3: It will show what we already know that there's grow

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tesque levels of partisanship within the Department Justice.

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Speaker 2: And the FBI.

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Speaker 3: That they were out, they targeted Donald Trump, they were

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out to get him. They're going to, you know, make

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up charges if nothing else are trying. You know, it's

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it's very similar to an entrapment type of situation. And

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so you know, if we get these documents, I think

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it's going to just confirm what we pretty well already

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know or and already suspect. And my concern about all

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the investigations I'm doing is, I mean, there's there's so

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much news occurring now. There's so many other abuses that

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are new that people are just finding about that they're

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going to uh focus on that. You know, once we

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wrap all this stuff up and get as much information

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as possible. And by the way, we'll never get all

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the information, you know, President Trump sort of the release

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of the JFK files. I mean, do you think all

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those files will ever be released? I mean, you know

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how many have already been destroyed? You know, my guess,

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the Shredders, the bleach Bit programs, all those things were

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running in high gear at the tail end of the

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buy administration. So I mean that's it's it's always been

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a problem for historians, and that's really what we're looking

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at right now, is we're trying to at least provide

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a more complete picture of the of the abuse, the

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partisanship within these federal agencies literally for deades and pretty

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much all targeting conservatives and Republicans at the for the

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benefit of Democrats and the left.

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Speaker 1: I think that's the reason that we shouldn't expect all

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of these documents to be released in the main because

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they've been destroyed. That's I think a big problem. So

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what you are doing, and you've talked about this before,

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you're trying to piece together puzzles with not all of

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the jigsaw pieces, and it's difficult, but you have had success,

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and I think you're going to have more success now

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in the majority in getting this information out there. I

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think what Americans want to know is Cash Battel is

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committed to cleaning up the FBI, Pam Bondi is committed

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to cleaning up the weaponized Department of Justice. But could

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something like this happen again? Given the Deep states existential

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crisis going on the Trump administration. The president is going

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after the swamp in the deep state. We know what

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happens to a rat when it is cornered. Are you

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concerned that this could continue to happen even though you

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have new leadership?

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 3: I mean one of the reasons that I announced very

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quickly after President trumpointing elections, is you should really appoint

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a Secretary of Information extraction. It's gonna be hard to me.

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I'm wordered with Bobby Candy right now. He wants a

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radical transparency. It's the snails pace again. The bureaucracy, the

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deep state can throw up so many roadblocks. They got

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this down.

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Speaker 2: To a t.

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Speaker 3: What they haven't destroyed, they still prevent from release. So

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now that this is going to be a long, hard

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slog trying to get this information I.

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Speaker 1: Made all the more difficult, of course, by activist judges.

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Wanted to get your thoughts on the latest from that front.

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There are multiple federal judges, many of them appointed by

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Barack Obama or Joe Biden, who are now exceeding their power.

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A lot of constitutional experts will tell you, I think

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the most glaring may be this battle that is going

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on about the Trump administration's ability to deport violent criminals,

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gang members, and terrorists. And we have a federal judge

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that appears to have overstepped his powers in trying to

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shut that down and thwart the executive branch. What do

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you think about all that is happening on the judicial side.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think the courts generally under the direction of

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radical left jurists that are really not judges. They alter

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the law, they're super legislators, they legislate from the bench.

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I think they've exceeded their constitutional authority and they need

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to be reigned back in. And it really is going

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to be up to the Supreme Court, I think, is

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the only institution that can really do this to its

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district courts. But no, you know, these nationwide injunctions being

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proclaimed and issued by a district court judges is.

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Speaker 2: Completely out of control.

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Speaker 3: I think Justice Thomas has talked about this and really

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encourage Justice Roberts and his colleagues to take up some

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of these cases so they can reign it in. There's

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a good article in the Wallshair Journal that ran on

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Wednesday that really kind of lays out exactly what the

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Supreme Court can and really should do to this. But again,

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our founders were geniuses. They set up these three branches

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of government that they're supposed to be checking balance on

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each other, assuming that each branch would jealously guard their

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own constitution authorities and not be trampled on by another branch.

