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Speaker 1: is advised. We got some one or something rolling around
Speaker 1: out here?
Speaker 2: Does a legend walk among us working in the forests
Speaker 2: of our world?
Speaker 3: Did you see what it was?
Speaker 4: Was it a person or an animal?
Speaker 5: Or I can't go all the orgy?
Speaker 1: If my thunder light came on and I heard happen
Speaker 1: to glen and see the thing running across the yard
Speaker 1: A good fight man or something works like a man,
Speaker 1: I don't know what it worked.
Speaker 6: For over fifteen years, we've talked with scientists, researchers, investigators,
Speaker 6: and witnesses trying to gain in certain proof around the
Speaker 6: existence of this mysterious entity.
Speaker 1: Quite cal.
Speaker 7: Hello, get somebody out here.
Speaker 8: What could I announce that invented about?
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 8: Easy anount there? Yeah?
Speaker 7: The woking right?
Speaker 1: Ay? Okay, hang on, yeah, got it?
Speaker 9: Big?
Speaker 3: Okay, what are you doing here?
Speaker 10: Yard?
Speaker 11: We're gonna do.
Speaker 2: Join us as we continue into the investigation of the Sasquatch.
Speaker 11: Experience and good evening.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the Sasquatch Experience. I'm Sean the f chop Forker.
Speaker 2: That's Henry Mary Vance and has been down in the
Speaker 2: corner and we have a interesting show for you tonight.
Speaker 2: We may be a little bit technical difficulty as we
Speaker 2: got Vance whose computer gave him the big middle finger
Speaker 2: while he was loading up today.
Speaker 8: And Matt's a.
Speaker 11: Signment with the double bill mill right.
Speaker 2: So you know, again, as I like to tell the
Speaker 2: critics on that that portal that we use Apple iPad
Speaker 2: podcasts and Spotify that complain about the audio quality, you
Speaker 2: ain't seen nothing yet.
Speaker 8: And we don't know how bad.
Speaker 2: We can get because we used to be on this
Speaker 2: platform called blog talk Radio, which believe it or not,
Speaker 2: back in the day was really good and Steve calls
Speaker 2: over on Squatch GTV put a neat little blob up
Speaker 2: about it. The Steve, of course one of the first
Speaker 2: shows on blog talk radio, Big Photo Air Paranormal, and
Speaker 2: then of course we came on to the scene and Henry,
Speaker 2: you and I started that in October two thousand and
Speaker 2: six over there on blog talk and you talk about
Speaker 2: audio quality.
Speaker 8: Today, I was going through to do a.
Speaker 2: Like a reboot of an old episode to get it
Speaker 2: out the A Sasquatch Experience Classic and James Baker sounded
Speaker 2: like he had a reggie and somebody cut his tongue off.
Speaker 2: So I'm working through that audio to try to get
Speaker 2: that so folks can listen. We have a lot of
Speaker 2: these old episodes back there.
Speaker 7: That audio quality was kind of like Alexander Graham Bell's
Speaker 7: first speech, and.
Speaker 2: Of course you know it's not regular without just trying
Speaker 2: to get some of.
Speaker 8: Our chats to show peer.
Speaker 2: Scott says, Hey, gang, hanging out on the Facebook tonight.
Speaker 8: It's great to see us. Scott, Thanks Scott.
Speaker 2: Executive producer Brian Corbin, Evening, gentlemen, good evening to you
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Speaker 2: got some great Patreons. We want to take a moment
Speaker 2: and thank them each and every show for the support
Speaker 2: they give us, because it does help pay the bills,
Speaker 2: it does help use equipment. We're going to be making
Speaker 2: some modifications here to see if we can get the
Speaker 2: audio better and replays because when we hear it live
Speaker 2: sounds much different when you hear it in the playback.
Speaker 8: So Bill with us. You know, I keep saying it
Speaker 8: gets better.
Speaker 5: It does.
Speaker 8: We've been putting out content though.
Speaker 2: Last week we had a video from Henry, a couple
Speaker 2: of videos from Baker. Matt's got one in the pipeline coming.
Speaker 8: Up to you.
Speaker 2: I put out a video. Vance always brings you the
Speaker 2: big Foot Bullhorn. So we've got a lot of content
Speaker 2: coming your way, and we hope you stay tuned and
Speaker 2: enjoy that because you've got a lot more coming as
Speaker 2: the summer months come. We get out in the field.
Speaker 2: I know Matt's been out there stopping around. We've got
Speaker 2: a lot of things planned. So Matt, why don't you
Speaker 2: go ahead and give them a little bit some of
Speaker 2: the things you've been up to.
Speaker 5: Well, I went.
Speaker 3: Up to the area that we've been investigating, and I
Speaker 3: was able to get my trail cans from up there.
Speaker 3: So I'll just kind of like, you know, nip the
Speaker 3: suspicion on the one. I thought it was in a
Speaker 3: great spot and I literally only got two pictures and
Speaker 3: there were all the people. One was me and the
Speaker 3: other one was a straight hunter, you know, walking through
Speaker 3: the area. There was not one thing found on that
Speaker 3: game camera.
Speaker 5: Other than that the other one.
Speaker 3: On the other hand, if you go to either my
Speaker 3: Facebook page or the LG Plateau Facebook page, I put
Speaker 3: up a video of I put it up in October
Speaker 3: of last year. It was right after we had the
Speaker 3: incident where we found a footprint and I found a
Speaker 3: good spot.
Speaker 5: It was about two and a.
Speaker 3: Half three miles in off trail and it was just
Speaker 3: a perfect place. So I put this camera up, and
Speaker 3: every single day I was getting deer coming through. I
Speaker 3: was getting I got what I believe is a fisher
Speaker 3: cat that came through, which was really really interesting. That
Speaker 3: all ended on November eleventh and November eleventh, a large
Speaker 3: black bear with looking at the eyes. You don't actually
Speaker 3: see the bear itself, but you can see the the
Speaker 3: width between the eyes came through and absolutely, I won't
Speaker 3: say he demolished it, but he ripped it down from
Speaker 3: the tree where it was. I found the straps I
Speaker 3: thought they were initially I thought they were cut, but
Speaker 3: whatever this was must have just sliced right through it
Speaker 3: or chewed right through it.
Speaker 5: But I do have that video.
Speaker 3: Of basically the camera's last few pictures, So that is
Speaker 3: on the Facebook.
Speaker 5: And I go ahead and check that out.
Speaker 11: Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do have another camera for you to put
Speaker 2: up there. We have it in a awesome supply closet here.
Speaker 2: And I have to tell you just and I'll let
Speaker 2: you carry on here just a second. But videos, it's
Speaker 2: funny because you mentioned the eyes.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, if you.
