WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.520 This is Dan Kaplis and welcome to today's online podcast 2 00:00:03.640 --> 00:00:05.719 edition of The Dan Caplis Show. Please be sure to 3 00:00:05.759 --> 00:00:08.240 give us a five star rating if you'd be so kind, 4 00:00:08.320 --> 00:00:11.599 and to subscribe, download and listen to the show every 5 00:00:11.679 --> 00:00:14.720 single day on your favorite podcast platform. 6 00:00:15.199 --> 00:00:17.600 Welcome back to the Dan Kapla Show. I'm Christy Verton Brown. 7 00:00:17.640 --> 00:00:20.359 Thanks for joining us tonight. Dan is in trial, so 8 00:00:20.559 --> 00:00:22.920 you are stuck with me. I would like to play 9 00:00:22.920 --> 00:00:25.800 a clip that Ryan found for us over the break. 10 00:00:25.839 --> 00:00:27.519 He always is great at finding all the clips you 11 00:00:27.519 --> 00:00:30.519 could ever possibly want. But this one is from a 12 00:00:30.559 --> 00:00:34.520 new representative in Colorado, Cecilia Espinoza from HT four. 13 00:00:34.320 --> 00:00:36.079 Which I believe is right in the heart of Denver. 14 00:00:36.479 --> 00:00:40.920 She is talking about the patriarchical British monarchy of old 15 00:00:41.479 --> 00:00:45.920 as a perfect example of how we should view children 16 00:00:46.399 --> 00:00:49.719 here in Colorado, you know, rather than parental rights or 17 00:00:49.759 --> 00:00:53.640 any crazy idea like that, the patriarchal British monarchy is 18 00:00:53.679 --> 00:00:54.920 apparently the way to go. 19 00:00:55.960 --> 00:00:59.000 So the notion that parents have rights have always reigned 20 00:00:59.000 --> 00:01:04.400 supreme is not in our English Saxon history, but rather 21 00:01:04.519 --> 00:01:06.959 that there was always a recognition that the state had 22 00:01:06.959 --> 00:01:10.120 an interest in protecting the rights of children, and that 23 00:01:10.319 --> 00:01:12.879 was balanced by the best interest of the child doctrine 24 00:01:12.879 --> 00:01:14.760 which we see in much of the case, which my 25 00:01:14.879 --> 00:01:18.319 colleague from never referred to, which balances the rights of 26 00:01:18.319 --> 00:01:20.480 the parents and the child in this other context of. 27 00:01:20.760 --> 00:01:22.879 Issues, And in light of all of. 28 00:01:22.799 --> 00:01:25.359 That and my knowledge of the history of how those 29 00:01:25.439 --> 00:01:29.040 rights of children have been balanced over time, I would 30 00:01:29.319 --> 00:01:31.439 just I will have to say that I will be 31 00:01:31.439 --> 00:01:32.120 ann tonight. 32 00:01:32.480 --> 00:01:32.840 Okay. 33 00:01:32.959 --> 00:01:35.959 So balancing rights of parents and kids, that's her opinion 34 00:01:36.000 --> 00:01:38.920 of what you should do. And to look for an example, 35 00:01:39.000 --> 00:01:42.120 she decides we should base it on English history, the 36 00:01:42.239 --> 00:01:45.560 very country that we rebelled against, had a revolution against 37 00:01:45.599 --> 00:01:49.560 to establish our own better system of governments. It's not 38 00:01:49.640 --> 00:01:53.359 like Britain was some you know, novel, wonderful place of 39 00:01:53.519 --> 00:01:56.840 how they treated children and what rights they gave children 40 00:01:56.920 --> 00:01:59.680 back in the seventeen hundreds. So no idea what she's 41 00:01:59.719 --> 00:02:02.319 actually talking about there, as far as you know, good 42 00:02:02.319 --> 00:02:06.719 examples and quality law, but even the idea that she's 43 00:02:06.799 --> 00:02:09.000 trying to set this out as well, you know, in 44 00:02:09.159 --> 00:02:11.520 English history, if we pay attention to that, as opposed 45 00:02:11.520 --> 00:02:13.800 to I don't know, maybe American history, because we live 46 00:02:13.800 --> 00:02:16.960 in America her idea that we should be balancing the 47 00:02:17.039 --> 00:02:20.280 rights of parents and kids. Note that they are specifically 48 00:02:20.479 --> 00:02:24.000 not talking about life and death situations. In fact, when 49 00:02:24.039 --> 00:02:27.000 you talk about life and death situations abortion, for example, 50 00:02:27.319 --> 00:02:30.199 they hugely reject the idea that you should