WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.040 --> 00:00:06.679 The views and opinions expressed by individuals on the following 2 00:00:06.719 --> 00:00:10.119 program do not necessarily reflect those of the network, Guys 3 00:00:10.119 --> 00:00:14.759 Guy Radio and its platforms. 4 00:00:16.320 --> 00:00:23.239 It's Guys Guy Radio. Here's your host, Robert Manny. 5 00:00:25.199 --> 00:00:28.600 Welcome to Guys Guys Radio. This is your host, Robert Manny, 6 00:00:28.719 --> 00:00:31.640 welcoming you to the show where men and women can 7 00:00:31.719 --> 00:00:35.079 be at their best and everyone wins. Guys Guys Radio, 8 00:00:35.560 --> 00:00:40.000 We're here to inform you, inspire you, empower you, and 9 00:00:40.119 --> 00:00:43.600 get you to think, feel, and who knows, maybe even 10 00:00:43.679 --> 00:00:48.119 act by virtue of the journeys, stories, experiences and insights 11 00:00:48.320 --> 00:00:50.600 of the guests I bring you each and every week 12 00:00:50.640 --> 00:00:53.039 to the show. Once again, this week is no exception. 13 00:00:53.119 --> 00:00:55.320 Today we're going to talk about kind of the different 14 00:00:55.320 --> 00:00:57.119 stages of aging. And I think this is a really 15 00:00:57.119 --> 00:01:01.719 good show for guys because our special guest is Kenneth Lakretz, PhD. 16 00:01:01.880 --> 00:01:05.480 He's written a really wonderful book called Remembering Self Seasons 17 00:01:05.519 --> 00:01:09.359 of the Soul Rediscovered through Mystical Experience and depth Psychology. 18 00:01:09.480 --> 00:01:12.000 It's really about how to how to really go back 19 00:01:12.040 --> 00:01:16.480 and peel the layers away and learn and rediscover who 20 00:01:16.519 --> 00:01:19.239 you really are. And I think that's important, particularly for us, 21 00:01:19.280 --> 00:01:22.239 for us boomer guys out there, because throughout our lives, 22 00:01:22.239 --> 00:01:24.719 we're kind of told by the cultural narrative, well, you're 23 00:01:24.760 --> 00:01:26.640 this age and here's your role. And you're that age 24 00:01:26.640 --> 00:01:29.239 and here's your role, and eventually you're too old, get 25 00:01:29.239 --> 00:01:30.840 out of the way. Well it doesn't have to be 26 00:01:30.920 --> 00:01:34.480 that way. And I'm sure you or you have friends, 27 00:01:34.480 --> 00:01:36.359 if you are a boomer, know a lot of different 28 00:01:36.920 --> 00:01:41.159 folks who really define themselves via their job and their wallet. 29 00:01:40.840 --> 00:01:41.400 If you will. 30 00:01:41.760 --> 00:01:43.480 And it gets to a certain point where they get 31 00:01:43.480 --> 00:01:45.519 a little bit concerned because they don't want to they 32 00:01:45.519 --> 00:01:47.280 don't want to leave that work they've done. And I 33 00:01:47.319 --> 00:01:50.120 have friends who are in their seventies and they put 34 00:01:50.120 --> 00:01:52.159 on the tie and sport coat and they go to 35 00:01:52.200 --> 00:01:55.120 work every day, and you know, they enjoy it, but 36 00:01:55.200 --> 00:02:00.159 also maybe maybe they're wondering what's next after this and 37 00:02:00.200 --> 00:02:02.599 they haven't really come to terms with their identity. So 38 00:02:02.599 --> 00:02:04.519 we're going to get into that and a lot more. 39 00:02:04.640 --> 00:02:07.760 It's really like, you know, what if midlife isn't a crisis, 40 00:02:07.760 --> 00:02:10.159 but it's a spiritual awakening, And I think that can 41 00:02:10.240 --> 00:02:13.039 happen for anybody at any time. But we're going to 42 00:02:13.080 --> 00:02:16.400 get into how to manage the life stages and how 43 00:02:16.439 --> 00:02:20.599 to kind of transcend from aging to eldering and really 44 00:02:20.639 --> 00:02:22.680 being a beacon of light to help other people. So 45 00:02:22.719 --> 00:02:24.840 I think you're going to enjoy my conversation with doctor 46 00:02:24.919 --> 00:02:28.240 Ken Lacret's right here on Guys Guys Radio. 47 00:02:28.800 --> 00:02:30.400 It's Guys Guy Radio. 48 00:02:32.039 --> 00:02:35.120 Okay, guys guys Radio. It is the interview portion of 49 00:02:35.120 --> 00:02:36.960 our show. And hey, you know, guys, when we talk 50 00:02:37.000 --> 00:02:43.000 about growth, we usually focus on achievement, career, relationships, money, status. 51 00:02:43.039 --> 00:02:46.240 But what happens when life asks us to go deeper? 