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<v Speaker 1>You are listening to a Funds Media Network production. Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>world The Blaze. Listeners to episode sixty two. On today's show,

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<v Speaker 1>I feature my very special guest, Brian Townsend. He's a

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eight year law enforcement veteran and a retired Supervisory

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<v Speaker 1>Special Agent and former Resident Agent in Charge for the

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<v Speaker 1>US Drug Enforcement Administration, also known as the DEEA. Currently,

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<v Speaker 1>Brian is the founder and principal of Legal six Training,

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<v Speaker 1>where he provides consulting services and training to businesses and

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement entities worldwide. He also launched Only two Milligrams, Inc.

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<v Speaker 1>A five oh one c nonprofit organization where he leverages

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<v Speaker 1>his extensive experience and knowledge in the opioid field to

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<v Speaker 1>raise awareness and foster a deeper understanding of the opioid

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<v Speaker 1>epidemic and an illicit fentanyl crisis. We have a very

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<v Speaker 1>eye opening and informative conversation, so let's keep going. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for being flexible. I'm sorry to be fairly on

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<v Speaker 1>time here. You caught my attention as I was looking

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<v Speaker 1>and I was searching literally doing a show on the border,

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<v Speaker 1>and one of the things I kept coming up, obviously

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<v Speaker 1>and they keep talking about, is the fentanyl crisis. And

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<v Speaker 1>all the drugs coming across the border. And then I

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<v Speaker 1>came across your name and then saw that you were

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<v Speaker 1>a DAA agent and I'm sure experience goes way beyond that,

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<v Speaker 1>but involved in law enforcement, so I thought i'd reach

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<v Speaker 1>out to you. And then I also saw that you

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<v Speaker 1>train other law enforcement agencies still to this day.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that correct? That's correct?

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<v Speaker 1>So I wanted I wanted to talk to you because

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<v Speaker 1>you are an expert on this and the problem I'm

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<v Speaker 1>having that that we're seeing these days with social media

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<v Speaker 1>is everybody has an opinion on something but doesn't have

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<v Speaker 1>all the facts. And so that's the whole reason I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to talk to just like can we get some

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<v Speaker 1>real inside information on what's really happening, what the realities

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<v Speaker 1>are fact from fiction? And then also want to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about like what you're doing now after you left the

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<v Speaker 1>DEA and how you're still involved in all of this.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, yeah, perfect. So I was with the DEA for

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<v Speaker 2>twenty three years. Prior to that, I was a police

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<v Speaker 2>officer for five years, so twenty eight years in law

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<v Speaker 2>enforcement in an active capacity, you know, wearing the badge

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<v Speaker 2>and gun. But I still work with law enforcement post

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<v Speaker 2>DEA in a training capacity.

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<v Speaker 1>What's your involvement with training in law enforcement?

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<v Speaker 2>Though?

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<v Speaker 1>Like, what are you doing as force training?

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<v Speaker 2>So I wear a couple of hats. I went to work. Well, Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>when I retired from DEA in twenty twenty two, I

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<v Speaker 2>started my own training and consulting business, Eagle six Training.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't just train law enforcement, but that's something

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<v Speaker 2>that's the world I navigated in for the last thirty years,

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<v Speaker 2>so I have a lot of contacts and it just

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<v Speaker 2>was a natural fit and I'm doing quite a bit

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<v Speaker 2>with law enforcement in that capacity. And then that led

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<v Speaker 2>me to a risk center. Uh there's six ris centers

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<v Speaker 2>across the United States, and there's one in Missouri that

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<v Speaker 2>serves the Midwest and it's the Midwest Organized Crime Information Center,

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<v Speaker 2>and they hired me as a law enforcement training coordinator.

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<v Speaker 2>Started part time and now now I'm full time and

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<v Speaker 2>I train law enforcement in the nine states that we serve.

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<v Speaker 2>So I do Egle six training in the forty one

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<v Speaker 2>states and MCIC and the nine States. And then I

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<v Speaker 2>started a nonprofit organization of five oh one c three

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<v Speaker 2>IRS recognized nonprofit to address specifically the fentanyl crisis, and

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<v Speaker 2>we're actually expanding into more threats and trends and what

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<v Speaker 2>we can address to make our community safer. And right

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<v Speaker 2>now that focus has been illicit ventanyl.

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<v Speaker 1>What what are you offering through your nonprofit in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of training and awareness when it comes to feneral.

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<v Speaker 2>So we have we have three classes that My flagship

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<v Speaker 2>class is a four hour comprehensive class. It's it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>under It's the Illicit Fentanyl Crisis Understanding, Awareness and Action.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a four hour class and it's it really is

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<v Speaker 2>the kitchen sink. I mean, we talk about you know

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<v Speaker 2>what fentanyl is, you know the fact that only two

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<v Speaker 2>milligrams is enough to kill you if it gets in

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<v Speaker 2>your system, The cartels, the border, social media, the dark web.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we really really talk about everything. That presentation

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<v Speaker 2>changes a lot. I keep up to date on a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of the research I get. I have access to

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the bulletins. Still, I'm still involved with

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of folks at THEA and so I'm quite

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<v Speaker 2>up to date on what's going on in the illicit

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<v Speaker 2>fentanyl world. And so I'm always changing that presentation and

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<v Speaker 2>making sure all the statistics and informations up to date.

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<v Speaker 2>And like I said, that's a four hour, very very

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<v Speaker 2>comprehensive program. I've done ninety five or ninety six now

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<v Speaker 2>across the United States. I have a shorter presentation that

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<v Speaker 2>I call a lunche and learn. I've had a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of executives and senior business leaders that are interested in

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<v Speaker 2>learning more about Listit ventanyl, but they've told me they

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<v Speaker 2>don't have four hours to spare, so they give me

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<v Speaker 2>an hour and they kind of get the overview. That's

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<v Speaker 2>gone really well. And then I have a program I

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<v Speaker 2>called Chattering Dreams, which is for students, and I've done

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<v Speaker 2>it for younger students, but my primary audience so far

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<v Speaker 2>has been high school and college students, and that's really

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<v Speaker 2>just giving them information and making them aware of the

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<v Speaker 2>fentanyl crisis and the changing drug landscape.

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<v Speaker 1>So two milligrams is enough to kill.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, two milligrams, So a couple of granules assault or saan.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Okay, it's so potent in that dangerous that but

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<v Speaker 1>there's got to be a max a huge amount of

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<v Speaker 1>profit behind it, because for the cartels, for example, to

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<v Speaker 1>take such a risk of using something that you can

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<v Speaker 1>literally just come in contact with it if it absorbs

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<v Speaker 1>in your skin, right and gets into your bloodstream. Is

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<v Speaker 1>it that dangerous? Can it be that dangerous?

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<v Speaker 2>No? And that that is I'm glad you brought that up.

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<v Speaker 2>So in twenty sixteen, DEA put out a officer safety

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<v Speaker 2>bulletin and then that went to the public as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that you know that there was a risk of

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<v Speaker 2>phtonol exposure, that it could absorb in your skin, that

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<v Speaker 2>you know, just being around it could could make you overdose.

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<v Speaker 2>And we now know that's that's that's not factual. We

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<v Speaker 2>know that's that's incorrect, and it's a very dangerous drug

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<v Speaker 2>and we should respect that. But just being around, merely

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<v Speaker 2>being around it, you know, won't won't put anybody in jeopardy. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>respect the drug use, use whatever ppe makes you feel confident.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I always wear naitral gloves and that's what

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<v Speaker 2>I recommend, and that's what I wore when I was

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<v Speaker 2>around it, and here I am. It has to get

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<v Speaker 2>into your bloodstream. It has to get through a mucous membrane.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you're snorting it, you're injecting it, you're swallowing

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<v Speaker 2>a pill. It's got to get into your body somehow.

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<v Speaker 2>Just merely being around it or even touching it. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not going not going to cause any harm.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it always a case where finnyls being used to

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<v Speaker 1>as something that's mixed into other drugs? Is it ever

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<v Speaker 1>used just on its own, because I mean two milligrams

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<v Speaker 1>is not a lot. Yeah, how is it being utilized?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? So it got into our drug supply via heroin.

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<v Speaker 2>It was when heroin took off. After the legal opioid

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<v Speaker 2>crisis in the nineteen nineties that started with oxyconton, we

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<v Speaker 2>saw an increase in heroin use and the traffickers needed

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<v Speaker 2>to cut heroin, and fentanyl was the perfect cut because

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<v Speaker 2>it is an opioid, so it has the same properties

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<v Speaker 2>as heroin, and it's much cheaper. It's synthetic, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>very potent and it's very addictive. So they started to

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<v Speaker 2>it just took off and now we see it in cocaine,

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<v Speaker 2>we see it methamphetamine, we see it in all the

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<v Speaker 2>counterfeit pills. Do people use fentanyl alone, Yeah, but typically

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<v Speaker 2>it's through other drugs, you know, the heroin, the cocaine,

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<v Speaker 2>the methinphetamine.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>If you if you find someone who's struggling with substitutes disorders,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, addiction, who is using just fentanyl. That's uh.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want say it's rare, but uh, I would

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<v Speaker 2>more than likely if you were to follow their path,

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<v Speaker 2>their drug use path, it probably started with another drug

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<v Speaker 2>and then it led to the fentanyl.

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<v Speaker 1>That's actually pretty infortive because I think I think there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of misunderstanding on how it was being used

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<v Speaker 1>exactly because uh, you see on the news lately in

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<v Speaker 1>social media, they just talk about fentanyl by itself, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think some people think it's just they're taking that

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<v Speaker 1>on its own, which would be very dangerous to do.

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<v Speaker 1>So it seems that it's in combination with another drug

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<v Speaker 1>or used to cut another drug.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely, that that's how it's most likely taken and

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<v Speaker 2>and in fact, that's how most people are why they're dying,

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<v Speaker 2>is they have no idea that it's fentanyl in the

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<v Speaker 2>uh in the drugs that they're taking. That's why the

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<v Speaker 2>street drugs are so dangerous right now, is is uh

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you think you're getting a pill, you think

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<v Speaker 2>you're getting percoset or oxy here or know or even adderall.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't have to be an opioid and then boom,

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<v Speaker 2>you got fentanyl in it, or you think you're using

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<v Speaker 2>cocaine or method fetamine. There are people using fentanyl, like

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<v Speaker 2>I said, but but typically it's it's in combination with

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<v Speaker 2>another drug.

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<v Speaker 1>Understood, So what's what's driving what's driving fentanyl in its

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<v Speaker 1>use in general? Obviously there's a need or demand. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>We're looking at it from a market or capitalist capitalistic perspective,

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<v Speaker 1>So this is obviously making drugs in general more profitable. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>Who are the major suppliers of fentanyl? I mean, we

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<v Speaker 1>always hear China thrown around, We hear you know, other

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<v Speaker 1>countries and other other nefarious actors involved. But from your experience,

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<v Speaker 1>who are the major players involved that really helped to

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<v Speaker 1>supply this for what it's used for.

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<v Speaker 2>So, so the chemicals, the major players and the chemicals

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<v Speaker 2>are are China. India's number two, but China's number one

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<v Speaker 2>and by far number one. So those chemicals are shipped

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<v Speaker 2>from China primary early into Mexico and the drug cartels

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<v Speaker 2>will take shipment usually at the ports, and then from

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<v Speaker 2>there they're trucked into locations in Mexico where where they're

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<v Speaker 2>you know, their chemicals are made into fentanyl. It's the

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<v Speaker 2>same way they did or they just continue to do

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<v Speaker 2>with methamphetamine. The chemicals come from places like China, they

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<v Speaker 2>come into the ports, they get trucked into the different

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<v Speaker 2>labs and the different locations, and then they make the

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<v Speaker 2>methamphetamine and then they smuggle into the US. The two

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<v Speaker 2>primary organizations in Mexico that are behind that are the

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<v Speaker 2>Sinaloa Cartel, the CDs in the Jalisco New Generation, the CJNG.

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<v Speaker 2>Those are the two primary drug cartels transnational criminal organizations

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<v Speaker 1>So it is primarily China and the Mexican cartels or

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<v Speaker 1>those two Mexican cartels that you mentioned.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, absolutely, you know, I think about how methanphetamine. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>if if you follow the history of methamphetamine, you remember

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<v Speaker 2>the early two thousands, we had a huge meth problem

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<v Speaker 2>United States. I mean, it's the most c drug in

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<v Speaker 2>the US. But we had a lot of these little

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<v Speaker 2>labs that popped up everywhere, right, and so what do

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<v Speaker 2>we do? We started to regulate the different the chemicals

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<v Speaker 2>And what what that did overnight is that it really

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<v Speaker 2>So at that time the cartel said, hey, wait, this

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<v Speaker 2>places like China and India. It says, hey, can we

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<v Speaker 2>And that's exactly what happened. They started to ship these

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<v Speaker 2>fetamie and that's where we started the super labs and

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<v Speaker 2>and we were paying probably twenty one thousand dollars a

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<v Speaker 2>methamphetamine for about anywhere from eight hundred to fifteen hundred

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<v Speaker 2>ten twenty years, fentanyl becomes popular. They need, like I

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<v Speaker 2>the need for fentanyl grew. And it's such an addictive

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<v Speaker 2>So they when they were making those phone calls to

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<v Speaker 2>the Chinese suppliers and the suppliers in China, they said, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, we need the chemicals to make fentanyl now,

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<v Speaker 2>and of course those relationships were already established because of

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's the pipeline right there, China to the two

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<v Speaker 2>main cartels in Mexico, and then it's uh, it's transported

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<v Speaker 2>into the US the same way that they've successfully transported

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<v Speaker 2>other drugs into the US for decades.