balance the 51 00:02:30.280 --> 00:02:32.639 rights of the mother and the child and try to 52 00:02:32.680 --> 00:02:34.639 help them both live, and you know, let's make sure 53 00:02:34.680 --> 00:02:37.080 they both have the right to life constitutionally, so that 54 00:02:37.159 --> 00:02:39.039 the child can then go on to live and have 55 00:02:39.120 --> 00:02:41.319 a right to liberty and a right to own property 56 00:02:41.360 --> 00:02:43.159 and all these rights we supposedly, you know, hold so 57 00:02:43.280 --> 00:02:45.840 dear on this side of the aisle. But no, they 58 00:02:45.879 --> 00:02:47.840 are not talking about that. In fact, they'd come down 59 00:02:47.879 --> 00:02:50.159 completely on the opposite end of the spectrum if you're 60 00:02:50.159 --> 00:02:52.560 talking about that kind of a kind of a situation. 61 00:02:52.840 --> 00:02:53.840 Instead, when they're talking. 62 00:02:53.719 --> 00:02:57.000 About balancing the rights of kids with their parents, they're 63 00:02:57.000 --> 00:02:59.919 talking about what names kids get to call themselves in school. 64 00:03:00.080 --> 00:03:03.639 They're talking about gender transitioning. If the child agrees with 65 00:03:03.680 --> 00:03:06.360 the gender ideology the state has decided to adopt and 66 00:03:06.400 --> 00:03:09.319 the parent doesn't like, well, let's go ahead and take 67 00:03:09.360 --> 00:03:12.000 custody away from the parents. That is literally a bill 68 00:03:12.039 --> 00:03:14.560 that was run this session and very nearly passed. In 69 00:03:14.680 --> 00:03:18.120 that version the bill House Bill thirteen twelve did actually pass, 70 00:03:18.199 --> 00:03:21.039 but that portion was stripped out close to the last minute. 71 00:03:21.080 --> 00:03:24.400 Actually still ended up being a terrible bill at least 72 00:03:24.520 --> 00:03:27.759 that was taken out. But Representative Espinoza like wanted those 73 00:03:27.879 --> 00:03:30.240 kind of things. So when they talk about balancing the 74 00:03:30.319 --> 00:03:32.000 rights of parents and kids, they are not talking about 75 00:03:32.080 --> 00:03:35.879 like the death situations. They are talking about ideology situations 76 00:03:35.479 --> 00:03:38.159 when they think they've got the child on the side 77 00:03:38.159 --> 00:03:40.680 of the state and they want to let the kid 78 00:03:40.960 --> 00:03:43.120 go against the parent. So that is actually what they're 79 00:03:43.120 --> 00:03:45.840 talking about. I think a valid question as well that 80 00:03:45.840 --> 00:03:48.639 we should be asking, is okay if people in control 81 00:03:48.639 --> 00:03:51.159 of the legislature here in the government in Colorado think 82 00:03:51.680 --> 00:03:54.240 that the government should be in charge of children, be 83 00:03:54.319 --> 00:03:57.319 in charge of implementing their rights or religious wards of 84 00:03:57.360 --> 00:03:59.599 the state. If you actually listen to a longer clip 85 00:04:00.080 --> 00:04:02.840 represented Espinosa as she goes into even more detail double 86 00:04:02.840 --> 00:04:05.439 the time talking about children as wards of the state, 87 00:04:06.159 --> 00:04:09.120 the government like sharing responsibility for children instead of parents, 88 00:04:09.400 --> 00:04:11.439 we should it's develop thant to ask the question, how 89 00:04:11.479 --> 00:04:15.000 well does the state of Colorado actually protect kids? What's 90 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:16.800 their track record. What kind of laws do we have 91 00:04:16.839 --> 00:04:17.639 here in Colorado. 