52 00:02:46.680 --> 00:02:50.639 What happens when the soul starts calling louder than the ego? 53 00:02:51.280 --> 00:02:54.400 Sometimes that's a good thing. My guest tonight is clinical psychologist, 54 00:02:54.759 --> 00:03:00.919 Youngian analyst and author Kenneth R. Lacret's, PhD, whose powerful 55 00:03:00.960 --> 00:03:05.599 new book Remembering Self Guidance for the Labyrinth of Life 56 00:03:05.919 --> 00:03:11.000 and Beyond explores a psychological and spiritual journey through midlife elderhood. 57 00:03:11.400 --> 00:03:15.039 And we'll get into that identity, attachment, soul, evolution, and 58 00:03:15.080 --> 00:03:18.199 what it really means to become whole. That's a big task, 59 00:03:18.240 --> 00:03:20.080 but we're going to get into it. We're going to 60 00:03:20.159 --> 00:03:23.960 talk about mind, body, spirit, young, shadow work, the Four 61 00:03:24.039 --> 00:03:26.919 Seasons of Life, and the mysterious Guide at the center 62 00:03:26.960 --> 00:03:30.599 of the book, sheima. So, welcome to guys, Guys radio 63 00:03:30.759 --> 00:03:33.039 doctor Kenneth Lakritz, PhD. 64 00:03:33.280 --> 00:03:36.639 How are you, doctor, I'm doing well this morning. Thank 65 00:03:36.639 --> 00:03:38.000 you for inviting me on the show. 66 00:03:38.319 --> 00:03:42.560 Fantastic. So why do you think, doctor, so many successful 67 00:03:42.599 --> 00:03:48.319 people reach midlife feeling disconnected, restless, or spiritually emptied despite 68 00:03:48.360 --> 00:03:50.400 having it all. You know a lot of guys, particularly 69 00:03:51.000 --> 00:03:54.919 in the boomer airs, and I would, I would take 70 00:03:54.960 --> 00:03:58.199 a chance and say, you're probably just about in the 71 00:03:58.199 --> 00:04:00.919 boomer age. I'm a boomer and I know so many 72 00:04:01.120 --> 00:04:05.639 of my friends. They you know, their their identity is 73 00:04:05.759 --> 00:04:09.039 tethered to their position. A lot of them won't retire. 74 00:04:09.120 --> 00:04:11.159 They don't need the money. They like to put the 75 00:04:11.240 --> 00:04:13.680 tie on and get on the train and go to work, 76 00:04:14.039 --> 00:04:17.720 and they just won't let it go. And I think 77 00:04:17.759 --> 00:04:21.199 a lot of it's about power and identity and money 78 00:04:21.279 --> 00:04:23.600 and comfort and fear and all of the rest. But 79 00:04:23.920 --> 00:04:27.199 you're the you're this here, the young in psychoanalyst here. 80 00:04:27.279 --> 00:04:28.759 So tell us what we need to know. 81 00:04:29.680 --> 00:04:31.240 Well, you know what I'm going to do is I'm 82 00:04:31.240 --> 00:04:34.360 going to begin with a history lesson, okay, because I 83 00:04:34.360 --> 00:04:38.959 think that we can't fully understand where we are without 84 00:04:39.040 --> 00:04:44.519 understanding history and what history has brought us to, particularly 85 00:04:44.560 --> 00:04:46.959 in the in the modern era, and we're kind of 86 00:04:46.959 --> 00:04:51.560 in a postmodernist time. Is this brought us into a 87 00:04:51.600 --> 00:04:55.120 peak differentiation of the ego from the ground of self 88 00:04:55.319 --> 00:04:58.959 or from the ground of being. And you could say, 89 00:04:59.199 --> 00:05:02.600 if you looked at it pictorially, that the ego is 90 00:05:02.680 --> 00:05:05.800 kind of a high noon in terms of its separation 91 00:05:06.120 --> 00:05:09.319 from the self. Now, what happens when it reaches high 92 00:05:09.399 --> 00:05:13.720 noon is we find ourselves in a period of alienation 93 00:05:14.360 --> 00:05:18.279 from the ground of who we are, and symptoms start 94 00:05:18.360 --> 00:05:22.639 to emerge at that point, which starts to take us 95 00:05:22.680 --> 00:05:26.600 into midlife. But what happens is people find themselves so 96 00:05:26.720 --> 00:05:30.120 identified with the ego because they think that that's who 97 00:05:30.160 --> 00:05:34.040 they are. They think that that's all there is, that 98 00:05:34.079 --> 00:05:38.680 they're very resistant to make these kinds of shifts that 99 00:05:38.720 --> 00:05:42.120 we think are appropriate second half of life shifts. But 100 00:05:42.160 --> 00:05:45.360 why would we make a shift like that if we 101 00:05:45.439 --> 00:05:47.800 think this is who we are and the ground of 102 00:05:47.839 --> 00:05:51.360 being is so silent, it is so distant, it's so 103 00:05:51.519 --> 00:05:56.720 detached that we in the modern era believe that there's 104 00:05:56.839 --> 00:05:59.160 nothing to shift into. 105 00:06:00.920 --> 00:06:06.839 Amazing. So, you know, young who you studied extensively, spoke 106 00:06:06.839 --> 00:06:11.680 about individuation, the process of becoming whole. How does your 107 00:06:11.720 --> 00:06:16.079 book Remembering Self expand upon or personalize that concept. 