Speaker 2: Put that video out there and gave no context, how
Speaker 2: many people do you think, oh my god, it's eye shine?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, video, right, because yes, yes, it's it's it's
Speaker 2: a very good video, I think just for the initial
Speaker 2: because you don't see the bear like you see you
Speaker 2: do not right, It's it's a very it's.
Speaker 8: A great video for people that need to have a
Speaker 8: little education on bears.
Speaker 5: Sure. Sure.
Speaker 3: And and again when you went to that eye Shine,
Speaker 3: somebody somebody laying say, oh my god, you know, and
Speaker 3: the bear does move and he moves very fast. You
Speaker 3: literally see that at the beginning of the eye shine,
Speaker 3: and the movement in uh less than you probably about
Speaker 3: a half a second, and then it goes around and
Speaker 3: uh so but when you look at it, uh he he.
Speaker 5: Kind of goes up a little bit.
Speaker 3: Uh and he's about the height of and when I
Speaker 3: see his head pop up, he would be about the
Speaker 3: eyes about as tall as a dear.
Speaker 5: So he may have gone up on his on his
Speaker 5: hind leg a little.
Speaker 3: Bit and then just to kind of get a sniff
Speaker 3: and then and then come over.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 3: But definitely seeing the you know, as soon as you
Speaker 3: see the fur. Uh, that's one of the big indicators.
Speaker 3: And again you know, being familiar with the with the
Speaker 3: black bears, seeing the way the eye placement was, Seeing
Speaker 3: the width. Uh, that's probably the biggest thing, is the
Speaker 3: width of the eyes. And no longer one yes, oh
Speaker 3: absolutely another another thing too. And and I was thinking
Speaker 3: about this, I told you in a private chat, I
Speaker 3: said when I was coming back and I and I
Speaker 3: think I included this on my video as well. I
Speaker 3: heard what sounded like like a possible tree knock, and
Speaker 3: I'm going through I didn't think it was a bear,
Speaker 3: But the more and more I'm thinking about it, I
Speaker 3: think it was the I think it was a bear.
Speaker 3: That was what they called a jaw pop. They popped
Speaker 3: their jaw. And that's not really a good thing to hear,
Speaker 3: uh because basically what they're doing is they're they're they're
Speaker 3: popping that that joint out so that they're getting ready
Speaker 3: to attack. Now, I heard this down down in the
Speaker 3: ravine probably, and what we have is we have it
Speaker 3: will go down at a.
Speaker 5: At a steep angle.
Speaker 3: Then you have what's called a shelf, which will be
Speaker 3: anywhere from you know, it could just be a couple
Speaker 3: of feet wide to you know, struggle, you know, a
Speaker 3: yards wide, and then it'll drop down again. I think
Speaker 3: it was about two shelves below me. But I heard
Speaker 3: that it sounded like somebody taking a Ditchie cup and
Speaker 3: go like that. And I heard on two consecutive vacations,
Speaker 3: so I'm thinking more and more, especially with it being
Speaker 3: with Salas being with with cubs, that it was probably
Speaker 3: an overprotective mother that was probably letting me know that
Speaker 3: it was uh, you know, they don't they don't get
Speaker 3: to see humans back there all that much. So even
Speaker 3: when during the prime honting season, I walk out one hunter,
Speaker 3: uh going back in that area, and that was it. Uh.
Speaker 3: Usually any other place with with that type of environment,
Speaker 3: you you'd see at least a handful of people, but
Speaker 3: this one here, it was, you know, just absolutely desolate.
Speaker 11: So I'm gonna go back.
Speaker 3: I was talking to our friend Mike Ann about cameras
Speaker 3: and batteries because I'm thinking the battery is.
Speaker 11: Probably what drew the bear in.
Speaker 3: So we're going to be talking about that over the
Speaker 3: next couple of days and going for there other point, Matt,
Speaker 3: And I'm sorry.
Speaker 5: I didn't mean to interrupt him.
Speaker 11: Oh no, no, no, no, Only if.
Speaker 7: It's a battery thing, or if it's a scent that
Speaker 7: the petroleum in the plastic of the cam itself is
Speaker 7: attracting these things, because this is this happens quite often
Speaker 7: where a bear will just want to gnaw and chew
Speaker 7: on a trail cam. And I don't know, I have
Speaker 7: no evidence to say yeah or name, but I'm wondering
Speaker 7: if it's a scent that's being given.
Speaker 5: Off by the plastic and the petroleum in that plastic.
Speaker 3: So funny story. When I got the game camera, it was.
Speaker 3: It was, and you will see it on the Patreon
Speaker 3: video when I when I'm able to get that done.
Speaker 5: There's no teeth marks on it.
Speaker 11: Okay, So, but the ones where I thought it may.
Speaker 5: Have been a human is the.
Speaker 3: Is the lid where you have your batteries in your
Speaker 3: your game camera was actually uh that was manipulated somehow,
Speaker 3: and I think that was probably from the bear trying
Speaker 3: to get in. So uh so either work, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna talk to Mike about it and uh and
Speaker 3: get some recommendations. Also, there's you call them bear boxes, right, so, uh,
Speaker 3: which is something to protect it.
Speaker 5: So I'm going to get that uh switching.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, I'm sorry, Matt. Like I said, folks,
Speaker 2: bear with us. We're on a little bit of delay today.
Speaker 2: Bear As Vance was talking about though, that's one of
Speaker 2: the things we find interesting is the bear scent. Like
Speaker 2: that's what attracts them to things like coolers and refrigerators, right,
Speaker 2: It's the formaldehyde and the installation of those things. Yes,
Speaker 2: and the bears have an excellent scent. Uh well, you know,
Speaker 2: much more better than us. I don't know how they
Speaker 2: handle their own stinky asses, but they do.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: But no, to your point, when you see the camera
Speaker 2: were lays, it looks like somebody kind of just.
Speaker 8: Sit on the ground there.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not shoot up, it's you know, it's
Speaker 2: really the video footage seems a little.
Speaker 8: Bit more violent than the outcome, right or it's it's
Speaker 8: just interesting.
Speaker 2: But I'm glad you got it and you talk about
Speaker 2: this area where we you know, interact. You know, we
Speaker 2: haven't had a lot of bear activity up that way,
Speaker 2: but you and I tracked a big one.
Speaker 8: That one, well.
Speaker 2: We didn't track it to its end terminus that we
Speaker 2: knew it was a bear, but we could tell by
Speaker 2: the size of its its pause it was it was
Speaker 2: a bear.
Speaker 8: And so we know they're.
Speaker 2: Up there, and it's some of the dangers that we
Speaker 2: do run into having to deal with you know, real
Speaker 2: I don't want to say real wildlife, but known while life,
Speaker 2: and folks just got to prepare yourself of knowing it's
Speaker 2: a good You know, when something takes down your game
Speaker 2: cam doesn't mean it's a big foot. When something attacks
Speaker 2: your campsite doesn't mean it's a big foot. You know,
Speaker 2: there are things you can do that can keep yourself safe.
