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Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash Podcast. Tonight's guest is Dan Schmidt. Dan,
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: Hey, yeah, thanks for having me ck Well.
Speaker 2: Thanks for being here. We appreciate your time. Dan, Please
give us a brief bio on yourself.
Speaker 1: Well. I am born and raised in the southern Minnesota area.
I spent most of my teenage years on a farm
on actually the farm where my story will be taking place.
Been a very avid lover of dogs my whole life.
I have always had at least one, if not multiple dogs,
and they are usually in my company at almost all times.
I am an avid, I guess fan and researcher of
the supernatural and the paranormal in general since my encounter,
and I am a dispatcher for electric linemen in the area,
send them for outages and take information for restorals and
things like that.
Speaker 2: From what I understand, a coworker even told you that
you might be a good radio host. What's the story
behind that.
Speaker 1: One of our offices that we talked to on a
regular basis, has gotten quite familiar, and we talked back
and forth a lot about actually and yeah, I was
just told that I'm I'm their favorite call of the
day and that I could be a radio host because
my voice has that type of flow to it.
Speaker 2: Huh, you do have a distinctive voice. Got to give
it to you. You describe yourself as being a person
who's had several strange experiences in his life besides the
dog meaning the encounter that we're going to talk about,
of course, But what are the kinds of experiences have
you had?
Speaker 1: Well? I would actually consider myself kind of what I
would call a triple threat of supernatural experiences, because besides
my dog man encounter that we will talk about, I
have had a plethora of what I believe our spirits
or ghostly encounters, as well as a couple encounters with
what I think might have been extraterrestrials.
Speaker 2: Wow, you are a triple threat then, Holy cow. I've
got to ask you, Dan, at any time in your life,
have you ever played with Ouiji board?
Speaker 1: I have? Yes. Uh. Later, later teenage years we did,
and we got ourselves a little spooky conversation out of
that and ended up fleeing the house where we were
where we were doing it.
Speaker 2: Oh no, Yeah, I figured you must have. Well, let
me qualify that. I shouldn't say that I figured you
must have, but I figured there is a pretty strong
possibility that you had. Dan what I understand, you dated
a girl who had a dogman encounter just like yours
that happened inside of a home. Well more, can you
tell us about her experience?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Actually, her her experience was not too different from
my own. When I actually I suppose get into the tail,
hers would almost almost line up with it perfectly, other
than the house will be different in would be different
in her story, I guess to the house that mine
would take place in.
Speaker 2: It really does make you wonder is she dealing with
her experience as well as you are as you're dealing
with yours.
Speaker 1: I would actually say so, yes, I think that she
had done very well.
Speaker 2: Oh good, that definitely meets so alternative. You had one
of the most dramatic dog met the encounters when you're
a kid that's ever going to be shared on the
show Where are You Now? As far as your ability
to deal.
Speaker 1: With it goes, I think I am doing rather well.
It is my personal belief that things that are outside
of our control we should not stress about too much.
So even having an encounter like this, it is not
something that I went out looking for necessarily, so having
it happen to me anyway, for me is just kind
of like, what can you do? You know, at the
end of the day, you're still you and life goes on.
Speaker 2: You know, I love your mindset. If more I witnesses
thought that way, that would really help tremendously. It really
absolutely How long was it before you found out what
it was that came into the house that night to
pay you a visit?
Speaker 1: Well, I would say, so my encounter happened I believe
when I was about nine years old, I think is
how old I was. If not, I was very close
to nine years old, and I would say when I
was maybe probably fifteen or sixteen. I had been kind
of trying to learn as much about supernatural events as
possible to kind of explain some of my many encounters
that I've had, and I did start encountering I think
it actually spawned from reading stories about people's encounters with
Bigfoot that I eventually stumbled across. The stories from the
Beast of Bray Road, and I started learning that dog
Man is a cryptid that is being cited by other people,
and that it wasn't a werewolf that I saw, because
I mean, of course, you're nine years old and you
see something like that. You live your days after that
thinking that you saw legitimate werewolf. I mean, even to
the point of myself wondering who would the werewolf be?
Which of these neighbors do I need to suspect of
being a lichenthrope?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't even think about that at that age.
You would think that. So that's a really good point.
That just complicates it that much more. You deal with
it so well now, But what kinds of issues have
you had to deal with due to that encounter happening
at such a young age that you don't think you'd
have to deal with if you wouldn't have been so
young when that encounter happened.
Speaker 1: You know, because of that encounter and some of the
other encounters I've had, I would say something that is
probably different in me now that that wouldn't have been then,
and probably wouldn't be had that not happened at a
young age, is that I don't have a regular fear
response to certain things, and it can be both a
good and a bad thing. For instance, like I said,
I spend a lot of time with dogs in my
daily life, and I've helped babysit dogs for people who
have gone on vacations, and I've been in situations where
it's not uncommon for me to be hanging out with
six different dogs all at the same time. And as
everybody knows, sometimes dogs can have disagreements among themselves, and
while everybody else seems to panic in the moment, for me,
it just kind of seems like time slows down and
I'm able to step in and intervene in the dog conflict,
and I'm not afraid to put my hands like in
mouths to try to stop biting in things like that,
and it doesn't bother me. It doesn't get me worked
up like it does other people. And I think that
it all spawned from things like this happening when I
was at a young age.
Speaker 2: Well, that quality is a good one to have in
some ways and other ways I think that might get
your hurt.
