1 00:00:04,879 --> 00:00:05,559 Speaker 1: What's going on. 2 00:00:05,759 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening to this podcast. It 3 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:10,080 is heard live every day from noon to three on 4 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,839 WBT Radio in Charlotte. And if you want exclusive content 5 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:17,160 like invitations to events, the weekly live stream, my daily 6 00:00:17,199 --> 00:00:19,480 show prep with all the links, become a patron, go 7 00:00:19,559 --> 00:00:23,399 to dpeakclendarshow dot com. Make sure you hit the subscribe button. 8 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,280 Get every episode for free right to your smartphone or tablet. 9 00:00:26,359 --> 00:00:29,079 And again, thank you so much for your support. Alrighty, 10 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:34,719 let's talk about redistricting. Oh, this is actually a pretty 11 00:00:34,759 --> 00:00:38,000 big deal. Okay, So we've been tracking a lot of 12 00:00:38,039 --> 00:00:41,240 the Great Redistricting War of twenty twenty five as it's 13 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:44,840 been unfolding. Right North Carolina one of the battlegrounds where 14 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:45,759 this has occurred. 15 00:00:45,759 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: Now, we haven't we. 16 00:00:47,119 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 2: Haven't really got a lot of litigation about our redrawing 17 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:55,039 of the map. There is some, but I'm not sure 18 00:00:55,039 --> 00:00:59,000 it's going to go anywhere. But this is the case 19 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:04,200 out of Texas where they redrew their congressional map in 20 00:01:04,239 --> 00:01:05,719 a mid decade redistricting. 21 00:01:05,719 --> 00:01:07,439 Speaker 1: I'm not going to go over all the history of it. 22 00:01:07,519 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 2: I've covered it before in the past, but they were 23 00:01:10,079 --> 00:01:14,640 responding to litigation that's why they're redrawing their lines. They 24 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:16,519 had to redraw the lines because they got sued by 25 00:01:16,519 --> 00:01:20,920 the Biden DOJ and they lost. They had to redraw 26 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,760 the maps, and this is the result of it. It 27 00:01:23,879 --> 00:01:27,680 just so happened. They redrew it with more Republican seats. Okay, 28 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:31,319 so they got sued, but their redrawing of their maps 29 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:35,920 also led to the redrawing of maps in California. Now, 30 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:38,680 California had to put it to voters to suspend their 31 00:01:38,719 --> 00:01:43,680 own constitutions so they could jerrymander because their constitution turns 32 00:01:43,719 --> 00:01:46,920 all of the redistricting over to a quote unquote independent 33 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:53,040 Redistricting Commission, which somehow or another always draws maps that 34 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:57,319 are gerrymandered to favor Democrats. Now they don't call them 35 00:01:57,359 --> 00:02:02,879 jerrymanders because Democrats are advantaged. When Democrats talk about fair maps, 36 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:06,680 they mean maps that advantage them. This is why I 37 00:02:06,719 --> 00:02:10,400 forget what the exact number is, but it's California. It's 38 00:02:10,439 --> 00:02:14,319 got like almost sixty seats, I want to say, between 39 00:02:14,319 --> 00:02:17,159 fifty and sixty congressional seats, I want to say, and 40 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:23,199 like all of them except for nine, were Democrats. Even 41 00:02:23,319 --> 00:02:29,879 though Democrats are always talking about proportional representation whenever they're 42 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:35,800 arguing against maps in Republican states. So, for example, in 43 00:02:36,159 --> 00:02:40,039 North Carolina, they're like, we're a fifty to fifty state, right, 44 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,120 so we have fourteen seats in North Carolina, and the 45 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:49,000 Democrats argue that because the presidential races are so close 46 00:02:50,039 --> 00:02:56,240 and the voting patterns and voter registration, so therefore they 47 00:02:56,280 --> 00:03:00,159 should get seven of the fourteen seats. That's always in 48 00:03:00,159 --> 00:03:04,599 their argument a proportional representation model. Now that's not anywhere 49 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,919 in the constitution. That's not anywhere in the state constitution. 50 00:03:08,439 --> 00:03:11,400 Nowhere does it say that you're supposed to be allocated 51 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:16,240 a proportional number of seats. Okay, this is just a 52 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,840 new standard that they have made up, and they only 53 00:03:18,879 --> 00:03:21,639 apply it to states that are controlled by Republicans when 54 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:25,599 the Republicans are drawing the maps. When Democrat controlled states 55 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,879 draw their maps and they jerrymandered the bejeebis out of 56 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:32,159 them and they don't give Republicans any seats at all, 57 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:37,439 that's not a jerrymander. There's no argument for proportional representation 58 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:41,439 being made by Democrats in those states like Maryland, New York, 59 00:03:41,439 --> 00:03:45,039 and actually New York was the one that started all 60 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:49,919 of the mid decade redistricting. They did this, They tried 61 00:03:49,919 --> 00:03:53,039 to draw a map that squeezed out every Republican and 62 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:57,360 it was so gerrymandered that even the Democrat controlled. It's 63 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,360 not the Supreme Court, it's like the Court of Appeals 64 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:01,280 in New York. I don't know why they call the 65 00:04:01,319 --> 00:04:03,560 Court of Appeals. It's the highest court in New York. 66 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,439 And the Supreme Court is not actually the Supreme Court. 