108 00:06:17.879 --> 00:06:20.040 What I try to do in the book is bring 109 00:06:20.079 --> 00:06:23.399 it into a story, because I think that a story 110 00:06:23.560 --> 00:06:29.399 particularly and this is about a figure named Samah who 111 00:06:29.480 --> 00:06:31.519 is at the end of his life. He's ninety three 112 00:06:31.639 --> 00:06:35.120 years old and he's reviewing his life, and he's able 113 00:06:35.240 --> 00:06:40.519 to see from a transcendent lens and also from a 114 00:06:40.639 --> 00:06:44.439 very imminent personal lens, and he's able to trace his 115 00:06:44.600 --> 00:06:48.480 life back. Now, what we see when we trace our 116 00:06:48.519 --> 00:06:51.360 lives back is we see the growth of the ego, 117 00:06:52.399 --> 00:06:56.199 which is an unfolding and a differentiating process. It is 118 00:06:56.240 --> 00:07:00.279 not about wholeness per se. It's about leaving a gun 119 00:07:00.560 --> 00:07:07.519 of unconscious, undifferentiated wholeness. It's about developing an articulated personality 120 00:07:08.480 --> 00:07:11.959 that functions in the human matrix of life. You know, 121 00:07:12.040 --> 00:07:17.079 that builds attachments to their lives, attachments to their identity. 122 00:07:18.680 --> 00:07:22.000 That becomes a student and a son or a daughter, 123 00:07:23.040 --> 00:07:26.360 eventually an adult and someone who can function in the 124 00:07:26.360 --> 00:07:30.319 adult world. Hopefully and that's the whole idea of building 125 00:07:30.959 --> 00:07:33.959 a solid vessel of egos that we can actually function 126 00:07:34.079 --> 00:07:36.839 in a world and build a structure in that world 127 00:07:36.879 --> 00:07:41.319 through career and marriage and family that can hold the 128 00:07:42.480 --> 00:07:47.480 depth of the task of adulthood. Now through the story, 129 00:07:47.680 --> 00:07:50.120 what we find is that there is also there's a 130 00:07:50.160 --> 00:07:54.040 phase of midlife, and we go through many transitional phases 131 00:07:54.240 --> 00:07:58.040 throughout life, but there's a phase of midlife in which 132 00:07:58.120 --> 00:08:03.040 this structure begins to collapse. And when the structure collapses, 133 00:08:03.800 --> 00:08:07.439 we begin searching in the kind of the dry soil 134 00:08:07.959 --> 00:08:12.360 for some new meaning. But it's very difficult to find 135 00:08:12.560 --> 00:08:15.079 at the level of ego, because the true source of 136 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:18.319 meaning is the connection to the ground of being that 137 00:08:18.360 --> 00:08:21.560 we have spent our entire first half of life leaving 138 00:08:21.720 --> 00:08:26.759 correct And so we get to that point and we 139 00:08:26.839 --> 00:08:30.199 go through what the alchemists call it's a solvent phase 140 00:08:30.319 --> 00:08:35.759 or a disillusion phase. Not disillusion, but disillusion, which means 141 00:08:35.799 --> 00:08:39.000 for things to kind of begin to dissolve and loosen up, 142 00:08:40.120 --> 00:08:44.960 and we start to get glimpses at what's underneath and 143 00:08:44.559 --> 00:08:48.360 what we move from a what I think of as 144 00:08:48.399 --> 00:08:52.279 a descending phase, which is we're descending into the body 145 00:08:52.440 --> 00:08:58.679 into the life, incarnating fully into the human identity. And 146 00:08:58.720 --> 00:09:02.799 then what happens is wet shifting into what some believe 147 00:09:02.919 --> 00:09:07.279 is an ascension phase. And this ascension phase is emergence 148 00:09:07.440 --> 00:09:12.080 of the ground. It's emergence of the self. Now, when 149 00:09:12.080 --> 00:09:16.240 the self begins to emerge and wants to begin to 150 00:09:17.679 --> 00:09:23.679 have a central role in identity and in life, there 151 00:09:23.720 --> 00:09:26.840 has to be an integrative process, and some would call 152 00:09:26.879 --> 00:09:31.200 it reintegration. Okay, and this is what young talk a 153 00:09:31.240 --> 00:09:35.879 great deal about. An individuation is individuation means to be undivided. 