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And that's really what President Trump is doing he's being

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criticized by Justice Roberts. Well, if you know, if you

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don't want President Trump to criticize the ujiciary, you ought

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to fix it because it's a real problem. You know,

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Justice Thomas realizes that. Justice Roberts better realize it too,

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and rain this judicial abuse reined it in.

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Speaker 1: Well, the leftists weren't really concerned when Joe Biden, or

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at least his auto pen, we're putting together all kinds

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of executive orders that clearly exceeded the constitutional boundaries, and

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he got to support Joe Biden did from some of

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these same leftist judges. Of course, that ought to be

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concerning to Chief Justice Roberts. Why do you think he

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has not acted thus far to clean up these problems

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in what a lot of folks are calling, understandably a

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rogue judiciary.

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Speaker 3: I can't really answer in terms of what his thinking

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is or what his motives.

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Speaker 2: Aren't sure, but again, this is.

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Speaker 3: The problem we have with our courts, and we need

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to recognize it and we need to fix it.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to talk to you about something that I

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think is extremely important you've been working on for some time,

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and that is the battle against fentanyl. It ties into

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exactly what we're talking about, cleaning up the border, making

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sure that we have a border in the fentanyl problem,

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There's no doubt about it. The reason why it is

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such a crisis in this country is because of the

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open border policies of the previous administration. You have been

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working with local folks on this in Wisconsin for a

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long time. I think you've been able to accomplish a

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great deal. I think about my friend Laurie Badoura. You've

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been working with her for a long time. Her story

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is sadly like so many stories out there, moms dads

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who have lost their children because of the scourge of fentanyl.

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Give us an update on where legislation stands, the work

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that you've been doing on this front to get a

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handle on this crisis.

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Speaker 3: Well, the Senate passed a bill that was really patterned

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off of the SOFA Act, which recognize is these analogs

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of fetanol so that they are all classified as you know,

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the dangerous drug and you know they can be treated

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such by DEA because what was happening is the Chinese

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is they're producing these drugs would just change the molecule

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a little bit and all of a sudden, it's not

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on the schedule and it can't be enforced against what

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like you do, the criminal class types of drugs. So

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that that's good news that that will pass. But you

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know the problem is we have a demand for these drugs,

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and you have a country like China that is using

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this to poison America. You know, when I was chairing

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Homeland Security and touring Central America with the then the

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head of Southern Command, General Kelly, and you know, talking

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to the people DA and people interdicting drugs. You know,

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at most we interdict about ten percent of whatever drug

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you know, marijuana or meth amphetamine or cocaine or fetanyl

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in manufacturing.

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Speaker 2: We call that.

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Speaker 3: Scrap and it's just cost of doing business. So I

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don't think we'll ever solve this problem by interdicting. You know,

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even if you close the border. When I was chairming,

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we held hearing eight hundred pounds of precursor chemicals those

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come from China. Eight hundred dollars of precursor chemicals can

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be converted to eight hundred thousand dollars of street value drugs.

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So when there's that much profit motive. Now again, Biden's

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open border made it easy for the drug traffickers, for

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China to send the precursed chemicals into Mexico, for them

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to produce the tablets, the counterfeit pills that are so dangerous.

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When people think they're taking a prescription drug and they're

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you know, they're dead within minutes, if not hours. Again,

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it's a huge problem. But again I wish there was

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an easy solution to this. But the primary solution is

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how do you reduce demand. I mean, we've got to

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do a far better job educating our children, which is

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one of the reasons every group of young people I

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meet with and now I do I tell and be

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thankful for what your parents and your teachers and your

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school administrators are doing.

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Speaker 2: That you've lived in this country, but please don't do drugs.

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Speaker 3: Life is precious, it's not worth throwing away.

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Speaker 2: So we just really do need.

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Speaker 3: I know Nancy Reagan was criticized and ridiculed for just

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say no, that we need to tell our kids, just

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say no.

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Speaker 2: We have to teach them to danger this stuff.