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, it definitely it can delay my reactions
to certain things as well. So, like I said, it
can be both a good thing and a bad thing
because I don't react in a a lot of times,
fear is meant to preserve you, you know, So me
not having that initial reaction at the exact time that
I should sometimes makes it so I don't avoid something
that I could have avoided otherwise.
Speaker 2: Well, that would allow you to think things through, and
most people's brains would pour out of their ears. So
that right there is a pretty good self preservation quality
in a lot of ways. So I guess it's not
all bad. If you've had a dog meaning encounter that
you'd like to speak with me about, whether in private
or on the show, please go to Dogmandencounters dot com
and submit a report. All right, Dan, please tell us
about your encounter. Now, give a sir, last detail that
comes to mind.
Speaker 1: Well, I suppose I should begin by setting my stage here.
So the farm that I'm going to be talking about
has been a family farm. My grandparents had lived there
basically their whole lives. My dad was raised there and
grew up there, and eventually when my grandparents moved into town,
then my dad and I moved out to the farm
and took it over from there. So I spent a
lot of time there, even before I lived there and
then ended up being there all the time throughout my
I mean from maybe twelve years old on to eighteen
when I graduated and moved away. The farm itself is
it's not in a heavily wooded area, which I know
a lot of encounters usually are. This is farmland. I
mean there are trees and stuff around, and there are
woods relatively close, but they're not huge woods by any means.
It is right along some railroad tracks. Sometimes would see
like coyotes and stuff hanging out out on the railroad
tracks and whatnot. And we had cattle on the farm
that we raised, so we had a pasture. And the
north side of the farm now is a grove that
I helped plant. But back when this story would have
taken place, it was still a field that was being farmed.
And in this field there was this one grassy I
called it an island. It's just kind of this one
big kind of hill of grass that had been farmed
around for a time. But that actually used to be
a much larger hill many many years ago. That was
a big hill, not a field, And there was a
cemetery there, a really old cemetery, and it actually the
bodies were relocated to other local cemeteries, and the land
itself was leveled out then and moved, and the dirt
was taken elsewhere and used to fill in around places
and stuff. And so this, uh, yeah, this is the
farm where it happened. It was very well maintained. My
grandparents did a very good job. It was a very
esthetically pleasing place. I would say. The back property of
it had very very large old pine trees, like probably
hundred feet tall. I mean they were big, and I
mean a lot of them are still there today. They
are very big. But back in where these pine trees are,
this property had been inhabited for long enough that there
was actually remnants of an old sod house that had
been out there that since was not standing anymore, but
there were still things that were in the ground that
you could find with like a metal detector if you
were to go out there, for instance. So when this happened,
it would have been winter, probably around winter break. I
would say. My grandmother had had my cousin and I
come out to stay the weekend with her, and we
had had fun, you know, playing in the snow and
what not. Doing what you know kids do outside, building forts,
having snowball fights, things of that nature. And we had
had a very good, very calm, peaceful day. We came
inside later in the day, we had supper with my
grandparents and we talked and we probably watched television, though
I don't remember what we would have watched. We then
started winding down for the day, and my grandma had
brought out like a mattress that she kept on hand,
like just a small one for when kids were over,
and she made a bed and put it in the
living room on the floor, and that's where my cousin
was going to sleep. And then I had a pillow
and blanket, and I was sleeping on the couch and
we were actually like right next to each other. He
was on the floor just below where I was laying
on the couch. And we'd gone to bed at a
decent time, and I'd been I mean sleeping for some time,
I think, because I mean I imagine we probably would
have went to bed around nine maybe, And it was
about between one and two in the morning now when
I was awoken to a noise and as I heard
was the latch on the back door of the house
so it was like a screen door and then a
larger door behind it, and the latch itself was like
you know, the straight up and down with the push
button that you would use your thumb on to open
the door, like that kind of latch, And I heard
it click, and then I heard the sound of like
the spring on the door pulling as it opened, and
I thought it must be my dad. He was in
the area at an establishment earlier in the night. I
thought maybe he had decided to come stay at Grandma's
house with us too, So I didn't think too much
of the sound, but I did sit up and was like, oh,
I think my dad is about to walk in, So
I mean the excitement of a child. And I'm listening,
and I hear the second door open, the larger door,
and then the doors close, and then I hear heavy
footfall coming through the back room. Now there's another door
in between this back room and where I was, so
I couldn't see anything at this point, and the footfall
was heavy enough where I honestly thought it could have
been my dad's steeltoe boots, because I mean it it
made a sound like it was. It was a decent
footfall sound, and they came, and the steps didn't seem
abnormal by any means. It was they were coming at
a slow pace, but not too slow, not awkwardly slow.
And then I watched the doorknob round doorknob on the
door start to turn, and the door slowly opened. And granted,
there were no lights on in this room, but there
was moonlight reflecting off the snow outside shining in through
the windows, and there was more of that moonlight in
that back room when the door opened, so there was
a little bit of light that was cast from behind
what I could now see opening the door. And it
was not my dad. This thing filled the entire doorframe,
which I think was. I mean, I am six' one
now AND i have plenty of clearance still walking through that,
door SO i would say the doorframe is probably about
seven feet around in. There it's not a huge doorframe
by any. Means i've seen taller, doors but this thing
filled the whole, doorframe and it had wide set. Shoulders
the shoulders themselves were as wide as the doorframe. Was
but it was not. Human it was a hairy. Body
it was, dark dark. FUR i thought it was black,
fur but, honestly thinking about, it it could have just
been really really really dark, brown and because there was
not a whole lot of light in the, room MAYBE
i perceived it as. Black but then, again maybe it
was black kind of shaggy. FUR i would. SAY i
had A german, shepherd and she had more of like
a medium, COAT i would, Say and this thing had
for longer than, that more of like what a what
a long Haired german shepherd would have, had at least
on its upper body for, sure around the head and neck, area.