154 00:09:36.879 --> 00:09:39.480 But what happens is we spend the first half of 155 00:09:39.480 --> 00:09:44.759 our life dividing. Okay, we divide into many dimensions of 156 00:09:44.799 --> 00:09:52.720 who we are. And through this dividing process, we actually 157 00:09:53.399 --> 00:09:58.519 become so alienated from self for a lot of reasons, 158 00:09:58.559 --> 00:10:02.879 because the identity can hold everything. And so what we're 159 00:10:02.879 --> 00:10:05.720 doing in the second half of life is we're beginning 160 00:10:05.720 --> 00:10:10.159 to recollect, not just memory recollection, that's part of it, 161 00:10:10.679 --> 00:10:13.960 and that's why the remembering title is there. But we 162 00:10:14.039 --> 00:10:18.120 start to remember and we start to recollect all of 163 00:10:18.159 --> 00:10:21.559 the dimensions and pieces and parts of self that have 164 00:10:21.679 --> 00:10:25.759 been split off and abandoned and we start to move 165 00:10:25.879 --> 00:10:30.799 toward an undivided state, okay, which is what you would 166 00:10:30.799 --> 00:10:33.600 many talk about is wholeness, and that's what individuation is. 167 00:10:33.639 --> 00:10:36.440 It means to be undivided. Okay. 168 00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:39.799 My special guest on this week's Guys Guys Radio, doctor 169 00:10:39.879 --> 00:10:42.159 Kenneth R. Lacret's PhD. 170 00:10:42.360 --> 00:10:42.720 The book. 171 00:10:42.759 --> 00:10:45.080 I'm holding it up right here for your YouTube and 172 00:10:45.200 --> 00:10:49.159 rumble viewers, remembering self Seasons of the Soul Rediscovered through 173 00:10:49.200 --> 00:10:56.039 mystical experience and depth psychology. So this process and path 174 00:10:56.080 --> 00:10:59.960 that you're describing, doctor, is this something that is specif 175 00:11:00.279 --> 00:11:04.080 to our Western culture or is this a universal concept? 176 00:11:05.320 --> 00:11:09.639 You know, it's definitely a universal concept because what we 177 00:11:09.639 --> 00:11:13.799 we if you look collectively throughout history and you know, 178 00:11:13.879 --> 00:11:19.159 independent of geography, what we saw during the period of 179 00:11:19.600 --> 00:11:25.559 eight hundred BC to about five hundred you know AD, 180 00:11:26.279 --> 00:11:29.080 is we saw what we call the first axial Age. 181 00:11:29.720 --> 00:11:32.519 And the first Axial Age happened everywhere in the known 182 00:11:32.559 --> 00:11:36.559 world at once. It was a very mysterious process. It's 183 00:11:36.559 --> 00:11:40.200 when philosophy and religion started to emerge. And this was 184 00:11:40.240 --> 00:11:44.799 the first step in the differentiation of the ego and 185 00:11:44.840 --> 00:11:46.679 the kind of the birth of the ego from the 186 00:11:46.720 --> 00:11:50.759 self where it began to start. We began reflecting on ourselves. 187 00:11:50.799 --> 00:11:53.720 So there was actually two dimensions. There's the ground of 188 00:11:53.759 --> 00:11:57.320 being and there's the reflecting ego, which is an extension 189 00:11:57.320 --> 00:11:59.639 of this ground of being, was born from this ground 190 00:11:59.679 --> 00:12:02.759 to be, and it's what some would call an organ 191 00:12:02.759 --> 00:12:07.639 of the psyche and so being the first stage. What 192 00:12:07.720 --> 00:12:13.639 we've seen throughout Western civilization in particular, is we've seen 193 00:12:13.840 --> 00:12:19.480 constant differentiation up until the period of about nineteen hundred, 194 00:12:20.320 --> 00:12:24.679 where collectively we were going through the same process of 195 00:12:24.679 --> 00:12:27.279 this differentiation that we now go through in the first 196 00:12:27.320 --> 00:12:32.120 half of life. Okay, so this was happening everywhere, all 197 00:12:32.159 --> 00:12:38.720 at once, and so different cultures looked at this differentiation 198 00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:42.399 and this separation from unity differently. They had different names 199 00:12:42.399 --> 00:12:46.120 for it, they had different processes. But I think that 200 00:12:46.240 --> 00:12:52.679 Eyung and the Western you know, movement of psychology, which 201 00:12:52.799 --> 00:12:56.960 really began during the nineteen hundreds and the twentieth century, 202 00:12:57.840 --> 00:13:01.440 was I think, you know, attempt to make our way 203 00:13:01.480 --> 00:13:05.720 back through through the consulting room, you know, through