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<v Speaker 1>So when politics aside, I'm just going to say, when

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<v Speaker 1>so when President Trump says the cartels are a problem

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<v Speaker 1>and this is why, and and people think he's being

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<v Speaker 1>whatever racis, naphone book, however you want to label it.

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<v Speaker 1>He is telling the truth. The cartels are an issue

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to this. Sorry, am I right?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? And absolutely, and both parties have I have said that,

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<v Speaker 2>said that, and I know Trump's a very polarizing figure. Definitely,

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<v Speaker 2>but what he said is is not It's not original

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<v Speaker 2>or it's not unique. This has been a shared feeling

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<v Speaker 2>from from politicians on both sides of the aisle. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean one hundred percent. I mean, now the approaches are

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<v Speaker 2>a little different, but but yeah, these two and that's why,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, for the last gosh, for the last couple

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<v Speaker 2>of years, the strategic focus of DA has been these

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<v Speaker 2>to these two cartels. You know, before I retired.

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<v Speaker 1>What has been the hurdles Because I know you have

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<v Speaker 1>some connections. You can't talk about current investigations, but at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time, from your experience and what what you know,

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<v Speaker 1>what happened in the hurdles and trying to stop this.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of it has been well, I'm a lot

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<v Speaker 2>more freer to speak now since some some no longer

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<v Speaker 2>with TA. But along with lot's been the corruption and

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<v Speaker 2>the problems in Mexico. Is we have the information. The

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<v Speaker 2>pipeline of information, how it flows into Mexico to the

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<v Speaker 2>law enforcement and to the folks that are supporting us

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<v Speaker 2>is very restrictive now, especially within the last five years,

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<v Speaker 2>very very restrictive. Where we had vetted teams throughout Mexico

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<v Speaker 2>and we still do. There's a lot of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Mexico's beautiful country, a lot of great people who really

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<v Speaker 2>trying to make it safer and and and and you

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<v Speaker 2>know better, and they want to get rid of this garbage.

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<v Speaker 2>But the problem is that the option and the controls

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<v Speaker 2>they have really make it hard for us to disseminate

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<v Speaker 2>information to the people that can really use it. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think earlier this year, or actually earlier twenty twenty four,

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<v Speaker 2>Rutgers and a couple other organizations were looking at numbers

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<v Speaker 2>just to give you an idea of what I'm talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>They wrote, they wrote, you can google this, They wrote

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of things on it. We were giving them

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<v Speaker 2>information on labs, fentanyl labs, and it was like eighty

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<v Speaker 2>some are almost not almost close to ninety percent of

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<v Speaker 2>the labs that we gave them information on when they

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<v Speaker 2>actually went to go get them were inactive I can

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<v Speaker 2>tell you we the US law enforcements not giving bad information.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, sometimes you know, informants or information gets stale.

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<v Speaker 2>I get it, but it just doesn't make any sense.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, almost ninety percent of the information we're giving

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<v Speaker 2>them is no good. No, we wouldn't be wasting our

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<v Speaker 2>time like that.

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<v Speaker 1>So what does that mean there's someone leaking info? Or

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<v Speaker 1>as you said, just there's the corruption.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that's the concern, right, I mean, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it really is, because because now when when when information

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<v Speaker 2>goes down and it gets funneled a certain way, there's

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<v Speaker 2>certain offices in Mexico that take that information and they

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<v Speaker 2>decide how it's going to get disseminated. And the problem

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<v Speaker 2>is is we can't trust that process. You know, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not saying every bit of it's corrupt, but but there

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<v Speaker 2>are people who we know have been compromised. So when

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<v Speaker 2>that information is just thrown down earth is generalized and

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<v Speaker 2>then people get to decide what gets disseminated and where

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<v Speaker 2>it gets disseminated, we lose control of that. And when

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<v Speaker 2>we lose control that, what do we get? We get

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<v Speaker 2>ninety percent inactive labs. That's crazy, right, And that's just

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<v Speaker 2>one example. I mean, there's that that's that's been part

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<v Speaker 2>of the problem. That's and that's why it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be interesting really to see how Trump deals with Shimbam

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, the tariffs and all the different talk.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what, what leveraged can that possibly give the

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<v Speaker 2>US to be more effective and have them target there.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, what's more, it's more interesting, since you brought that up,

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<v Speaker 1>is the current labeling all these cartels as actual foreign

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<v Speaker 1>terrorist organizations, which now can involve the military, right Department

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<v Speaker 1>of Defense. So that's where it's going to be very interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>is how far they want to go to chase these

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<v Speaker 1>people down and treat them as true terrorists. What's your

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<v Speaker 1>opinion on that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm actually excited for that, and it really I think

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<v Speaker 2>it just again it leverages. It gives us some leverage

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<v Speaker 2>on our options. I mean, obviously, Mexico's a sovereign nation

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<v Speaker 2>and we have to respect that. And I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>concern is that, you know, we're just going to let

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<v Speaker 2>our military run while out in Mexico and I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got to figure out that partnership in that, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there is absolutely a partnership in that, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's what this does. It enhances our ability to

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<v Speaker 2>broaden that partnership and actually get some work done. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>their position seems to be, at least publicly as hey,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to take care of this problem, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to be more aggressive on this. And actually I

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<v Speaker 2>just read in the Intel bullets in this morning they've

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<v Speaker 2>they've certainly ramped up their enforcement efforts in Mexico over

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<v Speaker 2>the last couple of months. And you got to wonder

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<v Speaker 2>if that's because of the the fear of the tariffs

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<v Speaker 2>and and some of the other economic pressure.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, for those of you who don't for those

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<v Speaker 2>people who don't know, I mean Mexico, their number one

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<v Speaker 2>trading partner is the United States. It used to be China,

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<v Speaker 2>it's now the United States. So you got a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of big companies, a lot of people that are calling

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<v Speaker 2>the president and calling their politicians in Mexico saying, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>you need to figure out how to play ball with

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<v Speaker 2>with Trump rand or the US government because this this

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<v Speaker 2>impacts our bottom line and and and that's the reality

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<v Speaker 2>of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it can literally economically crush.

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<v Speaker 2>Them absolutely, and and that's a concern. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>and that's the leverage we have, and and and again,

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<v Speaker 2>not to be political or but because I know again

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<v Speaker 2>I know he's a polarizing figure, but but that's I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's what he's doing. And I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>speak for him, but that's that's my sense. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's the advantage some of the things that that

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<v Speaker 2>he's doing.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with you. I think that's what he was

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<v Speaker 1>using the tariffs for was literally a negotiation tactic. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure he's well aware that we do need our

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<v Speaker 1>partners in our allies. I'm looking forward to hopefully seeing

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<v Speaker 1>a real partnership between Mexico and the United States to

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<v Speaker 1>try to stamp this issue out because if anything, it

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<v Speaker 1>would help us align with Mexico and helping our ally

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<v Speaker 1>eliminate the corruption within and that that would be what

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<v Speaker 1>I would hope for, is to see them actually truly

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<v Speaker 1>have the ability to live a life out under the

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<v Speaker 1>thumb of, let's be honest, a terrorist organization.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I know people from Mexico that have family in Mexico

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<v Speaker 1>and that you know, I get a little insights to

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<v Speaker 1>what goes on and how the streets and certain towns

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<v Speaker 1>are controlled, and it's no way for anyone to live really,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't it's a sad state, one.

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<v Speaker 2>Hundred percent agree with you. In such a beautiful country,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's so many people down there who really truly

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<v Speaker 2>do want to, you know, make a positive difference. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's a struggle when you live in a you know,

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<v Speaker 2>look at the number of politicians that are have been attacked,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, look at the number of police officers you've

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<v Speaker 2>lost their lives. I mean, it's it's it's scary, it is,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a sad state of affairs, and it's unfortunate for

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<v Speaker 2>the people there.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's shift to the northern though, because how much, how

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<v Speaker 1>how serious is the trafficking through through the Canadian border.

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<v Speaker 2>Trafficking of fentanyl into the US from Canada isn't, from

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<v Speaker 2>my perspective, a huge problem, certainly, not like it is

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<v Speaker 2>from our southern border. Canada has some issues itself because

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<v Speaker 2>of they've been very progressive in their drug laws, and

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<v Speaker 2>it really is starting to bite them in the butt.

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<v Speaker 2>You look at the super labs and the amount of

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<v Speaker 2>fentanyl seizures in Canada and the problem that they're having

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<v Speaker 2>in Canada, uh is, gosh, it's it's it's getting out

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<v Speaker 2>of hand, just like it is in the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>As far as that those drugs being smuggled into the US,

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't seen any significant numbers, certainly, not like we

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<v Speaker 1>The most of it is staying in Canada.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they they they're I mean Mexico has a problem

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<v Speaker 2>with with fentanyl as well. I mean, I think of

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<v Speaker 2>report just came out like Tijuana is losing like ten

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<v Speaker 2>people a day to over is just Tijuana. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>that's just one little city, right and Canada is having

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<v Speaker 2>a tenfold that problem. They're they're really really struggled.

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<v Speaker 1>I know they went through a crazy, uh crazy problem

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<v Speaker 1>with methamphetamines too, with meth in general. Once the Hell's

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<v Speaker 1>Angels took hold of that area up there for a

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<v Speaker 1>long time and a couple of other biker gangs were

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<v Speaker 1>dug in and starting to get in, you know, expand

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<v Speaker 1>that market out there. So I know that that happened

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<v Speaker 1>years back. Is a lot of the drugs though, because

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<v Speaker 1>is this true? Is a lot of drugs getting there?

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<v Speaker 1>Like the cartels if they're supplying US, why are they

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<v Speaker 1>not supplying casts or are there are they coming through

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<v Speaker 1>America and smuggling stuff across our border into Canada. Is

419
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<v Speaker 1>that is that a true statement? Is that's what that's happening.

420
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there there are There are cartel involvement in Canada

421
00:21:46.720 --> 00:21:50.839
<v Speaker 2>as well. Absolutely, and they also have a problem with

422
00:21:50.920 --> 00:21:54.400
<v Speaker 2>chemicals coming into Canada. And and like you said, the labs,

423
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<v Speaker 2>we're seeing more manu the most manufacturing of fetanyl's O

424
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<v Speaker 2>curring in Mexico. We've certainly seen an increase in Canada.

425
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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I mean they're they're they're having the same

426
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<v Speaker 2>issues and challenges that we are not at the scale

427
00:22:08.079 --> 00:22:10.359
<v Speaker 2>yet that that we have. I mean, it's unprecedented in

428
00:22:10.400 --> 00:22:12.920
<v Speaker 2>the US. Durd demand for drugs is out of hand here,

429
00:22:13.279 --> 00:22:18.039
<v Speaker 2>but they are certainly are having problems as well. Unfortunately.

430
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sod one of those drug issues really become big,

431
00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:23.720
<v Speaker 1>was it pretty much like in the mid to late

432
00:22:23.759 --> 00:22:26.880
<v Speaker 1>eighties with the cocaine craze.

433
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<v Speaker 2>Well, it really depends on I mean, if you if

434
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<v Speaker 2>opioid specific was really the nineteen nineties opioids, Yeah, I

435
00:22:33.559 --> 00:22:35.880
<v Speaker 2>mean we we we had an opioid problem in the

436
00:22:35.920 --> 00:22:39.240
<v Speaker 2>in the eighteen hundreds in the United States following the

437
00:22:39.240 --> 00:22:43.160
<v Speaker 2>Civil War, and if if you really dive into our

438
00:22:43.559 --> 00:22:46.160
<v Speaker 2>history that was the first time we saw widespread addiction.

439
00:22:46.640 --> 00:22:49.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean, we were using morphine and opium for for

440
00:22:50.000 --> 00:22:53.279
<v Speaker 2>everything during the Civil War and and and that caused

441
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<v Speaker 2>widespread addiction. And after the war, those soldiers took that

442
00:22:57.079 --> 00:22:59.400
<v Speaker 2>back to their you know, their homes, their communities, and

443
00:22:59.559 --> 00:23:02.640
<v Speaker 2>we never anything like that before, and we continued to

444
00:23:02.759 --> 00:23:05.000
<v Speaker 2>use it because there wasn't any regulation. There wasn't any

445
00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:09.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, there wasn't it wasn't anything preventing that that

446
00:23:09.279 --> 00:23:12.400
<v Speaker 2>widespread abuse, and it just got worse and worse and worse.

447
00:23:12.440 --> 00:23:16.000
<v Speaker 2>And the early nineteen hundreds we started to we started

448
00:23:16.799 --> 00:23:20.640
<v Speaker 2>to clamp down on that. In fact, the first federal

449
00:23:20.680 --> 00:23:23.559
<v Speaker 2>ban of drugs was opium, first time our government ever

450
00:23:23.599 --> 00:23:27.079
<v Speaker 2>did that. And so from the year and then and

451
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<v Speaker 2>then because of what happened during the Civil Civil War,

452
00:23:29.799 --> 00:23:33.599
<v Speaker 2>we really turned away from pain management. I mean, we

453
00:23:33.720 --> 00:23:37.799
<v Speaker 2>used opioids for pain. But if you had an opioid

454
00:23:37.799 --> 00:23:42.880
<v Speaker 2>prescription from the early nineteen hundreds to nineteen ninety six,

455
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<v Speaker 2>we know the date you were probably dying. I'm not

456
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<v Speaker 2>saying there wasn't some exceptions or people that you know

457
00:23:50.079 --> 00:23:52.559
<v Speaker 2>that that fooled the system. But if you had an

458
00:23:52.559 --> 00:23:56.480
<v Speaker 2>oploid prescription, it was. It wasn't subjective. It was probably objective.

