WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:05.040 You see, something's going to happen. 2 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:10.599 What's going to happen? 3 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:15.519 What? 4 00:00:24.480 --> 00:00:29.160 Welcome to the Occult Rejects. This episode will be continuing 5 00:00:29.199 --> 00:00:32.039 on the Kabala Talk that me and Frida Jin the 6 00:00:32.119 --> 00:00:33.079 Ninja we're doing. 7 00:00:33.200 --> 00:00:35.399 UH started off already. 8 00:00:35.000 --> 00:00:38.920 With Uh Catherine Chokla, and we will be continuing today 9 00:00:38.920 --> 00:00:41.520 with Donna and doth and we will be we will 10 00:00:41.560 --> 00:00:45.079 be adding somebody else at the show, hopefully even continuing 11 00:00:45.079 --> 00:00:45.880 the series with us. 12 00:00:46.399 --> 00:00:49.119 We got mat with us uh before we get to 13 00:00:49.200 --> 00:00:49.679 mad Jin. 14 00:00:50.439 --> 00:00:52.159 Let everybody know, just in case they don't know who 15 00:00:52.159 --> 00:00:54.439 you are already where they can find all your amazing work. 16 00:00:55.520 --> 00:00:57.880 Sure well, thank you boss, Thank you, mister Andy three. 17 00:00:57.960 --> 00:01:00.520 And then of course I have I'm with Matt. So 18 00:01:00.600 --> 00:01:05.519 I'm so excited because Matt is a content creator and 19 00:01:05.760 --> 00:01:09.000 also co hosts with me in the Gray Lodge, and 20 00:01:09.079 --> 00:01:12.799 he also runs the Gray Lodge YouTube channel, and so 21 00:01:13.480 --> 00:01:16.000 he's been an incredible person to get to know and 22 00:01:16.040 --> 00:01:18.840 I'm really lucky. So I just want to say that 23 00:01:18.959 --> 00:01:21.040 first of all, but if people want to follow me, 24 00:01:21.120 --> 00:01:22.959 they can actually listen to Matt and I on the 25 00:01:23.040 --> 00:01:26.959 latest episode of Threshold Saints, episode sixty five, which is 26 00:01:27.159 --> 00:01:31.480 Love and K pop, which is about Matt's idea, which 27 00:01:31.519 --> 00:01:36.200 is pop Cabala. So using anime, video games, and pop 28 00:01:36.239 --> 00:01:39.760 culture just generally music as a kind of hermeneutic to 29 00:01:39.959 --> 00:01:42.879 understand Cabala. So this is also something that I do 30 00:01:42.959 --> 00:01:45.120 on my show. I call it something a little different, 31 00:01:45.159 --> 00:01:47.359 but I do. I told Matt that I was sealing 32 00:01:47.480 --> 00:01:50.799 pop Cabala, so I will. And so we also have 33 00:01:50.840 --> 00:01:55.079 a Gray Lodge space tonight, a data record. It's Friday, 34 00:01:55.719 --> 00:01:59.159 August eighth, and so if you're interested in hearing Matt 35 00:01:59.159 --> 00:02:05.000 and I and Solar Manty the Branch Branch, Joseph Reid 36 00:02:05.079 --> 00:02:09.039 and Mike, if you're interested in hearing the seven of 37 00:02:09.120 --> 00:02:14.240 us discourse about cabala, about meta politics, about meta magic, 38 00:02:14.680 --> 00:02:17.439 then that is the place for you. So come follow 39 00:02:17.520 --> 00:02:19.919 us both on Twitter and you'll see the spaces. And 40 00:02:19.960 --> 00:02:21.159 thank you guys so much. 41 00:02:22.319 --> 00:02:25.680 No, thank you for joining us. I really appreciate it. 42 00:02:27.000 --> 00:02:29.919 And uh, first time on the show, and we will 43 00:02:29.919 --> 00:02:32.400 have to get them on probably just separ lated, you know, 44 00:02:33.039 --> 00:02:34.319 kick it with us and talk some ship. 45 00:02:35.039 --> 00:02:37.439 But we got Matt. So, Matt, how do you say 46 00:02:37.439 --> 00:02:38.240 your last name again? 47 00:02:38.319 --> 00:02:38.520 More? 48 00:02:38.879 --> 00:02:40.680 I don't want to fuck it up. It already did. 49 00:02:41.240 --> 00:02:45.159 Yeah you can say moat it would be Moda, but yeah, 50 00:02:45.159 --> 00:02:46.120 pretty much thinking. 51 00:02:46.199 --> 00:02:48.240 And you're you're over in Italy right now. 52 00:02:48.159 --> 00:02:52.479 Right, yes, speaking from that is awesome. 53 00:02:53.759 --> 00:02:57.319 I'm hoping to be going there eventually soon myself. That 54 00:02:57.400 --> 00:03:00.360 is great stuff. Nice, nice, good for you. Please let 55 00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:03.280 everybody know what your deal is, you know what your 56 00:03:03.280 --> 00:03:05.319 thing is, where they can find you, you know, get 57 00:03:05.319 --> 00:03:06.159 a little introduction. 58 00:03:06.599 --> 00:03:08.080 Don't worry about spending too much line. 59 00:03:09.120 --> 00:03:11.319 First of all, thanks a lot Nick for calling and 60 00:03:11.479 --> 00:03:14.120 Gin as well for the bridge. So very healthy to 61 00:03:14.199 --> 00:03:17.039 be here, sell some shows before and very cool stuff. 62 00:03:17.520 --> 00:03:22.639 So I'm at Mora, you know, talk about Kabbala, astrology, tyrot, numerology, 63 00:03:22.719 --> 00:03:27.120 all the stuff related. You can find me on Twitter, Instagram, 64 00:03:27.159 --> 00:03:31.199 YouTube always at met Mora nineteen and there's also my 65 00:03:31.240 --> 00:03:34.520 website Kabala dot com. It's written a little bit differently, 66 00:03:34.560 --> 00:03:37.879 but we're probably going to show here afterwards. And yeah, 67 00:03:37.919 --> 00:03:40.199 I mean talk about a bunch of crazy stuff, but 68 00:03:40.360 --> 00:03:42.000 that's what I like. So if you like that as well, 69 00:03:42.159 --> 00:03:43.560 make sure to follow me there. 70 00:03:43.800 --> 00:03:48.360 Awesome, awesome, And yeah, I mean obviously is that you're 71 00:03:48.439 --> 00:03:49.919 on here, you're big into the Cabala. 72 00:03:49.919 --> 00:03:50.719 I would assume right. 73 00:03:53.360 --> 00:03:55.639 Yeah, exactly, that's what I was initiated in, and the 74 00:03:55.680 --> 00:03:58.400 one that it's like the foundation for all the other systems. 75 00:03:58.439 --> 00:04:01.840 So when I talk about astrology, he talking about astrology 76 00:04:02.199 --> 00:04:03.159 with lens. 77 00:04:04.080 --> 00:04:07.919 Yes, yes, I would have to say it's probably maybe 78 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:10.240 Jan could even like verify more than I could, because 79 00:04:10.240 --> 00:04:13.719 he probably sees how I look at it. But and 80 00:04:13.759 --> 00:04:15.199 I'm just used to looking at it like this and 81 00:04:15.240 --> 00:04:17.399 don't even realize it. I think probably the same thing 82 00:04:17.439 --> 00:04:19.879 with me. I think I tend to just always look 83 00:04:19.879 --> 00:04:22.000 at something how it fits on the cabala or the 84 00:04:22.000 --> 00:04:23.040 harmatic cabala. 85 00:04:23.759 --> 00:04:26.360 I don't think I can. To me, it just makes 86 00:04:26.360 --> 00:04:27.759 the most sense to do it like that. 87 00:04:28.720 --> 00:04:30.079 Yeah, exactly, it's the same. 88 00:04:30.519 --> 00:04:30.959 How long? 89 00:04:31.079 --> 00:04:31.759 Uh? 90 00:04:32.240 --> 00:04:33.639 How old are you? If you don't mind me asking? 91 00:04:34.639 --> 00:04:37.759 Yeah, I mean the face doesn't doesn't make it clear. 92 00:04:37.879 --> 00:04:39.480 But three right now? 93 00:04:40.240 --> 00:04:41.600 Holy shit, I did think you were young. 94 00:04:44.079 --> 00:04:46.720 He's our baby brother in the launch. I always feel 95 00:04:46.800 --> 00:04:51.920 like responsibility. I can never, you know, say anything too wilder. 96 00:04:55.120 --> 00:04:59.680 You just the next TikTok TikTok generation. 97 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:03.759 Yeah. I don't know if he was ready ready yet 98 00:05:03.839 --> 00:05:04.920 to come on deal with me. 99 00:05:05.120 --> 00:05:10.399 Fuck, it's just this character you know. 100 00:05:10.519 --> 00:05:14.439 Yeah, So who were you, like twelve when you got 101 00:05:14.480 --> 00:05:15.160 into this ship. 102 00:05:16.360 --> 00:05:20.560 So you know it's actually I'm in itly right now. 103 00:05:20.560 --> 00:05:22.319 But I'm from Brazil, So in Brazil we have a 104 00:05:22.360 --> 00:05:22.800 lot of. 105 00:05:22.839 --> 00:05:25.480 Oh yeah, that place is fucking loaded with ship. 106 00:05:26.319 --> 00:05:27.000 Yeah exactly. 107 00:05:27.040 --> 00:05:30.399 So I'll say my family helped a lot in the 108 00:05:30.439 --> 00:05:33.399 sense of letting me know this kind of stuff. So 109 00:05:33.839 --> 00:05:37.000 I was skeptic at first, not about Cabala necessarily, but 110 00:05:37.040 --> 00:05:41.199 like spiritually spirituality in general, right, but my family kind 111 00:05:41.199 --> 00:05:44.160 of made it easier for me to double along. I'll 112 00:05:44.199 --> 00:05:47.480 say fifteen years when I was when I started actually studying, 113 00:05:47.720 --> 00:05:51.319 like okay, let me try and see this without this skepticism, 114 00:05:52.040 --> 00:05:54.120 and I was. I got initiated I think three years 115 00:05:54.120 --> 00:05:57.040 ago in this Cabala system that I use. So before 116 00:05:57.040 --> 00:05:58.759 I was studying by myself, but then I got a 117 00:05:58.759 --> 00:06:00.639 proper master and so on and so on, and then 118 00:06:00.680 --> 00:06:04.399 it's a a game changer. Really, So I'll say like 119 00:06:04.439 --> 00:06:08.680 three years initiated practicing this system that I'm using, but 120 00:06:08.800 --> 00:06:13.199 it's studying since fifteen years old, so eight eight years now, yeah, 121 00:06:13.240 --> 00:06:14.079 eight nine years. 122 00:06:15.240 --> 00:06:18.439 And you said I guess, like I mean, it was 123 00:06:18.439 --> 00:06:19.199 just like I guess. 124 00:06:19.199 --> 00:06:22.040 Family or friends were kind of like, we're into this already, 125 00:06:22.040 --> 00:06:23.519 and that's where you were kind of influenced by. 126 00:06:23.680 --> 00:06:24.800 Did you find it like yourself? 127 00:06:26.160 --> 00:06:31.360 Yeah, so my family was very big into like spiritualism 128 00:06:32.240 --> 00:06:36.000 or spiritism sorry, spiritism in Brazil, which is big there. 129 00:06:36.639 --> 00:06:40.720 So there's like very very minute different branches and one 130 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:43.279 or other things that are kind of related, you know, 131 00:06:43.519 --> 00:06:45.279 because in Brazil and there's a lot of mixture. There's 132 00:06:45.279 --> 00:06:48.199 like Japanese stuff with like African stuff with native stuff 133 00:06:48.240 --> 00:06:50.600 with like Christian stuff is like everything, you know, mixed. 134 00:06:51.319 --> 00:06:53.800 So I'd say they gave me some kind of way 135 00:06:53.839 --> 00:06:56.199 to start because I would hear the stories. So then 136 00:06:56.240 --> 00:06:57.560 I would be curtzy, you know, what the fuck are 137 00:06:57.600 --> 00:07:00.160 they talking about? You know, some past life for some 138 00:07:00.800 --> 00:07:03.519 person that already died, but somehow they're interacting with them, 139 00:07:03.639 --> 00:07:04.079 Like what. 140 00:07:03.959 --> 00:07:04.360 The fuck is do? 141 00:07:04.399 --> 00:07:04.560 I know? 142 00:07:05.120 --> 00:07:08.439 But I would always be skeptical At first. I was like, no, 143 00:07:08.480 --> 00:07:10.519 you know what are you talking about? Because I wouldn't 144 00:07:10.519 --> 00:07:14.360 have the experiences. But yeah, at least being in Brazil 145 00:07:14.439 --> 00:07:16.439 gave me a lot of possibilities to search for this. 146 00:07:17.079 --> 00:07:19.759 Like it's very people talk about it. It's kind of common, 147 00:07:19.839 --> 00:07:22.240 like even people which are like very strict you know, 148 00:07:22.360 --> 00:07:25.000 Catholic or Christians day. They will talk about it, so 149 00:07:25.240 --> 00:07:27.560 you'll hear about it. It's not gonna be very foreign. 150 00:07:27.759 --> 00:07:30.519 I feel like in Italy or let's say European in general, 151 00:07:31.240 --> 00:07:34.920 now since I came, it's it's like very different people 152 00:07:34.920 --> 00:07:37.199 are more used to the traditional things, that is, the 153 00:07:37.240 --> 00:07:39.759 ones that I interacted with. I don't know, like maybe 154 00:07:39.759 --> 00:07:45.279 I'm not in the correct groups, but it feels like 155 00:07:45.319 --> 00:07:47.279 it's harder to talk about these things or they are 156 00:07:47.279 --> 00:07:49.519 coming up to some ideas which we are talking about 157 00:07:49.519 --> 00:07:54.160 in Brazil, like for so long already. The environment definitely. 158 00:07:53.920 --> 00:07:59.360 Helped, Yeah, I think I yeah, Brazil trees. Honestly, I 159 00:07:59.360 --> 00:08:01.519 think if anybody to start a cult, just go to Brazil. 160 00:08:02.319 --> 00:08:05.439 Yeah, exactly, definitely make it. If you got the money to, 161 00:08:05.519 --> 00:08:06.879 you know, go over to Brazil. You got it. 162 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:07.120 Man. 163 00:08:07.839 --> 00:08:10.439 It's a double edged story because there's a lot of 164 00:08:10.480 --> 00:08:13.040 serious people there and doing like good mercy. There's a 165 00:08:13.079 --> 00:08:17.199 lot of then like I called him, schizoterism, you know, 166 00:08:17.399 --> 00:08:18.360 like there's a lot of skitz. 167 00:08:19.079 --> 00:08:21.519 Have you real quick, and then we'll get into the 168 00:08:21.560 --> 00:08:27.399 actual topics like what we're going to talk about. If 169 00:08:27.399 --> 00:08:29.519 you don't want Matt. Have you ever heard of the 170 00:08:29.639 --> 00:08:32.039 Valley of the Dawn. It's a it's a cult out 171 00:08:32.080 --> 00:08:32.559 in Brazil. 172 00:08:34.519 --> 00:08:34.879 Let me see. 173 00:08:35.159 --> 00:08:37.639 Yeah yeah maybe yeah, Value of the Value of the Dawn. 174 00:08:37.759 --> 00:08:39.039 There is like a name for. 175 00:08:40.639 --> 00:08:42.879 Yeah, okay, with the thing. 176 00:08:44.519 --> 00:08:45.240 There in Brazil. 177 00:08:46.039 --> 00:08:48.120 There's a lot of crazy been talking about covered. 178 00:08:47.919 --> 00:08:49.840 That the last three years. Maybe it will happen. 179 00:08:49.960 --> 00:08:50.159 Yeah. 180 00:08:50.279 --> 00:08:53.279 There was a guy I think like in English would 181 00:08:53.279 --> 00:08:55.000 be Joan of God or something like that, like he 182 00:08:55.200 --> 00:08:56.559 used to like Oprah. 183 00:08:59.759 --> 00:09:04.720 Yeah, yeah, tell anybody wants to start a weird stuff, Yeah, 184 00:09:05.159 --> 00:09:06.600 you can make it. 185 00:09:08.480 --> 00:09:11.600 Okay, I'm not being shady, But there is something funny 186 00:09:11.600 --> 00:09:15.480 about this is that a lot of modern a lot 187 00:09:15.559 --> 00:09:17.360 of guests that we've had, that you've had on this 188 00:09:17.440 --> 00:09:20.360 show probably have been there at are modern magicians. They're 189 00:09:20.399 --> 00:09:22.840 really into fucking Kimbanda. This is something Madden and I 190 00:09:22.840 --> 00:09:25.159 have talked about, like very extensively for like a year 191 00:09:25.159 --> 00:09:28.960 almost is like this interest in like modern Kimbanda and 192 00:09:29.240 --> 00:09:31.919 what it means for modern magic in general, and like 193 00:09:32.039 --> 00:09:36.120 why why in particular Kimbanda. I just think it's interesting 194 00:09:36.279 --> 00:09:38.679 And then they'll say, oh, I'm a shaman, Okay, you're 195 00:09:38.720 --> 00:09:41.360 a shaman, but you're also practicing kimbanda, so you're not 196 00:09:41.440 --> 00:09:42.000 quite a shaman. 197 00:09:42.039 --> 00:09:44.120 I don't even what is that. I don't tell you. 198 00:09:44.559 --> 00:09:49.360 Hand it's like left hand path usually mixture with like African. 199 00:09:49.440 --> 00:09:51.480 Uh spiritual spiritual stuff. 200 00:09:51.360 --> 00:09:56.159 But also like Native Native Latin American and like they 201 00:09:56.159 --> 00:09:58.200 always mix some stuff, but it's very like left handed. 202 00:09:58.480 --> 00:10:00.759 The reason I wanted to cover that cult that I 203 00:10:00.840 --> 00:10:05.480 promise we'll get to do the Cabalah. They they are 204 00:10:05.519 --> 00:10:08.320 another ones thinking like aliens are coming, you know, usual, 205 00:10:09.080 --> 00:10:11.159 and so like those always just assumed like there's gotta 206 00:10:11.159 --> 00:10:14.320 be a scam out of somewhere and you know, or 207 00:10:14.360 --> 00:10:17.720 an actual real occult is somewhere that's duping people. And 208 00:10:17.799 --> 00:10:19.639 like I was going through like all these sites and 209 00:10:19.679 --> 00:10:21.519 just looking at their pictures and shit, you know, and 210 00:10:21.519 --> 00:10:23.600 I'm like starting to collect stuff because I was like, yeah, 211 00:10:23.600 --> 00:10:25.080 I think at this point i'll cover them. You know 212 00:10:25.120 --> 00:10:27.399 again three years ago, still have the folder. I haven't 213 00:10:27.440 --> 00:10:30.759 covered them, but I was looking at this shit and 214 00:10:30.879 --> 00:10:33.679 like I think National Geographic even did something on them. 215 00:10:34.000 --> 00:10:36.480 So like these had good quality pictures and there was 216 00:10:36.519 --> 00:10:38.440 one that I was like it was like showing like 217 00:10:38.440 --> 00:10:40.639 it's some Egyptian set up, and like in the middle 218 00:10:40.679 --> 00:10:42.519 of it was like it was like a cut open 219 00:10:42.559 --> 00:10:45.919 you could walk in, and then there's like this drape 220 00:10:46.120 --> 00:10:48.039 that's hanging from the ceiling and it looks like this 221 00:10:48.240 --> 00:10:50.159 like circular cushioned. 222 00:10:49.679 --> 00:10:50.960 Seat in the middle of it. 223 00:10:51.000 --> 00:10:52.399 But it just looks like that's kind of like in 224 00:10:52.440 --> 00:10:55.120 the background, just hanging out there. I don't know what 225 00:10:55.159 --> 00:10:57.159 it was, and it was probably stone to some shit. 226 00:10:57.639 --> 00:10:59.399 And I was like, looking at the picture, I was like, Yo, 227 00:10:59.480 --> 00:11:02.200 it looks like this somebody in there, and I assumed 228 00:11:02.200 --> 00:11:04.200 that thing open and I'm like, yo, there's a motherfucker 229 00:11:04.200 --> 00:11:06.000 in there with the Astra margentum robe on. 230 00:11:06.679 --> 00:11:11.360 I was like, oh, here we go. Now I know 231 00:11:11.399 --> 00:11:12.320 what the fuck is going on. 232 00:11:12.480 --> 00:11:14.720 That's why everything looks like it's golden dawn and Oto 233 00:11:14.840 --> 00:11:15.600 style over there. 234 00:11:16.639 --> 00:11:18.559 Makes sense now I know who's making money. 235 00:11:19.480 --> 00:11:23.000 Yeah, I cannot speak for those guys. I don't I 236 00:11:23.000 --> 00:11:26.320 didn't double that much on them. But there is definitely 237 00:11:26.360 --> 00:11:28.960 a lot of like siops right now there in Brazil, 238 00:11:29.000 --> 00:11:31.440 like a lot of stuff they cook there because there's 239 00:11:31.480 --> 00:11:33.399 also a lot of people in there open to this, 240 00:11:33.559 --> 00:11:36.000 so they'll test is like test grounds you know, for 241 00:11:36.080 --> 00:11:40.360 the special like especially also with the you know, uh 242 00:11:40.879 --> 00:11:41.799 because in Brazil if. 243 00:11:41.759 --> 00:11:43.480 It works, yeah, we'll bring it over to America. 244 00:11:44.240 --> 00:11:46.840 Yeah, I Auska's sleep of in Brazil, so you can 245 00:11:46.840 --> 00:11:51.200 actually use it in like uh ritualistic or spiritual setting 246 00:11:51.720 --> 00:11:54.559 and also much rooms. So again it's very easy to 247 00:11:54.919 --> 00:11:57.720 like start something and then you put people into this 248 00:11:57.799 --> 00:12:00.919 kind of stuff and don't knows what comes from there, 249 00:12:00.919 --> 00:12:03.679 you know, so you've got our ready to know how 250 00:12:03.720 --> 00:12:06.559 to filter out the I'll say anywhere. 