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Speaker 5: On again with Sewn and Jonathan Jem Welcome to Meta Mystics,
Speaker 5: where you don't know what you don't know. My name's Jonathan,
Speaker 5: I'm Sean, and today we have a very very special guest,
Speaker 5: somebody who we've been looking forward to speaking to for
Speaker 5: quite some time now and very honored to be in
Speaker 5: your presence, Dana Kipple.
Speaker 4: Welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: Hi guys, thanks for having me. I'm so excited.
Speaker 5: This is going to be so much fun. Really really
Speaker 5: looking forward to this conversation you have. You have like
Speaker 5: taken social media by storm, at least at my algorithm.
Speaker 5: It has just constantly been blowing up for like a
Speaker 5: couple of years now. All I see is you, and
Speaker 5: I'm like always asmerized by everything that you got to
Speaker 5: say and all the things that you're pointing out and
Speaker 5: relating the spiritual world and the scientific world.
Speaker 4: I love that stuff.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Yeah, I mean I'm really trying. I you know,
Speaker 1: I feel like my I think all our purpose on earth,
Speaker 1: everyone's purpose is to express themselves and like what they
Speaker 1: really feel and think. And I just try to do
Speaker 1: that every day and right now, that's on social media.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's you know, through my books or movies and this.
Speaker 1: You know, the ten minute or three minute reels are
Speaker 1: like the quickest way for me to get stuff out
Speaker 1: and then move on.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, and those are those are some of my
Speaker 2: favorite as far as like someone just jumping in front
Speaker 2: of a microphone and just expressing their thought that the
Speaker 2: having right now, because those are the things that are
Speaker 2: very important. We can have an idea or an epiphany
Speaker 2: and kind of just go am I crazy, I don't know,
Speaker 2: and then you start doing something else and then it's
Speaker 2: proof it's just gone. And so I really appreciate that
Speaker 2: you're able to just jump on and do that. It
Speaker 2: seems like kind of a spur of the moment you
Speaker 2: just jump on and express that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not logical. It's like poetic. I guess it's
Speaker 1: kind of like you know, romantic poetry or something. But
Speaker 1: I would say I would say the more I let
Speaker 1: myself go, the more accurate actually is. And when I
Speaker 1: try to be logical or fact check, it's when it
Speaker 1: gets messed up. So I always think, you know, as
Speaker 1: long as I feel what I'm saying is true, that's
Speaker 1: all that matters. And my truth can change tomorrow. But
Speaker 1: I have this theory that when you're truly expressing yourself,
Speaker 1: you're a portal, right for that higher intelligence to come
Speaker 1: through to you or you and you guys will experience
Speaker 1: it differently. So all I have to do is express
Speaker 1: myself every day truly and the job will get done.
Speaker 1: So I don't really worry about being right or wrong.
Speaker 2: Definitely, Yeah, I would definitely appreciate that way more than
Speaker 2: somebody that's just kind of stuck in their ways and
Speaker 2: of the hive mind. As we were talking about kind
Speaker 2: of before we were recording. You know, we're just kind
Speaker 2: of the middle path kind of whatever you're feeling and
Speaker 2: that's what you're experiencing and nobody can tell you otherwise. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I was just thinking too, is that there's a lot
Speaker 5: of people that don't really put a lot of credence
Speaker 5: into their own thought, like into their own inner world,
Speaker 5: because how can you rely on man's own understanding, right,
Speaker 5: And I'm like, well, it's not necessarily that we're relying
Speaker 5: on our own understanding. It is going within to try
Speaker 5: and find some deeper wisdom because that's where you know,
Speaker 5: God is or whatever the divine intelligence is, Right it
Speaker 5: feels like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think I think it's a paradox. I
Speaker 1: think like we're supposed to rely on our understanding, and
Speaker 1: we're supposed to also go through understanding to that other
Speaker 1: side of intelligence, Like the dark tunnel is the understanding
Speaker 1: where we heal and grow, and there's tension, you know,
Speaker 1: it's they've demonized it right as the dark feminine or
Speaker 1: the siren or the demon, which is also known as
Speaker 1: a diamond, which means you're energenious. Yes, And then on
Speaker 1: the other side of that dark tunnel is like this
Speaker 1: neon fluorescent light of intelligence, and I you know, I
Speaker 1: know to get there, I have to go through the darkness.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, well that's and and that's usually what what
Speaker 5: happens is is that as soon as you emerge from
Speaker 5: the darkness or from the shadow, that you develop an
Speaker 5: entirely new understanding of yourself and of reality. And and
Speaker 5: it's it's just crazy. I mean anybody who goes through
Speaker 5: any kind of dark knight of the soul, whether it's
Speaker 5: some crazy event that happens in your life, or I
Speaker 5: mean you have a near death experience or you have
Speaker 5: like a crazy psychedelic trip that is just like okay,
Speaker 5: well nothing exists. So you know, like all of them
Speaker 5: can be really good teachers.
Speaker 1: Yes, I will say, because I've seen people come back
Speaker 1: from like psychedelic trips in ayahuasca, and I think they're
Speaker 1: great catalyst. Yes, But I think when people if people
Speaker 1: don't integrate it, that's when they'll get stuck in the
Speaker 1: whole existential crisis. And it's like, I feel like, I
Speaker 1: don't know how much to get into this, but I
Speaker 1: feel like when you have a meditative experience or a
Speaker 1: psychedelic experience, you can either be an extreme bliss or
Speaker 1: you end up on the other side of that. There's
Speaker 1: another side of a coin to everything, and that's complete darkness.
Speaker 1: So you feel like there's nothing, but there really is
Speaker 1: no such thing as nothing, it's everything. So it's you know,
Speaker 1: people that have seen that and felt that, I want
Speaker 1: to make them feel better. And like that doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that nothing matters and nothing doesn't exist. You just you know,
Speaker 1: got lost and you're in the flip side for whatever reason.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why sometimes the extremes can be a little dangerous.
Speaker 2: You know, you start leaning too far to one side
Speaker 2: that the pendulum, the pendulum naturally wants to swing, start
Speaker 2: to swing the other way, you know, and that's where
Speaker 2: you start to learn the lesson and go, wait a minute,
Speaker 2: you know, as true and authentic as I was being
Speaker 2: and how how I saw this thing as being true? Well,
Speaker 2: like now I'm looking at it kind of a different way,
Speaker 2: and it's cool to be open to that. You know,
Speaker 2: you've got to be open to being wrong. I think
Speaker 2: so many people are so afraid, the same people that
Speaker 2: are afraid to go into the darkness, So the same
Speaker 2: people that are afraid to be wrong. It's okay to
Speaker 2: be wrong.
Speaker 5: That's when you learn, Yeah, it's the middle path.
Speaker 1: It's it's yeah, it's not the bliss of the like,
Speaker 1: you know, everything's on a pedestal. I'm God, and it's
Speaker 1: not the like I'm a demon either, it's the Rainbow Serpent, it's.
Speaker 4: It on you know.
Speaker 5: Just before the show, I found this book that I
Speaker 5: was that I had bought like a while ago, and
Speaker 5: for some reason I never read it, and and it's
Speaker 5: it's the Corpus Hermeticum.
Speaker 4: Have you ever heard of this?
Speaker 1: Yes, I think I've read it. Do you have it
Speaker 1: on you or no?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: What does it look like? See?
Speaker 5: Well this is it's in better English, but it's the
Speaker 5: Way of Hermes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've read a bunch of those things, but I
Speaker 1: know about it. Tell me, what are you thinking?
Speaker 5: Oh my god, I only read the first book. And
Speaker 5: so it's a compendium of seven of seventeen books, and
Speaker 5: and a lot of them it's it's just Hermes talking
Speaker 5: or somebody else talking, and it's all just like kind
Speaker 5: of inward conversation that you're having with the all essentially.
Speaker 5: And in the first book is about the Poimanders or
Speaker 5: Poimanders I don't know how to say it, which is
Speaker 5: said to be the Noose or just the mind of
Speaker 5: the universe essentially right, and it talks about like how
Speaker 5: everything was created and even the Noose doesn't really fully
Speaker 5: know what it's doing here in God itself almost doesn't
Speaker 5: even know what it's doing here, so it decided to
Speaker 5: multiply and create, and you know, I mean it is
Speaker 5: in legit.
Speaker 4: The first book was eight pages.
Speaker 5: I was like, Oh my god, it's most crazy eight
Speaker 5: pages of a book that I've ever read.
Speaker 4: It's wild.
Speaker 2: That's my kind of book, man.
Speaker 1: That's my one to wait. That's so interesting. So what
Speaker 1: you're calling the news I would call what I call
Speaker 1: four deep plasma. It's kind of just this middle layer
Speaker 1: between you know, this fifth dimensional intelligence and our three
Speaker 1: dimensional physical self. Right, It's like the realm of our
Speaker 1: higher selves and ourself. And then there's this middle layer
Speaker 1: where it's like intelligent clay, where we're molding reality out
Speaker 1: of right, and it's you can't conceptualize as a human
Speaker 1: the fifth mental intelligence without it going through the costume
Speaker 1: of costume of the fourth dimensional layer, painted by your
Speaker 1: emotions and archetypes and feelings, right, and these things. But
Speaker 1: I was going to say about that, you said something
Speaker 1: that made me think that news, Oh, it doesn't know
Speaker 1: what it's doing here. So there's a mythology about the
Speaker 1: sleeping giant, a female sleeping giant, and how she's like
Speaker 1: in the middle of waking up. And I always refer
Speaker 1: to that layer that some people have called the living
Speaker 1: waters or maya, the illusion that it's starting to wake up.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's becoming conscious. Maybe we're all waking up, so
Speaker 1: it's starting to become more intelligent. But it's seeming like
Speaker 1: we're all becoming these like master manifestors for better or worse.
Speaker 1: So that's why right now, I feel like my job
Speaker 1: is to stress the inner technology, because if we don't
Speaker 1: work on our inner technology, which is consciousness working with
Speaker 1: this plasma right with this reality, were going to manifest
Speaker 1: continuously negative things because most of us are in a
Speaker 1: survival consciousness, and then we're going to make bad machinery
Speaker 1: that also drains the earth because we're all stuck in
Speaker 1: this lower consciousness.
Speaker 5: Yeah, one hundred percent agree. There there has to be
Speaker 5: some kind of integration that we can almost like evolve
Speaker 5: with the with the earth and with like the spiritual realm.
Speaker 5: And I feel like everything that is human that humanity
Speaker 5: has done up to this point has gone completely against that,
Speaker 5: as far as architecture and you know, the economy, and
Speaker 5: just how we treat everybody and everything and and it's
Speaker 5: it's it's kind of crazy, but I feel like this.
Speaker 4: I don't know when it happened.
Speaker 5: I know that some people say that it was the
Speaker 5: end of an age and uh oh yeah, uh you know,
Speaker 5: maybe we're coming into the age of Aquarius, or maybe
Speaker 5: it's the end of the uh the yuga.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, I mean there, it's obviously it's across all traditions, right,
Speaker 1: that we're entering this new age. I think that's like
Speaker 1: the common shift in the Mayan twenty twelve. Sorry, my
Speaker 1: dog's barking in the background, but that usually means we're
Speaker 1: onto something when she does that. But I think, sorry,
Speaker 1: what were you saying we're coming into a new age?
Speaker 1: What was the point of that?
Speaker 4: I forget.
Speaker 5: It just seems like the way that you do that
Speaker 5: reality used to work is starting to change a little bit.
Speaker 5: And I almost wonder, is is there a little bit
Speaker 5: of friction?
Speaker 4: Ye that some people were thinking.
Speaker 5: That the way that the New Earth, for lack of
Speaker 5: a better term, should be and almost the other side,
Speaker 5: which is trying to merge man with machine almost you know,
Speaker 5: with AI and everything, yeah.
Speaker 1: Which is so annoying. I think that, yes, it I
Speaker 1: think we started out as a matriarchal society right where
Speaker 1: women had the power and the goddess was worshiped, and
Speaker 1: I think it was actually tipped in that direction and
Speaker 1: that got too much, And then I think that's why
Speaker 1: we actually did seesaw to the more patriarchal side, right
Speaker 1: where consciousness almost split from this plasma, this goddess, where
Speaker 1: there's no longer a God and his wife, you know,
Speaker 1: like a Shira polls. We're all knocked down God's wife
Speaker 1: and there was just God all of a sudden, the
Speaker 1: religions of Christian Christianity and these monotheistic religions, and it's
Speaker 1: now we're almost like I don't think we're going back
Speaker 1: into the age of the Goddess. I think we're remembering
Speaker 1: the goddess and then fusing that with the divine masculineto birth,
Speaker 1: the age of the child or the age of Aquarius,
Speaker 1: where it's more about neutrality and a mix of technology
Speaker 1: and human but not together. It's more growing our consciousness
Speaker 1: so we can make supportive technology that helps enhance our consciousness,
Speaker 1: almost picture like what they did in Egypt, or it's
Speaker 1: like technology based on like sacred geometry and vibration. I
Speaker 1: think like we're going to have more stuff like that
Speaker 1: in the future. But I think we actually had to
Speaker 1: go through this separation and this contrast to know it
Speaker 1: doesn't work to arrive at this point, Like I think
Speaker 1: it all divinely happened, even though it was so annoying.