Shoulders the arms were. Long the forearms were, long WHICH
i pick up on BECAUSE i, MEAN i THINK i
have long, forearms BUT i mean not like this thing.
Did this thing had long, forearms and it had hands
like hands with. Thumbs it had opened the doors using its.
Thumbs but its face was that of A german. Shepherd
it had a wide set, Snout it had tall pointed
ears sticking up off the top of its. Head AND i,
CAN'T i, can't for the life of me say. THAT
i think its eyes were more of a yellowish but
it was really hard to tell in the darkness the
color of its. Eye AND i am actually partially red
green color, Blind so had they been some shades of.
RED i would not have been able to perceive it properly.
Anyway but this thing walks in the. Door oh, oh,
legs of. COURSE i could see its, legs and it
did have what we would call the canine style legs
with the. Hawks but its, FEET i, MEAN i didn't
see like bottoms of its feet by any, means BUT
i could see that it had the feet of a
canine with you, know paws with claws or. Whatever So
i'm looking at this thing opening the, door And i'm
nine years. Old i'm sitting on the couch in the.
DARK i am terrified of WHAT i am looking. At
and AS i, Said i'm thinking this is a were.
WOLF i think that there's a were wolf in the
house right. NOW i am looking at a, actual real
life were. Wolf where did this thing come? From how
is this? Happening it has not seen me. Yet it's
walking in and it's looking at my cousin sleeping on the.
Floor he has not woken up to these. Sounds he's
still dead, asleep and its eyes are locked on, him
and it takes a slow step, forward still looking at.
Him it is now walking through the, doorway and as
it takes its second step, forward a very slow. Step,
again it looks up along the couch and it sees
me sitting stock still on the, couch staring at. It
and we looked at each, other AND i, MEAN i
was frozen in, fear and this thing froze when it
saw me. Too so now it's the two of, us
a nine year old boy in an foot tall, monster
staring each other. DOWN i, mean for what felt like
a decent amount of. Time BUT i, mean in, reality
it probably wasn't that. Long probably wasn't more than five
or ten seconds before it started to move, again but
it felt a lot longer than that in the, moment for.
Sure so as it's looking at me without breaking eye,
contact this thing starts to reverse its motions exactly as
it stepped, in just the same movement, backwards but while
still holding eye contact with. Me it takes its two
steps slowly back towards the, door and it reaches its
long arm out and grabs the edge of the door
as it walks through, it and it closes it in
front of. It and that's what broke our eye. Contact,
finally was the door finally closing and latching. Shut and
THEN i hear the footfall of it walking at that
same speed back through the. ROOM i, mean it. Wasn't
it wasn't in a hurry to. Leave it was, leaving
but it wasn't rushing. OUT i heard the doors open.
AGAIN i heard the doors close. Again this thing closed
doors behind it like, that to me is a very human.
Characteristic to, me it seemed normal because it's a. WEREWOLF
i thought it probably is a, human you, know LIKE
i mean most days, Anyway so after it closes the
screen door finally and is, Gone i'm, LIKE i don't
know what to. Think i'm sitting there in the. Dark
i'm still. Frozen i'm just staring into the darkness at
the door where it, was thinking like this can't be,
Real like what? How how could this be? Possible what
DO i? Do like where did it come? From sort of.
Thing i'm like reeling with all these. Thoughts AND i
sat awake for most of the rest of the. NIGHT
i don't remember falling back, asleep but MAYBE i did
for a. While and when we woke up in the,
morning my cousin AND, i or when morning finally came
and my grandparents got, UP i immediately ran to my.
Grandma i'm, Like, Grandma, GRANDMA i saw. Werewolf it came
into the house last. Night it opened the, door and
it looked at my cousin on the, floor and she's,
like that can't be. Real that was a bad. Dream
you probably don't need to think about. THAT i don't
think that was. Real BUT i would not accept this
as an. ANSWER i was determined that we, know we're
going to figure this. Out this is a mystery and
we're going to solve. It so whether she believes me or,
Not i'm going to get to the bottom of. This
SO i tell my, cousin my, cousin who is my?
Age you? Know he he doesn't question WHAT i. Saw that's,
scary but, YEAH i like understand the confusion about. It
so let's try to solve the. Mystery so we put
on our, snowsuits our boots and snow pants and, coats, hats,
gloves and we march out into the frozen. Tundra and
we spent quite a while looking around the area trying
to figure out what we could use to prove that
this thing had been. There but the snow leading up
to the door that it had come through was very
heavily trafficked by. Us so it was all packed, down
and there wasn't any way it was going to be
leaving a print and snow that had been packed and
refrozen and iced up and things like that right. There
so we had to go much further back in the
property and we get back to the air THAT i
had talked about where the really really tall pine trees,
were where that sod house used to, be and, it oddly,
enough actually was in that exact same spot that the
sod house used to be THAT i found prints in the.