251 00:12:06.600 --> 00:12:08.000 But they're especially like. 252 00:12:09.960 --> 00:12:12.320 All right, so now we're gonna get into it. But 253 00:12:12.440 --> 00:12:18.000 nah uh yeah, that is the third the third sep 254 00:12:18.639 --> 00:12:23.080 third sphere on the tree, and it would be like 255 00:12:23.120 --> 00:12:25.679 on the top of the top of the pillar of severity. 256 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:27.759 Some people look at that. It would be the left 257 00:12:27.759 --> 00:12:29.440 hand side. Some people would say that's you know, the 258 00:12:29.440 --> 00:12:32.720 feminine part of the tree. I'm just gonna read off 259 00:12:32.759 --> 00:12:36.279 like some of the kind of basic associations with it, 260 00:12:36.320 --> 00:12:37.919 and then we'll kind of get into I guess, you know, 261 00:12:38.320 --> 00:12:41.360 freestyle on our experience, our idea of it. If any 262 00:12:41.440 --> 00:12:43.799 of you want to interrupt me, please just interrupt me 263 00:12:43.840 --> 00:12:47.639 as I'm going through it. You know, a lot of 264 00:12:47.679 --> 00:12:50.840 these I had mentioned it last time. They have associations 265 00:12:50.840 --> 00:12:53.799 with it with Benigh again. That will be the third 266 00:12:53.799 --> 00:12:55.200 sphere of the black sphere on the top of the 267 00:12:55.279 --> 00:12:59.120 left pillar, and the magical image for that would be 268 00:12:59.120 --> 00:13:01.279 considered a mature woman or a matron. 269 00:13:02.320 --> 00:13:04.240 I think jen Pie Matt would even agree with me. 270 00:13:04.440 --> 00:13:06.080 I think sometimes you'll get a little bit more of 271 00:13:06.080 --> 00:13:08.440 a mature woman, maybe a little bit like older or 272 00:13:08.480 --> 00:13:12.919 maybe the old hag might go there. Sometimes the divine 273 00:13:13.000 --> 00:13:18.519 name would be Jehovah Elohim. The archangel would be Zafkiel, 274 00:13:18.879 --> 00:13:22.799 which is governing the Ralim with the thrones, the planetary 275 00:13:23.279 --> 00:13:24.799 you know. Thing that would go along with it would 276 00:13:24.840 --> 00:13:28.600 be Saturn. I think everybody will not everybody may know that, 277 00:13:28.679 --> 00:13:33.279 but yeah, that's where Sading goes spiritual experience, the vision 278 00:13:33.279 --> 00:13:37.519 of sorrow, and then the virtue is silence, but the 279 00:13:37.639 --> 00:13:40.240 vice is avarice. And if people don't know what avarice means, 280 00:13:40.240 --> 00:13:43.840 it's basically just being like a sloth or not doing anything. 281 00:13:45.440 --> 00:13:50.200 Symbols and colors, you could have a chalice, vesica, pisces. 282 00:13:51.159 --> 00:13:55.360 It's also considered the outer robe of concealment. Chokla is 283 00:13:55.360 --> 00:13:59.000 considered the inner robe of concealment. Crimson would go with this, 284 00:13:59.360 --> 00:14:03.320 Black would go with this, Brown would go with this, uh, 285 00:14:04.039 --> 00:14:08.360 gray and pink through the full world. The Taro threes 286 00:14:08.480 --> 00:14:18.000 would go with that cosmic Uh what else? Uh Yeah, 287 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:21.799 that's basically kind of just I wanted to just get 288 00:14:21.799 --> 00:14:23.720 that in there because a lot of that stuff I 289 00:14:23.720 --> 00:14:25.559 think will show up as like symbology. 290 00:14:26.159 --> 00:14:29.320 Uh you'll see it in art possibly taro and stuff 291 00:14:29.360 --> 00:14:29.559 like that. 292 00:14:29.720 --> 00:14:34.240 So uh but yeah, I guess if you don't mind, 293 00:14:34.399 --> 00:14:36.639 jen if I put you on the spot for you, 294 00:14:37.720 --> 00:14:41.320 like I guess through your workings and experience with the Kabbala, 295 00:14:41.960 --> 00:14:43.879 how do you kind of like view I guess be 296 00:14:44.000 --> 00:14:45.840 Na in a sense. 297 00:14:46.960 --> 00:14:49.399 I always this is a rhyme I always do because 298 00:14:49.440 --> 00:14:54.559 I find it very mnemonic, like a way to remember things. 299 00:14:55.000 --> 00:14:57.840 Is time is always contained in your mind, but it 300 00:14:57.879 --> 00:15:01.639 really starts at the nah, Like the greatest conception of 301 00:15:01.720 --> 00:15:05.200 time is really there. So it is really the understanding 302 00:15:05.240 --> 00:15:09.799 of cosmic time rather than our individual experience of time, 303 00:15:09.840 --> 00:15:14.960 which is more ysotic. So there's that's again, to bring 304 00:15:15.000 --> 00:15:17.480 that back from last night. It's the Saturn moon matrix. 305 00:15:17.600 --> 00:15:19.840 It's like the it's the through their three worlds of 306 00:15:19.879 --> 00:15:22.879 conceptions of time. Right, there's the sun and moon, which 307 00:15:22.919 --> 00:15:25.559 is a second like a tertiary, which would be like 308 00:15:25.600 --> 00:15:29.440 Gebra and Hesseid, sort of tipherotic time. Then you would 309 00:15:29.480 --> 00:15:33.440 have individualized time or phenomenological time. Even you could say 310 00:15:33.519 --> 00:15:37.279 that's very asotic. But then you have the more intellectualized 311 00:15:37.399 --> 00:15:41.840 expansion or maybe you're coming to that if you're saying, oh, 312 00:15:42.279 --> 00:15:45.639 I'm Adam Kadmon, or I'm the adamante Man or I'm Enoch, 313 00:15:46.039 --> 00:15:49.600 and so my at my peak of who I am, 314 00:15:50.039 --> 00:15:55.200 i am maybe infused with cosmic time. So maybe that's 315 00:15:55.279 --> 00:15:58.919 kind of a way that Saturn gets to be the 316 00:15:59.000 --> 00:16:02.559 king of at least least some of the world's Like 317 00:16:02.879 --> 00:16:05.519 everybody says, oh Saturn, black cub matrix, that's like the 318 00:16:05.720 --> 00:16:08.480 you know, the evil, the evil time king. But in 319 00:16:08.519 --> 00:16:11.519 a way, as we always talk about, Saturn is just 320 00:16:11.559 --> 00:16:14.320 an outer density name. It's just a planet. So it's 321 00:16:14.360 --> 00:16:19.039 not what we're essentially referring to in the Sephra, but 322 00:16:19.279 --> 00:16:23.200 it definitely it tells you a story. It's it says 323 00:16:23.240 --> 00:16:25.480 like there are elements of this, they're just bringing things in. 324 00:16:25.840 --> 00:16:30.440 So in Joe Tish, Saturn is the lord of Karma Saturn. 325 00:16:30.559 --> 00:16:34.720 Praise to Mahakala, the king of Time as a much 326 00:16:34.840 --> 00:16:39.840 higher god. Mahakala, Praise to Maha Kali who is his 327 00:16:40.120 --> 00:16:43.000 consort or his wife. And I even put a pick 328 00:16:43.080 --> 00:16:45.039 diagnested a picture in that. You don't have to bring 329 00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:47.080 it up, Nick, but I'm just saying it's there if 330 00:16:47.080 --> 00:16:47.559 you want it. 331 00:16:47.759 --> 00:16:49.519 Yeah, I wasn't sure who pulled that up, Sar. 332 00:16:50.320 --> 00:16:55.799 No, that's okay, and so it so Nex's right. So 333 00:16:56.080 --> 00:16:58.279 there is the idea that she can. So I could 334 00:16:58.320 --> 00:17:01.639 have chosen an image with Collie by and I maybe 335 00:17:01.679 --> 00:17:04.680 will for later. I'll find one when I'm not going. 336 00:17:04.720 --> 00:17:07.960 But this is them together. So this is a more 337 00:17:08.119 --> 00:17:12.720 contract conception of Benna really is that it's really in 338 00:17:13.160 --> 00:17:15.599 because you see even the fire, the fire is rising 339 00:17:15.640 --> 00:17:19.599 beneath them. The carnal fire from Geverra and Saturn is 340 00:17:19.640 --> 00:17:23.440 sort of tempered by Mars in many ways, especially in 341 00:17:23.519 --> 00:17:28.160 Vida astrology. Mars is the sort of protective force that 342 00:17:29.640 --> 00:17:33.079 people often pray to. Mars or martial deities. Hanuman the 343 00:17:33.319 --> 00:17:36.599 Monkey King, or for Indians they think of him as 344 00:17:36.599 --> 00:17:39.119 the Monkey King. He's not quite the same, but they 345 00:17:39.119 --> 00:17:42.960 pray to him for kind of protecting them against Shanning 346 00:17:43.079 --> 00:17:45.640 or Saturn, because he is the power of Mars in 347 00:17:45.680 --> 00:17:48.680 its fullness. So you can see there's like a fire 348 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:52.480 of effulgence coming up from the burning ground. So the 349 00:17:52.559 --> 00:17:55.680 earth Bna is very much related to the earth, like 350 00:17:55.720 --> 00:17:58.920 it's really true earth almost you could say, like a 351 00:17:59.000 --> 00:18:03.200 true that's purified, and that's even what the fire is doing. 352 00:18:03.400 --> 00:18:06.000 So it's a solid ground. But with the concert there, 353 00:18:06.359 --> 00:18:09.359 it's really interesting. If you say the husband or the 354 00:18:09.400 --> 00:18:13.119 male archetype is time, then the female concert has to 355 00:18:13.160 --> 00:18:17.079 be Kully the destruction of time. So when they're together, 356 00:18:17.160 --> 00:18:21.480 it's a constant sort of dialectical arrangement of coming and going, 357 00:18:21.559 --> 00:18:25.839 matter densifying and then breaking up. It's kind of like 358 00:18:25.920 --> 00:18:29.039 the I think of it all as layers of consciousness. 359 00:18:29.240 --> 00:18:31.720 So when we sort of come across a new idea 360 00:18:32.279 --> 00:18:35.160 and then we explore that new idea and then we say, okay, 361 00:18:35.279 --> 00:18:38.119 I don't need to be contained in that, and we 362 00:18:38.200 --> 00:18:42.799 kind of destroy it, there's kind of the apocalypse of revelation, 363 00:18:43.200 --> 00:18:45.720 and so that's what I personally. So this is just 364 00:18:45.799 --> 00:18:49.200 me ginriffing, but those are things that I associate, particularly 365 00:18:49.279 --> 00:18:53.039 with Bana and text on paper. That's a very important 366 00:18:53.359 --> 00:18:56.960 allegory I've used before, and I think that a lot 367 00:18:57.079 --> 00:19:00.799 of misunderstanding of Banah. I'm using that word very specifically, 368 00:19:02.240 --> 00:19:05.480 but a lot of misunderstanding arises in what Saturn and 369 00:19:05.519 --> 00:19:08.920 Bana is. It's really the text on the page, the 370 00:19:09.000 --> 00:19:13.400 black text, which can also appear flashing purple very interesting, 371 00:19:13.839 --> 00:19:18.039 can also appear red in candle light. Bright black has 372 00:19:18.079 --> 00:19:22.880 many interesting qualities, especially on a white vellum page. So 373 00:19:23.200 --> 00:19:27.440 the text is really the codified thing. So the text 374 00:19:27.440 --> 00:19:30.000 can also be said to be like the Bible or 375 00:19:30.039 --> 00:19:33.480 the law or things of that nature. Now we don't 376 00:19:33.519 --> 00:19:38.759 interact with those texts specifically at Bana. Like we've talked 377 00:19:38.799 --> 00:19:43.559 about in the last episode. I said, has lawyers in 378 00:19:43.599 --> 00:19:47.200 particular embody has said really well, because they pull at 379 00:19:47.240 --> 00:19:53.759 the reins of like the fixed conceptions of Saturn. Sorry, guys, 380 00:19:53.759 --> 00:19:55.359 you guys, go ahead, just give me one second. 381 00:19:55.880 --> 00:19:59.079 One thing I did want to say with the fire, 382 00:20:00.759 --> 00:20:02.119 you know, the thing I was thinking about that with 383 00:20:02.200 --> 00:20:05.000 Gouboro being underneath the Saturn on the left hand side 384 00:20:05.000 --> 00:20:08.240 of the tree, I often do think that could be 385 00:20:08.279 --> 00:20:11.720 even like almost like alchemical where you're getting the black 386 00:20:12.000 --> 00:20:14.920 purification by fire you even get like a lot of 387 00:20:14.960 --> 00:20:17.319 old the alchemists that I've covered on the show or 388 00:20:17.359 --> 00:20:21.480 occultists that go on about this purification of the soul 389 00:20:21.720 --> 00:20:28.319 through fire. So I you know, again, just you burn 390 00:20:28.440 --> 00:20:31.000 something down to soot, I mean, it's gonna be black. 391 00:20:31.359 --> 00:20:34.039 So I do wonder about like the whole red and black, 392 00:20:34.400 --> 00:20:37.000 you know, if that's that plays into each. 393 00:20:36.839 --> 00:20:40.960 Other absolutely, especially when you note like the sounds for 394 00:20:41.119 --> 00:20:43.759 color theory, blue is really black when you're at this, 395 00:20:44.319 --> 00:20:47.279 like for this image, this is really black, Like this 396 00:20:47.319 --> 00:20:51.880 is Collie or Croda or Krishna, all words to describe block, 397 00:20:52.160 --> 00:20:54.240 but it's really blue black. It's really the color of 398 00:20:54.279 --> 00:20:57.680 lapis lazuli. That's also a sky blue color. 399 00:20:57.799 --> 00:21:00.559 That's what the ceiling of the oto is a blue 400 00:21:00.640 --> 00:21:03.279 black with the white stars. And I know I've mentioned 401 00:21:03.319 --> 00:21:05.400 this before, whatever, I'm just going to say it again. 402 00:21:06.680 --> 00:21:12.359 The Sistine Chapel wherever Michaelangelo did that shit, uh before 403 00:21:12.400 --> 00:21:15.039 he painted that on, then it had the same ceiling 404 00:21:15.039 --> 00:21:20.039 that the Oto uses, blue black ceiling and white stars. 405 00:21:21.079 --> 00:21:23.079 I mean you can say, Nick that that's the whole 406 00:21:23.160 --> 00:21:26.759 lesson of Kabbala, is that the differentiation of like the 407 00:21:26.920 --> 00:21:31.400 dark sky the night sky with the clear blue sky, 408 00:21:31.680 --> 00:21:34.440 because both of those things are really clear, the turquoise 409 00:21:34.599 --> 00:21:39.119 color of Hessaid as well as the Lapislazuli color of Bina. 410 00:21:39.359 --> 00:21:42.440 So I think that there is a way to sort 411 00:21:42.440 --> 00:21:45.200 of come to understanding of what the natures of things 412 00:21:45.240 --> 00:21:47.680 are just because they appear as something, which is a 413 00:21:47.799 --> 00:21:51.680 very Bana way to sort of be in misunderstanding is 414 00:21:51.720 --> 00:21:56.079 to fear maybe the thing that appears before you, just 415 00:21:56.119 --> 00:21:59.640 like Collie on the carnal ground, like all the demons, 416 00:21:59.680 --> 00:22:02.559 all the ghosts, all the vitalis, all the pretas, they're 417 00:22:02.599 --> 00:22:06.279 all surrounding her, and so she has to rise up 418 00:22:06.359 --> 00:22:09.000 on the corpse fire and sort of like say like 419 00:22:09.279 --> 00:22:12.640 I mean, actually destroy time. But time is really the 420 00:22:12.680 --> 00:22:16.119 perception of your mind. 421 00:22:18.440 --> 00:22:21.039 Yeah, that is something that I would would definitely like 422 00:22:21.079 --> 00:22:25.440 to ad with Nah when it comes to time, even 423 00:22:25.519 --> 00:22:26.200 life and death. 424 00:22:27.839 --> 00:22:29.599 Yeah, I think once you like burst into this. 425 00:22:30.319 --> 00:22:32.519 Physical reality, even if it's a thought, I mean either 426 00:22:32.559 --> 00:22:35.279 it's gonna you know, or physical or ends up turning physical. 427 00:22:35.359 --> 00:22:37.759 It's you know, has an expiration date and. 428 00:22:39.400 --> 00:22:39.720 Time. 429 00:22:39.799 --> 00:22:42.839 I feel like I guess first I'd like to say, 430 00:22:42.920 --> 00:22:45.240 like the way I look at it, Beina is kind 431 00:22:45.279 --> 00:22:47.359 of like two different ways, or it's a door that 432 00:22:47.799 --> 00:22:52.400 swings both ways. You're either going into the abyss and 433 00:22:52.599 --> 00:22:55.319 separating your soul from the flesh. You're kind of going 434 00:22:55.359 --> 00:22:58.160 back before you were conceived into the flesh. I already 435 00:22:58.119 --> 00:23:00.519 even say a little crazy like almost back in time, 436 00:23:01.559 --> 00:23:05.119 or you're coming back into reality after the magical experience, 437 00:23:05.559 --> 00:23:07.640 or you're being berthed into here. I guess your next 438 00:23:07.680 --> 00:23:12.839 go round or whatever it is. So like I see, like, fuck, 439 00:23:12.839 --> 00:23:13.680 where was I going with that? 440 00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:14.200 Yeah? 441 00:23:14.240 --> 00:23:17.000 Well, time, I see it as constructing time when you 442 00:23:17.079 --> 00:23:21.839 come into here. Uh, I don't know something I've even 443 00:23:21.880 --> 00:23:23.720 struggled with before. And then I even like when I 444 00:23:23.759 --> 00:23:26.079 was covering someone else, I think it was Platinus. He 445 00:23:26.200 --> 00:23:28.319 was even saying, like to even try to like time 446 00:23:28.400 --> 00:23:30.440 doesn't in his mind doesn't or the way he was 447 00:23:30.480 --> 00:23:33.759 explaining it doesn't apply to the abyss in his way, 448 00:23:33.759 --> 00:23:35.160 And like I would have to say, I guess from 449 00:23:35.160 --> 00:23:37.440 my experience, I don't think it is sort of even 450 00:23:37.480 --> 00:23:40.319 for me to try to say, I guess some all 451 00:23:40.319 --> 00:23:42.000 this sort of different time. But I guess it's the 452 00:23:42.079 --> 00:23:45.240 removal of it or making it, you know, making it exist. 453 00:23:45.720 --> 00:23:49.559 I feel like like binad does does both of that again, 454 00:23:49.640 --> 00:23:51.359 I do think, you know, when it comes to magic, 455 00:23:51.400 --> 00:23:54.279 there is an actual physical death if you want to 456 00:23:54.319 --> 00:23:57.160 go that far. And I do think that is even 457 00:23:57.200 --> 00:23:59.519 represented in in being ad like. 458 00:23:59.519 --> 00:23:59.920 That's why I. 459 00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:03.440 Think death is actually you know, considered to go along 460 00:24:03.480 --> 00:24:07.119 with Saturn, and then the rebirth, in my opinion, happens 461 00:24:07.119 --> 00:24:10.519 in the same sphere. It's just into the spirit, it's 462 00:24:10.599 --> 00:24:13.039 or it's into like the mind, you know, it's not 463 00:24:13.160 --> 00:24:17.759 actually like matter anymore, you know. The vision of sorrow, 464 00:24:18.720 --> 00:24:24.359 that's an experience and for me, I could be wrong, 465 00:24:24.480 --> 00:24:27.440 but like I could say, for me, the vision of 466 00:24:27.480 --> 00:24:31.880 sorrow was real in the sense that after I had 467 00:24:31.960 --> 00:24:37.000 experienced what I experienced, divisions and the experiences that I 468 00:24:37.279 --> 00:24:43.039 had in the Abyss obviously let me know that the 469 00:24:43.079 --> 00:24:46.119 way I had viewed the world prior was not correct 470 00:24:46.880 --> 00:24:49.480 and it's not what I thought it was. And I 471 00:24:49.519 --> 00:24:51.559 will be honest, there was a little bit of being 472 00:24:51.599 --> 00:24:55.440 upset about that. I felt like I was lied to 473 00:24:57.000 --> 00:24:59.680 and like just things aren't. It's hard to explain, but 474 00:24:59.799 --> 00:25:02.039 to for me, it was a it was a little 475 00:25:02.039 --> 00:25:05.400 bit of sorrow with knowing truths that maybe I wasn't 476 00:25:05.440 --> 00:25:08.799 like looking for you, I don't know. Maybe that was 477 00:25:08.880 --> 00:25:10.400 just me being a pussy and that's not what the 478 00:25:10.880 --> 00:25:12.200 that's not what the experience is. 479 00:25:12.119 --> 00:25:14.200 But that's how it worked for me. I did feel 480 00:25:14.200 --> 00:25:15.240 some sort of sorrow. 