Speaker 1: But yeah, now we're coming into this, I would say,
Speaker 1: more equal liberty and who knows what will come out
Speaker 1: of that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh yeah, one hundred percent. And I owned not
Speaker 5: to get super weird here, but I only wonder where.
Speaker 5: I only wonder where the Western world would be if
Speaker 5: it wasn't for such people as Madam Blovotsky and Aleister
Speaker 5: Crowley bringing over the Eastern mysticism over to the West.
Speaker 5: You know what a crazy different world it might be
Speaker 5: if it wasn't for that.
Speaker 1: Theosophy has been hugely integral in my work, so weirdly enough,
Speaker 1: this stuff that I kind of come to in my meditations,
Speaker 1: Like I remember when I first was on this journey
Speaker 1: five years ago. I would look stuff up and it
Speaker 1: was like a lot of what Helena Blovotsky was already saying,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, like they knew
Speaker 1: a hundred years ago, Like they just didn't have the word,
Speaker 1: you know, plasma or these certain words, and I'll explain
Speaker 1: what it is for everyone who's new, who isn't listening.
Speaker 1: But yeah, she taught like even back then, she came
Speaker 1: up with something called the life Adam and talked about
Speaker 1: how that Adam has to do with like love and
Speaker 1: what is it? Hold on love? Do you know what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about? Life Atam to Google is really quick?
Speaker 1: That's okay. This is really interesting because I think she
Speaker 1: was right, and I think we're gonna come back to
Speaker 1: this and science. So I want to say, okay, that
Speaker 1: every particle of matter contained divine life. Yeah, but there
Speaker 1: was like love, free will and something else. I seemed
Speaker 1: like a Google life life Adams she called them. Oh okay,
Speaker 1: there was like I don't know, someone will have to
Speaker 1: look it up. But if someone can look up life Adam,
Speaker 1: there's three parts of it. How now it's a proton,
Speaker 1: electron on neutron. Let me chat you be to this
Speaker 1: ship life Adam, proton and electron neutron. What did Helena
Speaker 1: Lovotsky say those stood for? Because it's so interesting.
Speaker 5: And honestly, you know, she brought over a lot from
Speaker 5: like India and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I want to say, right, uhh yeah, and they do, so, oh,
Speaker 1: here we go. Yes, So she said the adam was
Speaker 1: really a trainity. The proton was life will or the
Speaker 1: positive principle, the initiating force, and then the electron was
Speaker 1: the mind or the circulating principle something like that, and
Speaker 1: then the neutron must more like like a neutroal. I
Speaker 1: think it kind of stands for like the mother, the father,
Speaker 1: and the child in a way. I'm butchering this, but
Speaker 1: someone can look it up on their own.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there has to be a trinity for any kind
Speaker 5: of creation like there, there just has to be. That's
Speaker 5: you know, it's the same thing that goes for shapes
Speaker 5: even you know, with just one it's a dot. With
Speaker 5: two it's a line, three starts to form, you know.
Speaker 5: So it makes sense some kind of three energies coming
Speaker 5: together in my mind any way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's why we're coming into like computing
Speaker 1: uses binaries, years and ones, right, even I think quantum
Speaker 1: computing does two, which is so I think that there's
Speaker 1: this undiscovered third way of computing that has to do
Speaker 1: with consciousness that uses more like ternary. It goes above duality,
Speaker 1: and I don't know if that is yet, and I
Speaker 1: wish I could speak about it more. But I have
Speaker 1: that intuition that there's a way we haven't discovered yet,
Speaker 1: or maybe we haven't just not out there that goes
Speaker 1: beyond the duality.
Speaker 5: I believe that actually in quantum computing, they go beyond
Speaker 5: just ones and zeros. They go you can have a
Speaker 5: one or a zero, or you can have a zero
Speaker 5: and a one or a one and a zero.
Speaker 1: Yes, no you can. But there's something with like I
Speaker 1: just I think, I still think we're going the wrong way.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, there's no doubt about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I wish I knew it better.
Speaker 5: It's still trying to evolve technology over evolving the human
Speaker 5: and integrating the humanness or the life force or the
Speaker 5: spirit of everything together. It is trying to connect everything
Speaker 5: through essentially technology and electricity, which is you know, which
Speaker 5: is great for convenience sake, There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 5: Like I love the convenience of AI. I love the
Speaker 5: convenience of not having to start a fire every night.
Speaker 5: I can just flick the lights on. Yeah, But ultimately,
Speaker 5: like I think that there is a point where it
Speaker 5: could go too far.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, and I think I was wrong. I do
Speaker 1: think quantic computing does use the ternary thing I think,
Speaker 1: but I what I was thinking in my mind is
Speaker 1: that there's something I think we're going to have a
Speaker 1: computer that's like beyond using math. It's going to be
Speaker 1: more like systems theory and geometry and like water and plasma.
Speaker 1: Like there's going to be some kind of like softer
Speaker 1: technology computers we make in the future that are way
Speaker 1: more beneficial to the Earth and humanity than what we
Speaker 1: have now.
Speaker 5: I would hope that sounds awesome. By the way, just
Speaker 5: out of curiosity, what started you on this whole path,
Speaker 5: like this whole journey towards your research, and like, was
Speaker 5: there something that really pushed you in that direction?
Speaker 1: It's so no, and yes, so it was a breakup,
Speaker 1: which is the most like hilarious, like girl reason ever
Speaker 1: as you drank the Hello Kiddy.
Speaker 4: Mug it's.
Speaker 1: Right funny though, Okay, but no, I think basically when
Speaker 1: I was like thirty or thirty one, this like five
Speaker 1: years ago, I went through a really bad betrayal with
Speaker 1: the boyfriend I had, and it kind of resurged everything
Speaker 1: in me, Like from when I was younger, and all
Speaker 1: these you know traumas I hadn't worked through right, just
Speaker 1: kind of broke my heart open and I just wanted
Speaker 1: to feel better. So I started to look towards meditation
Speaker 1: and you know, spiritual things, and I start I meditated
Speaker 1: for the first time, transcendental meditation, and like the first
Speaker 1: couple of meditations, and I was like acting and directing
Speaker 1: like I was. I was always, I guess, like metaphysical spiritual,
Speaker 1: but I wasn't like super into these things. I didn't
Speaker 1: know what plasma was or anything, right, I didn't I
Speaker 1: have didn't have spiritual practices. I was just like interested
Speaker 1: in out of the box stuff. And I meditating all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, I just like come out of it,
Speaker 1: and I knew all this stuff like it was like
Speaker 1: plasma's intelligence, it is the vehicle for consciousness. And I
Speaker 1: was like, what's plasma? Like I knew, but I couldn't
Speaker 1: conceptualize it. And then it was like a five year
Speaker 1: journey of like piecing together the things in English that
Speaker 1: I could see in my mind and feel in my heart.
Speaker 1: And so what drew me to it was I think
Speaker 1: it came to me and I think I put myself
Speaker 1: in a receptive state for the first time in my
Speaker 1: entire life, like I'd always numb myself with like you know,
Speaker 1: drugs and alcohol, boyfriends, love negative thinking. I never took
Speaker 1: a second to slow down and stop. And the minute
Speaker 1: I did, my you know one, I guess of my
Speaker 1: destinies fell right into me. And that's why I think
Speaker 1: meditation is an amazing gateway drug do all these things.
Speaker 1: And then you know, I had I got into therapy
Speaker 1: because I wanted to make sure I integrated the things,
Speaker 1: the visions I was seeing. I didn't want to become
Speaker 1: another one of those spiritual influencers who's like all high
Speaker 1: up in the clouds, not grounding anything in reality. So
Speaker 1: the more I heal, the more I felt like I
Speaker 1: was able to integrate it. And then yeah, so basically
Speaker 1: what I conceptualize out of the whole thing is there
Speaker 1: is you know, a plasma in science that's an ionized gas.
Speaker 1: It's the forestate of matter. You know, we study it.
Speaker 1: It's lightning, it's a neon. Science is a cold plasma.
Speaker 1: It is in the Aurora borealities, the glowing lights that
Speaker 1: happened during solar flares above Earth that are all different colors.
Speaker 1: And then there is multidimensional plasma, which is basically, if
Speaker 1: you're looking at an elephant and you're looking at its leg,
Speaker 1: you're using a lens of science, and you see physical plasma. Right,
Speaker 1: that's in our material reality makes up ninety nine point
Speaker 1: nine percent of visible matter. I say that there's an
Speaker 1: expanded plasma. It is multidimensional, it is sentient, it is
Speaker 1: a living ether. It is the fabric of our reality.
Speaker 1: And that is the vehicle for consciousness. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: the goddess in mythology, right, It's the womb of creation.
Speaker 1: It's where consciousness, you know, molds to make stuff, but
Speaker 1: it also has its own intelligence that we need to respect.
Speaker 1: And you can think of it not as conscious the
Speaker 1: vehicle for consciousness, but you can think of it more
Speaker 1: as like as feeling or love, like a neutral love.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to it's you cannot put it
Speaker 1: into words. Really, It's like saying you experience that I
Speaker 1: think we've experienced. How else would we experience it if
Speaker 1: everything was just consciousness. When we meditate and we have
Speaker 1: those blissful experiences or we feel completely at peace, our
Speaker 1: consciousness has to be working with something else it has
Speaker 1: to be in the womb of something. It's not just
Speaker 1: consciousness and consciousness right, it doesn't make any sense. What
Speaker 1: even the fuck is consciousness? Like, it doesn't make sense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think consciousness is more of like a system, and
Speaker 1: it's more like our awareness, right in different states of
Speaker 1: consciousness in plasma that is also in different states. But anyway,
Speaker 1: I don't know how I came up with all this stuff, but.
Speaker 5: Just crazy downloads and meta it happens all the time.
Speaker 5: That'd be an actor, Yeah, hey, I appeared. I was
Speaker 5: a oh what are they called an extra in a
Speaker 5: couple of movies. So did my little piece, but didn't
Speaker 5: make any money. I meane, like one hundred bucks a day.
Speaker 4: It was fun.
Speaker 5: But no, it's awesome because once you kind of have
Speaker 5: these these downloads and you realize that the answers are
Speaker 5: some of the answers are outside. I don't like really
Speaker 5: whatever people say, well, you're not going to find any
Speaker 5: answers out there. I found a lot of answers out here.
Speaker 5: But being able to integrate the inner with the outer
Speaker 5: information I think is very important.
Speaker 1: Yes, I would say I wouldn't be where I am
Speaker 1: today without people like Robert Temple who wrote a new
Speaker 1: Signs of Heaven about plasma that came out a year
Speaker 1: after I had this revelation, but he was already writing it,
Speaker 1: like we obviously all had these ideas, and he's one
Speaker 1: of the pioneers. I mean, he's had this idea for
Speaker 1: over twenty thirty forty years. And then you know Hannas Alfin,
Speaker 1: who was in like the seventies, who came up with
Speaker 1: the plasma cosmology. Eileen Mcusick who wrote Tuning the Human Biofield,
Speaker 1: she talked about bioplasma. I mean, there's so many books
Speaker 1: I've read that have given language to the understanding I
Speaker 1: had without the education, you know. And then RAFFOLDO. Emerson
Speaker 1: his books and Nature, and he wrote an essay on
Speaker 1: circles that really you know. Anyway, My point is there's
Speaker 1: so I can go on forever. There's so many books
Speaker 1: I've read and people I've met who've taught me other perspectives,
Speaker 1: like you have to be an open system. You can't
Speaker 1: just be There's people I've met who are like, I
Speaker 1: don't want to learn anything from anyone because like that
Speaker 1: keeps my ideas clear, and it's like, no, that's actually
Speaker 1: stupid and I've been through that too, But that means
Speaker 1: you're in a state of fear, and it has to
Speaker 1: be a mix. Like what I do and I bet
Speaker 1: you guys do this too. Is like books and people
Speaker 1: are portals right for truth. So I'm open and listening
Speaker 1: to everything, and then I as the truthmaker of my
Speaker 1: own to get to choose what I believe in and
Speaker 1: what I don't and what I can make better from
Speaker 1: that and what I want to keep from that. And
Speaker 1: that's how I generate my perspective.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's perfect. I don't see nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 2: You know, some people will say that that's wrong, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean it's either this or nothing. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: come on, man. I think that's the biggest mistake is
Speaker 2: removing the humanness of the I mean, we're literally instruments,
Speaker 2: so we literally can't we're part of the universe. We're
Speaker 2: like an instrument itself. When you can meditate and come
Speaker 2: up with all of this information and or even if
Speaker 2: it's just something just super interesting, like I had an
Speaker 2: experience last night. I don't know if it was like
Speaker 2: an out of body or what, but this ringing, this weird,
Speaker 2: and this is usually the sound that I that I
Speaker 2: get when I know that it's going to happen. And
Speaker 2: every time it would build up, all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: like my own face would like come into my view
Speaker 2: and I'm like, and then it would and then and
Speaker 2: then the sound would go down and it would go away,
Speaker 2: and then I would consciously bring that sound back and
Speaker 2: my face would come back in and I'm like, whoa.