459
00:23:56.519 --> 00:23:58.279
<v Speaker 2>I meaning like the doctor could look at you and

460
00:23:58.319 --> 00:24:00.279
<v Speaker 2>see that your arm was an eight different direction, that

461
00:24:00.319 --> 00:24:01.960
<v Speaker 2>you were probably in pain. You couldn't just go in

462
00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:04.519
<v Speaker 2>there and say my back hurts and walk away with

463
00:24:04.559 --> 00:24:07.680
<v Speaker 2>a thirty day script of hydrocodone. Again, I know there's

464
00:24:07.680 --> 00:24:09.519
<v Speaker 2>some exceptions, but for the most part, that's how we

465
00:24:09.559 --> 00:24:13.000
<v Speaker 2>treated pain management. And there was this big, big push

466
00:24:13.000 --> 00:24:15.000
<v Speaker 2>in the United States to change that. And we now

467
00:24:15.079 --> 00:24:17.799
<v Speaker 2>know that that was the pharmaceutical industry was behind that,

468
00:24:17.880 --> 00:24:20.440
<v Speaker 2>and Purdue was the big, the big one, and they

469
00:24:20.440 --> 00:24:22.200
<v Speaker 2>weren't alone, but they were the big one, and there

470
00:24:22.240 --> 00:24:25.279
<v Speaker 2>was million dollars, millions and millions of dollars into this

471
00:24:25.319 --> 00:24:28.960
<v Speaker 2>campaign change the way that we that we treated pain.

472
00:24:29.640 --> 00:24:32.480
<v Speaker 2>And they would tell doctors say, hey, we need to

473
00:24:32.799 --> 00:24:36.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, we've advanced as a society since the Civil

474
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<v Speaker 2>War and the research is clear now that this isn't

475
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<v Speaker 2>as addictive and and they were just beating this drum

476
00:24:43.680 --> 00:24:46.440
<v Speaker 2>for ten twenty years and it worked. In nineteen ninety six,

477
00:24:46.480 --> 00:24:49.400
<v Speaker 2>we added pain as a fifth vital sign, and at

478
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<v Speaker 2>the same time they said, oh, when we have the

479
00:24:51.599 --> 00:24:54.559
<v Speaker 2>pill for you, oxyconton. And it's interesting if you read

480
00:24:54.640 --> 00:24:56.720
<v Speaker 2>some of the Foyer and Sunshine laws and all the

481
00:24:56.920 --> 00:24:58.400
<v Speaker 2>some of the some of the things that have come

482
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<v Speaker 2>out now, you know, and only Purdue was talking about

483
00:25:01.160 --> 00:25:03.880
<v Speaker 2>how this was going to be for terminal cancer patients,

484
00:25:03.880 --> 00:25:06.759
<v Speaker 2>but they agreed that that that pool of people is

485
00:25:06.799 --> 00:25:08.400
<v Speaker 2>too small, and then all of a sudden it was

486
00:25:08.440 --> 00:25:11.200
<v Speaker 2>going to be for everyone, right, And that's exactly what

487
00:25:11.200 --> 00:25:13.400
<v Speaker 2>they did, is they marketed for everyone, and they did

488
00:25:13.400 --> 00:25:15.079
<v Speaker 2>it under the guys at less than one percent of

489
00:25:15.119 --> 00:25:17.400
<v Speaker 2>people will become addicted, and we know that's not true.

490
00:25:17.680 --> 00:25:20.519
<v Speaker 2>It's the name of prophet, really it was. I mean,

491
00:25:20.599 --> 00:25:23.920
<v Speaker 2>we went we had a pill that I think it

492
00:25:23.960 --> 00:25:27.359
<v Speaker 2>took them, you know, three or four years after it

493
00:25:27.400 --> 00:25:30.440
<v Speaker 2>was released. They were they were spending two or three

494
00:25:30.519 --> 00:25:33.480
<v Speaker 2>hundred million dollars a year just on marketing. It was incredible.

495
00:25:33.480 --> 00:25:35.799
<v Speaker 2>And this was a thirty five billion dollar pill. And

496
00:25:35.839 --> 00:25:37.839
<v Speaker 2>again they weren't alone, but this was a big one.

497
00:25:38.200 --> 00:25:39.920
<v Speaker 2>And then you look at what that did. I mean,

498
00:25:39.920 --> 00:25:42.079
<v Speaker 2>we went from think about that, from from the early

499
00:25:42.160 --> 00:25:45.279
<v Speaker 2>nineteen hundreds to nineteen ninety six, if you had an opioid,

500
00:25:45.839 --> 00:25:50.519
<v Speaker 2>you were statistically speaking, probably dying, you know, and then

501
00:25:50.559 --> 00:25:53.359
<v Speaker 2>we went from no, they're safe. So in nineteen ninety

502
00:25:53.400 --> 00:25:57.160
<v Speaker 2>six on, you had your WISDM teeth taken out, you

503
00:25:57.200 --> 00:25:59.960
<v Speaker 2>probably went home with thirty sixty ninety pills, no questions asked.

504
00:26:00.079 --> 00:26:03.359
<v Speaker 2>Your kid hurt their arm throwing baseball in the little

505
00:26:03.400 --> 00:26:06.079
<v Speaker 2>league game, he probably went home with thirty sixty ninety pills,

506
00:26:06.160 --> 00:26:08.240
<v Speaker 2>no question to ask. And then they were going after

507
00:26:08.279 --> 00:26:12.720
<v Speaker 2>the doctors who were who were concerned about this potential

508
00:26:12.799 --> 00:26:15.400
<v Speaker 2>problem of over prescribing, and they would they would threaten

509
00:26:15.440 --> 00:26:18.519
<v Speaker 2>their licenses. And then the government started looking at this

510
00:26:18.680 --> 00:26:20.960
<v Speaker 2>and they started forming the you know, Congress would form

511
00:26:21.039 --> 00:26:22.799
<v Speaker 2>these committees and they'd have these doctors on there. And

512
00:26:22.839 --> 00:26:24.319
<v Speaker 2>we now know a lot of these doctors on these

513
00:26:24.319 --> 00:26:27.559
<v Speaker 2>committees were paid for by and by purdueing the other

514
00:26:27.599 --> 00:26:32.279
<v Speaker 2>pharmaceutical companies. So to give you an idea, by twenty twelve,

515
00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:36.200
<v Speaker 2>I think it was eighty one. It was eighty one prescriptions.

516
00:26:36.359 --> 00:26:39.359
<v Speaker 2>Eighty one or eighty two prescriptions per one hundred people,

517
00:26:39.440 --> 00:26:41.640
<v Speaker 2>not one hundred thousand, not a million, but per one

518
00:26:41.680 --> 00:26:46.119
<v Speaker 2>hundred people. So eighty one prescriptions per one hundred people.

519
00:26:46.240 --> 00:26:49.599
<v Speaker 2>Opioid prescriptions. I mean, we were it was literally we're

520
00:26:49.640 --> 00:26:50.759
<v Speaker 2>just giving it up for Nyasy.

521
00:26:50.799 --> 00:26:53.839
<v Speaker 1>Out of every hundred, out of every group of one hundred,

522
00:26:53.839 --> 00:26:55.680
<v Speaker 1>there was eighty one people on opioids.

523
00:26:56.200 --> 00:26:59.599
<v Speaker 2>There were eighty one prescriptions. Yeah for eighty one prescriptions, Yeah, prescriptions.

524
00:27:00.039 --> 00:27:01.839
<v Speaker 2>And to give you an idea, right now, it's come

525
00:27:01.880 --> 00:27:03.559
<v Speaker 2>down quite a bit. Right now, I think the national

526
00:27:03.559 --> 00:27:05.880
<v Speaker 2>average is about thirty seven and a half per one

527
00:27:05.960 --> 00:27:09.240
<v Speaker 2>hundred people. And so one of the things I look at,

528
00:27:09.400 --> 00:27:11.599
<v Speaker 2>especially when I travel, is I look at the counties,

529
00:27:11.640 --> 00:27:14.240
<v Speaker 2>and you know what counties are suffering the most, because

530
00:27:14.279 --> 00:27:17.079
<v Speaker 2>we do see a correlation of high opioid use, legal

531
00:27:17.079 --> 00:27:20.559
<v Speaker 2>opioid use to people turning to the illegal market. And

532
00:27:20.559 --> 00:27:22.880
<v Speaker 2>that's exactly what happened in the nineteen nineties when we

533
00:27:22.920 --> 00:27:25.440
<v Speaker 2>when we were giving opioids out like it was candy,

534
00:27:25.880 --> 00:27:29.000
<v Speaker 2>and we saw more and more opioids out there. You

535
00:27:29.000 --> 00:27:31.319
<v Speaker 2>know a lot of doctors are like, WHOA, this is crazy.

536
00:27:31.319 --> 00:27:33.160
<v Speaker 2>We've been We've been liied to, We've been we've been

537
00:27:33.200 --> 00:27:35.839
<v Speaker 2>fooled by by purduing these other country companies. We can't

538
00:27:35.880 --> 00:27:37.359
<v Speaker 2>just give this stuff out. We gotta a little more

539
00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:40.079
<v Speaker 2>responsible than this. So they started to wean some of

540
00:27:40.119 --> 00:27:43.440
<v Speaker 2>their patients or even just go cold Turkey, and a

541
00:27:43.440 --> 00:27:46.400
<v Speaker 2>lot of these these patients would would uh would just

542
00:27:46.440 --> 00:27:48.240
<v Speaker 2>go to other doctors. And that's when we saw the

543
00:27:48.240 --> 00:27:50.839
<v Speaker 2>pill mills pop up. That's when we see the people

544
00:27:51.039 --> 00:27:52.680
<v Speaker 2>get in their vehicles and they would just drive around

545
00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:54.519
<v Speaker 2>the whole regions and they would just get many pills

546
00:27:54.559 --> 00:27:57.079
<v Speaker 2>as they could, and then if they couldn't, they turned

547
00:27:57.079 --> 00:28:00.680
<v Speaker 2>to the street for for for for heroin. So we

548
00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:03.359
<v Speaker 2>saw a huge spike and haroin. We hadn't seen that

549
00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:05.680
<v Speaker 2>type of spike and hair win since since the Vietnam War.

550
00:28:06.599 --> 00:28:08.240
<v Speaker 2>And then that's how fentanyl came in.

551
00:28:08.359 --> 00:28:10.799
<v Speaker 1>So can we use there's an assumption, by the way,

552
00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:12.960
<v Speaker 1>But from whatever all the information you give me, does

553
00:28:13.000 --> 00:28:16.480
<v Speaker 1>it does it not sound like the cartels are part

554
00:28:16.480 --> 00:28:19.279
<v Speaker 1>of the problem. But the bigger problem to addiction is

555
00:28:20.119 --> 00:28:23.440
<v Speaker 1>internally and kind of fueled or started to be or

556
00:28:23.559 --> 00:28:27.799
<v Speaker 1>was started by the big farmer corporations because they, I mean,

557
00:28:27.839 --> 00:28:30.240
<v Speaker 1>I would say they they knew they were peddling something addictive.

558
00:28:31.039 --> 00:28:33.039
<v Speaker 1>They had to. I mean, the more you give someone,

559
00:28:33.200 --> 00:28:35.200
<v Speaker 1>if they like it, they're gonna they're gonna want more

560
00:28:35.200 --> 00:28:35.480
<v Speaker 1>of it.

561
00:28:35.839 --> 00:28:38.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I agree, and let me let me let

562
00:28:38.359 --> 00:28:40.839
<v Speaker 2>me say this real quick yeah, I have a problem

563
00:28:40.839 --> 00:28:43.119
<v Speaker 2>with the pharmaceutical industry. I have a problem with the cartails.

564
00:28:43.119 --> 00:28:45.240
<v Speaker 2>I have a problem with China. But we do need

565
00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:46.920
<v Speaker 2>to reduce the demand because at the end of the day,

566
00:28:46.920 --> 00:28:49.119
<v Speaker 2>it is our demand that that fuels them and that

567
00:28:49.240 --> 00:28:52.039
<v Speaker 2>and that allows them to be successful and exploit these people.

568
00:28:52.599 --> 00:28:55.240
<v Speaker 2>But to your question, yeah, absolutely, I mean we we

569
00:28:55.319 --> 00:28:58.119
<v Speaker 2>had an industry that that became billion.

570
00:28:58.599 --> 00:29:01.000
<v Speaker 1>Who created the demand though, like we had if we

571
00:29:01.039 --> 00:29:03.839
<v Speaker 1>had to say where it started, how was that demand created?

572
00:29:04.279 --> 00:29:06.920
<v Speaker 2>They created the demand. I mean when we went from

573
00:29:07.160 --> 00:29:10.400
<v Speaker 2>from when we added pain as a fifth final sign

574
00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:14.519
<v Speaker 2>and they started to give thirty sixty ninety pills, no

575
00:29:14.680 --> 00:29:17.480
<v Speaker 2>questions asked for just the I mean you ever been

576
00:29:17.519 --> 00:29:19.160
<v Speaker 2>by a pill mill. I mean we used to work

577
00:29:19.160 --> 00:29:21.480
<v Speaker 2>those all the time at DA and you know, they'd

578
00:29:21.519 --> 00:29:23.319
<v Speaker 2>open up at let's say seven in the morning and

579
00:29:23.359 --> 00:29:25.720
<v Speaker 2>buy five thirty. You'd have a one hundred people waiting

580
00:29:25.720 --> 00:29:29.880
<v Speaker 2>in line, you know, And I could tell you tons

581
00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:32.119
<v Speaker 2>of cases investigations we worked. I mean, we had we

582
00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:34.680
<v Speaker 2>had a bad guy who was putting homeless people on

583
00:29:34.799 --> 00:29:37.599
<v Speaker 2>buses and he'd take these people to the pill mills.

