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Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash Podcast. Tonight's guest is Dan Schmidt. Dan,

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Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: Hey, yeah, thanks for having me ck Well.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for being here. We appreciate your time. Dan, Please

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give us a brief bio on yourself.

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Speaker 1: Well. I am born and raised in the southern Minnesota area.

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I spent most of my teenage years on a farm

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on actually the farm where my story will be taking place.

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Been a very avid lover of dogs my whole life.

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I have always had at least one, if not multiple dogs,

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and they are usually in my company at almost all times.

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I am an avid, I guess fan and researcher of

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the supernatural and the paranormal in general since my encounter,

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and I am a dispatcher for electric linemen in the area,

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send them for outages and take information for restorals and

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things like that.

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Speaker 2: From what I understand, a coworker even told you that

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you might be a good radio host. What's the story

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behind that.

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Speaker 1: One of our offices that we talked to on a

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regular basis, has gotten quite familiar, and we talked back

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and forth a lot about actually and yeah, I was

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just told that I'm I'm their favorite call of the

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day and that I could be a radio host because

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my voice has that type of flow to it.

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Speaker 2: Huh, you do have a distinctive voice. Got to give

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it to you. You describe yourself as being a person

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who's had several strange experiences in his life besides the

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dog meaning the encounter that we're going to talk about,

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of course, But what are the kinds of experiences have

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you had?

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Speaker 1: Well? I would actually consider myself kind of what I

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would call a triple threat of supernatural experiences, because besides

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my dog man encounter that we will talk about, I

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have had a plethora of what I believe our spirits

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or ghostly encounters, as well as a couple encounters with

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what I think might have been extraterrestrials.

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Speaker 2: Wow, you are a triple threat then, Holy cow. I've

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got to ask you, Dan, at any time in your life,

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have you ever played with Ouiji board?

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Speaker 1: I have? Yes. Uh. Later, later teenage years we did,

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and we got ourselves a little spooky conversation out of

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that and ended up fleeing the house where we were

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where we were doing it.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, Yeah, I figured you must have. Well, let

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me qualify that. I shouldn't say that I figured you

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must have, but I figured there is a pretty strong

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possibility that you had. Dan what I understand, you dated

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a girl who had a dogman encounter just like yours

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that happened inside of a home. Well more, can you

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tell us about her experience?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Actually, her her experience was not too different from

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my own. When I actually I suppose get into the tail,

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hers would almost almost line up with it perfectly, other

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than the house will be different in would be different

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in her story, I guess to the house that mine

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would take place in.

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Speaker 2: It really does make you wonder is she dealing with

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her experience as well as you are as you're dealing

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with yours.

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Speaker 1: I would actually say so, yes, I think that she

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had done very well.

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Speaker 2: Oh good, that definitely meets so alternative. You had one

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of the most dramatic dog met the encounters when you're

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a kid that's ever going to be shared on the

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show Where are You Now? As far as your ability

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to deal.

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Speaker 1: With it goes, I think I am doing rather well.

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It is my personal belief that things that are outside

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of our control we should not stress about too much.

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So even having an encounter like this, it is not

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something that I went out looking for necessarily, so having

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it happen to me anyway, for me is just kind

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of like, what can you do? You know, at the

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end of the day, you're still you and life goes on.

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Speaker 2: You know, I love your mindset. If more I witnesses

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thought that way, that would really help tremendously. It really

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absolutely How long was it before you found out what

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it was that came into the house that night to

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pay you a visit?

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Speaker 1: Well, I would say, so my encounter happened I believe

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when I was about nine years old, I think is

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how old I was. If not, I was very close

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to nine years old, and I would say when I

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was maybe probably fifteen or sixteen. I had been kind

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of trying to learn as much about supernatural events as

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possible to kind of explain some of my many encounters

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that I've had, and I did start encountering I think

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it actually spawned from reading stories about people's encounters with

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Bigfoot that I eventually stumbled across. The stories from the

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Beast of Bray Road, and I started learning that dog

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and that it wasn't a werewolf that I saw, because

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see something like that. You live your days after that

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thinking that you saw legitimate werewolf. I mean, even to

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the point of myself wondering who would the werewolf be?

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being a lichenthrope?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't even think about that at that age.

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That just complicates it that much more. You deal with

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it so well now, But what kinds of issues have

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you had to deal with due to that encounter happening

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at such a young age that you don't think you'd

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have to deal with if you wouldn't have been so

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young when that encounter happened.

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Speaker 1: You know, because of that encounter and some of the

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other encounters I've had, I would say something that is

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probably different in me now that that wouldn't have been then,

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and probably wouldn't be had that not happened at a

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young age, is that I don't have a regular fear

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response to certain things, and it can be both a

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good and a bad thing. For instance, like I said,

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I spend a lot of time with dogs in my

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daily life, and I've helped babysit dogs for people who

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have gone on vacations, and I've been in situations where

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it's not uncommon for me to be hanging out with

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six different dogs all at the same time. And as

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everybody knows, sometimes dogs can have disagreements among themselves, and

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while everybody else seems to panic in the moment, for me,

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it just kind of seems like time slows down and

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I'm able to step in and intervene in the dog conflict,

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and I'm not afraid to put my hands like in

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mouths to try to stop biting in things like that,

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and it doesn't bother me. It doesn't get me worked

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up like it does other people. And I think that

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it all spawned from things like this happening when I

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was at a young age.

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Speaker 2: Well, that quality is a good one to have in

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some ways and other ways I think that might get

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your hurt.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, no, it definitely it can delay my reactions

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to certain things as well. So, like I said, it

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can be both a good thing and a bad thing

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because I don't react in a a lot of times,

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fear is meant to preserve you, you know, So me

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not having that initial reaction at the exact time that

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I should sometimes makes it so I don't avoid something

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that I could have avoided otherwise.

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Speaker 2: Well, that would allow you to think things through, and

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most people's brains would pour out of their ears. So

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that right there is a pretty good self preservation quality

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in a lot of ways. So I guess it's not

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all bad. If you've had a dog meaning encounter that

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you'd like to speak with me about, whether in private

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or on the show, please go to Dogmandencounters dot com

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and submit a report. All right, Dan, please tell us

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about your encounter. Now, give a sir, last detail that

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comes to mind.

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Speaker 1: Well, I suppose I should begin by setting my stage here.

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So the farm that I'm going to be talking about

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has been a family farm. My grandparents had lived there

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basically their whole lives. My dad was raised there and

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grew up there, and eventually when my grandparents moved into town,

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then my dad and I moved out to the farm

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and took it over from there. So I spent a

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lot of time there, even before I lived there and

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then ended up being there all the time throughout my

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I mean from maybe twelve years old on to eighteen

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when I graduated and moved away. The farm itself is

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it's not in a heavily wooded area, which I know

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a lot of encounters usually are. This is farmland. I

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mean there are trees and stuff around, and there are

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woods relatively close, but they're not huge woods by any means.

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It is right along some railroad tracks. Sometimes would see

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like coyotes and stuff hanging out out on the railroad

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tracks and whatnot. And we had cattle on the farm

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that we raised, so we had a pasture. And the

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north side of the farm now is a grove that

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I helped plant. But back when this story would have

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taken place, it was still a field that was being farmed.