481 00:25:15.599 --> 00:25:18.039 I would even say I felt sorrow from being separated 482 00:25:18.039 --> 00:25:21.960 from that experience again, you know, of having that experience 483 00:25:21.960 --> 00:25:23.960 and being like, what the fuck? Why am I stuck here? 484 00:25:24.400 --> 00:25:26.559 If that's existence? Why the fuck am I stuck in 485 00:25:26.559 --> 00:25:30.720 this fucking reality? So all I had that in and 486 00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:32.680 then anybody else can go have some. 487 00:25:32.640 --> 00:25:33.240 Other shit all. 488 00:25:33.319 --> 00:25:37.920 It is very interesting though, that the saturn or banaw 489 00:25:38.039 --> 00:25:40.400 or whatever, right, the black sphere is supposed to be 490 00:25:40.400 --> 00:25:44.519 the one that is contracting right or organizing or even 491 00:25:44.640 --> 00:25:46.799 you can say destroying when you say, when you put 492 00:25:46.799 --> 00:25:49.519 like Shiva in that swhere, you can say it's destroying 493 00:25:49.519 --> 00:25:52.720 the illusions. So it's when you come into the understanding 494 00:25:52.720 --> 00:25:55.440 of the situation, like what you're saying, Okay, I understood 495 00:25:55.680 --> 00:25:58.240 the experience that I was having. Maybe wasn't the best. 496 00:25:58.400 --> 00:26:00.799 Now what do you do with it? You know, in theory, 497 00:26:00.920 --> 00:26:03.640 you should grow wise, you should become wiser now that 498 00:26:03.680 --> 00:26:06.640 you understand. But at the same time, it's also like 499 00:26:06.759 --> 00:26:10.640 you're it's kind of like you're almost out, so you get. 500 00:26:10.480 --> 00:26:12.720 A taste of you know, do I go out out 501 00:26:12.880 --> 00:26:13.599 or now I. 502 00:26:13.519 --> 00:26:16.559 Have to come back and you know, completely experience or 503 00:26:16.599 --> 00:26:21.720 whatever it is. So also regarding time, it is so 504 00:26:21.799 --> 00:26:24.920 we can use, for example, the Greek example of chronos time, 505 00:26:25.160 --> 00:26:28.079 but also there's the kitos time, right, So chronos time 506 00:26:28.119 --> 00:26:30.559 being the one which is ordering things, so the let's 507 00:26:30.559 --> 00:26:33.759 say the calendar or the hours like they counted time, 508 00:26:33.839 --> 00:26:36.720 thee the future that we expect, the past that already went, 509 00:26:36.759 --> 00:26:38.799 and so on and so on. But then there's also 510 00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:42.119 kitos time, which you could say it's like the digital time, 511 00:26:42.279 --> 00:26:44.799 like chronos being the analog the one you count, Kitos 512 00:26:44.799 --> 00:26:48.279 being the digital because it's the time that it's actually 513 00:26:48.319 --> 00:26:50.680 the only time that exists. It's like the actual moment, 514 00:26:50.960 --> 00:26:53.559 the moment right now, that that when you are experiencing 515 00:26:53.599 --> 00:26:55.680 something and you are present there, like you when the 516 00:26:55.720 --> 00:26:58.480 flow in once on. And I would say that time 517 00:26:58.759 --> 00:27:03.680 isn't necessarily be nah because it's this kind of time. 518 00:27:04.079 --> 00:27:07.319 It could be even maybe in that it's like outside right, 519 00:27:07.400 --> 00:27:10.359 like you're outside of the experience. Or another way to 520 00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:13.119 visualize it. Also it's imagine you have like for people 521 00:27:13.119 --> 00:27:15.680 who edit videos, or when you're watching a video, you 522 00:27:15.759 --> 00:27:18.839 have the whole timeline, right, but you're always watching the 523 00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:21.720 video at one point, but you as an outsider, you 524 00:27:21.720 --> 00:27:24.119 can see the whole timeline, so you could skip and 525 00:27:24.200 --> 00:27:26.680 come back and so and so. Again you're outside of 526 00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:29.519 the chronos time, but you have to interact with it, 527 00:27:29.720 --> 00:27:32.599 you know. So again, it's a very interesting to visualize 528 00:27:32.640 --> 00:27:34.880 your life as well, when you look back at things 529 00:27:34.920 --> 00:27:35.480 and see. 530 00:27:36.119 --> 00:27:38.000 You know what I think is probably a really good 531 00:27:38.000 --> 00:27:40.359 way to explain it. It just sound cheesy. It's like going 532 00:27:40.400 --> 00:27:42.440 from like you know, in the flesh and all of 533 00:27:42.480 --> 00:27:44.640 a sudden, like now I'm looking like at the orphan, 534 00:27:46.440 --> 00:27:48.279 how like you can almost like just see like be 535 00:27:49.039 --> 00:27:51.240 all over you know what I'm saying. That's what it 536 00:27:51.599 --> 00:27:53.160 just seemed like to me. I was like that was 537 00:27:53.200 --> 00:27:55.559 a you know, one from one extreme to the next. 538 00:27:55.880 --> 00:27:57.559 I'm saying, just from this point of view to like 539 00:27:57.640 --> 00:28:00.119 fucking everything everywhere once, it was just weird. 540 00:28:01.559 --> 00:28:02.240 Exactly you need. 541 00:28:02.519 --> 00:28:04.200 And that's the thing as well about me now, which 542 00:28:04.240 --> 00:28:07.640 is I'm guessing you guys already did an episode on Homan, 543 00:28:08.200 --> 00:28:11.000 but it would be like the thing was now expanded, 544 00:28:11.079 --> 00:28:14.359 right the light was reflected. So now you have everything 545 00:28:14.440 --> 00:28:16.920 going on in the chaos, everything going on. But if 546 00:28:16.920 --> 00:28:19.039 you only have that, then you cannot have anything like 547 00:28:19.079 --> 00:28:21.839 you cannot have let's say a particle, a thing that 548 00:28:22.039 --> 00:28:24.759 to hold on to. So Bna comes to again aggregate. 549 00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:28.799 It's like the I think it's like the Zin, which 550 00:28:28.839 --> 00:28:31.119 is like the contractor to zoom, I think expands and 551 00:28:31.359 --> 00:28:33.480 zing is the contractor. I don't remember exactly the name 552 00:28:33.720 --> 00:28:36.680 in Hebrew, but that's idea, like you're contracting the chaos 553 00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:38.759 so that you can have an experience. So like to me, 554 00:28:38.839 --> 00:28:42.039 that's what the left column is mostly about, the savery column. 555 00:28:42.200 --> 00:28:45.119 It's like contracting things again mars like being disciplined, or 556 00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:49.200 like the control of things again hot making things rational, 557 00:28:49.640 --> 00:28:52.759 like place things inside your left brain in one and 558 00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:55.960 the right colm the opposite. So again at dens like 559 00:28:56.000 --> 00:28:59.079 the beginning of the contraction, the beginning of again trying 560 00:28:59.079 --> 00:29:02.200 to understand something. So if you cannot like away, also, 561 00:29:02.200 --> 00:29:04.880 I like to explain it when you're getting down the tree. 562 00:29:04.960 --> 00:29:07.799 So like the lightning path, when you need to create 563 00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:10.400 something again, you need to first have the idea of 564 00:29:10.440 --> 00:29:13.079 what you need to create the insight right the cat there. 565 00:29:14.319 --> 00:29:16.519 You need to be able to like visualize it and 566 00:29:16.880 --> 00:29:20.160 see it again the wisdom of it, because if you cannot, 567 00:29:20.240 --> 00:29:23.440 then well, whatever you want something, but you cannot even 568 00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:27.279 describe it, It's it's impossible, right and be nah, it's 569 00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:30.039 like the light which is homa becoming sound. So it's 570 00:29:30.079 --> 00:29:33.200 when again you're understanding the thing in a way that 571 00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:37.039 you can actually explain it. So and that again it 572 00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:39.440 doesn't have to be crazy, right, Like when you're ordering food, 573 00:29:39.480 --> 00:29:40.759 you need to be able to explain the type of 574 00:29:40.759 --> 00:29:42.759 food you need you want to order, otherwise you cannot 575 00:29:42.799 --> 00:29:46.720 order food like such a basic thing, right. So, and 576 00:29:46.880 --> 00:29:49.440 it grows to to other complexities whenever you want to 577 00:29:49.559 --> 00:29:52.039 manage cooperations as one. 578 00:29:53.119 --> 00:29:55.559 That's one of the I think you said that great man. 579 00:29:55.599 --> 00:29:58.200 I think that's and also neck of course, but I 580 00:29:58.240 --> 00:30:00.480 think you know, I think you're both right. Think it 581 00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:03.839 all sort of converges on this thing. It's like it's gravitational. 582 00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:06.680 I think that's also very much associated with bana. If 583 00:30:06.720 --> 00:30:09.200 you want to give it more of an astro physical 584 00:30:09.880 --> 00:30:13.440 sort of idea, it's like Matt said, it's the densifying factor, 585 00:30:13.480 --> 00:30:17.759 it's the aggregating factor, it's the conglomerting factor. It brings 586 00:30:17.839 --> 00:30:20.960 things in. And that's also why like this Attornian element 587 00:30:21.119 --> 00:30:24.680 is led, and it's also why like there are different ideas, 588 00:30:24.720 --> 00:30:28.160 different colors that you can describe. Obviously Nick describes some. 589 00:30:28.559 --> 00:30:30.519 But I want to bring this in because I find 590 00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:33.200 it really interesting just intellectually, whether you believe it or not. 591 00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:37.920 But there is Ramic Rabbi Cordovero who spoke about last 592 00:30:37.920 --> 00:30:41.640 time he did write about the green flashing of Banah. 593 00:30:42.160 --> 00:30:45.519 So I always found this quite interesting because in a 594 00:30:45.559 --> 00:30:49.160 lot of the Sufi texts they will often also talk 595 00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:53.279 about this in terms of like they'll I've seen images 596 00:30:53.319 --> 00:30:55.559 where they'll have El Kadeer. So if you're familiar with 597 00:30:55.640 --> 00:30:59.400 El Kadeer, he is the green man, and he's like 598 00:30:59.440 --> 00:31:01.880 a Sufi and he wears a green rope. He's not 599 00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:03.799 quite as Sube saying, I mean he is and he isn't. 600 00:31:03.799 --> 00:31:08.480 So it's kind of a mixture, but it's a The 601 00:31:08.559 --> 00:31:11.200 idea is is like when you're there, there is a 602 00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:15.359 green sort of element of reflection. So you can probably 603 00:31:15.440 --> 00:31:18.920 understand that through you could say through nets SoC you 604 00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:22.200 could also say through hesse and and maybe even through 605 00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:24.519 different and then I think all of those things. Obviously, 606 00:31:24.559 --> 00:31:27.759 Matt uses a different system, so I'm not I'm not 607 00:31:27.799 --> 00:31:31.079 saying anything in contradiction. Of course, I see it to Matt. 608 00:31:31.400 --> 00:31:34.960 But I think it's an interesting thing to think about 609 00:31:35.279 --> 00:31:40.799 because why it's a very specific sort of idea. Anyways, 610 00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:43.519 I pulled up an icon that kind of shows this, Nick, 611 00:31:43.599 --> 00:31:45.079 and I just want to say, like, so if you 612 00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:49.240 hear about this a green flashing at Bina, you can 613 00:31:49.279 --> 00:31:52.839 also relate it to, as I said, the sort of 614 00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:56.799 Bina nets SoC connection, sort of like the feminine divinity 615 00:31:57.359 --> 00:32:01.960 with the sort of forming formational force of the world 616 00:32:01.960 --> 00:32:04.839 that is Bana. But of course I like what Nick 617 00:32:04.880 --> 00:32:07.720 said last time, which is like every suffra has a 618 00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:14.039 masculine and feminine component. There's it's it doesn't. In my opinion, 619 00:32:14.119 --> 00:32:16.720 it's just me. I don't think it serves anyone to 620 00:32:16.799 --> 00:32:20.799 be inherently dualistic in how they approach the suffra. I 621 00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:25.759 think that's going to color your kind of relationship with death, 622 00:32:26.559 --> 00:32:28.839 which is obviously in the inner density. 623 00:32:29.079 --> 00:32:40.920 I would say, yeah, somebody think somebody made a question 624 00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:44.559 here about misunderstanding possibly being the cliff of Bina. 625 00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:48.200 I would say, in a way to me it's more 626 00:32:48.240 --> 00:32:51.839 about coding things. So when again you when you're using 627 00:32:51.920 --> 00:32:56.680 the power of contract contraction to prevent the life from 628 00:32:56.759 --> 00:32:59.480 going outside, then you're being an agent, you know, and 629 00:32:59.640 --> 00:33:02.000 a coal agent, like you're trying to not get the 630 00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:06.880 information to be understood, therefore misunderstanding. Kind of yeah in 631 00:33:07.240 --> 00:33:11.079 a way, but you see the way I understand being 632 00:33:11.200 --> 00:33:14.319 as well. It is one of the spheres most used 633 00:33:14.400 --> 00:33:19.000 for coding stuff or couding things in this reality. So 634 00:33:19.039 --> 00:33:22.319 like I really relate sound to be not so like 635 00:33:22.519 --> 00:33:26.240 music is a very potent way to control people like that. 636 00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:29.759 You go to like the church mass, they're like playing 637 00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:32.680 the music, especially like the most crazy ones which they get, 638 00:33:32.839 --> 00:33:36.240 you know, all the performance there in Brazil you have 639 00:33:36.279 --> 00:33:39.000 a lot of those, and you are again playing that 640 00:33:39.119 --> 00:33:41.519 music in the background the guys like talking all the 641 00:33:41.519 --> 00:33:43.400 things that you want to hear and so and so on. 642 00:33:43.599 --> 00:33:45.880 But the same like you go to a concert, they're 643 00:33:45.880 --> 00:33:49.240 playing the music there to you know, change how you 644 00:33:49.240 --> 00:33:51.799 are feeling, how you're thinking. And the same now with 645 00:33:51.880 --> 00:33:54.759 even TikTok, they put like the music in your head 646 00:33:54.799 --> 00:33:57.119 all the time, like the same music over and over, 647 00:33:57.279 --> 00:34:01.279 like reprogramming you and so on, and music it's a 648 00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:05.279 very powerfu way to like occult stuff. Or even I 649 00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:08.360 saw the other couple of months ago, I think in Serbia, 650 00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:11.000 if I'm not being saken, there was this like protest. 651 00:34:11.199 --> 00:34:12.559 There was a lot of people in the streets in 652 00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:14.760 this one, and they used like a super sonic whatever 653 00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:17.559 weapon like just made a huge sound and like it 654 00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:20.119 dispersed everyone, Like nobody knows knew what the fuck was 655 00:34:20.159 --> 00:34:22.119 going on because it was such like a huge sound. 656 00:34:22.360 --> 00:34:25.559 It was like high pitch or whatever, and people just 657 00:34:25.599 --> 00:34:28.280 were dispersed like with the easy you know, quote unquote 658 00:34:28.320 --> 00:34:30.719 easy like there's no guns anything, it's just the sound 659 00:34:30.719 --> 00:34:32.719 thing made everyone go away. 660 00:34:33.480 --> 00:34:34.960 So again, it's very very powerfult. 661 00:34:36.440 --> 00:34:40.320 You don't want to rip uh when you talk about 662 00:34:40.320 --> 00:34:42.360 the expansion of the contraction and stuff like that. That 663 00:34:42.440 --> 00:34:45.639 even makes me think about how I attribute the eyeballs stuff, 664 00:34:46.960 --> 00:34:50.199 you know, because that does happen, and that determines how 665 00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:52.320 much light is getting sucked in or not. 666 00:34:53.800 --> 00:34:55.360 So I just wanted to throw that in there. 667 00:34:56.280 --> 00:34:59.119 I think that the eye stuff that you've pioneered neck 668 00:34:59.119 --> 00:35:01.719 in the sense that like what modern people are talking about, 669 00:35:01.800 --> 00:35:06.000 I think that that's one hundred percent correlates with Bena. 670 00:35:06.199 --> 00:35:08.239 I think it makes sense even in the iconography you 671 00:35:08.239 --> 00:35:10.760 have pulled up right now. I think it looks very 672 00:35:10.840 --> 00:35:15.199 much like a magical experience and like an eye and 673 00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:18.320 things you'd see. So I'm hung there. And but also 674 00:35:18.440 --> 00:35:21.320 to go off with what Matt said about sound, I 675 00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:24.400 think this is a really interesting point. Collie is kind 676 00:35:24.440 --> 00:35:26.840 of the time of silence. Like Nick will often say this, 677 00:35:27.079 --> 00:35:29.159 because it's very it's a hermetic kind of way to 678 00:35:29.239 --> 00:35:32.480 frame that same experience that everybody really has, like any 679 00:35:32.519 --> 00:35:36.280 magician has. But yeah, she doesn't speak because her tongue 680 00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:41.119 is lolling. She can't speak the primordial word. So it's 681 00:35:41.199 --> 00:35:43.079 kind of interesting if you think of it like that. 682 00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:49.440 He's not the prime creatrix, she's just the prime mover. 