the clinic, 204 00:13:06.639 --> 00:13:09.919 through the ground of who we are. Now. Other religions 205 00:13:10.320 --> 00:13:13.320 have done that through Buddhism, has done that through meditation, 206 00:13:15.240 --> 00:13:18.480 other religions have had many different ways yoga, the yoga 207 00:13:18.600 --> 00:13:21.960 tradition had different their way of making their way back 208 00:13:21.960 --> 00:13:25.159 to the ground of being. In the West, we have 209 00:13:26.320 --> 00:13:28.799 looked at it from from kind of a psychiatric and 210 00:13:28.840 --> 00:13:32.039 psychological point of view, where we see it as a 211 00:13:32.039 --> 00:13:35.600 clinical process to make our way back to this unity. 212 00:13:36.320 --> 00:13:39.919 So it sounds like, you know, since all the cultures 213 00:13:39.919 --> 00:13:44.039 go through the same thing, and from from my perspective, 214 00:13:44.159 --> 00:13:47.720 we're given roles, We're given a narrative by our culture, 215 00:13:47.919 --> 00:13:50.320 which basically is as kind of you describe, you're a 216 00:13:50.320 --> 00:13:52.759 student at a certain age and then you're the worker 217 00:13:52.799 --> 00:13:55.960 and you're learning things, and that creates some type of 218 00:13:56.039 --> 00:13:59.360 ego comfort for us. That vessel starts to get filled up. 219 00:14:00.399 --> 00:14:03.679 But then it can become too much because we're relying 220 00:14:03.799 --> 00:14:08.320 on the narrative to define who we are. There must 221 00:14:08.360 --> 00:14:12.279 be a balance there that we can find. So instead 222 00:14:12.279 --> 00:14:15.639 of waiting until you're eldering, if you will, to figure 223 00:14:15.679 --> 00:14:19.000 all of this out or having that life changing incident happen, 224 00:14:19.159 --> 00:14:21.919 that you start to look at things differently. What can 225 00:14:22.480 --> 00:14:26.759 people do on their path so they don't fall victim 226 00:14:26.799 --> 00:14:30.919 and quotes to the narrative, And can be who they 227 00:14:31.120 --> 00:14:34.919 want to be yet kind of blend in with the culture. 228 00:14:36.279 --> 00:14:40.600 That's a beautiful question because when you think about balance, 229 00:14:42.679 --> 00:14:45.879 in some ways you have to defer to the psyche 230 00:14:46.919 --> 00:14:49.799 and how it provides that balance. You know, we could say, 231 00:14:49.960 --> 00:14:54.399 g I want that balance. Well, what happens is during 232 00:14:54.399 --> 00:14:58.840 the midlife process and transition. You know, the psyche is 233 00:14:58.840 --> 00:15:02.399 trying to restore balance. And what it does is as 234 00:15:02.440 --> 00:15:05.960 the self naturally starts emerging or I should say re 235 00:15:06.080 --> 00:15:11.840 emerging consciously. Then what happens is if the identity or 236 00:15:11.879 --> 00:15:16.159 the ego identity is too rigid, it presents itself every 237 00:15:16.360 --> 00:15:19.919 effort for the psyche to reconnect again. You know, we're 238 00:15:19.919 --> 00:15:24.360 talking about recollection, We're talking about reconnection. It presents itself 239 00:15:24.399 --> 00:15:29.559 in modern day as symptoms. So during Freud's era, there 240 00:15:29.559 --> 00:15:34.000 are particular types of symptoms that were presented. Today we 241 00:15:34.039 --> 00:15:38.279 see other kinds of symptoms. Everybody has anxiety, everybody has depression. 242 00:15:39.159 --> 00:15:43.600 You know, everybody's diagnosing themselves. But basically, what these symptoms 243 00:15:43.679 --> 00:15:49.440 are is the psyche's attempt to communicate to the you know, 244 00:15:49.519 --> 00:15:53.440 the egoic identity that there is something, there's a need 245 00:15:53.519 --> 00:15:59.519 for reconnection. And so what happens is people are oftentimes 246 00:15:59.559 --> 00:16:03.799 overwhelm home by these symptoms. They come in. If they're ignored, 247 00:16:03.879 --> 00:16:07.360 they present themselves physically after a while. This is what 248 00:16:07.399 --> 00:16:11.960 Freud called symptom compromises. In other words, what happened is, 249 00:16:12.039 --> 00:16:15.759 rather than coming up in direct awareness, it makes a 250 00:16:15.799 --> 00:16:20.879 compromise and it presents maybe as a chronic illness. And 251 00:16:20.960 --> 00:16:25.120 so we look at these symptoms, and you know, modern 252 00:16:25.200 --> 00:16:34.600 day medicine psychology oftentimes interprets these symptoms very concretely, and 253 00:16:34.639 --> 00:16:38.279 they try to address them. They try to ameliorate the symptoms. 