Speaker 8: And like.
Speaker 2: You know, allerd to there a moment Ago alluded to
Speaker 2: the jaw popping. That's not a sound you want to hear.
Speaker 2: That's a bear in distress. That's an aggravated bear. And
Speaker 2: you're a few moments away from being a hot lunch
Speaker 2: if you hear that. So get to know these things.
Speaker 2: My biggest fear is snakes. I'm not a huge snake guy.
Speaker 2: I could care less about them. Matt, and I spent
Speaker 2: a lot of time in the single most infested rattlesnake
Speaker 2: area in Pennsylvania, and I've been watching some videos, Matt,
Speaker 2: and I'll tell you what, My comfort level is getting
Speaker 2: so much better because I'm understanding the animal more than
Speaker 2: I was beforehand. I know why they're important, and I
Speaker 2: know the danger signs and what the look for to
Speaker 2: kind of stay away from those areas where they're probably propagating.
Speaker 3: Yes, and and honestly, I mean, you know, I hate
Speaker 3: to put yeah, there's a word for it, and please
Speaker 3: chime in on it.
Speaker 5: And when you give human emotions to.
Speaker 11: An animal, exercise, Yeah.
Speaker 3: But to probably put it the best way is the
Speaker 3: snake doesn't want anything to do with us, you know,
Speaker 3: like that's why it loves out there, you know, like
Speaker 3: it's not it's you know, they they they don't want
Speaker 3: to be around humans. So they try to go in
Speaker 3: these you know, you know, god forsaken places, and uh,
Speaker 3: you know, when they see human they're like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: they're not coming out and attacking us unless you step
Speaker 3: on it, or unless you unless you're a threat most
Speaker 3: most bites are to the hand, you know, when somebody's
Speaker 3: going to grab something.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 3: There's a few bites that are too Uh. There are
Speaker 3: common bites to the ankles, but uh, the more prevalent
Speaker 3: bite is to the hand.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 5: And they see that.
Speaker 3: As a as a threat, and they're gonna they're gonna,
Speaker 3: you know, take uh take ash on that.
Speaker 8: You know, I'm not gonna try to touch it or
Speaker 8: bother it.
Speaker 5: So yeah, and James Major are welcome.
Speaker 8: We can't hear you, but we see you. Now. We
Speaker 8: can't hear you, but we see you. Rangers report to
Speaker 8: the commander immediately go ahead their match. So we got figures.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say, uh, you know, we had
Speaker 3: that going on, but now and I kind of I
Speaker 3: kind of I kind of put something into the uh
Speaker 3: in with the chat before. But uh, we ended up
Speaker 3: we're in Kentucky on a little MANI vacation. Beautiful state,
Speaker 3: but we drove the back roads of West Virginia too,
Speaker 3: uh to get to where we're at. We want to
Speaker 3: take the scenic route and it was totally amazing. And
Speaker 3: and once uh, once we ended up getting here, I
Speaker 3: went on the big Foot mapping project and the amount
Speaker 3: of sightings and the territory reminds me of the area
Speaker 3: where we do our research in.
Speaker 8: So we can.
Speaker 3: Get you know, two of our friends, less Odell or
Speaker 3: doctor Russ Jones to come on the show and to
Speaker 3: elaborate on some of the West Virginia sidings.
Speaker 5: That would be fantastic.
Speaker 3: And and I was even looking at you know, possibly
Speaker 3: doing uh, doing a trip down in the late summer
Speaker 3: when historically there there have been a number of sightings there.
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, Kentucky is a hot spot.
Speaker 7: It is believe that our not Yeah, no, Kentucky has
Speaker 7: a numerous amount of really interesting sighting reports that I
Speaker 7: found completely fascinating.
Speaker 5: But I've been through Kentucky numerous times.
Speaker 7: I could understand why it is that kind of a
Speaker 7: terrain and however you want.
Speaker 5: To decide to landscape natural terrain.
Speaker 7: But yeah, I would see Kentucky is a very prominent
Speaker 7: spot that you could.
Speaker 5: See something that we haven't discovered yet.
Speaker 10: Vance got lucky in Kentucky. But trying, still trying, James Baker,
Speaker 10: try again.
Speaker 2: No love, love can keep us together, Bakers trying tonight, guys,
Speaker 2: we are getting smiled by this is an open face.
Speaker 8: So if you're in the chat and you have a question.
Speaker 8: Shine them through Henry.
Speaker 2: We've been looking at that lovely, shiny happy face there.
Speaker 8: What's going on in Henry world?
Speaker 9: Well, I've put together a list of all of my
Speaker 9: big shirt books, and I've had to constantly updated because
Speaker 9: I'll be like, oh, yeah, I've got that book.
Speaker 11: Oh yeah, I've got that book. So I had to
Speaker 11: constantly updated. But I put my list on Facebook, so
Speaker 11: you guys want to check it out on my page,
Speaker 11: you can't.
Speaker 8: Henry, how many are you up to? Now?
Speaker 11: One hundred sixty six?
Speaker 3: Wow?
Speaker 5: Look at you. I'm so waiting for the Henry May
Speaker 5: book to come out, so that to be autographic to me. Now,
Speaker 5: yeah book.
Speaker 11: Maybe or maybe not.
Speaker 8: That's going to be the title of his book.
Speaker 5: Well yeah, Bigfoot last right? Yeah?
Speaker 11: One thing one?
Speaker 3: Oh, I was gonna say a suggestion, uh to anyone
Speaker 3: on on Henry's page.
Speaker 5: What I did?
Speaker 3: I mean, that list is incredible and there's so many
Speaker 3: books in there that I haven't read and I'm really
Speaker 3: waiting to. So what I did was on on Facebook.
Speaker 3: I actually saved Henry's post.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 3: That way, I can you know, I don't have to
Speaker 3: go searching for it. It's on my safe list. I'm
Speaker 3: looking for something to uh, you know, to read. Boom,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm going away to Henry's. I'm telling you
Speaker 3: that the two big ones in the in the community
Speaker 3: are Henry and Daniel Prez.
Speaker 5: Between the two of.
Speaker 3: Them, you know, they have the best listing of books.
Speaker 5: So kudos to Henry for an awesome list.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought I had a lot until Henry started
Speaker 2: listing them. But what I think is amazing, And Henry,
Speaker 2: you could probably give a little bit more context to
Speaker 2: this is like years ago, maybe they were only like
Speaker 2: thirty or forty books, and now there's so many now, Henry,
Speaker 2: the question that people want to know is, and be
Speaker 2: honest with us, do you have the big photootica books
Speaker 2: as part of that bibliography?