683 00:35:50.840 --> 00:35:54.039 So that's kind of an interesting difference that Tantra sort 684 00:35:54.039 --> 00:35:56.000 of applies to the tree, is that Collie is not 685 00:35:56.119 --> 00:36:02.639 the originator of either knowledge or the sort of greater 686 00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:06.199 tree itself, but she's maybe exactly what Matt said, the 687 00:36:06.280 --> 00:36:09.920 encoder of it. And then you can also say that 688 00:36:11.639 --> 00:36:17.280 the klipa of Benna really is the occulting of things, occulting, 689 00:36:17.360 --> 00:36:24.679 particularly of both exoteric and esoteric knowledge. So institutions, any 690 00:36:24.679 --> 00:36:30.639 institution and university, you know, a secret fraternity of magicians 691 00:36:31.039 --> 00:36:35.400 that they're all guilty of occulting the government. They all 692 00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:38.280 you know, it's all the practice of Kleipa making all 693 00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:38.639 of that. 694 00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:41.920 All the big corporations, Like the CEO is not going 695 00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:45.079 to have like a camera at the room, but everyone 696 00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:48.760 is going to be watchable by the corporation, right, like 697 00:36:48.920 --> 00:36:51.679 the higher you go, the bigger the company. Again, it's 698 00:36:51.719 --> 00:36:54.800 going to be less and less transparent what exactly is 699 00:36:54.800 --> 00:36:57.559 going on. And also governments, Yeah, like you. 700 00:36:57.559 --> 00:37:02.920 Said, absolutely absolutely and so the but there is a 701 00:37:03.400 --> 00:37:07.280 like we said, also it's like there's something inherently unstable 702 00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:11.199 about this sephra because it's not really it's not really 703 00:37:11.239 --> 00:37:15.320 meant to be. Uh, it's outside of the eternity that 704 00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:20.880 is nuts socks. It's almost it's not quite unbound from 705 00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:25.679 the you know, fixture, but it kind of goes according 706 00:37:25.719 --> 00:37:27.760 to its own rules, which has very been all like 707 00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:32.360 it's its own ruler. So exactly what Nick said, like 708 00:37:32.440 --> 00:37:35.480 you both come and go here, you come into flesh 709 00:37:35.519 --> 00:37:37.800 and you come out of flesh. You can say you're 710 00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:39.360 stripped down to your bones. That would be a very 711 00:37:39.440 --> 00:37:42.440 contract way to describe it, right, like you put the 712 00:37:42.480 --> 00:37:44.880 body in the in the cremation fire and you strip 713 00:37:44.920 --> 00:37:46.760 it all the way down to the bones and then 714 00:37:46.760 --> 00:37:49.000 the vultures eat the rest or the crows, depending on 715 00:37:49.440 --> 00:37:53.480 where you are. But no, that's basically it. So I agree. 716 00:37:53.519 --> 00:37:56.480 It's it's like it is the prime representation of the 717 00:37:56.519 --> 00:37:59.039 carnal ground where we exist. You could say, but this 718 00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:02.800 is also obviously consciousness. I'm not saying it necessarily real, 719 00:38:03.199 --> 00:38:06.280 but you could say, that's one way to think of it. 720 00:38:06.440 --> 00:38:08.840 But once you get greater in your understanding, you're like, oh, 721 00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:12.880 I can actually look at these things in different ways. 722 00:38:13.239 --> 00:38:16.639 I can perceive them. My view has changed. The way 723 00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:20.000 the angle I approach things from can be different because 724 00:38:20.039 --> 00:38:25.400 I'm not so locked into a discursive mode ideological mode. 725 00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:29.320 That's another really interesting klipa of Bena is to put 726 00:38:29.360 --> 00:38:32.880 people into silos. That's also very academic, right, like, oh, 727 00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:36.719 this person studies, okay, so for me, I studied the 728 00:38:37.239 --> 00:38:44.719 tontric art. I mean basically, so that's a very limited 729 00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:48.639 way to look at the world. You're really in like 730 00:38:48.719 --> 00:38:51.960 a very fixed perception. But ben not can also help 731 00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:54.519 you break out of that. But people don't realize that 732 00:38:54.719 --> 00:38:57.719 usually because it's so much associated with Saturn and so 733 00:38:57.840 --> 00:39:02.079 much associated with fixed things and magnetization and all that. 734 00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:07.360 But really it's a we're talking supernova. It's really processes 735 00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:10.079 of consciousness. And that's really where, in my opinion, real 736 00:39:10.119 --> 00:39:10.679 magic is. 737 00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:13.159 I like that. 738 00:39:13.280 --> 00:39:17.079 The magnetization, Yeah, I would even look at the left 739 00:39:17.079 --> 00:39:19.000 pillar alone as a magnet in the right pillar is 740 00:39:19.039 --> 00:39:23.880 like electricity or energy. Yes, something, you know, I did think, 741 00:39:23.920 --> 00:39:26.280 like you know, we're talking about, you know, kind of 742 00:39:26.320 --> 00:39:30.320 a doorway. You know, even sat In itself is associated 743 00:39:30.360 --> 00:39:32.119 with air, which is where I think, like you kind 744 00:39:32.159 --> 00:39:34.960 of start going into spirit, does not't matter anymore, you're 745 00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:38.960 traveling through the air. And not to sound cheesy, I 746 00:39:39.079 --> 00:39:41.760 brought this up a while ago, and there's newer people listening, 747 00:39:42.000 --> 00:39:44.599 so maybe they'll they haven't heard me say it, and 748 00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:47.079 it's just something I swear. I just I think I 749 00:39:47.159 --> 00:39:49.039 might be onto something with this. You know, I have 750 00:39:49.119 --> 00:39:51.519 brought up Charlie Brown before when it comes to Saturn. 751 00:39:52.039 --> 00:39:54.719 You know, I mentioned before that brown can be a color. 752 00:39:56.119 --> 00:39:58.559 And he's even got a yellow shirt on, which is 753 00:39:58.559 --> 00:40:00.880 the color for air, and then that does look like 754 00:40:01.039 --> 00:40:04.960 the Aquarius symbol across his fucking shirt. So I do 755 00:40:05.159 --> 00:40:08.119 question if Charlie Brown is actually really like Saduren in 756 00:40:08.119 --> 00:40:10.800 a sense. Yeah, And then he's got his boy on 757 00:40:10.840 --> 00:40:13.679 top of the red barn. Is that a bora right 758 00:40:13.760 --> 00:40:14.920 underneath him? 759 00:40:15.159 --> 00:40:15.840 His dog. 760 00:40:17.480 --> 00:40:19.519 The red the red little doghouse at the barn. But 761 00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:21.840 I think there's actually a lot of a cult symbolism 762 00:40:21.840 --> 00:40:22.559 in Jolly Room. 763 00:40:24.280 --> 00:40:25.000 That sounds crazy. 764 00:40:25.039 --> 00:40:27.280 Well if you interpret it, if you interpret it as 765 00:40:27.280 --> 00:40:31.599 like like how Matt says is pop Cabala, then absolutely 766 00:40:31.800 --> 00:40:35.320 then you can just see like he's using his associations. 767 00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:38.239 Maybe he's not even thinking of Cabala per se, even 768 00:40:38.239 --> 00:40:38.480 if you. 769 00:40:38.519 --> 00:40:41.679 Go like Croley's New Wheat or Crowley's Chick, you know, uh, 770 00:40:41.960 --> 00:40:45.199 always talking about again going back to the blue and black. 771 00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:49.360 He's got Lucy, you know what I'm saying, black hair, 772 00:40:49.519 --> 00:40:51.199 blue outfit. I don't know. 773 00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:53.719 I just think there's like a lot of like again, 774 00:40:53.800 --> 00:40:56.719 that same symbology. This is something weird in that that's. 775 00:40:56.599 --> 00:40:59.239 Just my you know. And and if you think about it. 776 00:41:01.440 --> 00:41:04.480 Technically, at the bottom of the blue pillar, you know, 777 00:41:04.599 --> 00:41:07.400 the top of the blue the right hand side, even 778 00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:09.159 though it's male down at the bottom, you would have 779 00:41:09.159 --> 00:41:11.679 a female even though the top of it is a 780 00:41:11.679 --> 00:41:15.480 blue color whatever. Just I do think that might be 781 00:41:15.559 --> 00:41:22.159 called symbolism and Jolie frem. 782 00:41:19.599 --> 00:41:21.960 No, there absolutely is. But even the way you said 783 00:41:21.960 --> 00:41:25.280 about like Bena and nuts sock like Matt. We'll speak 784 00:41:25.320 --> 00:41:28.840 more to this, I'm sure, but that's a really interesting 785 00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:33.199 sort of pathworking. Ye, and it's all right. And then 786 00:41:33.280 --> 00:41:35.920 it's also like so has a connection to tiffer it 787 00:41:36.519 --> 00:41:39.079 so you would get like slight green, you would get 788 00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:41.559 slight gold, you would get like there are elements that 789 00:41:41.639 --> 00:41:44.480 you are coming up and so you can see where 790 00:41:44.480 --> 00:41:49.360 people are maybe getting stuck, since that is kind of 791 00:41:49.440 --> 00:41:52.960 Beenah's kind of quality until you choose or you kind 792 00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:55.920 of orient yourself to not be stuck because you need it, 793 00:41:56.719 --> 00:41:59.039 but you have to, like I think, be conscious of 794 00:41:59.079 --> 00:42:00.360 your relationship with it too. 795 00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:05.280 Yeah, it's also an interesting way to meditate on what 796 00:42:05.480 --> 00:42:08.679 you are hiding from yourself, like especially failures. Right we 797 00:42:08.800 --> 00:42:11.079 tend to say, no, you know, I'm perfect, I don't 798 00:42:11.079 --> 00:42:13.000 have any failures in some one that's going to be 799 00:42:13.039 --> 00:42:15.679 like the cliff of Beina acting on you, which you 800 00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:18.519 can again you can rectify, you can know like shine 801 00:42:18.599 --> 00:42:20.800 light on that. So that you start to work on 802 00:42:20.800 --> 00:42:23.679 those like that that should be the cliff I work 803 00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:26.639 from my perspective, like you're using it to understand how 804 00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:30.000 you like you can see in others, but to understand 805 00:42:30.039 --> 00:42:32.199 how you are using it in yourself, and then you 806 00:42:32.239 --> 00:42:37.920 can rectify it, like change the experience here, because indeed, 807 00:42:38.039 --> 00:42:42.960 like any like even any, the tree can become super complex, 808 00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:45.440 right if you get into for example, spheres inside of 809 00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:48.079 like trees inside of the spheres and like moving and 810 00:42:48.119 --> 00:42:51.920 so on, because we tend to study it like fixed right, 811 00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:54.159 like the tree always in the same way, but maybe 812 00:42:54.559 --> 00:42:57.840 the aspect is going to be slightly different with time 813 00:42:57.880 --> 00:42:59.960 and so and so on, so it starts to get 814 00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:04.360 really crazy. But yeah, i'ld say that the main idea 815 00:43:04.719 --> 00:43:06.440 of like condensing. 816 00:43:05.920 --> 00:43:07.800 Things but also destroying them. 817 00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:11.039 Again, if you relate Shiva to it to be not 818 00:43:12.159 --> 00:43:13.960 it's gonna be your your best friend, you know, to 819 00:43:14.039 --> 00:43:16.000 killing all the illusions, all the illusions that you created 820 00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:18.760 about yourself, like the character you are right now, Like 821 00:43:18.840 --> 00:43:22.199 Matt MAT's a character, right, I'm not this, I am 822 00:43:22.519 --> 00:43:25.320 experiencing this character right now, and it has a lot 823 00:43:25.360 --> 00:43:28.119 of illusions, like let's say, from when I was born 824 00:43:28.840 --> 00:43:30.960 people would say something and then I would aggregate that 825 00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:32.840 to me again. But now I can use that same 826 00:43:32.920 --> 00:43:36.039 energy the aggregator to you know, clear it and say no, 827 00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:39.320 wait a second, I don't want that anymore. That's like, 828 00:43:39.639 --> 00:43:41.400 let's not be fixed. I can change that. I can 829 00:43:41.440 --> 00:43:45.199 evolve with like your taste and so and so. Also 830 00:43:45.320 --> 00:43:48.000 Nick beautifully said, like the colors that you're wearing tell 831 00:43:48.039 --> 00:43:50.639 a lot about where your consciousness is. And it is 832 00:43:50.679 --> 00:43:52.800 funny that a lot of people tend to wear black 833 00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:55.800 or all black or like prefer like it's a color 834 00:43:55.840 --> 00:43:58.599 that you see everywhere, right, even though it's if you 835 00:43:58.639 --> 00:44:01.000 stop to think about it's not like an natural color, right, 836 00:44:01.039 --> 00:44:05.840 it's not like you see black like in everyday things. 837 00:44:05.880 --> 00:44:09.239 You're not like in nature or whatever, but in people 838 00:44:09.239 --> 00:44:12.079 with things like in things we buy, there is a 839 00:44:12.079 --> 00:44:16.679 lot of black, like in cars, like clothing, cell phones, again, 840 00:44:17.039 --> 00:44:20.880 the little black mirror. So it's every really, if you 841 00:44:20.960 --> 00:44:21.880 start to think about it. 842 00:44:24.960 --> 00:44:27.760 There's a great comment from Nature's Path to Wholeness that 843 00:44:27.840 --> 00:44:30.360 I think Matt is well equipped to a handle. When 844 00:44:30.400 --> 00:44:33.239 you say the Kleipa of Bana, are you speaking of 845 00:44:33.280 --> 00:44:37.599 the that is the partner of Bana I'll just say 846 00:44:37.639 --> 00:44:40.360 for me, I'm not I'm speaking of it in a 847 00:44:40.360 --> 00:44:44.000 more traditional, maybe even a more Lurianic way, where they 848 00:44:44.239 --> 00:44:48.239 are ideas in the suffer of themselves. I only believe 849 00:44:48.280 --> 00:44:51.159 in the one tree. I don't believe in the many trees, 850 00:44:51.519 --> 00:44:54.239 like the tree is infinite and it's like that will 851 00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:57.679 Get explains this quite well. But for me, I think 852 00:44:57.679 --> 00:45:01.079 that you experienced all the klipas are ready. I don't 853 00:45:01.119 --> 00:45:05.920 think that it serves a It doesn't serve any beginner, 854 00:45:06.239 --> 00:45:09.760 especially beginner, to study the kleepers in any way. You're 855 00:45:09.760 --> 00:45:12.440 gonna just gonna be aggregated. And you see this all 856 00:45:12.480 --> 00:45:15.280 the left hand path guys, they're all emo, They're all like, 857 00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:19.079 I'm depressed. There's I read a book. I know it's 858 00:45:19.079 --> 00:45:22.960 like funny, but I read a Fraternitous saturn eyebook and 859 00:45:23.039 --> 00:45:25.800 he was like, depression is the left hand path. And 860 00:45:25.880 --> 00:45:28.679 I'm like, no, that's a you problem. That's not a 861 00:45:28.760 --> 00:45:31.360 left hand path problem. That's a you problem. So I 862 00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:34.679 think that's exactly what the kleepas are for too, to 863 00:45:34.760 --> 00:45:39.199 capture your consciousness in low ideas. So, like Matt saying, 864 00:45:39.719 --> 00:45:43.840 Banna is a supernal triad. So try and break those 865 00:45:43.920 --> 00:45:47.480 klipas of those lower conceptions of you have of both 866 00:45:47.519 --> 00:45:50.280 the world and yourself. That's what I think too. Sorry, 867 00:45:50.320 --> 00:45:51.960 I didn't mean to do a sermon there, but I 868 00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:54.360 just want to say it's yeah, it's kleep as are 869 00:45:55.239 --> 00:45:58.599 It's really the the It's like the aggregates that we 870 00:45:59.199 --> 00:46:02.320 that we name, the vessels that we name, and whether 871 00:46:02.400 --> 00:46:06.159 we whether those vessels have the truth in them or not, 872 00:46:06.719 --> 00:46:08.639 I think is up to us to discern. But we 873 00:46:08.679 --> 00:46:12.320 also have to make sure that we're not worshiping husks 874 00:46:12.400 --> 00:46:13.159 or vessels. 875 00:46:13.559 --> 00:46:14.119 Yeah. 876 00:46:14.159 --> 00:46:16.280 Well, one way you can say it, it's like when 877 00:46:16.320 --> 00:46:19.480 you have an oyster. You have the like the oyster 878 00:46:19.559 --> 00:46:22.320 and the meat inside of it, right, and after you eat, 879 00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:25.079 like you remove the meat, you have just the husk, 880 00:46:25.159 --> 00:46:28.360 really just the thing left there without any life anymore. 881 00:46:28.400 --> 00:46:32.079 There's maybe some speckles of whatever was left there, but 882 00:46:32.199 --> 00:46:35.119 it's really not the thing that they wanted anymore. And 883 00:46:35.599 --> 00:46:37.880 when I talk about like the klif us or husks, 884 00:46:37.880 --> 00:46:40.440 that's what I'm talking about. Like the light king, it 885 00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:45.559 filled the sphere with light, but it didn't hold all 886 00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:47.880 the light, so it broke and it shattered, and now 887 00:46:47.920 --> 00:46:51.239 you have this kind of leftovers from the thing, but 888 00:46:51.280 --> 00:46:53.320 it was it is part of the same thing like 889 00:46:53.440 --> 00:46:56.760 Jin is saying. So again, it's really in new anytime 890 00:46:56.800 --> 00:46:58.599 you are interacting with any of the and I would 891 00:46:58.639 --> 00:47:01.679 say not only the spheres, but also the paths, right 892 00:47:01.679 --> 00:47:03.239 if you want to get into let's say tarot and 893 00:47:03.320 --> 00:47:05.599 correcting them to the paths. So in the same way, 894 00:47:05.639 --> 00:47:08.159 whenever you have on r kunna, you're not only using 895 00:47:08.159 --> 00:47:10.920 them in the light. So that's when all the you know, 896 00:47:11.000 --> 00:47:13.599 light workers piece and some one like that's bullshit as well. 897 00:47:14.079 --> 00:47:16.079 You're working with both, you know, like if you're on 898 00:47:16.119 --> 00:47:18.360 every really middle pillar, you've got to work with both. 899 00:47:18.400 --> 00:47:19.519 That's that's how it goes. 900 00:47:19.679 --> 00:47:23.000 But you rectify the bat the quote unquote bat or shadow, 901 00:47:23.320 --> 00:47:26.719 you integrate, and you use the light like you use 902 00:47:27.159 --> 00:47:28.280 get both of them, all. 903 00:47:28.159 --> 00:47:33.480 Of them exactly. I want to just sucking that what 904 00:47:33.559 --> 00:47:36.880 Matt said. It's not about going to the extreme opposite 905 00:47:36.960 --> 00:47:39.639 of the right hand pillar either. It's really at least 906 00:47:39.639 --> 00:47:43.920 for how the Gray Lodge and just knee Jin personally 907 00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:47.159 approaches Kabala. I'm a middle path person. I also practice 908 00:47:47.159 --> 00:47:50.360 Buddhism obviously, so we're a middle path religion. So this 909 00:47:50.480 --> 00:47:53.360 is like something that's very very very important to us. 910 00:47:53.639 --> 00:47:57.559 But I also see that it's metaphysically, metaphysically very potent. 911 00:47:58.079 --> 00:48:00.840 Now it doesn't have the same necessarily the qualities, but 912 00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:03.679 as we discussed in the Lost episode with Nick and Ice, 913 00:48:04.280 --> 00:48:08.880 like there is everything and Oakma has all the potential. 