92 00:04:17.879 --> 00:04:21.600 Well, there's a lot of stories in news recently about 93 00:04:21.959 --> 00:04:25.000 schools not doing such a great job of protecting kids, 94 00:04:25.040 --> 00:04:29.480 specifically Jeffco Schools and to that point, Jeffco Kids First, 95 00:04:29.519 --> 00:04:34.720 Lindsay Datco founding that organization. Over thirty different cases of 96 00:04:34.920 --> 00:04:39.120 child abuse, sexual and otherwise by adults and positions of 97 00:04:39.199 --> 00:04:44.279 trust be the administrators, faculty members, staff, and a lot 98 00:04:44.319 --> 00:04:47.920 of times these stories are buried because they're inconvenient to 99 00:04:47.959 --> 00:04:51.199 the school districts themselves. We saw the grooming story at 100 00:04:51.199 --> 00:04:54.879 a Columbine high school where a high school sophomore age fifteen, 101 00:04:54.920 --> 00:04:58.279 had a social studies teacher who was grooming her. A 102 00:04:58.279 --> 00:05:02.040 female teacher and a lesbian relationlationship that ultimately saw the 103 00:05:02.079 --> 00:05:05.279 young woman turn eighteen and move in with the teacher 104 00:05:05.319 --> 00:05:08.360 that groomed her. Yes, And but for the efforts of 105 00:05:08.439 --> 00:05:12.079 those uncovering the facts of this case, that teacher wasn't disciplined, 106 00:05:12.360 --> 00:05:15.759 that teacher wasn't fired. That teacher simply was allowed to 107 00:05:15.839 --> 00:05:18.319 leave of her own accord, and then subsequently he had 108 00:05:18.360 --> 00:05:19.720 her teaching license removed. 109 00:05:19.800 --> 00:05:21.120 But she moved to California. 110 00:05:21.240 --> 00:05:21.959 Yeah, she did to. 111 00:05:21.879 --> 00:05:24.279 Get away from it all, to hide from the situation 112 00:05:24.360 --> 00:05:25.839 that she was creating, and who knows how many other 113 00:05:25.920 --> 00:05:26.839 kids it was created with. 114 00:05:27.040 --> 00:05:30.720 I kind of turned into the sheriff from Stranger Things 115 00:05:31.600 --> 00:05:34.120 and I go back in time, you know, like I said, 116 00:05:35.000 --> 00:05:36.639 as part of gen X. And I'm pretty old now, 117 00:05:36.639 --> 00:05:39.720 I'm fifty, but still like my parents, especially my mom, 118 00:05:39.800 --> 00:05:42.480 but they would be like, my kid has the rights 119 00:05:42.480 --> 00:05:45.720 that I give him, yeah, and nothing more and nothing 120 00:05:45.800 --> 00:05:46.600 less than that. 121 00:05:46.600 --> 00:05:46.920 That's it. 122 00:05:47.120 --> 00:05:50.000 We make the call and the decisions on him, what 123 00:05:50.079 --> 00:05:52.560 he can do and what he can watch, on the 124 00:05:52.639 --> 00:05:55.480 medical procedures that he might have, the things that he 125 00:05:55.560 --> 00:05:56.399 might do to his body. 126 00:05:56.439 --> 00:05:58.000 Talking about me, talk about. 127 00:05:57.720 --> 00:05:59.759 Me, I know, well, I mean that's part of being 128 00:05:59.800 --> 00:06:01.839 a child, is we all go through. And it's actually 129 00:06:01.839 --> 00:06:04.560 a healthy thing to go through in life. You are 130 00:06:04.560 --> 00:06:07.279 actually a subject to someone else's authority for a part 131 00:06:07.680 --> 00:06:09.839 of your life when you are learning and growing and 132 00:06:09.879 --> 00:06:11.800 becoming an adult, like you're a normal part of it. 133 00:06:11.839 --> 00:06:14.439 You're a child, you're a minor, you're a dependent. 134 00:06:14.600 --> 00:06:17.439 You're not an adult. You're not capable of making those decisions. 135 00:06:17.439 --> 00:06:19.959 That's why you have parents. I don't understand the whole 136 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:24.439 mindset or argument. No, these kids are their parents' kids 137 00:06:24.800 --> 00:06:26.639 until or unless that you can show that there's a 138 00:06:26.680 --> 00:06:29.480 gregious abuse, and in those cases you remove them from 139 00:06:29.519 --> 00:06:32.759 the home. But different short of that, I'm talking like 140 00:06:32.800 --> 00:06:35.600 a very high bar Christie. Oh yeah, not just I 141 00:06:35.680 --> 00:06:39.439 disagree with my son or daughter's gender identity, and. 142 00:06:39.360 --> 00:06:41.879 I we'll let them have something they want. I won't 143 00:06:41.879 --> 00:06:43.040 pay for their surgery right now? 144 00:06:43.279 --> 00:06:43.399 No? 145 00:06:43.920 --> 00:06:44.120 What? 146 00:06:44.519 --> 00:06:44.800 Hell? 147 00:06:44.839 --> 00:06:48.040 No? Well, and you brought up Jefferson County schools and 148 00:06:48.079 --> 00:06:48.720 I'm glad you did. 149 00:06:48.800 --> 00:06:49.079 Ryan. 150 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:51.759 I have met with Lindsay dat Co personally, which I 151 00:06:51.759 --> 00:06:53.000 think is a really good thing to do. You hear 152 00:06:53.040 --> 00:06:54.879 these stories people say, and then you're like, Okay, I 153 00:06:54.920 --> 00:06:56.959 want to meet with you in person and see how legitimate. 