Speaker 11: Will no?
Speaker 2: Huhh yeah, See we were wondering I would have gone
Speaker 2: for those first well VANSASM I was surprised, right, So
Speaker 2: that's not in the Henry May literary collection.
Speaker 8: Huh whoa, whoa?
Speaker 2: All right, Well, listen, someone out there cares about them
Speaker 2: because people are buying them or people wouldn't be writing them.
Speaker 8: But in all series business like, talk about that a
Speaker 8: little bit. Henry like when I was.
Speaker 2: A kid, the library may have had four or five
Speaker 2: books on Bigfoot, right, and now there's just so many it.
Speaker 5: Takes an entire aisle in a library now.
Speaker 7: It sure it is.
Speaker 8: Coortually.
Speaker 11: I think my library, well all your hands, the big cookbooks,
Speaker 11: they used to add quite a few.
Speaker 2: Well maybe when you leave the mortal coil, you can
Speaker 2: donate yours.
Speaker 8: To a library.
Speaker 2: You know, I keep telling my kids that, I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm going to live for one hundred and fifty I'll
Speaker 2: probably you know, books probably won't be a thing then.
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know, but my collection's going to be
Speaker 2: left to somebody who will appreciate Bigfoot books. Maybe the library,
Speaker 2: because again, as I was a kid, we didn't have
Speaker 2: very many and the Handcock publisher Handcock House Publishing carts
Speaker 2: weren't everywhere across the United States. And now you're fuck
Speaker 2: if you could buy books even at uh well, there's
Speaker 2: I'm sure fewer bookstores now than ever.
Speaker 8: It's just incredible that the times have changed.
Speaker 2: And now even having them digitally, it's nice because you
Speaker 2: can keep your you can keep your library with you
Speaker 2: virtually anywhere you go.
Speaker 8: If there's just something about.
Speaker 2: Having a book and when I fall asleep at night
Speaker 2: reading a book, it doesn't hurt nearly as much as
Speaker 2: if I drop an iPad on my face, which hurts.
Speaker 8: It's it's not a.
Speaker 5: Funny, nice soft paper pages I see.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, better than a glass screen cracking you across
Speaker 2: the bridge at your nose. Oh boy, guys, it's nine
Speaker 2: twenty five. Let's take a break here and play the
Speaker 2: big Foot Bluehorn, and then when we come back we'll
Speaker 2: talk about maybe some of these some new things in
Speaker 2: the bigfoot world. So smoke them, if you got them,
Speaker 2: shake one off. We'll be back well after this.
Speaker 8: If you have to tinkle, is what I meant you
Speaker 8: big foot born. And I love Armenians.
Speaker 11: There I love.
Speaker 8: They're just Harry bastards. That's all that is. There's just
Speaker 8: they know it.
Speaker 5: They're Harry.
Speaker 8: I have a good friend, his name is.
Speaker 5: Call him Tony.
Speaker 8: Right one.
Speaker 5: Then I walked into the room he was changing.
Speaker 8: I went to his house and pick him up.
Speaker 12: Wo he was changing. I swear to god, I thought
Speaker 12: he's wearing a sweater with nipples.
Speaker 1: It was the harrys It's the harrious man.
Speaker 5: He did like a freaking bigfoot.
Speaker 2: That's I think that's where the legend of sasquatch came from.
Speaker 12: There's no big Foot, there's some Armenian camping naked.
Speaker 11: In the words going hello.
Speaker 8: His Harry was just hanging along and it's.
Speaker 2: Love.
Speaker 8: Our meetings are just hurry, that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Ah.
Speaker 1: Yes, this is exactly why we have a disclaimer at
Speaker 1: the beginning of our show. Seanan, you might want to
Speaker 1: look into how many our minion people are actually listening
Speaker 1: to a sasquat show. Speaking of Armenion people, in Michigan,
Speaker 1: a forty seven year old man and his son were
Speaker 1: bowfishing near Plum Creek and Railroad bridges in Michigan when
Speaker 1: his dog startled something betting in the marsh. Their dog
Speaker 1: went after. What they originally fought was I heard of deer.
Speaker 1: This claim sighting was reported to the BFRO of Michigan.
Speaker 8: Quote.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, I heard rustling in a tree
Speaker 1: to the left and a huge thud hitting the ground
Speaker 1: from the tree. A big, heavy animal hit the ground
Speaker 1: and crouched and started moving towards me through the brush.
Speaker 1: My dog fired off from the right of me and
Speaker 1: towards the creature. The forty seven year old said in
Speaker 1: his report. The dog almost got to it, but the
Speaker 1: creature shot off extremely fast through the trees and brush.
Speaker 1: The dog chased the creature up a slope and over
Speaker 1: the train tracks. Then I called for my dog to
Speaker 1: come back now. Both the father and the son described
Speaker 1: the animal as being as large as a bear, but
Speaker 1: looking like a gorilla. After following the creature a short distance,
Speaker 1: they left. You think Bfiroh investigator Moneymaker spoke with both
Speaker 1: the father and the twelve year old son on the
Speaker 1: incident and wrote that he believes that both are credible
Speaker 1: and freshly descriptive about what happened to them on that
Speaker 1: morning just over a week ago.
Speaker 8: They reported, this.
Speaker 1: Incident happened so fast that there was no time to
Speaker 1: even consider trying to take a photograph of it. The
Speaker 1: whole encounter lasted less than ten seconds. The way it
Speaker 1: goes on from beginning to end, we can do about that.
Speaker 1: The whole encounter lasted less than ten seconds period. They
Speaker 1: don't need beginning to end. Moneymakers stated that the duo
Speaker 1: reported the creature to be roughly ten feet up in
Speaker 1: the tree when it jumped down. At no time was
Speaker 1: it facing the two humans. The point at which they
Speaker 1: got that CLIs.
Speaker 5: Look at it is.
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Speaker 2: Tonight talking about some things, and Matt, you found So
Speaker 2: Matt vance, you found some interesting topics you talked about
Speaker 2: in the news segment. You know, it seems like I'm
Speaker 2: not going to cast anche here, Matt. Moneymakers getting a
Speaker 2: lot of investigations going on out there. A lot of
Speaker 2: these BFRO updated reports, investigative reports are done by Matt right.
Speaker 7: Well, this as you reported in the news segment, it
Speaker 7: was reported to the BFRO of Michigan, and then Matt
Speaker 7: picked it up from there and then interviewed these two.
Speaker 7: I had a couple of questions.
Speaker 5: From that news report, but I didn't put him in there,
Speaker 5: which is okay. But I guess the essence in which
Speaker 5: you take away from.
Speaker 7: It all is that it was a size of a bear,
Speaker 7: don't looked like a gorilla.