67 00:04:06,599 --> 00:04:09,120 The Court of Appeals is, but whatever. It went all 68 00:04:09,159 --> 00:04:11,400 the way up to that court, and that court smacked 69 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,680 them down and said, this is a gerrymander, this is illegal, 70 00:04:14,719 --> 00:04:19,680 and they smacked them down. Back to California, they've got, 71 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:22,000 like I think it's it, maybe like fifty three or 72 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,319 fifty four seats, and all but nine of them are 73 00:04:25,319 --> 00:04:29,720 controlled by Democrats. Yet forty percent of California voters voted 74 00:04:29,759 --> 00:04:35,920 for Trump, which would indicate that California should have somewhere 75 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,680 in the neighborhood of about I don't know, twenty five 76 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:44,000 seats no for Republicans. Republicans in California should control about 77 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:48,360 forty percent of the seats. According to the argument made 78 00:04:48,399 --> 00:04:53,040 by Democrats in every other state, not controlled by Democrats, 79 00:04:53,759 --> 00:04:56,240 but they don't care about the standards. See, this is 80 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:58,879 not about a consistent application of a standard. This is 81 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,839 about getting a quote fair map. And again, a fair 82 00:05:01,879 --> 00:05:05,240 map to Democrats is a map that advantages them, and 83 00:05:05,319 --> 00:05:07,759 so they don't make that argument. In fact, they put 84 00:05:07,759 --> 00:05:10,879 it to voters to change their state constitution just this 85 00:05:10,959 --> 00:05:14,639 one time, just for this one time, to allow the 86 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:19,920 politicians to draw a map that gives even more advantage. 87 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:24,199 I think now Republicans are down to four seats, so 88 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,920 less than ten percent of the seats in the Congress. 89 00:05:27,959 --> 00:05:31,560 In the House control will be controlled by Republicans. Fewer 90 00:05:31,639 --> 00:05:35,360 than ten percent, but forty percent of the state votes Republican. 91 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:40,360 You don't hear proportional arguments being made in California. You 92 00:05:40,399 --> 00:05:43,519 don't hear these this argument being made in Maryland, or 93 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:48,480 in Illinois, or in literally the entire New England states. 94 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,040 Every single one of the New England states, like none 95 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:55,439 of them have a Republican representative, zero Republican representatives, even 96 00:05:55,519 --> 00:05:59,360 though if I remember correctly, it's somewhere in the neighborhood 97 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,720 of about a third to forty percent of the voter's 98 00:06:02,759 --> 00:06:04,879 vote Republican up in New England, but you would never 99 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:06,800 know it because they don't ever get to send a 100 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:12,800 Republican representative to the US House of Representatives. So Texas 101 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:21,279 gets sued, and the Supreme Court yesterday revived the Texas 102 00:06:21,399 --> 00:06:26,000 map because there was a lower court ruling that said, no, 103 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:27,040 you can't use this map. 104 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: And Democrats were like, that's right in your face. 105 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 2: We win, and Republicans are like, hang on, we're going 106 00:06:33,399 --> 00:06:36,680 to the US Supreme Court, and so they did, and 107 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:41,920 the US Supreme Court has said the Texas map that 108 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:48,279 Democrats hate that can remain. This will add up to 109 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,399 potentially depending on the election and depending on the candidates 110 00:06:51,439 --> 00:06:53,240 and all that. Because I've talked about the downside of 111 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:58,439 doing these redistricting these new maps is that you've got 112 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:02,079 solid Republican seats, but you want, like a next door 113 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:05,120 district to become a little bit easier for Republicans to win. 114 00:07:05,199 --> 00:07:08,360 So you move some Republican precincts into that other district. 115 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:12,240 But now you have watered down your solid red seat, 116 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:17,360 and now that's solid red may be leans red, and 117 00:07:17,399 --> 00:07:21,879 now that's a harder seat for Republicans to protect. Right, 118 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:25,920 So like sometimes they call this a dummy mander map. 119 00:07:26,079 --> 00:07:28,639 Instead of a jerrymander, it's a dummy mander, which is 120 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:32,000 basically what Democrats did in North Carolina back in twenty 121 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:36,480 ten because they couldn't they couldn't follow the rules pass 122 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:40,759 constitutional maps, and so they tried to make it so 123 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:42,720 they could keep as many seats as possible and they 124 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:46,439 ended up losing like all of the toss up seats, 125 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,680 all the close seats, they lost them all. So and 126 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:55,279 that's because of demographic shifts. So the maps that the 127 00:07:55,319 --> 00:07:59,319 Republicans drew in Texas will be used for the midterm elections, 128 00:08:00,199 --> 00:08:03,839 but the litigation will be allowed to proceed. Now, the 129 00:08:03,879 --> 00:08:09,800 three leftists on the Supreme Court, they dissented, they said 130 00:08:09,839 --> 00:08:12,560 the lower court or sorry, the majority ruled that the 131 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:16,720 lower court probably made a mistake when it invalidated the 132 00:08:16,759 --> 00:08:21,800 map and called it a likely racial gerrymander. See and 133 00:08:21,839 --> 00:08:27,399 when Democrat judges call these things racial gerrymanders, like they 134 00:08:27,439 --> 00:08:31,399 know how that's going to get weaponized. Democrats have been 135 00:08:31,399 --> 00:08:34,919 doing this for twenty years. Whenever there's a whenever there's 136 00:08:35,159 --> 00:08:38,159 a map that they sue over because of the lack 137 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:42,639 or the loss of Democrat seats, they accuse Republicans of 138 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:46,200 being racist and drawing the lines even when there is 139 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:50,480 no evidence, like zero evidence that race played any role. 140 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,080 How can they make these arguments, I mean, besides being 141 00:08:54,159 --> 00:08:56,320 just dishonest? Right, how do they make these arguments? 