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called it an island. It's just kind of this one

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big kind of hill of grass that had been farmed

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around for a time. But that actually used to be

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a much larger hill many many years ago. That was

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a big hill, not a field, And there was a

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cemetery there, a really old cemetery, and it actually the

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bodies were relocated to other local cemeteries, and the land

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itself was leveled out then and moved, and the dirt

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was taken elsewhere and used to fill in around places

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and stuff. And so this, uh, yeah, this is the

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farm where it happened. It was very well maintained. My

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grandparents did a very good job. It was a very

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esthetically pleasing place. I would say. The back property of

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it had very very large old pine trees, like probably

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hundred feet tall. I mean they were big, and I

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mean a lot of them are still there today. They

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are very big. But back in where these pine trees are,

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this property had been inhabited for long enough that there

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was actually remnants of an old sod house that had

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been out there that since was not standing anymore, but

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there were still things that were in the ground that

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you could find with like a metal detector if you

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were to go out there, for instance. So when this happened,

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it would have been winter, probably around winter break. I

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would say. My grandmother had had my cousin and I

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come out to stay the weekend with her, and we

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had had fun, you know, playing in the snow and

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what not. Doing what you know kids do outside, building forts,

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having snowball fights, things of that nature. And we had

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had a very good, very calm, peaceful day. We came

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inside later in the day, we had supper with my

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grandparents and we talked and we probably watched television, though

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I don't remember what we would have watched. We then

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started winding down for the day, and my grandma had

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brought out like a mattress that she kept on hand,

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like just a small one for when kids were over,

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and she made a bed and put it in the

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living room on the floor, and that's where my cousin

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was going to sleep. And then I had a pillow

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and blanket, and I was sleeping on the couch and

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we were actually like right next to each other. He

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was on the floor just below where I was laying

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on the couch. And we'd gone to bed at a

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decent time, and I'd been I mean sleeping for some time,

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I think, because I mean I imagine we probably would

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have went to bed around nine maybe, And it was

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about between one and two in the morning now when

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I was awoken to a noise and as I heard

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was the latch on the back door of the house

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so it was like a screen door and then a

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larger door behind it, and the latch itself was like

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you know, the straight up and down with the push

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button that you would use your thumb on to open

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the door, like that kind of latch, And I heard

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it click, and then I heard the sound of like

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the spring on the door pulling as it opened, and

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I thought it must be my dad. He was in

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the area at an establishment earlier in the night. I

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thought maybe he had decided to come stay at Grandma's

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house with us too, So I didn't think too much

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of the sound, but I did sit up and was like, oh,

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I think my dad is about to walk in, So

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I mean the excitement of a child. And I'm listening,

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and I hear the second door open, the larger door,

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and then the doors close, and then I hear heavy

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footfall coming through the back room. Now there's another door

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in between this back room and where I was, so

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I couldn't see anything at this point, and the footfall

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was heavy enough where I honestly thought it could have

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been my dad's steeltoe boots, because I mean it it

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made a sound like it was. It was a decent

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footfall sound, and they came, and the steps didn't seem

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abnormal by any means. It was they were coming at

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a slow pace, but not too slow, not awkwardly slow.

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And then I watched the doorknob round doorknob on the

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door start to turn, and the door slowly opened. And granted,

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there were no lights on in this room, but there

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was moonlight reflecting off the snow outside shining in through

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the windows, and there was more of that moonlight in

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that back room when the door opened, so there was

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a little bit of light that was cast from behind

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what I could now see opening the door. And it

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was not my dad. This thing filled the entire doorframe,

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which I think was. I mean, I am six' one

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now AND i have plenty of clearance still walking through that,

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door SO i would say the doorframe is probably about

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seven feet around in. There it's not a huge doorframe

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by any. Means i've seen taller, doors but this thing

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filled the whole, doorframe and it had wide set. Shoulders

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the shoulders themselves were as wide as the doorframe. Was

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but it was not. Human it was a hairy. Body

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it was, dark dark. FUR i thought it was black,

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fur but, honestly thinking about, it it could have just

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been really really really dark, brown and because there was

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not a whole lot of light in the, room MAYBE

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i perceived it as. Black but then, again maybe it

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was black kind of shaggy. FUR i would. SAY i

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had A german, shepherd and she had more of like

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a medium, COAT i would, Say and this thing had

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for longer than, that more of like what a what

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a long Haired german shepherd would have, had at least

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on its upper body for, sure around the head and neck, area.

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Shoulders the arms were. Long the forearms were, long WHICH

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i pick up on BECAUSE i, MEAN i THINK i

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have long, forearms BUT i mean not like this thing.

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Did this thing had long, forearms and it had hands

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like hands with. Thumbs it had opened the doors using its.

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Thumbs but its face was that of A german. Shepherd

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it had a wide set, Snout it had tall pointed

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ears sticking up off the top of its. Head AND i,

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CAN'T i, can't for the life of me say. THAT

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i think its eyes were more of a yellowish but

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it was really hard to tell in the darkness the

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color of its. Eye AND i am actually partially red

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green color, Blind so had they been some shades of.

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RED i would not have been able to perceive it properly.

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Anyway but this thing walks in the. Door oh, oh,

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legs of. COURSE i could see its, legs and it

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did have what we would call the canine style legs

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with the. Hawks but its, FEET i, MEAN i didn't

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see like bottoms of its feet by any, means BUT

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i could see that it had the feet of a

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canine with you, know paws with claws or. Whatever So

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i'm looking at this thing opening the, door And i'm

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nine years. Old i'm sitting on the couch in the.

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DARK i am terrified of WHAT i am looking. At

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and AS i, Said i'm thinking this is a were.

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WOLF i think that there's a were wolf in the

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house right. NOW i am looking at a, actual real

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life were. Wolf where did this thing come? From how

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is this? Happening it has not seen me. Yet it's

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walking in and it's looking at my cousin sleeping on the.

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Floor he has not woken up to these. Sounds he's

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still dead, asleep and its eyes are locked on, him

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and it takes a slow step, forward still looking at.

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Him it is now walking through the, doorway and as

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it takes its second step, forward a very slow. Step,

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again it looks up along the couch and it sees

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me sitting stock still on the, couch staring at. It

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and we looked at each, other AND i, MEAN i

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was frozen in, fear and this thing froze when it

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saw me. Too so now it's the two of, us

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a nine year old boy in an foot tall, monster

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staring each other. DOWN i, mean for what felt like

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a decent amount of. Time BUT i, mean in, reality

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it probably wasn't that. Long probably wasn't more than five

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or ten seconds before it started to move, again but

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it felt a lot longer than that in the, moment for.

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Sure so as it's looking at me without breaking eye,

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contact this thing starts to reverse its motions exactly as

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it stepped, in just the same movement, backwards but while

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still holding eye contact with. Me it takes its two

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steps slowly back towards the, door and it reaches its

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long arm out and grabs the edge of the door

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as it walks through, it and it closes it in

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front of. It and that's what broke our eye. Contact,

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finally was the door finally closing and latching. Shut and

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THEN i hear the footfall of it walking at that

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same speed back through the. ROOM i, mean it. Wasn't

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it wasn't in a hurry to. Leave it was, leaving

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but it wasn't rushing. OUT i heard the doors open.

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AGAIN i heard the doors close. Again this thing closed

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doors behind it like, that to me is a very human.