254 00:16:38.360 --> 00:16:42.039 They try to treat the symptoms rather than understanding I 255 00:16:42.039 --> 00:16:45.559 think what Young understood, and I think what many mystics understand, 256 00:16:46.080 --> 00:16:50.279 which is this is the self's process of emergence and 257 00:16:50.440 --> 00:16:54.000 communication from a deeper layer to the psyche that maybe 258 00:16:54.039 --> 00:16:59.440 we don't understand very well, and it is attempting to 259 00:16:59.639 --> 00:17:04.200 integra r and to expand into consciousness. And if we 260 00:17:04.279 --> 00:17:09.400 don't have methodologies to midwife this expansion. In this integration, 261 00:17:10.279 --> 00:17:13.759 what happens is it stays very much at the symptomatic level. 262 00:17:14.279 --> 00:17:19.839 It doesn't really begin to manifest as conscious change and transformation. 263 00:17:21.039 --> 00:17:24.839 So how can we help the next generations coming up, 264 00:17:24.920 --> 00:17:28.640 so they don't have to mirror the same path and 265 00:17:28.680 --> 00:17:31.680 the problems along the path, the challenges. Is there a 266 00:17:31.680 --> 00:17:35.319 way to kind of work around these things? Can we 267 00:17:35.599 --> 00:17:40.000 teach the kids today not to fall victim to you know, 268 00:17:40.039 --> 00:17:41.920 they need, they need to be part of the culture. 269 00:17:42.000 --> 00:17:44.480 But you know, there's a little saying like, you watch 270 00:17:44.559 --> 00:17:46.920 too much news. If you don't watch the news, you're uninformed. 271 00:17:46.920 --> 00:17:49.200 If you watch the news, you're misinformed. So how do 272 00:17:49.440 --> 00:17:52.400 how do we teach our young people to be able 273 00:17:52.440 --> 00:17:54.400 to come up in a way that's different than what 274 00:17:54.480 --> 00:17:57.039 we didn't be able to kind of identify who they 275 00:17:57.079 --> 00:18:00.160 are and what's important at an earlier stage versus of 276 00:18:00.200 --> 00:18:02.720 the boomers. Now some of them don't don't even get 277 00:18:02.759 --> 00:18:06.000 it now because they're still I mean, listen, some people 278 00:18:06.039 --> 00:18:09.640 can still enjoy working their traditional corporate jobs in their seventies. 279 00:18:09.759 --> 00:18:12.960 They like to do that. That's fine, But it seems 280 00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:14.559 to be more than that. It seems to be a 281 00:18:14.559 --> 00:18:15.519 self identifier. 282 00:18:16.480 --> 00:18:19.240 Well, do you mind if I go deeper than the question? 283 00:18:19.599 --> 00:18:19.960 Sure? 284 00:18:20.319 --> 00:18:21.920 Is that? Okay? Yeah? Absolutely? 285 00:18:21.960 --> 00:18:22.079 So? 286 00:18:22.440 --> 00:18:26.079 You know we are we're entering what some would call 287 00:18:26.200 --> 00:18:29.880 a second axial age. Okay, the first axial Age was 288 00:18:30.119 --> 00:18:34.000 twenty five hundred years ago. We're actually entering the second 289 00:18:34.000 --> 00:18:39.359 Axial Age. And what this is is it's an ascension phase, okay, 290 00:18:39.400 --> 00:18:43.920 what we're talking about with emergence, and so it requires 291 00:18:44.039 --> 00:18:46.799 a different model, a different way of thinking. And so 292 00:18:48.079 --> 00:18:50.480 what I would say about this about this time is 293 00:18:50.519 --> 00:18:55.599 it's a little bit like changing you know, Copernicus's view 294 00:18:56.519 --> 00:19:00.880 that you know, the Sun revolved around the Earth, you know, 295 00:19:00.920 --> 00:19:04.400 in the Galileo took forward, you know, and shifting the 296 00:19:05.200 --> 00:19:09.759 heliocentric view. And I think in some ways we have 297 00:19:09.839 --> 00:19:14.599 a kind of an egocentric view psychology, you know, psychology 298 00:19:14.640 --> 00:19:17.200 has been you know, it's it's starts at the ego 299 00:19:17.480 --> 00:19:20.119 and it works down. So it's we we begin there. 