154 00:06:56.959 --> 00:07:00.399 This is extremely legitimate. She has data to back up 155 00:07:00.560 --> 00:07:03.759 research story. She knows what she's talking about. Anyone listening 156 00:07:03.759 --> 00:07:05.680 should look her up and look up everything she's uncovered 157 00:07:05.759 --> 00:07:07.920 in the Jefferson County schools. But specifically, here's a piece 158 00:07:07.959 --> 00:07:10.680 that she put out recently. There's a paper called the 159 00:07:10.759 --> 00:07:14.319 McKinney Vento Paperwork, and basically what it is is a 160 00:07:14.399 --> 00:07:17.600 school can sign this paper and basically help declare a 161 00:07:17.720 --> 00:07:20.639 child homeless so it is supposed to be in situations 162 00:07:20.639 --> 00:07:22.319 where the child actually does not have a parent or 163 00:07:22.360 --> 00:07:23.560 guardian taking care of them. 164 00:07:23.600 --> 00:07:25.399 Of course, those situations exist on occasion. 165 00:07:26.079 --> 00:07:29.680 Shocker, Jefferson County School District has the highest number of 166 00:07:29.759 --> 00:07:32.519 McKinney vento paperwork filed of any school district in the 167 00:07:32.639 --> 00:07:35.319 entire state, and they do not, at the same time 168 00:07:35.439 --> 00:07:38.160 have the highest homeless population in the state Denver, actually, 169 00:07:38.240 --> 00:07:41.120 does I believe if I read it right, And Jefferson 170 00:07:41.160 --> 00:07:44.439 County way above Denver with a number of pieces of 171 00:07:44.439 --> 00:07:47.920 paper filed four children. And there's story after story in 172 00:07:48.040 --> 00:07:52.600 jeffco where the parents didn't even know that administrator's teachers 173 00:07:52.639 --> 00:07:55.399 whoever at the school was helping kids get this paperwork 174 00:07:55.480 --> 00:07:57.680 signed so that the kids could get away from the 175 00:07:57.720 --> 00:08:00.360 parents and not be under the parents' authority. Often involve 176 00:08:00.439 --> 00:08:02.959 gender ideology, though it's not actually the issue that was 177 00:08:03.519 --> 00:08:07.319 there In every single case, they're just uncovering the different 178 00:08:07.319 --> 00:08:09.480 situations where this happened. They don't even know all the 179 00:08:09.519 --> 00:08:13.360 scenarios and details yet, but just to shear, a number 180 00:08:13.399 --> 00:08:16.199 of times this paperwork has been filed by jeff coo 181 00:08:16.319 --> 00:08:20.480 administrators with kids and without parents knowledge It's like, if 182 00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:23.000 you have a parent that doesn't know about it, you're 183 00:08:23.000 --> 00:08:25.319 not supposed to be signing this paperwork because there's a 184 00:08:25.360 --> 00:08:27.160 parent that's in charge of this kid, that's taking care 185 00:08:27.199 --> 00:08:29.079 of this kid, that this kid is living with. So 186 00:08:29.480 --> 00:08:32.279 a complete misuse of the paperwork. From everything I've heard, 187 00:08:32.480 --> 00:08:34.960 the details are still being uncovered, but just one more 188 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:38.279 example of how Jeffco is literally creating this wall the 189 00:08:38.320 --> 00:08:42.279 Jeffco School district, this wall between the schools, the kids 190 00:08:42.279 --> 00:08:44.399 and the parents, and the parents are the ones finding 191 00:08:44.440 --> 00:08:45.440 themselves on the outside. 192 00:08:45.480 --> 00:08:46.240 They're boxed out. 193 00:08:46.399 --> 00:08:48.519 I think personally, I know there's a lot of messed 194 00:08:48.559 --> 00:08:50.519 up school districts in the state. I think Jeffco and 195 00:08:50.600 --> 00:08:53.320 Cherry Creek are two of the worst. And I say 196 00:08:53.320 --> 00:08:54.960 this from having talked to a number of people on 197 00:08:55.000 --> 00:08:57.559 the inside, being on the state Board of Education, and 198 00:08:57.639 --> 00:09:00.000 there's so many problematic things going on in both of them. 199 00:09:00.360 --> 00:09:03.279 And that is so devastating because when I first moved 200 00:09:03.279 --> 00:09:06.720 here Christy in twenty eighteen, I moved I live in 201 00:09:06.720 --> 00:09:09.120 Greenwood Village. I am in the Cherry Creek School district. 