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Speaker 1: And that's the thing too. I mean, it's always been

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danger It's Nancy Reagan and the Americans knew that in

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the nineteen eighties. It's gotten so much more dangerous with

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these opioids introduced, particularly fentanyl, And you think about how

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many I just you know, as a parent, as any parent,

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you know, as a parent of three children, I think

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about the dangers. I hear about the dangers in our

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American high schools on a regular basis. And now you're

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seeing this stuff introduced in in vaping and all of

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those sorts of things. There are choices that people make,

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but you're right. Until you can get a handle on

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the market and the incentive in that market, we're going

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to continue to battle this. But let me ask you

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how much so far we've seen rapid action from the

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Trump administration on the border. How much do you believe

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that is helping the problem, at least with distribution.

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Speaker 3: Well, it'll help, but it's not going to stop it.

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It's it's not in the end of solution. So I

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don't think anybody you know, so one hundred cent secure

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the border. It's going to make it more difficult. We'll

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probably drive the price up, but again, which will reduce demand.

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I mean, it is a free market from that standpoint,

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but it's still going to continue. And again, the difference

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you know, in my day, drugs would just destroy your life.

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I mean there were some, there were hero and overdoses

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when I was growing up, but nothing like fetanol.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The stories I hear of, you know, you know the

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one that is always haunts me as a father telling

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me about his daughter who they they recovered her, you know,

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they got her back back from the home and they

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getting her clean, and you know, he wakes up one

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morning and she's sitting in front of the TV with

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a bowl of popcorn dead.

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Speaker 2: Oh just you know, she's see there.

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Speaker 3: Trying to watch TV, and she took you know, counterfeit

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pill Fenohl. You just stop breathing. Yeah, you know, it's

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just so again, we need to educate our children. This

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is what happens. You want to stay awake for a

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test when you go away to college, and that pill,

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do not trust it. Maybe the last breath you take.

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Speaker 2: So the drug drugs today are deadly. Drugs have always

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destroyed people's lives. Now they will end your life.

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Speaker 1: Lord, how horrifying that must be to wake up in

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the morning and see your child there all so senselessly.

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It's just it's so very tragic. But the work is

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is so very important. You've been very generous at the time.

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I appreciate it, knowing you've got to get back you

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have votes to day. The final question for you tying

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it all back to this critical Wisconsin Supreme Court race.

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Where do you see all of this heading on April first?

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm hoping for.

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Speaker 3: Victory so we can have a conservative majority on Wisconsin

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Supreme Court and we can say Wisconsin.

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Speaker 2: Yes, indeed.

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Speaker 1: But hope is one thing. Action is another. Do you

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think that Conservatives republic the Republican Party has done enough

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to get people out to the polls.

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Speaker 2: Done a lot of stuff.

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Speaker 3: I'll be on Brad Schimmel's bus tour here this weekend,

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so trying to gin up support as well. And I

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know Brad has worked tirelessly. He's been working tirelessly for

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you know, well over a year. You see, you can't.

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You can't have a more harder working candidate than what

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Brad has proven himself to be. So the candidate has

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done his job. There, people you know support him done

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their job. That's up to conservatives to recognize how important

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this race is. And again, one point seven million came

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out and voted for Donald Trump. There's no reason we

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can't get a whole lot better turnout than we got

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for Dan Kelly. There's no reason we shouldn't win this race.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, I can tell you this as a guy who's

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covered Wisconsin politics for feels like a couple of centuries now.

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Brad Shimmel is no tuba player, and I think Wisconsin

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will get Those who have seen the Supreme Court elections

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in Wisconsin covered them over the last several years, we'll

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get the reference. Appreciate your time, sir as always, keep

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up the good fight, have great days, stay well you too.

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Thanks to my guest today, Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin,

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you've been listening to another edition of the Federalist Radio Hour.

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I'm Matt Kittle, Senior Elections correspondent at the Federalist. We'll

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be back soon with more. Until then, stay lovers of freedom.

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I'm anxious for the frame.

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Speaker 3: I heard the fame voice the Reason and then it

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faded away. Mm hmm