584
00:29:37.599 --> 00:29:39.519
<v Speaker 2>They'd go in there and they'd fake you know, my

585
00:29:39.599 --> 00:29:43.039
<v Speaker 2>back hurts, my knee hurts. Whatever. They'd get these scripts,

586
00:29:43.160 --> 00:29:45.160
<v Speaker 2>no questions asked, you know, they just pay their twenty

587
00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:48.359
<v Speaker 2>five thirty dollars copay and then they would they would

588
00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:51.359
<v Speaker 2>be bused to a pharmacy and they would fill these

589
00:29:51.400 --> 00:29:54.119
<v Speaker 2>scripts and then they would be paid twenty thirty bucks

590
00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:56.839
<v Speaker 2>or maybe a bottle liquor or something. And I mean

591
00:29:56.880 --> 00:30:00.000
<v Speaker 2>this was widespread abuse, and it still happens a little bit,

592
00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:03.839
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, it absolutely fueled in nineteen nineties. I mean,

593
00:30:03.880 --> 00:30:06.319
<v Speaker 2>they were out of control. I mean it was it

594
00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:10.000
<v Speaker 2>wasn't until twenty twelve that we actually twenty thirteen when

595
00:30:10.039 --> 00:30:14.880
<v Speaker 2>our government actually declared legal opioids a crisis, you know,

596
00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:16.839
<v Speaker 2>twenty thirteen, and no one even knows that.

597
00:30:17.519 --> 00:30:21.240
<v Speaker 1>So it sounds like that was the gateway basically, like

598
00:30:21.680 --> 00:30:23.680
<v Speaker 1>everything that happened and how it was handled by the

599
00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:27.079
<v Speaker 1>pharmaceutical industry, well, the companies that were involved in pushing

600
00:30:27.079 --> 00:30:30.640
<v Speaker 1>opioids anyway, That's what it sounds like. That's what got

601
00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:35.319
<v Speaker 1>people to start seeking and craving other illicit and illegal

602
00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:38.200
<v Speaker 1>drugs for their own use, because once it was shut off,

603
00:30:38.240 --> 00:30:40.039
<v Speaker 1>like hey, you know, law, get a prescription for this now,

604
00:30:40.039 --> 00:30:43.119
<v Speaker 1>you've got to seek another solution to your addiction. Then

605
00:30:43.400 --> 00:30:46.799
<v Speaker 1>enters you know the increase in legal drug use and distribution?

606
00:30:47.720 --> 00:30:49.359
<v Speaker 1>Am I connecting the dots there correctly?

607
00:30:50.079 --> 00:30:55.079
<v Speaker 2>Yes, sir, Absolutely, we saw a substantial increase in heroin use,

608
00:30:55.119 --> 00:30:59.000
<v Speaker 2>and we know there's been a lot of research. At

609
00:30:59.119 --> 00:31:04.000
<v Speaker 2>least eighty percent of heroin users started with legal opioid prescriptions.

610
00:31:04.960 --> 00:31:08.160
<v Speaker 2>Let me repeat that, eighty percent or more of heroin

611
00:31:08.279 --> 00:31:11.799
<v Speaker 2>users started with a legal opioid prescription.

612
00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:14.119
<v Speaker 1>I think that's one of the most important things you've

613
00:31:14.160 --> 00:31:17.319
<v Speaker 1>said so far as far as it relates to the

614
00:31:17.759 --> 00:31:19.920
<v Speaker 1>drug demand and use in the United States. And I

615
00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:23.400
<v Speaker 1>llegal drugs. And what's crazy is when you when you

616
00:31:23.400 --> 00:31:27.200
<v Speaker 1>were given the history on this earlier, the reality is,

617
00:31:27.480 --> 00:31:30.559
<v Speaker 1>how is it okay? How does our administration think it's

618
00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:35.440
<v Speaker 1>okay to market and advertise prescription drug drugs on TV

619
00:31:35.559 --> 00:31:38.480
<v Speaker 1>and radio and other media. The average person has no

620
00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:40.960
<v Speaker 1>idea what these things do. It's just associating the name

621
00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:42.759
<v Speaker 1>of their heads. So when they go to the doctor like, oh,

622
00:31:42.799 --> 00:31:45.000
<v Speaker 1>I heard this might cure this. Can you please give

623
00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:47.599
<v Speaker 1>this to me? Isn't that ridiculous?

624
00:31:48.200 --> 00:31:49.799
<v Speaker 2>I agreed. Let me throw another one at you. This

625
00:31:49.839 --> 00:31:53.359
<v Speaker 2>is an opioid related, but it's the same problem. You've

626
00:31:53.400 --> 00:31:55.519
<v Speaker 2>heard we have an adderall shortage in the United States.

627
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<v Speaker 2>I heard something about the kay we don't have a

628
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<v Speaker 2>short shortage. We can't meet the demand.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that what it is?

630
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<v Speaker 2>They can't be fast enough. So here you look at

631
00:32:02.920 --> 00:32:04.920
<v Speaker 2>the pharmaceutical industry and what they did in the nineteen

632
00:32:05.000 --> 00:32:07.720
<v Speaker 2>nineties and really prior to the nineteen nineties when they

633
00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:10.440
<v Speaker 2>were orchestrating this event to change the way we dealt

634
00:32:10.480 --> 00:32:13.519
<v Speaker 2>with pain. They have been telling us for the last

635
00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:18.920
<v Speaker 2>ten twenty years that our kids need stimulants, you know,

636
00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:22.200
<v Speaker 2>in this medicine. And if you look at the numbers

637
00:32:22.240 --> 00:32:25.200
<v Speaker 2>and you start going into high school, middle school, elementary school,

638
00:32:26.319 --> 00:32:29.160
<v Speaker 2>it's incredible that like you see these slide increases of

639
00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:31.920
<v Speaker 2>people using these stimulants, kids using these stimulants, and now

640
00:32:31.960 --> 00:32:35.759
<v Speaker 2>this they've spiked substantially. I mean monitoring the future study

641
00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:39.240
<v Speaker 2>which is which is a huge study out of University

642
00:32:39.279 --> 00:32:42.000
<v Speaker 2>of Michigan. I'm doing it probably twenty five thirty years.

643
00:32:42.680 --> 00:32:45.279
<v Speaker 2>Last year I think was fifteen percent of high school

644
00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:49.880
<v Speaker 2>seniors now say they're under some medical stimulant from a doctor.

645
00:32:50.240 --> 00:32:52.119
<v Speaker 2>Fifteen percent. And then when you again when you go

646
00:32:52.119 --> 00:32:56.799
<v Speaker 2>into middle school, in elementary school, it's increased substantially, and

647
00:32:56.839 --> 00:32:59.440
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't make sense. I mean, I don't study statistics,

648
00:32:59.440 --> 00:33:01.759
<v Speaker 2>but I do know that. You know, with statistics, there's

649
00:33:01.759 --> 00:33:04.839
<v Speaker 2>a there's a there's a an average arrange I figure

650
00:33:04.880 --> 00:33:06.359
<v Speaker 2>what they call that. And then when you look when

651
00:33:06.400 --> 00:33:09.119
<v Speaker 2>you see those those spikes, you look at them, why

652
00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:11.240
<v Speaker 2>are those spike? And then we're seeing.

653
00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:13.000
<v Speaker 1>That, Yeah, well, you're what you do is you start

654
00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:16.240
<v Speaker 1>to correlate the data. I mean you're correlating the data.

655
00:33:16.400 --> 00:33:19.359
<v Speaker 1>And then after that, outside of correlating the data, you

656
00:33:19.400 --> 00:33:22.640
<v Speaker 1>start to recognize patterns and so that that's that's what

657
00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:25.599
<v Speaker 1>you're seeing is in these reports. It's like, hold on,

658
00:33:25.920 --> 00:33:29.119
<v Speaker 1>there's a correlation here. Let me see. Uh, there's more

659
00:33:29.160 --> 00:33:33.319
<v Speaker 1>adderall or whatever types of drugs being prescribed, more demand

660
00:33:33.359 --> 00:33:36.359
<v Speaker 1>for this drug that drug, and you're seeing the spikes

661
00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:38.359
<v Speaker 1>on these reports, like, yeah, there's a correlation there. There's

662
00:33:38.359 --> 00:33:41.880
<v Speaker 1>something going on. This is absolutely connected. So it's crazy

663
00:33:41.920 --> 00:33:43.839
<v Speaker 1>that we have this data and yet we don't really

664
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<v Speaker 1>do anything about it, or on the surface, it doesn't

665
00:33:46.599 --> 00:33:47.480
<v Speaker 1>look that way anyway.

666
00:33:48.039 --> 00:33:50.920
<v Speaker 2>No, I agree, And what's interesting is is we're supposed

667
00:33:50.960 --> 00:33:52.480
<v Speaker 2>to use this data. Like one of the things DEA

668
00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:53.920
<v Speaker 2>does A lot of people don't know this is they

669
00:33:53.920 --> 00:33:57.640
<v Speaker 2>have what we call quotas and and working with the FDA,

670
00:33:57.799 --> 00:34:01.000
<v Speaker 2>DEA regulates the amount of drug drugs. And I've never

671
00:34:01.079 --> 00:34:05.039
<v Speaker 2>worked in this section, so hopeful I'm not messing up

672
00:34:05.079 --> 00:34:07.759
<v Speaker 2>the description of this. But basically what they do is

673
00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:12.400
<v Speaker 2>they monitor and they regulate the amount of the drugs

674
00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:17.440
<v Speaker 2>that are pharmaceutical company manufacturers. And like I said, we

675
00:34:17.519 --> 00:34:20.760
<v Speaker 2>can no longer meet the demand of adderall. So people

676
00:34:20.800 --> 00:34:23.440
<v Speaker 2>were freaking out, like where's our adderalls or adderall? So

677
00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:25.360
<v Speaker 2>what do they do? They go to their congressmen, and

678
00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:27.719
<v Speaker 2>they go to their senators, and then they come to

679
00:34:27.800 --> 00:34:30.159
<v Speaker 2>DA and say, hey, you need to increase your quotas.

680
00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:32.800
<v Speaker 2>And if you follow the money again, this goes right

681
00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:36.039
<v Speaker 2>back to the pharmaceutical industry, and they are putting a

682
00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:39.119
<v Speaker 2>lot of pressure on their senators and congressmen to tell

683
00:34:39.239 --> 00:34:41.199
<v Speaker 2>DA and the FDA and the federal government, hey, you

684
00:34:41.239 --> 00:34:44.079
<v Speaker 2>need to increase the manufacturing numbers. And that's exactly what

685
00:34:44.199 --> 00:34:46.079
<v Speaker 2>we've did. So if you look at the number of

686
00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:50.320
<v Speaker 2>let me time myself out for just a second. I

687
00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:52.199
<v Speaker 2>know there are kids out there who need certain things.

688
00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:53.880
<v Speaker 2>I get it. I'm not telling people how to parent,

689
00:34:54.480 --> 00:34:56.679
<v Speaker 2>but it doesn't make sense when you look at the

690
00:34:56.760 --> 00:34:59.840
<v Speaker 2>overall numbers. We are feed our kids drugs and an

691
00:34:59.840 --> 00:35:03.039
<v Speaker 2>earth earlier age these stimulates and it's already having impact.

692
00:35:03.559 --> 00:35:07.639
<v Speaker 2>I work with law enforcement every state, and the number

693
00:35:07.639 --> 00:35:10.039
<v Speaker 2>of narcotic agents who've told me that, hey, we've already

694
00:35:10.039 --> 00:35:13.119
<v Speaker 2>seen an increase in methamphetamine and cocaine arrests from young people.

695
00:35:14.119 --> 00:35:17.400
<v Speaker 2>If you look at the number of people dying from psychostimulants,

696
00:35:17.480 --> 00:35:21.559
<v Speaker 2>cocaine and methamphetamine, it's increased, and sadly, I think it's

697
00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:23.880
<v Speaker 2>going to continue to increase, especially for our young people.

698
00:35:24.559 --> 00:35:26.599
<v Speaker 2>The same thing, it really pisses me out. The same

699
00:35:26.679 --> 00:35:29.320
<v Speaker 2>thing that happened in the nineteen nineties with the pharmaceutical

700
00:35:29.320 --> 00:35:35.519
<v Speaker 2>industry targeting opioids happen with psychostimulants and we just let

701
00:35:35.599 --> 00:35:38.519
<v Speaker 2>it happen. And that's a trend in the next five

702
00:35:38.599 --> 00:35:40.480
<v Speaker 2>ten years, people like me are going to be talking

703
00:35:40.519 --> 00:35:43.400
<v Speaker 2>about in schools and you know, after the fact, because

704
00:35:43.760 --> 00:35:46.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, we're a react to society. We're never proactive.

705
00:35:47.360 --> 00:35:49.400
<v Speaker 1>I've said that more than once. I agree with you.