202 00:09:09.120 --> 00:09:11.519 I was told and I saw in publications and magazines 203 00:09:11.559 --> 00:09:12.639 that Cherry Creek schools. 204 00:09:12.799 --> 00:09:15.480 Yeah, that's what I heard with the elite, premier. 205 00:09:15.159 --> 00:09:19.200 Public school system in the state of Colorado and even nationwide. 206 00:09:19.320 --> 00:09:19.679 Mm hmm. 207 00:09:19.960 --> 00:09:22.080 And now we watch what it's become, right right. 208 00:09:22.120 --> 00:09:24.159 And when I say they're two of the worst districts 209 00:09:24.159 --> 00:09:26.679 in the state, I am talking about four districts. When 210 00:09:26.720 --> 00:09:29.639 you're looking at the perspective of districts that separate parents 211 00:09:29.639 --> 00:09:32.080 from the equation and say we no longer need parents 212 00:09:32.080 --> 00:09:33.720 to get involved. So if you're a parent, you're not 213 00:09:33.759 --> 00:09:36.519 sending your kid to school just for academic success. I mean, 214 00:09:36.840 --> 00:09:39.519 look at the troubling numbers of academic success in these 215 00:09:39.519 --> 00:09:40.120 schools too. 216 00:09:40.399 --> 00:09:42.399 But like, let's set that to the side, because. 217 00:09:42.200 --> 00:09:44.039 You know, in some schools they perform better than other 218 00:09:44.039 --> 00:09:46.200 schools across the state, but not in every Cherry Creek 219 00:09:46.200 --> 00:09:47.600 and Jeffco school but in some of them they do. 220 00:09:48.320 --> 00:09:49.759 But if you're a parent, you care about more than that. 221 00:09:49.799 --> 00:09:51.679 You're like, I'm trusting these people to do the right 222 00:09:51.720 --> 00:09:53.480 thing with my child while I'm at work and they're 223 00:09:53.519 --> 00:09:57.080 at school. You cannot trust that in many instances in 224 00:09:57.120 --> 00:10:00.720 Jeffco and Cherry Creek school districts, in particulars Doc mended evidence, 225 00:10:00.840 --> 00:10:03.679 documented stories, not saying it happens in every school with 226 00:10:03.720 --> 00:10:07.360 every teacher, but it is way too widespread in these districts. 227 00:10:07.480 --> 00:10:10.519 Parents should be on notice, questioned it themselves, and go 228 00:10:10.559 --> 00:10:12.399 find out what kind of a scenario your child is 229 00:10:12.440 --> 00:10:15.559 in if they're in any school district, but particularly these two. 230 00:10:15.879 --> 00:10:18.039 I'm Christy Britton Brown. You're on the Dan Kapla Show. 231 00:10:18.039 --> 00:10:19.519 We'll cover more when we come back. You can call 232 00:10:19.559 --> 00:10:21.440 in over the break eight five five four zero five 233 00:10:21.480 --> 00:10:22.480 eight two five five. 234 00:10:29.639 --> 00:10:32.000 And now back to the dan Kaplas Show podcast. 235 00:10:32.919 --> 00:10:35.159 The government's view, or at least a view shared by 236 00:10:35.159 --> 00:10:38.240 sub legislators here in Colorado, that children are just well 237 00:10:38.360 --> 00:10:39.799 wards of the state, or at least that's how we 238 00:10:39.840 --> 00:10:42.279 should consider them, because after all, that's what the British 239 00:10:42.320 --> 00:10:45.519 monarchy did, and since that's in our English history, that's 240 00:10:45.559 --> 00:10:47.600 what America should do. No no thought to the point 241 00:10:47.600 --> 00:10:49.440 that we threw off all those restraints when we had 242 00:10:49.480 --> 00:10:53.159 our revolution and created our own constitution, and you know, 243 00:10:53.240 --> 00:10:56.080 our own Supreme Court has said that the constitution actually 244 00:10:56.120 --> 00:11:00.159 recognizes parental rights. I mean, novel idea. These these people 245 00:11:00.159 --> 00:11:02.399 who raise these children in their homes, maybe you should 246 00:11:02.399 --> 00:11:04.440 have the right to actually make some decisions for them, 247 00:11:04.519 --> 00:11:07.279 rather than the government that doesn't even meet every child. 