914 00:48:09.719 --> 00:48:13.599 So you know, there's just because it doesn't seem maybe 915 00:48:13.639 --> 00:48:17.360 as metaphysically potent to draw from other sufferer or to 916 00:48:17.440 --> 00:48:21.239 balance yourself out or to rectify it. Actually is it 917 00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:23.599 just it takes a little longer and it's a lot harder. 918 00:48:26.360 --> 00:48:29.880 M Something I did want to add too. When I've 919 00:48:29.880 --> 00:48:34.800 had my experience. You know, I've said that I've gone 920 00:48:34.920 --> 00:48:38.519 kind of death. I don't hear anything. Well, of course 921 00:48:38.559 --> 00:48:40.280 the abyss. So I have wondered if that has something 922 00:48:40.280 --> 00:48:41.119 to do with the silence. 923 00:48:43.519 --> 00:48:44.760 What else did I want to say? 924 00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:49.519 You could say that silence was like, for example, one 925 00:48:49.519 --> 00:48:52.199 way to interpret it would be even in the eyeindsoft, 926 00:48:52.519 --> 00:48:55.039 like you're getting into you're getting already outside. 927 00:48:54.639 --> 00:48:57.719 Of the tree and to the to the endless right, and. 928 00:48:57.679 --> 00:49:01.559 Some i'ld say mostly left hand path workers would say 929 00:49:01.599 --> 00:49:03.239 that's the end right, like you end there in the 930 00:49:03.599 --> 00:49:05.840 whenever you die, you go to the void and whatever, 931 00:49:05.880 --> 00:49:08.280 you don't have anything anymore. Sure you can in there, 932 00:49:08.320 --> 00:49:10.480 but there's still the ein right, you don't need to 933 00:49:10.480 --> 00:49:13.880 to get that far. But indeed, like if you if 934 00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:15.920 you remove all the illusions, that's the question, if you 935 00:49:16.000 --> 00:49:19.519 remove everything that are that is an illusion, what's left? 936 00:49:19.719 --> 00:49:21.920 Like who's the real you? You know, if if your 937 00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:26.239 character here like Matt nick Gin whatever was something built 938 00:49:26.320 --> 00:49:30.559 from its environment, family, anything, and you start removing that, 939 00:49:30.599 --> 00:49:32.119 you start tring to say, okay that that was just 940 00:49:32.159 --> 00:49:36.400 like a mini ai mini character programmed. Then okay, what's left? 941 00:49:36.440 --> 00:49:39.360 You know, what's the essence? Really the same with the 942 00:49:39.440 --> 00:49:41.920 kliff As were built out of the tree. You know 943 00:49:41.960 --> 00:49:44.119 when they start doing some associations and one. 944 00:49:46.039 --> 00:49:48.280 Right, that's a klipa. That's a great point, Matt, is 945 00:49:48.280 --> 00:49:52.440 that even us to give attributions to the suffra it. 946 00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:54.519 Like we said the last time, it should be always 947 00:49:54.559 --> 00:49:58.840 be quality less. Like whether it's lapisla ua or turquoise, 948 00:49:58.880 --> 00:50:02.239 it's still clear. So if we can get our consciousness 949 00:50:02.239 --> 00:50:05.920 to recognize that at all times, then that's really the 950 00:50:05.960 --> 00:50:16.559 potent sort of element of the tree. 951 00:50:15.679 --> 00:50:19.719 Well, uh, was there anything else you wanted to say about. 952 00:50:19.880 --> 00:50:21.719 You know, maybe we'll move on. 953 00:50:24.840 --> 00:50:26.679 Oh, I just wanted to throw this out there, that 954 00:50:26.719 --> 00:50:31.760 there are some interesting Vedic astrological associations. There is an 955 00:50:31.920 --> 00:50:36.960 amethyst is sometimes given as a remedy for Saturn or Shawnee, 956 00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:43.360 also sapphire, blue sapphire. I always thought this was really interesting. 957 00:50:43.400 --> 00:50:46.159 I brought it also many years ago with you Nick 958 00:50:46.280 --> 00:50:49.159 on our Tantra Ancobala series, but and you seemed really 959 00:50:49.199 --> 00:50:51.719 interested in it. Is that blue sapphire is actually the 960 00:50:51.760 --> 00:50:56.719 planetary It's considered the highest planetary stone of Saturn in 961 00:50:56.960 --> 00:50:59.840 Vedic astrology, and so it's a little different. You can 962 00:50:59.840 --> 00:51:02.159 see that they're much more oriented to that blue or 963 00:51:02.199 --> 00:51:06.440 color rather than a pure pitch black. So I always 964 00:51:06.440 --> 00:51:09.039 thought that was really interesting. And also like the what 965 00:51:09.119 --> 00:51:11.719 we were talking about, especially what you talked about, Nick, 966 00:51:11.920 --> 00:51:17.320 was that kind of constrictive and destructive mode that is 967 00:51:17.360 --> 00:51:22.440 that path between Hope, Ma and Benna. It's a path 968 00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:26.400 of fire and earth and air obviously arises through that interaction. 969 00:51:26.920 --> 00:51:28.599 So it's it's it's very interesting. 970 00:51:31.920 --> 00:51:35.000 Thank you, Uh, Matt, is there anything that you wanted 971 00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:37.679 to add? 972 00:51:37.760 --> 00:51:42.159 I think, uh, thank you both. 973 00:51:42.239 --> 00:51:44.480 You know again, I think an overall theme is a 974 00:51:44.599 --> 00:51:50.679 you know, time, death and stuff like that. All right, 975 00:51:50.760 --> 00:51:52.760 So yeah, now when I go into I'm going to 976 00:51:52.840 --> 00:51:56.159 cover death, and like I had said, you know, I 977 00:51:56.280 --> 00:51:59.639 really didn't get much into even really acknowledging that street 978 00:51:59.719 --> 00:52:03.280 until after I had magical experience. The way I'll be, 979 00:52:03.440 --> 00:52:06.360 you know, kind of giving these associations is that of 980 00:52:06.400 --> 00:52:11.159 Gareth Knight's book, Practical Guide to Cabalistic Symbolism. His book 981 00:52:11.239 --> 00:52:13.440 has the spheres and the pats in it, and it's 982 00:52:13.639 --> 00:52:15.960 it was probably my favorite Kabbala book out of all the. 983 00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:19.199 Ones I've read. So I just figured i'd pull his 984 00:52:19.639 --> 00:52:22.760 you know stuff that he has for the associations. 985 00:52:24.079 --> 00:52:26.840 I guess, you know, the Hebrew meeting knowledge. Well, that's 986 00:52:26.920 --> 00:52:29.239 kind of like, you know, I think, what's the names 987 00:52:29.239 --> 00:52:33.159 for the sphere? It's you know, considered invisible or unnumbered. 988 00:52:34.559 --> 00:52:38.360 He hasn't hear. The magical image would be Janus, the 989 00:52:38.440 --> 00:52:42.559 divine name. I think he leaves it open, but some 990 00:52:42.599 --> 00:52:46.480 people have used jah hevad Heyliam that kind of like, 991 00:52:47.239 --> 00:52:50.039 I don't know, I think that's usually ready. There's no 992 00:52:50.159 --> 00:52:52.719 archangel that he doesn't attribute anything to that. The colors 993 00:52:52.760 --> 00:52:56.280 he attributes to it would be lavender, silver gray, pure 994 00:52:56.400 --> 00:53:01.079 violet gray flecked with yellow. The virtue would be in 995 00:53:01.320 --> 00:53:05.920 personal justice, the capacity to act without ego, eat with 996 00:53:05.960 --> 00:53:14.440 the ego and bias, vices, doubt, apathy and nurture, cowardice, pride, vision, 997 00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:19.760 vision across the abyss Mundane correspondence. 998 00:53:21.679 --> 00:53:27.039 Knights favor Serious. So that's interesting. They he's using, I 999 00:53:27.039 --> 00:53:29.079 guess serious as the fixed star. 1000 00:53:30.639 --> 00:53:35.880 Wonderf won. If Mario does that, that's interesting. Keith symbol 1001 00:53:35.920 --> 00:53:39.639 could be prism, an empty room, a condemned cell, sacred mountaintop, 1002 00:53:40.480 --> 00:53:45.719 grain of corn, and the Yeah, that's about it for 1003 00:53:45.760 --> 00:53:49.440 the associations that I have. I don't know if maybe 1004 00:53:49.480 --> 00:53:51.840 a gin. I know you do go on about Doth 1005 00:53:51.880 --> 00:53:54.440 a lot and I put you on the spot now, 1006 00:53:54.480 --> 00:53:56.280 But like I guess what would be your if you 1007 00:53:56.360 --> 00:53:58.960 want to take it away with your experience with Doth. 1008 00:54:00.639 --> 00:54:03.079 Like you said, Nick, I think you said it the best, 1009 00:54:03.119 --> 00:54:04.920 and you said it first, like I'm not going to 1010 00:54:05.199 --> 00:54:07.880 take that from you, but you said it. You only 1011 00:54:08.000 --> 00:54:11.880 became more interested in it after you add magical experiences. 1012 00:54:12.119 --> 00:54:14.039 So this was really interesting to me When you first 1013 00:54:14.079 --> 00:54:18.559 said that. I can't remember exactly when, but that's exactly 1014 00:54:18.599 --> 00:54:22.199 my experience as well, it seemed like almost impossible to 1015 00:54:22.280 --> 00:54:26.960 get to place. Just reading about it intellectually, it didn't 1016 00:54:26.960 --> 00:54:30.360 seem and I think it's actually supposed to be like that. 1017 00:54:30.880 --> 00:54:33.800 I think it's actually supposed to be a threshold. Obviously 1018 00:54:33.800 --> 00:54:36.599 that's part of the name of my show. So I 1019 00:54:36.639 --> 00:54:40.320 do think that Doth is a threshold, and I think 1020 00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:45.519 it is. You don't need to worry about it so much, 1021 00:54:45.639 --> 00:54:48.039 like I have a contour of what it is, but 1022 00:54:48.119 --> 00:54:51.760 be flexible, because I think a lot of magicians, like 1023 00:54:51.880 --> 00:54:54.440 I like Kenneth Grant, and I like mom Zone, and 1024 00:54:54.760 --> 00:54:57.440 it's very interesting to me all that, but I think 1025 00:54:57.480 --> 00:55:00.960 they get very fixed on what these kinds of places 1026 00:55:01.119 --> 00:55:04.039 or what these things are. And it's also about, like 1027 00:55:04.239 --> 00:55:06.559 we've talked about many times, it's about like the meta 1028 00:55:06.599 --> 00:55:10.119 myth of other magicians telling you, oh, when you're climbing 1029 00:55:10.119 --> 00:55:13.840 the tree, you're going to experience you're going to see machineows. 1030 00:55:13.840 --> 00:55:16.280 Like to bring up Brogan, you tell people you're going 1031 00:55:16.360 --> 00:55:19.440 to see machineows, they're more inclined to see machineows. That's 1032 00:55:19.480 --> 00:55:24.039 just the reality you're suggestive, right, So Kenneth Grant really 1033 00:55:24.039 --> 00:55:26.440 places this idea of like a very fixed kind of 1034 00:55:26.519 --> 00:55:29.239 like you know, I often joke about this. I won't 1035 00:55:29.360 --> 00:55:32.679 use the specific language that I do, but a kind 1036 00:55:32.800 --> 00:55:40.920 of we'll say hermaphroditic, feminine ish kind of quibel goddess thing. 1037 00:55:41.199 --> 00:55:44.559 And I don't necessarily agree with that. I'm not saying 1038 00:55:44.599 --> 00:55:47.320 that that's not through in some ways, but I think 1039 00:55:47.360 --> 00:55:50.760 that I wouldn't. I never used that container to describe it. 1040 00:55:50.960 --> 00:55:55.079 And I think it's actually a very masculine sephra. That's 1041 00:55:55.079 --> 00:55:57.960 how Buddhist would understand it. It'd be a very masculine 1042 00:55:58.119 --> 00:56:02.800 sepher And there's actually a really interesting named Manjusri and 1043 00:56:02.920 --> 00:56:08.639 Manjutrie is the Bodhisappa of nondual nosis. So this is 1044 00:56:08.679 --> 00:56:14.440 also how Doth is sometimes translated ass So I just think, well, 1045 00:56:14.519 --> 00:56:17.800 isn't that interesting. Maybe the sort of idea of Doth 1046 00:56:18.039 --> 00:56:21.480 is nondual in its core, it's like beyond death and 1047 00:56:21.519 --> 00:56:25.360 it's beyond time, and it's also beyond the conceptualization of 1048 00:56:25.400 --> 00:56:28.960 our minds, and then what is left, well there's smoke. 1049 00:56:29.480 --> 00:56:32.800 So I think that's a lot of sort of that experience, 1050 00:56:32.840 --> 00:56:35.400 and I think even the colors really spoke to that 1051 00:56:35.480 --> 00:56:40.199 when Nick went through them. 1052 00:56:40.320 --> 00:56:43.079 Yeah, that is very it's a very interesting sphere. Like 1053 00:56:43.840 --> 00:56:49.519 the way I understand it also from experiences is it's 1054 00:56:50.280 --> 00:56:54.039 basically after light, so you have again farmless thearity right 1055 00:56:54.599 --> 00:56:59.079 became light at Hofman Goth compressed and that's the compression, 1056 00:56:59.159 --> 00:57:04.400 the the contraction. Here it gets expanded again, so it's 1057 00:57:04.440 --> 00:57:07.760 like the portal again between the three at the top 1058 00:57:08.079 --> 00:57:11.039 and all the rest. So another way also you can 1059 00:57:11.079 --> 00:57:14.400 see it in that's the way I risk on Kabbala. 1060 00:57:14.440 --> 00:57:17.320 It is like connecting other cultures. You can see it 1061 00:57:17.360 --> 00:57:21.000 in the and the ying yang. Actually the way I 1062 00:57:21.079 --> 00:57:24.280 understand it, you can see like as the duality itself, 1063 00:57:24.480 --> 00:57:26.599 so the black part of the ying yang, which is 1064 00:57:26.639 --> 00:57:29.320 the ying in this case would be the bina kind 1065 00:57:29.320 --> 00:57:33.039 of going again in the this portal towards all the 1066 00:57:33.119 --> 00:57:35.079 other things. And the way they explain it also is 1067 00:57:35.159 --> 00:57:38.800 very interesting because they say from like the tall the 1068 00:57:38.920 --> 00:57:42.760 towel comes the ying yang or something like that. From 1069 00:57:42.800 --> 00:57:45.239 the towel comes to yang, the yang comes the ying 1070 00:57:45.320 --> 00:57:47.639 and so on, like it's just tryad and then from 1071 00:57:47.679 --> 00:57:51.199 it comes all the like ten thousand things. So again 1072 00:57:51.239 --> 00:57:55.039 from Benig it's everything is it's berthed and one. So 1073 00:57:55.679 --> 00:57:59.039 it's again and when people say, oh, it's the sphere 1074 00:57:59.079 --> 00:58:02.039 not sphere, the thing not thing that, and when you 1075 00:58:02.039 --> 00:58:05.280 interact with it you understand. Okay, at least from my perspective, 1076 00:58:05.599 --> 00:58:09.199 it's this kind of duality, this kind of in between worlds. 1077 00:58:10.280 --> 00:58:14.480 You could say also it's the hades or other correspondss 1078 00:58:14.519 --> 00:58:18.239 like Pluto osires like this under. 1079 00:58:19.599 --> 00:58:20.480 Underworld God. 1080 00:58:20.760 --> 00:58:22.840 So again it's the one and where is the underworld 1081 00:58:22.920 --> 00:58:25.440 again in the mind always right, it's the you can 1082 00:58:25.440 --> 00:58:26.719 say it's like the subconscious. 1083 00:58:26.760 --> 00:58:30.760 So it's it's. 1084 00:58:29.199 --> 00:58:32.280 Behind, it's it's guarding all the richness again, all the 1085 00:58:32.320 --> 00:58:34.159 things that you have, all the programmings that you have 1086 00:58:34.199 --> 00:58:36.960 in your mind. And to go there you need to, 1087 00:58:37.199 --> 00:58:39.519 you know, go through this quote unquote Porto. You need 1088 00:58:39.599 --> 00:58:43.000 to not be here, not so here anymore and there. 1089 00:58:43.079 --> 00:58:45.760 So it's kind of duality. I think that plays a lot. 1090 00:58:46.440 --> 00:58:50.079 So also there's the I think it's called Arich and 1091 00:58:50.559 --> 00:58:52.840 Arich and pin or something like that, like the short 1092 00:58:52.880 --> 00:58:56.480 face God, long faced God, uh, that they'll talk about 1093 00:58:56.480 --> 00:59:00.599 in like Hebrew Cabala. So again it's you start to 1094 00:59:00.639 --> 00:59:04.360 see how they portray it. It's very very very similar. 1095 00:59:04.360 --> 00:59:07.840 Also when you'll start experiencing the things. 1096 00:59:11.360 --> 00:59:13.719 Uh, you know one thing I do want to tow 1097 00:59:13.800 --> 00:59:15.719 us in. Uh gen, I. 1098 00:59:15.719 --> 00:59:17.440 See you brought up another image, so I'll jump over 1099 00:59:17.480 --> 00:59:21.679 to that after this, uh for me, and I guess 1100 00:59:21.679 --> 00:59:24.320 like why it clicked in my head to start paying 1101 00:59:24.360 --> 00:59:27.199 attention to it. And again it's sent to sound cheesy 1102 00:59:27.360 --> 00:59:29.960 or you know whatever it is, what it is, it's 1103 00:59:29.960 --> 00:59:32.920 my experience. How it seemed to happen is that after 1104 00:59:32.960 --> 00:59:35.679 I have these like magical experiences, you know, I think 1105 00:59:35.679 --> 00:59:38.960 I crossed the abyss. When I open up my eyes, 1106 00:59:39.960 --> 00:59:43.760 I will have like just this flutter of stuff go 1107 00:59:44.039 --> 00:59:46.960 like come into me. That like it's just like somehow 1108 00:59:46.960 --> 00:59:49.320 it's a knowing. It's not like a faith. It's hard 1109 00:59:49.400 --> 00:59:52.920 to explain. And I've always felt like maybe that's you know, 1110 00:59:52.960 --> 00:59:56.039 the knowledge that starts to come, you know, flutter into 1111 00:59:56.039 --> 00:59:57.679 your head after after your experience. 1112 00:59:58.239 --> 00:59:59.320 You know, I don't know how that is. 1113 00:59:59.320 --> 01:00:00.760 I don't know if it's like you know, I've I've 1114 01:00:00.880 --> 01:00:03.000 questioned like are you tapping into like you know, the 1115 01:00:03.119 --> 01:00:07.760 ole or like every everything everything exists, you know, so 1116 01:00:07.800 --> 01:00:10.280 you can just pick up ideas and maybe I don't know, 1117 01:00:10.280 --> 01:00:11.960 want to open up my eyes some of it gets 1118 01:00:13.039 --> 01:00:16.960 converted into thought in this reality and it comes back 1119 01:00:17.000 --> 01:00:19.599 with me. But there is knowing of things that I 1120 01:00:19.599 --> 01:00:23.079 didn't know prior for me at least, So I just 1121 01:00:23.079 --> 01:00:24.039 want to throw that in there. 