142 00:08:57,399 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 3: You know? 143 00:08:57,679 --> 00:08:59,879 Speaker 2: Stories are powerful. They help us make sense of this, 144 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,639 to understand experiences. Stories connect us to the people of 145 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:07,000 our past while transcending generations. 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I'll explain 165 00:10:15,039 --> 00:10:18,320 why they're rationale in a minute, but the argument is 166 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:23,320 always that whenever there's a quote jerrymander redistricting map done 167 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,720 by Republicans, Democrats always say it's racial. The judges say it, 168 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:29,840 the lawyers say it, the activists say it. Everybody says 169 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:34,080 it's a racial gerrymander. Why well, sam Alito pointed this 170 00:10:34,159 --> 00:10:37,960 out a decade ago in a North Carolina redistricting case 171 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:39,639 that went all the way to the US Supreme Court, 172 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:44,720 and he was arguing against this inconsistent application of standards 173 00:10:44,879 --> 00:10:47,320 when it comes to the judicial rulings, and he was 174 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:50,559 pointing out in the descent he lost, but in his 175 00:10:50,639 --> 00:10:54,000 descent he outlined the problem with this line of attack, 176 00:10:54,080 --> 00:11:02,879 with this rationale, which is Democrats have a lock on 177 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:07,559 the black voting population. Right, It's like nine out of 178 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:11,240 ten black voters vote Democrat. If you are to draw 179 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:18,000 a redistricting map and you are only looking at party information, 180 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:21,519 You're only looking at the voter registration information in order 181 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,919 to do the groupings, in order to put precincts where 182 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,879 you want them to be so you can protect incumbents, 183 00:11:27,879 --> 00:11:30,000 and you can draw a map that's advantageous to you 184 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:36,519 as the Republican party using the voter registration information. Just 185 00:11:36,639 --> 00:11:40,799 looking at d's and dors, it's going to look like 186 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:45,919 a racial gerrymander. There's no way around it. Democrats know this. 187 00:11:46,639 --> 00:11:48,799 They don't ever say that. They just accuse you of 188 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:52,200 being a racist to shame you into drawing a map 189 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:53,799 that gives them more power. 190 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 1: That's it. 191 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,159 Speaker 2: And Alito pointed this out, like I said a decade 192 00:11:58,159 --> 00:12:01,879 ago in a Supreme Court ruling DIY, it's the same 193 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:05,440 argument they're using on the Texas maps. There is absolutely 194 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:11,399 zero evidence that the Republicans used race to draw these maps. 195 00:12:12,039 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: They did not. 196 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 2: All the evidence is that they simply used D and R. 197 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:21,759 They looked at partisan advantage, which by the way, is legal. 198 00:12:22,279 --> 00:12:24,480 You're allowed to do that. You may not like that, 199 00:12:24,879 --> 00:12:26,799 and if you don't like that, then you should pass 200 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:31,159 a law that says, you can't use that information, but 201 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,360 Texas is allowed to do it. North Everyone's allowed to 202 00:12:33,399 --> 00:12:35,120 do it if they don't have any state prohibition. 203 00:12:37,039 --> 00:12:37,919 Speaker 1: So that's what they did. 204 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,039 Speaker 2: And what did the Democrats say, Well, we look at 205 00:12:42,039 --> 00:12:47,080 the outcome, and the outcome is you've got cracking and packing, 206 00:12:47,639 --> 00:12:50,240 which is basically to say that no matter how you 207 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:52,600 draw the lines, we're going to accuse you of being 208 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:57,039 a racist. Because cracking is when you split up a district. 209 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:00,279 You crack an area, right, you split it apart, you 210 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,799 send one group over to this district, the other half 211 00:13:03,799 --> 00:13:06,000 of the group over to this other district, so you've 212 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:12,600 cracked that population. Or you pack the district. You take 213 00:13:12,639 --> 00:13:15,519 the population and you put them all in one district. 214 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:17,559 And you can't do that either. So you can't split 215 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:21,200 them up and you can't pack them together. You can't crack, 216 00:13:21,279 --> 00:13:25,279 you can't pack. So what do you do, Well, just 217 00:13:25,399 --> 00:13:28,840 let the Democrats draw the maps, that's essentially what they're saying. 