Snow they were canine, prints and she had a. Dog
but these prints were, huge. MONSTROUS i MEAN i have
been around big, dogs like, big big, dogs and this
thing was still like way bigger than any dog PRINT
i have ever seen, anywhere bigger than wolf, prints you,
know like even a timberwolf would not leave a print
the size of this. Print SO i did go AND
i got my grandma to tell her, that, like, no
this was, Real, grandma AND i can prove, it AND
i don't still don't think that she was able to
wrap her mind around the. Concept she shrugged it off
as so it must have just been a dog or
a coyote or something that ran through and didn't ever
attribute the size, REALLY i, think SO i didn't like.
THAT i didn't like not being taken seriously about, it
and after THAT i wanted to look around a little.
More the mystery was ever. Present SO i had walked
out through the field and to that grassy. MOUND i
had talked about the island in the, field and WHEN
i climbed up onto this, ISLAND i saw that there
was like a den if you, will dug into the earth,
there and you couldn't see it from afar when you
were looking at. It it just looked like a grassy.
Mound it was dug kind of down and then sideways
into the. Ground AND i didn't climb in there by any,
means BUT i went back in AND i, SAID i
found it's, den LIKE i know where it, lives AND
i described it to, them and once AGAIN i was
not taken. Seriously BUT i did notice that that following farm,
season that that island was plowed over and was. Gone
there was no more grassy island in the, Field there
was no more. Den SO i don't know if that
meant that my grandpa had investigated it possibly and decided
that there was something living, there and that didn't need
to be there and got rid of it or. What but,
YEAH i, GUESS i Guess i'll never really know as
far as that, goes what the reasoning for plowing over
that was if it was not me discovering the. Den but,
yeah years years, AFTERWARDS i have constantly been trying to
gain more information to try to make more sense of
the things that happened to. Me AND i, MEAN i
definitely thought it was a werewolf for a long, time
and LIKE i, said it'd cast suspicion on the neighbors and,
stuff like somebody's going to show signs that they're a.
Werewolf but nobody showed any signs that they were a were.
Wolf it's not, like you, KNOW i found a neighbor
eating hearts or anything like. That, No, no just regular
people doing regular people's. Stuff SO i did end up
discovering like The beast Of Bray road and things and
finding out that the Dog man was a reported phenomenon
like all over the, place all over the, country and
then later found out all over the. WORLD i know
that there are stories from like all over the, place
like all of the continents except Maybe, antarctica but we
don't really know what goes on In antarctica, anyway and
we probably never, will so maybe there are dog men in. It,
like who. Knows what was.
Speaker 2: The day after your, encounter like for, You, dan was
it a blur or fairly?
Speaker 1: Normal, WELL i mean it was, determination is WHAT i would.
Say my confusion and my fear had all turned INTO
I i'm not going to, Like i'm not gonna let
this be an unanswered. Thing SO i spent a majority
of that day outside in my, snowsuit, investigating trying to
find as many clues AS i. Could AND i GUESS
i had no fear of being out there, because LIKE i,
SAID i thought it was a werewolf, Anyway so the
moonlight's not shining down and whatever this thing, was it's
probably a man again, now SO i don't have anything
to worry. ABOUT i, mean for the most, PART i
would say it was a decently normal day other than,
that other than me trying to solve the paranormal.
Speaker 2: Mystery when we spoke about that encounter for the first,
TIME i didn't even think about the fact that you
thought it was a werewolf and how that would complicate,
things because that would definitely complicate.
Speaker 1: Them, yeah but at the same, time it also kind
of kind of made it made make sense in the
moment to me a little bit more BECAUSE i was a.
Kid why wouldn't the were wolf be a real? Thing you,
know there's all sorts of movies and stories about. Them
they must be, real, Right?
Speaker 2: Oh, sure you had every reason to think that. Definitely
other than the fact that you thought you were looking
at a were. Wolf what surprised you most about its? Appearance, well.
Speaker 1: Being a biped you, know like everybody talks about The
german shepherd, Face and, yeah for, sure the one The
german shepherd THAT i. Had she had a brother that
was from her same, parents and he had he was
a big, boy what very, big wide set, face and
it was it looked like, that you, know like very
much that which WHICH i associate with like male DOGS
i noticed usually have like the wider set snout structure
than most of the FEMALES i have. Encounterdooced so it
is my personal belief THAT i think this thing was a,
male BUT i GUESS i can't prove that by any.
Means you. Know, also its size and size is definitely,
intimidating filling that whole doorframe the way that it. DID i,
Mean i'd watched grown men walk through that door before
and they don't fill it like, that you, know like
that was a big.
Speaker 2: Animal there are a lot of people who wonder how
you could possibly Keep german shepherds the way you have
over the years after seeing that, dog, mean the way you,
did because so many people who have had encounters with these,
guys they're a. PORTEL A german shepherd will look at
them a certain, way especially a black, one which you've
had a certain.
Speaker 1: Way three THAT i spent the most time with we're.
Speaker 2: Black oh, sure and that's just another mind blowing, FACT
i believe. You but, yes it's just a mind blowing
fact that you haven't had any problem doing. That but
a lot of people have reported that Their german shepherd
looks at them a certain, way and they just start
having flashbacks to their. Encounters i'm glad you haven't had
any trouble with.
Speaker 1: That, YEAH i mean for, me it almost brought me,
COMFORT i, guess you, know even drawing similarities between, them
LIKE i, mean if monsters they, are you, know the
better the. Monster you, know might as well have them
on my, side you.
Speaker 2: Know, yeah that's. True that's a good way to look at.