300 00:19:21.960 --> 00:19:26.400 We we need a view that's more self centric, okay. 301 00:19:26.799 --> 00:19:30.519 And so I think the axual the second axial age 302 00:19:31.160 --> 00:19:34.799 is bringing us into a you know, kind of a 303 00:19:34.880 --> 00:19:37.640 new myth you know, which you don't called the myth 304 00:19:37.720 --> 00:19:44.480 of individuation, which is a more self involved view. And 305 00:19:44.640 --> 00:19:49.119 that our process is is not just to support the ego. 306 00:19:49.240 --> 00:19:52.640 It's not just to continue to do what we can 307 00:19:52.759 --> 00:19:57.920 to you know, to augment our coping with with many 308 00:19:58.160 --> 00:20:02.119 you know, toxic conditions that we're in. But to actually 309 00:20:02.160 --> 00:20:07.400 begin to use technologies they connect us directly with self 310 00:20:07.799 --> 00:20:12.039 and nurture, encourage and midwife this integration. And there's a 311 00:20:12.079 --> 00:20:14.920 lot that's going on in that regard. But again it 312 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:17.920 requires a new model, a new kind of psychology, and 313 00:20:17.960 --> 00:20:20.359 a new kind of thinking. And so I think we're 314 00:20:20.359 --> 00:20:24.319 even going beyond the Jungian thinking. You know, we've we've 315 00:20:24.359 --> 00:20:32.359 had excuse me, we've seen trans personal psychology emerge, which 316 00:20:32.440 --> 00:20:37.200 goes even further beyond young into what some people call 317 00:20:37.279 --> 00:20:46.720 the unitive dimension. We see integrative or psychedelic integrated psychotherapy 318 00:20:47.799 --> 00:20:51.759 that's emerging is a very very powerful force in both 319 00:20:51.920 --> 00:20:56.279 both healing, awakening and therapy. And within the frame of 320 00:20:56.759 --> 00:21:01.319 what some people would call depth psychotherapy, we're also seeing, 321 00:21:03.160 --> 00:21:06.839 you know, what some would call, you know, quantum approaches, 322 00:21:06.880 --> 00:21:13.039 because there are many that believe that the self or 323 00:21:13.119 --> 00:21:18.440 the unitary dimension is actually a quantum dimension. It operates 324 00:21:18.599 --> 00:21:21.759 on a very different physics than the ego, you know, 325 00:21:21.839 --> 00:21:24.880 I mean, from my point of view, the ego and 326 00:21:24.920 --> 00:21:27.200 the way we think about it operates much more from 327 00:21:27.200 --> 00:21:31.480 the old Newtonian model, which is a deterministic, very linear model, 328 00:21:32.200 --> 00:21:34.400 as you move into the union model. And this is 329 00:21:34.400 --> 00:21:38.200 something that your viewers may find very interesting is that 330 00:21:38.279 --> 00:21:43.720 Jung was actually a contemporary of Einstein and Wolfgang Pauli, 331 00:21:44.880 --> 00:21:47.880 and he used to have dinners with Einstein, and this 332 00:21:48.079 --> 00:21:51.839 was between two thousand or nineteen hundred and eight and 333 00:21:52.039 --> 00:21:54.920 nineteen hundred and twelve, and they would talk a great 334 00:21:54.920 --> 00:21:58.119 deal about the theory of relativity and its relationship to 335 00:21:58.160 --> 00:22:03.119 what he called synchronicity. And synchronicity from the Jungian view, 336 00:22:04.160 --> 00:22:09.799 is really looking at the causal relationship, but he called 337 00:22:09.839 --> 00:22:15.400 it a causal, not causal, the relationship between consciousness and matter. 338 00:22:15.839 --> 00:22:18.480 And this is what the physicists are talking about with 339 00:22:18.559 --> 00:22:24.240 quantum entanglement at this point. So you're seeing quantum therapies, 340 00:22:25.119 --> 00:22:30.880 you know, the regression hypnotherapies that are connecting people on 341 00:22:31.039 --> 00:22:34.359 deep levels with this quantum field. You know, it's very 342 00:22:34.400 --> 00:22:39.400 similar to the psychedelic therapies. There's energy, body work. There's 343 00:22:39.440 --> 00:22:42.960 a lot of different approaches that are coming into the 344 00:22:43.000 --> 00:22:48.160 clinical field that I use very integratively in my practice. 345 00:22:48.240 --> 00:22:51.359 I have a village of practitioners that I bring in 346 00:22:51.960 --> 00:22:55.960 to assist me in opening up this quantum field and 347 00:22:56.000 --> 00:23:00.000 then helping me to do the integration in a psychotherapeutic process. 348 00:23:00.759 --> 00:23:03.480 So it's a different model of thinking. 349 00:23:04.400 --> 00:23:07.559 That's fantastic. Okay, my special guest once again, doctor Kenneth 350 00:23:07.640 --> 00:23:10.920 Lackritz the book Remembering Self. So in the book you 351 00:23:11.000 --> 00:23:18.559 blend spirituality, psychology, mythology, and personal development. Why was important 352 00:23:18.599 --> 00:23:20.039 to kind of bridge all those. 