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Characteristic to, me it seemed normal because it's a. WEREWOLF

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i thought it probably is a, human you, know LIKE

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i mean most days, Anyway so after it closes the

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screen door finally and is, Gone i'm, LIKE i don't

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know what to. Think i'm sitting there in the. Dark

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i'm still. Frozen i'm just staring into the darkness at

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the door where it, was thinking like this can't be,

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Real like what? How how could this be? Possible what

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DO i? Do like where did it come? From sort of.

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Thing i'm like reeling with all these. Thoughts AND i

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sat awake for most of the rest of the. NIGHT

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i don't remember falling back, asleep but MAYBE i did

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for a. While and when we woke up in the,

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morning my cousin AND, i or when morning finally came

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and my grandparents got, UP i immediately ran to my.

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Grandma i'm, Like, Grandma, GRANDMA i saw. Werewolf it came

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into the house last. Night it opened the, door and

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it looked at my cousin on the, floor and she's,

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like that can't be. Real that was a bad. Dream

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you probably don't need to think about. THAT i don't

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think that was. Real BUT i would not accept this

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as an. ANSWER i was determined that we, know we're

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going to figure this. Out this is a mystery and

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we're going to solve. It so whether she believes me or,

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Not i'm going to get to the bottom of. This

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SO i tell my, cousin my, cousin who is my?

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Age you? Know he he doesn't question WHAT i. Saw that's,

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scary but, YEAH i like understand the confusion about. It

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so let's try to solve the. Mystery so we put

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on our, snowsuits our boots and snow pants and, coats, hats,

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gloves and we march out into the frozen. Tundra and

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we spent quite a while looking around the area trying

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to figure out what we could use to prove that

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this thing had been. There but the snow leading up

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to the door that it had come through was very

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heavily trafficked by. Us so it was all packed, down

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and there wasn't any way it was going to be

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leaving a print and snow that had been packed and

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refrozen and iced up and things like that right. There

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so we had to go much further back in the

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property and we get back to the air THAT i

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had talked about where the really really tall pine trees,

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were where that sod house used to, be and, it oddly,

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enough actually was in that exact same spot that the

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sod house used to be THAT i found prints in the.

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Snow they were canine, prints and she had a. Dog

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but these prints were, huge. MONSTROUS i MEAN i have

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been around big, dogs like, big big, dogs and this

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thing was still like way bigger than any dog PRINT

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i have ever seen, anywhere bigger than wolf, prints you,

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know like even a timberwolf would not leave a print

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the size of this. Print SO i did go AND

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i got my grandma to tell her, that, like, no

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this was, Real, grandma AND i can prove, it AND

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i don't still don't think that she was able to

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wrap her mind around the. Concept she shrugged it off

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as so it must have just been a dog or

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a coyote or something that ran through and didn't ever

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attribute the size, REALLY i, think SO i didn't like.

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THAT i didn't like not being taken seriously about, it

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and after THAT i wanted to look around a little.

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More the mystery was ever. Present SO i had walked

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out through the field and to that grassy. MOUND i

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had talked about the island in the, field and WHEN

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i climbed up onto this, ISLAND i saw that there

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was like a den if you, will dug into the earth,

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there and you couldn't see it from afar when you

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were looking at. It it just looked like a grassy.

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Mound it was dug kind of down and then sideways

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into the. Ground AND i didn't climb in there by any,

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means BUT i went back in AND i, SAID i

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found it's, den LIKE i know where it, lives AND

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i described it to, them and once AGAIN i was

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not taken. Seriously BUT i did notice that that following farm,

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season that that island was plowed over and was. Gone

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there was no more grassy island in the, Field there

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was no more. Den SO i don't know if that

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meant that my grandpa had investigated it possibly and decided

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that there was something living, there and that didn't need

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to be there and got rid of it or. What but,

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YEAH i, GUESS i Guess i'll never really know as

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far as that, goes what the reasoning for plowing over

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that was if it was not me discovering the. Den but,

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yeah years years, AFTERWARDS i have constantly been trying to

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gain more information to try to make more sense of

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the things that happened to. Me AND i, MEAN i

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definitely thought it was a werewolf for a long, time

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and LIKE i, said it'd cast suspicion on the neighbors and,

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stuff like somebody's going to show signs that they're a.

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Werewolf but nobody showed any signs that they were a were.

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Wolf it's not, like you, KNOW i found a neighbor

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eating hearts or anything like. That, No, no just regular

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people doing regular people's. Stuff SO i did end up

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discovering like The beast Of Bray road and things and

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finding out that the Dog man was a reported phenomenon

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like all over the, place all over the, country and

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then later found out all over the. WORLD i know

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that there are stories from like all over the, place

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like all of the continents except Maybe, antarctica but we

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don't really know what goes on In antarctica, anyway and

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we probably never, will so maybe there are dog men in. It,

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like who. Knows what was.

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Speaker 2: The day after your, encounter like for, You, dan was

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it a blur or fairly?

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Speaker 1: Normal, WELL i mean it was, determination is WHAT i would.

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Say my confusion and my fear had all turned INTO

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I i'm not going to, Like i'm not gonna let

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this be an unanswered. Thing SO i spent a majority

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of that day outside in my, snowsuit, investigating trying to

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find as many clues AS i. Could AND i GUESS

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i had no fear of being out there, because LIKE i,

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SAID i thought it was a werewolf, Anyway so the

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moonlight's not shining down and whatever this thing, was it's

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probably a man again, now SO i don't have anything

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to worry. ABOUT i, mean for the most, PART i

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would say it was a decently normal day other than,

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that other than me trying to solve the paranormal.

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Speaker 2: Mystery when we spoke about that encounter for the first,

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TIME i didn't even think about the fact that you

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thought it was a werewolf and how that would complicate,

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things because that would definitely complicate.

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Speaker 1: Them, yeah but at the same, time it also kind

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of kind of made it made make sense in the

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moment to me a little bit more BECAUSE i was a.

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Kid why wouldn't the were wolf be a real? Thing you,

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know there's all sorts of movies and stories about. Them

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they must be, real, Right?

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Speaker 2: Oh, sure you had every reason to think that. Definitely

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other than the fact that you thought you were looking

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at a were. Wolf what surprised you most about its? Appearance, well.

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Speaker 1: Being a biped you, know like everybody talks about The

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german shepherd, Face and, yeah for, sure the one The

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german shepherd THAT i. Had she had a brother that

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was from her same, parents and he had he was

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a big, boy what very, big wide set, face and

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it was it looked like, that you, know like very

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much that which WHICH i associate with like male DOGS

478
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:20,319
i noticed usually have like the wider set snout structure

479
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,680
than most of the FEMALES i have. Encounterdooced so it

480
00:31:23,799 --> 00:31:26,960
is my personal belief THAT i think this thing was a,

481
00:31:27,039 --> 00:31:30,440
male BUT i GUESS i can't prove that by any.

482
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,759
Means you. Know, also its size and size is definitely,

483
00:31:34,799 --> 00:31:38,440
intimidating filling that whole doorframe the way that it. DID i,

484
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:42,000
Mean i'd watched grown men walk through that door before

485
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:46,119
and they don't fill it like, that you, know like

486
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:47,079
that was a big.