Speaker 1: It and they are intelligent dogs, too so there are
a lot of times where they do give you a
look where you know that something is going on in that.
Head that's more than we would give credit to AND
i always appreciated that out of. Them, ACTUALLY i thought
it was almost a like a more human like trait
than a lot of other dog breeds would.
Speaker 2: Have, yeah they are really neat. DOGS i totally get
it why you like. Them did you ever notice if
it was jittery or rock solid.
Speaker 1: Like the creature? Itself, yes it did not seem to be.
Jittery AND i mean even even in our moment of eye,
contact like there was that realization in it Like i've been,
spotted and something about that made it so it wasn't
going to do what it was going to. Do whatever
it was planning on, doing it no longer was going
to do BECAUSE i was looking at. It so there
was some sort of process going, on definitely some sort
of thought process THAT i don't know if it's rules
that it abides by or a, code or if it
just didn't like being looked, at you, know but it
didn't seem jittery when it backed, away it seemed. Calm
its movements were. Slow LIKE i, said it didn't dart.
AWAY i didn't, hear you, know increased speed of footsteps
going through that back room. Again SO i don't think.
IT i don't think it was stressed out or threatened
by me in any. Way but you, know nine year
old boy sitting on a, couch frozen in, fear obviously
not much of a.
Speaker 2: Threat, oh, definitely, yeah no threat to. It, well never
know for sure what it would have done if it
never would have realized that you were watching it that.
Night but, well let me qualify, THAT i know that
it wasn't going to tie your shoelaces, Together, yeah thank.
Goodness but if you had to, bet what do you
think it would have done if you wouldn't have busted?
Speaker 1: It, WELL i, mean my instincts say that it would
be something, nefarious right that maybe it, was you, know
hoping to make a meal out of my sleeping cousin
on the floor or. Something BUT i guess we can't
really know that. EITHER i, mean there's all sorts of
varying stories about encounters with creatures like this all over the,
world and even going back into different folklores around the,
world and, LIKE i believe it's The irish who have
a belief about a very werewolf esque sort of creature
that would inhabit their area that was actually a very
good natured creature that would like bring them fish and
leave it on their windowsill so that they had something
to eat the next day sort of. Thing, Like, SO i,
mean who are we to say that they're completely?
Speaker 2: Nefarious you're talking about the Wolver, yes, yeah that's what
that legend is pertaining to In, ireland the. WOLVER i
can understand why you would think that if you wouldn't
have caught it in the, act that might have planned
to feed on your cousin maybe you as, Well but
it knew full well you watching. It that wouldn't have
done anything to stop its ability to do that if
that's what it had on its. Mind, anyway IF i
wanted to eat your cousin, you IF i wanted to
tie your shoelaces, together if it wanted to do, Whatever,
tia it could have done, it whether you were awake
watching it do it or. Not SO i can appreciate
you thinking that's what it was possibly going to, do
but it really just wouldn't make sense that's what it
had on its. Mind because if that's what it did
plan to do, initially why not go ahead and do that?
Speaker 1: STILL i don't. Know maybe it just would have been
a matter of Since i'm already, awake IF i made enough,
noise THEN i would wake up everybody else in the,
house and next thing you, know it would, have you,
know four humans and another creature like a dog or
something to contend, with and it probably just didn't didn't
feel up for that sort of. CONFLICT i guess.
Speaker 2: That's a really good, point and you might be right about.
That i'll never say that these guys are safe to be,
around because, yeah they're obviously deviant dogmen out, there just
like there are deviant animals of whatever. Species so that
just might have been what you're dealing with that. Night
we'll never going to know for. Sure but having said,
That i've spoken with more than one person who they
had a dog man come into the house with, them
and this dog men had them dead to, rights but
it never harmed. Them SO i can't help but wonder
if that wasn't the case, here that it just flat
out didn't have any intentions on harming. You we'll never get,
no but all we can.
Speaker 1: Do maybe it's something that we completely don't, understand you,
know like maybe it's some sort of you, know agenda
or custom that they hold as a species that we
know nothing about that has nothing to do with harming
the people in the house.
Speaker 2: Necessarily, yeah you make some really good, points you really.
Do how would you describe its? Eyes he said that
you think they were, Yellow but did you see them
well enough to be able to tell if it had
thinking eyes or the eyes of a wild.
Speaker 1: Animal, uh definitely did not get the sense that they
were the eyes of a wild animal very. Much, so
like like when we were holding eye, CONTACT i could
tell that it was thinking that like me making eye
contact with it was now changing this situation that it
was processing something changing because of. That in the same
way that you, know some of the dogs That i've
spent time, with you look them in the, eyes and
you can you can definitely tell that they're, thinking you,
know definitely not like just wild animal sort of.
Speaker 2: Eyes that's one of the most frightened qualities they, have
the fact that they're clearly so. Cerebral when you saw
it see, you and it, Realized, okay that kid over
here is watching. Me did you notice a change on
its face to convey a change in? Demeanor did you
see all of a sudden that it seemed to look, angry,
afraid or in the other?
Speaker 1: Emotions you, know it didn't react emotionally THAT i. Observed
it looked differently at me than it looked at my sleeping.
Cousin BUT i don't know if that could be attributed
more to because it was looking at me and now
thinking about changing what it was going to, do and
if that's WHAT i was, witnessing or if it was
just like the angle of its, gaze you, know whereas
BEFORE i would have been looking at more of the
side of its face as it looked at my, cousin
until it turned its face and looked directly at.