Speaker 5: And as it was ascending up the embankment to.
Speaker 7: The railroad tracks, I had a very hairy back and.
Speaker 5: Harry Buttox.
Speaker 7: I'm not trying to make fun of it, but hey,
Speaker 7: this is the witness testimony, and.
Speaker 5: He felt that that was very credible.
Speaker 8: Baker any chiming in.
Speaker 4: There, I'm just trying to why we're harrybacks and Buttoxes.
Speaker 4: I mean, now, I've seen some horrible things out on
Speaker 4: the land, but nothing that bad.
Speaker 8: Henry, Hey opines there?
Speaker 3: Oh boy, well you have to think about this.
Speaker 11: This is a report that was given to the BFRO,
Speaker 11: and I'm not going to say this isn't the incredible court,
Speaker 11: but hey, moneymakers doing wrong?
Speaker 8: Fog.
Speaker 5: I remember the Sonoma ritage? Yep?
Speaker 2: Well, Henry, a lot of people may not remember the
Speaker 2: Sonoma footage. You know, we're coming up in a whole
Speaker 2: new generation of folks who only know people from their
Speaker 2: television exploits, not the you know, the research exploits beforehand,
Speaker 2: and it's okay to be wrong. Can I say that
Speaker 2: first and foremost. I don't think anybody is dismissing that,
Speaker 2: because we've all been wrong a time or two.
Speaker 8: But go ahead, Henry, you finish your thought there.
Speaker 11: Well, the Slowa footage turned out to be from Pi
Speaker 11: and Telor their show called Bullshit Right, And what they
Speaker 11: do is they got a guy in the suit to
Speaker 11: walk out there and someone filmed it. So and John Freys,
Speaker 11: I'm not sure if he's still a BFRO. He was
Speaker 11: the one who pointed out it was it was a guy.
Speaker 2: That John friedis. Of course, what was his project, project
Speaker 2: Blue North?
Speaker 8: Was that it? Or Blue North?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean again, folks that people don't have a lot
Speaker 2: of familiarity with because they're not on TV these days,
Speaker 2: but a lot of folks that we looked up to
Speaker 2: in the early part of our research, right, John friedas
Speaker 2: is one of them, the law enforcement guy that got
Speaker 2: into Bigfoot. Who else do we have that we could
Speaker 2: put into.
Speaker 8: That same category?
Speaker 2: You know, Hey, I think I just learned that Bart
Speaker 2: Katino is starting a YouTube channel up cool So let
Speaker 2: me see if I can get the name of that,
Speaker 2: because I think that's.
Speaker 8: Going to be interesting for people to watch.
Speaker 2: You know, Bart's also somebody that's been doing this a
Speaker 2: long time that folks need to know and they need
Speaker 2: to get out there and experience small town monsters.
Speaker 8: Is it's called Study Sasquatch actually is the name of
Speaker 8: that channel.
Speaker 2: So go check it out Study Sasquatch on YouTube. It's
Speaker 2: our friend Bart Katino and take a gander, because I
Speaker 2: think one of the first things he goes after is his.
Speaker 8: Own thermal footage. But again, as I said, it's important
Speaker 8: for people to go check out some of these esteemed investigators.
Speaker 8: They may not have a.
Speaker 2: Lot of familiarity with, and so we call out some
Speaker 2: of these reports.
Speaker 8: You know, this one.
Speaker 2: I think it also kind of goes back to what
Speaker 2: you and I were talking about in Matt with the
Speaker 2: recent Pennsylvania reports. You know, we're hitting too loose with
Speaker 2: the data initially because you can't do a really good
Speaker 2: follow up qurect without compromise, and I have a problem
Speaker 2: with that. And in this situation, Vance, you know, you
Speaker 2: said you had some questions. I think this is the
Speaker 2: perfect form to share those questions.
Speaker 5: All right. Well, in that report.
Speaker 7: It stated that this thing started moving towards them, the
Speaker 7: father and the son.
Speaker 5: But then in a paragraph later said never made eye
Speaker 5: contact with the two of them.
Speaker 7: It also stated that the dog was trying was alerted
Speaker 7: to what they thought were dear in the marsh, but
Speaker 7: this thing was in a tree.
Speaker 5: That's two contradictory points of view there.
Speaker 7: How are you moving towards him if he's never making
Speaker 7: eye contact with you?
Speaker 2: And why how do you know it's How do you
Speaker 2: know it's moving towards you? How do you know it's
Speaker 2: intended is to come to you?
Speaker 5: Wrnan?
Speaker 8: I mean you don't need to make eye contact per
Speaker 8: se to see it. You think general direction would guide it.
Speaker 2: But you know to your point though, vance you do
Speaker 2: have some you know, statements, and I think it even
Speaker 2: goes back and Matt, I'll go back to that last one.
Speaker 2: You and I investigated or we talked. He didn't really
Speaker 2: investigate per se as we talked to the witness. You know,
Speaker 2: did you talk to anybody at this No? I didn't
Speaker 2: talk to anybody. Oh I talked to Wes from Sasquatch Chronicles.
Speaker 2: You know, you know, I made a bigger name in
Speaker 2: this field than you know, than a lot of folks.
Speaker 8: It's Wes in terms of.
Speaker 2: You know, notoriety like those little things stand out and
Speaker 2: they're important, and it's not the throw shade, and it's
Speaker 2: not to make anybody feel bad about themselves, but in
Speaker 2: the moment, it's to think critically, in the excitement, are
Speaker 2: you really capturing all the information accurately? And are you
Speaker 2: embellishing because someone's paying attention?
Speaker 5: Oh that's a good point, you know.
Speaker 2: So often we hear what's the impetus for folks to
Speaker 2: fake bigfoot settings?
Speaker 8: You're not going to get famous, no, but you're going
Speaker 8: to get attention. People are going to pay attention to you.
Speaker 8: Someone's going to listen, and that's important to some folks.
Speaker 11: And you make about a point.
Speaker 4: I mean, how many times have we've gone to conferences
Speaker 4: and somebody's stood up and has to have the most
Speaker 4: outlandish story in the room because.
Speaker 11: I want everybody look and go, oh my god, that
Speaker 11: happened to you?
Speaker 4: Right, And then every time the story just acts and
Speaker 4: I understand telling a story like me and Shawn tell
Speaker 4: stories all the time, and a lot of times Sean
Speaker 4: will fill in gaps that.
Speaker 11: I don't have, and I'll fill in gaps and then.
Speaker 4: The next time we tell the story, I don't have
Speaker 4: that gap because I remember when we told the story.
Speaker 4: It's not that the story changes, not that I'm lying,
Speaker 4: It's that I don't remember that part as clearly as
Speaker 4: he did, and then the next time I did. So
Speaker 4: every time you tell the story, it does get a
Speaker 4: little writer in descriptive. But then when you start adding,
Speaker 4: we're also saw an alien and there was a large
Speaker 4: footprint and.