248 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:09.120 So, Celia, you're breaking my heart. 249 00:11:09.200 --> 00:11:10.600 I think you got to play the whole bit, the 250 00:11:10.799 --> 00:11:13.440 long because a long form of it really gets into 251 00:11:13.480 --> 00:11:15.840 the details, and again it'll make your head spin. 252 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:16.559 I think we should. 253 00:11:16.600 --> 00:11:18.559 I'm going to do that, and then I want to 254 00:11:18.600 --> 00:11:20.879 tell people I said the question should be, so listen 255 00:11:20.919 --> 00:11:22.919 to this clip with this thought in mind. The question 256 00:11:23.000 --> 00:11:25.960 should be, if the government thinks it is qualified to 257 00:11:26.039 --> 00:11:28.240 do this for your children and take care of your children, 258 00:11:28.480 --> 00:11:30.480 it is valid to ask the question, how well is 259 00:11:30.480 --> 00:11:32.080 the government actually protecting our kids? 260 00:11:32.120 --> 00:11:32.480 Right now? 261 00:11:32.559 --> 00:11:34.919 We talked about school districts in the last clip of 262 00:11:34.919 --> 00:11:37.559 this show, but I also want to talk about actual 263 00:11:37.679 --> 00:11:40.919 state law when it comes to crimes against children. So 264 00:11:41.000 --> 00:11:42.720 keep that in mind. We'll cover that after we play 265 00:11:42.759 --> 00:11:47.240 this long clip of Representative Espinoza talking about how children 266 00:11:47.279 --> 00:11:48.399 should be treated in Colorado. 267 00:11:49.000 --> 00:11:51.840 Under English common law, it was recognized that the care 268 00:11:51.879 --> 00:11:54.840 of all infants is lodged in the king has parents 269 00:11:54.919 --> 00:11:58.919 patriari and by the King, this care is delegated to 270 00:11:58.960 --> 00:12:03.159 the Court of Chancery. In protecting neglected independent children, chance 271 00:12:03.159 --> 00:12:06.320 three courts use what are called equitable powers, the essential 272 00:12:06.399 --> 00:12:10.120 ideas of which our flexibility, guardianship and the balancing of 273 00:12:10.159 --> 00:12:12.799 interest in the general welfare with a view to getting 274 00:12:12.799 --> 00:12:15.759 a fair result than could be obtained by applying applying 275 00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:19.440 older and more rigid roles. So the notion that parents 276 00:12:19.480 --> 00:12:22.759 have rights have always reigned supreme is not in our 277 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:27.480 English Saxon history, but rather that there was always a 278 00:12:27.519 --> 00:12:29.919 recognition that the state had an interest in protecting the 279 00:12:29.960 --> 00:12:33.600 rights of children, and that was balanced by the best 280 00:12:33.600 --> 00:12:35.480 interests of the child doctrine, which we see in much 281 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:38.159 of the case law which my colleague from Denver referred to, 282 00:12:38.720 --> 00:12:41.080 which balances the rights of the parents and the child, 283 00:12:41.080 --> 00:12:43.039 and this other context of issues. 284 00:12:43.720 --> 00:12:45.919 And in light of all of that, and my knowledge. 285 00:12:45.559 --> 00:12:48.120 Of the history of how those rights of children have 286 00:12:48.200 --> 00:12:52.480 been balanced over time, I would just I will have 287 00:12:52.519 --> 00:12:53.919 to say that I will be a known tonight. 288 00:12:54.120 --> 00:12:54.399 Okay. 289 00:12:54.399 --> 00:12:56.000 I can't get over the fact that she would really 290 00:12:56.080 --> 00:12:58.480 rather us consider English history. 291 00:12:58.279 --> 00:12:59.159 English Saxon. 292 00:12:59.720 --> 00:13:03.000 Are you you're the English Saxon history, not Anglo Saxon. 293 00:13:03.159 --> 00:13:04.639 No English English sex. 294 00:13:04.799 --> 00:13:06.759 I'm really sure that's a discrete and actu people that 295 00:13:06.759 --> 00:13:07.240 can be used. 296 00:13:07.240 --> 00:13:09.679 But nonetheless, I can't get over the fact that she 297 00:13:09.679 --> 00:13:10.600 wants to focus. 