1122 01:00:26.000 --> 01:00:27.360 I one hundred percent agree with that. 1123 01:00:27.519 --> 01:00:31.039 Sorry, man, no, go on, just ready. Yeah, I feel 1124 01:00:31.079 --> 01:00:31.599 the same. 1125 01:00:33.000 --> 01:00:34.880 I mean, yeah, that's what it. That's really what it is. 1126 01:00:34.920 --> 01:00:37.199 It's where the lightning happens. I think that that's a 1127 01:00:37.239 --> 01:00:40.639 really interesting sort of way to call it or to 1128 01:00:40.840 --> 01:00:43.079 articulate it. And I think that it's also a place 1129 01:00:43.079 --> 01:00:46.119 of synthesis, like I think it's a it's it becomes 1130 01:00:46.159 --> 01:00:49.559 accessible to the magician after he crosses the threshold and 1131 01:00:49.760 --> 01:00:53.440 sort of figures out a regular, maybe not fixed way, 1132 01:00:53.480 --> 01:00:57.239 but a kind of a hermoneutic to get back. So 1133 01:00:57.519 --> 01:01:00.400 I agree with you, it's an incredibly important for us. 1134 01:01:00.760 --> 01:01:02.880 And I think this is why Romic was smart to 1135 01:01:03.000 --> 01:01:05.320 not actually place it on the tree and to say 1136 01:01:05.599 --> 01:01:08.880 is the fifth density rather than to say, oh, it's 1137 01:01:08.880 --> 01:01:11.639 this place that you go to, But maybe it's in 1138 01:01:11.800 --> 01:01:15.400 all the different kinds of wisdoms or all the different 1139 01:01:15.480 --> 01:01:19.320 kinds of splendors that you experience that are of God. 1140 01:01:19.440 --> 01:01:22.760 Well that's his idea, right, So, and I think that's 1141 01:01:22.840 --> 01:01:25.960 actually more true. I think it's more like there's a 1142 01:01:26.400 --> 01:01:28.599 in Buddhism, we would say there's an emptiness behind the 1143 01:01:28.679 --> 01:01:31.199 nature of all things. And as Lisa and I have 1144 01:01:31.800 --> 01:01:35.320 often said together, it's emptiness is not nothingness, it's luminousness 1145 01:01:35.320 --> 01:01:40.280 and masslessness. So it's like a higher consciousness beyond than 1146 01:01:40.760 --> 01:01:43.639 like even our vessel or our husk is capable of 1147 01:01:43.760 --> 01:01:46.920 at regular times. But it's also accessible. And so a 1148 01:01:46.960 --> 01:01:49.440 lot of Buddhists will talk about like Rigpa, this diamond 1149 01:01:49.440 --> 01:01:52.079 thunder mind, this kind of like clear expanse in space, 1150 01:01:52.239 --> 01:01:55.679 like a brother soular from our lodge. He'll talk about 1151 01:01:55.719 --> 01:01:58.000 how the death and red power are very similar, are 1152 01:01:58.000 --> 01:02:01.719 the same, and I agree, so agree. So there's this 1153 01:02:02.039 --> 01:02:05.280 icon that Nick brought up, thinking Nika is really it's 1154 01:02:05.280 --> 01:02:09.199 a beautiful icon a. It's a deity called Havazra, so 1155 01:02:09.239 --> 01:02:14.159 that even his name can actually be described as the 1156 01:02:14.239 --> 01:02:18.480 diamond thunder breath. And his wife's name is actually ne Raima, 1157 01:02:18.960 --> 01:02:23.880 which means she who is without fixed self. Now this 1158 01:02:23.920 --> 01:02:26.760 is a different contract deity that Nick brought up, also 1159 01:02:26.800 --> 01:02:31.960 a phenomenal tanka ga jud jin. But so this is Yamataka, 1160 01:02:32.239 --> 01:02:35.199 the slayer of death, and actually if you look under 1161 01:02:35.199 --> 01:02:38.559 his feet, he is standing on both Shiva, but we 1162 01:02:38.559 --> 01:02:41.000 wouldn't call him Shiva. We'd call him by Rava. So 1163 01:02:41.119 --> 01:02:46.039 the ferocious god of time and his wife and his wife, 1164 01:02:46.159 --> 01:02:50.320 so the guy with the bullface very Moloch, but his 1165 01:02:50.400 --> 01:02:54.840 wife is actually named Vadra, the Tully, the diamond thunder vampire. 1166 01:02:55.280 --> 01:02:58.840 He has to raise her back into life. That's why 1167 01:02:58.880 --> 01:03:01.119 I often say that this is where the lightning happens, 1168 01:03:01.519 --> 01:03:04.480 because you have to conquer your fears. So, yes, there 1169 01:03:04.519 --> 01:03:07.199 is an interaction with Benna. There's an interaction with Saturn, 1170 01:03:07.679 --> 01:03:11.519 but you're moving away from that. You're very plutonic. Now, 1171 01:03:11.599 --> 01:03:13.199 I don't know if Matt agrees with us, and Matt 1172 01:03:13.239 --> 01:03:15.880 you can chime it in now, of course. But I 1173 01:03:16.039 --> 01:03:19.159 like Pluto for Dove. I think it makes sense. But 1174 01:03:19.320 --> 01:03:22.239 I also agree, and we've talked about this many times, 1175 01:03:22.320 --> 01:03:26.519 is that though the dot Heather and Hope mok shift 1176 01:03:26.760 --> 01:03:29.440 and can be understood in different ways depending on different 1177 01:03:29.519 --> 01:03:32.679 kalpas or AONs. So it's good, it's very good to 1178 01:03:32.719 --> 01:03:35.159 not have a fixed position. But I do like Pluto 1179 01:03:35.239 --> 01:03:38.800 because this is kind of more of the Buddhist idea. Yeah, 1180 01:03:38.880 --> 01:03:40.039 I just want to throw that in there. 1181 01:03:40.280 --> 01:03:43.039 Again, we were talking about right not being fixed on 1182 01:03:43.280 --> 01:03:46.599 the ideas, and the way I like to explain it is, 1183 01:03:46.719 --> 01:03:49.559 whenever you relate something to a sphere, it's not about 1184 01:03:49.880 --> 01:03:52.400 that thing being the sphere or the sphere being the thing, 1185 01:03:52.599 --> 01:03:57.079 but rather that's a good example, like generally of that sphere. 1186 01:03:57.239 --> 01:03:59.960 So let's say, let's use a mounding thing. If I'm 1187 01:04:00.039 --> 01:04:02.840 talking about footballers, I'm not gonna talk about like a 1188 01:04:02.920 --> 01:04:05.639 guy like Gordon Ramsay or whatever, I like a cook. 1189 01:04:05.679 --> 01:04:09.039 I'm gonna talk about Cristiana Ronaldo, Pele or whatever, someone 1190 01:04:09.079 --> 01:04:11.480 that is good as a footballer, which doesn't mean that 1191 01:04:11.519 --> 01:04:15.519 the footballer isn't also something else, like he's a father, 1192 01:04:15.639 --> 01:04:17.920 he's like the man, he's this, that that, that's one. 1193 01:04:18.280 --> 01:04:20.360 So in the same way, I completely agree, not only 1194 01:04:20.400 --> 01:04:24.480 I would say, not only even the three like the 1195 01:04:24.480 --> 01:04:28.039 top ones, uh cater Hoffmand, you know, but any of them. 1196 01:04:28.239 --> 01:04:31.320 So you could say even that. Again, whatever we relate 1197 01:04:31.360 --> 01:04:35.480 things to Mars or story to get are not always there. 1198 01:04:35.519 --> 01:04:36.039 Like the tree. 1199 01:04:37.239 --> 01:04:39.039 I can share the screen in a bit, but like 1200 01:04:39.079 --> 01:04:41.960 the tree, to my understanding, is always moving. And even 1201 01:04:42.000 --> 01:04:45.199 that plays into that a bit, which, by the way, 1202 01:04:45.400 --> 01:04:49.719 just remember there's this Egyptian concept of do what which 1203 01:04:50.079 --> 01:04:54.719 Again you start to understand it's their underworld. It's like, oh, okay, 1204 01:04:54.920 --> 01:04:56.880 so who came with the concept first, you know, but 1205 01:04:57.440 --> 01:05:00.440 it's whatever, it's funny, uh. And you have this idea 1206 01:05:00.480 --> 01:05:04.360 of every four AONs, okay, every four ages if we're 1207 01:05:04.400 --> 01:05:07.880 talking about astrology in general, like this a lot is 1208 01:05:08.559 --> 01:05:12.079 you build, you build another sphere. So again the tree 1209 01:05:12.599 --> 01:05:15.400 when it was like I don't know, eight thousand years 1210 01:05:15.440 --> 01:05:18.519 ago something like that, we had the ogdoad. So again 1211 01:05:18.559 --> 01:05:22.320 the Egyptian they'd had the eight spheres three and then 1212 01:05:22.400 --> 01:05:24.239 we had like the nine spheres three and now we 1213 01:05:24.280 --> 01:05:27.800 have like a ten spheres three with a eleventh sphere 1214 01:05:27.800 --> 01:05:32.760 not sphere. So so my understanding cosmologically, the tree keeps evolving, 1215 01:05:32.920 --> 01:05:37.000 and that as from my perspective, and also the way 1216 01:05:37.000 --> 01:05:38.960 I was initiated, and I see it makes sense. 1217 01:05:39.199 --> 01:05:40.239 Is the next. 1218 01:05:40.039 --> 01:05:43.760 Sphere being built, so again every four cycles, so you 1219 01:05:43.840 --> 01:05:47.400 have fire age like we had. The last one was 1220 01:05:47.440 --> 01:05:54.320 aries then fire sorry no earth, fire, water and air, 1221 01:05:54.400 --> 01:05:58.159 so you have earth. The last one was Tarus, so fire, aries, water, spi, 1222 01:05:58.280 --> 01:06:01.280 seas are now air Aquarius would be the end of 1223 01:06:01.400 --> 01:06:04.039 the construction of the thing, and then you might see, okay, 1224 01:06:04.519 --> 01:06:07.000 wait a second, is it now getting so popular like 1225 01:06:07.119 --> 01:06:10.119 VR and like getting into the digital ground, like crypto 1226 01:06:10.199 --> 01:06:12.760 and like everything digital. Again, this separate world that we 1227 01:06:12.800 --> 01:06:16.440 are creating, it's like the end simulation. Let's say that 1228 01:06:16.480 --> 01:06:18.840 we are entering and again another shire, like you keep 1229 01:06:18.960 --> 01:06:21.280 entering and some one very speculative. But it's the way 1230 01:06:21.280 --> 01:06:25.079 that I understand that as again, this thing that it's 1231 01:06:25.119 --> 01:06:27.119 here but not here, like Wi Fi, you know, like 1232 01:06:27.199 --> 01:06:31.199 you can interact with it, but you cannot really do anything. 1233 01:06:31.199 --> 01:06:33.599 More like you can interact with it through some means, 1234 01:06:34.079 --> 01:06:36.079 but it's not really here, like you cannot point to it. 1235 01:06:36.119 --> 01:06:37.639 You cannot. You know, it's very. 1236 01:06:39.239 --> 01:06:42.840 Abstract, it's very not here and so on, but it 1237 01:06:42.920 --> 01:06:46.119 is here at the same time. So also I saw 1238 01:06:46.119 --> 01:06:50.079 someone mentioning Tarot, and the way I used Tarrot with 1239 01:06:50.119 --> 01:06:52.960 the kabala is I placed all the royal ship cards 1240 01:06:53.400 --> 01:06:56.719 or royalty cards sorry in the in the off so 1241 01:06:56.760 --> 01:07:01.119 any of like the king, Queen, the page and knights. 1242 01:07:01.679 --> 01:07:04.159 So that's how I use them, and it seems to 1243 01:07:04.159 --> 01:07:07.360 be very interesting because then you understand them. It's kind 1244 01:07:07.360 --> 01:07:10.519 of like the personalities in the reading. So if you're 1245 01:07:10.559 --> 01:07:12.840 doing some type of reading and then you know King 1246 01:07:12.880 --> 01:07:15.559 of Ones comes or whatever, they understand. Okay, it's the 1247 01:07:15.599 --> 01:07:20.280 personality of like the active thing, that the active, active 1248 01:07:20.320 --> 01:07:21.000 masculine thing, the. 1249 01:07:21.000 --> 01:07:22.679 Starter with the fire. 1250 01:07:22.800 --> 01:07:29.800 So again in h Absolute, I think the firework right. 1251 01:07:31.079 --> 01:07:34.119 So again you can start to play on all those ideas. 1252 01:07:35.800 --> 01:07:38.000 That's great, Matt, I totally agree. I just want to 1253 01:07:38.000 --> 01:07:40.239 point out, like even what you said about the absolute world, 1254 01:07:40.320 --> 01:07:42.760 you can see at the if you're looking at the screen, 1255 01:07:42.800 --> 01:07:46.239 it's on your the viewers, the witnesses right hand side, 1256 01:07:46.440 --> 01:07:49.920 you see Street w Pauld and Lama Aka Mahakali. So 1257 01:07:49.960 --> 01:07:53.079 we talked about Collie for Bana, but you can see 1258 01:07:53.119 --> 01:07:55.760 her at the bottom there, and she's surrounded by smoke 1259 01:07:56.519 --> 01:08:00.599 not fire, meaning and she's riding the donkey the ass 1260 01:08:00.599 --> 01:08:01.920 at the end of the world, if you want to 1261 01:08:01.920 --> 01:08:04.639 call it that. But it's interesting because that I've always 1262 01:08:04.719 --> 01:08:07.440 thought that that fits very well with the Hebrew path 1263 01:08:08.039 --> 01:08:11.679 between Binnah and Hokema, because the world is already destroyed 1264 01:08:12.239 --> 01:08:15.519 as she rides between as she rides between time and 1265 01:08:15.559 --> 01:08:19.880 the idea, between understanding and wisdom. I really think that 1266 01:08:21.199 --> 01:08:24.760 it's destroyed. But then she also brings it back into formation. 1267 01:08:25.680 --> 01:08:28.319 She's also destroying as she goes, So you're kind of 1268 01:08:28.399 --> 01:08:31.479 losing that fire world and you're gaining like exactly what 1269 01:08:31.520 --> 01:08:34.520 Matt said, you're gaining a ground because it's a burning ground. 1270 01:08:34.600 --> 01:08:38.159 It's not totally there's still fire, there's still air, there's 1271 01:08:38.199 --> 01:08:42.159 still earth, and what we were missing really is always water. 1272 01:08:43.399 --> 01:08:45.800 At least in my opinion, I think that that is 1273 01:08:45.920 --> 01:08:49.000 more true than not true. Is like we are not 1274 01:08:49.199 --> 01:08:53.760 drawing maybe the proper portion from the right pillar as 1275 01:08:53.840 --> 01:08:56.880 much as we can be that hasthetic kind of ideas 1276 01:08:56.920 --> 01:08:58.840 of loving Kindnessey. I know Matt knows that I'm very 1277 01:08:58.880 --> 01:09:01.680 fixated on this, but I think it's a really important note, 1278 01:09:01.760 --> 01:09:04.119 especially if you're looking at Fortis iconography, that we do 1279 01:09:04.199 --> 01:09:07.279 really place high emphasis on body cheetah. Whether that's exactly 1280 01:09:07.319 --> 01:09:09.880 the same as loving kindness, I think it is, but 1281 01:09:10.439 --> 01:09:11.960 maybe brother Soul would disagree. 1282 01:09:17.880 --> 01:09:18.079 Yeah. 1283 01:09:18.119 --> 01:09:19.880 Another way I like to see it as well, is 1284 01:09:19.920 --> 01:09:22.399 like when you are going up the tree, which I 1285 01:09:22.399 --> 01:09:24.920 don't recommend you for a beginning like going up the tree, 1286 01:09:24.920 --> 01:09:27.119 I mean going with the kliffas, like breaking the klifas 1287 01:09:27.119 --> 01:09:30.000 and swamp, and then you reach that then you start 1288 01:09:30.039 --> 01:09:33.079 coming down the tree with the liking path and creating things, 1289 01:09:33.079 --> 01:09:36.159 and then it becomes like this circle. Right, you start again, 1290 01:09:36.640 --> 01:09:40.720 you directify yourself, create something, and then erect for yourself 1291 01:09:40.760 --> 01:09:42.279 create something, and then it goes. 1292 01:09:42.079 --> 01:09:43.600 On on and on infantly. 1293 01:09:44.720 --> 01:09:46.920 So he plays this role of like being a portal. 1294 01:09:50.000 --> 01:09:52.600 Oh for me, this is killer. Yeah, the my man. 1295 01:09:53.399 --> 01:09:59.000 Sorry, yeah, I always love what he comes off. 1296 01:10:01.479 --> 01:10:02.920 Something. I just want to ask. It's used to like. 1297 01:10:02.960 --> 01:10:05.239 Little small things that I'm getting out of, Uh that 1298 01:10:05.279 --> 01:10:07.439 I kind of got out of what Gareth Knight had 1299 01:10:07.479 --> 01:10:10.920 said in here, you know, the thing with Janice, you know, 1300 01:10:10.920 --> 01:10:14.439 And I always kind of like associated that with a 1301 01:10:15.399 --> 01:10:19.359 really chokema because I do think it's like, well, you 1302 01:10:19.439 --> 01:10:20.560 come and face to face with God. 1303 01:10:20.560 --> 01:10:22.119 But I do think like you kind of alsothing can 1304 01:10:22.199 --> 01:10:24.039 choose to go the other way. It's you know, almost 1305 01:10:24.079 --> 01:10:27.680 like another hinge again in itself. Uh. But I could 1306 01:10:27.720 --> 01:10:28.560 see that, you know, he. 1307 01:10:28.479 --> 01:10:31.920 Attributed to Doth and I could see that too, because 1308 01:10:31.920 --> 01:10:34.399 I guess at that point you would have experience of 1309 01:10:34.479 --> 01:10:37.439 both sides. Like I guess, like if you if you guess, 1310 01:10:37.439 --> 01:10:39.479 if you took on the Janice archetype, you've already been 1311 01:10:39.520 --> 01:10:42.079 there in the back, or you were on your way 1312 01:10:42.279 --> 01:10:48.279 practically there. So I did feel that was kind of interesting. 1313 01:10:48.399 --> 01:10:50.920 And then something with his vices that hit me as 1314 01:10:50.920 --> 01:10:53.840 I was reading it this time this time, you know, 1315 01:10:53.880 --> 01:11:00.479 he said doubt, apathy, inurtire, cowardice, or pride. I always 1316 01:11:00.479 --> 01:11:04.520 said for myself, whenever I have the magical experience, as 1317 01:11:04.560 --> 01:11:10.000 soon as I start kind of like thinking, it's it ends, 1318 01:11:10.039 --> 01:11:12.600 but like I'm realizing, most of my thoughts were always 1319 01:11:12.720 --> 01:11:14.279 like where am I? 1320 01:11:14.319 --> 01:11:16.479 And what am I? 1321 01:11:16.520 --> 01:11:20.159 And that was that doubt because I don't know, you know, 1322 01:11:20.479 --> 01:11:23.159 or one other time I was like, this doesn't look 1323 01:11:23.239 --> 01:11:25.039 like it might be a good experience. 1324 01:11:26.079 --> 01:11:29.359 Maybe I should not do this. Z that cowardice. 1325 01:11:29.960 --> 01:11:32.960 I don't know, but it just hit me when I was, 1326 01:11:33.039 --> 01:11:35.319 you know, reading that, because like that that kind of 1327 01:11:35.399 --> 01:11:39.920 is my experience that would take me out of the abyss. 1328 01:11:40.800 --> 01:11:41.199 I don't know. 1329 01:11:42.199 --> 01:11:46.159 Discursive thinking, no, exactly what you said, Nick, discursive thinking 1330 01:11:47.399 --> 01:11:49.760 is someone I saw how a tweet about this about 1331 01:11:49.760 --> 01:11:51.960 discursive thinking as like the truth skits is like this, 1332 01:11:52.520 --> 01:11:55.920 that's what makes reality is the schizophrenia. And I agree 1333 01:11:56.000 --> 01:11:58.800 with that is like when we expand into thought and 1334 01:11:59.079 --> 01:12:03.199 also like these outward klypothic consciousness that's not necessarily good 1335 01:12:03.239 --> 01:12:05.760 or bad, but just like names that we put on vessels, 1336 01:12:06.199 --> 01:12:08.520 so when we expand into that, we sort of break 1337 01:12:08.560 --> 01:12:12.520 out of that like a place where we're able to 1338 01:12:12.640 --> 01:12:16.720 access knowledge. I totally agree with that. So, yeah, I 1339 01:12:16.720 --> 01:12:19.039 think that's really interesting because this is what this deity 1340 01:12:19.119 --> 01:12:22.119 even represents. Like you can see there's Yama in the 1341 01:12:22.159 --> 01:12:25.119 bottom left hand corner, he's the god of death. Then 1342 01:12:25.159 --> 01:12:28.079 you have Mahakala, so you have the time king at 1343 01:12:28.119 --> 01:12:31.239 the bottom center, and then you have Malancoli there, so 1344 01:12:31.640 --> 01:12:34.920 he's higher than them. He's conquered them. He's conquered time, 1345 01:12:35.119 --> 01:12:39.479 conquered death, his wife has resurrected, So it's you know, 1346 01:12:39.520 --> 01:12:42.319 all the symbolism is really there, and like the generous thing, like, yeah, 1347 01:12:42.359 --> 01:12:46.199 he has heads pervading all realities. In Buddhism, there's ten directions, 1348 01:12:46.720 --> 01:12:49.039 so not all the deities have ten heads, but he 1349 01:12:49.079 --> 01:12:52.600 does in particular because it is kind of a liberatory. 1350 01:12:53.119 --> 01:12:57.039 It's a very liberatory sephra, And so I think Kenneth 1351 01:12:57.079 --> 01:13:00.000 Grant's like sort of inclination that it is very power 1352 01:13:00.079 --> 01:13:01.520 or full and sort of able to take you out 1353 01:13:01.560 --> 01:13:03.800 of the cube, Yes, because you're able to sort of 1354 01:13:03.880 --> 01:13:06.319 go outside the cube and then see what it is 1355 01:13:06.359 --> 01:13:11.439 maybe but with a like stronger understanding that it's also 1356 01:13:11.600 --> 01:13:15.800 conceptual and also in your mind. So it's like you 1357 01:13:15.880 --> 01:13:19.199 kind of create it. You kind of like Vanessa saying 1358 01:13:19.199 --> 01:13:21.720 the best, it's exactly that. It's like you see the 1359 01:13:21.760 --> 01:13:24.000 common ground, but the como ground is really your mind, 1360 01:13:24.560 --> 01:13:27.880 so you can decide how you interact and well also 1361 01:13:27.920 --> 01:13:28.800 what arises there. 