Speaker 2: Me you said that it looked at your cousin differently
than how it looked at. You what more can you
tell us about that.
Speaker 1: That look when it first came. In that is something
THAT i could describe as a little more like animalistic in.
Nature like, UH i watched a lot of nature and
documentaries WHEN i was a kid, too AND i saw
the look of a hunting, creature you, know like the
look on their face and to me that kind of
seemed along the lines. Up maybe not exactly the, same
but it's more similar, TO i would, say than.
Speaker 2: Not, Wow, DAN i can only imagine what must have
been going through your mind at the, time poor. Guy
that's rough when it stepped through that, doorway turned and
saw that you were watching. It how close was, it, tiya.
Speaker 1: Let's, see twelve feet MAYBE i would say about twelve.
Speaker 2: Feet, well that's pretty. Close that's waiting closer comfort it really.
Is if it was about twelve feet from, You how
close was it to your, cousin.
Speaker 1: Then he would have been maybe maybe two maybe three
feet a little bit closer to the, door but not
in the direct direction of the, door like he was
two to three feet off to my. Side so maybe
he was a foot and a half closer to it
in the grand scheme of things THAN i.
Speaker 2: Was so he was closer than you. Were, yes when
you caught it in the, act did it seem ready
to jump or was it just still? Walking?
Speaker 1: Yep, no it didn't take like a posture that it
was going to. Jump LIKE I i'm pretty good at
recognizing that after all the Time i've spent with dogs
and seeing like how their bodies, move what their legs
do sort of, Thing AND i, mean, yeah, no did
not seem like it was about to. Pounce it looked
like it would have kept walking had it not spotted
me watching. It you, know was it.
Speaker 2: Sneaking at that point when it was that close to
your cousin and, you or was it walking without any
regard for being?
Speaker 1: QUIET i remember hearing the footfall in the back, room
but once it steps through the, DOORWAY i do not
remember hearing the footfall. Anymore so it did take a
more silent step once it had entered into the actual living.
Speaker 2: Room it does make you wonder if it didn't realize
you two were there until it got to that doorway
in that's WHY i got. QUIET i heard you mentioned
how you hear the footfalls when it was backed by the,
Door but, yeah what you just said makes sense THAT
i didn't know you were there until it came to the,
door so that might be what happened. There what more
can you tell us about its leg structure that you
haven't already told? Us for, example did you ever see
if it had knee? Caps it?
Speaker 1: DID i would say femur to the knee structure would
be more like my own than like a. Dog but
then from there down it had because of, this had
longer legs than a person would, have you, know but,
yeah i'd say more more human like femur and knee
and then after that had the leg of a dog
leading to a giant paw at the.
Speaker 2: Bottom the reason WHY i asked you that is, horses, dogs,
cats animals that walk in that did you degrade fashion like,
That they don't have knee. Caps they have what are
called stifled. Joints SO i was just asking that question
because as it could have gone either way when you
consider the fact that there's kind of a crossover between
somewhat of a human like. Thigh, yeah then when you
go below the stifled joint knee, level that's when it
seems to cross over to more of a dog like leg.
Structure so that's WHY i ask you that, question to
see if you saw a knee cap or.
Speaker 1: No, Yeah AND i guess in that, SENSE i can't
say THAT i saw specifically a knee, cap BUT i
do think that the upper leg looked a lot more
similar structure to our legs than the rest of it.
Speaker 2: Did so if that's the, case then you're saying that
its thigh structure was more of a round shape and
cross section compared to how a dog's thigh or a
horse's thigh is laterally. Compressed, yes but.
Speaker 1: Very, muscular but similar in build to our. Own but very.
Speaker 2: Muscular, Oh i'm sure they. Were that's Other normally you
were awfully young back, then. Obviously but did you have any? Faith?
Speaker 1: Uh, yeah, YEP i. DID i went to church all the.
TIME i actually paid attention in My sunday school classes.
TOO i feel LIKE i was maybe one of the
only kids that was actually listening and learning a lot of.
Speaker 2: Times, oh, well that's really. Good if that's a. Case probably,
not Because i'm sure your brains are pouring out your
ear drums at that. Point but at any point did
you ever think about trying to rebuke?
Speaker 1: It m, oh like? PRAY i did not. Know did
not cross my mind to ask for any sort of
assistance From god or or anything like.
Speaker 2: That, no, well you can't be foulded for. That LIKE i,
said you're doing good to know your own, Name so
that's totally, understandable it really. Is but how about after the,
experience did that experience to draw you even closer To,
god or did it not make a.
Speaker 1: DIFFERENCE i would say in the grand scheme of it,
all it probably did not make a. DIFFERENCE i did
continue to go to, church AND i MEAN i went
through my confirmation classes and was confirmed in all of.
That and it wasn't until later in life WHERE i
ever started to have any second thoughts about any of.
That BUT i mean my entire, childhood you, KNOW i
GUESS i maybe that should have been something THAT i thought.
Of MAYBE i should have thought of telling it to
leave in the name Of jesus or, something but it
just wasn't a thought that crossed my.
Speaker 2: Mind, well LIKE i, said you're short circuiting above the,
shoulders so you can't be faulted for. That do you
think the creature that you saw that night was a
spiritual being or just a flesh and blood. ANIMAL i think.
Speaker 1: That the dogmen that people report that people in encounter
when we are encountering, them that they are a, physical
flesh and blood. Being BUT i do firmly believe that
they are not always in this same world that we.