487
00:31:47,359 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 2: Animal there are a lot of people who wonder how

488
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,960
you could possibly Keep german shepherds the way you have

489
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,400
over the years after seeing that, dog, mean the way you,

490
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,640
did because so many people who have had encounters with these,

491
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,039
guys they're a. PORTEL A german shepherd will look at

492
00:32:03,039 --> 00:32:06,480
them a certain, way especially a black, one which you've

493
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,519
had a certain.

494
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,519
Speaker 1: Way three THAT i spent the most time with we're.

495
00:32:10,559 --> 00:32:15,359
Speaker 2: Black oh, sure and that's just another mind blowing, FACT

496
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,920
i believe. You but, yes it's just a mind blowing

497
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,599
fact that you haven't had any problem doing. That but

498
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,160
a lot of people have reported that Their german shepherd

499
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,480
looks at them a certain, way and they just start

500
00:32:27,519 --> 00:32:30,839
having flashbacks to their. Encounters i'm glad you haven't had

501
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:31,599
any trouble with.

502
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: That, YEAH i mean for, me it almost brought me,

503
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:41,759
COMFORT i, guess you, know even drawing similarities between, them

504
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:48,400
LIKE i, mean if monsters they, are you, know the

505
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,599
better the. Monster you, know might as well have them

506
00:32:51,599 --> 00:32:52,799
on my, side you.

507
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,319
Speaker 2: Know, yeah that's. True that's a good way to look at.

508
00:32:56,359 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: It and they are intelligent dogs, too so there are

509
00:32:59,799 --> 00:33:02,119
a lot of times where they do give you a

510
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,880
look where you know that something is going on in that.

511
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,559
Head that's more than we would give credit to AND

512
00:33:08,279 --> 00:33:11,480
i always appreciated that out of. Them, ACTUALLY i thought

513
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,720
it was almost a like a more human like trait

514
00:33:14,799 --> 00:33:16,480
than a lot of other dog breeds would.

515
00:33:16,519 --> 00:33:20,799
Speaker 2: Have, yeah they are really neat. DOGS i totally get

516
00:33:20,799 --> 00:33:23,799
it why you like. Them did you ever notice if

517
00:33:23,799 --> 00:33:33,519
it was jittery or rock solid.

518
00:33:31,279 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: Like the creature? Itself, yes it did not seem to be.

519
00:33:36,319 --> 00:33:40,920
Jittery AND i mean even even in our moment of eye,

520
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,400
contact like there was that realization in it Like i've been,

521
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,799
spotted and something about that made it so it wasn't

522
00:33:48,839 --> 00:33:50,839
going to do what it was going to. Do whatever

523
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,279
it was planning on, doing it no longer was going

524
00:33:54,359 --> 00:33:57,039
to do BECAUSE i was looking at. It so there

525
00:33:57,119 --> 00:34:01,680
was some sort of process going, on definitely some sort

526
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,880
of thought process THAT i don't know if it's rules

527
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,320
that it abides by or a, code or if it

528
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,559
just didn't like being looked, at you, know but it

529
00:34:12,599 --> 00:34:16,199
didn't seem jittery when it backed, away it seemed. Calm

530
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,280
its movements were. Slow LIKE i, said it didn't dart.

531
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:24,360
AWAY i didn't, hear you, know increased speed of footsteps

532
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,280
going through that back room. Again SO i don't think.

533
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:33,119
IT i don't think it was stressed out or threatened

534
00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:35,599
by me in any. Way but you, know nine year

535
00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:39,519
old boy sitting on a, couch frozen in, fear obviously

536
00:34:39,559 --> 00:34:40,119
not much of a.

537
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:44,679
Speaker 2: Threat, oh, definitely, yeah no threat to. It, well never

538
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,599
know for sure what it would have done if it

539
00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:48,960
never would have realized that you were watching it that.

540
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:51,920
Night but, well let me qualify, THAT i know that

541
00:34:52,119 --> 00:34:57,599
it wasn't going to tie your shoelaces, Together, yeah thank.

542
00:34:57,639 --> 00:35:01,000
Goodness but if you had to, bet what do you

543
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,519
think it would have done if you wouldn't have busted?

544
00:35:03,519 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: It, WELL i, mean my instincts say that it would

545
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,599
be something, nefarious right that maybe it, was you, know

546
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,760
hoping to make a meal out of my sleeping cousin

547
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,320
on the floor or. Something BUT i guess we can't

548
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,960
really know that. EITHER i, mean there's all sorts of

549
00:35:23,079 --> 00:35:26,599
varying stories about encounters with creatures like this all over the,

550
00:35:26,639 --> 00:35:31,280
world and even going back into different folklores around the,

551
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:36,280
world and, LIKE i believe it's The irish who have

552
00:35:36,639 --> 00:35:41,480
a belief about a very werewolf esque sort of creature

553
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,159
that would inhabit their area that was actually a very

554
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:49,039
good natured creature that would like bring them fish and

555
00:35:49,119 --> 00:35:51,840
leave it on their windowsill so that they had something

556
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,519
to eat the next day sort of. Thing, Like, SO i,

557
00:35:55,559 --> 00:35:57,320
mean who are we to say that they're completely?

558
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 2: Nefarious you're talking about the Wolver, yes, yeah that's what

559
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:08,280
that legend is pertaining to In, ireland the. WOLVER i

560
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,880
can understand why you would think that if you wouldn't

561
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,880
have caught it in the, act that might have planned

562
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,679
to feed on your cousin maybe you as, Well but

563
00:36:18,079 --> 00:36:21,480
it knew full well you watching. It that wouldn't have

564
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,519
done anything to stop its ability to do that if

565
00:36:24,519 --> 00:36:27,199
that's what it had on its. Mind, anyway IF i

566
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,920
wanted to eat your cousin, you IF i wanted to

567
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,440
tie your shoelaces, together if it wanted to do, Whatever,

568
00:36:34,519 --> 00:36:36,880
tia it could have done, it whether you were awake

569
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,239
watching it do it or. Not SO i can appreciate

570
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,320
you thinking that's what it was possibly going to, do

571
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,480
but it really just wouldn't make sense that's what it

572
00:36:46,519 --> 00:36:49,280
had on its. Mind because if that's what it did

573
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,199
plan to do, initially why not go ahead and do that?

574
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: STILL i don't. Know maybe it just would have been

575
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,719
a matter of Since i'm already, awake IF i made enough,

576
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,239
noise THEN i would wake up everybody else in the,

577
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,480
house and next thing you, know it would, have you,

578
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,679
know four humans and another creature like a dog or

579
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:13,280
something to contend, with and it probably just didn't didn't

580
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:17,960
feel up for that sort of. CONFLICT i guess.

581
00:37:16,679 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 2: That's a really good, point and you might be right about.

582
00:37:19,519 --> 00:37:22,639
That i'll never say that these guys are safe to be,

583
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,079
around because, yeah they're obviously deviant dogmen out, there just

584
00:37:26,119 --> 00:37:30,239
like there are deviant animals of whatever. Species so that

585
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,519
just might have been what you're dealing with that. Night

586
00:37:32,519 --> 00:37:35,840
we'll never going to know for. Sure but having said,

587
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,760
That i've spoken with more than one person who they

588
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,000
had a dog man come into the house with, them

589
00:37:42,039 --> 00:37:44,519
and this dog men had them dead to, rights but

590
00:37:44,599 --> 00:37:47,599
it never harmed. Them SO i can't help but wonder

591
00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:50,920
if that wasn't the case, here that it just flat

592
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,719
out didn't have any intentions on harming. You we'll never get,

593
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,159
no but all we can.