706
00:35:49.480 --> 00:35:53.280
<v Speaker 1>We are way too reactive, way too reactive. So even

707
00:35:53.360 --> 00:35:56.519
<v Speaker 1>if we get the cartels are an issue regardless. I

708
00:35:56.559 --> 00:35:59.960
<v Speaker 1>mean it's everything from sex, trafficking, violence, you name, everything else,

709
00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:01.719
<v Speaker 1>not just drugs. So we do got to get a

710
00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:03.719
<v Speaker 1>handle on that. But it sounds like our drug issue

711
00:36:03.800 --> 00:36:07.159
<v Speaker 1>is not going to really make a difference until we

712
00:36:07.480 --> 00:36:10.159
<v Speaker 1>change how we handle the pharmaceutical industry and the medical

713
00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:14.679
<v Speaker 1>industry in general when it comes to these addictive prescription drugs.

714
00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:18.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that's a challenge because that's where the money is.

715
00:36:18.840 --> 00:36:21.599
<v Speaker 2>It's I mean, you look, you know, we talked about

716
00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:23.679
<v Speaker 2>the opioid crisis, and I told you about like, you know,

717
00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:27.039
<v Speaker 2>OxyContin and how by twenty twelve we hit like eighty

718
00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:31.000
<v Speaker 2>eighty two prescriptions per one hundred people. We here in

719
00:36:31.079 --> 00:36:34.440
<v Speaker 2>twenty sixteen Congress passes and it was pretty much an

720
00:36:34.480 --> 00:36:37.719
<v Speaker 2>anonymous bill. I mean, both Republicans and Democrats supported it,

721
00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:39.760
<v Speaker 2>and I forget the name of the bill, but it

722
00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:42.840
<v Speaker 2>was it was basically to make DEA's job harder to

723
00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:46.960
<v Speaker 2>go after suspicious drug suppliers. And this was and if

724
00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:49.840
<v Speaker 2>you follow the money, it was the pharm seal clindustry

725
00:36:50.320 --> 00:36:52.960
<v Speaker 2>that puts money in both both parties pockets and this

726
00:36:53.079 --> 00:36:55.920
<v Speaker 2>was in twenty sixteen. We already had a problem in.

727
00:36:55.960 --> 00:36:58.360
<v Speaker 1>This crazy So they're putting money in their pockets, but

728
00:36:58.400 --> 00:37:01.559
<v Speaker 1>it's considered lobbying, right quotes for people who aren't watching us,

729
00:37:01.599 --> 00:37:06.320
<v Speaker 1>So it's lobbying, and they're able to influence policy by lobbying, right,

730
00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:09.880
<v Speaker 1>And you can't go after them because the company is

731
00:37:10.039 --> 00:37:12.679
<v Speaker 1>its own entity, which is kind of its own person.

732
00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:15.079
<v Speaker 1>So you're not really directly going after the people making

733
00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:18.239
<v Speaker 1>the actual decisions unless you can all recal I guess, right,

734
00:37:18.880 --> 00:37:21.719
<v Speaker 1>correlate their actions to what's going on in the company.

735
00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:24.199
<v Speaker 1>Is that right? Am I on the right path there?

736
00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:29.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? You're absolutely. Yeah. It's it's frustrating, it really is. Yeah.

737
00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:32.920
<v Speaker 2>It's like it's like when they were convenient committees and

738
00:37:33.000 --> 00:37:34.800
<v Speaker 2>they put these doctors together, and we now know that

739
00:37:34.880 --> 00:37:37.119
<v Speaker 2>a significant number of these doctors were bought and paid for,

740
00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:39.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, by the by the companies that they were

741
00:37:40.119 --> 00:37:43.159
<v Speaker 2>there to talk about. I mean, that's what kind of

742
00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:45.239
<v Speaker 2>conflict of your interest is that at the end of

743
00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:48.239
<v Speaker 2>the day. I just don't know how people can go

744
00:37:48.360 --> 00:37:50.280
<v Speaker 2>to bed at night, you know, how do they look

745
00:37:50.280 --> 00:37:52.079
<v Speaker 2>in themselves in the mirror and then and then close

746
00:37:52.119 --> 00:37:54.599
<v Speaker 2>their eyes and think, man, what are we doing? I mean,

747
00:37:54.760 --> 00:37:58.000
<v Speaker 2>the greed and the it's just disgusting and that that's

748
00:37:58.039 --> 00:38:01.480
<v Speaker 2>something that really just quite frankly pisses me off as

749
00:38:01.519 --> 00:38:02.000
<v Speaker 2>well well.

750
00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:05.199
<v Speaker 1>And that and so when when Scheinbaum said, you know,

751
00:38:05.719 --> 00:38:07.840
<v Speaker 1>President Mexico, when she made that statement, people hate it.

752
00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:11.199
<v Speaker 1>It's like all over acts everywhere, especially especially the hard

753
00:38:11.320 --> 00:38:13.920
<v Speaker 1>right conservatives, were like, how dare she say that the

754
00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:15.760
<v Speaker 1>only way we can hand the cartels are one way

755
00:38:15.800 --> 00:38:19.039
<v Speaker 1>is to decrease the demand in the United States, like

756
00:38:19.119 --> 00:38:21.039
<v Speaker 1>we're craving it, so that's why it's being sold. So

757
00:38:21.199 --> 00:38:24.199
<v Speaker 1>she is spot on that in that statement. But you know,

758
00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:27.599
<v Speaker 1>it's not the it's not the complete answer, but she

759
00:38:27.880 --> 00:38:28.880
<v Speaker 1>is correct.

760
00:38:29.800 --> 00:38:32.440
<v Speaker 2>You, No, it is a holistic answer, right, Like you said,

761
00:38:32.480 --> 00:38:34.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean, we gotta we gotta take we gotta we

762
00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:39.159
<v Speaker 2>gotta have some challenge, challenging questions and discussions within our

763
00:38:39.199 --> 00:38:42.679
<v Speaker 2>own country and our own pharmaceuical industry and and a

764
00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:44.320
<v Speaker 2>lot of things, not just them. You know, I know

765
00:38:44.400 --> 00:38:47.000
<v Speaker 2>we're picking on them, but I also agree with the

766
00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:49.199
<v Speaker 2>fact that we knew we need to reduce the demand.

767
00:38:49.239 --> 00:38:51.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean, look at the global population of the world.

768
00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:54.800
<v Speaker 2>The US is about four or maybe four and a

769
00:38:54.840 --> 00:38:58.000
<v Speaker 2>half percent of the global population. The entire world population.

770
00:38:58.119 --> 00:39:00.519
<v Speaker 2>We only represent four and a half percent, let's say.

771
00:39:01.360 --> 00:39:04.159
<v Speaker 2>Yet we consume the most amount of drugs in the world. Yeah,

772
00:39:04.239 --> 00:39:06.400
<v Speaker 2>and you can look at study after study after ste.

773
00:39:06.639 --> 00:39:08.679
<v Speaker 1>We are the market, right, We're the global market.

774
00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:11.800
<v Speaker 2>We are the market. And people can say, oh, you're

775
00:39:11.920 --> 00:39:16.400
<v Speaker 2>thinking of third world countries. No, USC did a study

776
00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:20.199
<v Speaker 2>back in twenty nineteen and they looked at just first

777
00:39:20.239 --> 00:39:24.599
<v Speaker 2>world countries, you know, the England, Germany, Italy, Australia, just

778
00:39:25.039 --> 00:39:28.800
<v Speaker 2>the big countries. Right, Your chances from dying from drugs

779
00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:32.119
<v Speaker 2>are three times greater than those countries, the two lowest

780
00:39:32.159 --> 00:39:34.400
<v Speaker 2>in the world, Italy and Japan. Your chances from dying

781
00:39:34.440 --> 00:39:37.039
<v Speaker 2>from drugs in the US twenty seven times greater than

782
00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:39.760
<v Speaker 2>those two countries. Your chances are from dying from drugs

783
00:39:39.760 --> 00:39:42.159
<v Speaker 2>in the US by age fifty greater than any of

784
00:39:42.199 --> 00:39:45.119
<v Speaker 2>those countries. I mean, we have to reduce the demand.

785
00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:50.639
<v Speaker 1>So in a started by our own health care industry,

786
00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:52.719
<v Speaker 1>for example, hooking our own people on this.

787
00:39:53.000 --> 00:39:56.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was certainly certainly didn't hurt.

788
00:39:56.360 --> 00:39:57.880
<v Speaker 1>That's a blunt way to say it, but I mean

789
00:39:58.119 --> 00:39:59.559
<v Speaker 1>that's what it is right.

790
00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:03.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mean a lot of people were exploiting

791
00:40:04.119 --> 00:40:04.519
<v Speaker 2>from with it.

792
00:40:04.960 --> 00:40:06.320
<v Speaker 1>Let me let me be clear, I'm not I'm not

793
00:40:06.440 --> 00:40:09.400
<v Speaker 1>saying that every doctor's bad like I'm with I'm not

794
00:40:09.519 --> 00:40:12.039
<v Speaker 1>saying that. But if you're looking at the facts and

795
00:40:12.159 --> 00:40:16.159
<v Speaker 1>data in all of all the years, you know, all

796
00:40:16.199 --> 00:40:18.119
<v Speaker 1>of it back to when you were talking about the

797
00:40:18.159 --> 00:40:21.000
<v Speaker 1>nineties and et cetera, it all leads back to that,

798
00:40:21.559 --> 00:40:24.199
<v Speaker 1>it really does, and the greed of the people who

799
00:40:24.239 --> 00:40:27.320
<v Speaker 1>are making the policy decisions. It's insane.

800
00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:30.079
<v Speaker 2>I don't I don't disagree with you. I I that's

801
00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:33.760
<v Speaker 2>it is insane, And that's the ethical and moral issues

802
00:40:33.800 --> 00:40:37.519
<v Speaker 2>there that that's that's what That's what really bothers me.

803
00:40:37.559 --> 00:40:40.599
<v Speaker 2>I know there's criminal activity, but but how do people again,

804
00:40:40.679 --> 00:40:42.119
<v Speaker 2>how do they how do they look themselves in the

805
00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:42.880
<v Speaker 2>in the mirror?

806
00:40:42.920 --> 00:40:45.320
<v Speaker 1>And do you know if do you know of anything

807
00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:50.400
<v Speaker 1>that's being done now to help with that situation with

808
00:40:50.559 --> 00:40:54.159
<v Speaker 1>our prescription with our prescription drug problem. Are are they

809
00:40:54.199 --> 00:40:56.719
<v Speaker 1>still focusing on that? Is that still something that's being

810
00:40:57.400 --> 00:40:59.480
<v Speaker 1>looked at or did they kind of just step away

811
00:40:59.519 --> 00:41:01.800
<v Speaker 1>from it after ninety six or seven and say, well,

812
00:41:01.840 --> 00:41:04.119
<v Speaker 1>we kind of we did what we did now we're good.

813
00:41:05.360 --> 00:41:07.760
<v Speaker 2>No, we once it hit its peak, which was twenty

814
00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:10.280
<v Speaker 2>twelve and twenty thirteen, our government says, hey, we have

815
00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:14.039
<v Speaker 2>a problem. So in twenty thirteen, yeah, so we've seen it.

816
00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:17.000
<v Speaker 2>We started to regulate it more so we we've seen

817
00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:18.960
<v Speaker 2>a significant increase. So we went from, like I said,

818
00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:22.199
<v Speaker 2>around eighty one eighty two prescriptions per one hundred people

819
00:41:22.199 --> 00:41:25.079
<v Speaker 2>to where we are now, which is thirty seven and

820
00:41:25.119 --> 00:41:27.079
<v Speaker 2>a half. I believe as of twenty twenty four.

821
00:41:27.320 --> 00:41:29.320
<v Speaker 1>Still a bit though it is.

822
00:41:29.480 --> 00:41:31.639
<v Speaker 2>And then you know, like I said, when I travel,

823
00:41:31.679 --> 00:41:34.199
<v Speaker 2>I actually look at the states that I travel in,

824
00:41:34.280 --> 00:41:39.119
<v Speaker 2>and some some states are significantly high. And let's give

825
00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:41.360
<v Speaker 2>you an example of the worst in the Well, the

826
00:41:42.360 --> 00:41:45.000
<v Speaker 2>number one state in the United States for drug deaths

827
00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:47.719
<v Speaker 2>is West Virginia. And if you look at the history

828
00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:49.840
<v Speaker 2>of West Virginia, they were really ground zero for the

829
00:41:49.920 --> 00:41:53.039
<v Speaker 2>OPIOAI crisis. So there is a correlation there. And then

830
00:41:53.039 --> 00:41:55.480
<v Speaker 2>if you start diving into the counties in West Virginia,

831
00:41:56.239 --> 00:41:59.480
<v Speaker 2>there were six counties that had over two hundred prescriptions

832
00:41:59.519 --> 00:42:03.320
<v Speaker 2>per hundred people, two hundred plus prescriptions, and there's still

833
00:42:03.320 --> 00:42:06.119
<v Speaker 2>a lot of they're still struggling in West Virginia with

834
00:42:07.239 --> 00:42:10.920
<v Speaker 2>with overdoses and drug poisonings and and and legal opioids,

835
00:42:10.960 --> 00:42:13.679
<v Speaker 2>and it's just it's it's going to take time.

836
00:42:13.960 --> 00:42:16.239
<v Speaker 1>Is educating people enough though? I mean a lot of

837
00:42:16.239 --> 00:42:18.760
<v Speaker 1>people say, well, if if you were educated, or if

838
00:42:18.760 --> 00:42:21.559
<v Speaker 1>you're educated about how these drugs affect you, you wouldn't

839
00:42:21.840 --> 00:42:24.559
<v Speaker 1>you wouldn't take them, or or you know, so easily

840
00:42:24.599 --> 00:42:27.440
<v Speaker 1>take the prescription for example. Is that a true statement?