1362 01:13:32.760 --> 01:13:34.439 Yeah, I like with Justin saying that too. 1363 01:13:34.960 --> 01:13:36.680 Yes, Jen, now that that is what I believe the 1364 01:13:36.720 --> 01:13:38.760 Book of Revelation does with John's vision too. 1365 01:13:40.199 --> 01:13:46.039 Mm hmm. But uh man, do you have anything else 1366 01:13:46.319 --> 01:13:47.960 you want to maybe add with doth. 1367 01:13:50.720 --> 01:13:54.479 I think it's a sy misunderstoodent usually also, that's something 1368 01:13:54.560 --> 01:13:56.880 to point out if you're like just I componly agree 1369 01:13:56.880 --> 01:13:57.079 with you. 1370 01:13:57.119 --> 01:13:57.640 Guys. 1371 01:13:58.319 --> 01:14:00.239 Don't go just by the books, you know, like the 1372 01:14:00.279 --> 01:14:02.079 book should be the the tech should be the foundation, 1373 01:14:02.399 --> 01:14:06.239 like the or better. Yet you should have a master 1374 01:14:06.359 --> 01:14:09.399 to like help you initiate. It's like the If you 1375 01:14:09.399 --> 01:14:11.920 think about it, it's mathematical. If you have someone which 1376 01:14:11.960 --> 01:14:14.600 comes from a lineage of people which were initiated in 1377 01:14:14.880 --> 01:14:17.520 so and so on. And that's for real, you're just 1378 01:14:17.560 --> 01:14:20.319 getting sped up. You know, you're you're not getting through 1379 01:14:20.399 --> 01:14:23.039 the experiences, just yourself and trying to figure out what 1380 01:14:23.159 --> 01:14:25.960 is and what isn't in swamp. So I'll say, especially 1381 01:14:26.000 --> 01:14:28.800 with that, it's very important that you try and have 1382 01:14:28.840 --> 01:14:32.680 the experiences through. You know, whatever it means is makes 1383 01:14:32.720 --> 01:14:37.720 more sense to you. I'd say personally again comes with environment. 1384 01:14:37.800 --> 01:14:40.600 So in Brazil it is legal is it can be 1385 01:14:40.840 --> 01:14:46.800 easy to find like ritualistic aauaska and mushrooms usage. And 1386 01:14:46.840 --> 01:14:50.520 to me, those were one of the experiences that helped 1387 01:14:50.520 --> 01:14:54.000 me break a lot of khleifas just because it put 1388 01:14:54.079 --> 01:14:56.640 me in this again here not here state. You know, 1389 01:14:56.760 --> 01:15:00.000 I was because when you are using an intellogy like ayauaska, 1390 01:15:00.039 --> 01:15:03.079 you're and I'm not advocating for it, don't use it 1391 01:15:03.119 --> 01:15:04.960 if you don't know what it is. Don't you know, 1392 01:15:05.079 --> 01:15:07.239 try it out. It's not a game. But the thing 1393 01:15:07.319 --> 01:15:11.399 is you are still conscious, but you're still accessing this 1394 01:15:11.479 --> 01:15:13.720 other place. You know, you're fully conscious of the thing 1395 01:15:13.760 --> 01:15:16.399 and you can you know, interact with all these different 1396 01:15:17.600 --> 01:15:20.359 ideas in your head and swam. So then it made 1397 01:15:20.359 --> 01:15:22.560 me were as well, Okay, maybe there's. 1398 01:15:22.399 --> 01:15:23.760 More to life than just material things. 1399 01:15:23.760 --> 01:15:27.039 You know, maybe I can start, yeah, having a look 1400 01:15:27.079 --> 01:15:29.680 at those things, you know more seriously, because I had 1401 01:15:29.720 --> 01:15:33.239 some experiences refer but still was super skeptical I'll say 1402 01:15:33.239 --> 01:15:35.560 getting into the top and again you would have to 1403 01:15:35.600 --> 01:15:39.159 go through that to go into the top three series. 1404 01:15:38.880 --> 01:15:41.079 Right, So it is very important that you know what 1405 01:15:41.119 --> 01:15:41.800 you're doing. 1406 01:15:42.560 --> 01:15:44.840 In a way that you also don't get down into 1407 01:15:44.840 --> 01:15:48.319 the clotic three right, because it is the portal. 1408 01:15:49.199 --> 01:15:55.119 So yeah, it's it's a very interesting sphere. 1409 01:15:55.199 --> 01:15:58.479 And to me again, the way I use tarot is 1410 01:15:59.359 --> 01:16:02.359 in a meditation way. It's like in a it helps 1411 01:16:02.359 --> 01:16:04.119 my it helps guide my consciousness. 1412 01:16:04.159 --> 01:16:04.560 So if you. 1413 01:16:04.600 --> 01:16:09.640 Understand reality as this frame by frame thing, so it's 1414 01:16:09.680 --> 01:16:12.520 like a movie, right, a movie. A video doesn't happen 1415 01:16:13.359 --> 01:16:17.239 like in the best. The video is like a lot 1416 01:16:17.239 --> 01:16:19.399 of images, like what you're seeing right now. It's a 1417 01:16:19.439 --> 01:16:21.920 lot of images put in on top of each other. 1418 01:16:22.880 --> 01:16:25.479 So when you understand that, you can understand the terror 1419 01:16:25.640 --> 01:16:27.760 as the images that are going to pop up. So 1420 01:16:27.840 --> 01:16:30.479 if right now you need let's say the Emperor, Okay, 1421 01:16:30.520 --> 01:16:33.000 you bring up the Emperor, all the archetype, all everything 1422 01:16:33.039 --> 01:16:35.520 that comes with it. Even if you want to relate 1423 01:16:35.520 --> 01:16:37.439 it to Kababa, the path and so on, and you 1424 01:16:37.520 --> 01:16:40.359 use it so in that way, when I'm relating the 1425 01:16:40.880 --> 01:16:45.600 like I said that to all the royalty cards, then 1426 01:16:45.640 --> 01:16:47.560 you can use them in a very interesting way because 1427 01:16:47.560 --> 01:16:50.760 they are going to be like you're unconscious. So it's 1428 01:16:50.760 --> 01:16:54.239 the deepest of the programming. It's like the program that 1429 01:16:54.279 --> 01:16:56.960 you're not even aware it's running in the background. 1430 01:16:57.239 --> 01:16:57.439 You know. 1431 01:16:57.479 --> 01:16:59.439 The subconscious is the programs that are running in the 1432 01:16:59.479 --> 01:17:02.119 background conscious, all the programs that you're running right now. 1433 01:17:02.520 --> 01:17:05.279 The unconscious like all the deep, deep, deep programs like 1434 01:17:05.319 --> 01:17:08.640 coming from if you want to go that way, past 1435 01:17:08.680 --> 01:17:10.880 lives whatever it is, right, but all the deep stuff. 1436 01:17:11.399 --> 01:17:13.880 So for you to go there, you need the correct keys, 1437 01:17:13.880 --> 01:17:17.399 the correct archetypes, and it's going to be very interesting 1438 01:17:17.520 --> 01:17:19.720 the more you start to play around, you know, if 1439 01:17:19.760 --> 01:17:23.680 you want to use specific myths for that, like for example, 1440 01:17:23.720 --> 01:17:26.560 the territory like using is the mythic one with the 1441 01:17:26.560 --> 01:17:29.199 Greek stories, and you can look at the royalty cards 1442 01:17:29.199 --> 01:17:32.079 and the story they're portraying there and play around with them, 1443 01:17:32.079 --> 01:17:34.840 you know, change the stories, see how they would relate 1444 01:17:34.920 --> 01:17:38.880 to your life. It's a very interesting practice. 1445 01:17:38.479 --> 01:17:38.760 To do. 1446 01:17:40.960 --> 01:17:43.239 Something you said, Matt was super interesting to me was 1447 01:17:43.279 --> 01:17:46.800 that death is a place that you it's sort of 1448 01:17:46.840 --> 01:17:49.560 the place you see when you're going up. And I agree, 1449 01:17:49.640 --> 01:17:52.399 I totally agree with that. It is kind of like 1450 01:17:52.479 --> 01:17:55.319 it sort of reveals itself to you the higher you 1451 01:17:55.359 --> 01:17:58.359 go on the tree, I think. And so maybe that 1452 01:17:58.439 --> 01:18:01.000 is also to go back to. Next said is maybe 1453 01:18:01.000 --> 01:18:03.680 that's why it's also not as interesting for people to 1454 01:18:03.760 --> 01:18:07.720 approach just intellectually, just through that path of study, simply 1455 01:18:07.800 --> 01:18:11.079 because it doesn't immediately reveal itself. It's very in and out. 1456 01:18:11.119 --> 01:18:14.319 It's very hidden. So but not because of its nature 1457 01:18:14.439 --> 01:18:18.439 being esoteric, even just because of its empty nature. 1458 01:18:18.479 --> 01:18:23.119 You could say, somebody did that. 1459 01:18:23.119 --> 01:18:26.159 There was a nice comment here I wanted to address 1460 01:18:26.239 --> 01:18:32.039 if it's possible for so someone commented, is it be fine? 1461 01:18:32.600 --> 01:18:35.640 What the car and bah and allah going on here? 1462 01:18:35.960 --> 01:18:40.680 So indeed, very interesting question, like what even the name means? 1463 01:18:40.760 --> 01:18:44.520 Right about to go to Jewish mysticism, they'll say, you know, 1464 01:18:44.600 --> 01:18:49.039 it's like was it revelation or whatever. It's like they're 1465 01:18:49.079 --> 01:18:51.359 they're going to give you some idea, right, Okay, that's good, 1466 01:18:51.520 --> 01:18:53.279 you can go with that, but it can break it 1467 01:18:53.319 --> 01:18:55.399 down like this person beautifully did you can break it 1468 01:18:55.439 --> 01:18:56.079 down the car. 1469 01:18:57.479 --> 01:19:00.039 And the lah was up. 1470 01:19:01.720 --> 01:19:02.399 Just real quick. 1471 01:19:02.720 --> 01:19:04.840 The funny thing is is a person who commented that 1472 01:19:04.920 --> 01:19:06.840 may not have even have like meant that literal. 1473 01:19:07.000 --> 01:19:10.000 This guy says crazy shit all the time and normally talk. 1474 01:19:10.000 --> 01:19:11.119 Yeah, it's good, it's good. 1475 01:19:11.199 --> 01:19:13.640 So you might actually be answering your question. He really 1476 01:19:13.720 --> 01:19:15.680 didn't actually mean, but go ahead. 1477 01:19:16.840 --> 01:19:20.800 It is interesting thought to do, like breaking down the words. Right, 1478 01:19:20.920 --> 01:19:23.000 So if you break down kabala in that way, ka 1479 01:19:23.600 --> 01:19:25.880 and law in this case, he went, but I'm going 1480 01:19:25.920 --> 01:19:27.600 to stop at the law, which is the word that 1481 01:19:27.640 --> 01:19:30.600 is actually there, you can see how it was being 1482 01:19:30.760 --> 01:19:33.680 used already in Egypt. Again you have the ka, which 1483 01:19:33.720 --> 01:19:37.760 is they had the sole partitioned in nine parts. So 1484 01:19:37.800 --> 01:19:39.560 the co was one of the parts, the Ba was 1485 01:19:39.600 --> 01:19:43.760 another part. The cow would be like the physical body, okay, 1486 01:19:44.159 --> 01:19:47.640 the bab would be the digital body, the astrobody. And 1487 01:19:47.640 --> 01:19:50.600 then you can say the law is the elevation again 1488 01:19:50.640 --> 01:19:54.039 the all alchemy or the L. You know the L 1489 01:19:54.239 --> 01:19:57.760 the way you have the in the Jewish textans one, 1490 01:19:58.159 --> 01:20:00.640 you have this elevation. So again it's the ele of 1491 01:20:01.279 --> 01:20:03.479 both the bodies. So in this way you can see 1492 01:20:03.520 --> 01:20:06.520 kabala as the technology of the body of the soul. 1493 01:20:07.039 --> 01:20:10.279 So that's a very cabalistic thing to do, like breaking 1494 01:20:10.279 --> 01:20:14.439 down words, you know, getting your name for example, breaking 1495 01:20:14.439 --> 01:20:16.640 it down, changing stuff around. That's a very interesting thing 1496 01:20:16.640 --> 01:20:20.560 to do. I wouldn't relate it necessarily with one of 1497 01:20:20.600 --> 01:20:22.239 the spears we were talking about here, but it would 1498 01:20:22.279 --> 01:20:25.560 be I guess it's a very hard thing to do. 1499 01:20:26.479 --> 01:20:29.319 Maybe maybe that because you're seeing what's not there, So 1500 01:20:30.079 --> 01:20:33.039 in a way it's a very it's a very bad practice, 1501 01:20:33.079 --> 01:20:35.960 like you're going to not only what's being shown to you, 1502 01:20:36.520 --> 01:20:38.920 like the name, the pure name, but what's hidden there, 1503 01:20:39.079 --> 01:20:41.640 Like again, what's what you're not seeing from the shadow 1504 01:20:41.680 --> 01:20:44.640 of its name. So that's a even if it was 1505 01:20:44.680 --> 01:20:47.439 a comedy comment, it was a very interesting practice. 1506 01:20:48.439 --> 01:20:50.680 Well, I even know like people that especially back at 1507 01:20:50.680 --> 01:20:52.640 the day, and I've even you know, people that were 1508 01:20:52.640 --> 01:20:56.000 associated with the Oto back in the day, they were 1509 01:20:56.039 --> 01:21:02.359 into kabbala. Also you'd see times they were influenced by 1510 01:21:03.279 --> 01:21:06.680 kind of Islamic stuff, and I always do wonder if 1511 01:21:06.680 --> 01:21:10.279 they're you know, I don't know, I wonder about a 1512 01:21:10.319 --> 01:21:12.760 lot of older alchemists or a lot of older alchemy 1513 01:21:12.840 --> 01:21:16.279 actually kind of sprung up over in those areas to 1514 01:21:16.279 --> 01:21:19.520 begin with, or at least I think in paper, you know, 1515 01:21:19.720 --> 01:21:23.600 written written documents stuff, So I do you don't wonder about, 1516 01:21:23.920 --> 01:21:26.319 you know, the whole like if that stuff even does 1517 01:21:26.479 --> 01:21:27.840 kind of fit into Kabbala. 1518 01:21:28.199 --> 01:21:29.520 People don't even realize. 1519 01:21:31.199 --> 01:21:33.399 Yeah, go mungeon. 1520 01:21:33.479 --> 01:21:36.640 Sorry no, sorry, I apologize, Matt, Please please answer. Yeah. 1521 01:21:36.640 --> 01:21:39.680 I was just gonna say, personally, I see as everyone 1522 01:21:40.039 --> 01:21:42.359 has their own part in the tree. So it's not like, 1523 01:21:42.439 --> 01:21:44.520 you know, the the Jays are gonna say no, it's 1524 01:21:44.560 --> 01:21:47.439 our thing. It's our things like k bros can be 1525 01:21:47.560 --> 01:21:50.359 part your thing. But there's definitely other people talking about 1526 01:21:50.399 --> 01:21:52.239 it as well in other ways, Like I was saying 1527 01:21:52.239 --> 01:21:56.319 that the Ying Yang and one so sure, like the 1528 01:21:56.359 --> 01:21:58.520 Sufi stuff. Also, there's a lot of stuff there, Like 1529 01:21:58.520 --> 01:22:00.880 everyone was kind of talking about it. There's no way 1530 01:22:01.079 --> 01:22:02.840 not to talk about it. If you understand it is 1531 01:22:02.880 --> 01:22:05.960 the thing creating the simulator itself again, the technology of 1532 01:22:05.960 --> 01:22:09.159 our own beings. There's no such way as not talking 1533 01:22:09.199 --> 01:22:14.159 about it. You're always talking about you can I unsee. 1534 01:22:17.960 --> 01:22:21.319 So what you said, Matt was so interesting about the 1535 01:22:21.479 --> 01:22:25.560 sort of code dath connection. You could say, so the 1536 01:22:25.680 --> 01:22:27.640 image that I the last one, I'm sorry, Nick, the 1537 01:22:28.079 --> 01:22:32.960 one I just added. He is the image of what 1538 01:22:33.000 --> 01:22:36.119 we would say, quote unquote hod, so that kind of 1539 01:22:36.199 --> 01:22:39.800 like it's knowledge, but it's not quite in fullness because 1540 01:22:39.840 --> 01:22:43.520 he's peaceful. But he actually is the also that one 1541 01:22:43.560 --> 01:22:46.159 that has the ox's face or the bison's head. They're 1542 01:22:46.199 --> 01:22:49.640 the same deity. He's just depicted in one way or 1543 01:22:49.680 --> 01:22:52.920 the other because he's nondual. Can be peaceful, it can 1544 01:22:52.960 --> 01:22:57.239 be wrathful. So and it is interesting his colors because 1545 01:22:57.279 --> 01:23:00.479 his colors can also be said to be very hoodlike. So, 1546 01:23:01.840 --> 01:23:04.920 you know, I just I just think it's it's interesting 1547 01:23:05.199 --> 01:23:08.279 that that you make that connection, because I have too. 1548 01:23:08.760 --> 01:23:12.000 And sometimes it's hard to even discern what the difference 1549 01:23:12.000 --> 01:23:15.439 between like cold like thinking and like crew knowledge death 1550 01:23:15.520 --> 01:23:21.760 thinking is because we're dualistic beings and we tend to 1551 01:23:21.760 --> 01:23:24.159 be discursive and tend to think of things in that 1552 01:23:24.239 --> 01:23:28.439 schizophrenic kind of world, and especially because we do all 1553 01:23:28.479 --> 01:23:31.800 you social media now, and that makes us even you know, 1554 01:23:31.840 --> 01:23:33.840 it fractalizes us even more. 1555 01:23:34.760 --> 01:23:34.880 So. 1556 01:23:36.239 --> 01:23:39.800 I think death is an interesting suffra going forward in 1557 01:23:39.840 --> 01:23:43.680 the future because I think we have we're reforging it, 1558 01:23:43.800 --> 01:23:47.800 or at least, you know, these technocratic forces are reforging 1559 01:23:47.880 --> 01:23:50.039 it in a way, so we'll have to see how 1560 01:23:51.199 --> 01:23:53.079 what we'll see be able us to see what happens 1561 01:23:53.199 --> 01:23:55.199 in the future. But I also like that you said, 1562 01:23:55.239 --> 01:23:57.680 Matt about the aonic idea, and I think, like Nick 1563 01:23:57.720 --> 01:24:00.920 and I have talked about this many times before, like, yeah, 1564 01:24:01.079 --> 01:24:03.600 there is an ionic idea, and it is shifting into 1565 01:24:03.640 --> 01:24:07.159 that kind of fourth world air quality age of if 1566 01:24:07.159 --> 01:24:08.840 you want to call it Age of Aquarius, I use 1567 01:24:08.840 --> 01:24:12.479 a different framing, but you know, it's a it's interesting 1568 01:24:12.880 --> 01:24:15.479 to think about Cabala in that context, like that we're 1569 01:24:15.520 --> 01:24:19.119 doing this even right now, like in this exact moment, 1570 01:24:19.199 --> 01:24:21.520 like people are listening to us. The three of us 1571 01:24:21.560 --> 01:24:25.319 have a conversation about things that are quote unquote oh 1572 01:24:25.399 --> 01:24:29.399 called evil, like you know, the Jays did it to 1573 01:24:29.680 --> 01:24:32.720 mind control humanity, like all of those things. It's like 1574 01:24:33.000 --> 01:24:36.439 we're it's like breaking the klipa almost even if people 1575 01:24:36.479 --> 01:24:38.960 think it's bullshit, it's okay. But I just think it's 1576 01:24:39.000 --> 01:24:39.640 really interesting. 1577 01:24:43.399 --> 01:24:45.760 Indeed, and may I ask Jan, what's the color of 1578 01:24:45.760 --> 01:24:50.479 your shirt right now? Is it by any gent it's black? 1579 01:24:50.680 --> 01:24:53.840 It's black, of course if it was if it was white, 1580 01:24:53.840 --> 01:24:55.600 it would be interesting because it would be the three 1581 01:24:56.039 --> 01:24:58.560 the three things, you know, the black, the white, and 1582 01:24:58.600 --> 01:25:00.439 the strips wearing white. 1583 01:25:00.479 --> 01:25:05.680 I'm wearing white shorts, so they're kind of yeah, they're 1584 01:25:05.720 --> 01:25:07.479 they're you know, Heather Gray. 1585 01:25:08.159 --> 01:25:11.039 That nice. All right. 1586 01:25:13.680 --> 01:25:15.840 Again, I really don't have much to say on this 1587 01:25:16.159 --> 01:25:19.119 sphere unfortunately. I mean, I don't know if you guys 1588 01:25:19.159 --> 01:25:20.960 have any more. We could just wrap it up there 1589 01:25:21.000 --> 01:25:23.399 and actually keep it at a normal episode. 1590 01:25:23.119 --> 01:25:25.239 Length, it's up to you. 1591 01:25:26.479 --> 01:25:28.960 I'll add one more thing really quick. So the ca 1592 01:25:29.319 --> 01:25:32.000 ah law I thought was really interesting from like a 1593 01:25:32.039 --> 01:25:35.640 tonric aonic perspective, because you could say like kaw as 1594 01:25:35.680 --> 01:25:39.279 in Collie or Colla as in time. You could say 1595 01:25:39.359 --> 01:25:43.399 ba as in Birava, or the ferocious nature of things 1596 01:25:43.439 --> 01:25:46.720 as they appear. And you could also say law as 1597 01:25:46.760 --> 01:25:50.239 in Laalita, as in love is the cause of knowledge. 1598 01:25:50.560 --> 01:25:55.199 So some really interesting I think correlations. Maybe maybe just 1599 01:25:55.319 --> 01:25:59.720 interesting parallels syncretisms. Who knows. You have to discern for yourself. 