298 00:13:10.279 --> 00:13:12.600 On that instead of US Supreme Court precedent. 299 00:13:12.679 --> 00:13:15.360 Well, hold on, you're a lawyer, you on that she 300 00:13:15.559 --> 00:13:19.039 mentioned some precedent of case law in Colorado that supports 301 00:13:19.080 --> 00:13:19.759 what she was saying. 302 00:13:19.799 --> 00:13:20.240 Is that true? 303 00:13:20.399 --> 00:13:23.360 Not that I'm aware of. And I think she's confusing 304 00:13:23.399 --> 00:13:24.279 a few things too. 305 00:13:24.519 --> 00:13:27.200 When you look at like custody cases and abuse cases, 306 00:13:27.480 --> 00:13:29.799 courts do look at the best interests of children, like 307 00:13:30.200 --> 00:13:31.679 it is a standard that is used. 308 00:13:31.679 --> 00:13:32.879 She's just misusing it. 309 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:36.759 So my opinion is that she's misquoting cases in Colorado 310 00:13:36.840 --> 00:13:40.279 law that were or precedent that were very specific to 311 00:13:40.399 --> 00:13:43.159 abuse and custody and like which you know which parents 312 00:13:43.200 --> 00:13:45.080 should get more time with the children? Well, it's look 313 00:13:45.080 --> 00:13:47.200 at the best interests of the children. Are the children 314 00:13:47.279 --> 00:13:49.639 suffering and neglect or abuse? Okay, Well, then is it 315 00:13:49.639 --> 00:13:51.639 in the best interests of the child to put them 316 00:13:51.639 --> 00:13:55.639 in someone else's care? Like again, in abuse and neglect cases, 317 00:13:55.639 --> 00:13:58.240 that is a legitimate consideration. And it's sort of like 318 00:13:58.320 --> 00:14:00.879 one of the few responsibilities government does have when it 319 00:14:00.919 --> 00:14:04.000 comes to children is they are also people and citizens, 320 00:14:04.240 --> 00:14:06.720 and when their lives are at risk and their you know, 321 00:14:07.000 --> 00:14:09.440 bodies are being abused, and yeah, the government. 322 00:14:09.120 --> 00:14:10.559 Should step in and do something about it. 323 00:14:10.679 --> 00:14:13.240 But that is a rare scenario, and she's using that 324 00:14:13.279 --> 00:14:16.039 to say, oh, that's a blanket standard that when we 325 00:14:16.080 --> 00:14:17.799 look at anything involving parental rights. 326 00:14:17.840 --> 00:14:20.159 I mean, no, it should really be the best. 327 00:14:19.919 --> 00:14:23.039 Interest of the child, defined as what the child like 328 00:14:23.120 --> 00:14:25.120 to be called by a different name than the parents 329 00:14:25.159 --> 00:14:27.360 gave them at birth, with a child like to have 330 00:14:27.399 --> 00:14:29.759 their parents pay for some surgeries to you know, follow 331 00:14:29.759 --> 00:14:32.679 the state's gender ideology instead of the parents' own beliefs. 332 00:14:33.039 --> 00:14:35.279 Like that's where she would like to take it and apply. 333 00:14:35.399 --> 00:14:37.399 So I think she's miss speaking when it comes to Colorado. 334 00:14:37.399 --> 00:14:37.919 Okay, slaw. 335 00:14:38.559 --> 00:14:40.600 You know, there was a movie in the eighties called 336 00:14:40.759 --> 00:14:42.879 soul Man which could never be made today. I think 337 00:14:42.960 --> 00:14:44.480 Kelly remembers this one, but. 338 00:14:45.200 --> 00:14:46.600 I do not. There is a moornient. 339 00:14:47.720 --> 00:14:50.799 But tell me what if the kid, I mean, tell 340 00:14:50.840 --> 00:14:52.600 me how this is different or how it's worse. 341 00:14:52.600 --> 00:14:54.519 I don't think it's worse. I think it's not as bad, 342 00:14:54.600 --> 00:14:57.000 but it's still ridiculous. Goes to a pery. You know, 343 00:14:57.159 --> 00:14:57.879 it's a white kid. 344 00:14:58.279 --> 00:15:00.840 I'm black, and I want melanin and and I want 345 00:15:00.879 --> 00:15:03.440 to become a black young person who you pay for 346 00:15:03.480 --> 00:15:04.559 those for me, and I want to. 347 00:15:04.480 --> 00:15:07.399 Freak out, Well, yeah, it can be transracial. 348 00:15:07.440 --> 00:15:10.879 You can only be Transfender, according to rails Now, showed us. 349 00:15:10.799 --> 00:15:13.600 All that she could succeed in that endeavor. 