841
00:42:27.519 --> 00:42:28.320
<v Speaker 1>Is education enough?

842
00:42:29.119 --> 00:42:30.760
<v Speaker 2>Or or is it?

843
00:42:31.039 --> 00:42:33.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry to second part I forgot. I didn't mean

844
00:42:33.320 --> 00:42:36.239
<v Speaker 1>to cut up sores. Here's the two part. Is education enough?

845
00:42:36.400 --> 00:42:39.000
<v Speaker 1>And and two if they are educated, is it still

846
00:42:39.079 --> 00:42:41.719
<v Speaker 1>enough to overcome the money behind the big farm in

847
00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:45.639
<v Speaker 1>industry Because with all the advertisements and everything that's going

848
00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:49.719
<v Speaker 1>on behind them peddling the drugs and associating it with

849
00:42:49.880 --> 00:42:54.719
<v Speaker 1>this with its current with this current use case. Right,

850
00:42:55.039 --> 00:42:57.159
<v Speaker 1>so I have a bad back, Hence I need to

851
00:42:57.280 --> 00:43:00.559
<v Speaker 1>use brand a Right. So, is education enough? And is

852
00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:02.639
<v Speaker 1>it enough to compete with the money that big forma has?

853
00:43:03.880 --> 00:43:05.679
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's enough on its own, but I

854
00:43:06.039 --> 00:43:10.039
<v Speaker 2>certainly think it's an important uh in the in the solution.

855
00:43:11.119 --> 00:43:13.280
<v Speaker 2>To me, this is a is not a complex solution.

856
00:43:13.400 --> 00:43:15.679
<v Speaker 2>I think, I think it has to be a holistic

857
00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:17.639
<v Speaker 2>I think it has to be different, you know. I

858
00:43:17.679 --> 00:43:20.159
<v Speaker 2>think we we have to ramp up our our our

859
00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:26.840
<v Speaker 2>efforts and our strategic focus on the two cartels. But

860
00:43:26.960 --> 00:43:30.920
<v Speaker 2>I think the education part is is important. It's one

861
00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:33.719
<v Speaker 2>thing that I've really dedicated you know, this portion of

862
00:43:33.760 --> 00:43:36.039
<v Speaker 2>my life too, and it's why I started a nonprofit.

863
00:43:38.159 --> 00:43:42.400
<v Speaker 2>I truly believe that information empowers people. I really do,

864
00:43:42.599 --> 00:43:45.239
<v Speaker 2>especially young people. I know that we're going to be

865
00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:48.039
<v Speaker 2>faced or I know that they're going to be faced

866
00:43:48.039 --> 00:43:50.199
<v Speaker 2>with with a lot of decisions and and and sometimes

867
00:43:50.320 --> 00:43:52.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, even with the right information, they're still going

868
00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:55.880
<v Speaker 2>to make, you know, bad decisions. But it does work,

869
00:43:55.960 --> 00:43:57.880
<v Speaker 2>and and there is a lot of research that says

870
00:43:57.920 --> 00:44:00.840
<v Speaker 2>that people that have, especially young people, have the information

871
00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:05.239
<v Speaker 2>are less likely not not no, but less likely to

872
00:44:05.360 --> 00:44:09.320
<v Speaker 2>make those bad decisions. But on its own, no, I think.

873
00:44:09.400 --> 00:44:11.440
<v Speaker 2>I again, I think we have to we have to

874
00:44:11.519 --> 00:44:15.199
<v Speaker 2>approach us from from several different angles. And and like

875
00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:17.960
<v Speaker 2>you said the second part of your question there, I mean,

876
00:44:18.440 --> 00:44:22.039
<v Speaker 2>we're facing an industry that throws you know, billions of

877
00:44:22.119 --> 00:44:26.079
<v Speaker 2>dollars and it's always, it's always that you look at smoking.

878
00:44:26.119 --> 00:44:27.639
<v Speaker 2>I mean we we've made we made a lot of

879
00:44:27.679 --> 00:44:30.920
<v Speaker 2>progress at smoking, especially for young people. And now I

880
00:44:31.000 --> 00:44:33.039
<v Speaker 2>mean what did what did a lot of these companies

881
00:44:33.079 --> 00:44:36.119
<v Speaker 2>do They turned their focus to like vaping and yeah,

882
00:44:36.159 --> 00:44:39.440
<v Speaker 2>and in marijuana and things like that. So now we're

883
00:44:41.039 --> 00:44:46.239
<v Speaker 2>we're starting the same thing with this new generation, trying

884
00:44:46.239 --> 00:44:48.360
<v Speaker 2>to warn them just like we did back you know,

885
00:44:48.480 --> 00:44:50.199
<v Speaker 2>twenty or thirty years ago on smoking.

886
00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:54.079
<v Speaker 1>Right, and yeah, it's it's like these big pharma companies

887
00:44:54.159 --> 00:44:57.119
<v Speaker 1>really have a huge hand and a social engineering or

888
00:44:57.639 --> 00:45:00.599
<v Speaker 1>engineering of our culture. And I I think the I

889
00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:02.800
<v Speaker 1>think the education part is important. I wanted your perspective

890
00:45:02.800 --> 00:45:04.920
<v Speaker 1>on because the only way to change a culture or

891
00:45:05.039 --> 00:45:06.679
<v Speaker 1>habit of culture is to start with the youth and

892
00:45:06.760 --> 00:45:09.119
<v Speaker 1>then generationally, eventually you'll be able to make that change.

893
00:45:09.119 --> 00:45:11.480
<v Speaker 1>So it's not gonna be overnight, but we've got to start.

894
00:45:11.519 --> 00:45:13.519
<v Speaker 1>We've got to start and stick to the plan. Sounds

895
00:45:13.559 --> 00:45:15.800
<v Speaker 1>like that's exactly what you're doing with with your two companies,

896
00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:19.280
<v Speaker 1>and you're with your nonprofit and your egal six because

897
00:45:19.280 --> 00:45:21.679
<v Speaker 1>even your egal six you train law enforcement on some

898
00:45:21.719 --> 00:45:22.360
<v Speaker 1>of the stuff as well.

899
00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:25.440
<v Speaker 2>Right, we do, Yeah, we we get into more you know,

900
00:45:25.519 --> 00:45:27.760
<v Speaker 2>smother things. Leadership and smother things that I have been

901
00:45:27.800 --> 00:45:32.119
<v Speaker 2>interest in. But but yeah, certainly, and I I agree.

902
00:45:32.159 --> 00:45:34.079
<v Speaker 2>I mean if we can, if we can change a

903
00:45:34.159 --> 00:45:38.039
<v Speaker 2>generation and get them to think differently than than, that

904
00:45:38.199 --> 00:45:40.280
<v Speaker 2>sets us up for success in the future. And that's

905
00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:40.679
<v Speaker 2>what we need.

906
00:45:41.159 --> 00:45:42.840
<v Speaker 1>Well, back to the cartels. Are we on the right

907
00:45:42.880 --> 00:45:46.400
<v Speaker 1>path so far? Are we? I mean labeling a terrorist organization?

908
00:45:46.599 --> 00:45:46.719
<v Speaker 2>Is that?

909
00:45:46.880 --> 00:45:48.760
<v Speaker 1>Is that the right? Is that the perfect way to

910
00:45:48.840 --> 00:45:51.199
<v Speaker 1>start this by actually saying, yeah, it's a serious I

911
00:45:51.480 --> 00:45:51.760
<v Speaker 1>think so.

912
00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:54.239
<v Speaker 2>I yeah, I mean we got to address it. I

913
00:45:54.280 --> 00:45:55.679
<v Speaker 2>mean we you know, and that's that's one thing I

914
00:45:55.760 --> 00:45:58.159
<v Speaker 2>do like about you know that that we're we're actually

915
00:45:58.199 --> 00:46:00.639
<v Speaker 2>having this conversation nationally now. It's you know, and I

916
00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:02.719
<v Speaker 2>know that there's still people that are playing politics and

917
00:46:03.280 --> 00:46:05.039
<v Speaker 2>because it came out of his mouth and there are

918
00:46:05.119 --> 00:46:07.519
<v Speaker 2>people that have to just you know, oppose it just

919
00:46:07.559 --> 00:46:08.239
<v Speaker 2>because it was him.

920
00:46:08.920 --> 00:46:10.960
<v Speaker 1>People are very team oriented, you know what I'm saying.

921
00:46:11.119 --> 00:46:16.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know, uh, Derek Maltz uh. I know

922
00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:19.199
<v Speaker 2>there's been some change the DA this last couple of days,

923
00:46:19.239 --> 00:46:21.480
<v Speaker 2>but you know, he he I think he's still the

924
00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:23.679
<v Speaker 2>acting administrator. I mean, he always says and I steal

925
00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:25.840
<v Speaker 2>this line it's not a red issue or a blue issue.

926
00:46:25.880 --> 00:46:27.599
<v Speaker 2>It's a red, white and blue issue. And I who

927
00:46:27.679 --> 00:46:30.199
<v Speaker 2>hardly agree. I mean, we've got to take off our

928
00:46:30.599 --> 00:46:32.960
<v Speaker 2>rs and r d's and say, hey, you know this

929
00:46:33.119 --> 00:46:35.760
<v Speaker 2>is this is killing our country, especially our young people.

930
00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:39.280
<v Speaker 2>And so I think, uh, I'm happy that we're having

931
00:46:39.320 --> 00:46:42.320
<v Speaker 2>this discussion nationally, you know, I I I don't know

932
00:46:42.559 --> 00:46:45.679
<v Speaker 2>how it's gonna end up with with us in Mexico,

933
00:46:45.880 --> 00:46:48.440
<v Speaker 2>but but hey, you know what, both parts, both both

934
00:46:48.480 --> 00:46:51.039
<v Speaker 2>countries are at the table talking and that's exactly what

935
00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:52.039
<v Speaker 2>we need. We need action.

936
00:46:52.440 --> 00:46:55.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we do, absolutely, and and it's it's it is

937
00:46:55.280 --> 00:46:58.320
<v Speaker 1>a uh, there's not it's not like a blanket solution

938
00:46:58.400 --> 00:46:59.920
<v Speaker 1>to this. I mean, we got to change our cultural

939
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:02.760
<v Speaker 1>perspective on how we use drugs and how we think

940
00:47:02.840 --> 00:47:06.320
<v Speaker 1>drugs are beneficial to us, right. I think they need

941
00:47:06.400 --> 00:47:09.880
<v Speaker 1>to stop letting big pharma advertise like that's got to stop.

942
00:47:10.159 --> 00:47:13.119
<v Speaker 1>That's got to stop. Advertisement is meant for you to

943
00:47:13.639 --> 00:47:15.599
<v Speaker 1>recognize a brand. And if you're at the point where

944
00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:19.079
<v Speaker 1>you recognize a prescription drug brand at that like every

945
00:47:19.159 --> 00:47:21.519
<v Speaker 1>day in your life for like you know, oh o zempa,

946
00:47:21.559 --> 00:47:22.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm just doing out there by the way. I'm not

947
00:47:22.840 --> 00:47:25.880
<v Speaker 1>talking bad about it, but just saying everybody knows it now, right,

948
00:47:26.079 --> 00:47:27.360
<v Speaker 1>So the first thing you think when you want to

949
00:47:27.360 --> 00:47:30.280
<v Speaker 1>lose weight is ozempic. That's exactly what marketing does. And

950
00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:32.639
<v Speaker 1>the fact that they're allowing big pharma to do that

951
00:47:32.719 --> 00:47:35.199
<v Speaker 1>in America is ridiculous. I don't think I don't think

952
00:47:35.239 --> 00:47:36.960
<v Speaker 1>any of the country allows that currently.

953
00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:40.440
<v Speaker 2>No, you know, it's it's funny when I my four

954
00:47:40.480 --> 00:47:42.400
<v Speaker 2>hour class, I do dive into a little bit of

955
00:47:42.760 --> 00:47:47.000
<v Speaker 2>the history of the pharmaceutical industry, and interestingly enough, it

956
00:47:47.079 --> 00:47:49.320
<v Speaker 2>actually goes back to a guy named Arthur Sackler. And

957
00:47:50.559 --> 00:47:53.559
<v Speaker 2>if you know that name Sackler, that's because Richard Sackler

958
00:47:53.719 --> 00:47:56.199
<v Speaker 2>was the head of Purdue, you know during the release

959
00:47:56.559 --> 00:47:58.800
<v Speaker 2>ninety six. But his uncle is a guy named Arthur,

960
00:47:58.880 --> 00:48:01.920
<v Speaker 2>and Arthur was a He was a doctor as well,

961
00:48:01.960 --> 00:48:07.440
<v Speaker 2>but he was actually an advertising quote unquote genius. In fact,

962
00:48:07.519 --> 00:48:09.559
<v Speaker 2>they say that he invented the wheel when it came

963
00:48:09.639 --> 00:48:11.960
<v Speaker 2>to modern medical advertising, and a lot of things that

964
00:48:12.119 --> 00:48:18.239
<v Speaker 2>he did back in the fifties are regulated today that

965
00:48:18.320 --> 00:48:21.159
<v Speaker 2>they can't do. I mean, he was uber aggressive, I

966
00:48:21.199 --> 00:48:24.480
<v Speaker 2>mean pharmaceutical reps. He actually is the guy that started it.

967
00:48:25.199 --> 00:48:27.000
<v Speaker 2>They called him detail men. So he was the first

968
00:48:27.039 --> 00:48:32.199
<v Speaker 2>guy that said, hey, we need to we can't target patients.