Speaker 11: It disappeared, and then it's blue, and then.
Speaker 4: It's blah blah blah. You know, like it brings me
Speaker 4: croissants every morning. No it doesn't, Okay, nou, it doesn't.
Speaker 2: But you know, there's also the art of storytelling, which
Speaker 2: I think sometimes embellishment happens to keep it interesting for
Speaker 2: the person telling the story too. You tell the same
Speaker 2: story twenty thirty times, you're gonna.
Speaker 8: Get tired of telling the story. Yeah, it happens.
Speaker 4: And they even start not telling points of the story
Speaker 4: because you're like, everybody's heard that.
Speaker 2: Shit, right, Well, we didn't even tell about my encounter
Speaker 2: up on the mountain half the time, I forget to
Speaker 2: talk about the glowsticks, like because in my mind, also
Speaker 2: keep in mind, I'm still reliving some of the traumatic
Speaker 2: experiences from the encounter, right, So give some folks some
Speaker 2: break on that. But I'll say this, some of these encounters,
Speaker 2: you know, to Vance's point, where do they stop making sense?
Speaker 8: Where do they contradict it? And where do you go?
Speaker 2: And some folks are just so eager, I feel to
Speaker 2: be investigators and to go out and investigate. They want
Speaker 2: these folks to see bigfoot because that's when more feather
Speaker 2: they could put in their hat. Matt, you and I
Speaker 2: had several encounters last year. The one you went out
Speaker 2: and investigated, you have a shadow of a doubt was
Speaker 2: not a bigfoot, and you were not shy about reporting
Speaker 2: that back.
Speaker 8: And I think that's what you know integrity.
Speaker 2: Yes, we want to be bigfoot investigators, but that comes
Speaker 2: with the price. That means we have to be honest
Speaker 2: with the evidence, but to be honest with the narrative,
Speaker 2: we have to be honest what's being told us and
Speaker 2: are we capturing it accurately. When I did that phone interview,
Speaker 2: I had five pages of notes that Matt and I
Speaker 2: went over again and again, and we'll still go over
Speaker 2: till the end of time because they're still part of
Speaker 2: our repertoire, still part of our case files.
Speaker 8: But at some.
Speaker 2: Point when you go through these stories, go through these encounters,
Speaker 2: you know, are you really trying to find evidence to
Speaker 2: say Bigfoot is real, or you're looking for evidence to say, hey,
Speaker 2: this was a bear, this was a person, this was
Speaker 2: their grandchildren out for a hike.
Speaker 8: This was not what they think it is. And how
Speaker 8: do you.
Speaker 2: Bring those people to understand that without upsetting them? Because
Speaker 2: sometimes the people the witnesses are so bought in they
Speaker 2: want it to be Bigfoot more than anything.
Speaker 4: And sometimes you have to stay back and say, is
Speaker 4: this hurting them, to tell them right to their face
Speaker 4: that they may have no clue what they're talking about,
Speaker 4: or is it better just to kind of let's just
Speaker 4: get back in the car, you know, and just let's
Speaker 4: forget you were here.
Speaker 2: On Tuesday, Santa Savant says confirmation bias is real.
Speaker 8: And that's very true.
Speaker 2: And I think one of the things we're guilty of
Speaker 2: is we do it on this podcast all the time,
Speaker 2: and all our podcast friends do it. Is we and
Speaker 2: I say this all the time. We give the world's
Speaker 2: greatest guide to hoaxing. But that makes us need to
Speaker 2: be more in tune an alert and not take all
Speaker 2: these folks. If you come to us with a Bigfoot sighting,
Speaker 2: we want to believe you. But it's not about wanting
Speaker 2: to believe, it's about what the evidence is before us.
Speaker 2: I still want my kids to believe your Santa, I
Speaker 2: still knowsters.
Speaker 11: We want to be age to be right.
Speaker 2: We are ready to believe you, right, but you've got
Speaker 2: to show us something. I want my kids to believe in, Santa.
Speaker 2: I want to feel good moments. I want all these
Speaker 2: things to be. The reality is most times they're not,
Speaker 2: and folks need to If we're gonna be serious about
Speaker 2: this and we're gonna treat this like a legitimate scientific inquiry,
Speaker 2: then we have to do some weeding in this garden.
Speaker 8: That's the reality.
Speaker 2: We have to pull some of these these weeds out
Speaker 2: and get folks to understand. And right now, so many
Speaker 2: of these fields of study are converging. Cryptozoology has become
Speaker 2: the big buzzword in the big field of study, and
Speaker 2: everybody that's out looking for Bigfoot wants to.
Speaker 8: Find a dog man that's not real.
Speaker 2: But okay, uh, you know, they want all these things
Speaker 2: to be.
Speaker 8: They just can't, right, you know, Sean.
Speaker 7: On that point, even the most recent sightings in video
Speaker 7: that had been posted recently, everything.
Speaker 5: Is still blurry. I don't get it, dude, I don't
Speaker 5: get it.
Speaker 13: We just had a hunter said, oh I call it,
Speaker 13: you know on Bigfoot and it's family across and everything
Speaker 13: is so undecisive because it's out of focus.
Speaker 5: Why is this happening constantly?
Speaker 8: You know?
Speaker 2: Vance, I said the same thing as Steve Coles did
Speaker 2: the analysis on that, and go.
Speaker 8: Check it out Steve does.
Speaker 2: We don't do analysis because our smart friends do it
Speaker 2: for us. So we just go and watch it and
Speaker 2: re opined because you know, they've already done hard work.
Speaker 8: But there's magic in that because they've proven to us
Speaker 8: they're all the same way like we are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we want to believe you. Thank you Henriy for that.
Speaker 2: We want to believe you.
Speaker 8: We just need to see it. But Vance to your point,
Speaker 8: at some point in time, these videos have to clear up.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree, they.
Speaker 8: Have to clear up. There's no excuse for it at
Speaker 8: this point.
Speaker 2: My god, you could watch an ant shit with a
Speaker 2: new Samsung phone, you know, like, at what point does
Speaker 2: it not get ridiculous? And it's so frustrating because we're
Speaker 2: never going to get that evidence we need if we
Speaker 2: can't improve. I've always said I think national geographic quality
Speaker 2: evidence would be great.
Speaker 8: Too, photographic and document evidence, right fighting Sean.
Speaker 7: I mean, we watch videos of a leopard taking down
Speaker 7: at deer, right, it's an HD.
Speaker 13: That and then you get a video that's posted, Oh,
Speaker 13: hunter caught an entire family of sasquatch mo went through
Speaker 13: a feel.