ARE i think there is somewhere else that they can,
go if whether that's another dimension that they can step
into or or something if they can become more spiritual in.
NATURE i GUESS i don't. KNOW i can't speak on
that for, certain but there are too many things to
me that are just too odd to ignore in people's
stories of you, know if you stories of one that's
shot and all of a sudden it just, vanishes or
one that's you, know hit with a, car or other
things like, that one that walks behind a tree making
eye contact with somebody and once it's behind the, tree
it's just. Vanished sort of, thing, like where are they?
Going where is this other place that they can just vanish?
Speaker 2: TO i, Wonder, well there's so many things like that
about these guys that you just wonder. About, unfortunately we're
never going to have the answers to all these. Questions,
yeah just another stage of the. Mystery, yes it, is. Unfortunately,
yeah obviously saw its feet and you noticed how big they.
Were but at the, time did you think about how
big they were in comparison to the rest of its
body or was that just not a thought that crossed your.
Speaker 1: Mind, no it was not a thought that crossed my
mind in the. MOMENT i guess the feet were probably
the least of my. CONCERNS i would SAY i was
probably much more concerned with its hulking upper body. Muscles
the fact that it had, hands and that it had
a mouthful of dog.
Speaker 2: Teeth now that makes. SENSE i, mean if it did
come after, you then it wasn't going to hurt you
with its, feet at least not, likely, Right, YEAH i
doubt that it would. Have please tell us more about its, Teeth, dan.
Speaker 1: Well very very. Much that of what it looks like
when you're looking at A german shepherd's, mouth you, know
long canine, teeth pointed side teeth leading back from. THERE
i guess just think about a really Big german shepherd
mouth and that's that's. It you know that you got.
Speaker 2: It so the teeth didn't seem to be too big
for its, mouth and it didn't seem to have trouble
closing its jaws because of its teeth being too. Big
the teeth were.
Speaker 1: Proportional, YEAH i would say that they didn't seem too
big by any. Means, no BUT i mean they seemed
big enough for, sure but not too big that it
would have struggled to shut its. MOUTH i guess.
Speaker 2: Some dog men seem to have teeth that are too
big for its, jaws and it seems like they you
can't close their jaws because of. That other dog men have,
teeth just like you reported there. Were they seem to
be proportional in.
Speaker 1: Size, WELL i think it's part of. It when it
was first coming, in its mouth was mostly. CLOSED i,
mean its lips seemed like parted a little bit on
the sides WHERE i could see some of its teeth
on the edge of its, Mouth but just in the
same way that like like a dog kind of when they're,
smiling if you, will you, know like any position their
face might be in that draws their lip either up
or down just a little tiny.
Speaker 2: Bit i've got to give you. Credit you sure didn't
notice a lot of features and. DETAILS a lot of
people when they're put in a situation like, that they're
just in so much shock they don't notice much of.
Anything so hats off.
Speaker 1: Tea that's kind of a thing with, ADRENALINE i think
sometimes is it hits you in a way that slows,
time if you. Will BUT i guess the purpose of
that would be to gain all the information that could
give you the upper hand that you would, need you,
Know so MAYBE i just was feeling my adrenaline the
Way i'm supposed.
Speaker 2: To as you, know some people can do, that then
some people. Can't it's just good that you. Can how
long did you think that what you saw that night
was a werewolf until you were sixteen and found out
about dog? Men?
Speaker 1: Yeah. PROBABLY i THINK i probably held that firm belief
THAT i was looking at a werewolf up UNTIL i
started to actually read those stories about The beast Of Bray,
road and you, know hearing about all those same people
that lived along that road and drove along that, road
all reporting this same type of creature THAT i had
seen and calling it a dog, man and then learning
about The michigan Dog man and other dog man stories
from around and that for me WAS i would say
that was very comforting at that time to realize THAT
i was not alone in that that and that it
didn't have to be a were. Wolf you, know THAT
i no longer had to, wonder, like which of these
neighbors was?
Speaker 2: It you, know were you comforted more by the fact
that you finally realized that so many other people had
had encounters with these, things these things called dog, men
or were you more comforted by the fact That, okay
this wasn't a were.
Speaker 1: Wolf, well, WELL i would say those are both comforting
and pretty equal, parts you. KNOW i, mean the hunt
for a were wolf can be pretty. Stressy so that
was SOMETHING i was glad to not have to take
part in in real. Life you.
Speaker 2: Know, OH i don't blame. You, yeah there's no part
of that that would be. Good if you would have
been your grandfather and your grandson came to you telling
you that he had this experience that you just told us.
About how would The dan that you are today handle that.
Speaker 1: Situation, well because of WHAT i have, EXPERIENCED i would
definitely believe a child if they came to me with these,
stories AND i would be more than entertained by going
to see the, proof and THAT i would take it,
SERIOUSLY i. Suppose but as somebody who hadn't already been
a witness to the, PARANORMAL i understand not being that.
Way AND i mean he is he is the kindest man.
Probably he is very soft spoken, though and he is
always on Team. Grandma i've never seen him disagree with
her stance on.
Speaker 2: Anything he's a good. Man, Absolutely, yeah i'd say he.
Is he told us about that din that you. Found
how big was the hole that led down into?
Speaker 1: IT i, mean definitely big enough where a person could
have climbed into, it not not huge in any. Nature you.
KNOW i wasn't looking at an eight foot tall tunnel
leading into the. Ground so if this thing was going in,
there it was going in there on all, fours in
like a crouched, stance and that's how it would have.