1600 01:26:02.000 --> 01:26:08.520 Yeah, yeah, very interesting. I'd say maybe about that. There's 1601 01:26:08.560 --> 01:26:12.239 nothing exactly here more that I wanted to bring that least, 1602 01:26:12.359 --> 01:26:14.640 nothing comes to mind. There was a nice comment here 1603 01:26:14.640 --> 01:26:19.720 about William saying like magic quote unquote being bringing imagination 1604 01:26:19.800 --> 01:26:24.439 into reality. Yeah, the way the way I understand the soul. 1605 01:26:24.520 --> 01:26:26.960 So again when we talk, so I understand it as 1606 01:26:27.359 --> 01:26:30.760 imagination itself. So like my example of reality being this 1607 01:26:30.880 --> 01:26:34.239 frame by frame thing. So the soul is the one 1608 01:26:34.600 --> 01:26:36.680 pulling the frame. It's like saying, Okay, what do I 1609 01:26:36.680 --> 01:26:40.079 imagine right now? I'll imagine myself being rich whatever, Okay, boom, 1610 01:26:40.079 --> 01:26:44.000 that's what happens. I imagine myself being sick. Okay, that's what's. 1611 01:26:43.840 --> 01:26:44.319 Going to happen. 1612 01:26:44.640 --> 01:26:47.319 And it feels like more and more with the years, 1613 01:26:47.399 --> 01:26:50.239 things are going on faster. So the more like I 1614 01:26:50.239 --> 01:26:52.159 don't know if it's personally because I know I'm doing 1615 01:26:52.199 --> 01:26:54.079 all this practices or whatever, but I see also with 1616 01:26:54.159 --> 01:26:57.560 other people close to me that don't necessary practice this 1617 01:26:57.640 --> 01:26:58.439 kind of stuff. 1618 01:26:58.600 --> 01:26:59.840 And that's what's happening. 1619 01:27:00.159 --> 01:27:04.720 The more the clearer the imagination again shouldn't be a klefa, 1620 01:27:04.720 --> 01:27:07.359 I should be pure with light. The clearer it is, 1621 01:27:07.439 --> 01:27:10.119 the faster it comes, and the better it comes because 1622 01:27:10.479 --> 01:27:13.319 it is really down like to me, my understanding kabala, 1623 01:27:13.720 --> 01:27:16.000 it's like the understanding of your soul, the understanding of 1624 01:27:16.039 --> 01:27:20.760 how can you interact with the simulator which is like 1625 01:27:20.800 --> 01:27:22.680 your own body. Your own body is the thing you're 1626 01:27:22.720 --> 01:27:28.079 simulating through it. You are simulating everything, you are experiencing life. 1627 01:27:28.800 --> 01:27:31.560 So the American that's say how it works, you know 1628 01:27:31.640 --> 01:27:35.039 the better. And I talked about this in Jin's episode 1629 01:27:35.079 --> 01:27:36.880 as well. But I always try to bring it on 1630 01:27:37.439 --> 01:27:42.159 because you know, maybe you may be feared, You may 1631 01:27:42.239 --> 01:27:44.479 have fear even though of the code or whatever, or 1632 01:27:44.520 --> 01:27:46.439 you may feel like, oh, it's too much to study 1633 01:27:46.520 --> 01:27:49.359 whatever it is, right, but if you at least try 1634 01:27:49.600 --> 01:27:52.319 to do something, whatever it is, but do it well, 1635 01:27:52.920 --> 01:27:55.760 you're gonna be touching Kabbala or you know, higher spheres 1636 01:27:55.800 --> 01:27:57.720 and one just you know, try your best to do 1637 01:27:58.000 --> 01:28:00.279 one thing and that's it. You don't need to if 1638 01:28:00.319 --> 01:28:02.039 you don't want to study, you know all the crazy 1639 01:28:02.039 --> 01:28:05.399 occult things, go to you know, strange places and so 1640 01:28:05.479 --> 01:28:07.560 on to meet some strange people. It doesn't matter. Just 1641 01:28:07.600 --> 01:28:10.000 go and do one thing the best you can because 1642 01:28:10.000 --> 01:28:12.640 you're gonna reach those levels. It doesn't matter. You know, 1643 01:28:12.720 --> 01:28:15.800 eventually you're gonna figure out. You're gonna have to work. Also, 1644 01:28:15.920 --> 01:28:19.319 this quote unquote or quote that you have to ask 1645 01:28:19.880 --> 01:28:22.920 It is a quote to whom really like, maybe to you, 1646 01:28:22.960 --> 01:28:25.359 but to people studying. It's not a code at all. 1647 01:28:25.760 --> 01:28:28.239 It's very clear. Actually that's a practice to make it clear. 1648 01:28:28.680 --> 01:28:31.000 But if you take anything to study in what I mean, 1649 01:28:31.039 --> 01:28:33.720 anything literally, anything like it could be you know, playing 1650 01:28:33.760 --> 01:28:37.359 a sport, you know, cooking whatever it is, working on something. 1651 01:28:37.680 --> 01:28:40.920 But when you do it intentionally and in the present moment, 1652 01:28:41.640 --> 01:28:45.119 you are there, you are you know, understanding how reality works. 1653 01:28:45.279 --> 01:28:48.159 That's the main practice I'll say. 1654 01:28:49.960 --> 01:28:54.479 Yeah, exactly, don't be intimidated by wisdom science. Embrace wisdom 1655 01:28:54.520 --> 01:28:57.680 science because it's really important and it will deal call 1656 01:28:57.800 --> 01:29:02.079 things right before your eyes. And also you're not going 1657 01:29:02.079 --> 01:29:05.399 to understand it right away. That's okay, that's totally normal, 1658 01:29:06.840 --> 01:29:10.439 but you should try because like Matt said, balls and everything, 1659 01:29:10.680 --> 01:29:13.319 like Nick said, so you can't really see it's both 1660 01:29:13.319 --> 01:29:16.199 it works both ways. It's in everything, and you can 1661 01:29:16.279 --> 01:29:19.720 understand at least, so what we can sort of perceive 1662 01:29:19.800 --> 01:29:22.560 on this level of consciousness, you can you can relate 1663 01:29:22.600 --> 01:29:25.760 them all to the tree. And so it's a really 1664 01:29:25.840 --> 01:29:29.000 useful tool. It's a really useful tool for many things, 1665 01:29:29.039 --> 01:29:31.199 not just magic, but maybe magic's also in your mind. 1666 01:29:31.239 --> 01:29:34.319 So maybe just even the act of thinking is in 1667 01:29:34.359 --> 01:29:35.479 a way magical. 1668 01:29:36.960 --> 01:29:38.640 Yeah, I mean, if you want to make money, you know, 1669 01:29:38.680 --> 01:29:40.640 everyone uses kabalae. If you want to be famous, everyone 1670 01:29:40.720 --> 01:29:43.199 uses kabata, and if you want to be healthy, it's 1671 01:29:43.239 --> 01:29:45.199 whatever money you got to use it. Even if you 1672 01:29:45.199 --> 01:29:47.560 don't understand what you're doing. You know, it's the same buttons. 1673 01:29:47.720 --> 01:29:50.319 So either you use them without understanding, or you understand 1674 01:29:50.319 --> 01:29:54.039 them and then you use it easier easily, you know, 1675 01:29:54.640 --> 01:29:57.560 so you cannot and see it after you start seeing it. 1676 01:29:57.600 --> 01:30:02.399 And if your system maybe doesn't relate everything in a way, 1677 01:30:02.439 --> 01:30:05.000 also that shows maybe that you should adapt your system 1678 01:30:05.079 --> 01:30:07.119 or you should enhance it. I would say that's one 1679 01:30:07.119 --> 01:30:09.199 thing as well. Again, don't be fixed. You know, we 1680 01:30:09.199 --> 01:30:12.439 we've been talking about this in this podcast a lot. 1681 01:30:12.640 --> 01:30:14.319 Don't be fixing the ideas. Try it out. 1682 01:30:14.359 --> 01:30:17.800 Even if you don't necessarily agree fatures, why don't you agree? 1683 01:30:17.840 --> 01:30:18.000 You know? 1684 01:30:18.279 --> 01:30:20.439 See do you really not agree? Or is it like 1685 01:30:20.479 --> 01:30:23.880 a paradigm from before and break all those glipphas. 1686 01:30:27.199 --> 01:30:31.000 It's a logic proof, Starry Nick, Oh, go go. It's 1687 01:30:31.039 --> 01:30:32.600 a like proof because that's how you have to think 1688 01:30:32.600 --> 01:30:34.840 of kabala. It's a logic proof. And like Matt said, 1689 01:30:34.880 --> 01:30:37.279 like one of the most important things actually is that 1690 01:30:37.359 --> 01:30:39.439 you should be able to test your logic, your kabbala 1691 01:30:39.520 --> 01:30:42.920 stary logic against how to work with the tree and 1692 01:30:42.960 --> 01:30:46.720 how other people understand it. So I think that's a 1693 01:30:46.800 --> 01:30:49.680 really useful maybe the most useful too. I wish someone 1694 01:30:49.720 --> 01:30:51.520 who I wish when I was twenty two. I know, 1695 01:30:51.600 --> 01:30:53.560 mass twenty three. I'm going to use the magic number, 1696 01:30:53.640 --> 01:30:55.239 but I wish when I was twenty two someone had 1697 01:30:55.279 --> 01:30:55.680 told me that. 1698 01:30:56.279 --> 01:31:00.399 So, yeah, like, well, William's even saying and you cannot 1699 01:31:00.399 --> 01:31:01.600 speak without prophesizing. 1700 01:31:02.800 --> 01:31:04.960 I think a lot of that's what politicians are doing. 1701 01:31:06.680 --> 01:31:08.760 What they want. They just say shit to get us 1702 01:31:08.760 --> 01:31:10.760 to do it or whatever. They use us. 1703 01:31:11.760 --> 01:31:13.199 Yeah, most definitely. 1704 01:31:13.239 --> 01:31:15.720 That's how Like they someone said, take like, you know, 1705 01:31:15.760 --> 01:31:18.119 imagination or whatever in your thoughts and put it into 1706 01:31:18.279 --> 01:31:21.119 you know, turn it into form. I think that's exactly 1707 01:31:21.119 --> 01:31:24.520 what politicians use us to do. You know, their imagination 1708 01:31:24.600 --> 01:31:27.680 comes out verbally, and then we react certain ways to 1709 01:31:27.720 --> 01:31:30.640 give them the opportunity to do what they want or 1710 01:31:30.680 --> 01:31:36.039 create what they want. I guess I think, unless you 1711 01:31:36.039 --> 01:31:38.760 guys are good, I think we can wrap it up here. 1712 01:31:39.119 --> 01:31:43.359 It's an hour and a half perfect. We purposely picked 1713 01:31:43.399 --> 01:31:45.000 eight to eight today because of the number. 1714 01:31:45.199 --> 01:31:45.560 I don't know. 1715 01:31:45.680 --> 01:31:47.039 I don't know when the next one will be and what. 1716 01:31:47.119 --> 01:31:48.560 Plus I have to make sure it works the mat 1717 01:31:48.560 --> 01:31:51.079 as well. But I'm assuming with the next few weeks 1718 01:31:51.159 --> 01:31:53.319 or some shit, we'll be able to do the next 1719 01:31:53.319 --> 01:31:55.119 two spheres. Maybe we'll keep it like that, just do 1720 01:31:55.239 --> 01:31:56.880 two spheres at a time, or we'll see what we 1721 01:31:57.000 --> 01:32:01.239 see what happens. Thank you again, Matt, I really appreciate it. 1722 01:32:02.720 --> 01:32:05.600 Before I wrap it up, do you want to mention 1723 01:32:05.680 --> 01:32:09.039 tonight we are going live again with the Awakened podcast. 1724 01:32:09.359 --> 01:32:10.079 Come check that out. 1725 01:32:10.159 --> 01:32:12.199 There will be a bunch of the rejects with us 1726 01:32:12.199 --> 01:32:15.279 tonight and then tomorrow got a real packed day for lives. 1727 01:32:17.039 --> 01:32:18.720 Be interesting to see who still shows up on the 1728 01:32:18.800 --> 01:32:22.640 last one in the morning. Fingers crossed. I've gotten the 1729 01:32:22.680 --> 01:32:24.640 OK from this guy. I've already sent him the link. 1730 01:32:24.640 --> 01:32:27.439 He knows I made it live and everything. Ashton Forbes 1731 01:32:27.479 --> 01:32:30.520 supposed to be coming on the Occult Reject tomorrow eleven 1732 01:32:30.520 --> 01:32:32.920 o'clock in the morning. We got that going on, and 1733 01:32:32.960 --> 01:32:36.479 then we do have Thomas Sheridan, another another. 1734 01:32:36.239 --> 01:32:38.000 Bang of a guest. We had him on one other time. 1735 01:32:38.079 --> 01:32:41.119 Wilson, He's coming on and talk about druid mounds and 1736 01:32:41.159 --> 01:32:43.920 then at night the occult rejects themselves will be covering 1737 01:32:43.960 --> 01:32:48.520 hands symbolism, So definitely check that out. Uh but yeah, 1738 01:32:49.439 --> 01:32:51.479 keep out Q and eye out for that live tomorrow morning. 1739 01:32:51.520 --> 01:32:54.119 Should be impressive if he shows up, if things crossed, 1740 01:32:54.800 --> 01:32:57.079 but uh yeah, Jin, please let everybody know where they 1741 01:32:57.079 --> 01:32:59.199 can find all your amazing stuff and what you're doing tonight. 1742 01:32:59.560 --> 01:33:03.560 Please thank you so much, Nick, I really appreciate it. Obviously, 1743 01:33:03.640 --> 01:33:07.199 doing tak Kabala is perennial discussion. I can have it 1744 01:33:07.239 --> 01:33:11.039 every day. And thank you obviously to brother Matt. And 1745 01:33:11.800 --> 01:33:15.960 you know, Matt is incredible sort of. I don't want to. 1746 01:33:16.479 --> 01:33:18.399 I don't want to categorize him or label him, but 1747 01:33:18.520 --> 01:33:21.680 he he's a incredible magician in his own way and 1748 01:33:21.920 --> 01:33:24.840 in his own right. So everybody should follow Matt. But 1749 01:33:24.920 --> 01:33:27.640 if you're interested in following me and hearing it Matt 1750 01:33:27.680 --> 01:33:29.760 and I in dialogue, you can do that at at 1751 01:33:29.800 --> 01:33:32.439 Wikongrie Born to w uk O and g Reborn or 1752 01:33:32.479 --> 01:33:35.119 at Threshold Saints, which is both the show account on 1753 01:33:35.760 --> 01:33:41.560 ex Twitter and also IG. Matt's episode has dropped, Ashley's 1754 01:33:42.000 --> 01:33:45.319 was just earlier this week. Thing change repeat and Toby 1755 01:33:45.399 --> 01:33:50.760 Chupples dropping tomorrow the ninth, and then tonight, Yes we 1756 01:33:50.800 --> 01:33:56.119 have Friday Night Gnostic Mass. I can't remember what I 1757 01:33:56.159 --> 01:33:58.600 titled to eat Drink Nectar Meat. I think as a 1758 01:33:58.600 --> 01:34:02.000 little play for un wrath full Offerings. Takes a light. 1759 01:34:02.159 --> 01:34:03.840 Yeah, it was gonna say that almost kind of makes 1760 01:34:03.840 --> 01:34:04.800 me think of it's a light. 1761 01:34:04.920 --> 01:34:08.560 Yeah, I mean there's there's definitely an inter relationship. I 1762 01:34:08.640 --> 01:34:10.880 mean that's what that's what I mean, that's what nectar 1763 01:34:11.079 --> 01:34:13.359 is like, I mean, it's it's it's that stuff. So 1764 01:34:14.359 --> 01:34:17.159 I mean there's a relationship. So yeah, it's just a 1765 01:34:17.159 --> 01:34:21.199 wordplay on the Angley film. But I think it'll be fun. 1766 01:34:21.239 --> 01:34:24.119 It's gonna be a free range. We're we're gonna continue etherpunk, 1767 01:34:24.199 --> 01:34:27.439 but we're I wasn't quite ready with all the scheduling 1768 01:34:27.479 --> 01:34:31.000 and all the bookings I have, so we're just gonna 1769 01:34:31.039 --> 01:34:35.800 We're gonna hear Solar, Matt, Monty, Joseph, Mike and the 1770 01:34:35.840 --> 01:34:38.439 Branch and they're just gonna go hard and I'm gonna 1771 01:34:38.560 --> 01:34:41.640 moderate it the best I can, like I always do. 1772 01:34:41.840 --> 01:34:44.399 And thank you guys so much, really really appreciate it. 1773 01:34:44.520 --> 01:34:46.560 Thank you to the chat. I couldn't even keep up 1774 01:34:46.800 --> 01:34:48.479 because I was trying to think of things and like 1775 01:34:48.600 --> 01:34:51.359 listen and it was a lot going on. But thank 1776 01:34:51.359 --> 01:34:53.520 you guys so much. Really appreciate it, Matt, and really 1777 01:34:53.520 --> 01:34:54.159 appreciate Nick. 1778 01:34:54.199 --> 01:34:54.520 Thank you. 1779 01:34:55.039 --> 01:34:57.800 Oh yeah, no, of course, thank you. I always appreciate 1780 01:34:57.800 --> 01:34:58.520 when you can make it on. 1781 01:34:58.600 --> 01:35:01.800 With this man. And like I said, I could talk 1782 01:35:01.840 --> 01:35:03.000 abala with you all day. 1783 01:35:03.199 --> 01:35:06.039 So I mean then there's going to be you know 1784 01:35:06.039 --> 01:35:08.479 how many more spheres we're gonna be talking about, so 1785 01:35:08.520 --> 01:35:12.399 it should definitely be interesting and fun. Matt, please let 1786 01:35:12.479 --> 01:35:14.880 everybody know well, first off, again, thank you so much 1787 01:35:14.920 --> 01:35:15.399 for coming on. 1788 01:35:15.439 --> 01:35:15.640 Man. 1789 01:35:16.039 --> 01:35:19.960 You're definitely gonna bring really awesome part to this series. 1790 01:35:20.000 --> 01:35:23.600 I appreciate you doing this. Can you please let everybody 1791 01:35:23.600 --> 01:35:25.760 know where they can find all your stuff, and when 1792 01:35:25.760 --> 01:35:28.520 you're done, please send me a links that I can 1793 01:35:28.520 --> 01:35:29.640 share and put in the show notes. 1794 01:35:29.640 --> 01:35:30.399 I forgot to add. 1795 01:35:30.239 --> 01:35:33.079 Them, yes, for sure. 1796 01:35:33.159 --> 01:35:35.359 So first of all, thank you obviously for calling up, 1797 01:35:35.439 --> 01:35:38.000 and thanks Gin for the bridge. So it's a good 1798 01:35:38.039 --> 01:35:40.479 time to talk about those things which I love the most, 1799 01:35:40.520 --> 01:35:43.319 so i'd say right now, and yeah, I mean it 1800 01:35:43.399 --> 01:35:45.560 was a great episode. I'm I'm glad you can do 1801 01:35:45.600 --> 01:35:48.159 this more. I'm at Mora. You can find me on 1802 01:35:48.479 --> 01:35:52.720 x Instagram, YouTube always at Matt Mora nineteen. I just 1803 01:35:52.760 --> 01:35:55.800 sent a comment in the YouTube chat. You can always 1804 01:35:55.840 --> 01:35:59.119 also go to my website. It's kabala dot com. That's 1805 01:35:59.279 --> 01:36:03.960 kaa b a h l a h dot com. 1806 01:36:03.960 --> 01:36:07.199 Sorry, key, k A A b A l a h 1807 01:36:07.319 --> 01:36:08.079 dot com. 1808 01:36:08.399 --> 01:36:10.399 Very simple. I send it in the chat as well. 1809 01:36:10.439 --> 01:36:12.560 It's a lot of like small apps in there, things 1810 01:36:12.640 --> 01:36:15.720 and that you can do. Most importantly, you know again, 1811 01:36:15.880 --> 01:36:17.479 if you like this kind of content, make sure to 1812 01:36:17.479 --> 01:36:20.359 follow us, see us, listeners to us. But also to 1813 01:36:20.439 --> 01:36:23.119 do your own work. That's what you're here to do, 1814 01:36:23.199 --> 01:36:26.800 you know, Yeah, your your own work. So yeah, thanks 1815 01:36:26.800 --> 01:36:30.560 about everyone in the comments. You are great, very nice. 1816 01:36:30.560 --> 01:36:32.640 It also couldn't keep up all the time here, but yeah, 1817 01:36:32.680 --> 01:36:35.800 sell some good stuff and it doesn't happen without you 1818 01:36:35.800 --> 01:36:38.239 guys in the chat, right, It's it's all a synthesis 1819 01:36:38.479 --> 01:36:38.960 of everyone. 1820 01:36:39.720 --> 01:36:41.760 So thanks a lot, Oh, thank you. 1821 01:36:41.840 --> 01:36:43.319 And I think you know a really good way. And 1822 01:36:43.319 --> 01:36:45.439 not to get cheesy with it, you know you said, uh, 1823 01:36:45.600 --> 01:36:47.760 you got to do your own work. I really think 1824 01:36:47.800 --> 01:36:50.560 to even end it with dot. When you do your 1825 01:36:50.560 --> 01:36:52.800 own work, you have your own experience. Which in my opinion, 1826 01:36:52.840 --> 01:36:57.159 is what gives you true knowledge. So exactly what he said, 1827 01:36:57.520 --> 01:37:00.479 do your own work and have your own experience. Uh, 1828 01:37:00.760 --> 01:37:03.800 thank you again. I really really appreciate it. Both of 1829 01:37:03.840 --> 01:37:05.760 you is to uh, you know, do this series with 1830 01:37:05.840 --> 01:37:07.960 me and everybody in the chat. I mean, that's what 1831 01:37:08.079 --> 01:37:09.720 was off. There was a lot of great stuff in there. 1832 01:37:09.760 --> 01:37:12.319 There were a lot of just wondering and thinking and 1833 01:37:12.359 --> 01:37:13.720 comments and questions. 1834 01:37:14.079 --> 01:37:17.079 It was awesome. I really appreciate it. I'm glad it's 1835 01:37:17.079 --> 01:37:20.560 going as well. Uh yeah. And that is the That 1836 01:37:20.680 --> 01:37:23.560 is the end of this one and until the next one, everybody. 1837 01:37:23.199 --> 01:37:32.920 Be well, close your eyes, look into the darkness, find 1838 01:37:32.960 --> 01:37:33.960 the blazing star. 1839 01:37:36.159 --> 01:37:43.399 Focus on it would be called the eclipse. Don't feel 1840 01:37:45.319 --> 01:37:46.680 like the show will begin. 1841 01:37:49.560 --> 01:37:50.159 And go. 1842 01:37:52.199 --> 01:37:52.800 You is. 1843 01:38:02.960 --> 01:38:04.439 I don't let any