218 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:30,799 Just let us draw the maps because we're the only 219 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:32,960 ones that can do it without any kind of racial bias. 220 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,720 And that's just a lie. See that all of this 221 00:13:35,879 --> 00:13:39,799 is just a construct, that's all it is. So the 222 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:43,799 District Court. This is, according to the Supreme Court ruling, 223 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:49,679 the district Court improperly inserted itself into an active primary campaign, 224 00:13:49,879 --> 00:13:53,840 causing much confusion and upsetting the delicate federal state balance 225 00:13:53,879 --> 00:13:58,759 in elections. So this is what is called the Percel rule, 226 00:13:59,279 --> 00:14:03,919 named after a previous court ruling per Sell, and it 227 00:14:04,039 --> 00:14:10,559 essentially says that you can't you can't be tinkering with 228 00:14:10,799 --> 00:14:15,480 or changing the rules of an election as it's going on, definitely, 229 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:20,200 or if it's too close to the election, you cannot 230 00:14:20,279 --> 00:14:23,879 create like, you can't create all this confusion and chaos 231 00:14:24,159 --> 00:14:26,440 as the state is getting ready to administer an election, 232 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:29,360 because they're not going to be able to administer the 233 00:14:29,399 --> 00:14:33,039 election cleanly. It's going to pose all sorts of administrative problems. 234 00:14:33,559 --> 00:14:38,919 So this is the Purcell rule. In their dissent, the 235 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:42,320 Libs on the Supreme Court, in the descent, written by 236 00:14:42,399 --> 00:14:47,440 Justice Atlanta Kagan, chastised their colleagues the Republicans for intervening 237 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:51,240 based on its perusal over a holiday weekend of a 238 00:14:51,279 --> 00:14:56,120 cold paper record. Today's order disrespects the work of a 239 00:14:56,159 --> 00:14:59,960 district court that did everything one could ask to carry 240 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:04,919 out its charge, that put aside every consideration except getting 241 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:10,559 the issue correct, and today's order deserves the millions of 242 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:13,200 Texans whom the District Court found were assigned to their 243 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:18,360 new districts based on their race or party Billy and 244 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:26,360 voting patters. Her descent actually prompted a response from three 245 00:15:26,399 --> 00:15:31,440 of the court's conservatives, Alito, Clarence Thomas, and Neil Gorsuch, 246 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:35,639 and they sided with Texas. They rejected the notion that 247 00:15:35,679 --> 00:15:39,360 the state Republicans redrew the map based on race. They wrote, 248 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,799 Here's what they wrote. Quote First, the dissent does not 249 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:47,320 dispute because it is indisputable. Does not dispute that the 250 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:52,120 impetus for the adoption of the Texas map was partisan advantage, 251 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:56,480 pure and simple. That's what Alito wrote. See Alito has 252 00:15:56,480 --> 00:16:02,120 been consistent on this for years. They looked at partisan data. 253 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:05,080 They drew a map based on the partisan data. That's 254 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,960 not illegal. And just because you have these voting blocks 255 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:13,200 that are predominantly minority and Democrat, doesn't mean that when 256 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,559 you look at the partisan data, it doesn't mean that 257 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,679 you're looking at the racial data. That's not the fault 258 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,720 of the Republicans. All right, if you're listening to this show, 259 00:16:21,759 --> 00:16:23,279 you know I try to keep up with all sorts 260 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:25,320 of current events, and I know you do too, And 261 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,840 you've probably heard me say get your news from multiple sources. 262 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:32,600 Why well, because it's how you detect media bias, which 263 00:16:32,639 --> 00:16:35,559 is why I've been so impressed with ground News. 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I wish the 285 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,200 states would just do it every ten years with the sets. 286 00:17:40,759 --> 00:17:45,200 It just they do because under this logic, anytime the 287 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:48,799 party changes an iota, they're going to redraw the maps 288 00:17:48,839 --> 00:17:50,160 every six weeks. 289 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,519 Speaker 2: So the reason Texas redrew the map was because they 290 00:17:53,519 --> 00:17:58,799 were under litigation. So like California, they did a mid 291 00:17:58,839 --> 00:18:02,720 decade red redraw. Like they did that on their own. 292 00:18:02,759 --> 00:18:05,200 There was no litigation that prompted them to do that. 293 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:09,519 Texas did a redraw. North Carolina, yes, and North Carolina 294 00:18:09,559 --> 00:18:12,640 did one, but North Carolina doesn't have any prohibition against 295 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:16,039 doing it. Some states do, some states limited to only 296 00:18:16,079 --> 00:18:18,680 mid decade or only you know, after the census. 297 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:20,880 Speaker 1: But this time I would. 298 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 3: Like to see the states just take initiative and only 299 00:18:23,279 --> 00:18:26,039 do it in response to the census rather than just 300 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:27,799 anytime the win check right? 301 00:18:28,039 --> 00:18:28,799 Speaker 1: So what happened? 302 00:18:28,839 --> 00:18:33,839 Speaker 2: So what do you say then when the census is 303 00:18:32,599 --> 00:18:34,599 UH is incorrect? 304 00:18:34,799 --> 00:18:37,799 Speaker 1: What do you do when the census makes mistakes? 305 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 3: I guess that's it. I guess you got to do 306 00:18:42,279 --> 00:18:43,200 the census people. 307 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: You have to what. 308 00:18:47,799 --> 00:18:50,079 Speaker 3: Well, I guess you got to do the census people. 