Fit but it would have been big enough in that
sense to encompass it down on all. FOURS i think.
Speaker 2: That sure had to make the hears on your butt
stand up when you found. It oh, yeah sure would
have made mine stand. Up you spoke with your grandmother
just a few days ago about your. Encounter how'd that conversation?
Speaker 1: Go, well it was it was. SHORT i JUST i asked,
her Because i've been thinking about it a, lot if
she remembered that time THAT i told her that a
werewolf came into the. House and she, said, Yes, DANIEL
i do remember, that and not really much to say
about it after, that you, know just kind of wiled at,
me AND i, said, WELL i just want you to
know THAT i wasn't lying about, that AND i still
think about it all the, time and My grandpa actually
repeated my words then WHEN i said, that he, said
you weren't lying about, that and you still think about
it all the, Time AND i was, like, yeah but that's.
All the farther the conversation, went we didn't continue to
talk about.
Speaker 2: It, well it still sounds to me like you hit
the lottery when they were passing out.
Speaker 1: Grandparents, yeah they're, wonderful wonderful.
Speaker 2: People, yeah they sound like. It how concerned were you
about her safety after having that?
Speaker 1: Experience you, KNOW i GUESS i never really thought about
it too much like. That and it didn't actually harm
me or my, cousin so and if it was one
of the, neighbors they were all friends with my, grandma
so hopefully they wouldn't eat their, friend you, Know.
Speaker 2: Yeah that wouldn't be.
Speaker 1: Good, also the fact that she was like a no
nonsense sort of lady that didn't really believe in the supernatural.
ANYWAY i felt like that almost made her immune to
a lot of, it oddly, enough like living at that
farm for as long as she did and not having
experiences but not believing in. It BUT i MEAN i
remember being i mean maybe six years, old sitting in
the dining room there hearing voices calling my name that
weren't actual people that were in the.
Speaker 2: House that's one of the strangest things about pure normal.
Phenomenon people can come visit others family members for, example
and the family members who live at the property never
have any. Experiences but you go and visit for one
night and have all sorts of frightening things. Happen it
really makes you wonder how that all.
Speaker 1: Works, yeah maybe it's something about you, know some people
maybe are just you, know a switch is. Flipped maybe
they're more in tune to that sort of, thing or
able to see and hear and things like that what others.
CANNOT i, MEAN i often describe the smell of different paranormal,
encounters like some spirits THAT i have met have got
a very particular smell when they are around WHERE i
don't even have to see them yet to know that they're.
THERE i smell that smell AND i know what's about to.
Speaker 2: Happen sounds like you're really in.
Speaker 1: Tune, Yeah and because of, THAT i, have you, know
researched as much AS i, can and to this, Day
i'm still always trying to learn and listen to other
people's experiences with things that don't necessarily make, sense AND
i would like to try to help people make sense of,
it if, possible at least a little bit more than
what some people people have. Got SO i guess there
is a moral to my story, though that people should
be aware, of and that is lock your. Doors you,
know this thing turned, doorknobs it opened the doors the
way that a human would open the. Door just lock,
them you, know cut that off at the. Source don't
let that be a. Thing lock your.
Speaker 2: Doors, yeah that's always really good, advice whether you have
a dog man around or, not and never ceases to
amaze me how many, people just because they live way
out in the, country they don't lock their doors because
they don't think anything can happen of that sort or
foul play from burglars or people for that. Matter BUT
i really do think you still always lock your. Doors
but that's just. Me who AM i to tell others
how to.
Speaker 1: Live my sisters AND i were just talking about that
the other, day that our dad never wanted to lock his,
door or The gramma necessarily didn't at the time but does.
Now but my sisters are a door lockers every, time
whether they're at home or they're not at, home that
door is.
Speaker 2: Locked, YEAH i think that's a good. Idea what about your?
Dad did you ever give his opinion on what happened
to you that?
Speaker 1: Night you, know my dad listened to my stories about
all sorts of paranormal things that, happened including my dog
man encountered on the, farm and he he would, listen
but he did not. Believe and WHEN i finally asked
him why he did not, Believe i've told you all
these stories about things that have happened to me here
on the. Farm why don't you believe? Me he, said
it's because nothing has ever happened to. Him.
Speaker 2: Hm i'm not impressed by any, answer but, yeah you
can believe whatever he wants to. Believe it's a free.
Country did that strain your relationship with? Him?
Speaker 1: Not, no not. Necessarily there were plenty of other things
to strain that relationship later down the.
Speaker 2: Road, so oh, no that's not.
Speaker 1: Good, no it is what it, is, Though so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well there's not much you can do about, that.
Unfortunately what's about time for us to get out of, Here.
Dean but before we, do do you have any closing
comments you want to put? Out there for.
Speaker 1: Us, WELL i mean, reiterate lock the. Doors and, ALSO
i know it's not always possible for people to do,
this but do try at least to not stress about
things that you cannot.
Speaker 2: Control that's always good. Advice easier said than, done but,
yeah if you can do, that then you'll be so
much further. Ahead you really. Will but having said, that
thanks again so much for coming on to share that
experience with. US i really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Absolutely thanks for having. Me it has been a pleasure
being on your. SHOW i am definitely a fan And
i'm so happy to be a part of.
Speaker 2: It, oh you, know you're. Welcome i'm just so glad
you know about, it and it's been great having you.
On thanks again so much for your, time and have
a great. Night