594
00:37:55,159 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: Do maybe it's something that we completely don't, understand you,

595
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:02,559
know like maybe it's some sort of you, know agenda

596
00:38:02,679 --> 00:38:06,199
or custom that they hold as a species that we

597
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:10,199
know nothing about that has nothing to do with harming

598
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:11,280
the people in the house.

599
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:15,519
Speaker 2: Necessarily, yeah you make some really good, points you really.

600
00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:18,960
Do how would you describe its? Eyes he said that

601
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,559
you think they were, Yellow but did you see them

602
00:38:21,559 --> 00:38:23,800
well enough to be able to tell if it had

603
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,800
thinking eyes or the eyes of a wild.

604
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:30,079
Speaker 1: Animal, uh definitely did not get the sense that they

605
00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:34,440
were the eyes of a wild animal very. Much, so

606
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,719
like like when we were holding eye, CONTACT i could

607
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:41,440
tell that it was thinking that like me making eye

608
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:45,559
contact with it was now changing this situation that it

609
00:38:45,639 --> 00:38:50,719
was processing something changing because of. That in the same

610
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,559
way that you, know some of the dogs That i've

611
00:38:52,599 --> 00:38:54,760
spent time, with you look them in the, eyes and

612
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,840
you can you can definitely tell that they're, thinking you,

613
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,639
know definitely not like just wild animal sort of.

614
00:39:01,639 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 2: Eyes that's one of the most frightened qualities they, have

615
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:10,400
the fact that they're clearly so. Cerebral when you saw

616
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:14,639
it see, you and it, Realized, okay that kid over

617
00:39:14,639 --> 00:39:17,679
here is watching. Me did you notice a change on

618
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,679
its face to convey a change in? Demeanor did you

619
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,679
see all of a sudden that it seemed to look, angry,

620
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,360
afraid or in the other?

621
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:33,679
Speaker 1: Emotions you, know it didn't react emotionally THAT i. Observed

622
00:39:36,119 --> 00:39:39,639
it looked differently at me than it looked at my sleeping.

623
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,840
Cousin BUT i don't know if that could be attributed

624
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,760
more to because it was looking at me and now

625
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,920
thinking about changing what it was going to, do and

626
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:52,960
if that's WHAT i was, witnessing or if it was

627
00:39:53,119 --> 00:39:56,400
just like the angle of its, gaze you, know whereas

628
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,480
BEFORE i would have been looking at more of the

629
00:39:58,639 --> 00:40:00,920
side of its face as it looked at my, cousin

630
00:40:01,039 --> 00:40:03,400
until it turned its face and looked directly at.

631
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 2: Me you said that it looked at your cousin differently

632
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:08,880
than how it looked at. You what more can you

633
00:40:09,039 --> 00:40:12,159
tell us about that.

634
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 1: That look when it first came. In that is something

635
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:19,039
THAT i could describe as a little more like animalistic in.

636
00:40:19,199 --> 00:40:24,000
Nature like, UH i watched a lot of nature and

637
00:40:24,039 --> 00:40:27,599
documentaries WHEN i was a kid, too AND i saw

638
00:40:27,679 --> 00:40:31,440
the look of a hunting, creature you, know like the

639
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,480
look on their face and to me that kind of

640
00:40:34,519 --> 00:40:37,960
seemed along the lines. Up maybe not exactly the, same

641
00:40:38,079 --> 00:40:41,639
but it's more similar, TO i would, say than.

642
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 2: Not, Wow, DAN i can only imagine what must have

643
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,320
been going through your mind at the, time poor. Guy

644
00:40:49,119 --> 00:40:53,920
that's rough when it stepped through that, doorway turned and

645
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,960
saw that you were watching. It how close was, it, tiya.

646
00:40:59,079 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: Let's, see twelve feet MAYBE i would say about twelve.

647
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 2: Feet, well that's pretty. Close that's waiting closer comfort it really.

648
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,760
Is if it was about twelve feet from, You how

649
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,480
close was it to your, cousin.

650
00:41:15,159 --> 00:41:20,679
Speaker 1: Then he would have been maybe maybe two maybe three

651
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,400
feet a little bit closer to the, door but not

652
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:28,440
in the direct direction of the, door like he was

653
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:34,679
two to three feet off to my. Side so maybe

654
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,079
he was a foot and a half closer to it

655
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,239
in the grand scheme of things THAN i.

656
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:46,280
Speaker 2: Was so he was closer than you. Were, yes when

657
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,480
you caught it in the, act did it seem ready

658
00:41:49,559 --> 00:41:52,519
to jump or was it just still? Walking?

659
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 1: Yep, no it didn't take like a posture that it

660
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,360
was going to. Jump LIKE I i'm pretty good at

661
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,440
recognizing that after all the Time i've spent with dogs

662
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,840
and seeing like how their bodies, move what their legs

663
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:11,320
do sort of, Thing AND i, mean, yeah, no did

664
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,559
not seem like it was about to. Pounce it looked

665
00:42:13,599 --> 00:42:16,719
like it would have kept walking had it not spotted

666
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,480
me watching. It you, know was it.

667
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,639
Speaker 2: Sneaking at that point when it was that close to

668
00:42:21,679 --> 00:42:25,480
your cousin and, you or was it walking without any

669
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:26,599
regard for being?

670
00:42:26,679 --> 00:42:31,159
Speaker 1: QUIET i remember hearing the footfall in the back, room

671
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:35,280
but once it steps through the, DOORWAY i do not

672
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,760
remember hearing the footfall. Anymore so it did take a

673
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:45,079
more silent step once it had entered into the actual living.

674
00:42:45,159 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 2: Room it does make you wonder if it didn't realize

675
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,800
you two were there until it got to that doorway

676
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,639
in that's WHY i got. QUIET i heard you mentioned

677
00:42:53,679 --> 00:42:56,639
how you hear the footfalls when it was backed by the,

678
00:42:56,679 --> 00:43:00,800
Door but, yeah what you just said makes sense THAT

679
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:02,719
i didn't know you were there until it came to the,

680
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,920
door so that might be what happened. There what more

681
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,119
can you tell us about its leg structure that you

682
00:43:09,159 --> 00:43:12,360
haven't already told? Us for, example did you ever see

683
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,559
if it had knee? Caps it?

684
00:43:14,639 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 1: DID i would say femur to the knee structure would

685
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,800
be more like my own than like a. Dog but

686
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:29,519
then from there down it had because of, this had

687
00:43:29,639 --> 00:43:32,719
longer legs than a person would, have you, know but,

688
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,599
yeah i'd say more more human like femur and knee

689
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:42,199
and then after that had the leg of a dog

690
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,840
leading to a giant paw at the.

691
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:49,679
Speaker 2: Bottom the reason WHY i asked you that is, horses, dogs,

692
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,559
cats animals that walk in that did you degrade fashion like,

693
00:43:53,599 --> 00:43:55,960
That they don't have knee. Caps they have what are

694
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,400
called stifled. Joints SO i was just asking that question

695
00:43:59,559 --> 00:44:01,800
because as it could have gone either way when you

696
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,840
consider the fact that there's kind of a crossover between

697
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:09,719
somewhat of a human like. Thigh, yeah then when you

698
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,519
go below the stifled joint knee, level that's when it

699
00:44:13,559 --> 00:44:16,280
seems to cross over to more of a dog like leg.