353 00:23:19.839 --> 00:23:25.799 Worlds because all of those worlds are the psyche. You know, 354 00:23:25.920 --> 00:23:29.640 I think what we've done is we've artificially separated them 355 00:23:30.200 --> 00:23:35.960 into metaphysics, and you know, in physics and psychology and 356 00:23:36.440 --> 00:23:41.480 metapsychology and spiritual psychology, they're not separate. They are just 357 00:23:41.559 --> 00:23:45.799 different fields of consciousness. And one of the great unions, 358 00:23:46.240 --> 00:23:50.440 Eric Neuman, who was a protegee of Ewing's, looked at 359 00:23:50.440 --> 00:23:55.880 the psyche as encompassing three basic fields. And one field 360 00:23:55.960 --> 00:24:00.200 is the physical reality field, the other the archetypal field, 361 00:24:00.319 --> 00:24:05.079 and the third the unitary reality field. Now what happens is, 362 00:24:05.160 --> 00:24:07.039 you know, as we go back to what I was 363 00:24:07.079 --> 00:24:10.240 discussing earlier in the first half of life, is all 364 00:24:10.279 --> 00:24:15.200 of these fields become separated, they become differentiated, and we 365 00:24:15.359 --> 00:24:21.200 become actually alienated from the archetypal and the unitary reality field, 366 00:24:21.640 --> 00:24:25.039 but they're all part of the of the psyche. There's 367 00:24:25.079 --> 00:24:28.880 nothing that isn't self. There's nothing that isn't psyche. But 368 00:24:29.079 --> 00:24:32.240 we think we are in the physical reality field, and 369 00:24:32.240 --> 00:24:36.720 we think that's us, and we think that's the endpoint. Okay, 370 00:24:36.359 --> 00:24:41.640 So this book brings into a unified model and a 371 00:24:41.759 --> 00:24:45.759 unified way of thinking all of the fields in a 372 00:24:45.759 --> 00:24:49.680 way that hopefully talks about it as just differentiated parts 373 00:24:49.680 --> 00:24:53.880 of the oneness, the unity. And so I felt it 374 00:24:53.920 --> 00:24:57.960 was extremely important to show how during the lifespan this 375 00:24:58.119 --> 00:25:01.599 unfolds and then in the second half of life, how 376 00:25:01.599 --> 00:25:04.720 it starts to come back together again. You see, we 377 00:25:04.960 --> 00:25:08.880 dlink or we never dlink. Let me correct it. We're 378 00:25:08.920 --> 00:25:14.160 always linked. We're just unconsciously linked. And then the second 379 00:25:14.160 --> 00:25:18.000 half of life we have an opportunity to consciously relink. 380 00:25:19.880 --> 00:25:25.119 And this is an incredibly important part of the unfolding. 381 00:25:25.440 --> 00:25:27.720 During the seasons of life and the lifespan, these are 382 00:25:27.720 --> 00:25:30.240 the opportunities in windows that open up. 383 00:25:31.079 --> 00:25:33.720 Now in the book, you talk about four stages of 384 00:25:33.759 --> 00:25:38.119 life and the importance of versus eldering, versus aging, and 385 00:25:38.160 --> 00:25:40.359 I think that's very relevant for a lot of our 386 00:25:40.359 --> 00:25:43.559 boomer audience out there and a lot of people like 387 00:25:43.599 --> 00:25:46.599 myself or yourself or like my friends, who are some 388 00:25:46.640 --> 00:25:49.160 of them are still working, some of them aren't, and 389 00:25:49.720 --> 00:25:52.279 I think they're all wrestling with Is that all there is? 390 00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:57.000 Talk to us about how the book addresses this target group, 391 00:25:57.039 --> 00:25:59.440 if you will, and how they can navigate some of 392 00:25:59.440 --> 00:26:03.000 these challenges in Layman's terms, what can then the boomers today? 393 00:26:03.039 --> 00:26:06.920 Okay, So now now we get into Layman's terms, so 394 00:26:08.839 --> 00:26:12.680 you know, and an elder is someone that is connected 395 00:26:12.720 --> 00:26:17.279 with who they are, okay, who knows the ground of 396 00:26:17.319 --> 00:26:24.559 who they are, who has remembered and relinked, and they 397 00:26:24.599 --> 00:26:29.359 can become a lighthouse to others who are searching for 398 00:26:29.400 --> 00:26:34.240 this path. And they can also become initiators and midwives. 399 00:26:35.079 --> 00:26:38.759 And so the eldering role is an incredibly important role 400 00:26:39.359 --> 00:26:44.720 to welcome others who are seeking transformation into deeper and 401 00:26:44.799 --> 00:26:50.039