Speaker 2: And then that sound was also coupled with like there
Speaker 2: was a weird feeling where it was it was doing
Speaker 2: that sound, and then I felt like the side of
Speaker 2: my head and I could feel almost like a motor
Speaker 2: turning inside of my head, like an actual like electric
Speaker 2: motor rotating. And then like the sound would go away,
Speaker 2: and I felt my head and it would like that,
Speaker 2: and it felt so real, like so like it was.
Speaker 2: I understand, of course, I understand dreams feel real, but
Speaker 2: this felt like I was like laying in bed having
Speaker 2: that experience, like it didn't feel like I was dreaming,
Speaker 2: like getting out of body experience. And then I was
Speaker 2: looking down like I was like up here and I
Speaker 2: could look down the bridge of my nose like I
Speaker 2: felt like I was literally having like a crazy like
Speaker 2: that's a Why is that wired in to the human experience.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I'm glad.
Speaker 5: It is almost like looking from the third eye or
Speaker 5: looking from the crown, just that different perspective, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then you guys were talking about the whole
Speaker 2: merging like machine with humans, and that's the experience I
Speaker 2: had last night, was like there was like a mechanism
Speaker 2: inside of me, just like you. I don't know what.
Speaker 2: It's super strange, Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, that is. I mean I've even had like I
Speaker 1: don't believe we're in a simulation, right, I believe we're
Speaker 1: in a living, breathing universe. That can feel like a
Speaker 1: simulation when we're in survival consciousness because things literally repeat
Speaker 1: when you're in loops, right, and then you get out
Speaker 1: of the loop by getting out of the survival consciousness.
Speaker 1: With that said, though, I've had experiences of all kinds
Speaker 1: because in this reality, right, everything is true and everything
Speaker 1: is false. I've had experiences like that that I cannot explain.
Speaker 1: I've had beautiful, luscious, organic experiences. And then I once
Speaker 1: had an experience where like I was seeing numbers and
Speaker 1: I heard like, oh, do you want us to show
Speaker 1: you something? And I was like seeing these numbers flying
Speaker 1: through my head almost like we were in like a program, right,
Speaker 1: And I don't think we are. But it's just like
Speaker 1: I can't explain that that's But then I think, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: it's it's.
Speaker 2: It's super amazing that those experiences happen. And like I
Speaker 2: think a day before that, there was a it was
Speaker 2: a similar experience, but it was just all black and
Speaker 2: then it looked like it said downloading, and I was
Speaker 2: like what, Like I was trying to look at what
Speaker 2: the word said, but I could have sworret it said
Speaker 2: like download or downloading, Like I don't know, super strange.
Speaker 2: I didn't go to bed thinking, oh, I'm going to
Speaker 2: have a super vivid, like conscious unconscious experience like this.
Speaker 2: But like like I said, I'm glad that those things happen,
Speaker 2: because those are the things that kind of keep me,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, peeling away and looking looking
Speaker 2: trying to.
Speaker 1: I want to analyze this for saying, because when this
Speaker 1: hat I want to ask you a question, maybe it's
Speaker 1: about you for a moment, because it is very interesting.
Speaker 1: This will help a lot of people. So when I
Speaker 1: had these experiences the few days before that, I was
Speaker 1: reading about simulation theory. Have you been seeing anything around
Speaker 1: and you're psyching in the past few days or since
Speaker 1: then about anything with simulation machines robots.
Speaker 2: No, not, not necessarily. It was just kind of out
Speaker 2: of nowhere, you know, to be honest, I mean, we
Speaker 2: talk about a lot of weird things here. Of course,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So, I mean there could
Speaker 2: have been something that you know was was brought up
Speaker 2: very quickly that you know, but not that I know of.
Speaker 4: So hold on.
Speaker 5: That is I just want to touch on that for
Speaker 5: a second. It is the strangest synchronicity that I'm having
Speaker 5: right now because hold on, let me turn I gotta
Speaker 5: turn my phone back on. Because I send it to
Speaker 5: my computer. Then I deleted it because I was like, eh,
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna it looks kind of cheesy, but all right,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna send it to the computer. As far as
Speaker 5: like gears or simulation or anything like that, dude, I'm
Speaker 5: about to trip you the fuck out. Hold on one sec.
Speaker 5: I like when you do this, Look at this. I
Speaker 5: literally was making this earlier today. See you guys, look
Speaker 5: at this.
Speaker 4: No, we definitely are earlier this this morning.
Speaker 1: Just woke up with there we go and it's even Look,
Speaker 1: it's even the people looking at each other.
Speaker 2: He'll come up with an idea for the show, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, dude, I've been thinking about that all day,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It's like, how is it
Speaker 2: that we're both thinking about the same thing? And I
Speaker 2: think it might be the thing you've been talking about,
Speaker 2: the consciousness, the thing that consciousness travels through. Who knows
Speaker 2: exactly what it is, but yeah, definitely something to it.
Speaker 1: So many names for it, like I and that's the
Speaker 1: thing too. I call it plasma. That's that's my name
Speaker 1: for it, right, Plasma means to mold and Greek. It's
Speaker 1: the perfect word I think for it. I'm just putting
Speaker 1: a new name to something that's been around for eternity
Speaker 1: that they were ether or caught yeah whatever, CHRONogy energy.
Speaker 1: But I think what matters is it holds memory. So
Speaker 1: like you know, you guys and your consciousness. The more
Speaker 1: you are you know, quantum entangled, right, the more you're
Speaker 1: imprinting memory, the more you're picking up on each other's
Speaker 1: fields with the memory. So hm, that's just how it worked.
Speaker 1: But it seems like that's connected a little bit.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's something there fun really like and uh, just
Speaker 5: the idea, and I don't know if the world is
Speaker 5: the same relation or a matrix. I like to call
Speaker 5: it a dream, to be honest with you, that's the
Speaker 5: only thing that comes even kind of close. But you know,
Speaker 5: whatever we were talking about, you you were like, well, yeah,
Speaker 5: I don't think it's a simulation or anything.
Speaker 4: I wonder if the.
Speaker 5: Ones in the right. But I wonder if the ones
Speaker 5: and the zeros and the gears that people sometimes see
Speaker 5: during a hallucination or meditation or anything like that, I
Speaker 5: wonder if that is how higher dimensional entities view this world.
Speaker 1: Potentially great, I mean there's I think there's something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think there's something. There's something to everyone's experience, right,
Speaker 1: because I don't think any of these there's so many
Speaker 1: people having all these experiences. No one's lying, right, like,
Speaker 1: why would we share this? That's just like and I've
Speaker 1: had the experience too, So I'm who am I to
Speaker 1: discount someone's when I'm talking about I'm me seeing blue
Speaker 1: monkeys in the middle of the moon, right. But I
Speaker 1: but I think what's coming to me is that, you know,
Speaker 1: when we believe things, that creates an egger Gore right,
Speaker 1: and the more people that believe in the simulation the numbers. Obviously,
Speaker 1: numbers are a thing, math is a thing, Like there
Speaker 1: is a part in this what I would call fourth
Speaker 1: dimensional space where that story is very large, that there
Speaker 1: is some kind of you know, numbers and simulation, and
Speaker 1: you know that means there is right and then there's
Speaker 1: a reality where there's not. So it's it's yes and no.
Speaker 1: So I think, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I think it's it's interesting, you know, like if I
Speaker 2: don't know if you've ever really lost somebody or you know,
Speaker 2: but when you lose somebody and you have that feeling
Speaker 2: like they're still here, I feel like that's probably a
Speaker 2: very common experience. So I think maybe that's what it is,
Speaker 2: that the eggergre that you're talking about. It's almost like
Speaker 2: that thing that was that person has always existed and
Speaker 2: always will. It's just kind of in the system. It
Speaker 2: can't go anywhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, everything is yeah and here and yes. It's
Speaker 1: so weird you say that because my dad's I didn't
Speaker 1: go and he died a year ago. But my dad's
Speaker 1: funeral was today in Florida, So it's crazy you just
Speaker 1: said that. But he died Every twenty third of last year,
Speaker 1: and my mom took a year to me. Wow, thank you,
Speaker 1: But I didn't go because of what you're saying, Like I,
Speaker 1: funerals are more to help the humans, right, because the
Speaker 1: people who die are chilling already, and I have a
Speaker 1: personal connection with my dad, So I wasn't about to
Speaker 1: get on a plane which I hate flying, and go
Speaker 1: all the way to Florida for.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: We just recently had a buddy who just died a
Speaker 5: few weeks ago, and and maybe you've even seen some
Speaker 5: of his content online. He's a he's like a mystic rapper.
Speaker 5: His name is Optimistic Banks. Have you ever heard of him?
Speaker 5: He does like a lot of like it's almost like
Speaker 5: conscious rap, really really good stuff.
Speaker 2: What the hell if you're not listening to him, you're
Speaker 2: you're gonna dig at it?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was guarantee, but literally, yeah, like three days
Speaker 5: after Christmas, but literally ever since we found out that
Speaker 5: he died, we've been getting the strangest synchronicities. His number
Speaker 5: and he even talks about in his music and and
Speaker 5: and his videos, and whenever he's come on our show
Speaker 5: several times, was always three three three, And I like,
Speaker 5: I kid, you not I never see three three three.
Speaker 5: That's not a thing that I ever really see. I'll
Speaker 5: see a one one one from time to time, right,
Speaker 5: but just about every day, several times a day, I'm
Speaker 5: seeing that, and it's always like a.
Speaker 4: Very coincidental kind of timing.
Speaker 5: And I almost wonder, like, all right, is that my
Speaker 5: mind looking for the synchronicities to try and make, you know,
Speaker 5: sense of the whole thing, or is his consciousness or
Speaker 5: energy or spirit or whatever somehow sending sides from the
Speaker 5: other side.
Speaker 1: I don't think your mind's trying to make sense because
Speaker 1: some people would say, right, is rearticular activating system, like
Speaker 1: you know he's three through three, Now you're noticing more
Speaker 1: three three this like no, like sometimes it happens too
Speaker 1: much towards more than a coincidence, like you cannot explain it.
Speaker 1: And it also is like it doesn't matter about logic,
Speaker 1: it's what you feel. And you're I bet you're feeling
Speaker 1: that connection like that's what makes it real and that
Speaker 1: you know, that's a special thing. So that's what I
Speaker 1: think about that.
Speaker 4: I think so too, That's what I like to think.
Speaker 1: Anyway, it's true.
Speaker 5: So I do want to ask you so as far
Speaker 5: as plasma goes. Of course, every time I see somebody
Speaker 5: talking about plasma, people like to associate it with the
Speaker 5: orbs that a lot of people are seeing nowadays, so
Speaker 5: many damn videos of orbs. We've experienced it ourselves. Don't
Speaker 5: really know what to do with that information. Some people say, well,
Speaker 5: it's it's aliens, it's intelligences, or some people will say
Speaker 5: it's ball lightning, they're still stuck in the third dimension
Speaker 5: or whatever. But I'm like, I'm like, there's something going
Speaker 5: on here, and I feel like a lot of people
Speaker 5: have the ability to communicate with it somehow. And is
Speaker 5: that kind of in the same bubble of plasma that
Speaker 5: you speak of.
Speaker 1: Yes, I would love to speak on that, and really
Speaker 1: quick with the one thing more thing with passing away,
Speaker 1: if we can have out of body experiences, of course
Speaker 1: we go on after death, like are you kidding me them? Yes, well,
Speaker 1: like a whole okay, Well, but with the plasmoids. Here's
Speaker 1: my take on the plasmoids. I think you know, plasma
Speaker 1: is all different dimensions ingredients, right, Plasma is a living thing.
Speaker 1: It can shape shift, it goes into many forms, right
Speaker 1: as we're talking about, and there's third dimensional plasma, which
Speaker 1: is the ionized gas. There's ball lightning, which is a
Speaker 1: very real physical plasma phenomenon, which you can equate to
Speaker 1: like a lion or a ferocious animal that doesn't want
Speaker 1: to kill you, but it just is scared, like if
Speaker 1: it gets too close to you, yes you'll get radiation.