700
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,920
Structure so that's WHY i ask you that, question to

701
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:20,840
see if you saw a knee cap or.

702
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 1: No, Yeah AND i guess in that, SENSE i can't

703
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,920
say THAT i saw specifically a knee, cap BUT i

704
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,840
do think that the upper leg looked a lot more

705
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,079
similar structure to our legs than the rest of it.

706
00:44:33,079 --> 00:44:36,559
Speaker 2: Did so if that's the, case then you're saying that

707
00:44:36,599 --> 00:44:41,159
its thigh structure was more of a round shape and

708
00:44:41,599 --> 00:44:45,960
cross section compared to how a dog's thigh or a

709
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:50,000
horse's thigh is laterally. Compressed, yes but.

710
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:56,119
Speaker 1: Very, muscular but similar in build to our. Own but very.

711
00:44:56,239 --> 00:45:02,039
Speaker 2: Muscular, Oh i'm sure they. Were that's Other normally you

712
00:45:02,079 --> 00:45:06,039
were awfully young back, then. Obviously but did you have any? Faith?

713
00:45:08,119 --> 00:45:12,199
Speaker 1: Uh, yeah, YEP i. DID i went to church all the.

714
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,840
TIME i actually paid attention in My sunday school classes.

715
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,880
TOO i feel LIKE i was maybe one of the

716
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,559
only kids that was actually listening and learning a lot of.

717
00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:26,639
Speaker 2: Times, oh, well that's really. Good if that's a. Case probably,

718
00:45:26,679 --> 00:45:28,920
not Because i'm sure your brains are pouring out your

719
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,800
ear drums at that. Point but at any point did

720
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,639
you ever think about trying to rebuke?

721
00:45:33,679 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 1: It m, oh like? PRAY i did not. Know did

722
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,719
not cross my mind to ask for any sort of

723
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,960
assistance From god or or anything like.

724
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 2: That, no, well you can't be foulded for. That LIKE i,

725
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,440
said you're doing good to know your own, Name so

726
00:45:52,159 --> 00:45:58,320
that's totally, understandable it really. Is but how about after the,

727
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,559
experience did that experience to draw you even closer To,

728
00:46:01,639 --> 00:46:02,960
god or did it not make a.

729
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:06,320
Speaker 1: DIFFERENCE i would say in the grand scheme of it,

730
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,760
all it probably did not make a. DIFFERENCE i did

731
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,639
continue to go to, church AND i MEAN i went

732
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:16,280
through my confirmation classes and was confirmed in all of.

733
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,920
That and it wasn't until later in life WHERE i

734
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,960
ever started to have any second thoughts about any of.

735
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:27,000
That BUT i mean my entire, childhood you, KNOW i

736
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,320
GUESS i maybe that should have been something THAT i thought.

737
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:34,599
Of MAYBE i should have thought of telling it to

738
00:46:35,039 --> 00:46:37,400
leave in the name Of jesus or, something but it

739
00:46:37,559 --> 00:46:39,199
just wasn't a thought that crossed my.

740
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 2: Mind, well LIKE i, said you're short circuiting above the,

741
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,599
shoulders so you can't be faulted for. That do you

742
00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:49,880
think the creature that you saw that night was a

743
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:55,079
spiritual being or just a flesh and blood. ANIMAL i think.

744
00:46:54,840 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: That the dogmen that people report that people in encounter

745
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:05,239
when we are encountering, them that they are a, physical

746
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:09,599
flesh and blood. Being BUT i do firmly believe that

747
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:14,320
they are not always in this same world that we.

748
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,599
ARE i think there is somewhere else that they can,

749
00:47:17,639 --> 00:47:22,519
go if whether that's another dimension that they can step

750
00:47:22,519 --> 00:47:28,000
into or or something if they can become more spiritual in.

751
00:47:28,119 --> 00:47:31,599
NATURE i GUESS i don't. KNOW i can't speak on

752
00:47:31,639 --> 00:47:35,119
that for, certain but there are too many things to

753
00:47:35,159 --> 00:47:39,280
me that are just too odd to ignore in people's

754
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:44,360
stories of you, know if you stories of one that's

755
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,639
shot and all of a sudden it just, vanishes or

756
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:53,159
one that's you, know hit with a, car or other

757
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,679
things like, that one that walks behind a tree making

758
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,559
eye contact with somebody and once it's behind the, tree

759
00:47:59,599 --> 00:48:02,840
it's just. Vanished sort of, thing, like where are they?

760
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,320
Going where is this other place that they can just vanish?

761
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 2: TO i, Wonder, well there's so many things like that

762
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:13,719
about these guys that you just wonder. About, unfortunately we're

763
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,119
never going to have the answers to all these. Questions,

764
00:48:16,599 --> 00:48:21,960
yeah just another stage of the. Mystery, yes it, is. Unfortunately,

765
00:48:23,039 --> 00:48:26,039
yeah obviously saw its feet and you noticed how big they.

766
00:48:26,079 --> 00:48:29,119
Were but at the, time did you think about how

767
00:48:29,119 --> 00:48:31,440
big they were in comparison to the rest of its

768
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,440
body or was that just not a thought that crossed your.

769
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,519
Speaker 1: Mind, no it was not a thought that crossed my

770
00:48:37,599 --> 00:48:40,199
mind in the. MOMENT i guess the feet were probably

771
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:42,960
the least of my. CONCERNS i would SAY i was

772
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:47,239
probably much more concerned with its hulking upper body. Muscles

773
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,639
the fact that it had, hands and that it had

774
00:48:49,679 --> 00:48:51,440
a mouthful of dog.

775
00:48:51,519 --> 00:48:54,599
Speaker 2: Teeth now that makes. SENSE i, mean if it did

776
00:48:54,599 --> 00:48:56,800
come after, you then it wasn't going to hurt you

777
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:01,079
with its, feet at least not, likely, Right, YEAH i

778
00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:08,800
doubt that it would. Have please tell us more about its, Teeth, dan.

779
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,199
Speaker 1: Well very very. Much that of what it looks like

780
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,239
when you're looking at A german shepherd's, mouth you, know

781
00:49:14,519 --> 00:49:21,199
long canine, teeth pointed side teeth leading back from. THERE

782
00:49:22,599 --> 00:49:26,360
i guess just think about a really Big german shepherd

783
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,639
mouth and that's that's. It you know that you got.

784
00:49:29,679 --> 00:49:32,679
Speaker 2: It so the teeth didn't seem to be too big

785
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:34,960
for its, mouth and it didn't seem to have trouble

786
00:49:35,599 --> 00:49:38,760
closing its jaws because of its teeth being too. Big

787
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:39,400
the teeth were.

788
00:49:39,519 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 1: Proportional, YEAH i would say that they didn't seem too

789
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,320
big by any. Means, no BUT i mean they seemed

790
00:49:46,519 --> 00:49:49,920
big enough for, sure but not too big that it

791
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,239
would have struggled to shut its. MOUTH i guess.

792
00:49:55,039 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 2: Some dog men seem to have teeth that are too

793
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,039
big for its, jaws and it seems like they you

794
00:50:00,079 --> 00:50:02,960
can't close their jaws because of. That other dog men have,

795
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:06,039
teeth just like you reported there. Were they seem to

796
00:50:06,119 --> 00:50:07,000
be proportional in.