969
00:48:32.239 --> 00:48:34.760
<v Speaker 2>We can't target people because they're idiots. We need to

970
00:48:34.800 --> 00:48:37.039
<v Speaker 2>go out to the physicians and we need to keep

971
00:48:37.159 --> 00:48:40.079
<v Speaker 2>records on them, and we need to educate the physicians

972
00:48:40.119 --> 00:48:42.960
<v Speaker 2>that aren't prescribing enough, and we need to use the

973
00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:45.840
<v Speaker 2>ones that are and reward them and use them to

974
00:48:46.119 --> 00:48:49.239
<v Speaker 2>educate the ones that aren't prescribing enough. And he was

975
00:48:49.360 --> 00:48:52.360
<v Speaker 2>just very aggressive. And if you look at his history

976
00:48:53.119 --> 00:48:57.840
<v Speaker 2>and how successful he made the pharmaceutical industry. I mean Pfizer,

977
00:48:57.960 --> 00:49:00.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean Terrimizing that was released in nineteen fifty. He

978
00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:03.079
<v Speaker 2>made them a household name. This was forty thirty or

979
00:49:03.119 --> 00:49:05.599
<v Speaker 2>forty years before Viagra came out. I mean that's just

980
00:49:05.679 --> 00:49:09.039
<v Speaker 2>one example. A valume diazepam. I mean, he made them

981
00:49:09.280 --> 00:49:12.599
<v Speaker 2>the first pharmaceutical to make a billion dollars in sales.

982
00:49:12.679 --> 00:49:15.840
<v Speaker 2>That's crazy, billion dollars in sales. That's crazy, absolutely, And

983
00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:19.679
<v Speaker 2>it was very in your face aggressive advertising. And like

984
00:49:19.760 --> 00:49:23.119
<v Speaker 2>I said, it may not seem like it, but there

985
00:49:23.159 --> 00:49:26.400
<v Speaker 2>are a lot of restrictions on them. You know, I

986
00:49:26.519 --> 00:49:28.360
<v Speaker 2>think we both agree there probably needs to be more.

987
00:49:29.480 --> 00:49:31.840
<v Speaker 2>But a lot of the current restrictions are because of

988
00:49:31.960 --> 00:49:35.199
<v Speaker 2>some of the stuff that he invented. Uh So it's

989
00:49:35.239 --> 00:49:37.920
<v Speaker 2>and it's just fascinating because here's here's a Sackler and

990
00:49:38.000 --> 00:49:41.760
<v Speaker 2>then you look, you know, forty years later, his his nephew,

991
00:49:41.880 --> 00:49:45.119
<v Speaker 2>Richard Sackler, would would make them billionaires and then run

992
00:49:45.199 --> 00:49:45.960
<v Speaker 2>them into the ground.

993
00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:50.039
<v Speaker 1>That just that just speaks to the That just speaks

994
00:49:50.079 --> 00:49:51.960
<v Speaker 1>to how far they will go to make a dollar.

995
00:49:52.280 --> 00:49:55.440
<v Speaker 1>Because if they're if they're looking at their product that

996
00:49:55.719 --> 00:49:59.920
<v Speaker 1>that that can be addictive, for example, can be addictive,

997
00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:02.920
<v Speaker 1>and they know this, They know that certain drugs have

998
00:50:02.960 --> 00:50:07.119
<v Speaker 1>side effects, and they're knowingly advertising it in the ways

999
00:50:07.159 --> 00:50:09.840
<v Speaker 1>that they do. That just tells you what they really

1000
00:50:09.920 --> 00:50:12.079
<v Speaker 1>care about. Are they really caring about treating people and

1001
00:50:12.199 --> 00:50:15.599
<v Speaker 1>offering them pain management or are they just really looking

1002
00:50:15.639 --> 00:50:17.000
<v Speaker 1>for as much profit that they can make.

1003
00:50:18.360 --> 00:50:22.079
<v Speaker 2>I'd make an argument that at least with Purdue, they

1004
00:50:22.079 --> 00:50:24.119
<v Speaker 2>were it was about profit. I mean, we know that

1005
00:50:24.199 --> 00:50:27.280
<v Speaker 2>from a lot of internal documents, and I think you

1006
00:50:27.320 --> 00:50:29.280
<v Speaker 2>could make that argument with a lot of the companies.

1007
00:50:29.360 --> 00:50:32.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean, at least you could certainly a question we

1008
00:50:32.400 --> 00:50:35.159
<v Speaker 2>could ask. It's also around the food industry. You know,

1009
00:50:36.360 --> 00:50:38.239
<v Speaker 2>the Fielders that I actually did a show where I

1010
00:50:38.239 --> 00:50:41.840
<v Speaker 2>did deep dive on this and the ingredients that are

1011
00:50:41.880 --> 00:50:44.599
<v Speaker 2>using food here in America would never be using the EU.

1012
00:50:44.679 --> 00:50:47.880
<v Speaker 2>They're labeled as poisonous substances, but yet we're consuming them.

1013
00:50:48.239 --> 00:50:50.679
<v Speaker 2>It was about almost a three hour episode where I

1014
00:50:50.719 --> 00:50:54.000
<v Speaker 2>really dove into all this and it's ridiculous what we're

1015
00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:56.039
<v Speaker 2>allowed to use here in what the FDA says is

1016
00:50:56.360 --> 00:50:59.719
<v Speaker 2>suitable for consumption, that in the EU they wouldn't even touch,

1017
00:51:00.039 --> 00:51:02.639
<v Speaker 2>even touch even even the foods we have for example,

1018
00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:05.280
<v Speaker 2>like craft of st macaron and cheese. Yeah, if it's

1019
00:51:05.320 --> 00:51:07.119
<v Speaker 2>shipped to the EU or or let's say, even if

1020
00:51:07.159 --> 00:51:10.559
<v Speaker 2>it was to Italy, the cheese substance they use, the

1021
00:51:10.639 --> 00:51:14.599
<v Speaker 2>powdered cheese substance, is entirely different to those countries than

1022
00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:15.639
<v Speaker 2>what we're consuming.

1023
00:51:15.679 --> 00:51:18.199
<v Speaker 1>What's what's considered acceptable for us to have. So it's

1024
00:51:18.239 --> 00:51:20.320
<v Speaker 1>not like you said, it's not just the farm and industry.

1025
00:51:20.920 --> 00:51:25.960
<v Speaker 1>It's it's ridiculous that it's it's like money before health, right, money,

1026
00:51:26.039 --> 00:51:29.400
<v Speaker 1>money before looking out for the welfare of the actual people.

1027
00:51:29.960 --> 00:51:32.760
<v Speaker 2>It is. I was in I was in Germany last week.

1028
00:51:32.880 --> 00:51:36.880
<v Speaker 2>I I uh and I was I had some I

1029
00:51:36.960 --> 00:51:39.719
<v Speaker 2>had some French fries and I was eaten ketchup right,

1030
00:51:40.800 --> 00:51:43.280
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, why is this ketchup tastes like different?

1031
00:51:44.679 --> 00:51:47.039
<v Speaker 2>And and I realized it was.

1032
00:51:47.880 --> 00:51:50.239
<v Speaker 1>Like real, it was fresh, just tomatoes and maybe a

1033
00:51:50.280 --> 00:51:52.320
<v Speaker 1>little sugar. It wasn't some vinegar.

1034
00:51:52.440 --> 00:51:55.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, And you know, and I actually had this

1035
00:51:56.000 --> 00:51:59.599
<v Speaker 2>conversation with someone else very similar common It's conversation about

1036
00:51:59.679 --> 00:52:02.760
<v Speaker 2>like the food. I mean, you taste the difference, right,

1037
00:52:02.800 --> 00:52:04.360
<v Speaker 2>and you come back and you read our labels and

1038
00:52:05.320 --> 00:52:07.079
<v Speaker 2>and then like you said, none of this stuff would

1039
00:52:07.079 --> 00:52:10.039
<v Speaker 2>even be legal in some of those countries, and it

1040
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<v Speaker 2>was Yeah, at the end of the day, this is

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's all about.

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<v Speaker 1>Profits for the most fun about the food when youre

1043
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<v Speaker 1>talk about labels. Once once they said that every every

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<v Speaker 1>manufacturer had to actually list all the ingredients. I noticed

1045
00:52:21.719 --> 00:52:23.679
<v Speaker 1>that the labels got really tiny and I need a

1046
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<v Speaker 1>magnifying class to read it. They don't want Well, let's

1047
00:52:29.039 --> 00:52:34.639
<v Speaker 1>talk about your nonprofit the only two Milligrams inc. Let's

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00:52:34.679 --> 00:52:36.239
<v Speaker 1>talk about that and what you offer, and then how

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00:52:36.360 --> 00:52:39.960
<v Speaker 1>people can contact your company to procure your services.

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<v Speaker 2>So so I I'm the executive director. I started this

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00:52:45.239 --> 00:52:48.079
<v Speaker 2>nonprofit officially in early twenty twenty four when we got

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<v Speaker 2>IRS designation as a five oh one C three. Our

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<v Speaker 2>entire board of directors is retired DEA agents. And like

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<v Speaker 2>I said, O, our mission has been uh drug education,

1055
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<v Speaker 2>specifically illicit fentanyl, but we are expanding that and looking

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<v Speaker 2>at other ways that we can that we can uh

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<v Speaker 2>deal with with trends and things that are impacting our

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<v Speaker 2>communities because ultimately, our our goal is to is to

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<v Speaker 2>is to make our community safer and and uh so

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<v Speaker 2>we're looking at ways to to expand our reach and

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<v Speaker 2>and to get into other things other than just drug education. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>My website is at only two MG dot com, so

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<v Speaker 2>it's O N L Y and then just the number

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<v Speaker 2>two it's not spelled out, and then MG which stands

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<v Speaker 2>for Milligrams dot com. And you can you can learn

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<v Speaker 2>more about the presentations I do. My schedules on there.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, if you want my bio things like that,

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<v Speaker 2>uh uh you can you can contact me. My information

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00:53:47.960 --> 00:53:49.840
<v Speaker 2>is on there. If I don't get back to you

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<v Speaker 2>right away, it's because I'm flying or teaching, uh or

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<v Speaker 2>or I'm on a podcast. So right, so like this one,

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<v Speaker 2>that's right. Uh Uh, I travel throughout the US. Last

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00:54:02.000 --> 00:54:06.000
<v Speaker 2>year I did fifty four present main presentations in about

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<v Speaker 2>twenty states, so that's quite a bit. I self fund

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of what I did last year. I can't

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not a rich person. I can't can't continue to

1077
00:54:20.800 --> 00:54:22.559
<v Speaker 2>do that, but I but I don't want money to

1078
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<v Speaker 2>get in the way of this. So when an organization

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<v Speaker 2>calls me if they can't afford to fund my travel

1080
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<v Speaker 2>out there, and then I'll find a way somehow, and

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00:54:30.760 --> 00:54:35.000
<v Speaker 2>that's typically through my for profit organization, EGLE six Training.

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<v Speaker 2>I pretty much put all that money into into only

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<v Speaker 2>two MG because like I said, I don't want someone

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<v Speaker 2>to say, hey, we can't afford to have you out here,

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<v Speaker 2>and no, I mean I'll find a way to get

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<v Speaker 2>out there because this discussion is too important not to have.

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>And as you said earlier, man, the education is very

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<v Speaker 1>important in all this, and that's where it really starts.

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<v Speaker 2>It really is. And yeah, and you know when I

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<v Speaker 2>started this with actually law enforcement, because you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>I said, I navigated in that world for thirty years

1093
00:55:02.199 --> 00:55:05.400
<v Speaker 2>and I still work in that world. But now, I mean,

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00:55:05.480 --> 00:55:10.320
<v Speaker 2>these are wildly popular with just the public. I still

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<v Speaker 2>get usually specific sectors, you know, a lot of healthcare,

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00:55:13.599 --> 00:55:16.199
<v Speaker 2>a lot of education, a lot of people that are

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<v Speaker 2>in the treatment recovery, you know, a lot of law enforcement.

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<v Speaker 2>But I wish I could get more parents and just

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<v Speaker 2>general public. That's been a struggle. I'm not alone. When

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<v Speaker 2>I first started this, a friend of mine, retired agent

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<v Speaker 2>out out in California said, because if you get if

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<v Speaker 2>you get more than one percent of the of the

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<v Speaker 2>families in the room, than good luck, because it's just

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<v Speaker 2>not going to happen. And I remember when he first

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<v Speaker 2>said that, I'm like, come on now, you know, and

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00:55:45.360 --> 00:55:50.599
<v Speaker 2>and I had I had a specific presentation I was

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<v Speaker 2>doing just four families and I had six people show up. Wow,

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00:55:55.920 --> 00:55:58.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, out of several thousand people in this particular

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00:55:58.360 --> 00:56:02.159
<v Speaker 2>school that I was working with. So I experienced that firsthand.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean so, like I said, most of the folks

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<v Speaker 2>that come are you know, from those industries that I

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<v Speaker 2>talked about. But I would love to I'd love to

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<v Speaker 2>see more people just give a damn and really want

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<v Speaker 2>to educate themselves. And that's one of the things that

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<v Speaker 2>I try to tell people as well, is in all

1116
00:56:17.800 --> 00:56:22.480
<v Speaker 2>my presentations is is take this information, do some research.