Speaker 1: It's not trying to consciously kill you. It's just a
Speaker 1: sentient plasma going around everywhere that is not, I believe,
Speaker 1: super self organizing, but it's just kind of around and
Speaker 1: it's a phenomenon, right, And then you have the plasmoids
Speaker 1: that are self organizing. When you look up dusty complex plasma,
Speaker 1: you can learn a lot about, you know, the intelligence
Speaker 1: of plasma. And this is and science we're talking about here.
Speaker 1: And you know, if we look up the Kordaluski clouds,
Speaker 1: they're two intelligent cosmic superbrains, as Robert Temple calls them.
Speaker 1: They're these intelligent clouds between the Moon and the Earth
Speaker 1: that were discovered and proved a few years ago that
Speaker 1: have like DNA like structures and they're you know, smarter
Speaker 1: than humans, more smart than humans. Yeah, they're crazy. And
Speaker 1: with these plasmoids, they're like these self organizing balls of
Speaker 1: plasma that we're seen in the sky that we've I
Speaker 1: guess never seen before, and they're studying them all over
Speaker 1: in NASA. There's papers on them, and they're trying to
Speaker 1: figure out like are they conscious? Are they intelligent? And
Speaker 1: I'm doing a seminar on this at the Science of
Speaker 1: Consciousness Conference. I think there's there's not one answer, just
Speaker 1: like everything else. So what I've come across is there
Speaker 1: are the plasmoids that are simply self organizing plasma phenomenon, right,
Speaker 1: that that kind of have purposeful movement and that maybe
Speaker 1: have you know, that are sentient, that you know, are
Speaker 1: moving you know, with each other, almost like once again
Speaker 1: plasma animals, but not more like deer, not as ferocious
Speaker 1: as like a ball lightning or a lion. And then
Speaker 1: since plasma is the vehicle for consciousness, we have the
Speaker 1: option of plasma forming what you can call like a
Speaker 1: pinch point or what I think to be a wormhole.
Speaker 1: And it's almost like a looking glass for these beans
Speaker 1: of consciousness to remote view us. So obviously they're not
Speaker 1: going to put their they're not gonna actually be flying
Speaker 1: in the plasma ball. That wouldn't make any sense for
Speaker 1: a higher intelligent species.
Speaker 4: Almost like a drone type of thing you think.
Speaker 1: Kind of, but once again like instead of like, these
Speaker 1: these consciousness beans are what I think are our higher selves,
Speaker 1: and I think that they're Otherwise it would have came
Speaker 1: here already and talked to us, like if they're that smart,
Speaker 1: like it would have Like I think their their symbol
Speaker 1: is it's a mythological symbol. We are seeing it as
Speaker 1: very real. We all experienced it. I have to. The
Speaker 1: downloads I get from it is that they're saying, hey, look,
Speaker 1: we can use plasma with our consciousness. You can too,
Speaker 1: Like it's not you can learn how to do this,
Speaker 1: it's they're reminding us of our power. They're reminding us
Speaker 1: of our inner love, our inner magic. Otherwise we would
Speaker 1: have had other experiences with them. And they're also reminding
Speaker 1: us of our trauma, which sucks. And there's been so
Speaker 1: many abduction stories that have been linked to trauma and
Speaker 1: traumatic experiences and also changing people's lives, first for the worse,
Speaker 1: then for the better. These things are clearly evolving us
Speaker 1: in some way. They're not evil, but they're reflecting our consciousness.
Speaker 1: So if I have things I need to work on,
Speaker 1: you better believe it's going to show me that.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's like a so interesting that I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's wild.
Speaker 5: I'm trying to wrap my mind around that. But it
Speaker 5: does kind of make sense if you have you ever
Speaker 5: seen this movie called The Eternals.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Marvel movie.
Speaker 5: Yeah, where it's basically like these odds are trying to
Speaker 5: get out of here.
Speaker 4: You learn a right, I like it.
Speaker 5: So basically it's like these gods and they're trying to
Speaker 5: hand humanity these these tools or these powers or whatever right,
Speaker 5: and humanity has to be ready or otherwise it could
Speaker 5: destroy all of humanity kind of thing. Yeah, So basically
Speaker 5: that kind of just reminds me of what you're saying
Speaker 5: about the plasmoids then, So that's what.
Speaker 1: It's literally just all our higher selves trying to remember
Speaker 1: us that we are them and they're from the future.
Speaker 1: I call them our future ancestors. And it's like the
Speaker 1: one thing that is in movies that I don't think
Speaker 1: is real in this life. But it's more of a
Speaker 1: story of whoever is writing a lot of these movies
Speaker 1: is everyone has always said throughout the years, we're not ready, right,
Speaker 1: We're waiting un till we're ready, Like we've been doing
Speaker 1: that for fucking a thousand years. That's why them in
Speaker 1: secret societies. That's why Prometheus gives the fire to the people,
Speaker 1: and that's why he got in trouble and he stole
Speaker 1: the lightning the plasma from Zeus or whatever. Right, the
Speaker 1: people deserve the fire of knowledge and it's been held
Speaker 1: back from us for decades to control us and because
Speaker 1: they don't trust you know, us peasants, right, And it's
Speaker 1: like I've met the general public. They are way more
Speaker 1: smart than some of these people in power and with money.
Speaker 1: They're way more loving too, right, It's just that they
Speaker 1: don't believe in themselves. Then they're disempowered. So the more
Speaker 1: you can remind them the powers within them, and they
Speaker 1: just seem to change some belief systems and they can
Speaker 1: be abundant as fuck. And that is what I'm trying
Speaker 1: to do. They'll remember that they too can have this power.
Speaker 1: And my point is we are the movies, you know,
Speaker 1: wait until humanity is ready. We're ready with the choose
Speaker 1: to be ready. So my thing is just that make
Speaker 1: the choice to be ready humanity.
Speaker 5: Yeah, honestly, I mean, and it kind of is. I
Speaker 5: understand why some people might be scared of aliens or
Speaker 5: scared of something like that, because everybody, I mean, you're
Speaker 5: gonna fear the unknown. I mean, especially if you see
Speaker 5: something like there's a scary thing.
Speaker 1: Sometimes because they're reflecting your fear, they'll come as demons,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, or shadows like.
Speaker 5: That's the manifest in some way that I'm saying.
Speaker 1: They come in that four dimensional right body suit of plasma,
Speaker 1: that and that and that is steeped in our archetypes
Speaker 1: and ancestral knowledge and demons and angels and bikinis. So
Speaker 1: it pulls from your resonance. So if you're resonating, and
Speaker 1: that's why everything in the Bible fear not I have
Speaker 1: no fear. All these religions they're literally telling us how
Speaker 1: to communicate with them. Strip the fear and they won't
Speaker 1: come as demons, right.
Speaker 5: And sixty five times that's in the Bible, by the
Speaker 5: way of one for each day.
Speaker 1: That's so weird, I know, but that's what it's just
Speaker 1: because it's reminding us probably every day because I don't
Speaker 1: know about you. I wake up in fear a lot.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's like, if we strip the fear, we
Speaker 1: won't see those things. And I know because I've had
Speaker 1: this happen. I used to see only demons and shadows
Speaker 1: and witch ladies and hags, and now I and then
Speaker 1: I had a time where I was seeing like angels
Speaker 1: and it was on pedestal and it was like it
Speaker 1: was very like I don't know, I was like, oh, worship.
Speaker 1: And now I'm it's more neutral and they're more Now
Speaker 1: I feel like I see the truth. And it's like
Speaker 1: they don't even come now as visions for me. It's
Speaker 1: more of like feelings and knowings and sometimes like holographic shimmerings.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's really inter I feel like I can
Speaker 1: say this because I've been through it, you know.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, And everybody's on their own path, you know,
Speaker 5: everybody is trying to attain some kind of knowledge, some
Speaker 5: kind of truth, because if there's one thing that nobody knows,
Speaker 5: it's where did we come from? Where were we before
Speaker 5: this incarnation? You know, you can believe, you can, you
Speaker 5: can have faith whatever, right, But and I feel like
Speaker 5: maybe that maybe that is something that we can figure
Speaker 5: out if we go inside deep enough. But I almost
Speaker 5: wonder that if we go inside, you know, deep enough,
Speaker 5: is it only going to show us through the allegory
Speaker 5: of which our mind can understand and therefore only symbolic
Speaker 5: and not literal, because what is literal if everything's illogical?
Speaker 1: Anyway, that's such a great point. And the truth to
Speaker 1: me is that everything's a paradox, right, and it's not
Speaker 1: conception old to humans. But what is conceptual to humans
Speaker 1: is what you just said, and it's the fact that
Speaker 1: for here's the thing we're all seeking, right, I think
Speaker 1: we already know where we come from. I don't know
Speaker 1: about you, but I have those visions and memories, and
Speaker 1: it's like, why are we still looking for the answer.
Speaker 1: It's not going to be tangible proof. It's in that
Speaker 1: dream state. It's that liminal space of these memories we
Speaker 1: have that aren't going to be brought into reality. Is
Speaker 1: proof because we're humanity and we're membering other timelines and
Speaker 1: past lives and us as our higher selves. Like that's
Speaker 1: not math or science, I'm sorry, Like that's shown in
Speaker 1: art and poetry, and I think we need to be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I think we do know where we come from. And
Speaker 1: maybe it's not a mathematical or scientific answer, and maybe
Speaker 1: it's more about like how do we have okay, like
Speaker 1: where we come from? Great, Like I think we do
Speaker 1: know that, but I think it's like that, and at
Speaker 1: the same time we don't know shit right, But it's
Speaker 1: a paradox because I don't the more I know, the
Speaker 1: more I don't know. But at the same time, I
Speaker 1: think we're asking the wrong questions. I think it should
Speaker 1: be how do we create a harmonious relationship with reality
Speaker 1: since we're here, instead of focusing on like where we're from,
Speaker 1: where we're going, it's like, how do we have a
Speaker 1: better time here and then we'll get to where we're going.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, we get very blinded or distracted by trying
Speaker 2: to figure everything out. We got to figure it all out,
Speaker 2: And it really makes sense that, you know, after a
Speaker 2: dark time or you go through something and all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, you got to find out who you are again,
Speaker 2: get you're not going to be tricked again. You got
Speaker 2: to figure it all out. That way you can kind
Speaker 2: of get ahead of the game. And it's like, I
Speaker 2: think now you're just kind of getting in your own
Speaker 2: way by not just experiencing things more holistically and just
Speaker 2: really trying to I don't know, I feel like if
Speaker 2: we're constantly looking or missing shit, That's what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I.
Speaker 5: Oh no, I was just going to say, I think that,
Speaker 5: you know, just to exist is one of the trippiest
Speaker 5: things that could ever happen, Like, you know, like where
Speaker 5: did it all come from?
Speaker 4: How is it even possible? You know what? Like that's
Speaker 4: where my mind.
Speaker 1: Yeah, i'man same Like even though I'm saying all this, like,
Speaker 1: I know, we think about it's so it's natural to
Speaker 1: think about where we come from and where we're going.
Speaker 1: Like that's humanity. And I think I think as long
Speaker 1: as we have a balance, Like you know, I spend
Speaker 1: a lot of days trying to figure shit out, which
Speaker 1: is why I'm on this podcast and talking about plasma.
Speaker 1: Of course I'm a seeker, but I also want the
Speaker 1: balance of being an experiencer. I don't want to be
Speaker 1: a martyr being like, oh I'm going to figure out
Speaker 1: and help humanity, but then like have the worst life
Speaker 1: ever myself and like, you know, help everyone but me.
Speaker 1: So it's like I have days I have a lot
Speaker 1: where I'm experiencing life, where I'm eating you know, funfetti
Speaker 1: cake and watching reality TV and being human and trying
Speaker 1: to go on dates and they're disasters, just like being data.
Speaker 1: And then you know, then there's like you know, higher self,
Speaker 1: experimental data that loves the plasma stuff and researches until she,
Speaker 1: you know, almost can't even sit up anymore. So I
Speaker 1: think a balance is good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so funny. My uh, my daughter the other
Speaker 2: night was asking, like, I don't know, sometimes I just
Speaker 2: think about it, like where you know pretty much what
Speaker 2: we've just been saying, like where do we come from?
Speaker 2: What's going on? Like I'll just look at my hand
Speaker 2: and just think that it's so weird that we're that
Speaker 2: we're here, And I'm like, yeah, really, nobody really knows,
Speaker 2: Like really, when you get down to it, it's a
Speaker 2: it's a really big mystery, you know. But you know,
Speaker 2: here we are in the parking lot of TJ Max,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It's like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: So funny.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we had a we had a good little laugh
Speaker 4: about it though.
Speaker 2: But I love that she's asking those questions, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean at such a young age.