309 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:52,640 This came up a couple of years ago when North 310 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:54,599 Carolina picked up a seat from. 311 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 1: Out west from Utah. 312 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 2: Well, Utah didn't get the seat and they wanted it right, right, 313 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:04,960 But in this case the twenty twenty census, they undercounted 314 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:09,200 about half a dozen states. They overcounted about a half 315 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:12,160 a dozen states. And when you look at the breakdown 316 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:15,839 on the undercounts, it was like five of the six 317 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:19,400 states that they undercounted were Republican states and five of 318 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:23,039 the six states they overcounted were Democrat states, leading to 319 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:27,039 a difference. I think the number was something like it 320 00:19:27,079 --> 00:19:30,839 was somewhere around ten seats that Republicans should have otherwise 321 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,759 picked up in the red states but did not because 322 00:19:33,759 --> 00:19:38,799 of the census mistakes their errors. So it would that 323 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,880 be sufficient to allow a state to do a redraw. 324 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 3: If it's every again, I think it's gonna be every 325 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,960 ten years. At some point, you either believe the figures 326 00:19:50,039 --> 00:19:50,599 or you don't. 327 00:19:50,839 --> 00:19:53,279 Speaker 2: Right, But when we know, well, but they audit their numbers, right, 328 00:19:53,279 --> 00:19:56,440 they go through and they check and see if they 329 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:58,680 did it correctly. And that's what they found was they 330 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,160 did not do it correctly. It was COVID. Remember it 331 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:04,559 was twenty twenty, and so they did not They made 332 00:20:04,559 --> 00:20:07,880 a bunch of mistakes and it altered the makeup of 333 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:11,759 the US House of Representatives to the detriment of Republicans. 334 00:20:12,039 --> 00:20:16,000 So we're just supposed to say, okay, well, sorry, census 335 00:20:16,039 --> 00:20:22,200 screwed up, like undercounting way more Republican states overcounting Democrat states, 336 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:23,920 and oh look at that. How it just kind of 337 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:27,640 all goes in one direction basically to advantage the Democrats 338 00:20:27,839 --> 00:20:30,960 and the Republican controlled states. Are just supposed to say, Okay, 339 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:32,519 I guess we got to live with this. 340 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,279 Speaker 3: Well my logic, I don't care which party is this 341 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,359 are just I just don't want to see him change 342 00:20:40,319 --> 00:20:42,960 again anytime the wind shifts, like Mary Poppin. 343 00:20:43,279 --> 00:20:47,880 Speaker 2: But that's not what happened here. This is a response. 344 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:51,119 So with the text hang on, hang on, they fond. 345 00:20:51,599 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 3: No. 346 00:20:51,759 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 2: What I'm saying is the Texas state. The Texas map 347 00:20:54,559 --> 00:20:58,240 was done because of litigation, so they had to redraw it. 348 00:20:58,319 --> 00:21:00,559 That's and so it just happened to fall and it did. 349 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,319 They didn't initiate that process for any other reason but 350 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:08,279 for the lawsuits that were launched by the Biden administration. 351 00:21:08,799 --> 00:21:11,440 So that's why they end up having to redraw their districts. 352 00:21:11,799 --> 00:21:14,240 So that takes that one off the table. The other 353 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:18,039 states then that started responding to the Democrat states that 354 00:21:18,079 --> 00:21:22,519 were doing the mid decade redraws, and like New York State, 355 00:21:22,559 --> 00:21:24,480 they were the first one to do it before Texas. 356 00:21:24,799 --> 00:21:28,279 Then California came along, Illinois is talking about doing it again, 357 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,559 and so the Republican states were doing it in response 358 00:21:31,599 --> 00:21:37,200 to California and New York. So Republican states should not respond. 359 00:21:39,759 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 3: I don't care who's leading it. It just becomes tiresome comic. 360 00:21:43,799 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 2: Oh okay, but I'm all right, but I understand the principle. 361 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,559 But I'm asking in reality, when you see Democrat controlled 362 00:21:51,599 --> 00:21:55,160 states that are trying to draw their districts to change them, 363 00:21:55,759 --> 00:21:59,440 when they are breaking your principle, what should Republican controlled 364 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:00,759 states do in response? 365 00:22:02,599 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 1: Nothing. 366 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 3: I mean, ultimately, I have you got to have faith 367 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,680 in the court system. They do exactly what they did. 368 00:22:07,759 --> 00:22:10,440 You take it to the court and say is it wrong? 369 00:22:10,559 --> 00:22:11,000 Is it right? 370 00:22:11,279 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 1: Well, California is allowed to do it. 371 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 3: If you think they're breaking the rules, and. 372 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:21,079 Speaker 2: They know they followed the rules, they went along and 373 00:22:21,319 --> 00:22:23,680 they put it to the voters. They suspended their own 374 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:27,039 state constitution just for this one redraw or maybe two, 375 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:31,839 and so they are ignoring their independent redistricting Commission, and 376 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,680 so they didn't break From what I can tell so far, 377 00:22:34,799 --> 00:22:37,480 they haven't broken any laws. Now maybe that there is 378 00:22:37,519 --> 00:22:40,920 pending litigation for it, but what so. But my question 379 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,599 still remains is but hang on, John, My question still 380 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,920 remains is what are Republican states supposed to do when 381 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:51,400 Democrat states advantage themselves to the point of taking power 382 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,400 in the US House or representatives. Are the Republicans just 383 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,319 supposed to say, oh, well, got to wait till the 384 00:22:56,319 --> 00:22:56,960 next census. 