797
00:50:07,079 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 1: Size, WELL i think it's part of. It when it

798
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:15,599
was first coming, in its mouth was mostly. CLOSED i,

799
00:50:15,639 --> 00:50:18,280
mean its lips seemed like parted a little bit on

800
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,760
the sides WHERE i could see some of its teeth

801
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:22,599
on the edge of its, Mouth but just in the

802
00:50:22,679 --> 00:50:25,960
same way that like like a dog kind of when they're,

803
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:30,559
smiling if you, will you, know like any position their

804
00:50:30,559 --> 00:50:33,000
face might be in that draws their lip either up

805
00:50:33,119 --> 00:50:34,960
or down just a little tiny.

806
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,079
Speaker 2: Bit i've got to give you. Credit you sure didn't

807
00:50:38,079 --> 00:50:41,039
notice a lot of features and. DETAILS a lot of

808
00:50:41,039 --> 00:50:44,360
people when they're put in a situation like, that they're

809
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:46,679
just in so much shock they don't notice much of.

810
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:48,800
Anything so hats off.

811
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 1: Tea that's kind of a thing with, ADRENALINE i think

812
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:56,679
sometimes is it hits you in a way that slows,

813
00:50:57,119 --> 00:51:00,480
time if you. Will BUT i guess the purpose of

814
00:51:00,519 --> 00:51:03,760
that would be to gain all the information that could

815
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,159
give you the upper hand that you would, need you,

816
00:51:06,199 --> 00:51:09,599
Know so MAYBE i just was feeling my adrenaline the

817
00:51:09,599 --> 00:51:10,360
Way i'm supposed.

818
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 2: To as you, know some people can do, that then

819
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:18,000
some people. Can't it's just good that you. Can how

820
00:51:18,039 --> 00:51:19,800
long did you think that what you saw that night

821
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:23,320
was a werewolf until you were sixteen and found out

822
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:24,039
about dog? Men?

823
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. PROBABLY i THINK i probably held that firm belief

824
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,519
THAT i was looking at a werewolf up UNTIL i

825
00:51:30,599 --> 00:51:33,960
started to actually read those stories about The beast Of Bray,

826
00:51:34,039 --> 00:51:38,000
road and you, know hearing about all those same people

827
00:51:38,039 --> 00:51:40,679
that lived along that road and drove along that, road

828
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,679
all reporting this same type of creature THAT i had

829
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,320
seen and calling it a dog, man and then learning

830
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:50,079
about The michigan Dog man and other dog man stories

831
00:51:50,079 --> 00:51:53,519
from around and that for me WAS i would say

832
00:51:53,559 --> 00:51:57,119
that was very comforting at that time to realize THAT

833
00:51:57,199 --> 00:52:00,639
i was not alone in that that and that it

834
00:52:00,679 --> 00:52:02,480
didn't have to be a were. Wolf you, know THAT

835
00:52:02,559 --> 00:52:05,480
i no longer had to, wonder, like which of these

836
00:52:05,519 --> 00:52:06,239
neighbors was?

837
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:09,679
Speaker 2: It you, know were you comforted more by the fact

838
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,280
that you finally realized that so many other people had

839
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,480
had encounters with these, things these things called dog, men

840
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,880
or were you more comforted by the fact That, okay

841
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:20,320
this wasn't a were.

842
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:25,039
Speaker 1: Wolf, well, WELL i would say those are both comforting

843
00:52:25,119 --> 00:52:29,960
and pretty equal, parts you. KNOW i, mean the hunt

844
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:34,159
for a were wolf can be pretty. Stressy so that

845
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,559
was SOMETHING i was glad to not have to take

846
00:52:36,639 --> 00:52:38,440
part in in real. Life you.

847
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:42,119
Speaker 2: Know, OH i don't blame. You, yeah there's no part

848
00:52:42,119 --> 00:52:45,039
of that that would be. Good if you would have

849
00:52:45,039 --> 00:52:48,320
been your grandfather and your grandson came to you telling

850
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,199
you that he had this experience that you just told us.

851
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,920
About how would The dan that you are today handle that.

852
00:52:54,960 --> 00:53:02,039
Speaker 1: Situation, well because of WHAT i have, EXPERIENCED i would

853
00:53:02,039 --> 00:53:05,599
definitely believe a child if they came to me with these,

854
00:53:05,599 --> 00:53:09,599
stories AND i would be more than entertained by going

855
00:53:09,679 --> 00:53:14,360
to see the, proof and THAT i would take it,

856
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:19,360
SERIOUSLY i. Suppose but as somebody who hadn't already been

857
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:24,360
a witness to the, PARANORMAL i understand not being that.

858
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:30,280
Way AND i mean he is he is the kindest man.

859
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:35,800
Probably he is very soft spoken, though and he is

860
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:40,840
always on Team. Grandma i've never seen him disagree with

861
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:41,599
her stance on.

862
00:53:41,679 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 2: Anything he's a good. Man, Absolutely, yeah i'd say he.

863
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:51,159
Is he told us about that din that you. Found

864
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,320
how big was the hole that led down into?

865
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:58,800
Speaker 1: IT i, mean definitely big enough where a person could

866
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:05,159
have climbed into, it not not huge in any. Nature you.

867
00:54:05,159 --> 00:54:11,079
KNOW i wasn't looking at an eight foot tall tunnel

868
00:54:11,159 --> 00:54:14,719
leading into the. Ground so if this thing was going in,

869
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,000
there it was going in there on all, fours in

870
00:54:17,159 --> 00:54:19,880
like a crouched, stance and that's how it would have.

871
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,119
Fit but it would have been big enough in that

872
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,679
sense to encompass it down on all. FOURS i think.

873
00:54:26,519 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 2: That sure had to make the hears on your butt

874
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:32,440
stand up when you found. It oh, yeah sure would

875
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,679
have made mine stand. Up you spoke with your grandmother

876
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:39,360
just a few days ago about your. Encounter how'd that conversation?

877
00:54:39,519 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 1: Go, well it was it was. SHORT i JUST i asked,

878
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:48,840
her Because i've been thinking about it a, lot if

879
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:50,920
she remembered that time THAT i told her that a

880
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,840
werewolf came into the. House and she, said, Yes, DANIEL

881
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:57,880
i do remember, that and not really much to say

882
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,440
about it after, that you, know just kind of wiled at,

883
00:55:00,519 --> 00:55:02,440
me AND i, said, WELL i just want you to

884
00:55:02,519 --> 00:55:05,320
know THAT i wasn't lying about, that AND i still

885
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,079
think about it all the, time and My grandpa actually

886
00:55:08,159 --> 00:55:11,960
repeated my words then WHEN i said, that he, said

887
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,199
you weren't lying about, that and you still think about

888
00:55:15,199 --> 00:55:18,000
it all the, Time AND i was, like, yeah but that's.

889
00:55:18,039 --> 00:55:21,119
All the farther the conversation, went we didn't continue to

890
00:55:21,159 --> 00:55:21,639
talk about.

891
00:55:21,679 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 2: It, well it still sounds to me like you hit

892
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:25,880
the lottery when they were passing out.

893
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 1: Grandparents, yeah they're, wonderful wonderful.