Speaker 5: Yeah, my daughter's doing the same thing too. But it
Speaker 5: really is interesting. But you know, because the deeper you
Speaker 5: dive into other kind of spiritual texts and whatnot. Like
Speaker 5: we're huge on the the Seven Hermatic Principles.
Speaker 4: Love them. I think they're great.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but one of them, inside of the Seven Hermatic Principles,
Speaker 5: says that all truths are but half truths.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, of course that's right, it has to
Speaker 4: be right.
Speaker 5: It doesn't make any logical sense, but illogically the other
Speaker 5: part of our brain can almost like see that that
Speaker 5: it could be you know, yeah.
Speaker 1: That's even a fun that's a half truth statement within itself, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that makes that makes them all fourth truths, which is
Speaker 1: the love for it, which is like, uh, what is
Speaker 1: the fours? It's like a philosophy it can be true
Speaker 1: and false? What is that? There's like hold on a
Speaker 1: quadrant for true false.
Speaker 5: Let's see if I are you talking about the four
Speaker 5: Noble truths and Buddhism.
Speaker 1: There's something like how it's true, it's false, it's true
Speaker 1: and true and it's true and false. Like there's some
Speaker 1: I'm never I'm like butchering this does.
Speaker 4: Anyone very similar to that?
Speaker 5: That ones and zeros and then there's also zeros and
Speaker 5: ones and ones and zeros and everything in between.
Speaker 1: Kind of yeah, wait, I do want to go back
Speaker 1: to that. I have a book. Hold on, it's right here,
Speaker 1: let me get it.
Speaker 5: It's very important, okay, because.
Speaker 1: I want to turn everyone else. This is like the
Speaker 1: secret mystical knowledge. So there's a really old book called
Speaker 1: Io Unveiled by a woman Bozana bird LoVa, and she
Speaker 1: talks about the origin of numbers. She also wrote a
Speaker 1: weird another weird fiction book that like no one has
Speaker 1: ever found. But when we talk about ones and zeros
Speaker 1: and numbers, I think that numbers are you know, conceptually
Speaker 1: made up by us, right, Like is that really based reality? No?
Speaker 1: And she talks about like what each number, the origin
Speaker 1: of each number, and I won't get into it now,
Speaker 1: but she'll talk about so like ones in zero. She'll
Speaker 1: talk about like you know, the number one and how
Speaker 1: it originated and all these like weird things. So like
Speaker 1: I wonder if, like I was to go into that
Speaker 1: and think of the ones and zeros, like what that
Speaker 1: actually means beyond math, Like maybe it means breathing, Like
Speaker 1: how when you breathe in and out it's like or
Speaker 1: maybe it's like a closed womb, open womb, like or
Speaker 1: you know, there's there's so many symbolic ways to look
Speaker 1: at ones and zeros that I think we can crack open.
Speaker 5: I don't know, Yeah, no, I was it's funny you
Speaker 5: bring that up because I was just talking to Sean
Speaker 5: yesterday and I was like, I found this thing to
Speaker 5: where the in Hinduism, what they say is is that
Speaker 5: why they they always say whenever you're in meditation, for
Speaker 5: you to pay attention to your breath because after after
Speaker 5: a while, you start to you start to notice that
Speaker 5: every breath out is a death and every breath in
Speaker 5: is a tiny rebirth. But the fascinating part about all
Speaker 5: of that is is that you exist in both worlds.
Speaker 5: You exist in death and in in in life, which
Speaker 5: is for breath, right ye. And I was like, man
Speaker 5: to be able to observe that that breath out, you know,
Speaker 5: because there's no there's no air inside your lungs there
Speaker 5: there there's you shouldn't be living, I mean, at least
Speaker 5: from a spiritual standpoint, as far as what breath and
Speaker 5: the spirit and all that stuff goes. It's interesting to
Speaker 5: look at it like it at the tiniest most minute
Speaker 5: center that if you can observe your breath going out,
Speaker 5: you can observe death and be aware of that, and
Speaker 5: then you can.
Speaker 4: Also observe you know, rebirth at the same time, which.
Speaker 1: Also means again that we don't die, we just changed.
Speaker 4: Form eat technically.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean they say that literally every cell of
Speaker 5: our body gets like regenerated every seven years.
Speaker 1: I think it does because I was like allergic to onions,
Speaker 1: and then I wasn't allergic to onions, well not allergic,
Speaker 1: but a sensitivity. But yes, I really believe.
Speaker 2: That, Yeah, grew out of it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's interesting the taste buds all change and how
Speaker 5: our body reacts to certain things.
Speaker 4: It gets. It gets pretty weird. But look, I feel
Speaker 4: like it's.
Speaker 2: Actually really quick, really quick before we leat up to
Speaker 2: the next thing. As far as the breathing in and out,
Speaker 2: we also were mentioning as far as or I think
Speaker 2: I might have brought it up, but as far as
Speaker 2: the universe itself is potentially doing exactly that. It's almost
Speaker 2: like a breathing right, and so like right now we
Speaker 2: are in the we are in the time of the
Speaker 2: universe breathing out right, and so everything is seemingly expanded
Speaker 2: or breathing. I don't know how you want to say it,
Speaker 2: but but yeah, but then you know, I don't know,
Speaker 2: millions of years from now, it'll have that rebirth and
Speaker 2: bathe in or read out, you know whatever. So I
Speaker 2: think it's very interesting. It's very possible, you know, like
Speaker 2: we we just have such a short amount of time
Speaker 2: to observe it, and so it just seems to us like, oh,
Speaker 2: everything expanded, you know, from one point, like it's probably
Speaker 2: always been.
Speaker 1: I was just so, that's so crazy, you just said,
Speaker 1: because I literally before I got on this call, wrote
Speaker 1: an article about the breathing universe and the men Mac
Speaker 1: theory and bubble theorem, and I basically have a theory
Speaker 1: that the universe is a plasma breathing bubble that it
Speaker 1: always is expanding and contracting a contract contracting or whatever
Speaker 1: the hell the word is. I can't even speak, but
Speaker 1: basically it's always going like this, and I don't think, yeah,
Speaker 1: the Big Bang is wrong. I don't think it's ever
Speaker 1: going to crunch or expand. I think it's just a
Speaker 1: bubble going like this, and it's just like the flower
Speaker 1: of life, where it's maxims an efficiency by minimizing surface
Speaker 1: area or something like that. It's something that bubbles do.
Speaker 1: So basically it's learning about itself and maximizing the space
Speaker 1: it has, so it's becoming more efficient and learning through
Speaker 1: all of us that way, not as a machine, just
Speaker 1: as a living bubble. So it's like almost like a
Speaker 1: hologram like shape shifting within itself constantly, just like reality is,
Speaker 1: which means we have will.
Speaker 2: Right, have you ever gone into like dark matter? Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: supposedly it's a thing that holds everything together, and I
Speaker 2: don't know if it aligns with what you were telling us.
Speaker 1: Yes, So I say that dark matter is what I
Speaker 1: call four dimensional plasma, and dark matter is just like
Speaker 1: what we what we're observing or seeing, that's like an
Speaker 1: artifact of that. And then I call dark energy is
Speaker 1: more with that like fifth dimensional mistage or that higher
Speaker 1: self or God energy. It's kind of like what expands
Speaker 1: the universe. So literally every time we create with our
Speaker 1: consciousness and plasma that God and the God is, we're
Speaker 1: creating this child, we're creating expansion, which you know they
Speaker 1: call dark energy, which is expanding the know but in
Speaker 1: a plasma cosmology, you don't need dark matter dark energy, So.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just a new I think people try to
Speaker 5: terms attach words to certain things of which you know,
Speaker 5: all the ancients all had their own definition of what
Speaker 5: they were trying to describe as reality, and we're just
Speaker 5: coming up with new words, acting like we're smarter, you.
Speaker 1: Know, that's literally that's why it's like we're just trying
Speaker 1: to conceptualize it, right, So like yeah, and I say
Speaker 1: this too when I say like three D forty five
Speaker 1: D plasma, like that's the way my brain can see,
Speaker 1: and like certain people are understanding it. But there's always
Speaker 1: been this like three level thing, and you know, the
Speaker 1: these two things are communicating by this in between level
Speaker 1: by Hermes or interdimensional traveler, you know, between Heaven and Earth,
Speaker 1: and there's this middle layer. So I teach a lot
Speaker 1: in my magic classes and book about like how to
Speaker 1: work with the middle layer, because the middle layer is
Speaker 1: also around us, is our biofield. So the more we
Speaker 1: become coherent with our own energy field, the more we
Speaker 1: can work with reality and you know, co create it.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, I love how you brought up work. I
Speaker 5: love how you brought up Hermes as the Messenger and
Speaker 5: almost like the in between kind of thing, because even
Speaker 5: even her Hermes is known as the Messenger, and even
Speaker 5: the Greeks would call them mercury, right, but in mercury
Speaker 5: being one of the key components to all alchemical mixtures, right,
Speaker 5: And it's just crazy, how you know they they took
Speaker 5: away alchemy and created the the science without the spirit,
Speaker 5: and that's kind of what led us here.
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, I talked about that, like I think
Speaker 1: the I think that's why science is becoming magic again.
Speaker 1: I think we're kind of coming back around to the
Speaker 1: fact that science cannot answer everything, and science without consciousness
Speaker 1: is like not making there there. Please explain to me
Speaker 1: and science why it's okay that the standard model and
Speaker 1: the classical model don't reconcile with each other. And like
Speaker 1: we you still don't know anything in science, like material wise,
Speaker 1: we can figure stuff out and create things, but there's
Speaker 1: so many paradoxes and things we don't know, Like there's
Speaker 1: so much missing. So like of course I can introduce
Speaker 1: something new because there's so many cracks in science, like
Speaker 1: we don't know any we don't even know like like
Speaker 1: our model of like the atom and the electron, like
Speaker 1: these are all just models.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, it's it is interesting because even in science,
Speaker 5: you know, science the way that they as far as
Speaker 5: I understand the way that they are trying to science
Speaker 5: fy things is by measuring something, But how do you
Speaker 5: measure the spirit?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 5: And that's really where I think it got all, you know,
Speaker 5: super away from them, because if you looked at at
Speaker 5: like old alchemical components, you know, the way that alchemy
Speaker 5: would work through trying to describe a blade of grass,
Speaker 5: it would it would encompass everything, it would encompass all
Speaker 5: the plants that were around it, it would encompass the
Speaker 5: color and what the color is trying to tell you.
Speaker 5: And it's almost like it's trying to tell you what
Speaker 5: its essence is along with its physical properties, and for
Speaker 5: some reason that that's just not around. I mean, I
Speaker 5: hope that it's coming back though. That sounds awesome.
Speaker 1: I think it is. I mean, I'm trying to bring
Speaker 1: some of that stuff back. That's a new book I'm
Speaker 1: eventually going to put out. It's called a New Science,
Speaker 1: Well that's the working title, but it's more about like
Speaker 1: a holistic science or expanded science. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, I think we absolutely got to get back to
Speaker 5: that too, because there's a lot of harmful shit that
Speaker 5: we're putting into our body, and whether it's on purpose
Speaker 5: due to the elites of the world, or due to
Speaker 5: just our ignorance of understanding what goes in our body,
Speaker 5: maybe a little bit about actually I'm both, yeah, but
Speaker 5: I think that we do need to create that kind
Speaker 5: of that coalescence in between the two, Like we need
Speaker 5: to be almost not necessarily relying on higher powers or
Speaker 5: who we deem as higher powers to tell us what's
Speaker 5: right and what's wrong.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think going back to like the laws
Speaker 1: of energy and like realizing that, you know, I think
Speaker 1: it's obvious now, and I'm not a doctor, but I
Speaker 1: think most cancers start from like emotions and stress, not genetics,
Speaker 1: and I think someone did real research on that, like
Speaker 1: a boor Mayti or something. So the point is, like
Speaker 1: we need to it's not about like learning more about
Speaker 1: medication or technologies. It's literally managing our stress. Like there's
Speaker 1: a consciousness epidemic and that's all it is because we
Speaker 1: haven't had to develop it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, it's just too much reliance on the system,
Speaker 5: and I think that the last five or six years
Speaker 5: has shown us probably shouldn't be doing that too.
Speaker 4: Much, you know.
Speaker 1: Now, I mean we're just a mess, but yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean things have to come apart to you know, for
Speaker 1: us to realize there's a problem. So it's now just
Speaker 1: like what are we literally going to do about it?