385 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,759 Speaker 3: No, I didn't say that. If the senses is dishonest 386 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,039 or messed up, then they should respond and they should 387 00:23:05,079 --> 00:23:08,720 be allowed to do so. But again, the mid what's 388 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,720 wrong with why don't we change it again two years 389 00:23:11,759 --> 00:23:14,079 from now or four years from now, or just every 390 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,119 even number or whenever we feel like it. When does 391 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:17,559 it stop? 392 00:23:18,519 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 4: Right? 393 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:18,880 Speaker 3: Well? 394 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I don't know. Every state is different. 395 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,119 They've got different rules. Our state we're allowed to draw 396 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,000 it whenever I think we want. I don't think there's 397 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:28,039 any limitation on it. 398 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 4: Now. 399 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,039 Speaker 1: If you don't want that to be the case. 400 00:23:30,279 --> 00:23:35,279 Speaker 3: Everything has to be on the ballot anyway, all their provisions. 401 00:23:36,599 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 1: What do you mean, all their provisions. 402 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,160 Speaker 3: Anytime California wants to do a proposition, it always goes 403 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:43,759 in front of all their state voters. 404 00:23:45,319 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 1: Okay, but that's not necessary. I mean, that's not about 405 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:48,640 the maps. 406 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 3: Oh, you're right, everything can set its some rules. I 407 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,920 would just like to have some uniformity. I don't think 408 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,960 it needs to come out of DP that. First of all, 409 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,640 you've got to believe that the census is fair. If 410 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,240 it's not, then you need to address it there. Right. 411 00:24:05,279 --> 00:24:08,640 But if it's not fair, the redistrict in response to that. 412 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:08,880 Speaker 4: Right. 413 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 2: But if it's not fair and there were errors made 414 00:24:12,839 --> 00:24:15,960 that disadvantaged the Republicans to the point where they do 415 00:24:16,079 --> 00:24:20,680 not control a large majority that they should have otherwise controlled, 416 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:26,200 then there's no there's no recourse for another decade. 417 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 3: Well, I don't want to disadvantage either party. I would 418 00:24:29,519 --> 00:24:30,079 like to have a lot. 419 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,319 Speaker 2: I'm talking about this, I'm talking about what we're in 420 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:32,920 right now. 421 00:24:33,559 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 1: Well we're in right now? 422 00:24:35,079 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 2: Is what I just laid out that the census undercounted 423 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:42,240 Republican states and it overcounted Democrat states and it led 424 00:24:42,279 --> 00:24:46,200 to a swing of like ten seats. 425 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: What's that? 426 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,279 Speaker 3: But it's a reason that we're response to the census, 427 00:24:50,279 --> 00:24:52,440 which I would like to be neutral from the get go. 428 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 1: I would too, but it wasn't. They made all these mistakes. 429 00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 2: So this is the state legislatures saying, Okay, day, well 430 00:25:00,519 --> 00:25:03,960 the census screwed up, and so we're going to make 431 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:08,279 corrections to the US House of Representatives composition because of 432 00:25:08,319 --> 00:25:09,759 the mess up at the census level. 433 00:25:11,519 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 1: So look, I mean, I understand if you want that 434 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:14,160 as a principle. 435 00:25:14,319 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 2: I think the way to address it is you go 436 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,960 for a state law change that says you're only allowed 437 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,559 to redraw districts every ten years and that's it. You 438 00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:25,640 put a cap. 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Hey, I have 466 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,799 to preface my remarks with I'm one of those people 467 00:26:54,799 --> 00:26:57,960 on my core philosophy is local control and state rights. 