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<v Speaker 2>Call me. I'll help you with that and be a

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<v Speaker 2>force multiplier, you know, take this information back to your homes,

1119
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<v Speaker 2>back to your your communities, your your rotary club, church, whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, let's let's let's have this discussion. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>we're we're losing three hundred people every single day in

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<v Speaker 2>this country to drugs. That's about one person every five

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<v Speaker 2>to six minutes. And we know that of the total

1124
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<v Speaker 2>numbers that we're losing about two thirds because of one drug, fentanyl.

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<v Speaker 2>And I can tell you, after thirty years in law enforcement,

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<v Speaker 2>I've never seen a drug more impactful. I really haven't.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, this has changed the drug landscape. And education

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<v Speaker 2>is such an important piece. And like I said something,

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<v Speaker 2>I've devoted this part of my life to doing and

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<v Speaker 2>I hope that that I can be a force multiplayer

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<v Speaker 2>and give people a foundation that they can take the

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00:57:11.639 --> 00:57:15.480
<v Speaker 2>information back and they can have these discussions. And at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the day, knowledge is power, and and that's.

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<v Speaker 1>What we have to do.

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<v Speaker 2>We have to make people more knowledgeable.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree, And I hope that people don't don't avoid

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<v Speaker 1>these sessions because they don't they don't want it to

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<v Speaker 1>be in their face that it's confirming what they already know. Yes,

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00:57:31.880 --> 00:57:35.079
<v Speaker 1>there is a problem. Yeah, that could be a case too.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, some people, some people don't want to They

1141
00:57:38.199 --> 00:57:40.079
<v Speaker 1>have an idea that there's a problem, but they really

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<v Speaker 1>don't want it confirmed.

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<v Speaker 2>I've had parents actually tell me out of sight, out

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00:57:45.440 --> 00:57:48.719
<v Speaker 2>of mind basically what I was saying, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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00:57:49.039 --> 00:57:50.960
<v Speaker 2>and I can. At first, I was like, you know,

1146
00:57:51.039 --> 00:57:53.320
<v Speaker 2>but now I just tell them. You realize that someone's

1147
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<v Speaker 2>going to have this discussion. I mean, well, if it's

1148
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<v Speaker 2>not you, it's you're the parent. If it's not you,

1149
00:57:58.360 --> 00:58:00.280
<v Speaker 2>then it's going to be social media. It's going to

1150
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<v Speaker 2>be a friend, it's going to be a drug trafficker.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone's going to have this discussion with your child, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>And it's just it. It makes me sad, it really does.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, here's an example. I won't say the school district,

1154
00:58:13.800 --> 00:58:15.800
<v Speaker 2>but I was invited to a school district that wanted

1155
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<v Speaker 2>to have one to provide different resources for parents, and

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00:58:19.480 --> 00:58:21.960
<v Speaker 2>they so it was drugs, it was teen pregnancy, it

1157
00:58:22.079 --> 00:58:26.440
<v Speaker 2>was nutrition, it was suicide, it was online predators. I mean,

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00:58:26.840 --> 00:58:29.800
<v Speaker 2>my goodness. They probably had ten experts in different fields

1159
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<v Speaker 2>come in and then they said, we get it. Parents work,

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<v Speaker 2>they're busy, we're going to do one on a weekend,

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00:58:35.320 --> 00:58:36.800
<v Speaker 2>and we're going to do one on a week night,

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00:58:37.599 --> 00:58:40.000
<v Speaker 2>and we're going to have ten experts and all these

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00:58:40.039 --> 00:58:42.440
<v Speaker 2>different fields come in two different times. And I was

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<v Speaker 2>the drug guy. You know how many folks had come

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<v Speaker 2>in for my class zero and it wasn't me. The

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00:58:49.559 --> 00:58:53.079
<v Speaker 2>other classes a lot of zeros. They had seventeen parents

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<v Speaker 2>show up total for the two different days total. This

1168
00:58:57.000 --> 00:59:01.079
<v Speaker 2>was a huge school district. Do you think when when, when,

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<v Speaker 2>when when daughter gets pregnant or something happens, who do

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<v Speaker 2>you think gets the blame? You know, well, you didn't

1171
00:59:06.239 --> 00:59:08.639
<v Speaker 2>do enough, you didn't do enough. No people got to

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<v Speaker 2>get involved, and and it just it's aggravating, it really is.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think they should make these this information like

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<v Speaker 1>a mandatory class like they do used to you years

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00:59:19.480 --> 00:59:21.719
<v Speaker 1>ago in school? Remember when I was going when I

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<v Speaker 1>was going to school, that there was a class that

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<v Speaker 1>you would have to attend to where they would address

1178
00:59:26.199 --> 00:59:31.159
<v Speaker 1>these these issues or it would literally be like a

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<v Speaker 1>rally for example, where the whole school, like it's during

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00:59:33.519 --> 00:59:35.000
<v Speaker 1>school time and you have to be there and they

1181
00:59:35.039 --> 00:59:37.599
<v Speaker 1>would get these presentations. Are they still allowing that? Are

1182
00:59:37.639 --> 00:59:38.199
<v Speaker 1>they still doing that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? And I love when they do. I was up

1184
00:59:40.480 --> 00:59:43.199
<v Speaker 2>in rural Missouri, in the middle of the state, on

1185
00:59:43.280 --> 00:59:45.000
<v Speaker 2>the very top of the state, I don't know, probably

1186
00:59:45.039 --> 00:59:47.320
<v Speaker 2>two or three weeks ago, and I got to address

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00:59:47.360 --> 00:59:49.239
<v Speaker 2>a couple of school districts and that was wonderful and

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00:59:49.320 --> 00:59:51.880
<v Speaker 2>I love when schools do that. We even had some

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<v Speaker 2>parents show up, which was even even better, right because

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00:59:54.519 --> 00:59:58.079
<v Speaker 2>they're supporting their children, they're supporting the school district. Some

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00:59:58.440 --> 01:00:01.639
<v Speaker 2>states have have think Oregon just came on and said

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to require that. Now you know, I know

1193
01:00:05.840 --> 01:00:07.480
<v Speaker 2>people are going to hear this and say, oh, no,

1194
01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:09.199
<v Speaker 2>read and write, that's what we need, And yeah, we

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01:00:09.280 --> 01:00:11.239
<v Speaker 2>should be teaching our kids to read and write. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>totally with you. But let me tell you, these are conversations,

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01:00:14.519 --> 01:00:17.559
<v Speaker 2>aren't We aren't having that we're not having in the home.

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<v Speaker 2>So if a school can can can bring someone in

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<v Speaker 2>like me or anyone who come in and give their

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01:00:22.639 --> 01:00:27.320
<v Speaker 2>children accurate information to help them successfully navigate some of

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01:00:27.360 --> 01:00:30.280
<v Speaker 2>these challenges are going to face, then why not? I mean,

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01:00:30.360 --> 01:00:32.880
<v Speaker 2>why can't we get behind this? And that's why I

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01:00:33.000 --> 01:00:36.440
<v Speaker 2>created my Shattering Dreams presentation. It was specifically for students,

1204
01:00:36.599 --> 01:00:39.599
<v Speaker 2>is to give them the information, and and and and

1205
01:00:40.480 --> 01:00:43.519
<v Speaker 2>again empower them to make better decisions when they're faced

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<v Speaker 2>with these.

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<v Speaker 1>Question and maybe maybe these sessions that for example, like

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<v Speaker 1>what you offer should be something that let's say district

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01:00:51.400 --> 01:00:53.599
<v Speaker 1>administration at a school should have. It should be like

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01:00:53.639 --> 01:00:57.760
<v Speaker 1>a mandatory. You know, hey, school starting again, summer's over,

1211
01:00:58.320 --> 01:01:00.679
<v Speaker 1>let's get you know, it's all part of their professional

1212
01:01:00.719 --> 01:01:04.840
<v Speaker 1>development training, right, they should integrate this as part of

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<v Speaker 1>that have have you Have you seen any district do that?

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<v Speaker 2>A few? Yeah, yeah, and there are I mean, I

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01:01:11.320 --> 01:01:14.320
<v Speaker 2>know some folks in the same space. You know, my

1216
01:01:14.480 --> 01:01:17.280
<v Speaker 2>space has been kind of a lot of adults, a

1217
01:01:17.320 --> 01:01:20.039
<v Speaker 2>lot of law enforcement. I know some some people that

1218
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<v Speaker 2>are specifically focused in that in that space for for students,

1219
01:01:24.000 --> 01:01:25.719
<v Speaker 2>and they've been pretty successful.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's that's a positive. Yeah, that's a positive. And

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<v Speaker 1>then when you when you do these big rallies what's

1222
01:01:31.800 --> 01:01:33.440
<v Speaker 1>out of school is do you get a positive reaction

1223
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<v Speaker 1>from from students there?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? And let me tell you it, it really drives me.

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<v Speaker 2>It really does. When you when you have a student

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<v Speaker 2>come up to you. I had a college student come

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<v Speaker 2>up to me at a different event that I was at,

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<v Speaker 2>probably a month after I did this particular session and

1229
01:01:53.519 --> 01:01:54.880
<v Speaker 2>he was like, hey, connect and I didn't even know

1230
01:01:54.920 --> 01:01:56.400
<v Speaker 2>who it was. He was like, can I tell you something.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like yeah, and he goes, I saw you speak,

1232
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<v Speaker 2>and you know, I've been really, you know, making some

1233
01:02:02.159 --> 01:02:04.199
<v Speaker 2>really bad decisions in my life, and you made me

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01:02:04.280 --> 01:02:07.320
<v Speaker 2>think about some things and and you know, thank you,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I mean, and I was almost in tears.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, just even thinking about it really just kind

1237
01:02:11.360 --> 01:02:12.920
<v Speaker 2>of moves me. And I can't tell you how many

1238
01:02:12.960 --> 01:02:14.840
<v Speaker 2>young people who have come up to me in middle

1239
01:02:14.880 --> 01:02:17.760
<v Speaker 2>school students and just hug you and say, you know,

1240
01:02:18.000 --> 01:02:21.320
<v Speaker 2>thank you, you know, because they're getting really impactful information

1241
01:02:22.400 --> 01:02:25.320
<v Speaker 2>and that no one's given given them before. And that

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01:02:25.880 --> 01:02:29.440
<v Speaker 2>I tell you that that has been the overwhelming response

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<v Speaker 2>I have had. I have had zero and I hope

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not jinxing myself here. I've had zero negative response

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<v Speaker 2>from talking to young people.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just that's good. Oh, it's been a wonderful experience.

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<v Speaker 1>We need we need to continue the education. We definitely

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<v Speaker 1>need to change how prescription drugs are handled in America period.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, the cartels are definitely a problem that we

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<v Speaker 1>need to get a hold of, especially if if they're

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<v Speaker 1>the ones who are responsible for I mean the majority

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<v Speaker 1>of all drugs that are that are being imported into

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<v Speaker 1>the US or smuggled into the US. It's it's crazy,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's not an easy issue to get a hold of.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know better than I. You were in

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement. This is what you did before we before

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<v Speaker 1>we go, though, I got to ask you, have you

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<v Speaker 1>seen a positive change at all in getting a handle

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<v Speaker 1>on the situation? I mean we talked a lot, got

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of history, But have you seen a positive

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<v Speaker 1>change or are we in the same place? Are we

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<v Speaker 1>taking steps backwards? Where do you see us at now?

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<v Speaker 2>I have seen a positive change. I mean we're not

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<v Speaker 2>We're nowhere out of this mess. I mean we are

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<v Speaker 2>an illicited fentanyl crisis. And you know, we're, like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>we're losing three hundred people a day and the majority

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<v Speaker 2>of these people are because of this one drug. We're

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<v Speaker 2>having this discussion more. I think that's a healthy thing,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. I think that's going to hopefully lead to

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<v Speaker 2>more solutions and more people that are that are you know,

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<v Speaker 2>hitting the ground and actually trying to work towards solutions.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I'm optimistic. I think we have seen some progress,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think we need have a long way to go.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, you know, one thing we didn't talk about

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<v Speaker 2>was the stigma. You know, how we how we treat

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<v Speaker 2>people that are struggling with substance use disorder, with addiction.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I think that's slowly getting better, but it's uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know that's going to be part of of of

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<v Speaker 2>of the solution is how do we deal with that

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<v Speaker 2>as well. Yeah, the bottom line is I've seen a

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's more positive, but it's been a slow movement.

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<v Speaker 2>How's that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, at least at least you're seeing it as a

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<v Speaker 1>positive as someone who's still involved. At least you're seeing

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<v Speaker 1>things start to go into go the right direction and

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<v Speaker 1>get a handle on all this. So well, I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's my time, your time for now. Doesn't mean we

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<v Speaker 1>won't connect again. I think we will. I'll stay in

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<v Speaker 1>touch with you. I'd like to have you back. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you, Brian. And again, tell everybody your websites and

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<v Speaker 1>I'll try to put all that our show notes as

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<v Speaker 1>well as when they listen to this day. Have the links.

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<v Speaker 1>So again you have only two milligrams inc. And then

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<v Speaker 1>of course you have the Eagle six training and uh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you very much. Want anything else you want to add.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I appreciate that your time and and happy to

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<v Speaker 2>reconnect any time. Uh. If someone wants to get in

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<v Speaker 2>touch with me, only two MG is the best way

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<v Speaker 2>to to read more about it or more about me

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<v Speaker 2>and and and contact me. And I'm happy to happy

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<v Speaker 2>to help in any capacity I can.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well, appreciate it, and uh, thanks for adjusting your

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<v Speaker 1>time for melgizing.

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<v Speaker 2>All good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, man, Hey, great conversation, a lot of good info.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you very much for being on the show. Appreciate it. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>World of Bladies listeners as always, thanks for listening, and

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