Speaker 1: Like are we all going to keep fighting with each
Speaker 1: other or we all can actually like create real change,
Speaker 1: And like what does that even look like? And for me,
Speaker 1: it's like not being if I fight the government and
Speaker 1: speak out against them all the time, like that will
Speaker 1: get me nowhere, but in jail are murdered. And if
Speaker 1: I instead befriend people at those levels and not even
Speaker 1: befriend them, but more get on their level and learn
Speaker 1: their psyche and like try to at least create change
Speaker 1: within that, that's the only possibility we even have it
Speaker 1: creating change, you know what I mean. It's like like
Speaker 1: I wrote my book for people in the government to read,
Speaker 1: and I would hope that it would give them some
Speaker 1: type of awakening of their ego and that they need
Speaker 1: to heal their own trauma because they're like ruining the world.
Speaker 5: Well I hope, so, yeah, that that would be great.
Speaker 5: I heard somebody say, man, if if we could just
Speaker 5: get all the world's leaders together and just give all
Speaker 5: of them bags of mushrooms and just put them in
Speaker 5: a room for like six hours, maybe the world would.
Speaker 4: Change a little bit, but.
Speaker 2: Fends.
Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe the embrace a version of that would just
Speaker 5: tell them to read your book.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I will, I will, I'll be less narcissistic.
Speaker 1: I made. I was like, yeah, I'm like, no mushrooms,
Speaker 1: read a New Force. But what I what I really
Speaker 1: think would help is if we did get them all
Speaker 1: in a room and you know, did have them do
Speaker 1: some inner child work and face all their deepest, darkest
Speaker 1: traumas like dead, sober, and then have to integrate them
Speaker 1: and then see how they're projecting that onto like humanity,
Speaker 1: and like because they have all the power, they're creating
Speaker 1: this reality like for the most part, you know, so
Speaker 1: letting them see that they're creating a self fulfilling prophecy
Speaker 1: of a mess, and also that there's there's also like
Speaker 1: you know, like the ozone layer is healing, right, so
Speaker 1: there's also like good stuff happening that like the news
Speaker 1: doesn't report on, which is annoying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't get views.
Speaker 1: That's the problem.
Speaker 2: A lot of the good things don't get views.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well that shows the state of consciousness we're in.
Speaker 1: It's just like the girls, like the Toxic Girls, always
Speaker 1: going for the bad eyes because they don't like nice
Speaker 1: guys because they hate themselves inside. And I'm talking being
Speaker 1: one of those people who did that, and it's it's
Speaker 1: the same thing. It's like for some reason, we're pulled
Speaker 1: towards this toxicity because it helps us not face ourselves.
Speaker 1: So the more I think we face ourselves, the more
Speaker 1: we'll actually be interested in good news and that nourishing
Speaker 1: content versus drama. But it's never gonna go away, like
Speaker 1: we always need to. Like, I love reality TV because
Speaker 1: it helps me not think sometimes like.
Speaker 5: You know, we can't helps you make you feel better
Speaker 5: about yourself, you know, I get.
Speaker 1: I mean it, I feel like it doesn't because I
Speaker 1: know I'm crazy. So for me, it helps me just
Speaker 1: like get more just like usurped or I don't know
Speaker 1: that's the right word in like someone's drama. And I
Speaker 1: just love it.
Speaker 2: Also, I don't think crazy people know they're crazy, that's true,
Speaker 2: letting you know that. I don't even think that they
Speaker 2: would even mention it, like you just know, Yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean that's a good sign.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean you know, like I you know,
Speaker 1: I'm an ex drug addicts, So like when I'm watching
Speaker 1: reality TV. I'm like, oh, like I was like that,
Speaker 1: like when I was seventeen, and yes, if they're a
Speaker 1: little older and maybe get your act together. But then again,
Speaker 1: like here I was two months ago, you know, chasing
Speaker 1: a toxic guy, like I have my own shit to
Speaker 1: work on.
Speaker 4: All I feel that. Yeah yeah, yeah, no matter.
Speaker 1: How much I know, I'm you know, very all of
Speaker 1: us are working on ourselves. We need to all really
Speaker 1: say that because I don't care who wrote the most
Speaker 1: enlightened book they have problems behind the scenes.
Speaker 2: I don't care what anybody it all figured out. I
Speaker 2: can almost guarantee that I think people are just better
Speaker 2: at looking like they haven't figured out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's not fucking helping anyone.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 5: I bet even Sad Guru got his fucking problems, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I won't say who, No, wait, I won't say. This
Speaker 1: is controversial, but yes, even like some of the religious
Speaker 1: figures have done really weird shit if you look into it,
Speaker 1: like it's.
Speaker 2: Probably most of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm saying, Like, don't put anyone met included,
Speaker 1: everyone included on a pedestal, and it's like we're all
Speaker 1: writing books and we're all mirrors and if we of egos,
Speaker 1: please shut us down. And just like we're all you know,
Speaker 1: as rum Das says, walking each other home. So like
Speaker 1: I would hope that my book is a remembrance of
Speaker 1: your own inner power and you create your own magic
Speaker 1: while reading my book. And if you agree with the
Speaker 1: plasma stuff and it resonates, you know, and it helps
Speaker 1: people look more into plasma and like changes humanity. Great,
Speaker 1: I'm one out of many, Like there's many people who've
Speaker 1: changed me, who helped me do what I do. So
Speaker 1: it's like we're all helping each other. But the second
Speaker 1: you get like a huge ego, and I'm sure I
Speaker 1: have an ego, but the second you get a huge
Speaker 1: ego about it, I think are on a pedestal and
Speaker 1: you know, you're wearing all white and you're this like
Speaker 1: god or goddess of humanity. It's like you're in a jackass.
Speaker 2: Yeah, none of us, none of us haven't figured out
Speaker 2: and so well, you know, it's it's just so interesting
Speaker 2: to me that you know this this just this place,
Speaker 2: you know, I feel like and I have this experience
Speaker 2: where it seemed like we were on psychedelics just to
Speaker 2: kind of put that out there, but this place seemed
Speaker 2: very chaot like. It was the first thirty minutes of
Speaker 2: the of the ride up, you know, and I went
Speaker 2: into the backyard and everything was just kind of like
Speaker 2: the weeds were kind of blowing in the wind, and
Speaker 2: everything just kind of seemed like so chaotic. And I
Speaker 2: feel like what we do, is we or maybe what
Speaker 2: our brain does, is it it makes everything a little
Speaker 2: bit more culpable, you know. And I think that that's
Speaker 2: what we do as well with our own belief systems.
Speaker 2: And see, this is what I don't get about people
Speaker 2: that will and it's fine, I mean, to each their own,
Speaker 2: you know, but the people that choose to believe in
Speaker 2: stuff that is inherently scary, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like things that are just like they're meant to be scary.
Speaker 2: It's like, why would you choose to believe in that?
Speaker 2: And so I think that's what we really need to
Speaker 2: get away from whenever. It is that if we're kind
Speaker 2: of building, Yeah, if we're building our own story, why
Speaker 2: are we going to put that in there?
Speaker 1: Because it's the narrative and it's like learned helplessness. So
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess like maybe I was in that
Speaker 1: state when I was having sleep process when I was
Speaker 1: like maybe thirteen or fourteen. I remember definitely thinking I
Speaker 1: was haunted by demons, Like everything was about ghosts and
Speaker 1: demons and paranormal and I was so obsessed. And it
Speaker 1: was also like right after a horrible trauma I experienced.
Speaker 1: And I think it's just like it's the more fear based,
Speaker 1: the more people bring up evil, because evil's human created
Speaker 1: evil's fear. So I would say the amount someone believes
Speaker 1: in the evil stuff, I think that reflects the amount
Speaker 1: of fear they have and the amount of control they're
Speaker 1: grasping onto right with because you know, the whole thing
Speaker 1: was selling your soul the devil. It's like you think
Speaker 1: you have ultimate control and really like you don't at all.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think it works like an algorithm. I
Speaker 2: think that's how our life goes. You know, the more
Speaker 2: energy you put into something, the more that you're going
Speaker 2: to see, you know what I'm saying. So that seems
Speaker 2: to be what's going on.
Speaker 1: No, And it's so silly because what you're saying is
Speaker 1: so true. I resonate with that completely. It's like, if
Speaker 1: we're going to use this energy, right, to create our stories,
Speaker 1: create a good one. The more of us that do that,
Speaker 1: the more it will literally collectively have happened. Because the
Speaker 1: outer reflects the inner. So it's like we can change
Speaker 1: the future. We don't need to be like oh, the
Speaker 1: future like no, like the future like yay, like.
Speaker 4: Come on, yeah and new learnest all the time, you
Speaker 4: know exactly.
Speaker 2: And I feel like it could be easy to do that,
Speaker 2: you know, with going back to existential crisis. You know,
Speaker 2: if the universe is kind of just chaotic and infinite
Speaker 2: in an eternal that could be kind of a nerve
Speaker 2: racking feeling just in itself, I think, you know, But
Speaker 2: as far as like changing the government and doing all that,
Speaker 2: I don't even think that that's the point. I don't
Speaker 2: we think that's what we're supposed to do. I think
Speaker 2: if we change, it just automatically has to No.
Speaker 1: I think so too. I think I think you're right.
Speaker 1: I think it's a good point. And I think the
Speaker 1: existential thing and the you made the I think it's
Speaker 1: easier to not take accountability one you believe in the
Speaker 1: whole determinism thing. So I think a lot of people
Speaker 1: have done like many corrupt things like are at peace,
Speaker 1: knowing that like won't affect them, but like it will
Speaker 1: and it carries on after this life. But yeah, I think,
Speaker 1: and you know, we've all made mistakes, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: I've made bad mistakes. I was an ex drug addict,
Speaker 1: So I don't think we need to guilt ourselves either.
Speaker 1: But as far as like, I think we could just
Speaker 1: take accountability right and like the adults about who we
Speaker 1: are in reality and that we can be co creating.
Speaker 1: The second we're aware of that is the second we
Speaker 1: need to drop this victim merit. And I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: people are comfortable in it because then they don't have
Speaker 1: to take accountability for their own life. They're like, oh,
Speaker 1: this happens to me. I'm unlucky, the government, the rules,
Speaker 1: And it's like yeah, but then how do so many
Speaker 1: people succeed.
Speaker 2: Like right now because they're not writing the victim narrative.
Speaker 2: You are literally writing your own narrative and you're going
Speaker 2: to continue to be that character in that.
Speaker 1: Why then we're slept in haunted by demons Like it's
Speaker 1: because he doesn't think that way exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I always thought it was funny.
Speaker 5: It's like, you know, people who aren't religious tend not
Speaker 5: to be mocked by demons. You know, it's just weird
Speaker 5: how that happens that way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And when I had those experiences, it's because I
Speaker 1: was talking to people about them or thinking about and
Speaker 1: then it would happen. It's just like the story in
Speaker 1: my consciousness.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're kind of signed up for it and dug
Speaker 2: into and put your through your energy.
Speaker 5: Yet Yeah, well looks Dana. We like to buy a
Speaker 5: book from anybody that comes on the show. We like
Speaker 5: to buy the book to China like support and contribute
Speaker 5: and everything. But if anybody's curious about where they can
Speaker 5: find your book, where do they go?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so here's my book for people watching video on
Speaker 1: new force, Plasma Consciousness and a new human potential. It
Speaker 1: is like I think it's actually six hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: six pages, which is hilarious, but that's the number of balance.
Speaker 1: They just book it over and made it the beast,
Speaker 1: but it really is the number of balance and unheart
Speaker 1: and green energy. But you can get a signed one.
Speaker 1: I have a few sign books left on my website
Speaker 1: Dana Kipple dot com. Then you can also get on Amazon,
Speaker 1: and the best way to find it on Amazon is
Speaker 1: go on my Instagram data at the Alien It's in
Speaker 1: the link in my bio, and you can also go
Speaker 1: to my YouTube Plasma Intelligence the link in my bio
Speaker 1: and my TikTok at Dana Kipple. It's the link in
Speaker 1: my bio and in that link in my bio. Also
Speaker 1: are my magic classes where I teach every six weeks
Speaker 1: a new Science of Higher Consciousness class on everything the
Speaker 1: magic of plasma and consciousness, communicating with other plasma beings.
Speaker 1: I'm doing one on communicating with the Higher Self and
Speaker 1: the secret of the four D Plasma Bridge. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I just do like funds this that bring tangible results,
Speaker 1: because I wouldn't teach anything that didn't, because that's just
Speaker 1: being a snake oil salesman. I teach what we do.
Speaker 4: Get weird, dude.
Speaker 5: We love it, love all the weirdness. It's it's time.
Speaker 5: It's time, and I think that a lot more people
Speaker 5: are going to be way more open to this kind
Speaker 5: of information and knowledge that you're putting out, probably more
Speaker 5: now than any other time, you know, at least in
Speaker 5: our lifetimes for sure, because you know, this kind of stuff,
Speaker 5: I feel like probably used to be mocked heavily or
Speaker 5: you know, it was it's heretical or something like that.