468 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,319 So the big issue I have with John is number one. 469 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,400 I don't want the federal government making a national mandate 470 00:27:04,839 --> 00:27:08,039 on these maps period. I think the states need to 471 00:27:08,039 --> 00:27:10,960 do it. And what do you do in situations where 472 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,079 we had the big hurricane in Louisiana and all those 473 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,559 people got moved into Charlotte and into North Carolina? What 474 00:27:17,599 --> 00:27:20,400 do you do when people don't like their government and 475 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,880 they're exiting New York and California and a lot of 476 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,799 them are coming to North Carolina. We need to be 477 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,359 able to locally see our numbers and be able to 478 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,160 count our own people and say here's what we have. 479 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:35,839 And I do agree there needs to be a law, 480 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,960 some kind of regulation, but if we have a population boom, 481 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,359 we should be able to have our local government say hey, 482 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,079 we need to have a recount, we need to redo 483 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,279 our maps. I don't want the federal government regulating when 484 00:27:48,319 --> 00:27:50,640 I can do my maps because they don't have as 485 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,079 good a grasp on our population as we do locally. 486 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 2: Well the sense I mean, I'm trying to remember, I 487 00:27:57,519 --> 00:28:01,599 believe that the maps are drawn based on the census 488 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:07,240 data from the decade census, right, So I don't think 489 00:28:07,279 --> 00:28:10,880 you're going to be able to capture like a growing 490 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,920 population during a mid decade redraw. Does that make sense 491 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,200 because you're you're always going to be using the twenty 492 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:18,880 twenty census data. 493 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 1: I think I don't think. 494 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 4: I'm not sure I agree with that. I think we 495 00:28:22,559 --> 00:28:26,200 ought to have local people who know what our populations 496 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,839 are that report them on an annual basis. We should 497 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:29,839 have that annual audit. 498 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 1: Well, that would I think. 499 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 2: I think that's I think that's different because in the 500 00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:37,079 Constitution it talks about the apportionment of the seats based 501 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,079 on the census, which is done every ten years. 502 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 1: So I'm not sure that you're allowed to I'm not 503 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:44,359 sure you would have to get that. 504 00:28:44,519 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 2: I think you would have to open that up to 505 00:28:46,279 --> 00:28:48,720 allow because I mean, the Census does updates to their 506 00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:51,200 data all the time, right, we all know this. They're 507 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:55,759 constantly updating the data. But the population counts every decade 508 00:28:55,799 --> 00:28:59,039 that they do in order to do the apportionment. I 509 00:28:59,039 --> 00:29:01,319 think that's what they always have to go by where 510 00:29:01,319 --> 00:29:02,119 they draw the match. 511 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 4: And I have no problem with the decade count Yeah 512 00:29:05,839 --> 00:29:07,640 they want to do that, great, But when we have 513 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,599 updated local information, we should act on the updated information. 514 00:29:11,759 --> 00:29:14,359 So again it goes back to the legislation and laws. 515 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,000 I think we need to write something, but I don't 516 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,960 want the government telling us how we're going to do 517 00:29:19,079 --> 00:29:21,599 stuff locally. Yeah, I think, yeah, that's that's the only 518 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:22,720 thing I wanted to throw out there. 519 00:29:22,759 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: I got you, George, I appreciate the call. 520 00:29:24,319 --> 00:29:30,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think we are constitutionally prescribed to 521 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:34,559 use the decade counts twenty twenty census in order to 522 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,680 draw the districts, no matter what year you're drawing the districts. 523 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,720 I don't think you get to do like any kind 524 00:29:40,759 --> 00:29:44,519 of updated census data because so remember, like how they 525 00:29:44,559 --> 00:29:47,599 do this is they take the total population count of 526 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:53,319 the country, right, and that includes illegal aliens. Okay that 527 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,880 and that's another point of contention, because you know, you 528 00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,920 take a bunch of illegal immigrants and you put them 529 00:29:59,920 --> 00:30:02,920 in into an area. They don't get to vote, right, 530 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,559 But now you're going to use them to pump up 531 00:30:06,599 --> 00:30:09,759 your numbers, your population numbers. And so when they take 532 00:30:09,799 --> 00:30:13,920 the total count across the country, they divide that total number, 533 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,240 like three hundred and fifty million people. Let's say you 534 00:30:16,319 --> 00:30:18,799 divide by four hundred and thirty five, because that's how 535 00:30:18,839 --> 00:30:22,559 many house seats there are, and that's what you that's 536 00:30:22,599 --> 00:30:28,319 how you get the population size for every district. And 537 00:30:28,519 --> 00:30:31,599 right now that number is somewhere around eight hundred thousand. 