Speaker 7: Really, I couldn't tell if that was, you know, a
Speaker 7: bunch of via cons moving through the jungle.
Speaker 5: I can't tell. I have no idea what I'm looking at, but.
Speaker 11: Yet you have these HD videos.
Speaker 5: It's just it's so frustrating. It really is.
Speaker 2: Sandwich sav i'ms in again that says they will call
Speaker 2: it fake for being too good though.
Speaker 8: Which is the other side of that coin. I believe
Speaker 8: that as well.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, man, and so, I mean the one the
Speaker 3: one point is, though, is when we're going out. I'm
Speaker 3: a hunter myself, so uh, and I have friends of
Speaker 3: mine that they like to videotape themselves, and you know
Speaker 3: we're doing all that. You know, you know, we're out
Speaker 3: there with our with our cell phones, or we're out
Speaker 3: there with a GoPro uh, the National Geographic Cruise. I
Speaker 3: mean they're out there with you know, the best quality
Speaker 3: telephono lenses for long just viewing. So if we had
Speaker 3: somebody out there who was a photographer, a wildlife photographer
Speaker 3: that wanted to uh, you know, go sit in a
Speaker 3: blind for a week in a big foot hotspot, I
Speaker 3: think our chances of finding something would be, of getting
Speaker 3: something on film, would be much better than if it's
Speaker 3: you know, me, Sean James, you know, running around north
Speaker 3: central PA with our iPhones.
Speaker 5: But if we have like I said, the telephoto.
Speaker 3: Lenses when we go Uptel County and we and people
Speaker 3: up there for the for the elk Rud, I see
Speaker 3: these lenses. I mean there is you know, probably three
Speaker 3: feet long, you know, and they could get every single detail.
Speaker 3: If we had somebody like that with that type of
Speaker 3: equipment out out in the woods, you know, we may
Speaker 3: have something. Now. I think Nywak had had done similar.
Speaker 3: They did have some really high end photography equipment, but
Speaker 3: for whatever reason, they just couldn't. They just were in
Speaker 3: the right place at the right time for those photos.
Speaker 2: Well that's the second part of that, right being in
Speaker 2: the right place at the right time. But you know,
Speaker 2: you talk about you know, good photography, you know, I
Speaker 2: think of my friend, our friend who goes up there
Speaker 2: all the time in our part, John Green, no relation
Speaker 2: to the other John Green. But John does some fantastic
Speaker 2: photography of eagles. If folks haven't gone checked it out
Speaker 2: John Green Photography. And John had a sighting a few
Speaker 2: years ago and his camera bag and everything was in
Speaker 2: his seat and he just you know, it was a
Speaker 2: roadside crossing. Again we talk about those not being so magnificent,
Speaker 2: yet they are. And he saw it disappear into the
Speaker 2: field and that was it. But you know, you have
Speaker 2: to be in the right place at the right time
Speaker 2: for it to happen, just like thermals, same time, Like
Speaker 2: positioning and being in the right place is really important.
Speaker 2: That's why the importance of associating the data with like
Speaker 2: the Bigfoot mapping project, you know, which we tried to
Speaker 2: do years ago in just Pennsylvania with the Keystone Bigfoot project.
Speaker 2: You know, can we look at the data from moon
Speaker 2: phase to time of year, to you know, different situations
Speaker 2: where can we best deploy ourselves so we have the
Speaker 2: best chance. It's like storm hunting, storm chasing for a
Speaker 2: big hairy creature, right, it's no different. The variables are
Speaker 2: the same.
Speaker 7: Yeah, But those tornado videos are pretty clear and decisive.
Speaker 8: Right, right, that's the difference.
Speaker 7: But what I think my you know, vehicles dish camera.
Speaker 7: I can clip off my vehicles dash cammer it is
Speaker 7: so crystal clear, right hi definition. And this is what
Speaker 7: tries me nuts. And I always go back to that.
Speaker 7: You know, Mitch Hedberg's comment of.
Speaker 11: Brudfoot is blurry.
Speaker 5: It is not the photographer's fault.
Speaker 7: There is a lot of lout of focused creature run
Speaker 7: in the countryside.
Speaker 2: Just think of those folks on the interdimensional platform and
Speaker 2: I'll tell you why it's blurry because it's out of phase.
Speaker 8: Well whatever that.
Speaker 5: Part I don't buy into. I really don't.
Speaker 7: You know, these people are picking up something that's happening
Speaker 7: in front of them and they pick up their camera
Speaker 7: to record it.
Speaker 14: I can take my camera, you can have.
Speaker 7: Fingerprints all over the lens and it would still be
Speaker 7: a lot clearer than what I'm looking at is what's.
Speaker 5: Just recently posted, And it trade me nuts.
Speaker 11: It's like, come on.
Speaker 4: If you remember and I referenced what things have actually happened.
Speaker 4: Is we also that thing with the deer, and we
Speaker 4: all had cameras and we were all ready to go.
Speaker 8: We were even.
Speaker 11: Talking about seeing stuff, and no one got any pictures off.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, when we saw it coming, we saw
Speaker 4: that deer was going to get obliterated.
Speaker 11: I knew I what I mean.
Speaker 4: But but my point though is is that like I
Speaker 4: get the technologies there and the other thing is there.
Speaker 11: But I really think that we talk about the evidence,
Speaker 11: and we talked about the other thing. Though. I don't
Speaker 11: think our major players are going to find.
Speaker 5: This concrete evidence.
Speaker 11: I'll pick Holpman out of them blue because I know him.
Speaker 4: I don't see him seeing getting the greatest video on planet.
Speaker 4: But one hundred percent it I see somebody, some randomallee
Speaker 4: on our way home, gets a through dash cam or
Speaker 4: some random guys driving and there's a dash cam video
Speaker 4: that and then he you know, and then they.
Speaker 11: Find more evidence. I really feel that if this is to.
Speaker 8: Be those him Blue people, single root vaper.
Speaker 5: You know, right, all right?
Speaker 11: But you get my point though.
Speaker 14: Well, you know, did you like people here at the
Speaker 14: point example, how of the future?
Speaker 5: I'll clear out a picture? Did you get now?
Speaker 7: You know, between Baker and myself and Sean, we saw a.
Speaker 5: Deer explode in vaporized.
Speaker 8: We had the picture.
Speaker 14: The pictures were called flopping very clear pictures, and I've.
Speaker 11: Used I used my I used my standard phone. I
Speaker 11: got to come across the clear.
Speaker 5: We did not feed him.
Speaker 11: He was going to be against it law.
Speaker 14: I'm really did photographs of it in once than three seconds.
Speaker 14: We got some really good photographs. We have a really good.
Speaker 2: Exchange going on in the chat, and I's gonna kind
Speaker 2: of summarize it here a little bit.