Speaker 5: But I feel like we're coming into an age now
Speaker 5: to where a lot more people are a lot more
Speaker 5: open minded and almost more malleable as far as their
Speaker 5: minds go.
Speaker 1: It's the age of the subtle energy that's what creates
Speaker 1: this reality. And I'm teaching the science of the subtle energy.
Speaker 1: So it's like modern day alchemy.
Speaker 2: Bruh Is. I love it. And like you said, there's
Speaker 2: a lot of cracks and science, you know, and so
Speaker 2: might as well, you know what I mean, give me.
Speaker 1: I love science for like material reality, material science, right,
Speaker 1: and then there's like, well, we need a science for consciousness.
Speaker 1: So I'm one of many creating that. In my perspective,
Speaker 1: Well love it.
Speaker 5: We appreciate that, professor, and you have done. I love
Speaker 5: these kind of conversations. These are the best because this
Speaker 5: gives me a little bit of hope.
Speaker 4: I mean not that I'm without hope.
Speaker 5: It just gives me a little bit more hope knowing
Speaker 5: that it's more than just a talking point, that there
Speaker 5: is real hours and real research and there's real thought
Speaker 5: that's going into this kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: You know. Well, I want to speak on that actually
Speaker 1: because I question that every day, Like, is this my ego?
Speaker 1: Am I doing this because I want to be famous?
Speaker 1: Because I've always want to be famous, to like a
Speaker 1: famous actress? Right? Am I doing this because I'm seeing
Speaker 1: that it brings me money, which it didn't for a
Speaker 1: very long time, and it didn't bring fame for very
Speaker 1: long time either. But I question that every day and
Speaker 1: I think that's healthy, and I think the second it
Speaker 1: stops that is the second I would move on to
Speaker 1: something else. This is my passion. I live what I teach,
Speaker 1: and if I some I don't live everything I teach
Speaker 1: because it takes time to embody what I teach, but
Speaker 1: I attempt to embody it every day. Right, There's some
Speaker 1: things you can know and teach and not fully embody
Speaker 1: because I'm human and it takes time to do that.
Speaker 1: But I know and feel. I know and feel what
Speaker 1: I'm saying is true, and I know it's supposed to
Speaker 1: help people. And that's why I do it because I
Speaker 1: have felt so much pain and I felt so alone,
Speaker 1: and I felt so disempowered, and this helped me feel
Speaker 1: magic and empowered and change my life. So it's like,
Speaker 1: why not spread that to other people in pain and
Speaker 1: feeling disconnected and reminding them of the magic of life.
Speaker 1: And if I can make it my full time job,
Speaker 1: which I now have, that is fucking great. Go me.
Speaker 1: Like money's and energy exchange its currency. Everyone deserves to
Speaker 1: make money doing what they love. Y. You know, as
Speaker 1: long as I'm not scamming people or charging I charged
Speaker 1: ninety nine dollars for like a four hour Q and
Speaker 1: A and class. That's people are charging thousands for that.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, there ain't nothing wrong with making a living
Speaker 2: out of living, you know, No, I'll tell you that
Speaker 2: there's something wrong about it.
Speaker 1: But oh, I know, but that's their own money blocks.
Speaker 1: And I know that because I used to be that
Speaker 1: person jealous of other people doing this, and I'd be like, oh,
Speaker 1: what an idiot. They're scammers, and like I took one
Speaker 1: that changed my life, and I was like, Okay, they're
Speaker 1: not all scammers. It's fine.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, Well, I feel like as far as being
Speaker 5: able to embody it and integrate all this information that
Speaker 5: we are constantly trying to research and learn and try
Speaker 5: to you know, just intake, eventually we will get to
Speaker 5: a point to where we can literally just every moment
Speaker 5: that passes we're constantly embodying it and integrating it, and
Speaker 5: whenever that time comes, we're just gonna be fucking levitating
Speaker 5: off the ground.
Speaker 1: I think at that point, my that's my goal before
Speaker 1: I die, is to be able to be on a
Speaker 1: stage in a sphere in Las Vegas and actualize a
Speaker 1: plasma ball in my hand because reality is so malleable,
Speaker 1: because we all believe it is, so we can straight
Speaker 1: or levitate. That would be cool too. I think maybe
Speaker 1: we get that done. We have a lot of time left.
Speaker 1: We just need to make everyone believe its possible.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, I definitely think that it is. I think we're
Speaker 5: living in probably the coolest lifetime.
Speaker 1: Like I know how to which just getting started.
Speaker 5: And to be kind of like people who are pushing
Speaker 5: it to that that like most awesome lifetime. I don't know,
Speaker 5: not to say that we're a massive pillar by any means,
Speaker 5: but if we can even be a toothpick on the
Speaker 5: Eiffel Tower they're trying to build to spirituality, I'm thankful
Speaker 5: for that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I mean, just if you want to be
Speaker 1: a massive pillar, say you're a massive pillar, and then
Speaker 1: watch it happen. You know, That's that's how reality works.
Speaker 1: It's just and if it feels too big for you,
Speaker 1: because I've had this happen with me, and then it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: why do I feel that? And it's just about questioning
Speaker 1: ourselves right and self inquiry because I have that all
Speaker 1: the time. I'm like, oh, I want to you know,
Speaker 1: I dream really big. And then it's like my mind
Speaker 1: cuts that off because it's trying to protect me, and
Speaker 1: it's like no, Like, if I want to have a
Speaker 1: platform with millions of people, then I should because I
Speaker 1: know I want to help people, Like I know my
Speaker 1: intentions are pure, so of course I deserve that. We
Speaker 1: all deserve our biggest dreams. This is our reality to create.
Speaker 1: So like, yeah, everyone should dream big. And just like
Speaker 1: the movie dream Big. I think it was such a
Speaker 1: good movie, the one Timothy Shalmy. Because I'm going spoiler,
Speaker 1: do not listen to this part if you have not
Speaker 1: seen the movie. So at the at the end of
Speaker 1: dream Big, he wins this torment. He wins against the
Speaker 1: guy he's always wanted to beat. He didn't even have
Speaker 1: to go to this big tornament. He wins in this
Speaker 1: like janky kind of tournament that's being put on. And
Speaker 1: then instead of going to the biggest tournament that he
Speaker 1: thought was his dream. He actually goes back and watches
Speaker 1: his child be born and goes back to this woman
Speaker 1: that he had been like not treating well. And it
Speaker 1: kind of shows that like the dream we think is
Speaker 1: the dream, maybe our ego dream, when really the dream
Speaker 1: is in our heart, which for him was like to
Speaker 1: be a father. And I think he was finally like
Speaker 1: accepting that. And my point is, I don't know what
Speaker 1: my point is and how I got here, but my
Speaker 1: point is, figure out your dream from your heart, not
Speaker 1: your ego, and know that you deserve it because it's
Speaker 1: your destiny. And if you're aligned with that and make
Speaker 1: choices every day, don't rush. It's divine timing. But it
Speaker 1: will happen, and it'll happen in the most mysterious way,
Speaker 1: beyond something you can ever conceptualize. But yeah, you have
Speaker 1: to dream big.
Speaker 4: Perfect I love it.
Speaker 2: It's just the natural unfolding of things. You know, quit
Speaker 2: getting in your own way.
Speaker 1: That's you said it way more simpler than me. That's
Speaker 1: way better.
Speaker 4: I try to complicate.
Speaker 5: So look, every episode we like to do a single
Speaker 5: card tarot poll, and usually it embodies the energy of
Speaker 5: the show. Usually I'm not trying to, you know, get out,
Speaker 5: but usually that's how it goes. So, Sean, did you grow?
Speaker 5: Did you draw a card?
Speaker 2: Got it? I'm ready, I'm ready for you. We got
Speaker 2: the Queen of Cups. Think it's going to hit Howard.
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 5: Maybe I want to see uh, I want to see
Speaker 5: what it looks like here. So we we've been trying to, like,
Speaker 5: so we we read this book and it's like an
Speaker 5: old school book, trying to understand like the the the
Speaker 5: deeper symbol in tarot, right, and then we just recently
Speaker 5: did an episode on the Minor Arcana, so we did
Speaker 5: the whole like several episodes on the major arcana than
Speaker 5: just one gangster episode on the minor arcana. And so
Speaker 5: we're really trying to get a get used to just
Speaker 5: looking at it and reading it intuitively.
Speaker 4: But then we also have a book that we like
Speaker 4: to read from.
Speaker 1: Oh good, read the books. I don't know what the.
Speaker 5: Means, all right, So the Queen of Cups, it says
Speaker 5: queens in Tarot represent feminine energy that includes receptivity, creativity, nurturing,
Speaker 5: and love. The Queen of Cups is entirely emotional carrying
Speaker 5: the double element of water, she feels deeply expressing her
Speaker 5: emotions and wearing her heart on her sleeve. We see
Speaker 5: the queen seated on a throne decorated with shells and
Speaker 5: baby mermaids, signifying her connection to maternal instincts and ability
Speaker 5: to create life. The throne is surrounded by water, so
Speaker 5: she truly is in her element. The golden crown on
Speaker 5: her head suggests her connection to higher consciousness, and she
Speaker 5: gazes at a covered chalice in her hands, intuitively protecting
Speaker 5: its contents.
Speaker 1: Ooh, the chalice plasma.
Speaker 2: And you'll notice there's a lot of blue in the card,
Speaker 2: which we just learned actually has to do with communication,
Speaker 2: which is exactly what you're doing here, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. You're coming on the show and you're expressing
Speaker 2: your thoughts, and as scary as that can be, you know,
Speaker 2: thinking that oh, you know, you know, because to be honest,
Speaker 2: I feel like anytime I have an idea or I
Speaker 2: think that something might be a certain way, I'm like, ah,
Speaker 2: somebody else has already got that figured out. I'm sure
Speaker 2: you know that there's some scientists that already knows. And
Speaker 2: it's like thing, like you said, there's a lot of cracks,
Speaker 2: you know, and so you might as well start throwing
Speaker 2: ideas out there, especially if it really resonates with your experience,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, your ideas are you know, god given right there
Speaker 1: from your higher self. So if you're having one, go
Speaker 1: with it right away if it really grabs on, and
Speaker 1: if it doesn't, then you're probably not meant to follow
Speaker 1: it anyway. But yeah, yeah, well.
Speaker 5: Look, there's also a spiritual message that we like to
Speaker 5: read from it. As if like that wasn't spiritual, but
Speaker 5: let's go. So the spiritual spiritual message for the Queen
Speaker 5: of Cups says, focus on developing your intuitive abilities. Activities
Speaker 5: like dream analysis and journaling about messages that you receive
Speaker 5: in dreams can help you become more in tune with
Speaker 5: your inner self. Spend as much time as you can
Speaker 5: with people who inspire you, and embrace activities that allow
Speaker 5: you to be more creative. You may also find joy
Speaker 5: and spending time at home nesting, redecorating, and putting your
Speaker 5: love into everything that you do, which I think is perfect.
Speaker 5: It says, spend as much time as you can with
Speaker 5: people who inspire you. Dana, You definitely do that for us,
Speaker 5: and it was such an honor to have you on
Speaker 5: the show. This was so amazing, been looking forward to it,
Speaker 5: and it did not.
Speaker 4: Sometimes.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it didn't disappoint at all. Sometimes they say don't
Speaker 5: meet your heroes. I mean that bullshit.
Speaker 1: I'm the same on and off camera. I really am.
Speaker 4: I Yeah I get that too.
Speaker 2: So well.
Speaker 5: Yeah, look, I know a lot of shithads out there, sids,
Speaker 5: but yeah, this was so much fun. Look, we're gonna
Speaker 5: put all your links down in the show notes below
Speaker 5: as well as uh so your your website and for
Speaker 5: anybody that wants to be able to find your book.
Speaker 4: That is a thick so it's probably gonna last you
Speaker 4: at least a month, I would imagine to get through.
Speaker 1: That batt the table book.
Speaker 4: Yeah, probably a great conversation starter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can just open to it, do some bibliomancy,
Speaker 1: find a random sentence and there you go.
Speaker 2: Oh, yes, I love it. I love it.
Speaker 5: Yes, Well, Sean, any parting words for you, my good man?
Speaker 2: Oh man, I think you said it best man. I'm
Speaker 2: really glad that you were you were able to come
Speaker 2: and join us and just kind of express the things
Speaker 2: that that you've been you know, really following and experiencing
Speaker 2: and putting the pieces together, you know, where science doesn't
Speaker 2: seem to have it all together yet. And yeah, I
Speaker 2: really loved this. Uh this conversation, super fun.
Speaker 1: Thank you. And one thing to say to you, Sean,
Speaker 1: just because you brought it up. When you get that
Speaker 1: idea anything, people have thought of it already. No one's
Speaker 1: thought of the idea with your unique perspective, which is
Speaker 1: why the idea is coming to you. So it's yeah,
Speaker 1: very important.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: Perfect You're a scientist.