538 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,920 I think it's like eight thirty or something, but it's 539 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:38,240 like eight hundred thousand people per congressional district. And then 540 00:30:38,759 --> 00:30:42,559 depending on your states total population, that determines how many 541 00:30:42,599 --> 00:30:45,319 seats you get. And that's why some states lose, some 542 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,759 states gain. If your state does not even have eight 543 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,559 hundred and thirty thousand people, if it's only got half 544 00:30:50,599 --> 00:30:55,759 a million people, you get one seat. That's it, okay, 545 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,000 but and then all the rest of it. So that's 546 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,240 how they apportion all the rest of the seats throughout 547 00:30:59,279 --> 00:31:03,799 the nation. North Carolina's got fourteen, right, And that also 548 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,200 then ties into the number of Electoral College votes you get. 549 00:31:08,799 --> 00:31:12,079 So if a state is losing population, like New York, 550 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:19,680 like California, Right, like Illinois, they're losing population. Might that 551 00:31:19,759 --> 00:31:22,279 be an incentive to bring a bunch of people in 552 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:27,759 that will help bolster your population numbers while also providing 553 00:31:28,759 --> 00:31:31,279 an advantage of them not being able to vote you out. 554 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,599 Speaker 1: Of office, right because they can't vote. 555 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 2: If you bring in a bunch of illegal immigrants, you 556 00:31:35,759 --> 00:31:39,680 pack them into Chicago and that helps keep your population 557 00:31:39,799 --> 00:31:44,400 numbers up, so you minimize the loss of your congressional 558 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:50,359 representation and your electoral college influence and they don't get 559 00:31:50,359 --> 00:31:53,319 to vote you out of office. How awesome is that 560 00:31:53,359 --> 00:31:53,680 for you? 561 00:31:54,039 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 1: Right? 562 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,279 Speaker 2: Seven oh four number on the text line says love 563 00:31:59,319 --> 00:32:01,240 your show. But the ten minutes the two of you 564 00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:03,880 have been going around and around, it wasn't ten minutes. 565 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,920 He was only on for like seven he saying the 566 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,920 same thing. He wasn't getting your point. Yeah, look, I 567 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,640 mean he only wants to John. I think it was John. 568 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 1: He only wanted there to be districts drawn every decade. Okay. 569 00:32:18,319 --> 00:32:21,799 Speaker 2: But and if that's what you want, then pass a 570 00:32:21,839 --> 00:32:24,160 state law because the states determine that. 571 00:32:25,119 --> 00:32:26,359 Speaker 1: Right, That's what I was saying. 572 00:32:26,839 --> 00:32:29,599 Speaker 2: But I was also trying to probe to find out, like, 573 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,599 what are states supposed to do when they see a 574 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:43,559 system that is not apportioning the congressional representation fairly and correctly, 575 00:32:44,279 --> 00:32:46,920 What then do you do? What do you do when 576 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,440 a Democrat state that does not have the same you know, 577 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:56,160 prohibition on redrawing districts only every ten years, when a 578 00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:00,160 state like New York comes along and produces one of 579 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,319 the most gerrymandered maps ever seen in American history, to 580 00:33:03,359 --> 00:33:06,240 the point where their own party on their Supreme Court 581 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,200 rejected the map, saying this is illegal, like this is 582 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,400 too much even for us. You know, what do you 583 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,960 do when they're trying to steal seats out of the 584 00:33:15,039 --> 00:33:18,920 US House of Representatives and the Electoral College? Do you 585 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,559 just sit back and take that or do you then 586 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:28,640 respond in kind? Another seven oh four number says cheaters 587 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:33,039 should not be rewarded for cheating. Reminds me of the 588 00:33:33,079 --> 00:33:37,039 Simpsons episode where the two candidates for president were aliens 589 00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:40,160 and they said that it's a two party system, you 590 00:33:40,279 --> 00:33:43,079 have to vote for one of us, right, thus ensuring 591 00:33:43,519 --> 00:33:47,559 their enslavement. Yes, and also it gave us the best 592 00:33:48,039 --> 00:33:50,400 campaign slogan in history. 593 00:33:51,079 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 5: But tonight I say we must move forward, not backward. 594 00:33:55,759 --> 00:34:03,319 Upward not forward and always swirling to curling, whirling twas freedom. 595 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 4: Right. 596 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,079 Speaker 2: And then of course was it Kang and King and 597 00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:13,360 Kang or something whenever the two aliens they were they 598 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,280 were running against each other, and then they you know, 599 00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:18,239 one of them won, and then they rip the masks off, 600 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,920 and then they enslave all the all of the people, 601 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,880 and I think Homer says something like, don't blame me, 602 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,679 I voted for the other guy, you know, which is 603 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:32,920 the same enslavement. So a classic Halloween episode of the Simpsons. 604 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:38,199 So yeah, look, I don't know what else to do 605 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:45,440 when when our countrymen have broken this redistricting process so badly, 606 00:34:46,119 --> 00:34:47,800 I don't know what else to do except fight fire 607 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,800 with fire. All right, that'll do it for this episode. 608 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,920 Thank you so much for listening. I could not do 609 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,079 the show without your support and the support of the 610 00:34:56,119 --> 00:34:59,159 businesses that advertise on the podcast, so if you'd like, 611 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,400 please support them and tell them you heard it here. 612 00:35:01,559 --> 00:35:04,079 You can also become a patron at my Patreon page 613 00:35:04,199 --> 00:35:07,760 or go to dpecleanershow dot com. 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