350 00:15:13.720 --> 00:15:16.840 I know right, yes, now, I will say I know 351 00:15:16.960 --> 00:15:21.399 someone who at a at a very important workplace in 352 00:15:21.840 --> 00:15:24.879 Denver actually went to their HR manager because they disagreed 353 00:15:24.919 --> 00:15:27.240 with some of the standards that were being set out. 354 00:15:27.279 --> 00:15:29.039 And they said, well, I'd like to ask a question 355 00:15:29.600 --> 00:15:31.600 if I wanted. And this person was like white as 356 00:15:31.639 --> 00:15:34.240 white can be, and they're like, if I wanted to 357 00:15:34.360 --> 00:15:37.200 say that I was black for the HR department for 358 00:15:37.919 --> 00:15:39.720 for whatever my own purposes are, can I do that? 359 00:15:39.759 --> 00:15:42.639 And she was like, well, that would be up to you. 360 00:15:42.639 --> 00:15:44.639 You could do And this was actually a black HR 361 00:15:44.679 --> 00:15:47.399 director talking to a white guy. Wow, and she's more 362 00:15:47.480 --> 00:15:49.559 liberal and he just wanted to see what the answer 363 00:15:49.559 --> 00:15:51.399 would be. Of course, he would never do anything like that. 364 00:15:51.639 --> 00:15:53.480 He just wanted to see, like, would she come down 365 00:15:53.519 --> 00:15:55.879 on at least the consistent side. That's what I'm saying, 366 00:15:56.000 --> 00:15:58.240 Like she was at least consistent, but most aren't. They're 367 00:15:58.279 --> 00:15:59.639 like to be horrified by question. 368 00:15:59.720 --> 00:16:01.960 Like, well, credit to her because she kind of probably 369 00:16:02.000 --> 00:16:04.960 thought that through a few if you moves ahead on 370 00:16:05.000 --> 00:16:06.840 the chessboard, going oh, I see where this is going, 371 00:16:06.879 --> 00:16:08.919 and if I'm going to be intellectually honest. 372 00:16:09.039 --> 00:16:13.519 Then yeah, craft r own identity regardless of your biology. 373 00:16:13.840 --> 00:16:15.759 Then that applies to gender, it applies to race, it 374 00:16:15.759 --> 00:16:17.799 applies to ethnicity. It should apply to height, It should 375 00:16:17.799 --> 00:16:20.559 apply to weight, like I mean literally, it should. 376 00:16:20.320 --> 00:16:22.840 Apply to eight. And there's so many problems if you 377 00:16:22.840 --> 00:16:24.320 actually go down that road, and. 378 00:16:24.240 --> 00:16:25.480 That's the road. That's the road. 379 00:16:25.559 --> 00:16:29.600 The Senator Elizabeth Warren for years identified as an American Indian, 380 00:16:29.600 --> 00:16:32.480 benefited from scholarships and jobs because of it, and this 381 00:16:32.559 --> 00:16:34.919 is why she's rightfully. 382 00:16:34.440 --> 00:16:37.639 Called Pocahontas by President Trump. 383 00:16:37.679 --> 00:16:40.080 It's interesting that you bring that up because my son 384 00:16:40.159 --> 00:16:45.799 got into Florida State because he mistakenly me like checked 385 00:16:45.960 --> 00:16:48.159 the application as American Indian. 386 00:16:48.200 --> 00:16:50.919 Oh no, yeah, did he hold the Pocahontas. 387 00:16:51.039 --> 00:16:52.720 Did he have to tell them that it wasn't real? 388 00:16:52.840 --> 00:16:55.360 Well he didn't go oh it didn't go okay, yeah, 389 00:16:56.039 --> 00:17:01.879 but it was like, oh you did what? Oh no, 390 00:17:03.159 --> 00:17:05.559 I mean yeah, it gets you places as Elizabeth Warren. 391 00:17:05.440 --> 00:17:06.079 Is found. 392 00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:08.599 But it was not good. 393 00:17:09.160 --> 00:17:11.759 Yeah, no, I mean and honest reason will people correct 394 00:17:11.799 --> 00:17:14.759 that wouldn't pull us with Warren in that category. But 395 00:17:14.920 --> 00:17:16.960 since we are talking about children, and I want to 396 00:17:16.960 --> 00:17:18.400 get back to the state law on kids, this is 397 00:17:18.400 --> 00:17:20.119 the point I really want to make because I think 398 00:17:20.160 --> 00:17:22.400 few people know about it. George Brockler's a DA He's 399 00:17:22.400 --> 00:17:24.559 brought a lot of attention to this issue. But it 400 00:17:24.640 --> 00:17:27.400 is the law in Colorado concerning child sexual assault and 401 00:17:27.440 --> 00:17:30.920