Speaker 2: We all are.
Speaker 5: Hey, nobody has your perspective, you know, you're the only
Speaker 5: one with it. So uh yeah, Dana, thank you so much.
Speaker 5: And uh well we'll talk a little bit after. But
Speaker 5: but look, if Dana the alien.
Speaker 4: Came here and she taught you anything, it's.
Speaker 2: That you don't know what you don't know, so don't
Speaker 2: just get weird stably super Even that one man was great, Dre.
Speaker 2: I was just allowing the thoughts to happen, you know,
Speaker 2: rather than trying to clear my mind and all of this,
Speaker 2: like there's no one way to meditate. I was just
Speaker 2: writing the thought, you know that it was just like
Speaker 2: a stream of thought, and I was thinking about this,
Speaker 2: and then I was thinking about that and and just
Speaker 2: kind of just letting it go the way it wanted
Speaker 2: to go. And uh, yeah, no, it was it was
Speaker 2: a it was a It was a great meditation. And
Speaker 2: it's funny because I actually was thinking about, you know, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, it really isn't that hard as far as
Speaker 2: like getting out of your own way and starting to
Speaker 2: write something like when it comes to you know, things
Speaker 2: of the mind anyway, your own intellect. Really, all it's
Speaker 2: a matter of is just putting pen to paper or
Speaker 2: typing up a word document. Just get started. I think
Speaker 2: we get in our own way. I don't know. I
Speaker 2: think you're waiting to become a certain thing in order
Speaker 2: to start the journey of being a writer, right and
Speaker 2: you're starting to write your own book. But I think
Speaker 2: you're already in the journey right now, right, So there's
Speaker 2: no like pivotal moment of like this is when I
Speaker 2: should start. I don't know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, you're right, I don't think that there There
Speaker 5: is no such thing as the perfect time, you know,
Speaker 5: it's just about getting on with it now. I was
Speaker 5: just like really shocked about what I just read.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I saw that it was kind of like,
Speaker 2: what's going.
Speaker 4: On, dude, my god?
Speaker 5: Because I was I was like, at the beginning of
Speaker 5: my meditation, I was like, there was this these two
Speaker 5: words that came into my mind, and I don't know
Speaker 5: for what reason, but I think I set the intention
Speaker 5: that like, if there's a book title, then maybe it'll
Speaker 5: come to me in a meditation, right, right, And I
Speaker 5: kept on getting like right, like I just heard this
Speaker 5: these two words, and it's liber noose And I was like,
Speaker 5: all right, well, I know what noos is is liber
Speaker 5: like liberate because noos is the mind, right, so it'd
Speaker 5: be like liberate the mind kind of right, okay, And
Speaker 5: I just looked it up. Bro, how about I never
Speaker 5: knew this, but literally liber noose translates to free us.
Speaker 2: Oh that's crazy.
Speaker 5: Wow, that just ca Yeah, I don't I've never heard
Speaker 5: that before. That's what I'm speaking in fucking French now,
Speaker 5: and my.
Speaker 4: Thoughts that's awesome, what the hell?
Speaker 5: And but I did see that actually, Uh, Carl, do
Speaker 5: you remember the guest that we had on and she
Speaker 5: was talking about Carl Jung's read book that it wasn't
Speaker 5: released until like one hundred years later or whatever because
Speaker 5: they didn't want to romanticize his his psychopathy, whatever the
Speaker 5: fuck was.
Speaker 4: Going on in his mind.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't tell you who he had on, but
Speaker 2: ye that I can recall that.
Speaker 5: The name of his book, of that red book, which
Speaker 5: I swear I did not know this, but he named
Speaker 5: it liber novus, so literally it looks like liber noose
Speaker 5: but he adds a V in the middle.
Speaker 2: Oh. Interesting, Wow, you might have to read that one. Huh.
Speaker 2: They did release it.
Speaker 5: Right, yeah, yeah, eventually they did. But it says what
Speaker 5: does the French word noose mean? I always thought the
Speaker 5: noose was mine?
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 5: Uh, Well, in French noose means we okay, okay, so yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean liber meaning liber meaning free.
Speaker 2: And then us.
Speaker 4: Yeah that makes sense.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I mean interesting, to liberate is too free,
Speaker 5: so same thing. I guess that's super cool though. This
Speaker 5: is excually what we're talking about in that episode. Man,
Speaker 5: things just coming to you that you weren't even thinking about,
Speaker 5: or you or had zero prior knowledge of, you know.
Speaker 4: To free us? Dude, what do you think that means?
Speaker 5: Is it almost I had to you need to write
Speaker 5: a book, and that's the only way you can free
Speaker 5: what is going on?
Speaker 2: And I don't know, the world that is your your
Speaker 2: innermost thoughts. Yeah, I am not sure, dude. I had
Speaker 2: an experience, I think this was last night. All of this,
Speaker 2: the the things with the the rotating mechanism, which seemed
Speaker 2: to me like a motorized something, just motorized within within
Speaker 2: my skull. And then I saw myself, and then there
Speaker 2: was and then I was also outside of myself, looking
Speaker 2: down kind of at myself. And then I also, like
Speaker 2: before all of that, because I was just in this
Speaker 2: like state of I don't know, you know what it was,
Speaker 2: state of mind, I guess, but I kept seeing like
Speaker 2: this veiled a veiled but like a like a tapestry almost,
Speaker 2: but it kind of looked more like one of those
Speaker 2: fancy rugs, you know what I mean. And it's just
Speaker 2: kind of like very symmetrical, and there's like a center
Speaker 2: point and it was like revealing itself and I could
Speaker 2: see it pretty clearly. Like it wasn't like I got
Speaker 2: all the colors or anything, but I could definitely see
Speaker 2: make out what I was looking at. And to me,
Speaker 2: it felt like it was like Maya. It was like
Speaker 2: the illusion that's what I was looking at, and it
Speaker 2: was just like showing itself. And so then when you
Speaker 2: say free us, you know, I think of freeing us
Speaker 2: from like the illusion, and I mean really the illusion
Speaker 2: we create for ourselves, you know, and some of that
Speaker 2: we kind of adopted of course, you know, and it's
Speaker 2: all kind of encompassing. But I don't know, man, I
Speaker 2: think people just need to and myself concluded, need to
Speaker 2: get out of our own way and just start doing
Speaker 2: the thing. Start being the thing, and stop waiting for
Speaker 2: this other thing that we don't even know what it
Speaker 2: would look like if it showed itself, you know, just
Speaker 2: start just let it blow, start start doing the thing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: otherwise you're.
Speaker 5: Right, because otherwise you're just gonna you know, nobody wants
Speaker 5: to be like that person that dies with regret, knowing
Speaker 5: that you had all that time, knowing that you could
Speaker 5: have and you had an idea, and and you had
Speaker 5: the time, and you had you know, like you had
Speaker 5: everything you needed to to take that next step, and
Speaker 5: to not do it. That's like, my biggest regrets are
Speaker 5: the things that I haven't done, not the things that
Speaker 5: I have.
Speaker 2: You know, it would be worse too. You get to
Speaker 2: that point in your life and you have these regrets
Speaker 2: of this thing that you wanted to do or whatever,
Speaker 2: and you think of all of the moments you could
Speaker 2: have done it, and you have zero excuses for why
Speaker 2: you didn't. I know that I think would be even
Speaker 2: worse than even the regret itself, because that would just
Speaker 2: way like super heavy on you. Man. You got no
Speaker 2: no reason why, you know, for not doing it.
Speaker 5: You may as well, yeah, you know what, just to
Speaker 5: get a little weird here, you know what. My first
Speaker 5: thought as soon as I saw that that said free us,
Speaker 5: it made me think of the fucking ello heem bro
Speaker 5: because they're always understood as plural, and like that was
Speaker 5: the first first time I ever had a super deep trip.
Speaker 4: It was like a conversation with them.
Speaker 5: So I almost feel like like whenever I'm tapping into
Speaker 5: the all of the mind or whatever, the Kingdom of
Speaker 5: God or whatever, it's like to that, yeah.
Speaker 2: Right right, It's something familiar. It's something that happened to organically.
Speaker 2: It wasn't forced, it was just part of your experience
Speaker 2: and so never even heard of before that. I don't
Speaker 2: even know what to make of that. You know, I've
Speaker 2: heard people saying like it's like the gods or the
Speaker 2: you know, the many gods or I'm not even sure exactly,
Speaker 2: but I don't even think that's the point. See, we
Speaker 2: were I was already gonna overcomplish getting literal with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And it's like, oh, you already said what
Speaker 2: it is kind of to you, and so why am
Speaker 2: I trying to reinterpret it? You know? And also most
Speaker 2: likely is.
Speaker 4: Not, dude, that book that I was reading.
Speaker 5: Her Corpus Hermaticum, which is I mean they say it's
Speaker 5: literally a book from Hermes, like it is Hermes's book
Speaker 5: that he wrote, and in that first because it's a
Speaker 5: book of seventeen books and I just read the first one.
Speaker 5: I didn't know that it was seventeen books in one.
Speaker 5: But it's dude, they're like eight or nine pages each.
Speaker 5: They're really not that much, but it's it is intricate reading.
Speaker 5: But whenever you're reading it, if you were to take
Speaker 5: this literal, I feel like, because I feel like now
Speaker 5: is the perfect time for me to try to read it,
Speaker 5: because maybe I would have taken some things more literal
Speaker 5: than I should have. You know, for example, whenever it
Speaker 5: talks about God, it in this book it refers to
Speaker 5: God as Him, like on the first or first or
Speaker 5: second page, it's like whenever it's like, oh yeah, and
Speaker 5: He is good and he created, and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 5: that's where you lose me. But then I started going
Speaker 5: a little bit farther and I and it says that
Speaker 5: God is is hermaphrodite, it's just that we call him he.
Speaker 5: And I was like, well, yeah, I think that God
Speaker 5: is a he if you're a man. And I think
Speaker 5: that God is a woman if you're a woman, because essentially,
Speaker 5: if that's what we are, and we're kind of just
Speaker 5: like a smaller, more defined version of what God is,
Speaker 5: then the your connection to that you would probably associate
Speaker 5: with whatever you are.
Speaker 4: It makes the most sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's just whatever you prefer it to be.
Speaker 5: It could be that too, But I'm just saying, like
Speaker 5: it's human nature to I don't know, Like I don't know.
Speaker 5: I guess I'm a little bit different too, Like because
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna name my car after a dude name,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, Because that that just seems
Speaker 5: a little a little weird to me. Like I wanna
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go hop in Fred real quick, Like no,
Speaker 5: I want to get inside of Betsy and you you
Speaker 5: what now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 5: Think we like to personalize, personalize, personalize. There, we go
Speaker 5: personalize a lot of things that are regarding you know,
Speaker 5: whatever it is. However, our minds work, our minds are.
Speaker 5: That's weird, weird things.
Speaker 2: That's what we're supposed to do anyways. Dude, yeah, man, yeah,
Speaker 2: good times. Man. Was this was a fun episode, greatization
Speaker 2: sho super cool.
Speaker 5: You know, that went way better than I thought it
Speaker 5: was going to.
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean I I had high hopes. I knew
Speaker 2: it was gonna go well, but no, I was just
Speaker 2: hoping that the party. You know that I'm always worried
Speaker 2: about me for some reason, Like.
Speaker 5: I was hoping that we wouldn't sound like shit. You know,
Speaker 5: I know, I'm happy that we were at least somewhat
Speaker 5: interesting to her.
Speaker 2: You know, right, Yeah, no, for sure, No, that went
Speaker 2: really well. It was a great conversation. So well, we
Speaker 2: hope you guys all like that. Hell yeah, dude, I
Speaker 2: know I did.
Speaker 4: Oh the best, the best. Yeah, and uh And what we.
Speaker 5: Have looking forward is Lord Byron with another one of
Speaker 5: his magician buddies that are gonna be coming on the
Speaker 5: show for the live show on Windows for the live Yeah, that's.
Speaker 2: Gonna be fun. That's gonna be fun. Ready the best.
Speaker 5: So anyhow, the one the initiates, the initiated, We love
Speaker 5: you and we'll see.
Speaker 2: You on the flip side.
Speaker 3: Imagine what would it happen if we had in the
Speaker 3: tract of the magic we had back.
Speaker 4: When we couldn't fathom life.
Speaker 3: It is the fantasy, not with the vanity, not the
Speaker 3: way it was back then. So I grabbed my pen
Speaker 3: and write.
Speaker 4: It down like a script.
Speaker 3: Shut missed the mistic making hits for the Misfits, the show.
Speaker 4: Where you don't know what you don't know when
Speaker 3: It's on again with Shawn and Jonathan Kid