Speaker 8: As we go through Sandwich Savant and foot.
Speaker 2: Plan, foot Clan goes, I don't think the PG film
Speaker 2: is even that great once you realize there are people
Speaker 2: having habituation experiences that are much more entertaining than some
Speaker 2: passing glimpse, even though it's great video.
Speaker 8: At a point then we.
Speaker 2: Go down to Savant, who says, well, as soon as
Speaker 2: I find it here, you would think an alleged habituation
Speaker 2: situation would bear way more fruit. No one has produced
Speaker 2: sufficient evidence thus far. That's why I'm highly skeptical of habituation.
Speaker 2: I am with Sandwich Savant where Alli and I are
Speaker 2: lock and step in this one, because that's the biggest
Speaker 2: problem I have. At some point, when you get these
Speaker 2: creatures so comfortable with you that you can give them
Speaker 2: a freaking hunk of garlic, or it knocks in your
Speaker 2: back door. At some point you're going to be able
Speaker 2: to get a camera picture of it. Hey, commit Hary,
Speaker 2: and that'll happen. Now, I'm not saying, you know, foot
Speaker 2: plans also wrong because.
Speaker 8: Could there be.
Speaker 2: Could there be a gbituation situations going on that people
Speaker 2: aren't talking about.
Speaker 8: Oh I think that happened by my age. That was
Speaker 8: not an habituation situation.
Speaker 5: That was to get a horrible situation.
Speaker 11: Well, if you watch the.
Speaker 4: Whole movie, it does plot tire a plot that there
Speaker 4: is kind of an habituation.
Speaker 5: When they explain why.
Speaker 11: The big you need the duo?
Speaker 8: You need the duo watch a long way.
Speaker 11: I don't get Let's see your video.
Speaker 5: Let's see your videos, baly in.
Speaker 2: O, Henry once I've seen my only ones, but I
Speaker 2: have it on video doing mouth pops to me and
Speaker 2: ringing a hanging ringing a hanging bell at my gifting area.
Speaker 8: Well, you know, and that's interesting.
Speaker 11: So I.
Speaker 8: Sorry, I'm not.
Speaker 2: Allowed to say their name because I'm probably gonna be
Speaker 2: sued one day. But there you go, Henry, you could.
Speaker 11: Say you start. Ryan's man just called it a little
Speaker 11: bit chat. Yeah, right, Well, what ends the.
Speaker 4: Thing is though, if if if if you have a
Speaker 4: hit habituation situation or when I say that, then that's fine,
Speaker 4: But then you should be spitting.
Speaker 5: Out evidence like it's water.
Speaker 11: Like. Maybe you don't have film, but you should have footprints,
Speaker 11: You should have scatt you should have.
Speaker 4: Like if if I got dinner in my on my land,
Speaker 4: I can walk by the next day and I can
Speaker 4: tell you where they were.
Speaker 11: I go, friends, I got ship, I got you know,
Speaker 11: if I got a.
Speaker 4: Little toughs of phone now and then, but you could
Speaker 4: you can really habituate my property.
Speaker 2: So the more if you go back into the archives
Speaker 2: of the show and listen to I Think It's cooked
Speaker 2: Forest creature, it's the name of the episode. Maybe uh,
Speaker 2: we had a what perhaps we could consider a habituation
Speaker 2: situation going on. We did find glops of this big
Speaker 2: fricking groopy pancake shit around this house. We did have
Speaker 2: things disappearing. We did have a car with pictures of
Speaker 2: what could be hair print markings on it from when
Speaker 2: it scooched across the hood. But like my dog, we
Speaker 2: didn't have photographs of it, right, we didn't have photographs
Speaker 2: of it, And that.
Speaker 8: Was the thing.
Speaker 2: We had some interesting sounds, but we never made it
Speaker 2: a big deal because we didn't have what we felt
Speaker 2: was good enough evidence.
Speaker 8: And you know those folks, now you know my old
Speaker 8: my old.
Speaker 2: Research partner, Ernie Delt passed away, So folks, you know
Speaker 2: I didn't bring that up on the show. That's still
Speaker 2: something we're going through in processing. Ernie was a good dude,
Speaker 2: spent a lot of time in going through some of
Speaker 2: these old reports. Brings back memories. But you know, the
Speaker 2: scon's point here, why does it seem that those who
Speaker 2: have habituation situations have mostly stories and not physical evidence?
Speaker 8: And that's that's a great point. And then I go
Speaker 8: back to you know, go back to Cook Forest with
Speaker 8: that situation.
Speaker 2: But then I also go into Tom Pale's book The Locals,
Speaker 2: where there's some very interesting stories, you know which ones
Speaker 2: I'm talking about Henry, where these little girl who's death,
Speaker 2: that she has ongoing encounters with the bigfoot, Jane's doing
Speaker 2: hand motions.
Speaker 11: So what the graituation? The only question I really have
Speaker 11: is that you have to look at it like any
Speaker 11: other relationship of the wild animal.
Speaker 5: What are they getting out of?
Speaker 11: What the situation? Because like when you feed here deer
Speaker 11: getting food, I understand that, okay, but what is that?
Speaker 11: What is the Bigfoot getting out of this coming to
Speaker 11: your house every day? Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: And there the things is like, if it's getting all
Speaker 4: these things from you and giving you all these gifts,
Speaker 4: then why can't you show us the gifts and like
Speaker 4: get an idea where those gifts were.
Speaker 11: I don't know. Did they get them from? You know,
Speaker 11: they get them from a Hallmark story, you know what
Speaker 11: I mean? You know, like to be an error.
Speaker 2: I have seen some photos of what are supposed gifts
Speaker 2: back to folks that have done some gifting.
Speaker 8: And you know, we have some friends who are really firmly.
Speaker 2: Into the gifting camp.
Speaker 8: They are really into that. I haven't seen it.
Speaker 2: Really fruitful in my experiences, but that doesn't mean I'm
Speaker 2: opposed to the concept of it. But is there a
Speaker 2: I don't know, is it reciprocating gifting with gifting? You know,
Speaker 2: you throw your dog at stick, it brings them back
Speaker 2: to you because it likes it. You bring it at apple,
Speaker 2: it brings you something back. Does it necessarily is it a.
Speaker 10: Gift or is it a.
Speaker 4: You know, kill is a mouse that gives it to
Speaker 4: you because you're the it's leader, you know, like.
Speaker 11: Sharing its prayer. I don't know cats.
Speaker 5: I'm a dart person, you know.
Speaker 2: Oh it's interesting to say, well, it's ten o'clock ice,
Speaker 2: it's the.
Speaker 5: End of that hour.
Speaker 2: We do have an open song tonight, some great discussion,
Speaker 2: foot plan, Standwich Savant, Scott, Brian Jay, everybody. Thank you
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