894
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:34,199
Speaker 2: People, yeah they sound like. It how concerned were you

895
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:36,159
about her safety after having that?

896
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:43,639
Speaker 1: Experience you, KNOW i GUESS i never really thought about

897
00:55:43,679 --> 00:55:47,320
it too much like. That and it didn't actually harm

898
00:55:48,119 --> 00:55:53,800
me or my, cousin so and if it was one

899
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,440
of the, neighbors they were all friends with my, grandma

900
00:55:56,559 --> 00:55:59,079
so hopefully they wouldn't eat their, friend you, Know.

901
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:00,760
Speaker 2: Yeah that wouldn't be.

902
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:04,519
Speaker 1: Good, also the fact that she was like a no

903
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:08,320
nonsense sort of lady that didn't really believe in the supernatural.

904
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:11,519
ANYWAY i felt like that almost made her immune to

905
00:56:11,639 --> 00:56:15,000
a lot of, it oddly, enough like living at that

906
00:56:15,119 --> 00:56:18,280
farm for as long as she did and not having

907
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,480
experiences but not believing in. It BUT i MEAN i

908
00:56:21,519 --> 00:56:27,239
remember being i mean maybe six years, old sitting in

909
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:30,079
the dining room there hearing voices calling my name that

910
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:32,840
weren't actual people that were in the.

911
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:37,280
Speaker 2: House that's one of the strangest things about pure normal.

912
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:42,719
Phenomenon people can come visit others family members for, example

913
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,960
and the family members who live at the property never

914
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,719
have any. Experiences but you go and visit for one

915
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,800
night and have all sorts of frightening things. Happen it

916
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:54,119
really makes you wonder how that all.

917
00:56:54,159 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 1: Works, yeah maybe it's something about you, know some people

918
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:02,320
maybe are just you, know a switch is. Flipped maybe

919
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:05,719
they're more in tune to that sort of, thing or

920
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:11,440
able to see and hear and things like that what others.

921
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:17,519
CANNOT i, MEAN i often describe the smell of different paranormal,

922
00:57:17,639 --> 00:57:22,719
encounters like some spirits THAT i have met have got

923
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:27,639
a very particular smell when they are around WHERE i

924
00:57:27,639 --> 00:57:29,840
don't even have to see them yet to know that they're.

925
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,280
THERE i smell that smell AND i know what's about to.

926
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 2: Happen sounds like you're really in.

927
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 1: Tune, Yeah and because of, THAT i, have you, know

928
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:44,159
researched as much AS i, can and to this, Day

929
00:57:44,199 --> 00:57:48,119
i'm still always trying to learn and listen to other

930
00:57:48,159 --> 00:57:51,920
people's experiences with things that don't necessarily make, sense AND

931
00:57:53,159 --> 00:57:55,840
i would like to try to help people make sense of,

932
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:59,480
it if, possible at least a little bit more than

933
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:03,159
what some people people have. Got SO i guess there

934
00:58:03,199 --> 00:58:05,440
is a moral to my story, though that people should

935
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:09,280
be aware, of and that is lock your. Doors you,

936
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:13,559
know this thing turned, doorknobs it opened the doors the

937
00:58:13,639 --> 00:58:15,840
way that a human would open the. Door just lock,

938
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:19,000
them you, know cut that off at the. Source don't

939
00:58:19,079 --> 00:58:20,519
let that be a. Thing lock your.

940
00:58:20,559 --> 00:58:24,199
Speaker 2: Doors, yeah that's always really good, advice whether you have

941
00:58:24,199 --> 00:58:27,039
a dog man around or, not and never ceases to

942
00:58:27,119 --> 00:58:29,360
amaze me how many, people just because they live way

943
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:31,760
out in the, country they don't lock their doors because

944
00:58:32,199 --> 00:58:35,199
they don't think anything can happen of that sort or

945
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:39,880
foul play from burglars or people for that. Matter BUT

946
00:58:40,559 --> 00:58:43,039
i really do think you still always lock your. Doors

947
00:58:43,079 --> 00:58:45,960
but that's just. Me who AM i to tell others

948
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:46,280
how to.

949
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:49,159
Speaker 1: Live my sisters AND i were just talking about that

950
00:58:49,199 --> 00:58:52,360
the other, day that our dad never wanted to lock his,

951
00:58:52,519 --> 00:58:56,840
door or The gramma necessarily didn't at the time but does.

952
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:02,679
Now but my sisters are a door lockers every, time

953
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:04,920
whether they're at home or they're not at, home that

954
00:59:05,039 --> 00:59:05,480
door is.

955
00:59:05,639 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 2: Locked, YEAH i think that's a good. Idea what about your?

956
00:59:10,519 --> 00:59:13,159
Dad did you ever give his opinion on what happened

957
00:59:13,199 --> 00:59:13,559
to you that?

958
00:59:13,679 --> 00:59:17,519
Speaker 1: Night you, know my dad listened to my stories about

959
00:59:17,559 --> 00:59:20,880
all sorts of paranormal things that, happened including my dog

960
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:25,000
man encountered on the, farm and he he would, listen

961
00:59:25,559 --> 00:59:28,639
but he did not. Believe and WHEN i finally asked

962
00:59:28,719 --> 00:59:31,480
him why he did not, Believe i've told you all

963
00:59:31,519 --> 00:59:33,440
these stories about things that have happened to me here

964
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:35,320
on the. Farm why don't you believe? Me he, said

965
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:37,559
it's because nothing has ever happened to. Him.

966
00:59:38,519 --> 00:59:42,199
Speaker 2: Hm i'm not impressed by any, answer but, yeah you

967
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:45,199
can believe whatever he wants to. Believe it's a free.

968
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:52,400
Country did that strain your relationship with? Him?

969
00:59:53,239 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 1: Not, no not. Necessarily there were plenty of other things

970
00:59:57,039 --> 00:59:59,199
to strain that relationship later down the.

971
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 2: Road, so oh, no that's not.

972
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:05,239
Speaker 1: Good, no it is what it, is, Though so.

973
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:09,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, well there's not much you can do about, that.

974
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:13,239
Unfortunately what's about time for us to get out of, Here.

975
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:15,480
Dean but before we, do do you have any closing

976
01:00:15,519 --> 01:00:16,800
comments you want to put? Out there for.

977
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 1: Us, WELL i mean, reiterate lock the. Doors and, ALSO

978
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,760
i know it's not always possible for people to do,

979
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:30,840
this but do try at least to not stress about

980
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:32,360
things that you cannot.

981
01:00:32,519 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 2: Control that's always good. Advice easier said than, done but,

982
01:00:37,599 --> 01:00:40,039
yeah if you can do, that then you'll be so

983
01:00:40,159 --> 01:00:43,880
much further. Ahead you really. Will but having said, that

984
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,079
thanks again so much for coming on to share that

985
01:00:46,199 --> 01:00:48,400
experience with. US i really appreciate it.

986
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 1: Absolutely thanks for having. Me it has been a pleasure

987
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:54,360
being on your. SHOW i am definitely a fan And

988
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:55,960
i'm so happy to be a part of.

989
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 2: It, oh you, know you're. Welcome i'm just so glad

990
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:01,280
you know about, it and it's been great having you.

991
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:04,559
On thanks again so much for your, time and have

992
01:01:04,639 --> 01:01:05,239
a great. Night